Baylor’s Jared Butler, CBB With Tate Frazier (And Mark Titus) Plus Fyre Fest Of The Week

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we have

Speaker 1 Baylor star, superstar Jared Butler, ready for the final four on Saturday. Talk to him.
We also have Tate Frazier of Titus and Tate Fame, diehard UNC basketball fan, also college basketball analyst.

Speaker 1 So we're going to talk to him about Roy Williams retiring and the Final Four.

Speaker 1 Before we get to, oh, we got Fire Fest. We got a little opening day, April Fools.

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Speaker 1 Today is Friday, April 2nd.

Speaker 1 April Fools, guys. Get it? Gotcha.
I think it might be...

Speaker 1 Now, I don't want to be accused of not liking fun, but I think April Fools, it feels like I was ready for there to be a great April Fools return because last year was obviously serious with COVID.

Speaker 1 No one really hit it. Some brands did.
So Volkswagen hit it with the Volkswagen, saying that they're going all electric, so they're changing the K to a T.

Speaker 1 And then I'm pretty sure Hank's hot seat cool thrown of Michael Strahan. I'm pretty sure that was an April Fool's, wasn't it?

Speaker 1 Because we even said during the thing, we compared it to Anthony Davis shaving the Unibrows in April Fools.

Speaker 1 Does he still have

Speaker 1 his teeth normal? Has he come forward and say, I don't think

Speaker 1 that's a good thing? I don't think so. I'm still categorizing.

Speaker 1 I'm just going to pretend that Michael Strahan has gap teeth. I'm uncomfortable with it.
The best one that I saw, the only one that it made me think about. Also, it was two days before.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, you know,

Speaker 1 getting when people can't get got.

Speaker 1 DJ Quick had the best one by far. He had on Instagram, he posted, I'm on my way to the hospital.
Someone just shot into my car seven to ten times on the freeway. I got hit twice.
Pray for me.

Speaker 1 And then the next Instagram story, four hours later, was, oh yeah, April Fools. I forgot to add that second part.
That's awesome. I like that one.

Speaker 1 That's a great one to be like, hey guys, just kidding. I'm not dead.
Wasn't there an NFL player a few years ago that said that they got a DUI and they posted like a thread apologizing for it?

Speaker 1 And then they came back and said, April Fools. Like the joke was, I got arrested for like, I blew a 0.20.
The old Marshall Henderson social experiment. Billy did get caught on April Fools.

Speaker 1 He actually came in and he, the first thing he said to me is, like, seen any good April Fools? I got my, I'm high alert. I know that someone's going to try to get me, but I'm not going to get caught.

Speaker 1 And then maybe five minutes later, he announced to the entire office, Julian Edelman's going to the Bucks. And I said, Billy, what did you just say five minutes ago about April Fools? He's like, shit.

Speaker 1 Got that. That got bad.
So this is it. It was Bruce Irvin.
It was Bruce Irving when he was on the Seahawks. Here's what he tweeted out.
This is 2015.

Speaker 1 Before this hits the media, I just want to apologize to my fans and the at Seahawks organization once again. I made a terrible decision driving after I had a few drinks.

Speaker 1 I will do everything to get your trust back and will become a better person out of this. Ha ha.
How many of y'all y'all thought I was serious? Ha ha. April Fools.
I love it.

Speaker 1 Those are the real April Fool's jokes and I can go for it. Yeah, I like those.
The ones that are a little too serious. There's also,

Speaker 1 my other favorite is when a brand creates something,

Speaker 1 but it's actually just a really good idea. So I saw Culver's restaurants did the Kurder burger, which is just a cheese curd inside of two patties or buns.
Yes. I was like, wait.
That's not it.

Speaker 1 That shouldn't be a joke. You guys accidentally joked on yourself because I want that on the menu.

Speaker 1 Yes, I'm a little disappointed in brands this year because you had two full years to cook up these April Fools tricks and you didn't.

Speaker 1 Although I kind of look at April Fools like a lot of drunks look at St. Patrick's Day when they're like, oh, it's

Speaker 1 amateur hour. Like when you lie 365 days a year, you get pissed off at the brands coming in and try to act like they run the place.
Right.

Speaker 1 Right. Like leave the bits to us guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it wasn't, you know, there was nothing really great. Anything, Jake, that you loved? Because you are the wholesome one on this show.

Speaker 1 No, I didn't see anything that stuck out.

Speaker 1 When I tweeted about Roy Williams, people are like, it's a joke, bro. You fell for it.
Yeah. Yeah.
So

Speaker 1 we're going to get to Tate with that. I don't think that's a joke.
I think he is actually retired. Yes.
It would be funny if he. Well, the presser is actually in four minutes at 4 p.m.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. See what he says.

Speaker 1 He's probably going to say Dan Gummick. Dan Gummick.
Imagine if he walked in and did the locker room little dance thing. That would be incredible.

Speaker 1 He's going to Duke. April Fools, I got four or five stars.
Just signed him. Boom.
I'm back. I love it.
Yeah, it is opening day, and I've got, I have a confession to make. What?

Speaker 1 I'm doing an experiment this year. I've decided to watch baseball.
To own a fantasy baseball team. Oh.
I am the proud owner of a fantasy baseball team in a $0 a year league on ESPN with random people.

Speaker 1 You're really going to care about this. No, I am.
I care. I did my draft last night.
I got Juan Soto, who is Wan Soto no matter what on my card. And I am the Seam Head Express is coming through.

Speaker 1 That's the team name. I am going to be a major league baseball fan this year.
There you go. Just like of the entire league.
That's awesome. Just of the stats.

Speaker 1 That's great for a league with no, you don't know anyone and no money. It's almost more important to me that way.
What do we think, bet-wise,

Speaker 1 how quickly till PFT just forgets he has this team? Three weeks. Nope.
No. Three or four weeks.
You want me to run? I'll run you my entire story. No, we don't.

Speaker 1 No, we definitely don't need your entire status. Yeah.
No.

Speaker 1 Yeah. As soon as you like, yeah, you're just going to miss a transaction or something or not start someone.
You just be like, give up.

Speaker 1 Or the fact that you don't know anyone, there's zero reason to play. Wait, wait, wait.
What do you mean I don't know anyone? No, no. You don't know anyone in the league.
Yeah, that's almost better.

Speaker 1 I will respectfully disagree. I'm doing this for the love of the game.
Usually playing fantasy, the only reason you play fantasy is to stay in touch with friends. Right.

Speaker 1 Well, so I had some help doing my draft. One of my friends that I used to play rugby with in college,

Speaker 1 he's been in fantasy league for 19 years. He's won five out of those years.

Speaker 1 But the people people that started the league with him, two people in the league are now Major League Baseball general managers. Whoa.
And they went to the same high school together. Whoa.

Speaker 1 And so he's like, this dude's legit. My roster's fucking stats.
I do.

Speaker 1 I do love when people have their stats that they're ready to go. They're like, listen, 15 years, four championships, three runner-ups.
You could say that I know my fantasy. It is.

Speaker 1 Never miss the playoffs. It is impressive that he beat two major league general managers who currently serve in that position right now.

Speaker 1 I would say it's semi-impressive, but also like when you break down fantasy, usually the person who wins has the most time on their hands. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 He's bouncing around a couple jobs. The guy who can be the most active on the waiver wire usually wins fantasy.
So I think it's made perfect for slackers.

Speaker 1 It actually evens the field when you play against real baseball hands. I think I also have to call it a rotisserie league.
Yeah. Well, how's the scoring work?

Speaker 1 This is too much about fantasy packages. I'm not sure.
It's very complicated. So, yeah, opening day is here.
It's fun to do

Speaker 1 the tried and true.

Speaker 1 This guy's on pace for this many home runs. Season's over.
You know, the good stuff. You just bring it out for one day.
It is fun to have. Opening day always does feel like a big deal.
And then

Speaker 1 you realize, oh, yeah, it's just cold weather baseball for the rest of the month, and it kind of sucks. There was snow in Detroit today.

Speaker 1 I love those early season games in like Minnesota and Detroit where the weather is just... awful, just like shitty.

Speaker 1 It's the snow games, and then you have a month where nothing happens, then you have the fight, and then you have a month where nothing happens, then you have the B delay, then the home run derby.

Speaker 1 Did you see in the snow game, Miguel Cabrera hit a home run, but the ball got lost in the snow, so he thought he hit a double and he slid into second. Oh, he accidentally ran fast around the city.

Speaker 1 It was pretty fucking cool. Yeah, it was pretty fucking cool.
And then Bryce Harper's shoes. Yeah, clown shoes, bro.
Although, those don't.

Speaker 1 So when I first saw him, if you missed it, Bryce Harper is wearing the Philly Fanatic, basically a stuffed animal Philly Fanatic on both of his shoes, but it was the

Speaker 1 practice shoes. You know how guys would do that?

Speaker 1 He wasn't wearing them in the game. So he gets credit for just being very festive about opening day and Hope Springs Eternal and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 I was going to say that if somebody tried that in the NFL, Roger Goodell would call in a drone strike on him during the game.

Speaker 1 Guys do it with the practice cleats because that's when they can express themselves. So I saw this one other thing that I'm very excited for this season.

Speaker 1 The Giants manager, Gabe Kapler, he has a message that's written on his whiteboard in his office that says, win time of possession.

Speaker 1 So that's what the Giants are going to try to do this year. They're going to try to control the pace of play and keep the defense on the field as long as possible so they get bored.

Speaker 1 That's what Gabe Kapler is doing. It might work.
It might.

Speaker 1 He says, like, you only have so much attention in a three and a half hour game, so putting them on defense makes it more likely that they're going to make an error. I actually kind of believe that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like old school smash mouth baseball.
Absolutely. Play a little small ball.
Keep them out there. Then we also have NFL.

Speaker 1 Pro Days are still going on. Justin Fields is now,

Speaker 1 he has been the anointed one to fall down draft boards for no reason whatsoever.

Speaker 1 I saw that there was a report. Dan Orlovsky was saying, so he wasn't, Dan Orlovsky was doing the old, I'm not saying it, but people are saying it to me, which

Speaker 1 when you do that, you're still carrying the water for the people and giving them credence. And one of the points was that Justin Fields, they don't know if he loves football enough.

Speaker 1 The guy, Justin Fields, who basically brought Big Ten football back. Yeah, the guy that broke his ribs.

Speaker 1 He had a Drew Brees happen on the field, and then he came back like one series later and dominated.

Speaker 1 I do think Dan Rofsky is getting a little bit of a raw deal because it is one of those

Speaker 1 one guy takes a quote, tweets it, and then everyone runs with the tweet without ever actually watching the video and the context, which that does suck. Like, admittedly, that sucks.

