Drew Rosenhaus, Washington Football Team President Jason Wright And Thom Brennaman Does A Call

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Speaker 4 huge interview with the shark Drew Rosenhaus. We get to the bottom of what it's like to be an NFL agent.
And then we also have

Speaker 4 super agent. And then we also have Jason Wright, president of the Washington football team.
Great interview with him as well.

Speaker 4 Probably, Jake Marsh pointed out, probably the two smartest guys we've ever had on the same show. We had Marlinsman and foul ball guy.
I was going to say Lenny Dykstru and Mr. Portnoy.
That also true?

Speaker 4 So maybe the second, the second pick. We had Acon and Joe Montana last week.
Just Akon. Martin Skrelly.
Martin Skrelly. That's true.

Speaker 4 Awesome, awesome two interviews, though.

Speaker 4 Highly, highly recommend it. We have NBA playoffs.
The Caps have been eliminated. We have Firefest of the Week.
Wait, what? Well, the Caps have been eliminated.

Speaker 4 I guess the Blackhawks have been eliminated, too. Although I said that at the end of last show.
So Sargon Sorrows?

Speaker 4 Sure.

Speaker 4 Okay. I didn't say sure.
I'll address that. Sure.

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Billy will get wet.

Speaker 4 Yeah, tomorrow, Billy.

Speaker 4 We'll see you here. I also like Big Cat how you just recommended, you highly recommended listening to part of my take on part of my take.
Well, the two interviews.

Speaker 4 Sometimes people are like, oh, I don't know who Jason Wright is. Well, I highly recommend it.
Drew Rosenhaus. Oh, maybe you're a huge Antonio Brown fan.
No, I highly recommend it. Both.

Speaker 4 There's definitely one

Speaker 4 super fan Antonio Brown fan listening to this right now, being like, Drew Rosenhaus, skip. It's probably Antonio Brown listening to it.
A.B., what's up? You're going to want to stick around.

Speaker 4 I know you want to hear Drew, but stick around and hear Jason Wright because maybe you'll sign with the Arwood. Yeah, he actually followed me today.
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Speaker 4 From the bottom of my heart, I'm so very, very sorry. I pride myself in thinking of myself as a man of faith as there's a drive into deep left field by Castellanos, and it'll be a home run.

Speaker 4 So that will make it a 4-0 ball game. Thompson.

Speaker 4 An all-time apology. It was definitely shades of the Chris Berman pun his blog.

Speaker 4 He was from back in 2013, right, with Ray Rice, that whole thing.

Speaker 4 Hats off to him for being a real pros pro and continuing to do his job in the middle of his apologies. Why did he have to say that? Yeah, so if you're living under a rock,

Speaker 4 Thom, I like to call him Thom, I have hated him for a very long time, but he had a hot mic situation where he used a homophobic slur and probably is going to lose his job. And

Speaker 4 before the game. The craziest thing was a doubleheader.
So the craziest thing that happened was he's calling the game, not realizing he's trending on Twitter and his career is probably over.

Speaker 4 And then around the fifth inning, they said, hey, Thom, we're going to need you to do a quick apology here. Got into his heartfelt apology.
And then

Speaker 4 Castellanos hit a home run in the middle of the apology, and he did not break his tone whatsoever. Just called, you know what? Play the clip.
Play the clip.

Speaker 7 I pride myself and think of myself as

Speaker 8 a man of faith.

Speaker 8 As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos, it will be a home run.

Speaker 8 And so that'll make it a 4-0 ball game.

Speaker 7 I don't know if I'm going to be putting on this headset again.

Speaker 8 I don't know if it's going to be for the Reds. I don't know if it's going to be for my bosses at Fox.
I'm going to apologize for the people.

Speaker 4 And that is Thom Brennan.

Speaker 4 I actually was watching it live because I... I hate him.
He is one of those guys, you know,

Speaker 4 announcers, it's usually only in baseball that really despise your team.

Speaker 4 So whenever the Cubs are kicking the shit out of the Reds, I will watch the Reds broadcast just to listen to Thom bitch and moan.

Speaker 4 To listen in on his misery. To just salt the salt.
That salt in his tone.

Speaker 4 Anytime like a big heartbreaking play happens, like the end of that Oklahoma State game a couple years ago, I like more than anything listening to when they put the opposing team's call on Twitter.

Speaker 4 Like they do the highlight reel, and you have to listen to just like kind of stunned silence for a while. It's the ultimate petty sports fan thing to do.

Speaker 4 I also do it with press conferences, like when the Badgers beat the Gophers this year at the end of the season.

Speaker 4 I fucking logged on to Facebook to watch PJ Fleck give a press conference and name the Gophers co-Big Ten West champions. But Thom, so yeah,

Speaker 4 all-time moment, unintentionally hilarious to call a home run while you're trying to give your deepest

Speaker 4 apology to the nation. Well, it wasn't really an apology to the nation.
It was more an apology to his bosses and being like, I hope that this isn't, this is just see you later.

Speaker 4 It's not goodbye forever.

Speaker 4 Maybe if I nail this call and I continue my professionalism throughout my apology, they'll bring me back. Now,

Speaker 4 talking about the actual clip at the start when he dropped the hard F,

Speaker 4 he wound up. That was one of the hardest Fs I've ever seen.
Oh, yeah. That's a guy that uses the hard F multiple times a day.
He took like a deep breath. It came from.

Speaker 4 It was like a Johnny Quato-like wind-up before the f came from his his soul the bottom of his ball sack yeah it was it was a just hardcore f that he hit um i think that uh in the aftermath you hear a lot of people talking about how he uttered a slur this wasn't an utterance no no and i always think that that's funny when people say like he uttered a slur you apparently can only utter a slur right no one ever says a slur or lets a slur slip right you utter he did not utter this he's he screamed it with his chest he said it i was thinking it was such a hard f like maybe

Speaker 4 maybe he's in the closet. Maybe this is like a projection thing.
That could be. Maybe he was doing research for an upcoming trip.
He wanted to find his next vacation spot.

Speaker 4 So he's asking Siri, what is the capital of the United States? I mean, he's got, hey, his name's Tom Brennan Mann. Thom.
Thom. Fellas, is it gay to have the word man in your last name?

Speaker 4 His name is Thom.

Speaker 4 Make sure you pronounce that H. Jake, do they teach you how to do apologies if you ever utter a slur on the air?

Speaker 4 Hot Mike, though. In broadcasting school.
Hot mic at all times.

Speaker 4 Always a hot mic, but I think in this situation.

Speaker 4 What are you doing, girl? Why are you laughing?

Speaker 4 What? At what?

Speaker 4 I mean, hot mic or not, that's not something that should be said. Yes, but you are taught always.

Speaker 4 No, it wasn't the hot mic's fault. Right, right.
It just happened in the hot mic. No, that was happening.
He should not have said that with hot mic. We're not going to mic shame this one.

Speaker 4 You have to, Stephen A. Smith, you have to ask what the mic, the provocation of of

Speaker 4 what was the mic wearing? Did it have a windshield on it? Did it have protection? Did it have a peef pop filter? I got to think the mic shouldn't have been there in the front of his mouth.

Speaker 4 The game wasn't even happening at the time.

Speaker 4 What was the mic doing in the booth? The mic was hot, but regardless, if he's sitting in the living room, he shouldn't have been. He's saying that.
Right.

Speaker 4 And we don't want to say that he should say it, but the mic shouldn't have been there. Right.
And

Speaker 4 if the mic's not there, it's not a problem.

Speaker 4 It seemed like the mic was just kind of looking for clout, amplifying the slur.

Speaker 4 Like, oh maybe the mic can be the mic's mic the mic's part of cancel conference it's the white mic clearly yes um all right so that was red's thom brennaman so to conclude they don't teach you how to apologize in journalism no let's hope i never have to but if they should would they tell you to to maybe not call the home run

Speaker 4 i don't know well i think like if anyone's going to employ him again it's like well this guy is a pro

Speaker 4 you might put that on his tape like yo check it out i'm cool under pressure on my way out i did have to apologize once on a broadcast oh for what i was it It was actually Sergius Verse Central Michigan, my senior year.

Speaker 4 Okay. And I'm a big Florida Gator fan.
Oh, no. I was watching on my phone

Speaker 4 in the booth. Jake.
What?

Speaker 4 So unprofessional. They threw a Hail Mary and they got against Tennessee a few years ago.

Speaker 4 So I just screamed. It was arguably.
You cheered in the press box? Oh, my God. No, I was in our booth, so the other press didn't see me.
So you screamed, let's go. Hot mic on Let's Go?

Speaker 4 Because we usually do, it's called Around the Nation. We go scores around the nation, and I'm like, Jake, I need an around the nation check before we get back to more on the studios.

Speaker 4 What was the score that Florida Gators, Tennessee Volunteers get? Funny you asked, Evan. So Florida was up by 10 with five minutes to go.
Tennessee tied it back up. It was 20-20.

Speaker 4 And the Gators rattle off a 66-yard, 63-yard touchdown for the win at the buzzer. Unbelievable.
Gators beat volunteers. Let's go.

Speaker 4 I'm sorry, folks. That's great that your big fuck-up was just rooting for a team.
They try to beat that out of you at Medill. And it was not in Medille.
It was an incredible end to that game, too.

Speaker 4 Did you learn anything from that? That was what Florida? Yeah,

Speaker 4 against Tennessee. You guys remember? Yeah,

Speaker 4 in Florida for that game. Yeah, there you go.
So, Jake, can we workshop this? Like, if you were Tom Brennaman, how would you have handled that apology? Can you call his apology? I mean,

Speaker 4 I don't know. That's an unprecedented thing.
Cassianos hit a home run, though. So he got called that.
Yes. That's a moonshot from Cassianos.

Speaker 4 You can cut up the clip of the actual home run and be like, not enough energy in this home run call. Yeah, was something going on there, Thom?

Speaker 4 All right, so that was that. I'll try to find that clip, by the way, from senior year.
An Unreal, yeah, we would like that clip. An Unreal night on Wednesday night when that happened.

Speaker 4 So we have NBA playoffs. Oh, actually, we should talk.
Do you want to talk caps first?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I'm fine talking about the caps because I think I gained a little perspective throughout the whole COVID crisis.

Speaker 4 And what the Caps have done by putting on a show for my enjoyment, for America's enjoyment, for Canada's enjoyment, really for the world's enjoyment, I think is better than winning a Stanley Cup.

Speaker 4 I think that being in the bubble, staying safe, practicing good hygiene, not spreading the virus around, zero positive COVID tests for the Capitals are their opponents this postseason, which I think is a testimony to just what a great team this is.

Speaker 4 Same number of goals today. Same number of goals.
Well, yeah, Hank, they have families they want to get back to. Okay.
And I think that what they showed today was

Speaker 4 Tom Wilson doesn't have a family. No, I'm sorry.
Well, what the Caps did was they let them score four goals on him so that Tom Wilson wouldn't injure any more of their players. Yes, sir.

Speaker 4 Trying to keep everybody safe. All around.
Trying to limit the amount of ice minutes that the Islanders have to go through. Plus, I'm just very, very happy for Barry Trots.

Speaker 4 Like, this is a great win for Barry Trots. He's really,

Speaker 4 he's a cap for life. Should have kept him.
Cap for life. Our Stanley Cup winning coach.
I'm glad that we were able to share him with a less fortunate franchise like the New York Islanders. So,

Speaker 4 like, 4x the amount of Stanley Cups is the capital. Capitols.

Speaker 4 We can talk about banners that hang from the ceiling all day long. I think the most important banner this year is Everyone's Safe.
Everyone goes home to their family.

Speaker 4 Barry Trots wins. Do you get some part of that banner? Oh, absolutely.
I think with Barry Trots, he's using the information that he learned whilst coaching the Capitals and how to win. Plus, I mean...

Speaker 4 Does it really count this year? No, I said it. It's the easiest year to lose.

Speaker 4 Have your team lose. There's no parade I could go to.

Speaker 4 There's no Stanley Cup celebration.

Speaker 4 i'm i'm not going to drink out of the cup again this year so honestly i'm glad i hope oh yeah because they lost i hope that a new team i hope a new team wins and for all the people that are hard at work making a vetchkin golfing photoshops it's been a dry spell for them recently they haven't gotten to make that happen recently so yeah well they made it last year too yeah they made it last year but that was like that was a rookie game that was a aberration um all right so we had that uh the blackhawks were eliminated as well it's you know hank you're you're left hockey whatever yeah what's left of your team is i think that you've got some really smart players who've accurately realized that being around your family in a time like this is more important than golfing.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Putting on a game.

Speaker 4 The Blackhawks getting eliminated first is actually also great because when you get eliminated first, people just don't even remember. That's true.
It's like, what? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. They got eliminated.
And you were playing with House Money this year, House Money, youngest team, whatever. You didn't need that draft pick.

Speaker 4 We had the NBA lottery tonight.

