Baylor’s Jared Butler, CBB With Tate Frazier (And Mark Titus) Plus Fyre Fest Of The Week

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On today's part of my take, we have Baylor star, superstar, Jared Butler, ready for the Final Four on Saturday. Talk to him.
We also have Tate Frazier of Titus and tate fame diehard unc basketball fan also college basketball analyst so we're gonna talk to him about roy williams retiring and the final four before we get to oh we got fire fest we got a little opening day uh april fools before we get to all that ever had one of those days when it's just too cold to keep working nah neither has ariot a. Ariat work jackets and boots are packed with all the cold-stopping waterproof protection you need to get the job done under any conditions

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Today is Friday, April 2nd. April Fool's, guys.
Get it? Gotcha. I think it might be...
Now, I don't want to be accused of not liking fun, but I think April Fool's... It feels like I was ready for there to be a great April Fool's return, because last year was obviously serious with COVID.
No one really hit it. Some brands did.
So Volkswagen hit it with the Volkswagen saying that they're going all electric so they're changing the K to a T. And then I'm pretty sure Hank's hot seat cool throne of Michael Strahan.
I'm pretty sure that was an April Fool's, wasn't it? Because we even said during the thing, we compared it to Anthony Davis shaving the unibrow in April Fool's. Does.
Does he still have... Are his teeth normal still? Has he come forward and says April Fool's joke? I don't think so.
I'm still categorizing. I'm just going to pretend that Michael Strahan has gap teeth.
I'm uncomfortable with it. The best one that I saw, the only one that it made me laugh.
Also, it was two days before. Yeah.
Well, you know, getting when people can't get got. DJ Quick had the best one by far.
He had on Instagram, he posted, I'm on my way to the hospital. Someone just shot into my car seven to ten times on the freeway.
I got hit twice. Pray for me.
And then the next Instagram story, four hours later, was, oh, yeah, April Fools. I forgot to add that second part.
That's awesome. That's a great one to be like, hey, guys, just kidding.
I'm not dead wasn't there a nfl player a few years ago that said that they got a dui and they posted like a thread apologizing for it and then they came back and said april fools like the joke was i got arrested yeah like i blew a 0.20 the old marshall henderson uh social experiment billy did get caught on april fools he actually came in and he the first thing he said to me is like seen any good April fools I got my I'm high alert I know that someone's gonna try to get me but I'm not gonna get caught and then maybe five minutes later he announced to the entire office Julian Edelman's going to the box and I said Billy what did you just say five minutes ago about April fools he's like shit got so this is it was Bruce Irvin it was Bruce Irvin when he's on the seahawks here's what he tweeted out this is 2015 before this hits the media i just want to apologize to my fans and the at seahawks organization once again i made a terrible decision driving after i had a few drinks i will do everything to get your trust back and will become a better person out of this haha how many y'all thought i was serious haha april fools i love the real April Fool's jokes that I can go for. Yeah, I like those.
The ones that are a little too serious. There's also my other favorite is when a brand creates something but it's actually just a really good idea.
So I saw Culver's Restaurants did the Curder Burger, which is just a cheese curd inside of two patties or buns. I was like, wait, that shouldn't be a joke.
You guys accidentally joked on yourself because I want that on the menu. Yes.
I'm a little disappointed in brands this year because you had two full years to cook up these April Fool's tricks, and you didn't. Although I kind of look at April Fool's like a lot of drunks look at St.
Patrick's Day when they're like, oh, it's amateur hour. When you lie 365 days a year, you get pissed off at the brands coming in and try to act like they run the place one day.
Right, right. Like, leave the bits to us, guys.
Yeah, it wasn't, you know, there was nothing really great. Anything, Jake, that you loved? Because you are the wholesome one on this show.
No, I didn't see anything that stuck out to me. When I tweeted about Roy Williams, people were like, it's a joke, bro.
You fell for it. Yeah, so we're going to get to Tate with that.
I don't think that's a joke. I think he is actually retired.
Would be funny if he... Well, the presser is actually in four minutes at 4 p.m.
Oh, wow. See what he says.
He's probably going to say Dan Gummick. Dan Gummick.
Imagine if he walked in and did the locker room little dance thing. That would be incredible.
He's going to Duke. April Fool's, I got four five stars.
Just signed him. Boom.
I'm back. I love it.
Yeah, it is opening day, and I've got – I have a confession to make. What? I'm doing an experiment this year.
I've decided – To watch baseball. To own a fantasy baseball team.
Oh. I am the proud proud owner of fantasy baseball team in a zero dollar a year league on espn with random people you're really going to care about this no i am i care i did my draft last night i got juan soto is juan soto no matter what on my card and uh i am the seam head express is coming through that's the team name i am going to be a major league baseball fan this year.
There you go. Just like of the entire league.
That's awesome. Just of the stats.
That's great for a league with you don't know anyone and no money. It's almost more important to me that way.
What do we think, bet-wise, how quickly till PFT just forgets he has his team? Three weeks. Nope.
Nope. Three or four weeks.
You want me to run through my entire roster? No, we definitely don't need your entire roster. Yeah.
No. Yeah.
As soon as you like, yeah, you're just going to miss a transaction or something or not start someone. You just be like, or the fact that you don't know anyone.
There's zero reason. Wait, wait, wait.
What do you mean? I don't know. No, no.
You don't know anyone in the league. Yeah.
That's almost better. I will respectfully disagree.
I'm doing this for the love the love of the game usually playing fantasy the only reason you play fantasy is to stay in touch with friends right well so i i had some help doing my draft one of my friends that i used to play rugby with in college he was he's been in fantasy league for 19 years he's won five out of those years but the people that started the league with him two people in the league are now major league baseball general managers whoa and they went to the same high school together whoa and so he's like this dude's legit my roster's fucking stacked i'm ready to go i do love when people have their stats that they're ready to go they're like listen 15 years four championships three runner-ups you could say that i know my fantasy it is never missed the playoffs it is impressive that he beat two major league general managers who currently serve in that position right now. I would say it's semi-impressive, but also when you break down fantasy, usually the person who wins has the most time on their hands.
Yeah, that's true. He's bounced around a couple jobs.
The guy who can be the most active on the waiver wire usually wins fantasy. So I think it's made perfect for slackers.
It actually evens the field when you play against real baseball. I think I also have to call it a rotisserie league.
Yeah. Well, how's the scoring work? I'm not sure.
This is too much about fantasy baseball. I'm not sure.
It's very complicated. So, yeah, opening day is here.
It's fun to do the tried and true. This guy's on pace for this many home runs, season's over, you know, the good stuff.
You just bring it out for one day. It is fun to have.
Opening day always does feel like a big deal, and then you realize, oh, yeah, it's just cold weather baseball for the rest of the month, and it kind of sucks. There was snow in Detroit today.
I love those early season games in, like, Minnesota and Detroit where the weather is just like shitty. It's the snow games, and then you have a month where nothing happens.
Then you have the fight, and then you have a month where nothing happens. Then you have the B delay, then the home run derby.
Did you see in the snow game Miguel Cabrera hit a home run, but the ball got lost in the snow, so he thought he hit a double and he slid into second. Oh, he accidentally ran fast around the bases? It was pretty fucking cool fun and then bryce harper's shoes yeah clown shoes bro although those don't so i i when i first saw him he if you missed it bryce harper is wearing the philly fanatic basically a stuffed animal philly fanatic on both of his shoes but it was the uh like practice shoes you know how like guys would do that in the warm-ups he did he wasn't wearing in the game.
So he gets credit for just being very festive about opening day and hope springs eternal and all that stuff. I was going to say that if somebody tried that in the NFL, Roger Goodell would call in a drone strike on him during a game.
Guys do it with the practice cleats because that's when they can express themselves. So I saw this one other thing that I'm very excited for this season.
The Giants manager, Gabe Kapler, he has a message that's written on his whiteboard in his office that says, win time of possession. So that's what the Giants are going to try to do this year.
They're going to try to control the pace of play and keep the defense on the field as long as possible so they get bored. That's what Gabe Kapler's strategy is.
It might work. It might.
He says you like, you only have so much attention in a three and a half hour game, so putting them on defense makes it more likely that they're going to make an error. I actually kind of believe that.
Yeah. Like old school smash mouth baseball.
Absolutely. Play a little small ball.
Keep them out there. Then we also have NFL pro days are still going on.
Justin Fields is now, he has been the anointed one to fall down draft boards for no reason whatsoever. I saw that there was a report.
Dan Orlovsky was saying, so he wasn't, Dan Orlovsky was doing the old, I'm not saying it, but people are saying it to me, which when you do that, you're still carrying the water for the people and giving them credence. And one of the points was that Justin Fields, they don't know if he loves football enough.

The guy, Justin Fields, who basically brought Big Ten football back.

Yeah, the guy that broke his ribs.

He had Drew Brees happen on the field, and then he came back like one series later and dominated.

