Dana White, Booger McFarland And Sour Grapes Documentary Review

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On today's Pardon My Take, we have a twofer, a Friday twofer. We got Dana White ahead of UFC 250.
And then we have Booger McFarland, good friend, recurring guest Booger McFarland. We get into everything with him that's happened the past week.
Drew Brees and Peloton, more, everything with him. We also have Fire Fest of the week.
The NBA is back. And our review of Sour Grapes, the documentary we watched this week.
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All you got to do is drop your cash tag. Today is Friday, June 5th, and the NBA is back.
Let's go NBA. 29 out of 30 teams voted to start the season up again late July, going into potentially, what, October 15th? October 12th.
October 12th is the last day that could happen, could have an NBA game. It would be a Monday night.
That would be Game 7 of the NBA Finals. I'm so excited.
That would be Columbus Day, I think. That would be incredible.
You're going to do Columbus Day this year? C-Day. Knowing everything? I'm doing C-Day.
Right, okay. C-Day this year is going to be incredible incredible yes um i was looking at the schedules coming up september 20th is going to be a hell of a day in sports yeah it's going to be the day when all the sports align we're going to have nba playoffs we're going to have hockey playoffs we're going to have last not not a major sport we're going last week no hockey doesn't count hockey doesn't count max kellerman said not one sports.
What's the fourth? MLS? I don't know. I just saw that and I was like, oh, Max Kellerman added again.
Didn't wasn't in the news cycle for a couple of times for a couple for a couple of days. Probably probably was sitting there watching the world burn and was like, you know what? I really got to get Max Kellerman's name in this.
Hockey is not one of the major sports. Well, he probably was saying that boxing is still a major sport if it's max so it's boxing it's football but anyways september 20th is going to be the perfect sports day i'm very much looking forward to it i want them to get joe buck doing his thing where he gets on like a different mode of transportation you've got also golf the u.s open that's the final round of that on that day i I want him driving to like four different venues to call four separate sports on the same day.
Clear your schedule. So the NBA is back.
I'm excited for this. They're all going to be playing in a bubble.
Not really a bubble. In Orlando.
Three different sites. They're playing eight regular season games to finish it.
Oh, they're not calling it regular season games. They calling them seeding games um and then it's pretty much it's pretty basic the only fun twist they have and it's pretty it's it's basically adam silver could have gotten in front of the nation been like hey guys um zion have you heard of him kind of a big deal and uh we want to make sure that he's involved in this no matter what so So here are our Zion Williamson rules, and that is one that they invited these teams past the eighth seed.
They could have just done the playoffs. They could have been like, we'll do a little warm-up, and then the seeds are the seeds, but the New Orleans Pelicans are right now the tenth seed, so we've got to get Zion in there.
And then the extra Zion rule, which I love, if the 9th seed is within four games of the 8th seed, they then play in a special elimination tournament to decide the 8th seed. And the tournament is simply if the 8th seed has to beat the 9th seed once, the 9th seed has to beat the 8th seed twice.
Jesus. Okay, that's an unnecessary complication.
Adam Silver could have just simplified everything and been like, you know what? So how does it break down? Zion's in the playoffs. Let's just put Zion in the playoffs.
How does it break down conference by conference? Because the initial plan I saw was the East gets nine teams. Nine teams.
And the West gets, what, 11? Yeah, so it's nine teams in the East and, and no 13 in the west. 13 in the west.

So nine teams in the east and the Wizards

are your ninth team but they are five

and a half games back so it's going to be hard

for them to get even into that

let's play a playoff game.

So that probably

is decided. The east is probably decided.

The west. What are the nets?

The nets are

the seventh seed right now. That could be interesting because there are two players out there that very much going to benefit.
Kevin Durant are officially a go or not. I mean, we don't know.
But if the Nets get into the playoffs and Kyrie and KD on this weird fucking weird ass season and everything's up in the air

and they're like, yeah, you know what?

Let's fuck up our next season.

That would be wild, though,

to have them both come back for the playoffs.

They would play the Raptors if the playoffs started today.

And then in the West, we will have...

So it's the eight seeds that are currently in the playoffs,

the Grizzlies being the eighth seed.

They're three and a half games up on the Blazers,

the Pelicans, the Kings,

and they're four games up on the Spurs.

So it's really the Zion rule.

They want to figure out a way to get Zion in the playoffs, and I am all for that. I was going to say, honestly, if they had just made it eight and eight, we would be here being like, Adam Silver, figure out a way to get Zion in the playoffs.
Right. And then the champion is going to have no time to have a turnaround because, like we said, the teams that are in the finals will have no time to turn around because it will be going to mid-October.
I would assume that the new season will start sometime in December. And when is the finals for the Knicks, the draft lottery? The draft lottery is going to be on August 25th, and then the draft is going to be on October 15th, no matter what.
Okay. And the saddest thing that they've ever come up with, because they want to make sure that there's no team with 10-month layoff, is they're going to have a simulated, not shoot-around, but mini- me, the 8 teams that didn't make the bubble.
That is sad. So, so sad.
We can just go ahead and forgo that. Pathetic.
Now, alright, so it's going to be in Orlando. Is it going to be all at Disney World, Epcot Center? No, so they're going to all be in a hotel.
They're taking over a hotel. They're going to let – no fans.
They're going to let family members be there.

It's said that the players can – there's going to be some wiggle room with like restaurants and playing golf.

But it's going to be weird, but we have sports back.

Is Orlando –

The NBA is ready to go.

My big question is, is the Medieval Times in Orlando going to be opened up?

That's a great question.

Is the Chili's at the airport going to be opened up?

We canceled that one.

Remember that?

Because they fired all their –

Yeah.

We all need to grow.

No, they fired him because The

Uh

I'll see you next time. the Chili's at the airport.
We canceled that one. Remember that? Because they fired all their...
Yeah. We all need to grow.
No, they fired him because unemployment was actually going to pay him more. Is that what happened? Yes.
After they had them clean out the restaurant? Okay, yeah. We can still eat at that Chili's.
Unemployment was going to pay him more. So that's the NBA news.
We obviously have big news that Drew Brees has been officially canceled. He is retired.
Not actually. We're going to get to that with Booger.
I don't know really what to like. We were talking about it before the show.
It now has become about Drew Brees this entire past week, which is so stupid. The conversation has moved to whether or not it was right to go at Drew Brees.
Can Drew Brees have an opinion? That's not what the issue is. And I did look it up right now.
He was doing, it was a hit for Wrangler Jeans. So he was a sponsored hit.
Wrangler got their money. Actually, it should have been real comfortable jeans with a G.
Yeah. Wrangler.
Damn. So we do have a discussion about that with Booger.
We thought it'd be perfect to have him on because he's a Louisiana native. He played in the NFL.
He knows Drew Brees. That was very good.
Anything else we got cooking right now that we want to throw out there? Yeah, we should say... Billy just perked up.
What do you got? Jake Fromm's canceled too. Oh, Jake Fromm is actually...
That was bad. Is Joe Flacco allowed to own guns, Jake from bad.
Jake. Uh, bad, bad job, Jake.
Uh, I don't know what's going to happen. I don't think they've made any decisions.
If he didn't pay attention while he listens to the show beforehand, he's going to freak out. If he just like woke up to the bad, Jake bad, tiny, tiny thumbs deliver big racism.
By the way, just a little shout out real quick to Jake Marsh doing Doing a great job with the terrible sports memories. Yes.
The one he had a couple days ago. If you're not following our Twitter account, what are you doing? But Jake Marsh is tweeting out this day in sports history.
And we tasked him with finding the most boring, dumbest events. And he had one the other day that was Steph Curry moves his mic an inch to the left in a post-game press conference.
I like that one and I also liked the kid that came in sixth place in the National Spelling Bee and then it turns out that that kid follows part of my take on Twitter and he did not expect to wake up in the morning and be reminded about losing in the sixth round of the spell. That was like Mike Glennon waking up yesterday and reading on god reading on twitter that uh who was on the bears that said akeem hicks said when he was asked should colin kaepernick be an nfl quarterback his response was we signed mike we signed signed mike glennon is now uh i think it replaces rex is our quarterback in bears lore now because we signed mike glennon uh Yeah, we signed Mike Lennon.
I was all in on Mike Lennon. You paid Mike Lennon.
I have no problem admitting that when we signed Mike Lennon, I was like, Mike Lennon is good. And I was wrong.
You were very wrong about that. But that's okay.
Well, think about it this way. Sometimes you just got to be wrong to be right.
Colin Kaepernick has played on zero teams in the last three seasons. Mike Lennon has played on three teams.
So who's in more demand? Yeah. So there you go.
I remember vividly I was driving down I flew into Memphis. I was driving down to Arkansas for the Arkansas Derby and I was listening to the Cubs on the radio.
It was a Friday afternoon and Mike Lennon was throwing out the first pitch and doing the seventh inning stretch and they had him in the booth. Did he bounce it? And he was like, he was like, yeah, you know, I'm just ready to have a team be my team and take this team and just be the leader that I know I can be.
And I was like, you know what? Mike fucking Glennon. This guy gets it.
We signed Mike Glennon. We should also mention as father's day is approaching, we're all dads on this podcast now.

Right.

We're all dads.

Because we adopted a minor league player. Oh, we're going to say that today?

Why not?

Okay.

We adopted a minor league player.

Yeah.

So a lot of teams aren't paying their minor leaguers.

They've kind of disbanded their teams for the rest of the season.

There's a program where you can adopt a minor league player, and they just assign you one at random.

So we were assigned this guy at random.

His name is Jaden. His name is Jaden.

His name is Jaden Murray.

What's his Twitter handle?

He's a pitcher for the Hudson Valley Renegades in the Tampa Bay Rays program.

I'll pull up his Twitter profile in a second.

Jaden Murray 44.

Jaden.

That's a girl.

He was born on April 11th.

I'm just stalling right now until I can pull up his Twitter handle and tell you.

It's at Murray underscore Jaden 08. So he's from Utah.
It's from Vernal, Utah. Jaden underscore 08.
Ooh, 23rd round draft pick. So a real underdog story.
Wait, at Murray? At Murray, underdog. No A in Murray? With an A.
Underdog. At Murray underscore Jaden 08.
Jaden 08. So we're all dads now.
My underscore was in the wrong place. Jaden, what are you going to get me? That's really why I adopted him.
Okay, he's got 243 followers. He needs to have at least 1,000 followers by the time we wake up tomorrow.
Jaden Murray. All right, let's just quickly make sure he hasn't tweeted anything what what twitter search are you doing right now i'm gonna uh he's from utah search for darn american flag kneeling no um nothing on barstool so that's good that's that's a good sign okay could have said something bad uh he only has like 300 tweets so i think he's good good.
That would suck, though, if we got someone canceled. Yeah, that would be very bad.
Also- You should do, actually, a real search. A deep dive? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
A deep dive? Billy, can you do that for me? Mm-hmm. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
You just had Billy do that? I feel like- That's the worst person to put in charge of anything important ever. It's a CYA move for me.
I'm going to find out if he's playing. Okay.
Actually, Billy, I don't want your head going into that space. I don't trust your judgment, PFT, to put Billy in charge of anything.
All right. So this year so far, excuse me, 2019, he was 0-2 with a 2.88 ERA.
That's pretty good. And he's not bad at hitting either.

