Eddie George, NFL Draft Recap, And Monday Reading - The Definition Of Cheugy

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take,

Speaker 1 the NFL draft is complete. We recap all of it, grade the grades.
I'm excited because I found a grading of the grades. Oh, really? I did it.
Well, no, it's a Graders F. It's what everyone would,

Speaker 1 if you took all the mock drafts, you know what? Fuck it. We'll just just talk about it in a second.
It's very confusing, but not confusing at all. It also means absolutely nothing.
Correct.

Speaker 1 But that's the best part about grading the drafts. We have that.
We are going to talk some Kentucky Derby. Shout out to our guy Randy Moss.

Speaker 1 We have an awesome, awesome interview with Eddie George. And then we have a great Monday Reading Pack Show for everyone.

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Speaker 1 Fuck you, Kyle Shanahan. Most of us.
Jimmy Garoppolo still hasn't responded to my inquiry. By the way, Jimmy hasn't tweeted since 2019.
But guess what, PFT? Jimmy G got, he did an old vet move.

Speaker 1 So when they drafted Trey Lance, the first story out from the Niners camp, from I think John Lynch reported it, Jimmy G was the first one to text Trey Lance. I imagine he just said, get out.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I imagine that John Lynch probably just had a burner phone and was like, what up, Trey? It's Jimmy G.

Speaker 1 Love to have, like, love to take you under my wing, dude.

Speaker 1 So I'm a little bit concerned about Trey Lance because for all the talk of Kyle Shanahan and whether or not he was going to murder Jimmy Garoppolo, you do have to ask, like, we talk about coach killing quarterbacks, right?

Speaker 1 He might be a quarterback killer.

Speaker 1 If you go back and you look at the quarterbacks that have played under Kyle Shanahan, they put up good stats occasionally, but then after he leaves, it all goes to shit. So he's had Johnny Menzel,

Speaker 1 RG3, that's Rex Grossman III, also the other RG3, John Beck, Matt Schaub, Matt Ryan, who never won another MVP after Kyle Shanahan,

Speaker 1 and then Jimmy Garoppolo. And then he's had like some backup guys that he's able to do.
He's the best backup quarterback coach of all time. Yes.
But

Speaker 1 if you just have his system, you'll be good. You'll be good.
You'll be good. For as long as he's there until he decides that it's time to take you behind the shed.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Also, shout out Chris Sims, who I listened to his show on Friday with our internet uncle slash, what is he to me? Internetfather. He's uncle to me, dad to you.
He's my internet father. Chris Sims,

Speaker 1 it was very clear that Kyle Shanahan and the 49ers did do a good job of telling absolutely no one because I think Chris Sims was like, this is really fucked up.

Speaker 1 I have this guy's initials on my ankle and he didn't tell me that they were taking Trey Lance. Also, the 49ers, I don't, how would you feel about this? You're Trey Lance.

Speaker 1 You get drafted number three overall. You get a text from Jimmy G right away.
You're feeling good. Then in the third round, the 49ers draft a different Trey.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 That would kind of piss me off. Yeah, Trey Power Rankings.
Yeah, you've got to be the only Trey drafted by your team.

Speaker 1 It would just suck if you had to figure out a whole new set of nicknames for yourself when you got into the NFL.

Speaker 1 But I'm sure like they give you those when they haze you yes uh but yeah chris sims actually proved that kyle shanahan was right to not tell him yes because kyle shanahan was like yeah we're best friends we played football together at texas uh we have each other's initials tattooed on our calves and i bet you if i tell him who i'm thinking about drafting he'll probably go on his national media platform and say it which to be fair to chris sims that's kind of his job his job uh and then sure enough that's exactly what happened so it actually proved that kyle shanahan was right to lie to his best friend and everything worked out perfectly.

Speaker 1 But if you're Chris Sims, I guess, you know what? He's going to, he's never going to trust anybody ever again. No, Chris Sims.
You could tell in his voice. The heart is broken into a million pieces.

Speaker 1 You could tell in his voice that it was broken. All right, so draft grades.
So I saw on Twitter someone named Renee, I'm going to butcher this last name, Bugner.

Speaker 1 It's Bugner, Renee Bugner,

Speaker 1 compiled these. So combined 18 evaluations.
So how it worked was essentially just what the 18 grades were, and then combined all of them and gave each team a GPA.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 and it has,

Speaker 1 I'm just reporting it, the Bears at number one, 3.99, which

Speaker 1 seems a little ridiculous. Wait, what was it? 3.199? 3.99.
So, they do actual GPA grades. This is so.
Which actually discussed that?

Speaker 1 Well, he took everyone's grade, and then he put it 18 grades, and then added all of them. Okay.
So, and then the Texans got a 1.88

Speaker 1 grade.

Speaker 1 That was the worst draft. The Texans and the Seahawks should just have gone past fail.
Yeah. Well,

Speaker 1 the Texans,

Speaker 1 I think they kind of admitted that Deshaun Watson's not going to be their quarterback when they drafted Davis Mills. Maybe.

Speaker 1 We still don't know.

Speaker 1 They didn't have a first-round pick because they'd never have first-round picks. Right.
And then they took Davis Mills with their first pick, being like, we need a quarterback now.

Speaker 1 It was such a sad pick, though, because like nobody, I think Davis Mills is a quarterback. He was the number one rated high school prospect when he went to college.
Yes, big time.

Speaker 1 You have to ask, anytime you get somebody at Stanford, you have to ask the question if they're too smart. You don't want, you know, you don't want free thinkers in the NFL.
That was the big one.

Speaker 1 Or if they're Kevin Hogan. Yes.
You have to ask that question. Are you Kevin Hogan? How do you spell your first name?

Speaker 1 Because they all are the same guy. Right, they are.
But in the Texan circumstance, it's like they kind of admitted that they need a new quarterback, but they didn't try to make any moves. Right.

Speaker 1 But I guess they couldn't make any moves. So it was just like the saddest draft pick of all time.
Right, exactly. And

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 that was the range.

Speaker 1 A lot of consensus is saying the Browns, the Chargers, the Jets, the Dolphins, the Patriots all had very good drafts. The Lions, who the

Speaker 1 Dan Campbell, Man Campbell, just took, I think his first three picks were offensive line, defensive line, defensive line. Yep.

Speaker 1 Then cornerback, and then he did take a wide receiver in the fourth, but then followed up with an inside linebacker.

Speaker 1 So he knows he is really going to get the kneecap eaters. Dan Tallica, the behind-the-scenes phone calls that he was making to the players when he was drafting, they were the best.

Speaker 1 Because if you think John Gruden says the word man frequently,

Speaker 1 it is probably at least three or four times more frequent in Dan Campbell's vernacular. Yes.
He just talks to Brisbane, like, man, you know what he says? He goes, man, we're pumped.

Speaker 1 I got to tell you, I am so pumped, man. Are you pumped? I'm pumped, man.
And then his job. Are you pumped? Are you pumped to me? And he goes over and just smashes his desk.

Speaker 1 Those type of guys always have to check everyone else's pump. What's the pump level? Like, hey, are you pumped to be here? Jake, are you pumped right now? You better be pumped.
I'm so excited.

Speaker 1 You don't look... I didn't ask if you were excited.
I asked if you were pumped. Yeah, I'm pumped.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Pumped. Oh, shit.
Oh, all right. We're going to have to change that so people

Speaker 1 hate Jake there for that one. But it's good that you're pumped.
Yeah, he is pumped. Man Campbell, he's pumped, man.
I'm pumped that we're getting you with our pick, man.

Speaker 1 You're just, you're, you're going to pump this franchise up so much. You're rebuilding.

Speaker 1 And my favorite part actually about that entire phone call was when he put the owner of the team on the phone to talk. Yes.
And it's like, what do you say to the owner of the team after they drafted?

Speaker 1 I'm fucking pumped. Thank you.
I'm pumped. My other favorite phone call was when the Cardinals drafted the guy from Tulsa, who I think might be my favorite guy in the draft, Zavan Collins.

Speaker 1 Because the first thing Zavin Collins said to Steve Kaim was,

Speaker 1 I'm going to fucking kill everybody.

Speaker 1 We're going to fucking kill people. We're going to get a ring that a show dog couldn't jump over.
I don't know what that means, but I believe him now. And that dude is a mod.
He's 6'5 ⁇ , 260.

Speaker 1 And besides him, I've noticed that the Cardinals are kind of dedicated to rebuilding their franchise using short kings. Yes.
So Andy Isabella. Well, you, I think

Speaker 1 it makes sense. You draft a quarterback that is short.
It's kind of like how Tom Cruise will never be in a film with anyone taller than him. You can't have people taller than Kyler Murray.

Speaker 1 You need to make him feel like the biggest man in the room. And then Rondale Moore, that's a guy from Purdue, right? Yep.
He's awesome. He's a king that squats like 700 pounds or whatever.

Speaker 1 He is awesome.

Speaker 1 It's partially that you don't want

Speaker 1 Kyler to be shorter than all of his receiving options.

Speaker 1 One or two, if Larry's out there, like Larry Fitzgerald's butt is taller than Kyler Murray.

Speaker 1 But I think it's also Cliff Kingsbury just wanting to look tall for all the pictures that he posts on Instagram. Yes, he's like, look how big I am.
Don't I look at that? Big, strong man.

Speaker 1 The other quote we had was from this guy basically,

Speaker 1 Dan Campbell probably gave him an extension the minute he said this, but New Lions defensive tackle. Levi, I'm going to butcher his last name.
Can you help me, uh, Jake? On

Speaker 1 was

Speaker 1 Zurich

Speaker 1 said, I like fucking people up, I like pushing them back two to three yards and making them feel like shit. That's a man Campbell guy.
That right there is a man, you that alone is the draft.

Speaker 1 I'm seriously rooting with every fiber of my body for the Detroit Lions to be a good football team under Dan Campbell. I want him to succeed because the dude's a content machine.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 He's was that, did I even complain? Onwa Zurike. There we go.
Onwa Zurike.

Speaker 1 The Bears took an offensive lineman, which I, so I'm ready to talk about the love that Ryan Pace is getting. That is over.

Speaker 1 That's too much. Ryan Pace did what he had to do to keep his job at this point.

Speaker 1 So it's like, oh my God, look, he traded up for an offensive lineman in the second round that everyone thought was going to be a first rounder. No shit.
He's got to win now.

Speaker 1 Because if he doesn't win now, he's fired and he doesn't give a fuck about next year's draft. I had a moment of clarity over the weekend regarding my reigning on your parade on the draft on Thursday.

Speaker 1 there's that commercial. It's the Geico Ants commercial.
We have Ants in our house. It's probably not Geico, but you know the one

Speaker 1 you're talking about, yes. And the one lady is like, wow, this is certainly got a big house here.
Hope you can keep it clean.

Speaker 1 That's pretty much what I did to you, where I was like, you got to take quarterback.

Speaker 1 Be a shame if his ribs broke again. It's Tax Guy.
When someone signs like a $100 million contract, you're like, but after agent fees and taxes, that's only like $40. Exactly.

Speaker 1 No, I'm still very, very pumped about Justin Fields.

Speaker 1 I think it tells you more about like bear fandom and the bears franchise that I could absolutely say, without a doubt, the happiest I've been in a very long time was because of a draft pick.

Speaker 1 Like that draft pick had me on cloud nine. I woke up with a smile on my face on Friday.
I'm just like, I almost don't even want to take my precious little Justin Fields doll out of the box.

Speaker 1 Because the idea of what he could be is probably better than what he could be. And he's got swag, dude.
Like that's not.

Speaker 1 Think about it this way. The Bears' swaggiest quarterback since Jim McMahon, who did have undeniable swag, was a guy whose main characteristic was just being a dickhead.
Todd Collins. Jay Color.

Speaker 1 Like, he's, you know, like, and I love Jay, but

Speaker 1 the reason why everyone loves Jay is because he says whatever he wants. Justin Fields has swag.
He is swag. You guys, I feel like it's kind of revisionist history, though.

Speaker 1 When you guys got Khalil Mack, there was a buzz and there was a feeling like,

Speaker 1 we weren't destined for a championship. Remember when he happened in week one?

Speaker 1 That was the best half that I've been happy for. And then Aaron Rodgers shit down my throat.
Khalil Mack was he was the missing piece that was going to put you over the field.

Speaker 1 It's also how different it is. That's really what it comes down to: is like Justin Fields is totally different than anything the Bears have ever had.

Speaker 1 And yeah, partially that is like the fact that the Bears just historically have never had black quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 But like, it's just the running ability, the passing ability, like a big time, a guy who, as of, you know, when we were watching the semifinals, it was a legit debate.

Speaker 1 Like, he might become the number one drafted quarterback. Then Zach Wilson, you know, did a couple fucking baseball throws against Troy, and everyone was like, man, he's the best.

Speaker 1 Well, no, it was the pro day. Zach Wilson's pro day that turned over.
I'm excited. I know it's going to probably fail, but

Speaker 1 that's why you got to enjoy. You know what it reminds me of, Hank? It reminds me of when Wisconsin beat Kentucky in Indianapolis.
I said to you, I'm going to party my face.

Speaker 1 face off because I'll never be back here. You got to enjoy the moments when you have happiness knowing that you'll you'll probably never have that happiness again.
And then they lost the Duke.

Speaker 1 So there you go. It's like a Lamborghini that you have in your garage that you're like afraid to take out.
Yeah, I just want to look at it.

Speaker 1 I just want to fucking look at it. Take pictures of it, have your friends come over, talk about how cool it is.
We have a new nickname alert, by the way.

Speaker 1 This is

Speaker 1 such a sign of Dave Gettelman being like such a stick in the mud, but I kind of love him.

Speaker 1 Dave Gettleman, his entire career as a GM, so obviously Panthers and Giants, never traded in the draft.

Speaker 1 He traded his first two picks back down, so he got more picks in return, one with the Bears, and now his new nickname in the room was Trader Dave. That's it.