Speaker 4 Chicago Bulls are going to get Obi Toppin. Very excited.
Who won the lottery? Oh, the Wolves. Why are you so sure of that? I actually don't think we are going to get Obi Toppin.

Speaker 4 I think we're going to get the kid from Israel, but I just know from a blogger podcasting perspective, when you can say ain't no stopping Obi Toppin, it pays for itself.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, those shirts pay for themselves. Being able to say that after a big play pays for itself, like he could suck, but just being able to say that for a couple years, that's worth it.

Speaker 4 So ain't no stopping Obi Toppin, put in the draft. What about like a Mike Myers t-shirt, like an Austin Powers one? It says, Obi Have.
There we go. We could go anywhere with Obi Toppin.

Speaker 4 We also had an all-time

Speaker 4 moment during the lottery. So the Bulls went to four and I went live on Periscope and we're sitting in the gambling cave and a barstool intern was sitting there as well.
Shout out McDouges.

Speaker 4 And he just casually, I was like, hey, I think we're going to get Obi Toppin. And he's like, oh, I had a class with him at Dayton.
We were dance partners in a class. Like, really?

Speaker 4 And he's like, yeah, we were dance partners. And I said, oh, so do you have his phone number? He's like, no, but my ex-girlfriend does.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 McDougal, way to just do that to yourself. If he knows Stoppin Obi-Topping,

Speaker 4 Obi Toppin. Getting some sloppy Obi-Topping.

Speaker 4 I think that if you're picturing, like, what is

Speaker 4 McDougal look like? He's exactly what you picture him. He is.
It's like

Speaker 4 Kevin McDougal. If a Barcelona intern was grown in a Petri dish, yes, that's McDougal's.
Call me Dugues.

Speaker 4 Other bonus lottery news. Yeah.

Speaker 4 We are on a crash course

Speaker 4 for the Ball family to move to Oakland.

Speaker 4 I don't think

Speaker 4 they trade it. They're going to trade it.
Potentially, LeVar Ball dealing with the Golden State Warriors dynasty, which I, I mean, if you're a fan of chaos, you should be rooting for that scenario.

Speaker 4 The Warriors are going to figure out a way to trade the number two pick and

Speaker 4 like Andrew Wiggins for, I don't know, Anthony Davis. Like something ridiculous.
I'll be like, what the fuck? How'd this happen? To be honest.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that would be actually great if Wiggins then went back to LeBron, like after the me basically was like, no, I don't want this.

Speaker 4 Wait, was that how it went? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. No.
You'll have to specify so many times. When he brought back to Cleveland and he made them trade Wiggins for Kevin Love.
Yes.

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NBA Playoffs, the Lakers are back. Yep.
Laker Dan is back.

Speaker 4 They just curb stomped the fucking Blazers. I can't believe that everyone decided the Blazers were going to win this series after one game.
Blazers in five.

Speaker 4 I decided the Blazers were going to win the series after zero games, so I was a little bit ahead of the curve on that one.

Speaker 4 But it was a classic LeBron James game one to game two switch-up where for some reason, I have zero stats to back this up, by the way.

Speaker 4 I feel like LeBron James likes to have people doubt him in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 So he's liable to go out there and lay an egg just to get more fuel on, just to give Skip Bayless a little bit of water in his dish. Be like, here you go.

Speaker 4 Come up with some takes for me so that I can come out game two and smash everybody. It was a no-brainer.
It was a no-doubter that the Lakers were going to come out tonight and win by at least 10.

Speaker 4 It wasn't even LeBron, though. LeBron only had 10 points.
It was Anthony Davis being like, oh, yeah, I'm seven feet and way better than everyone on the court.

Speaker 4 And then just dunking on people and grabbing rebounds over everyone. So it's nice to see A.D.
doing that. Although he did it with the Pelicans.

Speaker 4 But so that I think what we're going to actually have with these NBA... bubble playoffs, because it's been very confusing watching these teams like the Lakers lose game one, the Bucs lose game one.

Speaker 4 I just think we're going to have some fucking great series because you saw the Mavs beat the Clippers.

Speaker 4 And all this adds up to, I've had a thought bubble in my head that I just think the Rockets are going to win the title just so that we can all discount Daryl Murray and James Harden and be like, that's not real.

Speaker 4 It would be the perfect asterisks to

Speaker 4 the Houston asterisk, absolutely.

Speaker 4 I think that there's a pretty good chance that it's a good shooting gym.

Speaker 4 Like we talked about earlier, there's no fans behind to

Speaker 4 distract.

Speaker 4 It's a close backdrop, so yeah, I could see no strip clubs inside the bubble. Yep, that's a bonus for Harden.

Speaker 4 They test them for weird fake illnesses all the time. Harden again skates by on that one.
So, yeah, I mean, I think that the Rockets have as good a chance as anybody out of the West.

Speaker 4 And then out of the East, I still like Hank Celtics. The heat looked good, man.
My heat looked good. The Bucks look good.
The Bucks look pretty good, but I still, I'm not in.

Speaker 4 I think that, you know what?

Speaker 4 I think the Bucs are frauds. How stupid our brains are.
I think they're counterfeits.

Speaker 4 We discount the Bucs just because Hank said the Bucks stink and then they lost game one. And we're like, whew,

Speaker 4 it adds up. I think the Bucks might still stink.
Just because

Speaker 4 Dante had a good game. And Jordan wasn't playing.
Your first name base this week. Yeah, Dante.

Speaker 4 Did you say his last name? DiVincenzo. There we go.
The Delhi sub. He's the Italian sub.
Let it go. Let it go.

Speaker 4 But yeah, they've been great.

Speaker 4 I just, the fact that we get wall-to-wall basketball every day is like this is going to be a harsh come down when we get to the next round and they start doing just night games. And you're like, wait,

Speaker 4 where's my basketball game at one o'clock? Yeah, it's a big fuck you to the West Coast and a big giant, wet, sloppy kiss to the East Coast media elites like us.

Speaker 4 It's fucking awesome to watch these games. I like it a lot.
One note that I had was, did you see what Russell Westbrook was wearing? Yes.

Speaker 4 So Russell Westbrook is copying my band shirts idea just a year later. Again, I'm ahead on that, like I was ahead on the Levi's tag and on the NASA tags.

Speaker 4 But I was wondering how many bags of clothes do you think that Russ had to bring with him to the bubble? A lot.

Speaker 4 He probably gets them shipped. Did you hear the anecdote that C.J.
McCall had 85 bottles of wine in his hotel room? Yeah. 85 bottles of wine.
Well, because he's selling them.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but him and Jaybut are turning this into like a lucrative little side hustle. But they were just talking about moving hotels.
They're like, yeah, they had to move all these bottles of wine.

Speaker 4 We also had a great moment on the broadcast tonight where Jeff Van Gundy, as kindly as he could, just essentially called Mark Jackson a fucking idiot. What happened?

Speaker 4 He, uh, Jeff Mark Jackson, there was one clip of Carmelo guarding LeBron full court, and Mark Jackson was like, see, people say Mello can't play defense. Look at this defense.

Speaker 4 And Jeff Van Gundy was like, I got to say, I agree with the people. Mellow can't play defense.
And Mark Jackson just was like, what? You know what, though?

Speaker 4 Mellow did have that one block at the end of the game, much like he hits his one-three community. Mellow knows when people are tuning in.

Speaker 4 I'm pretty sure that he has like a little Nielsen guidebook on the sidelines, and he knows when the eyeballs are on him, when he can make his one play.

Speaker 4 Mark Jackson also said about, I think it was Westbrook tonight, because Westbrook wasn't playing. He was talking to the officials.
He was like arguing for a foul call.

Speaker 4 And then Mark Jackson was like, see, this is what a teammate does is he communicates with referees even when he's not playing. And Jeff N.
Gundy, again, was just like, okay, Mark. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Like, it's pretty normal for a player who's sitting on the bench to be talking to an official. I'd say them spending all day and night together.
Jeff Van Gundy's had many moments where he's like, wow,

Speaker 4 you say some dumb shit. Jeff Van Gundy's probably the one that's trying to get him a job with the Bulls or the Pelosi.
He's going to leak a lot of stuff, Mark Jackson, to the Pells.

Speaker 4 Oh, God, if the Bulls hire him, I'm going to. No, they won't.
They won't. They won't.

Speaker 4 What if the Bulls get Mello? What? What if the Bulls get LaMello? Oh, LaMello. I mean, I feel like that'd be great for Big Cat to have LeVar Ball in his

Speaker 4 universe. But ain't no stopping Obi Toppin, dude.
Just say it. Ain't no stopping Obi-Toppin.
Like, when he goes off, when he I loved watching him at Dayton, Dayton was a wagon this year.

Speaker 4 Every time he had a good game, ain't no stopping Obi Toppin. And he had a lot of good games.

Speaker 4 All right, I think that's it for everything that's going on right now. Anything we missed? We'll do Billy's list in Firefest after the interviews, but we got two awesome interviews coming up.

Speaker 4 So let's do it. Let's get to Drew Rosenhaus, and then we will have Jason Wright right after him.
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Speaker 4 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is Super Agent Drew Rosenhaus.
Drew, thank you for joining us. Actually, I want to start there.
Are you okay with us calling you a super agent?

Speaker 4 Is that okay?

Speaker 11 You know, that's, I've heard that term before. It's pretty funny, but uh, I prefer, you guys can call me whatever you want.

Speaker 4 It's no big deal. All right, I feel like you're a super agent.
I saw that your nickname was a shark, but I also think that you gave yourself the nickname the shark. Can you confirm that?

Speaker 11 I don't know how that nickname came about. I did have a

Speaker 11 book that was entitled A Shark Never Sleeped or Shark Never. Sleeps.
So maybe that's how I got the nickname, but it's not like I refer to myself as a shark or a super agent either.

Speaker 11 I'm a pretty humble guy, believe it or not.

Speaker 4 Um, you actually, I was gonna say this for later, but uh, I did, I do have a bone to pick with you because you once claimed that you wrestled a six-foot shark, and I actually can't pull up the old tweets or the old pictures, but I had a problem with it at the time.

Speaker 4 I called bullshit on it at the time. Do you remember this?

Speaker 11 Uh, no, it's true. I mean, you can go on YouTube and you can see the video.

Speaker 11 Uh, it's

Speaker 11 If you just type in Drew Rosenhaus wrestles a shark, I don't know if you call it wrestling. I grabbed it.
I grabbed the shark. I grabbed his tail.
He tried to bite me. I was in the keys.

Speaker 11 We were fishing. I did something silly.
I jumped in the water. I grew up in Miami Beach, so I've been around sharks and fishing my whole life.

Speaker 11 It was kind of silly, but no, there's no bullshit on that one, guys.

Speaker 4 I saw the video.

Speaker 4 I wrote it at the time. I blogged at the time.
I think it was probably like 2014. I said,

Speaker 4 the title actually should have read, Drew Rosenhaus touched the tail of a dying shark that was probably hooked on a fishing line for the past three hours until it had no strength left, but keeps tweeting out that he wrestled a six-foot shark.

Speaker 11 Well, I can tell you it wasn't dying in the video. You can see it swim away.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 11 It was on the line for maybe five minutes. And I can also tell you that it

Speaker 11 definitely was a powerful, vibrant shark.

Speaker 4 Okay. But

Speaker 11 there's no exaggeration needed on that one. The video itself maybe doesn't do it justice.

Speaker 11 There's more recent video. I went fishing with

Speaker 11 one of my clients, Jawan Taylor, and he caught a Goliath grouper, probably around 400 pounds. And I got in the water with that bad boy and grabbed him and he wound up smacking me with his fin.

Speaker 11 That's something you can find as well. That ESPN had that on Sports Center.

Speaker 4 so if you you doubt my prowess of wrestling sharks and fish i i have that for my uh resume as well i'm going to do something i rarely do i'm going to actually retroactively call myself a hater okay that probably was a blog that came from spiked hate wherever it may have been i don't know if i had a bad day hadn't had my coffee but i will retroactively rule that i was a hater in that case no problem guys i've got thick skin and i'm i'm very forgiving i would hope so if you're putting your like limbs near a shark's mouth then, yeah, that's probably a good thing to have.

Speaker 4 Well,

Speaker 4 I want to start off off the top, talking about something that's in the news today.

Speaker 4 There were some reports that the NFL was talking about maybe doing a playoff bubble or multiple playoff bubbles.

Speaker 4 And I didn't know if you had been a part of those conversations or what you had heard, but what would your reaction to that be?

Speaker 11 My reaction is I think it's a great idea

Speaker 11 because the bubbles work so well in both the NBA and the NHL and major league soccer. it's kind of a proven

Speaker 11 component here to beat COVID. So I'm all for that.
You know,

Speaker 11 you've got a limited window and a limited number of teams. So I think it's doable.
And there's so much at stake.

Speaker 3 I love it.

Speaker 11 I think it would be effective.

Speaker 11 Let's see where we're at in a couple of months.

