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It's very confusing, but not confusing at all. It also means absolutely nothing.
Correct.

But that's the best part about grading the drafts.

We have that. We are going to talk some Kentucky

Derby. Shout out our guy Randy Moss.

We have an awesome,

awesome interview with Eddie George.

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May 3rd, and congratulations

everyone, we are still

alive. Fuck you, Kyle Shanahan.

Most of us. Jimmy Garoppolo still hasn't

responded to my inquiry. By the way,

Jimmy hasn't tweeted since 2019.

But guess what, PFT?

Jimmy G got, he did an old

vet move, so when they

drafted Trey Lance, the first story out from the Niners camp, from I think John Lynch reported it, Jimmy G was the first one to text Trey Lance. I imagine he just said, get out.
Yeah. Leave.
I imagine that John Lynch probably just had a burner phone and was like, what up, Trey? It's Jimmy G. Love to take you under my wing, dude.
So I'm a little bit concerned about Trey Lance because for all the talk of Kyle Shanahan and whether or not he was going to murder Jimmy Garoppolo, you do have to ask, like we talk about coach-killing quarterbacks, right? He might be a quarterback killer. If you go back and you look at the quarterbacks that have played under Kyle Shanahan, they put up good stats occasionally, but then after he leaves, it all goes to shit.
So he's had Johnny Manziel, RG3, that's Rex Grossman III, also the other RG3, John Beck, Matt Schaub, Matt Ryan, who never won another MVP after Kyle Shanahan, and then Jimmy Garoppolo. And then he's had some backup guys that he's able to do.
He's the best backup quarterback coach of all time. Yes, but if you just have his system, you'll be good.
You'll be good. You'll be good.
For as long as he's there until he decides that it's time to take you behind the shed. Yeah.
Also, shout out Chris Sims, who I listened to his show on Friday with our internet uncle slash what is he to me? Internet godfather? No, he's uncle to me, dad to you. He's my internet father.
Chris Sims, it was very clear that Kyle Shanahan and the 49ers did do a good job of telling absolutely no one because I think Chris Sims was like, this is really fucked up. I have this guy's initials on my ankle and he didn't tell me that they were taking Trey Lance.
Also, the 49ers, how would you feel about this? You're Trey Lance. You get drafted number three overall.
You get a text from Jimmy G right away. You're feeling good.
Then in the third round, the 49ers draft a different Trey. I don't know.
That would kind of piss me off. Yeah, Trey power rankings.
Yeah, you've got to be the only Trey drafted by your team. It would just suck if you had to figure out a whole new set of nicknames for yourself when you got into the NFL nfl but i'm sure they like they give you those when they haze you yes uh but yeah chris sims actually proved that kyle shanhan was right to not tell him yes because kyle shanhan was like yeah we're best friends we played football together at texas uh we have each other's initials tattooed on our calves and i bet you if i tell him who i'm thinking about drafting he'll probably go on his national media platform and say it, which to be fair to Chris Sims, that's kind of his job.
His job. And then sure enough, that's exactly what happened.
So it actually proved that Kyle Shanahan was right to lie to his best friend and everything worked out perfectly. But if you're Chris Sims, I guess, you know what? He's never going to trust anybody ever again.
No. Chris Sims' little heart is broken into a million pieces.
You could tell in his voice that it was broken. All right, so draft grades.
So I saw on Twitter someone named Rene, I'm going to butcher his last name, Bugner, it's Bugner, Rene Bugner, compiled these. So combined 18 evaluations.
So how it worked was essentially just what the 18 grades were and then combined all of them and gave each team a GPA. So, and it has, I'm just reporting it, the Bears at number one, 3.99, which seems a little ridiculous.
Wait, what was it, 3.199? 3.99. So they do actual GPA grades.
This is so... Which as we discussed...
Well, he took everyone's grade, and then he put it 18 grades, and then added all of them. Okay.
And then the Texans got a 1.88 grade. That was the worst draft.
The Texans and the Seahawks should just have gone pass-fail. Yeah.
Or just incomplete. The Texans, I think they kind of admitted that Deshaun Watson's not going to be their quarterback when they drafted Davis Mills.
Maybe. We still don't know.
They didn't have a first-round pick because they'd never have first-round picks. And then they took Davis Mills with their first pick, being like, we need a quarterback now.
It was such a sad pick, though. Because nobody...
I think Davis Mills is a quarterback. He was the number one rated high school prospect when he went to college.
Yes, big time. Anytime you get somebody at Stanford, you have to ask the question if they're too smart.
You don't want free thinkers in the NFL. Or if they're Kevin Hogan.
You have to ask that question as well. How do you spell your first name? They all are the same guy.
Right, they are. But in the NFL.
Or if they're Kevin Hogan. Yes.
You have to ask that question as well. Are you Kevin Hogan? How do you spell your first name? Because they all are the same guy.
Right, they are. But in the Texans' circumstance, it's like they kind of admitted that they need a new quarterback, but they didn't try to make any moves.
Right. But I guess they couldn't make any moves, so it was just like the saddest draft pick of all time.
Right, exactly. And so that was the range.
A lot of consensus is saying the Browns, the Chargers, the Jets, the Dolphins, the Patriots all had very good drafts. The Lions, who Dan Campbell, Man Campbell, just took – I think his first three picks were offensive line, defensive line, defensive line.
Yep. Then cornerback, and then he did take a wide receiver in the fourth, but then followed up with an inside linebacker.

So he knows he is really going to get the kneecap eaters.

Dan Tallica, the behind-the-scenes phone calls that he was making to the players when he

was drafting, they were the best.

Because if you think John Gruden says the word man frequently, it is probably at least

three or four times more frequent in Dan Campbell's vernacular.

He just talks to people.

He's like, man, you know what he says? He goes, man, we're pumped. We're real pumped.
I got to tell you, I am so pumped, man. Are you pumped? I'm pumped, man.
Yeah, I'm pumped. Are you pumped to be here? And then his GM goes over and just smashes his desk.
Those type of guys always have to check everyone else's pump meter. What's the pump level? Like, hey, are you pumped to be here? Jake, are you pumped right now? You better be pumped.
I'm so excited. You don't look, I didn't ask if you were excited.
I asked if you were pumped. Yeah, I'm pumped.

Yeah. I'm pumped!

Oh, shit. Alright, we're going to have to change that

so people don't hate Jake there for that one.

But it's good that you're pumped. Yeah, he is

pumped. Man Campbell, he's pumped, man.

I'm pumped that we're getting you with our pick, man.

You're just, you're going to pump this franchise

up so much. You're rebuilding.
And I,

my favorite part actually about that entire phone call

was when he put the owner of the team on the phone to talk. Yes do you say to the owner of the team after they draft? I'm fucking pumped.
Thank you. I'm pumped.
My other favorite phone call was when the Cardinals drafted the guy from Tulsa, who I think might be my favorite guy in the draft, Zayven Collins, because the first thing Zayven Collins said to Steve Kime was I'm fucking kill everybody. Yes.
We're going to fucking kill people. We're going to get a ring that a show dog couldn't jump over.
I don't know what that means, but I believe him now. And that dude is a model.
He's 6'5", 260. And besides him, I've noticed that the Cardinals are kind of dedicated to rebuilding their franchise using short kings.
Yes. So Andy Isabella, Tyler Murray.

It makes sense.

You draft a quarterback that is short.

It's kind of like how Tom Cruise will never be in a film with anyone taller than him.

You can't have people taller than Kyler Murray.

You need to make him feel like the biggest man in the room.

And then Rondale Moore, that's the guy from Purdue, right?

Yep, he's awesome.

Short king that squats like 700 pounds or whatever.

He is awesome.

It's partially that you don't want Kyler to be shorter than all of his receiving options. One or two if Larry's out there.
Like, Larry Fitzgerald's butt is taller than Kyler Murray. Yeah.
But I think it's also Cliff Kingsbury just wanting to look tall for all the pictures that he posts on Instagram. Yes.
He's like, look how big I am. Don't I look huge? I'm a big, strong man.
The other quote we had was from

this guy, basically.

Dan Campbell probably gave him an

extension the minute he said this, but new

Lions defensive tackle. Levi,

I'm going to butcher his last name. Can you help me?

Jake

Onwuzurike

said, I like fucking people up.

I like pushing them back two to three yards and

making them feel like shit. That's a man Campbell guy.
That right there's a man. That alone is the draft.
I'm seriously rooting with every fiber of my body for the Detroit Lions to be a good football team under Dan Campbell. I want him to succeed.
Because the dude, he's a content machine. Yeah, yeah.
Did I even come close? Onwa Zarike. There we go.
Onwa Zarike. The Bears took an offensive line, which, so I'm ready to talk about the love that Ryan Pace is getting.
That is over, that's too much. Ryan Pace did what he had to do to keep his job at this point.
So it's like, oh my God, look, he traded up for an offensive lineman in the second round that everyone thought was going to be a first rounder. No shit.
He's got to win now. Yeah.
Because if he doesn't win now, he's fired and he doesn't give a fuck about next year's draft. I had a moment of clarity over the weekend regarding my raining on your parade on the draft on Thursday.
There's that commercial. It's the Geico Ants commercial.
We have ants in our house. It's probably not Geico, but you know the one with all the ants that you're talking about? And the one lady's like, wow, this has certainly got a big house here.
Hope you can keep it clean. That's pretty much what I did to you where I was like, you've got a great quarterback.
It's tax guy, too. Be a shame if his ribs broke again.
It's tax guy. When someone signs a $100 million contract, you're like, but after agent fees and taxes, that's only like $40.
Exactly. No, I'm still still very very pumped about justin fields it's uh i think it tells you more about like bear fandom and the bears franchise that i could absolutely say without a doubt the happiest i've been in a very long time was because of a draft pick like that draft pick had me on cloud nine i woke up with a smile on my face on friday i'm just like i almost don't even want to take my my precious little Justin Fields doll out of the box.
Because the idea of what he could be is probably better than what... And he's got swag, dude! Think about it this way.
The Bears' swaggiest quarterback since Jim McMahon, who did have undeniable swag, was a guy whose main characteristic was just being a dickhead. Todd Collins.
Jay Cutler. And I love Jay, but the reason why everyone loves Jay is because he says whatever he wants.
Justin Fields has swag. He has swag.
You guys, I feel like it's kind of revisionist history, though. When you guys got Khalil Mack, there was a buzz and there was a feeling like, all right, we're destined for a championship.
Remember what happened week one?

That was the best half that I've been happy for.

And then Aaron Rodgers shit down my throat.

Khalil Mack, he was the missing piece that was going to push you over the top.

It's also how different it is.

That's really what it comes down to is like Justin Fields is totally different than anything

the Bears have ever had.

And yeah, partially that is like the fact that the Bears just historically have never

had black quarterbacks. But like it's just the running ability, the passing ability, like a big time.
A guy who, as of, you know, when we were watching the semifinals, it was a legit debate. Like he might become the number one drafted quarterback.
Then Zach Wilson, you know, did a couple fucking baseball throws against Troy. And everyone was like, man, he's the best.
Well, no, it was the pro day. It was Zach Wilson's pro day that turned over.
I'm excited. I know it's going to probably fail, but that's why you got to enjoy.
You know what it reminds me of, Hank, it reminds me of when Wisconsin beat Kentucky in Indianapolis. I said to you, I'm going to party my face off because I'll never be back here.
You got to enjoy the moments when you have happiness knowing that you'll probably never have that happiness again. And then they lost to Duke.
So there you go. It's like a Lamborghini that you have in your garage that you're afraid to take out.
Yeah, I just want to look at it. I just want to fucking look at it.
Take pictures of it. Have your friends come over, talk about how cool it is.
We have a new nickname alert, by the way. This is such a sign of Dave Gettleman being such a stick in the mud, but I kind of love him.
Dave Gettleman, his entire career as a GM, so obviously Panthers and Giants, never traded in the draft. He traded his first two picks back down, so he got more picks in return, one with the Bears, and now his new nickname in the room was Trader Dave.
That's it. That you got it.
You didn't we just take Trader Dave out of the Splash Mountain ride. Oh, yeah.
Isn't that the one? Yeah. No.
Oh, fuck. You can't sailor.
Sailor Sam. Trader Sam.
Maybe Trader Sam. Trader Sam.
But it's it. You know that you're like it's basically Dave Gettleman has been doing missionary his entire life.

