NBA Draft With Ryen Russillo, The Bears Suck, And Guys On Chicks

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On today's Pardon My Take, we have our good friend Ryan Russillo back on the pod. Been a while, almost an hour with Ryan, talking NBA draft.
Then we veer into some weird shit with Billy and him talking about lifting. We got it all.
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The bears are fucking terrible. We will talk about all of it.
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and the Chicago Bears fucking suck that was one of the most boring games that I've ever seen I wish I want the Bears to be bad but fun bad or good I would root for the Bears if they were good I would get behind you up to a certain point where it would break your heart most deeply. But they're not fun bad.
They had 149 yards of offense. Is that correct? PFT, they're leading.
That's impossible to do. Their longest run in the last two games has been by a fucking linebacker in a punt return.
They've scored seven points offensively this year in the third quarter. It doesn't count the third quarter because it was a kick return they are so fucking bad i it's painful it is painful to watch and they like the play calling i actually think now matt nagy like that was a very nice subtle way for him when he pushes the play calling to bill laser he's essentially saying hey everyone it's not the play calling it's the fact that ryan pace has shit for brains and he has completely ruined this roster because offensive line was a problem going in it sucks you you knew that like the quarterback situation was not good you went and got nick foals who look philly loves nick foals nick fooles won a Super Bowl.
I don't know what his injury was, shoulder, rib, whatever. We'll get to that later.
He's not good. He's not good at playing football.
He's not good at being a quarterback. Objectively, he's just not.
He's just found himself in a couple good situations. He's reached incredible heights, and he's had incredible moments, but game game to game he is not a consistent starter in the NFL.
Yeah, I mean, it is basically a really easy way for Matt Nagy to be like, this is not my issue. It doesn't matter who's calling the plays.
It could be Andy Reid himself calling the plays. It could be any offense coordinator in the league, but when you have Nick Foles and then when you have the offensive line injuries

that we have.

And just to be fair,

they are a banged up football team.

But everyone is.

Everyone is.

It's not great.

And it's so fucking boring to watch.

It's just...

Oh, it's so boring.

Even the most exciting part of any Bears game

should be Corderell Patterson getting the ball

because it's cool to see a big-ass wide receiver playing running back every now and again. Even that's boring because I've seen it so much and it's usually not effective.
And they even said that he's – I think Steve Levy said last night he's gotten so fat that he's basically also a fullback. Yeah, and the Bears are so bad offensively that they were down six points and they returned a punt to like the 45-yard line of the Vikings and there was a 0% chance they were going to score and everyone knew it and then on like third down I don't it's insane that you can have a team Mike Zimmer is a great coach Mike Zimmer was blitzing every third down and no one realized it I like it was it was clockwork every third down bring the pressure Nick Foles runs for his life nothing happens oh let's throw in a pat like they ran that one fucking pass it was like second and six and they ran a pass like four yards behind the line of scrimmage they're just so bad and incompetent and terrible and i hate ryan pace and i hate to do this because mr miski is a very nice guy and it's not his fault but this is what happens these are the repercussions of missing when you take a swing for the fences on a quarterback in the first round and you miss.
You feel it for a decade going forward. The Bears will be chasing that mistake for a very long time.
I just think that it's remarkable that Matt Nagy found somebody that shares his exact brain when it comes to play calling that he could give up play calling to. Yeah, because there was actually no difference last night watching the stuff that Bill Lazor came up with as opposed to what Matt Nagy was doing earlier.
So there's, yeah, there's no good. You know what you can take solace in, though? The defense, the defense is still somehow playing very hard.
Also, did you see? Defense looks good. Did you see what happened when Akeem Hicks got hurt? Most important player.
Changed a little bit. Most important player.
The Vikings were able to run the ball very easily. Changed a little bit.
But still, the defense is good. I think the Bears' defense, it's still...
No, it's very good. It's a defense that you could definitely win a Super Bowl with if you had an above-average offense.
But we don't. And everything broke the exact right way.
But you don't. And it stinks.
And we're going to have to watch the Bears in primetime again next weekend. Flex it.
And that's going to stink. Flex it.
When do they start flexing i they have to flex that they can't do this anymore i can't that's the worst part about watching the bears in a standalone game is the amount of tweets of like how do you do this and i don't know it's miserable it's so it's so fucking terrible to watch and it's so dysfunctional and i like nothing works and it all sucks and they suck and i know people be like well there are frauds no if you listen to what i said from day one i was not apologizing for five and one because i was trying to enjoy the ride but i knew this was a house of cards i was realistic that this wasn't going to hold up i thought maybe with a five and one start you can luck into a playoff spot because you've already you You know what I mean? If you start 5-1, you can reasonably finish the season 4-6 and maybe get into the playoffs at 9-7. That's what I was hoping for.
Yeah, but now guess what? No chance. You also won too many games.
Yes. So now your draft order is going to be all fucked up.
It's all fucked. You're not going to be able to get somebody good.
So I know who's going to be available in the offseason as a free agent. But yeah, you guys are fucked.
You guys are just fucked. No, they suck.
In 2014, they said you can start flexing starting in week five. However, 12 days notice.
Week five. All right, so 12 days notice.
So we're too late for this weekend. No, it's not this weekend.
That's right, because they're on a bye week. Yeah, yeah.
That's nice. Which is actually.
That's a good break for you. It's so perfect that they're on a bye week because that will give me just enough time to forget what happened last night.
You know what, though? And be like, ooh, the Bears can beat the Packers. They're not going to flex it because it's Bears-Packers.
I know. They're going to want to see Aaron Rodgers in front of time.
And they want to see us have pain. They don't want to see you happy, Big Cat.
All right. What else? I mean, Kirk Cousins, let's give him some credit.
He won a Monday night football game. Yeah, great job, Kirk.
Great job, Kirk. You've got Adam Thielen, look pretty good.
Justin Jefferson, Baby Braun. I can't decide which one's Baby Braun.
We should do a Baby Braun of the week. Yes.
Just whoever's good at that point, we'll claim them for LeBron James so he doesn't have to worry about it. Yeah, so that game sucked.
And then, obviously, we're now taping this on Tuesday, so you're going to listen to this on Wednesday. You watched the game two nights ago, and then Theo Epstein resigned.
So everything's falling apart for me. I think everyone knew it was going to happen because he's always said, I'm 10 years and I'm out.
This was year nine, so it's a year early, but there was some rumors out there that he was thinking about it. Theo Epstein might be the best guy at his job ever in sports.
I mean, in terms of GMs, there's not many up there. He is exceptional, and he deserves all the praise.
If you get the Red Sox and the Cubs World Series titles. And he'll probably go do the fucking Mets.
There are no more kingdoms. If he gets the Mets, then switch over to football, get the Jets.
It's sad to see him resign. He wants to get into politics.
If he could get the Red Sox, the Cubs, and the Mets. Don't ruin it.
And then if he were to make the Democrats take the Senate, those are like the four most impossible things to do in the world. Yeah, he deserves all the credit for what he did in Chicago, and it sucks, but it also, I understand, he's a 10-year guy.
He said that from day one. So I actually think he'll be the next commissioner.
He should be the next commissioner. I think Manfred's got to be nervous because Theo Epstein's a fucking genius, and everything he does turns into being great.
And yeah, the are in a great spot right now but who the fuck cares flags fly forever listen there's there's nothing that epstein could do that would make him a worse commissioner than rob manford has been so all he has to do is apologize for his brother's acts that's right stay out of the island jeffrey yeah no that's actually he's not related okay so for the record are we sure the? Are we sure? For the record. Are we 100% sure? For the record, not related.
Have you checked the flight logs? Is the GOAT. I love him forever.
He spends a lot of time scouting teenagers. Jed Hoyer is now the head of the operations.
Also, Theo gave back his salary. Well, I don't know.
Is it technically giving back if you quit? No, that's just quitting. You're not taking his salary.
Well, but he could have easily... But when you quit a job, then they don't have to pay you afterwards.
When you get fired, he could have done something to get himself fired. He was getting paid...
He was going to get paid $10 million next year. He could have easily mailed that in.
You think he's going to go to the Mets? Because I don't think... No, no, he says he's going to take a year off.
You can't quit and then go to the Mets. No, he says he's going to take a year off.
But I'm saying that he could have easily just cashed that check. Yeah.
So he deserves at least a little credit for that. I guess so.
And the Cubs have had to fire a bunch of people on their staff because of COVID. So Ricketts isn't rich enough.
But yeah, that sucked. So that's pretty much everything that's going on in the sports world.
Everything sucks. Anything else before we get to hot seat, cool throne? U.S.
soccer's back. They won 6-2.

We did against who? Panama.

That doesn't count. We'll take

it. Next up,

Trinidad, and then maybe even Tobago.

Maybe we can beat both those teams again.

You know what? Let's do your tired idea now because then we'll

do guys on chicks after Rosilla. Okay, so

my tired idea is actually, it's a

good hot seat. My tired idea is revolving

around Twitter. So Twitter

came out with fleets today, which

is Instagram stories, four-year

I'm going to go to the podcast. tired idea is actually it's a it's a good hot seat my tired idea is revolving around twitter so twitter came out with fleets today which is instagram stories four year after instagram copied stories from snapchat stories um so now you can send you can post a story on instagram and then you can see who looked at it but you can't see an order of who you follow looked at it.
And then people can reply to your fleets.

Wait,

on Twitter or Instagram?

On Twitter.

You fleet.

You fleet.

Yeah.

And then,

and then where does it go?

It goes at the top.

I haven't seen one.

You haven't,

you haven't gotten updated yet.

Do I,

should I not?

It's going to update naturally.

It updated naturally for me.

Yeah. I hate updating.

Yeah.

It's the worst.

So my tired idea is just an app that copies whatever the last iteration of the most popular social media was, and then it lets people use that. So, for example, everyone's mad about Instagram, right? Because Instagram also changed their layout.
You just come out with a product that's Instagram, but just the last one that they had. Yeah.
And you just keep updating. As they go one further, you go one behind them, and then everyone goes goes to the old version it's always the most immediate old version of that app i like that why we don't like change well we don't like change and it does feel like this is everyone's just chasing the heyday of vine just bring back vine vine it was the most perfect app that's ever been invented vine was everything that t TikTok and Instagram stories and fleets always wanted to be.
Vine was the perfect app. Six seconds.
It also, Vine was like the greatest. Because TikTok, anyone can do anything.
Because it's like, is it unlimited time on TikTok? Unlimited. Is it? No.
Okay, well, how much time? I think a minute. Okay.
A minute's a long time. Having to be funny in six seconds or less is very hard to do.
So I feel like Vine. Damn, Daniel.
Yeah, Vine was the perfect app where it was like. Yeah, sex problem, you're addicted to sex.
Yeah, it was tough. That was a great find.
These are, there were all kinds, like, I still remember Vines, like individual Vines. Yes.
It was amazing. You remember, like, maybe ago, Twitter said, Suddude.
Okay, guess what? We're going to give you the ability to send an audio tweet. What the fuck was that about? Yeah.
Who the fuck uses audio tweets? That's the stupidest shit that I've ever... You ever have someone send you a text message, audio text message? Those are the worst.
I always just assume it's their butt rubbing against their phone and they did it by accident. Yes, those are fucking terrible.

