Drew Rosenhaus, Washington Football Team President Jason Wright And Thom Brennaman Does A Call

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On today's Pardon My Take, we have Drew Rosenhaus. Huge interview with the shark, Drew Rosenhaus.
We get to the bottom of what it's like to be an NFL agent. And then we also have- Super agent.
Super agent. And then we also have Jason Wright, president of the Washington football team.
Great interview with him as well. Probably, Jake Marsh pointed out, probably the two smartest guys we've ever had on the same show.
We had Marlins Man and Foul Ball guy. I was going to say Lenny Dykstra and Mr.
Portnoy. That also true.
So maybe the second.

We had Akon and Joe Montana last week.

Just Akon.

Martin Shkreli.

Martin Shkreli.

That's true.

Awesome, awesome two interviews, though.

Highly, highly recommend it.

We have NBA playoffs.

The Caps have been eliminated.

We have Fyre Fest of the week.

Wait, what?

Well, the Caps have been eliminated.

I guess the Blackhawks have been eliminated, too. Although I said that at the end of last show.
So sorry, sorrows. Um, sure.
Okay. I didn't say sure.
I'll address that. Sure.
All right. Awesome.
Billy will get wet. Yeah.
Tomorrow, Billy. Um, we'll see here.
I also like big cat, how you just recommended you highly recommended listening to part of my take on part of my take. I like that.
Well, the two interviews. Sometimes people are like, oh, I don't know who Jason Wright is.
Well, I highly recommend it. Drew Rosenhaus, oh, maybe you're a huge Antonio Brown fan.
No, I highly recommend it. Both.
There's definitely one super fan Antonio Brown fan listening to this right now, being like, Drew Rosenhaus, skip. It's probably Antonio Brown listening to it.
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Today is Friday, August 21st. From the bottom of my heart, I'm so very, very sorry.
I pride myself and think of myself as a man of faith as there's a drive into deep left field by Castellanos and it'll be a home run. So that will make it a 4-0 ball game.
Thom! God damn it! An all-time apology. It was definitely shades of the Chris Berman pun is blocked.
Pun is blocked. Back in 2013, right, with Ray Rice, that whole thing.
Hats off to him for being a real pros pro and continuing to do his job in the middle of his apologies. Why did he have to say it like that? Yeah, so if you're living under a rock, Thom, I like to call him Thom, I have hated him for a very long time,

but he had a hot mic situation where he used a homophobic slur

and probably was going to lose his job.

Before the game.

The craziest thing, it was a doubleheader,

so the craziest thing that happened was he's calling the game,

not realizing he's trending on Twitter, and his career is probably over,

and then around the fifth inning they said, hey, Thom, we're going to need you to do a quick apology here. Got into his heartfelt apology.
And then Castellanos hit a home run in the middle of the apology. And he did not break his tone whatsoever.
Just called. You know what? Play the clip.
Play the clip. I pride myself and think of myself as a man of faith.
As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos, it will be a home run. And so that'll make it a 4-0 ballgame.
I don't know if I'm going to be putting on this headset again. I don't know if it's going to be for the Reds.
I don't know if it's going to be for my bosses at Fox. I want to apologize for the people.
And that is Tom Brenneman. I actually was watching it live because I hate him.
He is one of those guys, you know, announcers, it's usually only in baseball that really despise your team. So whenever the Cubs are kicking the shit out of the Reds, I will watch the Reds broadcast just to listen to Tom bitch bitch and moan.
To listen in on his misery. To just salt the salt in his tone.
Anytime a big heartbreaking play happens, like the end of that Oklahoma State game a couple years ago, I like more than anything listening to when they put the opposing team's call on Twitter, like they do the highlight reel, and you have to listen to just kind of stunned silence for a while. It's the ultimate petty sports fan thing to do.
It's like I also do it with press conferences. Like when the Badgers beat the Gophers this year at the end of the season, I fucking logged on to Facebook to watch PJ Fleck give a press conference and name the Gophers co-Big Ten West champions.
But Thom, so yeah, all-time moment. unintentionally hilarious to call a home run while you're uh trying to give your deepest you know apology to the nation well it wasn't really an apology then it was more an apology to his bosses and being like i hope that this isn't this is just see you later it's not goodbye forever maybe if i maybe if i nail this call and i continue my professionalism throughout my apology, they'll bring me back.
Now, talking about the actual clip at the start when he dropped the hard F, he wound up. That was one of the hardest Fs.
Oh, yeah. That's a guy that uses the hard F multiple times a day.
He took like a deep breath. It was like a Johnny Cueto-like windup windup before the F came from his, his soul on the bottom of his ball sack.
Yeah. It was, it was a just hardcore F that he hit.
I think that in the aftermath, you hear a lot of people talking about how he uttered a slur. This wasn't an utterance.
And I always think that that's funny when people say like he uttered a slur. You apparently can only utter a slur.
No one ever says a slur or lets a slur slip. He did not utter this.
He screamed it with his chest. He said it.
I was thinking it was such a hard F. Maybe he's in the closet.
Maybe this is like a projection thing. Maybe he was doing research for an upcoming trip.
He wanted to find his next vacation spot, so he's asking Siri, what is the capital of the United States?

I mean, he's got...

Hey, his name's Tom Brenham, man.

Thom. Thom.

Fellas, is it gay to have the word man in your last name?

His name is Thom.

Make sure you pronounce that H.

Jake, do they teach you how to do apologies

if you ever utter a slur on the air?

Hot mic, though.

In broadcasting school.

Hot mic at all times.

Always a hot mic,

but I think in this situation,

I'm not laughing at you. I'm laughing at you.
Okay. I mean, hot mic or not, that's not something that should be said.
Yes, correct. You are taught always...
No, it wasn't the hot mic's fault. Right.
Right. It just happened that a hot mic was happening.
He should not have said that hot mic. We're not going to mic shame on this one.
Stephen A. Smith, you have to ask what the mic, the provocation of the mic.
What was the mic wearing? Did it have a windshield on it? Did it have protection? Did it have a pee pop filter? I got to think the mic shouldn't have been there. Yeah.
In front of his mouth.

The game wasn't even happening at the time.

What was the mic doing in the booth? He didn't know the mic was hot.

But regardless, if he's sitting in his living room,

he shouldn't be saying that.

Correct.

And we don't want to say that he should say it,

but the mic shouldn't have been there.

Right.

If the mic's not there, it's not a problem for Tom.

It seemed like the mic was just kind of looking for clout,

amplifying the slur.

Like, oh, maybe the mic can be the white mic. The mic's part of cancel culture.
It's the white mic. Clearly, yes.
All right, so that was Red's Thaum Brenneman. So to conclude, they don't teach you how to apologize in journalism.
No, let's hope I never have to. But if they did, would they tell you to maybe not call the home run? I don't know.
I feel like if anyone's going to employ him again, it's like, well, this guy is a pro. Yeah, that's true.
He might put that on his tape, like, yo, check it out. I'm cool under pressure.
On my way out. I did have to apologize once on a broadcast.
Oh, for what? It was actually Syracuse versus Central Michigan my senior year. Okay.
And I'm a big Florida Gator fan. Oh, no.
I was watching on my phone in the booth. Jake.
What what they threw a hail mary and they got it against tennessee a few years ago so i just screamed it was arguing in the press box i was in our booth so the press the other press didn't see me i screamed let's go hot mic on let's go because we usually do it's called around the nation we go scores around the nation and i'm like j, I need an Around the Nation check before we get back to more of the studios. What was the score of that Florida Gators-Tennessee Volunteers game? It's funny you asked, Evan.
So Florida was up by 10 with five minutes to go. Tennessee tied it back up.
It was 20-20. And the Gators rattle off a 66-yard, 63-yard touchdown for the win at the buzzer.
Unbelievable. Gators beat Volunteers.
Let's go. I'm sorry, folks.
That's great that your big fuck-up was just rooting for a team. They tried to beat that out of you at Medill.
And it was an incredible end to that game, too. But did you learn anything from that? Yeah.
That was what? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Against Tennessee. You guys remember it? I remember it.
In Florida for that game. It was awesome.
There you go. So, Jake, can we workshop this? Like, if you were Tom Brenneman, how would you have handled that apology? Can you call his apology? I mean, I don't know.
That's an unprecedented thing. Cassianos hit a home run, though.
So, he got called that. Yes.
That's a moonshot from Cassianos. You can cut up the clip of the actual home run and be like, not enough energy in this home run call.
Yeah, was something going on there, Thawne? All right, so that was... I'll try to find that clip, by the way, from senior year.
An unreal... Yeah, we would like that clip.
An unreal night on Wednesday night when that happens. So we have NBA playoffs.
Oh, actually, we should talk. Do you want to talk Caps first?

Yeah, I'm fine talking about the Caps because I think I gained a little perspective throughout the whole COVID crisis. And what the Caps have done by putting on a show for my enjoyment, for America's enjoyment, for Canada's enjoyment, really for the world's enjoyment, I think is better than winning a Stanley Cup.
I think that being in the bubble, staying safe, practicing good hygiene, not spreading the virus around.

Zero positive COVID tests for the Capitals are their opponents this postseason, which I think is a testimony of just what a great team this is. Same number of goals today.
Well, yeah, Hank, they have families they want to get back to, okay? And I think that what they showed today was... So they gave up on the people that they were playing for.
No, what the Caps did was they let them score four goals on him so that Tom Wilson wouldn't injure any more of their players. Yeah, safety.
Trying to keep everybody safe. All around.
Trying to limit the amount of ice minutes that the Islanders have to go through. Plus, I'm just very, very happy for Barry Trotz.
Like, this is a great win for Barry Trotz. Barry, really? He's a cap for life.
Should have kept him. Cap for life.
Our Stanley Cup winning coach. I'm glad that we were able to share

him with a less fortunate franchise

like the New York Islanders.

All in all, like 4X the amount

of Stanley Cups as the Capitals. Listen, we can

talk about banners that hang from the ceiling

all day long. I think the most important banner

this year is everyone's safe.

Everyone goes home to their family. If Barry Trotz

wins, do you get some part of that banner?

Oh, absolutely. I think that Barry Trotz, he's using

the information that he learned whilst coaching the Capitals and how to win. Plus, I mean, does it really count this year? No.
I said it. It's the easiest year to have your team lose.
There's no parade I could go to. There's no Stanley Cup celebration.
I'm not going to drink out of the cup again this year. Honestly, I'm glad.
I hope that a new team wins. For all the people that are hard at work making Ovechkin golfing photoshops, it's been a dry spell for them recently.
They haven't gotten to make that joke recently. They made it last year, too.
They made it last year, but that was a rookie game. That was an aberration.
All right, so we had that. The Blackhawks were eliminated as well.
It's, you know, Hank, you're left. Hockey, whatever.
Yeah. What's left of your team is, I think that you've got some really smart players who have accurately realized that being around your family in a time like this is more important than putting on a game.
The Blackhawks getting eliminated first is actually also great because when you get eliminated first, people just don't even remember. That's true.
It's like, what? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Okay. Yeah.
They got eliminated. And you were playing with House Money this year.
House Money. Youngest team.
Whatever. You didn't need that draft pick.
We had the NBA lottery tonight. The Chicago Bulls are going to get Obi Toppin.
Very excited. Who won the lottery? Oh, the Wolves.
Why are you so sure of that?

