Mick Cronin, Jay Glazer, and the Grit Week 19 Finale

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On today's Pardon My Take, Grit Week is over. It's sad.
It's been a hell of a week. Great week.
And we have a great show for you. Because we're going to get it up one last time.
One last time for the boys. Even Hank.
Even Hank.

Mick Cronin on the show.

Jay Glazer on the show.

Fire Fest of the week on the show.

We actually were able to watch some basketball.

Oh, fuck yes.

Smelling salt.

Yes, yes, yes.

On the show.

We just did a smelling salt on the show.

Wow.

Wait, give me another one.

Yeah. Pass it, pass it.
Oh. Oh, shout out the guy who gave us smelling salts at Ralph's on Wednesday, whatever day that was.
Okay. That was awesome.
We have all that on the show. I feel so fucking good now.
That was a total game changer. Hank, way to go, dude.
Way to go. All right.
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And Aaron Rodgers has completely cursed the Milwaukee Bucks. Big man card situation.
I said at the start of the playoffs, I was like, the speed in which your football players chug beers is directly correlated to your basketball team's success in the playoffs. And we've seen it time and again in the NHL, in the NBA, and guess what? Rodgers absolutely cursed him.
And then Christian Yelich piled on him and he chugged a beer David Bakhtiari chugged three beers and then to add insult to injury Matt Stafford was watching the game in a bar and he chugged a beer too and that's a man that knows how to win in the playoffs yes exactly so and not only that but there's actually no state worse to be in and not be able to chug a beer than the state of Wisconsin. If you can't chug a beer in the state of Wisconsin, you got to get out like instantly.
So Aaron Rodgers has cursed the Bucs. Excommunicated.
I didn't want to say it, but that's what people are talking about. I saw Twitter was trending.
I saw it was trending Rodgers beer. I just assumed cursed was also in there.
They just ran out of characters. So we have that.
We got to talk talk about this game we actually watched a basketball game for the first time this week thankfully we've been going up and down the coast doing a million interviews we'll get to the rest of grit week the finale of grit week in a minute but let's talk about this game real quick yeah what what do you think drake would have done if the camera panned to him on the sidelines okay well guess you think guess. Do you think he would have chugged a beer? No.
He probably would have chugged. What's that? Doesn't he have? Hypnotic.
Yeah. Ciroc.
Ciroc. No.
You know what he would have done? What does he have? He has an alcohol, right? He's got a whiskey or something. Oh, yeah.
Virginia whiskey. Yeah, dude.
I think. He has that commercial where he's in that sweater and he's trying to smell that girl's.
That might be a music video. You're talking about Joe Bott trying to smell a girl's hair? No.
Yeah. No, no, no no no he liam he has a fact check that he's got a liquor he would have just gone over to nick nurse and just funneled the beer into nick nurse yes so yeah exactly just helped him like a sippy cup uh so we had the the beer truck what is it virginia black so just it was on the tip of our tongue we almost had it uh it's funny you bring up Drake.
We've got to get to the actual game, but this league, man. So Mallory Edens, who is the daughter of the owner of the box, sat next to Aaron Rodgers, wore a Pusha T T-shirt.
And then when the Raptors won, Drake changed his Instagram profile picture to a picture of Mallory Edens. This league.
So petty. People forget he never actually responded to Pusha T, though.
Oh, I did forget. I just remembered.
He was quick for Mallory. Yeah, that's the most Canadian response ever to a disc track is to just wait and then subtly change your social media.
Take your Yeah. Yeah.
Take as much time as possible. That's as mean as they get in Canada.
You know what? I'm real ticked. I'm going to change my avatar.
Yeah. That's how good Drake sounds.
But the game. Okay.
Let's talk about the game real quick. In honor of Grit Week, Fred Van Vliet.
Yeah. Seven for nine from three.
Had the game of his life. Grit to Vanliet, the March of the Peaceful Army.
Yeah, he was awesome. He was awesome.
What do you want? I don't know. I just don't know.
Gritta Van Vliet is the name of a band. Yeah.
And they have a song called. They're like, everyone's like, oh, my God.
They're the new Led Zeppelin. Oh, okay.
Yeah, close. Do you like them? It does sound like a U-boat commander.
Yeah. you like them uh grits of van vlick yeah uh yeah i feel like we've been put it's been pushed a little hard on it's like yeah this is the band that will save rock and roll it's like meh yeah they're like led zeppelin if they did all the wrong drugs right they're they're essentially led they're an american led zeppelin that happened 40 years after it was cool to be led zeppelin.
Yes. Which is exactly what they are.
I think we've just covered all the Greta Van Vliet talk. Yes.
All right. So Fred Van Vliet had the game of his life, and Kawhi was okay.
But Giannis. Well, Kawhi was better.
No, he was good. He had a software upgrade tonight.
He was better than Giannis. He wasn't 45-point Kawhi.
We've seen points in this playoffs. Oh, he ended with 35.
Kawhi is the fucking guy who you can just watch a game and not realize that he's got 35 points. You know what I mean? Because it's so efficient and it's so robotic and steady throughout where it just happens.
And you're like, wait, you look up and you're like, oh, shit.

Kawhi's got 28?

How'd that happen?

I feel like I've only seen him make two buckets.

Noted conservative Kawhi Leonard probably really wants a White House visit.

Yes.

So Kawhi had a very good game.

Giannis was not great.

And he was good, but he wasn't MVP Giannis.

We had the best part of the game as the end when he turned his ankle, out for a possession and chris fucking weber i cannot stand chris weber like sitting there and being like he quit on his team chris weber for everything chris weber for everything good that juwan howard did for the fab five today chris weber ruined it yes with the commentary at the end i i just something about like he just i don't like chris webber he's very bad at diagnosing injuries yeah well no that was reggie miller no reggie miller and chris webber together together start the worst hospital of all time yeah they i just something about him and the fact that the the fact that he was like yeah janice quit which i don't even know what happened i don't know if he came out because of the ankle or if it was he was actually tired well no i'm betting that jonas came out because he was hurt yeah but but but chris weber saying like a team like jonas is coming up small in a big moment is like uh come on chris weber dude see web and i know like the whole like uh you know you gotta let it go because he's now an analyst but it still feels weird doesn't forget he traveled on that play too. They didn't call that.
They did not. They did not call that.
They actually would have rather them called that. Yes.
Because then they got the free throw in the ball. Ball don't lie.
Right. Puck don't.
Fuck. So now I guess the Bucs are in trouble, and we have Drake is going to be around for the next three weeks bothering us if the Raptors finish it off at home.
I'm hoping for that. I was on the Bucsucs train big time, and then I was off, then I was back on, then I was off, then I was back on again.
But now I think I'm off again, official status, because I want Drake in the finals. Off, on, off, on.
Flip, flop, flip, flop, flip. So you're basically just going with whoever wins the game.
I want Drake on the sidelines in the finals. The Bucs will on the Bucs.
Yeah, okay, got it. But I've thought about it, and having Drake on the sidelines for what I think would be a short NBA Finals would add at least a little bit of intrigue to it.
Kevin Durant and DeMarcus Cousins already ruled out for Game 1. Okay.
Over, under, six games left in the NBA season. Great question.
Exactly six. Over.
I'm betting the push. I'll bet over.
I'll take the under. Good question.
I'll bet over. I think whatever the finals are going to be, it's going to go.
Well, you got to factor in game seven. Yeah, yeah.
Five or six. Whatever the finals will be.
I think the Warriors sweeper going five. Okay.
All right. I think he's going five.
Kawhi's pretty good. Kawhi's pretty good.
Would they do the thing where they just make his ankle blow out in the first games?

I mean, the Warriors are clicking on all cylinders, and they have like 15 days off.

Rest or rust.

No, but it's like.

Rest or rust.

Good point.

You need to shoot every day to be good at shooting.

As a shooter, someone who has shot the ball, who has shot it.

Didn't say if it went in or not, but I have shot.

When I do not shoot, it hurts my game. You don't think they're shooting? Who knows? Who's to say? I haven't seen it.
Carl Everett, dinosaurs. A real quick Skip Bayless update here.
So he's got a new person that he hates, and it's Kawhi Leonard. Okay, yeah.
So Kawhi is like his new LeBron, because LeBron really isn't in the discussion anymore. So he has to move on with his takes.
Skip is a Spurs fan, correct? He is a big Spurs fan. Yes, my Spurs.
He only refers to him as number two now, which is like, I don't know if he's calling it shit. Duke it, yeah.
Or if he's saying like he's Robin, but he's saying number two wanted no part of having to shoot those clenching free throws, so he retreated from three Raptors trying to foul him. Oh, no, no, sorry, that's Giannis.
Wait. Wait jannis wait and that was i'm trying to figure this out because he said he oh skip we're not high we're not high high on not vessels jesus christ you are we were fucking high skip fucked it up i don't fight what were those that we just took that was the smelling smelling sauce but back to skip he said he retreated from three bucks trying to foul him, lobbed a dangerous pass to Lowry, who got tackled, no foul call, and Toronto lucked into a clenching dunk by Siakam.
And then he said, nailed it. Now we see if the limping.
You did the thing where if you can't say a name, you just say it as quick as possible. No, that's a really good way to do things.
But then later, this is actually his pièce de résistance of the night. Now we see if the limping legend can stand up to the pressure of a closeout home game to get to the NBA Finals.
So Kawhi is the limping legend. He did have the quad injury that kept him out for an entire year when it probably was a week-long injury.
But Skip is furious.

So two things.

One, Skip Bayless.

Two, Drake.

Those are the two reasons why you should root for the Raptors

to be in the NBA Finals.

And something not enough people are talking about.

Gucci Mane went to his first game in Canada.

He wasn't allowed in Canada.

He said it in a song.

He finally went to his first game in Canada,

wore a Bucs jersey.

They haven't won since. Gucci Mane curse.
What do you have to do to not be game in Canada, wore a Bucs jersey. They haven't won since.

What do you have to do to not be allowed in Canada?

Well, he's been arrested for...

Remember, they changed you recently.

If you even have like a...

You got let off. Self-defense.

Okay, respect Canada.

Actually, that was a bad point by me. Bad brain.

Bad brain me because you're not allowed

to go to Canada if you have a DUI either.

