Mick Cronin, Jay Glazer, and the Grit Week 19 Finale

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, Grit Week is over.

Speaker 1 It's sad. It's been a hell of a week.
Great week. And we have a great show for you because we're going to get it up one last time.

Speaker 2 One last time for the boys.

Speaker 1 Even Hank. Even Hank.
Mick Cronin on the show. Jay Glazer on the show.
Firefest of the Week on the show. We actually were able to watch some basketball.
Oh, fuck yes.

Speaker 1 Smelling salt. Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 On the show. We just did a smelling salt on the show.
Wow. Wait, give me another one.
Yeah, here. Pass it, pass.

Speaker 1 Oh, oh, shout out the guy who gave us smelling salts at Ralph's on Wednesday, whatever day that was.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 that was awesome. We have all that on the show.

Speaker 1 I feel so fucking good now. That was a total game changer.
Hank, way to go, dude. Way to go.
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Today is Friday, May 24th.

Speaker 1 and Aaron Rodgers has completely cursed the Milwaukee Bucks. Big man card situation.

Speaker 1 I said at the start of the playoffs, I was like,

Speaker 1 the speed in which your football players chug beers is directly correlated to your basketball team's success in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 And we've seen it time and again in the NHL, in the NBA, and guess what? Rodgers absolutely cursed him. And then...
Christian Yelich. Then Christian Yelich piled on him, and he chugged a beer.

Speaker 1 Chugged a beer. David Bactiari chugged three beers.
And then, to add insult to injury, Matt Stafford was watching the game in a bar and he chugged a beer too.

Speaker 1 And that's a man that knows how to win in the playoffs. Yes, exactly.
So, and not only that, but there's actually no state worse to be in and not be able to chug a beer than the state of Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 If you can't chug a beer in the state of Wisconsin, you got to get out like instantly. So Aaron Rodgers has cursed the Bucs.
Excommunicated.

Speaker 1 I didn't want to say it, but that's what people are talking about. I saw Twitter.
It was trending. I saw it was trending Rodgers beer.
I just assumed cursed was also in there.

Speaker 1 They just ran out of characters.

Speaker 1 So we have that. We got to talk about this game.
We actually watched a basketball game for the first time this week. Thankfully, we've been going up and down the coast, doing a million interviews.

Speaker 1 We'll get to the rest of Grit Week, the finale of Grit Week in a minute. But let's talk about this game.
Real quick. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What do you think Drake would have done? If the camera panned to him on the sidelines, okay, well, do you think he would have chugged a beer?

Speaker 1 No, he probably would have chugged like what's that? He doesn't he have hypnotic. yeah, sirock, sirok.
No, you know what he would have done. What does he have? He has an alcohol, right?

Speaker 1 He's got a whiskey or something. Oh, yeah, Virginia whiskey, yeah, dude.
I think he has that commercial where he's in that sweater and he's like trying to smell that girl's.

Speaker 1 That might be a music video.

Speaker 1 You're talking about Joe Button trying to smell a girl's hair? No, yeah, yeah, no, no, no. He, Liam, he has a fact check that he's got a liquor.

Speaker 1 He would have just gone over to Nick Nurse and just funneled the beer into Nick Nurse. Yes, so yeah, exactly.
Just helped him like a sippy cup. Uh, so

Speaker 1 we had the beer chug. What is it? Virginia Black.
Virginia Black. So just, it was on the tip of our tongue.
We almost had it.

Speaker 1 It's funny you bring up Drake. We've got to get to the actual game, but this league, man.

Speaker 1 So Mallory Edens, who is the daughter of the owner of the Bucks, sat next to Aaron Rodgers, wore a Pusha T t-shirt.

Speaker 1 And then when the Raptors won,

Speaker 1 Drake changed his Instagram profile picture to a picture of Mallory Edens, this elite. So petty.

Speaker 5 People forget he never actually responded to Pusha T, though.

Speaker 1 To the disc track?

Speaker 1 This is

Speaker 1 to the disc track. I just remembered.

Speaker 5 You told us he was quick for Mallory.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's the most Canadian response ever to a disc track is to just wait and then like subtly change your social media. Take your time.
Yeah. Yeah.
Take as much time as possible.

Speaker 1 That's as mean as they get in Canada. You know what? I'm real ticked.
I'm going to change my avatar. Yeah, that's what

Speaker 1 Drake sounds. But the game.
Okay, let's talk about the game real quick. In honor of Grit Week, Fred Van Vliet.
Yeah. Seven for nine from three.
Had the game of his life.

Speaker 1 Gritta Van Vliet, the March of the Peaceful Army. Yeah, he was awesome.
He was awesome. What do you, what, hey? I don't know.
I just don't know.

Speaker 1 Greta Van Vlik is the name of a band. Yeah.
And they have a song.

Speaker 1 Everyone's like, oh my God. They're the new Led Zeppelin.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah, close.

Speaker 1 Do you like them? It does sound like a U-boat commander. Yeah.
Do you like them?

Speaker 1 Gritta Van Vlik? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I feel like

Speaker 1 it's been pushed a little hard on us. Like, this is the band that will save rock and roll.
It's like, meh. Yeah, they're like Led Zeppelin if they did all the wrong drugs.
Right.

Speaker 1 They're essentially

Speaker 1 an American Led Zeppelin that happened 40 years after it was cool to be Led Zeppelin. Yes.
Which is exactly what I was doing.

Speaker 1 I think we've just covered all the Greta Van Vleek talk. Yes.
So, all right. So, Fred Van Vliet had the game of his life, and

Speaker 1 Kawhi was okay, but Giannis

Speaker 1 had a software upgrade to him.

Speaker 1 He was better than Giannis.

Speaker 1 He wasn't 45-point Kawhi, who we've seen at points in this playoffs. Oh, he ended with 35.
Kawhi is the fucking guy who, like, you can just watch a game and not realize that he's got 35 points.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Because it's so efficient and it's so robotic and steady throughout where it just happens. And you're like, wait, you look up and you're like, oh, shit.
Kawhi's got 28.

Speaker 1 How'd that happen? Like,

Speaker 1 I feel like I've only seen him make two buckets. Noted conservative, Kawhi Leonard, probably really wants a White House visit.
Yes. So Kawhi had a very good game.
Giannis was not great.

Speaker 1 And he was good, but he wasn't MVP, Giannis.

Speaker 1 We had the best part of the game as at the end when he turned his ankle, came out for a possession, and Chris fucking Weber.

Speaker 1 I cannot stand Chris Weber.

Speaker 1 Like, sitting there and being like, he quit on his team. Chris Weber.

Speaker 1 Chris Weber. For everything good that Jawan Howard did for the Fab 5 today, Chris Weber ruined it with the commentary at the end.
I just something about, like, he just, I don't like Chris Weber.

Speaker 1 He's very bad at diagnosing injuries. Yeah.
Well, no, that was Reggie Miller that. Reggie Miller and Chris Weber together to start the worst hospital of all time.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I just something about him and the fact that the

Speaker 1 fact that he was like, yeah, Giannis quit, which I don't even know what happened. I don't know if he came out because of the ankle or if it was he was actually tired.

Speaker 1 Well, no, I'm betting that Giannis came out because he was hurt. Yeah, but Chris Weber saying like a team, Giannis is coming up small in a big moment is like,

Speaker 1 Chris Weber, dude. See Webb.
And I know the whole, like, you know, you got to let it go because he's now an analyst, but it still feels weird, doesn't it? Don't forget he traveled on that play, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he did in the championship. They didn't call that.
They did not. They did not call that.
They actually would have rather them called that.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 Because then

Speaker 1 they got the free throw and the ball. Ball don't lie.
Right. Puck don't fuck.

Speaker 1 So now I guess the Bucs are in trouble, and we have Drake is going to be around for the next three weeks bothering us if the Raptors finish it off at home? I'm hoping for that.

Speaker 1 Now, I was on the Bucs train big time, and then I was off, then I was back on, then I was off, then I was back on again.

Speaker 1 But now I think I'm off again official status because I want Drake in the finals.

Speaker 2 Off, on, off.

Speaker 1 Flip-flop, flip-flop, flip. So you're basically just going with whoever wins the game.
I want Drake on the sidelines in the final final. The Bucs will end the Bucks.
Yeah, okay, got it.

Speaker 1 But I've thought about it, and having Drake on the sidelines for what I think would be a short NBA finals would add at least a little bit of intrigue to it.

Speaker 1 Kevin Durant and Demarcus Cousins already ruled out for game one.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 5 Over, under six games left in the NBA season.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Great question.
Exactly six. Over.
I'm betting the push. I'll bet over.

Speaker 1 I'll take the under. Good question.
I'll bet over.

Speaker 1 I think whatever the finals is going to be, it's going to go.

Speaker 5 Well, you're going to factor in game seven.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, five or six.

Speaker 1 Whatever the finals will be.

Speaker 2 I think the Warriors sweep are going five.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
I think he's pretty good. Kwai is pretty good.
Will they do the thing where they just make his ankle blow out in the first game?

Speaker 5 I mean, the Warriors are clicking on all cylinders and they have like 15 days.

Speaker 1 Rest to Rust.

Speaker 2 No, but it's like

Speaker 1 good point. You need to shoot every day to be good at shooting.
As a shooter, someone who has shot the ball

Speaker 1 who has shot it. Didn't say if it went in or not, but I have shot.
When I do not shoot, it hurts my game. You don't think they're shooting?

Speaker 1 Who knows? Who's to say? I haven't seen it. I won Carl Everett, Dinosaurs.
A real quick Skip Bayless update here. So he's got a new person that he hates, and it's Kawhi Leonard.
Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 So Kawhi is like his new LeBron because LeBron really isn't in the discussion anymore, so he has to move on with his takes. Skip is a Spurs fan, correct? He is a big Spurs fan.
Yes, my Spurs.

Speaker 1 He only refers to him as number two now, which is like, I don't know if he's calling Duke shit or if he's saying like he's Robin, but he's saying

Speaker 1 number two wanted no part of having to shoot those clinching free throws, so he retreated from three Raptors trying to foul him. Oh, no, no.
Sorry, that's Giannis.

Speaker 1 Wait.

Speaker 1 And that's the one. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to figure this out because he said he. Oh, Skip fucked up.
We're not high. We're not high.

Speaker 1 Not Bassels. Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 We're fucking high. Skip fucked it up.
I don't fight. What were those guys took? That was a smelling song.
Smelling salts. But back to Skip.

Speaker 1 He said he retreated from three Bucks trying to foul him, lobbed a dangerous pass to Lowry, who got tackled. No foul call.
And Toronto lucked into a clinching dunk by Siakam. And then he said,

Speaker 1 nailed it.

Speaker 1 Now we see if the limping legend is. He did the thing where, like,

Speaker 1 if you can't say a name, you just say it as quick as possible. Yep.

Speaker 1 No, that's a really good way to do things.

Speaker 1 But then later, this is actually his piesta resistance of the night. Now we see if the limping legend can stand up to the pressure of a close-out home game to get to the NBA finals.

Speaker 1 So Kawhi is the limping legend.

Speaker 1 He did have the quad injury that kept him out for an entire year when it probably was a week-long injury. But Skip is furious.
So the two things, one, Skip Bayless, two, Drake, having,

Speaker 1 those are the two reasons why you should root for the Raptors to be in the NBA Finals.

Speaker 5 And something not enough people are talking about, Gucci Mane went to his first game in Canada.

Speaker 5 He wasn't allowed in Canada. He said it in a song.
He finally went to his first game in Canada, wore a Bucs jersey.

Speaker 1 They haven't won since. Gucci Mane curse.
What do you have to do to not be allowed in Canada?

Speaker 5 Well, he's been arrested for killed him.

Speaker 1 Remember, they changed you recently. If you even have like a...
If you got let off for self-defense. Okay, respect Canada.

Speaker 1 Actually, that was a bad point by me. Bad brain.
Bad brain me because you're not allowed to go to Canada if you have a DUI either. How would you know that?

Speaker 1 Because I've helped plan a bachelor party in Montreal. And you have a DUI? And no, it's just, hey, just so you guys know, if you have a DUI, you can't go.
And a guy was like, yeah, I can't go.

Speaker 1 That's actually a great excuse to go have a bachelor party. Everyone should get a preemptive DUI.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But whatever may be, whatever happened in this game, I think it all has to come full circle. Aaron Rodgers definitely cursed the Bucs.
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Like that is, you cannot have your quarterback not finish a beer. What was that? Well, Tom Brady can chug a beer faster than Bach Tiari can.
Yes. And

Speaker 1 who'd he go against that told the story?

Speaker 1 It was Ross Tucker. Ross Tucker, that's right.
So what I don't understand, I think Aaron Rodgers is going to do a thing.

Speaker 1 Like someone's going to ask him about this, and he's going to be like, I don't do peer pressure. Like, everyone wanted me to chug that beer.
I I didn't want to chug that beer. I actually drink mead.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So I

Speaker 1 challenged him already to a whiskey. He was like, next time, make it a whiskey.
Oh, so. Yeah, we all chug our whiskeys at about the same speed.
Yeah, you would still probably lose to David Backton.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, it is disgraceful to the state of Wisconsin. Yeah.
And I mean, I'm just saying, how far is this curse going to go? We don't know. Maybe it's next year.