With a butt tweet, I just...

And everyone says, like, just give us an edit button.

For the record, I don't want an edit button.

No!

I live my life by the seat of my pants.

I just fire off.

I fire and forget.

I don't want to have to go back and edit shit.

Everyone says, give me an edit button.

I'm team not edit button.

But literally no one was asking for an audio tweet.

And Fleets?

Well, Fleets is kind of growing on me because it just seems like a cool... What does it stand for? Fleet.
I don't know. It's a boat.
It's a giant boat. No, it's a group of boats.
It's Blake's. Film tweets, but it's not a group of ships sailing together, engaged in the same activity.
Oh, that's what a fleet is. Yeah.
Got it. I don't know what they're doing.
It's going to be great, though. We just joked about that, but in 10 years, people will be like, fleet? Is boats? What are you talking about? No, it's the Twitter videos.
The reason I know it's not going to work is because it doesn't even work for horniness. You can't really creep on people and see who's creeping on you if you're a horny person on it.
That's the only way to make any sort of new social media app work is if there's an ability to get real horned up on it. Yeah, Billy? Really? I wonder if there was an app to find other horny people.
Other fleeters? Hmm. Hmm.
In a proximity. Okay.
Anyway. Go on.
He's talking about his app. Oh, you're talking about your Hmm.
Hmm. In proximity.
Okay.

Anyway.

Go on.

He's talking about his app.

Oh, you're talking about your app.

Mark Cuban.

Okay.

That has nothing to do with fleet, though.

Horniness.

All right.

Should we do... Either way, fleets...

I feel like this is just the way for Twitter.

I mean, I think we've said this before, but Twitter does this every so often just so people can complain about Twitter, which gets Twitter back in the news. It's very meta.
It usually happens when Jack spends like a week and a half in isolation on a beach building a campfire for himself and meditating. And then he comes back.
He's like, I've got a great idea. I unlocked the secret to the universe.
We're just going to copy Instagram stories. Yes.
Yes. Fleets.
All right. Let's get to Hot Seat Cool Throne.
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My first one is Kyle Kuzma. Okay.
Yes. He, the other day on Twitter, asked the world who wanted a PS5, insinuating he was going

to give away a PS5 or two.

People got really excited.

And then there was a bunch of rumors about him getting traded, and he deleted his Twitter.

Oh.

So did he get hacked?

Delete your account, fam.

No, I think he had a very sub-tweet, like, don't worry about other people's opinions.

That was his last tweet.

And then he deleted his account.

That's too much drama. This league.
That guy's too much drama. What happens? Can you bring it back? You can bring it back, right? My other hot seat is a little...
That's kind of like a show. That's a showy move.
Enough disrespect on my name. Y'all will be reminded.
Peace sign emoji. Great way to leave.
And then Lil Wayne got arrested today for firearms. Might be going to jail for 15 years.
What? But he endorsed Trump, who can now pardon him for the next. Lil Wayne's got to be thinking to himself, I've got, what, 60 days? Yeah.
Yeah. Oh, are you conceding? Not officially.
Okay. So, yeah.
I mean, I hope he gets out. Can't have Lil Wayne behind bars for 15 years.
No. Damn.
So did he get his house raided or what happened? Well, I think it was something like that. It was one of those things where he shot himself when he was way younger.
He picked up a gun and accidentally shot himself. Then he got arrested a few years ago and the gun wasn't even loaded.
And then in today's arrest, because he's a felon, you're not allowed to have guns. But he had guns.
But in the arrest report, it's like, we knew he wasn't going to use them, blah, blah, blah.

So it's like, he's just a bad gun owner.

Just license your guns.

Right.

But he's a convicted felon, so he can't.

So he can't have them.

But in the report, they're like, yeah, it seems like he was never going to use them.

He never has used them, but he can't have them, so he's arrested.

So it's like, he's just, you know, a terrible gun owner.

He just loves having guns around.

Right.

Can't stop guns.

Right.

Got it.

Okay.

And then my cool throne

is people who

like my dog's boner. Big Cat, I guess.

Triggs,

I'm going to send you guys this picture.

I don't like your dog's boner.

I have stopped

tweeting about your dog's boner. You

have made me look at your dog's boner. You

have now brought your dog's boner back into this show.

Well, I mean, after it was brought on in the first place uh by you by you by me you but then that's good then shriggs made this movie uh so now can we laugh about your dog's boner again or no the cartoon version yeah okay the cartoon version yeah so boner dogs 2 uh the enormous adventure we're gonna tweet it out it's on sale if you want to buy a poster buy a poster probably the holiday gift of the season. So wait, so Boner Dogs 2, the enormous adventure.
We're going to tweet it out. It's on sale.

If you want to buy a poster, buy a poster.

Probably the holiday gift of the season. So wait, so now you're making money off of your dog's boner,

but I was wrong to tweet it?

I never said you were wrong to tweet it.

I just said that Big Cat's addicted to you.

It was the second and third time.

No.

I only tweeted it once.

You're giving your dog the starring role in Boner Dogs. Boner Dogs 2.
Yeah, it's Boner Dogs 2. Okay, got it.
The sequel. Got it.
Okay. And we changed up some of the actors in there, so if you have the first Boner Dogs poster, you've got to get the second one up to it.
I just think it's a little suspect. Efron, McConaughey, Wahlberg, Sandler.
I've been accused of liking Hank's dog's penis too much, and now we're selling merch. I mean, it's one of those things where your hands are tied.
Yeah, you're very hypocritical with your stance on your own dog's penis. Absolutely not.
I was the one that wanted to see you guys in the first place. Why did you guys see it in the first place? Oh, you're admitting that now.
Okay, good. Thankfully, at least we got there after you tried to shame me.
I did not shame you. I sent out a tweet and it seemed like you felt shame.
I was loving my life not knowing how enormous your dog's penis was. And then you showed up and showed me.
And my life has never been the same. I think about your dog's dick constantly.
I just don't like it because it looks like it hurts. It looks like he's sick.
Oh, he's in pain. It looks like he's got his intestines falling out of his stomach.
Correct. He's in a lot of pain.
Yeah, you're right, Billy. It does look like he's got a hernia.
He's got a hernia. He's got a sports hernia.
Is that it, Hank? Yeah, that's it. I have another one, but I don't want to.
No, go ahead. No, do it.
No, no, no. No, it's selfish and it's about me and this is a podcast about you guys.
No, you do it. It's fine.
I don't want you guys to get mad at me. It's not a podcast about us, Hank.
It's a podcast about friendship. Go ahead.
All right, Thursday, Big Cat's playing a doubleheader and PFT's playing. I told you I didn't want to do it.
No, no, no. You didn't want to.
Big Cat, electric match today. PFT lost today.
So you guys, the entire broadcast. Big Cat's playing twice.
PFT's playing third. Starts at 2 o'clock.
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Great. All right.
Cool. I didn't want to do that.
I really didn't want to. Anything else? Fantasy Factory? Anything big coming? Fantasy Factory comes out on Thursdays.
Make sure you go listen. I'll give one to Jake, too.
Go listen to the BenchBob podcast. Also out on Thursdays.
Yeah. Yeah, listen to Jake's podcast.
College basketball is back. And Jake's going to cuss on the podcast if he hasn't enough subscribers.
That's nice. Wait, one week from today? Oh, I see fleets.
This is so stupid. Yeah, you got them now? Oh, no.
Did you see the one I posted? What the hell? We're actually really going to like fleets. I'm guaranteeing.
Give me a month. I'll be addicted to fleets.
I'll be a foodaholic. No.
I just don't think, like, I'm pretty sure, and I'm not, like, a huge nerd with this stuff, but I'm pretty sure, like, you know, Instagram, when you put up stories, it, like, converts. Like, if you put up a story, be like, go buy this shirt, a lot of people will do that on Instagram stories.
Right. But on Twitter, when you tweet stuff, and you're like, hey, go, like, buy this merch, whatever, the, whatever, people don't really do it.
The conversion rate is very low. So I don't know if that's the same with fleets.
There's no point. Can you swipe up on a fleet? I don't know.
That is what I'll be interested in. It's one of those things where it's like fleets pop off.
People do stuff based off fleets. I'm off on fleets.
Out. I'm out.
All right, PFT, what's your hot seat, Cool Throne? My hot seat is Masters Ratings. And then by extension, my Cool Throne is NFL Ratings.
So this weekend. I'm out.
Alright, PFT, what's your hot seat, Cool Throne? My hot seat is Masters ratings. And then by extension, my Cool Throne is NFL ratings.
It was unlucky though. It's the slate debate.
We have to make jumping rash conclusions about everything after these ratings come back. Get broke.
The Masters? Who got woke in golf recently? Didn't they just let Condoleezza Rice be a member? Five years ago? At Augusta? How does, I don't want to say their name because they love whenever they're mentioned, but how do the ratings police spin this one when it's been every sport across the board has been down in ratings because they're all being played at weird times, but then only pick one league that's got got woke and went broke well also politics the election coverage ratings were way down which is people are sick of all the politics and their politics how do you spin that it's like yeah uh there's really no way to spin it but actually i do admire the way that fox managed to spin their numbers because fox they lucked into this one because they had huge ratings on NFL football, but they said a 71% increase over the last season. They had 18 million viewers.
Most watch NFL regional window on Fox since 2009, just completely leaving out the fact that they got all the games from CBS that were also on various Fox regional networks. Listen, the ratings war is all about spinning it.
I mean, we've been in it. You just pretend that you puff out your chest.
You pretend you're a fucking peacock. Remember when we had our one TV show? We had to be like, well, what does this mean? The streaming numbers and all that.
Yeah. 70% of people that usually watch Jimmy Fallon watched us.
That was like the big thing that we got to claim. Ratings people suck.
They are the worst. Especially the first 24 hours after the ratings come out.
That's when you know everyone's wrong. Not to break the fourth wall, but if someone is talking about how big their show is, like constantly, probably not.
Yes. If they constantly can't stop talking about the growth of their show, probably not as big as they say.
Because you can't play the percentage game forever. Correct.
You can't. Correct.
Eventually, you are what you are. Also, it's not necessarily the size of the show.
Billy's laughing. No, no, no.
Say it. What were you going to say, Billy? Go off.
No, no. I was...
Nothing. You were going to say something about golf.
No, I wasn't going to say anything about golf. Just do it.
Just say it. Say it.
About wokeness. I think watching golf is kind of like watching C-SPAN.
Oh, that's controversial. You know what I think? Ever since they stopped letting people call in and report their own rules violations, I feel like it's less of a sport for me to watch at home.
Golf coverage, they'll never figure it out, though. Like, there were times I was watching.
I watched pretty much every second of the Masters, and there were times when you just couldn't. Okay, I want to watch Brooks live.
No, we're going to go to this fucking loser. There are too many rules about who you're allowed to watch and at what times.
It's just, how does golf not have an option? Just give me everything. It's very simple.
Just put one drone that follows every single group. So even if they're not on the main TV cameras, you can at least watch them via drone.
Right, right. All right, your cool throne? That was my hot seat and my cool throne.
So my hot seat was the Masters ratings. My cool throne was the Fox NFL doubleheader ratings.
All right, my hot seat is Sean Payton for medical malpractice because after the game on Sunday, after he heard me say that Drew Brees actually had a shoulder injury, he went and punctured Drew Brees' lung. And broke two more of his ribs.
And broke two more ribs so that then everyone could dunk on me. No, but seriously, I got that very, very wrong.
He still has a shoulder injury, but he did not. He has a real rib injury.
I'm here ready to admit that I was wrong. I fucked up.
I took a Mecca Okafor. It was very...
It sucked because if you look at Adam Schefter's tweet of being like Drew Brees punctured a lung and had two rib injuries, and you just scroll it, I think I was tagged 7,000 times. You were very adamant about the fact.
I still am adamant. You got too woke for a second.
I am adamant. That's fine.
Listen, we all jump to conclusions sometimes. Took my shot.
Missed. You took your shot.
Also, his shoulder's hurt. If you had been right, then you would have looked really, really smart.
His shoulder's still hurt. But his ribs are very hurt.
He's got four broken ribs, five broken ribs. I was very wrong.
One punctured lung. The punctured lung, Drew, that was running up the score on me.
He looked like he was going to puke when he was walking off the field. Wouldn't you say? Yeah, he didn't need to come out with that.
He didn't need to puncture his lung to really dunk on me. I would have been fine with just the five ribs confirmed broken.
I would have been an idiot. But the punctured lung made me both an idiot and an insensitive idiot so a punctured lung seems like there's been a lot of that going around recently is that one of those things where whenever you break a rib too badly and it indents your lung a little bit or does your lung actually deflate billy you probably know punctured yeah it's punctured so does it deflate yeah well you Well, you have a hole.
How do you re-uncture it?