How would you know that? Because I've helped plan a bachelor party in Montreal. And you have a DUI? No, it's just, hey, just so you guys know, if you have a DUI, you can't go.
And a guy was like, yeah, I can't go. That's actually a great excuse to get out of a bachelor party.
Everyone should get a preemptive DUI. Yeah.
But whatever it may be, whatever happened in this game, I think it all has to come full circle. Aaron Rodgers definitely cursed the box absolutely like that is you cannot have your quarterback now finish a beer what was that well tom brady can chug a beer faster than back to you are he can yes and you uh who do you go who do you go against that told the story uh it was ross tucker ross tucker that's right so what i don't understand i think aaron rogers is gonna do a thing Someone's going to ask him about this, and he's going to be like, I don't do peer pressure.
Everyone wanted me to chug that beer. I didn't want to chug that beer.
I actually drink mead. Yeah.
Well, he challenged him already to a whiskey. He was like, next time, make it a whiskey.
Okay, yeah, we all chug our whiskeys. At about the same speed.
Yeah, you would still probably lose to David Bakhti. Yeah, no, it is disgraceful to the state of Wisconsin.
Yeah. And, I mean, I'm just saying, how far is this curse going to go? We don't know.
Maybe into next year. Maybe to Christian Yelich.
Maybe to the Packers. Maybe forever.
We will not know. That would be a real shame.
All right. Grit week.
We are. Sheesh.
Damn. Yeah.
That was. It was something.
I don't think that we've ever done this many interviews in this short of time. We're not telling you guys every one that we've done.
We're going to keep a couple secret. We keep a couple close to the vest to surprise you with later, but it's been fun, and it's been probably the widest range of interviews that we've ever done.
We did six on Wednesday. We did four on Tuesday.
we did another two today uh a couple more sunday and monday i think we're gonna end up tomorrow yeah one tomorrow i think we're gonna end up with like 15 or so and it was awesome huge guests very fun time we didn't get in any fights which was very big of us uh credit to a couple people. Kelly, who helped book.
Shout out Kels. She's probably not even going to listen to this.
No, she definitely doesn't listen. What's her Twitter? Find her Twitter.
Everyone tweet her. Thank you.
Let's do that. That's really nice of you.
Yeah, let's tweet. Yeah.
Shout out to Charles, the sound guy, who is going to be on the show at the end of the show. And shout out to all the AWLs who to ralph's and had the cops called on us that was really nice we you know what it would have been badass if we had gotten arrested there because the charge would have been inciting a riot yes they actually sweet fucking charge so we showed up to ralph's it was incredible we there was like legit 350 400 people there and we start talking to everyone taking pictures hanging out and then the manager at ralph's comes over to me he's like hey what are you guys doing and i was like what do you mean we're like here uh we're taking pictures we're doing a body armor thing she's like well we're about to call the police and i was like well can we just hang out and take these pictures she's like she just walked away she's like i'm calling the police and also if you're if you're really into crowd estimation like we are, especially during parades, if you see the picture that we tweeted out, that's not everybody that was there.
No, that was like a quarter. At the very, very end when we got the picture.
Also, I did officiate a wedding in the back of Greta Van Vliet, but it turned out that they were pranking us, and they were brother and sister, and they didn't actually kiss each other. Thank God, to be honest.
Yeah, thank God. But I did pronounce them husband and wife, so I think they're married.
Yeah. Well, no, but it wasn't their real names.
And it wasn't their real names. So you did a bad job as a minister.
Next time I'm checking IDs. Leroy the dog of ministers.
Oh, you shut the fuck up.

Because Leroy.

I mean, no, wait, wait, wait.

No, no, no.

Because Leroy.

He's one for two on weddings.

That's way bigger than Leroy's average.

Leroy nailed Jawan Howard to Michigan.

Oh, great.

Two days ago.

The one that everyone was saying?

So boop.

No, he said it first.

Oh.

People talked about it like a week ago.

Yeah.

And then when it was Ed Cooley, Ed Cooley, Ed Cooley, and Leroy bucked the trend and said, it's not Ed Cooley, it's Jawan Howard. I'm just happy you have to delete that.
Boop. Yeah.
He doesn't delete anymore. You just need to make people fuck before.
Yeah, that's true. Yeah.
It's like, oh, all right, well, you got to fuck because I've married a brother and sister. Let me see the old penetration.
Yeah, so, no, shout out to everyone who came out. The cops got called.
We've got the cops calling us twice this week. I don't understand what California is.
Not people just coming up and being like, hey, I'm calling the cops. Do you have a permit? Yeah.
Do you have a permit? No. I'm calling the cops.
Do I look like somebody that has a permit for anything? It was fast, too. It was like in California, I guess it's one question.
I'm calling the cops. I felt like the barbecue lady in Oakland.

So the lady that saw us filming today, that's Boardwalk Becky.

Yes.

You have a permit?

I need my space.

Where's your manager?

She said that.

Any other Grit Week things that we need to discuss?

I mean, it was an awesome week.

It was fucking a blur.

And I feel like we traveled up and down everywhere. We didn't die.
It's going to be a good summer. In the van.
Going to be a great summer. Happy Memorial Day.
Happy Memorial Day. You can wear white after Memorial Day.
Uh-huh. Or if you're a virgin, you can wear it before.
Also true. Should we do Fire Fest? Let's do it.
Let's do some Fire Fest. Hank, why don't you with your FireFest? Okay, this is kind of a preemptive FireFest or a pre-related FireFest.

I don't know what the proper...

Pre-related, yeah.

Yeah.

Put it out there.

That we're going to be in New York next week.

It's just that we've spent this entire week.

Because I was thinking earlier, it was like, oh, FireFest of the week.

It's like, there are no FireFests.

We've been in California enjoying this beautiful Los Angeles weather, having a great week.

I have no FireFest, but I know on Monday when when it's like fuck we're just in new york for the summer don't miss that i'm gonna be coming back to la anytime soon probably only gonna have like one vacation this summer oh man the best part about being in la this week is everyone's saying you brought the bad weather with you and it's like 65 and sunny and we're like this is awesome this is incredible we also spent some time with mark titus yesterday and he was uh he was talking about how much he loved it that was that was yeah that hurt because he's not that guy and he was like i the only thing i hate about this place is how much i love it i was like what that sucks i needed you guys to hear but it's in zone when we get back to new york it's actually gonna be good weather. But it's still in New York.
You're right. When it's good weather in New York, it's like, one, you know it's fleeting.
Two, you know if it's hot, it's just going to bounce off the trash directly into your nostrils. New York's weather is this.
It's 40 and below. It's miserable because it's either snowing or cold or whatever.
It's wintertime. 40 to 60, it's definitely raining.
60 to 77 is nice. 77 up, it smells like hot trash and puke and diarrhea.
Amendment, 60 to 77 is nice, but that's also the start of mystery water hitting you on the sidewalk. Yes.
Charles, you're an L.A. local.
What would you rate this week of weather? Oh, Charles, you got a mic.

It's been about a seven.

Okay, seven?

Yeah.

Dude, this is a 13 out of 10.

That's a L.A. one.

Yeah.

Yeah.

A seven in L.A. is like, if you're in New York City, that's an 11.

Yeah, when we were with Blake Griffin and I was like, hey, Blake, how hot does it get

in the summer?

He's like, maybe 90 at the most.

I was like, God damn it.

This place is fucking perfect.

Because I can't take the heat.

I'm fine with the cold.

Fuck.

God damn it.

Shut up, Hank.

Is that it?

Yeah.

Okay, Firefest of the week.

You're one.

My Firefest of the week is...

I broke my rib today.

A pretty much broken rib.

I have a pretty much broken rib. So it hurts to laugh.
Good thing that this show is not very funny so i'll be okay on that front we were filming a video and i thought you were uh like doing this for the video you thought i was doing a chaos on yeah no we were filming a video that should be out tomorrow yeah tomorrow the chaos today the chaos bros today and i was doing yoga on the beach for one shot and i tried to do the worm bad move because i've never actually done the worm in my life no one has no one really has and i i didn't know how to start so i just dove onto my chest chest first yeah and i broke my rib pretty much damn it's basically it's basically pretty much broken rib yeah basically my other fire fest of the week is well this is also pre-lated because uh we going to have to get messy, I think. I think one of us is going to have to get messy.
Mike Florio wrote a blog today about how Kirk Cousins challenged him to do the Broken Egg Challenge for crack cancer. And it's pretty much you just.
Wait, what's crack cancer? It's a fundraiser. It's like the ice bucket challenge.
Oh, it's cancer when you smoke those crack.

No, that's also a thing.

Yeah, yeah, I know.

It's just called addiction.

Yeah.

So with Florio, he has to break eggs on his face.

He actually wrote in his blog on his toupee, but it's really just a short face.

Okay.

He has to break eggs on his face, and then he gets to nominate multiple people to do it next.

And don't let him know that we're onto him, but he's going to choose one of us, if not both of us. What if I just say no? Well, then you support cancer.
Well, I mean, at some point, well, I support stopping cancer. But you support cancer if you don't support paying money to cure cancer.
Well, maybe eggs is part of healthy living, so why would I waste I waste an egg Well it's also high in cholesterol

So it contributes to heart disease

I didn't say that

You eat the egg whites my friend

That's one less egg that somebody else

You're taking a bullet for somebody else

Yeah I probably

I'll just donate to cancer

He's probably going to nominate

Yeah I'll donate instead of doing a video

Okay I'm just letting you know

My last fire fest of the week

Is I left my laptop charger

And my phone charger

And all your pens

No, I look at this. I got three pens.
I've been amassing. Oh, you finally found them.
Yeah. So I left my laptop charger and my phone charger in New York for an entire week, and I've somehow managed to scavenge charges from you guys.
You've been chasing. It's been half the conversations as we do it.
I'm going to give you that back'm going to give you that back. Half the conversations have been...
It's also not your charger. Yeah, I know.
Half the conversations have been, hey, can I get charged? Can I get a quick charge? Does anyone have a brick? You're just walking around being like, hey, whose brick is this? Just unplugging things and being like, is this anyone? It's like, yeah. I've been that friend that always asked if they're done with that food.
Like, you got kills? I'm not that guy, though. You got a pen? You got a charger? I was, and I admit that's a very annoying friend to deal with.
But the thing is, we landed, and we didn't have time to go to the Apple store. It was my plan to buy something from the Apple store, so I didn't have to do a pain.
But I was a pain in the butt, and for that, I hand up. And this was truly, if you're chasing a charger all weekend on both devices, that's so stressful.
Yes. You're basically on life support.
Yes, pretty much. There's Charles.
Thank you, Charles. I love it.
I love it. I fucking love it.
It didn't help, too, that I brought a charger, but then left it at Jared Goff's house. So it became a very bad charge situation.
The Los Angeles Chargers did not show up. No, they did not.
They're still the San Diego Chargers to me. All right, I got two fire fests.
One is we didn't smoke enough weed. That sucked.
Like, we just didn't smoke enough weed. I think a lot of people thought that we smoked weed for the popcorn conversation.
Right. But we were really fired up about popcorn.
But it's just like we had too much shit going on. A lot of people gave us weed, though.
Shout out to those people. Oh, yeah.
Shout out to the guy who came up to me at Ralph's and was like, Hey, Big Cat, can you sign my edibles? And I was like, sure, dude. And I was like, do you have a pen? He's like, oh, fuck.
He was like, babe? He's like, I forgot a pen. I was like, well, that makes sense.
Someone had a magic marker, like an erasable marker, and they were trying to sign wet beers. Yeah.
That's tough. The dry erase ones? Yeah.
Yeah, that's tough. All right.
And then my other fire fest, I want to preface it by saying I think I handled it very well, and there was no drama whatsoever, but PFT made us pull over and poop for 10 minutes while we were driving in traffic. Yeah, we were stuck in traffic.
Andy liked to tweet while he was in the bathroom. Yeah, I did.
What else are you going to do? Wait, wait, wait. You expected me to not check.
Somewhere in our contract as co-host, it says that I'm not allowed to like tweets when I'm taking a shit. No, no, no.
We were trying to get back through traffic. You like tweets when you're driving the RV.
Hold on, hold on. I told you.
Great point. Hold on.
You're getting mad. I told you that I handled it well.'re getting mad you said i was like hey can you hurry up because i've actually never been in a car where someone's like i have to poop i can't really go uh not only that but we literally had just left an office with the bathroom and he's like i didn't want to poop at boris's office yeah i thought that would be rude it was okay so we got in the in the car it's fucking terrible traffic on the 405 north and we get somewhere it was bad we get somewhere and he's like we're like hey pft can you hurry up because we got to get back and he was listening to a pizza review like slowly getting out of the car and like slowly walking to the bathroom and then it it was like 10 minutes and i know that poops take a while but sometimes you got to do it quite quick also three of those minutes I was trying to get into the In-N-Out but it only had the outdoor locks on the bathroom.
Got it. And so I couldn't get in.
I had to walk across the street. That's terrible.
So it was really like a six and a half minute poop. It was a little longer than that.
But it was two days worth because I hadn't pooped in two days. Yeah, that also is crazy.
My whole body is thrown off by the West Coast. I was shocked when you were like we have to pull over.
I have to poop yeah i had to go i think i should do my confession okay okay this is the right place to talk about it uh but it was still it's very embarrassing for me although i know you guys can relate but i was up this morning i was editing stool scenes we had only eaten in and out the day before it was like seven o'clock in the morning i felt the urge to go take take a shit, and I got up, was like farting on the way, and I shit my pants.

