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On today's part of my take, we have

three-time NBA champion Dwayne Wade in studio. Awesome interview with D.
Wade. Really, really fun to talk to him.
We're going to talk some playoffs. The Thunder are a wagon.
The Panthers are a wagon.

The Pacers and Knicks Knicks played one of the most exciting playoff games, maybe ever. We'll talk to memes about that.

R.I.P. G.
Merce, we're going to talk about that. The tush-push doesn't get banned.
And then we are going to finish up with Firefest with our good friend Oldie, who is back in the booth

smelling bad. So great Friday show going for you to get into the long weekend.
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It was cow. Do I still have that ticket?

I cannot wait for this conversation. I gave it to Pug.
Yeah. And he gave it to someone.
And then it was given again. I think the Donnies are both going.
Oh, hell yes.

Whenever you get both Donnies involved, it's a great time. It's rare.

Yeah. The Thunder are really fucking good.
They're really, really good. And yeah, we laid into SGA a little bit on the last podcast.
I still stand by the take that.

I don't like watching him when he's foul baiting, but he is a great player.

He did less of the foul baiting tonight. Well, he won the MVP, too.
That happens thanks to Shams for spoiling it. Bullshit that they announced it when the two MVPs were in the playoff series prior.

Do you think that they should have done it when it was like last season? He's saying they should have done it during that.

Yeah, I think there was a famous one. I think it might have been Dirk Nowitzki.

No, that was after he got bounced.

Dirk got it in the second round after they got bounced by the Warriors. I want to say it was like a David Robinson Hakeem.
They announced it during

the actual

series. But yeah, I agree with you.
They should have done it. They should have done it before game seven.
Yeah, they should have. Yeah.
Yeah, it would have been sick.

This was a great game by SGA. There's no doubt about it.
I still get pissed off when he embellishes. I think the Timberwolves are at their wits' end with it, too.

Yeah, there was a little bit of that tonight.

But he also, like, if you take that aside, he played a great game tonight. Yeah, no, he's awesome.
He had 38 points. He was dominant in, I mean, the first half, he missed like two or three shots.

He's really goddamn good. And I wonder the question that I have for you guys, is Paul George an all-time Oklahoma City Thunder player? Because, of course, Paul George got them SGA

and a thousand picks. I would say yes.
Which I will say

in

defense of Clippers fans, they probably don't need defense. A lot of people are doing the like, can you believe this trade? SGA was not.

No one thought he was going to be an MVP when they got traded for him. And Paul George was very, very good at the time.

Still a crazy trade looking back at it. it.
But yeah, Paul George got them SGA and a lot of picks. And now the Thunder look like the far and away best team in the NBA.
They suffocate you on defense.

Anthony Edwards had a pretty nice night, and it still didn't matter. They're just that much better.
And they,

I don't know what to say. Like, they're just so much better than everyone else.
And they can hold a lead. Yeah.
They can't. They're a very tough team to come back on.

They just, they, they get out in transition so fast. Oh, every turnover is.
Yeah. It's unreal.
Like they score before the defense even has a chance to fully get behind half court. And it's crazy.

And all they do is turn you over. This was another game where I think the Timberwolves had 14 turnovers, the Thunder had six.
Got to win the turnover battle. Got to do it.

And it doesn't matter because they're just that good. And yeah, I don't really, you can't even.
We can't even be like, hey, t-shirt guy, put your t-shirt on.

They just keep winning when he doesn't have a t-shirt on. I got one thing to just bring to light.
National Sports Podcast. Yep.
They've got the best super fan in the world. Yeah, the Thunder do.

They got two. Well, I'm talking about Thundor.
Yes. Thundor is awesome, but also Brick Guy is awesome.
Brick Guy's cool Thundor. So Thundor, he rocks.
He's oldie.

He wears like a Mexican luchador hat, and he takes his shirt off. He paints his chest.

He looks like oldie. He is the absolute best.
I looked up some information about him. His name's Garrett.
He's a social worker, and he changes on the way to games in a gas station battery.