How do you seal the hole?

They actually have – I think they – I don't know the exact procedure,

but they have to, like, close the hole or it seals.

Duct tape.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Flex seal.

Flight, that's what I was thinking.

Yeah.

Slap it on there.

Yeah, it's Billy Mays.

Not Billy Mays, but junk guard Billy Mays.

You might get to Rod Taylor next year after he comes back from his puncture.

Oh, that would be great.

He would actually be a perfect Bears quarterback. Yeah.
Yeah, he would. He would actually maybe score some points.
I don't even want to think about the Bears anymore. It's just so fucking bad.
All right, my cool throne. I actually don't have a cool throne.
Billy. My hot seat.
I have one for you. Oh, go.
The stupid fucking people. I'm talking a lot about Twitter, so maybe not.
But the stupid, like, they hand make, like, the Trump, this has been contested or whatever. Oh, yes.
Everyone, that's... Yeah, very hot in the streets.
Yeah. It's really annoying.
This is false information. I have not seen a single one of those memes that has been funny.
Right. I haven't even cheesed once.
I saw one under the Can't Lose Parlay. Oh.
That was funny. Mr.
Parlay. Oh, wait,

cool thrown my spreadsheet.

These guys didn't actually read the spreadsheet.

No,

no,

no,

no,

no,

no,

I will defend this because I have the writing.

I have the writing.

What did you say on the podcast?

The reverse parlay.

Those picks 0 and 0 and 5,

correct?

Yeah,

but guess what?

The whole point of the spreadsheet was that you bet the other side too.

So if it goes 0 and 5,

you hit that 5 and 0 parlay on the other side.

But Billy,

and thus you go positive. So we're up $32.
Billy, how many people follow you on Twitter? A good amount. How many? I'm kind of embarrassed about it.
No, just say it. It's not embarrassing.
84K. Thank you, Jake.
That's embarrassing. 10X listening to the podcast.
So all those people that didn't get to hear the podcast or don't follow you on Twitter get screwed. No, but it won.
So actually, go check it out because I put it how it won, and we've actually improved it for next week. Actually, it's kind of a really fun communal thing.
We've improved it. We've improved it.
Yeah. There's like, you know, we've done some spreadsheets.
Yeah. So Cool Throne, my parlay system, Hot Seat.
Is it possible to lose all your money in your parlay system? No, you can't lose all of it. It's impossible.
Impossible to lose all of it. You can lose some of it.
You can win a lot more, but you can't lose all of it. Or you could just bet on the games and probably not lose all your money.
No, but there's a chance you lose all of it. But if you bet on every game.
I just do this to budget to be financially responsible. That's good.
Responsible gambling. Responsible gambling.
I'm helping people be responsible. Sorry.
What's your? Hot seat. Baby Yoda committed genocide.
Another cool throne. Ben Roethlisberger.
Dude, don't ruin it. No, Ben Roethlisberger asked Mike Tomlin if he could do the coronavirus practice schedule again this week when he doesn't have coronavirus.
Which I think is awesome. He's just like,

yo, dude, I think that worked last

week. Let's do it again.
Right, so he basically

got two days off work because he hung

out next to someone allegedly that

he thought might have the coronavirus. He self-reported it.

He should hang out with

who's the guy from Brazil? Bolsonaro?

Yes. Is he the president of Brazil that keeps getting

coronavirus? Yes, he keeps catching it.

Ben should just travel to Brazil on Monday and then fly back and be like, I got to sit out for the next couple of days. Oh, Ben, he's the best.
He is the absolute best. All right, let's get to our interview with Ryan Russillo.
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Okay.

Here he is, Ryan Russillo.

Okay.

We now welcome on our good friend, recurring guest. Been too long.
It is Ryan Russillo, draft expert. Yeah, you're a draft expert.
NBA insider. Watch all the tape.
Knows everything. Ryan, I'm told you talk to a lot of guys around the league.
Is that true? Everyone. How many guys on a weekly basis would you say you talk to? Oh, yeah, probably.
I don't around five a week but i mean some weeks you just don't want to talk to anybody either and i'm sure plenty of times they don't want to talk to me but you know the funny thing is is you can talk and talk and talk and even guys that do this for a living if work for teams like you'll think something on especially in a week like this you'll think something last, and there's multiple things that I've already changed my mind on

based on information.

Guys that get paid for it and have the pressure

actually having to hit send on getting stuff right,

those guys have way more pressure than a guy like me

or anybody that just talks to people and you're like,

yeah, this could be something that's happening.

So we get off easy, but it sucks when you get stuff wrong.

It's the worst.

Yes, I agree.

Drew Brees, he does have a broken rip. I wasn't going to bring that up.
I'm going to bring it up on the show. I was going to let you skate.
I brought it up beforehand. Wait, did you guys have a Brees insider? Yeah, no, I was woke on him.
I thought his shoulder was hurt. And then Sean Payton further broke Drew Brees' lung to really stick it to me to make me look like an asshole.
It was one of those things that it was a take that Big Cat thought sounded right at the time and i do those all the time so i'm not in any position to judge but at the time i was like i think i think he might be over the skis on this his shoulders still hurt his shoulders still hurt uh all right let's talk by the way no no i'm gonna interrupt you here though because i just i love that there's certain guys and i'm not even criticizing it but there are guys that are like the quickest to go something's wrong with this dude like all the time so I feel like I'm the anti like how do you know just by watching a guy that you think he's hurt all the time like it happens in basketball all the time we're like oh something's wrong with this guy and then you'll call me like no he's fine he just missed a million shots and then we call that that so Russell Wilson has gotten into that territory now it's the Steph Curry territory where Steph Curry is so beloved that if he has a bad game, everyone's like, well, his ankle must be hurt. Russ Wilson, when he's starting to play bad, everyone's like, well, is something wrong with him? You did it though.
You said something wrong with him. No, I know.
That's a joke. I know.
He just, he just kind of sucks right now or he hasn't. Well, I don't think, yeah, I think it has more to do with his defense.
We had Dilfer on on monday and i go what do you see and he goes he just knows he has to chuck it up all the time because that defense is so bad so all right now i see what you're doing i'm on to it by the way you said recurring guests long time it's almost controversially long how long has it been like a year over over a year well i don't know about that you had i'm not sure if it's... When you said that thing, you said Big Ben's no longer elite, and we were like, what the fuck, dude? You're off the show.
Did Big Ben beat COVID, by the way? Did that go under the radar? He low-key had COVID, so he came into work one day, and he was like, yo, I think I heard somebody sneeze at the gym yesterday. On the low, low.
Yeah, on the low. He literally is Ricky Bobby.
He just didn't want to practice. Yeah, he's Ricky Bobby getting stabbed in the leg when he pretends that he's paralyzed and then being like, dude, you're not hurt.
He's like, no, I am. I'm really hurt.
Tomlin even said. If there were ever an athlete that's like, you guys don't have home self-test kits? Yeah.
You're like, what? You're like, yeah, I have my own kit. It's a Q-tip and some candle wax.
He's like, I tested tested positive, but I'm good. Yeah.
What? Um, all right. NBA draft.
So does this draft suck or is it that we didn't have March madness? And the top picks are a guy who played in Australia, a guy who played for a shitty Georgia team, a guy who got suspended from Memphis and ain't no stopping. It'll be topping and an Israeli dude.
Which one? That's right. You're on it.
The Israeli dude. Yeah.
It's a bad draft at the top and it may be historically bad. And, you know, I know the closer we get to this, it happens every year where it'll be a bad draft.
And I remember a GM telling me this a long time ago. He goes, drafts are like spring weddings where the closer you get to it, the more you're like, this is actually going to be awesome.
Where the entire time leading up to it, you're like kind of dreading, is the weather going to be good? I don't know. I mean, I'm not big in the wedding game, so I didn't fully understand the analogy.
But I got the point that the closer you get to every single draft, the more and more people start to talk themselves into it. So this has become the, you know what, it's not great at the top, but there's a ton of depth, there's a ton of players all over the place.
And I really think if you look at it historically, those picks, and you're seeing GMs just give these things away now but the picks you know late first you know 20 on if you get a rotation guy that's a huge hit there's so many misses so maybe it ends up being a better draft because there's more depth and there's some guys that make rotations and end up getting the second third contracts which is really a lot for somebody that's outside of the lottery like that's a huge win as much as you kind of want to fall in love with your guy that's picked at 22. But at the top, you always hope every year there's maybe one or two guys that can really impact a franchise.
And I'm not saying the handful of players that are in the league now that truly alter who you are as a team because there's not that many of those guys. There's not 10 players in the league that completely change who you are as a team, and there's certainly not even close to as many as we think there are in the draft.
But this has a chance to have zero I can talk myself in and out of every one of the top I like Wiseman I've seen him play three games in college okay that's ridiculous that I like him this much but I like him this much in comparison to everybody else LaMelo I can see it six seven six eight sees the floor really athletic great handle but when I watch the 12 games that he played in the australian league it's impressive slash gross all the time because of his approach to the game and then you know even anthony edwards who we understand physically how impressive he is you're like okay so what did he do he took eight threes a game for a team that lost all the time and didn't make any of them so i want to actually ask a question about that because this is this might make me like a hot take old guy,

but how much do you put into being on like not being able to win at college?

Like Anthony Edwards, like Ben Simmons, the LSU team didn't go to the tournament.

Markel Fultz, that Washington team was bad.