Speaker 1 But it is an anonymous scout season where teams, I just assume, whenever we see like Justin Fields Slander or Justin Fields, it's a team somewhere in like the five to ten range that's hoping that Justin Fields will fall towards it.

Speaker 1 Exactly. That's obviously it's smokescreen season.
So if you have somebody from the Jets being like, Justin Fields sucks, I'd stay clear.

Speaker 1 If you have like the 49ers being like, man, Justin Fields is not going to take him.

Speaker 1 At the very least, you can encourage somebody to try to trade up and waste some picks behind you. Yes.
But yeah, it's definitely smokescreen season.

Speaker 1 I've just decided that there are too many good quarterbacks. I don't know who to pick out of the lot.
I think that I like, I think I like Zach Wilson. I think,

Speaker 1 bro. If you want to talk red flags, not a captain.
Not a captain. We've talked about Zach Wilson.
But it's very, very hard to not be a captain as a quarterback in college. You want to hear a take?

Speaker 1 It's almost impossible. Billy, this is what you should have done with your quarterback bracket.
You should have had Kyle Pitts winning the entire thing.

Speaker 1 I think Kyle Pitts should get drafted number one. Yeah.
Kyle Pitts. It's like with Josh Allen.
He's a game-changer. With Josh Allen, you want to run through the things that you have with Kyle Pitts.

Speaker 1 He runs like a deer.

Speaker 1 He is a chess piece mismatch. And then he keeps opposing defensive coordinators up at night.
Yep. Those are the three things that he does.

Speaker 1 Negatives. His name is Kyle.
Yeah, he does not look like a Kyle. No, but what do you mean? I'm just saying we have.

Speaker 1 Describe a Kyle. We work amongst several Kyles who look exactly like Kyle.
Yes. Kyles

Speaker 1 are.

Speaker 1 Kyles are the.

Speaker 1 Kyles are funny dudes. Yeah, they're.
I like Kyle. They're quirky.
Yeah. I mean, they rage hard

Speaker 1 and they, you know, pound monsters. They bang monsters constantly.
Yeah. They're, you know, usually...
Are you doing it in a love life?

Speaker 1 No, usually a Kyle will also have the racing strips on the side of their car. Maybe the, you know, what are you going to say? Punch walls.
You have a mic in front of you. Yeah, they punch walls.

Speaker 1 Punch walls. They care too much about a sport they excelled at in high school.
Billy's so into opening day that he's giving me the signs to steal home. Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 1 With a mic in front of him. I like it, Billy.
That's awesome. But yeah, I think, like, if you look at teams that won Super Bowls recently, you can go through the list.

Speaker 1 They all have dominant tight ends. Is the tight end the new quarterback?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Because it seems we've forgotten about Gardner Minshew pretty quickly on the channel.
They're game changers because tight ends are the best. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. What else do we have? We have, oh, the final four.

Speaker 1 Are we expecting it just to be Gonzaga versus Baylor? I think we all are, right? Yeah, I'm going to bet on UCLA to cover, but I think Gonzaga is going to win.

Speaker 1 It's going to be like a backdoor cover situation. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I want UCLA to win just because I like Mick. I like Hep.
Somebody pointed out to me,

Speaker 1 it was Jay Reich511 on Twitter. We should be calling Hep Hep C.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we actually, we did,

Speaker 1 we did

Speaker 1 a sports advisors and Rico Bosco said

Speaker 1 Hep's last trip, and we're like, what the hell? Is he sick? He's killing him. And then someone asked, what's his name? And I was like, probably hepatitis, right? That has to be it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, his full name is hepatitis his name is hepatitis C

Speaker 1 so yeah the I'm excited for the final four but it definitely does not feel like the most anticipated final four let's just say that it does not it's gonna be Gonzaga Baylor and we're gonna watch it yeah the battle of Texas and then Gonzaga versus UCLA and hopefully Gonzaga Baylor happens on Monday night that would be imagine if we get like oh Houston UCLA would be the lowest watched yeah what if well no because you got UCLA you've you've got a big audience out there.

Speaker 1 Los Angeles. What time is the game? Like five

Speaker 1 prime surfing weather

Speaker 1 or five hours.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
People stuck in traffic. You can't have that.

Speaker 1 There's an element of Rick Petino coached Mick Cronin. I didn't realize that.
What a great job. Another feather in Rick Petino's cap.
Basically his national championship. If they win.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 we're going to let him put the tattoo back on his shoulder if they win this one. That's fair to say.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it will be the games.

Speaker 1 Jake, you're our college basketball expert. How do you rank this? You've been to a bunch of Final Fours.
I've been to one Final Four. Oh, I've been to tournament.
I've been to a Final Four. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Maybe, you know what? Maybe we'll ask Billy this question.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. But where do you rank this? If we get Gonzaga Baylor, I actually wrote a blog about this.

Speaker 1 It would be great for intercollege basketball fans, but the casual sports fan, maybe not, they won't set aside their time. If it was Duke versus Kentucky in the championship.
Right.

Speaker 1 Oh, I also, speaking of that, I have to walk back something I said on Wednesday. So I got confused.
Sweet 16 had crazy numbers. Elite 8 didn't.
Right.

Speaker 1 So hopefully they don't keep the Elite Eight on Monday and Tuesday. Yes.
So we have some hope. Yes.
Well, in fairness to you, we had just finished the Elite Eight, so they didn't have the ratings yet.

Speaker 1 Thank you, Jesus. You just meant to say that.
I appreciate that. Thank you, Jake.
Yeah, I hope that they go back to the old way. But what happens if there's like a positive COVID test this weekend?

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 you actually see the Baylor coach, the Baylor women's coach was like, hey, listen, just stop testing. She said no one should get tested because if you get.
You know what?

Speaker 1 Only the winners, only the champions should have access to COVID tests. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I do think,

Speaker 1 yeah, I mean, it would be quite a story. I mean, the Nationals in the Mets having to cancel the first four games of the season kind of sucks.
Oh, shit. Do I have to bench Juan Soto now? Yeah, you do.

Speaker 1 You're already behind. Fantasy baseball sucks.
You already are behind. What happened? And Max Scherzer, God damn it.
What happens when,

Speaker 1 if there were to be a a tesla you think that they would they would delay the national championship on monday right it depends because it's in a controlled environment i don't know let's just hope

Speaker 1 knock on wood oh by the way bill walton never texts me back but we did hear through uh his people that he wasn't allowed to come on because of espn so okay yeah but

Speaker 1 whatever it's fine no that's good billy big you got to talk that up be like bill walton banned from part of my take oh yeah by ESPN they won't let us have these people on no and then shout out that one AWL who tweeted me saying he saw Bill Walton on his bike and just screamed at him, go on, part of my take.

Speaker 1 So just keep doing that. And hopefully, eventually he'll just, I don't know, end up in a bad, you know, acid trip where he's like, I got to do part of my take.

Speaker 1 Or a really good acid trip. Yeah, well, a bad one where he's like, just forgets everything.
He's like, I got to do this podcast. Yeah.
Yeah. And then we bring him back to the light.

Speaker 1 So then it's like, there we go, Bill. We're back to the light.

Speaker 1 Anything else before we get to our interviews? Anything else? Anything else? Kittle did a prank too? That was me. Yeah, that was it.
No, that was actually very funny.

Speaker 1 That was the funniest one by far because he's our friend.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Everyone thought it was Jaguars.
I thought it was hilarious. Yeah.
And he changed his Avi to a troll face.

Speaker 1 ABI. That's how you pronounce it.

Speaker 1 Wait, which troll face was it? It was the OG troll face. No, you do an impression right now.
This is bad radio. Do the troll face.
Oh, that's good.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You got to pronounce chin, Bill.

Speaker 1 I like that. We've got Roy Royal Williams emotional at the podium, and it's not an April Fool's.
Is he crying? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 He is. That is really the saddest part: we're losing one of the all-time best cry, right?

Speaker 1 So we can get into this with Tate if you want, but I actually do feel like my take about him being a better coach than Coach K has been vindicated at this point. How so?

Speaker 1 So, by the stats, since he's been at North Carolina, so since he's been at North Carolina, North Carolina has five Final Four appearances. Duke's only had three.

Speaker 1 They've won the ACC in the regular season nine times to Coach K's three since he's been there. They've made the NCAA tournament.
They've only missed it once. Duke has missed it twice, I believe.

Speaker 1 Yeah, twice, if we're counting last year. Well, oh, okay.
So

Speaker 1 they bowed out. Yeah, yeah.
But what about Coach K having more championships and more wins? But since they've been, well, because he coached for longer, I think Roy Williams. Roy Williams is a Kansas.

Speaker 1 I think Roy Williams has coached for a long time.

Speaker 1 I think he's got a higher winning percentage than Coach K does. okay but yeah at Kansas that was that was the previous

Speaker 1 iteration though but you could also make the argument that Coach K at Duke had Christian Leightoner take him and essentially single-handedly won those two national champions without that one shot against Kentucky it would be people wouldn't talk about Coach K the same way that they do right now that's all I'm saying okay I think that Roy Williams has been a better coach since he came to the ACC than Coach K has so it's justified it's not career

Speaker 1 it's justified as ACC yeah I mean you could make the argument for a career, but I think in terms of the ACC, it actually is cut and dry that Roy Williams has been a better coach since he's gotten to the ACC.

Speaker 1 Okay. That's not really an argument.
Although, but Coach K has more national championships than the ACC? I think that's since Roy Williams got there?

Speaker 1 I would say, yeah, I think so, right?

Speaker 1 No. Two? Three? When did Roy Williams? So they won in 2010 over Butler, then 2015 over Suzanne.
Yeah, no, and North Carolina has three.

Speaker 1 No, they have two. 2005, 2009, 2017.
Oh, okay. So he...
All right. So wait, how many? How many...
No, Coach K also won an 0-1. 91, 92, 01, 2010, 2015.

Speaker 1 So wait, but that's before Roy Williams got there, right? Fair. He got there in 03.
That's what he said.

Speaker 1 That's the World Championship. So we're just defining it as when he went to ACC.
So how many titles does Roy have? Three? Four. Three.
Three. Three.
And Coach K has five. Correct.
Okay.

Speaker 1 But Roy Williams, that Chris Jenkins shot. Would have been four.
Yeah, that's true. That's high game, but you could do that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, we should do that with Christian Leightner. That shot missed.
The UNC shot went in. Now they're even at four.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I hate Coach Kaye, but I think his resume is still better than that. Yeah, Gordon Hayward and Chris Jenkins switcheroo, four-four.
Yep. Roy's a Hall of Family,

Speaker 1 fantastic coach. All right, let's get to our interviews.
First up, we got Jared Butler from Baylor, who's playing on Saturday.