I actually don't think we are going to get Obi Toppin.

I think we're going to get the kid from Israel.

But I just know from a blogger, podcasting perspective,

when you can say ain't no stopping Obi Toppin, it pays for itself.

Yeah, I mean.

Those shirts pay for themselves.

Being able to say that after a big play pays for itself.

Like, he could suck.

But just being able to say that for a couple years, that's worth it. So ain't no stopping OB Toppin.
Put it in the draft. What about like a Mike Myers t-shirt, like an Austin Powers one? It says, oh, behave.
There we go. We could go anywhere with OB Toppin.
We also had an all-time moment during the lottery. So the Bulls went to four, and I went live on Periscope, and we're sitting in the gambling gambling cave and the Barstool intern was sitting there as well.

Shout out McDouges.

And he just casually, I was like,

hey, I think we're going to get Obi Toppin.

And he's like, oh, I had a class with him at Dayton.

We were dance partners in a class.

Like, really?

And he's like, yeah, we were dance partners.

And I said, oh, so do you have his phone number?

He's like, no, but my ex-girlfriend does.

Okay, McDouges, way to just do that to yourself. Ain't no stopping Obi-Topping.
Ain't no stopping Obi-Topping. Getting some sloppy Obi-Topping.
I think that if you're picturing what does McDougues look like, he's exactly what you picture him. His name's Kevin McDougal.
If a Barstool intern was grown in a Petri dish, that's McDougues. Call me Dougues.
Other bonus lottery news. We are on a crash course for the Ball family to move to Oakland.
We are looking at potentially LeVar Ball dealing with the Golden State Warriors dynasty, which I mean, if you're a fan of chaos, you should be rooting for that scenario. The Warriors are going to figure out a way to trade the number two pick and Andrew Wiggins for, I don't know, Anthony Davis.
Something ridiculous where I'll be like, what the fuck? How'd this happen? Kiannis. Yeah, that would be actually great if Wiggins then went back to LeBron after he basically was like, no, I don't want this.
Wait, was that how it went? Yeah. no you'll have to specify yes so many times when he went back to Cleveland and he made them trade Wiggins for Kevin Love yes um all right before we get to NBA playoffs let's talk a little football football is coming back and that means Sundays are back why only watch one Sunday out of market game when you watch all of them catch it all with with NFLSundayTicket.tv.
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The Lakers are back. Laker Dan is back.
They just curb stomped the fucking Blazers. I can't believe that everyone decided the Blazers were going to win this series after one game.
Blazers in five. I decided the Blazers were going to win this series after zero games, so I was a little bit ahead of the curve on that one.
But it was a classic LeBron James game one to game two switch up where for some reason, I have zero stats to back this up, by the way, I feel like LeBron James likes to have people doubt him in the playoffs, so he's liable to go out there and lay an egg just to get more fuel on, just to give Skip Bayless a little bit of water in his dish. Be like, here you go, come up with some takes for me so that I can come out game two and smash everybody.
It was a no-brainer, it was a no-doubter that the Lakers were going to come out tonight and win by at least ten. It wasn't even LeBron, though.
LeBron only had ten points. It was Anthonyony davis being like oh yeah i'm seven feet and way better than everyone on the court and then just dunking on people and grabbing rebounds over everyone so it's nice to see ad doing that although he did it with the pelicans but uh so that i think what we're gonna actually have with these nba bubble playoffs because it's been very confusing watching these teams like the lakers lose game one the Bucs lose game one I just think we're gonna have some fucking great series because you saw the Mavs beat the Clippers um and all this adds up to I've had a thought bubble in my head that I just think the Rockets are gonna win the title just so that we can all discount Daryl Morey and James Harden and be like, that's not real.
It would be the perfect asterisk team, right? It really would. The Houston asterisk, absolutely.
I think that there's a pretty good chance that it's a good shooting gym. Like we talked about earlier, there's no fans behind to distract.
It's a close backdrop. So, yeah, I could see no strip clubs inside the bubble.
That's a bonus for Harden. They test them for weird fake illnesses all the time.
Harden again skates by on that one. So, yeah, I mean, I think that the Rockets have as good a chance as anybody out of the West.
And then out of the East, I still like Hank Celtics. The Heat looked good, man.
My Heat looked good. The Bucs looked pretty good, but I still, I'm not in.
I think that, you know what? I think the Bucs are frauds. How stupid our brains are is that...
I think they're counterfeits. We discount the Bucs just because Hank said the Bucs stink, and then they lost game one.
And we're like, whew. It adds up.
I think the Bucs might still stink. Just because...
I don't know about that. Dante had a good game tonight.
Aaron Gordon wasn't playing. You're our first name basis.
Yeah, Dante. Say his last name.
DiVincenzo. There we go.
The deli sub. He's the Italian sub.
Let it go. Let it go.
But yeah, they've been great. The fact that we get wall-to-wall basketball every day is, like, this is going to be a harsh come down when we get to the next round and they start doing just night games, you're like, wait, where's my

basketball game at 1 o'clock?

Yeah, it's a big fuck you to the West Coast

and a big giant wet sloppy kiss

to the East Coast media elites like us.

It's fucking awesome to watch these games.

I like it a lot. One note that I had was

did you see what Russell Westbrook was wearing?

Yes. So he's, Russell Westbrook

is copying my band shirts idea

just a year later. Again, I'm ahead on that like I was ahead on the Levi's tag and on the NASA tags.
But I was wondering how many bags of clothes do you think that Russ had to bring with him to the bubble? A lot. He probably gets them shipped.
Did you hear the anecdote that CJ McCollum had 85 bottles of wine in his hotel room? Yeah. 85 bottles of wine.
Well, because he's selling them. Yeah, but he also- Him and Jay Butt are turning this into a lucrative little side hustle here.
But they were just talking about moving hotels. They're like, yeah, they had to move all these bottles of wine.
We also had a great moment on the broadcast tonight where Jeff Van Gundy, as kindly as he could, just essentially called Mark Jackson a fucking idiot. What happened? Mark Jackson, there was one clip of Carmelo guarding LeBron full court, and Mark Jackson was like, see, people say Melo can't play defense.
Look at this defense. And Jeff Van Gunney was like, I got to say, I agree with the people.
Melo can't play defense. And Mark Jackson just was like, what? You know what, though? Melo did have that one block at the end of the game, much like he hits his one threes at the end of the game.
Melo knows when people are tuning in. I'm pretty sure that he has like a little Nielsen guidebook on the sidelines, and he knows when the eyeballs are on him, when he can make his one play.
Mark Jackson also said about, I think it was Westbrook tonight, because Westbrook wasn't playing. He was talking to the officials.
He was, like, arguing for a foul call. And then Mark Jackson was like, see, this is what a teammate does, is he communicates with the referees even when he's not playing.
And Jeff Van Gundy, again, was just like, okay, Mark. Yeah.
Yeah, like it's pretty normal for a player who's sitting on the bench to be talking to an official. I'd say them spending all day and night together.
Jeff Van Gundy's had many moments where he's like, wow, you say some dumb shit. Jeff Van Gundy's probably the one that's trying to get him a job with the Bulls and the Pelicans.
He's going to leak a lot of stuff, Mark Jackson, to the Pels. Oh, God, if the Bulls hire him, I'm going to.
No, they won't. They won't.
They won't. What if the Bulls get Lamello? What? What if the Bulls get Lamello? Oh, LaMelo.
I mean, I feel like that'd be great for Big Cat to have LeVar Ball in his universe. But ain't no stopping Obi Toppin, dude.
Just say it. Ain't no stopping Obi Toppin.
Like, when he goes off, when he... I loved watching him at Dayton.
Dayton was a wagon this year. Every time he had a good game, ain't no stopping Obi Toppin had a lot of good games um all right is i think that's it for everything that's going on right now anything we missed we'll do billy's list and fire fest after the interviews but we got two awesome interviews coming up um so let's do it let's get to drew rosenhouse and then we will have jason wright right after him pft you got a quick ad.
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Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is super agent, Drew Rosenhaus.
Drew, thank you for joining us. Actually, I want to start there.
Are you okay with us calling you a super agent? Is that okay? You know, I've heard that term before. It's pretty funny.
But I prefer you guys can call me whatever you want. It's no big deal.
All right. I feel like you're a super agent.
I saw that your nickname was the Shark, but I also think that you gave yourself the nickname the Shark.

Can you confirm that?

I don't know how that nickname came about.

I did have a book that was entitled

A Shark Never Sleeped or Shark Never Sleeps.

So maybe that's how I got the nickname,

but it's not like I refer to myself as a shark or a super agent either.

I'm a pretty humble guy, believe it or not.

Actually, I was going to save this for later,

but I do have a bone to pick with you

because you once claimed that you wrestled a six-foot shark,

and I actually can't pull up the old tweets or the old pictures,

but I had a problem with it at the time.

I called bullshit on it at the time.

Do you remember this?

No, it's true.