Yes.

Good job, Hank.

First time I've ever actually –

Yes.

I'm proud of you.

It came out –

Our little boy's becoming a man.

How much?

Just a little bit.

Like a squirt.

You had to throw out the boxers?

Yeah, I just threw them right away.

Yes. It was an ugly scene.
got it I understood because I was like oh sitting in my computer I was like oh I gotta take a shit and I stood up and was like oh fart and I was like oh oh and I felt it on my leg in and out should we get them out should we take a look I do not want to look wait they're just in your room? they're in a I put them in a plastic bag like wrap them up and put them in the trash oh Hank I'm proud of you man yeah good job I mean good job this would never happen with Taco Bell yeah are you are you worried about In-N-Out and what it does to you? no by the way I think it was a I think it was a coincidence Hank I thought you know what I thought you were gonna say when you woke up at 7 a.m that you went down to the van and got the fucking in-and-out burger that you squirreled away because i got to the van at 8 30 this morning and i was like what is this oh it's a fucking in-and-out burger just because when we go to in-and-out hank buys all these burgers and just squirrels them away you get one you always get one extra you never know when you're. You left one in over the car for like 18 hours.
That was a long time. So Hank, I'm proud of you, man.
Good job, Hank. Wait, we can also hold this against him next time he tries to get us to move out here.
Yeah, it makes you shit. This place makes you shit your pants.
You'll just be crafting yourself all the time. Would you move to LA if you had to shit your pants every single day? Yeah.
Every single day? And you can't do it in your house every time? Yeah. That would inspire me to invent something and then I would probably make a shitload of money.
What? A diaper? You're talking about a diaper? You invented a diaper? Yeah. Some type of...
We have a button and we can press it and the minute we press it, you shit your pants. So you could be out for a date, boom.
Shit your pants. You could be walking on the beach, boom, shit your pants.
And you have to worry about it every single day. Forever? Or is there like? 15 years.
No. No? I will say that the beach would be the best place to shit yourself.
Yeah, you just go in the bathroom. Yeah, I mean, go in the ocean with a little aqua juice.
Cleans you right up. Nothing like that.
All right, so that was us talking poop. Either way the i handled you having to take a shit very well liam can attest i don't know what that means i was very nice about it sounds like you're mad no i wasn't there but i can tell no we were in a rush oh by the way that we were in a rush and it was you if you had seen him walk out of the car it was he was listening he was listening to liam the watch it was cocky as hell he was listening to a pizza review and slowly getting out of the car.
The alternative was bad, though. If I had not.
No, of course. Listen, I got us off the road as fast as I possibly could.
All right. Let's get to our interviews.
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Okay, here he is, UCLA head coach, Mick Cronin. Okay, we now welcome on coach Mick Cronin, UCLA.
This is brought to you by Body Armor. We're on Grit Week.
Go drink your body armor. Coach coach we got to start with this you are now an LA guy people say LA is soft but you're a Cincy guy by birth and by everything so tell us what grit means to you just hard work I would say uh you know things you talk not I'm not gonna go into my recruiting spiel not when we're in no you can please do recruit us we're in the grit we're in the grit van but uh i can box out you know hard work is uh i'm gonna take in charge is everything you know but you know hard it's not just taking a charge you know like shooting uh like so reggie miller played right behind us right so i mean you know his footwork he worked on for hours and hours and hours the ball just doesn't go in so But, you's a lot of a lot of things you know sometimes grit and toughness get uh always tied into defense and then rebounding so but uh running the floor all that stuff so you know i think just hard work in general personifies grit in your life whatever i mean look at you know you guys worked hard to build this yeah yeah so wait you brought up shooting will you be will you be actually uh teaching shooting in la because you didn't do it at cincinnati you guys just rebounded and uh didn't shoot ever well we shot a little bit uh i'm gonna brag on you so okay okay oh i know you got some advanced stats i was waiting for this you read so so the the leading score is ever at cincinnati oscar robertson don't count he's the best player ever uh so but after that i recruited or coached every one of them the leading scorers in the history of the school so i would go i would go oh sean kilpatrick's the only other guy over 2000 uh deontay vaughn steve logan so jaron cumberland's gonna end up there when there.
Hopefully he goes back to school. Yeah, we had

to make our name with defense.

I'm hoping that

obviously we're able to get

a little bit more elite

talent to where we can score at a

higher clip on a regular basis.

But you still got to have the grit.

Not going to win without the grit. So you're going to be able

to recruit probably some more high profile players down here, some more explosive players on offense, like you said. But how do you maintain that Midwest grit when you're down here in Los Angeles? In perfect weather, you're always happy.
Everyone's smiling all the time. Everyone's really healthy.
You guys haven't been to a – there's a few neighborhoods you need to maybe take the van to. Maybe maybe yeah some grit yeah but how do you maintain that same kind of mentality in this totally new environment for you yeah i i would say you know uh that there's been some guys that played here that would probably take offense to the the the fact that you know la or ucla basketball would all be you know just about flash and you know especially like uh my daughter's going to go to Campbell Hall High School, so the holidays.
Drew and Aaron both playing in the NBA, tough guys. In fact, Drew might be known as maybe the best defensive guard in the NBA.
Yes, agreed. I'm glad you're an NBA guy.
No, I agree with that. Yeah, I absolutely agree with that.
Shut down Lillard in the playoffs last year. So I think, you know, there's more of those guys out here than you know.
So like one of our incoming freshmen, Jaime Jaquez, he's from up in Camarillo. You know, he's going to play for the Mexican national team this summer.
So he's got the grit in him. That's a great name, too.
You like that, isn't it? That's a hell of a name. You ought to see this guy, too, man.
I'm jealous of him. He's got the hair.
He's 6'7". He looks like a damn model.
Listen, I'm not worried about your grit because I know you got grit. The Cincinnati thing, I got to say, my favorite thing that you did this past year was when you held open tryouts.
Now, did you actually? So tell that story. You basically lost to Houston.
You got in front of the press. You said, our team is soft.
I'm holding open tryouts. All the football players can come out and just beat them up and be on this team.
Did you actually do it? Yeah, none of the football guys showed up. I think they might be out of shape.
The problem is the guy that showed up was on the track team. Yeah.
I didn't think he was going to help our toughness at all. But, yeah, you know, it's funny.
A lot was made of that. I think some people back at Media Guys took shots at me for that back in Cincinnati.
But then I didn't hear from them because we went and won the conference tournament. Right.
So, you know, sometimes in the media, look, we're just trying to send a message to our team and to our fans. You know, if we're going to lose, we're going to lose our way, which is playing hard, making sure we don't get out-hustled, out-tuffed.
I was a little upset. I can't count on one hand.
I can probably count on one hand the number of home games we lost in my last five years at Cincinnati. So I think that's a big part.
You just have to set that tone like you can't lose at home. If you're going to build a real program, you've got to plant a flag in your home arena.
So if we lost at home, I said a lot of crazy stuff. After a loss at home.
Yeah, absolutely tune in to mick cronin if they ever lose at home exactly i like that i like that and how quickly did the team respond after that uh well we went one to conference tournament the next week so a week later we beat houston by uh by double figures 15 or 16 and they had a great basketball team uh and we we uh we controlled the tempo controlled the backboard we were the better tougher team the better defensive team and that was the only way you're going to beat them they had an elite team i'm never one possession away from beating contuck sure yeah yeah so you in your press conference as well at ucla you did a classic name on the front of the jersey not on the back you actually like they showed the picture and you turned it around for more pictures because you're like i don't want the name on the back yeah it's you know you got it it's not about it's not about you i think you got to realize it's about the program what is the program it's the university uh first of all you represent your university here obviously you guys talked about how nice it is so you're helping my recruiting there's no better campus no it's beautiful it's absolutely gorgeous good luck trying to afford a house down the street yeah uh but it's it's it's that i mean when your campus is butted up to uh to bel-air it's pretty nice yeah and you so you did that move you did like the i think you actually might be a football coach inside of a basketball coach's body because you did the name on the front and then you did the classic i'm not the boss of my own house my daughter is that's a fact that is a that is that is a total she's in total control she had to sign off on the move but i've been bringing here on vacation for so many years okay you know buttering her up in case the day ever came i got the job yeah there was no real objection right right yeah you know other than a few you know she's gonna miss a few of her friends but friends, but I'm letting her pick. I told her I'll let you get on realtor.com, pick the house.
There you go. Was it weird, the whole UCLA coaching hire, publicly knowing you're the sixth best option for them? I think I was the first best option.
The way it all played out was crazy. You it all played out was crazy.
Right. I mean, you can't control stuff like that.
So what did we talk about a little bit? Some guys got raises. You know, like our boy Ed Cooley just got a nice raise.
Cooley's, you owe me dinner. Yep.
Buzz Williams just went to Texas and got a raise. Buzz left.
He got a big raise. Yeah, I mean, this is our guy, so you might actually get another raise.
Buzz is my guy. Now, he's got no state tax.
Yes. So he's buying.
Make sure he needs to donate to buy a new van. Yes.
Buzz, you need to buy a new van. Give back, Buzz.
Yes, Buzz. Grid van, Buzz.
Let's go. Because he acts like, you know, Buzz's got no neck, so he looks like the grittiest coach in America.
Yes. He's my guy.
Yes, yes. But Buzz is the best.
Yeah. You're a pretty gritty guy, too, though.
I read that coming up through high school, you were, what, like 5'3 when you were playing? Is that correct? Or is it Wikipedia lying to me? I've been 5'. Yeah, somebody did that as a joke.
Somebody told me that was on there. So I've been 5'7 since sixth grade.
Ooh. So you were a center.
Yeah. No, but I haven't had a growth spurt since I was 12.
Damn. Same.
That's tough. I'm with you, man.
So you know the feeling, right? I do. I actually played quarterback and middle linebacker, if you guys can imagine.
I was close to the weight limit on my sixth grade team one time. Here's another thing.
PFT, he's a coach's son. Yeah.
So it's like you literally are just a football coach, just walking around, but you're just playing basketball. Yeah, I don't know.
i always tease my players at cincinnati you know because guys act tough they're big they're strong you know but it's a little bit different to put on a helmet you got to you know guys are put on a helmet until you've had a been crack back yes pancaked yes like you really don't know what playing you know i remember the moment the first time i got blindsided me when i was playing junior high football i'll never never forget it. But then you realize, okay, when you caught your breath, okay, I'm alive.
Then you realize, start hitting, quit being hit. Yeah.
Everybody gets got sometime. And actually, when I was playing back in my day, I felt better after I got hit.
I did. It gets rid of all the cobwebs in your head.
Cleaning the cobwebs a little bit. It just makes you feel alive.
It makes you focus. It makes you focus on what's important.
Of course, I'd rather be the guy who hits him. I'd agree with that.
That's why I took the job. I'd rather live one day as a lion than a thousand as a lamb.
Oh, write that down. You like that one? Write that down right there.
So the other thing I wanted to bring up was you, another classic grit coach thing that you did was you basically had coaching almost kill you oh yeah yeah well i was smart that's a true coach yeah you're like well the job almost killed me literally well they yeah it's crazy i had a thing called arterial dissection and it's about five years ago they still don't know they have no idea it's like getting hit by lightning okay so they nobody knows what caused it but uh yeah i had to like step back be gm for like three months and what'd you do during that time i heard a rumor that you drove around and listen to the games on radio yeah the road games okay yeah i was going stir crazy but you know we were at home let's just say i was probably a little more involved than my doctors wanted me to be okay yeah with you know still i was program. I might have, after a loss, come into practice and kicked all the balls off the rack.
With an aneurysm. Yeah, you know, some of that stuff may have, you know, I can admit a few of those things.
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, we can look back.
Was blood pressure like a triggering factor? Was your doctor telling you? No, they don't know. Because they don't know when it happened.
We just know it caused me to have a piercing headache and it found it. So they wanted me to just lay low, let it heal.
I feel like blowing off some steam, though, is probably good for it. Yeah, I agree.
You don't want to have that build up. Yeah, exactly.
So when you would listen to the road games, would you drive around and just... Yeah.
I mean, I feel like that would get my road rage up, but... Yeah, during a road game, that was the't watch games right so that's what I felt like it got to a point it was painful to watch the game it was tough because you can't be involved in it I was fine so being a divorced parent when Sammy was with me I was good because I had to act right she would yell at me yeah she would yell at me yes uh she was in charge of keeping me under but but if she was at her mom's then i was a mess yeah yeah yeah that was that was that was the tough ones um i got a question that's more about uh more about x's and o's really so we're football guys we pay i know i at least pay a little closer attention to college football than college basketball but it seems like college football is like a little petri dish for creativity that eventually trickles its