Speaker 1 Maybe to Christian Yelich, maybe, maybe to the Packers, maybe forever. We will not be a real shame.
All right, grit week.

Speaker 1 We are

Speaker 1 damn. Yeah, that was.
It was something.

Speaker 1 I don't think that we've ever done this many interviews in this short of time. We're not telling you guys everyone that we've done.
We're going to keep a couple secrets.

Speaker 1 We're going to keep a couple close to the vest to surprise you with later, but it's been fun and it's been probably the widest range of interviews that we've ever done. We did six on Wednesday.

Speaker 1 We did four on Tuesday. We did another two today.

Speaker 1 A couple more Sunday and Monday. I think we're going to end up tomorrow.
Yeah, one tomorrow. I think we're going to end up with like 15 or so.
And it was awesome. Huge guests.
Very fun time.

Speaker 1 We didn't get in any fights, which was very big of us.

Speaker 1 Credit to a couple people.

Speaker 1 Kelly, who helped book. Shout out to Kells.
She's probably not even going to listen to this. She definitely doesn't listen.
What's her Twitter? Find her Twitter. Everyone, tweet her.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 Let's do that. Let's

Speaker 1 do nice. Yeah, let's tweet.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Shout out to Charles, the sound sound guy, who is going to be on the show at the end of the show.

Speaker 1 And shout out to all the AWLs who showed up to Ralphs and had the cops called on us. That was really nice.
You know what?

Speaker 1 It would have been badass if we had gotten arrested there because the charge would have been inciting a riot. Yes, they actually.

Speaker 1 It was actually a sweet fucking charge. So we showed up to Ralphs.
It was incredible. There was like legit 350, 400 people there.
And we start talking to everyone, taking pictures, hanging out.

Speaker 1 And then the manager at Ralphs comes over to me and he's like, hey, what are you guys doing? And I was like, What do you mean? We're like here, we're taking pictures, we're doing a body armor thing.

Speaker 1 She's like, Well, we're about to call the police. And I was like, Well, can we just hang out and take these pictures? She's like, She just walked away.
She's like, I'm calling the police.

Speaker 1 And also, if you're damn

Speaker 1 into crowd estimation, like we are, especially during parades, if you see the picture that we tweeted out, that's not everybody that was no, that was the people that stuck around at the very, very end when we got the pictures.

Speaker 1 Also, I did officiate a wedding in the back of Gretza Van Vliet, but it turned out that they were pranking us and they were brother and sister and they didn't actually kiss each other.

Speaker 5 Thank God, to be honest.

Speaker 1 Yeah, thank God. But I did pronounce them husband and wife, so I think they're married.
Yeah, that's probably not. Well, no, but it wasn't their real names, and there wasn't their real names.

Speaker 5 So you did a bad job as a minister.

Speaker 1 Bad job. Next time I'm checking IDs.
I think

Speaker 1 Leroy the dog. Oh, you shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 Because Leroy's. I mean, no, wait, whoa, hey, no, no, no.
Because Leroy's 50. He's one for two on

Speaker 1 weddings. That's way bigger than Leroy's average.
Leroy nailed Joan Howard to Michigan. Oh, great.
Two days ago.

Speaker 1 The one that everyone was saying? So, boop. No, he said it first.
Oh. No, people talked about it like a week ago.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then when Ed, it was Ed Cooley, Ed Cooley, Ed Cooley, and Leroy bucked the trend and said it's not Ed Cooley, it's Joan Howard. I'm just happy he delete that.
Boop. Yeah.
Boop.

Speaker 1 He doesn't delete anymore. You just need to make people fuck before.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

Speaker 1 oh, all right, well, you gotta fuck. Let me marry a brother and sister.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so no, shout out to everyone who came out. The cops got called.
We've got the cops called on us twice this week.

Speaker 1 I don't understand what California is, about people just coming up and being like, Hey, I'm calling the cops. Permit.
Yeah. Do you have a permit? No.
I'm calling the cops.

Speaker 1 Do I look like somebody that has a permit for anything? It was fast, too. It was like

Speaker 1 in California, I guess it's one question, I'm calling the cops.

Speaker 1 I felt like the

Speaker 1 girl, the barbecue lady in Oakland. So the lady that saw us filming today, that's Boardwalk Becky.
Yes.

Speaker 1 You have a permit? She made my space. Where's your manager? She said that.

Speaker 1 Any other grit week things that we need to discuss? I mean, it was an awesome week.

Speaker 1 It was fucking a blur. And I feel like we traveled up and down everywhere.
We didn't die. It's going to be a good summer.
In the van. Going to be a great summer.
Happy Memorial Day.

Speaker 1 Happy Memorial Day. You can wear white after Memorial Day.
Uh-huh. Or if you're a virgin, you can wear it before.
Also true.

Speaker 1 Should we do Fire Fest? Let's do it. Let's do some Fire Fests.
Hank, why don't you start with your Fire Fest?

Speaker 5 Okay, this is kind of a preemptive Fire Fest or a prelated Fire Fest. I don't know what the proper

Speaker 5 that we're going to be in New York next week. It's just that we've spent this entire week.
Because I was thinking earlier, it was like, oh, Fire Fest of the week is like...

Speaker 5 There are no Fire Fests. We've been in California enjoying this beautiful Los Angeles weather, having a great week.

Speaker 5 I have no Fire Fest, but I know on Monday when it's like, fuck, we're just in New York for the summer. Don't miss that.
We're not going to be coming back to L.A. anytime soon.

Speaker 5 Probably only going to have like one vacation this summer. Oh, man.

Speaker 1 The best part about being in L.A. this week is everyone's saying, you brought the bad weather with you, and it's like 65 and sunny.
And we're like, this is awesome.

Speaker 1 This is incredible.

Speaker 5 We also spent some time with Mark Titus yesterday, and he was talking about how much he loved it.

Speaker 1 That was

Speaker 1 true. Because he's not that guy, and he was like, the only thing I hate about this place is how much I love it.
I was like, what? That sucks. Exactly what I I needed you guys to hear.

Speaker 1 But time zone, when we get back to New York, it's actually going to be good weather next week.

Speaker 1 But it's still in New York. That's the point.
Right. When it's good weather in New York, it's like, one, you know, it's fleeting.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Two, you know, if it's hot, it's just going to bounce off the trash directly into your nostrils.

Speaker 1 New York's weather is this: it's 40 and uh below, it's miserable because it's you know, either snowing or cold or whatever, it's wintertime. Uh, 40 to 60, it's definitely raining.

Speaker 1 60 to 77 is nice, 77 up is smells like hot trash and puke and diarrhea. Amendment 60 to 77 is nice, but that's also the start of mystery water hitting you on the sidewalk.
Yes. What would you Charles?

Speaker 5 You're an LA local. What would you rate this week of weather?

Speaker 1 Oh, Charles, you got a mic? It's been about a seven. Okay, seven? Yeah.
Dude,

Speaker 1 that's a 13 out of 10. That's a LA.
It's a 10 week. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All in LA is like, that's if you're in New York City, that's an 11.
Yeah, when we were with Blake Griffin and I was like, hey, Blake,

Speaker 1 how

Speaker 1 hot does it get in the summer? He's like, maybe 90 at the most. I was like, God damn it.
This place is fucking perfect. Because I can't take the heat.

Speaker 1 I'm fine with the cold. Fuck.
God damn it. Shut up, Hank.
Is that it? Yeah. Yeah.
Okay, Fire Fest of the Week. You're one.
My Fire Fest of the Week is

Speaker 1 I broke my rib today. A pretty much broken rib.
I have a pretty much broken rib, so it hurts to laugh. Good thing that this show's not very funny, so I'll be okay on that front.

Speaker 1 We we were filming a video and i thought you were uh like doing this for the video you thought i was doing a chaos on it yeah no we were filming a video that should be out tomorrow yeah tomorrow the chaos today the chaos bros and i was doing yoga on the beach for one shot and i tried to do the worm bad move because i've never actually done the worm in my life no one has no one really has yeah and i i didn't know how to start so i just dove onto my chest chest first yeah and i broke my rib pretty much damn it's basically

Speaker 1 pretty much broken rib yeah basically my My other Fire Fest of the week is. Well, this is also prelated

Speaker 1 because

Speaker 1 we're going to have to get messy, I think. I think one of us is going to have to get messy.

Speaker 1 Mike Florio wrote a blog today about how Kirk Cousins challenged him to do the broken egg challenge for crack cancer. And it's pretty much you just.
Wait, what's crack cancer?

Speaker 1 It's a fundraiser. It's like the ice bucket challenge.
It's cancer when you smoke just crack. No,

Speaker 1 that's also a thing. Yeah, yeah, I know.
It's just called addiction. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So with Florio, he has to break eggs on his face. He actually wrote in his blog on his Toupeg, but it's really just a short face.
Okay.

Speaker 1 He has to break eggs on his face, and then he gets to nominate multiple people to do it next. And

Speaker 1 don't let him know that we're on to him, but he's going to choose one of us, if not both of us. What if I just say no? Well, then you support cancer.
Well, I mean, at some point...

Speaker 1 Well, I support stopping cancer. But you support cancer if you don't support paying money to cure cancer.
Well, maybe eggs is part of healthy living, so why would I waste an egg?

Speaker 1 Well, it's also high in cholesterol, so it contributes to heart disease. I didn't say that.

Speaker 1 That's one egg whites, my fire. That's one egg white that somebody else said.
You're taking a bullet for somebody.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I probably.

Speaker 1 I'll just donate to cancer. He's probably going to nominate.
Yeah, I'll donate to doing a video.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'm just letting you know. My last fire fest of the week is I left my laptop charger and my phone charger.
Yes. Back in New York.
And all your pens.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 look at this. I got three pens.
I've been amassing them. Oh, you finally found them.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I left my laptop charger and my phone charger in New York for an entire week, and I've somehow managed to scavenge charges from you guys. You've been chasing me.

Speaker 1 It's been, it's been, it's been very, it's been half the conversations. As we do it, I'm going to give you that back.

Speaker 1 Half the conversations have also not your charger. Yeah, I know.
Half the conversation have been, hey, can I get a charge? Can I get a quick charge? Does anyone have a brick?

Speaker 1 You're just walking around being like, hey, whose brick is this?

Speaker 1 Just plugging, unplugging things and being like, is this anyone's? Like, yeah, that, yeah, that's, yeah, that is something.

Speaker 5 I've been that friend that always asks if, like, they're done with that food.

Speaker 1 Like, yeah, you get kills. I'm not.
You're good with that. I'm not that good.
You got a pen? You got a charge? I was, and I admit that's a very annoying friend to deal with.

Speaker 1 But the thing is, we landed and we didn't have time to go to the Apple store. It was my plan to buy something from the Apple store, so I didn't have to do a pain, but I was a pain in the butt.

Speaker 1 And for that

Speaker 1 hand up, and this was truly, if you're chasing a charge all weekend on both devices, that's so stressful. Yes, you're basically on life support.
Yes, pretty much. There's Charles McCloud.
I love it.

Speaker 1 I love it. I fucking love it.

Speaker 1 It didn't help, too, that I brought a charger, but that left it at Jared Goff's house. So

Speaker 1 it became a very bad charge situation. The Los Angeles Chargers did not show up.
No, they did not. They're still the San Diego Chargers to me.
All right, I got two Fire Fests.

Speaker 1 One is we didn't smoke enough weed.

Speaker 1 That sucked. Like we just didn't smoke enough weed.
I think a lot of people thought that we smoked weed for the popcorn conversation. Right.
But we're just we really fired up about popcorn.

Speaker 1 But it's just like we had too much shit going on.

Speaker 2 So a lot of people gave us weed, though.

Speaker 1 Shout out to those people. Oh, yeah.
Shout out to the guy who came up.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Shout out to the guy who came up to me at Ralph's and was like, hey, big cat, can you sign my edibles? And I was like, sure, dude.
And I was like, do you have a pen? He's like, oh, fuck.

Speaker 1 He was like, babe?

Speaker 1 He's like, I forgot a pen. I was like, well, that makes sense.

Speaker 5 Someone had a magic marker,

Speaker 5 like an erasable marker, and they were trying to sign like wet beers.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's tough.

Speaker 1 The dry erase ones? Yeah. Yeah, that's tough.
All right.

Speaker 1 And then my my other Fire Fest, I want to preface it by saying I think I handled it very well, and there was no drama whatsoever, but PFT made us pull over and poop for 10 minutes while we were driving in traffic.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we were stuck in traffic. And he liked to tweet while he's in the bathroom.
Yeah, I did. And what else are you going to do?

Speaker 1 Wait, wait, wait. You expected me to not check.
Somewhere in our contract as co-hosts, it says that I'm not allowed to like tweets when I'm taking a shit.

Speaker 1 No, no, we were we were trying to get back through traffic. You like tweets when you're driving the RV.
Hold on, hold on. I told you great point.
Hold on, you're getting mad.

Speaker 1 I told you that I handled it well.

Speaker 1 You're getting mad. You said, I was like, hey, can you hurry up? Because I've actually never been in a car where someone's like, I have to poop.
I can't control it.