Speaker 1 Wait, didn't we just take Trader Dave out of the Splash Mountain Ride? Oh, yeah. Wasn't that the one? Yeah, no, oh, fuck.
You can't say Sailor. Sailor Sam.
No, Sam, Trader Sam. Maybe Trader Sam.

Speaker 1 Trader Sam. But it's,

Speaker 1 you know that you're like, it's basically Dave Gettleman has been doing missionary his entire life. And one time he does reverse cowgirl and be like, Dave Gettelman fucks like a porn star.
Doggy Dave.

Speaker 1 It's crazy. Yeah, so the Giants, they did all kinds of moves.
I'm like the Giants picked up this year. I kind of like their draft.

Speaker 1 Again, none of this matters. No, it doesn't matter at all.

Speaker 1 If you look at the Nate Sudfeld game, the impact that that game is going to have in the NFC Beast for like years to come is actually kind of crazy. That's our Elijah Moore dog-pissing thing.
Yep.

Speaker 1 It's just rolling Nate Sudfeld out on the game in week 17. Repercussions for there will definitely be

Speaker 1 I wish we had Rick Riley still. I wish he was still alive because that would be a great lead-in to a Monday night football game in five years

Speaker 1 against

Speaker 1 the Washington football team and the Giants being like these two franchises

Speaker 1 all because of one player. Did you see what Trevor Lawrence said about Jacksonville? No.

Speaker 1 This is nice because I like Duvall and I like Jags fans because they do stand up for their city because they get shit on a lot. You know, it's always been like, when are you going to move to London?

Speaker 1 You put in a hotel tax. or is that going to keep you around? Are you drafting other shit? They get shit on a lot.
Oh, you get an S C D if you go in their pool.

Speaker 1 Which is confirmed,

Speaker 1 allegedly. My eyes have had herpes ever since.
Yeah. So they were asking Trevor Lawrence, like, do you think that you'll be able to maximize the impact of your brand playing in a small market?

Speaker 1 And he goes, well, actually, if you look at the stats. By area, Jacksonville is one of the largest cities in the United States.

Speaker 1 So he was, and he's like, I don't know what small market you're talking about. We're talking square miles.
I like that. He's like busting out the electoral map.

Speaker 1 You know, when they show it, they're like, look at all this. Look at all this land out here.
That's mine. That's what Trevor Lawrence is doing.
I actually, I like Trevor Lawrence

Speaker 1 in

Speaker 1 Jacksonville. I like him working with Urban Meyer.

Speaker 1 I think, I keep going back and forth, and I think he, I don't like Urban Meyer, but I think Trevor Lawrence is going to be good enough to make Urban Meyer's NFL career appear successful in hindsight.

Speaker 1 The one thing I don't understand with the Jaguars draft is they, I read read a story that they basically were in love with Kadarius Toney, who which makes sense, Florida guy, wide receiver, like super speed sir.

Speaker 1 And Urban Meyer, like a guy Urban Meyer would know how to scheme and

Speaker 1 use well. They loved him, and then the Giants took him at 20, and they took

Speaker 1 Travis Etienne. Yeah, Etienne at 25.
It's like, if you love them so much, running back is the one position you don't take in the first round.

Speaker 1 And I know there's, obviously, people can go back and forth. I think Najee Harris is going to be very good.
I think Etienne's going to be very good. Playoff Lenny's a Super Bowl champion.

Speaker 1 Playoff Lenny's a Super Bowl champion.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know. It just feels like the running back position,

Speaker 1 you can usually find a guy who's 90% the abilities of a first-round guy in the third and fourth. But did he play with Trevor Lawrence in college? That's true.
Good point. Never mind.
You're right.

Speaker 1 You're right.

Speaker 1 It goes back to what we were saying on Friday. Sometimes it's good to just have one of your high draft picks have a buddy waiting for him.
Just have him. He's got a friend waiting for him.

Speaker 1 He doesn't have to go through. He doesn't have to be lonely.
Yeah. Although, you know Urban Meyer is going to be like, Trevor, like, I'm your friend.
Yeah, we got to be friends.

Speaker 1 I can't, we're not, it's not like college anymore. We got to be friends first.
I'm not like other coaches, I'm a cool coach. Yeah, like, let's just

Speaker 1 get like a dangly earring and a necklace. Um, the other, oh, I had.
Oh, here was a fun fact. Ready for this one? I still can't believe this.

Speaker 1 So, the Bears took Virginia Tech running back, Khalil Herbert, her bear, Herbert, if you want to go French on it. Uh, I do, and he, the fact was, so Khalil has 11 toes.
He has 11 toes.

Speaker 1 That's a crazy fact in its own right. So he's faster.
He's faster. When he was at Kansas, he transferred from Kansas to Virginia Tech.
Puka Williams was in the backfield.

Speaker 1 Puka Williams had an accident when he was growing up with a lawnmower. Puka Williams has a total of five toes.

Speaker 1 So they had two running backs with a total of 16 toes. How do you have a running back that only has five toes?

Speaker 1 And then in the same backfield with a running back with 11 toes. Jesus Christ.
That's just a crazy. That one.

Speaker 1 That's a crazy situation. That draft got an A-plus from Rex Ryan.

Speaker 1 Dude, 11 toes? Yeah, 11. Well, not the five toes.
Nicole Cornios. Yeah.
But the 11 toes, so is it an extra pinky toe?

Speaker 1 I think he had, I think it's like a fairly common thing where you have, I think he had six fingers too, but he got one removed. Why would you get it taken off?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't even know.

Speaker 1 You're probably not a freak. Probably can't make.

Speaker 1 Don't like make fun of you? Probably can't find good receiver gloves that have six on them. Yeah, that would absolutely be it.
But yeah, 11 toes and five toes.

Speaker 1 So he's definitely better at cutting back. He's he's that's an advantage from the running back.
And I've always loved Virginia Tech. Everyone knows that.
Yeah, everyone knows.

Speaker 1 More player for you to tackle, though. Yes.
If you have an extra opinion. More players for more toes to get turf toe.
Yeah. Oh, that's the most deadly.
That's why you got to get Puka Williams.

Speaker 1 He was half as likely to get turf toe. I would love that.
Statistically. Yeah.
An athlete's foot.

Speaker 1 All right. Other things, other draft notes.
Oh, I saw. The Rams portrait of Roger Goodell.
Yep. I thought that was extremely classy.
Yep. So we have one coming.
And then the Saints. Chelsea.

Speaker 1 The Saints did a little trolling of the Rams and of Goodell. The next day, they hung up a picture in the background of Secretariat where the picture of Goodell would have been.

Speaker 1 It would have been better if it was like the clown picture of Goodell that they had put up there. But

Speaker 1 Sean Payne is just, he's addicted to fucking with the league office. Yes.
You guys are 100% certain it was trolling, right, by the Rams? Yes, it has to be. Yes.

Speaker 1 Or it's the greatest suck up of all time. Well, I think because I think it all goes back to the NC Championship, that's where it kind of makes sense where it was the Rams and the Saints.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because Goodell gave them the win, the Saints got fucked. Yeah, interesting.
So, I actually have never seen that picture of Roger Goodell that they used for the painting. It was offensive.

Speaker 1 It was just from a press conference. I found it.
Oh, really? Yeah. The way he was standing off the side, it looked like the portrait of George Washington in the White House.
It looked like when

Speaker 1 Paulie put Tony, or no, it wasn't Paulie. Who put Tony on his

Speaker 1 horse? Remember that?

Speaker 1 I don't remember that. Are you talking about

Speaker 1 when

Speaker 1 they've got

Speaker 1 Billy Bats in the back of the car and they pretty much killed him? And they're like, look at this guy. He's looking this way.
Goodell's looking the other way.

Speaker 1 And this dog's like, what do you want from that? Piomai. Remember, Paio Mai? Yeah.
And they drew Tony and made him look like a colonial figure.

Speaker 1 It just looked like a portrait of Goodell that Roger Goodell would honestly want to put on his own currency. Like if the NFL ever goes to like their own,

Speaker 1 if they get on their own like crypto, he wants that on the picture of the coin. We also need to just mention like the Goodell's chair really was the lamest thing ever.

Speaker 1 We just have to keep hammering because I think people are just letting him... This is what happens when you have Greenie interviewing them.

Speaker 1 Like Greenie's first question should have been like, hey, dude, do you think you're fucking funny and cute? He's going to sell an NFT of the chair. Oh.

Speaker 1 Second question, remember when you said you were going to donate to charity and have someone sit next to you in your man cave and no one ever did? Yes. Good point.

Speaker 1 And we were going to double the donation. Yeah, so I actually think that we should do the opposite and just keep talking about how awesome the chair was.

Speaker 1 And if we get enough people to fake talk about how great the chair was, he'll bring that fucking piece of shit out for every single league event for the next 30 years. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like it's such a fan favorite. Oh, because I'll tell you this can be in fucking 50-yard line at the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 You can't boo the chair. Oh, I'll boo the chair.
No. I will boo the chair.
I will give a standing ovation to that chair. I want to see that chair

Speaker 1 show up all the time for every single event that Roger Goodell ever does because he believes it's the coolest thing ever. I'll not Stick a dynamite in that chair.

Speaker 1 Imagine if they were like traveling around to Monday Night Football games and an AWL gave us the invite.

Speaker 1 And we took it off the trucks. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I absolutely would still be able to do it. I think it's kind of problematic that Roger Goodell was sitting on the hide of a deceased animal on stage.
True. I thought maybe

Speaker 1 the PETA people

Speaker 1 throw red paint all over that. Yeah, yes.

Speaker 1 Do we know, Jake, do you have any facts or anything that you noted from the draft? Who's Mr. Irrelevant?

Speaker 1 I don't know. Fuck.
That's a good question. The draft, like, by the time you get to Saturday, it's like, all right, just let me know if any of these guys make the team.
Ernie Adams is done.

Speaker 1 Poor went out for the King. The Grand is the last one.

Speaker 5 Stewart, a linebacker from Houston, went to the Buccaneers.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 You guys said it to the quarterback, but like when Sam Ellinger went to the Colts, I was like, oh. Yeah, right.
Maybe he'll be good. I'm going to go for a second.
Oh, yeah. Ian booked to the Saints.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit. Wow.
Because he's kind of undersized. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Not very good. Wait, Ernie's done? Ernie's done.
This was his last draft. He said that? As a Patriot.
Well, Belichick said.

Speaker 1 Ernie Adams was a bit more

Speaker 1 of the year from Belichick. Did you see it with his dog?

Speaker 1 Do you also... I have.
Is it too late to give him a post-mostly Oscar?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, he looked great with his dog.

Speaker 1 It was... Or like, whatever.

Speaker 1 Belated Oscar. A belated Oscar.
Did he kill his dog? No, a belated Oscar. The Oscars are dead because they happened already.
It's prelated for next year. True.

Speaker 1 Belichick explaining his draft. So I don't know if you saw this story, but he was asked a question, I think, on Thursday, and he was very Belichick-like, I can't explain to you how we grade players.

Speaker 1 And then I think he's getting a little nice in his old age. By the way, his explanation for how he grades players is, did he play for Nick Saban? Okay, he did.
All right, draft him.

Speaker 1 But Belichick came back the next day and did a press conference and was like, hey, I was a little curt, I was a little short with you guys. Let me explain it.
why I can't explain it.

Speaker 1 Here's the explanation of why he can't explain it. All right.

Speaker 1 He said, not trying to be evasive about the grading and all that, but I would just say that we don't grade players like one, two, three, four, five. That's just not, it's just not the way we do it.

Speaker 1 We use a combination of numbers, letters, colors, and these things all have different meanings depending on when they would indicate about the player's circumstance or situation or whatever it is involved with the player.

Speaker 1 So sometimes the color is going to override the number. Sometimes the letter is going to override the numbers or the colors and so forth.
And so it's not, you know, this guy's an 85, this guy's an 83.

Speaker 1 It just doesn't work like that. There's a number, a color, possibly a letter, or letters that go with those players.

Speaker 1 And those things could all, depending upon what they represent, could all override something else that's a part of the grade. What the hell? He created.

Speaker 1 I think most of that's bullshit. I just love the sentence.
So sometimes the color is going to override the numbers. Sometimes the letter is going to override the numbers or the colors and so forth.

Speaker 1 He definitely has invented his own language that him and the five people in the building that are the only ones that know how to speak. It is.

Speaker 1 We should get the guy who invented Dothraki and show him Belichick's grading because can you make sense of this? Belichick in is actually a language now with all this shit.

Speaker 1 It's code. I just think it's like the Navajo cold talkers and code talkers in World War II.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like he's invented through the combination of all these different variables, there's probably like 26,000 different things that can affect a single draft player's stock and the grade that they have.

Speaker 1 I just like the idea that someone could be, so there's numbers and

Speaker 1 letters. So someone, a draft,

Speaker 1 a player could be an A100, but then their color is brown, and you're like, no, I can't do it. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 So like with the rules that he's created, Belchek has essentially created quantum computing, but it's just about football players.

Speaker 1 Like if his, if his brain,

Speaker 1 stealing Matt Patricia away from NASA has got to be like one of the biggest all-time moves that might change history, And now we're just going to get even better at football in New England and worse at going to the moon.

Speaker 1 Was Patricia in the war room? Yeah, well, he made one of the picks. Because he kind of cleaned up, huh? Yeah, he made one of the picks.
He got a haircut and everything. Yeah, he's in the program.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was either that or it was...

Speaker 1 That might be a punishment for the Patriots to make one of their assistants be the person that announces the picks. Yes.

Speaker 5 I actually found something cool that Warren Sharp tweeted this morning.

Speaker 5 It was years since drafting a quarterback in rounds one and two, and 75% of the league has taken a quarterback in the first two rounds in the last seven years.

Speaker 5 The Seahawks haven't drafted one in 28 years, and the Saints haven't drafted one in 50 years.

Speaker 1 Whoa.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. Wild.
50 years?

Speaker 5 The Saints have not drafted a quarterback in rounds one and two in 50 years.

Speaker 1 That is wild. You know what else is wild? So our friend Sam Schwartzein just sent this to me.