I mean I you can go on YouTube and you can see the video uh it's um if you just type in Drew Rosenhouse wrestles a shark I don't know if you call it wrestling I grabbed it I grabbed the shark I grabbed his tail he tried to bite me I was in the keys we were fishing I did something silly I jumped't know if you call it wrestling. I grabbed the shark.
I grabbed his tail. He tried to bite me.
I was in the Keys. We were fishing.
I did something silly. I jumped in the water.
I grew up in Miami Beach, so I've been around sharks and fishing my whole life. It was kind of silly, but no, there's no bullshit on that one, guys.
I saw the video. I wrote it at the time.
I blogged at the time. I think it was probably like 2014.
I said the title actually should have read, Drew Rosenhaus touched the tail of a dying shark that was probably hooked on a fishing line for the past three hours until it had no strength left but keeps tweeting out that he wrestled a six-foot shark. Well, I can tell you it wasn't dying in the video.
You can see it swim away. Okay.
It was on the line for maybe five minutes. And I can also tell you that it definitely was a powerful, vibrant shark.
Okay. There's no exaggeration needed on that one.
The video itself maybe doesn't do it justice. There's more recent video.
I went the um with one of my clients juwan taylor and he caught a goliath grouper probably around 400 pounds and i got in the water with that bad boy and grabbed him and he wound up smacking me with his fin that's something you can find as well that uh espn had that on sports. So if you doubt my prowess of wrestling sharks and fish, I have that for my resume as well.
I'm going to do something I rarely do. I'm going to actually retroactively call myself a hater.
Okay, that probably was a blog that came from spite, hate, wherever it may have been. I don't know if I had a bad day, hadn't had my coffee, but I will retroactively rule that I was a hater in that case.
No problem, guys. I've got thick skin and I'm very forgiving.
I would hope so. If you're putting your limbs near a shark's mouth, then yeah, that's probably a good thing to have.
I want to start off the top talking about something that's in the news today. There were some reports that the NFL was talking about maybe doing a playoff bubble or multiple playoff bubbles.
And I didn't know if you had been a part of those conversations or what you had heard, but what would your reaction to that be? My reaction is I think it's a great idea because the bubbles work so well in both the NBA and the NHL and Major League Soccer. It's kind of a proven component here to beat COVID.
So I'm all for that. You know, you've got a limited window and a limited number of teams.
So I think it's doable. And there's so much at stake.
I love it. I think it would be effective.
Let's see where we're at in a couple months, but I'm all for that, guys. I got to say, I think the NFL has done an outstanding job up to this point in dealing with this.
I mean, you're talking about less than 1% of the guys have tested positive since training camp. They've done like 100,000 tests.
And it's just been a huge success. I think there might be 12 guys on the COVID list right now.
That's unbelievable. Yeah.
Out of 2,000 some odd players that are presently on NFL rosters, I'm excited with the way this is going. And when I talk to teams and my clients, everyone's confident that a season's going to take place.
Now, the season is, I think, going to take place as well, but there probably won't be a lot of fans. Is that something that you're projecting out that the salary cap might be adjusted and you're telling your guys like, hey, get ready

for this because it might be a little different in a year or two.

We might be feeling some repercussions from a year without fans.

Yeah, definitely concerned about that and how that's going to affect the salary cap.

You know, I think the NFL is going to pull a rabbit out of its hat and hopefully get

a TV deal done here,

possibly before we have a new salary cap next offseason,

and that would offset any losses from the fans.

So it might be premature to be gloom and doom about, you know,

the future of the salary cap because the NFL is in negotiations with the networks as we speak and this would be great timing for both sides to get something done I mean I think the NFL ratings are going to be through the roof and unprecedented based on all the fans that should be watching NFL football coming up here yeah in less than a month yeah I can't wait um I want to jump back to kind of the beginning of your career a little bit, if we could. Like right now, I'm sure that you can – you kind of sell yourself, right? If there's somebody that's coming out of college that's going to be a projected top ten pick, you're probably on that short list.
You show up and you're like, hey, it's me, the shark, the super agent. You know you want to sign with me already.
What was it like at the start of your career when you were first starting to get players into Miami? How did you convince them that you could make them more money in the pros than they were already making at the U? Wasn't easy. I was 22 years old when I broke into business in 1988.
And I was a young guy with limited experience. And, you know, I just told the truth, man.
You know, when in doubt, tell the truth. I share with the recruits that I wanted to be an agent very badly because I wanted to help my clients.
And I felt like I could do a great job. And I really was confident that I had the, you know, the talent to do it based on my legal background.

And I was a law student at Duke and I had interned with an agency and I just felt like

I had what it took to get the job done.

And I was just, you know, kind of spoke from the heart.

And I didn't have a lot of success early on, but fortunately I hung in there and at the end of the day was able to build my resume and build my career. Who was the client that, like the, I've made it client, the client that you were able to get that you're like, this guy is going to be great and he's going to set me up for future clients and it's going to be almost a snowball effect from here.
Well know very early in my career um I represented Marvin Jones who was the fourth overall pick of the draft in the night in the mid 90s and I also had Warren Sapp as a client in the mid 90s who went on to be one of the great players in the NFL um but probably all the way back in 1991 I signed a first round pick, believe it not back in 1991 his name was randall hill and he came out of the university of miami and was drafted by the dolphins in the first round and as a guy that was based in miami that was a double win for me because i started building my client base for the hurricanes and the dolphins and that was pretty huge being a South Florida guy. I wound up really dominating in terms of signing over the years a lot of the great Hurricane players and then going on and signing a lot of the Dolphin veterans as well.
So I'd have to give Randall Hill a lot of credit. It's kind of a breakthrough guy for me in 1991.
So after you kind of build out your stable clients a little bit, how quickly did you figure out that you are a guy that was going to enjoy being on television? You know, a guy that would not shy away from the spotlight if you had to be there. Because I know a lot of agents stay more behind the scenes than you.
You're not afraid to do interviews and you're not afraid to, you know, do these press conferences and things like that. Did you make a conscious decision that you were going to be, you know, more public facing? I do think that early in my career, I realized that in order to compete,

I would have to be different and I'd have to take more chances. I'd have to be more aggressive.

So I kind of stepped outside the box. And while most agents at the time were kind of behind the

scenes guys and shied away from publicity, I sort of used it to my advantage. And I was on the cover

I'm sorry. the time were kind of behind the scenes guys and, you know, shied away from publicity.
I sort of used it to my advantage and I was on the cover of Sports Illustrated early in my career and, and, and use that to sort of as a platform to get clients and was affiliated with things like Jerry Maguire and did a Burger King commercial and ESPN commercial. And, and these were years ago, you know, so no, no question.
The media has been, um, uh, good to me in that, um, I've become, uh, you know, fairly well known, uh, publicly and that's been good for business, I guess. Has there ever been a downside to that though?

Has there ever been a guy that you were going after who's like, look,

I would love to use you as an agent, but you're, you know,

out in the public eye and maybe they have a stereotype of you as an agent that's too flashy.

Has that ever worked against you?

I think earlier in my career that may have been a factor with a few players but probably not over the past decade because i've really you know i i don't think i've done as much media over the past decade and certainly a lot less controversial some of the media stuff earlier in my career was fairly controversial the next question press conference and some of the uh you know interviews that I had had to do with with tough topics like Plexico Burris and getting going to jail and things of that nature were tough uh but I was on Monday Night Football talking about that at halftime. But I think over the past decade, guys, a lot of that, I've turned more towards commenting about league issues or, you know, negotiations.
It hasn't been as controversial. So I haven't heard any players really use that as a reason not to to hire us yeah yeah and you've seen obviously a lot change over the course of your career in terms of the types of contracts that players are getting whether it's you know more guaranteed money here there are some giveaway takeaway on like uh you know some of the injury injury uh side of things where do you see nfl contracts like 10 15 years from now if you were to look to look at them, how much more progress do you think the players will have made in terms of maybe getting some fully guaranteed contracts? Well, I started when I was 22 years old and now I'm 53.
I'll be 54 in October. So 32 years in the business and I've seen the contracts Grow Incredibly And there's no reason why that won't Continue to happen I think right now We're even in the middle of a Pandemic you see blockbuster Deals for guys Around the league Over the last couple weeks there's been some Huge extensions And know, even in the midst of the pandemic, we did an extension for a guy like Darius Slay that made him the highest paid cornerback in the NFL.
For a guy like Javon Hargrave, who went from the Steelers to the Eagles, became the highest paid nose tackle in the NFL. I mean, I'm amazed every year with the growth.
Kittle just became the highest paid tight end. He's not our client, but that will grow the market.
We have two great young tight ends in Johnnie Smith and David Njoku, who will benefit from that. Not to mention oldie but goodies, who will benefit from that uh in guys like rob gronkowski and possibly even greg olsen if they decide to uh play after the season yeah so um i'm always curious this because as fans you always hear rumors about uh negotiations and when they start and if a team's getting close.

Walk us through this from behind the scenes.

You don't have to do a specific player, but at what point do you start talking about a contract extension?

Like a guy gets drafted, he plays his first two years, three years.

What point do you at least reach out to the team?

Like the guy's playing well, the team likes him.

When does the conversation start about a contract extension?

Well, if you've got an outstanding player who was an undrafted free agent some of our best clients are undrafted free agents like Shaq Barrett, who led the league in sacks. But let's just use a J.C.
Jackson, for example, who was undrafted coming out of college and has become one of the top corners in the league for the Patriots. Yeah, I mean, I've touched base with the Patriots about J.C, and he's only played two years.
So for guys that are drafted, you can start talking really and do a deal after their third year. It really depends on your client and their prominence.
We've done 103 contract extensions, and every one of them has different timing involved.

But often I get started as soon as a player is eligible after their third year for a draft choice or after their second year if a player was undrafted. So for JC Jackson, for that one, are you talking to Bill Belichick directly or are you talking to someone else in the Patriots organization? Well, without getting too specific about JC, one thing that I enjoy about the Patriots is I have worked with Coach Belichick on negotiations.
I've also worked with Nick Casario and talked about contract negotiations. He's basically their general manager.
But I've been able to work with Bill Belichick for 30 years now, and in many instances he's the one that I'm working on the contract with. Other times it's Nick Casario.
But they're both guys that I have a lot of respect for, and they're very good at their job. And I've been able to negotiate quite a few deals with both of those gentlemen for my clients on the Patriots over the years.
And in a scenario where you have a player out of college who you know you're very confident that you know that this person is going to be drafted highly how do you decide which player that you're going to go hang out in their living room or go you know know, to, to the actual draft and sit next to, how do you make that call? Well, last year, for example, on the first night of the draft that was with Derek Brown, who we were pretty confident he was going to be the 10th overall pick, you know, or the top 10, I should say. And he was the seventh overall pick by the Panthers.
I'm talking to teams, so I have a feeling, guys, of where our players are going to be drafted. On day two, I was with Josh Uche, who was the second round pick of the Patriots, and I was pretty confident that Josh would be drafted in the second round based on my discussions with the teams and the interest that they had in those players.
So where I am on draft day really depends on what the teams are telling me.

I've got partners, my brother Jason, Robert Bailey, Ryan Matha.

They'll go and stay with players as well.

So we're with all of our clients during the draft.

Yeah, but if you show up, the player knows something's going to happen.