And one time he does reverse cowgirl and be like, Dave Gettleman fucks like a porn star.

Doggy Dave.

It's crazy.

Yeah, so the Giants, they did all kinds of moves.

I'm looking at who they picked up this year.

I kind of like their draft.

Again, none of this matters.

No, it doesn't matter at all.

If you look at the Nate Sudfeld game, the impact that that game is going to have In the NFC beast for years to come Is actually kind of crazy That's our Elijah Moore dog pissing thing It's just rolling Nate Sudfeld out on the game In week 17 I wish we had Rick Riley I wish he was still alive Because that would be a great lead-in To a Monday Night Football game in five years against the Washington football team and the Giants being like these two franchises all because of one player. Did you see what Trevor Lawrence said about Jacksonville? No.
This is nice because I like Duvall and I like Jags fans because they do stand up for their city because they get shit on a lot. It's always been like, when are you going to move to London? Are you putting in a hotel tax or is that going to keep you around or are you drafting another city? They get shit on a lot you know it's always been like when are you going to move to london uh you put in a hotel tax or was that is that going to keep you around or you draft another shit they get shit on a lot oh you get an sdd if you go in their pool which is confirmed uh allegedly my eyes have had herpes ever since yeah so uh they were asking trevor lawrence like do you think that you'll be able to like maximize the impact of your brand playing in a small market And he goes, well, actually, if you look at the stats, by area, Jacksonville is one of the largest cities in the United States.
And he's like, I don't know what small market you're talking about. We're talking square miles.
I like that. He's like busting out the electoral map.
When they show up, they're like, look at all this land out here. This is mine.
That's what Trevor Lawrence is doing. I actually like Trevor Lawrence in Jacksonville.
I like him working with Urban Meyer. I keep going back and forth, and I don't like Urban Meyer, but I think Trevor Lawrence is going to be good enough to make Urban Meyer's NFL career appear successful in hindsight.
The one thing I don't understand with the Jaguars draft is they – I read a story that they basically were in love with cadarius tony who which makes sense florida guy wide receiver like super speedster an urban meyer like a guy urban meyer would know how to scheme and and and use well they loved him and then the giants took him at 20 and they took uh travis etn yeah etn at 25 it's like if you them so much, running back is the one position you don't take in the first round. I know there's...
Obviously, people can go back and forth. I think Najee Harris is going to be very good.
I think Etienne's going to be very good. Playoff line is a Super Bowl champion.
Playoff line is a Super Bowl champion. First round pick.
Yeah, like it's... I don't know.
It just feels like the running back position, you can usually find a guy who's 90% the abilities of a first-round guy in the third and fourth. But did he play with Trevor Lawrence in college, Big Cat? That's true.
Good point. Never mind.
You're right. You're right.
It goes back to what we were saying on Friday. Sometimes it's good to just have one of your high draft picks have a buddy waiting for him.
Just have him. He's got a friend waiting for him.
He doesn't have to go through it. He doesn't have to be lonely.
Yeah, although you know Urban Meyer is going to be like, Trevor, I'm your friend. Yeah.
We've got to be friends. It's not like college anymore.
We've got to be friends first. I'm not like other coaches.
I'm a cool coach. Yeah, let's just hang out.
Urban Meyer gets a dangly earring and a necklace. Oh, here was a fun fact.
Ready for this one? I still can't believe this. So the Bears took Virginia Tech running back, Khalil Herbert, Herbair, if you want to go French on it.
I do. And the fact was, so Khalil has 11 toes.
He has 11 toes. That's a crazy fact in its own run.
So he's faster. He's faster.
When he was at Kansas, he transferred from Kansas to Virginia

Tech. Puka Williams

was in the backfield. Puka Williams had an

accident when he was growing up with a lawnmower.

Puka Williams has a total

of five toes.

So they had two running backs with a total of 16

toes. How do you have a running back

that only has five toes?

And then in the same backfield

running back with 11 toes. Jesus

Christ. That's just a crazy...

That draft got an A-plus from Rex Ryan. Dude, 11 toes? Well, not the five-toe.
Not the five-toe guy. But the 11-toe, so is it an extra pinky toe? I think he had...
I think it's a fairly common thing where you have... I think he had six fingers, too, but he got one removed.
Why would you get it taken off? I don't know. I don't know.
He probably – Probably you're not a freak. Probably can't make – People don't make fun of you.
Probably can't find good receiver gloves. Yeah.
You have six on them. Yeah, that would absolutely be it.
But yeah, 11 toes and five toes. So he's definitely better at cutting back.
That's an advantage from the running back position. And I've always loved Virginia Tech.
Everyone knows that. Yeah, everyone knows it.
More player for you to tackle, though. Yes.
If you have an extra appendage. More players for more toes to get turf toe.
Yeah. That's a problem.
That's the most deadly disease. That's why you've got to get Puka Williams.
He's half as likely to get turf toe. I would love that.
Statistically. Yeah, and athlete's foot.
Mm-hmm. All right.
Other things, other draft notes. Oh, I saw...
The Rams portrait of Roger Goodell. Yeah.
I thought that was extremely classy. Yep, so we have one coming.
And then the Saints... Chelsea.
The Saints did a little trolling of the Rams and of Goodell the next day. They hung up a picture in the background of Secretariat, where the picture of Goodell would have been.
It would have been better if it was the clown picture of Goodell that they had put up there. But Sean Payne is just, he's addicted to fucking with the league office.
Yes. You guys are 100% certain it was trolling, right, by the Rams? Yes.
It has to be. Yes.
Or it's the greatest suck-up of all time. Well, I think because I think it all goes back to the NFC Championship.
That's where it kind of makes sense, where it was the Rams and the Saints. Yeah.
Because Goodell gave them the win. The Saints got fucked.

Yeah.

Interesting.

So I actually, I've never seen that picture of Roger Goodell

that they used for the painting.

It was offensive.

It was just from a press conference.

I found it.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

The way he was like standing off the side,

it looked like the portrait of George Washington in the White House.

It looked like when Pauly put, or no, it wasn't Pauly.

Who put Tony on his horse? Remember that? I don't remember that. Are you talking about...
You're asking the wrong person. Are they talking about when they've got, what's his name? Billy Bats in the back of the car and they pretty much killed him.
And they're like, look at this guy. He's looking this way.
Goodell's looking the other way. And this dog's like, what do you want from this? Pio Mai.
Remember Pio Mai? Yeah. And they drew Tony and made him look like a colonial figure.
It looked like a portrait of Goodell that Roger Goodell would honestly want to put on his own currency. Yeah.
Like, if the NFL ever goes to, like, their own, if they get on their own, like, crypto, he wants that on the picture of the coin. We also need to just mention, like, Goodell's chair really was the lamest thing ever.
just have to keep hammering because i think people are just letting him this is what happens when you have greenie interviewing him like greenie's first question should have been like hey dude do you think you're fucking funny and cute he's going to sell an nft of the chair oh second question remember when you said you were going to donate to charity and have someone sit next to you in your man cave and no one ever did yes good point and we were going to double yeah so i actually think that uh we should do the opposite and just keep talking about how awesome the chair was and if we get enough people to fake talk about how great the chair was he'll bring that fucking piece of shit out for every single league event for the next 30 years yeah like it's such a fan favorite oh because i'll tell you this is gonna be in fucking 50 yard line at the super you can't you can't boo the chair chair. No.
I will boo the chair. I will give a standing ovation to that chair.
I want to see that chair show up all the time for every single event that Roger Goodell ever does because he believes it's the coolest thing ever. No cap.
I'll put a stick of dynamite in that chair. Imagine if they were traveling around to Monday Night Football games and an AWL gave us the invite and we took it off the truck.
Yeah, absolutely. I absolutely would steal it.
I think it's kind of problematic that Roger Doe was sitting on the hide of a deceased animal on stage. True.
I thought maybe let's get that. The PETA people, if we work there, they'll throw red paint all over that.
Yeah. Yes.
Jake, do you have any facts or anything that you noted from the draft? Who's Mr. Irrelevant? I don't know.
That's a good question. The draft, by the time you get to Saturday, it's like, all right, just let me know if any of these guys make the team.
Ernie Adams is done. Poor one out for the king.
Grant Stewart, a linebacker from Houston, went to the Buccaneers. You guys said it too, the quarterback, but when Sam Ellinger went to the Colts, I was like, oh.
Yeah, right. Maybe he'll be good.
Ian Book to the Saints? Oh, shit. Wow, he's kind of undersized.
Yeah. Not very good.
Wait, Ernie's done? Ernie's done. This was his last draft.
He said that? Well, Belichick said. Also, acting performance of the year from Belichick, did you see it with his dog? Is.
Do you also, I have... Is it too late to give him a post-mostly Oscar? Yeah, I mean, he looked great with his dog.
Who died? Or like, whatever, a belated Oscar. A belated Oscar.
Did he kill his dog? No, a belated Oscar. The Oscars are dead because they happened already.
It's pre-related for next year. True.
Belichick explaining his draft. So, I don't know if you saw the story, but he was asked a question I think on Thursday, and he was very Belichick-like, I can't explain to you how we grade players.
And then I think he's getting a little nice in his old age. By the way, his explanation for how he grades players is, did he play for Nick Saban? Okay, he did.
All right, draft him. But Belichick came back the next day and did a press conference and was like, hey, I was a little short with you guys.

Let me explain it, why I can't explain it. Here's the explanation of why he can't explain it.
All right, he said, not trying to be evasive about the grading and all that, but I would just say that we don't grade players like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. That's just not the way we do it.
We use a combination of numbers, letters, colors, and these things all have different