Speaker 1 The Jets drafted Hamza Nasrildine with pick 186. The Bryce Brown trade is finally over after seven years.
Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 So every single year since Bryce Brown was drafted, there has been a player drafted using one of the picks that was acquired during that trade that eventually got swapped.

Speaker 1 So like seven years, eight years, I guess, yeah, seven drafts from now, the Bryce Brown trade tree is finally, it's been filled. Perfect.
Chopped down. I like that.
That finally we can get

Speaker 1 on. Oh, we can grade it now.
The Bryce Brown. Well, as soon as this player gets out there, and yeah, we can grade it as soon as we figure out if this player is good or not.
It looks like every player.

Speaker 1 Carson Wentz was involved in it through the middle. So

Speaker 1 Kiko Alonzo,

Speaker 1 I mean, the

Speaker 1 blowjob story is just increases trade value.

Speaker 1 I'd say I'm going to give this one to Philly. I think the Eagles won the Bryce Brown trade.
Yes. All right.
Any other draft notes?

Speaker 1 Again, the grading of the drafts, I think everyone, basically, when you wake up on Sunday or Monday morning after the draft, you do the same thing that everyone else does as NFL fans.

Speaker 1 You go and you look at the draft grades. You see your team's draft grade.

Speaker 1 If it's anything less than an A-, you get mad at the person who's grading it, and then you get mad at the GM, and then you go and see your rival's draft grade, and if it's anything higher than a B, you get mad at that.

Speaker 1 And then we just do the season and we find out how everyone was wrong. I think there was, I always remember the Jaguars got an A-plus draft grade like four years in a row.

Speaker 1 And this is pre-like when they actually had a really good team a few years ago in the ACG.

Speaker 1 I'm talking like, it was like, I don't know, like 2009, 10, 11, and it was just always terrible drafts, but they always got graded A plus.

Speaker 1 And there's always that Seahawks draft from 2012 where they got Russell Wilson and they picked up like some

Speaker 1 Bruce Irvin and Bleacher Park. And Cam Chancellor, too, right? It might have been, yeah, they're like, they reached for these guys.
Russell Wilson might not ever see the field grade F.

Speaker 1 And it was like the greatest draft of all time. Yeah, the best, the best of value.
At least in the history of that franchise. Yes, yes.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 The Seahawks also got a guy who runs a 4-3, so they're just going to have the fastest team ever. That's kind of the Raiders.
That's a new Doug Baldwin. The Raiders move.

Speaker 1 The Raiders will reach for any player that is, you know, half a percent faster than the rest of his position class.

Speaker 1 Although, I do think it might be Mike Mayock just doing a solid for all the scouting community and the people that do the draft grades because he used to be a part of that community. Right.

Speaker 1 And so he might just create these controversial picks just to give them some stuff to write about. Right.
You know, throw them a little red meat every now and again. That's true.

Speaker 1 But they've got the Ouija board that's connected to Al Davis' spirit that just tells them draft a fast player. Draft him.

Speaker 1 They've been drafting a shitload of cornerbacks, too.

Speaker 1 And it's funny because that's that one position that we always say, like, you don't know if it's going to, if it works, you'll find out five years later. Right.

Speaker 1 And they've drafted a defensive back, I think, every year for like the last eight years. And there's always been the same criticism, which is you reach for this guy.

Speaker 1 And the draft Raiders and analysis are always correct about the Raiders. Yes.
But

Speaker 1 they're not going to stop trying. Right.
They'll get it right.

Speaker 1 All right. So we had the Kentucky Derby as well.
Hopefully, you listened to our OG Randy Moss on Friday's show because we talked at length about the winning horse. Always interesting.

Speaker 1 You can tell when there's new listeners because there was still a good amount of people that were like, wait, you didn't have the real Randy Moss on? This is bullshit.

Speaker 1 And he was actually, I think, maybe the sixth guest on the show.

Speaker 1 So he, and shout out to his son, because I remember

Speaker 1 when the Kentucky Derby was happening in 2016, when the show was like two months old, and I tweeted out, like, does anyone know this Randy Moss?

Speaker 1 Uh, because we want to have him on, and his son was like, That's my dad, and he hooked us up. And

Speaker 1 friendship ever since. But we did talk about Bob Baffert at length, and we talked about the Tom Brady corollaries where they're going for their seventh title.
And then, lo and behold, 12 to 1.

Speaker 1 I bet on him. I never win the Derby.
It was, I have to say this to everyone listening right now: if you've never won the Derby,

Speaker 1 I'd recommend doing it. It was a lot of fun.
I remember it. I've never done it.
And then Saturday, I decided to do it, and I won 12-1, and it was way more fun than losing it.

Speaker 1 You'll always remember the name of that horse. Yeah, I still remember.

Speaker 1 I remember mind that bird. I'll never forget that name as long as I live.
Mind that bird.

Speaker 1 We also had Aaron Rodgers at the Derby. So he was

Speaker 1 skinny.

Speaker 1 He looked like

Speaker 1 a goth magician who will make your daughter's virginity disappear. Like a pickup artist.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 he's rolling around in what's his name, Screw.

Speaker 1 Mystery. Mystery.
Mystery. Neil Strauss.
Yeah. Matador.

Speaker 1 He looks skinny. I think he's probably, this is what happens when you get held captive.

Speaker 1 So I did have a very tough moment when he did his interview and he was wearing a name tag that said Turd Ferguson. And I obviously my initial reaction to anything Aaron Rodgers does is that's lame.

Speaker 1 I fucking hate his guts. But it made me laugh.
So I didn't tweet about it. And that's not, it's, it's the, if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all.

Speaker 1 Did you notice the type of hat he was wearing? Yeah. It was a derby hat.
Get it? I bet he got a lot of mileage out of that one.

Speaker 1 He is really, really unhappy, though. He does look skinny.
He looks skinny. I don't think he's been eating.
He has not been eating. They need to let him free.

Speaker 1 Can you imagine that if Aaron Rodgers actually went on a hunger strike? Yeah. To get trade? I actually think it would work.
I do too.

Speaker 1 I keep going back and forth because it does feel more serious than it ever has. And they've obviously had this issue like kind of bubbling for a while now.

Speaker 1 It does feel more significant than it ever has been. But I still don't, like, the Packers aren't going to trade him.
Right? Well, he's trying to get the GM fired now.

Speaker 1 And also now the spots, like, there's not a lot of openings. Apparently, that's something that, I mean, you hear about it happening a lot with.

Speaker 1 players and coaches trying to get each other fired, but you don't hear about it with a general manager.

Speaker 1 So people got mad, especially Mike Florio, got real mad at Aaron Rodgers because you don't talk about another man's job. Correct.
And a guy, how do you pronounce his name? Is it Gunenkisk? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Gunenkinsk? You can't fire that guy from being the general manager of the Packers. That guy just, his name alone just

Speaker 1 Midwest Germany. He was born out of a cheese curd on a fish fry Friday.
Like that, he that was, it wasn't a natural birth. That was the type of spotted cow.
Yeah, it wasn't a natural birth.

Speaker 1 And butter.

Speaker 1 It was an egg that was hatched, and that egg was a a cheese curd. So, yeah, he's trying to get him fired, apparently.

Speaker 1 And that's making some people mad for talking about another man's job.

Speaker 1 But it really sounds like Matt LaFleur, he wants Aaron Rodgers back, and he's just Matt LaFleur is the one that I'm more worried about because he sounded more depressed than Aaron Rodgers recently.

Speaker 1 Yes. Because he's like, I've let my mind finally go to that dark place where Aaron might not be our quarterback in September.
And I don't like thinking about it.

Speaker 1 I don't know what I'm going to do with myself. How about being Jordan Love in this situation?

Speaker 1 When you, like, obviously Aaron Rodgers, MVP, so clearly he's way better than Jordan Love, but you still drafted Jordan Love in the first round and everyone is pretending like the franchise will end if Aaron Rodgers retires.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's got to suck.
Well, plus, you also know you've already burned one of your years into the 16-year lifespan of Green Bay Packers quarterback.

Speaker 1 So it's like you just feel his biological clock is ticking right now. So he's only got 15 more years where he can contribute to the team.

Speaker 1 It's also just, I mean, we always talk about like the guy who follows the guy. How about the guy who follows Favre and Rodgers? Yeah.
That's got to suck. You have to be a Hall of Famer.
You have to.

Speaker 1 You have to be. How hilarious would it be, though, if the Packers just started winning based on defense and just running the football? Fuck that.

Speaker 1 Probably not that funny for you. But I do think, Aaron Rodgers, I know you listen to the show.
I know you're a big stoolie.

Speaker 1 Do a public hunger strike. Have a live cam on you.

Speaker 1 Do a stream and prove that you're not going to eat anything until either they fire this guy or you get traded to whatever. Or die.
Or he dies. Or he dies.
Or he dies.

Speaker 1 If you die, I hope, heaven forbid.

Speaker 1 Here's what I'll say. If Aaron Rodgers dies on a hunger strike trying to leave the Packers, I will

Speaker 1 do a moment of silence. Okay.
You'll do a hunger strike. No, I'll do two hours.
No, I'll do a moment of silence. One moment of silence.
A moment of silence for Aaron Rodgers. There it is.

Speaker 1 I actually think it would work. And

Speaker 1 if anybody is the type of personality to try doing like a Gandhi technique, it's Aaron Rodgers. Well, a lot of people are saying that Aaron Rodgers doesn't have the balls to do it.

Speaker 1 No, I've heard that. I've heard people saying that he.

Speaker 1 He'll keep eating meals. No, they didn't necessarily say the balls.
They just said the mental toughness or the intellectual. They said Aaron Rodgers is not intellectually curious enough

Speaker 1 to try to hunger strike. He's too dumb to.
We'll see. I tend to agree with those people, but I'd like to be proven wrong.
Yeah, without a doubt. All right, let's do our Who's Back of the Week.

Speaker 1 We have Eddie George coming up. Awesome, awesome interview with Eddie George.
Jordan.com.

Speaker 1 I got a couple who's backs. The first one, Lamella Ball.
Okay. He came back,

Speaker 1 he had a crazy full-court pass on Friday night. He just had another one like two minutes ago.
That might be better. It was basically like a football throw, like 90 yards.

Speaker 1 Is LaMelo making passing cool again?

Speaker 1 He's back. They're going to make a playoff run.
He's definitely... I've been a LaMelo Ball fan.

Speaker 1 I've been a LaMelo Ball fan on this show going back years and years. You actually have.
So I'm always rooting for him. He's fun to watch.
My other who's back of the week is crowdfights.

Speaker 1 Yui, can I just say one thing about Lamello Ball? The thing that

Speaker 1 ruined Lamello Ball, and I agree, he's fun to watch and he's very, very awesome. He should win Rookie of the Year, was that one video where he was just bricking threes from half court.
Remember that?

Speaker 1 He was in like

Speaker 1 sophomores. I know, and I

Speaker 1 used all my draft analysis on that one video. You know what's crazy? So it's like that's, I don't blame him myself.

Speaker 1 It was definitely not my fault. It was whoever made that video.
What's Steph Curry's lifetime percentage from three? Is it like 40?

Speaker 1 142%?

Speaker 1 So that means that he bricks 60% percent of the shots these were bricks i know but i'm saying like you could cut together a pretty sick highlight reel of steph curry bricking shots and just call it steph curry

Speaker 1 point four but do you remember this video yeah he was he was it was like half of his horse that was you know that was that was like prime marball everyone was coming after lovard marketing team that's how i did my draft analysis to him so i was wrong hand up wait Seth Curry is a higher three-point percentage than his brother.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's better. I mean, I can show you a highlight clip that'll prove it.

Speaker 1 Also, speaking of Buzz City, that someone, I saw a tweet from Terry Rosaire in 2011 talking about how hot Seth Curry's mom was. So that's always just funny when that

Speaker 1 gets back in the

Speaker 1 Enchillon. I mean, he wasn't wrong.
No, no. Crowdfights.
Which seems like a nice lady. Andy Ruiz Jr., Chris Areola.
I don't know how his name is spelled Areola. Areola.

Speaker 1 They had a boxing match in, I think it was L.A. in the Coliseum, and there was a crowdfight.
No security came over for like 20 minutes. It was basically just a full-on.

Speaker 1 Like, guys are just getting smoked. Nature's healing.
People are back.

Speaker 1 This was crazier than any UFC fight I've seen. One guy was just taking, probably took like 35 body blows, like hard, hard punches, and there was just no security.

Speaker 1 Like, it was one of those videos where you watch, and when you see a fight break out, you see a few punches get thrown, and then you're like, all right, it's going to get broken up.

Speaker 1 Someone's going to come. Right.
It's just a quick little tiff. This was three to five minutes of just like...
body blows, full headshots, everything. I think that's fine, though, at a boxing event.

Speaker 1 Like, if you go to a baseball game, you bring your glove with you. You might play some catch in the concourse or whatever.

Speaker 1 If you go to a boxing event and a boxing match breaks down the stands, there's just more bang for your buck. I say, let that play out.

Speaker 1 And also, I think, like, COVID has brought a different perspective to security guards where they see people fighting each other and they're like, fuck that. I'm not going to get involved in that.

Speaker 1 Why would I go insert myself into two strangers breathing and bleeding on each other? I'll just let them

Speaker 1 tire out eventually. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Fighting in

Speaker 1 like UFC needs more fighting in the stance. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Why not? Yeah, why not? I feel like they have a good amount, probably. I feel like they don't show it.
They need to show it more. Yeah, they do.
Also, I had this idea over the weekend.

Speaker 1 We were talking about how, like, Jake Paul, UFC, there's some beef going on there. Why isn't Dana White just fight Jake Paul in MMA?

Speaker 1 If he lost, I think he'd have to give up all of the shares. All the shares? Yeah.
Yeah. That would be a good thing.
He's a reputation match. Yeah.
Yeah, you can't do that if you're him.

Speaker 1 I would love to see it happen, but you can't do it. Or what else? That was it.
That was it. Okay.

Speaker 1 Just two? Two. For who's back? Just two of them.