Looks like he's a... Oh, no.

That's the average against him.

He had 37 strikeouts in 2019.

Okay.

Well, we got a guy.

Jaden Murray.

Jaden Murray.

Congratulations.

Welcome to the family.

I was wondering how you would try to cuck my first Father's Day for real.

And you found a way.

It feels good to be a dad.

We're all dads now.

I mean, I don't really know what evening you're supposed to do on Father's Day besides be

like, today's the day I get to sleep in. Don't bother me on the toilet.
If you had a lawn, you would mow it. Yeah, pretty much.
Have a couple... Coffee in bed.
There you go. Someone buy me a tie.
Yeah, you're allowed to fall asleep on the couch and not get woken up for five minutes. Perfect.
Perfect. Alright, let's do our fire fest before we get to Dana White.
We're also going to review Sour Grapes at the end of the show. So we've got Dana White and Booger McFarlane coming up.
Then we have Sour Grapes review. Fyre Fest of the week.
Who wants to go first? Liam, do you have one? Yeah. Liam's got one.
So Bubba, go ahead. Hank is on vacation still.
By the way, Hank not only didn't reply to the chin, he just didn't reply to the replies to the chin. Like, I tweeted, Hank, it's past 10 o'clock.
He didn't even give us the dignity of replying to that. He is so far off the grid right now.
When he checks Twitter, it's like the most recent notification I looked at was 11 hours ago. It's good, too, because I actually did the nice boss thing of not yelling at him about something different.
To not ruin his vacation. But now I know that he doesn't listen to this.
So, Hank, your ass is mine when you come back. Your ass is in the fucking jackpot.
He's not going to listen, so I'm not ruining his vacation. Right? That's totally fair.
All right, wait. Before you do it, Bubba, let me do a quick read.
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Bubba.

So I think it was monday night i have everything run through my xbox i have youtube tv yeah flipping through channels and the batteries die in the controller i'm stuck on the guide because of the curfew i couldn't go out and like new batteries. I ripped apart like everything in my apartment.
And so it was just like the little square in the corner is what I could watch. Everything else was stuck on the guide.
So you're watching on like the R Kelly TV. You had no other batteries in your house? No, but that's why you have to have a remote control that you don't know what it does specifically so you can break into that one and put it in the other one.

And what's even worse is when they died, I took them out of the other Xbox controller like a week before.

Oh, that's a classic move.

So I knew I had time that I could have gotten them.

Did you rub it together?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, you can sit on them sometimes.

You usually get at least one last five minutes.

Fuck.

So was the square bigger or smaller than your laptop? I don't know. Probably should just watch on your laptop then.
Shit, man. No, I did.
That's brutal. That is brutal.
That is brutal. Good FireFest.
Billy? How long do you think you can go without replacing the batteries? Oh, I already did. I bought like a 20-pack, so it wouldn't happen again.
Billy? That's why I have PS4, chargeable remotes. So my FireFest was pronouncing words.
Yep, sure was. Like which words? Like words that I read all the time, but I don't say that much.
You're doing a great job filling in for Hank. Yeah, but I know how they're spelt.
Now, Billy, did you get this FireFest from Twitter? Because you did tweet tweet someone give me a Fyre Fest real quick. Well, the whole concept of Fyre Fest I was thinking about because you guys bounce around with it.
But then once Bubba said it, now I kind of got a better grasp of it. Did you also not want to pick your Fyre Fest? I'm not convinced Billy listens to part of my text.
No, he's never listened. I don't think he had any idea what Fy is.
No, he's never listened to a single episode. Billy, did you not want to do your Firefest of last night you tried to tweet out, hey, everyone, drop your tape for your senior year and we'll help you get recruited.
And then you got summarily trolled by the entire internet. Okay, you know what? I mean, a lot of guys aren't going to play their senior year because of what's happening.
So I was like, okay, let's like, I was once a high school kid trying to get recruited. It's hard.
Way back in the day. So wise.
Yeah. So I was like, might as well just like provide some exposure for some guys that are like.
How many college football coaches do you think follow you on Twitter? A lot. A lot of like Juco and It's kind of dope.
So you were signal boosting. You're like, hey, let's get the word out there.
And then everyone, I saw there were some funny replies. I saw some just random clips.
Yeah. Like Rudy Hoosiers.
Yeah, people were just random things. Just trying to help.
Your heart was in the right place, Billy. That's what's important.
But yeah, you did get trolled, and yes, you mispronounced John Bond Jones. John Bond Jones.
We're going to have to call him John Bond Jones from now on. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of cooler.
Yeah. Yeah.
Bones is a little too, like, yeah. John Bond Jones.
No, you nailed the Bones part. Rock it out.
Yeah, okay. Yeah.
My fire fest of the week. Rock out with your cock out, right? Is I said, so I went on another podcast yesterday.
I went on Erica's podcast and I said that I was bored a couple weeks ago because there was nothing to do. So I went on just anyone who would invite me on their podcast.
I did that for like a week. And now I've got people starting podcasts and I'm getting, I'm getting podcasts.
Sick brag about how fucking popular you are, dude. No, I'm getting, I'm getting podcast interview requests left and right.
So here's what I'm going to do. This week I will do one pot, one random podcast per day starting on Monday.
What? Sick brag. I'll do one random podcast a day starting on Monday.
Okay. But the criteria is it has to have between one and 200 followers on Twitter.
So it can't be like a brand new podcast. The more random the better.
Yeah, the more random the better. Not even a sports one.
I don't want to – I'll do one sports podcast. But besides that, it's just I want to be – I want to go on the randomest podcast and they need to be a small audience but not small enough that they're just starting like one that's maybe been around put out five or six episodes you've forgotten about it right in that sweet spot I will do one a day I'll do five podcasts and then I'm done then I'm done okay okay there it is how is that a fire fest my fire fest is people were you to...
You're so popular that people were asking you to come on.

My fire fest is I don't like turning people down to do stuff like that.

Got it.

Got it.

So I'm getting it all out of my system next week.

Got it.

But you are going to be turning a bunch of people down.

No, we're going to focus on the five that I will be doing.

But you're going to be turning down hundreds.

We're going to focus on the five that I will be doing.

Anyone who PFT turns down, I will not go on your podcast, but I will read your podcast name. Those are grieved.
We'll do a whole section where I say these are the podcasts that PFT just completely ignored. I'm not ignoring them, but I do want them to be weird.
I'm talking like gardening. Shit, I have no idea.
Do you think a lot of gardening podcasts can be called? I hope so. That'll take first consideration.
Gardening. If you have a gardening podcast, I'll go on.
Gardening, maybe a... Let's think.
What's the weirdest? Maybe someone who's big into bugs. Yeah, I'll go on a bug podcast.
A bug podcast? Marsupials, just any animal. The more specific, the better.
Oh, someone please. I guarantee you someone has like, can we make one exception? Can I get one exception? Can I pick one that might be like bigger? Do you have one in mind? No, but I'm hoping that this exists.
Like someone's rewatching like Friends or something. I would love.
Can I get one? A Friends rewatchable podcast? Can I get one that I get to help decide? Yeah, you can decide one of them. If anyone has a true Friends re-watchable podcast, but it has to have already started, so I'll know.
We'll know. But I want you to have to start watching Friends.
The only thing I know about Friends is Pivot. They say Pivot.
We were on a break. Someone has to have that.
That sick fuck, haha, you sick fuck you was on it for a while so so someone someone who has a real friends rewatchable podcast pft will go on that fucking dog too the ceramic dog i love it the idea you have to watch like a season of friends yeah you know what here's here's the new rule i will do five podcasts next week they all have to be weird topics and they all have to be things that I have no idea whatsoever about. Like, completely lost.
Okay, I like it. I like it.
All right, my Fyre Fest is simple. I wrote down the wrong website that Eric Roth told us has all the horse racing secrets, and I found a website that sounded like what I wrote down, and then I've lost every single bet since.
I thought you won a pick five when Dana was on the phone. I did today, but that wasn't from that website.
Okay. That was from your own brand.
So that was the only one that I've won. No, that was from my friend Anthony, so that was totally different.
So Eric Roth has a guy. And I've lost every bet because I had a wrong guy.
The guy I thought he said is not the guy. He spelled the word horse differently? I down okay i don't know what the fuck he said that's how do you know it's the wrong guy then because then his son dm he was like hey check that this is what my dad was talking about and i was like fuck and you're not what i've been playing you were getting scoops it's like it's like the people that that own like pormhub.com yeah catching all the strays from people that have

fat fingers.

Whatever.

Alright, let's get

to our interviews.

We got Dana White.

What do you got?

What do you got?

Can I redo mine?

No.

I lost the war

with the trash pandas

that moved.

What do you mean

they moved?

Well, I moved.

Oh.

What happened to the bunker?

I retreated.

I moved out.

I thought you already

took care of them.

No, but they were

still a lot more. But where's the bunker going to be? The bunker's, I'm now in a barn.
Berserker barn. Are you going to build it? I'm building it out right now.
Okay, cool. So we get to watch that again.
How hot is it in the barn? It's almost as hot as it is in here. How do you guys do this? It's really hot.
We're athletes. Yeah.
It's like a sauna. I'm sweating it out right now.
I do feel better though. After I I get done with the show I feel like I had to work out it's endorphins yeah for sure sweet hot yoga it's hot alright PFD you got a quick ad before we get to Dana White yeah before we get to Dana White I want to talk to you guys about our great friends over at Roman if you've been dealing with acne redness dark or wrinkles, finding treatment that works can be complicated.
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Okay. We now welcome on recurring guest in front of the program it is dana white ahead of ufc 250 nunez versus spencer let's start there uh sell us on this and also can you tell me um how the best way to to order it because every time i try to order UFC now with you guys not letting me do the just simple like pay-per-view button it drives me nuts i do order them but it drives me nuts okay yeah do you have uh you have espn plus yes yeah i mean you you you click on it and and usually it tells you where to go it says that it's live and but can you can you bring back the old pay-per-view button where you just go and buy it on the...
I buy it on Plus and then... You sound so old right now.
And then I have to watch it. I was just going to say how fucking old are you? How do I get the Plus from my phone to my TV? Give me the button where I could be like, oh, I just got to go to the thousands and it's like Playboy Channel, Playboy Channel, pay-per-view.
What are you, 64 years old for Christ's sake? Just make up a a channel just tell me it's channel 15 22 and then that'll just make me feel better i actually do i so my problem initially was i had espn plus on my phone but then i had to get on my tv but i have gotten it figured out but i just want the there's something that was satisfying about like the you know like the tyson era you're like all right click buy you get ready, buy it a day in advance just in case. Just bring that back.
Yeah, no, listen, it's like anything else. This technology gets better and it gets worse.
Right, yeah. Makes everything more difficult.
You see, I just built the house, and, you know, they put – I told them. I told these guys when they built my my house don't put crazy new shit in here that i can't use you know what i mean so then you know the whole radio system my my my clickers for my tv are all set up on wi-fi so if the wi-fi goes down i can't change the channel turn it up turn it off turn it on believe me i i i got i got this bullshit going on at my house all the time.
Yeah, I love it, though. I love how everybody, including ourselves, as you get older, you start to realize that you will become your parents and you'll start complaining about newfangled buttons that you don't know how to press.
Yes. But the bottom line is, keep it simple.
Keep it simple. You know what I mean? Just give me a remote that works and I can turn the TV off and on.
Yes, yes. So, all right.
So UFC 250, sell us on this. Again, I'm going to buy it anyway, but sell the fans that might not, besides the fact that we did tell you.
We did tell you. There's nothing else on.
There's nothing else to do. So buy the UFC fight on Saturday night.
Thank you for keeping sports alive. Do you feel a little accomplished when, like, the world is falling apart and in those first couple fights you had and everyone was like, oh, my God, thank God, sports, because we're just ravenous for anything.
Did you feel like, yeah, I did this. I put, like, Scarface, like, I put this thing together.
I'm the same way, man. I mean, I watched the entire golf game

with Brady and Mickelson and, you know what I mean, Tiger and Manning. You know, it takes Tom Brady to get me to watch golf.
But yeah, I watched the whole game because I haven't seen anything, you know, exciting or competitive in months. But on Saturday night, we got the GOAT, the greatest of all time, Amanda Nunes versus Felicia Spencer.