I do think Dan Erloff is getting a little bit of a raw deal because it is one, like, one guy takes a quote, tweets it, and then everyone runs with the tweet without ever actually watching the video and the contacts, which that does suck. Like, admittedly, that sucks.
But it is anonymous scout season where teams, I just assume whenever we see, like, Justin Fields slander, Justin Fields, it's a team somewhere in, like, the 5 to 10 range that's hoping that Justin Fields will fall to them. Exactly.
That's obviously – it's smokescreen season. Right.
So if you have somebody from the Jets being like, Justin Fields sucks, I'd stay clear. If you have like the 49ers being like, man, Justin Fields is not going to take him.
At the very least, you can encourage somebody to like try to trade up and waste some picks behind you. Yes.
yeah it's definitely smokescreen season i've just decided that there are too many good quarterbacks i don't know who to pick out of the lot i think that i like i think i like zach wilson i think because although if you want to talk red flags not a captain not a captain we've talked about this but it's very very hard to not be a captain as a quarterback in college. You want to hear a take? It's almost impossible.
Billy, this is what you should have done with your quarterback bracket. You should have had Kyle Pitts winning the entire thing.
I think Kyle Pitts should get drafted number one. Yeah.
Kyle Pitts. It's like with Josh Allen, you want to run through the things that you have with Kyle Pitts.
He runs like a deer. He is a chess piece mismatch.
And then he keeps opposing defensive coordinators up at night. Yep.
Those are the three things that he does. Negatives, his name is Kyle.
Yeah, he does not look like a Kyle at all. No, but what do you mean? I'm just saying, we work amongst several Kyles who look exactly like Kyles.
Yes. Kyles are funny dudes.

I like Kyles.

They're quirky.

Yeah.

I mean, they rage hard, and they pound monsters.

They bang monsters constantly.

Yeah.

But they're usually-

Are you doing their love life?

No.

Usually, Kyle will also have the racing strips on the side of their car.

Maybe the- What are you going to say? Punch walls. You have a mic in front of you.
Yeah, they punch walls. Punch walls.
They care too much about a sport they excelled at in high school. Billy's so into opening day that he's giving me the signs to steal home.
Yeah, I like it. With a mic in front of him.
I like it, Billy. That's awesome.
But yeah, I think if you look at teams that won Super Bowls recently, you can go through the list. They all have dominant tight ends.
Is the tight end the new quarterback? Yeah. Because it seems we've forgotten about Gardner Minshew pretty quickly on the Jaguars.
They're game changers. Yeah.
Tight ends are the best. Yeah.
All right. What else do we have? We have, oh, the Final Four.
Do we, are we expecting it just to be Gonzaga versus Bay baylor i think we all are right yeah i'm gonna bet on ucla to cover but i think gonzaga is gonna it's gonna be like a backdoor cover situation yeah i want i want ucla to win just because i like mick i like hep somebody pointed out to me it was um it was j reich 511 on twitter we should be calling hep hep c yeah we actually we did we did a sports advisors and Rico Bosco said Hep's last trip and we're like what the hell is he sick and then someone asked what's his name and I was like probably Hepatitis right that has to be it his full name is Hepatitis hisitis C. So, yeah, I'm excited for the Final Four, but it definitely does not feel like the most anticipated Final Four.
Let's just say that. It does not.
It's going to be Gonzaga-Baylor, and we're going to watch it. Yeah, the Battle of Texas, and then Gonzaga versus UCLA, and hopefully Gonzaga-Baylor happens on Monday night.
That would be, imagine if we get, like, oh, Houston-UCLA would the lowest watched. Yeah.
Well, no, because you got UCLA. You've got a big audience.
It's nice out there, Los Angeles. What time is the game? Like five, prime surfing weather.
That's four or five hours. Yeah.
You have people stuck in traffic. You can't have that.
There's an element of Rick Pitino coached Mick Cronin.

I didn't realize that.

What a great job.

Another feather in Rick Pitino's cap.

Basically his national championship if they win.

Yeah, we're going to let him put the tattoo back on his shoulder if they win this one.

That's fair to say.

Yeah, it will be the games.

Jake, you're a college basketball expert.

How do you rank this?

You've been to a bunch of Final Fours. I've been to one Final Four.
I've been to a bunch of tournament games. You've been to a Final Four.
Yeah. You know what? Maybe we'll ask Billy this question.
No, no, no. But where do you rank this? If we can get Gonzaga-Baylor, I actually wrote a blog about this.
It would be great for inter-college basketball fans, but the casual sports fan, maybe they won't set aside the time. If it was Duke versus Kentucky in the championship.
Right. Oh, I also, speaking of that, I have to walk back something I said on Wednesday.
So I got confused. Sweet 16 had crazy numbers.
Elite Eight didn't. Right.
So hopefully they don't keep the Elite Eight on Monday and Tuesday. Yes.
So we have some hope. Yes.
Well, in fairness to you, we had just finished the Elite Eight, so they didn't have the ratings yet. Thank you.
You just meant to say it was 16. I appreciate that.
Thank you, Jake. Yeah, I hope that they go back to the old way.
But what happens if there's a positive COVID test this weekend? Are they going to delay the entire thing about it? Did you see the Baylor coach? The Baylor women's coach was like, listen, just stop testing. She said no one should get tested.
Don't test. You know what? Only the winners, only the champions should have access to COVID tests.
Yeah. I do think, yeah, I mean, it would be quite a story.
I mean, the Nationals and the Mets having to cancel the first four games of the season kind of sucks. Oh, shit.
Do I have to bench Juan Soto now? Yeah, you do. This sucks.
You're already behind. Fancy baseball sucks.
You already are behind. And Max Scherzer.
God damn it. What happens when if there were to be a Tesla? You'd think that they would delay the national championship on Monday, right? It depends.
It's in a controlled environment. I don't know.
Let's just hope. Knock on wood.
Oh, by the way, Bill Walton never texted me back, but we did hear through his people that he wasn't allowed to come on because of ESPN. Oh, okay.
Yeah, but whatever. It's fine.
No, that's good. BK, you got to talk that up.
Be like, Bill Walton banned from part of my take. Oh, yeah.
By ESPN. They won't let us have these people on.
No, and then shout out that one AWL who tweeted me saying he saw Bill Walton on his bike and just screamed at him go on part of my take so just keep doing that and hopefully eventually he'll just i don't know end up in a bad you know acid trip where he's like i gotta do part of my take not a really good acid trip yeah well bad one where he's like just forgets everything is like i gotta do this podcast yeah yeah and then we bring him back to then it's like, there we go, Bill. We're back to the light.
Anything else before we get to our interviews? Anything else? Anything else? Kittle did a prank too. That was mean.
No, that was actually very funny. That was the funniest one by far because he's our friend.
Yeah. Everyone thought it was Jaguars.
I thought it was hilarious. Yeah.
And he Avi to a troll face. A-V-I is how you pronounce it.
Wait, which troll face was it? It was the OG troll face. No, you do an impression right now that's bad radio.
Do the troll face. Oh, that's good.
You gotta pronounce chin, Bill. I like that.
We've got Roy Williams emotional at the podium and it's not an April Fool's joke. Is he crying? Oh, yeah.
That is really the saddest part, is we're losing one of the all-time best cries. So we can get into this with Tate if you want, but I actually do feel like my take about him being a better coach than Coach K has been vindicated at this point.
How so? So by the stats, since he's been at North Carolina. So since he's been at North Carolina, North Carolina has five Final Four appearances.
Duke's only had three. They've won the ACC in the regular season nine times to Coach K's three since he's been there.
They've made the NCAA tournament. They've only missed it once.
Duke has missed it twice, I believe. Yeah, twice if we're counting last year.
Oh, okay. Well, they bowed out.
Yeah, yeah. But what about Coach K having more championships and more wins? But since they've been – because he coached for longer, I think Roy Williams – Well, Roy Williams is at Kansas.
I think Roy Williams has more – He coached for a long time. I think he's got a higher winning percentage than Coach K does.
Okay. But, yeah, at Kansas, that was the previous iteration, though.
But you could also make the argument that Coach K at Duke had Christian Laettner take him and essentially single-handedly won those two national champions. Without that one shot against Kentucky, people wouldn't talk about Coach K the same way that they do right now.
That's all I'm saying. I think that Roy Williams has been a better coach since he came to the ACC than Coach K has.

So it's not career.

It's just defined as ACC.

Yeah, I mean, you could make the argument for career, but I think in terms of the ACC,

it actually is cut and dry that Roy Williams has been a better coach since he's gotten to the ACC.

That's not really an argument.

Although, but Coach K has more national championships than the ACC?

I think that's since Roy Williams got there? I I would say yeah, I think so, right? Two? Three? So they won in 2010 over Butler and then 2015 over. No, and North Carolina has three.
No, they have two. 2005, 2009, 2017.
Oh, okay. So wait, how many? No, Coach K also won in 01.
91, 92, 01, 2010 All right. So wait, how many?

No, Coach K also won in 01.

91, 92, 01, 2010, 2015.

So wait, that's before Roy Williams got there, right?

Fair.

He got there in 03 after he used to be Kansas. So we're just defining it as when he went to ACC.

So how many titles does Roy have?

Three?

Four.

Three.

Three?

And Coach K has five.

Correct.

Okay.

But Roy Williams, that Chris Jenkins shot, would have been four.

Yeah, that's true.

Or his tie game.

I mean, you could do that.