Speaker 1 Not only that, but we literally had just left an office with the bathroom. And he's like, I didn't want to poop at Boris's office.
Yeah, I thought that would be rude. It was okay.

Speaker 1 So we got in the car. It's fucking terrible traffic on the 405 North.
And we get somewhere. It was bad.
We get somewhere.

Speaker 1 And he's like, we're like, hey, PFT, can can you hurry up because we got to get back?

Speaker 1 And he was listening to a pizza review, like slowly getting out of the car and like slowly walking to the bathroom. And then it was like 10 minutes.

Speaker 1 And I know that poops take a while, but sometimes you got to do it quick. Also, three of those minutes, I was trying to get into the In-N-Out, but it only had the outdoor locks on the bathroom.

Speaker 1 Got it. And so I couldn't get in.
I had to walk across the street. That's crazy.
So it's really like a six and a half minute poop. It was a little longer than that.

Speaker 1 But it was two days' worth because I hadn't pooped in two days. Yeah, that also is crazy.
My whole body is thrown off by the West Coast.

Speaker 1 I was very, I was shocked when you were like, I we have to pull over. I have to poop.
Yeah, I had to go.

Speaker 5 I think I should do my confession.

Speaker 1 Okay, okay.

Speaker 5 This is the right place to talk about it.

Speaker 5 But it was still, it's very embarrassing for me, although I know you guys can relate. But I was up this morning.
I was editing stool scenes. We had only eaten in and out the day before.

Speaker 5 It was like seven o'clock in the morning. I felt the urge to go take a shit and I got up, was like farting on the way.

Speaker 1 Oh, hey, and I shed my pants. Yes.
good job good job

Speaker 1 first time i've ever actually yes like i'm proud of you came out our little boy's becoming a man how much just a little bit like a squirt you had to throw out the boxers

Speaker 5 yeah i just threw them right through

Speaker 5 them right away they got me it was it was an ugly scene

Speaker 5 wait wait i was i was i got it i understood because i was like oh like sitting in my computer i was like oh i gotta take a shit and i stood up was like oh fart and then i was like oh oh and i you know i felt it on my leg

Speaker 1 in and out yeah they're in the trash oh

Speaker 1 get them out where should we take a look uh there's no trash can here no i do not want to look wait they're just in your room they're in a i like put them in a plastic bag like wrapped them up put them in the trash

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 1 i'm proud of you man yeah good job i mean good job this would never happen with taco bell yeah are you are you worried about in and out and what it does to you No, by the way,

Speaker 5 I think it was a coincidence.

Speaker 1 Coincidence. Hank, I thought, you know what I thought you were going to say? When you woke up at 7 a.m., that you went down to the van and got the fucking In-N-Out burger that you squirreled away.

Speaker 1 Because I got to the van at 8.30 this morning and I was like, what is this? Oh, it's a fucking In-N-Out burger. Just say it.

Speaker 1 Because when we go to In-N-Out, Hank buys all these burgers and just squirrels them away.

Speaker 1 You always get one extra. You never know when you're going to get back.
You left one in over the car for like 18 hours. That's a long time.
So Hank, I'm proud of you, man. Good job, Hank.

Speaker 1 Good job. We can also hold this against him next time he tries to get us moved out here.
Yeah, it makes you shit. This place makes you shit your pants.
You'd just be crapping yourself.

Speaker 1 Would you move to L.A.

Speaker 1 you had to shit your pants every single day? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Every single day? And you can't do it in your house every time. Yeah,

Speaker 5 that would inspire me to invent something, and then I would probably make a shitload of money off of it.

Speaker 1 What is that? A diaper?

Speaker 1 You're talking about a diaper? You invented a diaper? Yeah. Some type of.

Speaker 1 We have a button, and we can press it. And the minute we press it, you shit your pants.
So, like, you could be out for a date, boom, shit your pants.

Speaker 1 You could be walking on the beach, boom, shit your pants. And you have to worry about it every single day.

Speaker 5 Forever? Is there like...

Speaker 1 15 years. No.

Speaker 1 No. I will say that the beach would be the best place to shit yourself.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 go in the bathroom. Yeah, I mean, go in the ocean.
A little aqueduce. Yeah.
Cleans you right up. Nothing like that.
All right, so that was us talking poop. Either way,

Speaker 1 I handled you having to take a shit very well. Liam can attest.
I don't know what that means. I was very nice about it.
He didn't say that. Sounds like you were mad.
No, I wasn't.

Speaker 5 I wasn't there, but I can tell by the way.

Speaker 1 No, we were in a rush. I can tell by the way that you were in the middle.
We were in a rush, and it was...

Speaker 1 If you had seen him walk out of the car, it was.

Speaker 1 He was listening to

Speaker 1 Liam Watch. It was cocky as hell.
He was listening to a pizza review and slowly getting out of the car. The alternative was bad, though, if I had not.
No, of course. Listen,

Speaker 1 I got us off the road as fast as I possibly could.

Speaker 1 All right, let's get to our interviews. Should we do Mick Cronin? Let's do Mick Cronin first, then we will do Jay Glazer.

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Speaker 1 Okay, here he is, UCLA head coach Mick Cronin.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on Coach Mick Cronin, UCLA. This is brought to you by Body Armor.
We're on Grit Week. Go drink your body armor.
Coach, we got to start with this.

Speaker 2 You are now an LA guy.

Speaker 1 People say LA is soft, but you're a sincey guy by birth and by everything, so tell us what grit means to you.

Speaker 2 Just hard work, I would say.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 things you've taught, I'm not going to go into my recruiting spiel, not when we're in the chat.

Speaker 1 No, you can, please do. Recruit us.

Speaker 2 We're in the grit van, but I can box out.

Speaker 1 You know, hard work is

Speaker 2 everything, you know. But you know, it's not just taking a charge, you know, like shooting.

Speaker 2 Like, so Reggie Miller played right behind us, right? So, I mean, you know, his footwork, he worked on for hours and hours and hours. The ball just doesn't go in.

Speaker 2 So, you know, there's a a lot of things, you know, sometimes grit and toughness get always tied into defense and then rebounding. But running the floor, all that stuff.

Speaker 2 So, you know, I think just hard work in general personifies grit. In your life, whatever.
I mean, look at, you know, you guys worked hard to build this process.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. So wait, you brought up shooting.

Speaker 1 Will you be actually teaching shooting in L.A.? Because you didn't do it at Scentsy. You guys just rebounded and didn't shoot ever.

Speaker 2 Well, we shot a little bit. I'm going to brag on you.

Speaker 1 Okay. Oh, I know you got some advanced stats.
I was waiting for this.

Speaker 2 So the leading scorers ever at Cincinnati, Oscar Robertson don't count because he's the best player ever.

Speaker 2 But after that, I recruited or coached every one of them.

Speaker 1 Ooh,

Speaker 2 the leading scorers in the history of the school.

Speaker 2 I would go, oh, Sean Kilpatrick's the only other guy over 2,000.

Speaker 2 Deontay Vaughn, Steve Logan. So Jaron Cumberland's going to end up there when he goes.
Hopefully he goes back to school. But yeah,

Speaker 2 we had to make our name with defense and reach out.

Speaker 2 So, I'm hoping that obviously we're able to get a little bit more elite talent to where we can score at a higher clip on a regular basis. But you still got to have the grit.

Speaker 1 You're not going to win without the grit.

Speaker 1 So, you're going to be able to recruit probably some more high-profile players down here, some more explosive players on offense, like you said.

Speaker 1 But how do you maintain that Midwest grit when you're down here in Los Angeles? And perfect weather.

Speaker 1 You're always happy. Everyone's smiling all the time.
Everyone's really healthy.

Speaker 2 Yeah. You guys haven't been to there's a few neighborhoods you need to maybe take to yeah, maybe.

Speaker 1 There's some grit.

Speaker 1 But how do you, how do you maintain that same kind of mentality in this totally new environment for you? Yeah, I would say, you know,

Speaker 2 that there's been some guys that played here that would probably take offense to

Speaker 2 the fact that, you know, LA or UCLA basketball would all be, you know, just about Flash. And, you know, especially like my daughter's going to go to Campbell Hall High School, so the holidays.

Speaker 2 You know, Drew and Aaron both playing in the NBA, tough guys.

Speaker 2 Actually, Drew might be known as maybe as the best guard, defensive guard in the NBA. Agreed.

Speaker 1 So I'm glad you listened.

Speaker 1 No, I agree with him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 I absolutely drown Lillard in a playoff last year.

Speaker 1 So I think

Speaker 2 there's more of those guys out here than you know. So like one of our incoming freshmen, Jaime Jakez, he's from up in Camarillo.

Speaker 2 You know, he's going to play from the Mexican national team this summer. So he's got the grit in him.

Speaker 1 That's a great name, too. You like that.

Speaker 6 That's a hell of a name.

Speaker 2 You ought to see this guy, too, man. I'm jealous of him.
He's got the hair, he's 6'7. He looks like a damn model.

Speaker 1 Listen, I'm not worried about your grit because I know you got grit. The Cincinnati thing, I got to say,

Speaker 1 my favorite thing that you did this past year was when you held open tryouts. Now, did you actually, so tell that story.
You basically, you lost to Houston. You got in front of the press.

Speaker 1 You said, our team is soft. I'm holding open tryouts.
All the football players can come out and just beat them up and be on this team. Did you actually do it?

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 none of the football guys showed up.

Speaker 1 I think they were maybe out of shape.

Speaker 2 The problem is the guy that showed up was on the track team.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I didn't think he was going to help our toughness

Speaker 1 at all.

Speaker 2 But, yeah, you know, it's funny, you know, a lot was made of that.

Speaker 2 I think some people back at media guys took shots at me for that back in Cincinnati, but then they I didn't hear from them because we went and won the conference tournament. Right.

Speaker 2 So, you know, sometimes in the media, look, we're just trying to send a message to our team and to our fans.

Speaker 2 You know, if we're going to lose, we're going to lose our way, which is playing hard, making sure we don't get out-hustled, out-tuffed. And that I was a little upset.

Speaker 2 You know, we, we, I can't count on one hand. I can probably count on one hand the number of home games we lost in my last five years at Cincinnati.
So, I think that's a big part.

Speaker 2 You just have to set that tone. Like, you can't lose at home.
If you're going to build a real program, you've got to plant a flag in your home arena.

Speaker 2 So, if we lost at home, I said a lot of crazy stuff.

Speaker 1 After a loss at home. Yeah.
So that's like tune into Mick Cronin if they ever lose at home. Exactly.
I like that. I like that.
And how quickly did the team respond after that?

Speaker 2 Well, we went and won the conference tournament the next week. So a week later, we beat Houston by

Speaker 2 double figures, 15 or 16. And they had a great basketball team.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 we controlled the tempo, controlled the backboard. We were the

Speaker 2 tougher team, the better defensive team. And that was the only way you were going to beat them.
They had an elite team. I mean, they're one possession away from beating Kentucky.

Speaker 1 Sure. Yeah.
Yeah. So you, in your press conference as well, at UCLA, you did a classic name on the front of the jersey, not on the back.

Speaker 1 You actually, like, they showed the picture and you turned it around for more pictures because you're like, I don't want the name on the back. Yeah, it's, you know, you got it.

Speaker 1 It's not about, it's not about you.

Speaker 2 I think you got to realize it's about the program. What is the program? It's the university.
First of all, you represent your university. Here, obviously, you guys talked about how nice it is.

Speaker 2 So you're helping my recruiting. There's no better campus in a

Speaker 1 gorgeous.

Speaker 2 Good luck trying to afford a house down the street. Yeah.
But it's that, I mean, when your campus is butted up to Bel Air, it's pretty nice.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and you, so you did that move.

Speaker 1 You did like the, I think you actually might be a football coach inside of a basketball coach's body because you did the name on the front, and then you did the classic, I'm not the boss of my own house, my daughter is.

Speaker 2 That's a fact, though.

Speaker 1 That is

Speaker 2 that is a total,

Speaker 2 she's in total control. So you had to sign off on the move.

Speaker 2 But But I've been bringing her on vacation for so many years. Okay.
You know, buttering her up in case the day ever came. I got the job.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there was no real objection. Right.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you know, other than a few, you know, she's going to miss a few of her friends. But, you know, I'm letting her pick.
I told her I'll let you get on Realtor.com, pick the house.

Speaker 1 There you go. So was it weird, the whole UCLA coaching hire knowing that, like, publicly knowing you're like the sixth best option for them?

Speaker 2 Well, I think I was the first best option.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 So, but, but yeah, I know the way it all played out was crazy. Right.
I mean, you can't control stuff like that.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 2 we just talked, what did we talk about a little bit? Some guys got raises. You know, like our boy Ed Cooley just got a nice raise.
Yep. Cool's yellow me dinner.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Buzz Williams just went to Texas.

Speaker 2 Buzz left. He got a big raise.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, this is our guy, so you might actually get another raise.

Speaker 2 Buzz is my guy. Now, he's got no state tax.

Speaker 1 Yes. So he's

Speaker 2 making sure he needs to donate to buy a new van.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 Because you need to buy a new van. Good back.

Speaker 1 Grit van Buzz, grit van. What's going on?