And, you know, Nunes is so fun to watch. She is, you know, without a doubt, the greatest to ever do it.
Not just all the names of the who's who that she beat, but how she beats them. This is a woman.
Most people, if they complain about the women, they're like, oh, the women don't have that one punch knockout power. She has the one punch knockout power.
She knocks people out or she submits you, but she is always going for a finish. And Felicia Spencer is the new up and coming girl.
You know, Amanda Nunes is looked at as the GOAT. She's in one of these places now where people are starting to think, oh, this isn't even a challenge for her.
You know, she's going to walk right through this girl. Everybody in this sport can lose on any given night.
Yeah. Because there's so many ways to win and so many ways to lose.
And when you're at Amanda Nunes' status, everybody is training just to beat you. They're watching all your film.
They're looking for the holes in your game. And they're training to beat you.
The co-main event is Cody Garbrandt versus Rafael Asuncio. Al Jermaine Sterling versus Corey Sanhagen.
These are very important bantamweight fights to see who's in line next to fight for the title. The first fight of the night on the main card, Sean O'Malley versus Eddie Weiland.
Sean O'Malley is this exciting, fun kid who's on his way up right now,

and this is without a doubt the toughest test of his career.

The main event on the ESPN prelims before it goes to pay-per-view,

Chase Hooper and Alex Caceres.

This is an incredible fight.

Hooper is undefeated, and Alex is a kid that's been around for a long time. Our matchmakers love this kid, Chase Hooper.
He is incredible on the ground. This kid's a wizard.
He takes a beating and then ends up pulling off some unbelievable submission, and that's the main event on ESPN. What happened in Chase Hooper's life that made him be an MMA fighter and and not an sec quarterback like that is the backup quarterback for auburn like here comes chase hooper to save their season yeah no this kid is uh is hilarious um after his first win here in the ufc we're here in vegas they asked him well you know you just won your first fight in the ufc uh what you going to do right now? He said, I'm going to go to the M&M factory across the street after the fight's over.
What a party animal. He's 20 years old.
He's 20 years old. That's crazy.
That's about all you can do in Vegas if you're 20 years old. That's true.
Flashing back to UFC 248, I'm going to I don't know how to say her last name correctly, but it was the Joanna Zhang fight. One of the best fights that I've ever seen in my entire life.
And by the end of it, she had that forehead contusion where she looked, I think people were saying it was like the Mars Attacks alien head that was going on. After a fight like that is over, I imagine that your adrenaline is pretty high, but then looking back on it, are you like, man, maybe I should have had a word with the referee about stopping it? Do you ever talk to a referee after a fight and kind of second guess their decision? No.
So what happens with those contusions is blood vessels break. Hers were in the forehead, which is crazy.
Usually it happens around the eyes and her whole forehead. So it's basically blood leaking out into the skin and giving you the contusion.
The Vegas doctors are the best. They know what's dangerous and what's not dangerous.
And, you know, they felt that she was okay to continue. And she was okay after the fight, other than, like you said, looking like an alien.
But I agree with you. Two of the baddest women in the world in an incredible war.
And such a fun fight. Yeah.
When you have a fight and maybe the fight card doesn't deliver the same way that you expected it to, how much does it hurt? I would imagine you're a guy who takes it personally. And obviously I'm nowhere near your level when we have our rough and rowdy.
They're like different by a billion. But when we have a bad fight night, when we have a bad card, it sucks.
And everyone gets pissed. So what do you do when you have a bad card or it doesn't deliver, there's not knockouts? What is it like in Dana White's office the next day or that night? I'm going to tell you where I've been incredibly lucky and what has made this sport go like this is that I always say I'm the bells and whistles guy.
I tell you why the fights are good, how they're going to look. We put the fights together that we know should be fun fights with the best in the world.
And once that cage door closes, everything is out of my hands. It's up to the fighters.
And these kids always deliver, man. They do.
Seriously, in 20 years, I can count on one hand how many shows have sucked. You know what I mean? Where you've walked out and said, that show sucked.
In 20 years, and, you know, what am I at? Like over over 200 fights 220 fights on pay-per-view not including all the other fights talking hundreds of fights so um been very lucky with that but yes when you walk out of a show that just sucked it's just such a downer for everybody man and you know you're bummed out and uh it's not a good feeling for anybody yeah how good is your memory if i were to just like bring up a ufc number to you and say like ufc uh 197 could you tell me who the main event was no clue what ufc for when butterbean knocked someone out what's that when butterbean fought butterbean never fought in the ufc fuck come on yes he did are there ufc knowledge is unreal my you should have knowledge is so crazy you should get him to fight the ufc butterbean when he knocked people out you should get him in the he's still around yeah no butterbean used to used to it would be crazy because you would look at Butterbean and you'd see him fighting this guy who had some great physique

and looked like he was going to kill Butterbean,

and Butterbean would knock him out.

That guy definitely had real power.

That right hand, if he caught you with the right hand,

it was lights out for sure.

Okay, he did fight in MMA.

He just didn't fight in the UFC.

So it wasn't so wrong.

So why didn't you offer Butterbean a contract to fight in the UFC?

Is that your biggest regret?

No regrets. Zero? None? Zero.
No, none. Zero.
What about the Ed Hardy shirts? What about what? What about the Ed Hardy shirts? Yeah. Dan Hardy? The Ed Hardy shirts.
Oh, you're pretending. Oh, you're pretending.
What? Oh, Ed Hardy? Yo, dude, it's crazy that you just said this because we were talking literally like two hours ago in my office about the clothing that we all used to wear in the UFC in like 06, 07, and yes, I want to punch myself in the face when I see that. One regret.
That's the one regret from Dana White. That's a big one.
As sports are coming back, can you just tell me that Fight Island is still going to happen?

Fight Island is real and it's happening.

The date of Fight Island is going to be July 11th. Saturday,

July 11th will be the first fight on

Fight Island. Do we know where the island is

located? I do, yeah.

Nobody else knows, though. Can you tell us

what ocean? I'll

tell you next week. Next week,

I'm going to have some images and a lot of other things.

Let us ask you two questions.

Is it in an ocean?

Yes.

Is it in the Pacific Ocean?

I'm not saying.

So, yes.

That sounds like you would have said no.

Okay, yes.

Pacific Ocean off the coast of the Catalina.

Is it like a lesser Catalina? Oh, yeah. It's like one of those islands that are just inhabited by seals.
You just kicked all the seals off. Can you comment on the rumors that you got the Chinese government to build you one of their fake islands just so you could stage a fight on it? Interesting.
You know, the funny thing is that this thing has definitely taken a life of its own. And one of my biggest fears was, you know, the fantasy of Fight Island may eclipse the reality of Fight Island.
So the pressure is on. Shit.
That's a way to undersell it. Now I want to know where the fuck Fight Island is.
Billy Football says that it's in the South China Sea. Ooh.
Interesting. Is it that big floating trash heap that's like in the middle of the Pacific? That would be awesome.
You repurpose that and now you're a real hero. Yeah.
Shit. Is there a small part of you that doesn't want other sports to come back so you can continue to be the only game? No, man.
Listen, I'm a fan of the Patriots and I'm a fan of the Celtics. And, you know, I love going.
I go to quite a few Celtics games a year, and I try to catch a couple Patriots games, but I watch them all on TV. I'm a sports fan too.
And you know what I really want to come back to is concerts. I'm a big concert fan.
I was ready for Rage Against the Machine. I was going to do two dates of the Rage tour and those guys haven't toured in 10 years.
That was a big bummer. Fight Island.
Don't undersell Fight Island though. To me, you're right.
It is a big fantasy of mine. I feel like it's like a Karate movie or uh no it's like mortal combat is what it is i just want to picture it like that that's exactly

so people have this this idea that when you walk out like when you come out of the tunnel you're

going to be walking down with lit tiki torches and the octagon's going to be in the middle of

of the jungle and i'm going to be sitting in some big throne watching the fights i mean that's that's

the make that what you just described was awesome. Are you not hearing yourself talk? I want you wearing a crown or a safari-style pith helmet in the middle of a jungle, maybe get a band with flames coming out of the guitars like it's Mad Max Fury Road, just lined up playing heavy metal music.
This is Fight Island. That is the allure of Fight Island.

How the fuck have you kept Fight Island like a secret where it is?

How is that possible?

But this is the problem.

This is the problem with Fight Island.

The whole thing, it's taken on a life of its own,

and everybody has this imagination like he does

that this is what Fight Island is going to be.

Is Fight Island controlled by the United States government? You renting it not buying it we know that huh yes we know yes we're we're not i didn't buy the island we didn't buy it okay okay interesting do you need a passport for fight island yeah okay is john bones jones with hawaii allowed to go to Fight Island? Is Jones? Yeah. Yeah.
I don't know. We'll see.
You know, obviously you guys know Jones and I are a bit of a beef right now, but it's not the first time and it won't be the last. So we'll see what happens.
Do you expect him to ever fight again in the UFC? Yeah. Listen, at the end of the day, John's one of the best, if not the best, to ever do it.
And, you know, listen, does he have the money to retire? Yes. Do I think he will? I don't.
But who knows? Anything's possible. Did you see him taking spray cans from looters and maybe be like, you know what? Let's put that on the positive side of of of john bring that back i love that you know and and uh you know john's been through a lot in the last uh 10 years but uh yeah no it was cool to see him out there uh doing that what about connor so connor obviously had his uh warm-up fight this year uh which seems like it was forever ago.
Was it this year?

Yeah, right? He fought in January.

Jesus Christ, that feels like 10 years

ago. Doesn't it? Yeah, so

what's the plan for Conor in his comeback?

Is he going to get a title fight next? Like, how's it going to work?

Yeah, so what I think Conor

should do is wait for this Gaethje

Habib fight and fight the winner of that.