Yeah.

I know.

Yeah.

No, we should do that with Christian Laitner.

That shot missed.

The UNC shot went in.

Now they're even at four.

Yeah.

I mean, I hate Coach K, but I think his resume is still better than Roy Williams.

Yeah.

Gordon Hayward and Chris Jenkins, switcheroo.

Four-four.

Yep.

That's it.

Roy's a Hall of Fame coach, too.

Yep.

Fantastic coach.

All right.

Let's get to our interviews.

First up, we got jared butler from baylor who's playing on saturday and then we're going to get to tate frazier and talk a little more rory williams final four unc before we do that when your home system or appliance breaks down american home shield will help fix or replace item, no matter its age. Visit AHS.com slash listen for 20% off any plan.
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It is Jared Butler from Baylor. Awesome to have you on.
Congratulations, first and foremost. Pretty damn cool to be in the Final Four, especially given everything that's happened this year.
So has that – what's the, like, plan going into the Final Four? Like, did you guys – the game was late. You guys finished the game Monday.
Have you had, like, a second to let it all kind of soak in and be like, holy shit, this is pretty damn cool. We're two games away from immortality.
Yeah, totally. Like, making it to the final four is just a pretty cool thing um cutting the deaths down like just a big hoorah whatnot and um i think it's different for some people like different people they were like even at the celebration they were like oh we got two more to go like you know don't they're not even happy at that celebration there's other people that are just like wow we made it to the final four and kind of taking like a day and a half to get over it and um yeah so but it's definitely important for us to like reset and be like all right we gotta it's go time especially today i think today is probably like the last day you could ever think about it right where did you fall in that spectrum were you like were you celebrating were you were you going crazy or were you like hey guys stop stop smiling we got a game to prepare for no i was um i was one of the guys, like, when I woke up, like, I was over it.
So I think that was good. So do they tell you how to cut the net down? That's always confused me because it seems like there are some guys that get up to the top of the ladder, and they know exactly how to, like, cut down the net properly so the next guy gets his piece.
They don't give you any advice. I usually take, like, a big piece.
Like, I try to biggest piece I can get like you know and I'm like I need to you know I don't know just put it

on my hat and just have extra just in case but yeah that's me they don't tell you anything so

I was reading an article about how you know you last year you obviously were thinking about going

to the NBA you came back to Baylor you worked on your defense and uh one of the things that you

said helped was you were watching film in a different way what was that how did you like

Thank you. you worked on your defense and uh one of the things that you said helped was you were watching film in a different way what was that how did you like for me defense always comes down to really effort but you clearly got so much better in so many different ways how did you do that yeah that's a great point like most people don't watch film for defense and like you know they don't see different plays where they could have you know know, gotten a steal or like just a better technique.
But, um, yeah, I was like, um, just, just want me and one of the assistant coaches, uh, just watch film and, um, there'd be so many instances where I was like, man, I could have got the steal or I knew that that pass was going to, you know, come and, um, after just watching film, I was just like, all right, I'm, I'm not hesitating anymore. I'm just going to, you know, the ball and see ahead.
And watching film helps you do that, to see ahead. And, yeah, that's really helped me a lot this year.
When you were growing up as a kid, were you daydreaming about playing in a Final Four? Because I remember when I was a little kid, I would think about hitting the last shot, the buzzer beater. And there would always be a particular play I would run.
I'd do the countdown out loud, like, three, two, one. Is that something that you thought about growing up? Is there, like, a specific dream that you'd have or a play that you'd run in your own head picturing yourself in this moment? Yeah, for sure.
I was always the kid that, like, I wanted to go off in the incident of a tournament, like, just have, like, you know, just, like, 10 threes in a game. Like, that was my dream.
The game-winning shot was, like, of like, yeah, I guess everybody done that, like as did that. But like, I just wanted to go off and just have like, you know, back to back to back to back threes.
And just people are just like, wow. Like, you know, that was kind of like my dream.
Well, that could happen on Saturday. How, how much harder is it to shoot in Lucas oil stadium versus the places you guys played your earlier games, you know, Hinkle and all the other places that the games were taking place.
Yeah, it's so different. Just the backdrop and, you know, how far the back wall is from the, you know, the backboard.
So it's still a perception change. And it got to me.
I'm not allowed to first – the first game we played in the Lucas Oil. But, like, um but like at this point i've i've um i've like had to come overcome that and just be like all right like i'm we're gonna play on these courts and like this is gonna happen and um i've been shooting better since then so uh yeah i'm feeling good about it are you fully vindicated now in your decision to return to baylor for another year like have you officially silenced the haters since you got to a final four? You're like, look, I made the right choice.
Yeah. I think I went to another level and saying like, you know, I came back to Baylor.
And now like, I don't play for people's, you know, vindication or validation or, you know, I don't play for people's, you know, opinion on me. Like at this point, I've become just at peace at just where i'm at in life and my basketball career and who i am as a basketball player and um so like i think that's where i'm at i'm i'm i'm over the like you know trying to prove the haters or whatnot you know what i mean yeah and it's a double for you because you uh didn't go to the nba and also you were originally enrolled at alabama then transferred tolor.
So you have like – I mean, I know that you never talk bad about Alabama, but you watch that game and you're like, oh, well, that could have been me on that court losing in the Sweet 16. Yeah, totally.
But I think, yeah, Bama's done a great job this year. And, yeah, it's a good feeling to be, you know, one of the Final Four teams, man.
It's amazing. Credit to you.
You never talk bad about Bama. That was nice.
Good job. It was a really good political answer.
Yeah, that was a really good job by you. Do you like Alabama? No, I do.
The reason I left Alabama wasn't, like, some, like, you know, nasty type thing. And then most of the guys that are at Alabama now, like I only know about three guys, like John Petty, Alex Reese,

and Herb Jones.

So, like, and there's a new coach, Avery Johnson,

not there anymore, so yeah.

So when you decided to go to Baylor, I read on Wikipedia,

so it's probably wrong, but it said that you decided,

like when you were being recruited,

you were confused why they weren't recruiting you harder.

And was that actually, like, it ended up being a great technique where it was like, nah, we don't, we don't want this guy. And it made you want to go there more? No, no, it didn't.
So like the reason why I was mad that they didn't recruit me earlier is because my high school coach sent two other players to Baylor, Ricardo Gallagher and Tweedy Carter. And so like, it was like a no brainer, like the next best kid under the coach like you know they're gonna they know who I am and they just took to like the last month of my my junior year you know the summer period and then they finally offered me so I just felt kind of disrespected and um no so and I ended up coming to Alabama and I think I I held on to that grudge a little bit but um ultimately God just said, no, this is where you need to be,

and we both had to let go of our egos, you know what I mean?

So Saturday, you're playing Houston.

Let's say there's 10 seconds left.

You're down one.

Who's taking the last shot on your team?

Are you saying to Coach Drew, like, hey, I'm the guy, or maybe not?

I don't know. I need to know.
Who's taking the last shot on the Baylor Bears? I think it's usually – it depends on who's got it going, like, throughout the game. You know, I think it's easy to tell who's, like, you know, who's been hitting shots and, like, in the last five minutes, like, what happened.
But I think either way it goes, like goes like um it's just like that's just a weird question because it's definitely just falls on who's got it going and and who's got the best chance for us to make it i was just trying to get a headline grab because i wanted you to be like yeah i'm taking the last shot i'm the man you're too nice i know you're too i know but i had to take my shot that was me taking the shot you got to take it okay how about this you're you're the coach but you're also playing but you're two different people, but I had to take my shot. That was me taking the shot.
You got to take it. Okay, how about this? You're the coach, but you're also playing, but you're two different people.
But as the coach, if you're drawing up the last play, who gets the last shot? Oh, man, that makes the question even harder. I'm not going to lie.
But I think, again, you just got to go with the hot hand at the time of the moment. Yeah, I mean, you said earlier, you didn't dream about hitting the last shot necessarily.
You dreamed just going off so at what point have you went off during a game what is that like 24 26 points is that going off yeah or like if i haven't missed the through the whole game that that means i'm usually i'm usually on or like like that means that that's um indication for hotness i guess yeah i think you I think the West Virginia game and the Kansas game this year,

I feel like you were in the zone in those games.

Let's ask it this way.

There's four Jared Butlers and then one Masio Teague.

Who does Coach Drew have take the last shot?

Who's ever got the hot hand?

