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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we have two game sevens.

Speaker 1 We have steph curry going dracarious dracarius you don't like it when i make when i try to pronounce stuff i don't give a fuck we have steph curry going dracarious against the houston rockets in front of your girl danny we'll do game of thrones recap at the end

Speaker 1 we have rick fox

Speaker 1 in studio Very interesting interview with Rick Fox, who's back of the week, and a Monday reading a packed part of my take for you.

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Today is Monday, May 13th, and Kawhi Leonard is a motherfucking killer. Killer.
He is.

Speaker 1 He's a killer. And he showed emotion after the game, too, which was crazy.
He hit that shot. The quadruple doink.
The bounce, bounce, bounce, bounce. We're going to be able to do that.
Not so funny.

Speaker 1 We're going to remix to ignition of baskets. Listen, I'm not going to, yeah, it's a little problematic.
I'm not going to twist a knife here, but not so funny when you lose on a doink, huh, Philly? No.

Speaker 1 Nope, not so funny. Pay back.
Yeah, Kawhi Leonard is that dude. Unreal game.
Game seven. We have two game sevens to get to.
We're going to get to Game of Thrones at the end.

Speaker 1 We have Rick Fox at PAC show, but we're going to start with the one that ended the last, and that was the Toronto Raptors finally beating the curse of LeBron because LeBron's in the West and taking down the Sixers.

Speaker 1 And Kawhi Leonard is unbelievable. It was great.
It was an awesome ending to, I think, the least entertaining overall series because it just went back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.

Speaker 1 This is the first, like, really, really close game. And the end was just incredible because he hit that front rim and he hit the outside of the front rim.
Shooters bounce.

Speaker 1 And it somehow carried the momentum. Like, the ball curved in mid-air.
I'm going to go back and do a Zapruder analysis of this because there had to be a second shooter.

Speaker 1 The way that this ball just managed to defy the laws of physics to eventually land. That's the shot that your dad hits in horse, and he's like, shooters bounce.

Speaker 1 You're like, yeah, that's fucking bullshit. Yeah, you know what? That's not a real thing.
You just have old, weak muscles, Nobody's weak. You just got to get it high, the high arc.

Speaker 1 You just got to get the high arc and hope that the rims are nice to you. So, Kawhi Leonard, unreal game.

Speaker 1 The big question, though, well, there's a bunch of questions coming from this game because that was actually the coolest moment is the ball's in the air and like maybe four or five people's destiny is just hanging in the balance because Jimmy Butler, James Butler,

Speaker 1 Jimmy showed up tonight. Well, he had that big layup at the end to tie the game so that Kawhi could rip their hearts out.
Tobias Harris, free agent. Brett Brown, maybe

Speaker 1 the worst possessions I've ever seen the team run down the stretch. Philly, I think they had three shot clock violations in the last two and a half minutes.
That's tough when you're the coach.

Speaker 1 That is really tough to do, and it's really tough to not be able to draw up one single play. Kawhi, will he be like, ooh, that was awesome.
I want to stay in Toronto longer.

Speaker 1 Well, how does that work with Canadian dollars? Are they worth more? I know on the back of books I used to buy in elementary school, it always looked like the books were worth worth more in Canada.

Speaker 1 Right. Because the

Speaker 1 loony? The loon is strong.

Speaker 1 But all these questions now arise because of one, you know, ridiculous bounce off of a rim. And the Raptors now go to the Eastern Conference final and feel like, hey, this is a good seat.

Speaker 1 The Kawhi trade was worth it regardless because we've gotten a little bit further. And guess what? For the first time ever, all those Canadians standing in that plaza didn't cry on a live stream.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was good to see that.

Speaker 1 The launchers were out, the posters were out. How big of an asshole do do you have to be to carry a poster to an event where you're all standing outside looking at a giant screen? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And just be holding it up so you're blocking the entire view of the person behind it. It's very weird.
But I'm happy for Canada.

Speaker 1 It's this time of year that they usually are just heartbreaking, like drowning in their tears and maple syrup because the leafs are out, the flames are out. The leafs are usually out like way before.

Speaker 1 All their hockey teams are out, and the Raptors have usually just lost at this point. So LeBron.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a foreign territory for them to have things to look forward to, and I'm very glad that they do. Okay, so another big question we have.

Speaker 1 So we have the destiny of those people, the free agents, the coach for the Sixers, the process, Kawhi staying in Toronto.

Speaker 1 The other big question coming out of that game, Embiid sobbing, sobbing, fair or foul. I loved it.
Yeah. Because Embiid is that guy.
Like, it would be weird if Ben Simmons sobbed.

Speaker 1 It would be weird if Jimmy Butler sobbed. But Embiid feels like the guy who wears his heart on his sleeve.
He talks shit.

Speaker 1 When they lose, it's heartbreaking. Like, I actually appreciate when someone talks a lot of shit and is a very emotional guy.
And then when they lose, he feels that emotion, not like, oh, whatever.

Speaker 1 I'm just going to go back to tweeting funny things. He was heartbroken.
He was a little bit... So the crying on the court, I was all in for.

Speaker 1 The cameras catching him in the hallway. I don't know if you saw this.
His girlfriend wiping tears off his eyes, that felt like a little intrusive.

Speaker 1 Let him have his moment. How tall is his girlfriend? She's got to be very, very tall to reach his eyes.
Yes. Well, he was kind of laying down.

Speaker 1 He's got his crying ladder that they bring out whenever he needs to be taken care of. Yeah, it felt a little intrusive by the cameraman.

Speaker 1 It is a little bit, but I mean, every other part of Joel has been hurt this series, so now his feelings are too. Yes.

Speaker 1 But it's good to see, like, I do like athletes showing emotion in games like Taylor. Totally.
It's good to know that they care, you know, as much as some of the fans do sometimes.

Speaker 1 That's like, it makes him so much easier to root for if you're a Philly guy to see the fact that he, too, experiences like real pain at this. And it was already his team.
And he's just a likable guy.

Speaker 1 Right, it was already his team. Did he ever ever fuck Rihanna? No, I don't think so.
All right. No, something to work on in the offseason.

Speaker 1 It was always his team, but now it's even more so because of what you just said. The emotion that he shows.

Speaker 1 Philly is one of those ride or die cities where they want their players to care as much as they do. And Joel Embiid cares probably more because he probably cried more than most fans after that game.

Speaker 1 So it was, I'm all in on Joel Embiid showing emotion specifically because he is that type of guy. I have a question for you.

Speaker 1 I am always a little bit hesitant to really go full in on the city of Philadelphia. I love Philly.

Speaker 1 I think that they have some of the best, most passionate sports fans. They have some fun teams, too, and some fun personalities.

Speaker 1 I'm just kind of glad that this is like a reality check for Philly, where it's like going, when they got Jimmy Butler, they're like, we're going to fucking win every championship.

Speaker 1 And they got Bryce, and they're like, we're going to win every championship in every single sport possible. And it's like, okay.
Maybe, maybe next year.

Speaker 1 But my question for you is with this Sixers team, they're very, very good. They're young.
Do you make like solid moves in the offseason?

Speaker 1 Or is this a case where you just let the core of the team get older? No, well,

Speaker 1 if you're the Sixers, you have to basically say we have to do everything to build around Joel Ellen Bi, and that includes not playing him like during the regular season.

Speaker 1 He needs to go on LeBron minutes, he needs to go management, he needs to go big-time load management, maybe take a couple weeks off in the middle of December.

Speaker 1 He needs to do all that stuff because it's clear that he is their team, and as he goes, they go.

Speaker 1 But it is true, like the Sixers are kind of in a spot where it's like, I think you can probably re-sign Jimmy Butler and Tobias Harris and be like, Let's just run this back. I think you do.

Speaker 1 I don't think Brett Brown is the guy because, like I said, three shot clock violations. I think one of them might have been a block on Jimmy Butler.

Speaker 1 But it also just looks like an old alcoholic cop, like at the end of his career. He's also one of the guys from The Wire that accidentally fires his gun and stuff.

Speaker 1 There's also like a long history of sports coaches who have to coach the young team and then pass it off to an old head to bring them to the promised land.

Speaker 1 So I feel like that's kind of what the situation here is. He did a good job with the young team bringing them along.

Speaker 1 But when you lose like they did last year and then lose this year, I feel like you have to change at least something. Otherwise, you're just running it back again.

Speaker 1 And it feels like it might just be the exact same thing. Just maybe, you know, maybe one round more.
But the goal is to win a championship. That's the process.

Speaker 1 I think it's just like it's a houseplant that you're taking very good care of.

Speaker 1 And you're like, one day this will bloom and this will get better I think they've got clearly enough talent to make it out of the east like it just doesn't really

Speaker 1 I could see the Sixers giving the Bucs a run for their money if they had won this but now it's going to be really interesting to see how Toronto shows up against my Bucs they also have one of those classic situations where

Speaker 1 you know you get all this talent but then you look at the if you look at the game seven guys played they had no bench they had no bench same with actually the rafters seven guys played i love when whenever we over hype a bench during the regular season it's like when it gets to the crunch time, you're probably just going to play seven guys.

Speaker 1 And maybe there's a couple teams that have eight guys, maybe a ninth guy who can throw in, but like for the most part, you're shortening it to seven guys, and you just better hope those seven guys can all fit and everything works together.

Speaker 1 And the Sixers feel like a ton of talent, and everything's just a little tiny bit off. But either way,

Speaker 1 I want to just share one of Magic's tweets. He showed a lot of emotion, guys.
A lot of emotion. You ready for this? Kawhi Leonard, wow, wow, wow.
Holy shit. Four bounce control goes in.

Speaker 1 What a shot to win the game for the Raptors.

Speaker 1 But then he went back straight. He tweeted that and then went right back to old magic.
So it was like a moment where he blacked out.

Speaker 1 He went right back to Kawhi Leonard, played like a superstar, scoring 41 points in a game seven victory over the Sixers. Yep, exactly.

Speaker 1 It goes back to just reporting the box. That was close.
That was close.

Speaker 1 He's like if Kawhi Leonard was retired. Yes.
Oh, that was really close. All right.
So the other game seven: Blazers, Nugs. Our guy, C.J.
McCollum, with the Hezzy hay, shoving it down.

Speaker 1 That's actually too graphic. Shoving it in Jennifer's face.
I'm trying Jennifer tweet from last year when she said, just win a playoff series. He had, how many points did he end up having? 33.
37.

Speaker 1 Yeah, 37. All the nerds went on blast, even though it didn't really make sense because he was shooting like high-quality shots, but he did it with like basically a mid-range game.
Yeah. And it was.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, now we have people battling the nerds, being like, see, the mid-range jump shot is still alive. Right.

Speaker 1 And then the nerds are like, wait, but actually, that's not what analytics say.

Speaker 1 They say if you're a good mid-range jump shot shooter, and it's the end of the game when everyone gets shitty, you should keep taking those.

Speaker 1 And also, the best shot in the game is always an open shot, no matter where it is. Yes.

Speaker 1 It seems like nerds are maybe a little triggered. Are nerds becoming the new jocks?

Speaker 1 You know what? The nerds are trying to stuff jocks into lockers these days. They're doing a little well actually.

Speaker 1 It turns out in analytics going one-on-one with a guy and hitting a step back 14 footers doing a little place in this game. The old Michael Jordan did a push-off.
That wasn't a push-off.

Speaker 1 Did they call it? The nerds, though, have been put on their heels a little bit.

Speaker 1 They're like updating their stat sheets, their spreadsheets, saying, well, actually, that was actually a great shot. And blah, blah, blah.
I don't care. CJ McCollum was awesome.

Speaker 1 He basically carried their team because it was very weird. Damian Lillard looked...

Speaker 1 He caught the James Harden flow. He looked like he was out of gas and basically like,

Speaker 1 I can't do it in this moment. Yeah, I'll say this about Damian Lillard.
He's got a winner's chin.

Speaker 1 Have you ever seen that thing?

Speaker 1 If I'm doing the old school just like facial recognition, like this guy's a winner, this guy's not, Damian Leonard's got a, he's got a winner's face. He's got, you know what he's got?

Speaker 1 He's got a video game face. Like you pick face number six, all-time video game face, Ben Gordon.
Number one video game face in the world.

Speaker 1 Like he, his, his face looked like it was from a video game because the very sharp shape.

Speaker 1 No, the angles were kind of sharp.

Speaker 1 Oh, you're trying to fuck him no his his high cheekbones yeah his cheeks strong jaw you'd just be like masculine eyebrows scrolling over you'd be like oh okay i'll take face number 11 just happens to be ben gordon's face but this was a huge come-up for podcasters having cj do that like we're we're now very cool because you know one of our brethren has shown that he has the clutch gene and he dropped i

Speaker 1 Enos Cantor went right to Twitter and then CJ McCollum went right to Twitter. He gave the old defense my ass

Speaker 1 to the defense at the end of the game. This is the new millennials ruin everything.
Back in my day, they would just go to the locker room and fuck some chicks in the sauna like magic.

Speaker 1 Wait, no, CJ said defense my ass. Yeah, I know.
I'm saying nowadays, the kids, they win a game and they go right to Twitter to shit talk. Yeah, like Baker Mayfield.
Text your family.

Speaker 1 No, you should be actually texting reporters. I love that stuff.
You get to hear from them right away. Yeah.
It's way better.

Speaker 1 Shout out to Enos Cantor, though, for winning this. He played, I think, the entire series while he was fasting for Ramadan.
Hank learned a lesson today.

Speaker 1 He was like, wait, wait, Enos Canter doesn't drink water during games? He only did it today because all the other games were at night. No,

Speaker 1 some of them were. Well, but he was still fasting.
But at night, you don't have to. But he was still fasting the day of the games.
But this was like the real one. It was a unique set of challenges.

Speaker 1 This one he couldn't drink while he was playing in the game. But yeah, he wasn't drinking at all.
He got in touch with Hakeem Elijah. I saw that earlier this week to ask him for tips.

Speaker 3 My ignorance was that I didn't realize that fasting

Speaker 1 couldn't drink water.