That's what really makes the most sense

for a guy of Conor's caliber. You want him to fight Habib again? He's going to get killed.
There you go. He doesn't feel that way, and he wants that fight again.
Okay. What about Conor versus Anderson Silva? What's that? Billy Football wants to know, what about Conor versus Anderson Silva? So, you know, Conor McGgregor when he fights it he fought the fight at 170 he didn't even weigh 170 he was under 170 anderson silva fights at 185 pounds right he walks around at 210 215 jesus christ yeah there's just that fight makes no sense um anderson silva i don't even think he's ranked right now in that division, is he? No, he's not ranked in that division, and he's like 44 years old.
I mean, that fight makes no sense. So Billy Football, bad job by Billy Football is what you're saying.
Billy was saying meet at 175. Billy Football has done a bad job.
You would fire him if he was working for you, right? Yeah. If who was doing billy football is our intern he's sitting behind the camera right now he's the one who wants to make that fight he wants to make it at 175 you can just fire him right now tell him he's doing a terrible job fired fire you're fired fired i can't read billy's holding up an iphone 10 feet from me that i can't read i can't read.
I have an idea for you, Dana. Have you thought about, you know how whenever there is a pay-per-view, there will be some illegal streams.
I'm sure you guys are very good at shutting them all down. I know you are because it seems like they just don't exist the same way.
But there's always that one guy who pops on Periscope, and you can watch like half of his foot and his grody grody apartment and uh watch the fight you should remake that and then after a fight hop into the screen and be like fuck you motherfuckers buy the pay-per-view think about that i'll i'll consider that okay that's actually a good idea though it is a lot Yeah. Like, FBI is coming for your ass.
So you know what's funny is we actually have a group that during a fight, they're knocking down all these different streams, right? We also have ways that we can figure out who's stealing it for free. And we go out and we catch these guys.
Yes. Now, when you talk to these guys on your phone, they're a bunch of fucking tough guys.
Okay? When we actually bust these guys, they call me crying, asking me to please don't do this to them. I'm going to ruin their life and all this shit.
And a totally different fucking story because they don't think that they can be caught but then when we catch them they're the biggest fucking pussies on planet earth okay so here it is dana you're a marketing guy i'm a marketing guy a couple marketing guys talking here this is a two birds with one stone situation you catch the guys instead of prosecuting we bring back john bones jones into the ufc and if you illegally steal a fight card you have to face him in the in the octagon for a round people would buy that i actually love that yes i love that idea let's go people would buy it i would buy to see one slub get smoked every single like you could just have it be like, hey, all right, let's start the fights. And it's just one random fight of some dude that periscoped a UFC, and he just gets his ass kicked.
He taps out in like 10 seconds, and we just run through him. That's a card in itself.
Yeah, what I would do too is when you come back, you have to fight Francis Ngannou and Derek Lewis. Andwis and nobody's gonna scream that no one's gonna illegally uh hijack that stream either that would be incredible yeah it would never do it again that's way worse than being prosecuted i wish we lived in that world that would be perfect i'm down for that uh the first time that you saw a stylebender fight, were you thinking, like, is this guy, is he animated? Is this like Tekken 17? Yeah.
The thing that I was curious about with him was when he faced a good wrestler, what was going to happen to him? Would he be able to defend the takedown and do the things? It's unbelievable how fast that guy got his takedown defense dialed in. And, you know, what an incredible mixed martial artist he's become in such a short amount of time.
Yeah. I'm watching my – I'm about to win a pick five finally at Churchill Downs.
Maybe. Maybe.
Are you going out to the casinos in Vegas now that they're open? Let's go. Tonight.
I'm going tonight. Which one? Penn National, I assume.
Which hotel am I going to tonight? You're going to a Penn National casino, right? Oh, Penn National. Yeah.
No, I'm going to play tonight at Caesar. No, Penn National is incredible.
We'll bleep that out. You're going to do a Penn National gaming.
Oh, is that their sponsor? Yeah, I'm playing. few hands they bought us they're bosses I threw out the Caesars Palace on you guys on that one sorry about that that's okay I'm a huge Bellator fan so it's not a big deal where the hell is Penn National Casino worldwide I think they're the top of Canada right yeah and then we have um the resort the resort, the M resort off the strip.
Oh, the M is one? Yeah. You love that place.
I do. No.
The M is really nice. Yeah.
Very nice. Very nice.
Very nice place. Okay.
I did not know that. Yeah.
That's a very nice place. Did you, was there anything that you, that you learned that was unexpected about hosting these fights, given all the restrictions of how far away people have to be all the testing.
Is there anything that you took from your first experiences with that, that you've implemented to either make the fight safer or change them to make them be streamlined a little bit? Yeah. You know, it's like anything else.
My team is so bad-ass and so good. You know, we pull off the best events in all of combat sports history, back of house and what you see on TV and live in the arena.
But the thing is once you get repetition and you start to get better and people, you know, we'll just get better and better and better at this. And, you know, when you come to one of our events, it's the safest place you could be.
Everybody there is tested multiple times, you know when you come to one of our events it's the safest place you could be everybody there is tested multiple times you know every protocol is followed um you know you couldn't be in a safer place than at one of our fights uh my last question UFC 250 buy it Saturday night it is the only game in town sports are back Dana White has made sure sports stay uh in in your tv so ufc 250 you gotta buy it my last question is uh were you at any moment like during this entire pandemic and maybe some backlash that you received were you ever deterred because i i don't know anyone else out there who really doesn't listen to like the court of public opinion, like you, you just kind of ignore it. How, how do you do that? 20 years.
I've been listening to this bullshit for 20 years. So, uh, you know, I was getting fucking hammered by the media through this thing.
Um, but listen to me when you, when, you look at, when somebody writes something and it's super negative or they shouldn't be doing this and shouldn't be doing that, I look these people up, okay? I go online and I look at them. If you ever look at some of these fucking reporters, I go, look at this fucking dork, okay? Of course, this is what this guy is fucking saying.
They are, if you loaded up a bus of all the wimpiest people on fucking planet Earth, okay, and you put them all in a room together, the media are wimps amongst wimps, okay? Wimps will be slapping fucking those guys around. So it is exactly what I expect them to say.
Their opinion means nothing to me. Since when do we let the fucking media decide what we're going to do or not do? You know what I mean? So their opinion really means nothing to me.
And at the end of the day, what my job is, A, to take care of my employees, B, to make sure that the fighters continue to make a living and keep working, and C, to make this company money. That is my job.
That's what I do, and that's all I care about. So did you ever think, though, because the media, I can see what you're saying there, but in terms of, like, public health officials, did you ever think, hey, maybe I should listen to these people? Or how how did that all break down where you were uh like hey let's go full steam ahead we can do this and we can do it safely when you look at this thing with common sense and there was a great piece that was done by your guy dave um you know one of the preeminent doctors in the world.

But what he said was absolutely right. And it's common sense.
Flatten the curve, flatten the curve, flatten the curve is what we were hearing. Right.
So everybody went in. I did all the right things, too.
I did what I was told. You know, I took my family and we stayed home and we, you know, we did what we were told.
But the truth of the matter is there was no end in sight. When they would draw the line and say, we're going to do this for 30 days.
Then they would say, we're going to do it for another 15 days. We're going to do it.
And it keeps dragging on. Well, first of all, there's an answer and a solution to everything.
And the answer is never, let's just hide from this thing until the government tells us, you know, we can come out. There's a solution.
And health and safety is something that we worry about every single weekend, not just since the coronavirus popped up. And I know that we have the best team, the best staff, the best doctors, access to the best, you know, and sharpest minds in the medical field.
And we figured this thing out and we knew we could do it. So then it was just a matter of getting it done.
And let me tell you what, when I tell you that these fucking dorks from the media, right? It's not just like, oh, let's write a shitty story and say that these guys are bad guys for trying to go during the COVID-19 thing. They're literally making phone calls to the athletic commissions, the venues that, you know, and doing all this stuff to try to make it stop.
You know, just the fucking disgusting. Anyway, when you say wimpy members of the media, the bottom line is, you know what the bottom line is? I fucking won.
When you say wimpy me members of the media, I want to clarify. You're not talking about Robbie Fox.
No, he's masculine. Yeah.
He's one of the toughest, most durable guys out there in the media. Yes.
Agreed. Yes.
I love Robbie. Yes.
Yes. I love him too.
I actually really do like him. I know.
He calls you Uncle Dana.

I'm not talking about all the media guys.

There are media guys out there that I like.

Yeah.

I think what the root of...

Not the strongest guys in the world,

but still.

I think what the root of...

What started a lot of this was people

were legitimately concerned about a public

health issue. I think some people

just want to make sure that now is the right

Thank you. You're right.
I think what the root of, you know, what started a lot of this was people were legitimately concerned about a public health issue. So they I think some people just want to make sure that now is the right time to be doing it, that you are talking with the appropriate health officials that are making sure that it's safe and that like hosting a fight is not going to spread the virus and cause any damage.
I think that that that's a legitimate concern. But it seems like I don't know.
Do you have like a public health person that you've been talking to about all this, like taking their advice? Look at this guy walking right into the middle of my. Look at this.
So. Yes, first of all, first and foremost, if you talk to any of my employees, OK, any of my employees ever, I care about my employees, I would never do anything to hurt my employees.
I'm not trying to go out and die and bring this shit home and hurt any of my family. I don't want to see any fighters get hurt, you know, in a fight or any other way.
So yeah, this wasn't a thing about, oh, the media was concerned about the health and safety of get the fuck out of here.

Not even remotely fucking close.

These guys are dirty little weasels.

And what they wanted to do was stop this fucking event because they felt it shouldn't happen.