way up to the NFL.

It has been lately, right?

Yeah, as far as coaching goes.

Do you find that it's the same thing in basketball, or is it the NBA that's more influencing

the college game?

Probably both in our game.

Now, I would say the difference is, at our game, we have different rules, right? The three-point line's different and the shot clock is different. And because of the shot clock, six seconds is an eternity.
Because our guys can't even, they can't even create the shots, let alone make some of the shots pro guys take. So our games are, I think, very much are different than the pro football in college.
I think they're more similar to each other because of the two differences I pointed out. And the talent level, I think, stops us from being able to do some things.
I got to give you an example. Pro guys all say, oh, you guys in college got to learn how to run pick and roll better.
Well, the problem, guys, you have the 30 best point guards in the world starting for you. And if our guy was good enough, that good at running the pick and roll, he would leave and he'd be in your league.
So we don't have some of the, our guys can't make some of the plays, but there are things. I think some of the stuff that's gone up from college to the NBA level is the switching in defense.
I think that would be one thing that's gone up, especially in the playoffs, but it's trickling to their regular season where they're starting to switch a lot more because the league is such a shooting league now in the NBA. I think what's coming down for us is we've got to shoot the ball better, and I think you'll see guys that can't shoot or in the next 20 years are going to get phased out.
You know, just the athletic wing. Right.
Right, because everyone's got to shoot now. It's just, yeah, and our line is going back.
Right. It'll become official here at the end of the month.
So I'll give you a little scoop here in the grit van. Oh, wow.
So we're going to the FIBA line. Okay.
Okay. Yeah, the line's going.
So it's a foot and a half. Yeah.
Not in the corners, but a foot and a half out at the top of the key difference. Okay.
So you're going to even be worse at shooting than you usually are. Well, it'll be interesting.
Yeah. So the theory is that it'll open the floor up more.
I'd agree with that. But again, are you going to stretch your defense if guys can't make the shot? Right.
So you have coaches that think it's going to be great. You have coaches that think, well, it's just going to be less guys can make it.
So it's going to be uglier. Right.
Well, I mean, I'm sure with Justin, you saw a team like Auburn this year who everyone could kind of shoot the three, and that was a game changer for them because they didn't probably have the best – they didn't have the nba talent but they were all all could shoot the three and it stressed defenses out that that's well and at the look at the championship game the shot making that yeah because both those teams are elite defensive right she had the two best defensive teams but the shot making was unbelievable in that game so i think look you got to do all three you got to be able to defend and you got to be to score. And I think rebounding is a big factor as well.
Yeah, I was going to say. Because our game is, look, when the ball is loose, you guys are football guys, right? The ball is loose on every play in basketball.
Like that would drive football coaches nuts. Right.
See, the ball comes off the rim or the ball is on the floor, even when a guy is dribbling it. So the ball is loose literally half the game in basketball.
Think about that. So that's where hustle, grit, because who gets it when it comes – when the ball is on – Pat Riley used to say games are decided by what happens when the ball is on the floor or in the air.
But in football, that's very rare. Yeah.
Right? I mean, if the ball hits the turf, everybody starts yelling, fire, fumble. Yeah, ball, ball, ball.
It's nuts, right? Right. But it happens all the time in hoops.
But you do. I mean, your team's always rebound exceptionally well.
When you have a game where your team doesn't rebound well, is that the most annoying thing that you have? Or is it maybe not getting back on defense? What sticks in Mick Cronin's craw the most? Besides my underwear, I would say, stuff like that. There's stuff that I would tell my team, look, I obviously haven't coached you to play hard enough.
So you can't just say, well, that's a good little neg right there. You're just like, hey, clearly I've failed at coaching you guys hard enough.
It's like when parents are disappointed and they blame themselves. My bad for taking these out.
You got that. Yeah, I like that.
So just so you know, I'm going to have to do much more coaching at the next practice. That's a great way to put it.
So you can work on your own coaching skills. Yeah, obviously.
I'm going to have to do a much better job of holding you guys accountable for how hard we play. Yes, yes, yes.
That would be the stuff that drives me nuts. Have you thought about scheduling Xavier just so you can fight him? That's the best question I've heard.
It's six weeks of being head coach at UCLA. Okay.
That is the best question. Because I think you want to.
Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah.
We might have to. I mean, you did try to fight their whole bench.
Their fans. Yeah, you know, it's not every day you get told F off.
But, you know, their fans, they really have an affinity for me. They do.
They do. I think their fans would love if we scheduled a home-and-home.
Yes. I don't know if I'd get out alive, though.
I don't think so either, but it would be worth it. It would be worth it.
It would be unbelievable. Yeah, I don't know if a pay-per-view.
I do not know if I would get out of that one. Great for recruiting, too.
You get everyone talking about it. You know, Mick Cronin going back to Cincinnati.
That would be interesting. Yeah.
That might be – you know, it's been tough, obviously, leaving the program. I spent 13 years building back up to national prominence.
But probably the best thing, I don't have to go back to. Xavier.
I don't even want to say the name. I don't have to go back.
Ex-school. We'll bleep it out.
We'll bleep it out from now on. Yeah, we'll bleep out the name Xavier.
Do you miss the chili in Cincinnati? Nah. Well, you know, when you're in college, there's nothing.
You know, it's a little bit different. Yeah.
When you're. When you're younger, your stomach can handle it.
When your liver's strong. Yeah, and you have a night out with the guys and it's the only place open at 2 a.m.
You hit Gold Star or Skyline. Do you have a theory that just people from Cincinnati just say that they like it, just as a joke on the rest of the country? No, there's people that, like I'll tell you, Chris Mack, he loves it.
Yeah. I asked him if he thought he was, I said, you mean, you understand, we're not in college and we haven't had six beers.
Mm-hmm. You know.
Yeah, you're eating this sober. That's true.
There's people that love it. Yeah.
What about the oyster crackers with like one drop of hot sauce on it? That's okay. I didn't get that anywhere else.
Yeah. No, I would say here's, there's two things in Cincinnati.
Grater's ice cream. Oh, yes.
That's actually fantastic. And's actually fantastic out here at ralph's so that's i got that covered and then my guys that own the montgomery inn the ribs are the best by far the best it's because the sauce you have the sauce you gotta put it on hot so if you get the ribs king make sure you warm the sauce up people they don't know that so but yeah i can get those as well so was there was there was there a lot of blowback uh from the cincinnati community just because you are such a part of that community when you took the job out here so i i wouldn't know so april 9th i got told my team i was leaving at noon uh and got on a plane at 5 p.m i went home packed as many clothes as i could got on a plane at five and i haven't.
Interesting. So I've been living out of two bags of clothes.
I've been stopping at stores in Santa Monica. I think people are like, why is the coach at UCLA in here? He keeps coming here buying underwear.
That impact. You have a washing machine, right? Yeah, we haven't gotten there either.
Okay. I'm in a temporary apartment.
So, yeah, I've been living day to day. I'm in John Rambobo mode yes i like that that's that's as pretty as it gets yeah i have a suggestion well first of all let me ask you this i got to go back and get clothes and sell my house i haven't been back yeah i hope everybody understands yeah yeah you know i love cincinnati you had a job to do here and you wanted to get started as soon as possible right yeah i just got too much work to do yeah plus we're on the quarter system here, so we're still in school.
Oh, okay. Yeah, so all those young girls you were looking at, they're in class.
They were looking at me. They were looking at this van.
I was wondering what... They were looking at this van.
There's no smoke coming out of the windows. Yeah, they're like, uh-oh.
All the cops, this van should not be on campus. What would you do during a game if Drake came up behind you and rubbed your shoulders on the sidelines? I think,'t know it'd be weird yeah it is weird isn't it yeah you saw that last night yeah i saw i saw it well i did i i saw it this morning yeah you know i'm still waking up at five because my the east coast in me but uh yeah that was weird pretty strange we better be up 20 yeah right they were up they were up 20 actually i have a suggestion for you so drake is kind of a bad luck curse.
Every team that he likes, they all lose. I've heard that.
You should ban Drake preemptively from the stadium. Yes.
That's a very gritty thing to do. Yeah.
I don't know if that would help recruiting, though. Probably not.
Maybe. You probably want Drake around.
I got to talk to the fellas. So, like, I got a lot of returning guys.
Some of the guys on my team are all, they're into the style. You know, we're in Hollywood.
Right.. Right.
They're into the style. I got players.
They're dressed up like they're going to nightclubs, going to class. Right.
So they're going to up my style game here. Coming after Jay Wright.
Yes. You should try to.
You should go for it. Yeah.
He's the king. Yeah, I'm going to come after him.
He is the king. I'm in Hollywood.
Yeah. So I'm going to have my players help me with my style.
Here's a little tip. You should get some fake hair and do a slick back Pat Riley.
Yeah, no. That would be sick if you just showed up with fake hair.
That would be sick. On like day one, you're like, new Mick, new year, new Mick.
With the Riley wig. Yeah, yeah, right.
Maybe a spray tan. What are you going to do about the whole sun thing that is here? Yeah, that's a problem.
You've got to wear hats walking around. Yeah, because you are.
You're pale. Yeah, you've got to wear hats walking around, bro.
Have you seen my billboards up? Yeah, I did. I saw one.
Have you seen them spray paint? They definitely tanned me up. They're one of like, hey, he's not an outsider.
He's one of us. Yeah, they tanned me up.
Just go up on that billboard, somebody out there, and spray some hair on top just to see what it would look like. Yeah.
I had a toupee. If you had a toupee would look awesome.
I'll give you some of mine. You've got to have enough confidence.
You can't have the Gene Katie. You can't be combing it over.
Go self. Oh, man.
That's my guy. Yeah, well, he's got fake hair.
We like him. Have you been to Lawrence yet? No, I want to go.
He would fit in. He would fit in.
Yeah, I think he would be a great one. Yeah, yeah.
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So we were talking before you got in the van. Our friend Huggy Bear, who was basically a big mentor, I assume, at Cincinnati.
What was the biggest lesson that Huggy Bear has taught you when you were a young coach on his staff? Worry about things that matter. I remember it like it was yesterday.
A lot of guys in our business, they worry about what car they're getting with their contract. Things that have nothing to do with winning.
Just focus on what you need to do to win. Focus on the players and what matters.
There's a lot of guys, I think, can get sidetracked in our business. Take your eye off the ball.
There's so many other things going on. He was great at that, and he still is great at that.
Because as you can tell by the way he dresses, he only worries about basketball. Yes, that's for sure.
And, you know, it's funny, but it's true with him. I mean, he is who he is, and he worries about what matters and loves his players, coach ball, and he could care less about the rest.
Yeah, no, he is. I think Huggy Bear is one of those coaches where you can tell the relationship he has with his players is very, very, like, genuine yes i try to you gotta care about some other stuff right yeah like the fake hair that you're gonna get if i'm gonna get the wig i'm gonna get i would love to see you oh man think about underwear you're trying to get you're trying to get some buzz you're trying to get some buzz into the ucla program if you show up with a toupee maybe some lifts you're like six four with hair by the By the way, there's a few coaches out there.
I'll tell you after the show that they were wearing lifts. Oh, that's good.
That's good. Yeah.
We got guys coloring. We got guys coloring.
The hair, yeah, that's Coach K. You're going to need to.
Oh, I already do. No, you don't.
Yeah, I do. I don't right now.
I've lapsed. But yeah, oh, I admit that I