Speaker 11 I'm all for that, guys. I got to say, I think the NFL has done an outstanding job up to this point in dealing with this.
I mean,

Speaker 11 you're talking about less than 1% of the guys

Speaker 11 have tested positive since training camp. They've done like 100,000 tests, and it's just been a huge success.

Speaker 11 I think there might be 12 guys on the COVID list right now. That's unbelievable.

Speaker 11 Out of 2,000 some odd players that are presently on NFL rosters,

Speaker 11 I'm excited with the way this this is going. And when I talk to teams and my clients, everyone's confident that a season's going to take place.

Speaker 4 Now, the season is, I think, going to take place as well, but there probably won't be a lot of fans.

Speaker 4 Is that something that you're projecting out that the salary cap might be adjusted and you're telling your guys, like, hey, get ready for this? Because it might be a little different in a year or two.

Speaker 4 We might be feeling some repercussions from a year without fans.

Speaker 11 Yeah, definitely concerned about that and how that's going to affect the salary cap.

Speaker 11 You know, I think the NFL is

Speaker 11 going to pull a rabbit out of its hat and hopefully get a TV deal done here, possibly before we have a new salary cap next offseason. And that would offset any losses

Speaker 11 from the fans.

Speaker 11 So it might be premature to be gloom and doom about

Speaker 11 the future of the salary cap because the NFL is in negotiations with the networks as we speak. And this would be great timing for both sides to get something done.

Speaker 11 I mean, I think the NFL ratings are going to be through the roof and unprecedented based on all the fans that should be watching NFL football coming up here in less than a month.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I can't wait.

Speaker 4 I want to jump back to kind of the beginning of your career a little bit, if we could.

Speaker 4 Like right now, I'm sure that you can, you kind of sell yourself, right?

Speaker 4 If there's somebody that's coming out of college that's going to be a projected top 10 pick, you're probably on that short list. You show up and you're like, hey, it's me, the shark, the super agent.

Speaker 4 You know, you want to sign with me already. What was it like at the start of your career when you were first starting to get players into Miami?

Speaker 4 How did you convince them that you could make them more money in the pros than they were already making at the U?

Speaker 11 Wasn't easy. I was 22 years old when I broke in the business in 1988.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 11 I was a young guy with limited experience. And,

Speaker 11 you know,

Speaker 11 I just told the truth, man. You know, when in doubt, tell the truth.
I share with the recruits that

Speaker 11 I wanted to be an agent very badly because I wanted to help my clients. And I felt like I could do a great job.

Speaker 11 And I really was confident that I had the, you know, the talent to do it based on my legal background.

Speaker 11 And I was a law student at Duke and I had interned with an agency and I just felt like I had what it took to get the job done and and I was just you know kind of uh spoke from the heart and uh I didn't have a lot of success early on but uh fortunately I hung in there and at the end of the day was able to build my resume and build my career who who was the client that uh like the I've made it client, the client that you were able to get that you're like, this guy is going to be great and he's going to set me up for future clients and it's going to be almost a snowball effect from here.

Speaker 11 Well, you you know, very early in my career,

Speaker 11 I represented Marvin Jones, who was the fourth overall pick of the draft

Speaker 11 in the mid-90s. And I also had Warren Sapp as a client in the mid-90s who went on to be one of the great players in the NFL.

Speaker 11 But probably all the way back in 1991, I signed a first-round pick, believe it or not.

Speaker 11 Back in 1991, his name was Randall Hill, and he came out of the University of Miami and was drafted by the Dolphins in the first round.

Speaker 11 And as a guy that was based in Miami, that was a double win for me because I started to build my client base with the Hurricanes and the Dolphins. And that was pretty huge being a South Florida guy.

Speaker 11 I wound up to really, you know, dominating

Speaker 11 in terms of signing over the years a lot of the great Hurricane players and then going on and signing a lot of the Dolphin veterans as well.

Speaker 11 So I'd have to give Randall Hill a lot of credit as kind of a breakthrough guy for me in 1991.

Speaker 4 So after you kind of build out your stable clients a little bit,

Speaker 4 how quickly did you figure out that you are a guy that was going to enjoy being on television? You know, a guy that would not shy away from the spotlight if you had to be there.

Speaker 4 Because I know a lot of agents stay more behind the scenes than you. You're not afraid to do interviews and you're not afraid to, you know, do these press conferences and things like that.

Speaker 4 Did you make a conscious decision that you were going to be more public-facing?

Speaker 11 I do think that early in my career, I realized that in order to compete, I would have to be different and I'd have to take more chances. I'd have to be more aggressive.

Speaker 11 So I kind of stepped outside the box. And while most agents at the time were kind of behind the scenes guys and, you know, shied away from publicity, I sort of used it to my advantage.

Speaker 11 And I was on the cover of Sports Illustrated early in my career and

Speaker 11 used that to sort of as a platform to get clients and was affiliated with things like Jerry McGuire and did a Burger King commercial and ESPN commercial.

Speaker 11 And these were years ago, you know, so no, no question, the media has been

Speaker 11 good to me in that

Speaker 11 I've become, you know, fairly well known publicly, and that's been good for business, I guess.

Speaker 4 Has there ever been a downside to that, though? Has there ever been a guy that you were going after who's like, look,

Speaker 4 I would love to use you as an agent, but you're, you know,

Speaker 4 out in the public eye and maybe they have a stereotype of you as an agent that's too flashy. Has that ever worked against you?

Speaker 11 I think earlier in my career

Speaker 11 that may have been a factor with a few players, but probably not over the past decade because I've really, you know, I don't think I've done as much media over the past decade.

Speaker 11 Certainly a lot less controversial.

Speaker 11 Some of the media stuff earlier in my career was fairly controversial. The next question press conference and some of the

Speaker 11 interviews that I had had to do with tough topics like plexico burris and getting going to jail and things of that nature were tough.

Speaker 11 But I was on Monday Night Football talking about that at halftime. But I think over the past decade, guys, a lot of that I've turned more towards commenting about league issues or

Speaker 11 negotiations.

Speaker 11 It hasn't been as controversial. So I haven't heard any players really use that as a reason not to hire us.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And you've seen obviously a lot change over the course of your career in terms of the types of contracts that players are getting, whether it's, you know, more guaranteed money here or there or some giveaway takeaway on like, you know, some of the injury, injury side of things.

Speaker 4 Where do you see NFL contracts like 10, 15 years from now?

Speaker 4 If you were to look at them, like how much pro how much more progress do you think the players will have made in terms of like maybe getting some

Speaker 4 fully guaranteed contracts?

Speaker 11 Well, I started when I was 22 years old and now I'm 53. I'll be 54 in October.
So 32 years in the business and I've seen the contracts grow incredibly.

Speaker 11 And there's no reason why that won't continue to happen. I think right now we're even in the middle of a pandemic.
You see blockbuster deals for guys around the league.

Speaker 11 Over the last couple of weeks, there's been some huge extensions.

Speaker 11 And, you know, even in the midst of the pandemic, we did an extension for a guy like Darius Slay that made him the highest paid cornerback in the NFL.

Speaker 11 For a guy like Jayvon Hargrave, who went from the Steelers to the Eagles, became the highest paid nose tackle in the NFL.

Speaker 11 I mean, I'm amazed every year with the growth. Kittle just became the highest paid tight end.
He's not our client, but that will grow the market. And we have two great young tight ends in John U.

Speaker 11 Smith and David Njoku who will benefit from that.

Speaker 11 Not to mention oldie, oldie,

Speaker 11 you know, oldie Bagoodies

Speaker 11 who will benefit from that.

Speaker 11 And guys like Rob Bronkowski and possibly even Greg Olson if they decide to play after the season.

Speaker 4 Yeah. So

Speaker 4 I'm always curious this because as fans, you always hear rumors about negotiations and when they start and if a team's getting close. Walk us through this from behind the scenes.

Speaker 4 You don't have to do a specific player, but at what point do you start talking about a contract extension? Like a guy gets drafted, he plays his first two years, three years.

Speaker 4 What point do you at least reach out to the team? Like the guy's playing well, the team likes him. When does the conversation start about a contract extension?

Speaker 11 Well,

Speaker 11 if your client is not drafted and becomes a great player,

Speaker 11 you're able to work on a new contract after their second year.

Speaker 11 So you can actually, if you've got an outstanding player who was an undrafted free agent, some of our best clients. are undrafted free agents like Shaq Barrett, who led the league in Sachs.

Speaker 11 But let's just use a JC Jackson, for for example, who was undrafted coming out of college and has become one of the top corners in the league for the Patriots.

Speaker 11 Yeah,

Speaker 11 I've touched pace with the Patriots about JC, and he's only played two years. So

Speaker 11 for guys that are drafted, you can start talking really and do a deal after the third year. It really depends on your client and their prominence.

Speaker 11 We've done 103 contract extensions, and every one of them has different timing involved.

Speaker 11 But often I get started as soon as a player is eligible after their third year for a draft choice or after their second year if a player was undrafted.

Speaker 4 So, for JC Jackson, for that one, are you talking to Bill Belichick directly or are you talking to someone else in the Patriots organization?

Speaker 11 Well, without getting too specific about JC,

Speaker 11 One thing that I enjoy about the Patriots is I have worked with Coach Belichick on negotiations.

Speaker 11 I've also worked with Nick Casario and talked about contract negotiations. He's basically their general manager.
But

Speaker 11 I've been able to work with Bill Belichick for 30 years now. And

Speaker 11 in many instances, he's the one that I'm working on the contract with. Other times

Speaker 11 it's Nick Casario. But they're both

Speaker 11 guys that I have a lot of respect for and they're very good at their job. And I've been able to negotiate quite a few deals with both of those gentlemen for my clients on the Patriots over the years.

Speaker 4 And in a scenario where you have a player out of college who, you know, you're very confident that you know that this person is going to be drafted highly, how do you decide which player that you're going to go hang out in their living room or go, you know, to the actual draft and sit next to?

Speaker 4 How do you make that call?

Speaker 11 Well, Last year, for example,

Speaker 11 on the first night of the draft, I was with Derek Brown, who we were pretty confident he was going to be the 10th overall pick,

Speaker 11 you know, or the top 10, I should say, and he was the seventh overall pick by the Panthers. I'm talking to teams, so I have a feeling, guys, of where our players are going to be drafted.

Speaker 11 On day two, I was with Josh Uche, who was the second round pick of the Patriots. And I was pretty confident that Josh would be drafted.

Speaker 11 in the second round based on my discussions with the teams and the interest that they had in those players. So where I am on draft day really depends on what the teams are telling me.

Speaker 11 I've got partners, my brother Jason, Robert Bailey, Ryan Matha. They'll go and stay with players as well.
So we're with all of our clients during the draft.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but if you show up, the player knows like something's going to happen.

Speaker 4 Now, have you ever been in a situation where, let's say, a player might start to fall and you know that you're on television, you know that those cameras are hitting you, whether you're in that player's living room or whatever it is.

Speaker 4 Have you been in a situation like that and you're like, you know what? I got to start taking fake phone calls. So it looks like there's a lot of interest in your client.

Speaker 4 You just like pick up the phone and talk to nobody.

Speaker 11 It's funny you mentioned that. If you guys do your research,

Speaker 11 Google Willis McGahey and Drew Rosenhaus. And

Speaker 11 what happened with Willis McGahey is exactly what you just said. Wow.
He wasn't drafted

Speaker 4 yet,

Speaker 11 right? And ESPM was at my house and they kept showing me and Willis, and we were waiting for a call. So

Speaker 11 I call Willis McGehee

Speaker 11 and I'm on the phone with Willis and Willis is on the phone and all these teams start calling me and saying, wait a minute, Drew, who's Willis talking to? Is he about to get drafted?

Speaker 11 We're thinking about taking him in the second round because everyone knows players don't get on the phone during the draft. Well, I wasn't specific.

Speaker 11 I didn't say he was on the phone with me, but the inference was that he was probably on the phone talking about uh getting drafted and he wound up getting drafted in the first round to the surprise of a lot of teams and i think a lot of people felt that that particular technique of me calling willis being on the phone with him while he was on espn later turned out to be a pretty good strategy and the bills drafted him with the 23rd pick in the first round i'd imagine that uh that's a great story and i'd imagine that type of scenario happens often maybe not exactly on the draft day, but in your dealings with the league, because there's nothing like NFL teams' secrecy and scared of what the other teams are doing.

Speaker 4 I'd assume you're able to be like, hey, listen, I'm talking to a lot of people. And then everyone kind of drives up the price because they're all crazy.

Speaker 4 Every NFL franchise is kind of crazy in that way. It's a special league like that.

Speaker 11 It's a very competitive league.

Speaker 11 And I try and use that to our advantage.

Speaker 11 I have to operate with integrity, guys, because I've been doing this for a long time. And I represent a lot of players in the NFL.
And I have to work with all 32 teams. And they're not one-off deals.

Speaker 11 It's not like I can burn a bridge. I'm going to be dealing with the team again.
So I cannot just fabricate stuff or make stuff up or I'll have no credibility. But there are times that you obviously,

Speaker 11 you know,

Speaker 11 you can be aggressive in terms of stretching. And I've done that from time to time.