Is it wrong of me to be like, yo, dude, if you're like the number one pick or, you know or you know number one number two you should be good enough to win some more games in the sec or is that unfair it's part of it but i still think it's unfair i mean think about mellow when mellow came out he was the ultimate winner all right wait he still is uh yeah the fucking check the fucking gold medals dude you know what i want to hear one time is when a guy's up for the Hall of Fame, they're like silver medalist. Because, you know, my longstanding, like, the sooner you have to mention somebody won a gold medal in the Olympics, their argument to make the Hall of Fame, the worse their chances are of getting the Hall of Fame, except the part where everybody gets into the basketball Hall of Fame.
So it's not great, but, like, the Ben Simmons stuff I thought was always kind of weird because he was lazy, right? And it's not that he was lazy. That team was a mess.
They had like four guys that all thought they were the number one option. I don't know that the coach was that great all the time.
And here he was supposedly lazy and he was double-digit rebounds in SEC play. So if you're lazy, you're not going to rebound like that.
So the Edwards part is, like I'm more worried about his shooting. I think the weirdest thing, if you wanted to go old guy is because of Steph shot range and what's an acceptable shot for him.
The same thing with Lillard Harden, even Trey young. He makes a lot of those, you know, from far out enough, like he can keep taking them because he makes enough of them.
There's this entire generation of younger players that have seen guys pull up from 30 feet transition and they didn't even care if it goes in. They just pull up.
I mean, Lamella was 25% on seven attempts per game in the 12 games he played in Australia. I can't believe there wasn't a vet that beat him up in the locker room at halftime at one of these games, but I guess they were just all cool with it, and apparently he bought the team or was buying it.
So that might have been part of it. But there's a whole movement now of young guys.
Like it used to be, you didn't matter if the last second shot went in, you just had to take it because that's what Kobe did. Now it's become, I'll just pull up from 30 because that's awesome.
Be like, well, it doesn't go in. Be like, yeah, but it's pretty sweet.
It looks sick. Yeah, like the next iteration is going to be a guy who can draw fouls like James Harden, but absolutely sucks at free throws, to the line like 40 times a game with with LaMelo isn't it a little strange to you that LeVar Ball has just been completely silent for what seems like the last year and a half where is he is somebody is he tied up in a basement somewhere what's going on with that I think he's trying to get those big baller brand orders out that haven't been fulfilled he's in a warehouse yeah? Yeah.
Yeah. It's like, oh.
He's like, we're out of eight and a halves again. You know what? I actually think part of it is, is he probably crossed the line at a couple of things that he said were for today's climate.
Like some people probably didn't want to book him. I also know, at least from the ESPN experience, he was becoming a bigger and bigger pain in the ass for the stuff he was asking for.
Like he would call up and be like, I want this car. And then it was like, no, I want this car.
And they'd get him that car. And then it's like, no, I want milk and cookies.
I heard a story about a milk and cookies request where they're like, all right, fuck off. Give me a break.
I would give him the milk and cookies. That's the only thing I would offer him to come back on part of my show.
Did he not get pitched to you guys? He got pitched to me recently. He got pitched to us as soon as ESPN stopped having him on.
And we were kind of – I don't think he liked us. No.
I think we just kept on calling – I don't think he likes anybody, really. We kept on calling him a small baller.
All right, so Anthony Edwards, I actually – I don't actually put that much stock into, like, your college team suck. That's more of an old guy.
So here's the other old guy thing. By the way, Washington's a great call because all they end up with, all these five-star guys that go in the front, and they suck all the time.
They suck. Like, I watched them all.

They have two guys that are first-rounders again,

and Jaden's a five-star kid, 6'9 perimeter player,

and then you watch him and you're like,

what happens to you when you go to Washington?

Yeah, it's crazy.

It's the weird camera angle that always fucks me up.

No, seriously, that's the weirdest camera angle in all sports.

There's some weird Pac-12 angles.

They are.

I'll give you that.

They have a weird one in football, too. So here's the other old guy take or trying to figure this out.
How much stock do you put into the difference between a 19-year-old and a 22-year-old? Because I love this. Like, Obi Toppin, he's old.
He's 22. And then, you know, who's the Florida State kid? Williams, right? Patricks right patrick williams who probably would be a bull he just turned 19 in august so he's got to go up the boards because he just turned 19 do you really fall into like what month you were born matters that much i do i do there's just enough information that backs it up that you know i remember like the old Dick Vitale on draft night when he was still on the draft.

He would get super mad when like Keith Bogans doesn't go higher because Keith Bogans had been around for a while. And like Keith Bogans is a bad example for my point, but like he stuck around for a little while, was a nice player.
But it's like whenever anybody would get drafted that was older and then produced, people would say, you know, what's wrong with just taking a guy that was around for a bunch of years? and now you know exactly what you're getting.

But based on projections and the rate of, like, oh, if you're this young, the expected improvement, it's really not even debatable. Like, yes, there are exceptions, and that's what I hate when people argue the exceptions, but the younger you are as a prospect, and this league is especially in the draft, it's so hard.
We've been over this a million a million times it's so hard in free agency it's so hard with trades that that's why you'll see teams go like yeah maybe I could take the 21 or 22 year older and maybe he makes my seventh or eighth slot in the rotation and maybe I know exactly what I get but it's so hard to add any next level talent I'll take the younger guy and hope it works out yes there are tons of bust all over the place but if you look at it historically you know the better players end up becoming the guys that are drafted when they're younger and I remember one time Stern was got super pissed which is rare when he was being interviewed after the playoffs and I think it was an international report it was like what would you say about the product with all these high school kids out there running around he's like what like Garnett Kobe LeBron like on and on and on And basically Stern just totally owned him by naming 10 guys that were the best players in the league. So, Ryan, how young is too young for you? 15's young.
So you're saying 16 is okay? Yeah. Well, big guys, 15 maybe.
But outside perimeter players, yeah. So you're into 16-year-olds.
What are you doing? Well, you know, a lot of times you're going to worry about the international rights, which is always a problem. Or child trafficking, yeah.
True, yeah. That could be an issue.
But then you'll ask, like, I heard the new Taken was going to be taken for point guards.

Okay.

Yes, yes, yes.

Wouldn't there be a difference between taking, like, an older guy who is, like, a four or five

as opposed to a younger guy who, like, plays a different position?

Like, is there any different expected rate of improvement by position that you play?

Are we back on the draft sort of yeah yeah

no i'm talking about i'm talking about basketball players uh look i just knowing how how teams like when janice was drafted okay when you watched janice from the international video that you had it was like okay he's pretty athletic and it's cool and all but it looks like he was beating the shit out of junior high kids yeah it was the weird the gym sucked I think there was one game I watched where there were no seats yeah like I can't believe this guy's gonna be in the draft and like I don't know what to do with him there's another kid named Pocoshevsky who like 7'1". I think he weighs like 115, which is definitely thin.
And he's playing in these games that are horrible. But with Giannis, when you'd ask Milwaukee, you'd be like, what did you see? And they go, ah, it was the 15th pick.
Like we could have taken somebody who was in college for a few years and known exactly what we were going to get. But we just figured, ah, you know what? We'll see what happens.
And it worked out. And I love the fact that the guys that took him, then it was John Hammond who was with Orlando now, is they weren't patting themselves on the back like they did a good job they scouted him they were like okay we're on this but they still were they didn't expect this and I can't imagine what they saw in some of the video because of the video that I had and granted they went to see him in person and that kind of stuff I'm okay with teams totally screwing it up for the high ceiling guy as opposed to taking something that you absolutely know because this league is so hard to add talent uh so you bring up Giannis let's go off the draft for a second are the Bucs just doing the thing that uh the Cavs did where they're trying to uh build for the future for Giannis being like hey we put a contender around you and then Giannis is still gonna leave in a year and a half and then they basically mortgage their entire future to try to get a guy to stay for no reason.
What the Bucs are doing is apparently what everybody's doing now. Like I said at the top, I thought the first round picks late were a little overrated.
But it's just exciting. It's exciting when it's your favorite team and it's draft night.
You're like, oh man, we got this guy at 24. Be like, what did he do? Oh, he transferred to Virginia Tech.
Oh, I love him. He's super athletic.
And then he then he's gone they don't even pick up his third year option but now I think because teams have kind of figured out those picks don't mean a ton now they're just handing them out and when you look at the Bucs and say wait in 2027 part of that Drew Holiday deal is a 2027 unprotected pick that to me is insane slash irresponsible I mean it's sports how many times have you thought you knew exactly who like the next team was going to be for the next five years and then all of a sudden you go, wait, what happened? Remember when they were the new thing? I mean, it happens in every single sport. But with basketball, to think here we are seven drafts from now, there's this pick that's completely unprotected.
That pick by itself could somehow end up being worth what Drew Holiday is. Except there's, what, two other picks that are unprotected and then two other swaps so they clearly went all in with yannis and i know i sound naive and i'm not because clearly keeping yannis is the most important thing but what would be wrong with yannis going hey i actually do want to stay so don't give five firsts for a guy that you have one year of control of? Right.
It feels like they're doing the desperation thing when you just sit down, and I've heard you talk about this before, and LeBron kind of did this to the Cavs, where he left them in limbo and left them being like, well, we don't really know what to plan for here because LeBron could leave, he could stay, he could leave. It's weird that no teams just sit down and like, hey, Giannis, are you leaving or are you staying? And if you're staying, what do you want us to do? We're going to trade five first to convince you, or we could just talk about it.
Now, LeBron would never talk to anybody about it ever. I mean, if you're management and you think LeBron's going to tell you anything, he is on his own and he will gladly let you trade for a million contracts and then he will bounce.
And you know what? It has worked out for LeBron, so I'm not even knocking him for it. But this league has become the opposite of any kind of collaboration whatsoever.
And so you have a ton of GMs, especially now with so few sellers. You have a lot of GMs overpaying because of the seller-buyer ratio and the fact that so many guys are operating in fear.
I was surprised that people knocked Phoenix for giving up as much as they did. And I'm like, well, first of all, they got off of Rubio's money.
They get Chris Paul. And if you're a stale franchise, it gets different for every franchise.
If you're a team like Phoenix where you're like, okay, we've got Booker and Aiton, and those guys might be really good. But the longer we go not making the playoffs, one of them might get pissed off, and maybe it'll be Booker, which I mentioned a couple weeks ago.
And then you're like, all right, well, do we really? Like, if we get Chris Paul, all of a sudden we matter in a way we haven't mattered in years. So let's just go ahead and do it.
So that one kind of makes more sense. But I really, for some of these organizations that have this gun to their head to overpay for all this stuff when all they had to do was, like, kind of be more on the same page with the guy's decision like a Giannis.
It just like if I were Giannis, I'd be like, wait, so what happens in three years? We don't have any picks to trade. And I resigned.
Yeah, you got rid of all the picks. And now we have less things like a trade deadline.
We can't move a first for somebody because we gave them away through 2027. I don't understand why people think this is like normal.
If the law, if the if the idea was to make these trades to keep Giannis long term,

it actually is counterintuitive.

Giannis should not stay now long term in Milwaukee.

He should be happy that they're trying to win right now,

but long term he should be like, no wait, we don't have any assets.

So it could have just been like almost from a PR standpoint,

the team shows that they're willing to make this big move.

Which they did with LeBron, right.