Now, have you ever been in a situation where,'s say a player might start to fall and you know that you're on television, you know that those cameras are hitting you, whether you're in that player's living room or whatever it is. Have you been in a situation like that? And you're like, you know what? I got to start taking fake phone calls.
So it looks like there's a lot of interest in your client. You just like pick up the phone and talk to nobody.
It's funny you mentioned that. If you guys do your research, Google Willis McGahee and Drew Rosenhaus.
And what happened with Willis McGahee is exactly what you just said. He wasn't drafted yet.
And ESPN was at my house and they kept showing me and Willis and we were waiting for a call so I call Willis McGehee and I'm on the phone with Willis and Willis is on the phone and all these teams start calling me and saying wait a minute Drew who's Willis talking to is he about to get drafted we're thinking about taking him in the second round because everyone knows players don't get on the phone during the draft. Well, I wasn't specific.
I didn't say he was on the phone with me, but the inference was that he was probably on the phone talking about getting drafted and he wound up getting drafted in the first round to the surprise of a lot of teams. And I think a lot of people felt that that particular technique of me calling Willis being on the phone with him while he was on ESPN later turned out to be a pretty good strategy and the Bills drafted him with the 23rd pick in the first round I'd imagine that uh that's a great story and I'd imagine that type of scenario happens often maybe not exactly on the draft day but in your dealings with the league because there's nothing like NFL teams secrecy and scared of what the other teams are doing I'd assume you're able to be like hey listen I'm talking to a lot of people and then and then everyone kind of drives up the price because they're all crazy every every NFL franchise is kind of crazy in that way it's it's a special league like that it's a very competitive league and uh i try and use that to our advantage um i have to operate with integrity guys because i've been doing this for a long time and i represent a lot of players in the nfl and i have to work with all 32 teams and they're not one-off deals right it's not like I can burn a bridge.
I'm going to be dealing with the team again so I cannot just fabricate stuff or make stuff up or I'll have no credibility. But there are times that you obviously you know, you can be aggressive in terms of stretching and I've done that from time to time.
Has there ever been, and you don't have to name names but has there ever been a time where um not to your fault but just the fact that the player uh maybe didn't perform to the level that they got paid uh it maybe momentarily burned a bridge where a team was like we're not going to deal with you for a year or two or something like that has that ever happened, I don't think the teams blame the agent if a player doesn't play well. It's not my fault.
If I'm a hard negotiator and I agree to a good deal with the team and then the player doesn't play well, they're not going to fault me for that. So I haven't had that issue.
I really haven't burned a bridge with clubs.

That's why I've been able to do this for as long as I have guys and represent about 100 active clients in the NFL at this time. I go out of my way to be aggressive for my clients and fight for my clients and get everything I can for them, but also maintain a relationship with the teams that involves honesty and integrity and fair communication.
I think it's important. You can't just go out there and be a warrior and burn every bridge.
You'll be out of the business in no time because your clients, they need an agent that can communicate with the teams. Negotiation is just one phase for a player.
Often it's communicating about an injury or about the draft or about a trade or how a player is performing, what he needs to work on. My job isn't just to negotiate contracts.
I'm involved in a litany of things that involve me having to have a respectful relationship with clubs so i can operate on my client's behalf if i'm just this you know insane uh let me just at all costs negotiate contracts that's not in my client's best interest either i haven't had a holdout in in a long time probably a decade. So I've been able to get things done and effectively negotiate 1,000 NFL contracts

over the past 10, 15 years without having any real acrimony with any given NFL team.

That's not very shark-like of you, though, Mark.

That's more like a dolphin. Yeah.
That's not very shark-like of you though, Mark. That's more like our,

our drew.

That's more like a,

like a dolphin.

Yeah.

That's like the dolphin.

Yeah.

How do you like that?

Call me,

you know what?

I would say at times,

at times I'm a shark at times.

I'm a porpoise.

You know,

you have to be,

you gotta be a flexible,

you know,

at times I'm a fish and a mammal.

And I'm sure there's a lot of other descriptions that I've gotten from teams like who knows yeah but I what I will tell you is I take my job very seriously guys and it's a big responsibility to represent players it's not it's not a joke for me and as we kid around with you knowms for me of shark, a porpoise. I've got guys whose lives depend on me to be a professional, to recommend things that are in their best interest.
The NFL is a short lifespan. Guys are dependent on you to give them right advice, to be a professional.
And I take it very seriously. And for whatever my public persona is, the one thing that I can tell you guys is the most important thing to me is I always do what's in my client's best interest.
And I work very hard to be professional at this. I study, I'm prepared, and I try to be a consummate pro every step of the way

because my clients deserve that. So do their families.
How have you dealt with, you know,

you've been doing it for so long now, like you said, started in 1989. Social media has changed

everything. Do you do social media courses with your clients? How do you approach that when a guy

gets drafted or when you officially sign someone as, know being a client rosenhouse how do you talk to them about social media and how they deal with all that i'm frequently discussing social media with my clients and the easiest way to explain social media to my clients um is whenever you post something just assume it's a press conference. It's just like you getting up on a podium in front of the whole media and making a statement because everyone follows you on social media.
People follow everything that you do. And that is what I say to my clients be be aware that whatever you do on social media, it is equivalent to doing an interview and millions of people could potentially see it.
So from my standpoint, that's the type of conversation I have. Remember when a lot of our clients get to us, they've been through college.
So they've talked about this with their college coaches.

Many of the guys get this conversation from the NFL teams as well.

So there is an awful lot of education that takes place before it even gets to me and

my interaction with an athlete.

What about when you get a deal done for one of your clients?

And let's just say it's a big deal, like a Rob Gronkowski level type thing. When you sign that contract, do you have Ian Rapoport and Adam Schefter on the same text thread with each other? Because they tweet this news out within 30 seconds of each other.
And I'm pretty sure that the agents just copy both of them at the same time?

Well, guys, I'm not in a position to reveal my sources or talk about my relationships with any reporters. But in general, as an agent, I do think it's helpful to get along with the media.
There are guys nationally that I have a lot of respect for, including one of your good friends in Mike Florio. Yep.
You know, I have a good relationship with Mike and Pro Football Talk. And really, I'm responsive to any reporter that reaches out to me.
I try to treat them all with great respect. I try to get back to everyone, even if it's I can't comment or I can't help you with this.
But certainly, I can't divulge the secrets of my practice. I will say, I did reach out to Mike before this interview.
I was like, hey, you got any juicy stuff I can press him on? And Mike responded, no, he's a good guy. So, I, that's, listen, you guys, it sounds like maybe he's on, he's your first guy that you text.
Well, I tell you this, you guys have done a heck of a job. I mean, it's remarkable to see the growth of your podcast and your broadcasting careers.
And it's fun to see,, I, I love this element of our business that there's so much opportunity surrounding sports and commentating and there's great content for fans and you don't have to, you know, just turn ESPN or NFL.com. And you guys are an inspiration to a lot of people out there that, that you can to butter us up.
I take my hat off. Way to butter us up.
So in releasing the contract news, you got to stay ahead of the curve because I think people are starting to catch up to this. I talk about it all the time.
When that initial news comes out, it's always like fake money. They're like, oh, this guy signed for five years, $200 million.
dollars then they look at it and they're like well they could cut him after a year and a half and it's only like 20 million guaranteed so how are we going to stay ahead of the curve because i think people are catching up to that first tweet is always like wait a second let's get the real numbers yeah i'm not a huge fan of uh inflating anything because all that's going to happen is the media is going to come back a day later and, and, and say, wait, this deal isn't what it was cracked up to be. So I'd rather just give, you know, the facts.
I think if you spin it, it's going to come back to bite you on the rear end. So I'm not a huge fan of, of playing that game where you make it seem like it's better than it is, because that only goes so far.
And I'm pretty straightforward when it comes to breaking down deals and talking about them when I do, because I don't think it's beneficial for my clients to put out an inflated or exaggerated contract and then it's just going to get assassinated or dissected the following day. I don't want to put my clients in that position.
You know, it's exciting for them to sign a contract. There's no need to, you know, to fabricate or, you know, kind of embellish on what these deals look like.
Yeah. Go ahead.
I was going to say, one of your most famous clients is Frank Gore, and I was just going to let you know that I appreciate Frank Gore. He's been around for, what, 15 years now? For you as an agent, that must be an incredible guy to have on your roster, where it's like every year you're like, is Frank going to retire? No, he's going to come out and rush for 900 yards again.
We're going to take another bite of that apple this offseason. So how many more years do you think that Frank's got left in him? Well, Frank is going into his 16th season, which is amazing for a running back in particular.
And Frank is the third all-time leading running back in NFL history. And one thing that has established Frank as an all-time great guy is he loves the game and he's a very hard worker.
And I think Frank loves the game so much that he'll keep playing this game until he's told by all 32 teams that there's no job for him. I really do.
Frank loves professional football. He loves to compete.
He loves to play.

He's a rare competitor.

I don't think Frank will retire out of his own recognizance

until the opportunities have dried up.

And really, at this stage of his career,

he's got to take it one year at a time.

I think it's a big year for the Jets, and I hope he does,

reunited with Adam Gase.

If he has a big year, I wouldn't be surprised if he played again in in 2021 but it's got to be one year at a time right now for him um I've always been curious this you have a ton of different clients uh how do you decide who like who you're rooting for and after let's say the Super Bowl you got clients going up against each other do you talk to the loser first or you try to talk to the winner first how does that how do you always break that down do you have a protocol or is it by feel i think it is by feel guys i think it is by feel um usually i will talk to the winners first because they're in a good mood and they're happy and they're receptive and they're glad to see you. A lot of times guys need to cool down after a loss.

If I'm on the field after the game or in a locker room though,

whatever order I see my clients win, lose, or draw, I'm going to talk to them.

But if I'm in a position where I have to go to one locker room or another,

typically I'll give the guys that have not won the chance to compose themselves and kind of get over the bitterness of defeat. They probably don't want to hear from me right after a game when you lose.
When players win, they're ecstatic to see you and it's more welcome. So how do you decide who you root for? Are you just rooting for your clients? You you're basically like i just hope all my clients do awesome and that's it or do you even have like if frank gore's in the super bowl and he's up against on the jets so okay well yeah so we'll suspend you know all belief if frank gore's in the super bowl this year and he's up against uh let's say gronk so it's Jets versus Bucs are you somewhat like deep down being like I really want Frank Gore to win this because Gronk has a few Super Bowls to his name and Frank doesn't have any um you know guys that's that's a brilliant question thank you and and although I'm an agent I am a human being and I care about clients.
I have to really tell you that I've grown to be very neutral over the 32 years that I've been in the business. You learn to kind of put your emotions in a box with the games and you just you're satisfied with your players coming out of the game healthy and hopefully playing to the best of their abilities.
I don't root for teams in the Super Bowl. If Gronk and Frank went against each other, may the best man win.
This is basically the next question answer. You're just doing the next question answer.
Yeah, I mean, no. I really can't take question.
Give us the satisfaction of saying next question. Next question.
There we go. I think I know what you want to say, and from your mindset, you have to – you look at the NFL like it's your giant fantasy team.
You've got all these different players, and you just root for their stats. And so if it's Frank Gore against Gronk in the Super Bowl, you're hoping that both guys get three touchdowns.
That was the most diplomatic diatribe you were about to go on. I'm pretty good at the diplomacy at this stage in my career, but it's hard.
I mean, you're emotionally attached to all your clients, and believe me, I've seen guys get injured game after game.

So after 32 years of gut-wrenching pain as an agent watching these games,

because I've seen Gronk blow out his knee.

I've seen Gronk have a concussion.

I've seen Gronk break his forearm.