Speaker 4 Has there ever been, and and you don't have to name names, but has there ever been a time where,

Speaker 4 not to your fault, but just the fact that the player maybe didn't perform to the level that they got paid,

Speaker 4 it maybe momentarily burned a bridge where a team was like, we're not going to deal with you for a year or two or something like that. Has that ever happened?

Speaker 11 No, I don't think the teams blame the agent if a player doesn't play well. It's not my fault.

Speaker 3 If

Speaker 11 I'm a hard negotiator, right, and I agree to a good deal with the team and then the player doesn't play well, they're not going to fault me for that.

Speaker 11 So I haven't had that issue.

Speaker 11 I really haven't burned a bridge with clubs.

Speaker 11 That's why I've been able to do this for as long as I have guys and represent about 100 active clients in the NFL at this time.

Speaker 11 I go out of my way to be aggressive for my clients and fight for my clients and get everything I can for them, but also maintain a relationship with the teams that involves honesty and integrity and fair communication.

Speaker 11 I think it's important. You can't just go out there and be a warrior and burn every bridge.

Speaker 11 You'll be out of the business in no time because your clients, they need an agent that can communicate with the teams. Negotiation is just one phase for a player.

Speaker 11 Often it's communicating about an injury or about the draft or about a trade or how a player is performing, what he needs to work on. My job isn't just to negotiate contracts.

Speaker 11 I'm involved in a litany of things that involve me having to have a respectful relationship with clubs so I can operate on my clients' behalf.

Speaker 11 If I'm just this, you know, insane,

Speaker 11 let me just at all costs negotiate contracts. That's not in my client's best interest either.
I haven't had a holdout in a long time, probably a decade.

Speaker 11 So I've been able to

Speaker 11 get things done and

Speaker 11 effectively negotiate

Speaker 11 a thousand NFL contracts over the past 10, 15 years without having any real acrimony with any given NFL team.

Speaker 4 That's not very shark-like of you, though, Mark. That's more,

Speaker 4 that's more like a dolphin. Yeah.
That's like the dolphin. Yeah.
How do you like that nickname?

Speaker 11 Call me, you know what? I would say

Speaker 11 at times I'm a shark.

Speaker 11 At times I'm a porpoise.

Speaker 11 You know, you have to be, you got to be flexible, you know. At times, I'm a fish and a mammal.
And I'm sure there's a lot of other descriptions that I've gotten from teams. Like,

Speaker 11 who knows? Yeah. But

Speaker 11 what I will tell you is I take my job very seriously, guys. And

Speaker 11 it's a big responsibility. to represent players.

Speaker 11 It's not a joke for me as we kid around with

Speaker 11 acronyms for me of a shark, a porpoise. I've got guys whose lives depend on me to be a professional, to recommend things that are in their best interest.
The NFL is a short lifespan.

Speaker 11 Guys are dependent on you to give them right advice, to be a professional. And I take it very seriously.

Speaker 11 And for whatever, you know, my public persona is,

Speaker 11 the one thing that I can tell you guys is the most important thing to me is I always do what's in my clients best interest and I work very hard to be professional at this.

Speaker 11 I study, I'm prepared, and I try to be a consummate pro

Speaker 11 every step of the way because my clients deserve that. So do their families.

Speaker 4 How have you dealt with, you know, you've been doing it for so long now, like you said, started in 1989. Social media has changed everything.
Do you do social media courses with your clients?

Speaker 4 How do you approach that when a guy gets drafted or when you officially sign someone as being a client at Rosenhaus? How do you talk to them about social media and how they deal with all that?

Speaker 11 I'm frequently discussing social media with my clients. And the easiest way to explain social media to my clients

Speaker 11 is whenever you post something, just assume it's a press conference.

Speaker 11 It's just like you getting up on a podium in front of the whole media and making a statement because everyone follows you on social media. People follow everything that you do.

Speaker 11 And that is what I say to my clients. Be aware that whatever you do on social media,

Speaker 11 it is equivalent to doing an interview and millions of people could potentially see it.

Speaker 11 So from my standpoint, that's the type of conversation I have.

Speaker 11 Remember, when a lot of our clients get to us, they've been through college, so they've talked about about this with their college coaches.

Speaker 11 Many of the guys get this conversation from the NFL teams as well. So there is an awful lot of

Speaker 11 education that takes place before it even gets to me and my interaction with an athlete.

Speaker 4 What about when you get a deal done for one of your clients? And let's just say it's a big deal, like a Rob Gronkowski level type thing.

Speaker 4 When you sign that contract, do you have Ian Rappaport and Adam Schefter on the same text thread with each other? Because

Speaker 4 they tweet this news out within 30 seconds of each other. And I'm pretty sure that the agents just copy both of them at the same time.

Speaker 11 Well, guys, I'm not in a position to reveal my sources or talk about my relationships with any reporters.

Speaker 11 But in general, as an agent, I do think

Speaker 11 it's helpful to get along with the media.

Speaker 11 There are guys nationally that I have a lot of respect for,

Speaker 11 including one of your good friends and Mike Florio.

Speaker 4 Yep.

Speaker 11 You know, I have a good relationship with Mike and Pro Football Talk. And

Speaker 11 really, I'm responsive to any reporter that reaches out to me. I try to treat them all with great respect.

Speaker 11 I try to get back to everyone, even if it's a can't comment or I can't help you with this.

Speaker 11 But certainly

Speaker 11 I can't divulge the secrets of my my

Speaker 4 practice. I will say, I did reach out to Mike before this interview.
I was like, hey, you got any juicy stuff I can press him on? And Mike responded, no, he's a good guy. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So, I mean, that's, listen, you guys, it sounds like maybe he's on, he's your first guy that you text.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 11 I'll tell you this, you guys have done a heck of a job. I mean, it's remarkable to see the growth of

Speaker 11 your podcast and

Speaker 11 your broadcasting careers.

Speaker 11 And it's fun to see, you know, I love this element of our business that there's so much opportunity surrounding sports and commentating and there's great content for fans and you don't have to you know just turn to espn or nfl.com and uh you guys are an inspiration to a lot of people out there that that you can go outside the box way to butter us up i take my hat off way to butter

Speaker 4 way to butter us up so so in releasing the contract news

Speaker 4 you got to stay ahead of the curve because i think people are starting to catch up to this. I talk about it all the time.
When that initial news comes out, it's always like fake money.

Speaker 4 They're like, oh, this guy signed for five years, $200 million. Then they look at it and they're like, well, they could cut him after a year and a half and it's only like 20 million guaranteed.

Speaker 4 So how are we going to stay ahead of the curve? Because I think people are catching up to that first tweet is always like, wait a second, let's get the real numbers here.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of inflating anything because all that's going to happen is the media is going to come back a day later and say, wait, this deal isn't what it was cracked up to be.

Speaker 11 So I'd rather just give

Speaker 11 the facts.

Speaker 11 I think if you spin it, it's going to come back to bite you on the rear end. So I'm not a huge fan of

Speaker 11 playing that game where you make it seem like it's better than it is. because that only goes so far.
And

Speaker 11 I'm pretty straightforward when it comes to breaking down deals and talking about them when I do, because I don't think it's beneficial for my clients to put out an inflated or exaggerated contract and then it's just going to get assassinated or dissected the following day.

Speaker 11 I don't want to put my clients in that position. You know, it's exciting.
for them to sign a contract. There's no need to, you know, to fabricate or,

Speaker 11 you know, kind of embellish on what these deals look like.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Go ahead.
I was going to say,

Speaker 4 one of your most famous clients is Frank Gore. And I was just going to let you know that I appreciate Frank Gore.
He's been around for what, 15 years now?

Speaker 4 For you as an agent, that must be like an incredible guy to have on your roster, which is every year you're like, is Frank going to retire? And no, he's going to come out and rush for 900 yards again.

Speaker 4 We're going to take another bite of that apple this offseason. So how many more years do you think that Frank's got left in him?

Speaker 11 Well, Frank is going into his 16th season, which is amazing for a running back in particular. And Frank is the third all-time leading running back in NFL history.

Speaker 11 And one thing that has established Frank is an all-time great guys is he loves the game and he's a very hard worker.

Speaker 11 And I think Frank loves the game so much that he'll keep playing this game until he's told by all 32 teams that there's no job for him. I really do.

Speaker 11 Frank loves professional football. He loves to compete.
He loves to play. He's a rare competitor.
I don't think Frank will retire out of his own recognizance until the opportunities have dried up.

Speaker 11 And really, at this stage of his career, you got to take it one year at a time. And maybe it's a big year for the Jets, and I hope he does with Reunited with Adam Gase.

Speaker 11 If he has a big year, I wouldn't be surprised if he played again in 2021. But it's got to be one year at a time right now for him.

Speaker 4 I've always been curious this. You have a ton of different clients.

Speaker 4 How do you decide who, like who you're rooting for? And after, let's say, the Super Bowl, you got clients going up against each other.

Speaker 4 Do you talk to the loser first or you try to talk to the winner first?

Speaker 4 How do you always break that down? Do you have a protocol or is it by feel?

Speaker 11 I think it is by feel, guys. I think it is by feel.

Speaker 11 Usually I will talk to the winners first because they're in a good mood and they're happy and they're receptive and they're glad to see you. A lot of times guys need to cool down after a loss.

Speaker 11 If I'm on the field after the game or in a locker room though, whatever order I see my clients win, lose, or draw, I'm going to talk to them.

Speaker 11 But if I'm in a position where I have to go to one locker room or another, typically I'll give the guys that have not won the chance to compose themselves and kind of get over.

Speaker 11 the bitterness of defeat.

Speaker 11 They probably don't want to hear from me right after a game when you lose. When players win,

Speaker 11 they're ecstatic to see you, and

Speaker 11 it's more welcome.

Speaker 4 So, how do you decide who you root for? Are you just rooting for your clients? You're basically like, I just hope all my clients do awesome, and that's it.

Speaker 4 Or do you even have, like, if Frank Gore's in the Super Bowl and he's up against. Oh, he's on the Jets.

Speaker 4 Okay, well, yeah, so we'll suspend all belief. If Frank Gore's in the Super Bowl this year and he's up against,

Speaker 4 let's say, Gronk, so it's jets versus bucks are you somewhat like deep down being like i really want frank gore to win this because gronk has a few super bowls to his name and frank doesn't have any um you know guys i that's that's a brilliant question thank you and and although i'm an agent i am a human being and i i care about my clients i have to really tell you that uh

Speaker 11 I've grown to be very neutral over the 32 years that I've been in the business.

Speaker 11 You learn to kind of put your emotions

Speaker 11 in a box with the games, and you just, you're satisfied with your players coming out of the game healthy and hopefully playing to the best of their abilities. I don't root for teams in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 11 If Bronc and Frank went against each other, may the best man win.

Speaker 4 This is basically the next question answer. You're just doing a next question answer.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, no, I'm just, yeah, I really. Give us the next question.

Speaker 4 give us the satisfaction of saying next question.

Speaker 11 Next question. There we go.

Speaker 4 I think I know what you want to say. And from your mindset, you have to, you look at the NFL like it's your giant fantasy team.

Speaker 4 You've got all these different players, and you just root for their stats.

Speaker 4 And so if it's Frank Gore against Gronk at the Super Bowl, you're hoping that both guys get three touchdowns. That was the most diplomatic diatribe you were about to go on.

Speaker 11 I'm pretty good. I'm pretty good at the diplomacy at this stage in my career, but

Speaker 11 it's hard. I mean, you're emotionally attached to all your clients.
And believe me, I've seen guys get injured game after game.

Speaker 11 So after 32 years of gut-wrenching pain as an agent watching these games, because I've seen Gronk blow out his knee. I've seen Gronk have a concussion.
I've seen Gronk break his forearm.

Speaker 11 I mean, you know, I just want to see these guys come out healthy and play well, honestly.

Speaker 11 Whether they win or lose,

Speaker 11 you know, I'm kind of calcified at this point on that.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 What about fantasy football, though? Do you play fantasy?

Speaker 11 Definitely not, because I think it'd be, you know, a little bit of a conflict of interest.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yep.

Speaker 11 Right. I could just play a team with my clients, but that wouldn't be fair.
So I don't play fantasy football.

Speaker 11 One of the tough parts, guys, is when I grew up here in Miami, I was a huge Dolphin fan, huge Hurricane fan.

Speaker 11 Like you would not believe.

Speaker 11 And I can tell you very frankly that I miss

Speaker 11 being a fan.

Speaker 11 I miss being a Dolphin fan or Hurricane fan because now I just root for my clients. and I'm not able to be a fan anymore.
I can't play fantasy football.

Speaker 11 I can't just sit back and watch a game and cheer when the team scores a touchdown.

Speaker 11 Now I'm analyzing every play, play, wondering if my clients are playing, why this guy didn't play, why he missed the tackle.