meanings depending on when they would indicate about the player's circumstance or situation or whatever it is involved with the player. So sometimes the color is going to override the number.
Sometimes the letter is going to override the numbers or the colors and so forth. And so it's not, you know, this guy's an 85, this guy's an 83.
It just doesn't work like that. There's a number, a color, possibly a letter or letters that go with those players.
And those things could all, depending upon what they represent, could all override something else that's a part of the grade. What the hell? He created.
I think most of that's bullshit. I just love love the sentence so sometimes the color is going to override the number sometimes the letter is going to override the numbers or the colors and so forth he definitely has invented his own language that him and the five people in the building they're the only ones that know how to speak it is yeah we should get the the guy who invented dothraki yes and show him belichick's grading Can you make sense of this? Belichickian is actually a language now with all this shit.
It's code. It's like the Navajo Code Talkers in World War II.
He's invented through the combination of all these different variables. There's probably like 26,000 different things that can affect a single draft player's stock or the grade that they have on them.
I just like the idea that someone could be, so there's numbers and letters, so someone, a draft player could be an A100 but then their color is brown and you're like no, can't do it. It's crazy so like, with the rules that he's created Belichick has essentially created quantum computing, but it's just about football players.
If his brain, stealing Matt Patricia away from NASA has got to be one of the biggest all-time moves that might change history, and now we're just going to get even better at football in New England and worse at going to the moon. Was Patricia in the war room? Yeah, well, he made one of the picks.
Because he kind of cleaned up, huh? Yeah, he made one of the picks for him. He got a haircut and huh yeah he made one of the haircut and everything yeah he's in the program yeah it was either that or it was that might be a punishment for the patriots to make one of their assistants be the person that announces the picks yes i actually found something cool that warren sharp tweeted this morning it was years since drafting a quarterback in rounds one and two and 75 percent of the league has taken a quarterback in the first two rounds in the last seven years.
The Seahawks haven't drafted one in 28 years, and the Saints haven't drafted one in 50 years. Whoa.
Whoa. That's crazy.
Wild. 50 years? The Saints have not drafted a quarterback in rounds one and two in 50 years.
That is wild. You know what else is wild? So our friend Sam Schwartzstein just sent this to me.
The Jets drafted Hamza Nasrildin with pick 186. The Bryce Brown trade is finally over after seven years.
Oh, wow. So every single year since Bryce Brown was drafted, there has been a player drafted using one of the picks that was acquired during that trade that eventually got swapped.
So like seven years, eight years, I guess, yeah, seven drafts from now, the Bryce Brown trade tree is finally, it's been filled. Perfect.
Got chopped down. I like that.
Finally we can get a conclusion. We can move on as a country.
Well, we can grade it now. Well, as soon as this player gets out there, and yeah, we can grade it as soon as we figure out if this player is good or not.
It looks like every player, Carson Wentz was involved in it through the middle, so Kiko Alonso, I mean, the blowjob story is just worth it. That increases trade value.
I'd say, I'm going to give this one to Philly. I think the Eagles won the Bryce Brown trade.
Yes. All right, any other draft notes? Again, the grading of the drafts, I think everyone, basically, when you wake up on sunday or monday morning after the draft you do the same thing that everyone else does in the as nfl fans you go and you look at the draft grades you see your team's draft grade if it's anything less than a minus you get mad at the person who's grading it and then you get mad at the gm and then you go and see your your rivals draft grade and if it's anything higher than a B you get mad at that and then yeah and then we just do the season and we find out uh how everyone was wrong I think there was I always remember the Jaguars got an A plus draft grade like four years in a row and this is pre this isn't like when they actually had a really good team a few years ago in the ACC.
I'm talking like, it was like, I don't know, like 2009, 10, 11. And it was just always terrible drafts, but they always got graded A+.
And there's always that Seahawks draft from 2012 where they got Russell Wilson and they picked up like some Bruce Irvin and Bleacher Report. I think Cam Chancellor too, right? It might've been.
Yeah. They're like, they reach for these guys.
Russell Wilson might not ever see the field. Grade F.
And it was like the greatest draft of all time. Yeah, the best draft.
In terms of value. At least in the history of that franchise.
Yes, yes. Oh, yeah, the Seahawks also got a guy who runs a 4-3, so they're just going to have the fastest team ever.
That's kind of the Raiders. And he's just a new Doug Baldwin.
The Raiders move. The Raiders will reach for any player that is half a percent faster than the rest of his position class.
Although I do think it might be Mike Mayock just doing a solid for all the scouting community

and the people that do the draft grades because he used to be a part of that community.

And so he might just create these controversial picks just to give them some stuff to write

about.

Throw them a little red meat every now and again.

That's true.

But they've got the Ouija board that's connected to Al Davis' spirit that just tells them draft a fast player.

They've been drafting a shitload

of cornerbacks too.

And it's funny because

that's that one position that we always say

you don't know if it's going to...

If it works, you'll find out five years

later. Right.
And

they've drafted defensive back

I think every year for the last eight years

and there's always been the same criticism

which is you reach for this guy and

the draft graders and analysis

Let's go. They've drafted defensive back, I think, every year for the last eight years, and there's always been the same criticism, which is you reach for this guy, and the draft Raiders and analysts are always correct about the Raiders.
But they're just not going to stop trying. Right.
They'll get it right. All right, so we had the Kentucky Derby as well.
Hopefully you listened to our OG Randy Moss on Friday's show because we talked at length about the winning horse. Always interesting you can tell when there's new listeners because there was still a good amount of people that were like, wait, you didn't have the real Randy Moss on.
This is bullshit. And he was actually, I think, maybe the sixth guest on the show.
And shout out to his son because I remember when the Kentucky Derby was happening in 2016 when the show was like two months old and I tweeted out, like, does anyone know this Randy Moss? Cause we want to have him on. And his son was like, that's my, my dad.
And he hooked us up and friendship ever since. But we did talk about Bob Baffert at length.
And we talked about the Tom Brady corollaries where they're going for their seventh title. And then lo and behold, 12 to one, I bet on them.
I never win the Derby. I have to say this to everyone listening right now.
If you've never won the Derby, I'd recommend doing it. It was a lot of fun.
I've never done it. And then Saturday I decided to do it, and I won 12-1, and it was way more fun than losing it.
You'll always remember the name of that horse. Yeah.
I still remember. Wait remember mind that bird i'll never forget that name as long as i live but yeah that bird uh we also had aaron rogers at the derby so he was um he looks skinny man he he looked like a uh a goth magician who will make your daughter's virginity disappear like a pickup artist.
Yeah. He's rolling around in what's his name's crew? Mystery.
Mystery, yeah. Mystery, Neil Strauss.
Yeah. Matador.
He looks skinny. I think he's probably, this is what happens when you get held captive.
So I did have a very tough moment when he did his interview, and he was wearing a name tag that said Turd Ferguson. And obviously my initial reaction to anything Aaron Rodgers does is that's lame.
I fucking hate his guts. But it made me laugh.
So I didn't tweet about it. And if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all.
Did you notice the type of hat he was wearing? Yeah. It was a derby hat.
Get it? I bet he got a lot of mileage out of that one. He is really, really unhappy, though.
He does look skinny. I don't think he's been eating.
He has not been eating. They need to let him free.
Can you imagine that if Aaron Rodgers actually went on a hunger strike to get traded? I actually think it would work. I do, too.
I keep going back and forth, because it does feel more serious than it ever has. And they've obviously had this issue kind of bubbling for a while now.
It does feel more significant than it ever has been. But I still don't – the Packers aren't going to trade him, right? Well, he's trying to get the GM fired now.
And also now the spots, there's not a lot of openings. Apparently that's something that you hear about it happening a lot with players and coaches trying to get each other fired, but you don't hear about it with a general manager.
So people got mad, especially Mike Florio, got real mad at Aaron Rodgers because you don't talk about another man's job. And a guy, how do you pronounce his name? Is it Gudinkinsk? Yeah.
Gudinkinsk? You can't fire that guy from being the general manager of the Packers. That guy just, his name alone just exudes Midwest German.
He was born out of a cheese curd on a fish fry Friday. Yeah.
That was, it wasn't a natural. His blood type is spotted cow.
Yeah, it wasn't a natural birth. And butter, yeah.
It was an egg that was hatched, and that egg was a cheese curd. So, yeah, he's trying to get him fired, apparently.
And that's making some people mad for talking about another man's job. But it really sounds like Matt LaFleur, he wants Aaron Rodgers back.
And he's just – Matt LaFleur is the one that I'm more worried about because he sounded more depressed than Aaron Rodgers recently. Yes.
Because he's like, I've let my mind finally go to that dark place where Aaron might not be our quarterback in September, and I don't like thinking about it. I don't know what I'm going to do with myself.
How about being Jordan Love in this situation? Obviously, Aaron Rodgers is MVP, so clearly he's way better than Jordan Love, but you still drafted Jordan Love in the first round, and everyone is pretending like the franchise will end if Aaron Rodgers retires.

Yeah.

That's got to suck.

Well, plus you also know you've already burned one of your years into the 16-year lifespan of Green Bay Packers quarterback.

Yep.

So it's like you just feel his biological clock is ticking right now.

So he's only got 15 more years where he can contribute to the team.

It's also just, I mean, we always talk about the guy who follows the guy. How about the guy who follows farve and rogers yeah that's gotta suck you have to be a hall of famer you have to like you you have to be how hilarious would it be though if the packers just started winning based on defense and just running the football fuck that probably not that funny for you but i do i do think aaron rogers i know you listen to the show i know you're a big stooly.
Do a public hunger strike. Have a live cam on you.
Do a stream and prove that you're not going to eat anything until either they fire this guy or you get traded to whatever. Or he dies.
Or he dies. If you die.
I hope, heaven forbid. Here's what I'll say.
If Aaron Rodgers dies on a hunger strike trying to leave the Packers, I will I'll do a moment of silence. Okay.
You'll do a hunger strike for two hours. I'll do a moment of silence.
One moment of silence. A moment of silence for Aaron Rodgers.
There it is. I actually think it would work.
And if anybody's got the if anybody's the type of personality to try doing like a Gandhi technique it's Aaron Rodgers. Well a lot of people are saying that Aaron Rodgers doesn't have the balls to do it no I've heard that I've heard people saying that he'll keep eating meals no they didn't necessarily say the balls they just said uh the mental toughness or the intellectual they said Aaron Rodgers is not intellectually curious enough he's too dumb to try to hunger strike he's too dumb so we'll see I tend to agree with those people but I'd like to be proven wrong.
Yeah, without a doubt. Alright, let's do our Who's Back of the Week.
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Hank?

I got a couple Who's Backs. The first one,

Lamello Ball. Okay.
He

came back, he had a crazy full

court pass on Friday night. He just had another

one like two minutes ago. That

might be better. It was basically like a

football throw, like 90 yards.

Is LaMelo making passing cool again?

He's back. They're going to

make a playoff run. He's definitely...
I've been a

LaMelo Ball fan. Bud City? I've been a LaMelo

Ball fan on this show going back

years and years. You actually have.
So I'm

always rooting for him. He's fun to watch.

My other who's back the week is crowdfights.

Can I just say one thing about LaMelo Ball?

The thing that ruined

LaMelo Ball, and I agree, he's fun to watch. Who's back the week is crowdfights.
Can I just say one thing about LaMelo Ball? The thing that ruined LaMelo Ball, and I agree, he's fun to watch and he's very, very awesome. He should win rookie of the year.
Was that one video where he was just bricking threes from half court. Remember that? He was in like a sophomore.
I know. I know.
That's what's crazy. I used all my draft analysis on that one video.
You know what's crazy? I don't blame myself. It was definitely not my fault.
It was whoever made that video. What's Steph Curry's lifetime percentage from three? Is it like 41%, 42%? So that means that he bricks 60% of the shots he takes.
These were bricks. I know, but I'm saying you could cut together a pretty sick highlight reel of Steph Curry bricking shots and just call it Steph Curry sucks.
40.4. But do you remember this video? I remember.
It was like half-court. That was like prime.
Lamar ball. Everyone was coming after LeVar.
Haters are your marketing team. That's how I did my draft analysis to him, so I was wrong.
Hand up. Wait, Seth Curry is a higher three-point percentage than his brother.
Yeah, he's better. I mean, I can show you a highlight clip that'll prove it.

Also, speaking of Buzz City,

that someone I saw a tweet from Terry Rosario in 2011

talking about how hot Seth Curry's mom was.

So that's always just funny when that gets back in the enchilada.

I mean, he wasn't wrong.

No, no.

Crowd fights.

Seems like a nice lady.

Andy Ruiz Jr., Chris Areola.

I don't know how his name is spelled.

Areola.

Areola.

They had a boxing match in, I think it was L.A. in the Coliseum, and there was a crowd fight.
No security came over for like 20 minutes. It was basically just a full-on, like guys are just getting smoked.
Nature's healing. People are back.
This was crazier than any UFC fight I've seen. One guy was just taking, probably took like 35 body blows, like hard punches, and there was just no security.
Like it was one of those videos where you watch and you see, when you see a fight break out, you see a few punches get thrown and then you're like, all right, it's going to get broken up. Someone's going to come.
Right. It's just a quick little like tiff.
This was three to five minutes of just like body blows, full head shots, everything. I think that's fine though at a boxing event.
Like if you go to a baseball game, you bring your glove glove with you you might like play some catch in the concourse or whatever if you go to a boxing event and a boxing match breaks down the stands there's just more bang for your buck i say let that play out and also i think like covet has brought um a different perspective to security guards where they see people fighting each other and they're like fuck that i'm not going to get get involved in that. Right.
Why would I go insert myself into two strangers breathing and bleeding on each other? I'll just let them. They're going to tire out eventually.
Yeah. Fighting in, like UFC needs more fighting in the stands.
Yeah. Why not? Yeah, why not? I feel like they have a good amount probably.
I feel like they don't show it. They need to show it more.
Yeah, they do.