am definitely on PEDs when it comes to the hair color.

Tell me more about these lift things that you put in your

shirt. Well, I would, you know,

you gotta just go with it. You're a short

Irish dude with no hair. You gotta go with it.

You're like a...

Have you not seen the women...

Now I'm in Hollywood.

I love movies.

Jason Statham. Have you seen the women the guy hangs out with? Yes.
It's Hollywood. He's got no hair.
Yeah. That's true.
Wait, did you just compare yourself to Jason Statham? No. I'm hoping.
Okay. Got it.
That's true. He's a bald man's hero.
Exactly. You look like you could be nicknamed the Pitbull, though.
You should lean into that. Yeah, I'm

a bulldog kind of guy.

Yeah, and he's big time.

Yes, yes. Mr.
Worldwide.

That's such a good spin zone for like a

little dude that doesn't have hair. Just call

yourself a bulldog. Yes.
I like that

guy. That's yours.
I'm taller than him.

You might be. Yeah.

I mean, you'll probably never meet him, so

you can just say it. Big bang takes

little bang. Yes, yes.
He's the man.

Yes. All right, Mick Cronin.

Thank you very much. Absolutely.
You're a Pac-12 guy now. Yes, I am.
Conference of Walton. Yes, absolutely.
You've got to be ready for Bill Walton. Have you talked to him yet? Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Oh, okay, all right, good. It's just like talking to him on the air.
You guys are a funny pair. It's classic.
Yes, you should put him on staff. Yeah.
That would be interesting. Yes, that's good.
We'll leave you with that one. Yeah, yeah.
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We are at Jay's gym called Unbreakable. Yep.
You just put us through a workout. We do this with every guest on Grit Week.
It's a fine grit for us, and do we have it? Well, first of all, I'd like both of you guys drug tested now because, you know, clearly you guys are on all sorts of shit. I'm going to fail.
I'm going to fail that drug test. I'm going to get a D minus.
Marijuana is legal out here. No, I don't mean that kind of drug.
Oh, okay. Performance enhancing.
Yes, also. I think the rage is also you guys are throwing.
Yeah. Pretty indicative of guys stacking a lot of stuff.
Yes. Who's a better fighter, me or Big Cat? Define better.
Well, 30 seconds of fury was what I had, and then I quit. Who's bad? Yeah.
Who's bad? I'll put it this way. If we're getting into a fight with you, who do you punch first, me or Big Cat? Whoever's closer.
Good answer. All right, so define grit for us.
Tell us what grit means to you. What does grit mean to me? Yes.
It means pushing your breaking point so you can do stuff that the rest of the world will tap out from when you're the last dude standing. Okay.
When was the last time you were pushed to your breaking point? Every day by my roommates in my head. Are you kidding me? Every morning I wake up and I'm like, oh boy.
They're not doing the dishes? Which Jay Glazer are we going to get today? Okay. Yeah.
It's a daily battle. You've been saying that you use this gym almost as like therapy for yourself kind of half getting about the roommates in my head but yeah i kind of need this place i've always had like a a crew or a fight team i do i push myself in so many different areas always have and if i have like a crew behind me then that kind of that fight walking the walk is a little bit better but in in here, I've always felt like training, mixed martial arts, has always just made me a little bit different and kind of helped curb the depression and the anxiety and those roommates that don't talk so nicely to each other sometimes.
Right. We all got it, man.
Yeah, well, I mean, I think that's really exceptional what you're doing because you have this gym. We've been here for about an hour.

We worked out.

It's clearly like it's a very family-style vibe.

You walk in the door.

People walk in the door, and everyone shouts out their name.

And they're like, what's up? And then you have your Warriors project where you have people,

and you're talking about mental health.

MVP, yeah.

And it's unbelievable.

Emerging events and players, yeah.

And that's the thing.

I've done the same thing here.

So I've tried to create this fight team over here that I've always had. I got involved and started wrestling in 1982, boxing in 86, mixed martial arts in like 99, 2000.
So I've always done something. And I've always realized some of the best talks I've had are in a cage after Randy Couture has beaten the dog shit out of me.
Or Chuck Liddell has destroyed me. And we talk about life.
Like, no one's questioning your man who is going to be vulnerable and you can talk about stuff. And then we've used the same premise of this team.
Like, a locker room is great. Inside a locker room, you don't have any issues.
You don't have, despite what people say, there's no races. People don't talk about politics, but nobody cares.
People care about one thing in a locker room it's one color that's silver you know that's the ring or the trophy yeah right that is it and we're trying to do this same thing here we have our vets and our players is give these guys we'll train them on wednesday nights in the merging vets and players program for about a half hour but then after we sit and we talk about life we got it we got We got each other vulnerable and we talk about

why the uniform doesn't

define you.

Being alone, man, it sucks.

When your uniform comes off, whether you're in the military

or a football player or a fighter or an Olympian,

whatever it is, all of a sudden that uniform

comes off and you're by yourself.

It's a scary world out there.

We're trying to show these guys,

you've got a team and we're trying to coach each other up.

It's badasses empowering other

badasses. We talk about why you

Thank you. What's behind your ribcage that got you to beat out millions and millions and millions of people to make it in the NFL, that is who you are.
And that's what you have to use in your next step of life. And same with our vets.
Last week, we had two guys in here from a unit called the 2-7, the Marines, who just lost their 43rd, 44th, and 45th teammates to suicide. In one week, 45 people in one unit.
Who else can they talk this about right they're they talk and they have 60 of their peers now could talk and then we start getting into it why suicide is such a prevalent issue you know we talk about you know a lot of its power suggestion they see their teammates doing and go why not me right and it's not freaking okay right like it's not okay to be one of the 22 vets a day who kill themselves. Or the people out there who are listening.
There's so much hate on social media. People are, I think the soul is not used to it.
People then comparing themselves to everyone's highlights and Instagram. Instagram ain't the real world.
So when you have a group that kind of reminds you of that and that hears you out and reminds you like killing yourself is not okay.. You never know what lies around next Tuesday.

If you kill yourself, you're not here. You may have saved somebody else's life

next week. So you've got to stick around for the rest

of us. Alright, so you bring up social media.

Going to a little bit of a lighter topic here.

We haven't talked to you. That wasn't light right there?

We haven't talked to you since

the Odell Beckham trade.