If Macy was hit like four called guys in the game,

like, I mean, or five called guys in the game, you got to go over to him Jared's hit, like, four or five three-pointers, and you gotta go to him. Wait, what's a call god? Oh, you've never seen...
Do you watch our games? Yeah, I do, but I did not... Well, I have watched way too much of Baylor.
I just said that Kansas game, the West Virginia game, you also beat my team, the Badgers, in the second round. But I'm not cool enough to know what you guys are doing.
I know the mullet guide can dunk, which is crazy. But what is the call God actually? Like, how did that start? Macy was like signature, like, celebrations.
After he's the three, he's like, call God. You know, it used to be just like, just call me.
But now it's like, call God. He raises up to the sky.
It's like, you know, he needs some help. Okay.
So if he hits a couple call God, what's the difference between calling God and praying? Kind of the same thing. Yeah, same thing.
Well, one God's on speed dial, I'd assume. Yeah.
The other is just hoping he gets the message. One is like you're leaving a message after the tone God sends you direct

he hits the ignore button but call God

it's like I got a direct line

when you pray it's delivered when you call God

it's got a read receipt on

yeah I like to snap God

just make it disappear

I like to page God

he's still got a sidekick

I shoot him a quick page

hey can we get this game

so what's it like right now

I'm still thinking about that zoo. But, like, what have you guys been up to to kind of keep you together and keep your minds from watering too much? Yeah.
It's a grind. Cause like you literally have nothing to do for me personally.
I've just been like trying to find good movies on Netflix, which is like the hardest thing in the world. Cause like, you know, it's just, it's just Netflix.
We play a lot of connect four and it's been a lot of competitive connect four games. we've been you know just doing that we play some cornhole in the in our meeting room um some guys got ps4s whatever and um that's about it just you know grind it out you know what was the level of panic in the villanova game uh when you guys were down early because i you know you guys do have such a great team and I feel like the the strength of your team is that you guys when you want to just ratchet up the defense you feed all off that and you guys start basically runs on defense but you guys are down at half was there any panic was there any like uh what's going on guys why aren't we playing better or was it like hey if we just get a couple stops here we're gonna be back in this and beat them yeah there wasn't any panic but um I think it was just like a all right like you know like we gotta like um buckle down or like get serious or like all right there's no more fooling around like you know um and like and I think that changes all the aspects of our game and sometimes when we're not hitting shots it can our defense.
But I think we change from like, all right, our defense is going to be good no matter what. And we're just going to live with how it is on offense.
And, yeah, I mean, once our defense picks up, it's pretty hard to beat us. But, yeah, I think that was a good change.
It's fun watching when you guys are like, all right, we're going to just start shutting teams down. Because you jump on them, and it's like, holy fuck, now they're up 10 out of nowhere.
Back to Netflix real quick. A little birdie told me that you're a big rom-com guy.
What's your favorite rom-com? I'll always say The Breakup with Jennifer Anson. That's a good one.
Although, that one doesn't really have a great ending it's kind of an like well i guess i guess they kind of you like that you like that they split up wait no they get back together at the very very end they look at each other they see each other on the street the look in their eyes you can tell i think they're back do you think they get back together i don't know i think so like i don't know i don't know but like i love that like i love how we're just even debating about it you know yeah yeah these guys being dudes what about good one what about love actually that's a good one and the actually yeah love that have you never seen love actually like explain the plot a little bit it's like six different plots going on at once it's pretty much the best rom-com of all time it's fantastic you'd love it. It came out like what? 2005, 2004? 2003, yeah.
Would I actually love it? Yeah, I think if you really do like rom-coms, you'd love that. He's making a joke.
Huh? Oh, that's good. Fuck.
That's really... God damn, that's good.
What about When Harry Met Sally? No, I've never seen that one. That's the one where she comes and catches Deli, and then the other lady goes, I'll have what she's having.
No? You'd love it. Yeah.
Actually, you might not. Yeah.
PFT, ask your question about the layups. Oh, yeah, good point.
All right, so I've been watching a lot of film on you guys this year. I've noticed, I don't know if it's something that you're coached on, but your team tends to shoot a lot of layups, like a lot of runners kind of in the lane where you don't really jump.
You almost put the layup up a half step earlier, so you don't give the defense a chance to, like, key on that and go up and swat it. Is that something that you guys actually make a point of emphasis on no we actually don't um we've never talked about it in practice like we've never like oh this is like you know this is like a little finish we do it's actually just an in-game type thing all right well you do it a lot yeah yeah you i've noticed it too i mean you guys just might also be faster and better than everyone too So that also plays into it Because I've noticed that That you guys are really fast and really good So yeah Do you think sometimes you dunk too much And too hard I have thought about that Sometimes you know You gotta be a little nice sometimes Because you don't just want to disrespect the game.
And then there's other times you're like, if we were on the other side, they would dunk it just as hard. Yeah, I was going to say, listen, if I could dunk, I would only disrespect the game.
I would just be constantly disrespecting the game. That seems like the funnest part of the game is to disrespect it.
Yeah, no, but at the same time, you're too nice of a guy. You're a genuinely nice guy.
I like it. But have you gone back and like watch the tape of that game against Wisconsin? And just there were probably like six or seven points in the game where it was just like, all right, we get're you're so much better at basketball than what it's unnecessary to just keep jamming it through the crust of the earth on these guys no that was actually a pretty fun game um yeah i know like for you it was awesome you guys were really fucking good and you you locked down on defense must have been a lot of fun But like, I felt like Wisconsin was like really like, like they came into the game pretty confident.
Like after they beat North Carolina by like 20 and they're just like, Oh, we're going to be Baylor too. Like, I don't know.
I felt that, but like, I don't know if they were actually thinking that, but I just felt that going into the game. So maybe that was why I don't know.
Yeah. There's a, there's a fantastic award that happens every year where Jim Nance gives his tie to the best senior on the team that wins the national title.
You've probably heard of it. It's probably the most coveted award in basketball.
Is there a senior on your team right now that you kind of have circled as being the guy that's going to get Jim Nance's tie if you win the whole thing? Oh, that's a tough one. It's really between Mark Vidal and Macy Oteague um and that's like a tough one because mark vital's been here for five years he's been committed to baylor since like eighth grade um you know just just ridiculous you know baylor for life type dude then there's macy ot you know just you know heavy contributor you know just you know big big time competitor, I don't know.
I don't know. I don't know.
I think you got to build a statue for both of them. You got to give the net to both of them.
Oh, I like that. So the other guy with a statue there, Robert Griffin, has he reached out to you? Is Robert Griffin like around the team? Is he giving you guys like attaboys or like hitting you up and cheering you guys on? No, he doesn't.
He has reached out when we played Kansas, I think, I want to say last year. He came to the game.
He was like courtside. That was pretty cool.
I didn't get a chance to talk to him. But, yeah, no, that's about it.
I don't think he's – he's not that involved. I don't know what else he does with the football team or something like that.
Yeah. I had one last question.
Actually, I have two last questions. Do you ever – Baylor fans, they do the bear thing like this? Yeah.
Do you ever look up and you're like, this looks kind of ridiculous? Because they show it on TV and it's like a bunch of, you know, grown men going like this. And it looks a little – it's kind of like the Texas – It is awkward.
Yeah, the TCU horn frog when everyone's like this. It's a little weird.
Yeah, it's all weird. Like, majority of the time it's like a weird thing.
But I think that's what makes it, like, you know, cool. Everybody's being weird at the same time.
Yeah. I'll do it.
I'm like, oh, this is kind of awkward every time. Yeah, yeah.
Okay, that answers my question perfectly because you're right. It looks weird.
It feels awkward. But if everyone's doing it together, it's cool.
Yeah. It's actually a genius hand sign because you can't go horns down with it.
Like I'm trying to go down. You can't turn it down.
It's hard to turn it upside down. If you guys win, are you going to go Cougs down? Are you going to go like this? Do their sign down? No, I don't think it's not about us being Houston.
It's about us getting to the championship game. So it's like, why would he even do that? Yeah, that's true.
You would be the first to do it, though. That'd be cool, too.
My last question was, so fans, obviously the legalization of gambling, do people tell you the spreads? Do they, like, whisper to you? Do they you do they say hey like nice shot there at the end or anything like that are players aware of it uh i get a lot of like um instagrams or dms when like um like i just so happen to like mess up the spread or whatever um yeah but like well i mean sometimes like i just get dms and stuff like that and i just like uh that's about it but like nobody ever like comes to me and like oh this is the spread do you do you get people uh like what's the meanest thing someone said to you on dm i can't say it on here they're just like thanks f jared butler for just messing up my life and it's just like all right man like i'm sorry oh man you're apologizing don't don't apologize to those people it is it is crazy when you like because you know obviously we're passionate sports fans but you do have to i i jokingly tweet all throughout the tournament they're just kids but it's like part of the reason you know part of the entire dynamic of not getting paid which hopefully will get fixed eventually in the ncaa is like you gotta take it a little bit easier on them like you can't it's not the same as pros when you're like bashing guys online and stuff yeah no you're totally right man so next year we'll motherfuck you and then we'll feel fine about it so just get ready for that yeah yeah I'll get ready for it well thanks man this has been awesome we appreciate you uh some time. Good luck on Saturday, I think.
I'll say it. I'm rooting for you.
Everyone wants to see Baylor versus Gonzaga, so let's hope that we get that. And good luck in the game.
Yeah, appreciate y'all, man. It's been fun.
Thanks, man. Thanks, man.
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Okay, we now welcome on a friend of ours. It's actually his first time on.
It is Tate Frazier from the Titus and Tate podcast. He's actually sitting next to Mark Titus in their car.
Oh, wait. We're not even...
Sorry. Okay, we're going to start again.
We're getting hacked. We're in the middle of getting hacked on Instagram.
So, it's a whole thing. I swear.
That's actually real. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, guys. Tough day.
Alright, here we go. 3, 2, 1.
Okay, we now welcome on a friend of ours. First time on the show.
He is of Titus and Tate podcast fame. It is Tate Frazier.
He's in the car right now with our other friend, Mark Titus. Mark is texting while driving.
Very illegal. But Tate, you, so the big news today, Roy Williams has retired.
And I thought of you first. You're a diehard North Carolina fan, UNC fan.
You went there. You're from there.
So we thought who would be better to have on than you. And also maybe talk a little Final Four, which we can loop mark in at the end of that.
So let's start just off the top. How many timeouts do you think Roy Williams is bringing is bringing with him to retirement i think at least five dan uh first and foremost it's uh it's great to be on the show i uh you know big fan of the program from afar uh mark titus sitting right next to me been on the show plenty of times listen to those shows uh so it's great to be here second you asked about north carolina um i did not expect this i'm in indiana right.
We're at the Final Four. Titus is giving me a tour of Indiana as home state.
I'm seeing, you know, the Basketball Hall of Fame. I saw where they shot Hoosiers today.
I saw Hinkle Fieldhouse. I'm having a great day.
And then in the middle of all this, Dan, I get a, you know, text of my brother that just says, oh, no. And, you know, I'm thinking something in my family may have happened.
You know, I'm like know I'm like okay like what's going on here no Roy Williams decides he's not a good basketball coach and it's time to hang it up and I just watched the press conference I'm in a restaurant I'm like tearing up as I hear him talk about North Carolina basketball and this whole day has just been a whirlwind and the fact that I'm in Indiana is probably a good distraction but but the rest of it is not so good. Yeah, it's sad.
I do like the fact that you guys are always together. Me and Big Cat always get the question whenever somebody sees us in public without the other person.
Like, hey, is your co-host there with you? But you guys, it's actually true. You guys sleep in the same bed, right? Yes, yes.
That's the common misconception. We are always together.