Also, I had this idea over the weekend.

We were talking about how Jake Paul, UFC, there's some beef going on there.

Why doesn't Dana White just fight Jake Paul in MMA?

If he lost, I think he'd have to give up all the UFC. All the shares?

Yeah.

Yeah.

That would be a reputation match.

Yeah.

Yeah, you can't do that if you're him.

I would love to see it happen, but you can't do it.

All right, what else?

That was it.

That was it?

Just two?

Two.

For who's back?

Just two of them.

All right, okay.

My who's back of the week is the snake pit.

Snake pit's back.

There was a golf tournament.

Max Homo finished lower than we thought he was going to finish.

Tough break for the homosexuals. He was two strokes back going into the final round? Three strokes? Two strokes back? Ten strokes back.
He all made a real late rally. Finished six.
So it was tough, but I'm sure he collected a nice paycheck. But the course had their finishing holes 16, 17, 18.
They just called him the snake pit. And the snake pit is such a cool thing to call anything except an actual pit of snakes.
But you can call anything a snake pit, and it sounds fucking ferocious. And they showed it on television, and it was just like a nice, lovely end of a round of golf.
There was nothing menacing about it at all. But Jim Nance is like, he's wandering into the snake pit.
We'll see he can survive oh man it gets you going the um snake pit at uh indy 500 that's a snake pit it is a snake that's a real snake pit that's just where you go to like party on saturday to get so far day no no on sunday carb day is friday oh that's right yeah uh and then my other not car not eating a bunch of carbs we found that out and it sucked it was honestly disappointing whenb Day and you're like, all right, where's the pizza? Where's the donuts? And they're like, no, no, no. Carburetor.
Yeah, funnel cakes, at least. Then who's back of the week is True Love at the Arizona Diamondbacks game.
Did you guys see this? I thought you were going to say J-Lo and fucking Ben Affleck, and I'm going to jump across his table and beat your face in. Since you brought it up, yeah, Ben Affleck is back.
The couple that brought us Gigli is finally back. So pathetic from J-Lo.
So pathetic. Doesn't he have an Oscar? What? Ben Affleck? Absolutely.
Yeah, he's got an Oscar. Does he? He's a great director.
Oh, yeah, for... He got one for Good Will Hunting.
Yeah, Good Will Hunting. No, I think he got one for Argo, too.
And I think Jiggly might have won It won everything The best movie of all time Accountant is the worst movie ever but it's such a good watch I love that Ben Affleck If he's directing a movie he'll put a scene in Where he's just shirtless exercising And I think every time he does that It's just a shot directly at J-Lo Take me back Although me back. Although I do love, he's a man after your own heart in a way, Big Cat.
You've seen all the pictures of him carrying the stacks of Dunkin' Donuts into his house for Donut Saturdays. Yeah.
No, but those weren't donuts. They were just coffee.
No, he's got donuts in the thing, too. He does? He's a big ambassador for Donut Saturday.
And Dunkin' Donuts in general, which I respect because, you know, it doesn't get a lot of love outside of Boston, and it should.

I feel like Dunkin' Donuts had its moment.

It should still have its moment.

It's far superior than Krispy Kreme.

Actually, I was going to say something

about a different coffee place, but you know what?

Corporate Cat, not going to say it

because we might advertise someday.

Not Dunkin' Donuts, but somewhere else.

I'm trying them off now.

I'm not off it because you don't know what I'm talking about. Money in the solar system? I fucking hate to bleep that out.
Me too. Are we still advertising for donkeys? No, but they should come back.
They should. Yeah, much like J-Lo came back to Ben Affleck.
So pathetic. So pathetic.
Did you see, by the way, A-Rod lost a shitload of weight from December to right now? Yeah. And it was like, stay committed, do all this.
And someone found out, they're like, or you could do the A-Rod diet, and he went to a gym that was literally $4,000 for like one month. It's like, okay, well, that too.
By the way. Why can't everyone be like me? All right, I'm going to pull an audible.
Jake, you can explain the Arizona Dime vaccine if you want to. Yeah, it wasn't fat.
Another who's back is fake butts. I have a theory.
This is going to be the summer of fake butts. The Roaring Twenties.
There are a lot of people that... Who are you talking about? Better not be Rachel Bush.
Should I cop one? Nope. Maybe.
Her vaccine thoughts aside. I think the whole squad should get fake asses because my theory is that a lot of people got elective cosmetic surgery during this year that the world hit pause.
And this summer, you're going to see a lot of fake asses that come out of nowhere. And they're the most funny thing to see in the wild.
I saw, I think, five fake asses at one restaurant last weekend. Why were you looking, PFT? Keep your eyes up here.
Bonk, bonk. Serious bonk.
I couldn't help but notice. Serious bonk.
They were bonking my drink off my table when they were trying to scoot by there real quick. Then boom, fucking asshole knocks over my manhasses.
What type of drink was it? Manhattan. I thought you were doing whatever your drinks are.
Oh, my novelties? Yeah. But not every restaurant.
I've actually gotten a lot of strange looks at fancy establishments being like, do you have any crazy novelty fishbowl cocktails? And they're like, sir, you're already wearing sweatpants really pushing the limits of our dress code. I'll have to ask you to stop.
Can I throw something out there because we're in the trust tree and no judging? I am terrible at judging fake asses and fake tits. I see a pair of fake tits.
I'm like, look at those naturals. Yep.
And I'm always wrong. I can't.
I remember the day when someone was like, dude, Jenna Jameson, those are fake tits. I'm like, what? Are you serious? I'm really bad at it.
If milk comes out, then they're real. That's the only thing I know.
It's just I can't. Maybe it's that I, you know what? Maybe I just don't judge.
Maybe it's the heart wants what the heart wants. But if you show me a pair of very clearly fake tits, I will absolutely think they're real.
I'm 100% in that same boat with you. There have been people that I've given a hug to, and then later my friend is like, those tits are so fake.
They're so hard. And I'd be like, I really could not.
My chest does not have that nerve. I had to give him a major bonk.
Yeah. So I wouldn't be able to tell you if there was a fake ass anyway.
You know a fake ass. No.
Fake ass is highly spotable. I do not.
Literally, when I see an ass that's huge and it might be fake, I'm just thinking, well, is she using the blue bands or the purple bands? I'm telling you. What is she doing? What's her squat? 20 years from now, we're going to look back at this era in the United States and be like, what the fuck was everyone thinking just getting shit injected into their ass cheeks? Yeah.
Really strange. But I think they're going to be back this summer.
Just something to put in the tickler file. Keep an eye out.
I won't be able to tell. All right.
My who's back soccer hooligans or whatever happened at Man United today. I love it.
Save soccer. They invaded the pitch.
I think they were violent i think some people got fucked up

um also loved the like few random guys who brought a ball with them yeah just so they could kick it around they're taking pks yeah and then uh i just here's what i don't understand i know troops explained it all super league bad idea we get it i agree with that but if the glazers sold another billionaire would buy the team

and then

we'd be in the same spot in like five years probably like but i think i think their point is we'd rather have an asshole who is from england than an asshole who's from america but that asshole from england would be like oh i like that would be that would be like saying uh for the sonics like we want a guy from seattle howard schultz oh how'd that work out like saying for the Sonics.

Like, we want a guy from Seattle, Howard Schultz.

Oh, how'd that work out?

Like, eventually the bottom line will be the bottom line, no matter where you're from or who you root for.

And if you look at history, rich British assholes have done probably 50 times the damage to the world that Americans have.

A very easy way to live your life is to understand that very rich people will do anything to stay rich and get richer. And don't have like, you think they might have a heart in them? You might think they have like, ooh, fandom? No, no, no.
They don't give a fuck. They do not give a fuck.
I think it just comes down to the fact they don't like, when an American fucks up their sport, they're like, we really hate that. I just gotta remind them the fucking Glazers won a Super Bowl three months ago.
It was very funny listening to the people on, was it Sky Sports or whatever, like NBC Sports Network talk about what was happening in like very hushed, solemn tones because they had defiled the sanctity of Old Trafford Stadium. Old Trafford, yes.
She's been renovated like 75 times. Some of the cops that were there were just like letting him in because I think the cops also want oh yeah the lasers oh yeah the team yes i saw one police officer walking across the pitch and he was just bleeding from one of his eyes yeah but he was smiling he was like this is awesome this is sick having a great time yeah so that that is back and then my other who's back is lou dort uh so the the the thunder lost 152 to 95 on saturday night is, I think that's the biggest margin of defeat ever.
It's incredible when you actually look at the box score, just how they didn't win a single quarter. They were getting hot in the fourth.
They lost 26-25 in the fourth. But I freaked when I saw this because I was like, oh, no, Lou Dort, my king, he didn't play.
So I just want to remind everyone he didn't play. If he had played, they probably would have won the game.
The average is like 60. That's not even it.
PFT. People were making that joke like, oh, Lou Dort, you think Lou Dort? Dude, Lou Dort will put you in the Dortcher chamber.
They don't score 152 on Lou Dort. I just said Lou Dort is a prolific score.
The game does change. No, but it's his defense.
His defense is what would stop them. Okay.
He doesn't need to score for his team to win. Gotcha.
He can just fucking lock them down. You can't put a mathematical equation to explain the significance of Lou Dort on a basketball game.
It is very funny, though, to look at the plus minus and, like, Sabonis for the Patriots was a plus 49. Mm-hmm.
Yeah. That's impressive.
But seriously, there is something about Dort.

There's a lot about Dort.

It doesn't exist on the stat sheet.

Yeah, dude.

You can't write a computer program to tell you what love is.

He is absolutely the best on-ball defender.

He will lock you down.

Lou Dort, he's the best.

Dort's your chamber.

So anyone who's trying to tell you that the Thunders suck, they do,

but not because of Lou Dort. All right, Jakeake do you want to explain that diamondbacks thing you can probably explain it better than i could i'm just gonna read through the thread yeah go for it so this guy buck army who has a hundred thousand plus on youtube according to his bio said hey at d-backs my roommates on a state six rows above the plate i'd love to see the cameraman a bit.
And then the D-backs refer him to Valley Sports, the network. Then now the D-back says we're curious.
Let me take over real quick for you, Jake. Give like a little bit of background.
So this YouTuber, his buddy went on a date at a Diamondbacks game. And then he was like, hey, Diamondbacks, can you put the camera on my friend? He's on his first date.
I want to see how he's doing. Asking them to like put him like put him on tv right so he could check in on his buddy and they eventually like found him and it became like this big viral moment but i also have a big stay woke on it like the fact that it was a famous youtuber that was setting this up right in conjunction with three separate brands right at once it set off a lot of a lot of alarms for me yes agreed but apparently they're going on a second date.
Apparently they hit it off. It would be very funny if it wasn't set up and the camera panned to them and he was just getting a handjob from her in the crowd.
Jake, did you have your own who's back? Yeah. Anderson Verichel.
What? Cavs. Yeah? This stopped me in my tracks.
Is he president of Brazil now? He plans to sign with the Cavs. I got to see the last time he played.
Wait, what? Yes. He's like Anderson's Bears out is signing back with the Cavs, the team he played 13 years for or something.
What? I literally thought he stopped playing in like 2016. He has not played since 2016-17 with the Warriors.
Holy shit. Right.
He did the double ring. Yeah.
He did the double ring thing. He was like the guy who gets rings for both teams or whatever.

Yeah, that's right.

And they had to vote on whether or not he got the ring or something

because he left midway in the season.

What the fuck?

That's incredible.

I have no idea how Dan Gilbert runs his organization.

Is he just drunk all the time?

Yeah, well, he had a health problem.

Oh, that's right, yeah.

I didn't mean to make you feel bad.

It's such and go.

Yeah, is he okay?

Is he alive?

It would make more sense if he wasn't.

Oh, man.

The Cavs are good for like three of these moves a year.

Is this a professional sports team in Cleveland?

What, are there 10 games left?

Is it a PR thing just to live through the past?

Yeah.

I don't know.

That's crazy.