Knowing that Giannis might leave at the end of his contract, and then they're like, look, we did everything that we could to keep him around. We even tried to make our alternate jerseys look like the Miami Heat jersey so he would feel like he was playing in Florida.
We built a whole new stadium for Giannis. Yeah, we built it on the water.
So we tricked him and told him it was the Atlantic Ocean. So, yeah, I could see it being like a PR move.
But I had a question for you about James Wiseman, because I think you and I have the same take about James Wiseman, even though you know a lot more about basketball than I do, which is he looks awesome when he dunks. He looked just when he was playing in those three games, his dunks were like that.
That's a dude that could be dunking on people that are at least six inches taller than they are on that same court. And then, obviously, he could be in position to be picked by the Warriors.
But do you think that the Warriors are even going to take Wiseman, or do you think that he's going to be put on the move? I don't know that the trades, like Minnesota's pick was apparently available, Golden State's was apparently available, and I think a lot of us from the outside will always say, oh, why don't they just trade the pick, trade the pick? You're like, okay, for who and what? And who's available? Like Bradley Beal, you know, I don't know that number one in a bad draft gets it done for Bradley Beal. And then you have to worry about is Bradley Beal because that's the other part.
We could sit here and name guys. It's like, okay, but if you trade for somebody who then is immediately going to go, I don't want to be here, then you're just inheriting somebody else's problem.
But Wiseman, the thing I like about him is, yes, the size and all that stuff. He catches everything.
So at his worst, if he's this big guy that can stay on the floor at the end of games, which is what you need now, especially out West, and if you were Golden State, I would think it would almost make sense roster-wise, but it's still asking a lot of a kid who played three games at Memphis to be closing playoff games in the Western Conference. But the league got small, and then it got big again.
I mean, you have to figure out a way to deal with Anthony Davis and that size and LeBron, who basically is bigger than every other wing, like it's a real problem. And it was basically hopeless, I thought, for the Miami Heat with the way they were built, even with those injuries.
I didn't really think they had enough on that front line. But Wiseman also has another level that I don't know if he's going to get to, but he'll show it with his handle.
He'll show a really soft touch where he almost has some of these offensive small forward skills that you start to get really really excited about the downside of it is there'll be moments where you can see it's not natural like he'll have the ball and then he'll think through all the different things he could potentially do it's almost like a slow download speed and you're like all right so I've caught myself probably too many times like Stromal Swift is my all-timer. I was like, this guy's going to be nasty.

And then you're like, well, the dunks are nasty, but he's not great at the basketball part of this.

And it doesn't really work out.

Tyrus Thomas, big cat knows.

Jumps through the fucking roof.

And then he could bring the ball up at LSU.

He started showing all these perimeter skills.

You go, oh my God.

And people loved him.

He was a late riser.

And it was just like, look, he's got perimeter skills. And he's this insane insane he's like a tier one nba athlete as soon as he's in the league but i try to catch myself and go okay but how good is he at basketball like is he good at the basketball part like patrick williams of florida state he looks incredible until you watch him dribble or shoot which are big deals so maybe somebody figures it out and that's out.
And that's why this still is so hard. So like any of these guys at the top, if we were sitting here in five years going, hey, Wiseman's the 10th guy on a team and he never figured it out, I'm not going to be shocked by that either.
And that's why the top of this is different. Where Zion comes in, the only thing that was ever going to hold Zion back is his own conditioning and health because if Zion's healthy, he's going to dominate in this league.
We just, it was so much more obvious, a guy like that compared to anyone here at the top. Yeah.
See, Wiseman should just get fat. He should intentionally get fat.
I've been arguing for a while. Like we need a dude with a big, like Shaq esque body to just eat up space and back people down.
Cause you don't have to be as good at basketball if you're seven foot one and 300 pounds so far do you miss post play is that what you're saying I miss post play I miss the 90s days uh back when you know you had you had guys like Hakeem Olajuwon that knew how to do a sky hook and knew how to use a pivot foot nowadays it's just all three pointers and dunks not for me sad you're a terrific i'm a terrific post player uh terrific i'll i'll put that up against anybody but then yesterday i was telling big cat some guys were like hitting on me at the at hoops trying to ask me to play with them it was weird because you were backing them down too hard you're sending the wrong signal no no they just saw me they saw me shooting around a little bit and you know i was trying to be covid safe so i didn't really want to play pickup with anybody anyway. But I just wanted to get some shots up, get a little sweat in.
And I think they were high as fuck because they reeked. I think one guy was playing in sandals, but he was really nice.
But then they were asking me how much I weighed, and they had a bet on it, which I thought was kind of cool and complimentary. So I was like, I don't know what to tell you.
So I told them I weighed wait and they got excited. And then it just immediately went into, hey, do you guys want to join? Do you want to join my buddies and I on a text thread and we can pick? And I was like, no, I actually don't want to give you my cell phone number.
But I'll just be around. You basically just met the West Coast Billy Football because that's something Billy Football would absolutely say like, yo, dude, how much you weigh? Like, I'm looking at you right now.

You're looking pretty solid.

I don't know.

What's up with Billy Football's arms?

I thought he used to have big arms.

That's a good question, Ryan.

So he joined the team.

Great question.

He doesn't have headphones on right now.

He joined the Jenga team, and then he cut his sleeves off,

and then he chose the only guy in the office that has bigger arms.

So now he looks like he's got little earthworms hanging from his shoulders.

Billy hasn't done curls in days. It's bad.
He's up with your arms Billy tell him we're still I'll bench you 100% how much you mentioned nowadays uh you know I don't once you get out of high school you don't max a ton I know I'm out of college I still don't max some like no I can bench more than me you probably can man I don't know what do you what do you what do you max well right now I'm out of college. I still don't max.
I'm like, no, I can bench more than you. You probably can, man.
I don't know. What do you max? Well, right now I'm probably hovering around like 285.
Max? It's not a lot to brag about. Fucking put the microphone down.
How was you benching? I put up 315 three times a day fucking around. Get back to me in a couple years.
You're probably a short-arm guy. That's man strength.
I'm not a short-arm guy. I don't know if you caught this.
You must have missed the part, but my post thing. Like 6'6", it's stupid.
It's fucking silly. The funny thing is I'm sure that Ryan actually knows exactly what his wingspan is.
Yes. No, 6'6".
He's got a new fighter chart on his wall. That's in the draft notes.
Ryan Russillo, 6'6", wingspan. It's stupid.
Silly strong. I can't believe you're at 285.
No, I squatted. That's embarrassing.
Oh, we're doing squat numbers now? Yeah, my squat was my best lift. Go ahead.
Say your squat numbers. Squatted over 440.
That's great, man. Talk to me when you're 45.
Okay. Dude, 285? I didn't know what type of bench guy he was.
No, but 285. Like, don't go around.
That's what it is now. But Billy, Billy, Billy.
You were so confident. I assumed you were going to say like 365 or something like that.
I don't have at least three plates on, then you can't come at somebody. Billy, when you go out in in public, you represent us and you're telling people that you benched 285? That's embarrassing, dude.
Well, now, I mean, I'm not like, I dropped, like, you guys made fun of me for being fat, so I don't, like, my body weight's lower. So when I was, like, 240, like, I was benching way more, but then everyone was like, oh, belly football.
So, like, oh, fuck, I gotta drop weight now. I'll be honest with you.
I don't care how fat you are. If you can throw up three plates, then I'm fine with that.
I've been in the past. I'm disappointed with that.
And Ryan just being like, I was fucking around this morning and threw up 315. Like, he wasn't even benching seriously.
Dude, he was warming up. He was just having a laugh.
Anyway, love to live with you. Billy, by the way, don't let them.
It's clearly they're getting in your head. Don't worry about the big thing at all, man.
Big as in. Yeah, well, yeah, but this is a different work dynamic.
I think we can all agree on that. And by the way, when Big Cat says you represent us, Van Pelt said that to me one night and scolded the shit out of me, and it sucked to hear, but it also wasn't a lie.
Yeah. And then later on I was like, hey – but later on you become your own person.
You go, I don't want to hear that. Well, what did you do to have him say that? He benched 275.
Fuck. 285.
I told somebody to fuck off. Well, I haven't done it in a long time.
I could maybe hit 300. Yeah, I know.
The excuses are coming. Wait, Ryan, what did you say? You told somebody to fuck off? I told somebody to fuck off one night, and he didn't really love it.
So whatever. It was a long story.
But you know what? He was fair. It was fair.
It was stern, but it was fair. But yeah, Billy, seriously, man, you do have long arms.
Your arms from this angle look better. I'm trying to build you up a little bit.
Oh, thank you. Thank you.
If you can't put up 315 right now, you shouldn't start stepping to other guys about Max Bench. I know.
I know. You already knew this.
You already knew knew this yeah i know you're suspended from cardio billy billy's and i love you guy ryan i i don't know you i like billy you probably had those guys in uh in at espn so dion once told us it was a very apt thing like about the locker room dynamic he's like there's at least two guys in every locker room that's an i love you guy where you have to check in with him and be like, hey, man, I love you. Like, straight up, I love you.
Just so that they don't go crazy, that's Billy. No, no, I'm not an I love you guy by any means.
Sounds like you're being kind of an I love you. Tom Brady literally is making love to Antonio Brown to keep him playing football, keeping him living in his house.
He's the ultimate I love you guy. guy you too this is awesome because every time it sounds like big cat's gonna compliment billy it's no it's not no i mean that's the whole and then every now and then i might be a podcasting i love you guy now i think about yeah you are i love you dude no billy no for real podcaster world i mean yo hank cut this part cut this part i love you dude i i don't believe that yeah i love you for real anyway i do like billy though i do we had a big influence on me when i was 18 and we came to espn he doesn't want to hear that though billy because now he's like no it's a compliment i was like that's like the kid that i looked up to and only benched 285 what was the big influence well i just like we went to his show and it was like really like big for me.
I was like, it was like, I was, it was so cool to see like what was going on. It was like a big moment in my life.
Okay, but you're leaving out, you're leaving out a very important part. You didn't know who I was at all.
Look, I'm not, I was eight. Like, you know, I don't listen to the radio.
I was 18. But now I'm like, I got into that world.
I was like, wow. Like, you know, like podcasting is a gateway drug to radio.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's exactly what it is. What is it, Best in Show? It's like Sting.
Or no, Zoolander Sting is one of my heroes. I don't really listen to him.
I was like, wow, this guy's really cool. I want to be like this guy.
When did you break 315? When did you really start? When did your bench really start? Hey, I'm going to – All right. Look, understand I was absolutely – How old were you when your bench was? I'm going to tell you the story right now.
Perfect. Keep this in.
I can't believe we ended up on this, but whatever. It's pretty predictable.
I was skinny, skinny, skinny. Okay? And that's why I always think ridiculous that like, if you call somebody fat, that's like, Hey, you shouldn't do that to fat people.
It's like, well, where were the skinny rights? Where are the skinny people rights? Like no one ever thought about skinny people. And I got, I mean, I ended up having to go to like a specialist at some point.
I was so skinny. And that's also another thing that's happened where there's still guys in college and college.
I started to fill out a little bit like one bit like 185 190 towards the end but my friends get so mad when everybody thinks i'm like this epic tough guy now because i'm big and i don't smile which is probably just all because i don't have hair and it's all sort of some way to compensate it's some connection but like a one guy in an email thread got super mad when somebody was talking about how tough i was he's like i'm I'm so fucking sick of hearing about this. Like you were nothing in college.

I'm like,

I'm not saying it.

I'm admitting it.