Or their fucking egos wanted to prove that they could stop this thing. You you know i write for the fucking new york times this fucking dork him and all the other fucking dorks were so upset when this fucking fight went off that dork went fucking crazy because now all this guy wants to do is write about the ufc this new york times fucking dork look that guy i want to i want to clarify Dana.
I to clarify Dana I think their media should be trusted to a point and it's also very important but the way you say fucking dork it's very hilarious I want to clarify do you not like what's your opinion on the media what's your if you were to use one word two words to describe media what would it be Danaana um yeah most of them are fucking dorks okay and and the absolute wimpiest of the wimps but you also you understand too that uh if anything did go wrong you'd have to own it and it'd be a pretty big black eye on everything that you i'm right here yeah i'm. Yeah.
I'm right here. Yeah.
I'm right here. There's no doubt about it.
Listen, when you go like I went, right, it just, if you look at what we've built over the last 20 years, I'm not going to run out there and kick myself in the head and do something that I don't think that I can pull off, fail miserably in front of the whole world. And then what? I knew we could pull it off.
And there were people that were willing to do it with us and try to make this thing work. And instead of saying, Hey, you know, we think this is probably a little too soon to go with, which what the fuck do they know anyway, what their, their doctors, the fucking dork from new york times is the guy that gets to determine whether it's time to go or not get the fuck out of here well get the fuck out of here that's such a crock of shit uh one last question for me have you already worked out arrangements with whether it be the coast guard or uh the local government of san antonio or excuse me san diego to arrange the ships that will be leaving from the port of San Diego to get them out to the islands off the coast of California.
No, there won't be any ships from San Diego, the Fantasy Island. Okay, so it's not San Diego.
Oh, it's Fantasy Island now. Oh, that's kinky.
I thought that's what you called it. I thought you called it Fantasy Island.
Are you going to do it? Do you want to call it Fantasy Island? Your internet connection is unstable. Is unstable is there gonna be fucking on fantasy island you should turn it into a reality show like the entire island should be the ultimate fighter the ultimate islander yeah hey i think you guys need to get into the fight business you guys got a lot of ideas yeah we are ideas guys yes um all right dana white thank you as always ufc 250 tune in saturday night and then be ready because Fight Island's coming.
You're going to announce it next week. July 11th will be the first fight on Fight Island.
Get excited. Thanks for having me, guys.
All right, thanks, man. Appreciate it.
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We now welcome on recurring guest in front of the program. It is Booger McFarland.
Booger, it's great to talk to you. It's great to have you on.
I want to talk about a bunch of stuff, but I think the thing that's at the top of everyone's mind right now is Drew Brees and the state of Louisiana, your home state, and how this has all kind of played out in the last couple days with NFL and Drew Brees. And I guess my first question would be just from like a locker room perspective.
You see a bunch of his teammates speaking out and saying like you're tone deaf. Do you think that that's going to carry over to the season? Do you think Drew Brees is going to have trouble repairing some of those repairing some of those relationships after what was an admittedly very tone deaf comment by him? No, I don't think so.
And, you know, if you look at our society, we will harp on something until the next thing comes up. Just think about coronavirus.
I don't think anybody's mentioned the word COVID-19 or Corona in the last week since what happened in Minneapolis. So that's just kind of the nature of our society.
but specifically to the locker room, man, you guys know how the locker room is. I mean, you guys got a mini locker room there.
You go in there when the cameras are off, when the phones are off, you talk about a lot of different things, some comfortable, some not. But it's the sacredness of the confines of where you are.
When you guys are in your office, in your building, you expect what goes on in there to stay in there. We can have difficult conversations.
We can use language that we otherwise would not use outside of it. And by and large, the locker room is a forgiving place.
As a matter of fact, as you and I are talking now, Michael Thomas has already come out and said that he accepts Drew Brees' apology. And so all you can do is take him at his word.
I think in the end, though, Drew Brees apologized for the backlash. Like, he apologized because he pissed off America.
I mean, let's face it. Drew Brees never said, I apologize for my stance.
He basically went to bed last night and couldn't sleep. He was uncomfortable probably for one of the few nights in his life.
Like he couldn't sleep last night. He tossed and turned.
Man, America does not like me. America thinks I'm a racist.
America thinks I can do no wrong. They're chanting F.
Drew Brees in New Orleans. Like his entire world was shaking last night.
And what I would tell Drew Brees, black people have been sleeping like that for a long damn time okay so if he can go to bed one night uncomfortable and wake up at 7 a.m he sent the damn apology this morning at 7 a.m so either he got up at 6 in New Orleans or 4 in California he didn't sleep right okay he was up early to do this and um you know hopefully he learns it's not going to be as easy as sending an apology um because this is the same stance guys that he had in 2016 yeah so what changed between 2016 yesterday and today The only thing that changed was the public outcry. And for that, I think he's apologizing for.
Yeah. I think when when he got done with that interview, he didn't think he said anything wrong.
I think when he was done with that interview, he thought to himself, nailed it. I stood up for what I believe in.
And this is Drew Brees. That was a good answer that I gave to it.
And I think what a lot of kind of the backlash to even Drew Brees' apologies, there are a lot of people that are misconstruing the situation and saying Drew Brees is apologizing for loving the American flag and for wanting to honor his veteran grandparents. That's not what people are mad at Drew Brees for.
People aren't mad. You can believe what you want about the flag.
You can use it as a symbol in your own life to honor if you have veterans in your family. That's perfectly normal.
I think a lot of people do. But what Drew Brees was saying was, I'm not here to listen to my teammates that might have opposing views to that.
And that's what he has yet to apologize for. He just apologized kind of for people saying that he was a bad guy.

And he was like, I don't want to offend anybody.

So sorry if I offended anybody.

But, yeah, hopefully he did take the time to kind of learn a little bit from it.

I want to discuss real quick.

Well, actually, sticking on this,

were you surprised to see his teammates publicly calling him out on social media?

That usually doesn't happen to a guy like Drew Brees.

Yeah, I was a little surprised, but here's what happens.

When the biggest fish in the room calls him out, Michael Thomas,

then it becomes easier for people below him.

So Michael Thomas is what, like, the second and third highest paid player on the team.

So once Michael Thomas calls him out, then Cam Jordan chimes in,

then Malcolm Jenkins chimes in, then it's like open season on Drew Brees at that point.

So it just shows you how real the situation is. And Michael Thomas,

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And Michael Thomas is a no-nonsense guy. Like, I've had conversations with him.
Like, one of the things that makes him a top three receiver in football is his work ethic, his dedication, and just how committed to being who he is that he's become over the years. And when he called him out and man,

everybody was like,

Whoa,

when in the locker room.

And so flip it over.

When Michael Thomas accepts his apology today,

I think other people in the locker room will,

will kind of fall in line.

And here,

here's the,

here's the catch in new Orleans.

Sean Payton is one of the best leaders I've ever been around.

He's,

he's a quarterback whisperer. He's done great things with drew breezerees and is going to try to do great things with Jameis Winston.
But I think one of the more underrated things that he does is relationship mending and relationship building. He'll do a phenomenal job in New Orleans with that.
But those things, either fortunately or unfortunately, depending on what side you're on, we're not going to be privy to because they should and they will take place behind closed doors. So I think this past week has been like what people are finding is they're having uncomfortable conversations.
They're feeling uncomfortable, which is a good thing. I saw I tweeted today just jokingly like the Drew Brees using the end race.

He Googled end racism stock image and he picked the picture with a white guy and a black guy clasping hands. I actually looked it up and he did like it was halfway down the Google image searches.
And I made that joke on Twitter and I had a lot of people coming at me and being like, hey, what did Drew Brees say that was wrong? and I'm in a weird spot where it's like i can't really explain you know the feelings that black america is going through right now and people probably don't want to hear me explain it so from your perspective when you see something like drew breeze saying something like that like what in your mind can you explain it to some people who don't understand trying to expand their worldview of what exactly, you know, is wrong and what he missed in his initial statement? Well, his statement was not only was it tone deaf, he just didn't listen. And so, like, if you will understand the context, let's go back to 2016.
Colin Kaepernick is sitting on the bench. He didn'tel first he sat on the bench he sat down and nate boyer a green beret came to him and said hey colin um for me it's disrespectful if you sit down colin was like okay well what can i do he's like i'd rather you kneel and so colin kaepernick then got off the bench from sitting and he went and knelt down so So that's how the whole kneeling started.
Let's make sure we understand that. So he talked to a military guy and the military guy, Nate Boyer, told him to kneel.
So now the whole movement went on with Colin Kaepernick in 2016. And we all know how that how that played out.
No need to go through that whole whole situation again. Drew Brees felt the same way in 2016.
So now you fast forward to yesterday and drew breeze is on yahoo finance i don't know what they're discussing or whatever i guess he doesn't somebody didn't have enough money so they decided to talk to drew breeze about finance and all that whatever and lo and behold a conversation comes up about protesting well drew breeze felt very comfortable based on the reaction of america in 2016 to basically double down and say what he said in 2016 yesterday. Here's the problem with that.
Less than two weeks ago, a black man was murdered on national television by the knee of a white cop. There's nine minutes of video almost.
Of that nine minutes of video, two minutes and 46 seconds of it the black man is unconscious after he just got to telling you i couldn't breathe so white officer kneeling down black man throat dead homicide murder there we go so drew breeze was tone deaf to the situation of america that's happened since then with the riding and and everything with the protesting and all that. So now he goes on Yahoo Finance and he says he reiterates his stance and he personalizes it and he makes it selfish and he makes it about the flag.
Well, guys, Colin Kaepernick told us, Nate Boyer told us, thousands of people said this is not about the flag. But Drew, which is what happens across America, Drew lived in his bubble and his bubble was all about Drew.
And for me, it's about my granddaddy and my grandparents. And this is what I feel.
And it's all about me right now. Well, guess what? That's part of the problem with America right now.
That's why we are where we are today, because so many people have just tried to be in their bubble and not look at the oppression of other people, namely black and brown people, and they just focus on themselves. So when you look at what Drew said yesterday, not only did he not hear what Kaepernick said four years ago, he didn't hear the cry coming from his own locker room with his teammates.
And he didn't hear that another unarmed black man was murdered. This time it's changing the country to speak i don't know if you guys agree but this time seems different like america seems different right now than some of the previous cases and so when drew says that and then all hell breaks loose he's like well what did i do wrong in his mind i guarantee you he's saying what did i do wrong because i just said the same thing years ago.
So if you're out there and you're part of white America and you don't understand what he said, let me break it down and be real concise. You can have an issue with how someone protests and you may not do it the same way, but you have to respect that we live in a country that allows peaceful protests.
And if Colin Kaepernick wanted to protest on a knee, this country says he has the right to you cannot tell him. I, I hear you, excuse me, I see you, but I'm not going to listen to your message until you do it the way I want you to do.
And Drew Brees is basically telling us, I don't want you to kneel down. If you kneel down, I can't like, like that's disrespectful to me and so it's kind of along those same lines um his apology today basically said i stand with you i'm there for you i'm against racism but what it never said was you know what i am far protesting the way that you want to protest it never said that because he still believes what he believed yesterday, which is why you kind of take the apology and you're like, okay, I hear you, but I really don't.
And I think that's where people are getting hung up where they're saying, well, if Colin Kaepernick can kneel, Drew Brees can say that, you know, it's his right to say, I don't want to kneel. It is his right to say he doesn't want to kneelel but what he said was Colin Kaepernick or people kneeling is disrespectful to the flag and that's kind of the

that's where it gets all cloudy because if Drew Brees had said yesterday I understand that you

know people who are kneeling and I understand and that's their right I personally am not going to

kneel that's a totally exactly that's totally different statement I think that's where people

are getting a little confused and the other thing I just want to throw out there is we live it everything gets uh you know boiled down to to very like this is exactly what it is it's black and white every single time no one is saying drew breeze is a bad guy he has done great things he has done great things for the community of new orleans he's done great things for the state of louisiana he was he was tone deaf and he was wrong here for not listening but that's people are then you know they'll take it and be like oh we're canceling drew breeze all the work he's done no that's the opposite he actually is a great guy and he's clearly shown that he wants to help other people but he also should listen he did yeah he needs to do a better job of listening. I think what you're seeing as well is that looking back at 2016 through the lens of today, there are a lot of people who, you know, they're saying like, hey, I'm on board for the cause.
I understand that there's a problem with racism in America and with law enforcement dealing with black people. But, you know, you don't need to ride in a violent way.
You're hearing a lot of people say that you're seeing some of those same people look back at 2016. And they're thinking in the back of their heads, damn, you know what, taking a knee during the national anthem peacefully looks pretty good right now.
I probably shouldn't have just ignored the peaceful protest because I wish that's what was going on at this time. But we didn't listen.
Most of America didn't listen then. And so I think when you see Drew Brees, he just is kind of skipping that step and not realizing that now is the time if you haven't listened before, now is the time that you need to listen to what your teammates are telling you and what your co-workers your co-workers are telling you, what your community is telling you.
And, you know, I think Drew will do that. You know, Drew is that man.
Listen, Drew, you know, me being from Louisiana, I've seen up close and personal what Drew has done down there. And it's been phenomenal.
But I'm kind of glad this happened. You know, you know, Drew's done a lot of great stuff.