How old is he?

Watch it be like 28.

And we just were wrong with him.

No.

38.

38.

Okay.

All right.

That's nuts.

Hey, once a Cav, always a Cav.

Cav for life, right?

Yeah.

And then PFT's boy Steve Kornacki is back.

Oh, yeah.

He's the only NBC analyst to pick the correct derby winner. Oh, he had him? Yeah.
What was the name? Steve Kornacki. Medina Spirit.
Medina Spirit. Thank you.
I'll always remember Medina Spirit. I'm sick of that guy.
He's fucking khaki. Dude, I mean, it's crazy how much he looks like Rohn.
It's insane. Every time I see him, I'm like, why is Rohn on my TV? The hatred that Jeff D.
Lowe has for Steve Kornacki is unrivaled by anything I've ever seen. Why? Just nerd on nerd crime? No, he just hates that they treat him like...
Nerds do hate other nerds. Well, he hates that they treat him like a freak, which I understand.
It's like, let's get this freak out here to talk about his freak numbers and go back to your basement when you're done freak. But nerds definitely have a feeling like there's only enough room for one of us nerds here.
They don't like that. All right, let's get to our interview.
We've got Eddie George. Awesome interview.
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okay we now welcome on a very special guest it is he Heisman Trophy winner, four-time Pro Bowler, but most importantly, he is the head coach of Tennessee State now. It is Eddie George.
Let's start there. Are you used to people calling you coach yet? Because you just jumped right into the job, and part of the job of being a coach is everyone around town calling you coach are you are you ready for that are you cool with that you know i'm cool with it but i'm not used to it yet people are like hey coach hey coach i'm like who's here you know it was coach but i'm getting used to it it's um it's really a tremendous honor to be a head coach, for someone to look at me in this regard and to say, hey, you know, I want you to take over my program.
There's a lot of trust involved in that. One.
Two, oftentimes you may not see something in yourself. Somebody might see something in you that you don't see in yourself.
And after doing my due diligence on the opportunity, doing some soul searching, you know, I had a chance to talk to Dion, a few other players, a few other head coaches, a few other businessmen about what this means, what it entails, what it involves. you know, can I do this, put my whole mind, body, mind and spirit into this and give 100 percent.
I got to came to the conclusion that I can do it, you know, and this is the next thing that's presented for me. It's a great challenge, a great opportunity, but more importantly, it's about impacting lives of young men, of our student athletes.

And that's something that I've been doing my entire life, you know, in some roundabout way, whether it be my own sons, whether it be talking to a group of kids, doing my speaking engagements and so forth. It's something that I know.
I know the game of football. I played it for practically my whole life.

And it brings me back full circle into the very love, the very person that I know. I know the game of football.
I played it for practically my whole life. And it brings me back full circle into the very love, the very person that I loved growing up and made a profession out of, but just in a completely different capacity.
So it's a wonderful opportunity. You mentioned that you talked to Deion Sanders.
He's our coworker here, and he is the head coach at Jackson State. We're head of recruiting.
We're head of recruiting there so we can't you can be I guess we'll see how this interview goes before we determine whether or not we want to work with you in any capacity on that front but I'm curious how that convo went with Dion because you guys played against each other. I have to imagine did you probably ran Dion over once or twice is what I'm getting at.
He wasn't exactly a hitter so how is that relationship now? Is he always like... Exactly.
Prime we never hit. He never...
I don't think I've ever ran into Deion maybe in a Pro Bowl but we never hit. You know? So the only time I saw Prime was when he was catching the interception.
I was trying to hit him, and he was running the other way. So that was it.
But, of course, listen, you know, Prime is Prime, period. You know, I grew up a Prime fan when he was at Florida State.
I remember being at a military school, and we would go sneak and watch the games. And they were against Clemson and I remember you know sneaking watch that one clip when he's pointing to the sidelines telling him he's going to run it back and I wanted Clemson to win so bad that day and he said he's going to run it back he's going to run it back gets the ball runs it back for a touchdown and it was all over and uh I just remember him you know just growing up been a big fan of him.
So I'm not surprised that, you know, when Prime took this opportunity, took this position, I reached out to him and I congratulated him. I was like, wow, this is a huge deal for him.
Not knowing that I was going to be the next guy to be offered the opportunity. So Prime is a trendsetter.
He's always, always has been. He's always been about helping others,

especially young black men,

reach their fullest potential,

not just on the football field,

but also off the football field.

And that was some of the similar things

that I'm aligned with as well.

And that's some of the things that I believe in.

And when I reached out to him

and really got his unvarnished truth

of what goes into this, he was very honest up front with me. He said, it's not going to be easy.
It's a different way of doing business, but it's something you definitely can do. You get the right people around you.
You will be the CEO of a business pretty much. And that's how you're going to have to operate, but you can be very successful in it, except against him.
That's's what he was saying yeah so uh our listeners are going to be mad that we've gotten this far in the interview and we haven't mentioned uh the most important person in your circle of trust when it comes to you know jumping into the coaching world it is our best friend jeff fisher uh so what yes what what uh maybe a story uh something that you've always thought of, like, this is how you should coach from your time playing for Coach Fisher that you're going to now bring into your guys at Tennessee State? Oh, wow. That is such a great question.
Jeff, I reached out to him, and I was hoping that he would talk me off the ledge of this thing. OK, I was on the fence.
I was about, you know, 70, 30 of not doing this. OK.
And I said before I close the door on it, before I give them a hard no and say, hey, this is not for me. Go find somebody else that's passionate about it.
Blah, blah, blah. Bring it down on my reasoning.
Um, I called him on my way out to a golf tournament going, I think I was going to, uh, Florida play concession. And I said, Hey, I'm on a tarmac.
I'm about to leave, you know, but this is what I got going on. Um, I've been offered, listen to this ridiculous idea, Jeff.
I got offered be the head coach of tennessee state university and with no coaching experience and i'm expecting him to be like yeah let that go just you know man and go to go play golf stay down there don't get involved instead you know how he is he's oh my god eddie that's You will absolutely kill it. And I've got everything laid out for you.
I've got my organizational sheets. I've got practice sheets.
I've got a staff. I've got a chief of staff.
He's going through the whole thing of how this can be successful. And Jeff knows how to push my buttons because he was my coach.
I mean, he knew how to get me going, right? And by the end of the conversation, I went from 70-30 in terms of not doing it to be an all-in at the end of a 30-minute conversation. So, you know, Jeff has a way of presenting things and presenting things in such a peaceful, calm, and collective way.

And he'll have you looking at something that's like that's half empty is half

full. He's an optimistic guy.

So I think my,

I'll take bits and pieces from his style in terms of how he coaches.

He is not one to embarrass anybody or to re-rate anyone,

but he's definitely a player's coach. And anybody that's played for Jeff can definitely say that, you know, he's probably the best coach to ever play for because of how he approaches players and how he deals with people and relationships.
He's a very zen guy. At the end of the conversation, was he like, and by the way, if you're hiring, I happen to know a guy, me, if you want to bring me on.

Has he floated that out there for you?

I had to talk him into, hey, man, listen, you know,

if I'm going to do this, I'd like to do it with you in some capacity.

I don't know how that looks for you.

I know that he was trying to get into college football coaching,

didn't have the opportunity to go to Tennessee or Auburn and all of that.

But I think he's excited being a senior advisor in this capacity

and just really helping me along the way put the rails down

or the bricks down for this foundation of what we can do here

at Tennessee State University.

That's very cool.

So when you're coaching, are you going to have a doghouse?

Because I ask that question because people forget that you won a Heisman, you were you know a first round pick you had an unbelievable career in the NFL but there was a point in time where you were in the doghouse probably the longest doghouse of all time for a year and a half at Ohio State because you fumbled twice uh your freshman year uh on the five yard line against Illinois in the same game and then you went to the doghouse for a year and a half. Is that right? You basically were sidelined for a year and a half.
What does a doghouse feel like for a year and a half? Well, the doghouse is cold. It's dark.
There's no light. It's unforgiving.
It feels like the world is closing in on you. But I was molded by that.
I grind in that. I had to find a new belief and I had to find my own light in the darkness of the doghouse.
So absolutely, you got to have a doghouse for somebody to ask the question, hey, am I man enough to pursue this dream? Do I have the guts to continue to pursue and to persist without exception? So without the doghouse, you got to have a guy to go in there and really find out who he is and bring forth the best out of you. So to me, that's where I won the Heisman.
I made up in my mind that, hey, you know what? This is not going to define me. I could have left.
I could have went to a different school. I could have jumped in the portal and tried to find the perfect situation.
Or I can make the situation there at Ohio State perfect for me by attacking it, by taking ownership of it, by working out hard every day, by showing up at eight o'clock in the morning and leaving at eight in the evening, working on my weaknesses, working on my strengths, studying film, doing any and everything that will separate me from the rest of my competition, that's what I was going to do, and that's what I did. So, yes, there will be a doghouse.
Did Coach John Cooper at Ohio State, did he ever apologize for putting you in the doghouse? Because he's had to feel stupid after that, where your sophomore year you have 42 attempts, and then your junior year you have 276 attempts. And it's like, wait, we could have probably used him last year a little bit.
That was maybe my mistake to keep him in the doghouse that long. Well, let's be clear.
At Ohio State, you can't afford to fumble. You can't afford to get hurt because the next guy in line is just as good as you.
I played with Robert Smith, Raymond Harris, Butler Bonote, Jeff Cothran. They were all upperclassmen.
So they all went to the NFL at some point in time. So it was talented.
So they said, listen, we know what we have in you. You want to sit in here.
You want to sit back and watch, learn how it was done, watch his upperclassmen take stake because we're not going to lose. I'm not going to lose my job because you can't hold on to the football.
So it was about job security with John Cooper, and I appreciate that. So, you know, I don't think he felt stupid behind it.
No, I think he was just a talented backfield to say, hey, this guy's got some time and let him grow and develop and become the player that he hopes to be. That's humble, but you were the best running back in that backfield.
You won a Heisman Trophy. Well, yeah.
Very humble of you. I like that.
Who knows? If you weren't in the doghouse for that long, you might not have reached that point. True.
It made you hungry, right? You weren't eating when you were at the doghouse.

You're like Bane.

He's just molded by the doghouse.

Exactly.

What you should do is, as a motivational technique,

you should get a doghouse and put it on the sideline for your players.

But not for your running backs.

Like for your defense, every time they force a fumble,

you put that guy in the doghouse and you come back to the sideline.

You put the ball in the doghouse.