Speaker 1 Well, it's not your fault because like, if you are PFT, if you're our age, you remember Hakeem Elijah doing it in the 90s, and it was always so crazy because it was like that was the big story.

Speaker 1 He'd be playing in the playoffs and just not eating, not drinking. Yeah.

Speaker 3 No, I think it's one thing. Like, they said he woke up early, 3 o'clock, made sure he got all the proteins and nutrients.

Speaker 3 That made sense, but when it's like, he doesn't drink water throughout the course of a test.

Speaker 1 He said his mind was sharper. Yeah.
Ooh, I'm going to stop drinking water. Odell Beckham doesn't drink water either.
Yeah, that's true. He hates it.

Speaker 1 He hates water so much he gets on a boat to avoid being in it. Yeah, exactly.
So we have Seth Curry versus Steph Curry. Yes.
The Western Conference Finals.

Speaker 1 Who are they rooting for? Who are the parents going to cheer on?

Speaker 1 They're going to do the split jersey? I don't think one of them should root for the other one. That's the one child.
One should root for the other.

Speaker 1 They've got to root for Seth because, one, he's not going to win. So you can be like, oh, we're rooting for you.
And two, he's not going to throw his mouthpiece at you if you cheer against him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and everyone talks about Steph, and no one talks about Seth.

Speaker 1 Also sucks that his name's Seth. Like, it would be cooler if his name was something that didn't, like, doing the SS and you're the lesser of the S's.
Careful with the SS. Oh, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 But there it is, you're back. You're back.

Speaker 1 That's always tough. But so we have Seth Curry versus Steph Curry, and the Rockets are officially dogs.
D-E-D, dead for the Rockets.

Speaker 1 How about that ultimate Vince Young game from Steph Curry where he just chilled out in the first half and went the fuck off? Went the fuck off. In the second.

Speaker 1 How many points did he have in the fourth? 30?

Speaker 1 He had 23 in the fourth, 33 for the game, zero at halftime. Unreal.
And Clay was also unreal. But it was fun watching the Warriors be underdogs like that and have everyone doubt them.

Speaker 1 And then it felt like 2015 all over again. Remember when people actually rooted for the Warriors in 2015? I'm old enough to remember.
Literally, everyone was rooting for the Warriors in 2015.

Speaker 1 And this felt like a throwback to the Warriors in 2015. And the Rockets are yet again stuck.
They are now in that

Speaker 1 Buffalo Bills, Utah Jazz, like

Speaker 1 name a team that the Patriots have stopped, like the San Diego Chargers, all these teams that basically get laid waste to dynasties, and you'll just never, like, you'll never think of them the same way, even though they lost to unbelievable teams.

Speaker 1 Well, so the thing is, after the first two or three times that it happens, you can be like, oh, they're unlucky. You know, like, they're good enough to get there.
Right.

Speaker 1 They were in it until the last second. And then the takes, the narrative starts, which is they're losers and they can't close it out.
And then facts.

Speaker 1 And then it's well, listen, at some point, once the narrative gets going, it starts to seep into your head if you're a player on that team and you're like, yeah, we really are losers, and you can't get it done when it counts.

Speaker 1 And then it gets worse and worse and worse. Right now, they're caught in a take spiral, and you can't escape a take spiral.
You're sucked in.

Speaker 1 You're basically just circling the drain right now into a vortex. Yeah, a vortex that goes like directly into Skip Bayless's butthole.
And that's where you're at.

Speaker 1 That comes right out of his mouth every morning, seven to nine. First take.

Speaker 1 First things things first.

Speaker 1 I cannot wait to get in the studio

Speaker 1 on

Speaker 1 with Shannon Sharp. I can't wait to tell Shannon Sharp what's coming through my butthole.

Speaker 1 I told him I told him the saddest thing I saw on Twitter, Daryl Maury, consummate professional, take this hockey,

Speaker 1 congratulates the Warriors after every time they lose to him, which is very sad when you actually go back. So

Speaker 1 May 28th, 2015, congratulations, Warriors. Great, great team.
Thank you to Rockets fans. You carried us all year.
Back at it. Pursuit 2016.

Speaker 1 Then it started to get a lot shorter because it just kept on happening.

Speaker 1 Sorry, April 28th, 2016. Congratulations to the Warriors.
Great team.

Speaker 1 May 28th, 2018. Congratulations, Warriors.
And then yesterday, or today, you come at the king, you best not miss. Congratulations, Warriors.
He should just make that into a thread.

Speaker 1 It's so sad to look at. Just every year like clockwork.
Oh, time for Daryl Mori to send out his Congratulations Warriors tweet. I love it.

Speaker 1 It's like one of those guys that, who's the guy that broke down the Mueller report in a 500

Speaker 1 thread?

Speaker 1 That's what it's going to be like for this guy. Seth Abramson.
Daryl Murray is going to be like the Seth Abramson of NBA Twitter, where it's just eventually 20 tweets thanking the Golden State

Speaker 1 for beating them in the playoffs again. You're the best.
Let me ask you a question. Yes.

Speaker 1 Do you think that Kevin Durant is a little bit upset about how good Steph Curry played in the second half of that game? I don't think so. You You don't think there's a small part of him?

Speaker 1 Oh, there's plenty of that small part of him. So I'll put it this way.
If he's out for the rest of the playoffs and the Warriors win without him,

Speaker 1 he would be pissed off. Oh, yes, that for sure.

Speaker 1 The fact that they won this game by putting the entire team on Steph Curry's back, there's got to be a small part of him that's like, when I come back, is this still my home or have I been cooked out of my own bed?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 it's the same part of Steph Curry that was kind of feeling that way when Kevin Durant was owning every single game and won back-to-back NBA Finals MVPs.

Speaker 1 So I think it's like, this is the classic Warriors versus Warriors. Steph reclaims his team after a run that was a historic run from Kevin Durant in terms of numbers-wise.

Speaker 1 And now we have this weird thing where is he going to come back? I think he'll probably miss the first couple games because they're probably like, we're going to beat the Blazers no matter what.

Speaker 1 Which, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I know. I don't know.
I know.

Speaker 1 Podcasters versus people that go on people's fucking podcasts. It's probably going to be an epic showdown.
I'm going to say the Warriors in five. Warriors in five.

Speaker 1 I'm going to get the Blazers too. We're a big Portland podcast.
We love the city. I do have one question.

Speaker 3 Unless the Rams back in the Warriors versus Warriors.

Speaker 1 That was the only thing that's going to be. By the way, did you see Draymond, Chris Paul, all-time petty league backfire?

Speaker 1 He blocked Steph Curry from using the court on Thursday night for a shoot around.

Speaker 1 And so essentially the story goes, Steph Curry reserved the court from seven to eight. You can do that? Yeah, you can do that.
You have to do that. You like schedule it online?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you have to schedule it. Chris Paul caught wind and was like, fuck that.
I'm working out. Steph Curry was like, hey, how about we just go Havzies here? You just need one basket.

Speaker 1 And he said, fuck no. He takes the whole thing.
And then as they beat the Rockets, they're coming off the court. And Draymond's like, what did he even say? He's like,

Speaker 3 Steph said, he said to Draymond, he's like, kick me off the court again.

Speaker 1 Kick me off the court. Yeah, yeah.
Kick me off the court again. Kick me off the court again.
So petty war has gone wrong. Verbal meme, Kevin Durant watching the fourth quarter of that game.

Speaker 1 Arthur Fist. Ooh, shaking.
Yeah. Just going crazy.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I do like that they posted a picture of him celebrating at the end of the game. That to me is like

Speaker 1 you're trying a little too hard.

Speaker 1 Verbal meme, Kevin Durant watching the fourth quarter of the game, and it's the mask,

Speaker 1 the mask in front of him. The troll mask.

Speaker 1 He's crying underneath.

Speaker 1 I like that. Verbal meme.

Speaker 1 A guy walking down the street, looking over the shoulder at another girl while his girlfriend's really mad at him and it's the guy is warriors fans fans yep and then the girl is steph curry and then the other girl is kevin durant and it's soggy sorrows she's like oh are you kidding and and that guy the kevin durant has the arthur fist photoshopped over one of the girls fists in the face and he's crying underneath it yeah there you go that is someone draw that for you that is that exact thing as a quality fucking meme that's we killed it we killed that meme yes we killed that meme uh so wait i make I had a question for you.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah? You ready for this? Yeah.
But then I have a very important point. Okay.

Speaker 1 Mellow curse. Ooh.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Mellow curse. Who lost on Sunday? The Denver Nuggets? The Knicks.
The Denver Nuggets. They traded away Carmel Anthony.
The Knicks have never won a championship since they traded away Carmel Anthony.

Speaker 1 Fact. The Thunder haven't gotten out of the first round since they got rid of Carmel Anthony.
The Rockets, they lose. They got rid of Carmelo Anthony.

Speaker 1 USA basketball doesn't win a gold medal. USA basketball hasn't won a gold medal in two years.
Yes.

Speaker 1 If USA basketball doesn't win the next gold, I'm officially saying Mello is the best cursor of all time. Could you imagine if this was the hoodie curse? Think about it.
Yes, I like that.

Speaker 1 Syracuse hasn't won a championship since Mello got traded.

Speaker 1 Boom. Done.
Wait, when does the Mellow curse begin? Whenever.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Whenever he leaves your team. It's floating.
It's very floating. Whenever he leaves your team.
Right.

Speaker 1 Or whenever, yeah, or the history. Yeah, whenever he leaves your team,

Speaker 1 it really just is when Big Cat says it starts at individual teams. Because the Knicks, it's been going on for a long time.
He precursed them.

Speaker 1 They had eyes on Mellow for a long time, and he cursed them. Yeah, which is more potent than a normal person.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So the Mellow curse is a real thing. Yes.
Tell everyone. All right, can I get back to my very important point? Yeah.
The Blazers logo looks kind of like a butthole. Okay, I'm looking at it.
Hold on.

Speaker 1 All right, yeah, look it up.

Speaker 1 Like kind of an infected, like bleeding pussy butthole. That's gross, dude.
I'm just saying. Yeah, I mean, it's gross.
But I'm right.

Speaker 1 Why is the Trailblazers logo a hurricane? I don't know what's the middle for hurricane. Well, let's see.
Trailblazers logo. Let's learn.
By the way, while we probably

Speaker 1 have Trailblazers logo, PFT, you want to tell everyone about the gold that we have coming up? Yeah, I do. So we've had some awesome gold episodes.

Speaker 1 This last week, we put out one where me and Biquette interviewed a Dominatrix, Goddess of Viva. So you can go subscribe and get that.
It's barstoolgold.com/slash PMT.

Speaker 1 And then who do we have next month? We do one bonus episode a month. And next month,

Speaker 1 is it a Groundskeeper?

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah, we're going to have a baseball Groundskeeper and get to the bottom of what the fuck goes on under that tarp.
Okay, so here's what it is. What does the Portland Trailblazers logo mean?

Speaker 1 Harry Glickman. What the fuck? It means Harry Glickman? Yeah.
That's his name. That sounds like a nickname for a butthole right there.

Speaker 1 Hey, check out my Harry Glickman. Pinwheel with black on the top and red on the bottom.
Its meaning is simple. A modern graphic interpretation of the game of basketball.

Speaker 1 Five players from one side playing. Oh, playing against five players from another.
So there's, you can see it up there. There's five little pinwheels versus five little pinwheels.
That's kind of cool.

Speaker 1 That is, it does look like a hurricane symbol. Yeah.
So take one side

Speaker 1 from lowercase typography to a bold uppercase, adding a dimension.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 45 degrees, you're going to have the motion of the game. Wow.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's pretty impressive. Where you go, Portland? That sounds Shout out Portland.
Yeah. It sounds like something Bill Walton came up with.

Speaker 1 We should have Rasheed Wallace standing, maybe lights up blunt

Speaker 1 at the center court before game three. The logo should just be Rasheed Wallace and Damon Stademeyer hitting a gravity bomb.
And Ruben Patterson.

Speaker 1 Shout out Ruben Patterson, Kobe Stopper, the original Kobe Stopper. Okay, let's get to who's back of the week.
Hank, why don't you start? Go ahead.

Speaker 3 Sure, I got a few. My first one is Snapchat.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 3 So Snapchat released a new filter, filter, which can

Speaker 3 turn guys into girls and girls into guys. It's got people going crazy.

Speaker 1 Like the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's pretty. Have you guys tried it?

Speaker 1 No, can you do it to me real quick? Sure, I can pull it up. What about the baby Snapchat?

Speaker 1 If it takes a picture of me, it's going to probably just make me look like a guy because it's going to think I'm a chick. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That'll be wild. Like that waitress.

Speaker 1 What would PFT look like if he was a dude?

Speaker 1 For all the new listeners out there, there was a time we went to a Brazilian steakhouse in Las Vegas, and the waitress came up to us and tapped PFT on the shoulder and said, ma'am, would you like any more bread?

Speaker 1 And we just fucking lost it from behind. Do you look like a chick from behind? It was, PFT was not happy.
I'm pretty good looking.

Speaker 1 Oh, you know who I look like? Let me see. I look like a brunette version of this terrible radio.

Speaker 1 There we go.

Speaker 1 Ooh. I look kind of hot.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I look like a cat lady, though. My hair's all over the place.
Right here. I got a lot of split ends.
Lady cat. Yeah.
Lady cat. All right.

Speaker 1 right there you go so who so so snapchat's back is back yeah okay why

Speaker 1 people are talking about it that's all it takes what's so funny is for snapchat whenever they come back it they they're back for back and forth yeah they're back for like two days until instagram just copies their exact popular filter yes beats the shit out yeah yeah so others wait till it gets to the ground but for this weekend they're back uh my other who's back is the dracurse yeah it was confusing

Speaker 1 wait hang on so snapchat was invented basically to send pictures of your dick to people right so what it what happens when you point that filter at your dick? Does it try to find out?

Speaker 1 Does it turn into a clam?

Speaker 3 I mean, the catfishing, people are going to get cash for so hard. It's like, I almost feel bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 Like, I've seen pictures of girls that have fake boobs and they have

Speaker 1 fake boobs and they have a dude's ass.