I mean, you know, I just want to see these guys come out healthy and play well, honestly, whether they win or lose. Um, you know, I'm kind of castified at this point on that.
Yeah. What about, what about fantasy football though? Do you play fantasy? Definitely not because I think it'd be, you know, a little bit of a conflict of interest.
Yeah. Yeah.
Right. I could just play a team with my clients, but that wouldn't be fair.
So I don't play fantasy football. One of the tough parts, guys, is when I grew up here in Miami, I was a huge Dolphin fan, huge Hurricane fan.
Like you would not believe. and I can tell you very frankly that I miss being a fan

I miss being a fan.

I miss being a Dolphin fan, a Hurricane fan,

because now I just root for my clients,

and I'm not able to be a fan anymore.

I can't play fantasy football.

I can't just sit back and watch a game

and cheer when the team scores a touchdown.

Now I'm analyzing every play, wondering if my clients are playing, why this guy didn't play, why he missed the tackle. Yeah, being an agent is a lot of fun, but I will tell you when you become an agent, football is now a business and not fun like it used to be.
So that's the only downside. I see so many people say to me, I love football.
I'd like to be an agent. Sometimes I just want to tell them it's a great profession.
I love what I do, but you lose the innocence of being a fan, which is a lot of fun. So you've had it happen a couple of times that I know of, but maybe more times than, you know, throughout your career, but you've had to cut cut ties with clients so basically the reverse of a client firing an agent you know Antonio Brown Johnny Manziel how does that how do you how do you get to that conclusion is it like you know you tried you tried you tried and nothing uh changed or you know what exactly happens when a Johnny Manziel or Antonio Brown situation you have to cut ties with clients you know rather than shedding light on those two cases in particular at a respect for them and I want to rehash right tough times for either one of them fair I think the answer is this in general my philosophy my philosophy, man, is to stick with my clients

as long as I can, as long as I'm effective, as long as my advice is being appreciated, as long as the client respects me and I'm effective at what I'm doing. At the point in time where the client no longer cares for my advice or my recommendations or we're in conflict in terms of what a player should be doing, there's just no point in continuing that relationship.
So for me, if I ever get to the point, past, present, or future, where I have a client that repeatedly disregards my counsel, we don't share the same philosophy on how they're approaching their life and their career. what's the point in having me as the representative? And if they're not going to cut the cord, then I will,

because there's other agents out there that they might have a better connection with at that time. So, I mean, representing players is a very important job.
And if I can't contribute and be important in a player's life, then I shouldn't be that player's representative anymore. That makes sense.
And one of the great magic tricks that you pulled, and I think it's been done a little bit recently, not just with Antonio Brown, but also this offseason we saw with Jamal Adams where a player is not happy for whatever reason on the team that they're on and they want to be traded. They're not a free agent.
But in my head, last summer, I reached the point where I thought that Antonio Brown was a free agent. It seemed like it was a free agency period for him.
And how do you exercise the little leverage that you have with a player that's under contract to try to steer them to a team that they kind of put on their pre-approved checklist. It's a slippery slope in that,

you know,

the teams really don't want a player to be on their club that,

that doesn't want to be there.

You know,

that's not productive.

If you've got a guy that doesn't believe in that organization,

doesn't believe in that coaching staff,

doesn't want to be in that locker room.

That's,

that is counterproductive.

So if you get to that point with the player,

Thank you. doesn't want to be in that locker room, that is counterproductive.
So if you get to that point with the player and that player doesn't want to be there to that extent, you really should trade that player. And that's not as much of a magic trick as it is unfortunate because the downside is that when a player is that unhappy with the team and motivates a team to trade, that's not the best for a player's reputation moving forward either.
And it's not the most conducive thing to the relationship with that new team or any other team. So I'm not, you know, I'm not, I don't think that that's anything brilliant or a magic trick.
It's unfortunate for everybody involved when you get to that point because it does have a negative effect on everybody in some capacity. Remember, these guys have relationships with players, and when they get traded, I mean, those relationships that in many respects, they suffer, you know, with coaches, with players.
And that's not fun. We had a client in Darius Slay that got traded and he didn't leave on the best of terms, but that was hard on him because Darius really cared about a lot of people in that Lions organization, but it was time for a change.
And that was a win-win for everybody at that point in time. Yeah, Magic Trick's probably not a great choice of words.
It's more, that's on me inside my own head where my dumb brain was like, oh, he's a free agent now. Like at times I thought that he was because there were so many teams that were interested.
But if it's a if it's a player that is that says publicly or privately to the organization here, like the four teams that I would like to go to.

Do you have any leverage at all to make that happen? Or is it just you counting on the GM to like do your player a solid and try to put him in a place where he's happy?

I think when you've got a client who's under contract, you don't have a ton of leverage as an agent because it's really up to the team to decide how they want to trade the player for what terms to what team. The leverage that I have is just to be professional and communicating with that team and share with them what we believe is in our client's best interest and in the team's best interest to try and find a scenario where everybody wins.
The trade is beneficial for the player and beneficial for the team that acquires the player and beneficial for the team that trades the player. That's what I'm trying to accomplish.
And I guess the term leverage really applies to using my experience. I've been an agent longer than any other general manager by a wide margin at this time.
So I try to share with these general managers my experience over my three decades in the NFL and try and encourage them to do what I think objectively will be in everyone's best interest. And hopefully that carries some weight.
Drew, this has been awesome. I have one last question.
By the way, you are now a recurring guest. So whenever one of your clients is in the news, you have to come on our show to tell us about it.
Just so you know. No problem.
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How the hell did you get the Instagram handle at agent? Oh, I, uh, I don't deserve any credit for that. One of the guys who works for me, his name is Kyle Lincoln.
He talked to the people at Instagram. We got a lot of clients that we get verified and get handles and they were nice enough to give me the handle i mean i wish i could that's boss that is at agent is the greatest handle to have if you were an eight like that makes you the best agent right there you should just say that you should actually just have that on your business card just be like at agent that's it that's the only thing on the business, uh, I wish that was the case and it was that easy, but it is a cool handle and I don't intend to change it anytime soon.
What about it has been a lot of fun with that handle. What about when you retire, when you walk off into that sunset, are you going to find another agent and sell it to them? One last score.
I'm sure I'll keep that handle. Why not? Even when I'm retired, I'm sure people will still think of me as the agent.
Hopefully, I've left that legacy over all these years. I've been doing it 32 years.
My goal is to get it up to 50 at least. Then we'll go from there.
We'll see what's next. Well, you better hope that nobody grabs Super Agent.
Because then that would actually make you look worse if you're just Agent. Or Shark Wrestling Agent.
Well said. Shark Wrestling Agent.
Drew, though, this has been awesome. We really appreciate it.
And like we said, you now legally are obligated to come on anytime we ask. My pleasure, guys.
You take care. All right.
Good work. Thanks so much.
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Here is the president of the Washington football team, Jason Wright. OK, we now welcome on a very special guest.
It is Jason Wright. He is the president of the Washington football team.

Awesome to have you.

You just announced a week ago, huge hiring.

You're the first black president in NFL history.

Also, I would assume going to change some culture in Washington football team.

Can we start with the culture change and talk about the team name?

Can we decide that right now? Because I know PFT really wants the Red Wolves so let's let's do that right now PFT I heard you have a dynamic presentation for us I do well I mean is what I heard well I can some some about Colin Powell and yeah I like that something something roundabout like that that caught my attention,

but I didn't quite fully understand.

I may have said that I would give a Colin Powell like you in presentation to you,

but then I ditched that.

I scrapped that because of everything that happened after that presentation.

So this is just going to be me talking to you one-on-one from a fan perspective.

It's the Washington football team now.

But, well, first of all, I'll say if they make the super bowl this year you know you can't change that right like it's just going to be watching football i mean that that that sounds logical to me yeah i think if we if we if we go to the super bowl this year i think we will probably just all be kicking it a little bit instead of worrying about things like this absolutely but if you do change the name, I feel strongly that it should be Red Wolves. First of all, you got Fred Smoot who really created the movement behind Red Wolves.
He's a fan favorite. He brings up some good points.
The defense could be called the Wolf Pack. I think that dogs in general are criminally underrepresented at the professional level.
When it comes to sports mascots,

we do own the,

uh,

the water dogs lacrosse club.

It's a professional lacrosse team.

But besides that,

there are like no dogs at the,

at the major league level.

Um,

I think that you could do something like release wolves on the sideline

before every game.

I'm talking about like before the teams take the field.

Yeah.

That sounds highly litigious, but I, I hear you though. Okay.
Here's the way I would do it because we want to tie in conservation as well right? We want to be doing good things on and off the field. So if you just maybe 8 o'clock on Sundays before any home game, you put maybe three Red Wolves down on the field let them walk up and down, just pace the opponent's sideline, let them, you know,

pee and poop down there, mark their territory, get the wolves back,

take them back to their conservation. And then it's game time.
Guess what?

Now the Detroit lions are walking around, you know, ankle deep and wolf scat.

I think that's a good home field advantage right there.

I like the way your brain operates, my friend. Okay.