Speaker 1 And then we're going to get to Tate Frazier and talk a little more about Roy Williams, Final Four UNC. Before we do that.

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Okay, here he is. Baylors

Speaker 1 Jr., great player, superstar player, Jared Butler.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. He's playing in the Final Four on Saturday against the University of Houston.
It is Jared Butler from Baylor.

Speaker 1 Awesome to have you on. Congratulations, first and foremost.

Speaker 1 Pretty damn cool to be in the Final Four, especially given everything that's happened this year.

Speaker 1 So has that,

Speaker 1 what's the

Speaker 1 plan going into the Final Four? Like, did you guys, the game was late. You guys finished the game Monday.

Speaker 1 Have you had like a second to let it all kind of soak in and be like, holy shit, this is pretty damn cool. We're two games away from immortality.

Speaker 4 Yeah, totally.

Speaker 4 Like making it to the final four is just a pretty cool thing. Cutting the nets down, like just a big hurrah and whatnot.
And I think it's different for some people.

Speaker 4 Like different people, they were like, even at the celebration, they were like, oh, we got two more to go. Like, you know, don't, they're not even happy at that celebration.

Speaker 4 There's other people that are just like, wow, we made it to the final four and kind of taken like a day and a half to get over it.

Speaker 4 And yeah, so I, but it's definitely important for us to like reset and be like, all right, we got it. It's go time, especially today.

Speaker 4 I think today is probably like the last day you could ever think about it.

Speaker 1 Right. Where did you fall in that spectrum? Were you like, were you celebrating? Were you going crazy? Or were you like, hey, guys, stop smiling.
We got a game to prepare for.

Speaker 4 No,

Speaker 4 I was one of the guys, like when I woke up,

Speaker 4 I was over it.

Speaker 1 So I think that was good. So do they tell you how to cut the net down?

Speaker 1 That's always confused me because it seems like there are some guys that get up to the top of the ladder and they know exactly how to like cut down the net properly so the next guy gets his piece.

Speaker 4 They don't give you any advice. I take, I usually take like a big piece.
Like I try to get the biggest piece I can get. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Like, you know, and I'm like, I need to, you know, I don't know, just put it on my hat and just have extra just in case. But yeah, that's me.
They don't tell you anything.

Speaker 1 So I was reading an article about how, you know, you last year, you obviously were thinking about going to the NBA. You came back to Baylor.
You worked on your defense.

Speaker 1 And one of the things that you said helped was you were watching film in a different way. What was that?

Speaker 1 How did you like, for me, defense always comes down to really effort, but you clearly got so much better in so many different ways. How did you do that?

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's a great point.

Speaker 4 Like most people don't watch film for defense and like, you know, they don't see different plays where they could have, you know, gotten a steal or like just a better technique.

Speaker 4 But yeah, I was like, just me and one of the assistant coaches just watched film and there'd be so many instances where I was like, man, I could have got the steal or I knew that that pass is going to, you know, come.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 after just watching film, I was just like, all right, I'm not hesitating anymore. I'm just going to make the play on the ball and see ahead.
And watching film helps you do that to see ahead.

Speaker 4 And yeah, that's really helped me a lot this year.

Speaker 1 When you were growing up as a kid,

Speaker 1 were you daydreaming about playing in a Final Four?

Speaker 1 Because I remember when I was a little kid, I would think about hitting the last shot, the buzzer beater. And there would always be like a particular play I would run.

Speaker 1 I'd do the countdown out loud, like three, two, one.

Speaker 1 Is that something that you thought about growing up? Is there like a specific dream that you'd have or a play that you'd run in your own head, picturing yourself in this moment?

Speaker 5 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 4 I was always the kid that's like, I wanted to go off in the incident of the tournament, like just have like, you know, just like 10 threes in a game. Like, that was, that was my dream.

Speaker 4 Um, the game when it shot was like kind of like, yeah, I guess everybody done that, like, as did that.

Speaker 4 But like, I just wanted to go off and just have like, you know, back to back to back to back threes.

Speaker 1 And just people were just like, wow, like, you know, that, that was kind of like my dream. Well, that could happen on Saturday.

Speaker 4 How, how much harder is it to shoot in lucas oil stadium versus the uh places you guys played your earlier games you know hinkle and and uh all the other uh places that the games were taking place yeah it's it's it's so different um just the backdrop and um you know how far the the back wall is from the you know the the backboard so it's a little perception change and uh it got to me i i'm not allowed the first the first game we played in the um in the lucas oil and um but like at this point i've i've um i've like had to to come overcome that and just be like, all right, like, I'm, we're going to play on these chords and like, this is going to happen.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 I bet you knew better since then. So, yeah, I'm feeling good about it.

Speaker 1 Are you fully vindicated now in your decision to return to Baylor for another year? Like, have you officially silenced the haters since you got to a final four?

Speaker 1 You're like, look, I made the right choice.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I think I went to another level and saying, like, you know, I came back to Baylor and now, like, I don't play for people's, you know, vindication or validation or, you know, I don't play for people's, you know, opinion on me.

Speaker 4 Like, at this point, I've, I've, um, become just at peace at just where I'm at in life and my basketball career and who I am as a basketball player. And so, like, I think that's where I'm at.

Speaker 4 I'm, I'm, I'm over the, like, you know, trying to prove the haters or whatnot. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Yeah. And it's a double for you because you

Speaker 1 didn't go to the NBA. And also you were originally enrolled at Alabama, then transferred to Baylor.

Speaker 1 So you have like, I mean, I know that you you never talk bad about Alabama, but you watch that game and you're like, oh, well, that could have been me on that, you know, court losing in the Sweet 16.

Speaker 4 Yeah, totally. And, you know, but I think, yeah, Bama's done a great job this year.
And, yeah. No, it's, it's, it's a good feeling to be, you know, one of the final four teams, man.

Speaker 4 It's, it's amazing.

Speaker 1 Credit to you. You never talked bad about Bama.
That was nice. Good job.
It was a really good job. It was a really good job by you.
Do you like Alabama?

Speaker 4 No, I do. The reason I left Alabama wasn't like some like, you know, nasty type thing.
And then most of the guys that are at Alabama now,

Speaker 4 like, I only know about three or guys, like John Petty, Alex Reese, and Herb Jones. So, like, and there's a new coach.
Avery Johnson's not there anymore. So, yeah.

Speaker 1 So, when you decided to go to Baylor, I read on Wikipedia, so it's probably wrong, but it said that you decided to, like, when you were being recruited, you were confused why they weren't recruiting you harder.

Speaker 1 And that, was that actually, like, ended up being a great technique where it was like, nah, we don't, we don't want this guy. and it made you want to go there more?

Speaker 4 No,

Speaker 4 it, no, it didn't. Um, so, like, the reason why I was mad they didn't recruit me earlier is because my high school coach sent two other players to Baylor, Ricardo Gallers and Tweety Carter.

Speaker 4 And so, like, it was like a no-brainer, like, the next best kid under the coach, like, you know, they're gonna, they know who I am.

Speaker 4 And they just took to like the last month of my junior year, you know, the summer period. And then they finally offered me.
So, I just felt kind of disrespected.

Speaker 4 And, um, no, so it, and I ended up committing to Alabama. And I think I held on to that grudge a little bit, but I just ultimately God just said, no, this is where you need to be.

Speaker 4 And we both had to let go of our egos.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 So Saturday, you're playing Houston. Let's say there's 10 seconds left.
You're down one. Who's taking the last shot on your team? Are you saying to Coach Drew, like, hey, I'm the guy?

Speaker 1 Or maybe not. I don't know.
I need to know

Speaker 1 who's taking the last shot on the the Baylor Bears.

Speaker 4 I think it's usually

Speaker 4 it depends on who's got it going throughout the game.

Speaker 4 You know, I think it's easy to tell who's like, you know, who's been hitting shots and in the last five minutes, like what happened.

Speaker 4 But I think either way it goes, like

Speaker 4 it's just like, that's just a weird question because it definitely just falls on who's got it going and who's got the best chance for us to make it.

Speaker 1 I was just trying to get a headline grab because I wanted you to be like, yeah, I'm taking the last shot. I'm the man.

Speaker 1 You're too nice. I know.
You're too nice. I know.
But I had to take my shot. That was me taking the shot.
You got to take it. Okay, how about this?

Speaker 1 You're the coach, but you're also playing, but you're two different people. But as the coach, if you're drawing up the last play, who gets the last shot?

Speaker 5 Oh, man.

Speaker 4 That makes the question even harder. I'm not going to lie.
But I think, again, you just got to go with the hot hand at the time of the moment.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, you said earlier, like, you didn't dream about hitting the last shot necessarily. You dreamed about just going off.
So at what point have you went off during a game?

Speaker 1 What is that, like 24, 26 points? Is that going off?

Speaker 4 Yeah, or like, if I haven't missed the three the whole game, that means I'm usually

Speaker 4 on, or like, like, that means that that's um indication for hotness, I guess.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think you, the West Virginia game and the Kansas game this year, I feel like you were that was, you were in the zone in those games.

Speaker 1 Um, let's ask it this way: you, there's four Jared Butlers and then one Masio Teague. Who does Coach Drew have take the last shot?

Speaker 4 Who's ever got the hot hand? If Maso's hit like four call gods in the game, like, I mean, or five call gods in the game, then you got to go for him.

Speaker 4 If Jared's hit like four or five three-pointers, then you got to go to him.

Speaker 1 Wait, what's a call god?

Speaker 4 Oh, you've never seen.

Speaker 1 Do you watch our games? Yeah, I do, but I did not. Well,

Speaker 1 I have watched you way too much.

Speaker 1 I just said that Kansas game, the West Virginia game. You also beat my team, the Badgers, in the second round.
But I'm not cool enough to know what you, what you guys are doing.

Speaker 1 I know the mullet guide can dunk, which is crazy.

Speaker 1 But what is the call of God actually like? How did that start?

Speaker 4 Macio's

Speaker 4 signature celebration is after he's the three, he's like, call God. It used to be just like, just call me, but now it's like, call God.
He raises up to the skies.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. So if he hits a couple call God, what's the difference between calling God and praying? Kind of the same thing.
Yeah, same thing. Totally.
Well, one, God's on speed dial, I'd I'd assume. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The other is just

Speaker 1 hoping he gets the message. One is like you're leaving a message after the tone.

Speaker 1 God sends you direct. He hits the ignore button.
But call God. It's like I got a direct line.
Yeah, when you pray, it's delivered. When you call God, it says it's got a read receipt on.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I like to snap God. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just make it disappear real quick. I like to page God.
Yeah, honestly, he's still got a sidekick. Yeah, he's some baby God.