Like,

you know,

none of us,

we went to Vermont.

No one ever kicked any of our asses.

It didn't matter because there was no one there.

So the point is,

is that I got sick of that to the point where I was like,

all right,

this is it.

And I,

I,

I filled out at like 26.

And then for whatever reason,

there was one day and I'll never forget Boston sports club, water town i put on 225 which i can only do a few times and then i asked a guy for a spot and i did it 13 times and the guy thought i was messing with him because i was like hey can i get a spot he's like how many i was like we'll just see how it goes i'm like hopefully a few good ones and i just i don't know it was like some magic trick where it just all came together so for the people out there that don't have that strength right now you know sometimes everybody's late i was a super late bloomer and then whatever reason like right at 28 it was an all my man strength happened and then it was just you know off the charts now i'm hurt all the time but that's just because i don't want to lose anything. So it was just that one day or from that point on, you unlocked a new level of your body? It was so weird.
From that point on, it was never the same. It wasn't like the next time it was a fluke.
It's so weird. And I'll never forget, the guy looked at me like, what are you, fucking with me? You needed a spot? Because I was just like, no, no, don't touch it.
And I was like, oh, my God. You know, it was like the end of some 80s movie where you're just awesome all of a sudden.
So right now, Billy's too polite to be asking this question, but I can see the wheels turning in his head. Billy wants to ask you what type of steroids you took before you hit the gym that day.
He's not going to ask it. So I'll show us your nipples.
Where did nipples, Ryan. Show us your nipples.
Was there any correlation with the hair loss?

No.

You know what?

It started coming out in 01,

and it was the first time a buddy did like a –

there was a weird angle at a house party,

and he was like, you know, he's one of those guys,

his hair was thinning.

I was at that point the young guy in the group.

I was always the young guy in the group,

and then I magically became the old guy in the group, which happens, I guess. But he was like, Whoa, Whoa, Rosillo, Rosillo, hold on, hold on, hold on.
And I'm like, what? Like, what did I do? And it was right in front of everybody at the party. And like, he had me sit down at a bar stool, like by the kitchen Island and started examining it from up top.
It was like, dude, you're going to go bald. And I was just like, no, I'm not.
And I remember there was a hairdresser that I would go to. I was like, hey, sometimes I feel like it's fallen out.
Like, what's going on back there? She's like, you're good. She's like, you just have really thin hair.
It's not a big deal. And then the girl I was seeing at the time was already like kind of prospecting a bit, like a goldmine.
She's like, what do you think you would do if you did? Like, you probably get it fixed, right? You probably get plugs or something yeah definitely and then for whatever reason I didn't I tried to get Propecia from a doctor in Boston and it was like the best combo ever I was like hey my shoulders kind of messed up I'd like to start training differently and I also like Propecia he was like no and no and then I lost all my hair have you thought about becoming the wig guy yeah toupee. I would love to have a toupee.
I just can't believe there's never been a pro-wig phase. Ever, right? Right.
How come there hasn't been like, you know, hey, remember when wigs were in in the late 90s? How come that hasn't ever happened? You could change that, Ryan, because I think everybody's waiting for someone brave enough to be the first guy to do it. I want to do it.
I want to go bald so I can have a toupee and dare people to bring it up. No, seriously.
I want people to be like, yo, you got a toupee. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about, dude? This is all real.
Ryan, what if you showed up? Put it on backwards. Yeah.
I want to dare people to say, go ahead, say something, dude. Say something about my toupee.
I know you're looking at it. Have you ever called somebody out for a toupee? Because I'm bad at noticing them.
Yeah. No, but low-key.
Carl Ravitch. Yeah, Carl Ravitch, Bill Self.
Low-key, the bald guys nowadays, they give off low-key Johnny Sin's vibes, which is totally another vibe. So, like, Rusilla kind of has that vibe.
All right, Billy. That's enough for Billy.
We're done. We're done here, Billy.
I've never taken steroids, by the way, Billy. Billy, you don't have to take steroids.
I never did. Do you want to be on his podcast, by the way? Yeah, I like Billy.
Yeah, Billy's podcast is literally who's taking steroids. That's the name of the podcast.
And you just guess who's taking steroids. And it comes out every day.
He looks at the most recent shirtless pictures of guys, like athletes, that came out. He examines the nipples.
Billy's on to something, though. Because the next asshole that goes, goes how i got ripped during the pandemic and it's like on hollywood reporter and men's health and all this stuff and you're like you just did a fucking cycle yeah it's such a bad it's such a bad thing like oh which avenger got ripped in the last two weeks and you're just like you know what it's it's totally unfair to the rest of us that are all natural and it's just playing the guys like billy it's in his they're in it's in it's in his head constantly right he doesn't need to be looking at at at hawkeye's lats yeah he's standing he's standing up for you who's that guy recently who got ripped oh never mind ronnie coleman no never mind mike tyson yeah i sent mike i sent a picture of mike tyson to billy last night i was like check out.
Let me know what you see. And he's like, well, he did steroids back in the 90s.
Well, he's always talking about how steroids don't make boxers good. It's all scale.
He's like, yeah, no, steroids couldn't make you good. Yeah.
I'll tell you what. It makes you get in really good shape pretty quickly if you're about to fight.
Yes, yes, yes. All right.
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I have a question. Yeah.
RJ Hampton, our former player of the New Zealand break. Yes.
Are you guys no longer investors? No, we still do co-own the team with a lot of other people. Sean Marion, one of them, amongst others.
But RJ Hampton, he was going to be a lottery pick going into this year. I saw some mocks that had him between 10 and 20, anywhere in that span.
Where do you see him? Yeah, that's about right. I think 10 is probably the earliest he could go.
Maybe Tyrell Terry is somebody he's competing with because they're both guards that are probably completely different types of players. RJ is the best athlete in the draft.
Maybe some would say it's Anthony Edwards because Edwards is bigger and very athletic and all that kind of stuff. But RJ, I never would worry about him being out of shape.
His high school numbers are insane. He reclassified so he could go out earlier.
You know, I got to talk to him. He told us on the pod, he's like, you know what, I was going to go to Kansas, which I thought was pretty interesting because he caught a ton of heat from Duke fans.
I think Duke fans got more mad about it than anybody else. Where is, if we were doing a seeding of 64 types of people, would a one seed be adult who goes after recruits on Facebook when they turn down their school? Is that a one seed? That's a strong two seed.
I think for me the number one seed is always going to be adult male autograph seekers. That and then – so that's definitely – The guys that come with like the luggage and then sometimes they'll make kids run up to the players and try to get the autographs for them.
That's one seed in the East. I think one seed in the Midwest is dude who updates his team's record

in his Twitter bio or the Twitter handle.

Unironically.

That's almost.

Hey, I'm telling you, if you have a team's record in your handle,

or the more emojis, the worse the content.

It really is amazing.

You're like, oh, Aries, moon, fire, thumbs up. And be like, like okay you're on top of every piece of breaking news like you always have stuff to say about that have you guys ever had to deal with autograph seekers or is it only selfies we've done we've done one or two autographs almost all selfies which are not bad because like you know that the person just wants a picture with you right if it's an autograph seeker which you see at the super bowl sometimes and these guys are just like the slimiest weirdos i don't know what hole they crawl out of but they're just really strange guys that you absolutely know at some points did a bid for some weird shit and they're just like sitting there with their stack of merchandise sending their little minions out to run errands from like their oliver twist orphans it just creeps me out you know what that's a cousin of now that it's popping in my head? That's cousin of a dad who has his kid take a picture with the cheerleaders, which it's clearly for him to look at later.
You see that happen and you're like, whoa, dude. I'm sure they're one and the same.
Yeah, the Hooters waitress. Like, hey, get a, you know, Tommy, go ahead, take a quick picture real quick.
You know, like it's just a little eight year old with all theseleaders. Then he's going home and he's looking at that picture.
He hasn't figured out that Mr. Skin exists.
Yeah, no, that's a good one. I remember coming home sometimes when I was younger and I turned the TV on and be like, why is Club MTV on? Brooke, what's her name? Brooke whatever with E.
Wild on. Wild on.
Terry. Yeah, but also Brooke something.
Fuck. Brooke Burke.
Brooke Burke. Yeah.
What about. Yeah, legend.
What about guys that retweet porn onto the timeline? They're like, see, see like a 10 second clip of porn. They're like, I got to share this.
Or dudes who buy on their favorite porn stars, Amazon wishlist. That's also.
You'll never believe what I saw with some boobs. I need to.
The porn catfishing right now on both Instagram and Twitter are out of control. They pick up around the holiday season.
And as somebody who's been by himself for quite a while, I've had moments where I was like, all right, if I get catfished right now, like, all right. And then I got one on Christmas from a Russian bot.
And I was like, on Christmas, on Christmas, you had to do this. But what I love when you'll see like, okay, who did followed by like okay this is like seven different people here and all the pictures are posted in the last 30 minutes and then I'll see like they follow you and PFT and then like Craig Kilborn will be followed or something like that and then you'll see one of the dudes follow back and I'm like up horny alert yeah alert.
There are a handful of guys that we work with here in the office that no matter what, if there is an attractor. You can just say Glenny Balls.
If there's a girl that tweets at you and you go to her profile, they're always followed by one of like two people. No, there's a hot chick.
No, it's liked. Yeah, the Instagram hot chick, it's always Glenny Ball's like this picture.
Yeah. Which I think.
They'll admit to it. I actually think that it's less of a horny place where he just likes it.
He's just like, cool. I don't have a problem with that.
I think there's times when you're like, this seems a tad sketchy that this guy that's a very important decision maker is following every weather girl in New Mexico. He's a gambler.
He needs to know what it's going to look like on Saturday. I'm in talent.
I'm in talent evaluation. It is the best part about our job where everything is out in the open.
You can't really like ESPN if you caught, I don't know, if you caught SVP following a porn star, people are like, holy shit. I follow porn stars.
People try to get me every now and then. I'm like, yeah, dude, I follow them.
Like dude i follow them like yeah yeah you guys have there's no no one can come in you guys with any of that stuff yeah you just like like oh i'm a guy busted yeah it is on brand it's kind of liberating to have well a combination of like expectations be so very low but also just like all our dirt's in the open like you can't yeah you can't follow puma sweet what do do? I used to like her five years ago. Whatever.
I still do. Puma Swede.
Yeah, that was good, Ryan. That was good.
You worked on that. I'm not familiar.
All right, wait. Ryan, my biggest question I have for you, is there any stop in Obi Toppin? The only stop in Obi Toppin is himself probably, right? God, you fucked that up.
Father time. Ain't no stopping Obi Toppin.
How much do you put into a team needing to, the blogger who covers them needing to sell T-shirts? How much do you put that into draft stock? Because I really just want Obi Toppin on the bulls so i can sell ain't no stopping ob topping shirts you could probably still sell them you could go rj hampton's dad which i believe the story goes that whenever there was a chance he was going to sign with a team his dad would show up with rj hampton on a t-shirt with that team's name on it and then sell them so he's selling like duke and memphis and kansas and that makes me that to me is not a red flag that's a smart all right like this is he's gonna have some of that dna and pick everything out ob beat on college kids and yes he's a little bit older but the way he would post and destroy people and the transition dunks like when you watch him in snippets it's unbelievable but he But he's somebody who I worry about a little bit of like, all right, how much of this transfers over to the NBA? And defensively, when you start to hear, oh, he was bored and he was just getting ready for the pros and all that kind of stuff, you're like, well, I would have liked to see him be less bored in some of these games. So he's all over the place.
And that's kind of the story of the top of the draft.