Yes. You basically

took a shit down all

social media's mouth with the way you

not only predicted it, but then did a big-time respect. Do you feel vindicated? Because you were getting death threats and shit and you could not have been more right.
It wasn't death threats. They were just talking crap about me, my kid, my mom, my kid's mom, my mom's kids, which is my brother, by the way, not me.
And then they were going on, like, my friend's social media and posting on their stuff, like, dude, I'm talking about your frigging football team. And I'm right.
And I'm right. How did you get that, like, what was the, you just, you know, through sourcing, you just heard that Odell was out there? For a while.
It's been going on. And I, you know, the thing that kind of took me by surprise most of this is, you guys know, I care about being right more than anything.
I've had a lot of big scoops. I've had, I think, some of the biggest ever in the NFL.
This, if I gave a video and this and that, and, you know, the end of the lockout, and pretty much all of Favre's retirements, and, you know, and then unretirements, all that. So when I say something, like I thought I've earned it, or if I say something, as outlandish as it may sound, you could take it to the bank.
Right. Like I came on Fox NFL Sunday a few years ago, first week, said no matter what happens this year, Jim Harbaugh will be out as head coach of the 49ers, even if they win the Super Bowl.
Yeah. And I got crushed for it.
And then he was out. And I would think that just over time that I built up enough trust and equity where people say, oh, crap, Glazer said it.
Let's trust him before we just go. I'm not going to disagree.
They murdered me. Yeah, they did murder you.
They killed me. They got you big time.
Big time. Oh, my God.
It was unreal. I'm not used to it.
That day that I tweeted that out, I just got done in here sparring. I was a little ornery.
You had the endorphins going. Oh, yeah, you did.
I was a little bit of a dickhead that day, no doubt. It was Randy Couture was in here, and we beat the hell out of each other.
He probably did a little more to me. I was just a little ornery, and then I just saw them commenting on other people's pages.
I'm like, this has got to stop. And they had to shit about my mom and my kid.
That was bullshit. I used to sports.
Who gives a shit? Yeah. So you're plugged into the Giants better than probably anyone out there.
I started my career there in 93. Are you surprised by the Daniel Jones stuff? Do you think Gettleman is going to last? What would you say? Time frame.
We never talk about another man's job, but is he on the hot seat already? No, because the Giants don't operate that way. Giants have more patience for the GM than any team of the Steelers.
No, no, GMs. Okay, GMs.
Their GM has always made the picks. I think the teams that are successful, Seahawks, everybody keeps thinking the Legion of Boom is dead, right? John Schneider will pick players, not that he wants, that Pete Carroll is going to use better.
Right. That's the mastery of a general manager, using drafting players that my coach is going to get the best out of in his system.
And some teams don't. The Daniel Jones thing, look, I think the Giants don't do a good job of finding out accurate information that other teams can do.
Draft-wise, guys, there's a lot of information that's accurate behind the scenes that we all kind of share. And we're information brokers.
We know what's going on a lot. I think they do a bad job of it.
So you think that Daniel Jones would not have been picked it? Because that was the whole thing. Gettleman got up there, said other teams were interested.
When he talked about the Redskins and the Broncos, that's not true. So you're saying that he easily could have gotten Daniel Jones at 17 or whatever.
I think they could have waited past six, yeah. To put the kind of pressure on him where they're trying to legitimize this thing, oh, he's Eli and Peyton.
You're talking about Peyton Manning. Yeah, right.
Are you kidding me? If he's Peyton Manning, that's the best draft choice of all time. Ever.
In the history of life. At six.
In the history of everness. Right.
Don't do that to this kid. And you're trying to validate your own, you know, what your own.
Like line of thinking. Yeah.
Yeah. If I compare him to Eli and Peyton.
That's like, oh yeah, we got this guy at 22. We got this guy in the sixth round.
He's Tom Brady. No, we've not.
Right. Right.
Right. So where would he have gone? Like you obviously know all the? You obviously know all the information.
You know where teams were looking at, who was looking at who. I was just surprised by their whole draft.
Even, you know, you need pass rushers. There are pass rushers right up there.
They need a lot of help to go, and especially we're going to get somebody that's going to help our team right now. That's not Daniel Jones.
You're going to start Eli. The de-tackle they chose could be a great player, but he's more of a first and second down player.
Yeah. And he also, they traded Stax Harrison and like, it was all just very strange to me.
Yeah. And the Daniel Jones thing, like, it just felt like you could have gotten him a lot later.
Yes. I agree with you on that.
Right. So you think just about every other team had Dwayne Haskins above Daniel Jones? No, no.
So teams were all over the place on these quarterbacks. They all had Murray won, but they all had Kyler Murray going, we don't know.
We've never seen this before. We've never seen a guy this short.
And I know we're talking about his weight being 207. He's different than we've seen.
But everybody had him up there. And then after that, it was potluck.
Some people had Daniel Jones, too. Some people had him, five.
Some people had Haskins, too. Some people had Locke, too.
Some people had Haskins, five. They had Locke, six.
It was just Will Greer was floating around. They were so all over the place on these guys.
And if you put any of those guys in last year's draft, I don't think any of them except Collar

would have been a first-round pick.

Yeah.

That was the whole thing that made no sense to me.

You had guys who were ranking like Dwayne Haskins, Daniel Jones, behind Josh Rosen from last year's draft.

I don't understand why the Giants didn't do that.

Right.

But they think Daniel Jones is going to be their next Eli Manning.

So, okay, you're going to go live and die with that. I just think they're putting too much pressure on that kid.
They've got to stop with that. He just looks a lot like Eli.
I've been speculating how you can run with this on your own if you can get back up short. I get Brad Pitt all the time, but it doesn't mean I act like him.
It's clear, right? You can see it, right? Absolutely. Matthew McConaughey.
Except you always talk about Fight Club. That's the only thing you talk about is your Fight Club.
That's a good point. Very good.
Guys are getting paid the big bucks. They're calling him the next Eli Manning.
I actually think there's a chance that he's Archie Manning's illegitimate child. I'm so not touching that.
I'm so not touching that. Look into it.
Jay's drinking from his drink right now. He's getting nervous.
I'll get a swab. We'll do a 23 and me.
He's biting his lip. He's giving you a nugget, and then you can develop that nugget later on.

I want to get back into some Brown stuff real quick because they've made so much noise in the offseason.

They were very good, at least for the Browns, the second half of the year, last year.

They got this new coach that apparently everybody loves.

He's hilarious.

Got a great quarterback.

He's hilarious.

I feel like we need to pump the brakes.

For the sake of Cleveland fans out there, we're already kind of anointing them as super bowl contenders and i just don't want to see that town gets heartbroken yeah i agree with you there but i think anything over like four wins right now would be like yes yeah and that's the biggest thing you always tell a head coach when they get a job to i always give this advice to them or gm like make sure you really sell low. And if all of a sudden you make the play, great.
But make sure you tell your owner, oh, we suck. Like nonstop, your job is to make sure we suck.
We are, man, we got to rebuild. And that's why we got a coaching change.
We really got to rebuild here. And they've forgotten that for two years they won one game.
They quickly forgot that. Now, I'll say this.
On paper, yeah, they're a strong team. Their personnel is phenomenal.
And I do think if there's one guy who can – everybody's saying, oh, how are you going to fit the personalities? Baker Mayfield is a gangster. He's not going to handle people trying to, me, me, me, I want the ball.
He's going to put it where it needs to go, and he's going to control that locker room. Baker's different, man.
He's special. Do you make anything of Odell just not showing up to the OTAs, or do you think that's...
I think Odell likes the rest of his life. Right.
I always don't... He was in France when I called him and told him he got traded.
Right. And he was like, I'm not going back there to take the physical.
Right. I'm Because I always go back and forth because I think there is something to be said for guys that, especially a new team, new playbook, all that stuff.
But I agree with you on that. There's the other part of me that's like, hey, if you want to make it mandatory, just make it mandatory.
It's not mandatory. So you can't tell guys.
Well, they're not allowed to. But yeah, if I'm on a new team, like football's a thinking man's game.
You've got to absolutely – the great ones, man, they have you figure it out before the snap, let's say defense, run past, you know, which side it's going to go, what your snap count is, because they constantly film work, film work, film work, film work, film work. It's nonstop, and they take a lot of the guessing out of it.
So, yeah, you've got to, especially with a new team, you want to be really on page with your quarterback, your new head coach, your coordinators. Just be part of the culture there.
Absolutely. Right.
We've got you here. I feel like we need to tap into Jay Glazer and his sources.
Have you seen the Bob Kraft tape? No, nor do I want to. Like, for all the people.
Because you're a liar. We're all counting on you to track this man-to-man.
Why the hell would I possibly want that? We're sitting here on the map. Absolutely not.
You had this liar tape. Why would anybody? And everybody who's trying to get that out there, I have no interest.
Zero. I do.
Do you have it? We'll look at it. Absolutely not.
How about this? Even if I did, I'd burn him. Because I couldn't unsee that.
Well. Yeah.
We'll just send it to us. Yeah.
You guys want that? Yeah. Yeah.
Can you get it for us? We'll see what I can do. I feel like you can.
Has anybody approached you and said, I have access to this? No. I have really made it clear I want nothing to do with that.
Okay. I want zero to do with that.
Don't send Jay the tape. That's like a reverse Viagra.
I don't think I can get over that for a while. Yeah, wink, wink.
I think I'd have issues. Somebody's going to have it.
Somebody's going to get it eventually. It's going to leak.
But wouldn't you rather be the one to have it? No, certainly don't. Okay.
You're not about to scoop life. You're going to watch it.
If it comes out, if Adam Schefter tweets out the video, you are going to click on it. It certainly won't.

I can promise you, you know

the whole death taxes thing? Forget that.

There's one thing I'll never do in life.

Is watch Bob Crabs.

I'm going to send it to you when I get it.

I'm going to be like, hey dude, check it out.

You have to send it. You know how we all send each other

the stupid stuff on text.

Like, hey, look at my kid at a softball game.

And bam. That's what you have to do.
That's going to be podcast winky dinky. I'll check myself into a facility and get a lens replacement surgery.
12 hours to get that image. 12 hours straight.
Can you give us a Jay Glazer exclusive? Give us something that you're brewing on. You have the Odell Beckham.
You have the Jim Harbaugh. Some prediction that's coming.
Maybe it doesn't have to be a this is going to happen, but this could happen. Don't be surprised if this happens.
Tom Brady retires. You know, I'm on the spot here.
I got to think about it. I don't know.
Gronk returns. Huh? No, I think he's going to like this.
I think Gronk, once the training wheels come off, at one point I could see him go, you know what? We're close.

Yeah.

I need three games.

Like November.

Why not?

Right.

Why not?

Why not?

Ooh, Dak Prescott doesn't get re-signed by the Cowboys.

No, he'll get re-signed.

Okay.

See, Dak, let me, I think Dak gets an awful lot of shit, but isn't appreciated.