Speaker 1 My who's back of the week is Snake Pit.

Speaker 1 Snake Pit's back. There was a golf tournament.
Max Homo finished lower than we thought he was going to finish.

Speaker 1 Tough break for the homosexuals. He was two strokes back going into the final round.

Speaker 1 Three strokes, two strokes back.

Speaker 1 Ten strokes back. He also made a real score on moving day.
Late rally.

Speaker 1 Finished six. So it was tough, but I'm sure he collected a nice paycheck.
But the name of the core or the course had their finishing holes 16, 17, 18. They just called him the snake pit.

Speaker 1 And the snake pit is such a cool thing to call anything. Yeah.
Except an actual pit of snakes. Yes.
But you can call anything a snake pit, and it sounds fucking ferocious.

Speaker 1 And they showed it on television, and it was just like a nice, lovely end of a round of golf.

Speaker 1 There was nothing menacing about it at all. But Jim Nance is like, he's wandering into the snake pit.
We'll see if he can survive. Oh, man.
It gets you going. The snake pit at

Speaker 1 9500. 9500.
That's a snake pit. It is a snake pit.
That's a real snake pit. That's just where you go to party on Saturday to get so far.
Carb Day? No, no, no, on Sunday. Carb Day is Friday.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's right. Yeah.
And then my other not carb, not eating a bunch of carbs.

Speaker 1 We found that out, and it sucked.

Speaker 1 It was honestly disappointing. When you show up to Carb Day and you're like, all right, where's the pizza? Where's the donuts? And they're like, no, no, no.
Carburetor. Yeah, funnel cakes at least.

Speaker 1 Then,

Speaker 1 who's back of the week? Is True Love at the Arizona Diamondbacks game.

Speaker 1 Did you guys see this? J-Lo,

Speaker 1 Benifer, can I jump across this table and

Speaker 1 Bennifer is back? Since you brought it up, yeah, Bennefer is back. The couple that brought us G-Lee

Speaker 1 is finally back. So pathetic from J-Lo.
So pathetic. Does he have an Oscar? What? An Affleck? Absolutely.
He's got an Oscar. Does he? He's a great director.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 He got one for Goodwill Hunting. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And no, I think he got one for Argo, too. And also the.

Speaker 1 I think Jigly might have won. It won everything.

Speaker 1 The best movie of all time.

Speaker 1 Counting's the worst movie ever, but it's such a good watch.

Speaker 1 I love that Ben Affleck just, if he's directing a movie, he'll put a scene in where he's just shirtless exercising. Yes.
And I think every time he does that, it's just a shot directly at J-Lo.

Speaker 1 Like, take me back. Although I do love...

Speaker 1 He's a man after your own heart in a way, big cat. You've seen all the pictures of him carrying the stacks of Dunkin' Donuts into his house for Donut Saturdays.

Speaker 1 No, but those weren't donuts. They were just coffee.
No, he's got donuts in the thing, too. He does? He's a big ambassador for Donuts Saturday.
Okay.

Speaker 1 And Dunkin' Donuts in general, which I respect because, you know, it doesn't get a lot of love outside of Boston, and it should. I feel like Dunkin' Donuts had its moment.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It should still have its moment. It's still far more superior than Christmas.

Speaker 1 Actually, I was going to say something about a different coffee place, but you know what? Corporate cat, not going to say it because we might advertise someday. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I was going to say not Dunkin' Donuts, but somewhere else. I'm trying to off now.

Speaker 1 But I'm not off it because you don't know what I'm talking about. Money in the solar system? I fucking hate to bleep that out.

Speaker 1 Me too. Are we still advertising for donkeys? No, but they should come back.
They should. Yeah, much like J-Lo came back to Ben Affleck.

Speaker 1 So pathetic.

Speaker 1 So pathetic. But true love.
Did you see, by the way, A-Rod like lost a shitload of weight

Speaker 1 from December to right now? Yeah. And it was like, stay committed, do all this.
And

Speaker 1 someone found out, like, they're like, or you could do the A-Rod diet. And he went to a gym that was literally $4,000 for one one month.
It's like, okay, well, that too.

Speaker 1 Why can't everyone be like me? All right, I'm going to pull an audible. Jake, you can explain the

Speaker 1 time vaccine if you want to. But it wasn't fat.
Another who's back is fake butts. I have a theory.
This is going to be the summer of fake butts. The Roaring 20s.
There are a lot of people that...

Speaker 1 Who are you talking about? Better not be Rachel Bush. Should I come up with

Speaker 1 her vaccine thoughts aside?

Speaker 1 I think the whole squad should get fake asses because my theory is that a lot of people got elective cosmetic surgery during this year that the world hit pause.

Speaker 1 And this summer, you're going to see a lot of fake asses that come out of nowhere. And they're the most funny thing to see in the wild.
I saw, I think, five fake asses at one restaurant last year.

Speaker 1 How are you looking, PFT? Keep your eyes up here.

Speaker 1 I couldn't help but know because they were bonking my drink off my table when they were trying. Can I scoop by you there real quick? Then, boom, a fucking asshole knocks over my ass.

Speaker 1 What type of drink was it? Manhattan. Can I ask?

Speaker 1 I thought you were doing whatever your drinks are. Oh, my novelties, but not every restaurant.

Speaker 1 I've actually gotten a lot of strange looks at fancy establishments being like, do you have any like crazy novelty fish pole cocktails?

Speaker 1 And they're like, sir, we already, you're already wearing sweatpants, really pushing the limits of our dress code. I'll have to ask you to stop.
Can I throw something out there?

Speaker 1 Because we're in the trust tree and no judging.

Speaker 1 I am terrible at judging fake asses and fake tits. I see a pair of fake tits, I'm like, look at those naturals.
Yep. And I'm always wrong.
I can't.

Speaker 1 Like, I remember the day when someone was like, dude, Jenna Jameson, like, those are fake tits. I'm like, what? Are you serious? I'm really bad at it.
If milk comes out, then they're real.

Speaker 1 It's just I can't, for some, maybe it's that I, you know what? Maybe I just don't judge. Maybe it's the heart wants what the heart wants.

Speaker 1 But if you show me a pair of very clearly fake tits, I will absolutely think they're real. I'm 100% in that same boat with you.

Speaker 1 There have been people that I've given a hug to, and then later my friend is like, those tits are so fake. They're so hard.
And I'd be like, I really could not tell.

Speaker 1 Like, my chest is not chilling nerve. Yeah, I had to give him a major bomb.
Yeah, yeah, so I wouldn't be able to tell you if there's a fake ass in the house. You know what fake ass?

Speaker 1 No, fake ass issue. I'm telling you right now,

Speaker 1 I do not, when I see an

Speaker 1 Literally, when I see an ass that's huge and it might be fake, I'm just thinking, like, was she using the blue bands or the purple bands? I'm telling you. What is she doing? What's her squat?

Speaker 1 20 years from now, we're going to look back at this era in the United States and be like, what the fuck was everyone thinking just getting shit injected into their ass cheeks? Yeah. Really strange.

Speaker 1 But I think they're going to be back this summer. Just something to put in the tickler file, keep an eye out for.
I won't be able to tell. All right, my who's back

Speaker 1 soccer hooligans or whatever happened at Man United today. I love it.
Saved soccer.

Speaker 1 They invaded the pitch.

Speaker 1 I think they were violent. I think some people got fucked up.

Speaker 1 Also, love the

Speaker 1 few random guys who brought a ball with them just so they could kick it around. They were taking PKs.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then I just, here's what I don't understand. I know troops explained it all.
Super League, bad idea. We get it.
I agree with that.

Speaker 1 But if the Glazers sold, another billionaire would buy the team, and then

Speaker 1 we'd be in the same spot in like five years. Probably.

Speaker 1 But I think their point is we'd rather have an asshole who is from England than an asshole who's from America. But that asshole from England would be like, oh,

Speaker 1 that would be like saying for the Sonics. Like, we want a guy from Seattle, Howard Schultz.
Oh, how'd that work out?

Speaker 1 Like, eventually, the bottom line will be the bottom line, no matter where you're from or who you root for.

Speaker 1 And if you look at history, rich British assholes have done probably 50 times the damage to the world that Americans have. A very easy way to live your life is to understand that

Speaker 1 very rich people will do anything to stay rich and get richer, and they don't have like, you think they might have a heart in them. You might think they have like, ooh, fandom.
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 They don't give a fuck. They do not give a fuck.
I think it just comes down to the fact they don't like. When an American fucks up their sport, they're like, we really hate that.

Speaker 1 You just got to remind them, the fucking Glazers won a Super Bowl three months ago.

Speaker 1 It was very funny listening to the people on, was it Sky Sports or whatever, like NBC Sports Network, talk about what was happening in very hushed, solemn tones because they had defiled the sanctity of old traffic.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Which has been renovated like 75 times. Some of the cops that were there were just like letting him in because I think the cops also want the Glazers to sell the team.

Speaker 1 And I saw one police officer walking across the pitch and he was just bleeding from one of his eyes yeah but he was smiling he was like this is fucking awesome this is sick having a great time yeah so that that is back and then my other who's back is loud uh so the

Speaker 1 the the thunder lost 152 to 95 on saturday night that is i think that's the biggest margin of defeat ever um it's incredible when you actually look at the box score just how they didn't win a single quarter they they did they were getting hot in the fourth they lost 26 to 25 in the fourth.

Speaker 1 But I freaked when I saw this because I was like, oh, no, Lou Dort, my king, he didn't play. So I just want to remind everyone, he didn't play.
If he had played, they probably would have won the game.

Speaker 1 Well, he averages like 60. That's not even it, PFT.
People were making that joke like, oh, Lou Dort, you think Lou Dort? Dude,

Speaker 1 I just put you in the Dortcher champion. I just said they don't score 152 on Lou Dort.
I just said Lou Dort is a prolific scorer. His game does change.
No, but it's his defense.

Speaker 1 His defense is what would stop them. Okay.
He doesn't need to score for his team to win. Gotcha.
He can just fucking lock them down.

Speaker 1 You can't put a mathematical equation to explain the significance of Lou Dort on a basketball game. It is very funny, though, to look at the plus-minus, and like Sabonis for the Pacers was a plus 49.

Speaker 1 That's impressive. But seriously, there is something about Dort.

Speaker 1 It doesn't exist on the stat sheet. Yeah,

Speaker 1 you can't write a computer program to tell you what love is. He is absolutely the best on-ball defender.
He will lock you down.

Speaker 1 Lou Dort is the best. Dorture Chamber.
So don't anyone who's trying to tell you that the Thunder suck, they do, but not because of Lou Dort.

Speaker 1 Alright, Jake.

Speaker 5 Do you want to explain that Diamondbacks thing?

Speaker 1 You can probably explain it better than I could.

Speaker 6 I'm just going to read through the thread.

Speaker 1 Yeah, go for it.

Speaker 5 So this guy, Buck Army, who has 100,000 plus on YouTube,

Speaker 5 according to his bio, said, hey, D-Bax, my roommate's on a state, six rows above the plate. I'd love to see the cameraman a bit.
And then the D-Bax referred him to Bally Sports, the network.

Speaker 5 Then now the D-Bax says, We're curious.

Speaker 1 Let me take over real quick for you, Jake.

Speaker 1 Give a little bit of background.

Speaker 1 So, this YouTuber, his buddy, went on a date at a Diamondbacks game, and then he was like, Hey, Diamondbacks, can you put the camera on my friend? He's on his first date. I want to see how he's doing.

Speaker 1 Asking them to put him on TV so he could check in on his buddy, and they eventually found him, and it became like this big viral moment.

Speaker 1 But I also have a big stay woke on it, like the fact that it was a famous YouTuber that was setting this up

Speaker 1 in conjunction with three separate brands at once. It set off a lot of alarms for me.
Yes, agreed. But apparently they're going on a second date.
Apparently, they hit it off.

Speaker 1 It would be very funny if it wasn't set up and the camera panned to them and he was just getting a hand job from her in the crowd. Jake, did you have your own who's back? Yeah.

Speaker 6 Anderson Verajao.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Cavs. Yeah? This stopped me in my tracks.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is he in Brazil now? He plans to sign with the Cavs. I got to see the last time.

Speaker 1 What? Yes.

Speaker 1 He was like Anderson

Speaker 1 is signing back with the Cavs, a team he played 13 years for or something. I literally thought he stopped playing in 2016.

Speaker 5 He has not played since 2016, 17 with the Warriors.

Speaker 1 Holy shit. Right, he did the double ring.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he did the double ring thing. He was like the guy, like, he gets rings for both teams or whatever.
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 And they had to vote on whether or not he got the ring or something because he left me away.

Speaker 1 That's incredible. I have no idea how Dan Gilbert runs his organization.
Like, is he just drunk all the time? Yeah, well, he had a health problem. Oh, that's right.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I didn't mean to make you feel bad.

Speaker 1 It's touch and go.

Speaker 1 Yeah, is he okay? Is he alive?

Speaker 1 It would make more sense if he wasn't. Oh,

Speaker 1 but the Cavs are good for like three of these moves a year. Where you're just like, are they? Is this a professional sports team in Cleveland? What are 10 games left?

Speaker 5 Is it a PR thing? Just to

Speaker 1 live

Speaker 1 in the past. Yeah.
I don't know. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 How old is he?

Speaker 1 Watch him be like 28.

Speaker 1 And we just were wrong with him. No, 38.
38, okay. All right.
That's nuts. Hey, once a calf, always a calf.
Cav for life, right? Yeah.

Speaker 5 And then PFT's boy Steve Cornaki is back.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5 He's the only NBC analyst to pick the correct Derby winner.

Speaker 1 Oh, you had him? Yeah. What was his name? Steve Cornaki.
Medina Spirit. Medina Spirit.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 Always remember Medina's Spirit. I'm sick of that guy.
He's fucking cactus.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's crazy how much he looks like Roan.

Speaker 1 It's insane.

Speaker 1 Every time I see him, I'm like, why is Roan on my TV? The hatred that Jeff D. Lowe has for Steve Cornaki is unrivaled by anything I've ever seen.
Why? Just nerd on nerd?