It's exactly the type of, you know, disruptive thinking we need to get to a good answer. I can make no commitments to you right now, brother, but consider your application effectively submitted.
Okay, there we go. We're good.
Yeah. No, no, don't keep going.
Yeah, exactly. You're right.
Good guidance from your boy. Good guidance from your boy.
He said we submitted. Okay, submitted? Don't give away the free stuff now.
I've got a million more ideas. Save them because then they're going to bring you on as chief marketing officer.
One more idea. No, don't.
The urinals are fire hydrants in the restrooms. That's perfect.
Oh, gosh. Jason, you are also the youngest NFL president in history.
Is that also true? Not in history. Just currently.
Just currently. All right.
So how does that work when you're meeting with people and you're their boss and you're a lot younger than them and trying to – we talked to Sean McVay. We've had him on a few times.
He talks about how dealing with guys in the locker room and he's their age how do you get over that i don't think it's something that um needs to be an obstacle and it's also not something i'm unaccustomed to frankly um you know i've been counseling ceos for the better part of the last decade it's not a lot there's not a whole lot of you know 30 something ceos running around um i think you build trust in ways. You build trust by being credible, so you know what the hell you're talking about.
You build trust by being reliable. You're consistent.
You follow up. You do what you say.
And you build trust by being personable and making personal connections. And I think if I can do those three things, it can bridge any age divide.
It can bridge any demographic divide. You can connect with folks and I'll plan to bring those to bear.
I'm not too concerned about it. On the flip side of that, do you think that maybe there's some underestimation that goes on that maybe might play into your hand a little bit? Have you experienced that in the past? Certainly.
That can absolutely, I guess, help you or hurt you. But I tend to be pretty agenda-less.
You know, I'm not super Machiavellian dude. I don't have some grand twisted scheme to grab power.
What you see is what you get with me. And the thing that excites me about this job and work in general is solving hairy, complex problems, really complex, challenging problems and galvanizing a group of people to go and achieve it.
And so for me, I'm actually just really about solving what needs to be solved and seeing the impact of it. That's what actually excites me more so than, you know, scheming and gaming.
So you're right, man, it could play into my favor, but I'm just going to let it be what it is. By the way, that was a very thoughtful answer.
But the correct answer is you just need to grow a mustache and put on reading glasses and everyone would be like, wow, this guy's really thinking about this. That's the way to do it.
That's like the little rascals sitting on each other's shoulders with like the overcoat. It's really, you know, rock the mustache.
People are like, wow, this guy's pretty serious about stuff. Maybe a bow tie.
Yeah. That usually helps.
I mean, I got some grays from my last years, you know, working in a high intensity job, so I just let those come out. You do have a pretty big challenge ahead of you.
The Washington football team is a team that has not had the best track record for the last 20, 25 years or so. Bill Parcells famously said, I think when he was hired by the Dolphins, first thing, if you want to change the culture, you change the carpets.
So he just like change everything about like the layout of the place. Have you thought about like something small like that, that could lead to a greater overall shift? That's actually really insightful.
No, no, I hadn't, but I actually liked that. I think the principle there is psychologically, we get used to our environment.
And when you're in that environment, what you see, what you smell, whatever it is, gets your mind in a place where you do things the same old way. So I actually really like that.
I hadn't thought about that. Something like that to sort of tangibly or physically change the game.
I've been more focused on some of the things that are related to what people experience, you know, person to person. You know, we have an independent investigation going on into sexual harassment.
And, you know, I'm familiar with those challenges. I've helped other companies move through those.
And, you know, depending on where we're at, and I don't know if it's better or worse than I think it is outside in, because I have basically the same information as y'all until I start on Monday. I know the path to get us to a culture where people are empowered and there's good leaders and the right voices are in on the right decisions and there's transparency and all that.
That's what I've been thinking about more so. But I actually really like this idea of surrounding that with some more overt changes that start to shift what you think it should look and feel like when you come to work.
I actually really like that a lot. So you played college ball at Northwestern, running back at Northwestern, played in the NFL as well.
Why in your estimation is Evanston the greatest home field advantage at 11 a.m. on a Saturday afternoon? Because it is.
It is. I'm here for it, man.
I'm here for it. Let's see.
Let's see. Where do I start? No one's in the stands.
The intense focus that you are able to achieve. No, it's the beauty of being able to walk on the lake and center yourself before you get out there to play an important game.
It's it's the reminder that, you know, maybe the students aren't there as early, but it's because they're about to be world leaders and CEOs and they had a little bit of study. Oh, our journalists.
OK. So, yeah.
Or yes. Or yeah.
Or running journalism. You know, we are we are we are absolutely the journalism cartel.
Right. So, you know, it's okay if you didn't show up to the you know the first kickoff you weren't there tailgating three hours ahead if you're gonna you know run the show yeah okay well i'm good with that good trade-offs yeah i have a long-standing uh belief that it is truly the greatest home advantage in all football um i went to university wisconsin i'm also a gambler big you know I love to gamble and I always bet Northwestern 11 a.m because there's teams that have high school football you know kids who played at Texas high school football in bigger crowds than the 11 a.m Northwestern come on man you can catch teams on you know sleepwalking I mean Northwestern it's always when comes out, you know Ohio State's going to be tough.
But if they're playing 11 a.m. in Evanston, that's when Northwestern catches teams.
Hold on, hold on real quick. I'm going to get you up off of us real quick.
You know, in my time at Northwestern, and you'll probably be able to verify this. Yes, you did beat Wisconsin.
I either, I either, no, let's be even, let's take it one step further. I either never lost to Wisconsin or most certainly have a winning record against Wisconsin.
And I credit my performances against Wisconsin of helping me get to the NFL. So I thank you.
There you go. And it was an, and it was a game at Evanston, probably at 11am.
So it it proves my point. Boom, we're done.
I'll say this. One of the most fun moments in college football is jump around in the fourth quarter at Badger Stadium.
Yes. All right, so I had one more Northwestern question because I do love college football.
2003 Motor City Bowl MVP. Probably the biggest award out there.
I love that. I love that bowl game because it's always like the ninth team in the Big Ten versus like the third team in the MAAC.
What was it like winning that? Was that one of the greatest achievements? This should actually tell you how well I played in that game. I was the MVP, but we lost.
There you go. That's huge.
We lost. We lost, but I balled.
It was a fun – I mean, college football is such a special thing, and we're all in our split mind of both understanding, prioritizing student-athlete health and safety, along with grieving and missing the experience this year. I think it's just a blast.
What I remember most about the Motor City Bowl and my career in football in general are the folks that I hung out with, the staff that I spent time with, sitting with my dad in a Detroit casino gambling. Those are the types of things that I remember from that trip, know much less the game that i don't know my family watched yeah second second longest uh second longest motor city uh bowl history touchdown so that's actually almost better than having the the record in the motor city bowl to be like you know this bowl i'll take all of it i'll take all of it it was a life it was a ago, and let's be clear that if I tried to do any of it, I would pull a handshake.
So when you got this job, I think it was CBS Sports, they interviewed some of your old Northwestern teammates, and one of them said, I think this was off the record, not by name, that he thought that by now you'd be president. So do you feel like a disappointment because you're not underachieved? Yeah.
No, I do not. Because, you know, that's not as I might say in a more casual moment, I'm not about that life.
I want I want no part of that life. I actually have a bunch of really close friends and Northwestern grads actually, that are pretty high ranking in

politics. And they've got a composure and patience and thoughtfulness that I could never achieve.
So they can have at it. Are you worried at all being a notable Northwestern grad? And there's many of them.
I'll give you guys credit for that. That Darren Revell in his basement has like your social security card or

like a piece of pizza

you ate as like a senior

I do know that Darren has some paraphernalia of mine as a college athlete in his basement. Unless he sold it since then, but he did have something years ago.
Who gives a better pregame warm-up speech, Darren Revell or Mike Greenberg? Oh, wow. Gosh.
It's tough to decide. Can I put them together and make it, you know, this greeny, highly analytic, and then energetic Darren, slightly erratic delivery? Because I kind of want them both.
I mean, together. I feel like, yeah.
If you combine them like a, like a Voltron that would deliver the best ad read of all time. You get not only the ad reads from Greeny, but also the analytics of how it breaks down and how many like different trinkets you can buy using that, that contract from Darren.
Um, I had a question for you about the team name and how things are like being implemented moving forward. Do you have like an R words jar that you're going to put in the office? So when anybody says the R word by mistake, you put like 20 bucks in there.
And then that goes to like paying, I don't know, tampering charges. That's actually, that's actually, you know, that's actually probably a pretty good reinforcing mechanism.

But no, the name piece, and I've said this before,

so I'm going to pare it back what I said before.

Forgive me.

But it's more than a name, right?

It's actually reestablishing an identity.

And it's actually a really hard thing to do.

And I think if there's anything that I've learned over the past few days

engaging with fans substantively for the first time,

this is not an easy task. And that's because it's so important and because it means so doggone much to people.
Because the identity will inform the way that everything that comes out of the building is structured. It's going to inform the way we engage with fans.
It's going to inform the way that when we do have people back in the stadium next year, that the fan experience is crafted. And then most certainly we're building a new stadium.
It's going to really influence the design and the feel of that new place. It's going to inform what we do charitably in the community.
And I think actually, if we get it right, it's also going to inform the way that we treat each other within the organization and in our culture. And it has to hit a few things all in concert.
And I don't know how it's going to come together, but I trust that the process will get us there. It's got to bring some sense of the historic nature of this club since 1932 forward into it.
It can't really just be a break break as though nothing ever happened, right? It needs to have all of that historicity in it. It needs to have the Hawks.
It needs to have, you know, the memory of, you know, a groundbreaking winning quarterback. Like, all of that stuff needs to be part of the go-forward identity.
But it also needs to have the values and the culture that, you know, Dan and Tanya Snyder are pivoting us towards, that Coach Rivera is driving, that they brought me in to drive. It's also got to capture the energy of the fans today, the diverse set of fans that we have today.
It's also got to represent the DMV in a way that's unique. I mean, there's so many things that have to be threaded together in this.
It's really challenging. But I think the secret is going to be real engagement of the fan base that's frequent, that's meaningful.
It's going to require us to engage the players, our staff. It's going to mean talking to leaders around the DMV area as well.
We're going to need a lot of input to get this done, and it probably won't land where everybody wants, right? There's only one thing you can string together for a name, right? But hopefully everybody at the end of it, because of how we approach it, will be able to see their fingerprints on the process. They'll understand the depth of meaning that comes out in the new identity.
And eventually, because not everyone will be on board the beginning. Eventually, everybody understands and embraces this new identity,

and it brings us back together.

And that's a bit of what we need as a fan base.

So how big of a priority is it for you to get the team to move back to Washington, D.C.,

maybe on the site that RFK Stadium was on?

Is that something that you discussed in your interview process,

or is that something that you personally know is going to be a priority?

No, that has not been part of the discussions coming up,

and I like the way you tried to incept me there.

I am completely inoculated against inception, my friend.

It is, I've heard this for the last few days.

It's actually really important to a large portion of the fan base

to feel like it is a DC-based team.

But I don't know where the location discussions are. And I need to, I need to catch up on that when I'm in office.
But the, the things that I'm excited about and why the stadium actually is something that I got very fired up about. And in talking with Dan and time to did a lot of brainstorming and wild throwing out wild ideas about is not just that a stadium is a location where you bring families, it's where the team plays, it becomes a sense of pride and identity for the fan base, but also it's an economic driver for the region.
And if you look back on my track record before this, I talk a ton at McKinsey about economic development, what it does for communities, how it's able to uplift various types of people and various types of businesses. And the idea of being able to help craft how that capital that goes into the stadium flows to businesses and communities.
And then what the wealth that's generated from the stadium flows into businesses and communities, for me, is a bit of a challenge of a lifetime to do it in a way that's aligned with my values and espouses equity in a really beautiful way. So that's what I'm excited about.
And I know irrespective of location, that's the lens I'm going to bring to it. But I'm hearing people loud and clear now, my friend.
There are strong opinions in many directions, but not much stronger than people's desire to see the identity rooted to the district in some way. So you mentioned that you're starting on Monday.
Have you given your press conference yet? Have you done a press conference yet? No, I haven't. I haven't.
I don't know if I'm a press conference. You guys can advise me.
You guys can advise me on what will resonate with folks. You need to start with a joke, so you've got to have that ready.
I would assume you're going to do a press conference at some point. So we need it.
I'm sure. I'm sure it will.
I'm sure it will. But I'll tell you what I care about when it comes to media engagement.
Because I'm agnostic to, you know, the format. You want to put me in front of a podium? Put me in front of a podium.
You know, let me be here with you all, which is quite casual and comfortable. Like,'s good too.
Like I'm good with whatever.