Speaker 11 Yeah, being an agent is a lot of fun, but I will tell you, when you become an agent, you football is now a business and not fun

Speaker 11 like it used to be. So that's the only downside.
I see so many people say to me, I love football. I'd like to be an agent.
Sometimes I just want to tell them, it's a great profession.

Speaker 11 I love what I do, but you lose the innocence of being a fan, which is a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 So, you've had it happen a couple times that I know of, but maybe more times than

Speaker 4 throughout your career, but you've had to cut ties with clients. So, basically, the reverse of a client firing an agent, Antonio Brown, Johnny Manzel.
How does that

Speaker 4 get to that conclusion? Is it like you tried, you tried, you tried, and nothing changed?

Speaker 4 Or, you know, what exactly happens when a Johnny Manzel or Antonio Brown situation, you have to cut ties with clients?

Speaker 11 You know,

Speaker 11 rather than shedding light on those two cases in particular, out of respect for them, and I want to rehash tough times for either one of them.

Speaker 4 Fair.

Speaker 11 I think that the answer is this.

Speaker 11 In general, my philosophy, man, is to stick with my clients as long as I can.

Speaker 11 As long as I'm effective, as long as my advice is being appreciated, as long as the client respects me and I'm effective at what I'm doing, at the point in time where the client no longer cares for my advice or my recommendations, or

Speaker 11 we're in conflict in terms of what a player should be doing,

Speaker 11 there's just no point in continuing that relationship.

Speaker 11 So for me, if I ever get to the point, past, present, or future, where I have a client that

Speaker 11 repeatedly disregards my counsel,

Speaker 11 we don't share the same philosophy on how they're approaching their life and their career. What's the point in having me as the representative? And if they're not going to cut the cord, then I will.

Speaker 11 Because there's other agents out there that they might have

Speaker 11 a better connection with at that time. So,

Speaker 11 I mean, representing players is a very important job. And if I can't contribute and be important in a player's life, then I shouldn't be that player's representative anymore.

Speaker 4 That makes sense.

Speaker 4 And one of the great magic tricks that you pulled, and I think it's been done a little bit recently, not just with Antonio Brown, but also this offseason, we saw it with Jamal Adams, where a player is not happy for whatever reason on the team that they're on, and they want to be traded.

Speaker 4 They're not a free agent. But in my head, last summer, I reached the point where I thought that Antonio Brown was a free agent.
It seemed like it was a free agency period for him.

Speaker 4 And how do you exercise the little leverage that you have with a player that's under contract to try to steer them to a team that they kind of put on their pre-approved checklist?

Speaker 11 It's a slippery slope. in that, you know, the teams really don't want a player to be on their club that doesn't want to be there.
You know, that's not productive.

Speaker 11 If you've got a a guy that doesn't believe in that organization, doesn't believe in that coaching staff,

Speaker 11 doesn't want to be in that locker room,

Speaker 11 that is counterproductive.

Speaker 11 So if you get to that point with a player and that player doesn't want to be there to that extent, you really should trade that player. And that's not as much of a magic trick as it is unfortunate.

Speaker 11 Because the downside is that when a player is that unhappy with the team and motivates a team to trade, that's not the best for a player's reputation moving forward either.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 11 And it's not the most conducive thing to their relationship with that new team or any other team. So I'm not, you know, I'm not,

Speaker 11 I don't think that that's anything brilliant or a magic trip trick.

Speaker 11 It's, it's, it's unfortunate for everybody involved when you get to that point because it does have a negative effect on everybody in some capacity.

Speaker 11 Remember, these guys have relationships with players and when they get traded,

Speaker 11 I mean, those relationships, in many respects, they suffer, you know, with coaches, with players, and

Speaker 11 that's not fun.

Speaker 11 We had a client and Darius Slay that got traded and he didn't leave on the best of terms, but that was hard on him because Darius really cared about a lot of people in that Lions organization, but it was time for a change.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 11 that was a win-win for everybody at that point in time.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Magic Trick's probably not a great choice of words. It's more, that's on me inside my own head where my dumb brain was like, oh, he's a free agent now.

Speaker 4 Like at times, I thought that he was because there were so many teams that were interested. But if it's a player that

Speaker 4 says publicly or privately to the organization, here are like the four teams that I would like to go to, do you have any leverage at all to make that happen?

Speaker 4 Or is it just you counting on the GM to like do your player a solid and try to put him in a place where he's happy?

Speaker 11 I think when you've got a client who's under contract, you don't have a ton of leverage as an agent because it's really up to the team to decide how they want to trade the player for what terms to what team.

Speaker 11 The leverage that I have is just to be professional and communicating with that team and share with them what we believe is in our clients' best interest and in the team's best interest to try and find a scenario where everybody wins.

Speaker 11 The trade is beneficial for the player and beneficial for the team that acquires the player and beneficial for the team that trades the player. That's what I'm trying to accomplish.

Speaker 11 And I guess the term leverage really applies to

Speaker 11 using my experience. I've been an agent longer than any other general manager.

Speaker 11 by a wide margin at this time.

Speaker 11 So I try to share with these general managers my experience over my three decades in the NFL and try and encourage them to do what I think objectively will be in everyone's best interest.

Speaker 11 Yeah, and hopefully, that carries some weight.

Speaker 4 Um, Drew, this has been awesome. I have one last question.

Speaker 4 By the way, you are now a recurring guest, so whenever one of your clients is in the news, you have to come on our show to tell us about it, just so you know. No problem,

Speaker 4 um, all right, so

Speaker 4 my last question is: uh, the meundies soft question of the day: go to meundies.com/slash PMT, get 15% off your first purchase. How the hell did you get the Instagram handle at agent?

Speaker 11 Oh,

Speaker 11 I don't deserve any credit for that. One of the guys who works for me, his name is Kyle Lincoln.
He talked to the people at Instagram. We got a lot of clients that we get verified and get handles.

Speaker 11 They were nice enough to give me the handle. I mean, I wish I could.

Speaker 4 That's boss.

Speaker 4 At agent is the greatest handle to have if you were an agent. Like, that makes you the best agent right there.
You should just say that. You should actually just have that on your business card.

Speaker 4 It should just be like at agent. That's it.
That's the only thing on the business card.

Speaker 11 I wish that was the case and it was that easy, but it is a cool handle and I don't intend to change it anytime soon.

Speaker 11 But it has been a lot of fun with that handle.

Speaker 4 What about when you retire? When you walk off into that sunset, are you going to find another agent and sell it to them? One last score.

Speaker 11 I'm sure I'll keep that handle. Why not? You know, even when I'm retired, I'm sure people will still think of me as the agent.
Hopefully, I've left that legacy over all these years.

Speaker 11 I've been doing it 32 years. My goal is to get it up to 50 at least.
And then we'll go from there. We'll see what's next.

Speaker 4 Well, you better hope that nobody grabs super agent because then that would actually make you look worse if you're just agent or shark wrestling agent.

Speaker 4 Shark wrestling agent. Drew, though, this has been awesome.
We really appreciate it. And like we said, you now legally are obligated to come on anytime we ask.

Speaker 11 Be my pleasure, guys. You take care.

Speaker 4 Thanks so much. Appreciate it.

Speaker 11 Bye-bye, guys.

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Speaker 4 Here is the president of the Washington football team, Jason Wright.

Speaker 4 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is Jason Wright.
He is the president of the Washington football team.

Speaker 4 Awesome to have you. You just announced a week ago huge hiring.

Speaker 4 You're the first black president in NFL history.

Speaker 4 Also, I would assume, going to change some culture in Washington football team. Can we start with the culture change and talk about the team name?

Speaker 4 Can we decide that right now? Because I know PFT really wants the Red Wolves, so let's do that right now.

Speaker 3 PFT, I heard you have a dynamic presentation for us.

Speaker 4 I do.

Speaker 4 Is what I heard. Well, I can.

Speaker 3 Some about Colin Powell.

Speaker 4 Powell and

Speaker 11 something roundabout like that that caught my attention, but I didn't quite fully understand.

Speaker 4 I may have said that I would give a colon powell like UN presentation to you, but then I ditched that. I scrapped that because of everything that happened after that presentation.

Speaker 4 So this is just going to be me talking to you one-on-one from a fan perspective. It's the Washington football team now, but

Speaker 4 well, first of all, I'll say if they make the Super Bowl this year, you know, you can't change that, right? Like, it's just going to be Washington football team.

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 that sounds logical to me.

Speaker 4 And I think

Speaker 3 if we go to the Super Bowl this year, I think we will probably just all be kicking it a little bit instead of worrying about things like this.

Speaker 4 Absolutely. But if you do change the name,

Speaker 4 I feel strongly that it should be Red Wolves. First of all, you got Fred Smoot, who really created the movement behind Red Wolves.
He's a fan favorite. He brings up some good points.

Speaker 4 The defense could be called the Wolf Pack. I think that dogs in general are criminally underrepresented at the professional level when it comes to sports mascots.
We do own

Speaker 4 the Water Dogs Lacrosse Club. It's a professional lacrosse team.

Speaker 4 but besides that there are like no dogs at this at the major league level um i think that you could do something like release wolves on the sideline before every game i'm talking about like before the teams take the field yeah

Speaker 4 that sounds highly uh litigious but i i hear you though okay here's the way don't worry here's the way i would do it because we want to tie in conservation as well right we want to be doing good things on and off the field so if you just maybe eight o'clock on sundays before in any home game you put maybe three red wolves down on the field let them walk up and down, just pace the opponent's sideline, let them, you know, pee and poop down there, mark their territory, get the wolves back, take them back to their conservation, and then it's game time.

Speaker 4 Guess what? Now the Detroit Lions are walking around, you know, ankle deep in Wolf Scat. I think that's a good home field advantage right there.

Speaker 3 I like the way your brain operates, my friend.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 3 It's exactly the type. It's exactly the type of disruptive thinking we need to get to a good answer.

Speaker 3 I can make no commitments to to you right now, brother, but consider your application effectively submitted.

Speaker 4 Okay, there we go. We're good.
Hats, gifts. No, no, no, don't keep going.
He's got

Speaker 4 a lot of money. You're right.
Good guidance from your boy. Good guidance.

Speaker 4 He said we've submitted. Okay, submitted.

Speaker 4 Don't give away the free stuff now. I've got a million more ideas.
We're submitting. Save them because then they're going to bring you on as chief marketing officer.
One more idea. No, don't.

Speaker 4 The urinals are fire hydrants in the restrooms.

Speaker 4 That's perfect.

Speaker 4 Oh, God. Jason, you are also the youngest NFL president in history.
Is that also true?

Speaker 4 Not in history. Not history.

Speaker 4 Just currently. Just currently.
All right. So

Speaker 4 how does that work when you're meeting with people and you're their boss and you're a lot younger than them and trying to, you know,

Speaker 4 we talked to Sean McVay. We've had him on a few times.
He talks about how dealing with guys in the locker room and he's their age. How do you get over that?

Speaker 3 I don't think it's something that needs to be an obstacle. And it's also not something I'm unaccustomed to, frankly.

Speaker 3 You know, I've been counseling CEOs for the better part of the last decade.

Speaker 3 There's not a whole lot of 30-something CEOs running around.

Speaker 3 I think you build trust in a few ways. You build trust by being credible, so you know what the hell you're talking about.
You build trust by being reliable. You're consistent.
You follow up.

Speaker 3 You do what you say.

Speaker 3 And you build trust by being personable and making personal connections.

Speaker 3 And I think if I can do those three things, it can bridge any age divide. It can bridge bridge any demographic divide.

Speaker 3 You can connect with folks and I'll plan to bring those to bear.

Speaker 3 And I'm not too concerned about it.

Speaker 4 Now, on the flip side of that, do you think that maybe there's some underestimation that goes on that maybe might play into your hand a little bit? Have you experienced that in the past?

Speaker 3 Certainly.

Speaker 3 That can absolutely, I guess, help you or hurt you. But I tend to be pregenderless.

Speaker 3 I'm not a super Machiavellian dude. I don't have some grand twisted scheme to grab power.
What you see is what you get with me.

Speaker 3 And the thing that excites me about this job and work in general is solving hairy, complex problems,

Speaker 3 really complex, challenging problems and galvanizing a group of people to go and achieve it.

Speaker 3 And so for me, I'm actually just really about solving what needs to be solved and seeing the impact of it. That's what actually excites me more so than, you know, scheming and gaming.

Speaker 3 So you're right, man. It could play into my favor, but I'm just going to let it be what it is.

Speaker 4 By the way, that was a a very thoughtful answer, but the correct answer is you just need to grow a mustache and put on reading glasses.

Speaker 4 And everyone would be like, wow, this guy's really thinking about things.

Speaker 4 That's like the little rascals sitting on each other's shoulders with the overcoat. Yeah, it's really, you know, rock the mustache.
And people are like, wow, this guy's pretty serious about stuff.

Speaker 4 Maybe a bow tie. Yeah.
That usually helps too.

Speaker 3 I mean, I got some grays from my last few years, you know, working in a high-intensity job. So, you know, I just let those come out.