Speaker 1 No, he just, no, he just hates that they treat him like a freak. Nerds do hate other nerds.
Well, he hates that they treat him like a freak, which I understand.

Speaker 1 It's like, let's get this freak out here to talk about his freak numbers and go back to your basement when you're done, freak. But nerds definitely have a feeling like

Speaker 1 there's only enough room for one of us nerds.

Speaker 1 They don't like that.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is Heisman Trophy winner, four-time Pro Bowler, but most importantly, he is the head coach of Tennessee State now.
It is Eddie George.

Speaker 1 Let's start there. Are you used to people calling you coach yet?

Speaker 1 Because this is you, you just jumped right into the job, and part of the job of being a coach is everyone around town calling you coach. Are you ready for that? Are you cool with that?

Speaker 2 You know, I'm cool with it, but I'm not used to it yet. People like, hey, coach, hey, coach.
I'm like, who's here?

Speaker 1 You know, like, who's coach?

Speaker 2 But I'm getting used to it. It's

Speaker 2 really a tremendous honor to be a head coach, for someone to

Speaker 2 look at me in this regard

Speaker 2 and to say, hey, I want you to take over my program. There's a lot of trust involved in that.
One. Two,

Speaker 2 oftentimes you may not see something in yourself. Somebody might see something in you that you don't see in yourself.

Speaker 2 And after doing.

Speaker 2 my due diligence on the opportunity,

Speaker 2 doing some soul searching, You know, I had a chance to talk to Dion,

Speaker 2 a few other players, a few other head coaches, a few other businessmen about what this means, what it entails, what it involves.

Speaker 2 You know, can I do this, put my whole mind, body, mind, and spirit into this and

Speaker 2 give 100%.

Speaker 2 I got to came to the conclusion that I can do it.

Speaker 2 And this is the next thing that's presented for me. It's a great challenge, a great opportunity, but more importantly, it's about impacting lives of young men, of our student athletes.

Speaker 2 And that's something that I've been doing my entire life, you know, in some roundabout way, whether it be my own sons, whether it be talking to a group of kids,

Speaker 2 doing my speaking engagements and so forth. It's something that I know.

Speaker 2 I know the game of football. I played it for practically my whole life.

Speaker 2 And it brings me back full circle into the very love, the very person that I loved growing up and I made a profession out of, but just in a completely different capacity.

Speaker 2 So it's a wonderful opportunity.

Speaker 1 So you mentioned that you talked to Deion Sanders. He's our coworker here and he is the head coach at Jackson State.

Speaker 1 We're head of recruiting there. So we can't, you can be, I guess we'll see how this interview goes before we determine whether or not we want to work with you in any capacity on that front.

Speaker 1 But I'm curious how that convo went with Deion because you guys played against each other. I have to imagine,

Speaker 1 did you probably ran Deion over once or twice is what I'm getting at. He wasn't exactly a hitter.
So how is that relationship now? Is he always like, does he look like a hit?

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 2 Prime, we've never hit.

Speaker 2 He never, I don't think I've ever ran into Deion, maybe in a Pro Bowl, but we never hit, you know. So the only time I saw Prime

Speaker 2 was when he was catching the interception. I was trying to hit him and he was running the other way.
So that was it. But

Speaker 2 of course, listen, you know, Prime is prime, period. You know, I grew up a prime fan when it was at Florida State.
I remember being at a military school and we would go sneak and watch the games.

Speaker 2 And they were playing against Clemson. And I remember, you know, sneaking watch that one clip when he's pointing to the sidelines, telling him he's going to run it back.

Speaker 2 And I wanted Clemson to win so bad that day. And he said, he's going to run it back.
He's going to run it back, gets the ball, runs it back for a touchdown, and it was all over.

Speaker 2 And I just remember him, you know, just growing up, been a big fan of him so i'm not surprised that you know when prime took this opportunity took this position uh i reached out to him and i congratulated him i was like wow this is a huge deal for him not knowing that i was going to be the next guy to be offered the opportunity so prime is a trend a trendsetter um he's always always has been he's always been about helping others uh especially young black men reach their fullest potential, not just on the football field, but also off the football field.

Speaker 2 and that was some of the similar things that that i'm aligned with as well and that's some of the things that i believe in and and when i reached out to him and really got his unfarn unvarnished truth of what goes into this um he was very honest and upfront with me he says not going to be easy you know it's a different way of doing business but it's something is definitely you definitely can do you get the right people around you um you will be the ceo of of a business pretty much and that's how you're going to have to operate but you can be very successful in it except except against him that's what he was saying yeah so uh our listeners are going to be mad that we've gotten this far in the interview and we haven't mentioned uh the most important person in your circle of trust when it comes to you know jumping into the coaching world it is our best friend jeff fisher uh so what yes what what uh maybe a story uh something that you've always thought of like this is how you should coach for from your time playing for coach fisher that you're going to now bring into you know your guys at tennessee state oh wow that is such a great question um jeff uh

Speaker 2 jeff um i reached out to him and i was hoping that he would talk me off the ledge of this thing okay um i was on the fence i was about you know 70 30 of not doing this okay

Speaker 2 And I said, before I close the door on it, before I give them a hard no and say, hey, this is not for me, go find somebody else that's passionate about it, blah, blah, blah, ran down on my reasoning.

Speaker 2 I called him on my way out to a golf tournament going, I think I was going to Florida to play concession. And I said, hey, I'm on a tarmac.

Speaker 2 I'm about to leave, you know, but this is what I got going on.

Speaker 2 I've been offered. Listen to this ridiculous idea, Jeff.
I got offered to be the head coach of Tennessee State University. and with no coaching experience.

Speaker 2 And I'm expecting him to be like, ha ha ha, yeah, let that go. Just, you know, man, go to the, go take off, stay down there, don't get involved.
Instead, you know how he is.

Speaker 2 He's, oh my God, Eddie, that's amazing. You will absolutely kill it.
And I've got everything laid out for you. I've got my organizational sheets.
I've got practice sheets. I've got a staff.

Speaker 2 I've got a chief upstairs. He's going through the whole thing of how this can be successful.
And Jeff knows how to push my buttons because he was my coach. I mean, he knew how to get me going, right?

Speaker 2 And by the end of the conversation, I went from 70, 30 in terms of not doing it to be an all-in at the end of a 30-minute conversation.

Speaker 2 So, you know, Jeff has a way of presenting things and presenting things in such a peaceful, calm, and collective way.

Speaker 2 And he'll have you looking at something that's like, that's half empty, it's half full. He's an optimistic guy.
So I think my, my, I'll take bits and pieces from his style in terms of how he coaches.

Speaker 2 He is not one to embarrass anybody or to berate anyone,

Speaker 2 but he's, he's definitely a player's coach.

Speaker 2 And anybody that's played for Jeff can definitely say that, that, you know, they're probably, he's probably the best coach they ever played for because of how he approaches players and how he deals with people in relationships.

Speaker 1 He's a very Zen guy. At the end of the conversation, was he like, and by the way, if you're hiring, I happen to know a guy, me,

Speaker 1 if you want to bring me on, does he floated that out there for you?

Speaker 2 I had to

Speaker 2 talk to talk him into, hey, man, listen, you know, if I'm going to do this,

Speaker 2 I'd like to do it with you in some capacity. I don't know how that looks for you.

Speaker 2 I know that he was trying to get into college football coaching, did have the opportunity to go to Tennessee or Auburn and all of that.

Speaker 2 But I think he's excited being a senior advisor in this capacity and just really helping me along the way put the rails down or the bricks down for this foundation of what we can do here at Tennessee State University.

Speaker 1 That's very cool. So when you're coaching, are you going to have a doghouse? Because I asked that question because people forget that you won a Heisman.
You were a first-round pick.

Speaker 1 You had an unbelievable career in the NFL.

Speaker 1 But there was a point in time where you were in the doghouse, probably the longest doghouse of all time, for a year and a half at Ohio State because you fumbled twice your freshman year on the five-yard line against Illinois in the same game.

Speaker 1 And then you went to the doghouse for a year and a half. Is that right? You basically were sidelined for a year and a half.

Speaker 1 What does a doghouse feel like for a year and a half?

Speaker 2 Well, the doghouse is cold. It's dark.

Speaker 2 There's no light. It's

Speaker 2 unforgiving.

Speaker 2 It feels like the world is closing in on you.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 I was molded by that. I was, I grind in that.

Speaker 2 I had to find a new belief in it. I had to find my own light in the darkness of the doghouse.

Speaker 2 So absolutely, you got to have a doghouse for somebody to ask the question, hey, am I man enough to pursue this dream? Do I have the guts to continue to pursue and to persist without exception?

Speaker 2 You know, so you without the doghouse, you got to have a guy to go in there and really find out who he is and bring forth the best out of you. So to me, that's where I won the Heisman.

Speaker 2 I made up in my mind that, hey, you know what? This is not going to define me. I could have left.
I could have went to a different school.

Speaker 2 I could have jumped in the portal and tried to find the perfect situation, or I can make the situation there at Ohio State perfect for me by attacking it, by taking ownership of it, by working out hard every day, by showing up at eight o'clock in the morning and leaving at eight in the evening,

Speaker 2 working on my weaknesses, working on my strengths, studying film, doing any and everything. that will separate me from the rest of my competition.
That's what I was going to do. And that's what I did.

Speaker 2 so yes there will be a doghouse did you did did coach john cooper at ohio state did he ever apologize for putting you in the doghouse because he's had to feel stupid after that where your sophomore year you have uh 42 attempts and then your junior year you have 276 attempts and it's like wait we could have probably used him last year a little bit that was maybe my mistake to keep him in the doghouse that long well well let's be clear you know at ohio state you can't afford to fumble you can't afford to get hurt because the next guy on line is just as good as you i played with robert smith raymond harris butler benote jeff cothran they were all upperclassmen so they all went to the nfl at some point in time so it was talented so they they said listen we know we'll be having you you're going to sit in here you're going to sit back and watch learn how it's done watch these upperclassmen take stake because we're not going to lose you're not i'm not going to lose my job because you can't hold on to the the football so it was about job security with john cooper and i appreciate that so it you know it was i don't think he felt stupid behind it no i think it was just a talented backfield to say hey this guy's got some time and let him grow and develop into or become the player that he that he hopes to be that's humble but but you were the best running back in that backfield but you won a heisman trophy well yeah

Speaker 1 yeah like very humble of you i like but who knows if you weren't in the dog ass for that long you might not have reached that point true it made you hungry right you You weren't eating when you were out in the doghouse.

Speaker 1 He's pain, he's molded by the dog.

Speaker 1 Exactly. What you should do is, as a motivational technique, you should get a doghouse and put it on the sideline for your players, but not for your running backs, like for your defense.

Speaker 1 Every time they force a fumble,

Speaker 1 you put that guy in the doghouse and you come back to the sidelouse.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you fill the doghouse up with the balls, yeah.

Speaker 2 I like that. I like that a lot.
Yeah, you know what? I'm going to take you up on it. And now,

Speaker 2 I had to get a big doghouse to do that.

Speaker 2 You know, anybody, you know, a good builder that can build a good-looking doghouse in Tennessee?

Speaker 1 Like, you make it really, yeah.

Speaker 1 Will Compton probably won't be doing anything next year.

Speaker 1 You know what? He might not be.

Speaker 1 You never know. Just kidding.
He's a friend of ours. He went back.
He played for him last year. Yeah, yes, I know.

Speaker 1 He's going to be on a roster. He will be on a roster.
That was a cheap shot. He would actually be a great carpenter.
Speaking of cheap shots, maybe Taylor Luan. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's probably not going to play next year.

Speaker 1 He'll be suspended for a while. And I'm going to bring Taylor out to be my offensive line coach.
Yeah, we're just roasting our guys right now. I love it.
I'm curious.

Speaker 1 I'm curious about another guy that you played with for a long time.

Speaker 1 One of our favorite NFL players in the history of the league on this show, Lorenzo Neal, best fullback,

Speaker 1 best blocking fullback in the history of the game. Oh, yeah.
Do you think he should be in the Hall of Fame?

Speaker 2 I personally do.

Speaker 2 I mean, I don't know what the credentials or the criteria criteria is for a fullback, but the man has blocked for me, Ladamian Thomilson, who's in the Hall of Fame, Corey Dylan, who's in the Hall of Fame, Adrian Morrell.

Speaker 2 I think everybody that's played, that ran behind Lorenzo has had a breakout year.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 And he would do things that most fullbacks wouldn't do.

Speaker 2 He's the type that will, he is the perfect guy. Like if you're going out, you know, with

Speaker 2 a double date he will jump on the grenade for you like he

Speaker 1 he'll take he'll take the the one that's not attractive and gladly i mean just open like hey i that's mine he's a fullback

Speaker 1 right yeah fullback mentality

Speaker 2 will jump on the grenade he'll goes above and beyond the call of duty so what he would do he would

Speaker 2 like go through the line of scrimmage so there's an isolation he has the middle linebacker right but he's so talented he'll see a guy come off the tackle. Let's say it's the three technique.

Speaker 2 He'll chip the three technique, right?

Speaker 2 Then he'll chip another guy, the outside linebacker, up to up to the

Speaker 2 middle linebacker, flatten him, and then go to the safety. I mean, he was just that nibble because he's a low-center of gravity.
He can move. He's very nimble in between space.

Speaker 2 And he would do that consistently, get three or four guys along the way. And that's something you just can't coach.
He willingly did that for, what, 13, 14 years.

Speaker 2 So, yes, in my mind, yes, Lorenzo Neal should be in the NFL holiday. I agree.

Speaker 1 Are you going to have a fullback?

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 1 Listen,

Speaker 2 one thing we are going to do here is we are going to run the football. How well? I don't know yet, but we are going to run the football.

Speaker 1 I love it. Matter of fact,

Speaker 2 you got the eligibility left. You look like a good fullback.