Speaker 3 It just looks exactly like a dude.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 You could be careful. I already have the tits, so.
Be careful.

Speaker 3 My who's back of the week is a Dre Curse, as I said. Why?

Speaker 3 He wore 76ers shorts watching game seven.

Speaker 3 that's such an awesome move so like on his instagram story after they won he like panned down was he not at the game no i don't know why but he like did an instagram story of his tv and i don't even know if he did it on purpose but he panned down and you could see the 76ers he's actually self-aware now you know what no it's genius it's an emotional hedge drake dodging if they if they lose yeah then the drake curse is fake True.

Speaker 3 And if they win, then the Raptors win, which is I'm sure what he wanted no matter what.

Speaker 1 He dodged a bullet because Kawhi hit that shot right in front of like right by his seats.

Speaker 1 And I was looking for Drake because you know that he would have just made the moment about himself and been like the first person to hug Kawhi, and everyone would have been so annoyed about it.

Speaker 1 So, Drake, you actually were lucky because I would have been pissed. Is that it just the two? Yeah, okay, for two of them for who's back.
Two of them, for whose back of the week. Just those two?

Speaker 1 My who's back is recurring part of my take-guest team. Dennis Rodman.

Speaker 1 So, what did he do? Dennis Rodman got arrested for stealing a gigantic 400-pound crystal from a yoga studio.

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't actually blame him for that. Probably tried to smoke it.
Right, and also, it could be a healing crystal.

Speaker 1 Also, there's a certain, like, 400 pounds, if you're going to attempt it, I think that's okay. Well, so he attempted it.
It's almost like, hey, get rid of this junk for me.

Speaker 1 He attempted it, and he walked it, like, two steps because he had a buddy helping him carry it, and then it dropped and shattered into a million pieces like the Night King.

Speaker 1 But then he probably got to steal some of that crystal. Probably.
You could probably feel his pockets too. Right, right, exactly.
Okay, anyone else?

Speaker 1 Or anything else? Yes, I do have another Who's Back of the Week. It's U.S.
women's soccer

Speaker 1 is back.

Speaker 1 So they just pounded the shit out of South Africa on the road to France. Nice.
We're 26 days away from the World Cup. And we have a

Speaker 1 World Cup that we can win. Yeah.
We have a guest coming. From the team.
The one thing that the team needs is a description for their play, like how Arkansas basketball had 40 minutes of hell. Yeah, or

Speaker 1 Spain plays Tiki-Tacky. Tikitaka.
Tiki-tacky. I say it's 90 minutes of fuck you.
Ooh. For the U.S.
Women's women's now. 90 minutes of skull fucking.
90 minutes of skull fucking your

Speaker 1 U. Corpse.
Women. From the U.S.
women. But they're actually fun to watch.
Yeah, it's a good interview that we've got coming up.

Speaker 1 But I actually like watching women's soccer better than men's soccer because we actually win in women's soccer. Did you see, since we're talking about soccer right now, did you see

Speaker 1 the end of the EPL season was on Sunday, and Manchester City won back-to-back titles.

Speaker 1 And the best part about the team that wins the title in the EPL, they basically just stand on the field for like an hour and sing every like

Speaker 1 Beatles Oasis song ever. That's pretty cool.
They were just standing there singing. I heard Hey Jude.
They were singing Wonder Wall. It's all they did Queen.
We are the champions.

Speaker 1 They basically just sing every great British rock band and stand there for the whole time.

Speaker 1 There's no playoffs? No, there's no playoffs. Do they sing? That's a fucked-up system of

Speaker 1 crowning a champion. It's weird.
And I'm a rugby fan. Yeah, I mean, yeah,

Speaker 1 I think playoffs are... Problem is, the argument is like the best team always wins.
Because it's season long.

Speaker 1 But you don't know who's clutch. No, I know.
I agree. It's impossible to know who's closing.

Speaker 1 I agree. I mean, I love playoffs.
I think playoffs should be in every sport.

Speaker 1 Speaking of clutch, good segue to my who's back, the clutch gene is back, or lack thereof, because statistically speaking, James Harden was ranked last out of 32 players this playoffs for net rating in clutch time.

Speaker 1 Doesn't sound good. And so that's average of at least three minutes clutch time and playing in at least three playoff games.
That's how they decided it. He was dead last.

Speaker 1 He also, every single one of his numbers from the regular season goes down in the playoffs, basically for the last like five playoffs.

Speaker 1 Does it wait, does it negatively affect your score if you just don't shoot in the fourth quarter?

Speaker 1 Probably because

Speaker 1 of how good he is in the regular. I don't know how they actually base it, but

Speaker 1 he's so good in the regular season. That might explain what he was doing during the Kevin Durant injury game.
He just didn't shoot. He was trying to not hurt his clutch rating.

Speaker 1 But here's the good news, PFT.

Speaker 1 We finally have someone back to talk about the clutch gene because it feels like it's been a little bit of an absence. We had obviously like Peyton

Speaker 1 was huge. A rod.
LeBron was huge before he won his titles. Now we finally have a guy who we can say lacks the clutch gene.
Definitively. He and Chris Paul.
No clutch gene between the two of them.

Speaker 1 Who would you say in the NFL right now is the big clutch gene guy? Would it be Phillip Rivers? I was going to say Phillip Rivers, Matt Ryan.

Speaker 1 Aaron Rodgers, if you want to count the fact that he hasn't won a title, he's supposedly the best quarterback. Many people are are saying Aaron Rodgers.
Whatever, I'm saying that.

Speaker 1 You think MJ would have let somebody buy his girlfriend a beer in front of him? Probably not. By the way,

Speaker 1 that's the correct way to interact with Big Cat and I if we're out at a sporting event. Just buy a beer.
Just buy me a beer and then have Big Cat look over

Speaker 1 and just be like, why are you doing this? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, we have to record a podcast. Yeah, and I'll be like, well, I'll drink yours then, too.
Yeah. By the way, I forgot to do it, but I'll do it for my other who's back.

Speaker 1 Big Mad, Big Sad. We did a Big Mad, Big Sad for Rockets fans.
I have a couple for the Rockets fans out there after James Harden, who lacks the clutch gene, did it again.

Speaker 1 So this one's from Steve McGee. I feel like Steph Curry is a type to wear his towel over his nips when he gets out of the shower, yet he just buried our team.
That's actually a great call.

Speaker 1 That is good. He definitely do people do that?

Speaker 1 Steph Curry does. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Mace wrote, the series is still 2-2 with KD out. Run it back when he's healthy, and we'll try again.

Speaker 1 Fair. That's a good point.
Fair.

Speaker 1 Actually, if you want to get technical with it, the Warriors won two games. The Rockets won three, and then the Warriors won two other Warriors.
So you guys beat them three, two to two.

Speaker 1 Actually, no, it was tied two to two. Yeah, this is actually really sad when Rockets fans are now looking to Bills fans.
So this one guy said, I don't know what to do at this point.

Speaker 1 Every year, same story. And the last two hurts so, so bad.
I need counseling from Bills fans. And a Bills fan jumped in.
He said, here's what you do. One, try alcohol.

Speaker 1 Two, break a table with your body. Three, draft Josh Allen and accept him as your Lord and Savior.
Yeah. That's pretty good.
Very good advice. Here's another suggestion.

Speaker 1 Just start commenting on other teams' message boards that are still in it by introducing yourself and saying, hey, Rockets fan here, coming in peace. As a Rockets fan,

Speaker 1 this one's just really sad. In the fall of 2005, I chose to go to Wake Forest because of the Sports Center special about CP3 scoring 61 for his grandfather.
I remember that with me. It was awesome.

Speaker 1 Where he missed the last show on purpose? Yeah. He left, and we never made a Final Four.
Year after year, I bet on the Clippers. Last year, I bet 4K on the Rockets to win the Golden State Series.

Speaker 1 I'm done with them. Yeah, you should have been done with them a while ago.
And then this last one is really sad.

Speaker 1 Imagine your dog running away, except it returns home a year later, only to get hit by your car as you're backing out. That's the Rockets.
Big sad.

Speaker 1 So, Rockets failed. I don't want to imagine that at all.
No, it's a tough, but that's kind of what the Rockets are dealing with.

Speaker 1 It's actually more like having a shitty dog that you can't make run away. Like, you keep giving it every incentive.
Right. Like, throwing hot dogs across the

Speaker 1 road. And just like, no, I love you, and I'm going to continue to bite you and she on your baby.
Yeah, and shit on the floor. Yeah.
Sorry. Or your baby.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What's the dog biting the baby? No, it's just peeing on your baby. Oh, it's peeing on your baby.
Like, that's what a really bad dog would do.

Speaker 1 Listen, I wouldn't kick a dog out just because it had a couple accidents indoors. Seems really specific.
Well, I wanted to step it up from peeing on the carpet. I figured next one up was just

Speaker 1 urinating on your daughter.

Speaker 1 All right, so let's get to, like, yeah, it's a weird, that was a weird brain thing. So you just got to kick it up a notch sometimes.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You want people to understand that it's a bad dog. I think You can't just be like, oh, my dog sometimes eats its water too much or drinks its water too fast and spits up on the floor.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, that's a fine thing. Usually you just say shit on the carpet.
Shit on the carpet is fine. Now you've got cold showers on babies.
Yeah, that's a weird thing to go to.

Speaker 1 Throw that fucking dog out of your house, wouldn't you? That's a weird thing to go to. I would throw that fucking dog out of your house.

Speaker 1 No, I'd have a lot more questions than that just from like, oh, this dog is bad. It'd be like, what, like, how, first of all, how'd the baby get in a spot where the dog could pee on it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, wait a second. I don't have a baby.
Yeah. Why is there a dog? You laid your baby

Speaker 1 on the ground,

Speaker 1 and also your dog pees in the house, so that's the first problem.

Speaker 1 It might be a small dog, so it can climb up onto interesting angles and different parts of your furniture and establish the high ground. There's another problem on the baby.
Too small of a dog.

Speaker 1 And they can do that. Basically, I just invented Tube City and

Speaker 1 bad brain.

Speaker 1 You got a rotted brain. Bad brain.
You've got a rotted brain. Bad brain.
Stop. That's a bad brain.

Speaker 1 Stop, brain. I actually think you should be kicked out of the house for that brain, for that terrible brain.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very accomplished guest. I was reading your Wikipedia before this, and you are a three-time NBA champion.
You went to a Final Four. You're an actor.
You own an esports team.

Speaker 1 What do you not do, Rick Fox?

Speaker 1 I didn't know Wikipedia was actually real. Oh, yeah.
What they say on Wikipedia are true? Everything's true. Usually.
I have to believe everything I read on Wikipedia. Yes.
Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 1 Okay, some of that stuff is true. Okay.
Definitely won some championships. What else did they say? Final four.

Speaker 1 Went to the Final Four, lost. Who'd you guys lose to in that? Duke?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 we lost to Kansas. Kansas, okay.
1991. 1991.
Hoosier Dome. Damn.
That was a year. Duke beat UNLV.
UNLV, yes. You beat Kansas.
Okay. So that was the beginning of their back-to-back.
Yes.

Speaker 1 How much did you hate Christian Leitner? That's the first question.

Speaker 1 Because you were around that same time. Yeah, oh, no, no.
We had him on the show two weeks ago.

Speaker 1 I can think of running into Christian Leitner in an airport years later, and we were able to have a conversation.

Speaker 1 I don't know if we would have been able to get to that conversation a few years earlier than that,

Speaker 1 but we had a lot of Carolina Duke

Speaker 1 hatred towards each other.

Speaker 1 I don't know if we really knew why we hated each other, but the robbery was strong. You got the colors on your jersey.
Yeah, we're fighting over blue. Yes, exactly.
That's which blue is right.

Speaker 1 He's a pretty easy guy to hate. Like, everybody hates Christian Leitner.
They made that movie about him.

Speaker 1 I thought he leaned into

Speaker 1 his villain role. Absolutely.
He leaned into it. Absolutely.
Can I just say you are a very handsome man? Like, that reputation obviously precedes you, but you're too tall.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm a little bit too tall. Yeah, I think you're just the right height.
You're kind of like showing off right now. Especially in my second career.

Speaker 1 Good cop, bad cop. I think you're not that handsome, but you're just the right height.
Okay. Okay.
All right. So we'll just call it.
I'll take it. Combine.
You're good.

Speaker 1 All right. So you are here promoting your new show.
It's coming out. It's called Seven Days Out.

Speaker 1 Seven Days Out is on Netflix at the moment. Okay.
I don't know if

Speaker 1 do things ever go away? No, they don't.

Speaker 1 Once they're out there,

Speaker 1 hopefully it's good because it's going to be there forever. So I would say rush to see it, but I guess it's no need to rush.
It's out there. You have something else coming out, though.

Speaker 1 Morning Show Mysteries on Hallmark. I don't know if you've ever gotten into the Hallmark holiday season movies or have family members that have.
Yep. They now have a movies and mystery channel.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So I play a detective and similar to the Columbo-S stuff. You carry a gun? I do carry it down.
Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 What do they do for fake guns in Hollywood?

Speaker 1 They plug them. Yeah.
Yeah, they plug them. Oh, Oh, so it's a real gun? Yeah,

Speaker 1 you still check the clip and make sure there's no bullets,

Speaker 1 no bullets lying around.

Speaker 1 That's what happened with the crow, right? Yeah. They accidentally had one of them.
Bruce Lee.

Speaker 1 About movie guns and TV guns. Whenever they move them around, it always seems like on TV it makes those noises.
But guns don't just make noises on their own, right? They click, click, click.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's the foley.

Speaker 1 They go in after that and they put the ADR in and they make sure the sounds heighten the senses of viewing the whatever you're watching at that moment but they will go through every time

Speaker 1 we are about to use a gun in on us in a scene or while the cameras are rolling they literally the prop master holds the gun every second that you're not on camera so they come in they get it they get it from you smart they hold it make sure it's protected they do a whole safety you know

Speaker 1 talk before the day when you have guns on set and and then they show you every time the guy must do it 50 times in the course of the day shows you the clip is empty, loads it in, clears it,

Speaker 1 clicks it, you know, so you know nothing's going off, and then he hands it to you properly.