Speaker 4 You do have a pretty big challenge ahead of you.

Speaker 4 Like the the Washington football team is a team that has you know not had the best track record for the last 20 25 years or so Bill Parcells famously said I think when he was hired by the dolphins first thing you do if you want to change the culture you change the carpets so he just like changed everything about like the layout of the place have you thought about like something small like that that could lead to a greater overall shift

Speaker 3 that's actually really insightful no no i hadn't but i actually like that i think the principle there is psychologically we get used to our environment.

Speaker 3 And when you're in that environment, what you see, what you smell, whatever it is, gets your mind in a place where you do things the same old way. So I actually really like that.

Speaker 3 I hadn't thought about that. Something like that to sort of tangibly or physically change the game.
I've been more focused on some of the things that

Speaker 3 are related to what people experience, you know, person to person. You know, we have an independent investigation going on into sexual harassment.
And, you know, I'm familiar with those challenges.

Speaker 3 I've helped other companies move through those. And, you know, depending on where we're at,

Speaker 3 and I don't know if it's better or worse than I think it is outside in, because I have basically the same information as y'all until I start on Monday.

Speaker 3 I know the path to get us to a culture where people are empowered and there's good leaders and the right voices are in on the right decisions and there's transparency and all that.

Speaker 3 That's what I've been thinking about more.

Speaker 3 So, but I actually really like this idea of surrounding that with some more, you know, overt changes that start to shift, you know, what you think it should look and feel like when you come to work.

Speaker 3 I actually really like that a lot.

Speaker 4 So, you played college ball at Northwestern, running back at Northwestern, played in the NFL as well.

Speaker 4 Why, in your estimation, is Evanston the greatest home field advantage at 11 a.m. on a Saturday afternoon? Because it is.
It is.

Speaker 3 I'm here for it, man. I'm here for it.

Speaker 3 Let's see. Let's see.
Where do I start?

Speaker 4 No one's in the stands.

Speaker 3 The intense focus that you are able to achieve. No, it's the beauty of being able to walk on the lake and center yourself before you get out there to play an important game.

Speaker 3 It's the reminder that, you know, maybe the students aren't there as early, but it's because they're about to be world leaders and CEOs and they had a little bit of study into

Speaker 4 our journalists. Okay.

Speaker 3 So, yeah, or yes, or yeah, or running journalism.

Speaker 4 You know,

Speaker 3 we are absolutely the journalism cartel, right?

Speaker 3 So, um, you know, so, you know, it's okay if you didn't show up to the, you know, the first kickoff, you weren't there tailgating three hours ahead if you're going to, you know, run the show.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Okay, well, I'm good with that.

Speaker 3 Good trade-offs.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I have a long-standing belief that it is truly the greatest home advantage in all football. I went to University of Wisconsin.
I'm also a gambler.

Speaker 4 I love to gamble, and I always bet Northwestern, 11 a.m., because

Speaker 4 there's teams that have high school football, you know, kids who played a Texas high school football in bigger crowds than the 11 a.m. Northwestern.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 you can catch teams on, you know, sleepwalking. I mean, Northwestern, it's always when Wisconsin's schedule comes out, you know, Ohio State's gonna be tough.
But if they're playing 11 a.m.

Speaker 4 in Evanston, that's when Northwestern catches teams.

Speaker 3 Hold on, hold on, real quick. I'm gonna get you up off of us real quick.

Speaker 3 You know, in my time at Northwestern, and you'll probably be able to verify this.

Speaker 4 I either,

Speaker 3 I either, no, let's be even, let's take it one step further. I either never lost to Wisconsin or most certainly have a winning record against Wisconsin.

Speaker 4 And I credit

Speaker 3 and I credit my performances against Wisconsin of helping me get to the NFL. So I thank you.

Speaker 3 There you go.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 it was a game at Evanston probably at 11 a.m. So it proves my point.
Boom, we're done.

Speaker 3 I'll say this.

Speaker 3 One of the most fun moments in college football is jump around in the fourth quarter at

Speaker 4 Badger Stadium. Yes.
All right, so I had one more Northwestern question because I do love college football.

Speaker 4 2003 Motor City Bowl MVP.

Speaker 4 Probably the biggest award out there.

Speaker 4 I love that. I love that bowl game because it's always

Speaker 4 like the ninth team in the Big Ten versus the third team in the Mac. What was it like winning that?

Speaker 4 Was that one of the greatest achievements?

Speaker 3 This should actually tell you how well I played in that game. I was the MVP, but we lost.

Speaker 4 There you go.

Speaker 4 That's huge.

Speaker 3 We lost. We lost, but I bawled.

Speaker 3 It was a fun. I mean, you know, college football is such a special thing.
And we're all in our

Speaker 3 split mind of both, you know, understanding, prioritizing student athlete health and safety, along with grieving and missing the experience this year. I mean, it was just a blast.

Speaker 3 You know, what I remember most about the Motor City Bowl and my career in football in in general are like the folks that I hung out with, the staff that I spent time with, you know, sitting with my dad in a Detroit casino gambling.

Speaker 3 Yep. You know, like those, those are the types of things that I remember from that trip, you know, much less the game that, I don't know, my family watched.

Speaker 4 Yeah, the

Speaker 4 second longest Motor City Bowl history touchdown. So that's actually almost better than having the record in the Motor City Bowl.
To be like, you know, this bowl.

Speaker 4 I'll take all of it. I'll take all of it.

Speaker 3 It was a life, it was a lifetime ago, and let's be clear that if I tried to do any of it, I would pull a hand.

Speaker 4 So, so when you got this job, I think it was CBS Sports, they interviewed some of your old Northwestern teammates.

Speaker 4 And one of them said, I think this was off the record, not by name, that he thought that by now you'd be president. So, do you feel like a disappointment because you're not

Speaker 4 under a chief? Yeah.

Speaker 3 No, I do not because

Speaker 3 you know, that's not a

Speaker 3 as I might say in a more casual moment, I'm not about that life.

Speaker 3 I want, I want no part of that life. Um, I actually have

Speaker 3 a bunch of really close friends, Northwestern grads, actually, that are pretty high-ranking in politics. And they've got a composure and patience and thoughtfulness that I could never achieve.

Speaker 3 So, you know, they can have at it.

Speaker 4 Are you worried at all, being a notable Northwestern grad? And there's many of them.

Speaker 4 I'll give you guys credit for that, that Darren Revelle in his basement has like your social security card or like a piece of pizza you ate as like a social.

Speaker 3 I do know that Darren has some paraphernalia of mine.

Speaker 4 College athlete in his basement. Yes,

Speaker 4 actually,

Speaker 3 unless he sold it, unless he's sold it since then, but he did have something years ago.

Speaker 4 Who gives a better pregame warm-up speech, Darren Revelle or Mike Greenberg?

Speaker 4 Oh, wow.

Speaker 4 Gosh.

Speaker 4 It's tough to decide.

Speaker 3 Yeah, can I can I put them together and make it you know this like this, you know, this greeny, highly analytic and then energetic Darren

Speaker 4 slightly erratic delivery?

Speaker 3 Because I kind of want them both

Speaker 4 together. I feel like I can.
Yeah, if you combine them like a like a Voltron, that would deliver the best ad read of all time.

Speaker 4 You get not only the ad read from greeny, but also the analytics of how it breaks down and how many like different trinkets you can buy using that contract from Darren.

Speaker 4 I had a question for you about the team name and how things are like being implemented moving forward. Do you have like an R-words jar that you're going to put in the office?

Speaker 4 So when anybody says the R-word by mistake, you put like 20 bucks in there and then that goes to like paying, I don't know, tampering charges.

Speaker 3 No,

Speaker 3 that's actually probably a pretty good reinforcing mechanism. But no, the name piece,

Speaker 3 and I've said this before, so I'm going to parrot back what I've said before, forgive me, but it's more than a name, right?

Speaker 3 It's actually reestablishing an identity.

Speaker 3 And it's actually a really hard thing to do. And I think if there's anything that I've learned over the past few days, engaging with fans substantively for the first time, this is not an easy task.

Speaker 3 And that's because it's so important and because it means so doggone much to people.

Speaker 3 Because the identity will inform the way that everything that comes out of the building is structured. It's going to inform the way we engage with fans.

Speaker 3 It's going to inform the way that when we do have people back in the stadium next year, that the fan experience is crafted. And then most certainly we're building a new stadium.

Speaker 3 It's going to really influence the design and the feel of that new place.

Speaker 3 It's going to inform what we do charitably in the community.

Speaker 3 And I think actually, if you know, if we get it right, it's also going to inform the way that we treat each other within the organization and in our culture.

Speaker 3 And it has to hit a few things all in concert. And I don't know how it's going to come together, but I trust that the process will get us there.

Speaker 3 It's got to bring some sense of the historic nature of this club since 1932 forward into it. It can't really just be a break-break as though nothing ever happened, right?

Speaker 3 It needs to have all of that historicity in it. It needs to have the hogs.
It needs to have

Speaker 3 the memory of a groundbreaking winning quarterback.

Speaker 3 All of that stuff needs to be part of the go-forward identity.

Speaker 3 But it also needs to have the values and the culture that Dan and Tanya Snyder are pivoting us towards, that Coach Rivera is driving, that they brought me in to drive.

Speaker 3 It's also gotta, it's gotta capture the energy of the fans today, the diverse set of fans that we have today. It's also gotta represent the DMV in a way that's unique.

Speaker 3 I mean, there's so many things that have to be threaded together in this. It's really challenging, but I think the secret is going to be real engagement of the fan base.

Speaker 3 that's frequent, that's meaningful.

Speaker 3 It's going to require us to engage the players, our staff. It's going to mean talking to leaders around the DMV area as well.

Speaker 3 We're going to need a lot of input to get this done and it probably won't land where everybody wants, right?

Speaker 3 There's only one thing you can string together for a name, right? But hopefully everybody at the end of it, because of how we approach it, will be able to see their fingerprints on the process.

Speaker 3 They'll understand. the depth of meaning that comes out in the new identity.

Speaker 3 And eventually, because you know, not everyone going to be on board at the beginning, eventually everybody understands and embraces this new identity and it brings us back together.

Speaker 3 And that's a bit of what we need as a fan base.

Speaker 4 So how big of a priority is it for you to get the team to move back to Washington, D.C. Maybe on the site that RFK stadium was on? Is that something that you discussed in your interview process?

Speaker 4 Or is that something that you personally know is going to be a priority?

Speaker 3 No, that has not been part of the discussions coming up, and I like the way you tried to incept me there.

Speaker 3 I am completely inoculated against inception, my friend.

Speaker 3 I've heard this for the last few days. It's actually really important to a large portion of the fan base to feel like it is a DC-based team.
But I don't know where the location discussions are.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I need to catch up on that when I'm in office.

Speaker 3 But the things that I'm excited about and why the stadium actually is something that I...

Speaker 3 got very fired up about and in talking with Dan and Tana did a lot of brainstorming and wild, throwing out wild ideas about is not just that a stadium is a location where you bring families, it's where the team plays, it becomes a sense of pride and identity for the fan base, but also it's an economic driver for the region.

Speaker 3 And if you look back on like sort of my track record before this, I talk a ton at McKinsey about economic development.

Speaker 3 what it does for communities, how it's able to uplift various types of people and various types of businesses, and the idea of being able to help craft how that capital that goes into the stadium flows to businesses and communities.

Speaker 3 And then what the wealth that's generated from the stadium flows into businesses and communities for me is a bit of the challenge of a lifetime to do it in a way that's aligned with my values and espouses equity in a really beautiful way.

Speaker 3 So that's what I'm excited about. And I know irrespective of location, that's the lens I'm going to bring to it.
But I'm hearing people loud and clear now, my friend.

Speaker 3 There are strong opinions in many directions, but not much stronger than people's desire to see the identity rooted to the district in some way.

Speaker 4 So you mentioned that you're starting on Monday. Have you given your press conference yet? Have you done a press conference yet?

Speaker 3 No, I haven't. I haven't.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 I don't know if I'm a press conference.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you might.

Speaker 3 You guys can advise me. You guys can advise me on what will resonate with

Speaker 4 folks. You need to start with a joke.
So you got to have that ready. I would assume you're going to do a press conference at some point.
So we need it.

Speaker 3 I'm sure it will. I'm sure it will.
But here, I'll tell you what I care about when it comes to media engagement. Because

Speaker 3 I'm agnostic to the format. You want to put me in front of a podium, put me in front of a podium.
Let me be here with you all, which is quite casual and comfortable. That's good too.

Speaker 3 I'm good with whatever.

Speaker 3 But I think what's

Speaker 3 a few things. People to understand clearly

Speaker 3 how the culture that we're creating comes across in the day-to-day.

Speaker 3 And in order to do that, I need to be a bit authentic. I need to pull back the curtain a bit on like what's going on in the building.

Speaker 3 You don't need to know everything that's going on in the building, but you need to know something about it for us to be authentic and credible and really signal a new direction.