Speaker 1 you you by the way you have do you you don't have eligibility left but i think you could still like what i i had a tweet the other uh probably a couple years ago because you're one of those guys who still has all the muscle how many yards could you get in an nfl sunday right now if you're behind the best offensive line your current age oh my god the way my knees feel

Speaker 2 I will probably get what's blocked for.

Speaker 2 I would say if I got 25 carries, I could get 25 yards.

Speaker 1 No, stop.

Speaker 1 I don't believe that. That's not bad.
I mean, that's only what, two yards less than the career.

Speaker 2 There's no way. No.

Speaker 1 No way.

Speaker 2 But you know what? The league is not as physical as it used to be.

Speaker 1 It's true. You just saying 25 carries.
People listening right now are going to be like, what is he talking about? 25 carries. No one carries the ball 25 times.
And that was a light day for you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 It was. Anything less than 25 carries was a beautiful day.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes.

Speaker 2 I was used to 30, 35 times a game, sometimes 40. That's cool.

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Speaker 1 Now, here he is. More Eddie George.

Speaker 1 All right, so if you had to, if someone was let, say, Eddie George, and then the first line after would be the thing you're most proud of in your career, I have an answer for it that should be your answer, but I want to know your answer first.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Is it the Heisman?

Speaker 1 No, you can't do that. Is it the Heisman? Is it the Grobulls? Is it AFC champion?

Speaker 1 What would be the first thing?

Speaker 2 I would say the Heisman. Okay.
I would say that i mean that's that that that trophy is uh

Speaker 2 is probably the most prestigious uh

Speaker 2 award that you can win i believe in all of sports um because you have four years to try to get it done um it takes one special year to do it

Speaker 2 and uh the competition is

Speaker 2 is so thick and it takes it takes it's a team award really because you have to be on the right team at the right time and have the right moments to attain it.

Speaker 2 And there have been some awesome, awesome players, college Hall of Famers, as well as NFL Hall of Famers that that trophy has eluded. You know, look at Eric Dickerson.

Speaker 2 I think, you know, he should have probably won it when he was at SMU. Marshall Falk, you can see the same thing.

Speaker 2 But I was forced enough to win it. So, yeah, I would definitely say the highest.

Speaker 1 I'm curious to hear your views. Yeah, so that's incorrect.

Speaker 1 The answer should be, and this is going to be schooling some of our younger audience right now, but the answer should be the first cover athlete on Madden all time.

Speaker 1 Because that is iconic. And I think people are like, wait, no way was, yes,

Speaker 1 in the 90s, the cover of Madden was always Madden himself, and you were the very first player to be on the cover of Madden. And I remember that game so vividly and,

Speaker 1 you know, seeing the first player on it. So I think that should be the the answer.

Speaker 1 That's something that people should bring up more often: that now we're what year 20 of having cover, you know, athletes on the cover, but you were number one.

Speaker 1 You can only be one, there's only one, number one, and you were it.

Speaker 2 Yes, and you know what? I never thought of that as an accomplishment, but now that you mentioned it, you're absolutely correct. That is an iconic game, which I still play to this very day.

Speaker 2 My sons do it.

Speaker 2 If you go back to that first game that I was on, I mean, everybody looks the exact same. Running backs look like linemen, linemen look like corners, and everybody moves the same.

Speaker 2 The graphics are like this. Now you have this 3D world.
It's so virtual. It's cylindrical.

Speaker 2 It's amazing to look at the graphics. It looks so real.

Speaker 2 But you look at that game. It's like, yeah, that's a video game.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, I really

Speaker 1 do believe it. Like, that's something that, you know, there's been, what, 100 Heisman winners? There's only one guy who who was the first athlete on on one of the best video games

Speaker 1 yeah sports only 20 of them too right

Speaker 2 exactly i think you also were the inspiration for the truck stick weren't you i i may have been yeah i don't think there was a truck stick on the the prior one no i i think my truck i think my truck rating might have been uh a 98 yeah i believe uh My speed pissed me off, though.

Speaker 2 They pissed me off with the speed. I think they had made an 87.

Speaker 1 Oh, you got caught all the time by like defensive lineman

Speaker 1 well no in the game in the game in the game in the game in the game in the game

Speaker 1 in the game in the game that happened you were you were a part of uh i think my favorite collision in the history of the nfl the one with ray lewis I see that highlight all the time.

Speaker 1 You guys, that was when you guys were both like at the peak of your careers, both going downhill, right at each other, hit each other in the faces. It was just like a face-to-face smash.

Speaker 1 You fall out of bounds, you get up, and you just start barking barking at each other. Do you remember what you were screaming into his face and what he was screaming into your face right afterwards?

Speaker 2 I said, Ray, my God, what beautiful eyes you have. And the black paint under your eyes just really highlighted that much more.
You're a really lovely man.

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 it was the heat of the battle.

Speaker 2 You know, we've always had.

Speaker 2 battles like that. We've had several collisions before that.

Speaker 2 Some he won, some I won.

Speaker 2 And when we, in Baltimore and Tennessee played back then,

Speaker 2 it was a war, you know, and I truly mean that. Like it was a true battle.
It wasn't about the scoreboard. It was about hitting you with bad intentions.
And if we could take you out of the game,

Speaker 2 that was the victory, period, in the story. You know, that's how it was.
And if you lost your life that day, playing that team with one of us, it was fine. You were comfortable with that.
So

Speaker 2 that was one of our last battles. That was the last battle that I had with Ray in the Titans uniform.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 it was very emotional, you know, that day for me because I felt that that was my last year of the Titan. I knew it was going to be my last year in a Titan uniform.

Speaker 2 And I had, I remember, I dislocated my shoulder

Speaker 2 in the second quarter, and I thought it was done for the day. And I was so pissed off, I was like, I'll be damned.
There's no way, there's no way I'm going to miss this game because of my shoulder.

Speaker 2 I told him to strap this motherfucker up and let's go.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 You know, let's go after it. And if I die today, you know, trying to beat the Baltimore Ravens, so be it.

Speaker 2 But I was not going to leave that field, lose that game, or the image of me and that Titans uniform was not going to be of me walking to the locker room and holding my arm.

Speaker 2 It was going to be leaving that stadium victorious, and that's what it was.

Speaker 1 And I would imagine your durability. I mean, you never missed a start in your

Speaker 1 career with the Titans, Oilers slash Titans. And when we joke about the carries, I don't think people fully sometimes realize how crazy it was in the NFL, you know, 20 years ago.

Speaker 1 You had a year in 2000 when you had 400-plus carries, which is just stupid to think about now.

Speaker 1 What was the closest you were, though, to missing a start? Were you like, were there times where you're like, oh man, oh, yeah,

Speaker 2 oh, God, yeah. There was a few times.

Speaker 2 That year, I had

Speaker 2 a

Speaker 2 separated ridge.

Speaker 2 I had

Speaker 2 a sprained knee and a turf toe that I was fighting in 2000, but I had accumulated all those carries. And

Speaker 2 I was the walking wounded. And

Speaker 2 it was a game we played against

Speaker 2 the Washington Redskins on Monday night. And that's when I felt a pop in my foot and I could not walk the next day.
Wound up playing Baltimore the next week and I'm like, I don't know if I can play.

Speaker 2 There's no way for me to play.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I thought that I can practice all week long. I sat down during practice.
I got to the game day and I said, hey, if I can walk,

Speaker 2 I can play. So I wound up walking without my boot, felt good, strapped it up and went out there and lent my way to getting over 100 yards.

Speaker 2 And that's how I went for the most of the year. So I came very close to missing some games and shutting it down just to get healed of it.
Maybe I could have played a little bit longer and I did that.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 but I have no regrets.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Row 3 is crazy.
I would say that your career kind of disproves the existence of the Madden curse because if anybody was going to get cursed after that, it would be you being the first one.

Speaker 1 And how many years did you play after that?

Speaker 2 I played three more years.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And that was technically the Madden year.
That was the Madden year. Like, so 2001 was the cover, but it was the 2000 season.
And you have an incredible season that year.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, the Madden curse is kind of bullshit if you just look at the first year.

Speaker 2 That's what I said. I don't look at it that way.
But other guys, you know, they've gone through. Now, the following year, I had my worst

Speaker 2 season. I didn't wrestle 1,000 yards.
That was the only time I've never wrested for 1,000 yards in my entire career.

Speaker 2 with the exception of Dallas, which was like a pit stop and a cup of coffee.

Speaker 2 So I really don't count that one. But

Speaker 2 yeah, that was the only time I ever missed a game or missed a thousand yards.

Speaker 1 The Cowboys, I like forget that you're on the Cowboys. That's when they do the weird uniforms like Emmett Smith on the Cardinals or Randy Moss on the Titans.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Eddie George on the Cowboys is definitely feels weird.

Speaker 2 It was very weird from the beginning. And I remember looking in the mirror.
for a preseason game wearing the Dallas star and the

Speaker 2 white jersey, the blue numbers, the silver pants.

Speaker 2 And I grew up in Philadelphia, right? So I grew up hating Dallas. And I've always hated Dallas, but yet still, I'm like, God, what are you doing to me? I'm a Dallas cowboy.

Speaker 2 Like, this is, I can't embrace this. This is disgusting.
And I didn't feel, you know, how you say, when players say, you look good, you feel good, you play good. Well,

Speaker 1 I felt none of that and I did not play well at all. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So that's that's interesting to me because I wonder if there are other players out there that grow up as die-hard fans of super teams or like a specific team and then they join when they get to the NFL, they get drafted by their rival growing up.

Speaker 1 If there's like a small bit of them that looks into the mirror and is like, this doesn't, this doesn't feel right, you know? Because it's just human nature a little bit.

Speaker 2 It is. I mean, especially when you've been with the organization for, you know, five, six, seven plus years, eight plus years.
It's weird. But, you know, look at Tom Brady.

Speaker 2 He was with New England for nine, what, seven, 16 years and goes to Tampa Bay and feels comfortable in that environment, comfortable in

Speaker 2 the uniform and locker room and COVID time and with the Super Bowl. So I guess it works with different people.

Speaker 1 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 Can you just pretend that me and Big Cat are recruits? I want to hear your pitch as a head coach. You got to work on like living room presence.
It's something that we hear about all the time.

Speaker 1 So really? You come into our living room. I know we're probably outside your demographic as 35, 35, 36, 37-year-old white guys.

Speaker 1 No, absolutely not. If you want to just like give us the pitch, why should we go to Tennessee State?

Speaker 2 Well, first of all, Tennessee State, it's a wonderful university. It has great tradition.

Speaker 2 You're in a city of Nashville, Tennessee, which is probably the greatest city, one of the greatest cities in all the world, one of the greatest destinations.

Speaker 2 No state tax, ton fan base.

Speaker 2 We are building something special here from the ground up,

Speaker 2 something that you can definitely be a part of. You can go to Alabama, you can go to Ohio, you can go to all the other schools and walk into that tradition.

Speaker 2 But if you're going to be one of the pioneers of starting something fresh, something new from the ground up, come be a part of that.

Speaker 1 Can I give you a couple notes? Is that all right? Absolutely. Okay, first of all, you have to recruit the mom first.
You didn't say hi to mama. So,

Speaker 2 well, I don't see mama.

Speaker 1 I was looking at two 35-year-olds.

Speaker 1 It was a little rude to imply that we didn't have mothers.

Speaker 2 I'm talking to the guys in the middle of the moment.

Speaker 1 You also still have. I don't see a mom.
I don't see a sister. I don't see a grandma.
You still have your shoes on. What the hell? Take your shoes off when you come to the house.
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? That's not what you

Speaker 1 stripped down. Okay, I apologize.
Let me

Speaker 1 take off my shoes.

Speaker 1 Take off my short.

Speaker 1 My mom brought out the sweet tea, and you didn't even compliment her on a recipe. It was lipt-in, but you didn't even say it would taste too good.

Speaker 1 And then the other thing, you brought up state income taxes.

Speaker 2 Wink, gotcha say no more that's it right especially when we're walking into this image name and likeness era where you can get paid for that and what better place can you tell me any other college city in america where you can take advantage of your name image and likeness from marketing side to get a chance to keep you know most of your money

Speaker 1 austin exactly thank you go ahead yeah

Speaker 1 austin texas yeah yeah that's a good one that's a damn good one yeah

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was a good one. Yeah, it goes.
I had one last question. So you obviously played with Steve McNair, who's a legend of the game.
What was it like? Like, what was he like?

Speaker 1 I feel like that's another guy that to the younger audience, they don't remember watching him, and they might not remember how awesome it was and how different it was to watch a guy like Steve McNair play in

Speaker 1 his peak.

Speaker 1 What was it like being in the huddle with him and watching him play every single Sunday?

Speaker 2 Man, Steve, God,

Speaker 2 he was a

Speaker 2 country boy at heart.

Speaker 2 Never liked to live, never liked to work out, but was always in shape. Like, just one of those guys that was just naturally strong and strong-willed.

Speaker 2 Did anything, could do anything for anybody, give you the shirt off his back.

Speaker 2 He was sacrificed his body

Speaker 2 for the good of the team. And, God, I mean, he

Speaker 2 just his energy and his spirit in the huddle, you knew you had a chance to win every single game, no matter the situation.

Speaker 2 Um, just to have the confidence that, yo, this guy's gonna find a way to win the game.

Speaker 2 He could be throwing, he could maybe have thrown for like 80 yards during the whole course of the game through four forward is playing, having a piss-poor game.

Speaker 2 But if it comes down to that last-minute drive or that last, that one play, he was going to find a way to win. And you can see it in his eyes.
It just permeated throughout the team. So

Speaker 2 having played with Steve for most of my career, all of my career, was a tremendous honor. You know, he had a knack of

Speaker 2 eluding defenders and finding ways to

Speaker 2 extend plays was a quiet leader.

Speaker 2 But I tell you what, the man was just a joy to be around off the field as well. You know, he had some wonderful times together at the games talking and sharing a beer or two and telling stories.

Speaker 2 He always wanted me to come down to his farm in Mississippi with him and his brothers to have some moonshine.

Speaker 1 Oh, I bet that was a good thing. And,

Speaker 2 man, listen, you know,

Speaker 2 it was good. And I hate the fact that

Speaker 2 we can't share these.