He's, he's a leader. He affects everybody else in that locker room more than we know.
He is constantly. Look, Dallas Cowboys locker room is different than everything else.
Every single person in there is the center for the Lakers or the center fielder for the Yankees. It's true.
Shortstop for the Red Sox. Every single person in there.
There's so much that goes on in there. And that's why the Troy Aikmans of the the world, it's unreal what they've been able to do.
It's non-stop drama, whether they want it or not. It's unbelievable.
Dak is worth paying. Okay, think about it and maybe you have it coming up too.
I have an idea for you as well. I'm a little punchy today.
Entourage, Ballers, part of Ballers. We found that here for three episodes.
Oh, really? Okay. This season.
Also, this place used to be the Roxy. Night at the Roxy.
No, the Roxbury. The Roxbury.
Night at the Roxbury. Will Ferrell? Yeah.
Meet you. Meet you.
Meet you. There's like a secret tunnel.
Are you guys brothers? No. Yes.
All right. So.
There's a secret tunnel that goes from Chateau Marmont, which is next door, over to here. Really? That they used to like, in Prohibition days, get people out and get like the rat back out.
Chateau Marmont is where John Belushi died. It's like the Kennedy White House.
Yes. Making girls in and out of this place.
All right. So we remake Baller.
So we had Entourage, then it went to Baller. So it was basically Entourage for Sports.
for sports what about entourage for podcasters newsbreakers absolutely so like episode one would be people are going at you for odell beckham right and we have to show up and and fight them off with our words hey nobody talks about baby bro that way let's fucking do let's do a podcast let's do it and we'll fight off all the haters i think i love that idea okay i think that i think the that. Yeah, and then the other half of the show, just with Heartburn, we'll combine the show.
Heartburn? Yeah, we just eat a lot of wings during it, and then the last 10 minutes is always going to be like, damn, oh, fuck. I don't know if I can work out today.
We go out, we podcast, then we eat wings, and then we eat Tums. I think you guys have a hit on your hands.
Yeah. Talk and chicken and Heartburn.
And you know what's going to happen? People are going to go, oh, that would never happen because it's so outlandish. But.
But. But.
But the way we write it. They made ballers.
They made ballers. Yeah, they got bad ideas all the time.
Speaking of the glamorous lives of the vibe. We did ballers.
People were like, oh, that would never happen. I'm going, that is tame.
This is a G movie compared to what really goes on in this league you kidding me um jay we love you you are always a great guest on the show and you have uh you're a very genuine person sometimes you get kind of overboard in your jay glazerness and you you fire out some suggestions that are good but also hilarious at the same time and i think you might know where i'm going with this this one. I have no clue where you're going with it.
Okay, so you wrote an article like three months ago, and you said that in order for the NFL to fix its refereeing problem, they should just fire all the refs and hire nothing but combat veterans. No, special ops.
Special ops. Special ops.
And teach them how to officiate football games. Damn right.
Can't be worse than it is right now.

Well, I think it could.

Really?

So the refs that are reffing right now,

they've been reffing for, what, like 20, 30 years sometimes?

Like 80.

You really think that if we just turned it all over,

if we made the referees like a branch of the military?

No, no, no. Here's my point.

Is that the reaction time for special ops guys

are going to be better than these guys, right? You put them together as a team, right? Their athleticism is a little bit better. Plus, they got, you know, bullets are flying.
These guys react better. By the way.
And then on the sidelines, when Bruce Arians is motherfucking the hell out of him, he's going to be like, you know what, maybe I'll hold it back. I just realized something.
I think what Jay is doing is he's going to be able to, if you get all of the special ops, he controls the refs. Here we go.
We can start throwing games. We're millionaires.
It's a great idea. Only fantasy football leads.
Just special ops, Navy Seals. How do you guys not think that's just a phenomenal idea? Well, because they haven't watched football their whole life.
No, you're getting guys who know football. There's a bunch of special op guys who played football.
A ton of them. It's one of those perfect ideas that's crazy, but has a kernel of truth in it.
I'm not saying guys who don't know football. Guys who've played football.
Guys who understand it. Do we have enough of those guys to staff a full NFL Sunday?

Brian Stans of the World, who's the captain of Annapolis' football team.

Navy football.

Quarterback and played middle linebacker.

But then we can't bitch about the refs, and that's like my favorite thing in the world to do.

Well, you can.

They're just going to beat the hell out of you.

Or shoot you from a mile out.

That's not fair.

I don't want to do that.

Or clip you from a mile out.

I don't want to do that. All right.
I have one last question. Seeky question.
What other dumb shit did I say you were going to get me on? No, that's it. Oh, that was it? Yeah, yeah.
That was the most over-the-top thing I've done? I mean, that's pretty over-the-top. There's been plenty more than that.
You just fire all the officials and staff. You basically stole PFT's whole being with that.
Yeah. That's pretty wild.
That's something he would tweet. I would tweet that.

As a joke.

Yeah, but you were serious.

You were dead serious.

Dead damn serious.

Now I've explained it a little.

Does it make a little bit more sense?

Not really.

No, I understand.

You also have to make sure that there are enough players.

These guys have part-time jobs.

They affect so much.

But also being an NFL ref sucks as a job.

Why would you want to put them through it?

You're there three days a week and you get paid six figures?

Are you kidding me?

Yeah.

Well, don't fuck up. You won't get yelled at.
Okay. Okay.
I mean, have you ever been screamed at by Pete Carroll on the sidelines? His gums just flying out of his mouth onto your face? I think even when Pete's screaming at you, he's doing it in a playful way. Andy Reid ever told you he's disappointed in you? That would suck.
That would be worse. Bruce Aaron's the guy

who gets after him more than Aaron.

Motherfucker.

You've got to talk to

Dean Blandoon about that.

He'll call and motherfuck him

over games.

Constantly, guys will call

the head of officiating.

Coaches, let's say they're watching

Sunday night, you know,

Fox's late game on Sunday

and they're not playing

until Monday night.

They'll call the head of officiating and bitch about a game they're watching on TV.

They got zero to do with them.

Yeah.

And just go off on these guys.

Yeah.

All right.

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What are you hearing about a possible comeback for Kyle Orton and Jay Cutler? A lot of buzz. Oh, there's an awful lot of buzz about that.
Yeah. So the XFL is starting.
No, seriously, though. Have you heard anything? No.
Fuck. No, actually, I have.
But I've been waiting. I've been sitting on it.
Look at you guys. Jay Cutler is going to play with a team.
I've got to make sure that my sources are right on this. No, I haven heard of it.
Okay. Fuck.
I thought I was going to maybe. You should check up on it.
But I don't want to take them all. Start texting it, though.
No, start texting people. You're hearing about Jay? And I could love you guys up like, damn, these guys are really on their shit.
Jay to Jay. All right, Jay.
Thank you. I do have one last one.
Kind of a serious one because we struggle with this sometimes. So we have friendships in the biz.

People that we're friendly with, specifically a guy like Blake Bortles or Jerry Goff who we were just with on Sunday night.

You have a lot of friendships in the biz.

Does that affect what scoops, what stories you can break?

It's a very good question.

Thank you.

Good question.

Thanks.

When I started this business, I decided a long time ago. Thank ago, I'm going to go for the relationship instead of the scoop.
If you go for the scoop and you burn a guy, look, if a guy says to me, I'm going to tell you this, but it's off the record, you can't repeat it, there's nothing I can do. It's off the record, I can't repeat it.
Too often you'll have a reporter go, man, it's too juicy, I got to go with it. But how often do you really remember the scoops that insiders have had so now i've burned this relationship for the rest of my life on that same tip so you've got guys like i don't want to name names but you're about to name them mike silver and hugh jackson a guy that will very clearly like attack anybody that attacks his good friend hugh jackson how do you manage that like will you go after somebody that attacks one of your friends? I don't know.
I don't have to manage it. It's not my relationship.
I'm good. There you go.
Perfect answer. Like someone attacking my friends? Yeah.
Someone attacks us. Not like that.
You got her back. Yeah, you got her back.
We got your back. Absolutely.
And Leroy. Yes.
Anybody mess with you guys, I got you. Two seconds.

Jay Glazer, thank you so much.

Your gym is awesome.

Appreciate it.

Appreciate it.

Hey, did you guys, I didn't make you throw up though.

So I'm a little disappointed.

I threw up a little.

I threw a little.

In my mouth.

In your mouth.

Yeah, in my mouth.

I'll throw up later.

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Okay, let's get to some segments. Finish up the week.
Grit week. We're limping there.
We're going to get there. Let's start with just asking questions.
Danny Cannell. New segment alert.
New segment alert, Hank. Just asking questions.
Just asking questions. The provocateur is back at it.
So it started. The backstory is Chris Long admitted to smoking weed.
He is probably the worst role model of all time. He should give back to Walter Payton Man of the Year.
Oh, actually, you know what he should do? He should turn the trophy into a bong.

Yeah, that'd be great. That'd be sick.
By the way, Chris Long smoking weed like, oh, you think? Have you heard him on our podcast? Come on, man. He's slow as fuck.
Chris Bong. No, Chris Long is the man.
And if you don't smoke weed, I don't. I mean, my fire fast is not smoking enough weed this week.
but Danny Cannell, forever the provocateur and also just general idiot, had the hot take. I don't have it in front of me.
I got it. It sucks.
Read it to us. Here's his tweet.
When did marijuana become, quote, good for you? Crazy how fast certain narratives move in our society with little or no scientific proof. Is it better than opioids?

Probably.

But let's slow down treating weed like a wonder

drug with no downside risks.

Okay. Good call, Danny.

It's probably better than opioids.

Probably better than the thing that kills

70,000 people a year

and was basically created by doctors

and big healthcare to

make a shitload of money at the expense of people getting hooked to very, very addictive drugs. But probably.
They saw heroin and they were like, how can we write a prescription? How can we put it in a little yellow pill and sell it to America? And then we'll give them small dosages after their surgeries. And then we'll keep giving them a prescription until they have to get really strong stuff.
And it'll be fine. Hold on.
Hold on. I didn't even see this.
We have to listen to this. This is unedited.
Like we're going to listen to this live because I just saw this. Hank, give me your mic.
Danny Cannell tweeted to everyone who said marijuana has zero side effects and no risks. People listen to Mike who called in the show today.
I'd say he gives a different perspective i have no idea what's gonna happen that's here he's probably gonna be like i ate fucking doritos and and jerked off into a sock i think the worst it was the fucking terrible worst risk is you watch a movie that you think is really funny and then you recommend it to your friends and it turns out that it sucks now that is the Now, warning here again, we have not listened to this, so this could really suck if he actually had something really bad happen to him. But we're going to take that risk.
I've got five kids, and I've got one boy who has had extensive marijuana use. It's robbed him of any incentive.

It's robbed him.

Sounds pretty chill.

He's just a kid that's going nowhere.

When I hear people say

that marijuana

What a dickhead.

That's a total

and complete lie.

It robs people

of any,

I can't think of the right word.

Maybe you can come up with it. You know, wanting to succeed, wanting to better oneself, wanting to be a success.
And I've seen what it's done. Four of my kids are fantastic got marijuana use and he's just going absolutely nowhere

because he has no

incentive.

None.

And so,

Danny,

you're absolutely right.

I don't want to hear

Chris Long.

I went to Villanova.

I actually know how he...

Oh.

Oh.

Name drop.

I was a little

same there.

I was a great athlete.

I was a swimmer.

Oh.

Okay.