Speaker 3 You know, I want to be,

Speaker 3 I want to listen a lot. I want to be in forums where I'm not just talking at people, but I'm also taking in input.
You know, I got an application here today. I got a few other ideas today.
I got an

Speaker 3 attempted inception here today. Like I want to take those inputs.
You know what I mean? I want to take those inputs and I want to listen.

Speaker 3 And so whatever format it's in, I want that to be part of it as well. And then, you know, I want them all to be, you know, focused on moving us forward in some way.

Speaker 3 Not just to look at myself because I can do that in a mirror.

Speaker 3 And it's not just to hear my own voice because, you know, I can do that singing in the shower.

Speaker 3 It's actually about something that moves us towards our goals in some way, communicates something meaningful to the fan base. So I just want to be a little bit action-oriented about it.

Speaker 3 Does that make sense?

Speaker 4 Yes, absolutely. Right off the bat, it's helpful in your introductory press conference if you know what the colors of the team are.

Speaker 4 So, for example, if somebody asks you what color the Redskins are, excuse me, watch a football team, $20 in the R-Words jar, sorry.

Speaker 4 You should not say maroon and black like Jim Zorn did in his first press conference. So it's burgundy.
Is that really what happened? Yep, burgundy and gold. I'm just going to hammer that in.

Speaker 4 Burgundy and gold. That's a good question.

Speaker 3 Yes, understood.

Speaker 4 Understood. Another helpful.
Do you mind if I give you a piece of advice? I don't know if you're not. No, oh, no, bruh, bruh, please, please fire away.
I'm taking notes.

Speaker 4 Okay, so this is a very important thing. You need to figure out, and this is going to be very tough for you because obviously you've got an athletic background.

Speaker 4 You need to find a sport that Dan can beat you in.

Speaker 4 Because I don't know if he'll be able to just like take you onto the racquetball court like he did with Vinny Serrato and like beat beat him, you know, like 21 to nothing, feel good about himself, then go back home.

Speaker 4 You need to find a sport he can consistently beat you at that you always go at. That's a good way for you to maintain that travel.
That's actually really good advice.

Speaker 3 And something,

Speaker 3 you know, something might know about me. There's literally only one sport that I'm good at, and that is American football.

Speaker 4 I

Speaker 3 am actually quite bad at everything else. Maybe track.
I could probably beat him in a foot race, but that's everything else I might get wiped the floor with. So, you know, that's a safe bet.

Speaker 3 That's good to know.

Speaker 4 It's kind of a cool thing to be like, I'm only good at one sport, and I also played pro.

Speaker 4 All right,

Speaker 4 I had one last question.

Speaker 4 Very good. Yes, very, very good.
Elite, I had one last question. So,

Speaker 4 Jason Wright, you went to Northwestern. You were a football star there.
You went to the NFL. You played in the NFL.

Speaker 4 You went and you were a star at, or no, sorry, you went to University of Chicago grad school. You then went and were a star at McKenzie.
You're now the youngest current active NFL president.

Speaker 4 Has anyone just been like, dude, you're kind of a nerd and a big-time overachiever?

Speaker 3 i'm very much a nerd um and i absolutely embrace that um

Speaker 4 because you make us all look bad yeah you can i can't really hide it i mean actually like i mean i have i mean i have i have star wars socks on right now you're making us look bad though that's really what it is

Speaker 3 now i'm i i'm i i am sorry you're i feel like you all are doing quite well on your own so you should just you know maybe it's maybe it's a more of a you know self-reflection thing to realize how much you have actually achieved

Speaker 3 that said you you know, that said, that said,

Speaker 3 I am my own worst critic. So, you know, overachiever is not a label I would apply to myself.
I think there's a lot of room for growth. And this job is going to stretch and grow me.

Speaker 3 And that's what I'm excited about.

Speaker 4 I just see a resume like this. I did the same thing.

Speaker 4 There was a kid who's Scott Harris, who used to work for the Cubs, who was like, I think he became the

Speaker 4 Theo's right-hand man when he was 26. And I wrote a blog being like, what the fuck? Fuck this guy.
He's such an overachiever.

Speaker 4 I just read a resume like yours, and I'm like, how did he have enough time?

Speaker 3 Like, yeah, it's impressive, man.

Speaker 4 It's impressive. You know what it is?

Speaker 3 Like, well, actually, so people say this about sports

Speaker 3 often, you know, yes, there's like work and preparation and all of that, but most things, it's about timing and opportunity. And frankly, that's, that's what it's been for me.

Speaker 3 You know, I chose to, you know, when I

Speaker 3 first break, you know, in the NFL, I, I, it happened because a bunch of people got injured do you know what i mean right and that allowed me to get on the field show what i could do and establish myself it's not i was working hard all the time i was you know being my best self all the time but it took you know a serendipitous moment for me to jump in um you know the it was this the same thing when I chose to retire and go to business school.

Speaker 3 The timing worked out in a way where I got into a career and got experience that led to this. I had enough experience at this moment for this to happen.

Speaker 3 And this whole thing came together, you know, out of the blue. Our networks, my network and the Snyder's network just crossed at the right time.

Speaker 3 So yeah, there's like, you know, you prepared, you went to school, you got decent grades and all of that. And I don't want to downplay that.

Speaker 3 However, a lot of it has to do with just things coming together at the right time. And for that, I'm just grateful.

Speaker 4 Well,

Speaker 4 even through this interview, you've given like three or four answers where I'm like, damn, how can a person be so thoughtful? Like, I just don't have the words that you have in your vocal.

Speaker 4 You got a lot of words.

Speaker 4 How many words? How many words do you know?

Speaker 4 You got so many words, dude.

Speaker 3 I have the best words, man.

Speaker 4 All the best words. And go ahead.
I was just, yo, no, you finished up. Well, I was going to say, and the greatest accomplishment, the second longest touchdown in Motor City Bowl history.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's clearly at the top of the list. I don't know why that's not on my resume, actually.

Speaker 4 Well, I'm rooting for you.

Speaker 4 I want the Washington football team to succeed. I'm sure you've heard this so many times, but that district,

Speaker 4 D.C., Maryland, Virginia, the DMV,

Speaker 4 it's a football community that has longed for a successful football team for the last 20 years. We've had glimpses here and there, but

Speaker 4 if the team can come together, like you are in a prime position, actually, you're kind of buying low in a way. You're buying low.
There's a real opportunity here, and you could be a god.

Speaker 4 You could be a god to people in Virginia, D.C., and Maryland if this succeeds. And I'm pulling for it, man.

Speaker 3 Well, I'll quote Captain America, my nerd side. There's only one God, ma'am, and

Speaker 3 doesn't wear this.

Speaker 3 So I'll pass on that. But

Speaker 3 I will align myself with your aspiration and

Speaker 3 your goal. And that is, you know, Coach Revere has already started a movement that I think is going to get great performance on the field.

Speaker 3 And I will both get us out of his way on the business side and do some things that really make the fans excited excited about it again. That's what I, that's what I owe you guys.

Speaker 4 Well, that's interesting. I appreciate that.
But

Speaker 4 where is the exact line between what your job is and with what Coach Rivera does? Because Coach Rivera, he's taking on more than just a traditional head coaching role.

Speaker 4 He's very intimately involved with the operations of the team. So, like, where is that line where you stop and he starts?

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's super clear to me.

Speaker 3 And that's a good thing, I think.

Speaker 3 You know, rural clarity really helps performance.

Speaker 3 Coach Rivera oversees the football side side 100%.

Speaker 3 That's everything from the players that are selected in the draft to the players that are on the field, the scouts that are on the squad, the trainers that are in the training room.

Speaker 3 Everything that goes on to, that goes into what happens between the lines is Coach Rivera all day.

Speaker 3 And if you think about it in a really simplified way, his metric is wins and losses.

Speaker 3 Me, on the other hand, I run all the business operations that surround it, the marketing, the the sales, the stadium operations, everything that happens just off the grass, anything that happens off the fan experience, anything that happens off the grass, that's in my area.

Speaker 3 And if you think about, if his is wins and losses, mine is

Speaker 3 it's franchise value and dollars and cents, you know, and that's the way to think about our disparate roles.

Speaker 4 Awesome. Well, Jason, thank you so much.
Really appreciate it, man. Best of luck.
And

Speaker 4 good job being

Speaker 4 you you and being an overachiever. And it's okay that you put all of our resumes to shame.
Dude, the world needs people who are just kicking ass like you.

Speaker 4 You know, I feel comfortable saying that you got a position of power. It's like, that's good.

Speaker 3 Received. Yes.

Speaker 4 Received.

Speaker 4 Thank you, sir. Oh, wait, I forgot.
One last question.

Speaker 3 Ah, you tried again. This is a tempted inception.

Speaker 4 I heard the whisper, bro. What?

Speaker 4 You're not going to get me. Your middle name is GoMillion.

Speaker 4 Yes, it is. Oh, yeah.
That's fucking awesome. That's not a bad name either.
Washing Go Millions.

Speaker 4 Damn it. Dude, you're way cooler than everyone.

Speaker 3 Well, I mean, I'm not the one, you know, at work in jeans with my sneaks and feet up. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 That's true. I do.
I am having a good time. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I don't have it like that. I don't have it like that.
I feel like that was an inception to be. Well, he's stopped slacking, dude.
Sit up straight. No, I think that he's incepting you to make you.

Speaker 4 It's a classic trick. He's making us feel good so that we'll be like, yeah, you are, we'll keep complimenting us.

Speaker 4 I know you you can't incept me into future compliments. You're doing a great job.
Yes, yes. I think so.
Maybe get some,

Speaker 4 I'll finish with the dissing. Maybe get some collar stays, dude.
The collar's looking a little wrinkly. The collars are perfectly normal.
There we go. There we go.
Let's go. Let's go.

Speaker 4 Yeah, get some collar stays. Come on.
Get some wireless earbuds.

Speaker 4 Wireless earbuds. Yeah, you're the president of a team.
How do you have wires still? What the hell are you doing? Maybe wear a ticket.

Speaker 4 We're trying to look at it. I'm here for it.

Speaker 4 Serve me that realness. Yeah, serve me that realness.
I like it. All right, Jason, thank you so much, man.
Appreciate it.

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Speaker 4 Okay, let's get to some of Billy's sheet. Then we'll will do Firefest and wrap up the show.
What are you going to say, Hank? George Carl, this league closed his edition.

Speaker 4 But did you see what Mark Jackson actually said? Yeah, he didn't actually go at George Carl, really. He didn't say anything.

Speaker 4 He was just like, you know, coaches should be held responsible for not having played defense during his career, which is like a lot of coaches.

Speaker 4 Which is also very weird because Mello actually did kind of play defense in Denver. And George Carl just said, I heard Mark Jackson's taking shots at my defensive coaching during tonight's broadcast.

Speaker 4 Remind me, how many all-star teams did you coach, coach, Mark? How many DPOIs? How many finals appearances? How many of my teams became dynasties right after I left? Oh, well, I mean, Mark.

Speaker 4 He took like a sub-shot and just went in. But Mark Marken hit him with the dynasty that took over when he left.
Like, that is the ultimate Mark Jackson stat.

Speaker 4 He happened to be. No, that's what he used that as a disc.
Yeah, which is a diss. Okay.
How many of my teams became dynasty? Yeah, right.

Speaker 4 I was the piece. I was the missing piece.
I kept leaving. I thought he stumbled into the only thing that Mark Jackson could reply with.

Speaker 4 But that's a major case of, like, if you throw a rock at a pack of dogs, the one that you hit is the one that's going to bark at you. Whoa.
You know that one?

Speaker 4 How many

Speaker 4 rocks at home? It's an old saying. A hit dog will holler.

Speaker 4 You're just hitting dogs?

Speaker 4 I'm not personally, but somebody that made up the statement has said that. But it's a classic case of, like, he's talking about everybody.

Speaker 4 George Carl took it personally because he knows that there's a Colonel Truth. TFT just goes down to the East River after we record and just grabs a bunch of rocks looking for dogs.

Speaker 4 Sorry, you don't know common saying that Bitcoin. No, I know that, but I just, I don't like to do sayings that talk about hitting dogs.
Rude. Apologize.

Speaker 4 And then do a home run call.

Speaker 4 I will not apologize. Do a home run call in the middle of your apology.
Listen, I said some things about dogs that I wish I could take back, and Dwight Howard with the inbounds pass.

Speaker 4 And I think that when you look at it, I wasn't actually saying that about the dogs. And there's a deep three, and the Lakers are now up by infinity points.
424 left in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 4 But again, it's not about me and the dogs. It's about George Carl interpreting that as a slam on him.
All right, so quickly before we get to Firefest, Billy Sheet, he did it.

Speaker 4 Were you saving the trees now, Billy? Yeah, double-sided it. Damn.
Wow. Where'd you learn how to do that? Settings.
Yeah. Oh, the IG model who sucked off the Suns is getting money? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Oh, on OnlyFans, maybe $46,000 in a day? In a day. Hell yes.
Get your cash. Wait, it says that.
Yeah, holy fuck. Good for her.
Good for her.