But I think what's in there are a few things. People to understand clearly how the culture that we're creating, you know, comes across in the day to day.
And in order to do that, I need to be a bit authentic. I need to pull back the curtain a bit on like what's going on in the building.
You know, everything's going on in the building, but you need to know something about it for us to be authentic and credible and really signal a new direction.

You know, everything's going on in the building, but you need to know something about it for us to be authentic and credible and really signal a new direction. You know, I want to be, I want to listen a lot.
I want to be in forums where I'm not just talking at people, but I'm also taking in input. You know, I got an application here today.
I got a few other ideas today. I got an attempted inception here today.
Like I want to take those inputs. You know what I mean? I want to take those inputs and I want to listen.
And so whatever format it's in, I want that to be part of it as well. And then, you know, I want them all to be, you know, focused on moving us forward in some way, not just to look at myself because I can do that in a mirror.
And it's not just to hear my own voice, because, you know, I can do that singing in the shower. It's actually about something that moves us towards our goals in some way, communicate something meaningful to the fan base.
So I just want to be a little bit action oriented about it. Does that make sense? Yes, absolutely.
Right off the bat, it's's helpful in your introductory press conference if you know what the colors of the team are so for example if somebody asked you what color the redskins are excuse me washington football team 20 in the r word star sorry uh you you should not say maroon and black like jim zorn did in his first press conference so it's burgundy yep burgundy and gold i'm just gonna hammer that Yes. Burgundy gold.
That's a good. I am.
Yes. Understood.
And. Understood.
Another help.

Do you mind if I give you a piece of advice? I don't know. Oh, no, bruh, bruh, please, please fire away.
I'm taking notes. Okay.
So this is a very important thing you need to figure out. And this is going to be very tough for you because obviously you've got an athletic background.
You need to find a sport that Dan can beat you in because I don't know if he'll be able to just like take you onto the racquetball court

like he did with Vinny Serrato and like beat him, you know, like 21 to nothing, feel good

about himself, then go back home.

You need to find a sport he can consistently beat you at that you always go out.

That's a good way for you to maintain that job.

That's actually really good advice.

And something, you know, something folks might know about me, there's literally only one sport that i'm good at and that is american football i am actually quite bad at everything else maybe track i could probably beat him in a foot race but that's everything else i might get wiped the floor with so you know that's that's safe bet that's good to know it's kind of a cool thing to be like i'm only good at one sport and, and I also played pro. All right.
I had one last question. Very good.
Yes, very, very good. Elite, I had one last question.
So Jason Wright, you went to Northwestern. You were a football star there.
You went to the NFL. You played in the NFL.
You went and you were a star at – or no Sorry, you went to University of Chicago grad school. You then went were a star at McKinsey.
You're now the youngest current active NFL president. Has anyone just been like, dude, you're kind of a nerd and a big time overachiever? I'm very much a nerd.
And I absolutely embrace that that because you make us all look bad I can't really hide it I have I have Star Wars socks on right now you're making us look bad though that's really what it is I am sorry I feel like you all are doing quite well on your own so you should just just, you know, maybe it's more of a, you know, self-reflection thing to realize how much you have actually achieved. That said, I am my own worst critic.
So, you know, overachiever is not a label I would apply to myself. I think there's a lot of room for growth and this job is going to stretch and grow me.
And's what i'm excited i i just see a resume like this i i did the same thing um there was a kid who's scott harris who used to work for the cubs who was like i think he became the uh theo's like right hand man when he was 26 and i wrote a blog being like what the fuck fuck this guy he's such an overachiever i just read a resume like yours and I'm like, how did he have enough time? Like, yeah, it's impressive, man. It's impressive.
You know what it is? Well, actually, so people say this about sports often. You know, yes, there's like work and preparation and all of that.
But most things, it's about timing and opportunity. And frankly, that's what it's been for me.
You know, I chose to, you know, when I first break, you know, in the NFL, I, it happened because a bunch of people got injured. Do you know what I mean? Right.
And that allowed me to get on the field, show what I could do and establish myself. It's not, I was working hard all the time.
I was, you know, being my best self all the time, but it took, you know, a serendipitous moment for me to jump in. You know, it was the same thing when I chose to retire and go to business school.
The timing worked out in a way where I got into a career and got experience that led to this. I had enough experience at this moment for this to happen.
And this whole thing came together, you know, out of the blue. Our networks, my network and the Snyder's network just crossed at the right time.
So yeah, there's like, you know, you prepared, you went to school, you got decent grades and all of that. And I don't want to downplay that.
However, a lot of it has to do with just things coming together at the right time. And for that, I'm just grateful.
Well, you even through this interview, you've given like three or four answers where i'm like damn how how can a person be so thoughtful like i just don't have the words that you have in your in your vocabulary you got a lot of words how many words how many words you know you got so many words dude i have the best words all the best words and go ahead i was just no no you finished up well i was gonna say and uh the greatest accomplishment the second longest touchdown in motor city uh bowl history now that's clear that's clearly at the top i don't know why that's not my resume actually uh well i'm rooting for you i i want the i want the washington football team to succeed i'm sure you've heard this so many times but that district del or uh dC., Maryland, Virginia, the DMV, it's a football community that has longed for a successful football team for the last 20 years. We've had glimpses here and there.
But if the team can come together, like you are in a prime position, actually, you're kind of buying low in a way. You're buying low real opportunity here and you could be a god you could be a god to people in uh in virginia dc and maryland uh if this succeeds and i'm pulling for it man well i'll quote captain america my nerd side there's only one god man and uh doesn't doesn't wear this so i that.
But I will I will align myself with your aspiration and your and your goal. And that is, you know, Coach Revere has already started a movement that I think is going to get great performance on the field.
And I will both get us out of his way on the business side and do some things that really make the fans excited about it again. That's what I that's what I owe you guys.
Well, that's interesting. I appreciate that.
But where, where is the exact line between what your job is and with what coach Rivera does? Because coach Rivera, he's taking on more than just a traditional head coaching role. He's very intimately involved with the operations of the team.
So like, where's that line where you stop and he starts? Yeah, it's super clear to me. And that's a good thing, I think.

You know, real clarity really helps performance. Coach Rivera oversees the football side 100%.
That's everything from the players that are selected in the draft to the players that are on the field, the scouts that are on the squad, the trainers that are in the training room, everything that goes into what happens between the lines is Coach Rivera all day. And if you think about it in a really simplified way, his metric is wins and losses.
Me, on the other hand, I run all the business operations that surround it, the marketing, the sales, the stadium operations, everything that happens just off the grass, anything that happens off the fan experience, anything that happens off the grass, that's in my area. And if you think about if his is wins and losses, mine is it's franchise value and dollars and cents, you know, and that's the way to think about our disparate roles.
Awesome. Well, Jason, thank you so much.
Really appreciate it, man. Best of luck.
And, uh, good job being, being you and being an overachiever. And it's okay that you, uh, put all of our resumes to shame.
The world needs people who are just kicking ass like you, you know, I feel comfortable saying that you got a position of power. It's like, that's good.
Rece sir oh wait i forgot one last question ah you tried again this is attempted inception i heard the whisper bro what your whisper you're not gonna get me your middle name is go million yes it is hell yeah that's fucking awesome that's not a bad name either watching go millions damnions. Damn it.
Dude, you're way cooler than everyone. Well, I mean, I'm not the one, you know, at work in jeans with my sneaks and feet up.
That's pretty good. That's true.
I am having a good time. I don't have it like that.
I don't have it like that. I feel like that was an inception to be like, stop slacking, dude.
Sit up straight. No, I think that he's incepting you to make you...
It's a classic trick. He's making us feel good so that we'll be like, yeah, we'll keep complimenting you.
I know you can't incept me into future compliments. You're doing a great job.
Yes. Thanks, Joe.
I'll finish with the diss then. Maybe get some collar stays, dude.
The collar's looking a little wrinkly. The collars are perfectly normal.
There we go. Let's go.

Get some collar stays.

Get some wireless earbuds.

Wireless earbuds. You're the president of a team.

How do you have wires still?

What the hell are you doing? Maybe wear a tie.

We're trying to look professional.

I'm here for it. Serve me that realness.

Yeah, serve me that realness. I like it.
All right, Jason. Thank you so much, man.

Appreciate it.

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Okay, let's get to some of Billy's sheet, then we'll do Firefest and wrap up the show. What are you going to say, Hank? George Carl, this league.
Yes. But did you see what Mark Jackson actually said?

Yeah, he didn't actually go at George Carl, really.

He didn't say anything.

He was just like, you know, coaches should be held responsible for not having him play defense during his career,

which is like a lot of coaches.

Which is also very weird because Mello actually did kind of play defense in Denver.

And George Carl just said,

I heard Mark Jackson's taking shots at my defensive coaching

during tonight's broadcast.