Speaker 1 I shoot him a quick page.

Speaker 1 Hey, can we get this to you?

Speaker 5 I'm going to use that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So what's it like right now in the bubble? Because I would have to assume that there are some times where you just get bored.
Like, there are only so many team-building activities you can do.

Speaker 1 I know that Alabama said they went to the zoo, which actually sounds amazing. I'm still thinking about that zoo.

Speaker 1 But what have you guys been up to to kind of keep you together and keep your minds from wandering too much?

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 it's a grind because you literally have nothing to do. For me personally, I've just been trying to find good movies on Netflix, which is the hardest thing in the world because

Speaker 4 it's just Netflix.

Speaker 4 We play a lot of Connect 4, and it's been a lot of competitive Connect 4 games, and we've been just doing that. We play some Cornhole in our meeting room.

Speaker 4 Some guys got PS4s, whatever. And that's about it.

Speaker 4 Just grind it out.

Speaker 1 What was the level of panic in the Villanova game when you guys were down early? Because

Speaker 1 you guys do have such a great team. And I feel like

Speaker 1 the strength of your team is that you guys when you want to just ratchet up the defense you feed all off that and you guys start basically runs on defense but you guys are down at half was there any panic was there any like uh what's going on guys why aren't we playing better or was it like hey if we just get a couple stops here we're gonna be back in this and beat them yeah there wasn't any panic but um i think it was just like a all right like you know like

Speaker 4 we gotta like um

Speaker 4 buckle down or like get serious or like all right there's no more fooling around like you know um

Speaker 4 and like and i think that changes all the aspects of our game and sometimes when we're not hitting shots it can affect our defense but i think we changed from like all right our defense is gonna you know be good no matter what and we're just gonna live with how it is on offense and um yeah i mean once our defense picks up it's it's it's pretty hard to beat us but um yeah i think that was the change it's it's fun watching when you guys are like all right we're gonna just start shutting teams down because you jump on them and it's like holy fuck now they're up 10 out of nowhere Um, you, you, back to Netflix, real quick.

Speaker 1 A little birdie told me that you're a big rom-com guy. What's your favorite rom-com?

Speaker 5 I'll always say the um

Speaker 4 the breakup with Jennifer Anson

Speaker 1 and uh Vince Vaughn is a good one. Yeah, although that one, like, it doesn't really have a great ending.
It's kind of an like, well, I guess, I guess they kind of

Speaker 1 you like that. You like that they split up.
Wait, no, they get back together at the very, very end. So they look at each other, they see each other up the street.
The look in their eyes, you can tell.

Speaker 1 I think they're back together. Do you think they get back together?

Speaker 5 I don't know. I think so.
I don't know. I don't know.
But I love that.

Speaker 4 I love how we're just even debating about it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, these guys being dudes.

Speaker 1 That's a good one. What about Love Actually? That's a good one.

Speaker 1 Love Actually. Yeah, Love.
Have you never seen Love Actually?

Speaker 4 Like, explain the plot a little bit.

Speaker 1 It's like six different plots going on at once. It's pretty much the best rom-com of all time.
It's fantastic. You'd love it.
It came out like what, 2005, 2004? 2003. 2003.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Would I actually love it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think if you really do like rom-coms, you'd love that. He's making a joke.
Huh? Oh,

Speaker 1 that's good. Fuck.
That's really... God damn, that's good.

Speaker 1 What about When Harry Met Sally?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I've never seen that one.

Speaker 1 That's the one where she comes and cats his deli, and then the other lady goes, I'll have what she's having.

Speaker 1 No? You'd love it. Yeah.
You'd love it. Actually, you might not.
Yeah. PFT, ask your question about the layups.
Oh, yeah, good point. All right.

Speaker 1 So I've been watching a lot of film on you guys this year.

Speaker 1 I've noticed, I don't know if it's something that you're coached on, but your team tends to shoot a lot of layups, like a lot of runners kind of in the lane where you don't really jump.

Speaker 1 You almost put the layup up a half step earlier, so you don't give the defense a chance to key on that and go up and swat it. Is that something that you guys actually make a point of emphasis on?

Speaker 4 No, we actually don't. We've never talked about it in practice.
Like, we've never, like, oh, this is like, you know, this is like a little finish we do. It's actually just an in-game type thing.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Well, you do it a lot.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You, I've noticed it too.
I mean, you

Speaker 1 guys just might also be faster and better than everyone, too. So that also plays into it.
Yeah. Because I've noticed that, that you guys are really fast and really good.

Speaker 1 So, yeah. Do you think sometimes you dunk too much and too hard?

Speaker 4 I've thought about that. Sometimes, you know, you just kind of got to be a little nice sometimes because you don't just want to disrespect the game.

Speaker 4 But, you know, and then there's other times you're like, if that was, if, like, there, if I, if we were on the other side, they would dunk it, you know, just as hard.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, I was going to say, I listen, if I could dunk, I would only disrespect the game. I would just be constantly disrespecting the game.

Speaker 1 That seems like the funnest part of the game is to disrespect it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, but at the same time,

Speaker 1 you're too nice of a guy. You're a genuinely nice guy.
I like it. But have you gone back and like watched the tape of that game against Wisconsin?

Speaker 1 And just there were probably like six or seven points in the game where it was just like, all right, we get it.

Speaker 1 You're so much better at basketball than it's unnecessary to just keep jamming it through the crust of the earth on these guys.

Speaker 4 That was actually a pretty fun game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 For you, it was awesome. You guys were really fucking good, and you locked down on defense.
It must have been a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 But I felt like Wisconsin was really like,

Speaker 4 they came into the game pretty confident. Like, after they beat North Carolina by 20, and they're just like, oh, we're going to beat Baylor too.
Like, I don't know.

Speaker 4 I felt that, but, like, I don't know if they were actually thinking that, but I just felt that going into the game. So maybe that was why.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 There's a fantastic award that happens every year where Jim Nance gives his tie to the best senior on the team that wins the national title.

Speaker 1 You've probably heard of it. It's probably, you know, the most coveted award in basketball.

Speaker 1 Is there a senior on your team right now that you kind of have circled as being the guy that's going to get Jim Nance's tie if you win the whole thing?

Speaker 4 Oh, that's a tough one. It's really between Mark Vital and Macy OT.

Speaker 4 And that's like a tough one because Mark Vidal's been here for five years. He's been committed to Baylor since like eighth grade,

Speaker 4 you know, just ridiculous, you know, Baylor for life type dude. Then there's Macy OT, you know, just, you know, heavy contributor, you know, just, you know, big time competitor.
Like, I don't know.

Speaker 5 I don't know.

Speaker 4 I don't know. I think you got to build a statue for both of them.
You got to get the net to both of them.

Speaker 1 Oh, I like that. So the other guy with the statue there, Robert Griffin, has he reached out to you? Is Robert Griffin like around the team?

Speaker 1 Is he giving you guys like Adaboys or like hitting you up and cheering you guys on?

Speaker 4 No, he doesn't.

Speaker 4 He has reached out when we played Kansas. I think I want to say last year, he came to the game.
He was like courtside. That was pretty cool.
I didn't get a chance to talk to him.

Speaker 4 But, yeah, no, that's about it. I don't think he's not that involved.
I don't know what else he does with the football team or something like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I had one last question. I actually have two last questions.

Speaker 1 Do you ever, Baylor fans, they do the bear thing like this?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you ever look up and you're like, this looks kind of ridiculous? Because they show it on TV and it's like a bunch of, you know, grown men going like this.

Speaker 1 And it looks a little, it's kind of like the Texas.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the TCU horn frog when everyone's like this. It's a little weird.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's all weird. Like most majority of the time, it's like a weird thing.

Speaker 4 But I think that's what makes it like, you know, cool. Everybody's being weird at the same time.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Every time I do it, I'm like, oh, this is kind of awkward every time.

Speaker 1 Every time. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. That answers my question perfectly because you're right.
It looks weird. It feels awkward.
But if everyone's doing it together, it's cool. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's actually a genius hand sign because you can't go horns down with it. Like,

Speaker 1 I'm trying to go down. You can't turn it down.
Like, it's hard to turn it upside down.

Speaker 1 If you guys win, are you going to go coogs down? Are you going to go like this? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do their sign down?

Speaker 5 Ooh, no.

Speaker 4 I don't think it's. It's not about us being Houston.
It's about us getting to the championship game. So it's like, why would he even do that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 You would be the first to do it, though. That'd be cool, too.

Speaker 1 My last question was, so fans, obviously, the legalization of gambling.

Speaker 1 Do people tell you the spreads? Do they like whisper to you? Do they say, hey, like, nice shot there at the end or anything like that? Are players aware of it?

Speaker 4 I get a lot of like Instagrams or DMs when

Speaker 4 I just so happen to like mess up the spread or whatever.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 4 But like, I mean, sometimes like I just get DMs and stuff like that. And I just like, that's about it.
But, like, nobody ever like comes to me and is like, oh, this is the spread.

Speaker 1 Do you get people,

Speaker 1 like, what's the meanest thing someone said to you on DM?

Speaker 4 I can't say it on here. They're just like, thanks, F.

Speaker 1 Jared Butler, for just messing up my life. And it's just like, all right, man, like, I'm sorry.
Oh, man. Interapologizing.
Don't apologize to those people.

Speaker 1 It is crazy when you like, because, you know, obviously we're passionate sports fans, but. You do have to, I jokingly tweet all throughout the tournament, they're just kids.

Speaker 1 But it's like part of the reason, you know, part of the entire dynamic of not getting paid, which hopefully will get fixed eventually in the NCAA, is like, you got to take it a little bit easier on them.

Speaker 1 Like, you can't, it's not the same as pros when you're like bashing guys online and stuff.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, you're totally right, man.

Speaker 1 So next year, we'll motherfuck you and then we'll feel fine about it. So just get ready for that.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Get ready for it. Well, thanks, man.
This has been awesome. We appreciate you taking some time.
Good luck on Saturday. I think I'll say it.

Speaker 1 Everyone wants to see Baylor versus Gonzaga, so let's hope that we get that. And good luck in the game.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I appreciate y'all, man. It's been fun.

Speaker 1 Thanks, man. Thanks, man.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a friend of ours. It's actually his first time on.
It is Tate Frazier from the Titus and Tate podcast. He's actually sitting next to Mark Titus in their car.

Speaker 1 Oh, wait, we're not even...

Speaker 1 Sorry. Okay, we're going to start again.
We were getting hacked.