Speaker 2 Because he acts like, you know, Buzz got no neck. So he looks like the grittiest coach in America.

Speaker 1 He's my God.

Speaker 2 But Buzz's the best.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're a pretty gritty guy, too, though. I read that coming up through high school, you were what, like 5'3

Speaker 1 when you were playing. Is that correct? Or is Wikipedia?

Speaker 2 I've been to me. I've been 5'7.
Yeah, somebody did that as a joke. Somebody told me that was on there.
So I've been 5'7 since 6th grade.

Speaker 1 Okay. So you were a center.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, but

Speaker 2 I haven't had a growth spurt since I was 12.

Speaker 1 Damn, that's tough. I'm with you, man.
Yeah. So So you know the feeling.
I do. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I actually played quarterback and middle linebacker, if you guys can imagine.

Speaker 1 Ooh, okay.

Speaker 2 I mean, I was close to the weight limit on my sixth-grade team one time.

Speaker 1 Here's another thing, PFT, he's a coach's son. Yeah.
So it's like you literally are just a football coach, just walking around, but you're just like playing basketball.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 You know, I always tease my players at Cincinnati, you know, because guys act tough. They're big, they're strong, you know, but it's a little bit different to put on a helmet.

Speaker 2 Guys that put on a helmet until you've had a crack, they've been crackbacked, yes, pancaked, yes, like you really don't know what playing.

Speaker 2 You know, I remember the moment, the first time a guy blindsided me when I was playing junior high football. I'll never forget it.

Speaker 2 But then you realize, okay, when you caught your breath, okay, I'm alive, and then

Speaker 2 you realize start hitting and quit being hit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, everybody gets got sometime. And actually, when I was playing back in my day, I felt better after I got hit.
I did.

Speaker 1 It gets rid of all the cobwebs. Even the cobwebs a little bit.
It just makes you feel alive. It makes you focus.
It makes you focus on what's important.

Speaker 2 Of course, I'd rather be the guy who hits him.

Speaker 1 I'd agree with that. I'd agree with that.

Speaker 2 That's why I took the job.

Speaker 2 I'd rather live one day as a lion than a thousand as a lamb.

Speaker 1 Oh, write that down. Do you like that? Write that down right there.

Speaker 1 So the other thing I wanted to bring up was you, another classic grit coach thing that you did was you basically had coaching almost kill you. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Well, I was smart enough to say that.

Speaker 1 That's a true coach to have. Be like, well, the job almost killed me.
Literally.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's crazy. I had a thing called arterial dissection, and it's about five years ago.
They still don't know. They have no idea.
It's like getting hit by lightning. Okay.

Speaker 2 So nobody knows what caused it. But yeah, I had to step back, be GM for like three months.

Speaker 1 And what did you do during that time? I heard a rumor that you drove around and listened to the games on radio.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the road games.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I was going stir crazy. But, you know, we were at home.
Let's just say I was probably a little more involved than my doctors wanted me to be.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I was still running the program. I might have, after a loss, come into practice and kicked all the balls off the rack.

Speaker 1 With an aneurysm.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 some of that stuff may have,

Speaker 2 I can admit a few of those things. Yeah, sure.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. Yeah, we can look back.

Speaker 1 Was blood pressure like a triggering factor? Was your doctor telling you that?

Speaker 2 No, they don't know.

Speaker 2 Because they don't know when it happened. We just know it caused me to have a piercing headache and it found it.
So, no, they wanted me to just lay low, let it heal.

Speaker 1 I feel like blowing off some steam, though, is probably good for it. Yeah, they don't want to have that build up.
Yeah, there's no, exactly.

Speaker 1 So, so when you would drive, you would listen to the road games, would you drive around and just,

Speaker 1 I mean, I feel like that would get my road rage up, but

Speaker 2 yeah, during a road game, it was, that was the hardest. It was like, you know, you've heard, so Jerry West couldn't watch games, right? So that's what I felt like.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, it got to a point, it was painful to watch the game.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 It was, it was tough.

Speaker 1 Right, because you can't be involved in it.

Speaker 2 I was fine, you know, so being a divorced parent, when Sammy was with me, I was good because

Speaker 1 I had to act right. Appropriate, yep.

Speaker 2 She would yell at me. Yes.
She was in charge of keeping me under. But if she was at her mom's, then I was a mess.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 That was the tough ones.

Speaker 1 I got a question that's

Speaker 1 more about X's and O's, really. So we're football guys.

Speaker 1 I know I at least pay a little closer attention to college football than college basketball. But it seems like college football is like a

Speaker 1 little petri dish for creativity that eventually trickles its way up to the NFL. It has been.

Speaker 1 Yeah, as far as coaching goes. Do you find that it's the same thing basketball, or is it the NBA that's more influencing the college game?

Speaker 2 Probably both in our game. Now, I would say the difference is our game, we have different rules, right? The three-point line's different, and the shot clock is different.

Speaker 2 And because of the shot clock, six seconds is an eternity.

Speaker 2 Because our guys can't even

Speaker 2 create the shots, let alone make some of the shots pro guys take. So our games are, I think, very

Speaker 2 much

Speaker 2 different than the pro football in college. I think they're more similar to each other

Speaker 2 because of the two differences I pointed out. And the talent level,

Speaker 2 I think, stops us from being able to do some things. I got to give you pro guys all say, oh, you guys in college got to learn how to run pick and roll better.

Speaker 2 Well, the problem, guys, you have the 30 best point guards in the world starting for you.

Speaker 2 And if our guy was good enough, that good at running the pick and roll, he would leave and he'd be in your league.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 we don't have some of the, our guys can't make some of the plays, but there are things. I think some of the stuff that's gone up from college to the NBA level is the switching in defense.

Speaker 2 I think that would be one thing that's gone up that they do, especially in the playoffs, but it's trickling to their regular season where they're starting to switch a lot more because

Speaker 2 the league is such a shooting league now in the NBA. I think what's coming down for us is we've got to shoot the ball better.

Speaker 2 And I think you'll see guys that can't shoot in the next 20 years are going to get phased out. You know, just the athletic wing.

Speaker 1 Right. Right, because everyone's got to shoot now.

Speaker 2 It's just, yeah, and our line is going back.

Speaker 2 It'll become official here at the end of the month. So I'll give you a little scoop here in the grit fan.
Oh, wow. So we're going to the FIBA line.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the line's going back. So it's a foot and a half.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Not in the corners, but a foot and a half out at the top of the key difference. Okay.

Speaker 1 So you're going to even be worse at shooting than you usually are.

Speaker 2 Well, it'll be interesting. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, So the theory is that it'll open the floor up more. I'd agree with that.

Speaker 2 But again, are you going to stretch your defense if guys can't make the shot?

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 So you have coaches that think it's going to be great. You have coaches that think, well,

Speaker 2 it's just going to be

Speaker 2 less guys can make it. So it's going to be

Speaker 2 uglier. Right.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, I'm sure it will adjust, and you saw like a team like Auburn this year who everyone could kind of shoot the three, and that was a game changer for them because they didn't probably have the best, they didn't have the most NBA talent, but they were all could shoot the three, and it stressed defenses out.

Speaker 2 And look at the championship game, the shot-making that was. Yeah, because both those teams are elite defensive.

Speaker 2 She had the two best defensive teams, but the shot-making was unbelievable in that game. So I think, look, you got to do all three.
You got to be able to defend and you got to be able to score.

Speaker 2 And I think rebounding is a big factor as well. Yeah, I was going to say.
Because our game is, look, when the ball is loose, you guys are football guys, right?

Speaker 2 The ball is loose on every play in basketball. Like, that would drive football coaches nuts.
Right. See, the ball comes off the rim or the ball is on the floor, even when a guy's dribbling it.

Speaker 2 So the ball is loose literally half the game in basketball.

Speaker 1 Think about that.

Speaker 2 So that's where hustle, grit, because who gets it when the ball's on. Pat Riley used to say games are decided by what happens when the ball is on the floor or in the air.

Speaker 2 But in football, it's very rare. Yeah.
Right? I mean, if the ball hits the turf, everybody starts yelling, fire, fumble, ball, ball, ball.

Speaker 1 It's nuts, right? Right. But it happens all the time in hoops.
But you do, I mean, your teams always rebound exceptionally well. Do you,

Speaker 1 when you, when you have a game where your team doesn't rebound well, is that like the most annoying thing that you have? Or is it maybe not getting back on defense?

Speaker 1 What sticks in Mick Cronin's like craw the most?

Speaker 2 Besides my underwear,

Speaker 2 I would say, yeah, stuff like that. You know, I would say there's stuff like that I would tell my team, look, I obviously haven't coached you to play hard enough.

Speaker 2 So you can't, like, so you can't just say, well, that's a good, that's a good little leg right there.

Speaker 1 You're just like, clearly, I've failed at coaching you guys hard enough. It's like when parents are disappointed and they blame themselves.
Right. My bad for taking it easy on you.

Speaker 1 You got that. Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 2 So just so you know, I'm going to have to do much more coaching at the next practice.

Speaker 1 That's a great way to put it. So you can work on your own coaching skills.
Yeah, obviously.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm going to have to do a much better job of holding you guys accountable

Speaker 1 for how hard we play. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes.

Speaker 2 That would be the stuff that drives me nuts.

Speaker 1 Have you thought about scheduling Xavier just so you can fight him?

Speaker 1 That's the best question I've heard. It's six weeks of being a head coach at UCLA.

Speaker 1 That is the best question. Because I think you want to.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We might have to. I mean, you did try to fight their whole bench.

Speaker 2 Their fans. Yeah, you know, it's not every day you get, you know, told F off, but,

Speaker 2 you know, their fans, they really have an affinity for me.

Speaker 1 They do.

Speaker 1 They do. They would, I think,

Speaker 2 I think their fans would love if we scheduled a home and home. Yes.
I don't know if I'd get out alive, though.

Speaker 1 I don't think so either, but it would be worth

Speaker 1 it. It would be

Speaker 2 paper view. I do not know if I would get out of that one.

Speaker 1 Great for recruiting, too. You get everyone talking about it.
You know, Mick Cronin going back to Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 That would be interesting.

Speaker 2 That might be, you know, it's been tough, obviously, leaving the program. I spent 13 years building back up to national

Speaker 2 prominence, but probably the best thing, you just, I don't have to go back to Xavier. I don't even want to say the name.

Speaker 1 I don't have to go back to school.

Speaker 1 I will bleep out the name Xavier.

Speaker 1 Do you miss the chili in Cincinnati? Nah.

Speaker 2 Well, you know, when you're in college, there's nothing, you know, it's a little bit different. Yeah.
When you're younger, your stomach can handle it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 When your liver's strong.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and you have a night out with the guys, and it's the only place open at 2 a.m.

Speaker 2 You hit, you know, you hit Gold Star Skyline.

Speaker 1 Yeah, do you have a theory that just people from Cincinnati just say that they like it just as a joke on the rest of the world?

Speaker 2 No, there's people that like I'll tell you, Chris Mack at Louis, he loves it. Yeah, I asked him if he thought he was.
I said, You mean you gotta understand?

Speaker 2 We're not in college, and we haven't had six beers.

Speaker 1 You know, yeah, you're eating this sober.

Speaker 1 There's people that love it, yeah. What about the oyster crackers with like one drop of hot sauce? That's okay, can't get that anywhere else.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, I would say here's two things, Cincinnati: Greater's ice cream, oh, yes, that's actually fantastic. I got selling out here at Ralph's.
So that's, I got that covered.

Speaker 2 And then my guys that own the Montgomery Inn, the ribs are the best, by far the best. And it's because of the sauce.

Speaker 2 You got to put it on hot. So if you get the ribs king, make sure you warm the sauce up.
People, they don't know that. So, but yeah, I can get those as well.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 was there a lot of blowback from the Cincinnati community just because you were such a part of that community when you took the job out here?

Speaker 2 So I wouldn't know. So April 9th, I got, told my team I was leaving at noon and got on a plane at 5 p.m.

Speaker 2 I went home, packed as many clothes as I could, got on a plane at 5, and I haven't been back. Interesting.
So I've been living out of two bags of clothes. I've been stopping at stores in Santa Monica.

Speaker 2 I think people are like, why is the coach at UCLA in here? He keeps coming here buying underwear.

Speaker 1 Impact.

Speaker 1 You have a washing machine, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, we haven't gotten there either. So

Speaker 2 I'm in a temporary apartment. So, yeah, I've been living day-to-day.

Speaker 2 I'm in John Rambo mode.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 I like that. That's as pretty as it gets.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I have a suggestion for you.
Well, first of all, let me ask you this.

Speaker 2 I got to go back and get clothes and sell my house.

Speaker 1 I haven't been back.

Speaker 2 I hope everybody understands.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, I love Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 You had a job to do here, and you wanted to get started as soon as possible, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I just got too much work to do. Plus, we're on the quarter system here, guys.

Speaker 1 So we're still in school. Oh, crazy.

Speaker 2 Okay. Yeah.
So all those young girls you were looking at, they're in class.

Speaker 1 They were looking at class. Yeah.
They were looking at this van. I was wondering what

Speaker 1 they were looking at, they saw the van.

Speaker 2 There's no smoke coming out of the windows.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're like, uh-oh.