Speaker 1 Okay, so while we're on dumb questions about Hollywood, what about fake cigarettes?

Speaker 1 I've seen them. I've had

Speaker 1 actors. I've never had to smoke a character.
I've never given a character that. Okay, that's a dumb question.
No, no.

Speaker 1 They're out there. They usually now they have nicotine-free stuff that they do.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know why they don't just sell those because it's like whenever you see someone smoking on a show or a movie, you're like, that looks so cool, but it's not a real cigarette. Sell those.

Speaker 1 Right. We're in the era of all the vape, the vape stuff now, right? So everyone's vaping.
That's actually going to be like the next big thing, like a mafioso vaping.

Speaker 1 That would be when we made it. I don't know what.

Speaker 1 I saw The Rock on social media the other day outside of his house in Hawaii, and he was just talking to his fans, and he looked like he had a vape in his hand. He did, he did, didn't he? There we go.

Speaker 1 He blows the sickest clouds too. Oh, does he?

Speaker 1 We've made it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, so going back to, we want to talk a little about, we're going to actually do your whole career because, like I said at the top, fascinating career. Okay.

Speaker 1 I wanted to start with the fact that you went from,

Speaker 1 so you're born in Canada, moved to the Bahamas,

Speaker 1 played basketball in the Bahamas, then moved to Indiana.

Speaker 1 How similar are the Bahamas and Indiana? Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 1 Completely different. Okay.
I don't know if you've ever been to the Bahamas. Nope.
Yep. Neither have you.
Been to Indiana. Yeah, been to both places.
Okay. Nassau.
They got chilies in both states.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 You get the little dot on the map below Florida there on one of those islands. Somewhere down there.
About 200,000 people growing up for me.

Speaker 1 I left there and I went to the cornfields of Indiana and Warsaw, northern Indiana. So when you moved to Indiana, did you move with your family or did you move by yourself?

Speaker 1 My parents signed over guardianship to a family that was the math teacher head of the math department. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I stayed with that family during my high school years in Indiana and picked up. You said I played basketball in the Bahamas.

Speaker 1 My basketball career in the Bahamas looked like a

Speaker 1 grace college basketball team. NAI school came down, did a clinic.
They showed me they could see I could jump up and dunk the basketball. That was pretty much all I knew how to do.

Speaker 1 But they were like, hold on. We can work with this.

Speaker 1 We can work with this kid three years from now. Yeah, literally.
A little bit like air butt. Only thing I wasn't a dog.

Speaker 1 But it was like the air up there. I mean, I was kind of discovered in that capacity.

Speaker 1 and my mom was very keen on me getting a college education, and so she asked the coach, is there a chance that my son might be able to come to Warsaw and play for you someday and go to college at Grace College?

Speaker 1 And the coach took an interest and really actually was the bridge between me making it to Indiana. That's crazy.
So you get to Indiana.

Speaker 1 I have to assume there's some homesickness involved there, right? Yeah. Making that transition.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 I had a blueprint of Michael Thompson. You guys know who that is? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Voice of the Lakers. Yes.
Father Father to Clay Thompson. He grew up, he was from the Wahli.
Spelled with a Y. Spell with a Y.
Yep. Yeah, you're on top of it.
It's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 I idolized Michael Thompson. He lived a block away from me.
I used to drive my bike by his house.

Speaker 1 He was the first Bahamian to get drafted into the NBA, but he went to high school in Miami, and he went to college in Minnesota for the Gophers, and he got drafted to number one pick in the NBA in 1976, I think it was, to the Portland Trailblazers.

Speaker 1 So here it was, this iconic figure in my country. This is what he did to make his way.

Speaker 1 And I knew he was, you know, making a living and he was in the United States playing basketball because I saw him on TV and I got a chance to meet him. I was like, I want to be Michael Thompson.

Speaker 1 And so I did the same thing. I knew I had to get to high school in the States, which I ended up in Indiana.
Then I got in a short period of time, I got a scholarship in North Carolina.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so how'd that work? Did Dean Smith just show up to a practice one day? I was like, this guy is unbelievable. Yeah, no.
When I first got to

Speaker 1 Warsaw, the team had just won the state championship in Indiana basketball. It's a big deal.
Big deal back then. It was everyone was in one pool.
There was no class system. It was like Hoosiers.

Speaker 1 You'll see in the movie.

Speaker 1 For me,

Speaker 1 the kid in the Hoosiers movie that punches out,

Speaker 1 he was my point guard. He was the point guard on the high school team that won the championship.
Wait, the actual kid in the movie? Steve Holler? Yeah, Steve Holler. Okay, this is why.

Speaker 1 Was he the Forcer on your team, too?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 he was a great guy, but I think that was just a character he played in the movie.

Speaker 1 He played with a chip on his shoulder. He's a little bit like the guy in the movie.
But when I got there, I just sat down. Now, this is defending state championship champions in Indiana.

Speaker 1 And I'd never played basketball. I went into the high school coach, and he says, well, what do you want to do? And I said, I want to play basketball here for you.

Speaker 1 And then I want to get a scholarship to North Carolina. And then I want to go to the pros.

Speaker 1 Now, that was the Michael Thompson blueprint. How old are you? I'm 15 at the time.
Jesus.

Speaker 1 But, you know, this is my first basketball experience. Never played in basketball before in a team setting.
So I said that to him. And if you think about it now, right, he knows knows that.

Speaker 1 He'd seen me that summer come to the basketball camp for the college. College coach had me come in, go to three weeks of a basketball camp.

Speaker 1 The first week, I went through all the drills, and he had every high school coach from every area

Speaker 1 in the conference in the area there come to see if I would be someone they'd want on their team.

Speaker 1 All of them left and was like, yeah, this kid can't play. Can't play.
He's tall. We get it.
He can jump up and dunk it, but he can't play.

Speaker 1 Also, he was black in northern Indiana in 1984 yeah right right right yeah so um

Speaker 1 the the only

Speaker 1 between the three weeks I was there and and that summer before I came to college came to high school I stayed with that little family in the cornfields the week in between the two weeks of camp

Speaker 1 the high school basketball coach there at the Warsaw High School that won the state championship was also a math teacher in the math department The head of the math department was the family I ended up living with.

Speaker 1 He used to be the videographer for the head coach, the head basketball coach. So they decided to take me down to Indianapolis, Indiana during that week to see the world's largest basketball game.

Speaker 1 73,000 people in this new dome called the Hoosier Dome. Ended up being the RCA dome at some point.

Speaker 1 73,000 people. We sat in the top row of the dome at that time.
Who's playing? The 1984 Olympic basketball team against some NBA pros. So that was Michael Jordan, Steve Alford,

Speaker 1 coach Bobby Knight. And on the other side was Sam Perkins.
So I didn't know any of these players.

Speaker 1 I just know, I knew that the coach, the high school coach, was telling me about all these different guys and how three or four of them

Speaker 1 went to the University of North Carolina. Right.
You know, Sam Perkins, James Worthy.

Speaker 1 I'm thinking to myself, they have the most pros. Right.
So that's where I need to go to school. So

Speaker 1 when I left,

Speaker 1 before they sent me back home to the Bahamas, they basically left me with a blueprint to say, hey, if you come back here, you tell your parents, you can come back here to go to high school.

Speaker 1 You'd live with this family that you spent the week with, and

Speaker 1 you can try out for the basketball team. Told my parents that, they're like, what are you talking about? You're not going to Indiana.
You're not going to school there, right?

Speaker 1 I cried as a kid. I cried, and finally they went and visited the family that I was going to live with, and they signed over guardianship.

Speaker 1 So I tell this high school coach the first week I want to play for him, the defending state champions in Indiana. They got the Mr.
Basketball candidate that's going to win Mr. Basketball that year.

Speaker 1 And I want to go to the University of North Carolina and I want to go to the pros. And he could have literally laughed me out the room.
Right. He didn't.

Speaker 1 He just took me out on the basketball court and walked me out. And he said, look, I can give you the tools.
What you do with them is up to you. And he sat me on the block with my back to the basket.

Speaker 1 First, I'm sorry. First thing he did was he took me to the hash line, you know, the hash line on the basketball court.
It's usually like, you know, past the three-point line.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're like the coach's box. Yeah, you can't.
Coaches aren't supposed to pass that line, right? He goes, look, can you dribble from here and make a layup?

Speaker 1 And I took one dribble, picked it up, step, step, and laid it in. They don't call that in the NBA.
So you're already

Speaker 1 at that point.

Speaker 1 He is going to be a professional.

Speaker 1 You know, it

Speaker 1 caught the coach by surprise, and he said,

Speaker 1 can you do that again? Can you dunk it this time? And he was a huge fan of James Worthy. So I took the dribble,

Speaker 1 one dribble, big, picked up, step, step, and took off, and I dunked it. And he's like, I'm a great coach.
And he's like, I just taught him how to do that.

Speaker 1 And he goes, he took me over. He goes, okay, put me on the box, the back to the basket, and he showed me a a drop step, a simple, you know, post-move drop step.
He told me, just keep doing this.

Speaker 1 You do this until I tell you to stop. And I just started doing it, and I did it, and did it.
And he just left the gym. I just kept doing it.

Speaker 1 And I got in, you know, I came to school early before classes, and I go in the gym, and I do it and do it.

Speaker 1 And finally, afterwards, he could see that I was coachable and willing to actually put in the work. I tried out for the JV team.
First game, I make the JV squad. First game, I go in.

Speaker 1 I score 16 points in the first quarter. Pretty good.
I was just very athletic.

Speaker 1 I'm just jumping over everybody. And the head coach comes running down and said, take him out, take him out.
Because you were only allowed like four quarters

Speaker 1 in a varsity game. And I got promoted up to the varsity squad really quickly.

Speaker 1 Unbelievable. So sure enough, by the second game, I'm on the roster.
The center, the starting center for the defending state champions blows his knee out,

Speaker 1 and I get thrown into the starting position. Well, because we had the Mr.
Basketball candidate, all these head coaches were coming to scout

Speaker 1 this top recruit in Indiana. He hadn't decided yet where he wanted to go to school.

Speaker 1 And every time they came, they'd see this really athletic kid grabbing all these rebounds and jumping and running really fast. And so I became, I got on the radar.

Speaker 1 So your initial question was, how did I get to Dean Smith? Yeah.

Speaker 1 That summer, after we lost in semi-state or whatever, the coach, high school coach, puts us all in a van and drives us to five-star basketball camp. You ever heard of that camp? Yes.

Speaker 1 Five-star Howard Garfinkel. It was like what today's AAU, AAU, you know, Nike Adidas camps and stuff like that.
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 This was like you had to be the top 100 kid in the country to be at this camp.

Speaker 1 Literally, by the time I got home back to Indiana, you know, a couple weeks later, I got a letter from Dean Smith and started the whole process of being recruited by him.

Speaker 1 So when's the movie about you? Because that was fantastic. Oh, yeah, right.
That's your own Hoosiers.

Speaker 1 The fact that you said, I want to go to Indiana, I want to go to North Carolina, I want to go to NBA. Well, it gets worked out exactly.

Speaker 1 Well, it gets a little better because I, well, not better, a little worse, but the next year we, you know, when I made it back from that, that top 100 camp and I all of a sudden I'm kind of on the radar now.

Speaker 1 I'm getting all these letters in my mailbox. All of the coaches in the conference thought I was an exchange student.
They thought I was only there for one year.

Speaker 1 And so they raised hell when they heard I was coming back to play another year.

Speaker 1 So they called the Indiana High School Athletic Association and said, hey, like this kid can't play. He's an exchange student.
And they went, no, no, no, no. His parents signed over guardianship.

Speaker 1 So he's literally,

Speaker 1 those are his parents. Yes,

Speaker 1 in America. So coaches must have been pissed off.
They were pissed. I got to play another year.
I dominated. I played really well.
And after that second year,

Speaker 1 I went back to that camp again. This time, I'm on a scholarship for two weeks.

Speaker 1 And I was one of the top, you know, 100 kids legitimately at that point. And I win the MVP of the first week of the camp.

Speaker 1 So all of a sudden, now, in a year and a half or two years, I'm the best player in the United States for one week. Right.
Right.

Speaker 1 And I sprained my ankle at the end of the camp week and after winning the award.

Speaker 1 And the next week, in comes a guy named Alonzo Morning.

Speaker 1 Alonzo Morning shows up. I didn't play the first two days of camp that week.
And by the third week, everyone's like, we want to see Brick Fox and this kid Alonzo pair off.

Speaker 1 And they move the game into the big gym, which they never played. We always played outside, but they made this big, big

Speaker 1 spectacle of us playing and had a great game, but he had a better game, and he ended up winning.

Speaker 1 And when I went back to

Speaker 1 Warsaw after that, I was met with, obviously, a number of recruiting trips I had to take, but I was met with a letter by the Indiana High School Athletic Association saying that I was ineligible to play my senior year.

Speaker 1 And because I'd gone to high school in the Bahamas for two years, and when I came to the United States, I went back into the sophomore year because I was only 15 years old.

Speaker 1 And my parents didn't want me to go to high school, I mean, go to college at 17. So they figured we'd play three years in the States.

Speaker 1 And they said, well, you play two years in the Bahamas and two years in Indiana. You're only allowed four years.

Speaker 1 And so the family that I lived with decided to fight it in court. So we went down and they put the money up.
I didn't know this until years later. I just thought I was fighting

Speaker 1 a court case to try and get my eligibility. The same time I went on all my college visits, I went to Indiana, I went to Purdue, went to Georgia Tech, I went to North Carolina.
In the process, Indiana,

Speaker 1 Bobby Knight, they really heavily wanted me to play for the Hoosiers.

Speaker 1 Gene Cady really heavily wanted me to play Purdue. And it would have been a lot of noise

Speaker 1 if I escaped the state

Speaker 1 being an Indiana top player.

Speaker 1 And so Bobby Knight actually testified for me in my court case. He came in and I was shocked.

Speaker 1 You know, the judge was there and then comes Bobby Knight and he gets on the stand and he's God right now and he's God at any rate. Like this is the height of Bobby Knight.