But no, in general, with Titus being here, it's been nice because we just did,

I don't know if you guys saw this, two or three weeks ago,

we did an emergency Brad Stevens podcast,

which is all about where will Brad Stevens go next?

What is the move for Brad Stevens?

We realized it wasn't IU, but now America wants it to be Carolina. And I want to come on your show nationally and say, we don't want Brad Stevens.
I'm going to put that out there. We don't want it.
Why not? Why do I want a floundering NBA coach to be my coach? I'm trying to win championships. Oh, my God.
I hope he's now the coach of the Tar Heels next year just for that clip. Just because you put that all on the record.
Me too. Me too, BFC, because if that's the case, that I am literally going to have to riot because I do not want this to happen.
Send him to Duke. He's a private school coach.
Send him to Duke. You're going to get Hubert Davis, and you're going to like it.
I don't know. No comment.
No comment. Yes.
Do you want Wes Miller? They're going to promote from within. I am a Wes Miller believer.

I want Wes Miller to be the coach at some point in his career.

I think if it had to be now, I'm much happier with him being the head coach

than maybe some other candidates that Big Cat was just throwing out there.

I love Wes.

Carolina basketball, Wes Miller knows really well.

He knows how to recruit.

John Shire, who's the coach at Duke, assistant coach, hates Wes Miller, which lets me know he's a really good coach that's how the Duke guys are scared of him uh so that gives me more of a uh you know emboldening opinion on him but I will say in general if you're North Carolina you got to go outside the family or at least make some phone calls at least call Mark Few and say hey Mark Few do you want to leave Spokane Washington and make you know eight million dollars a year at North Carolina in Chapel Hill? I don't know. Let's see what he says.
Let's call Scott Drew and see what Scott Drew's up to. We can't call Billy Donovan because Roy Williams hates Billy Donovan, so that's not really in the conversation.
But in general, North Carolina, make the phone calls. Let's see who wants to take the job.
You know, Calipari's already reached out to Carolina saying, I'll take the job.

What about Brad Doherty running back?

His recruiting class laid the groundwork

for Roy Williams. Absolutely.

People forget that. You're right, BFT.
Without

Jawad Williams and Jack Emanuel, you're not winning that

championship. Without Melvin Scott, you're not winning

that championship. What about

Rick Pitino?

This is what the

dark web is saying. Pitino to Carolina.
Why not? Why not shoot it to the moon? I'm saying in general, you know, Argyle's not a thing for Patino. He's a New York guy, so he's got to stay north.
I like that. I've got jokes that I'm not going to say about Rick Patino because we are a pro-Rick Patino podcast.
But if I were to say something about Rick Patino, I would say that ain't tar on his heel. Not a natural fit there.
It would be fun to see Rick Pitino get a big job again, obviously. But what do you think is the timing with the Roy Williams thing? Because I have a theory that it's more about, he said he's not the man for the job right now in this day and age and age.
I think it might have something to do with the name image likeness thing happening right now. There was just, you know, the Supreme Court just heard the NCAA.
Basically, the NCAA got bent over in front of all the justices of the Supreme Court yesterday. So things are going to change.
And I don't know if Roy feels like he can adapt to that. I think that Roy Williams had, you know, I think last year really hurt him, right? You know, you have last year with Cole Anthony, you got the injuries, you're not going to make the tournament.
And in general, you go from having Kobe White, Cam Johnson, two lottery picks, a number one seed in the tournament, you lose to Auburn, but it's, you know, it's okay. Cause Auburn makes the final four.
And then you come back to that. And then you have this season, which is worst case scenario.
You have the talent, but you also have to play the game of I'm appeasing dads. It's a big time for college basketball dads.
Like if you are a college basketball dad that's involved, invested in your kid, if you're a Marinovich of sorts, you're doing great. Walker Kessler's dad, you know, I think he maybe broke Roy Williams a little bit.
He comes in there and just says, like, my kid should be a stretch five. He should be shooting threes.
And Roy Williams is like, your kid sucks. Like, your kid should not be playing.
What are you talking about? I'm a three-time national champion. And then you mentioned the NIL stuff.
I think that adds another layer to it, which is, do I really – do you want to teach an old dog nuke tricks? No. That's the rule.
You don't't do that and Roy Williams is the example of a college basketball guy of the 20th century of the the old guard per se and he doesn't want to adapt he doesn't want to change and I don't really blame him per se I just wish they had a plan in place because I think the plan right now as Big Cat said is Hubert Davis Hubert Davis will probably be the next head coach north carolina and i love hubert davis as a guy i don't know hubert davis as a coach yeah so yeah we'll see so uh how much i mean i do think that the it's not the game is passed rory by but he did feel like out of the big coaches uh you know if you want to say the big programs cal Bill Self, k he struggled the most with like the one and done and getting those you know just stacking the team with freshmen and letting him go to the lottery the next year like do you think that had something to do with it because he did feel like he never was able to fully embrace that where coach k credit to him he's a dinosaur but he did adapt he's changed his whole program i told titus this uh in this in the fall of 2009 there was a skype call that changed everything and it was harrison barnes and he was skyping in to say which school he was going to go to everyone in north carolina i was in high school at the time senior and everyone in high school was saying you know harrison barnes is going to duke he loves coach k he's going to get his business degree at duke and And then he Skyped into Roy Williams and said, I'm coming to North Carolina. The number one recruit in the country is going to North Carolina.
We all celebrate. We're dancing on coach K's grave.
We're like, RIP, you guys have Kyle Singler and Brian Zubek, LOL. Good luck.
Meanwhile, little did we know some, you know, six months later, Brian Zubek would, you know, illegal screen his way to a title and kyle singer would shoot out of his ass and beat you know a butler team in the championship game and duke basketball would then get kairi irving and duke basketball would then like you said big guy go into the one and done era which is a decade of them being able to dominate on the recruiting trail yeah um and and uh you know, just in general, it's one of those things where, you know, North Carolina at that time, I wish I could have captured the moment. I wish I could have enjoyed that, like, three-month period before Duke got back and dominated.
And I told Titus this today, Coach K won the war. Yeah.
Like Coach K won the war. Like, in 2010 2009 fall to going into 2010 duke basketball was dead carolina won the war we are one in 2005 one in 2009 duke has no hope and he was able to outlast endure so congratulations to him i have a spin zone for you because it seems like you're down here's the spin zone okay uh unlike some other teams out there that recently had a hiring uh take place chris beard is already at texas shaka smart is already at marquette and brad stevens is staying with the celtics so you can't be you can't have three high profile guys turn the job down yeah further making it an embarrassment that they have to then go get a guy who's never coached a day of college basketball and has been quote unquote called low energy to be the head of your program I'm not talking to you Titus I'm talking to Tate so that's good I will say this in general I think the North Carolina job never gets offered to anyone.
I don't think that there is a phone call that's made to a Mark Few, or like I said before, none of those guys get called, and Hubert Davis just gets bumped up, and that's kind of where we are. And as I told Titus earlier, if Hubert Davis is the guy, then I think it's an 18-month trial period, right? You see what 18 months looks like, and if it sucks, and if it looks like it's Matt Daugherty 2.0, unlike what PFC said with the recruits.
Maybe if he's got the recruits, we keep him. But if it's Matt Daugherty 2.0 and things aren't going well, you got to go outside the family.
You got to make a real hire. I wish it would be Wes Miller.
I wish it could be Jerry Stackhouse. My long shot is it could be Rasheed Wallace, right? Rasheed Wallace is a high school coach.
Whoa. Yes.
That's what I want. That would be awesome.
That's what I'm saying. Ball don't lie.
Both teams played hard. Think about that.
After a game, both teams played hard or ball don't lie. Those are two great answers to all the press.
You don't have to do anything else. I will say smoking blunts after Carolina games probably isn't what Carolina fans are necessarily looking for.
But for me, it sounds those are my long shots you play on tobacco road you can't be that picky you know you can't be like whoa marijuana no that's not our culture like we that's right we just stick to the hard stuff we invented this well just a different brand and people will then now say when I when I get excited about the idea of uh Rasheed Wallace going to be coach at UNC people will be like, well, he's never coached in college, so how can you say he'd be good, but Mike Woodson is bad? Well, I would say to that, Mike Woodson is 63 years old. If you get a guy who's a little younger, like a Juwan Howard, so to speak, and someone who maybe can talk to the kids and not be like, back in my day when I were playing in peach baskets, you'd have a little bit of a better chance.
Yeah. Yeah.
All those 17-year-olds that grew up loving the Fab Five fan. Yeah, that was.
I mean, 17-year-olds do love Rasheed Wallace. Yeah, and what about Juwan Howard being on the Miami Heat championship team? You forgot about that.
That's right. Yeah.
Yeah. All those 14-year-olds who are getting recruited right now are like, man, you know who I loved was Juwan Howard on the 92 Michigan team.
Yeah, they love the Black Sox. I also think just like a coach that's that rich that walks in the door and it's public information to see how many – he's made probably like $150 million in his career.
Yeah. Like that's cool.
You want to play for that guy. Hey, Titus, you know that when you get to 65, that's usually retirement age.
So Mike Woodson is going to be there in – Listen, listen. Oh, two years, two years.
The reason Carolina fans are all shook up about Roy retiring is that he waited until after Mike Woodson. If only he would have done this before, there could have been a bidding war.
We could have figured out which is the better job. We could have figured it right like would someone go to carolina or indiana we'll find out you bring up now we'll never know you bring up a really good point and something i love to do which is talk about just like what are the best jobs like if you were to rank college basketball jobs i would put you and see i mean definitely top five maybe top three yeah i mean for me i would titus and i were just talking about this i think that the the top two jobs in college basketball are Kansas and North Carolina and they're interchangeable to me so it's like I can go to Kansas and go to Lawrence and be king and be able to do what I need to do with Adidas I go to North Carolina with Jordan do what I need to do get the kids that want to play because of the prestige you got Wilt Chamberlain or you got Michael Jordan right at the end of the day uh Kentucky is probably number three on that list for me I I could understand.
I know Kentucky fans. I feel them right now.
They're like coming at my neck for saying they're number three. But we've seen Kentucky be a Billy Gillespie time.
We know what Calipari has been able to do, but that's a Calipari spin on Kentucky. I don't know what Kentucky is without Calipari.
They want to find that out, so we'll see. I think UCLA is the fourth best job in the country because, again, you got LA behind you John Wood behind you you got Kareem Abdul-Jabbar behind you so you got a good setup there so those are pretty much my top four and then I think my fifth school would probably be Indiana and I know you guys are going to laugh but I think Indiana would probably be my top five I think that in general you just have kids that want to play there because of the you, tradition, whatever it is.
And you have Indianapolis, which has a ton of basketball talent and the surrounding area in general. So I like recruiting states.
I like fertile recruiting states. And I like basketball states.
So I think those are my top five. I agree with you.
Indiana is definitely a prestige job, a top of the line job, which just makes the Mike Woodson hire that more baffling. Right? Like that's, I totally agree.
I said it before they did the hire. I was like, Indiana is, you know, you basically the same list that you just listed where it's like, you got a couple of the blue bloods that have been relevant in these last 20 years, they're number one.
And then, you know, what, what's up? I cannot, I cannot for greg to get fired in like three years yeah and shaka smart we'll just we'll just move 90 miles west yeah alondo tucker is gonna be your new coach and you're gonna be like i like it i like where he's a legend he's uh he is a legend he jumped out of the fucking gym dude he was he couldn't shoot to save his life. You don't need to shoot to score.