Speaker 2 times now together, these stories together.

Speaker 2 This is what it's all about after you finish playing the game and sharing the stories of what it was like uh playing um uh being our teammates and playing in these games and the wars that we had and what we're doing now in our lives um you feel kind of cheated of that but um uh steve was just an awesome awesome player and i would advise any young kid to google steve air mcnair off corn state if you are going to see spectacular quarterback play he's like a man among men it was crazy watching him play yeah yeah one of the one of the best highlight uh tapes to watch is his is his college reel because you're right he was so much bigger but he was not only was he bigger and stronger he was more agile he was more nimble than these guys and he had a howitzer on his arm that year

Speaker 1 he did was he um the year that he got mvp he was the co-mvp

Speaker 2 with payton was hey manning you got to see him behind the scenes when he when he won that a little bit i would imagine was he was he excited about being co-mvp or was he like god damn it i wish i was the mvp he was he cried i mean he was excited uh we saw saw what he went through to get to that point i'm talking about the years prior to that you know there was a playoff game where in in our first playoff game against buffalo bills you can look this up i think he threw for under 100 yards the entire game didn't have the confidence to throw out a five-yard out

Speaker 2 and to mature into the quarterback that he was in terms of calling plays to line of scrimmage, checking into different plays, manipulating defenses and safeties and corners and all of that with his, his you know looking them off i mean he he became a master of his craft and when he won the mvp award we stood up uh applauded him for about 10 minutes it seemed like and uh he was truly overwhelmed by it truly overwhelmed so yeah he was very very thankful and happy that hey you know what he didn't mind sharing it with payton yeah yeah but i'm glad he got his just due yeah oh i forgot one last last question is the heisman that you won is the is it still broken from the x-ray machine?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 They fixed it that was fixed.

Speaker 2 I should have kept that

Speaker 2 because the middle finger on it was broken.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 it's a great story. Yeah, what was LaGuardia made you put it through the x-ray machine?

Speaker 2 They made me put it through the x-ray machine.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, dude, what the hell? I'm going to hijack a plane with a trophy.

Speaker 2 I'm looking at the security guy. He's looking at me.
And I'm like, there's a stare down. I'm like, I'm not going to put it in there.
So finally, the SID told me, he said, Eddie, just go ahead.

Speaker 2 We'll deal with it on the other side. So I'll walk through the security

Speaker 2 belt or excuse me, the x-ray deal, and I'm waiting on the other side for the trophy to come out. And it's the conveyor belt stops.
And I'm like, okay.

Speaker 2 And then he starts it again. It stops.
It's not going anywhere. It's not moving.
And then there's like this kind of a panic panic thing. And then he looks in the x-ray machine.

Speaker 2 He says, all right, push it. It's stuck.
So then he reaches inside, grabs it by the leg,

Speaker 2 and he says, all right, go ahead and move it forward. So he pushes it forward, doesn't move.
He says, okay, put it in reverse, put it in reverse, tries to unjam it, doesn't do it.

Speaker 2 And he's doing this for about five minutes, trying to pull them back and forth. He says, okay, let me get some Vaseline and put it on top of and around

Speaker 2 the x-ray deal. And so we can pull it out.
So after 10 minutes of this, I am clenching my butt cheeks, like, oh my God, he is destroying my trophy. What is it going to look like when he pulls it out?

Speaker 2 So he finally pulls it out and the middle finger is like bent backwards or forward like this.

Speaker 2 Because it's like this. And it's like the hand.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, okay, so who's going to pay for this?

Speaker 1 Are you?

Speaker 2 So instead of getting an argument, the Heisman Trust, they sent me a new one.

Speaker 2 And ironically, it became a Jeopardy question. Who is the only Heisman trophy winner to ever break his trophy?

Speaker 1 Yeah. And you didn't even break it.
You should have kept that, though. That CSA broke it.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I should have, right? I should have, but the Heisman, they have it. They still have the same trophy.
I should try to get it.

Speaker 1 That's wisdom later on, though, because

Speaker 1 as a 21-year-old and you just have the biggest moment. Big is the perfect thing, right? Yeah, you have the biggest moment of your life.
And and then all of a sudden the next morning the trophy breaks.

Speaker 1 Just so you know, we've had a few Heisman trophy winners on here. They take a lot better care of it now.
When Joe Burrow came into the studio after he won, they had like

Speaker 1 security team and a huge case.

Speaker 1 So I think that maybe that's another Eddie George, you know, rule afterwards, that they're like, you know what, we're not going to let this trophy break going through security at LaGuardia.

Speaker 1 It would have been very funny, though, like a Sports Center commercial, if Danny Werfel was behind you in line at LaGuardia as you're getting the trophy and he gets stuck, the entire line gets held up because your Eisman's in there.

Speaker 1 He's like, Come on, Eddie, moving.

Speaker 1 All right, you missed our flight. That's been great.
Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 Well, Coach, this has been awesome. We really appreciate your time.
Best of luck, and uh, and thanks for doing this.

Speaker 2 Hey, man, I enjoyed it, guys. Thanks a lot.
Have me on anytime you want me on.

Speaker 1 I love it. I will.
We'll take you up on that. Oh, and fuck Ohio State.
Just fuck Ohio State.

Speaker 1 I had to say go big blue.

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We have a Monday reading for the people.

Speaker 1 This one is, it's interesting. It's New York Times, so we're in the New York Times,

Speaker 1 and it is titled, What is Choogie? You know it when when you see it. Can you spell that for me? C-H-E-U-G-Y.

Speaker 1 And then underneath it says, out of touch, question mark, basic, question mark, a new term to describe a certain aesthetic is gaining popularity on TikTok.

Speaker 1 Thank you, New York Times, for reporting on this. Okay, here we go.
Okay, TikTok, I have a new word for you that my friends and I use that you clearly are all in need of.

Speaker 1 Haley Kane, 24, a copywriter in Los Angeles, says in a TikTok post posted on March 30th.

Speaker 1 In the video, she gestures to another video of a girl who is describing the type of people who get married at 20 years old or have millennial girl boss energy and who wonders, what do we call this kind of person?

Speaker 1 I never wondered what to call her. She just used a lot of different words that she already used.
Yeah, about all the girl boss. Girl boss, major girl boss energy.
Yeah, girl boss. I should think Hank.

Speaker 1 When I see girl boss energy, I'm like, that's a girl boss. Hank has girl boss energy sometimes.
But I mean, that's a compliment. Like, it's actually pretty sweet to see you operate your goals.
Thanks.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
I agree. Girl boss.

Speaker 1 All right. So she says, what? Are you okay? No, I'm fine.
No, you don't look fine. I meant it as a genuine compliment.
Like, girl boss is the best thing you can call somebody.

Speaker 1 I don't know how I could take it any other way.

Speaker 1 All right. So she goes on, I keep seeing videos like this, Miss Kane says in her TikTok.
The word, my friend, is chugi.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 It's not quite basic, which can describe someone who is a conformist or perhaps generic in their tastes. And it's not quite uncool.
It's not embarrassing or even always negative.

Speaker 1 Chugi, pronounced Chugi, can be used broadly to describe someone who is out of date or trying too hard.

Speaker 1 This is the New York Times writing this, but

Speaker 1 so does it. Is that cap, PFT? It's cap.
It's cap.

Speaker 1 On my binary system of cap, no cap, this is cap, sick time capital again.

Speaker 1 It's not, oh, so

Speaker 1 Chugi can be used broadly to describe someone who is out of date or trying too hard. Again, I can't say it.
New York Times is writing this out of date, trying too hard. New York Times.

Speaker 1 I would never, like, even, first of all, it's not that it offends me, like, the description. Well, it says

Speaker 1 TV, it says it's not supposed to be mean. No, it's not mean.
Even though it's very mean. It's not mean at all.
It's the meanest, non-mean word.

Speaker 1 I think the most chuggy thing you can do is to write an article about whether something is choogie or not. Right, exactly.
I agree.

Speaker 1 All right, it says, and while a lot of choogie things are associated with millennial women, Hank again, the term can give you a bunch of people. No, Hank's not a millennial woman.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying, like, girl boss, dude, being a girl boss, it has nothing to do with gender. It's girl boss energy.
Any gender can give off girl boss energy. What are some characteristics?

Speaker 1 Like, I'm a little bit confused. Just goals.
Yeah. Just goals.
Vacationing. Hard.

Speaker 1 When you vacation, you vacation hard. That's girl boss energy.
You're also like, you're a bad bitch that takes no prisoners. Mm-hmm.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. You get a little bit angry at us when you're in your period.

Speaker 1 All right. And while a lot of chugy things are associated with millennial women, this is the meanest, non-mean thing ever.

Speaker 1 The term can be applied to anyone of any gender and any age. It's not just a way to describe people according to people who've embraced the world.
Would you say even maybe like mid-30s white guys?

Speaker 1 Well, we're going to get there. The following are also choogy.
These are a list of things that are chewy. Okay.
The hype house. What is the hype house? That's Josh Richards and the Swayman.
Netflix.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, no, no, no. No, that's Netflix, right?

Speaker 1 They're the opposite. Brianna Chicken Fry told me it's Netflix.
They got a Netflix show. Hype House.
Yes. Okay.
Sway boys are their enemies. Thanks, Chicken Fry.
Golden Goose sneakers. Yep.

Speaker 1 Anything associated with barstool sports? Whoa. Damn.
Cap. Just fucking right at us.

Speaker 1 Gucci belts with the large double G logo. That's cool.
Well, why would you buy a Gucci belt and not get the Gucci belt that has the large double G?

Speaker 1 Be like going and get a fucking Ferrari and be like, you know what? Take that fucking horse off. I don't need the hood ornament.
Yeah. Yeah.
Get out of here. Like, you know what?

Speaker 1 I'll buy the Magnum Condoms, but you can put them in the regular size box. Yeah.
Dude, I wear a Mercedes-Benz fucking jumpsuit, and I don't own a Benz.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 So the Gucci belts with the large Double G logo. Being really into sneaker culture, that's another shot.
Ray Dunn Pottery, sorry, and anything Chevron. Now, I don't understand the gas part.

Speaker 1 You need the gas. If you get your gas from Chevron, you're chuggy, bro.
It is kind of a try-hard move when there's a lot of people who are

Speaker 1 a oil just down the street. Yeah, yeah.
The

Speaker 1 Ray Dunn Pottery, by the way, I looked it up.

Speaker 1 It's actually fucking fire. It's basically just pottery with just words on it.
So it's like cookies.

Speaker 1 And like, here's where you put your coffee beans. And it's fucking cool because everything's just

Speaker 1 out for you. Yeah.
Okay, I like that. Yeah.
It was off-white. Yeah, kind of.
Also, sneaker culture. Big cat, you have

Speaker 1 like the most shoes of anyone I know. Right.
And you work for for Barstool. So, yeah, I'm Chugi.
And everyone knows I walk around with Gucci belts. You're Chuki King.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 it's funny to me. And I always get Chevron.
So, yeah, obviously.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't be caught dead at a Texas king. Does Chevron have a shirtline I don't know about?

Speaker 1 This probably has nothing to do with the gas oil magnet.

Speaker 1 No, NASA just cool. NASA just hype.
Chevron, no cap.

Speaker 5 Wait, but this Chevron isn't capitalized.

Speaker 1 Are we sure they're talking about the gaps? Find it for us then. Is there another Chevron?

Speaker 1 noun. I have a feeling that this last minute of part of my take, when someone who knows what Chevron is is listening to it, we will never sound more out of touch than we do with it.

Speaker 1 But here's the thing. That doesn't make us choogie.
Right, because we're not trying to be a bit too hard than we would know already what that is. Well, no, if we were chuggy, we would be like,

Speaker 1 of course we know what chevron is. Just pretend that's a good idea.
That'd be a tryhard, right?

Speaker 1 I think I'm right. Really? What is it?

Speaker 5 A line or stripe in the shape of a V or inverted V, especially one on the sleeve of a uniform indicating rank or length of service.

Speaker 1 Right, Right, that's just a chevron pattern. So the chevron logo has that V on it.
Oh, it does. Yeah.
Yeah. So Chevron.
So no, but I think you might be right. I think

Speaker 5 the New York Times, AP style, they would have capitalized that C.

Speaker 1 Damn, if they were talking about the gas style, Jake is right when AP is

Speaker 1 MLA bitches. Yeah, you spell out the one through nine.
You don't write the number.

Speaker 1 That's so true. Good point.
All right, so Chevron, not the gas. Oh, I think

Speaker 1 you see Chevrons on a lot of shirts and like soccer jerseys. Right.
They might just be like the pattern on a shirt is chuggy. Damn.
Which I kind of agree with. That is chugging.
Okay.

Speaker 1 One of my friends, this is a quote from Ms. Kane, by the way, on her TikTok.
One of my friends said lasagna is chooky.

Speaker 1 Who doesn't think lasagna is choogy? Basically.

Speaker 1 What is it? The second layer of pasta and cheese where you're like, this is now becoming chugged. That is actually tried.

Speaker 1 If you're actually breaking it down, just how it works, like if you just eat spaghetti, that's normal.

Speaker 1 But the minute you start adding extra cheese and extra layers of pasta, it's like that is trying too much. Twice-baked potato.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I, all right, when it comes to lasagna, I think lasagna can be chuggy if you go to like a trendy restaurant and they're like, this is our vegan lasagna, where all the different layers are like shaved eggplant that's been baked.

Speaker 1 And when they try to add ingredients that have no business around a lasagna, I think grandma's lasagna, like imagine telling an old Italian grandmother that you're not going to eat her lasagna because it's chuggy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. She just smack you in the

Speaker 1 throat with a spoon.

Speaker 1 You're such a normie grandma. All right.
Things that are decidedly un-chugy, according to these people, are thrifting, making your own clothes, handmade products. This sucks.

Speaker 1 You basically have to just work your ass off.