Speaker 1 Yeah, height of Bobby Knight. In that era, that's like Jim Harbaugh sleeping over at a kid's house to recruit him.
This is even one step further.

Speaker 1 If Jim Harbaugh had three national titles or four national titles or whatever, there you go. So Bobby Knight is on the stand and the judge literally says to Bobby Knight, he says,

Speaker 1 so Coach Knight, if this kid does not play another game of high school basketball, would you give him a scholarship? He goes, most definitely, right now.

Speaker 1 And that sealed my high school fate because the judge ruled for all the other coaches saying that he doesn't need it to play.

Speaker 1 And sure enough, I had to sit out my senior year. So I sat out my entire senior year, still practiced with the team, still practiced with the guys.

Speaker 1 The coach would put me on the practice squad opposite the best players, but we kept beating them. So that just destroyed their confidence, right?

Speaker 1 Did you ever think about just switching jerseys with like one of the short white kids that was on the team and just going in and

Speaker 1 his name on track?

Speaker 1 That would have been

Speaker 1 good.

Speaker 1 Long story short, I didn't play my senior year, but I was still named to the Kentucky-Indiana All-Star team.

Speaker 1 Not playing, yeah.

Speaker 1 Without playing,

Speaker 1 went on to play those two games after the season and won the MVP of the, won both games and won the MVP of the All-Star game. So

Speaker 1 that was my highest time. How of a ride? Yeah, it was an incredible ride.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so you get to North Carolina, and I don't think that Dean Smith gets as much credit these days as I think he probably should because he was a hell of a coach, but I feel like he gets overlapped by a lot of the coaches that were his contemporaries that are still coaching or that coached a little bit longer than him.

Speaker 1 But what was he like as a leader? He was great.

Speaker 1 Real father figure. I'm sure you've heard that from any Carolina guy you've spoken to that's played for him.
Huge

Speaker 1 proponent of us being student athletes, getting a degree.

Speaker 1 I got my degree. So many of us graduated.
This was previous to Carolina scandals with all the tests. So we

Speaker 1 no yes, we actually went to school.

Speaker 1 I was looking for that line, right? I was like going, okay, when are they saying people didn't go to school

Speaker 1 and didn't take classes? Because I know I did my shit. So

Speaker 1 the line kind of fell shortly there after my time there.

Speaker 1 But it was interesting because Coach Smith left pretty much a year or two after I graduated.

Speaker 1 And, you know, but he was, man, he laid the foundation for me. You know, I think I play well with others, meaning other great players.

Speaker 1 I think it made my transition into the pros where I was able to play with

Speaker 1 legends like Larry Bird and Kevin McHale and Robert Parrish my rookie year and feel comfortable and feel like I belonged. And also, I think it taught me how to

Speaker 1 not have to have it all be about me, how to blend in with other great players, which when you get to the pros, pretty much everyone's great.

Speaker 1 It's just

Speaker 1 how can you fit in and

Speaker 1 play your role and still be effective if you're not getting the ball all the time. So I learned how to do that.
And I learned how to think the game.

Speaker 1 I learned how to actually be a man in the community and be responsible for myself professionally. And that I think all four years under him, a lot of kids don't get that today.

Speaker 1 But four years under Coach Smith, and to your point, you're right. I mean, he was the greatest college, I think, the greatest college coach in that era.

Speaker 1 And then at that point, Mike Syzzewski has been chasing him. And obviously, he's gone on to coach as long as he has, if not longer, and surpassed a lot of his records.

Speaker 1 And pretty much may definitely on par with Coach Smith in North Carolina, but maybe even have surpassed him in his lore when it comes to the stadium. Yeah, but Smith didn't pay his players.

Speaker 1 You never got paid. Coach K pays all his guys.

Speaker 1 That's the difference.

Speaker 1 I say we go with that rumor.

Speaker 1 Did you play with Eric Montrose? I did. I recruited Eric and played with him.
Double hero. He looked like a lot of fun to dunk on.

Speaker 1 I never, yes, I actually have dunked on. Yeah, you did.
He's the most dunkable college player of all the players. By the way, he's got the flat top.

Speaker 1 He was a pretty good player, but every time he got dunked on, he looked like a baby deer learning how to roller skate, where he kind of fell down two steps after the fact.

Speaker 1 great guy uh played you got it look he won it won a championship well that's okay won a championship don't worry about it this place is won a championship

Speaker 1 just look that up for those of you that can't see him well maybe you can't see him spilling water all over the place that's all right um i tried to dunk on eric montraus again

Speaker 1 uh yeah no he uh he's gone on he won a championship uh and went on to have i played with him in boston again too i played with him at the celtics they drafted him pretty high and didn't go as well he wasn't as you know, when you get to the pros, you kind of there is a certain level of athleticism that you have to have, even though we've seen people obviously dominate without superior athleticism.

Speaker 1 They just under have skills and they understand how to how to take advantage of a defense or a defender.

Speaker 1 But Eric was someone that relied a lot on his height and strength and size in college and got away with it there, but couldn't get away with it in the pros. Yeah, different game.

Speaker 1 So you get drafted by the Celtics and you are at the tail end of all the Celtics legends from the 80s. So Larry Bird, Kevin McHale.

Speaker 1 What's it like playing with guys who are I mean, I would imagine when you show up, you're probably better than these guys because they're at the end of their career. Well, I sure the heck tried them.

Speaker 1 I tried Larry Bird after practice. I tried Kevin McHale after practice, even Robert Parrish.
What was it like your, what is it, your fourth or fifth year when you win 16 games in 15 games?

Speaker 1 My sixth year. Sixth year.

Speaker 1 I was the captain of that ship. So what, I mean, that's got to wear on you mentally.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Nine nine guys had surgery that year. So, you were the captain of the first team ever to Titanic? I was the captain of the Titanic.

Speaker 1 There you go. There you go.
And it was going down.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And so when that season ended,

Speaker 1 I opted out of my contract, and literally, they fired everyone in the front office, and they hired Rick Petino. And that's when Rick Petino came in.

Speaker 1 And I'm thinking to myself, well, this guy's from Kentucky. He's a pretty dang good coach.
And I, you know, and he went and met with him, and we talked about, you know, the future of the Celtics.

Speaker 1 And he wanted me to be the captain and the future. Did Rick take you to

Speaker 1 the Italian restaurant? He didn't. He took me to his office.
You're lucky. That's probably luck.
Yeah. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 You don't want to go to Italy. Okay.

Speaker 1 No, I didn't know.

Speaker 1 Okay. So then

Speaker 1 I said, okay, well, we leave after a good meeting. I like the guys.

Speaker 1 And my agent calls me. He's like, what do you think? I go, well,

Speaker 1 what's the offer?

Speaker 1 And they said, okay, they have an $18 million offer for four years. Sure enough, Tuesday morning rolls around and he calls me.
He's like, okay, they went up a little bit.

Speaker 1 They went up to, and I go, I'm going to L.A.

Speaker 1 for a million dollars he goes are you serious I go yeah call him and tell him thank you but I'm going to LA got back on the plane flew to LA and they were just stunned they're like who turns down $20 million for $1 million right and I did and for one year I just felt like it was the place for me to be so I got there and in getting there they asked me what jersey number I wanted and I said I'm gonna wear number 17 because when I used to lay on the floor before all of my games in Boston I said look up at the rafters and they had 16 championships And I used to always think before every game, okay, I got to win number 17, got to win number 17.

Speaker 1 And I chose number 17 because I said, I'm going to get my first championship here before they get their seventh. I love that.
Petty Wars. Yeah, Petty Wars.
Yeah, this league, baby. Petty.
This league.

Speaker 1 Petty, real petty. And we ended up winning three of them.
So I love.

Speaker 1 I imagine while you were in Boston, you got indoctrinated into the Lakers' hate, though, right?

Speaker 1 We weren't good enough. Well, you got to remember, I was a Michael Thompson fan.
Yeah. So as grateful as I was to be drafted by Red R back and to get my shot in the NBA, I was a Michael Thompson fan.

Speaker 1 James Worthy was my coach's favorite player. Right.
So I was a James Worthy fan. Right.
So everything about me was, you know, more Laker-tied than self-defense. And you got the Laker look.

Speaker 1 And I got the Hollywood look.

Speaker 1 But I did not. You got the Laker name.
Brick Fox is a Hollywood name. Yeah.
So I just loved, I loved my time in Boston. I loved the city.
I loved playing. We just sucked.
We didn't win. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We didn't win. And when you don't win in Boston, it's not a good place to do do it.
So in L.A., you got Kobe, you got Shaq. The start of their three-Pete, the dynasty, Phil Jackson shows up.

Speaker 1 First question, did you read Phil's book that he gave every year? Yeah. Uh-huh.
Okay. Because we've pulled a lot of people.

Speaker 1 He gave me John. Yeah, some guys don't.
Adam Morrison did. Dennis Robinson said, fuck no.

Speaker 1 And I was reading a story. I was reading something when researching that you were coming in that you were kind of the go-between on the team for Kobe and Shaq.
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 So you were like the guy for Phil to basically like Phil's like, hey, go make sure that they like each other. Phil, I think,

Speaker 1 saw me as having coaching potential and someone that he would, you know, shape as to maybe be one of his assistants at some point.

Speaker 1 And there's stories behind that when it came to his time here in New York and almost became a coach.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I think that's, he saw me as

Speaker 1 a veteran that could be, you know, he knew I was close with Shaq, and I think he knew that Kobe connected with me because Kobe played in Italy and

Speaker 1 he kind of

Speaker 1 took him under my wing early on in his career. And so I became the third captain, you know, for years.
And I did.

Speaker 1 I had to be the go-between at times. Yeah.
And it wasn't always pretty.

Speaker 1 But Phil, the thing that Phil knew most about me was he knew that he could stir me up and that I would actually call bullshit on anything that was going on in the team.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 he would always tell in his books, he'd talk about every year at some point I would stand up in a team meeting and just go off on everybody and just

Speaker 1 call what needed be said out.

Speaker 1 And then I look back, I go, oh, yeah, I remember Phil used to kind of poke me a lot.

Speaker 1 And he would kind of wind me up. Yeah.
He'd kind of wind me up. And then at a certain point in time, when he needed me to explode, he'd just say something.
And

Speaker 1 I'd get in the meeting and I'd just lose it. What was it like to be on a team that was just dominating?

Speaker 1 Like you guys, the West was obviously a lot better, but the East, whenever you get to the NBA Finals, you play the Pacers, the Sixers, I think the Pacers twice, right? Yeah. No, once.

Speaker 1 Pacers once, then we played

Speaker 1 the Sixers and then Nets. The Nets, right? Oh, yeah, Jason Kidd, yeah, yeah.
Carry Fiddles, Steve Van Horn. Steve Van Horn, yeah.
But you guys dominated them. Like, it was never really a doubt.

Speaker 1 I remember watching the finals those years and being like, there's no doubt.

Speaker 1 Indiana was probably the best out of the three, the closest thing, but even then, we knew we knew once we got out of, got past Portland the next, you know, we knew we were going to be fine.

Speaker 1 Once we knew we got through San Antonio, we knew we were going to be fine. Yeah.
And then once we got through Sacramento, those two.

Speaker 1 Was that game rigged? Yeah. Which one? 2002, game seven? No, no, no, 2007.
I mean, game seven six. The reps gave risks.

Speaker 1 I've heard that. I've heard that, but I don't.
Oh, you've heard that? I've heard it from. I mean, Tim Donaghy, yeah.
Why are you sweating? Yeah.

Speaker 1 For everyone who's just listening, Rick Fox just started to sweat. Oh, Rick just snaps over another bottle of water on himself to cover up his sweat.

Speaker 1 You needed something? Yeah. You need a minute?

Speaker 1 What do you know that we don't know? We had Tim Donaghy on the show, and he said that you were his best game. Yeah, the first guy that was always making sure that that game was set up.

Speaker 1 Kings fans still think that that was very rare. They are very rare.
They are still hot about that series.

Speaker 1 I always say to them, there was still a game seven, though, wasn't there? Yeah, there was. What about

Speaker 1 he still had a chance to win? True. And it still went into overtime, and a lot of shots were still missed.

Speaker 1 It's also amazing to me how many just superstar famous people were involved with that team. Yes.
Like when you think back about the 90s, you think about Lakers, the late 90s.

Speaker 1 You think about Lakers basketball. So you were on a team, probably with, I think, two of the most clutch performers of all time.
Who would you rather have taking that last shot in a playoff?

Speaker 1 Kobe or Ori. I was going to say Kobe or Ori.
Robert. Robert, yeah.
Big shot Bob. Big shot Bob.
Big shot Bob. There was never any doubt at the end of the game.

Speaker 1 He could have three points that game, and he had the ball, he was going to make it. The strange thing about it with Rob was the ball would find him.

Speaker 1 Didn't matter if you drew up to play for someone else. It didn't matter if you drew up to play for him.
It wouldn't go the way you think it was going to go. Get tipped out to him, something like that.

Speaker 1 Somehow, he would be standing in the one spot that the ball came to. Yeah.
And

Speaker 1 I saw it at least 12 times. I mean, it was the most remarkable thing.
It was like what he was put on earth to do. Yes.
Nothing else. Not to be a superstar.
Hit clutch shot. Yeah.
All right.

Speaker 1 You want to do the game? Yeah. The last thing.
So, this is the SeatGeek question. This will be our last question.
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Got it. We have a little game for you that PFT has here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so you were on Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader, right? Yes, I was. How'd you do?

Speaker 1 I wasn't smarter than a fifth grader. Okay, well, we're going to give you a shot at Redemption Talk.
Okay, dude. That is good.
All right, three questions for a fifth grader for Rick Fox.

Speaker 1 What is the capital of California?

Speaker 1 Sacramento. Got it.
That hurts me to say it. Yeah.
Because Shaquille O'Neal used to say, you know, it's a Queen's capital. Yes.
You can't say that anymore. Yes, he did.

Speaker 1 All right. What is the largest ocean in the world?

Speaker 1 Something tells me this is a district. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 Not your question. Don't overthink it.
Don't overthink it. The Atlantic.
No. No.