He's been phenomenal, but it kind of leads to the bigger issue.

And Drew Brees is just the name that we're focused on right now.

But you could put any prominent white American that has given a lot of money, that has supported a lot of great causes.

But inside them, they still feel a certain way about issues in the African-American community. So no matter how much money you throw at something, it doesn't change who you are.
No matter how much money or how many good causes you support, it doesn't change who you are. Sometimes we look at the money and we follow the money because by and large, the person that's running the country right now, all he talks about is money.
So I guess that's what, like, we all follow the money and we follow the money because by and large the person that's running

the country right now all he talks about is money so i guess that's what like we all follow the money the economic status the economy has never been better and so money becomes the bigger issue and if i can throw any amount of money that that matters at a cause you know people are going to people are going to celebrate it

people are going to

elevate my name

and it's not

necessarily going to celebrate it. People are going to elevate my name.
And it's not necessarily always about the money. Colin Kaepernick didn't ask anybody for any money initially.
All he said was, hey, people, let's pay attention to police brutality. Let's pay attention to it.
If we'll pay attention to it, I mean, guys, think about this. I don't think there's a direct correlation.
But if we pay if the same intensity that we had in 20 in 2020 was had back in 2016, George Floyd may still be alive. We don't know that.
OK, he may still be alive. And so when we when we hear somebody cry for a particular sector of our country or a particular community, whether it's Black people coming to white people, whether it's white people coming to Black people and saying, hey, we need help.
It's our job as Americans to listen. Okay? The foundation of this country says liberty and justice for all.
It doesn't say liberty and justice for Black people. It doesn't say liberty and justice for white people.
It doesn't say for Mexicans. He justice for all it doesn't say liberty and justice for black people doesn't say liberty and justice for uh white people it doesn't say for mexicans it says for all that's what this country's built on so we still have a long way to go to include the all hopefully drew breeze lending his name based on the the statement or the ignorant statement he made will allow him to learn and will allow us to learn as a country and go forward with this um all right so i mean what you just said is is spot on and perfect because i think people are just like i said having uncomfortable conversations this past week which is a good thing and it's the when we talked to arian foster on monday he said small victories matter and small wins matter and just the reaction that people had to Brees versus four years ago, that's a small victory that people are more aware of this.
Shifting a little bit topics from one difficult topic to probably another, I wanted to know you have done a great job of being a consummate professional, But how has it been the last few months watching your job basically openly shopped online every single day? Well, when you're in big boy business, what I call it, when you're in jobs that are high-profile jobs, high-salary jobs, it comes comes with the territory rumors. When I was in the NFL, okay, I was a first round pick.
I want to say about three or four years later, they drafted another guy in the first round. So different type rumors, but you hear the same thing.
Man, did they draft him to replace you? How are you going to handle them having a first round pick in your room or whatever so like i've become accustomed to dealing with that for years um you know espn and i came to a a decision a while back uh way before it was reported so the overlap or the timetable wasn't as great as a lot of people think but they decided to move on in a different direction so So, hey, I accepted and I moved on.

I've been Team Booger for life.

I loved you in the booth,

and I was hoping that they were going to bring you back next year.

I'm also – I want to give you this opportunity to dispel some nasty internet rumors out there about you,

about that Booger McFarlane has a miscalibrated Peloton bike,

and he's juicing in stats,

and that's why he's always on the top of

the leaderboard because you see it i see people talking about it i'm asking questions too well listen um first of all i got my bike july the 6th i think was my first ride last year the guy from peloton came in my house he calibrated the bike he set it up he said hey a year from now what I would do is

I would call Peloton

have somebody come back out because I guess the warranty ends at a year. So right before a year, have somebody come back out, do this again, but your bike should be good to go.
And so I've gotten a bike and I've ridden the bike and I started at the bottom. Okay.
And I worked my way up. So to your point about my bike and my numbers being false, I've kicked your ass a number of times from starting at day one.
Okay. And that hadn't changed.
As a matter of fact, I felt bad for you that I've tried to give you the equivalent of like food stamps. I've given you charity numbers on the output to try to make you feel better.
But guess what? Even that still didn't help. So I really resent that.
You can hear the emotion coming out. I get more pissed off about the Peloton than I do about Monday Night Football because the Peloton is near and dear.
I kick ass daily on the Peloton. And it starts with the guy sitting to your right, Big Cat.
You ass. Do you do the weights mid-ride? No, I've never picked my weights up, never.
Okay. They're like two pounds.
They don't do anything. Okay.
You know what I told them? I told them to send me the heaviest one, so I thought they were going to be like some 10-pounders. They sent three-pounders.
I'm like, okay, this will be decoration. Yeah.
For the record, I don't actually believe that you have a miscalibrated bike

because that's how it is.

If anybody's better than you, you say, oh, their bike's miscalibrated.

That's your excuse for it.

But, yeah.

Listen, speaking of Peloton, since we're on that subject,

it's a couple things that I need to address with you, okay?

The whole purpose of the Peloton, competition, camaraderie, you know,

we've really taken advantage of it during COVID-19.

But, essentially, it's a piece of cardio equipment to get you in better shape that's that's that's basically what it is okay now if we're going to do this PFT there are a couple of things that I'm going to suggest that you do that can elevate your status cardiovascular wise and maybe also uh I'm just just appearance wise. If we're going to get on there for a half hour, 45 minutes, the first thing you should drink after you get off probably shouldn't be a beer.
No, it's beers after. That's the whole motivation.
You have a beer after you get on a Peloton. Drink a bottle of water before you get to the beer, though.
That's a non-starter. No, it's beers after.
Big Cat doesn't understand the beers after life. What the fuck was that? It's an important part of my culture.
300 people can be. No, there's probably, I think we had 5,000 people on the Bonds of Anarchy leaderboard.
And Booger's one of the founding members. There are thousands of people that ride with us, Big Cat.
Just because you are not a part of Bonds of Anarchy, do not. Please do not.
Listen, I didn't fire the first shot. PFT just fired a shot across the back for no reason.
Well, you said you went after beers after. I'm very defensive of beers after.
What did I say about beers after? You said drink a water before. Don't drink a beer right after.
Booger just said that. Well, I'm deflecting to you.
Booger just said that. What the fuck? I can't talk shit to booger in your hand because because our booger beats me every day i can't talk shit to him about the peloton you're that was like that is that a coke zero this is coke zero no sugar that was like uh that you you're just like rudy giuliani who on piers morgan today who said you know fuck this and then two minutes later they, I didn't swear.
No sugar, Booger. I'm about to no sugar life.
Booger, I got a more serious question for you. Let's just do a little hypothetical.
I'm a coach. I don't know if you saw that.
I'm a coach, Tennessee. You probably should have gone to Tennessee, although Phil Fulmer, that story you told on Rasilla's podcast of Phil Fulmer putting his hands in your ass on the recruiting.
Phil Fulmer sl on my rear end and grazed my he grazed my scrotum there was no way i was gonna go to tennessee are you kidding me said you want to be the center for peyton manning uh if if you're if you're situational football third and 10 what'd you say run a draw and spike uh third and 10 probably not i'd probably do that on second down do you take that was that what happened so so that was that by the way that was not your fault that game that bills texans game lost control when it lost control it was like the whole thing with like running around with its hair on fire but after you say something like that in the booth i'm always curious because i doing live like announcing is an impossible job people don't realize how fucking hard it is but you say something like that do you know instantly like whoops that was a mistake or do you afterwards you're like pop on twitter and you're like shit yeah probably should have told them to spike on fourth down no it was it was it was pretty instant because I was basically relying on technology because in the booth, like, you're so far up. Right.
And sometimes you can't see. And I was blocked from seeing it down in distance.
So I'm relying on technology. And, of course, the technology was a bit slow.
I don't know if the Wi-Fi in NRG Stadium was a little slow, but our technology was a little slow. And so I thought it was second down.
Well, in actuality, it wasn't. So it's just a miscalculation.
But I didn't need Twitter to tell me that. I knew that at the moment, like two seconds later.
If you're leaning on Twitter to give you anything important in your job, then you're probably A, in the wrong job, and B, you probably need a new source of critique for your job. Yes, yes.
That game was crazy, though. That game did, like, there was a moment in that second half where, like, whatever happens, it was after Josh Allen threw the pitch.
It doesn't matter what's said. It doesn't matter what happens.
This game has lost its mind. The Hail Mary to the fullback.
Yeah. That was a great one, too.
Yeah, the game watching it, I just felt like I was drunk after watching 50 minutes of it. It was insane.
I mean, that's just another day that ends the wire for you. That's true.
Man, I'm taking it from all sides here. Listen.
I haven't given it to you at all. Listen, here's what happened.
Big Cat made a little, small, tiny comment after Booger called me out for beers after. I don't think I did that.
Yeah, you did. And I latched at you when I should have latched back at Booger.
That's my mistake. But you're in the room with me.
Booger's not. Booger, you can at least acknowledge that I am improving.
I'm now beating other professional athletes. You have improved.
Speaking of racist things, I've noticed how you try to beat the white guys more than the black guys um interesting matt lonard is kind of your whooping boy um jeff swartz is definitely another one of those when it comes to myself and cliff averill you kind of stay away from the brothers and so i'm not sure if that is coincidence which i really don't believe in so since we're on this racial undertone across amer across America right now, I may as well bring that up. Credit to me.
Credit to me, the least racist Peloton rider in America. I do want to see – I think that you could become a professional bicyclist.
I want to see Booger wearing the yellow jacket or the yellow shirt, getting his cheeks kissed underneath the Arc de Triomphe at the Tour de France. Here's the problem with that is that, you know, when I first got to Peloton, I was given two options.
Do you get the seat cushion or do you put the shorts on that look like the pins? So I actually went and looked at the shorts, and when I tried them on, I'm like, there is no way. I did not want to be wearing diapers ever in my life.
I don't care if I'm on my deathbed. So I put the shorts back down and I went bought the seat cushion.
So being a professional cycler would probably require me to put the shorts back on. And I refuse to look like I have on a pair of the pants.
Hey, to accomplish what others can't, you have to be willing to do what others won't. Booger, put a diaper on.
I'm like, no, look at you reading some type of book of quotes today uh Booker I had one last question um I can't remember when it came out the uh short sleeve suit that you had what was that what was the story behind that do you still have that suit it's the most outrageous slash kind of works look it's a huge white maybe even beige it was it was beige first of all stop right there you're already distributed you're being disrespectful already okay yes beige suit with uh short sleeve so literally like cut off and super baggy what was that suit for was that your that wasn't your draft suit was it no i i wish it have been. I could have explained it a little bit more.
So I want you to take your mind back 17 years to 2003 ESPYs in Los Angeles. Oh, man.
Summertime, all right? It's warm in L.A. It's hot.
And so my tailor came to me, and he's like, hey, what do you want to do? You guys are up for team of the year. Are you going to the Eskimos? I'm like, yeah.
I said, I got to do something different, though. I don't want to just put on a suit and a tie.
He's like, I got something for you. And he starts telling me, and he said, have you ever won an Ascot? I'm like, what? He's like, the thing that Cedric Entertainer wears.
I'm like, okay, no, but I've seen him. seen him he's like i'm gonna make you a summer suit

okay hence the cut off sleeves for summertime i'm gonna make your summer suit and instead of a tie we're gonna have an ass guy so when i'm getting dressed in the room and i'm putting this thing on um i said this is either gonna be incredibly fly or incredibly bad now to my credit i thought it was incredibly fly.