You don't.

UCLA is a perfect example.

You don't need to shoot to score.

You don't need to score to win either.

You got to play free throw defense.

Let's talk a little Final Four.

We will now let

Mark join the program

after the cheap seats comments

that he had there.

Is it just guaranteed? Are we we looking at gonzaga baylor i'll let you go first yeah yeah probably i mean gonzaga's gonna smoke ucla for sure i think houston houston's an interesting matchup for baylor but i think ultimately houston and baylor pretty much the same team and houston's just not as good at doing what Baylor does. So that's – Shooting.
Shooting. I could see Houston winning, but UCLA has no shot.
It's Gonzaga. Yeah.
No shot. No shot.
What about Hep C? The magic of Hep C up in the stands. No shot.
Damn. No shot.
Yeah. I will kind of piggyback that.
I think worst-case scenario is that Houston wins as far as, like, entertainment value because even if UCLA upsets Gonzaga, Big Cat,

you know this.

We get the Wisconsin-Kentucky moment from 2015 where America's just like,

oh, my God, I can't believe that Goliath fell.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

And the idea of UCLA being David is hilarious.

You know, the idea of a team that has 11 titles playing three programs that have no titles is now the underdog in the Final four um that's pretty ridiculous to me uh i think houston winning is worst case though because if houston's in the title game then gonzaga or ucla will beat them in my opinion so i uh and baylor's got like a weird texas thing they have an assistant coach at houston that has a son that's a coach at baylor i don't like any of the connective tissue there so there's a little bit bit of a Houston upset that I see. So I'm terrified of that.
If Houston does win, though, you'd have to, if you're an Indiana fan, you'd be like, man, the one that got away, Kelvin Sampson. The one that put that program in the depth, they had to –

Kelvin Sampson screwed Indiana so badly that Dan Dockens ended up being the head coach.

I mean, that's all I really need to do is that.

That's the perfect sentence.

That's it.

Like, you think Indiana – I mean, for God's sake.

Wait, it is hilarious, though, looking back at what Kelvin Sampson got fired for

and what the whole scandal was.