Speaker 1 You know this. Pacific.
Yes, Pacific. We'll cut the part where you say Atlantic.
Thank you. I got you.

Speaker 1 Third question. Who is a better teammate, Kobe or Shaq? These are all questions.
A better teammate? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Gosh, that's a tough one.

Speaker 1 Only reason. I'm going to pick one.

Speaker 1 Can you give me

Speaker 1 in what capacity? Yeah, better player to be a teammate with.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 I love them both.

Speaker 1 Pick it.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 1 Just put in Jeff Fox when you talk about it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm not smart in the fifth grade. Just do it.
Just do one. Just do it.
Just pick a name. You got to pick a name.
All right, new game. Gun to your head.

Speaker 1 This is where you ask a question as if there's a gun to your head. Gun to your head.
Okay, gun to your head. Who's a better teammate? Kobe or Shaq.
Yeah. Gun to your head.
Did LeBron kill Magic? Ooh.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Gun to your head.

Speaker 1 I don't think LeBron did.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I'll throw the butt in there.

Speaker 1 He probably did. Magic

Speaker 1 got a gun butt to the head. Yeah, right.
Exactly. From who? We do not know.
I don't think LeBron himself.

Speaker 1 Maybe it was one of those weird ray guns in Space Jam 2.

Speaker 1 Boom. I think

Speaker 1 there's...

Speaker 1 I think... There's definitely a difference of direction in what they should do.
That's a very diplomatic answer.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I think that...

Speaker 1 And I

Speaker 1 you were a great blue guy. I can see why you're a good teammate.
He's able to talk to everybody. You see how I did between the Shaq and Kobe? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Shaq would come to me and be like, you don't like Kobe. Who do you talk to? Do you still talk to them? Yeah, I see Shaq a lot.

Speaker 1 I don't see Kobe as much.

Speaker 1 You're Shaq as you're a Shai Shaq.

Speaker 1 I do have one final question. I ask a lot of actors if they would be willing to play the next James Bond.
I'm not going to ask you that, though. Instead, would you be willing to star in Space Jam 2

Speaker 1 with LeBron?

Speaker 1 Who you're better than? You win 3-1, you went six. I live in L.A.

Speaker 1 Okay. So it's an easy

Speaker 1 one guy.

Speaker 1 I'm sure if they're casting.

Speaker 1 Is he having trouble casting? Yeah, he's having a big time. I cannot find a single.
Johnny's just said he's going to cast his own family. That's it.
Well, I can only coach. I can't play.
That's fine.

Speaker 1 Rick Fox will be the head coach in Space Jam 2 F Call. F Called.
Rick Fox, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 Really appreciate you stopping by. Awesome stories, man.

Speaker 1 Welcome anytime. I appreciate that.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 thanks so much. Thank you.

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's get to some segments. First up, up, we have no one wants to coach the Lakers.
Well, someone does want to coach the Lakers. His name is Frank Vogel, and he's already gotten cucked.

Speaker 1 Cucked in the middle. Take the way.
Like on the way to the job, he got cucked. In the announcement, they hired Frank Vogel.

Speaker 1 They also said, and we'll be bringing Jason Kidd on the staff as his top assistant.

Speaker 1 And then they said that we're going to have like all the assistants won't really have a hierarchy so that it's like the Phil Jackson style.

Speaker 1 But that's clearly not true because they basically, I don't understand what the Lakers are doing. Their obsession with Jason Kidd is very bizarre.
Jason Kidd is a bad coach. He's got some pictures.

Speaker 1 He's a bad coach, and they tried to force Jason Kidd on Tylu. Tylou was like,

Speaker 1 no. And then they tried to force him on Frank Vogel.
He's like, yes.

Speaker 1 So Frank Vogel, you got cucked before you set the tone in the relationship. Yeah, it's like you got no hand.

Speaker 1 If you're planning a wedding and your wife's like, hey, I need your best man to be Lane Kiffin. Yeah.
Sure. Right.
Yeah, that'll work out. Right.

Speaker 1 No way will this go poorly. Yeah.
So Frank Vogel's new coach. Did they just name Jason Kidd head coach in waiting already? Pretty much.

Speaker 1 Head coach when LeBron decides that he hates Frank Vogel, which could be at any moment. They also had one of the saddest protests I've ever seen outside of Staples Center.

Speaker 1 Shout out to all the Lakers fans. There were literally...

Speaker 1 dozens of them who showed up trying to get I think they're trying to get Kurt Rambus fired slash Rob Palinka and Genie Buss out I don't know it was all very bizarre

Speaker 1 I just love that everyone Lakers fans are already fed up with LeBron. Maybe not directly.
You can become a Clippers fan. Yeah.
It's pretty easy. And LeBron might get traded.
To the Clippers.

Speaker 1 To somewhere else. Yeah.
He doesn't have a no-trade clause. LeBron for Kawhi, straight up.

Speaker 1 Even though Kawhi is... Well, they sign him to the Supermax.

Speaker 1 That's an interesting question in itself because I don't think that Kawhi Leonard is going to be that much more attracted by an extra $50 million that the Raptors are going to be able to sign him to as a Supermax.

Speaker 1 For Kawhi, it's like he doesn't care about money.

Speaker 1 No, he cares about being at a place where his personality can shine. He cares about having the latest software installed in his body, yes.

Speaker 1 Uh, it's gonna be interesting, though, to see what happens with, well, no, actually, it won't be interesting to see what happens with Frank Vogel because Frank Vogel is like he got he got hired to get fired.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no,

Speaker 1 when you say it's going to be interesting to see what Frank Vogel does, you don't have to finish that sentence, you're already a liar. No, I was going to say it's going to be interesting to see

Speaker 1 how Jason Kidd coaches Kyrie Irving.

Speaker 1 That will be interesting. That will be very interesting.
That's an interesting dynamic. How long until Jason Kidd is the one that's drawing up plays on the sidelines? Yes.

Speaker 1 And Frank Vogel is just more of a CEO. Yeah.
How long until Jason Kidd has Frank Vogel bump into someone with a drink to try to get an extra time out and then be like, that was not very classy of you.

Speaker 1 That was a good, good.

Speaker 1 That was basically Jason Kidd's best coaching decision ever. That's why they want him on the team.

Speaker 1 Because Jason Kidd, you're really good at knocking over drinks. Can you just hang out with LeBron all the time so he doesn't slug so much wine?

Speaker 1 Yeah, if he's just slapping the wine out of LeBron's hand.

Speaker 1 Hank, question for you.

Speaker 1 How much respect would you lose for Kyrie if he goes to the Lakers? I'm very torn on this because part of me wants me to go there,

Speaker 3 wants him to go there just so I can root, like, put all of my hate into one team, but then the other part of me is scared that they'll actually win.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that would be tough. That would be the worst.
If Kyrie Irving...

Speaker 1 Imagine if Kyrie Irving goes to the Lakers and the Celtics don't do anything with their roster, but all those guys become good again and they meet in the finals.

Speaker 3 That'd be amazing.

Speaker 1 I would love to see that Kyrie and LeBron beat them.

Speaker 1 That would end your life. Did you see what Kyrie said after

Speaker 1 the loss?

Speaker 1 Kyrie had one of those interesting quotes.

Speaker 1 He was like, yeah, you know, I'll take some time to think about this loss in this season, but first I, you know, got to get home, hopefully safely, to my family and spend time with them.

Speaker 1 It's like he just kind of threw that out there. Like, oh, you know, when you think about it, traveling is dangerous.
Always. Every time you leave your league.

Speaker 1 Every time you leave your house, the drive back from the airport, you never know what these crazies are on the road. There's a measles outbreak in like six different parts of America.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I haven't heard an update from Kyrie. Hopefully he got home safely from that loss.
That's very ominous. He's like,

Speaker 1 it'd be a real shame. His post-game quotes have reached strange philosophical levels.
He's like, his quotes are like...

Speaker 1 Mike Tomlin, if Mike Tomlin took a freshman year philosophy class from Bill Walton.

Speaker 1 Everything he thinks is genius.

Speaker 1 He actually is kind of like brand level of annoying everything he says. It's just like, dude, shut up.
You're just trying to be cool every time you open your mouth. Shut up.

Speaker 1 Stand up out of your wheelchair. You're fine.
You're useless at the end of the season.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 there we go.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's do. We have two more things before we get to Game of Thrones recap.
We have a drunk idea. PFT, you had a drunk idea? Yeah, it's just an app that tells you how tall someone is.

Speaker 1 You point your camera at them. That doesn't seem like a good idea for you.
Not for me. Oh.
Well, actually,

Speaker 1 girls love guys that are under six feet tall because we live longer. Got it.
Better jeans.

Speaker 1 But I'm saying these

Speaker 3 for blind people?

Speaker 1 Yeah, the problem was I was at a bar on Friday, and there was a guy that had to be at least 7'5.

Speaker 1 And he was like an older guy, and I've never seen like a tall, old guy before. And I was just looking at him.
I was like, what is he like 7'3?

Speaker 1 And then the person I was with was like, no. He's got to be like at least 7'5.
And it's impossible to tell. Once somebody gets over 7 feet tall.
Well, you can ask them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but that's the only question they ever get. Yeah, I know.
Well, no, they probably get, do you play basketball? Did you play basketball on this guy's

Speaker 1 volleyball if it was in your eyes? Are you George Mikin? Yeah. So I just thought that'd be a handy app to have.

Speaker 1 I think it would that would be bad for you, though, because people would

Speaker 1 see how he was 5'1. He's 5'7.
And be like, what? He keeps saying he's 5'10. No,

Speaker 1 they wouldn't know that at all. You'd have to wear heels everywhere.
No, I'm not 5'7.

Speaker 1 I've been very clear on this app. This is a very strange app to.
I feel like you can tell, too. It's only for basically over seven-foot people.
Yeah, Yeah, exactly. So you just want to

Speaker 1 tell how it looks if it's under seven feet. So you just want an app for like the maybe like five times a year you see someone who's over seven feet, yeah, how tall they are.
Yeah, instead of asking.

Speaker 1 And you don't want to be rude and go up and be like, how tall are you? You'd much rather do the classy thing and just point your camera at them and take a picture of them. Okay.

Speaker 1 I can't see a lot of use for this app, but that's why it's a drunk idea. That's why it was a drunk idea.
That's why it's a drunk idea.

Speaker 1 Also an app that you can just point at a crowd and tell how many people are there.

Speaker 1 Okay. In like a small area.

Speaker 1 You're just trying to win the

Speaker 1 thing they do in the sixth inning, seeing how many people are at the stadium. Exactly.
Yeah. You can take a picture of a stadium and immediately, boom, counts it.

Speaker 1 I'm sure the military has something like that. I was going to say, all of China has this.
You walk by something and they just recognize your face. Yeah, facial recognition.
You actually want

Speaker 1 more robots to figure out

Speaker 1 who everyone is. Yeah, I do.
That's not good. I trust robots more than I trust people.

Speaker 3 Okay, that's bad.

Speaker 1 That's really bad. Maybe.

Speaker 1 Kawhi hit that shot. It's true.
After four bounces. The quadruple doink.

Speaker 1 Should we do a Monday reading? Let's do a Monday reading. So we have this from

Speaker 1 Ricardo Harimillo. I think this was an essay.
It was a modern love college essay contest. That seems like a very specific thing to write about.

Speaker 1 So it's titled, Why Can't Men Say I Love You to Each Other? It doesn't count if you add bro or man to the end. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right now you've lost me. Yeah, yeah.
All right, so we'll hop around here. He starts with, I'm having L-word troubles, but my troubles don't involve a lover.
There's no romance or sex in this.

Speaker 1 No flowers, candles, or dancing. Why can't you send candles to your buddy? That's true.
Or have sex with him. My L-word troubles are with my boy, my best friend, Keechi.

Speaker 1 I've told him I love him probably five or six times now, but he never says it back. Is Keechi

Speaker 1 his dog? Nope.

Speaker 1 It's his bro. Okay.
It's his friend. When people say, I love you, especially for the first time, there are a number of things they may be saying.
Maybe it's, do you love me?

Speaker 1 Or more urgently, please love me. This guy already seems a little too much.
Okay. The first time, it's always, do you love me? Yeah, do you love me back? Can you just say it back?

Speaker 1 With Keechi, it's not like that. I know he loves me.
I feel it all the time. I don't need to ask for his love.
I don't need to wonder. I tell him I love him for a simple reason.

Speaker 1 Nothing could be more true. But he doesn't say it back.
Mostly, I've said it when we're leaving each other a couple of times over the phone. Once when I was drunk, that one seems

Speaker 1 a weird one for sure. Another time when he was hurt and I was trying to be supportive, there's always silence for a moment, and then he says something like, Yeah, bro, I'll catch you soon.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, that's what guys do. Listen, let me just.
What you're feeling? Let me interject real quick.

Speaker 1 If I could give one piece of advice to the author, it's a lot less weird and more accepted if you just jimmy-tap the guy. Yeah.
Just give him a little sack tap. That's cut.
It means the same thing.

Speaker 1 That's how guys say I love you. I love you too, bro.
I don't need him to say those exact words to me. Kind of sounds like you do if you're writing an essay about it.
Right? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 This seems like kind of an overreaction the other way. Yes.
I wonder, though, about what keeps him from saying them.

Speaker 1 What keeps nearly all young men from being able to tell their male friends that they love them?

Speaker 1 I say it to millions of people every day. Every single day.

Speaker 1 They hardly ever say it back, but that's not why I say it.

Speaker 1 He reads my column in the New York Times.

Speaker 1 He He goes on to tell a story about his childhood friend who he used to hold hands with, and then someone was like, dude, you guys hold hands, and they stopped holding hands.

Speaker 1 But anyway, he goes on, I met Keechie in the middle of my freshman year when I was once again a nervous new kid. You know what just occurred to me?

Speaker 1 Sorry to interrupt, but it occurred to me that, guys, we invented the handshake so that we could hold hands with another guy, but it's got a definitive endpoint on it. Well, unless you're Trump.

Speaker 1 Yeah, then it's just you pull on it. But you just shake a guy's hand.
Throw hug. Yeah, you shake a guy's hand.
That's the cool way of being like, we're holding hands.