Speaker 1 We're in the middle of getting hacked on Instagram. So it's a whole thing.
I swear, that's actually really cool. Sorry.
No, no, no. Sorry, guys.
Stop there. Yeah, yeah.
All right, here we go.

Speaker 1 Three, two, one.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a friend of ours, first time on the show. He is of Titus and Tate podcast fame.
It is Tate Frazier. He's in the car right now with our other friend, Mark Titus.

Speaker 1 Mark is texting while driving. Very illegal.

Speaker 1 But, Tate, you so the big news today, Roy Williams has retired. And I thought of you first.
You're a die-hard North Carolina fan, UNC fan. You went there, you're from there.

Speaker 1 So we thought who would be better to have on than you? And also maybe talk a little final four, which we can loop Mark in at the end of that. But so let's start just off the top.

Speaker 1 How many timeouts do you think Roy Williams is bringing with him to retirement?

Speaker 5 I think at least five, Dan. First and foremost, it's great to be on the show.
I, you know, big fan of the program from afar.

Speaker 5 Mark Titus, sitting right next to me, been on the show plenty of times, listened to those shows.

Speaker 5 So it's great to be here. Second, you asked about North Carolina.

Speaker 5 I did not expect this. I'm in Indiana right now.
We're at the Final Four. Titus is giving me a tour of Indiana, his home state.
I'm seeing, you know, the Basketball Hall of Fame.

Speaker 5 I saw where they shot Hoosiers today. I saw Hinklefield House.
I'm having a great day. And then in the middle of all this, Dan, I get a, you know, text from my brother that just says, oh, no.

Speaker 5 And, you know, I'm thinking something to my family may have happened. You know, I'm like, okay, like, what's going on here?

Speaker 5 No, Roy Williams decides he's not a good basketball coach, and it's time to hang it up. And I just watched the press conference.
I'm in a restaurant.

Speaker 5 I'm like tearing up as I hear him talking about North Carolina basketball. And this whole day has just been a whirlwind.

Speaker 5 And the fact that I'm in Indiana is probably a good distraction, but the rest of it is not so good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's sad. I do like the fact that you guys are always together.
Like me and Big Cat always get the question whenever somebody sees us in public without the other person.

Speaker 1 Like, hey, is your co-host there with you? But you guys, it's actually true. You guys actually don't ever, you guys sleep in the same bed, right?

Speaker 5 Yes, yes. That's that's the common misconception.
Yes.

Speaker 5 We are always together.

Speaker 5 And, but no, in general, like with Titus being here, it's been nice because we just did, I don't know if you guys saw this, two or three weeks ago, we did an emergency Brad Stevens podcast, which is all about like, where where will brad stevens go next what is the move for brad stevens we realized it wasn't iu but now america wants it to be carolina and i want to come on your show nationally and say we don't want brad stevens

Speaker 5 why not why do i want a floundering nba coach to be my coach i'm trying to win championships oh my god i hope he i hope he's now the coach of the tar heels next year just for that clip just because you put that all on the me too Me too, BFC, because if that's the case, then I am literally going to have to riot because I do not want this to happen.

Speaker 5 Send him to Duke. He's a private school coach.
Send him to Duke.

Speaker 1 You're going to get Hubert Davis and you're going to like it.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 No comment. No comment.

Speaker 1 Do you want Wes Miller? They're going to promote from within.

Speaker 5 I am a Wes Miller believer. I want Wes Miller to be the coach at some point in his career.

Speaker 5 I think if it had to be now, I'm much happier with him being the head coach than, you know, maybe some other candidates that Big Cat was just throwing out there.

Speaker 5 I love Wes.

Speaker 5 you know carolina basketball wes miller knows really well he knows how to recruit john shire who's the coach and duke assistant coach hates wes miller which lets me know he's a really good coach that's how the duke guys are scared of him uh so that gives me more of a uh you know emboldening opinion on him but i will say in general if you're north carolina you got to go outside the family or at least make some phone calls at least call mark few and say hey mark few Do you want to leave Spokane, Washington and make, you know, $8 million a year at North Carolina and Chapel Hill?

Speaker 5 I don't know. Let's see what he thinks.
Let's see what he says. Let's call Scott Drew and see what Scott Drew's up to.

Speaker 5 Let's call, you know, we can't call Billy Donovan because Roy Williams hates Billy Donovan. So that's not really, you know, in the conversation.
But in general, North Carolina, make the phone calls.

Speaker 5 Let's see who wants to take the job. I know Cali Perry.
Calli Perry's already reached out to Carolina saying, I'll take the job.

Speaker 1 What about Brad Doherty running back? I mean, his recruiting class laid the groundwork for Roy Williams.

Speaker 5 Absolutely. People forget that.
You're right, BFT. Without Jawad Williams and Jackie Manuel, you're not winning that championship.
Without Melvin Scott, you're not winning that championship.

Speaker 1 What about Rick Petino? Ooh.

Speaker 5 So these are, this is what the dark web is saying. Petino to Carolina.
Why not?

Speaker 5 Why not? Why not shoot it to the moon?

Speaker 5 I'm saying in general, you know, Argyle is not a thing for Petino. He's a New York guy, so he's got to stay north.

Speaker 1 I like that.

Speaker 1 I've got jokes that I'm not going to say about Rick Petino because we are a pro-Rick Petino podcast.

Speaker 1 But if I were to say something about Rick Petino, I would say like that, that ain't tar on his heel. You know, like, not a natural fit there.

Speaker 1 It would be fun to see Rick Petino get like a big job again, obviously. But what do you think is, like, the timing with the Roy Williams thing?

Speaker 1 Because I have a theory that it's more about, like, he said he's not the man for the job right now, like, in this day and age.

Speaker 1 I think it might have something to do with the name, image, likeness thing happening right now. There was just, you know, the Supreme Court just heard the NCAA.

Speaker 1 Basically, the NCAA got bent over in front of all the justices of the Supreme Court yesterday. So things are going going to change.
And I don't know if Roy feels like he can adapt to that.

Speaker 5 I think that Roy Williams had, you know, I think last year really hurt him, right? You know, you have last year with Cole Anthony, you got the injuries. You're not going to make the tournament.

Speaker 5 And in general, you go from having Kobe White, Cam Johnson, two lottery picks, a number one seed in the tournament. You lose to Auburn, but it, you know, it's okay because Auburn makes the final four.

Speaker 5 And then you come back to that. And then you have this season, which is worst case scenario.
You have the talent, but you also have to play the game of I'm appeasing dads.

Speaker 5 It's a big time for college basketball dads. Like, if you are a college basketball dad that's involved, invested in your kid, if you're a Marenovich of sorts, you're doing great.

Speaker 5 Walker Kessler's dad, you know, I think he maybe broke Roy Williams a little bit. He comes in there and just says, like, my kid should be a stretch five.
He should be shooting threes.

Speaker 5 And Roy Williams is like, your kid sucks. Like, your kid should not be playing.
What are you talking about? I'm a three-time national champion. And then you mentioned the NIL stuff.

Speaker 5 I think that adds another layer to it, which is, do I really, do you want to teach an old dog new tricks? No, that's the rule. You don't do that.

Speaker 5 And Roy Williams is the example of a college basketball guy of the 20th century, of the

Speaker 5 old guard per se. And he doesn't want to adapt.
He doesn't want to change. And I don't really blame him per se.

Speaker 5 I just wish they had a plan in place because I think the plan right now, as Big Cat said, is Hubert Davis. Hubert Davis will probably be the next head coach in North Carolina.

Speaker 5 And I love Hubert Davis as a guy. I don't know Hubert Davis as a coach.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So we'll see.
So how much, I mean, I do think that the, it's not the game is passed Rory by, but he did feel like out of the big coaches,

Speaker 1 you know, if you want to say the big programs, Cal, Bill Self, Coach K, he struggled the most with like the one and done and getting those, you know, just stacking the team with freshmen and letting him go to the lottery the next year.

Speaker 1 Like, do you think that had something to do with it? Because he did feel like he never was able to fully embrace that. Where Coach K, credit to him, he's a dinosaur, but he did adapt.

Speaker 1 He's changed his whole program.

Speaker 5 I told Titus this in this, in the fall of 2009, there was a Skype call that changed everything. And it was Harrison Barnes.
And he was Skyping in to say which school he was going to go to.

Speaker 5 Everyone in North Carolina, I was in high school at the time, senior, and everyone in high school was saying, you know, Harrison Barnes is going to Duke. He loves Coach K.

Speaker 5 He's going to get his business degree at Duke. And then he Skyped into Roy Williams and said, I'm coming to North Carolina.
The number one recruit in the country is going to North Carolina.

Speaker 5 We all celebrate. We're dancing on Coach K's grave.
We're like, R.I.P., you guys have Kyle Singler and Brian Zubeck. LOL, good luck.

Speaker 5 Meanwhile, little did we know, some, you know, six months later, Brian Zubeck would, you know, illegal screen his way to a title. And Kyle Singer would shoot out of his ass and beat, you know.

Speaker 5 a butler team in the championship game and duke basketball would then get kyrie irving and duke basketball would then like you said big guy go into the one and done era which is a decade of them being able to dominate on the recruiting trail.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And, and, uh, you know, just in general, it's, it's one of those things where, you know, North Carolina at that time, I wish I could have captured the moment.

Speaker 5 I wish I could have enjoyed that like three-month period before Duke got back and dominated. And I told Titus this today: Coach K won the war, right?

Speaker 5 Like Coach K won the war.

Speaker 5 Like in 2010, 2009, fall, going into 2010, Duke basketball was dead carolina won the war we are one in 2005 one in 2009 duke has no hope and uh he was able to outlast and endure so congratulations to him i have a spin zone for you because it seems like you're down here's the spin zone okay uh

Speaker 1 unlike some other teams out there that recently had a hiring uh take place

Speaker 1 Chris Beard is already at Texas. Shaka Smart is already at Marquette.
And Brad Stevens is staying with the Celtics. So you can't be, you can't have three high-profile guys turn the job down,

Speaker 1 further making it an embarrassment that they have to then go get a guy who's never coached a day of college basketball and has been quote unquote called low energy to be the head of your program.

Speaker 1 I'm not talking to you, Titus. I'm talking to Tate.
So that's good.

Speaker 5 I will say this. In general, I think the North Carolina job never gets offered to anyone.

Speaker 5 I don't think that there is a phone call that's made to a Mark Few, or like I said before, none of those guys get called, and Hubert Davis just gets bumped up. And that's kind of where we are.

Speaker 5 And as I told Titus earlier, if Hubert Davis is the guy, then I think it's an 18-month trial period, right? You see what 18 months looks like.

Speaker 5 And if it sucks, and if it looks like it's Matt Darty 2.0, unlike what PFC said with the recruits, maybe if he's got the recruits, we keep him.