Speaker 1 All the cops, this van should not be on campus. What would you do during a game if Drake came up behind you and rubbed your shoulders on the sidelines?

Speaker 1 I think, I don't know. That'd be weird.
Yeah. It is weird, isn't it? Yeah.
You saw that last night.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I saw it. Well,

Speaker 2 I saw it this morning. Yeah.
I'm still waking up at five because I'm at the East Coast in me.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that was weird.

Speaker 1 Pretty strange.

Speaker 2 We better be up 20.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 They were up 20 right now. Actually, I have a suggestion for you.
So Drake is kind of a bad luck curse. Every team that he likes, they all lose.
I've heard that.

Speaker 1 You should ban Drake preemptively from the stadium. Yes.
That's a very gritty thing to do.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I don't know if that would help recruiting, though.

Speaker 1 Probably not.

Speaker 1 You probably want Drake around.

Speaker 2 I got to talk to the fellas. So, like, you know, I got a lot of returning guys.
So some of the guys on my team are all

Speaker 2 into the style. You know, we're in Hollywood.
Right. You know, they're into the style.
Like, I got players.

Speaker 2 They're dressed up like they're going to nightclubs, going to class.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 So they're going to up my style game here. Coming after Jay Wright.

Speaker 1 Yes. Oh, you should.
You wear suits. You should go for it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's the king. Yeah, I'm going to come after him.

Speaker 1 He is the king. I'm in Hollywood.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Plus, I'm going to have my players help me with my style. Here's a little tip.

Speaker 1 You should get some fake hair and do the slick back Pat Riley. Yeah, no, you got to beat it.
That would be sick if you just showed up with fake hair. That would be sick.

Speaker 1 On day one, you're like, new Mick, New Year, new Mick.

Speaker 2 With the Riley wig.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, right. Maybe a spray tan.
What are you going to do about the whole sun thing that you're going to do? Yeah, that's a problem.

Speaker 2 You got to wear hats walking around.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you are. You're pale.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you got to wear hats walking around.

Speaker 2 Have you seen my billboards up?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I did. I saw one.

Speaker 2 They definitely tanned me up.

Speaker 1 Did they? Oh, man. They're one of them.
No flesh. He's not an outsider.
He's one of us.

Speaker 1 Just go up on that billboard, somebody out there, and spray some hair on top just to see what it would look like. I'd have to pay

Speaker 1 sick, then you should do it. You would look awesome.

Speaker 1 I'll give you some of my. No, you should do it.

Speaker 2 You got to have enough confidence.

Speaker 2 You can't have the gene Katie. But if you show up with a tall, you'll be combing it over.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Bill Sell. Bill Sell.
Yeah. Oh, man.
That's my guy. Yeah, well, he's got fake hair.
We like him. We like him.
Have you been to Lawrence yet? No, I want to go. He would fit it.

Speaker 2 He would fit in.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think he would be a great one. Yeah, yeah.
All right. I got one last question.
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Speaker 1 The Pauly Pavilion is going to be rocking next year.

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Speaker 1 So we were talking before you got in the van.

Speaker 1 Our friend Huggy Bear, who is basically a big mentor, I assume, at Cincinnati, what was the biggest lesson that Huggy Bear has taught you when you were a young coach on his staff?

Speaker 2 Worry about things that matter. I remember it like it was yesterday.
He told me a lot of guys in our business, they worry about what car they're getting with their contract and

Speaker 2 things that have nothing to do with winning. Just focus on what you need to do to win.
Focus on the players and what matters. There's a lot of guys I think can get sidetracked in our business.

Speaker 2 You can take your eye off the ball. There's so many other things going on.

Speaker 2 He was great at that. He still is great at that.
Because as you can tell by the way he dresses, he only worries about basketball. Yes.

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 2 it's funny, but it's true with him. I mean, he is who he is.
He worries about what matters and loves his players, coach ball,

Speaker 2 and he could care less about the rest.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, he is, I think Huggy Bear is one of those coaches where you can tell the relationship he has with his players is very, very genuine and very deep.

Speaker 2 Yes, I try to, you got to care about some other stuff, though, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, like the fake hair that you're going to get.

Speaker 2 Yeah, if I'm going to get the wig, I've got to get

Speaker 1 I would love to see you in a

Speaker 1 pickup underwear. You're trying to get some clothes,

Speaker 1 you're trying to get some buzz into the UCLA program. If you show up with a toupee, maybe some lifts, you're like 6'4 with hair.

Speaker 2 By the way, I'm not, there's a few coaches out there. I'll tell you after the show that are wearing lifts.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 that's good. That's good.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 We got guys coloring. Yeah.
We got guys coloring.

Speaker 1 The hair, yeah, that's Coach K. You're going to need to anyway.
Oh, I already do. No, you don't.
Yeah, I do. I don't right now.

Speaker 1 I've lapsed. But yeah, oh, I admit that I'm definitely on PEDs when it comes to the hair.
Tell me more about these lift things that you put in your shit.

Speaker 2 Well, I would, you know, I just would go. You got to just go with it.
You're a short Irish dude with no hair. You got to go with it.

Speaker 1 You're like an owning. Yeah.
And you're balling.

Speaker 7 You know, have you not seen the women?

Speaker 2 Like, now I'm in Hollywood. I'm one of the guy, Jason.
I love movies. Jason Statham.

Speaker 7 Okay. Have you seen the women the guy hangs out with?

Speaker 1 Yes. I mean, it's Hollywood.
That guy's got no hair. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 1 But you're... Hey, wait, did you just compare yourself to Jason Statham? No, I'm hoping.
Okay, got it. You should just, I mean, it's like, you know, that's true.
He's a bald man. Yeah, yeah, hero.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yes.
Exactly. You look like you could be nicknamed the pit bull, though.
You should lean into that. Yeah, I'm Tale.
I'm a bulldog kind of guy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's big time.

Speaker 1 Yes. It is worldwide.
Yeah, Mr. Worldwide.
That's such a good spin zone for like a little dude that doesn't have hair. Just call yourself a bulldog.
People are like, I like that guy. That's tall.

Speaker 1 I guess he's taller than them.

Speaker 1 Ooh, you might be hitboard. Yeah.
What do you think? I mean, you'll probably never meet him, so you can just say it.

Speaker 2 Big bang takes little bank.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes. He's the man.
Yes. All right, Mick Cronin, thank you so much.
This has been awesome.

Speaker 2 Great to be in the group.

Speaker 1 Appreciate it. Yeah, yeah.
And good luck to UCLA.

Speaker 2 You got to get better wheels in this, though, as the coach at UCLA. Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 You got to style the wheel. Yeah, yeah.
You got to get something nice.

Speaker 2 Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 Thank you very much. Absolutely.
You're a Pac-12 guy now. Yes.
Conference of Champions. Bill Walton.
Yes. Absolutely.
You got to be ready for Bill Walton.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.

Speaker 2 It's just like talking to him on the air.

Speaker 1 You guys, you guys are a funny pair.

Speaker 2 It's classic. Yes.

Speaker 1 You should put him on staff.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That would be interesting.

Speaker 1 We'll leave you with that one. Yeah.
All right. Thanks, coach.

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Speaker 1 Okay, Grit Week continues. We have recurring guest, good friend, Jay Glazer.
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Speaker 1 We are at Jay's gym called Unbreakable. Yep.
You just put us through a workout.

Speaker 1 We do this with every guest on Grit Week to find grit for us and do we have it? Well, first of all, I'd like both of you guys drug tested now because

Speaker 1 you know, clearly you guys are on all sorts of shit. I'm going to fail.
I'm going to fail that drug test. I mean, clearly D-minus.
Marijuana is legal out here. Not only that kind of drug test.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Performance enhancing.
Yes, also.

Speaker 1 Having the rages also you guys are throwing. Yeah.
Pretty indicative of guys stacking a lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 Who's a better fighter? Me or Big Cat?

Speaker 1 Define better. Well, 30 Seconds of Fury was what I had.

Speaker 1 And then I quit.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right, but who's bad? Yeah, I'll put it this way.
If we're getting in a fight with you, who do you punch first? Me or Big Cat?

Speaker 2 Whoever's closer.

Speaker 1 Good answer. All right, so define grit for us.
Tell us what grit means to you. What does grit mean to me?

Speaker 1 It means pushing your breaking point so you could do stuff that the rest of the world will tap out from when you're just, you're the last dude standing. Okay.

Speaker 1 When was the last time you were pushed to your breaking point?

Speaker 1 Every day by the old,

Speaker 1 by my roommates in my head. Are you kidding me? Ooh.
Every morning I wake up and I'm like, oh, boy. You're not doing the dishes.

Speaker 1 Jay Glazer are we going to get today? Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's a daily battle.
You've been saying that you use this gym almost as like therapy for yourself. Kind of half kidding about the roommates in my head, but yeah, I kind of need this place.

Speaker 1 I've always had like a crew or a fight team. I do.
I push myself in so many different areas, always have.

Speaker 1 And if I have like a crew behind me, then that kind of that fight, walking the walk, is a little bit better. But in here,

Speaker 1 I've always felt like training mixed martial arts has always just made me a little bit different and kind of helped curb the depression and the anxiety and those roommates that don't talk so nicely to each other sometimes.

Speaker 1 Right. We all got it, man.
Yeah, well, I mean, I think that's really like exceptional what you're doing because you have this gym. It's we've been here for about an hour.
We worked out.

Speaker 1 It's clearly like it's a very family style vibe. You walk in the door, people walk in the door, and everyone shouts out their name.
Yeah. And they're like, what's up?

Speaker 1 And then you have your, you know, Warriors project where you have people and you're talking about mental health. MVP, you know, and it's on the 13 veteran players.
Yeah. And that's that's the thing.

Speaker 1 I've done the same thing here. So I've tried to create this fight team over here that I've always, like, I've always had.
I got involved in, I started wrestling in 1982,

Speaker 1 boxing in 86, mixed martial arts in like 99, 2000. So I've always done something.

Speaker 1 And I've always realized like some of the best talks I've had are in a cage after Randy Couture has beaten the dog shit out of me or Chuck Liddell has just destroyed me.

Speaker 1 And we sit and we talk about life. Like no one's questioning your manhood, so you're going to be vulnerable and you can talk about stuff.

Speaker 1 And then we've used this same premise of this, this team, like a locker room is great. Inside a locker room, you don't have any of the issues.

Speaker 1 You don't have, despite what people say, there's no racism. There's no, people don't, they'll talk about politics, but nobody care.
People care about one thing in a locker room. It's one color.

Speaker 1 It's silver. You know, that's the ring or the charge.
Yeah. Right? That is it.
And we're trying to do this same thing here. We have our vets and our players is give these guys.

Speaker 1 We'll train them on Wednesday nights in the merging vets and players program for about a half hour. But then after we sit and we talk about life,

Speaker 1 we got

Speaker 1 each other vulnerable and we talk about

Speaker 1 why the uniform doesn't define you. Why, you know, being alone, man, it sucks.

Speaker 1 And when the uniform comes off, whether you're in the military or football player or fighter or an Olympian, whatever it is, all of a sudden that uniform comes off and you're by yourself.

Speaker 1 It's a scary world out there. Right.
So we're trying to show these guys, no, you got a team, and we're trying to coach each other up. It's badasses empowering other badasses.

Speaker 1 We talk about why you shouldn't put a revolver in your mouth, why you shouldn't look at it as a football player like, oh man, I used to play in the NFL. No, dude, you play in the NFL.
Right.

Speaker 1 And a uniform is not what defines you. What's behind your rib cage that got you to beat out millions and millions and millions of people to make it in the NFL? That is who you are.

Speaker 1 And that's what you have to use in your next step of life.

Speaker 1 And similar to our vets, last week, we had two guys in here from a unit called the 27, the Marines, who just lost their 43rd, 44th, and 45th teammates to suicide. In one week, 45 people in one unit.

Speaker 1 Who else can they talk to this about?

Speaker 1 They talk and they have 60 of their peers now can talk. And then we start getting into it.
Why suicide is such a prevalent issue.

Speaker 1 You know, we talk about a lot of its power suggestion. They see their teammates doing it and go, why not me? And it's not freaking okay.

Speaker 1 Like it's not okay to be one of the 22 vets a day who kill themselves. Or the people out there who are listening.
There's so much hate on social media. People are, I think the soul is not used to it.

Speaker 1 People then comparing themselves to everyone's highlights and Instagram. Instagram ain't the real world.

Speaker 1 So when you have a group that kind of reminds you of that and that hears you out and reminds you you like killing yourself is not okay like you never know what lies around next Tuesday.

Speaker 1 If you kill yourself, you're not here. You may have saved somebody else's life next week.
So you got to stick around for the rest of us.

Speaker 1 All right, so you bring up social media going to a little bit of a lighter topic here. We haven't talked to you.
That wasn't light right there. We haven't talked to you since the Odell Beckham trade.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 You basically like took a shit down all of social media's mouth with the way you

Speaker 1 predicted it.

Speaker 1 But then did a fuck, yeah, big time respect. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Do you feel vindicated? Because you were getting like death threats and shit, and you could not have been more right. It wasn't death threats.