If you had me, I could do first takes solo for a week.

Not a week.

A week would be a long time.

Where I could be sitting in a different suit on either side,

like trashing a guy or totally building a guy up.

And that's just how wild the top of this is.

That actually sounds like a great show that I would watch.

So then give us your top five.

Give us your top five. us your top five like just straight list them all right well let me pull up my files here now you're a gm ryan this is different from a mock draft yes correct no i know no no no so you can't ever be fact checked on this because this is just your big board your best it's not like oh the t wolves areWolves are going to do this.
It's literally if you had one through five, how would you rank them? By the way, when we put this clip out, have it on the screen. Ryan was still as mock draft.
T-Wolves take James Wiseman. BPA.
How does that make sense? Best player available, Ryan. I should just do something different.
All right. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to give you my top four, and then my fifth one is going to be no one else's top five, and I'm just going to say them because I like them that much, and I kind of can't understand why not.
All right? All right, so it's Wiseman. It's Edwards.
It's Halliburton. And I'm going to put Lamello in there just because of the ceiling and the chance that this could actually work out.
I think Okongu should be mentioned with this group. I do like Denny.
I love Kyra Lewis from Alabama. Okay, so he's number five.
I'm going to put him five just to be, so we, you know, in a few years, if I kill it with this, he'd be like, oh my gosh, I can't believe Rosillo called that. And if more often than not, it'll get forgotten whether or not it works.
No, I mean, let's be honest. This interview, the biggest takeaway is that Billy benches two 85.
That's what everyone's going to remember. Right now.

That's what we're talking about, Billy. Benches over 300 before, right now.

But you set the term limit as being right now

when you asked Ryan how much he benches right now.

You could give us all your hot takes,

and there's only one thing that's leading this interview.

I benched 285 one time.

I know, and I was trying to avoid it,

and then it's like, no.

It's embarrassing, Billy.

It's embarrassing billy by 26 i'll probably be benching like 500 according to ryan uh-huh well ryan also likes 28 as we've discussed earlier all right so wait so james wiseman all right uh and then i also in current nba are you like if is j Harden really going to go to the Nets? Is that the most hated team on paper of all time? I love Durant. I wish he didn't like Kyrie.
But even the people that like Durant were like, I hope it happens because he already, like, to me, he and Kyrie hit it off at some NBA weekends. And then we're like, let's go do this.
And I still can't wait. I almost don't want that to be disturbed to watch that also not work because Kyrie, it's so perfect.
The only people that stick up for him are the people that he hasn't played for. Right.
So it's like, who knows it better? The people that were in, and I don't care that he left Boston. I care that he handled it as unprofessionally as you could have.
And I'm not even talking about lying to an arena full of people before the season starts saying, hey, if you'll have me back. There's another way to do it besides, if you'll have me back, I'd love to stay here.
But towards the end, he was, like, Boston's actually done a really good job of not letting all the negative Kyrie stuff getting out because I think the Celtics franchise don't want to be seen as the guys that are just dumping on somebody being petty because then they don't want to make it be like, oh, that's how they treat their players after they leave. But if Harden were to go there, because there is so much anti-KD stuff because he went to the Warriors, even though I love him, that doesn't bother me as much.
I get it. The Kyrie stuff we've already been over.
And Harden, who think about this, everything Houston did was because of you. They ran a style that made you one of the most prolific players in the history of this game but I also think Houston's style is such it's almost like the best Instagram filter maybe Billy can help us with this but I don't know what it is is it gingham where when you go play in Houston system when it's hardened you're 25 better you just are like they spread I mean think about all the guys that are like, man, Austin Rivers is pretty good.
Look at Daniel House. Like this guy's sick.
Covington looks like a terrific player all of a sudden. I don't even know what Capella's gonna look like not being with a guy like Harden.
And so they go and get Chris Paul because Daryl Morey's trying anything he can. He's got this system.
It's working, at least from a regular season standpoint. They win 65 games two years ago.
He realizes he doesn't want to play with Paul. Paul didn't exactly really want to play with him.
They trade him for Westbrook. They give up all of these picks in the future to take on Russell Westbrook and his extra money, even though Paul's the better player.
And yes, he's older, but with shorter money. And they do that for him.
And just because they didn't let Harden chime in on the Silas hiring, which is hilarious too, because there's these reports that both Westbrook and Harden have been super respectful of Stephen Silas's hiring yeah except for the part where they won't talk to him and they both want out okay cool yeah other than that it's been awesome and so they do this Westbrook deal which is clearly not going to work and is a bad financial investment and now Harden is to the point where he's like, yeah, I want out, but I only want to go to one team. The only reason I want to have it happen is twofold.
I can't wait to see what it is in Brooklyn because it's still about acquiring talent, so everybody would probably do it, especially if you're giving up the pieces that Brooklyn would be reportedly giving up. But then I want to see Houston fans that have come at me for six six seven years I would say maybe five not eight but for a really long time arguing as I've said hey I don't like watching this I don't think it works it actually came very close so I give him credit for that but Harden is propped up probably by like 25 30 percent which is these absurd usage rates do you realize that Harden last year, of all the players in the NBA, of every offensive Houston possession, he had the ball in his hands for just over 50% of the time.
So every time Houston was on offense, the ball was physically in his hands for over 50% of the time. Now, you could say, well, that's great.
Look at all the production. Look at all the stuff that he put up.
But I'm not even saying, like, he's terrific. He's awesome.
He's healthy. He plays every game.
He gets to the rim. He's got this body that holds up.
He can make incredible shots. But it's very clear, at least to me, and I don't know why more people don't say this, that you almost have to shave off like 25% of it.
So to then see what he'll be like with two other guys, Kyrie who needs the ball, Durant who doesn't can do everything because we saw it in Golden State. I actually kind of want to see it happen now, even though I can't believe like Harden might get his way by saying I want out after I help create this thing.
I'm part of the shortcomings. Thanks for all the picks you moved.
Hey, good luck on having Westbrook at 47 million in a couple of years. I want to leave, but I only want to be traded to one team.
So I've also destroyed the fucking trade market. Right, so what about Mike D'Antoni? Because he's on that coaching staff out there.
Presumably, he would be on board with that, but he would also know firsthand all this stuff about James Harden and his fit in Houston. Why would it make sense for him to want, in theory, to bring Harden to Brooklyn? Because if there's one thing that's been constant about this league is that every time you have a chance to add a special player a top 10 player even the worst the most anti-Harden person you can't put this guy outside of like the top seven or eight I just when you start saying he's more productive than Jordan you're like okay relax um which is something Daryl Morey has argued in the past which I doubt he's going argue now, that he's not tweeting about the Rockets the whole time.
But why wouldn't he want to be with D'Antoni? D'Antoni hooked him up. D'Antoni let him do whatever he wanted.
So I don't see why that would be a problem. I'm saying from the other end.
D'Antoni doesn't matter. He's irrelevant.
He's irrelevant in this thing. He's an assistant coach, and you add the player and you worry about it later.
And there have been times where you go, oh man, this may not work work you add the player because it's so hard to get these players and then you go hey it didn't work after a year now we're going to go ahead and trade somebody else which is why i i'm wondering if kyrie is signing off on this because you would i mean look i can never forget trying to figure out kyrie but i could actually see him not loving it at all because now all of a sudden he's going to be off the ball a lot more. Yeah.
If it happens. It's the most...
The Rockets and then Harden demanding a trade to the Nets would be the most this league. Like everyone freaking out.
And then I saw Harden did the... Did he do an Instagram story last night where he took off? No cap.
Yeah, no cap. Which is just this league.
Yeah, boom. Got him.
Some are saying it was just a sponsored post for Body Armor. Oh! He turned down $50 million for the Rockets to do a sponsored post for Body Armor.
He's gonna make it back. Smart guy.
Yeah, Mike Rapoli. Gets some equity in there.
Yeah. Well, what's the strip club situation like in Brooklyn? I don't think it's that great.
Not good. New York is a terrible strip club town.
Yeah, scores. Yeah, does Harden even know that?

Someone should tell them.

I don't hang out in Brooklyn very often.

I went to go visit Big Cat once, and we walked around to a couple different bars,

and none of them had TVs, and I'd never heard of any of the beers.

And I think one had drapes over the windows.

And I just went, is this what it's like in Brooklyn?

Yeah.

And you kind of couldn't tell who was bartending and who was there?

Yes.

I always tell people I have more televisions in my home than any bar in Brooklyn has.

It's true.

It's not a lie.

Yeah.

Do you remember that SNL skit where I think it's Will Ferrell and it's that play called

Red Ships of Spain?

No.

No?

This is probably too old for you guys.

They had this thing where it was like they did an ad for this musical and it was called Red Ships of Spain no no this is probably too old for you guys they had this thing where it was like they did an ad for this musical and it was called Red Ships of Spain and then it was stupid but it was still working and what killed it was they started doing reviews they were reading out the reviews they're like the New Yorker says I just went up on stage and walked around and nobody even cared that's what it feels like in some of those spots you took me to in brooklyn where you're like am i am i actually on for the next hour or what's yeah what's going on here yeah um all right last question for me uh the final question is brought to you by cross-country mortgage america's crazy good mortgage company go to ccmlens.com slash take to learn more about your future home, buying experience, or refinancing needs equal housing opportunity.

Craziest thing that you see happening or you're hearing.

So this is actually based on fact, not just like who I like, but like who's going to be the big mover?

Give me something.

Give me some juice.

Give us some juice that people can then go pawn it off and pretend it's their inside source.