Speaker 5 But if it's Matt Darty 2.0 and things aren't going well, you got to go outside the family. You got to make a real hire.
I wish it would be Wes Miller. Miller, I wish it could be Jerry Stackhouse.

Speaker 5 My long shot is it could be Rasheed Wallace, right? Rasheed Wallace is a high school coach.

Speaker 1 Oh, yes, that's what I want. That would be awesome.

Speaker 5 That's that's what I'm saying. Ball don't lie.
Uh, both teams played hard. Think about that.
After a game, both teams played hard, or ball don't lie. Those are two great answers to all the press.

Speaker 5 You don't have to do anything else. I will say, smoking blunts after Carolina games probably isn't what Carolina fans are necessarily looking for, but for me, sounds pretty good.

Speaker 5 So, those are my long shots.

Speaker 1 You play on Tobacco Road. You can't be that picky.
You know, you can't be like, whoa, marijuana? No, that's not our culture. Like, we, that's right.
We just stick to the hard stuff.

Speaker 5 We invented this. Well, just a different plan.

Speaker 1 And people will then now say, when I get excited about the idea of Rashid Wallace going to be coach at UNC, people will be like, well, he's never coached in college.

Speaker 1 So how can you say he'd be good, but Mike Woodson is bad? Well, I would say to that, Mike Woodson is 63 years old.

Speaker 1 If you get a guy who's a little younger, like a Jawan Howard, so to speak, and someone who maybe can talk to the kids and not be like, Back in my day when I were playing in peach baskets, you'd have a little bit of a better chance.

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah, all those 17-year-olds that grew up loving the Fab Five, Dan. Yeah, that was

Speaker 1 Rasheed Wallace. Yeah, and what about Juwan Howard being on the Miami Heat Championship team? You forgot about that.

Speaker 5 That's right, yeah. Yeah, all those, all those 14-year-olds who are getting recruited right now are like, man, you know, who I love was Jawan Howard on the 92 Michigan team.

Speaker 5 Yeah, well, yeah, they love the Black Sox.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was just like a coach that's that rich that walks in the door and like you can, it's public information to see how many, he's made probably like $150 million in his career. Like that's cool.

Speaker 1 You want to play for that guy. Do you, hey,

Speaker 1 Titus, you know that when you get to 65, that's usually retirement age. So Mike Woodson is going to be there.
Listen.

Speaker 5 Listen.

Speaker 1 Oh, two years. Two years.

Speaker 5 The reason Carolina fans are all shook up about Roy retiring is that he waited until after Mike Woodson already.

Speaker 5 If only he would have done this before, there could have been a bidding war. And we could have figured out which is the better job.
We could have figured it out. Right.

Speaker 5 Mike Woodson want to go to Carolina or Indiana. We'll find out.

Speaker 5 We'll never know.

Speaker 1 You bring up a really good point and something I love to do, which is talk about just like, what are the best jobs?

Speaker 1 Like if you were to rank college basketball jobs, I would put UNC, I mean, definitely top five, maybe top three.

Speaker 5 Yeah. I mean, for me, Titus and I were just talking about this.
I think that the top two jobs in college basketball are Kansas and North Carolina. And they're interchangeable to me.

Speaker 5 So it's like, I can go to Kansas and go to Lawrence and be King and be able to do what I need to do with Adidas.

Speaker 5 I go to North Carolina with Jordan, do what I need to do, get the kids that want to play because of the prestige. You got Wilt Chamberlain or you got Michael Jordan, right?

Speaker 5 At the end of the day, Kentucky is probably number three on that list for me. I could understand.
I know Kentucky fan. I feel them right now.

Speaker 5 They're like coming at my neck for saying they're number three. But we've seen Kentucky be a Billy Gillespie time.

Speaker 5 We know what, you know, Cali Perry has been able to do, but that's a Cali Perry spin on Kentucky. I don't know what Kentucky is without Cali Perry.
They want to find that out, so we'll see.

Speaker 5 I think UCLA is the fourth best job in the country because, again, you got LA behind you, you got John Wood behind you, you got Kareem Abdul-Jabbar behind you. So you got a good setup there.

Speaker 5 So those are pretty much my top four. And then I think my fifth school would probably be Indiana.
And I know you guys are going to laugh. but I think Indiana would probably be my top five.

Speaker 5 I think that in general, you just have kids that want to play there because of the prestige, tradition, whatever it is. And you have Indianapolis, which has a

Speaker 5 ton of basketball talent and

Speaker 5 the surrounding area in general. So I like recruiting states.
I like fertile recruiting states and I like basketball states. So I think those are my top five.

Speaker 1 I agree with you. Indiana is definitely a prestige job, a top of the line job, which just makes the Mike Woodson hire that more baffling.

Speaker 1 Right? Like that's, I totally agree. I said it before they did the hire.

Speaker 1 I was like, Indiana is, you know, you basically the same list that you just listed, where it's like, you got a couple of the blue bloods that have been relevant in these last 20 years, they're number one.

Speaker 1 And then, you know, what?

Speaker 5 What's up? I cannot, I cannot wait for Greg Nard to get fired in like three years.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And Shaka Smart will just, we'll just move 90 miles west.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Alondo Tucker is going to be your new coach. And you're going to be like, I like it.
I like where he's a legend. He's.

Speaker 1 He is a legend. He jumped out of the fucking gym, dude.
He was.

Speaker 5 He couldn't shoot to save his life.

Speaker 1 You don't need to shoot to score.

Speaker 1 You don't.

Speaker 1 You don't. UCLA is a perfect example.
You don't need to shoot to score. You just got to

Speaker 1 score to win either. You got to play free throw defense.
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 Let's talk a little. Let's talk a little final four.

Speaker 1 We will now let Mark join the program after the cheap seats comments that he had there.

Speaker 1 Is it just guaranteed? Are we looking at Gonzaga Baylor?

Speaker 5 I'll let you go first. Yeah, yeah, probably.
I mean, Gonzaga is going to smoke UCLA for sure. I think

Speaker 5 Houston's an interesting matchup for Baylor, but I think ultimately houston and baylor are pretty much the same team and houston's just not as good at at doing what baylor does so that's but shooting i could see shooting i could see houston winning but but ucla has no shot against gonzaga yeah no shot no shot what about hep c no magic of hep c up in the sands no shot damn no shot yeah i i will i will kind of piggyback that i think worst case scenario is that houston wins as far as like entertainment value because even if ucla upsets gonzaga big cat you know this.

Speaker 5 We get the Wisconsin-Kentucky moment from 2015 where America's just like, oh my God, I can't believe that Goliath fell. You know what I mean? And the idea of UCLA being David is hilarious.

Speaker 5 You know, the idea of a team that has 11 titles, playing three programs that have no titles is now the underdog in the final four.

Speaker 5 That's pretty ridiculous to me.

Speaker 5 I think Houston winning his worst case, though, because if Houston's in a title game, then Gonzaga or UCLA will beat them in my opinion.

Speaker 5 And Baylor's got like a weird Texas thing. They have an assistant coach at Houston that has a son that's a coach at Baylor.
I don't like any of the connective tissue there.

Speaker 5 So, there's a little bit of a Houston upset that I see. So, I'm terrified of that.

Speaker 1 If Houston does win, though, you'd have to, if you're an Indiana fan, you'd be like, Man, the one that got away, Kelvin Sampson.

Speaker 5 The one that put that program in the depths. They had to.

Speaker 5 Kelvin Sampson screwed Indiana so badly that Dan Dockett ended up being the head coach.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's all I really can do.

Speaker 1 That's the perfect sentence.

Speaker 1 That's it. Like, you think Indiana ends? I mean, for God's sakes.
Wait, it is hilarious, though, looking back at what Kelvin Sampson got fired for and what the whole scandal was.

Speaker 1 And I saw, like, Pat Fordy wrote an article about it when it happened, calling it like an egregious miscarriage of leadership by Kelvin Sampson. He was texting kids.

Speaker 1 He sent like a few text messages out of season. And now, looking back at that scandal, it's like it was nothing.

Speaker 5 nothing it was it was literally nothing that he got fired for it's literally legal now like it was legal like almost immediately i will say in indiana's defense and uh like i think samson was probably gonna end up not being the right guy anyway for like off-court stuff um the the

Speaker 5 at a certain point indiana fans would have revolted anyway But uh I don't know. I think he could have won enough to that it wouldn't matter.
Like there's a lot of off-court issues and that whatever.

Speaker 5 We don't need to get into it.

Speaker 5 But um i i i i think he he would have won he would have probably won enough if people wouldn't have cared anyway but there was it was a little more than just the phone calls the phone calls were just but yeah they're just frustrating that it's legal now and if you did it now no one would even care especially like given the fbi we're we're in a post fbi world where like like that doesn't even register at this point given like will wade is on wiretaps yeah called

Speaker 1 yes and nothing he's sean miller yeah wait wait titus i'm gonna actually say something something nice about Indiana real quick because I actually do think Thad Mata is a game changer.

Speaker 1 I'm being honest.

Speaker 1 So your old coach who is a great recruiter, who knows how to run a big program, how much like, what is his exact role going to be?

Speaker 5 I don't know. I have no idea.

Speaker 5 I tried to ask him and he, I don't even think he knows. I think it's just like

Speaker 5 just kind of, yeah, he's just kind of there. He's just the guy.
You know what his role is going to be?

Speaker 5 He's going to be the guy that has his arms crossed in like row six that they cut to to at least once a game.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Of course, that mod involved with the program, and he's this guy like an Indiana shirt on. No one can really define what he does.
That's what he is.

Speaker 1 But if you're a Hoosier fan, that's like you're basically hoping because he knows all the high schools. He's obviously knows the area really well, recruits Ohio, recruits Indiana.

Speaker 1 So he, like, as much as I joke about Mike Woodson, if Thad Mott is actually involved here, that becomes a real kind of tandem.

Speaker 5 I love that you're talking about Mike Woodson, like he's never coached a game of basketball.

Speaker 1 No, he has. He hasn't coached college.
Wouldn't you say college is a little different?

Speaker 5 College is harder.

Speaker 1 No, college is different. They're just kids.

Speaker 5 Dude, they're just kids.

Speaker 5 He's going to be coaching against like Greg Gard and Chris Collins. You're actually like, this is going to be the hardest thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's pretty tough.

Speaker 1 Did you not see Northwesterns December when they were playing four out and he was changing the basketball?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you saw. They beat Ohio State.
He saw it. He said no college.
Yeah, no college. Yeah.
Chris Collins is a fucking savvy mind. I do like the idea, though, of Tad Mona.