Speaker 1 But we're not holding hands anymore.

Speaker 1 When I love someone, I pound them

Speaker 1 and then I blow it up. Yeah, it's pretty cool.
Yeah, that is really cool. Do you ever do this one, the up, down, bump, and then

Speaker 1 or do you lock it?

Speaker 1 That's almost holding hands. Yeah.
Lock it. Okay, so back to the article.
That was a quick, quick, quick show and tell of what you can do instead of saying, I love you.

Speaker 1 So he says, I've gone through life with a rotating set of anxious ticks.

Speaker 1 That year, I had become fond of swinging my university lanyard with my key in circles, wrapping and unwrapping around my finger.

Speaker 1 When people started flowing into my dorm room, I began my nervous swinging, not noticing what I was doing until I heard a crack and I saw that my key had struck a stranger's iPhone screen, leaving a minor scratch.

Speaker 1 That stranger?

Speaker 1 Keechy. No, it was a guy named Fred.
Oh. No, it was Keechie.
Yeah, it was Keechie. It was Keechie.

Speaker 1 Well, I'll say this.

Speaker 1 If a stranger cracks your iPhone and you still elect to be best friends with that person, that's an emotion more powerful than love. Yeah, way more powerful than love.

Speaker 1 The fact that you got over that massive hurdle on your very first friend date and you powered through it, that's like getting herpes from a girl on your first date.

Speaker 1 You go on and you end up marrying her. He keeps going on talking about his friendship with Keechi.
It's pretty deep. Listen, we all have friends, deep friends, longtime friends.

Speaker 1 I admire how quietly deliberate Keechi is and the balance he brings to his life.

Speaker 1 When I go to him with girlfriend problems, writing problems, or any other kind of problems, some little things he says or notices always

Speaker 1 stay with me for days. That's better than love, dude.
You have so many things that are better than love, and yet you just need it. You're a little bit, a little extra.
You're needy. A little extra.

Speaker 1 The codes men follow in love are tricky. For example, while saying a straight I love you is frowned upon, something saying to another man much love

Speaker 1 who says much love or I got love for you

Speaker 1 is okay. It's like I like you, but I'm not in like with you.

Speaker 1 These things are not okay, by the way. Saying if I walked in, I was like, PFT, I got love for you, man.
Hey, much love, big cat. Much love.
Hey, one. One.
Never won. And that way you just get resolved

Speaker 1 all together. But we are talking about one love.
But I just want to say, fellas, we're telling each other that we love each other. Dude, it's 2019.
You can say you love your best friend. It's okay.

Speaker 1 Just don't write an entire essay in the New York Times. Why doesn't Hank say I love you? Hank, I love you.

Speaker 1 He probably doesn't love you. Hank, I love you.
Don't be a Keechie, Hank. I love you guys.
All right.

Speaker 1 That was both of us.

Speaker 1 Don't be a Keechie.

Speaker 1 He keeps going on and on, and I don't even know where it ends up. Basically, Keechi, just fucking say love you to this guy so he stops writing essays about you.
Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 1 Because that's a really specific name.

Speaker 1 If you read this and you're like, oh, I fucking, oh, Keechee, I know that guy.

Speaker 1 He's got a friend who needs to say I love you. How would you feel if you were Keechi and your best friend wrote an article for the New York Times about how you won't tell him that you love him?

Speaker 1 Do you think that Kichi's move is he reads this and first thing he does is text or call and say I love you? Because if it's not, I think that relationship's over.

Speaker 1 I think he's got it or maybe he has a little fun with it and just texts and says much love.

Speaker 1 That's good. Or just heart emoji and then yeah.
All right, so here's the end of it.

Speaker 1 There's a part of this story I haven't admitted yet. Each time I say I love you to Kichi, it feels uncomfortable.
I feel the weirdness of it in myself. That's because he doesn't say it back, dude.

Speaker 1 That's why it's weird. The lesson is burrowed in that deep.
I hesitate, flinch, but in my conscious mind, I know it's what I want to say, so I try to say it.

Speaker 1 I want to say I love you to Keechi and mean just that. I don't want there to be any desire or questioning or expectation lurking inside my words.

Speaker 1 I want to love in a way that surpasses the need for affirmation, for return. This is what I have come to know as a purest kind of love, expecting nothing back.
Oh!

Speaker 1 Well, so we're good. He loves him.
Yeah, we're good. It sounds like he's comfortable with that.
Yeah, we're fucking good. Don't worry about the guys.
So So you don't want to do anything.

Speaker 1 How about this, fellas? Instead of saying, I love you to your friends, if that makes you uncomfortable, the new code phrase that we're swapping out now is, what's up, bitch? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Or say, I don't want to be Seebs. Yes.

Speaker 1 There we go. I don't want to be Sebs.
I don't want to be Seebs. See, bro.

Speaker 1 I don't want to be Siebes. I want to be with you.

Speaker 1 I want to be with you. That's what you say to your bros.
I want to be with you. I want to be with you.
I want to be around you. I want to be inside you.
I want to smell you.

Speaker 1 See, try that out with your buddies. I want to be inside you, dude, with my feelings.
Hey, Hey, Hank, I want to be inside you.

Speaker 1 With love. Do you have anything to say? With love, dude.
I'm talking love.

Speaker 1 Hank? Do you want to say it back, please?

Speaker 1 Say it. I don't want to be deceived.
No. I don't want to steam.
There you go. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. What's up, bitch? All right, so it's 2019, guys.

Speaker 1 You can say I love you to each other, but if your best friend writes an entire article in the New York Times saying how he wants you to say I love you, you might need a new best friend. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Or just say it back. Yeah.
Say it back so that he stops writing ass. Yeah, you don't have to mean it.
He's going to write a fucking book about you, Keechie. You don't have to mean it.

Speaker 1 Just say I love you one time. Keechy, you're about to be in a fucking rom-com movie about two bros that don't love each other.
It's bad. Judd Apato is licking his chops.
You already did that.

Speaker 1 I love you. You man.
Yeah, he did.

Speaker 1 No, we're not allowed to say man afterwards. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I love you. Bitch.
Parentheses, man. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The sequel. All right, Hank, hit the music.
We're going to do Game of Thrones recap. Game of Thrones spoilers.
If you haven't watched, don't listen.

Speaker 1 If you have, we got something special planned for you. you.

Speaker 1 We started the fiery tundra as Queen Danny McBride Targaryen took her army eastbound and down to King's Landing.

Speaker 1 Cersei Biscuit Lannister had a heart comparatively three times the size of Khaleesi's as the blonde bombshell imagined her dragon bringing thunder, thunder, lightning, and the thunder through a crowd of innocent women and children, burning the city to a ground in a touching tribute to Henry Kissinger.

Speaker 1 Whoop! Whoop!

Speaker 1 We now go live to Drago with a whoop, whoop, whoop,

Speaker 1 Tyrion landed, steered up. Lil Lil Darlin steered it up, setting his brother Jamie free so he could go pork his sister one last time until Euron Greyjoy got up in his guts on the beach.

Speaker 1 Cersei's army tried to throw in the towel, but Greyworm didn't hear no bell, leading the charge through the city like Vontez Berfick in a room full of defenseless Resiggers.

Speaker 1 Wait! Eat! Good, go!

Speaker 1 Fumbo!

Speaker 1 Back down to the streets where John Edward Snowden was disillusioned with his government's overreach as his army advanced on surrendering soldiers, running up the score to get a more favorable Ken Pom ranking for quality wins.

Speaker 1 That's a lot of bodies.

Speaker 1 Some dragon. Meanwhile, back up in the castle, Kyburn did his best impression of a Netflix documentary and got thrown down a staircase.

Speaker 1 The hound took on the mountain like a Saint Bernard as the two brothers dueled to the death in a scene surely ghostwritten by Cersei's main overrated archer, Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 And folks, put out an APB for Arius Stark, because stop me if you've heard this before. But a famous killer is on the run, riding a slow-moving white Bronco.

Speaker 1 Whoop!

Speaker 1 Alright, A little fastest two minutes for you. Game of Thrones recap.
That's probably the only fastest two minutes that we've done in two minutes. My voice is not ready for it.

Speaker 1 I like just broke down there. It's the offseason for us, too.
It's the offseason for us, too.

Speaker 1 Let's start from the beginning. Hank, you're a fucking monster.
Me? Yes.

Speaker 1 So, Daenerys.

Speaker 1 Well, first of all, we should start with Varies, who gets killed right out the gun.

Speaker 3 Border Whisperer is the guy that has the most shit to talk about, and you just don't let him give his last words. That was kind of annoying.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, guess what's really extra is killing people with your dragon.
Like, death by dragon seems a little excessive, it's fast.

Speaker 1 Sword works, but it does it feel like it's I don't know, it feels a little fast, and he's hairless, so he doesn't burn up.

Speaker 1 There's no like it's like when they used to do the electric chair, and like it didn't always work.

Speaker 1 They didn't, yeah, I did notice they didn't put a sponge on his head before they did that, so he probably did suffer. Didn't get a last meal, he just got killed.

Speaker 1 That dickless dude who ended up being right. It's the first meal he's missed in his life, though.
Yeah, it's true, because

Speaker 1 uh, Daenerys, Daenerys, how do you say her name? Daenerys. Daenerys

Speaker 1 is on one. She is mad.
She is triggered. She is very mad online.
She is like, you know,

Speaker 1 when you get older and you get that moment where you start copying what your parents do, but you don't realize it.

Speaker 1 You're like, one day you're young, and the next day you're like, man, these games have too many timeouts. Or, oh, man, like, these guys, they're dunking too much.
Why don't they lay it up?

Speaker 1 That is what Danny did, except instead of complaining about like too many commercials she just blew up the whole fucking city because that's what her dad wanted to do she did pretty much right

Speaker 1 but but big cat i'm kind of on team hank here because

Speaker 1 cersei did that to her own people well she could have given it up not not fully she's too much pride not fully even till the very end she's like uh you know what she was doing it was a 2019 version of that hitler movie where he's in the bunker he's like no no that's fine i've got my army around the city it'll be fine and then she was slowly coming to the realization that she fucked up big time.

Speaker 1 But what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 They basically gave up. They dropped all their swords.
Yeah, but that's

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 surrender. But they still surrendered.
They literally, all the guys dropped their swords. The fight was over.
They're like, we're done. We're outmatched.

Speaker 1 You can't show up to a full battle. The whole scene happened.

Speaker 1 If a team against Alabama is getting blown out, they're not just going to quit halfway through the game. You don't take a knee in the third quarter.
I agree. I agree, Hacks.

Speaker 1 You show up for battle. You got to fucking This is exactly why the Mad King was the Mad King.
He wanted to blow up the entire of King's Landing. That's exactly what he wanted.
That's because he lost.

Speaker 1 He did that in a losing effort. Dude, she did what her dad was trying to do.
Kill all the innocent people. She murdered everyone.
Here's my question, you big cat.

Speaker 1 Would Cersei have shown that kind of mercy to Danny? What do you think? To her people, if Cersei were invading

Speaker 1 people.

Speaker 1 Wherever Danny lives, I don't know, like her fucking weird castle with a room for a dragon. If Cersei's invading that town, do you think that Cersei would have mercy on Danny

Speaker 1 soldiers? She already did because she showed up in the last, in episode four, she showed up with her dragon and her whole army, and Cersei could have killed him right there. I know she couldn't have.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she could have. She was sitting there with all those fucking boys.

Speaker 1 I don't think that Cersei would have shown the mercy that you're expecting from Danny. But hold on.
I agreed. Thank you, Hank.
Wait, hold on. I agree with Hank, too.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Hold on.

Speaker 1 You're just mad in the last time.

Speaker 3 Your queen went out crying like a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a drink.

Speaker 1 No, I'm not mad. I'm mad because you think that she's like this just ruler and she just showed that she's exactly like her dad.
Targaryen. She's a just ruler on this point.

Speaker 1 Targaryens are fucking psychos. Oh, exactly.
But that's why you're Team Target.

Speaker 3 One's crazy, one's good.

Speaker 1 And then she just. They're not telling she's crazy.
She proved that she was crazy.

Speaker 3 One is crazy, Danny. One is good.
Oh, John.

Speaker 1 Oh, so you're okay with the crazy, but you want also the good? So wait, you're rooting for Team Targ.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 they're not the same. A John Targaryen.
No, they're not the same. Yes,

Speaker 1 no, he is a Tar. I'm Team Tar.
Yeah. Okay.
She's his aunt. So you want her to just kill everyone.

Speaker 3 I want the Targaryens to be ruling at the end. Got it.

Speaker 1 So she did bitch out, though, like big time. She pulled Saddam Hussein.
It was like hiding out in a little spider hole at the end under the ground. She didn't want to at the beginning.

Speaker 1 I don't even know if she's dead. Everyone's saying she's dead, but she's had a castle that fell on her face.
Wait, but aren't you the king of if they don't die in front of your face, they're not dead?

Speaker 1 I make an exception when a castle falls on your head.

Speaker 1 What about Yuron Grayjoy? Is he dead?

Speaker 1 I forget what happened. Yeah, he's dead.
He didn't die in front of our troops. But he got stabbed center mass.
The same as Theon. No, Theon got stabbed.

Speaker 1 Theion got stabbed in his head. Hey, keep going.
He's possibly still alive.

Speaker 3 Euron coming back when Jamie was walking up. That was probably...

Speaker 3 I feel like everyone in the world collectively groaned when he just showed up and was like, oh, Jamie, let me stab you 10 times and you're just going to walk away.

Speaker 1 He's just swimming out of the ocean like, hey, here I am, guys. Even though he got blown up by a dragon.
By the way. Tyrion's the biggest snitch of all time.

Speaker 3 Tyrion deserves to die.

Speaker 1 How far was that swim? I reckon it was probably a few miles.

Speaker 1 He was wearing body armor. How about Danny just finally now realizing you can just blow shit up with dragons? Like, where was this?

Speaker 1 This is a kind of a problem I have with how the last season has gone. Like, she just all of a sudden's like, I'm just going to blow everything up.
And, Hank, she's supposed to be the just ruler.