And I saw, like, Pat Forty wrote an article about it

when it happened, calling it an egregious

miscarriage of leadership

by Kelvin Sampson. He was texting

kids. He sent a few text

messages out of season, and now

looking back at that scandal, it's like

it was nothing. It was literally nothing

that he got fired for. It's literally

legal now. It was legal

almost immediately. I will say in Indiana's defense and uh like i think samson was probably going to end up not being the right guy anyway for like off-court stuff um the the at a certain point in indiana fans would have revolted anyway but uh i don't know i think he could have won enough to that it wouldn't matter like there's a lot of off court issues and that whatever we don't need to get into.
But I think he would have probably won enough that people wouldn't have cared anyway. But there was it was a little more than just the phone calls.
The phone calls were just but yeah, that is frustrating that it's legal now. And if you did it now, no one would even care, especially like given the FBI.
We were in a post FBI world where like that doesn't even register at this point, given like Will Wade is on wiretaps. Yeah.
Called. And nothing is Sean Miller.
Yeah. Wait, Titus, I'm going to actually say something nice about Indiana real quick, because I actually do think Thad Mata is a game changer.
I'm being honest. Yes.
So your old coach old coach who is a great recruiter who knows how to run a big program how much like what is his exact role gonna be i don't know i have no idea i i i tried to ask him and he i don't even think he knows i think it's just like just kind of yeah he's just kind of there he's just the guy you know what his role is? He's going to be the guy that has his arms crossed in like row six that they cut to at least once a game. Yeah.
Of course, Thad Mata involved with the program, and he's just got like an Indiana shirt on. No one can really define what he does.
That's what he is. But if you're a Hoosier fan, that's like you're basically hoping because he knows all the high schools.
He obviously knows the area really well, recruits Ohio, recru recruits Indiana. So he, as much as I joke about Mike Woodson, if that amount is actually involved here, that becomes a real kind of tandem.
I love that you're talking about Mike Woodson like he's never coached a game of basketball. No, he has.
He hasn't coached college. Wouldn't you say college is a little different? College is harder? No, college is different.
They're just kids. Dude, they're just kids.
He's going to be coaching against Greg Gard and Chris Collins. You're acting like this is going to be the hardest thing.
Yeah, that's pretty tough. Did you not see Northwestern's December when they were playing four out and he was changing the basketball? Yeah, you saw.
They beat Ohio State. Yeah, he saw it.
He said no comment. Yeah, he saw.
Yeah, Chris Collins is a fucking savvy mind. I do like the idea, though, of Thad Bata.
It's important to just have a guy that the cameras go to in the crowd. It does take heat off the coach when you have somebody.
Like, when Spolstra took over in the heat, and the cameras were just always on Pat Riley in the stands. Exactly.
It's good to take the heat off of an inexperienced coach that has never before coached a game at that level basketball yeah in fact in fact i want to volunteer my services right now i want to get involved with indiana i want to be that guy that uh i want to be involved in the program and every time things are going poorly cut to me and just be like of course like mark titus has a lot to do with what we're seeing right now yeah and just associate it associate failure with me so that way i can be the fall guy and uh i will gladly fall on the sword for for coach if they need me to um all right last question uh tate i noticed you didn't answer my question how many how many timeout do you think roy william when he cleans out his desk for the last day tomorrow he opens up a drawer and there's just like a thousand timeouts that he just never used when when when someone was making a run on unc i i think that if i'm if i'm right about what nfts are i think he can turn the timeouts into nfts and then he can become a millionaire i'm gonna miss that so much though roy there's no there's nothing and roy is a hall of famer of Famer. I like UNC basketball.
I think he's a hilarious coach and very good coach. But there was something very special about a team going on like an 8-0, 10-0 run and Roy just sitting there and being like, not going to use my timeouts.
Yeah, deal with it yourself. Yeah, it was like always a Dean Smith thing, right? You got to learn on the fly.
Like, I'm not going to help my team out. But like at certain times, like you said, Big Cat, when Texas A&M goes on a 16-0 run in the tournament, you say, all right, I think we should have called a timeout at some point.
So I love Roy Williams. He saved Carolina basketball.
I think a lot of people forget that. Carolina basketball was 8-20 when I was a kid, you know? I went to the blue-white game the year they went 8-20.
I watched the blue-white game. It was like watching two JV teams play each other.
Adam Boone was our point guard. Brian Morrison was our shooting guard.
And Jason Williams, Jay Williams, was at Duke dominating, and he wanted to play at Carolina. So I saw the worst of the worst at Carolina.
Roy Williams came, saved the program, won three titles, did all he could. So at the end of the day, I'm happy that i had the run that we had but i also my biggest fear is being in indiana basketball and i say that with love it could always be worse like yeah so much like i i just don't want to be that so like my hope is that hubert and now titus is right here about to hit me in the face about that like no you could be wisconsin where you're like always good enough oh no no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
My friend, my friend, I have the self-awareness to know that they'll never win a title. And I don't think they're anything they're not, which means that I have happiness.
Indiana fans, they're much like Nebraska football fans where they think the glory days are right around the corner from coming back right and that is torture that is true torture yeah because as we know all of the best football recruits every year come out of lincoln nebraska and if they could only just keep them and stay it would be fine which is get out of here do you think mike woodson do you think there's a chance mike woodson might fall asleep during a recruiting video no that's uber davis as i unfortunately. As I said when he was hired, Big Cat, if everyone keeps harping on how old he is, the man does not have a gray hair on his head.
Not a single one. That's a fact.
Not in his go-sheet. True.
True. He's obviously not that old.
That's the Coach K test. As long as you stay black, you're good.
Keep the hair black, dye it, whatever that's the mike woodson coach k will die at 100 with jet black hair that's true do you think

that like ultimately i know you said that coach k came back after carolina had buried him if you

were to put like coach k versus roy williams settle a bet who had the better career coaching

i mean the better career this is like a lebron jordan conversation it's like

look coach k by all accounts is by far the better career and everything but if push comes to shove

Thank you. I mean, better career.
This is like a LeBron Jordan conversation. It's like, look, Coach K, by all accounts, is by far the better career and everything.
But if push comes to shove, if you ask me who I want to be with my coach, it's Roy Williams 100 out of 100 times. Not biased at all.
Agreed. Not biased.
I'm just saying I want the guy who actually cares about me, not the devil. So, you know what I mean? I agree with that part.
Yeah, I agree with that part. Absolutely.
All right, guys. Enjoy Indiana.
People can watch you tomorrow, right? Yeah, we'll be 3X3U. Basketball will be on Twitter.
You know what I mean? It's the same thing every single year. All the conferences come together.
They have a team of four guys. They play three-on-three basketball against each other.
It'll be great. And then, you know, from there, Titus and Tate YouTube, Titus and Tate and take the podcast and uh yeah we're live in indy for the final four yeah uh got have have tape back on for god's sakes like why don't wait for the worst moment of his life as a as a carolina no that's what we want to do it yeah when mac brown retires we'll have you back on honestly it couldn't have been a better first time guys every time i come on your guy's show he's sitting right next to me and it's weird again we are next to each other all the time so i do feel sad every time yeah when sam when sam howell gets uh an injury week one yeah week one he gets an injury out for the year we'll have you back on can i can i say this uh caleb presley will back this up uh north carolina is a football school uh always has been always will be and uh you know what i mean sam howell.
Yes. That's all it is.
Yes. I like it.
Whenever we have them on in the future, it should just be like one as the primary guest, and then the other person has to sit there while we roast them. Yeah, right.
This is great. This is a lot of fun.
All right. You guys are the best.
Thank you so much. See you guys.
Thanks. Later.
See you guys. Bye, guys.
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April Fools

Breaking Moose. Breaking Moose.
What happened? Billy's fired. April Fool's.
Breaking Moose. Okay, that cow is dead.
That cow is dead. Strangling thing was April Fool's joke.
Boom. Boom.
Boom. Called it.
Suck it, Hank. Threw your normal size gap in your teeth.
Damn. What was it an advertisement for? Actually, I don't care.
Well, tell us. He has a new app coming out called the Play Barstool app where you can sign a new contest run every week.
Is he keeping it or no? So he's not keeping it? No. Yeah.
Gap is back. Okay.
The gap is back. Got it.
I wonder if he looked at himself and was like, oh, this is kind of cool. Yeah, what if he incepted himself into being like, you should actually do this, Michael? Yeah, all right.
Yeah, there it is. Goodbye to the gap update.
All right, FireFest of the Week, Hank. I have a couple.
I have a live FireFest that's unfolding as the show has been going on, but our Instagram is getting hacked. What? What did it post? We got an email login that was like someone logged in from the Czech Republic.
Yeah. And then I got another email login.
This is all as the show is going on, so I'm trying to deal with it. I-R-L-E-R-T.
And I-R-L. Yeah.
This sounds like Brogan Roback all over again. The email on your Instagram was changed from Hank at Barstool.
The phone number has been removed on your Instagram account. So we're working on it.
I'm talking to Paul, talking to Instagram, trying to get that fixed. So did they post anything hilarious? Because Spin Zone, this is the best day to ever get your shit out.
Right. Right.
They haven't yet. I don't know what's going on.

But, yeah, if anyone posts anything, it's not us.

I hope it becomes just like a LeBron James Stan account for the day.

Yeah.

Just goes crazy on it.

My other fire fest, though, before that was that this on Monday or Tuesday,

I forget which day it was, we were doing a live stream.

I was sitting next to Coach Doug's,

and there was a picture of me looking extremely short next to him uh and that got tweeted out a bunch of memes and then i lashed out uh and then just started chirping you guys unnecessarily because i was upset because there was a picture of me looking short it was honestly pretty immature of you and yeah yeah oh i know that was pft oh that's funny it was i looked perfectly It was Photoshopped. So normal you had to post Hank's pictures.
Hey, you remember that picture of Hank when he had that big chin? Yeah. That was funny.
Let's all talk about that instead. You were so not mad that you posted bad pictures of Hank instantly.
Yeah. Big pictures of me.
It was a real picture of you looking short, and then you lashed out and started digging into the Photoshop archives just to make yourself feel better. No, it was a good meme gonzaga was playing so much better and so then i had to put up a meme talking about the game that we're watching also though this is this is what this is what really you know has has kept me thinking about it because out of the blue on friday out of the blue like literally out of the blue it was friday night uh i got a tweet i was about to tweet the fat looking no facial hair photoshop pic of you as a reply to that girl who made the gas agent comment but i didn't so it's like pft knew it was a it was a messed up thing to tweet and then he i was like thank but he was hurt he was hurting so then he was shown to be small and he was he instantly went to the i'm gonna bring everyone else down with me right no just hank yeah yeah but it wasn't It wasn't even Hank's fault.
Your fault for being short. It's the live stream.
It was real. Marlon's man's fault.
It was real. I thought he was his stepdad.
He was real. I understand where you're going with this, Hank.
You would never post a Photoshop picture of me looking shorter than I normally am, would you? Again, that was Liam in the first place. You've always held that against me when it was never, I'm just an innocent bystander.
I thought you were going to fight me when I came in the office the next day. No, I was only upset because it was realistically small looking.
If it had been cartoonishly small, it was very good Photoshop. That's why he's the best.
right well i think you're like seven inches shorter in the picture so you're saying it's realistic than doug's no the the photoshopping question first of all was from russillo i think yeah four years ago rushmore of like gym guys like if you want the time stamp it was legitimately four years ago but he's holding on to that right and you're still holding on blame to me when i literally like i walked in the office the next day pft like stepped up to me with his chest this is how you get short guys trying to fucking invade all of europe i mean they just hold it in their chest forever in my tiny little chest my small little heart is filled with a yes little pequeño size piece of rage yeah uh yeah you listen i may have been wrong to post that photoshop but in the moment you got to get the internet talking. You got to get the internet moving off.
No regrets. Billy, it's a replay.
From two years ago. Hey, everyone's laughing at Billy.
That was such an awesome I just thought they walked off and won. They showed Deedee rounding the bases.
He genuine oh yes that was so sweet i love it all right pft your fire fest uh my fire fest of the week is that i got the vaccine and i'm not i can't i can't post about it on social media i don't want to be that guy that that tweets it out that instagram stories that puts it on his instagram page Instagram page. Because that's lame.
It's like, what? The vaccine doesn't work unless you put it on social media? But I want to tell people. But I don't want to use any platform that I have to tell people that I did get the vaccine today.
Right. And after getting the vaccine, I'm basically half bat.
I'm Batman. I'm a superhero.
And it made me beat Hank in ping pong. Yeah.
Sweep him, in fact. But it's good that you haven't said it.
I'm not going to say it because, like, no one – you know that guy that's like, hey, I'm a superhero and it made me beat beat hank and ping pong yeah sweep him in fact but it's good that you haven't said it i'm not going to say it because like no one you know you know that guy that's like hey i'm a back soul look at me i got i'm not going to get sick and you guys all are yeah i don't want to do that uh so it's just tough for me to keep my mouth shut about something like that but yeah that is the podcaster's burden yes um all right my fire fest is when we were in detroit this weekend on monday i few hours of free time, so I went and visited our good friend Tony Scheffler, who is a varsity women's head coach at his high school, and I gave them a pump-up speech before, I think it was like state quarterfinals, and then they lost by like 40. So, yeah, it was bad.
What did you say? I don't know. I guess I didn i guess i didn't say what did you say i was like you guys like this has been a really tough year i have watched a couple of their games because i tony's a good friend so like he'll send us a link and i'll watch it um and like you guys are great you know keep playing defense and tony's really proud of you he probably doesn't tell you guys but he tells me all the time how proud of you.
And everyone was like, great, this is awesome. They were pumped.
It was great. We shot half-court shots to loosen it up before the playoff game, and they got fucking smoked.
They probably would have lost by 50 if it wasn't. I'm retiring from the pregame speech.
Did we give a pump-up speech to that team at some point via FaceTime? There was a couple times.