Yeah.

But a lot of people

years later

have told me

that it wasn't

a lot of people years later uh have told me that it wasn't as fashionable as i thought however i like it i well i love it and if if you would have went to if you would if you would have gone to europe and say 2001 they were wearing those in europe so i was just trying to bring it to the united states got it got it all right well i'll say something nice about it the short the the the how bad the short sleeves look completely overshadow how truly awful the buttons are yeah the six buttons so that's something nice i could say about it good job there like it took me a second to look at it to be like oh my god does he have six buttons buttoned hey listen some of the things you do when you're younger I don't even know if you can explain the six buttons because it was so long like nowadays all your jackets are shorter so if I again, like if I did a redo, which I've seriously been thinking about doing a redo of that suit, it would probably be only three buttons and the V would probably come down probably like mid chest and I would just go like wife beater underneath. So I would have to shave my chest so the hairs wouldn't show know i would go a shirt or wife beater underneath and then just bring it down to like a two or three button yeah i think cam newton actually rocked a short sleeve suit a couple years ago didn't yeah yeah you were just yeah you were 18 years ahead of time that's all yeah i hear you there's also a little part of me that's like monday night football was like all right well Well, this embarrassing photo so Booger we'll kick you to the curb now because they did it during a I think they showed it during a broadcast right? that was when it was unveiled? that photo had been out there a while once I got hired by the network in 2014 um that that photo started making around so uh nationally i'm pretty sure it probably came out on monday night football but then it kind of circulated on the local level for a while that's that's like the key to if you give any tip to anyone who's uh going on to be the monday night football commentator like whatever embarrassing photos you have whether it be if you're bald and now you used to have hair or suits or anything, hold a couple back so that you can make sure they can use them for many years going forward because they love to do that.
That one random night where they're like, it's the break glass in case of emergency. It's the Patriots are up 40 points on a Monday Night Football game.
Let's start embarrassing everyone that's in the booth and part of the broadcast team. Yeah, you know, when you reach that point of the game, when you got to come, you know, you got to become storytellers.
You better have something in your back pocket. Did you ever bring like a prop up into the booth? Like I remember John Gruden used to bring a banana and like a blender and shit up there sometimes in case the game got really weird.
Did you ever bring anything up there?

No, man, never brought anything up in the booth, man. It was a I mean, you know, we had a couple of coffee machines.
But other than that, it was pretty status quo. Yeah.
Yeah. All right.
Well, this has been this has been great. Thank you for coming on.
Appreciate it. Are you do you consider yourself a buck for life or a colt for life? I live in Tampa.

So probably a buck for life, man. I will say this.
I flew to Indianapolis on AirTran the day after I got traded. So AirTran is not even around anymore.
It just shows you how long ago that's been. And I was scared to death.
I was honestly scared to death. I'd never been to the Midwest in my life.
I was scared of the weather. I was scared how a black man would be treating the Midwest.
Like, I honestly had no clue. I get off the plane and there was a, there was a lady at baggage claim who just came up to me and she's like, you're not from here, are you was like no man she's like well welcome to indianapolis it's a great city make sure you go to saint elmo's enjoy the people it is the nicest city you will ever visit and she foreshadowed what was to come i met the best people in my life in indianapolis some of the best restaurants i've ever been to in my life in indapolis.
I learned what Black Ice was for the first time in Indianapolis. Like there were so many things about Indianapolis that was eye-opening to me.
Two of the best years of my life was, you know, when I spent up there and those people up there couldn't have been nicer to me. And it gave me a newfound respect for what happened, excuse me, for people that live up there and man i respect the hell out of the midwest and um i got a chance to play some good golf balls up there too so uh even though i live in tampa and i'm around here and consider myself a buck for life i i wouldn't trade my two years in indy for nothing i love that i mean i love indianapolis as well it's a great city it's a great can go everywhere, but I just love the fact...
When's the last time you walked? Come on! Come on! I actually jumped rope this morning. No big deal.
Yeah, for 10 minutes. How long? 10 minutes.
Continuous? I'm trying to work on my diet first, then the workout. Join Bunza Anarchy.
I don't have a pel a weight i'm not rich like you guys okay listen listen since i've been on with you guys a couple times okay normally you don't ask a woman this but i'm gonna ask you this how much do you weigh right now i weigh 220 pounds down from i had a kid a year ago i was 245 when my kid was born you weigh 220 220? Yeah. That's a lie.

I don't believe that. I step on the scale every single morning.

He goes to the same doctor as Donald Trump.

I step on the scale every single morning.

There's no way you're...

Big cat, there's no...

I'll step on a scale for you.

I've never seen a big cat weigh 220.

Usually big cats are in the 280.

Dude, I don't touch a carb in a weekday for three months.

I'm just curious. If you don't mind, we can solve this.
Stand up. So I'm front and back.
You can't see me. Can you see me? No, just turn to the side.
I don't need to forward. Just turn to the side.
Slide up a little bit. No, that's back up.
Don't suck in your gut. This way? Yeah.
Yeah, okay. Well, you might be, yeah, probably 245.
245. I'll show you a picture of me 245.
To Big Cat's credit. I'm so fat at 245.
If you look at his face when he's 245, you can tell. It's so different.
And his face is a lot different. It's so different.
Yeah. Really? He has done a good job losing weight.
I weigh myself every morning. I will admit that.
So I'm starting to work out. Because he's not about that beer's afterlife, so he loses a lot of weight.
Starting to work out. Starting to work out.
But wait, I got sidetracked there. I just want to quote board the nicest things about Indianapolis.
The people, the food, and figuring out what black ice is about. Exactly.
Listen, because I had never experienced what it's like. And it was one morning I was on my way to work.
And like the first thing you do, like when I was playing, I would turn. I sleep with the TV on.
So I woke up. I turned the TV on to the news just to see what the weather was like.
The temperature says zero. And the lady was like, hey, make sure you're careful with the black ice out there.
I'm like, what is black ice? So I called Coach Dungey. And I was like, coach, do we have to come to work today? He's like, absolutely.
He said, just make sure you're careful and take your time. So I learned where black ice was when I went sliding down a hill, uh, that was covered in ice that you couldn't see.
So learn very quickly, man. Yes.
Damn. Um, before we let you go, you're also a tiger for life, LSU tiger for life.
We didn't get a chance to catch up with you after the national championship game i'm sure you had a crazy night that night as did we um what are your thoughts on lsu moving forward they you know obviously losing a lot of talent this year uh but they've got they're going to reload certainly but are you expecting top 10 finish what in booger's mind what is a successful season like next year definitely expect top 10. I think wearing the top 10 is going to depend on the quarterback that we have, whether it's Miles Brennan, whether it's Brad Johnson's kid, who's a freshman who enrolled in January, depending on who comes along.
LSU has now entered into the realm of programs. Hey, baby, we don't rebuild.
We just reload. That's all we do, okay? You know, we win a national title.
It's beers after. It's cigar by Joe Burrell.
Let's go on. Let's move on to the next one.
That's what we do now. Now, we're going to have to go out and back it up, which I'm surely and truly hoping that we do.
But Coach O, who you guys know, and I know you've talked to him before, like he is as genuine as a guy.

And I think he's relatable and he's the perfect fit for Louisiana.

They're doing an outstanding job of recruiting, man.

And as long as O is in charge, man,

I don't think he's going to allow LSU to go backwards.

They may not win the national championship next year,

but they are going to be a top 10 football team because O is kind of like all three of us, man.

Like O's been doubted all his life.

Like somebody told him just because of how he talked,

Thank you. next year, but they are going to be a top 10 football team because, oh, it's kind of like all three of us, man.
Like O's been dotted all his life. Like somebody told him just because of how he talked, he'd never have a job like that.
Somebody told him because of how he looked, he probably never have his own program, but look where he's at now. He's done it his way.
He's won a national championship and he is as loved in the state of Louisiana as you guys are in New York or all over the country, man. Like, he's that kind of love.
Yeah. I think that he's also a kind of guy that he just loves going to work every day.
Like, for him, it's not about winning a national title. Like, that's great, and I'm sure that's what his goal was last year.
But I think he's just excited every single day that he gets to go in and he gets to coach football. That's like a dream day for for him is his entire life yeah he's listen always looking forward to to when all this COVID-19 stuff in by the way have you nobody's talked about that in about a week okay yeah so as soon as soon as that comes back and it ends again and coaches and players can get back to work he's looking forward to it.
Maybe then instead of jogging outside and having photos of him jogging at the slowest pace I've ever seen. Like him and Big Cat could have a race.
Who could jog the slowest? Oh, I'd win that. I'd win that for sure.
Well, I mean, I don't know. No, I'd go slower.
Yeah, no, I went for a jog two weeks ago. It was a little less than a mile, and by that I mean it was half a mile, but it was slow.
It was very slow. So I think I'd win that.
Now, you saw the video. Yeah.
You saw the video of O jogging. Coach O is slow, but he's determined.
You're not going to ever stop him. No one can stop him from jogging, even if he's going two miles an hour.
He's just going to keep going until the world ends. I sent the message.
I said, oh, better use of energy. Just walk fast.
It's true. It's true.
Well, Booger, thank you so much. We really appreciate it, man.
Anytime. Hopefully we can see you travel soon, see you in New York in person.
But anytime you want to come on, you're always a guest here. Yep, for sure.
Send me what ride you want to do on Saturday. Yeah, absolutely.
45 minutes Saturday. Big Cat, you're welcome to join.
Get a bike. Go to a neighbor's house.
You're welcome to join in. Okay.
Fine. I'll just do beers after if I'm allowed.
I don't know if I'm allowed. You can always do beers after.
I'm not allowed.

After the 45 minute ride, group FaceTime.

PFT will FaceTime me and he can FaceTime you and you can see how

we feel and the connectedness

that we have after a 45 minute ride.

Saturday's my cheat day so I'll have a mouth

full of donuts. His face will look

like it's back to 240.

Saturdays always get out of hand.

Alright, thanks Booger. Take you Booger.
Take care man.