Speaker 1 She's the freer of people. She just murdered everyone.
No, but she said it in the episode.

Speaker 3 She was like, aren't you worried about all the innocent people? She said, it's not about these people. It's about all the people of the future that we're going to save.

Speaker 1 You know, it's kind of crazy if you just think of the long game, do you? You think of dragons as being like an allegory for the atomic bomb. Yeah.
It's like, hey,

Speaker 1 whoever has one of them, they can rule the entire world if nobody else has one. Yes.
And then all of a sudden someone else is going to get one. Now we're all fucked.

Speaker 1 All right, what else you got, Hank?

Speaker 1 I wrote. Aria's going to kill Danny, by the way.

Speaker 3 I wrote

Speaker 3 Tyrion equals dumb fuck.

Speaker 3 Oh, seriously, it's a degenerate because when she's dying, that's a classic degenerate move. Like, oh, no, no, we're good.
Like, the walls are coming. It's like, no, those are breached.

Speaker 3 It's like, no, no, no, we got the golden company.

Speaker 1 I didn't believe it. She was in shock.

Speaker 3 But she was like, she was, she had that degenerate gambling. Like, oh, if I keep

Speaker 1 going,

Speaker 1 it's still going to work out. What was up with the mountain? Like, being able to survive all that stuff.

Speaker 1 He's basically

Speaker 1 the monster from Frankenstein. He was like Paul Pierce.
He took like nine swords.

Speaker 1 That's so fucked up.

Speaker 1 He hybrid died. But then he broke no, but then he came back and

Speaker 1 then he put one in his eyes. Hilarious.
Hilarious. He just got tossed down the stairs.
That guy sucks, too. I'm happy he died.
The Game Bowl, were you pleased, Hank?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I don't really care about that that much.

Speaker 3 That was like a fan thing that I was never like.

Speaker 1 What's that?

Speaker 1 The Hound versus the Mountain. The brothers.

Speaker 3 Like, it was beautifully shot the way it was like the dragon came flying by during it, and they both went out into a fiery.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because the episode was visually and musically, once again, delivered.

Speaker 3 Very good.

Speaker 1 How is Danny going to be able to rule? Like,

Speaker 1 she's going to have some problems. Like, Jon Snow is not happy with her.

Speaker 1 She's going to need, need like Tony Dungy to rehab her image. Aria's going to kill her.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Aria is going to kill her. Aria seems like she's on a mission.
Or Arya is going to try to kill her, get killed, and then Jon's going to kill her. If Arya gets killed, the internet riots.

Speaker 1 I mean, she's going to. Aria's not going to survive.
No.

Speaker 1 I mean, she's the one everyone's kind of rooting for now.

Speaker 3 As long as Davos lives, I'll be good.

Speaker 3 I also, it felt like one of those episodes that they could have, like, it could have been like 45 minutes. They kind of stretched it out.

Speaker 3 A lot of the season has felt like they've just been stretching it out as far as they can possibly go.

Speaker 1 How about, by the way, Arya being like, hey, you can't stay here. And then she just runs those poor people into the Dithraki.
She's like, you can't stay here. You're going to kill me.

Speaker 1 And she locked out lady.

Speaker 3 That was the lady she locked out in the beginning.

Speaker 1 It's bad tour, guys.

Speaker 1 She's just killing everyone.

Speaker 1 Let's see. I did feel like they stretched out.
Like, Arya running around. How many different hallways can she get lost in over the course of the last 15 minutes?

Speaker 1 She was just covered in soot, just running around.

Speaker 1 That horse scene took a while, too. Do you think that

Speaker 1 so you guys both think Cersei and Jamie died? I mean, I agree, but it is like the classic. We didn't see them die.

Speaker 3 There's one episode left. That's kind of like.

Speaker 1 There's one episode left. I know, that's kind of a shitty way for Cersei to die.
Like Danny killed her. That's your

Speaker 1 central part of the whole thing, and she dies from a couple of rocks falling on her head. Bitch.
Oh, wow. Okay.

Speaker 3 That's your queen, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, because

Speaker 1 she's been the same person from day one. She doesn't fucking go mad like Danny did.

Speaker 1 Danny has been like that the whole entire show. Oh, you're so wrong.
You're so wrong. She was the freer of the people, dude.

Speaker 1 Mother of dragons. She literally went from city to city trying to free the slaves, and now she's like, I don't give a fuck about the poor people.
She literally just blew up all the poor people.

Speaker 1 You cannot say. You can root for her all you want, but don't tell me she hasn't done a health.
I know if she was rooting for her, I'm Team Target. Oh, my God.
Team Target.

Speaker 1 So who do you want to win? A Target? No, you have to say which

Speaker 3 I mean, John, obviously.

Speaker 1 That's such a boring ending, though. Like, Jon Snow, the good guy that kind of sucks and is not good at expressing his emotions, ends up sitting in the audience.
And he doesn't even want it.

Speaker 1 Doesn't even want it. Doesn't even want it.

Speaker 1 I think it's got to be Bran.

Speaker 3 It's crazy there's one more episode.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it is crazy. It feels like they rushed it.
No matter what happens, people are going to be very upset at the last episode.

Speaker 1 There's no way to end it to make him happy. Oh, yeah, happy.

Speaker 1 We also had. I'm trying to think of what else.
Oh, yeah, the Hound. Aaron Rodgers let let down Aaron Rodgers died He was on the losing team that made me happy didn't show up

Speaker 3 Barely showed up who else who else Hank I'm trying to think what else happened Grey Worm went hammer time like once once they got I mean you said it in the in the recap like he did it was funny when John was trying to like stop people when they were just killing each other He's like, no, no guys stop like that.

Speaker 1 He's like no bro. This is that was a classic Jon Snow I didn't get

Speaker 3 off yeah Grey Worm's like I didn't get my dick cut off for nothing Jon Snow was like slow motion half paying attention and like guys were just walking up to him and he wasn't even paying attention and just sliced him in half.

Speaker 1 Yeah, dude, he's the best. That was Jon Snow in a nutshell for me.

Speaker 3 He didn't even want to kill people.

Speaker 1 He was like half paying attention. He saw war crimes happening and he was like, ah, we shouldn't be doing this war crimes.

Speaker 1 And then he was like, ah, everybody else is doing war crimes, so I guess I got to do it. No, he saved

Speaker 1 that one girl. He saved one girl.
Yeah. That counts.
I guess. But then she got blew up by a dragon.
Well, yeah, that's everyone. Literally, everyone got blown up by a dragon by Hank's Queen.

Speaker 1 The one issue I have with dragon stuff sad is some of them they she also she also blew up her own soldiers

Speaker 1 yeah because she's fucking mad she doesn't trust john anymore psycho what don't you understand i kind of like that though

Speaker 1 she's been left for dead but i mean like pft the whole thing

Speaker 1 just watch her is built off of how the mad king her dad was like the worst ruler and wanted to blow up all his own people in king's landing and then we get to this point and she does exactly what her dad the mad king did and it's it's like, history repeats itself.

Speaker 1 Targaryens are assholes, and they blow everyone up and down. And that part is bigger.
To be fair to me, I did not know that because that wasn't included in the 16th century.

Speaker 1 I know, yes. So that's what Hank's rooting for.
Okay. Basically,

Speaker 1 the whole setup is just like, this guy is the worst guy. He tried to blow up all his people.
Then they had a revolution against him. Now we're back to square root of the brain.
I just like that she's

Speaker 1 got those eyebrows and the blonde hair. It's just cool to see her watching.
Who does her brain fighting on a dragon?

Speaker 3 What's her name's Dad? She didn't have her brazen. Her hair was a mess.

Speaker 1 Let's say you had

Speaker 1 two of your children got murdered.

Speaker 1 Two of your children got murdered.

Speaker 3 Your closest advisor/slash friend zone, king of the friend zone, Jorah, died fighting for you. Melisandre murdered.

Speaker 3 The person who you're in love with actually has the most rightful claim to the throne, and people like him more than you. So you have no allies.
You have no friends. They're all dead.

Speaker 3 Your lover is your cousin or your nephew.

Speaker 1 Tell me you wouldn't go Curry. By the way,

Speaker 1 Jon Snow should get some of this blame because if he just had sex with her, she probably wouldn't have gone crazy. Exactly.
Yeah, actually, that's a very good point.

Speaker 1 Just sack up and fuck your aunt and save millions of lives. And she would not have gone crazy.

Speaker 1 It's like put your money where your mouth is. You can flip out while you watch a city burn and be like, we shouldn't be doing this.
Or you could just squeeze off a nut the night before

Speaker 1 with Auntie Danny. Yeah, just 69 with your aunt, and you could save literally millions of lives instead of just standing there being like, no, guys, this is too far.
And he's not horny enough. That's

Speaker 1 probably so. I hate Jon Snow.
I'm only rooting for the stars.

Speaker 1 I have one dumb question about Game of Thrones.

Speaker 1 I'm good for one of these every single episode. John Stones is a stark too.
I mean, he's a part stark. So, whoa, wait.

Speaker 1 You just got yourself in a little pickle, my friend. You talk too much.
How? Are you rooting for the Targaryens and the Starks? Team Targ. He's hedging his story.

Speaker 1 He's found a way to root for everyone. It's ridiculous.
Hedge root for the storylines. It's insane.
My question is, does anybody in Game of Thrones ever go on vacation anywhere? What do you mean?

Speaker 1 It just seems like everybody's always working.

Speaker 3 Melisandre and Greyworm had that one planned, but her name's not Melisandra, so please stop saying that. Missandi? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Melisandra's the red woman. True.
Wow. Wow.
I just dumped on you, Hank. Okay.
I don't know what that means. I mean,

Speaker 1 Hank is the king of saying that I mispronounce everything, and he just mispronounced a person's character for a totally different person's name. So, wait, they planned a vacation? Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just never got around to it. That's pretty relatable.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she got her head cut off. Extremely relatable.

Speaker 1 It puts everything into perspective.

Speaker 1 Next time you complain about travel delays, like your plane doesn't go off in time, just remember that grey worm and masande were about to go off to a vacation that she got her head cut off that was my other note golden company worst investment of all time yeah well you can't you can't hire uh swords like that they're not gonna fight the same way so half those guys that were fighting were hired hired swords oh okay yeah they're mercenaries why do you call them swords they they call them hired swords

Speaker 1 sell swords also we're the fucking calling now that we're talking oh yeah that's disappeared yeah where was brand this whole episode he was probably plotting something in a fucking wheelchair trying to talk to people riddles and shit.

Speaker 1 Still underneath the tree. Like, hey, Bran, what do you want for dinner? He's telling riddles to an owl.
Well, the three-eyed raven sees it all, sees everything for dinner.

Speaker 1 It's like, bro, I just wanted to know if you wanted Tater Tots or not. Why didn't Arya try to change into somebody that was like right next to Cersei?

Speaker 3 I think they just forgot about she can do that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and she also has to kill someone first for that to happen. And there were only like two people next to Cersei at this point.
Oh, she has to have killed them already, and then she can't.

Speaker 1 She could go take Kyburn's little smashed skull. That was so funny.
God damn it. That little bitch, he just got tossed.

Speaker 3 Also, I mean, people have been shitting on the writers this year for, you know, not having source material, not being original.

Speaker 3 The fact that they had to go back to the well for the eye thing, that was a little, you know. Which one? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like him smashing his eyes out.

Speaker 3 It was like, it worked one time, but, you know.

Speaker 1 Either way,

Speaker 1 last one coming up next week. I don't know.
I don't even know what to make of it anymore. I mean, Danny just went mad.
She went crazy. Team card.

Speaker 1 Whatever happened.

Speaker 1 You cut off one of her friend's head, and then all of a sudden she blows everyone up.

Speaker 1 It seems a little excessive. No,

Speaker 1 she's just like us. If your best friend's head got cut off, you would be pretty irrational if your nephew wouldn't fuck you.
Kill everyone. Yeah.
Yeah. Get on your dragon, kill everyone.
By the way,

Speaker 1 one little shout-out to is it Drogon that's still left? Yeah. That guy, he's meant to do a lot of shit.
That's an MVP performance. Yeah, but it's kind of fucked up.

Speaker 1 It's a dragon, dude. It's like being the robot.
PFT is a robot guy. It's like being the drone.

Speaker 1 You didn't want to kill everyone. Right.

Speaker 1 You're just told what to do. Did anybody live?

Speaker 1 Liberating a country.

Speaker 1 We're being greeted as liberators. This is now you're all the way in here.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hank is now literally. Hank, you would love our tactics in Vietnam.
It's actually called Operation King's Landing Freedom. We'll just blow everyone up and then they'll become our subjects.

Speaker 1 They'll love democracy once we kill all their people.

Speaker 1 Team Targ. Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. See you guys on Wednesday.
Love you guys, bro.

Speaker 1 Much love.

Speaker 1 This is Jon Snow.

Speaker 1 So I assume, my lord, you're here to bend the knee.

Speaker 1 I am not.

Speaker 1 Our two houses were allies for centuries. You've traveled all this way to break faith with House Targaryen.
Honor the pledge your ancestor made to mine.

Speaker 1 Bend the knee, and I will name you Warden of the North.

Speaker 1 By declaring yourself king of the northernmost kingdom, you are in open rebellion.

Speaker 1 I mean, no offense, your grace, but I don't know you.

Speaker 1 Am I your prisoner?

Speaker 1 Not yet.

Speaker 1 I put my trust in you,

Speaker 1 a stranger.

Speaker 1 I'm asking you

Speaker 1 to trust in a stranger. What do you think about it?

Speaker 1 Boo.

Speaker 1 I believe you know of whom I speak.

Speaker 1 A good heart.

Speaker 1 I'm not still staring at a good heart.

Speaker 1 to

Speaker 1 I'll be

Speaker 1 here.

Speaker 1 I haven't given you permission to leave.

Speaker 1 I don't need your permission.

Speaker 1 If I don't return, at least you won't have to deal with the king in the north anymore. I've grown used to him.

Speaker 1 You told me to do nothing before, and I listened to you.

Speaker 1 I'm not doing nothing again.