Speaker 1 They were just talking crap about me, my kid, my mom, my kid's mom, my mom's kids, which is my brother, by the way, not me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then they were going on like my friend's social media and

Speaker 1 posting on their stuff, like, dude, I'm talking about your friggin football team. Right.
And you're right.

Speaker 1 And I'm right. How did you find? How did you get that? Like, what was the, you just, you know, through sourcing, you just heard that Odell was out there? For a while.
It's been going on. And I,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 the thing that kind of took me by surprise most of this is, you guys know I care about being right more than anything. I've had a lot of big scoops.

Speaker 1 I've had, I think, some of the biggest ever in the NFL, the Spygate video and this and that. And, you know, the end of the lockout and

Speaker 1 pretty much all the fars, retirements, and, you know, and then unretirements and all that.

Speaker 1 So when I say something, like I thought I've earned it, where if I say something, as outlandish as it may sound, you could take it to the bank. Right.

Speaker 1 Like I came on Fox NFL Sunday a few years ago, first week, said no matter what happens this year, Jim Harbaugh will be out as head coach of the 49ers, even if they win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 And I got crushed for it, and then he was out. And I would think that just over time that I've built up enough trust and equity where people say, oh, crap, Glazer said it.

Speaker 1 Let's trust him before we just kill him.

Speaker 1 They murdered me. Yeah, they did murder you.
They killed me. They got you big time.
Oh, my God. It was unreal.
I'm not used to it. That day that I tweeted that out, I just got done in here sparring.

Speaker 1 I was a little ornery. You had the endorphins going.
Oh, yeah, you did.

Speaker 1 I was a little bit of dickhead that day, no doubt.

Speaker 1 It was Randy Couture's in here, and we beat the hell out of each other, but he probably did a little more to me.

Speaker 1 And I was just a little ornery, and then I just saw them commenting on other people's pages. I'm like, this got to stop.

Speaker 1 Who gave a shit about my mom? Yeah, that ain't. That was bullshit.
It's just sports. Who gives a shit? Yeah, so you're plugged into the Giants better than probably anyone out there.

Speaker 1 I started my career there.

Speaker 1 Are you surprised by the Daniel Jones stuff? Do you think Gettelman is going to last? Like, what would you say, time frame? We never talk about another man's job, but is he on the hot seat already?

Speaker 1 No, because the Giants don't operate that way. Right.
Giants have more patience in the GM than anything else. Except for Ben McAdoo.
No, no, GMs. GMs.
Okay, GMs. GMs.
GMs.

Speaker 1 Their GM has always made the picks. I think the teams that are successful, like the Seahawks, everybody keeps thinking thinking the Legion of Boom is dead, right?

Speaker 1 John Schneider will pick players, not that he wants, that Pete Carroll is going to use better.

Speaker 1 That's the mastery of a general manager of using,

Speaker 1 drafting players that my coach is going to get the best out of in his system.

Speaker 1 And some teams don't, the Daniel Jones thing, look, I think the Giants don't do a good job of finding out. accurate information that other teams can do.
Draft-wise, guys,

Speaker 1 there's a lot of information that's accurate

Speaker 1 behind the scenes that we all kind of share. And we're information brokers.
We know what's going on a lot. Right.
I think they do a bad job of it.

Speaker 1 So, you think that Daniel Jones would not have been picked it? Because that was the whole thing. I don't think the Ottoman got up there, said other teams.

Speaker 1 Why don't you talk about the Redskins and the Broncos? That's not true.

Speaker 1 So, you're saying that he easily could have gotten Daniel Jones at 17 or whatever? I think they could have waited past six, yeah.

Speaker 1 To put the kind of pressure on them where they're trying to legitimize this thing, oh, he's Eli and Peyton. No, he's not.
You're talking about Peyton Manning. Yeah, right.
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 If he's Peyton Manning, that to this kid

Speaker 1 ever in the history of life. At six, in the history of Everness.
Right.

Speaker 1 Don't do that to this kid. And you're trying to validate your own,

Speaker 1 you know, what your own line of thinking is. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 By comparing him to Eli and Payton. That's like, oh, yeah, we got this guy at 22.
We got this guy in the sixth round. He's Tom Brady.
No, we've not. Right, right.
Right.

Speaker 1 So, so where would he have gone? Like, you, you obviously know all the information, you know where guys were, you know, teams were looking at, who was looking at who.

Speaker 1 I was just surprised by their whole draft. Even

Speaker 1 you need pass rushers. There are pass rushers right up there.

Speaker 1 They need a lot of help to go, and especially what a gettem is saying, we're going to get somebody that's going to help our team right now. That's not Daniel Jones.
You're going to start.

Speaker 1 The D-tackle they chose could be a great player, but he's more of a first and second-down player. Yeah.
And he also, they traded Snacks Harrison, and like,

Speaker 1 it was all just very strange to me. Yep.
And the Daniel Jones thing, like, it just felt like you could have gotten him a lot later. Yes, I agree with you on that.
Right.

Speaker 1 So you think just about every other team had Dwayne Haskins above Daniel Jones? No, no. So teams were all over the place on these quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 They all had Murray one, but they all had Kyler Murray going, we don't know. Like, we've never seen this before.
Yeah. You know, we've never seen a guy this short.

Speaker 1 And I know we're talking about his weight being 207. No,

Speaker 1 he's different than we've seen.

Speaker 1 So, but everybody had him up there. And then after that, it was potluck.
It was, some people had Daniel Jones two, some people had him five. Some people had Haskins two.
Some people had Locke two.

Speaker 1 Some people had Haskins five. Ad Locke six.
It was just Will Greer was floating around in there.

Speaker 1 They were so all over the place on these guys. And if you put

Speaker 1 any of those guys in last year's draft, I don't think any of them except Kyler would have been a first-round pick.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That was the whole thing that made no sense to me.
You had guys who were ranking like Dwayne Haskins, Daniel Jones, behind Josh Rosen from last year.

Speaker 1 I don't understand why the Giants didn't do that.

Speaker 1 Again, but they think Daniel Daniel Jones is going to be their next Eli Manning. So, okay, you're going to go live and die with that.
I just think they're putting too much pressure on that kid.

Speaker 1 They got to stop with that. He looks a lot like Eli.

Speaker 1 I've been speculating now, you can run with this on your own if you can get back to it.

Speaker 1 I get Brad Pitt all the time, but it doesn't mean I act like him.

Speaker 1 It's clearer, right? You can see that's right. Absolutely.
Matthew McConnell. Except you always talk about fight club.
That's the only thing you talk about is your fight club.

Speaker 1 That's a good point, very good.

Speaker 1 That's why these guys are getting paid the big bucks. Right.
So they're calling him the next Eli Manning. I actually think there's a chance that he's Archie Manning's illegitimate child.

Speaker 1 I am not touching that. So just like most of them.
I'm so not touching that. Look into it.
Gene. He's drinking from his drink right now.
He's getting nervous. I'll get a squash.

Speaker 1 We'll do a 23 and make it. I'm getting his little nugget, and then you'll develop that nugget later on.
I want to get back into some Brown stuff real quick because

Speaker 1 they've made so much noise in the offseason. They were very good, at least for the Browns, the second half of the year, last year.
They got this new coach that apparently everybody loves.

Speaker 1 He's hilarious. Got a great quarterback.
He is hilarious.

Speaker 1 I feel like we need to pump the brakes for the sake of Cleveland fans out there. We're already kind of anointing them as Super Bowl contenders.
And I just don't want to see that town gets heartbroken.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I agree with you there. But I think anything over like four wins right now would be like, yes.
Yeah. And that's the biggest thing.

Speaker 1 You always tell a head coach when they get a job to, I always give this advice to them or GM, like, make sure you really sell low. And if all of a sudden you make the play, great.

Speaker 1 But make sure you tell your owner, oh, we suck. Like nonstop.
Your job is to make sure we suck. We are, man, we got to rebuild.
And that's why we got a coaching change. We really got to rebuild here.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 they've forgotten that for two years they won one game. They quickly forgot that.
Now, I'll say this.

Speaker 1 On paper, yeah, they're a strong team.

Speaker 1 Their personnel is phenomenal. And I do think

Speaker 1 if there's one guy who can, everybody's saying, oh, how are you going to fit the personalities? Baker Mayfield is a gangster.

Speaker 1 He's not gonna handle people trying to me me me i want the ball he's gonna put it where it needs to go and he's gonna control that locker room he's baker's different man he's special do you make anything of the odell just not showing up to the uh otas or do you think that's i think i think odell likes the rest of his life right i always don't i i always he was in france when they called him and told him he got traded right and he was like i'm not going back to take the physical right right because i always

Speaker 1 well i always i always go back and forth because i think there is something to be said for guys that uh especially a new team new playbook, all that stuff.

Speaker 1 I agree with you on that.

Speaker 1 There's the other part of me that's like, hey, if you want to make it mandatory, just make it mandatory. It's not mandatory, so you can't.

Speaker 1 Well, they're not allowed to, but yeah, if I'm on a new team, like football is a thinking man's game. You've got to

Speaker 1 absolutely, the great ones, man, they have you figure it out before the snap.

Speaker 1 Let's say defense run past, you know, which side it's going to go, what your snap count is, because they constantly film work, film work, film work, film work, film work.

Speaker 1 It's non-stop, and they take a lot of the guessing out of it. So, yeah, you've got to,

Speaker 1 especially with the new team, you want to be really on page with your quarterback,

Speaker 1 your new head coach, your coordinators.

Speaker 1 Just be part of the culture there. Absolutely.
Right. We've got you here.
I feel like we need to tap into Jay Glazer and his sources. Have you seen the Bob Kraft tape?

Speaker 1 No, nor do I want to. Like, for all the people,

Speaker 1 because you're our live hope. We're all counting on you.
Why the hell would I put you on that? We're sitting here on the map.

Speaker 1 You had this watching. Why would anybody? Yeah, why would anybody?

Speaker 1 Anybody who's trying to get that out there, I have no interest. Zero.
I do. Do you have another old Jewish man?

Speaker 1 Absolutely not. How about this? Even if I did, I'd burn them.
Because

Speaker 1 I couldn't unsee that. Well,

Speaker 1 just send us. You guys want that? Yeah.
Yeah. Can you get it for us? We'll see what I can do.

Speaker 1 I'm feeling like you're not. Has anybody approached you and said, I have access to this? No, I have really made it clear I want nothing to do with with that.
Okay, I want zero to do with that.

Speaker 1 Don't send Jay the bad. That's like a reverse Niagara.
I don't think I can get over that for a while. Yeah, wink.
I think I'd have issues with it. Somebody's going to have it.

Speaker 1 Somebody's going to get it eventually. It's going to leak.
But wouldn't you rather be the one to? Do you have to have it? No, certainly don't. Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm not about to say that.

Speaker 1 Nope. All right.
You're going to watch it. If it comes out, nope.
If Adam Schefter tweets out the video,

Speaker 1 you are going to click on it. It certainly won't.
I can promise you, you know the whole deaf taxes thing? Forget that. There's one thing I'll never do in life.
Is watching that video?

Speaker 1 watch that pop club all right i'm gonna send it to you

Speaker 1 you can send it i'm gonna be like hey dude check it out to send it you know how we all send each other the stupid you know stupid stuff on text like hey look at my kid in the softball game and bam bam that's what you have to do is gonna be and then i will swinky dinky yeah i'll check myself into a facility um and give it my

Speaker 1 guns replacement server 12 hours to get that image 12 hours straight can you give us a jay glazer exclusive give us something that you're brewing on you have the odor back and you have the jim harbaugh some prediction that's coming.

Speaker 1 Maybe it doesn't have to be a, this is going to happen, but this could happen. Don't be surprised if this happens.

Speaker 1 Tom Brady retires.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm on the spot here. I got to think about it.
I don't know. Okay.
Gronk returns. No.

Speaker 1 Huh?

Speaker 1 No, I think he's going to like this. I think Gronk,

Speaker 1 once the training wheels come off, at one point I could see him go, you know what? We're close. Yeah.
I need three games. Like November.
Why not? Right.

Speaker 1 Why not?

Speaker 1 Why not? Ooh, Dak Prescott doesn't get re-signed by the Cowboys. No, he'll get re-signed.
Okay. See, Dak, let me, I think Dak gets an awful lot of shit, but isn't appreciated.

Speaker 1 He's a leader. He affects everybody else in that locker room more than we know.
Like, he is constantly...

Speaker 1 Look, Dallas Cowboys locker room is different than everything else. Every single person in there is the...

Speaker 1 center for the Lakers or the center fielder for the Yankees or

Speaker 1 shortstop for the for the for the Red Sox every single person in there there's so much that goes on in there. And that's why the Troy Aikmans of the world, it's unreal what they've been able to do.

Speaker 1 It's non-stop drama, whether they want it or not. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 Dak is worth paying. Okay, think about it, and maybe you have it coming up too.
I have an idea for you as well.

Speaker 1 I'm a little punchy today. Entourage ballers.
Yep. Part of ballers.

Speaker 1 We filmed that here for three episodes, right? Oh, really? Yeah. Okay.
This season. Also, this place used to be the Roxy.
Right at the Roxbury. No, no, the Roxbury.
The Roxbury. Right at the Roxbury.