Speaker 1 It's important to just have a guy that the cameras go to in the crowd.

Speaker 1 It does take heat off the coach when you have somebody like when Spolster took over in the heat and like the cameras were just always on Pat Riley in the stands. Exactly.

Speaker 1 It's good to take the heat off of an inexperienced coach that has never before coached a game at that level. Basketball.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 In fact, I want to volunteer my services right now. I want to get involved with Indiana.
I want to be that guy that I want to be involved in the program.

Speaker 5 Every time things are going poorly, cut to me and just be like, of course, like Mark Titus has a lot to do with what we're seeing right now. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And just associate it, associate failure with me so that way I can be the fall guy. And I will gladly fall in the sword for coach if they need me to.

Speaker 1 All right. Last question.

Speaker 1 Tate, I noticed you didn't answer my question.

Speaker 1 How many timeouts? Do you think Roy Williams, when he cleans out his desk for the last day tomorrow, he opens up a drawer and there's just like a thousand timeouts that he just never used

Speaker 1 when someone was making a run on UNC.

Speaker 5 I think that

Speaker 5 if I'm right about what NFTs are, I think he can turn the timeouts into NFTs and then he can become a millionaire.

Speaker 1 I'm gonna admit it's really not much, though.

Speaker 1 There was nothing, and Roy is a Hall of Famer. I loved, you know, I like UNC basketball.

Speaker 1 I think he's a hilarious coach and very good coach, but there was something very special about a team going on like an 8-0, 10-0 run, and Roy just sitting there and being like, not going to use my timeout?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Deal with it yourself.

Speaker 5 Yeah. It was like always a Dean Smith thing, right? You got to learn on the fly.

Speaker 5 Like, like, I'm not going to help my team out, but like, at certain times, like you said, big cat, when you Texas AM goes on a 16-0 run in the tournament, you say, all right, I think we should have called a timeout at some point.

Speaker 5 So I love Roy Williams. He saved Carolina basketball.
I think a lot of people forget that. Carolina basketball was 8-20 when I was a kid.

Speaker 5 You know, I went to the Blue White game the year they went 8-20. I watched the Blue White game.
It was like watching two JV teams play each other.

Speaker 5 Adam Boone was our point guard, Brian Morrison was our shooting guard, and Jason Williams, Jay Williams, was that duke dominating, and he wanted to play at Carolina.

Speaker 5 So I saw the worst of the worst of Carolina. Roy Williams came, saved the program, won three titles, did all he could.
So like, at the end of the day, I'm happy that I had the run that we had.

Speaker 5 But I also, my biggest fear is being in Indiana basketball. And I say that with love.

Speaker 1 It could always be worse. Yeah.

Speaker 5 I just don't want to be that. So like, my hope is that Hubert, I know Titus is right here about to hit me in the face about that.

Speaker 5 No, you could be Wisconsin where you're like, always go.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. My friend, my friend,

Speaker 1 I have the self-awareness to know that they'll never win a title. And I don't think they win a title.
And I don't think they're anything they're not, which means that I have happiness.

Speaker 1 Indiana fans, they're much like Nebraska football fans, where

Speaker 1 they think the days, the glory days are right around the corner from coming back. And that is torture.

Speaker 5 That is true torture yeah because as we know all of the best football recruits every year come out of lincoln nebraska and if they could only just keep them in state it would be fine which is get out of here i i do you think mike woodson do you think there's a chance mike woodson might fall asleep during a recruiting video

Speaker 5 no that's huber damis as i said as i said when he was hired big cat if If you're telling, everyone keeps harping on how old he is. The man does not have a gray hair on his head.

Speaker 1 True. Not a single one.

Speaker 1 Not in his

Speaker 1 coaching.

Speaker 1 True. True.

Speaker 5 It's obviously not that old. That's the Coach K test.
As long as you stay black, you're good.

Speaker 5 Keep the hair black, diet, whatever it takes. That's the Mike Woodson.

Speaker 1 Coach K will die at 100 with jet black hair. That's true.

Speaker 1 Do you think that, like, ultimately, I know you said that Coach K came back after Carolina had buried him.

Speaker 1 If you were to put, like, Coach K versus Roy Williams, settle a bet, who had the better career coaching?

Speaker 5 I mean, the better career. This is like a LeBron Jordan conversation.
It's like, look, Coach K, by all accounts, is by far the better career and everything.

Speaker 5 but if push comes to shove if you ask me who i want to be my coach is roy williams 100 out of 100 times not biased yeah at all agreed not biased i'm just saying i want the guy who actually cares about me not the devil yeah you know what i mean i agree with that part yeah i agree with that part absolutely all right guys enjoy uh in indiana uh what do you where people can watch you tomorrow right yeah we'll be uh 3x3u basketball will be on twitter uh you know what i mean it's the same thing every single year all the conferences come together they have a team of four guys.

Speaker 5 They play three-on-three basketball against each other. It'll be great.
And then, you know, from there, Titus and Tate, YouTube, Titus and Tate, the podcast.

Speaker 5 And yeah, we're live in Indy for the final four. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Have Tate back on, for God's sakes. Like, don't wait for the worst moment of his life as a Carolina family.

Speaker 1 No, that's when we want to do it. Yeah.
When Mac Brown retires, we'll have you back on.

Speaker 5 Honestly, it couldn't have been a better first time, guys.

Speaker 5 Every time I come on your guys' show, he's sitting right next to me. And it's just weird.
Again, we are next to each other all the time. So I do feel sad every time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, when Sam, when Sam Howell gets an injury, week one. Yeah, week one, he gets an injury out for the year.
We'll have you back on.

Speaker 5 Can I say this? Uh, Caleb Presley will back this up. Uh, North Carolina is a football school, uh, always has been, always will be.
And uh, you know what I mean? Sam Howell for Heisman.

Speaker 1 Yes, that's all it is. Yes, I like it.
Whenever we have them on in the future, it should just be like one as the primary guest, and then the other person has to sit there while we roast them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. This is great.
This is a lot of fun. All right.

Speaker 5 You guys are the best. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 See you guys. Thanks.
Later.

Speaker 5 See you guys. Bye, guys.

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Speaker 1 Eligibility and member terms apply. Okay, let's do some Fire Fest.

Speaker 1 Breaking moves.

Speaker 1 What happened?

Speaker 1 Really's fired.

Speaker 1 April Fool's. Breaking moves.

Speaker 1 Okay, that cow is dead. That cow is dead.

Speaker 1 Straight on thing was was a favorite rule joke. A movie.
Boom. Boom.
Boom. Called it.
Suck it, Hank. Through your normal-sized gap in your teeth.
Damn.

Speaker 1 What was an advertisement for? Actually, I don't care.

Speaker 1 Well, tell us.

Speaker 1 He has a new app coming out called the Play Barcelona app where you can.

Speaker 1 Oh, nice.

Speaker 1 New contest. He's keeping it or no?

Speaker 1 So he's not keeping it. No, that was.
It was. Yeah.
Gap is back. Okay, the gap is back.
Got it.

Speaker 1 I wonder if he looked at himself and was like, oh, this is kind of cool. Yeah, what if he incepted himself into being like, you should actually do this, Michael? Yeah.
All right, yeah. There it is.

Speaker 1 Goodbye to the gap. Update.

Speaker 1 All right. Firefest of the week, Hank.
I have a couple. I have a live Firefest that's unfolding as the show has been going on.

Speaker 1 But our Instagram is getting hacked. What? What did it post?

Speaker 1 We got an email login that was like... Someone logged in from the Czech Republic.
Yeah. And then I got another email login.
This is all as the show is going on, so I'm trying to deal with it.

Speaker 1 IRTRT.

Speaker 1 And IRL. Yeah.
Oh, this sounds like Brogan Roback all over. The email on your Instagram was changed from Hank at Barstool.
The phone number has been removed on your Instagram account.

Speaker 1 So we're working on it. I'm talking to Paul, talking to Instagram, trying to get that fixed.
So did they post anything hilarious?

Speaker 1 Because Spin Zone, this is the best day to ever get your shit happened. Right.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 They haven't yet.

Speaker 1 I don't know what's going on. But yeah, if anyone posts anything, it's not us.
I hope it becomes us. This is a great tweet.
A LeBron James Stan account for the day. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just goes crazy on it.

Speaker 1 My other Fire Fest, though, before that was that

Speaker 1 on Monday or Tuesday, I forget which day it was, we were doing a live stream. I was sitting next to Coach Dougs, and there was a picture of me looking extremely short next to him.

Speaker 1 And that got tweeted out a bunch of memes. That's fast.
And then I lashed out and then just started tripping you guys unnecessarily because I was upset because there was a picture of me looking short.

Speaker 1 It was honestly pretty immature of you. And yeah.
Yeah. Oh, no, that was PFT.
Oh, that was.

Speaker 1 It was. I looked perfectly normal.
It was a Photoshop. So normal you had to.
Hey, you remember that picture of Hank when he had that big chin? Yeah. That was funny.
Let's all talk about that instead.

Speaker 1 You were so not mad that you posted bad pictures of Hank instantly. Yeah.
It was good pictures of me.

Speaker 1 It was a real picture of you looking short, and then you lashed out and started digging into the Photoshop archive. Hank, it was.
To make yourself feel that way. No, it was a good meme.

Speaker 1 Gonzag was was playing so much better and so then I had to put up a meme talking about the game that we're watching also

Speaker 1 this is this is what this is what really you know has has kept me thinking about it because out of the blue on Friday out of the blue like literally out of the blue it was Friday night I got a tweet I was about to tweet the fat looking no facial hair Photoshop pic of you as a reply to that girl who made the gas station comment but I didn't so it's like PFT knew it was a it was a messed up thing to tweet and then he I was like thank you but he was hurting he was hurting so then he was hurting hurting and then small.

Speaker 1 And he instantly went to the, I'm going to bring everyone else down with me. Right.
No, just Hank. Yeah.
But it wasn't even Hank's fault. It was.
Your fault for being short. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's the live stream. If you want to talk about it.
It was real. It's Marlin's man's fault.
It was real. It was his real.
I thought it was your stepdad. Yeah, I know.
Yeah. He was real.
So, yeah.

Speaker 1 I understand where you're going with this, Hank. I feel bad for you.
You would never post a Photoshop picture of me looking shorter than I normally am looking. Again, that was Liam in the first place.

Speaker 1 You've always held that against me when it was never, I'm just an innocent bystander. I thought you were going to fight me when I came in the office the next day.
No,

Speaker 1 I was only upset because it was realistically small looking. If it had been cartoonistic,

Speaker 1 it was a very good Photoshop. That's why he's the best.
Well, I think you're like seven inches shorter in the picture, so you're saying it's realistic

Speaker 1 than Doug's?