Remind me, how many all-star teams did you coach, Mark? How many DPO-wise? How many finals appearances? How many of my teams became dynasties right after I left? Oh, well, I mean, Mark can... He took like a sub shot and just went in.
But Mark can hit him with the dynasty that took over when he left. Like, that is the ultimate Mark Jackson stat.
He happened to be... No, that's what he...
He used that as a diss. diss.
How many of my teams became Dynasty. Yeah, right.
I was the missing piece. I thought he stumbled into the only thing that Mark Jackson could reply with.
But that's a major case of if you throw a rock at a pack of dogs, the one that you hit is the one that's going to bark at you. Whoa.
You know that one? How many? It's an old saying. A hit dog will holler.
So like. You're hitting dogs? They could.
I'm not personally, but somebody who made up the statement has said that. But it's a classic case of like, he's talking about everybody.
George Carl took it personally because he knows that there's a kernel of truth to it. BFT just goes down to the East River after we record and just grabs a bunch of rocks looking for dogs.
Sorry you don't know common saying, Big Cat Cat. No, I know that, but I don't like to do sayings that talk about hitting dogs.
Rude. Apologize.
I will not. And then do a home run call.
I will not apologize. Do a home run call in the middle of your apology.
Listen, I said some things about dogs that I wish I could take back and Dwight Howard with the inbounds pass. And I think that when you look at it, I wasn't actually saying that about the dogs.
And there's a deep three, and the Lakers are now up by infinity points with 424 left in the fourth quarter. But again, it's not about me and the dogs.
It's about George Carl interpreting that as a slam on him. All right.
So quickly before we get to Fyre Fest, Billy Sheet, he did it. Were you saving the trees now, Billy? Yeah, double-sided it.
Damn. Wow.
Where'd you learn how to do that? Settings. Yeah.
Oh, the IG model who sucked off the suns is getting money? Yeah. Oh, on OnlyFans, maybe $46,000 in a day? In a day.
Hell yes. Get your cash.
Wait, it says that... Yeah, holy fuck.
Good for her. Good for her.
You gotta... Listen, there's...
Opportunity knocks just but once or twice in life, and you gotta to open the door. She also maybe to five or six of opportunities.
Friends. Her fan.
Another benefit that she got was her family disowned her. And so she got fired.
But her job was in her dad's accounting office. That's awesome that you got fired from that.
That sounds miserable. And then you made forty six thousand dollars in a day on OnlyFans.
Good for you. I told Hank this.
But after we talked about the phoenix suns thing on the show on tuesday night you sucked him off i went home and i dreamed about the show that's how fucked up my brain is i dreamed about the show and uh billy was like i said that uh devin booker went first and then hank said that's weird because he's usually a last shot kind of guy and good in the fourth dimension credit credit to h to Hank for invading my brain with one of his good jokes. Good joke.
That was a nice, like, subtle, like, brag that you're dreaming in jokes. No, I dream about the show sometimes, and I wish that I didn't.
Yeah. Yeah.
I probably do as well. You have so many jokes in your head, you have to put them in different people's bodies.
Nice brag. Yeah.
It's a sick brag. Yeah, and then Joe Rogan was sitting next to Hank and he was like that's fucking hilarious dude you ever go hunting for elk we had Bryson DeChambeau do something the very like triple B of him he asked spectators to be quiet because it really bothered him there's like no one there because sound travels big cat you didn't finish the.
He said can you keep it quiet and then he turned back and added, helpfully I might add, because sound travels. This guy.
Do you want me to beat the should I fight him? Yes. I challenged Bryson DeChambeau to a fight.
Rough and rowdy. Rough and rowdy.
Done. Because he's a fucking pussy.
Ah, he might fuck you up dude. Ah, same.
He might fuck you up, but like... Yeah, but you don't have You don't have 15 minutes worth of footage of you working out silently.
Right. You also don't have man strength yet.
I have a lot more. No, you don't have man strength yet.
Like, you're strong, but you don't have man strength. I think I could beat the show.
Okay. You should make a video.
Alright, let's not use the P word pejoratively, Billy. I'd like to apologize.
Thank you. That was actually a test, Billy.
You are a baby. There you go, Billy.
There you go. You are a soy boy for apologizing for that.
There you go, Billy. You failed that test.
All right, let's do a Fyre Fest, and we'll get out of here. Hank, Fyre Fest.
PFT can actually attest to this one. I was longboarding.
Previous Fyre Fest, it broke. I got a new one.
I was dipping home, and I hit a pothole. Pretty much full yard sale went flying.
Scraped up my arms and legs. That's just living the rad life, though.
Yeah. You take risks.
You got the wasted sound effect. Yeah, full on.
There was a really old lady that was like, out of a movie, she came over.

She was like, oh, there's a hospital right there.

I was like, I'm good.

I'm just going to get on my skateboard and keep going.

Hockey top.

She was literally like, do you need to go to the hospital? I was like, no.

I mean, I was like, come on.

Some scrapes.

Some scrapes.

I bike over that exact same pothole every night when I go home.

And it's to the point where I have to stop my bike and drive around this huge thing in the intersection.

So shout out to Blasio. That's probably where he buries all the fucking groundhogs he murders oh by the way i totally forgot that kevin whitey's back i should have mentioned that he is shout out kevin you gotta work out with the jets right the jets probably win a super bowl with him des bryant got to work out with the ravens yeah des bryant they did des bryant i love when old players now des b Now, Dez Bryant was never the fastest guy, but one of his trainers put out a clip of him running against air, and he looked slow.
And it was like, were we supposed to be impressed by that? He's converting to a tight end. He'll be fine.
Yeah. All right, PFT, what's your fire fest? My fire fest of the week is that 750 genetically altered mosquitoes are being released into Florida.
So that shouldn't be a problem. That sounds great.
It violates my one rule of if an idea sounds like something that a movie villain would say as like his grand plot, then don't do that. Just stay away from it.
And when you say 750 million, really you should never release 750 million of anything unless it's dollars in a phoenix hotel room dollars dollars into the bank account to my economy yep um then that's fine but if it's mosquitoes first of all fuck mosquitoes why are they genetically altered so they're genetically altered because they don't want them to breed i did a little bit of background on this and so the the female larvae are going to die but the male larvae will grow, and then they'll pass on the gene that kills all the female larvae. Because I think they want the males to mate with other mosquitoes, which in the long term would kill all the mosquitoes.

You're getting fact-checked.

You're getting fact-checked.

I don't want to be a douchebag, but you got that totally wrong.

Oh, no.

Go on.

Enlighten me, bitch.

So they're releasing 75 genetically altered male mosquitoes. Maybe if you hadn't killed your frog, then all these mosquitoes wouldn't be so terrifying.
Dude, don't do that to Bertha. She lived a hard life of getting fed.
I'm just saying, if there were a few more bullfrogs out there that didn't have gaping in the jaw. Do I actually want to know how it works? It's actually kind of interesting.
Death was a sweet release for Bertha. They're releasing 75 million.
I don't know million. The exact number is on my sheet.
750 million. Out into the Florida Everglades of male genetically modified mosquitoes that will then mate with female mosquitoes, which then they're off.
Half transformers? How do they know that they're all males? Because they engineered them. They have little chips in them.
Because they engineered them that all the female mosquitoes would die. So then all those baby mosquitoes have asterisks because they're like.
Right. No.
So basically there's only going to be male. It's going to be a totally bad ratio dude fest.
And guess what? Mosquito dudes are chill because they don't bite. Oh.
That's why they're doing it. Interesting.
But they just buzz. They still buzz in your ear, which is just as bad.
They should release them all on a Saturday. Just out of spirit.
And guess what? Saturdays are for the mosquitoes. The male mosquito boys.
Total sausage fest down the Everglades. Okay, Bill, you want to do your fire fest? You want me to do mine? I mean, he's...
He can go first. Oh, no, you go.
Are you sure? Yeah. Okay.
Is this a trick? No. Okay.
All right, my fire fest. Billy, you're trying to think of a fire fest.
Yeah. No, I have one.
So I have a puppy that's growing into a dog. What? Yes.
He's getting quite large. And I feed this puppy a lot and i feed it so basically when i make meals i sometimes make my puppy meals as well and uh so like steak sometimes i give him like a lot of my steak anyway he's taking just huge shits shits everywhere on the inside inside so i take him outside you haven't trained him i've trained him but i take him outside for like two hours like we're out there chilling and then i take him inside immediately as soon as i bring him inside he just shits that means you have not trained him he thinks that inside is outside that's 100 not trained also it's a barn so like inside and outside is kind of a nebulous concept for this dog but that's's not trained.
I know, but I don't know what to do. You've got to train your dog.
So I do train him. So I take all the poop and I throw it outside.
No. You need to go outside, and when he poops outside, you give him a treat for pooping outside.
And you don't give him a treat inside. You make it a big deal when he uses the bathroom outside.
I used to, when I first adopted Stella, she actually didn't poop inside, but we had to do the pee training. I got a big thing of roast beef, and every time she peed outside, she got some roast beef.
Never got roast beef for any other reason. It's all about positive reinforcement with your dogs.
Like when you had a fire fest, great job, Billy. Good job, Billy.
Who's a good Billy? Right. Billy, do you want to find one stinky, yeah, like a stinky treat that smells great and it's like, oh my God.
Have a beer. Have a beer, Billy.
Good boy. That's a good Billy.
That's a good rule. Yeah.
But the worst part is, is the flies. So now I have a huge fly problem because there was a window open and he pooped inside and now I have a shit ton of flies in my house.
Again, problems that having an aggressive frog as a pet would solve neatly. Jesus Christ.
All right. And guess and guess what my frog's dead so it can't eat the fly right i feel like there's other animals probably in the barn that are also pooping inside yes they're showing the dog they're like go ahead we do it all the time anyway are the chickens in chickens are outside chickens are outside all right billy all right my fire fest is um i stumbled on the perfect crime, and now I think I'm going to have to go through with it.
So I had Dana and Marty Mush. Dana's been on the show.
Marty Mush came over to my apartment the other day to take a piece of furniture away because they're moving and they don't have furniture. So I gave them a piece of my furniture.
And it's a new building, so I haven't met all of my neighbors. So I'm outside with them.
They're loading this big piece of furniture in an Escalade. I'm holding my son, and a guy walks in, and he gives me a look like, are these guys robbing the place? Because it's Dana and Marty Mush.
And then he looks at me holding a baby, and he's like, no. They wouldn't rob a place holding a baby.
They wouldn't rob a baby. Maybe you're stealing the baby, too.
Well, I'm thinking, like, if we robbed a bank, but I went casually holding my baby, who would ever think, like, this guy's robbing a bank? Like, no, he's holding a baby. Yeah, if you're wearing a Bjorn, and inside that Bjorn, you've got, like, an extended mag.
Find the flaw. Yeah.
I think I need to get into a life of crime using my son as like pretty much. Everyone.
Yeah. As a prop.
If you're as a fall guy, I think I will be a fall guy. If you're wearing scrubs, too, that helps.
No one ever thinks that a nurse or a doctor is robbing a place. It was like I can't charge someone that young.
Right. And he the guy looked at me and he was like this guy because they do.
Marty and Dana do look like they would be robbing someone. and they were like struggling to put it in the back of an escalade and it was like what's going on here and then he saw the baby he's like nah they're he's he's he's a dad he can't steal yeah that's great i mean so i have to know that now back in the day how people would have kids and they'd make them work for them on the farm this is it your kid just like take them with a convenience store and work.
Should we try it tomorrow? Family crime syndicate. Yeah.
Well, no. One of you walks in and just grabs something and we're like, no, we're just sitting here with a baby.
Like, who's going to stop? No one would ever suspect that. No one would.
Also, I mean, you could have your son just like hand the teller at the bank a note saying like we're robbing him. Then technically your son was robbing.
Right. And your only crime was being a bad father father right well or a good father if you want to spin zone it yeah that's true adrenaline getting hooked on adrenaline at a young age it's important to have hobbies as well um all right that's our show can't trace a kid's handwriting that's also true yeah we've tried it with hank yeah all right that's our show we'll see everyone on monday.
Have a good weekend. More sports.
More sports. What's the Chuck Borden? Sports, sports, and more sports.
No, sports at seven. More sports at seven.
Chuck Borden, sports at seven. That's a pig snag.
$1,000 play Barstow on Monday. Yeah.
Yes. Boom.
Cornhole. And we got a big guest coming on Monday as well.
Huge. So get excited.
Huge guest. Love you guys.
Billy, your final thoughts? On Monday, you're going to find out that I was offered a job at a very prestigious firm. You'll find out on Monday.
It's going to be very interesting. And I'm wondering if I should take it.
Tune in. Monday.
Billy actually does want this job.

When the person left, Billy was like,

should I go up and ask him for a business card?

I said, definitely you should.

I'm joking.

Love you guys.

I'll never leave you.

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