Speaker 4 Listen, there's opportunity knocks just but once or twice in life, and you got to open the door. She also

Speaker 4 maybe to five or six of Opportunity's friends.

Speaker 4 Another benefit that she got was her family disowned her, and so she got fired, but her job was in her dad's accounting office. That's awesome that you got fired from that.

Speaker 4 That sounds miserable, and then you made $46,000 in a day on OnlyFans. Good for you.
I told Hank this, but after we talked about the Phoenix Suns thing on the show on Tuesday night,

Speaker 4 I went home and I dreamed about the show. That's how fucked up my brain is.

Speaker 4 I dreamed about the show, and Billy was like, it said that Devin Booker went first, and then Hank said, that's weird because he's usually a last shot kind of guy.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 even in the Fourth Dimension,

Speaker 4 credit to Hank

Speaker 4 for invading my brain with one of his good jokes. Good joke.
That was a nice, like, subtle brag that you're dreaming in jokes. No, I dream about the show sometimes, and I wish that I didn't.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 I probably do. You have so many jokes in your head, you have to put a dream in people's body.
Nice brag. Yeah, look at exception.
Sick brag.

Speaker 4 And then Joe Rogan was sitting next to Hank, and he was like, that's fucking hilarious, dude.

Speaker 4 You ever go hunting for elk? We had Bryson DeChambeau do something very

Speaker 4 triple B of him. He asked spectators to be quiet because it really bothered him.

Speaker 4 Because there's like no one there. Because sound travels, big cat.
You didn't finish the sentence. Oh, my God.
He said, can you keep it quiet?

Speaker 4 And then he turned back and added, helpfully, I might add. Because sound travels.

Speaker 4 This guy.

Speaker 4 Show me to beat the sh. Should I fight? Yes, yeah.
You challenge Bryson DeCambo to a fight rough and rowdy rough and rowdy done because he's a fucking pussy. Ah, he might fuck you up, dude.

Speaker 4 Honestly, he might fuck you up. He's like big, but yeah, but you're you you don't have you don't have 15 minutes worth of footage of you working out silently, right?

Speaker 4 You also don't have man strength yet. I have a lot more no, you don't have man strength yet.
Like you're strong, but you don't have man strength. I'm I think I beat you.

Speaker 4 Okay, you should make a video. All right, let's also let's not use the P-word pejoratively, Billy.
I would like to apologize

Speaker 4 for the nomin cloud share I made.

Speaker 4 That was actually a test, Billy.

Speaker 4 You are a bad person. There you go, Billy.
There you go. You are a soy boy for apologizing.
There you go, Billy. You failed that test.
All right, let's do our Fire Fest and we'll get out of here.

Speaker 4 Hank,

Speaker 4 Firefest. PFT can actually attest to this one.
I was longboarding. You know, previous Fire Fest, it broke.
I got a new one. I was dipping home and I hit like a pothole.

Speaker 4 Pretty much full yard sale went flying.

Speaker 4 Scraped up my arms and legs. That's just living the rad life, though.
Yeah, it was like that's the you take risks. It was that you got the waste sounds like that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, full, full on. There was like a really old lady that likes, it was like out of a movie.
She came, she's like, oh, there's a hospital right there. I was like, I'm good.

Speaker 4 I'm just going to get on my skateboard and keep going. Hockey's hospital right there.
She was literally like, you need to go to the hospital. I was like, I mean, I was like, come on,

Speaker 4 trickstick scars. I bike over that exact same pothole every night when I go home, and it's to the point where, like, I have to stop my bike and drive around this huge thing in the intersection.

Speaker 4 So, shout out to Blasio. That's probably where he buries all the fucking groundhogs he murders

Speaker 4 de Blasio

Speaker 4 oh by the way I totally forgot that Kevin White is back I should have mentioned that he is shout out Kevin White you got to work out with the Jets right the Jets will probably win a Super Bowl with him Des Bryant got to work out with the Ravens yeah Des Bryant they did Des Bryant I love when old players now Des Bryant was never the fastest guy but they showed he he one of his trainers put out a clip of him running against air and he looked slow and it was like were we supposed to be impressed by that

Speaker 4 He's converting to a tight end. He'll be fine.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 All right, PFT, what's your fire fest? My firefest of the week is that 750 genetically altered mosquitoes are being released into Florida. So that's

Speaker 4 that sounds great. It violates my one rule of if an idea sounds like something that a movie villain would say as like his grand plot, then don't do that.
Stay away from it.

Speaker 4 And when you say 750 million, really, you should never release 750 million of anything unless it's dollars in a Phoenix hotel room. Dollars.
Dollars into the

Speaker 4 bank account. Into my economy.
Yep. Then that's fine.
But if it's mosquitoes, first of all, fuck mosquitoes. Why are they genetically altered?

Speaker 4 So they're genetically altered because they don't want them to breed. I did a little bit of background on this.

Speaker 4 And so the female larvae are going to die, but the male larvae will grow up and then they'll pass on the gene that kills all the female larvae because I think they want the males to mate with other mosquitoes, which in the long term will kill all the mosquitoes.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I don't want to be a a douchebag, but you had that totally wrong.

Speaker 4 Oh, no. Go on.
Enlighten me, bitch. So they're releasing 75 genetically altered male mosquitoes.
Maybe if you hadn't killed your frog, then all these mosquitoes wouldn't be so terrifying.

Speaker 4 No, don't do that to Bertha. You know what? Okay.
She lived a hard life of being fish. Okay, do you want to get?

Speaker 4 I'm just saying, if there were a few more bullfrogs out there that didn't have gay deaths, I actually do want to know what it is. Do you actually want to know how it works?

Speaker 4 Because it's actually really

Speaker 4 kind of interesting. Yes, Death was a sweet.
They're releasing 75 million.

Speaker 4 I don't know million, the exact numbers on the 750 million out into the Florida Everglades of male genetically modified mosquitoes that will then mate with female mosquitoes, which then they're

Speaker 4 transformers. How do they know that they're all males? Because they engineered them.
They did little children. Because they engineered them that

Speaker 4 female mosquitoes would die. So all the babies.
And the baby mosquitoes have asterisks because they're like, yeah. Right, no, so basically there's only be male.
It's going to be a totally

Speaker 4 ratio dude fest. And guess what? Mosquito dudes are chills.
They don't bite. Oh! That's why they're doing it.
Interesting. So they only change.
But they just buzz.

Speaker 4 They just still buzz in your ear, which is just as bad. They should release them all on a Saturday.
Yeah. Just out of spirit.
And guess what? Yeah. Saturdays? Do it.
Or for the mosquitoes. Boys.

Speaker 4 The male. The mosquito boys.
The mosquito boys. Total sausage fest on the Everglades.
Okay, Billy, you want to do your fire fest? You want me to do mine? I mean,

Speaker 4 you can go first. Oh, no, you go.

Speaker 4 Are you sure? Yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 Is this a trick? No. Okay.

Speaker 4 Sorry, I'm trying to think of a fire fest. Yeah.
No, I have one.

Speaker 4 So I have a puppy that's growing into a dog. What? Yes.
He's quite large.

Speaker 4 And I feed this puppy a lot, and I feed it. So basically, when I make meals, I sometimes make my puppy meals as well.
And so, like, steak, sometimes I give him like a lot of my steak.

Speaker 4 Anyway, he's taking

Speaker 4 shits. Shits everywhere.
On the inside? Inside. So I take him outside.
Dude, do you haven't trained him? I've trained him, but I take him outside for like two hours. Like, we're out there chilling.

Speaker 4 And then I take him inside. And immediately, as soon as I bring him inside, he just shits.

Speaker 4 That means you have not trained him.

Speaker 4 So inside is outside. That's 100% not trained.
Also, it's a barn, so like inside and outside is kind of a nebulous concept for this dog. But that's not trained.
I know, but I don't know what to do.

Speaker 4 You got to train him.

Speaker 4 So I do train him. So I take all the poop and I throw it outside.
No.

Speaker 4 You need to go outside, and when he poops outside, you give him a treat for pooping outside. And you don't give him a treat inside.
You make it a big deal when he uses the bathroom outside.

Speaker 4 I used to, when I first adopted Stella, she actually didn't poop inside, but we had to do the pee training. I got a big thing of roast beef, and every time she peed outside, she got some roast beef.

Speaker 4 Never got roast beef for any other reason. It's all about positive reinforcement with your dogs.
Like when you you had a fire fest today, great job, Billy. Good job, Billy.
Who's a good Billy? Right.

Speaker 4 Billy, do you want

Speaker 4 one stinky? Yeah, like a stinky treat that smells great and it's like, oh my God. Have a beer.
Have a beer, Billy. Good boy.
That's a good Billy.

Speaker 4 But the worst part is, is the flies. So now I have a huge fly problem because there was a window open and he pooped inside.
And now I have a shit ton of flies in my house.

Speaker 4 Again, problems that having an aggressive frog as a pet would solve neatly. Anyway.
Jesus Christ. All right.
And guess what? My frog's dead, so he can't eat the flowers.

Speaker 4 I feel like there's other animals probably in the barn that are also pooping inside.

Speaker 4 They're just showing the dog. They're like, go ahead, we do it all the time.
Anyway,

Speaker 4 chickens are outside. Chickens are outside.
All right, Billy. All right, my Fire Fest is I stumbled accidentally on the perfect crime, and now I think I'm going to have to

Speaker 4 go through with it. So I had

Speaker 4 Dana and Marty Mush. Dana's been on the show.
Marty Mush came over to my apartment the other day to take a piece of furniture away because they're moving and they don't have furniture.

Speaker 4 So I gave him a piece of my furniture.

Speaker 4 And it's a new building, so I haven't met all of my neighbors. So I'm outside with them.
They're loading this big piece of furniture in an escalate. I'm holding my son.

Speaker 4 And a guy walks in and he gives me a look like, are these guys robbing the place? Because it's Dana and Marty Mush. And then he looks at me holding a baby and he's like, no.

Speaker 4 They wouldn't rob a place holding a baby.

Speaker 4 They wouldn't rob a baby. Maybe you're stealing the baby too.

Speaker 4 Well, I'm thinking I like if we robbed a bank but I went casually holding my baby who would ever think like this guy's robbing a bank like no he's holding a baby yeah if you if you're wearing a bjorn and inside that bjorn you've got like an extended mag find the flaw yeah i think i need to get into a life of crime using my son as like pretty much

Speaker 4 everyone yeah as a prophet

Speaker 4 as a fall guy i think my son will be a fall guy if you're wearing scrubs too that helps no one ever thinks that a nurse or a doctor is robbing a place it was like Because they can't charge someone that young.

Speaker 4 Right. And the guy looked at me and he was like, this guy, because they do, Marty and Dana do look like they would be robbing someone.

Speaker 4 And they were like struggling to put it in the back of an escalade. And it was like, what's going on here? And then he saw the baby.
He's like, nah,

Speaker 4 he's a dad. He can't steal.
Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 4 So I have to know that now. Back in the day, how people would have kids and they'd make them work for them on the farm.
This is it. Put your kid, just like take him somewhere.

Speaker 4 Start to go to the convenience store and work your way up. Should we try it tomorrow? Family crime syndicate.

Speaker 4 yeah well no you one of you walks in and just grabs something and we're like no we're just sitting here with a baby like what who's gonna no one no one would ever suspect that no one would also i mean you could have your son just like hand the teller at the bank a note saying like we're robbing you then technically your son was robbing right and your only crime was being a bad father right well or a good father if you want to spin zone it yeah that's true adrenaline getting him hooked on adrenaline at a young age it's important to have hobbies as well

Speaker 4 um all right that's our show can't trace the kids handwriting that's also true.

Speaker 4 Yeah, we've tried it with Hank. Yeah.

Speaker 4 All right, that's our show. We'll see everyone on Monday.

Speaker 4 Have a good weekend. More sports.
More sports. What's the Chuck Borden? Sports, sports, and more sports.
No, sports, seven.

Speaker 4 Chuck Borton, sports, more sports and seven. That's a pig snag.
$1,000 play Barcelona on Monday. Yeah.
Yes.

Speaker 4 Cornhole. And we got a big guest coming on Monday as well.
Huge. Get excited.
Huge guest. Love you guys.
Billy, your final thoughts?

Speaker 4 On Monday, you're going to find out that I was offered a job in a very prestigious firm.

Speaker 4 You'll find out on Monday. It's going to be very interesting.
And I'm wondering if I should take it.

Speaker 4 Tune in. Monday.
Billy actually does want this job. When the person left, Billy was like, Should I go up and ask him for a business card? I said, Definitely, you should.
I'm joking. Love you guys.

Speaker 4 I'll never leave you.

Speaker 4 I am snacking.

Speaker 4 I am snacking.

Speaker 4 Cheetos, Kringles, ramen,

Speaker 4 French fries, chicken, nuggets, ice cream, sandwich. What am I craving?

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