I've sent a few videos.

I did one with you.

I did one with Gronk, with A-Rod.

There's been some pump-ups throughout the years.

But this one was the first live in flesh, and it did not go well at all.

They got really beat.

That's like in the office when Pam's like,

Hey, Jim, can you talk to my dad and make my parents not break up?

And then he's like, Sure, no problem. Then,, divorce.
Yeah. What did you say? Yeah.
That's whatever. You know, get them next year, but not with my speech.
We'll stop doing speeches. Billy, your fire fest.
My first fire fest was falling for Julian Edelman's April Fool's prank. It wasn't that you fell for it.
It was that you were so confidently telling me that you're on high alert. April Fool's is like the purge.
That's the best way to describe it. 24 hours of just foolery.
Yeah, like Billy, I think, woke up early this morning. He's like, not going to get got this year.
He's got post-its on his mirror like a memento. Remember what day it is.
Anyway, I got got. My second Fyre Fest is

I think it's time to neuter my dog.

When you told us the story,

I don't know if it was just me.

Billy was like,

I might neuter my dogs at some point.

I was like, you should neuter it now because that's the right thing to do.

He's like, well, he's been

jizzing all over his bed.

Billy was like, it's fucking hilarious. That's not funny,ing all over his bed no and Billy was like it's fucking hilarious that's not funny dude no no no not my bed his bed well you guys have the same bed no no I have a very well trained dog besides the jizz he's never been aggressive he's never humped anything you know he gets the casual rocket but like the best dog ever like really well tempered I was in my head like to let him grow, like let him like, you know, so he doesn't get the hip problems later in life and, you know, the nasal stuff.
And I was like, honestly, I might not neuter him. Cause I think it would be cruel to like neuter him in my head, but I will.
But, uh, yeah. So it's time because he started, I've looked at his bed.
There's like yellowish white stuff. Oh yeah.
It sounds like he's not very well trained. No, he's very well trained.
He's not going to fuck you, bro. Especially after you neutered.
Nocturnal emissions. It's nocturnal emissions.
Do you think, like, just stepping back outside of this for a second, like, do you think that the chickens, chickens dying, frogs getting fucked, dogs jizzing. Do you think any of this is normal? I'm just laying it all out.
I'm just saying what you said. One of those things is a lie.
You're right. Chickens didn't die.
The chickens didn't die. Well, no, you said that.
It was not jizzing. Yeah.
Yeah. So, yeah.
No, it's pretty typical. Chickens die.
Frogs get fucked. No, dogs.
Dogs jizz. Yeah.
You're- No, but I'm serious. These are all true stories.
He goes, like, back in time every time he goes home. Yeah.
Dr. Doobiddle.
Dr. Doobiddle.
That's good. Yeah.
Yeah. So, Billy- No, it's actually- I could actually picture Billy as being one of those dog owners.
It's like, I'm going to neuter my dog, but I want it to fuck once. I want it to know what it's like, and then I'll cut its balls off.
Yeah. He's fucking in his sleep.
No. Show him the way with the chickens.
Anyway. Do you hear him? Well, you know how dogs run and dream? Do you hear him fucking in his dreams? His bed's a dark color.
And I went over and I was like, what is he doing to his bed? Is it slobber? And then I realized. Oh, my God.
What a life. What a life.
All right, Jake, do you got a Fyre Fest to wrap us up? Yeah. It is officially the return of the schvitz.
Oh. Walking to and from work, hoodie and jeans.
I'm a big sweater, and it's, like, uncomfortable now. So.
Yeah. Yes.
Might have to start. I know you said, Big Cat, last week.
Yep. You can't really wear hoodies anymore.
Dude, it sucks. And I just, yeah, the sweating.
That's why I, this, every single year, this happens at the exact same time. I'll, like, overextend hoodie weather and be like, fuck, now I gotta lose weight.
So now I'm not eating any carbs, and it sucks. You gotta gotta start having like a an undershirt that you keep at work to change into the triple s hasn't been cold recently we might need to get it yeah because usually that's the great thing you can walk into the office and the triple s is freezing what's the triple s stool stream stadium well how can you get involved in that you download the play bar still out oh shit totally free you know it's crazy so um because i because i swept hank today like, Hank didn't win a single game and I beat him so resoundingly.
Wait, what do you mean he didn't win a single game? He didn't win a single game against me. How many games did you play? Well, only two because I won both of them.
He didn't win any? Yeah, he didn't win a single one and I beat him so resoundingly that somebody won $1,000 for betting on me. Damn.
Wait, did Hank come close to beating you? No, no. It was actually a blowout.
It was 21-16, 21-16.

And it could have been way worse than both guys.

I did the spin around shots.

I was taunting him. Oh, no.

I tried to give him an extra point when he almost completely whiffed on a serve.

The vaccine is on the banned substance list.

Is this true, Hank?

It's all kind of an asterisk.

I told them, Hank cut this part out, but when I got the vaccine, which I'm not going to mention,

I told them to put a floater of steroids on there.

It just topped me off. So is this all true, Hank? Technically.
If we're going by the factual thing that we do sometimes, yes. It was an April Fool's joke.
Yeah, that's right. That's true.
You know what, Hank? And also the shirt PFT's wearing, it was so nice. I just was...
It's a throwback. You know what I'm going to do right now just for you, Hank? I'm going to delete the tweet.
Is that... No one's seen it probably yet.
PFT, is that salmon? Salmon color? No, no. This is pink.
Different. Just be careful, dude.
Yeah, no. It's not orange enough.
I checked it out. You're going to be part of White Boy Summer.
We're not wearing salmon. Billy, he got milkshake ducked.
Oh, really? Chet Hayes is problematic?

That's crazy.

He didn't get milkshake ducked because we always knew he was problematic.

Yeah.

Like, he's not a good – we're not laughing with him.

We're laughing at him.

Okay.

Also, nice job, Billy, because I know you learned milkshake duck last week.

I did.

Good job using it in a sentence right away.

All right.

Numbers.

Do you got a fact for us, Billy?

The picture of me in the gym locker room.

I was getting vaccinated. It was Johnson & Johnson.

31. What?

What are you talking about?

8.

32.

99.

The tweet is now deleted.

I've deleted

the tweet.

31. 31.

12.

12.

Tommy.

TV 12.

Whoa.

Current Expos outfielder.

First timer.

Yeah.

Whoa.

All right.

We'll see everyone on Monday.

Have a good weekend.

Love you guys.

Cheers. Take on me, take me on, I'll be gone, in a day of time.
Talking away

I don't know what

I'm to say I say it anyway Today's another day to find you Shying away I'll be coming for your love, okay? Shying away I'll be coming for your love. Okay.
Take on me. Take me.
I'll be. I'll be.
I'll be. Needless to say.'m all dissented But I need someone in a way Slowly learning that life is okay Say after me It's better to be safe than sorry Say after me It's better to be safe than sorry.
Say after me. I feel better to be safe than sorry.
Take on me. Take me young.
I'll be right back. I'll be coming for you anyway.
He's shying away.

I'll be coming for you anyway.

Take on me.

Take me on.

I'll be gone.

In a day.

I'll be gone in a day. In a dream Thank you.