And he's a wonderful kid. He's a wonderful kid, but I don't want to hear this crap about marijuana not doing harm to people.
I've seen it. It does terrible harm.
My son dropped out of the Boy Scouts before earning his Eagle badge. Oh my God.
That was way better. Because I thought there was a chance he'd like you know my son smoked marijuana and crashed his car and be like fuck we fucked this one i'm glad we listened yeah we listened to it because that was unbelievable not only is it unbelievable because it sounds like his son is probably like a pretty chill dude sounds like his son is big lebowski his son just got uh the dude yeah his son was like wow now I realize that my dad sucks.
Yeah. My dad's a dick.
Yeah. So guess what I'm not going to do? Try to do shit to make him happy.
Yeah. But yeah, the other part about this is that Danny Cannell just moved the goalposts because we were clearly talking about NFL as a substitute for opioids for NFL players.
And now we have the marijuana is bad for shithead 16 year olds that way to go danny you fucking that was a master class move by you that was probably just danny doing like a voice the craziest thing is i actually kind of like danny cannell because he does like he does do the provocateur but every now and then he actually he will think about things differently but this one he could not be more wrong he's just just asking questions man just asking questions danny cannell all right next up we have uh what i got four four of my kids are great they're phenomenal oh did i tell you that i knew howie long try to swimmer try to get him to clean his room impossible his mom can't wake him up earlier than 9 30 in the morning it's fucking nightmare he eats all Lucky Charms. He doesn't come to my jazz drum recitals.
He won't have a catch with me. He's 28, but still, he won't have a catch with me.
All right. Forever online.
Kevin Durant. He's still fighting Chris Broussard.
This is ridiculous. Well, actually, Broussard's actually fighting Kevin Durant.
Matchup with the Titans. Broussard did the classic thing where he did a Twitter video where he pretended he was doing a public service announcement, like an alarm you get on your phone, just screaming into the phone, trying to do a TV hit on his phone.
And he says that Kevin Durant and he exchanged many DMs and sometimes up to five hours of conversations. And if you want to debate if a DM counts as a text, he's not having it.
It's probably the greatest technicality since Darren Revelle said he's never listened to part of my take. Only clips of it.
It's all one song. If you're communicating with somebody, whether it's DM on Instagram, DM on Twitter, a phone call, a text, an in-person conversation.
It's all just a text now. Everything is a text.
I text with him. I am on Team Broussard's side.
On that technicality. Technicality, correct.
Agreed. However, however, Chris Broussard went at Kevinvin durant earlier this week and kind of like was poking him and saying uh that this season is like what do we say it's a disaster it's the worst possible situation for kevin durant right and kevin was like well not though i can think of worse situations yes point kevin point kevin but i'm sorry like i know you're in the brew crew and you want to get i'm in.
I'm in the brew crew and I'm also probably a baby back bitch crew guy too. So my heart is torn.
I mean, Kevin Durant is a- You're in the baby back bitch crew? Well, I mean, he is a baby back bitch and I kind of like- Here's what it comes down to. Never reply online because you'll always lose.
But if you do reply and you're going to be the reply guy,

you might as well just go full reply all the time like Kevin Durant.

There's no turning back the clock for Kevin Durant.

He can't be like, hey, guys, never win an argument online.

I'm done with this.

No, dude, you're not done with this.

Kevin Durant will be on his deathbed in 70 years fighting someone in his Instagram DMs. Does this count as texting since they're tweeting at each other? I think they're still texting.
Now we just all get to see it. Yes, correct.
That's pretty cool. A text is a tweet, a DM, an Instagram DM, an Instagram comment.
So I've texted with a lot of porn stars. Yeah.
That sick not to brag let me see your feet i'm starting to realize that damn i've done a lot of comments here and there you know uh all right let's do let's finish up with uh sabermetrics brian gumbel he's mad about sabermetrics pft yeah he's trying to kill sabermetrics here's the thing when brian gumbel starts to call people nerds it's time to reconsider your position yes like brian gumbel if he's on that train yeah i think i'm anti-sabermetrics so he said uh uh talking about the game of baseball how how numbers have always been so important but how ironic then that the same obsession with numbers that once made the game a national pastime is now complicating its problems. Much of the blame can be traced to the modern preoccupation with the silly numbers produced by the analytical folks who value metrics that do little more than cloud a player's image.
These are quotes. It's a troubling mentality that somehow rewards a pitcher for winning only 10 games, but diminishes a hitter who bats 300.
So Brian Gumbel's mad that we he doesn't like he actually brian gumbel thinks that jacob de grom getting the cy young last year when he pitched one of the best seasons like in the last 25 years was a travesty because he only won 10 games because the mets were shitty yeah so he said it doesn't reward players for no 10 games well i think he's talking about the saiyan yeah but that he's not getting the reward for winning 10 games right he's getting the reward literally everything else incredible yeah the 10 literally everything yeah winning 10 games is the part where it sucked for him because he should have won 20 right yeah so i think i think he might be a little confused i think he's i think what brian gumbel what happens a lot of times in media where they like think they're making the right they're like somewhere near the right point but they put their old man's spin on it because there is an element of guys are now with like analytics and launch angle and all this bullshit guys are just basically home run strike out or walk and that does suck for baseball but that has nothing to do with hitting 300 or winning 10 games right if de grom was pitching in a way that like it was clear that he had less emphasis on winning the game right and doing something else besides trying to win the game then yes i would absolutely agree but here's the thing about baseball in particular every single generation just comes up with new numbers and new ways to look at the statistics. And they make all the previous generation be like, no, our numbers are better than yours.
But they did the exact same thing when they were coming up. Right.
Right. So like the next generation after us, they're going to have all sorts of weird shit that I'm not going to like.
Of course. I'm going to be like, no, my BAPIP, my war, my on base percentage.
Those are the real numbers. Yes.
And then they're going to call me an old man for thinking that. Just go back to RBIs.
Whoever has the most RBIs wins the World Series. In the game.
Yes. In the game.
Yeah, that's true. Actually, that is true.
Pretty close to true. No, literally.
Yeah, the team who has the most RBIs. So I'm not even counting runs anymore.
Yeah, RBIs are actually the most important stat when you actually look at it. Agreed.
Yeah. Hank, FAQs.
With special guest Charles. Yes.
Our sound guy. This was, he just met us this week, and he spent basically all week with us, right? Like every hour.
Yeah. Totally.
Where did you live close to here? Not at all. Okay, so you've been just traveling nonstop.
Very busy week for Charles. It's been awesome.
Also, if I called you Spencer at any moment this week, I apologize. That was our last sound guy's name.
I don't know why I thought that. I don't think I did.
I think I always I was looking out for Charles. You just called you Spencer behind your back.
No, I was like, yeah, we're Spencer. And everyone's like, what are you talking about? I meant Charles.
Alright, Charles. First question is, in one sentence, how would you describe PMT? In one sentence? Use many sentences.
Don't use one. Use your words.
Yeah. Part of my take is like a legit conversation about sports.
I mean, look, honestly, I don't know jack all about sports. Okay.
But I find myself listening to a lot more sports commentary than I should.

You know what I mean?

I listen to a lot of talk radio, which is generally sports.

Right.

And it's been awesome, guys.

It's been a lot of fun.

Okay.

I like that.

Charles, when you first met PFT, how high did you think he was?

Follow up, do the PMT boys actually achieve heavy?

Hard to tell because of the sunglasses.

I will say that much.

Not as high as me. Okay.
Oh, there you go, Charles. Fuck, dude.
Why haven't you been sharing it? Damn. No one asked.
Nobody asked. We don't smoke during show days, but we smoke after, but yeah.
Oh, okay. Damn.
Nobody told me that one. I know.
Fuck. I wish I'd known that before.
Did you get to see him? You shot my eyes this week, though, right?

Only very rarely.

Only tonight.

Yeah?

They're pretty nice eyes, right?

Don't.

Yeah.

Don't answer that question.

Don't answer that question.

If you had to drive that death trap of a van across the country, which one of the three PMT guys would you take with you and why?

Whoa.

Four.

Bubba, too. He counts.
Hmm. Bubba's probably a better driver.
No, he's actually the worst driver by far. Really? Oh, I was driving behind you for a while today and you were fucking...
That's what he was like. Wait, I was not reading 22.
I was not. Which one? When? Oh, yeah, that was when we had to get off the road so he could take a shit.
No, on the way here. Yeah, yeah.
You're not a good driver. Yeah, whatever.
That was great. Here we go.
Have we gotten into a car crash? That was a bad driver. Have we gotten into a car crash? Not yet.
Yeah, exactly. Not yet.
Yeah, well. One more.
Yeah. 12 more hours.
I mean, yeah. You guys can go rent the fucking van and drive two hours back and forth.
You would not let that happen. Well, go ahead and do it.
Oh, you don't have fucking car insurance. That's true.
You were like, I want to drive the van this week. He's like, bro, I had to put my car insurance up for this vintage piece of shit.
Sucked. Sup, Charles.
Objectively, how tall is PFT? That's a great question. It's not that great of a question.
5'8". Yes.
Did I nail it? Nailed it. No, 5'9".
Nailed it. That's so perfect.
I'm 5'9". Great fucking answer.
Everyone knows I'm 5'9". Yes.
Charles is going to get us in a fight. Yeah.
This went really well until we brought Charles. He's the problem.
All right, this is the last Charles question.

Sup, Charles.

Could you give a general description of the Grit Van's odor?

Ooh, totally in and out.

I mean, 100%.

There's no doubt.

Yeah, just spilled away burgers.

Hank has burgers under the cushions.

I don't know if you're going to get your deposit back.

Dude, every time I said to Hank, I was like, hey, can we clean it?

I would look back, and I'd just see an extra burger just kind of floating around. Stay strapped.
So I guess Charles helped us all get roasted there. Hank, do you have any others? No.
I mean, how did the idea of doing Grit Week first start? I think there might be newer people that might not know that. So what happened was back in 2016 when the show was But a Babe, we interviewed Mark Tit like our second or third guest he was pretty early on very early on and uh he told us at the end he was like you guys need to go to the indy 500 and i was like fuck yeah let's do it and everybody else was like yes like a road trip is in order and so we drove through the rust belt decided to call it grit week because we're traveling through the grittiest part of the country.
And it just kind of became an annual tradition.

Yeah.

So we did two years in the Midwest, one year in the South.

Now we went to L.A.

And probably, what do you think, south of France next year?

Yeah.

Make it really gritty.

Monte Carlo.

Monte Carlo, really gritty place.

Hawaii.

Do something like that.

Yeah, I mean, it's a good time.

Get out on the road.

We're going to do – last year we added the training camp tour. We're going to training camp tour this year in the midwest let's just get out there with the people see them at a ralph's didn't even know ralph's was the thing now you're vons or john's what is that it's like other supermarkets vons and john's those are two separate not vons and john's two separate two you can go to Vaughn's and then you go to John's.

I think Vaughn's close and then John's gets a deal

on the J's and they just throw the J up there.

What do you go to Vaughn's for?

Am I high or are you high?

No, they're two different grocery stores.

Vaughn's and John's.

What do you go to Vaughn's for?

But what's better at it?

Publix has awesome sandwiches.

Who's got more? Vaughn or John? Vaughn's. Okay.
Ralph's got the most? Same as John or Vaughn? I think they're all the same company. Okay.
I'm team John's though. I think I'm a Ralph guy, even though he kicked us out.
It's just a funny name for me. They're Narcs.
They should call it Narcs R Us. Ralph, wait, so I still think Vons and Johns

is the same because that's a good name. Like, go to

Vons and Johns and get everything.

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