Speaker 1 No, well,

Speaker 1 the Photoshop in question, first of all, was from Rosillo. I think the Rasillo

Speaker 1 rush more of like gym guys. Like, if you won the timestamp, it was legitimately four years ago.
But PFT is holding on to that. Right.

Speaker 1 And you're still holding on blame to me when I literally, like, I walked in the office the next day. PFT, like, stepped up to me with his.

Speaker 1 This is how you get short guys trying to fucking invade all of Europe.

Speaker 1 They just hold it in their chests forever. In my tiny little chest, my small little heart is filled with a

Speaker 1 little pecanio-sized piece of rage. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you listen. I may have been wrong to post that Photoshop, but in the moment, you got to get the internet talking.
You got to get the internet moving off. So

Speaker 1 no regrets.

Speaker 1 Billy, it's a replay. From two years ago.

Speaker 1 Hey, everybody. Let's laugh at Billy.

Speaker 1 That was such an awesome.

Speaker 1 I just thought they walked off and won. They showed Dee De rounding the bases.
You have them on the scene.

Speaker 1 I just saw the game. That was such a genuine.

Speaker 1 Oh, yes. That was so sweet.
I love it. All right, PFD, your Fire Fest? My Fire Fest of the week is that I got the vaccine and

Speaker 1 I can't post about it on social media.

Speaker 1 I don't want to be that guy that tweets it out, that Instagram stories it, that puts it on his Instagram page, because that's lame. It's like, what?

Speaker 1 The vaccine doesn't work unless you put it on social media. But I want to tell people,

Speaker 1 but I don't want to use any platform that I have to tell people that I did get the vaccine today.

Speaker 1 And after getting the vaccine, I'm basically half bat. I'm Batman.
I'm a superhero. And it made me beat Hank and ping pong.
Yeah. Sweep him, in fact.
But it's good that you haven't said it.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to say it because, like, no one, you know, you know, that guy that's like, hey, I'm a vax hole. Hey, look at me.
I got, I'm not going to get sick, and you guys all are. Yep.

Speaker 1 I don't want to do that.

Speaker 1 So it's just tough for me to keep my mouth shut about something like that. But that is the podcaster's burden.
Yes. All right.
My Fire Fest is when we were in Detroit this weekend.

Speaker 1 On Monday, I had a few hours of free time. So I went and visited our good friend Tony Scheffler, who is a varsity women's head coach at his high school.

Speaker 1 And I gave them a pump-up speech before i think it was like state quarterfinals and then they lost by like 40. so yeah it's bad what'd you say i don't know i just

Speaker 1 know like what did you say i was like you guys like this has been a really tough year i have watched a couple of their games because i tony's a good friend so like he'll send us a link and i'll watch it um i'm like you guys are great you know keep playing defense and Tony's really proud of you.

Speaker 1 He probably doesn't tell you guys, but he tells me all the time how proud he is. And everyone was like, great.
This is awesome. They were pumped.
It was great.

Speaker 1 We took, we shot half-court shots to like loosen it up before the playoff game, and they got fucking smoked.

Speaker 1 Well, they probably would have lost by 50 if it wasn't. I'm retiring from the pre-game speech.

Speaker 1 Did we give a pump-up speech to that team at some point via FaceTime?

Speaker 1 There's a couple times. I've sent a few videos.
I did one with you. I did one with Gronk, with A-Rod.

Speaker 1 There's been some pump-ups throughout the years, but this one was the first live in Flesh, and it did not go well at all.

Speaker 1 They got really beat. That's like in the office when Pam's like, hey, Jim, can you talk to my dad and make my parents not break up? Yeah.
And then he's like, sure, no problem. Then boom, divorce.

Speaker 1 What did you say? Yeah, that's

Speaker 1 whatever. You know, get them next year, but not with my speech.

Speaker 1 We'll stop doing speeches. Billy, your Fire Fest? My first Fire Fest was falling for Julian Ellman's April Fool's prank.
It wasn't that you fell for it.

Speaker 1 It was that you were so confidently telling me that you're on high alert. April Fools is like the purge.
It's like, that's the best way to describe it. 24 hours of just like foolery.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like Billy, I think, woke up early this morning. He's like, not going to get got this year.

Speaker 1 He's got post-its on his mirror like a memento. Remember what day it is.
Yeah. Anyway, I got got.

Speaker 1 And my second fire fest is, I think it's time to neuter my dog. Yeah.

Speaker 1 When you told us the story, I don't know if it was just me. No, it was just you.
Yeah, Billy was like,

Speaker 1 I might neuter my dog at some point. I was like, you should neuter it now because that's the right thing to do.
And he's like, well, he's been like fucking jizzing.

Speaker 1 No, he's been jizzing all over his bed. No.
And Billy was like, it's fucking hilarious. That's not funny.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. Not my bed, his bed.

Speaker 1 Well, you guys have the same bed. No, no, I have a very well-trained dog.

Speaker 1 Besides that, he's never been aggressive. He's never humped anything.
You know, he gets the casual rocket, but like, the best dog ever, like, really well-tempered.

Speaker 1 I was in my head, like, okay, I'm going to let him grow, like, let him, like, you know, so he doesn't get the hip problems later in life, and you know, the nasal stuff.

Speaker 1 And I was like, honestly, I might not neuter him because I think it would be cruel to like neuter him in my head, but I will. But,

Speaker 1 yeah, so it's time because he started. I've looked at his bed, there's like yellowish-white stuff.
Oh, yeah, he's coming everywhere. It sounds like nocturnal.
He's not very well-trained, Billy.

Speaker 1 No, he's very well-trained. He's not gonna fuck you, bro.
No, especially after you neuter him, he's nocturnal emissions. It's nocturnal.

Speaker 1 Do you think,

Speaker 1 like, just stepping back outside of this for a second, like, do you think that

Speaker 1 the chickens, chickens dying, frogs getting fucked, dogs jizzing, do you think any of this is normal?

Speaker 1 I'm just laid it all out. I'm just saying what you said.
One of those things is a lie.

Speaker 1 You're right. You're right.
One of the things didn't die. The chickens didn't die.
Well, no, you said that. It was not jizzing.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 yeah. No, it's pretty typical.
Chickens die. Frogs get fucked.
No, dogs. Dogs jizz.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, but I'm saying these are all. He goes back in time every time he goes home.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 Dr. Dew biddle.
Dr. Dew Biddle.
That's good. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. So, Billy.
No, but it's actually.

Speaker 1 I could actually picture Billy as being one of those dog owners.

Speaker 1 I'm going to neuter my dog, but I want it to fuck once. I want it to know what it's like, and then I'll cut its balls off.
Yeah. If you have a

Speaker 1 fucking in his sleep. No.
Show him the way to the way with the chickens. Anyway.
Do you hear hear him well you don't have dogs like yeah they drive

Speaker 1 in dreams yeah do you hear him fucking in his dreams no i just he just like his beds you know a dark color and i went over and i was like what is he doing to his bed is it slobber and then i realized

Speaker 1 oh anyway god what a life what a life um all right uh jake do you got a fire fest to wrap us up yeah it is officially the return of the schwitz oh walking to and from work hoodie and jeans i'm a big sweater and it's like uncomfortable now.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I might have to start rejoining. I know you said big cat last week.
Yeah. You can't really wear hoodies anymore.
It sucks. And I just, yeah, the sweating.

Speaker 1 That's why this every single year this happens the exact same time. I'll like overextend hoodie weather and be like, fuck, now I got to lose weight.
So now I'm not eating any carbs and it sucks.

Speaker 1 You got to start having like an undershirt that you keep at work to change into. The triple S hasn't been cold recently.
We might need to get it again. Because usually that's the great thing.

Speaker 1 You can walk into the office and the Triple S is freezing.

Speaker 1 What's the Triple S? Stool Stream Stadium. Well, how can you get involved in that? You download the play bars still out there.
Oh, shit. Totally freeze.
You know what's crazy? So

Speaker 1 because I swept Hank today,

Speaker 1 Hank didn't win a single game and I beat him so resoundingly. Wait, what do you mean he didn't win a single game? He didn't win a single game against him.
Well, how many games did you win?

Speaker 1 Well, only two because I won both of them. He didn't win any? Yeah, he didn't win a single one and I beat him so resoundingly that somebody won $1,000 for betting on me.
Damn.

Speaker 1 Wait, now, did Hank come close to beating you? No, no, it was actually a blowout. It was 21-16, 21-16.
And it could have been way worse than both guys. I did like the spin around shots.

Speaker 1 I was taunting him.

Speaker 1 I tried to give him an extra point when he almost completely whiffed on a serve. The vaccine is on the banned substance list.
Is this true? It's all kind of astris. I told him,

Speaker 1 Hank cut this part out, but when I got the vaccine, which I'm not going to mention, I told them to put a floater of steroids on there. I was like, just topped me off.
So is this all true, Hank?

Speaker 1 Technically.

Speaker 1 If we're going by the factual thing that we do sometimes, yes. But it was an April Fool's joke.
Yeah, that's right. That's true.
You know what Hank?

Speaker 1 I'm going to delete it. And also the shirt PFT is wearing was so nice.
I just was. Yeah, it's a throwback.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm going to do right now, just for you, Hank?

Speaker 1 I'm going to delete the tweet. Is that a...
No one's seen it probably yet. PFT, is that a...
Is that salmon? Salmon color? No, no, this is pink. Dead.
Just be careful, dude.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, it's not orange enough. I checked it out.
You're going to be part of White Boy Summer. We're not wearing salmon.
Billy. He got milkshake ducked.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? Chad Hank's just problematic? That's great. He didn't get milkshake ducked because we always knew he was problematic.
Yeah. Like, it was, he's not a good.

Speaker 1 We're not laughing with him, we're laughing at him. Okay.
Also, nice job, Billy, because I know you learned milkshake duck last week. So good job using it in a sentence right away.

Speaker 1 All right, numbers. Do you got a fact for us, Billy?

Speaker 1 The picture of me in the gym locker room. I was getting vaccinated.
It was Johnson. Johnson.
31. What? What are you talking about? 18.

Speaker 1 What? 8. Wait, is this 19? 32.
Can you turn it on?

Speaker 1 99.

Speaker 1 Hank, the tweet is now deleted.

Speaker 1 I've deleted the tweet. It's a pig of you.

Speaker 1 31.

Speaker 1 12.

Speaker 1 12. Tommy.
TB 12. Whoa.

Speaker 1 Turn exposed outfielder. First timer.
Yeah. Whoa.
All right. We'll see everyone on Monday.
Have a good weekend. Love you guys.

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