Anytime. Take it.
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Okay, let's finish up the show. We got a good week coming, by the way.
Next week, we got Blake Griffin coming on Monday, and then we have the return of Dungeons & Dragons on Wednesday. Very excited about that.
So get excited. So the end of the show, we're going to do Sour Grapes documentary review.
Where do we want to start? Billy, did you actually watch? I did watch. Okay, Billy, who was your favorite character in sour grapes? Uh, I liked, uh, uh, the guy who dressed up as a cowboy and went on the front of the magazine because that was the only amusing thing in the whole thing.
You, okay. So the 10th richest person in the world, I thought he was just like a weirdo.
No, he's, he's like one of the richest people in the entire world. And so he got upset that he was being scammed.
And then he hired that detective to go. Although that was a pretty swaggy magazine cover.
I'll give you that. I watched the Epstein documentary going into this.
And the whole time I was like, which one of these guys go to the petto island? Because if you're that obsessed with a random lukewarm drink, then you've got to be messed up in the head. And they also had a lot of money.
So I was like, these guys are definitely going to the island. Yep.
All right. So you did watch it.
Okay. So you watch it.
So I guess we should start with, um, it's the perfect crime. It really is.
Even though he's in jail. I know that sounds very like counterintuitive because he got caught, but finding a way to sell, to get a bunch of rich white dudes drunk and then pulling a scheme on them while they're drunk is genius.
Well, if you're confident enough in anything that you say, you can fool anybody. But it's a hell of a lot easier to fool people if they're all buzzed off really expensive red wine.
And it kind of reveals what I thought all along. Wine people are full of shit.
Most of them are, yeah. Yeah, because they're just...
Probably 99% of them. That end scene is so fucking good when Hollywood Jeff, who's got just some serious red cheeks and red nose, and that douchebag finance bro he rolls around with in one of the opening scenes where he's like, if you can't drink 08 drink 96 if you can't drink 96 drink 02

if you can't drink 02 drink fucking beer

and I was like god I love this guy

he's like Scott Disick

on wine. I loved

Hollywood Jeff. I thought that Hollywood Jeff

but at the end he still refused

to admit. He's like oh this is real.
This is a real

one. It's good to know that we still got some of these

real ones. What's the guy's name? Rudy.

Rudy. It's great to know that we

still got some real Rudys and then they go to this

I'm going drink this. I think that most people could probably tell the difference between a $7 bottle of wine and a $70 bottle.
But anything above that, you can can be influenced by a cool looking label. You could be influenced by somebody who talks like Rudy with enough authority that he's telling you that this is good.
By the way, I kind of want to hang out with Rudy. Yeah, it seems like a good hang.
I think that Rudy would be a pretty cool guy. If you've scammed somebody out of millions of dollars and you're in jail and they're sitting there in their wine cellar saying, you know what? I'm really glad I got to know Rudy for those years.
Like it was worth $3 million to me to just chill with Rudy for three years. Right.
And so they, that was a Hollywood Jeff ride or die. He, they're going to have a great laugh about all this when Rudy gets out of jail.
Uh, the other main character that I loved is the french winemaker who that guy is the essence of class like if you hang out with him you just feel classy down to the car he drove like those those uh drone shots of the of the rolling it is france yeah and he's just as cool as could be just defending the fuck out of his wine label. I love that guy.
He didn't even want to do it. He was just like he goes to the wine auction at a place where he could stand to make millions and millions of dollars.
And he just goes, take my wines out. Yeah, I would not.
I will refuse to have them sold. The I don't understand.
Pretty good French accent. Fascination of buying 46,000 bottles of wine.
Bill Coke like that. How? Why? I don't understand pretty good french accent the fascination of buying 46 000 bottles of wine bill coke like that how why i don't think you want to buy 46 000 of anything in the entire world 46 i'd before i would like to have 46 000 100 bills there you go i would buy that yeah for less than 46 100 if the price is right i'll get it but yeah having 46000 bottles of wine.
And this goes for a lot of people in this story. At some point, you just become rich enough that you don't know what to do with your money.
And so you just get into weird habits. It's boredom.
Yeah. It's like, I guess I'll become an expert on wine.
That's what other rich people are doing. I do respect a couple of the guys in this movie.
I respected their love of the wine game. Like the one guy who has collected every bottle of wine he's ever drank like the labels off of him yeah i'm like you know what like if you're gonna i'm a big live and let live guy like if you're gonna pick the list of hobbies that someone could have drinking wine and being a little bit of a snob is not that bad if yeah and he was pure about about it, too.
He kept it in a little filing cabinet. He was like, oh, I remember when I drank this with my friend Ricky.
That was a lot of fun. That guy was cool, but if you're just going to have him on display down in your basement and forget about him.
Although, having the bottle of wine that was made by Thomas Jefferson is also pretty cool. That was cool, although that was probably Rudy probably fucking made it in his apartment.
That would be a very easy one to fake. Yeah.
And then the other character I really loved was the investigator with his dog. Just kept on coming into the room.
And at the end when he drinks that beer and he's just like, he's just short stumpy dude who's wearing a fucking suit in his house and like has the tennis ball. And he's like,, now we can finally play.
He's like, spot. And it's just great.
I also like that he was referred to as my bulldog investigator. If you hire an investigator, he better fucking be balding.
Because then you can call him your bulldog. He better be short, stocky, have a big, decent-sized neck on him.
Like the dude from McMillions, once he starts to go bald, he immediately a bulldog bulldog right now he's like a golden retriever because he's too happy but like this guy was the definition of a bulldog investigator uh i loved i loved the french guy when he was getting in his car and he was like i i decided to drive to like japan yeah and it's like did did you drive from france all the way like across and then that made me think for a while like that's pretty sick that i bet some people have driven from like one tip of europe yes all the way to like the tip of siberia ball race yeah that's sick people that's awesome i would be interested to to talk to people that just drive across continents at some point the um other hollywood jeff like dude are you serious moment was uh they go in they raid Rudy's house and the FBI uh officers like I could like if you I think his line was if you had listed 10 things that I would need to make a case he had he had 10 times 10 times 10 times 10 of those things because he had everything it was literally everything you needed and then Hollywood Jeff is like well I mean he didn't have like glue and like there wasn't any like printing presses where did they all come from where did all these maybe he maybe he was just buying them and and maybe he was creating them so he would know how to spot future fake wine so yes uh yeah he's still he's like some of the guys in the fire fest documentary that are still like you know what bill Billy is a great guy. Yeah.
I enjoyed hanging out with him. The times were cool.
If Hollywood Jeff was on that jury, Rudy would be a free man right now. Yes, absolutely.
Even though he's the victim of all this. You'd be like, but tell me this, Rudy.
Did you have fun? Yeah. He'd be like, okay, well, we can't prosecute him.
He had fun. I also think that if you're making a documentary about uh fraudulent wine please only use one definition of the word seller that got a little confusing when they were talking about the seller of the wine it's like wait is this a mere pete benefit concert or is this like an auction that they're like are you talking about a physical place or are you talking about a person like a merchant that's selling i want to go to one of those and just drive up the price but then probably get stuck with wine that i don't want it'd still be fun yeah i mean yeah having uh having a lot of something that you that was a dumb purchase is kind of how we live well i was also looking at it like it would be cool to drink a bottle of wine from like 1952 like what's going on in the world that year yeah i mean that's kind of a cool idea in hollywood jeff's description of like wine is art but it's also art that you consume and then the art becomes part of you right that's a big time wine guy i think so that's a big that's a big blossoms rosy cheek yeah that explains why your nose looks like it's gonna fall off yes he yeah he had um some of the worst skin that i've ever seen he drinks a lot of wine but he's also rich good for him what what a imagine sitting in one of those, uh, angry gentlemen, whatever angry, the 12 angry men dinners that they used to do like that.
Put a bullet in my head where they just sit there with a bunch of glasses of wine and just to talk all hoity toity on each other. Well, a lot of the questions were, what do you do for a living? Where's your money from? And shout out to Rudy who just responded to, I'm a scammer.
I scam people out of money. And then he pauses for like three seconds and then laughs.
He's got you. You should have seen the look on all your faces.
So January 9th, 2021 is the first day that Rudy can come out of prison. Okay, Rudy, I want you to, I want to hire you.
We want Hollywood Jeff and Rudy on the show. Drunk.
Jeff is definitely, I was going to say he's going to pick him up from, Jeff is going gonna ride while his sober friend picks Rudy up from jail with him and then they're gonna get hammered on the fucking bottle of champagne from 1920 uh the lawyers for Rudy I've never seen a more incompetent duo of lawyers in my life they asked him like okay so what what do you think Rudy did that was bad he's like well there's a difference between fraud and faking a product and selling it for 500 times the price that it should be sold. Well, the one thing I would say that their argument, they were like, but the experience was real.
Yeah. And I'm like, you know what? You're kind of right.
When it's a product like wine, if you consume it and you're happy and you enjoy the taste and you think it's real, well, you're not going to get those emotions that you felt at the time were real. Right.
It's not like buying a fake jewelry or something and then you're going around and showing everyone. Like you're consuming it and it was a fun time.
And I don't know, that one scene where the lawyer was outside is like, I've had cases with mob bosses with bodies, dead bodies that have gotten less time. It's like, so you're admitting that you're just throwing your other guy under the bus? That's pretty fucked up.
Also, when they raided Rudy's shit and they got all those bottles of wine, I forget how many they had to destroy, like tens of thousands. Yeah, why not drink it? Yeah, just't give a shit i'll drink counterfeit wine sell it i'll probably yeah i'll take it do a counterfeit wine sell-off or you can have you can host classes and teach people this is what counterfeit wine yeah what do you got billy the guard the guys destroying it were drinking it you didn't get you didn't pick up on that no why were they no like it was, it was like the joke.
Oh. What? Yeah, you could see them joking about it.
Oh. They were like, we're not actually smashing all of this.
Good for them. Good pickup, Billy.
And did you also get how he faked the wines? Like he was mixing them? Yeah. He's a mixologist.
Yeah, it was kind of cool. That was cool.
So he was actually maybe making better wines. There were, it sounded like there was a trial and error that went into it that he was making good wine.
Like honestly, like he was doing like what the big winemakers were doing, but just like. Illegally.
Honestly, probably a little more efficiently. Yeah, good point.
He didn't have to do the growing. He was just mixing.
I do wish they had sold. A counterfeit auction would be so thrilling.

Everything you buy here is fake, but you still can.

Or if they're like, everything that you're going to buy here is fake except one bottle,

and we're not going to tell you which one it is. And it's a million dollars.

And then you know what?

Everyone that buys their wine, they will think that that's their bottle.

Yeah.

I liked it, though.

It was a good documentary. What are we going to watch next? Do we have any ideas? Hmm.
Oh, we could watch the Lance documentary. Oh, yeah.
30 for 30, Lance Armstrong. Yeah.
Sounds like a ball. What were you going to say, Billy? Could we watch Icarus? No, I started that.
I saw that. Yeah, also, I don't want to get killed by Putin.
Yeah, let's watch Lance. Let's watch Lance, because I didn't even know Lance came out.
Yeah, Lance. Is that the name of it? Whatever the 30 for 30 on Lance Armstrong is.
The last Lance. The last Lance with Lance Armstrong.
2.2 Rick Riley. That was lame.
All right, so we're going to watch Lance for next week. Someone tell Lance to come on.
Let's get Lance on. Be like, hey, dude, why are you a douchebag? Yeah, he's got a podcast.

Yeah.

Lance, come on our podcast.

Come on, Lance.

Everyone tweet at Lance tomorrow.

Bleep out where Big Cat called him a douchebag.

No, I said he, why are you such a douchebag?

Okay, why would other people think that you're such a douchebag?

Including me.

Including Big Cat.

Right, so it's just a question.

Come on the podcast to discuss this.

Yeah, all right.

We'll see everyone on Monday.

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