Speaker 1 Will Carl? Yeah. Baby,

Speaker 1 meet, meet you, meet you. And then there was like a secret tunnel.
Are you guys brothers?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 All right. There's a secret tunnel that goes from Chateau de Marmont, which is next door, over to here.

Speaker 1 That they used to like, in Prohibition days, get people out and get the rat back out. Chateau Marmont is where John Belushi died.

Speaker 1 It's like the Kennish White House sneaking girls in and out of this place. All right, so we remake Baller.
So we had entourage, then it went to ballers, so it was basically entourage for sports.

Speaker 1 What about entourage for podcasters, newsbreakers? Absolutely. So like episode one, people are going at you for Odell Beckham, and we have to show up and fight him with

Speaker 1 our words. Hey, nobody talks about baby bro that way.
Let's fucking do, let's do a podcast. Let's do it.
And we'll fight off all the haters. I think I love that idea.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I think the space needs that. Yeah.
And then the other half of the show is just with Heartburn. We'll combine the show.
Hartburn?

Speaker 1 Yeah, we just eat a lot of wings wings during it, and then the last 10 minutes is always. And then Tums.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know if I can work out. We go out and pop.
Pequil and Tums. Then we eat wings, and then we eat Tums.
I think that's a great idea. I think you guys have a hit on your hands.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Tunk and chicken. You know what's going to happen to a part of the world? Oh, that would never happen because it's so outlandish.
But.

Speaker 1 But. But.
But the way we write it. They made ballers.
They made ballers. Yeah, they got bad ideas all the time.

Speaker 1 And the glamorous lives of the pod.

Speaker 1 We did ballers. People are like, oh, that would never happen.
I'm going, that is tame. This is a G movie compared to what really goes on in this league.
Are you kidding me? Jay, we love you.

Speaker 1 You are always a great guest on the show, and

Speaker 1 you're a very genuine person. Sometimes you get kind of overboard in your Jay Glazerness,

Speaker 1 and you fire out some suggestions that are good, but also hilarious at the same time. And I think you might know where I'm going with this one.
I have no clue where you're going to be.

Speaker 1 Okay, so in an article.

Speaker 1 You wrote an article like three months ago, and you said that in order for the NFL to fix its refereeing problem, they should just fire all the refs and hire nothing but combat veterans.

Speaker 1 No, special ops. Special ops

Speaker 1 and teach them how to officiate football games. Damn right.
Can't be worse than it is right now.

Speaker 1 Well, I think it could. Really? Well, so the refs that are really refing right now, they've been reffing for, what, like 20, 30 years sometimes? 80.

Speaker 1 They've got, you really think that, like, if we just turned it on.

Speaker 1 Here is my point. If we made the referees like a branch of the military.
No, no, no. Here's my point.
Is that the reaction time for special ops guys are going to be better than these guys, right?

Speaker 1 You put them together as a team, right? Their athleticism is a little bit better. Plus, they got, you know,

Speaker 1 bullets are flying. These guys react better.
By the way. And then on the sidelines, when Bruce Arians is motherfucking the hell out of him, he's going to be like,

Speaker 1 yeah, maybe I'll hold him.

Speaker 1 I just realized something. I think what Jay is doing is he's going to be able to, if you get all of the special ops, he controls the refs.
Here we we can start throwing games. We're millionaires.

Speaker 1 It's a great idea, Jennifer. That's what I said from the

Speaker 1 Holy Fantasy Football League.

Speaker 1 Just special ops, Navy SEALs. How do you guys not? That's just a phenomenal idea.
Why? Because they haven't watched football their whole life. No, you're getting guys who know football for 12 years.

Speaker 1 There's a bunch of special ops guys who played football. Yeah.
A ton of them. Okay.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 it's one of those perfect companies that's crazy, but has like a kernel of truth in it. So that you can.
I'm not saying guys who don't know football. Guys who played football.
Guys who understand it.

Speaker 1 Do we have enough of those guys to staff? Sure, absolutely. A full NFL Sunday.
LeBrian stands of the world, who's captain of Annapolis' football team.

Speaker 1 And Navy football, quarterback, and play middle linebacker.

Speaker 1 But then we can't bitch about the refs, and that's like my favorite thing in the world to do. Oh, that's well, you can.
They're just going to beat the hell out of you. Right, that's not fair.

Speaker 1 They won't shoot you from a mile out. That's not fair.
I don't want to do that. Or clip you from a mile out.
I don't want to do that. All right.
I have one last question. Seeky question.

Speaker 1 But what other dumb shit did I say you're going to get me on? No, that's it. Oh, that was it? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 That was the most over-the-top thing I've done. Yeah, that's pretty over-the-top.

Speaker 1 You inspire all the officials and staff

Speaker 1 with a branch of the military

Speaker 1 being with that. Yeah.
That's pretty wild. That is his, like, that's something he would tweet.
I would tweet that. That's a joke.
Yeah, but you were serious. You were dead serious.
Dead, damn serious.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and now you're not. Now I've explained it a little bit.
Now I'm like a little bit more sense?

Speaker 1 Not really.

Speaker 1 No, I understand.

Speaker 1 You also have to make sure that there are

Speaker 1 jobs. Why would they affect so much? But also being an NFL ref sucks as a job.
Do you think that's a good thing? How would you have to work three days?

Speaker 1 You're there three days a week and you get paid six figures and you get yelled at. Yeah.
Well, don't fuck up. You will get yelled at.
Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 I mean, have you ever been screamed at by like by Pete Carroll on the sidelines? His gums just flying out of his mouth on shit.

Speaker 1 I mean, even when Pete's screaming at you, he's like doing it in a playful way. Andy Reid ever told you he's disappointed in you? That would suck.
That would be worse.

Speaker 1 Bruce Aaron's the guy who gets after him.

Speaker 1 Motherfucker.

Speaker 1 You guys got to talk to Dean Blandoon about that.

Speaker 1 He'll call and motherfuck him over games. And

Speaker 1 constantly, guys will call the head of officiating coaches. Let's say they're watching Sunday night, you know, Fox's late game on Sunday and they're not playing until Monday night.

Speaker 1 They'll call the head of officiating and bitch about a game they're watching on TV. They got zero to do with them.
Yeah. And just go off on these guys.

Speaker 1 All right, last question. See Geek question.
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Speaker 1 Insider to insider. what are you hearing about a possible comeback for Kyle Orton and Jay Cutler? A lot of buzz.
Oh, there's an awful lot of buzz about that, yeah. So the XFL is starting.

Speaker 1 No, seriously, though, have you heard anything? No. Fuck.
No, actually, I have.

Speaker 1 But I've been waiting. I've been sitting on it.
And look at you guys. You guys hear this side? Jay Cutler?

Speaker 1 I got to make sure that my sources are right on this. No, I haven't heard it.
Okay. Fuck.
I thought I was going to maybe check up on it. But I don't want to take them all.
Start texting.

Speaker 1 You're hearing it, though. No, start texting people, Breaking, hearing about Jay.
And I could love you guys up. Like, damn, these guys are really on their show.
Jay to Jay. All right, Jay.

Speaker 1 I do have one last question, kind of a serious one, because we struggle with this sometimes. So

Speaker 1 we have friendships in the biz.

Speaker 1 People that we're friendly with, specifically a guy like Blake Bortles or Jared Goff, who we were just with on Sunday night. You have a lot of friendships in the biz.

Speaker 1 Does that affect what scoops, what stories you can break? It's a very good question. Thank you.
Good Good question. Thanks.
When I started in this business, I decided a long time ago,

Speaker 1 I'm going to go for the relationship instead of the scoop.

Speaker 1 If you go for the scoop and you burn a guy, look, if a guy says to me, I'm going to tell you this, but it's off the record, you can't repeat it, there's nothing I could do.

Speaker 1 It's off the record, I can't repeat it. Too often, you'll have a reporter go, man, it's too juicy.
I got to go with it. But how often do you really remember the scoops that insiders have had?

Speaker 1 So now I've burned this relationship for the rest of my life. On that same tip, so you've got guys like, I don't want to name names.
But you're about to name them.

Speaker 1 Mike Silver and Hugh Jackson, a guy that will very clearly attack anybody that attacks his good friend Hugh Jackson. How do you manage that? Like, will you go after somebody else?

Speaker 1 It's not my relationship. I'm good.
Yeah. All right.
There you go. Perfect man.
I can stop my. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, like someone attacking my friends. No, they're.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 No. Yeah.
We.

Speaker 1 Someone attacks us. You got our backs.
Not like that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But you got our back. Yeah, you got our back.
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 We got your back. We We got your tools.
Tilly Roy. Yes.
Anybody in this for you guys? I got you. Two seconds.
Okay. Change razor.
Thank you so much. Your gym is awesome.
Appreciate it. Appreciate it.

Speaker 1 Hey, did you guys. I didn't make you throw up, though.
So I'm going to hold your spoon. I did it.
In my mouth. In your mouth.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll throw up later.

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's get to some segments. Finish up the week, grit week.
We're limping there. We're going to get there.
Let's start with just asking questions.

Speaker 7 Danny Connell.

Speaker 1 New segment alert. New segment alert, Hank.

Speaker 1 Just asking questions. Just asking questions.
The provocateur is back at it. So it started.
The backstory is Chris Long admitted to smoking weed. He is probably the worst role model of all time.

Speaker 1 He should give back to Walter Payton Man of the Year. Oh, actually, you know what he should do? He should turn the trophy into a bong.
Yeah, that'd be great. That'd be sick.

Speaker 1 By the way, Chris Long is is smoking weed. Oh, you think? Have you heard him on our podcast? No, man.
He's slow as fuck. Chris Bong.

Speaker 1 No, Chris Long is the man. And if you don't smoke weed, I don't.
I mean, my Firefest is not smoking enough weed this week. But Danny Cannell, forever the provocateur

Speaker 1 and also just general idiot,

Speaker 1 had the hot take. I don't have it in front of me.

Speaker 1 Read it to us. Here's his tweet.
When did marijuana become, quote, good for you?

Speaker 1 you crazy how fast certain narratives move in our society with little or no scientific proof is it better than opioids probably

Speaker 1 but let's slow down treating weed like a wonder drug with no downside risks okay good call danny it's probably better than opioids yeah probably better than the thing that kills 70 000 people a year and was basically created by doctors and big health care to uh make a shitload of money at the expense of people uh getting hooked to very very addictive drugs But probably they saw heroin and they were like, how can we write a prescription?

Speaker 1 How can we put it in a little yellow pill and sell it to America?

Speaker 1 And then we'll give them small dosages after their surgeries and then we'll keep giving them a prescription until they have to get really strong stuff and it'll be fine. Hold on.
Hold on.

Speaker 1 I didn't even see this. We have to listen to this.
This is unedited. Like, we're going to listen to this live because I just saw this.
Hank, give me your mic.

Speaker 1 Danny Connell tweeted to everyone who said marijuana has zero side effects and no risks. People listen to Mike, who called in the show today.
I'd say he gives a different perspective.

Speaker 1 I have no idea what's going to happen.

Speaker 1 He's probably going to be like, I ate fucking Doritos and jerked off into a sock. I think the worst

Speaker 1 fucking terrible

Speaker 1 is you watch a movie that you think is really funny and then you recommend it to your friends and it turns out that it sucks. Now, that is the worst thing that could happen.

Speaker 1 Now, warning here, again, we have not listened to this, so this could really suck if he actually had something really bad happen to him, but we're gonna take that risk.

Speaker 1 Sounds pretty true.

Speaker 1 He's just a kid that's going nowhere. When I hear people say that marijuana

Speaker 1 is such a total and complete lie. It robs people of

Speaker 1 any, I can't think of the right word, maybe you can come up with it. You know, wanting to succeed, wanting to better oneself, wanting to be a success.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I've seen what it's done.

Speaker 1 Four of my kids are fantastic, and one here

Speaker 1 is extensive marijuana use, and he's just going absolutely nowhere because he has no

Speaker 1 incentive. None.

Speaker 1 And so, David, you're absolutely right. I don't want to hear Chris Long.
I went to Villanova. I actually know Howie.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. And he's a wonderful kid.

Speaker 1 He's a wonderful kid, but I don't want to hear this crap about marijuana not doing harm to people. I've seen it.
It does terrible harm.

Speaker 1 My son dropped out of the Boy Scouts before earning his Eagle badge. Oh my God.
That was way better than that.

Speaker 1 Because I thought there was like a chance he'd be like, you know, my son smoked marijuana and crashed his car and be like, fuck, we fucked that one up. I'm glad we listened to it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm glad we listened to it because that was unbelievable. Not only is it unbelievable because it sounds like his son is probably like a pretty chilled dude.

Speaker 1 It sounds like his son is big Levowski. His son just got the dude.
Yeah, his son was like, wow, now I'm well-adjusted. And I realize that my dad sucks.
Yeah, my dad's a dick.

Speaker 1 So guess what? I'm not going to do? Try to do shit to make him happy.

Speaker 1 But yeah, the other part about this is that Danny Connell just moved the goalpost because we were clearly talking about NFL as a substitute for opioids for NFL players.

Speaker 1 And now we have the marijuana is bad for shithead 16-year-olds.