Yeah, you fill the doghouse up with the balls on the sideline like that a lot I'm going to take you up on it I had to get a big doghouse to do that You know a good builder That can build a good looking doghouse In Tennessee Yeah Will Compton probably won't be doing anything next year He might not be. Well, you never know.
I'm just kidding. He's a friend of ours.
He went back. He played for him last year.
Yes, I know. He's going to be on a roster.
He will be on a roster. That was a cheap shot.
He would actually be a great carpenter. Speaking of cheap shots, maybe Taylor Luan.
Yeah. He's probably not going to play next year.
He'll be suspended for a while. Hey, I'm going to to be my offensive line coach.
We're just roasting our guys right now. Love it.
I'm curious about another guy that you played with for a long time. One of our favorite NFL players in the history of the league on this show, Lorenzo Neal.
Best fullback. Best blocking fullback in the history of the game.
Oh, yeah. Do you think he should be in the Hall of Fame? I personally do.
I mean, I don't know what the credentials or the criteria is for a fullback, but the man has blocked for me, LaDamian Tomlinson, who's in the Hall of Fame, Corey Dillon, who was in the Hall of Fame, Adrian Murrell. I think everybody that ran behind Lorenzo has had a breakout year.
Okay. And he would do things that most fullbacks wouldn't do.
He's the type that will – he is the perfect guy. Like if you're going out, you know, with a double date, he will jump on the grenade for you like he he'll take he'll take the one that's not attractive and gladly i mean just open like hey that's mine he's a fullback yeah right yeah that mentality fullback he'll jump on the grenade goes above and beyond the call of duty.
So what he would do, he would, like, go through the line of scrimmage. So there's an isolation.
He has the middle linebacker, right? But he's so talented. He'll see a guy come off the tackle.
Let's say it's the three technique. He'll chip the three technique, right? Then he'll chip another guy, the outside linebacker, up to the uh the middle linebacker flatten him and then go to the safety i mean he was just that because he's a low center of gravity he can move he's very nimble in in between space and he would do that consistently get three or four guys along the way and that's something you just can't coach he willingly did that for what 13, 14 14 years.
So yes, in my mind, yes, Lorenzo Neal should be in the NFL Hall of Fame. I agree.
Are you going to have a fullback? Of course. Yes.
Listen, one thing we are going to do here is we are going to run the football. How well? I don't know yet, but we are going to run the football how well i don't know yet but we are going to run the football i love it matter of fact i would you got the eligibility left you look like a good fullback you you by the way you have do you you don't have eligibility left but i think you could still like what i had a tweet the other uh probably a couple years ago because you're one of those guys who still has all the muscle.
How many yards could you get in NFL Sunday right now if you're behind the best offensive line, your current age? Oh, my God. The way my knees feel, I would probably get what's blocked for.
I would say if I got 25 carries, I could get 25 yards. No, stop.
I don't believe that. That's not bad.
I mean, that's only two yards less than the career. The way my knees feel right now, there's no way.
No way. But you know what? The league is not as physical as it used to be.
It's true. You just saying 25 carries, people listening right now are going to be like, what is he talking about 25 carries? No one carries the ball 25 times.
And that was a light day for you. Yeah, it was.
It was anything less than 25 carries was a beautiful day. Yes.
Yes. I was used to 30, 35 times a game, sometimes 40.
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Is it the Heisman? Is it the wonderful father and husband? No, you can't do that. Is it the Heisman? Is it the four Pro Bowls? Is it AFC champion? What would be the first thing? I would say the Heisman.
Okay. I would say that.
I mean, that trophy is probably the most prestigious award that you can win. I believe in all of sports because you have four years to try to get it done.
It takes one special year to do it. And the competition is so thick.
And it takes it takes it's a team award, really, because you have to be on the right team at the right time and have the right moments to attain it. And there have been some awesome, awesome players, College Football Hall of Famers, as well as NFL Hall of Famers that that trophy has alluded.
You know, Eric Dickerson. I think he should have probably probably wanted when he was at smu uh marshall faulk you could see the same thing um but uh i was fortunate to win it so yeah i would definitely say the highest okay i'm curious to hear you yeah so that's incorrect uh the answer should be and and this is going to be uh schooling some of our younger audience right now but the answer should be the first cover athlete on Madden all time.
Because that is iconic. And I think people are like, wait, no way.
Yes, in the 90s, the cover of Madden was always Madden himself, and you were the very first player to be on the cover of Madden. And I remember that game so vividly and, you know, seeing the first player on it.
So I think that should be the answer. That's something that people should bring up more often that, you know, now we're what year 20 of having cover, you know, athletes on the cover, but you were number one.
You can only be one, there's only one number one and you were it. Yes.
And you know what? I'd never thought of that as an accomplishment, but now that you mention it, you're absolutely correct. That is an iconic game, which I still play to this very day.
My sons do it. If you go back to that first game that I was on, I mean, everybody looks the exact same.
Running backs look like linemen. Linemen look like corners.
And everybody moves the same. The graphics are like this.
Now you have this 3D world. It's so virtual.
It's cylindrical. It's amazing to look at the graphics.
It looks so real. But you look at that game, it's like, yeah, that's a video game.
Yeah. No, I really do believe it.
Like that's something that, you know, Pete, there's been what a hundred Heisman winners. There's only one guy who was the first athlete on, on one of the best video games.
He's only been 20 of them too. I'm one of one.
I think you also were the inspiration for the truck stick, weren't you? I may have been. Yeah.
I don't think there was a truck stick on the prior one. No.
Yeah. I think my truck rating might have been a 98.
Yeah. I believe.
My speed pissed me off, though. They pissed me off with the speed.
I think they had made an 87. Oh, you got caught all the time by, like, a defensive lineman.
Well, no. In the game.
In the game. In the game.
In the game. In the game.
In the game. in the game in the game in the game that happened you were you were a part of uh i think my favorite collision in the history of the nfl the one with ray lewis i see that highlight all the time you guys that was when you guys were both like at the peak of your careers both going downhill right at each other hit each other in the faces it was just like a face-to-face smash you fall out of bounds you get up and you just start barking at each other, hit each other in the faces.
It was just like a face-to-face smash.

You fall out of bounds, you get up, and you just start barking at each other.

Do you remember what you were screaming into his face

and what he was screaming into your face right afterwards?

I said, Ray, my God, what beautiful eyes you have.

And the black paint under your eyes just really highlighted that much more.

You're a really lovely man.

No, it was the heat of the battle.

So, you know, we've... really highlighted that much more.
You're a really lovely man. It was the heat of the battle.
We've always had battles like that. We've had several collisions before that.
Some he won, some I won. And when we were in Baltimore and Tennessee played back then, it was a war.
I truly mean that. It was a true battle it wasn't about the scoreboard it was about hitting you with bad intentions and if we could take you out of the game that was that was the victory period in the story you know that that's how it was and if you lost your life that day playing that team of us, it was fine.
You were comfortable with that. So that was one of our last battles.
That was the last battle that I had with Ray in the Titans uniform. And it was very emotional, you know, that day for me, because I felt that that was my last year in the Titans.
I knew it was going to be my last in in a tight uniform and I had remember I dislocated my shoulder uh in the second quarter and I thought it was done for the day and I was so pissed off I was like I'll be damned there's no way there's no way I'm going to miss this game because of my shoulder I told him to strap this motherfucker up and let's go yes Yes. You know, let's go after it.
And if I died today, you know, trying to beat the Baltimore Ravens and so be it, but I was not going to leave that field, lose that game or the image of me. And that Titans uniform was not going to be a me walking to the locker room and holding my arm.
It was going to be leaving that stadium victorious. And that's what it was I would imagine your durability I mean you never missed a start in your uh you know career with the Titans Oilers slash Titans and and when we joke about like the carries I don't think people fully sometimes realize how crazy it was in the NFL uh you know 20 years ago you had a year in 2000 when you had 400 plus carries which is just stupid to think about now.
What was the closest you were, though, to missing a start? Were there times where you were like, oh, man? Oh, yeah. Oh, God, yeah.
There was a few times. That year, I had a separated ridge.
I had a sprained knee and a turf toe that I was fighting in 2000 when I had accumulated all those carries. I was the walking wounded.
It was a game we played against the Washington Redskins on Monday night and that's when I felt a pop in my foot, and I could not walk the next day. We wind up playing Baltimore the next week, and I'm like, I don't know if I can play.
There's no way for me to play. And I thought that I can practice all week long.
I sat down during practice. I got to the game day, and I said, hey, if I can walk, I can play.
So I wound up walking without my boot, felt good, strapped it up and went out there and went my way to getting over 100 yards. And that's how I went for the most of the year.
So I came very close to missing some games and shutting it down just to get healed of it. Maybe I could have played a little bit longer and i did that so uh but i have no regrets yeah 403 is crazy i would say that your career kind of disproves the existence of the madden curse because if anybody was going to get cursed after that it would be you being the first one and you how many years did you play after that i played uh three more years yeah and that was technically theden year.
That was the Madden year. Right.
So 2001 was the cover, but it was the 2000 season, and you have an incredible season that year. So, yeah, the Madden curse is kind of bullshit if you just look at the first year.
That's what I said. I don't look at it that way.
But other guys, you know, they've gone through. The following year I had my worst season.
I didn't rush for 1,000 yards. That was the only time I've never rushed for 1,000 yards in my entire career, with the exception of Dallas, which was like a pit stop and a cup of coffee.
So I really don't count that one. But, yeah, that was the only time I ever missed a game or missed 1,000 yards.
The Cowboys, like forget that you're on the Cowboys. That's when they do the weird uniforms like Emmitt Smith on the Cardinals or Randy Moss on the Titans.
Yeah. Eddie George on the Cowboys is definitely – it feels weird.
It was very weird from the beginning. And I remember looking in the mirror for a preseason game wearing the Dallas star and the the white jersey the blue numbers the silver pants and I grew up in Philadelphia right so I grew up hating Dallas and I've always hated Dallas but yet and still I'm like God what are you doing to me I'm a Dallas cowboy like this is can't embrace this.
This is disgusting. And I didn't feel – you know how you say when players say you look good, you feel good, you play good? Well, I felt none of that.
And I did not play well at all. Yeah.
That's interesting to me because I wonder if there are other players out there that grow up as diehard fans of super teams or like a specific team, and then they join when they get to the NFL, they get drafted by their rival growing up. If there's like a small bit of them that looks into the mirror and is like, this doesn't feel right, you know? Because it's just human nature a little bit.
It is. I mean, especially when you've been with the organization for, you know, five, six, seven plus years, eight plus years.
It's weird. It's weird.
But look at Tom Brady. He was with New England for, what, seven, 16 years and goes to Tampa Bay and feels comfortable in that environment, comfortable in the uniform and locker room and COVID time.
I went to the Super Bowl. So I guess it works with different people.
Yeah, for sure.

Can you just pretend that me and Big Cat are recruits?

I want to hear your pitch as a head coach.

You've got to work on, like, living room presence.

It's something that we hear about all the time.

Really?

You come into our living room.

I know we're probably outside your demographic as 35, 36, 37-year-old white guys.

No, absolutely not.

If you want to just, like, give us the pitch, why should we go to Tennessee State? Well, first of all, Tennessee State is a wonderful university. It's a great tradition.
You're in a city of Nashville, Tennessee, which is probably the greatest city, one of the greatest cities in all the world, one of the greatest destinations. No state tax, a ton of fan base.
We are building something special here from the ground up, something that you can definitely be a part of. You can go to Alabama, you can go to Ohio State, you can go to all the other schools and walk into that tradition.
But if you're going to be one of the pioneers of starting something fresh, something new from the ground up, come be a part of that. Can I give you a couple notes? Is that all right? Absolutely.
Okay. First of all, you have to recruit the mom first.
You didn't say hi to mama. Well, I don't see mom.
I'm looking at two 35-year-olds. It was a little rude to imply that we didn't have mothers.
I'm talking to the guys in the room. I don't see a mom.
I don't see a sister. I don't see a grandma.
You still have your shoes on. What the hell? take your shoes off when you come to the house jesus christ oh really that's how we strip down okay i apologize let me take your shoes off my shoes take your shoes off my short my mom brought out the sweet tea and you didn't even compliment her on a recipe it was lipton but you didn't even say what tasted taste too good.
And then the other thing, you brought up state income taxes. Wink.
Gotcha. Say no more.
That's it, right? Especially when we're walking into this image, name, and likeness era where you can get paid for that. And what better place? Can you tell me any other college city in America where you can take advantage of your name, name image and likeness from marketing side to get a chance to keep you know most of your money austin exactly thank you go ahead yeah austin texas yeah yeah that's a good one that's a damn good one yeah but yeah yeah um i had one last question so uh you obviously played with steve mcnair who's a legend of the game.
What was he like? I feel like that's another guy that to the younger audience, they don't remember watching him, and they might not remember how awesome it was and how different it was to watch a guy like Steve McNair play in his peak like, you know, being in the huddle with him and watching him play every single Sunday? Man, Steve, God, he was a, a country boy at heart. Never liked to live, never liked to work out, but was always in shape.
Like just one of those guys that was just naturally strong and strong-willed um did anything he would do anything for anybody give you the shirt off his back um sacrifice his body and for the for the for the good of the team and god i mean he just his his energy and his spirit in the hud, you knew you had a chance to win every single game, no matter the situation. Just to have the confidence, like, no, this guy is going to find a way to win the game.
He could be throwing – he could maybe throw him for like 80 yards during the whole course of the game through four quarters, playing – having a piss-poor game. But if it comes down to that last-minute drive or that last one play, he was going to find a way to win.
You could see it in his eyes. It just permeated throughout the team.
So having played with Steve for most of my career, all of my career, was a tremendous honor. You know, he had a knack of eluding defenders and finding ways to extend plays.
He was a quiet leader. But I tell you what, the man was just a joy to be around off the field as well.
You know, he had some wonderful times together at the games talking and sharing a beer or two and telling stories. He always wanted me to come down to his farm in Mississippi with him and his brothers to have some moonshine.
I bet that was, yeah. Man, listen, you know, it was good.
And I hate the fact that we can't share these times now together, these stories together. This is what it's all about after you finish

playing the game and sharing the stories of what it was like playing, being our teammates and playing in these games and the wars that we had and what we're doing now in our lives. You feel kind of cheated of that.
But Steve was just an awesome, awesome player. And I would advise any young kid to Google Steve Ayer McNair of Alcorn State.