I've gotten burned so many times on this because I'll just casually be like, yeah, this is kind of something you're hearing. We should just do one that's horrible and see if it happens.
Okay. Do it.
I'm hearing the Celtics are going to sign Larry Bird with their mid-level. Okay.
Could happen. He's a little old.
Corner threes, winning attitude, understands the franchise, understands the culture. Okay.
That one works. Who are the Bulls going to take for real? They're going to take the Florida State.
I've heard that's where Patrick Williams starts. Yeah.
Part of me really wants to watch Zach Levine and LaMelo Ball play together. Ooh.
Now that would be interesting. And I would be cool withi top and just so i could say it are you are you a kobe white guy or is it just based on hope because already it's funny how the league kind of talks about him as if it's accepted like he's not really pointing he's really more of a backup which is not what you want to hear yeah i'm i'm a the whole bulls roster sucks guy i'm pretty much like get rid of everyone except Wendell Carter I'm out on him I still hold out so much hope for Wendell It's probably pathetic Yeah keep him and then get rid of everyone else I've got a dumb take You tell me why this is dumb I was watching some film today of Hal Burton He looks like he stinks at shooting But they all go in What's up with that That's exactly what I say to everybody.
It looks terrible. He doesn't get off the ground.
It's the shot put off the front of the shoulder and it goes in. It's 41%.
Halliburton's a really, really nice player. The problem is, is back to that original rule is if you're up high in the draft, you go, man, we could probably plug this guy in and play right away.
And he makes a ton of sense. Like, look at Golden State.
Golden State, Halliburton would probably fit in better with him tomorrow than any other player in this draft. But if they decided to say, ah, we're just going with Anthony Edwards because he projects to be, you know, what he is with that size and all this, then we can fix his shooting, and he's going to have a million open shots.
Like, that's why I don't get on the GMs. There's some things that all of us would be critical of, but those are the times where I okay yeah like i'm in a side with you even if you get it wrong i completely understand the rationale uh the rationale of deciding to take a guy like that over halliburton who fits in with them because halliburton can play with the ball and off the ball probably better than any of these other guards it's also nice for their job security as a general manager not that in golden state that would be an issue but just like taking a guy that is right off the bat, you know he's a development guy, so you can't really be judged on that draft pick for another three years, and then you've got three years to maybe luck out on another pick.
So it keeps you around for a while. Yeah, you just hope that he drops like 30 one time in the middle of February, and everyone will be like, see? He's improving.
That's why, that's one of the many reasons why so many people hated Henke in Philadelphia because you would talk to a guy and be like, all right, so let me get this straight. Like I'm going to lose my job if I don't make the playoffs this year because I've had injuries for a couple of years.
And this motherfucker's going, hey, in year six, we'll figure it out. Yeah.
So, I mean, there was not, there was not a lot of coworkers on that one going, yeah, I really respect this whole thing. Like, you know, there's tanking and then there's having, I think they had six different Hoyas on that bad Hoyas team on the roster at one point.
That's always the only time I'll allow the would Kentucky beat dot, dot, dot. That Sixers team that I think won 10 games and had eight or nine guys play that never played in the league ever again might be the only time when Kentucky was loaded with lottery picks picks that it's even it's even worth having a conversation about Sam Hickey special special person all right uh Ryan thank you we know you're busy everyone go listen to Ryan Russillo podcast you probably already do and uh we got to get you and Billy to lift together at some point soon absolutely I uh I'm I'm not down on Billy I've never been more up there we go I think Billy just needs to, maybe he just has to see somebody else be able to lift more than him.
And then he'll realize, maybe I can do it too. Yeah, exactly.
Maybe today's the first day of the rest of your life, Billy. There it is.
Today's the first day of the rest of your life. I would love if you were my mentor, Ryan.
Thank you so much. All right.
Thanks, Ryan. Thank you, Ryan.
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Henry. Hi, boys.
First time, long time. Sup to PFT.
Special shout out to everyone's favorite good boy, Leroy. I guess my question is, all my friends have significant others and I'm single.
Yet somehow I've ended up becoming friends with all my friends' significant others. This often ends with me in the middle of fights, mediating bullshit and pacifying everyone around me it seems like everyone's always fighting and

they want me to solve it but i'm the single one and i don't know why how did i end up becoming everyone's best friend yeah that's a bad spot to be tough maybe maybe you're the one starting all the fights because subconsciously you want to break everybody else up yeah you're also like you definitely just hook up with one of your friend's significant others and it'll never happen again. Yeah.
But just like there's, like, the girlfriend or boyfriend, you know, like a what? Hank didn't understand. I was saying that you got to go to Clam Town on one of your girlfriends.
Ah. Yeah.
There's definitely, you know, the guy who always has a girlfriend or the girl who always has a boyfriend. There's the opposite, and that's what you are.
And that's a dangerous spot to be in because you're just always like the third wheel on every single date. That's kind of an awkward spot.
It's also just never a good idea if you never have anybody to report back to about anything. You just get turned loose on the world.
Yes. Yes.
Everyone needs a little bit of an anchor from time to time. Yes.
Hello, PMT squad, but especially maybe Billy? I am a college freshman and my school is virtual this year. There's a really cute guy in one of my classes, so do you have any tips slash pickup lines that I can use to slide into his Zoom DMs? Thank you very much and love the show.
Best way is to just go Jeff tubing. Just get caught playing the...
Tube him. Yeah, just bean real quick on the Zoom meeting a lot of Zoomers will relate to this but Zoom classes suck because during class you're not looking at everyone's faces all the time but on Zoom class you're seeing everybody's face so you can't really get away with anything someone's always seeing it yeah can't pick your nose accidentally yeah can't actually jack off it's terrible that does suck billy like legit i haven't even thought about how much it must suck to have to take classes how are your classes going actually really well yeah i'm gonna notice when you were talking to you're like i'm out of college i'm about to be.
But you said that you're out. Are you still in college? I'm still in college.
Okay, good. I just want to make sure our boy graduates.
I feel like your grades might be a little too good, and that's why you're not able to bench anymore. You're turning into a nerd.
Maybe. What are we going to do for your graduation party? I don't know.
Let's do something sick. Yeah, let's do something really sick.
Maybe we all go to Vegas. Petting zoo.
Petting zoo in Vegas. You guys, fuck you guys.
If we get a petting zoo for Billy's birthday, even though I wanted a petting zoo on my birthday for the first four years we did the show. Yeah, no BFT.
I forgot about that. At the Super Bowl.
You only graduate once. Petting zoo in a convertible.
Let's just have a fucking petting zoo at our birthday. Yeah, I thought that'd be great.
Okay. We're 33.
It'd be sick. You kidding me? 26.
Hey, sup boys, especially Dad Cat. Every time I get on social media, it seems like another girl I know has accidentally gotten pregnant during COVID and quarantining.
My pregnancy anxiety is out of fucking control. The past five months, I've had five periods and I'm still absolutely paranoid about being pregnant.
I'm almost 26, so in theory, it wouldn't be a huge scandal, but also having a baby would ruin my life. How do I make pregnancy anxiety go away? Any tips for how to avoid pregnancy other than abstinence because congrats to me on having sex.
It's taking a lot of blowjobs. I was going to say you just get pregnant and you won't be anxious about whether you're going to get pregnant or not.
I would say you can't have butt babies. It doesn't exist.
Pregnancy anxiety? Pregno anxiety. So I'm kind of the same way, even though I'm 36 years old almost.
If I see somebody on Facebook that I went to high school with and they've been married to their boyfriend or girlfriend for the last eight years and they're pregnant. One of my first reactions is like, oh my God.

Was that an accident?

What are they going to do with it?

It's like, no, we've been trying to get pregnant for five years and finally did.

We spent $10,000 getting a mutual fertilization.

We got to bring in like a therapist to figure out how you have not aged in the last 10 years.

Yeah.

I mean, a lot of people pay a shitload of money for that type of surgery.

That's true.

You should start selling it on Instagram swipe ups. Be like, here is my anti-aging cream.
It's pretty sweet. All right, two more.
Hey, Big Cat, PFT, Hank, and Jake. I started dating my boyfriend last year when we were seniors in high school.
He was the star quarterback of the football team, which was really cool and got recruited to play in college. But he just told me his coach asked him to switch to wide receiver.
Being a wide receiver's girlfriend is much less appealing

than being a quarterback's girlfriend.

How long do I have to wait to dump him without it being obvious

it's not about him being a quarterback anymore?

Do it now. Do it now.

Because you know what?

You don't actually love him.

He said he's a wide receiver, but he's really just going to get in

on a couple of random special teams plays.

Yeah, like what else has he been hiding from you at that point?

You can't really trust him.

Or maybe just stay close to him,

and maybe he'll get drafted by the Patriots,

and then they'll use him on trick play occasionally.

All right, last one.

Sup, Hank, big daddy cat and taller than average dad

of the goodest boy Leroy.

My 21-year-old boyfriend won't stop talking about wanting to buy Crocs.

He thinks they look cool,

but I think they're the worst pairs of shoes to ever be made. Every time I talk badly about Crocs, he gets so pissed off and wants to buy them even more.
If he buys them, I will be so turned off. What are your guys' thoughts? Camo Crocs are sick.
Crocs might be making a comeback. No, we got sent Crocs.
I think it was Bird Dog sent us them over the summer, and I wore them for the entire summer. Really? Not around us.
They're really good if you have to, like... No, just on vacation.
I mean, i mean i wasn't really over here i was at the beach a lot this summer they're good if you got to like run outside real quick for something or if you're grilling and you just want to put something on to go from your kitchen to outside or if you're in a hurry or whatever to do something but um i took a picture one time in my crocs and i posted i think it was on instagram and so many people were like oh dude you're rocking them in sport mode. And I was like, wait, what's sport mode? And then you flip the heel thing, and then it goes from, what, casual to sport mode? That's why they're better than slides.
Yeah. So, like, when you have the back of it in, it's sport mode.
It's sport mode because you're containing your foot. It's like driving an Audi? Yes, exactly.
When you hit that on the open highway, and you're like, fuck the gas mileage. Dude, those buttons always, they're not real.

They don't do anything.

Although I was driving the Silverado around and I hit one of those random buttons and

it was like lowering trailer down.

I was like, whoops, that probably did do something.

On the Silverado, they actually worked.

Yeah.

Every other car does.

But like, have you ever been in a Saab and there's like all kinds of random buttons that

don't do shit?

I had a 1994 Volvo one time and it was like, do you want to enter into sport traction sport traction i was like fuck yes i do and i drove 35 miles an hour to school right so that's i like that i like though the crocs have a true sport they do yeah we gotta start rocking crocs sport mode it's great for two days um all right those would be the most normal pair of shoes that you own billy between your oh you shoes, but they're kind of... They're like Timberland-style Air Force Ones.
Why is Guys on Chicks just roast Billy every week? It's not. You're right.
It could be better. There was nothing about you.
Billy, everyone... All right, let's finish up with the numbers, but let's all go around and say something nice about Billy.
No. Billy.
Hank, go. Check out my spreadsheet.
It's going to win you money. Say something nice about Billy, Hank.
No, stop.

Can you think of anything?

He can't think of anything.

He's trying to think of something.

I've got one already, Hank.

I've got one, too.

Billy, you finally won a Monday Night Football game.

There we go.

Billy.

I think one of your parlay was a little hit this weekend.

It is.

Okay.

Because they're all supposed to win, and then it's supposed to add up.

I'm happier in the playoffs as of now in Stool's Dream. Billy, you're the baby brawn of part of my take.
Billy, you're smarter than you come across. Thank you.
69 is the number I want. Okay.
The only one that guesses the same number every time. No, that's not true.
I guess 8. Alright, I'm going going to go 11.
Such a cop out. One hundred.
Eighteen. Brother, you're a solid agenda.
Thank you. I just go with whatever number I see.
I like your glasses, Jake. Same.
Eight, eight, eight. Come on, 100.
Sixteen. You want to roll it again just for freebies? A freebie roll.
Freebie roll.

I don't want a freebie roll.

Freebie roll doesn't count.

I don't want to even hit on this.

Because it'll be thinking of something.

All right, let's see if our numbers count.

What was it?

16 what?

Second time.

September 22nd was when it was last picked.

Nope.

Not even the freebie round.

74.

Okay.

We're never going to get one.

The grandma of bingo.

It makes no sense.

What? Love you guys. Love you guys.
Huh? and 75 is the grandpa because of the last two numbers I learned it on a cruise what a fucking fact Billy give us a fun fact the grandma of bingo 74 and 75 a racing pigeon sold for 1.9 million million at auction to a Chinese anonymous bitter.

No, don't say the slur.

I forgot the word for anonymous bitter.