Speaker 1 Way to go, Danny. You fucking, that was a masterclass move by you.
That was probably just Danny doing like a voice.

Speaker 1 The craziest thing is I actually kind of like Danny Connell because he does, like, he does do the provocator, but every now and then he actually, he will think about things differently, but this one he could not be more wrong.

Speaker 1 He's just asking questions, man. He's just asking questions, Danny Connell.
All right, next up, we have.

Speaker 1 I got four of them. Four of my kids are good.
They're phenomenal. Oh, did I tell you that I knew Howie long? Try to get him.

Speaker 1 Try to get him to clean his room.

Speaker 1 Impossible. His mom can't wake him up earlier than 9.30 in the morning.
It's fucking nightmare. He eats all the fucking lucky charms.
He doesn't come to my jazz drum recitals.

Speaker 1 He won't have a catch with me. He's 28, but it's still, he won't have a catch with me.

Speaker 1 All right, forever online.

Speaker 1 Kevin Durant, he's still fighting Chris Brissard. This is ridiculous.
Well, actually, Brissard's actually fighting Kevin Durant. Matchup with the Titans.

Speaker 1 Brissard did the classic thing where he did a Twitter video where he pretended he was doing like a public service announcement, like an alarm you get on your phone, just screaming into the phone, trying to do a TV hit on his phone.

Speaker 1 And uh, he says that Kevin Durant and he exchanged many DMs and sometimes up to five hours of conversations.

Speaker 1 And if you want to debate if a DM counts as a text, he's not having it.

Speaker 1 It's it's probably the greatest uh technicality since uh Darren Revelle said he's never listened to part of my take with only clips of it. It's all one song.

Speaker 1 If you're communicating with somebody, whether it's DM on Instagram, DM on Twitter, a phone call, a text, an in-person conversation. It's all just a text now.
Everything is a text. I text with him.

Speaker 1 I am on team

Speaker 1 Broussard's side.

Speaker 1 On that technicality. Technicality, correct.
Agreed. However, however,

Speaker 1 Chris Broussard went at Kevin Durant earlier this week and was poking him and saying that this season is like, wait, wait, it's a disaster. It's the worst possible situation for Kevin Durant.

Speaker 1 And Kevin was like, well, not I can think of worse situations. Yes.
Point Kevin. Point Kevin.
But I'm sorry. I know you're in the brew crew and you want to get it.
I'm in the brew crew and

Speaker 1 I'm also probably a babyback bitch crew guy too. So my heart is torn.

Speaker 1 I mean, Kevin Durant is.

Speaker 5 You're in the babyback bitch crew?

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, he is a baby back bitch, and I kind of like,

Speaker 1 here's what it comes down to. Never reply online because you'll always lose.

Speaker 1 But if you do reply and you're going to be the reply guy, you might as well just go like full reply all the time, like Kevin Durant. Yep.
Like, he, there's no turning back the clock for Kevin Durant.

Speaker 1 He can never, he can't be like, hey, guys,

Speaker 1 never win an argument online. I'm done with this.
Like, no, dude, you're not done with this. You have to, Kevin Durant will be on his deathbed for like 70 years fighting someone in his Instagram DMs.

Speaker 1 Does this count as texting since they're tweeting at each other? I think they're still texting. Now we just all get to see it.
Yes, correct. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 A text is a tweet, a DM, an Instagram DM, an Instagram comment. So

Speaker 2 I've texted with a lot of porn stars.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's pretty sick. Not to brag.
Let me see your feet. I'm starting to realize that.
Damn, I've done a lot of comments here and there, you know?

Speaker 1 All right, let's do, let's finish up with sabermetrics. Brian Gumbel.
He's mad about saber metrics, PFT. Yeah.
He's trying to kill saber metrics. Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 1 When Brian Gumbel starts to call people nerds, it's time to reconsider your position. Like Brian Gumble, if he's on that train, I think I'm anti-saber metrics.

Speaker 1 So he said,

Speaker 1 talking about the game of baseball, how numbers have always been so important, but how ironic then that the same obsession with numbers that once made the game a national pastime is now complicating its problems.

Speaker 1 Much of the blame can be traced to the modern preoccupation with the silly numbers produced by the analytical folks who value metrics that do little more than cloud a player's image. These are quotes.

Speaker 1 It's a troubling mentality that somehow rewards a pitcher for winning only 10 games, but diminishes a hitter who bats 300.

Speaker 1 So Brian Gumbel's mad that we he doesn't like he actually Brian Gumbel thinks that Jacob DeGrom getting the Cy Young last year when he pitched one of the best seasons like in the last 25 years was a travesty because he only won 10 games because the Mets were shitty.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so he said it doesn't reward players for winning 10 games.

Speaker 1 Well, I think he's talking about the Cy Young. Yeah, but he's not getting the reward for winning 10 games.
Right. He's getting the reward for literally everything else.
Incredibly. Yeah, the 10.

Speaker 1 Winning everything else. Yeah, winning 10 games is the part where it sucked for him because he should have won 20.
Right. Yeah.
So I think he might be a little confused.

Speaker 1 I think what Brian Gumble, this is what happens a lot of times in media, where they think they're making the right, they're somewhere near the right point, but they've put their old man's spin on it because there is an element of guys are now with like analytics and launch angle and all this bullshit.

Speaker 1 guys are just basically home run strikeout or walk and that does suck for baseball but that has nothing to do with hitting 300 or winning 10 games right if degrom was pitching in a way that like it was clear that he had less emphasis on winning the game right and doing something else besides trying to win the game then yes i would absolutely agree but here's the thing about baseball in particular every single generation just comes up with new numbers and new ways to look at the statistics and they make all the previous generation be like no, our numbers are better than yours, but they did the exact same thing when they were coming up.

Speaker 1 Right, right, right. So, like, the next generation after us, they're going to have all sorts of weird shit that I'm not going to like.
Of course.

Speaker 1 I'm going to be like, no, my BAPIP, my war, my on-base percentage, those are the real numbers. Yes.
And then they're going to call me an old man for thinking that. Just go back to RBIs.

Speaker 1 Whoever has the most RBIs wins the World Series. In the game.
Yes. And the game.
Yeah, that's true. Actually, that is true.
Pretty close to true. No, it literally is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the team who has the most RBI. Yeah, so I'm not even counting runs anymore.
Yeah, RBIs are actually the most important stat when you actually look at it. Agreed.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hank, FAQs, with special guest Charles. Yes.

Speaker 1 Our sound guy.

Speaker 1 He just met us this week, and he spent basically all week with us, right?

Speaker 1 That's awesome. Yeah.
Totally. Did you live close to here? Not at all.
Okay, so you've been just traveling non-stop.

Speaker 1 Very busy week for Charles. It's been awesome.
Also, if I called you Spencer at any moment this week, I apologize. That was our last sound guy's name.

Speaker 1 And I just was like, I don't know why I thought that.

Speaker 1 I don't think I did. I think I always was looking out for Charles.
I always called you Spencer behind your back. No, I was like, yeah, we're Spencer.
And everyone's like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 Like, I meant Charles.

Speaker 5 All right, Charles. First question is, in one sentence, how would you describe PMT?

Speaker 8 In one sentence?

Speaker 1 Use many sentences. Don't use one.
Use your words. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Part of my take is like

Speaker 8 a legit conversation about sports. I mean, like, look, honestly, I don't know jack all about sports.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 8 But I find myself listening to a lot more sports commentary than I should. Right.
You know what I mean? Like, I listen to a lot of talk radio, which is generally sports. Right.

Speaker 8 And it's, it's been awesome, guys. Okay.

Speaker 1 A lot of fun. Okay.
I like that.

Speaker 5 Charles, when you first met PFT, how high did you think he was? Follow-up to the PMT boys actually achieve heavy.

Speaker 1 Hard to tell because of the sunglasses.

Speaker 2 I will say that much.

Speaker 8 Not as high as me.

Speaker 1 Okay. Oh, there you go, Charles.

Speaker 1 Fuck, dude. Why haven't you been sharing it? Damn.
No one asked. Nobody asked.
You shit. Well, we don't smoke during show days, but we smoke after.
But, yeah. Oh, okay.
Damn. Nobody told me that one.

Speaker 1 I know. Fuck.
I wish I'd known that before. Did you get Tim Trump? You saw my eyes last week, though, right?

Speaker 1 Only very rarely. Only tonight.

Speaker 1 They're pretty nice eyes, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Don't answer that question.
Don't answer that question.

Speaker 5 If you had to drive that death trap of a van across the country, which one of the three PMT guys would you take with you and why?

Speaker 1 Whoa.

Speaker 1 Four. Bubba too.

Speaker 1 He counts.

Speaker 1 Hmm.

Speaker 1 Bubba's probably a better driver. No, he's actually the worst of a life.
By far. Really? He actually.

Speaker 8 Oh, I was driving behind you for a while today, and you were fucking.

Speaker 1 That's what he was like.

Speaker 1 Yes. Wait, I was not reading Tweets.
Thanks, Charles. I was not.

Speaker 1 Which one? When? Oh, yeah, that was when we had to get off the road so he could take a shit. No, on the way here.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 You're not a good driver. Yeah,

Speaker 1 that was quite deflection.

Speaker 1 We've got a car. At least PFT's butt.
That was a good time. Have we got to a car crash? Not yet.
Yeah, exactly. So, not yet.
Yeah, well,

Speaker 1 one more time. Yeah, 12 more hours.
I mean, yeah,

Speaker 1 you guys can go rent the fucking van and drive two hours back and forth. You would not let that happen.
Well, go ahead and do it. Oh, you don't have fucking car insurance.
That's true.

Speaker 1 You were like, I want to drive the van this week. He's like, bro, I had to put my car insurance up for this vintage piece of shit.
Sucked.

Speaker 5 Sup, Charles, objectively, how tall is PFT?

Speaker 1 That's a great question. It's not that great of a question.

Speaker 1 5'8.

Speaker 1 Yes. Did I nail it? Nailed it.
No, 5'9. Nailed it.
5'9.

Speaker 1 That's so perfect. I'm 5'9.
Great fucking answer. 5'9.
Great. Everyone knows I'm 5'9.
Yes. Charles is going to get us in a fight.
Yeah. This went really well until we brought Charles.

Speaker 1 He's the problem.

Speaker 5 All right, this is the last Charles question.

Speaker 5 Sup, Charles, could you give a general description of the grit van's odor?

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 8 Totally in and out. I mean, 100%.

Speaker 1 Yes, flowed away burgers.

Speaker 1 Burgers under the cushions.

Speaker 8 I don't know if you're going to get your deposit back.

Speaker 1 Dude, every time I said to Hank, I was like, hey, could we clean it? I would look back and I'd just see like an extra burger just kind of floating around. Stay strapped.

Speaker 1 So I guess Charles helped us all get roasted there.

Speaker 1 Hank, do you have any others?

Speaker 5 No, I mean, there was like, just like when you, when you, how did the idea of doing Grit Week first start? I think

Speaker 1 it might be new, yeah, newer people that might not know. So what happened was back in 2016 when the show was but a babe, we interviewed Mark Titus, like our second or third guest.

Speaker 1 He was pretty early on. Yeah, very early on.
And he told us at the end, he was like, you guys need to go to the Indy 500. And I was like, fuck yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 1 And everybody else was like, yes, a road trip is in order. And so we drove through the Rust Belt, decided to call it Grit Week because we were traveling through the grittiest part of the country.

Speaker 1 And it just kind of became an annual tradition. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So we did two years in the Midwest, one year in the South. Now we went to LA and probably, what do you think? South of France next year? Yeah.
Make it really Monte Carlo.

Speaker 1 Monte Carlo, really gritty place. Hawaii.
Do something like that. Yeah, I mean, it's a good time.
Let's get out on the road.

Speaker 1 We're going to do last year, we added the training camp tour. We're going to do another training camp tour this year in the Midwest.
Let's just get out there with the people. See them at a Ralphs.

Speaker 1 Didn't even know Ralph's was the thing.

Speaker 1 Maybe a Vons or a John's. What is that? It's not going to be a good one.
Other supermarkets. Vaughn's and John's.
Those are two separate, not Vaughn's and John's.

Speaker 8 Two separate, two separate.

Speaker 1 So you can go to Vaughn's,

Speaker 1 and then you go to John's.

Speaker 8 I think Vaughn's close, and then John's gets a deal on the J's, and they just throw the J up there.

Speaker 1 What do you go to Vaughn's for? Am I high or are you high? Vaughn's?

Speaker 8 They're two different grocery stores.

Speaker 1 Okay, Vaughn's and John's. What do you go to Vaughn's for? And then what do you go to John's? But what's better at like Publix has awesome sandwiches.
How many, who's got more? Vaughn or John?

Speaker 1 Vaughn's. Okay.
Ralph's got the most?

Speaker 6 Same as.

Speaker 1 Well, same as John or Vaughn? I think they're all the same company. Okay.
I'm Team John's, though.

Speaker 1 I think I'm a Ralph guy, even though he kicked us out. Nope.
It's just a funny name for us. They're Narks.

Speaker 1 They should call it Narks R Us. Ralph.
Sweet. So I still think Vons and John's the same, because that's a good name.
Like, go to Vaughn's and John's and get everything. Love you guys.

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