If you are going to see spectacular quarterback play, he's like a man among men. It was crazy watching him play.
Yeah. One of the best highlight tapes to watch is his college reel.
Because you're right, he was so much bigger, but not only was he bigger and stronger, he was more agile, he was more nimble than these guys. And he had a howitzer on his arm.
because you're right he was so much bigger but he was not only was he bigger and stronger he was more agile he was more nimble than these guys and he had a howitzer on his arm that year yeah he did was he um the year that he got mvp he was the co-mvp co-mvp with peyton was he peyton manning you got to see him behind the scenes when he when he won that a little bit i would imagine was he was he excited about being co-mvp or was he like god damn it I wish I was the MVP he was he cried I mean he was excited uh we all saw what he went through to get to that point I'm talking about the years prior to that you know there was a playoff game where in in our first playoff game against Buffalo Bills you can look this up I think he threw for under 100 yards the entire game didn't have the confidence confidence to throw a five-yard out. And to mature into the quarterback that he was in terms of calling plays to line of scrimmage, checking into different plays, manipulating defenses and safeties and corners and all of that with his, you know, looking them off.
I mean, he became a master of his craft. And when he won the MVP award, we stood up, applauded him for about 10 minutes.
It seemed like, and he was truly overwhelmed by it. Truly overwhelmed.
So yeah, he was very, very thankful and happy that, Hey, you know what? He didn't mind sharing it with Peyton, but I'm glad he got his just due. Yeah.
Oh, I forgot one last question. Is the Heisman that you won, is it still broken from the x-ray machine? No.
They fixed it. That was fixed.
I should have kept that because the middle finger on it was broken. Yeah.
It's a great story. Yeah.
What was it? LaGuardia made you put it through the x-ray machine? They maybe put it through the x-ray machine. That's crazy.
I'm like, dude, what the hell? I'm going to hijack a plane with a trophy? And I'm looking at the security guy. He's looking at me.
And I'm like, there's a stare down. I'm like, I'm not going to put it in there.
So finally, the SID told me, said, Eddie, just go ahead. We'll deal with it on the other side so I'll walk through the security uh belt for the x-ray deal and I'm waiting on the other side for the trophy to come out and it's the the conveyor belt stops and I'm like okay and then he starts it again it stops it's not.
It's not moving. And then there's like this kind of a panic thing.
And then he looks in the x-ray machine. He says, all right, push it.
It's stuck. So then he reaches inside, grabs it by the leg.
And he says, all right, go ahead and move it forward. So he pushes it forward, doesn't move.

He says, okay, put it in reverse. Put it in reverse, tries to unjam it, doesn't do it.
And he's doing this for about five minutes, trying to pull him back and forth. And he says, okay, let me get some Vaseline and put it on top of and around the x-ray deal so we can pull out.
So after 10 minutes of this, I am clenching my butt cheeks like, oh, my God. He is destroying my trophy.
What is it going to look like when he pulls it out? So he finally pulls it out, and the middle finger is, like, bent backwards or forward like this. Because it's like this, and it's like the hand.
And I'm like, okay, so who's going to pay for this? Are you? So instead of getting an argument, the Heisman Trust sent me a new one. And ironically, it became a Jeopardy question.
Who was the only Heisman Trophy winner to ever break his trophy? Yeah. And you didn't even break it.
You should have kept that, though. TSA broke it.
have right i should have but i the highest they have it they still have the same trophy i should i should try to get it that's wisdom later on though because like as a as a 21 year old and you just have the biggest perfect thing right you have the biggest moment of your life and then all of a sudden the next morning the the trophy breaks i just so you know we've we've had a few heisman trophy winners on here they take a lot better care of it now when joe burrow came into the studio after he won they had like got like security team and a huge case so i think that maybe that's another eddie george you know rule afterwards that they they're like you know what we're not gonna let this trophy break going through security at laguardia it would have been very funny like a SportsCenter commercial if Danny Werfel was behind you in line at LaGuardia as you're getting the trophy and he gets stuck, the entire line gets held up because your eyes miss in there. He's like, come on, Eddie, move it.
All right, you're going to miss a flight. That would have been great.
Yes, yes. Well, Coach, this has been awesome.
We really appreciate your time. Best of luck, and thanks for doing this.
Hey, man, I enjoyed it, guys. Thanks a lot.
Have me on any time you want me on. I love it.
We'll take you up on that. Oh, and fuck Ohio State.
Just fuck Ohio State. I had to say go big blue.
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Okay, let's wrap up. We have a Monday reading for the people.
This one is interesting. It's New York Times, so we're in the New York Times, and and it is titled what is chuggy you know it when you see it can you spell that for me c-h-e-u-g-y and then underneath it says out of touch question mark basic question mark a new term to describe a certain aesthetic is gaining popularity on tiktok thank you new york times for reporting on this here we go.
Okay, TikTok, I have a new word for you that my friends and I use that you clearly are all in need of. HaleyCain24, a copywriter in Los Angeles, says in a TikTok post posted on March 30th.
In the video, she gestures to another video of a girl who is describing the type of people who get married at 20 years old or have millennial girl boss energy and who wonders what do we call this kind of person i never wondered what to call she just used a lot of different words that she already used yeah how about how about girl boss girl boss major girl boss energy yeah girl boss i should think if i see girl boss energy i'm like that's a girl boss hank has girl boss energy sometimes but i mean that's a compliment like it's actually pretty sweet to see you operate you're like your goals thanks yeah yeah i agree girl boss uh all right so she says what are you okay no i'm fine no you don't look fine i meant it as a genuine compliment like girl boss is the best thing you can call somebody i don't know how i could take it any other way all right so she goes on. I keep seeing videos like this.
Miss Kane says in her tick tock. The word my friend is chuggy.
Huh? Okay. It's not quite basic, which can describe someone who is a conformist or perhaps generic in their tastes.
And it's not quite uncool. It's not embarrassing or even always negative.
Chuggy pronounced chuggy Can be used broadly to describe someone who is out of date or trying too hard This is the New York Times writing this by the way Is that CAP PFT? It's CAP It's CAP On my binary system of CAP No CAP This is CAP Big time CAP What was the definition again? It's, oh, so, choogy can be used broadly to describe someone who is out of date or trying too hard. Again, I just have to say it.
New York Times is writing this out of date, trying too hard, New York Times. I would never, like, even, first of all, it's not that it offends me, like the description.
Well, it says, no, no, no, no. See, it says it's not supposed to be mean.
No, it's not mean. Even though it's very mean.
It's not mean at all. It's the meanest non-mean word.
I think the most choogy thing you can do is to write an article about whether something is choogy or not. Right, exactly.
I agree. All right.
It says, and while a lot of choogy things are associated with millennial women, Hank again, the term can be applied. No, Hank's not a millennial woman.
I'm just saying like girl boss.

Dude, being a girl boss, it has nothing to do with gender.

It's girl boss energy.

Any gender can give off girl boss energy.

What are some characteristics?

I'm a little bit confused.

Just goals.

Yeah.

Just goals.

Vacationing.

Hard.

When you vacation, you vacation hard.

That's girl boss energy.

You're also like, you're a bad bitch that takes no prisoners.

Okay.

Okay. You get a little bit angry at us when you're on your period.
All right. And while a lot of chuggy things are associated with millennial women, this is the meanest non-mean thing ever.
Yeah. The term can be applied to anyone of any gender and any age.
It's not just a way to describe people according to people who've embraced the word. Would you say even maybe like mid-30s white guys? Well, we're going to get there.
The following are also choogy. These are a list of things that are choogy.
Okay. The Hype House.
What is the Hype House? That's Josh Richards and the Sway Boys. Netflix.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no. No, that's Netflix, right? They're the opposite.
They're the enemies. Breonna Chicken Fry told me it's Netflix.
They got a Netflix show. Hype House.
Yes. Okay.

Sway Boys are their enemy.

Thanks, Chicken Fry.

Golden Goose sneakers.

Yep.

Anything associated with Barstool Sports.

Whoa.

Damn.

Cap.

Just fucking right at us.

Sheesh.

Sheesh. Gucci belts with the large double G logo.

That's cool.

Well, why would you buy a Gucci belt and not get the Gucci belt that has the large double G?