Speaker 1 You have to work in a sweatshop to be un-choogy. Or you have to be like a Native American 400 years ago.
Yeah. Levi's jeans, Birkenstocks, home decor not found at Target,

Speaker 1 looking good for yourself and not caring what other people think. That confidence exudes non-chooginess.
I'm just going to throw this out there.

Speaker 1 Whenever someone actively says, I don't care what everyone thinks, you care what people think. Absolutely.
100% of the time you say it. You're like, yeah, look at these.
These jeans don't really fit.

Speaker 1 I look kind of frumpy in them. I don't care what people think.
Yeah, you do.

Speaker 1 I think that it is the peak of chuginess to go to somebody's house, look at their decorations, and then like turn, you see a live, laugh, love poster on the wall, and you're like, Where did you get that?

Speaker 1 And they're like, if they say anywhere but Target, then you're like, okay, it's cool as fuck. Yeah, right.
But if they say Target, no, I'm out.

Speaker 1 If you have one of those like old French martini posters on your wall, you better fucking get that at Walmart. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's also funny because in like six months or whatever, it's like those things that they're saying will like once other people think they're cool. Correct.
Are like outdated.

Speaker 1 And then Target home decor walks you become cool. Yes.

Speaker 1 Because it's like, you know, ironic. That's essentially all internet culture is hating things and then eventually loving it because you've convinced everyone else to hate it.

Speaker 1 Well, it's your group of friends.

Speaker 1 all being on the same level and agreeing to hate certain things at certain times and then you move on like a pack together and then when a pack reaches your former level of irony right you hate those people this is what happened to Nickelback that was you right five years ago

Speaker 1 Smash the Dragons yes yeah the office I think is like the only thing that

Speaker 1 outweighs it.

Speaker 1 Chugi-proof.

Speaker 1 If you still watch it, it's still funny objectively, but there's like corny-ass memes and shit about it. But it's still very good.
Chugy proof. I have seen some

Speaker 1 chugie backlash to The Office for the gifts and the memes. I have seen that.
It's a basic bitch thing. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
But

Speaker 1 if you watch it, it's like objectively funny. I noticed they didn't say under the list of chugie things, coffee memes, so I think I'm good.
No, you're good.

Speaker 1 I think that one is like two levels behind on the irony. I did like you laughed the irony on us.
The person who called me out was like, this is Facebook mom status memes. I was like, oh, really?

Speaker 1 So you just got that?

Speaker 1 But okay. So the person who's writing this, I think we've all kind of been in her shoes before, where

Speaker 1 if you are online, you just want to feel like you're smarter. and better in a different way than somebody that you already don't like.

Speaker 1 So she found people that she already doesn't like on TikTok, and she's like, I'm going to create an entire thing in my head so I can point at them be like, this is why they're bad.

Speaker 1 You're just desperately trying to get on the inside of the joke. Yes.
At all times. But you can't.

Speaker 1 It's one of those things where like you can't be a writer for New York Times and be like cool on TikTok. Correct.
Or never gonna have to. You can report on the trends.
All right, so let's pick it up.

Speaker 1 So all those things were said by Gabby Rasson, 23, a software developer in Los Angeles, who coined the term. She said she started using the word back in 2013 while attending Beverly Hills High School.

Speaker 1 This is what I've been telling you about California teenagers. They fucking create words and then they just label you with them.
And they're like, that means you're not cool.

Speaker 1 But she wanted a way to describe people who were slightly off trend, but she couldn't quite come up with the right term. So she created her own.
It was a category that didn't exist, she said.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you made up a fucking word. There was a missing word that was on the edge of my tongue and nothing to describe it.
And Chugi came to me. How it sounded fit the meaning.

Speaker 1 Also, here, there's an Instagram account called Chug life

Speaker 1 and it has uh instagram chugi instagram captions listed 20 fun on 21st birthdays i'm feeling 22 on 22nd birthdays thank you next life's a beach i did a thing after dying or cutting your hair

Speaker 1 i thought you meant i thought you meant dying like no that would be funny if you died

Speaker 1 i did a thing

Speaker 1 dying is actually dying is the most choogie thing because guys quick update i die

Speaker 1 dead you make all your friends like come to a party for you when you're not even there?

Speaker 1 All right, so the word spread among her classmates and camp friends. And when her friends went off to college, it took off on their campuses.
Everyone in our sorority knows the word choogie.

Speaker 1 Isn't being in sorority kind of choogie? Yes. It absolutely is, right? I think everything can be chugged.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Everything can be choogie if somebody dislikes you enough to want to force you into a chuggie. Chugi, yeah, right.

Speaker 1 Said Abby Siegel, a producer and former student at the University of Colorado Buffalo, or Boulder, who said she learned the phrase at a summer camp that Ms. Rassin also attended.
Wow.

Speaker 1 But Chugi was in no way mainstream until Miss Kane posted her TikTok.

Speaker 1 You know what the coolest thing to do on the internet is? Is fucking find the root person for every single phrase. This sounds awesome.
All right.

Speaker 1 It quickly amassed hundreds of thousands of views, inspiring explainers. Though Chugi has slight negative connotations, I'd say more than that.

Speaker 1 People who use the term said they often identify as Chugi themselves. Oh, this is like, hey, I can make fun of it because I'm also half Chugi.
Well, my mom was a a Choo.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's either that or like, we're taking back the word. It's our word.

Speaker 1 That is such a cop-out.

Speaker 1 You can't call me Chugi anymore because you're not Chugi.

Speaker 1 A bunch of California teenagers made a word to basically call everyone in the rest of the country lame.

Speaker 1 But they're like, but this one time, I bought a throw pillow from Target, so I can do this. Listen, my dad died, okay? So we have

Speaker 1 the ultimate ghosting move. I've got Chugi in my blood.
Yeah, my dad died, and his last words were, I did a thing.

Speaker 1 Everyone can be chugged said miss segal everyone has something choogie in their closet we didn't intend for it to be a mean thing some people have claimed that it is it's just a fun word we used as a group of friends that somehow resonated with a bunch of people i think my bullshit my biggest complaint all this is uh if you're going to invent a word and take credit for it have it be a better word the word itself is chugging yeah like chugi the word is fucking chugy also just be mean about it you want to be mean about it we know you want to be mean about it don't fucking say like oh we can all be chuggy you're sugarcoating it yeah yeah The women also don't claim to be the arbiters of the term.

Speaker 1 It's also totally open to your interpretation, said Ms. Kane.
That's such a girl boss.

Speaker 1 Send something to our group chat and be like, is this chugi? And some will say yes, and some will say no. Michael Cotis, 24, an actor in Los Angeles, how's that going for you, dude?

Speaker 1 Discovered the word on TikTok and it immediately resonated as a niche descriptor. I was like, oh my god, this is the perfect word.

Speaker 1 He said, it is a certain subgroup of people that just don't quite get it. I'm actually I'm actually gonna disagree, Michael.
I think we totally get it.

Speaker 1 We like the things we like, and if they're lame, we don't fucking care. Mountain Chug.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what the fuck? Yeah, listen. That guy was mean.

Speaker 1 That guy had some girl boss energy. This guy,

Speaker 1 he, this guy's very much still in search of his own identity.

Speaker 1 He's a 24-year-old aspiring actor in Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but the only thing that makes him be able to fall asleep at night is to be able to laugh in his head and be like, did you see that mom on Facebook from Columbus, Ohio? What a chew.

Speaker 1 Yeah, did you, yeah, did you see like the family I went by in the park and their kids weren't wearing Levi's? Yeah, and they had a Gucci stroller.

Speaker 1 Like, I can't imagine being like sinking myself to that level. At the end of the day, it's just about people wanting to feel like they're superior to somebody because they have a label for you.

Speaker 1 They're chewed. All right, Alex Lugger, 32.

Speaker 1 Are they trying to make people brand themselves or like carry papers? I don't know. Always identify themselves as Chukes.
All right, this one, this guy doesn't really fit in, but I love it.

Speaker 1 Alex Lugger, 32, a boat maker in Springfield, Missouri.

Speaker 1 That doesn't fit. The teenager from Beverly Hills High School and the actor, 24-year actor in Los Angeles, said that she self-identifies as a bit choogy.

Speaker 1 She also, I mean, I would think living in Missouri makes you chuggie. You can't be a bitch.
It's like being pregnant. You're either pregnant or you're not.
Right.

Speaker 1 That's the thing they're doing to you, Alex. You don't understand.
Just the fact that you live in Missouri means that the coast, you know, the L.A. people think you're a choke.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and they're making you, what they're doing is they're making you hate your own culture. Correct.
Correct. She also learned about the word through TikTok.

Speaker 1 We were basic in our 20s, and now we're choogy in our 30s. Ooh, I like that.
That's actually... I like that.
Yeah, yeah. If you can't handle me at my most basic, you can't...
Or no, what is it?

Speaker 1 If you don't love me at my basic, you don't deserve to hate me at my chew. Chook.

Speaker 1 So what happens in your 40s? I think you die. You just die.
Yeah, you die.

Speaker 1 Choogi is just the latest in a long line of niche identifiers that have gained traction on the internet where people relentlessly categorize highly specific archetypes in starter pack memes and videos.

Speaker 1 It's no coincidence that Chugi gained traction on TikTok, a platform that has functioned as an escape from Instagram's once dominant aesthetic, which is the pinnacle of Chugi. Oh, fuck.

Speaker 1 Live fast, die basic, and leave a Chugi-looking corpse. Damn,

Speaker 1 Instagram is the Chugist.

Speaker 1 Kelly Wright, an experimental sociolinguist and PhD candidate at the University of Michigan, already can tell she's a chuge, who studies language, said that with the rise of social media, we...

Speaker 1 See, this is where New York Times, like,

Speaker 1 they just were writing, they're like, hey, let's write about this stupid word that TikTok made up. And now she's got to fucking interview a PhD person.

Speaker 1 Come on. I think what we're all dancing around here a little bit is like they're just trying to think of different ways to describe Salt Bay.
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 And they finally came up with a label for him. Congratulations.
All right, I'm skipping her.

Speaker 1 Let's see. Let's see.

Speaker 1 She says a lot of shit. And for any millennials worried about being behind the trends, that's us, Ms.
Kane said, not to worry.

Speaker 1 I think millennials have noticed that some things we use to consider chugi are coming back in style and aren't chugi anymore.

Speaker 1 She said, when I was first introduced to the word in 2015, low-rise genes were chugi. Now six years later, low-rise genes are back in style, and I don't think they're choogie anymore.

Speaker 1 That's a great way to end this piece. That, like, you know, know,

Speaker 1 everyone gets a second shot when they're labeled with chugi. And nature is healing.
Like, the cyclical nature of the chug.

Speaker 1 We need one person that's in charge of determining where the chugi line is drawn at any given point. Like, who's the most millennial ass Southern California? Ryan Rossillo.
Ryan Rosillo.

Speaker 1 The Chugi guy. He's definitely a millennial.
But yeah.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 whatever Ryan happens to be into at that time, that is now Chugi. Yeah, that's true.
So just weightlifting is Chugi. Weightlifting is Chugi now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, keeping your body in good physical health, kind of a try-hard move. Would you say this, we have a lot of choog on this podcast? Yeah, I say it's

Speaker 1 we're chug forward. Yeah, we have a we have a

Speaker 1 way too much chug. We're overflowing with chuge.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't want to be anything but chuke. Honestly, like it basically says that you kind of know what's cool, but you're late on everything.
You know, and I'm cool with.

Speaker 5 Literally, anything associated with Barstill is

Speaker 1 true definition. Well, PMT isn't really part of Barcelona.
True. The difference is that what you just said and described, I think you might be so chugged that you're not choogy.
Really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Self-awareness of choogie.

Speaker 1 You've achieved the singularity where, you know, how like computers one day will achieve like oneness with the human brain? Yeah. That's what you've just done with the choog.

Speaker 1 You might have just killed chug. Yeah.
You're right.

Speaker 1 I've

Speaker 1 just killed choog.

Speaker 1 I do think that Target has very affordable home decor.

Speaker 1 Oh, if you're decorating a dorm suite or one of your first apartments out of college, you can't go wrong with their posters.

Speaker 1 It's also, when you really break it down, what they're doing is they're basically just being like

Speaker 1 poor people are gross. Yeah, it's like ew, ew, ew.
You got your fucking couch from Target. It's a million ways to be like, oh, that

Speaker 1 cast iron tree, oak tree that you hang on your wall that says nothing is important to me as family and my home.

Speaker 1 The fact that you paid under $500 for that means that you're worse nine. Live, laugh, love.
Could you imagine being poor? Fuck that.

Speaker 1 All right. That's our show.
We got an awesome interview coming on Wednesday.

Speaker 1 Yeah, get excited for that. And then we got some stuff coming on Friday.
Chewy ass show.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's right. We have a very choogy guest on Wednesday.
Very chuggy guest. You guys will love it.
All right. Numbers.
40. 18.
8.

Speaker 1 96.

Speaker 1 Do we have a 69 ball in there? No, but we'll make one. That's fine.
69 is actually a 2D number.

Speaker 1 42. Ooh, so close.
Jackie Robinson dead. I'm knocking it.

Speaker 1 First timer. You want to do Animal Facts, Jake?

Speaker 1 You got it.

Speaker 1 Jackie Robinson. I saw a Doge dog today.

Speaker 1 Haven't you been seeing the Doge dog? I've seen it a couple times. Doge is up big over the weekend.
I think that's the signal. The mantle strip.
Hold on, time on. We're halfway to the moon.

Speaker 1 Okay, we're on the ground nervous. Why? You seeing a doge dog and doge going up is pretty much the greatest sign that we're living in the matrix.
Yeah. That would happen to Neo.
That's true.

Speaker 1 That's a glitch.

Speaker 1 You're not supposed to see the Doge dog. That's a good point.

Speaker 1 Or if I do see it, I should not talk about it.

Speaker 5 The Mantha shrimp has the world's fastest punch.

Speaker 1 Wait, say it again? The Mantha shrimp has the world's fastest punch. That's a fucking sick.

Speaker 1 Oh, thanks. Yeah, that's a sick fact.
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