It'd be like going to get a fucking Ferrari and be like, you know what? Take that fucking horse off. I don't need the hood ornament.
Yeah. Yeah, get out of here.
You know what? I'll buy the Magnum condoms, but you can put them in the regular size box. Yeah.
Dude, I wear a Mercedes Benz fucking jumpsuit, and I don't own a Benz. All right.
So the Gucci belts with the large double G logo. Being really into sneaker culture.
That's another shot. Ray Dunn pottery.
Sorry. And anything Chevron.
I don't understand the gas part. Gas.
The gas. If you get your gas from Chevron, you're chuggy.
It is kind of a try hard move when there's a shell station just down the street. Yeah.
Yeah. The Ray Dunn pottery, by the way, I looked it up.
It's actually fucking fire. It's basically just pottery with just words on it.
So it's like cookies. And like, here's where you put your coffee beans.
And it's fucking cool because everything's just laid out for you. Okay, I like that.
Yeah, like off-white. Yeah, kind of.
Also, Sneaker culture. Big Cat, you have, yeah, you have like the most most shoes of anyone I know.
Right, and I work for Barstool. So yeah, I'm Chewgy.
And everyone knows I walk around with Gucci belts. You're Chewgy King.
So it's funny to me. And I always get Chevron.
So yeah, obviously. I wonder if it's like...
I wouldn't be caught dead at a Texaco. Does Chevron have like a shirt line I don't know about? This probably has nothing to do with the gas oil magnet.
Yeah. No, NASA's just cool.
NASA's just hype. Chevron.
No cap. Wait, but this Chevron isn't capitalized.
Are we sure they're talking about the gas station? Find it for us then. Is there another Chevron? That's not a proper noun.
I have a feeling that this last minute of part of my take, when someone who knows what Chevron is, is listening to it, we will never sound more out of touch than we do right now. But here's the thing.
That doesn't make us choogy. Right, because if we're not trying too hard, then we would know already what that is.
Well, no, if we were choogy, we would be like, of course we know what Chevron is. That'd be a try-hard.
Right. Wait, I think I'm right.
Really? What is it? A line or stripe in the shape of a V or inverted V, especially one on the sleeve of a uniform indicating rank or length of service. Right.
That's just a Chevron pattern. So the Chevron logo has that V on it.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
So Chevron. No, but I think you might be right.
I don't think it's the gas. New York Times, AP Style, they would have capitalized that C.
Damn. If they were talking about the gas station.
Oh, it's right. When AP Style.
Big facts. MLA bitches.
Damn. You spell out the one through nine.
You don't write the number. That's so true.
Good point. All right, so Chevron, not the gas.
Oh, I think it's like you see Chevrons on a lot of shirts and like soccer jerseys. Right.
They might just be like the pattern on a shirt is chuggy. Damn.
Which I kind of agree with. That is chuggy.
Okay. One of my friends, this is a quote from Ms.
Cain, by the way, on her TikTok. One of my friends said, lasagna is chuggy.
Who doesn't think lasagna is chuggy? Basic. What is it? The second layer of pasta and cheese where you're like, this is now becoming chuggy.
That is actually tried. If you're actually breaking it down, just how it works.
Like if you just eat spaghetti, that's normal. But the minute you start adding extra cheese and extra layers of pasta, it's like that is trying to twice baked potato.
Yeah. Yeah.
I, all right. When it comes to lasagna, I think lasagna can be chewy.
If you go to like a trendy restaurant and they're like, is our uh vegan lasagna where all the different layers are like shaved eggplant that's when they try to add ingredients that have no business around i think grandma's lasagna like imagine telling an old italian grandmother that you're not going to eat her lasagna because it's chewy yeah just smack you in sorry the throat with a spoon you're you're such a normie grandma yeah all right things that things that are decidedly un-chuggy, according to these people, are thrifting, making your own clothes, handmade products. This sucks.
Yeah. You basically have to just work your ass off.
You have to work in a sweatshop to be un-chuggy. Or you have to be like a Native American 400 years ago.
Yeah. Levi's jeans, Birkenstocks, home decor not found at Target, looking good for yourself and not caring what other people think.
That confidence exudes non-chewiness. I'm just going to throw this out there.
Whenever someone actively says, I don't care what everyone thinks, you care what people think. Absolutely.
100% of the time. Why would you say it? She's like, yeah, look at these.
These jeans don't really fit. I look kind of frumpy in them.
I don't care what people think. Yeah, you do.
I think that it is the peak of chuginess to go to somebody's house, look at their decorations, and then like turn, you see a live, laugh, love poster on the wall and you're like, where did you get that? And they're like, if they target then you're like okay it's cool as fuck yeah right but if that's a target no uh i'm out if you have one of those like old french martini posters on your wall yeah you better fucking get that at walmart yeah it's all it's also funny because in like six months or whatever it's like those things that they're saying well like once other people think they're correct are like outdated and then target yeah home decor will actually become cool yeah yeah because it's like you know ironic yeah that's essentially all internet culture is is hating things and then eventually loving it because you've convinced everyone else to hate it well it's your group of friends all being on the same level and agreeing to hate certain things at certain times and then you move on like a pack together and then when a pack reaches your former level of irony, you hate those people This is what happened in Nickelback That was you five years ago Imagine Dragons The Office, I think it's the only thing that outweighs it If you still watch it, it's still funny but there's like corny ass memes and shit about it but it's still very good I have seen some some choogy backlash to the office for the gifs and the memes I have seen that like it's a basic bitch thing yeah that's what I'm saying but if you watch it it's like objectively funny I noticed they didn't say under the list of choogy things coffee memes so I think I'm good'm good. No, you're good.
I think that one is like two levels behind on the irony. You laughed the irony on it.
The person who called me out was like, this is Facebook mom status memes. I was like, oh, really? So you just got that? Uh-huh.
But okay. So the person who's writing this, I think we've all kind of been in her shoes before where if you are online, you just want to feel like you're smarter and better in a different way than somebody that you already don't like.
So she found people that she already doesn't like on TikTok and she's like, I'm going to create an entire thing in my head so I can point at them and be like, this is why they're bad. You're just desperately trying to get on the inside of the joke.
Yes. At all times.
But you can't. It's one of those things where you can't be a writer for New York Times and be cool on TikTok.
Correct. It's never going to happen.
Or you can report on the trends. All right, so let's pick it up.
So all those things were said by Gabby Rasson, 23, a software developer in Los Angeles, who coined the term. She said she started using the word back in 2013 while attending Beverly Hills High School.
This is what I've been telling you about California teenagers. They fucking create words and then they just label you with them.
And they're like, that means you're not cool. She wanted a way to describe people who were slightly off trend, but she couldn't quite come up with the right term.
So she created her own. It was a category that didn't exist, she said.
Yeah, you made up a fucking word. There was a missing word that was on the edge of my tongue and nothing to describe it, and Chugi came to me.
How it sounded fit the meaning. Also here, there's an Instagram account called ChugLife, and it has Chugi Instagram captions listed.
20 fun on 21st birthdays. I'm feeling 22 on 22nd birthdays.
Thank you, next. Life's a beach.
I did a thing after dying or cutting your hair. I thought you meant dying.
No, that would be funny. If you died and you're like, I did a thing, I died.
Dying is the most choogy thing. Guys, quick update.
I i died i'm dead you make all your friends like come to a party for you when you're not even there all right so the word spread among her classmates and camp friends and when her friends went off to college it took off on their campuses everyone in our sorority knows the word choogy isn't being in sorority kind of choogie yes it absolutely is right i think

everything can be choogie yeah everything can be choogie if somebody dislikes you enough to want

to force you into a choogie yeah right said abby siegel a producer and former student university

of colorado buffalo uh or boulder who said she learned the phrase at a summer camp that ms rassen

also attended wow but choogie was in no way mainstream until miss kane posted her tiktok

it you know what the coolest thing to do on the internet is is fucking find the root person for every single phrase this sounds awesome all right it quickly amassed hundreds of thousands of views inspiring explainers though chugy has slight negative connotations i'd say more than that people who use the term said they often identify as chugy themselves oh this is like hey i can, I can make fun of it because I'm also half choogy. My mom was a choo.
Yeah, it's either that or like we're taking back the word. It's our word.
That is such a cop out. You can't call me choogy anymore because you're not choogy.
A bunch of California teenagers made a word to basically call everyone in the rest of the country lame. Losers.
But they're like, bought a throw pillow from target so i can do this my listen my dad died okay so we have i have to the ultimate ghosting move i've got choogy in my blood yeah my dad died his last words were i did a thing yeah um everyone can be choogy said ms siegel everyone has something choogy in their closet we didn't attend for it to be a mean thing some have claimed that it is. It's just a fun word we used as a group of friends that somehow resonated with a bunch of people.
I think my biggest complaint in all this is if you're going to invent a word and take credit for it, have it be a better word. The word itself is choogy.
Yeah. Like choogy, the word is fucking choogy.
Also, just be mean about it. You want to be mean about it.
We know you want to be mean about it. Don't fucking say like, oh, we can all be chuggy.
They're sugarcoating it. Yeah.
The women also don't claim to be the arbiters of the term. It's also totally open to your interpretation, said Ms.
Kane. That's such a girl boss.
Send something to our group chat and be like, is this chuggy? And some will say yes and some will say no. Michael Kodis, 24, an actor in Los Angeles, how's that going for you, dude, discovered the word on TikTok and it immediately resonated as a niche descriptor.
I was like, oh my God, this is the perfect word, he said. It is a certain subgroup of people that just don't quite get it.
I'm actually going to disagree, Michael. I think we totally get it.
We like the things we like and if they're lame, we don't fucking care. Mountain Chug.
Yeah, what the fuck? Yeah. That guy was mean.
That guy had some girl boss energy. This guy is very much still in search of his own identity.
He's a 24-year-old aspiring actor in Los Angeles, and the only thing that makes him be able to fall asleep at night is to be able to laugh in his head and be like, did you see that mom on Facebook from Columbus, Ohio? What a chew. Yeah.
Did you see the family I went by in the park and their kids weren't wearing Levi's? Yeah. And they had a Gucci stroller.
I can't imagine sinking myself to that level. At the end of the day, it's just about people wanting to feel like they're superior to somebody because they have a label for them.
They're chug. All right, Alex Lugger.
Are they trying to make people brand themselves or carry papers? I don't know. They always identify themselves as chugs? All right, this one.
This guy doesn't really fit in, but I love it. Alex Lugger, 32, a boatmaker in Springfield, Missouri.
That doesn't fit. The teenager from Beverly Hills High School and the actor 24 year actor in Los Angeles said that she self-identifies as a bit chuggy she also I mean I would think living in Missouri makes you can't be a bitch it's like being pregnant you're either pregnant or you're not right that's the thing they're doing to you Alex you don't understand just the fact that you live in Missouri means that the coast you know the LA're a chug.
Yeah. And they're making you, what they're doing is they're making you hate your own culture.
Correct. Correct.
She also learned about the word through TikTok. We were basic in our twenties and now we're chuggy in our thirties.
Ooh, I like that. That's actually.
I like that. Yeah.
Yeah. If you can't handle me at my most basic, you can't, or no, what is it? If you can't handle, if you, if you don't love me me at my basic you don't deserve to hate me at my truth so what happens in your 40s i think you die you just die yeah you die chugy is just the latest in a long line of niche uh identifiers that have gained traction on the internet where people relentlessly categorize highly specific archetypes uh in starter pack memes and videos.
It's no coincidence that Chugi gained traction on TikTok, a platform that has functioned as an escape from Instagram's once dominant aesthetic, which is the pinnacle of Chugi. Oh, fuck.
Live fast, die basic, and leave a Chugi-looking corpse. Damn, Instagram.
That's the wrong song, said. Instagram is the Chugist.
Kelly Wright, an experimental sociolinguist and phd candidate at the university of michigan already can tell she's a chug who studies language said that with the rise of social media we see this is where new york times like they just were writing they're like hey let's write about this stupid word that tiktok made up and now she's got a fucking interview a phd person come on i think what we're all dancing around here a little bit is like they're just trying to think of different ways to describe salt bay and they finally came up with a label for him congratulations all right i'm skipping her uh uh let's see let's see oh she says a lot of shit uh and for any millennials worried about being behind the trends that's us ms kane said not to worry i think millennials have noticed that some things we use to consider choogy are coming back in style and aren't choogy anymore she said when i was first introduced to the word in 2015 low-rise jeans were choogy now six years later low-rise jeans are back in style and i don't think they're choogy anymore that's a great way to end this piece that like you know everyone gets a second shot when they're labeled with choogy nature is healing the cyclical nature of the choogy we need one person that's in charge of determining where the choogy line is drawn at any given point like who's the most millennial ass southern calif ryan rusillo ryan rusillo the chuggy god he's definitely millennial but yeah like whatever ryan whatever ryan happens to be into at that time that is now chuggy yeah that's true so just weightlifting is chuggy weightlifting is chuggy now i physical yeah keeping your body in good physical health kind of a try hard move would you say this we have a lot of chug on this podcast yeah i'd say We're Chug Forward? Yeah, we your body in good physical health, kind of a try-hard move. Would you say this? We have a lot of chug on this podcast.

Yeah, we're chug forward.

Yeah, we have way too much chug.

We're overflowing with chug.

I wouldn't want to be anything but chug, honestly.

It basically says that you kind of know what's cool, but you're late on everything.

And I'm cool with that.

The definition with literally anything associated with Barstool Sports is literally the definition.

Well, PMT isn't really part of Barstool.

True.

The difference is because what you just said and described i think you might be so choogy that you're not choogy really yeah self-awareness of the juke you've achieved the singularity uh where you know how like computers one day will achieve like oneness with the human brain yeah That's what you've just done with the Chug. You might have just killed Chug.
Yeah, you're right. One man has killed Chug.
I do think that Target has very affordable home decor. If you're decorating a dorm suite or one of your first apartments out of college, you can't go wrong with their posters.
It's also, when you really break it down, what they're doing is they're basically just being like, poor people are gross. Like, ew, ew, ew, you got your fucking couch from Target.
It's a million ways to be like, oh, that cast iron tree, oak tree that you hang on your wall that says nothing is important to me as family and my home.

The fact that you paid under $500 for that means that you're worse than I am.

Live, laugh, love.

Could you imagine being poor?

Fuck that.

All right.

That's our show.

We got an awesome interview coming on Wednesday.

Yeah.

Get excited for that.

And then we got some stuff coming on Friday.

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We have a very chewgy guest on Wednesday. Very chewgy guest.
You guys will love it. All right.
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We have a very Chew Gashow guest on Wednesday.

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Do we have a 69 ball in there?

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That's fine.

69 is actually a Chew Gashow number.

42.

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