I love that. And this dude is the best.
We got to get him on. Huge home field advantage, home court advantage.
Yeah, there's Thundor right there.

We got to get him on. Big boy.

Thunder. Someone get us a Thundor.
He figure it out. He lets out.

During Foul Shots. Yeah.

His claim to fame is he was the first person to call Chris Kamen Chris Caveman when he was shooting foul shots. And I read an article.
They did an interview with him a while ago.

This is like maybe 10 years ago. He said, as a bigger guy, I grew up always wanting to swim with my shirt on.

As goofy as I might be and how outrageous my antics might be, deep down, I like to promote body positivity and feeling confident in yourself.

If I can take the thing that I'm most uncomfortable with and make that something that can entertain others or be a distraction for free throw shooters, then I took a negative into a positive.

I love this guy. Thundor rocks.
Thundor is the man.

I would like to have him on PMT. You know, it's a blowout when Thundor takes the mask off and he just enjoys the rest of the game.
My job is done here.

Yeah, I don't know if he did that tonight, but he has done that. I think in that The Nuggets blowout that they had in game two, I think he just was like, Thundor, my work here is done.
Yeah.

And he went back into Clark Kent for the rest of the game. My watch has ended.
Yeah. Yeah.
But this guy rocks. I love Thundor.
And it, yeah, I don't even know.

I mean, we'll see what happens when they... So we're, obviously it's Memorial Day weekend.
So next we will talk to people. There'll be two more games that

go on because we'll be back on, we're going to do Tuesday, Friday next week.

Hopefully, there's still a series. I think that the Timber Wolves are going to figure out how to win one or maybe two at home.
I think they'll figure it out. I don't know.

Game three, they got to win game three. I don't know how.
Must win. I don't know how, but I don't see the Wolves getting swept.
Yeah, I mean, you would hope that

Nas Reed's got to hit a three eventually. I think he's 0 for 12 in the series.
Yeah. He's got to hit a 3.

And Julius Randle didn't play in the fourth quarter. He had a bad game, which that is.
Because he has been incredible all playoffs.

Even last game when he started, I think he had 20 points in the first half.

Him having only six points and not playing in the fourth quarter, I don't know if he was injured or anything, but he, that's bad. That's a bad sign.

I don't think that you can make the case that you might get a friendlier whistle at home because I believe that tonight the foul shooting even favored the Timberwolves.

Yeah, shout out to Scott Foster. Yeah.
Playing banged up. Got hit in the nose.
Did he have a tamp on his nose? Yeah, he did. He put a tamp on his nose.
I love that. Yeah, it was a big one.

Did you guys guys also see?

In the second period, right? Yeah, it was the second period.

Did you see that Perk was there? Perk's going through some stuff right now. The picture of Kendrick Perkins standing next to Stephen A.
Smith that went viral. Parallax angle.
That was tough.

Also, Perk is doing some weird stuff where he

was like... Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook never got out of the second round until I showed up.
Fact. And

Kevin Durant quote you and just said, you the real MVP. Yeah, I love that.

And he also had, I think it was last week, he said he would have locked down Jokic, and then they just played

footage of baby Jokic just like fucking him up. And the Celtics is like, you know, it's a

family team, and he's

not allowed in. Really? Yeah.

Why? Because he was leading the charge against getting rid of Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum a couple years ago. He was doing his job as a journalist.

But what happened was he was at the game and they announced him as a game. So he's gotten all of his former teams, none of them.
Yeah. Well, he did get a standing ovation tonight.
Oh, nice.

Yeah, I think the people love him. Yeah, he got a standing ovation tonight.

He has to know when he says stuff like that, it's a little bit tongue-in-cheek, right?

I don't know. I don't know.

I think he's suffering from the fact that

all of the games and box scores that he played in are readily available. Yeah, that is true.
You know what I mean? Like, he would do a lot better.

It's giving off big, like, oh, yeah, my summer camp girlfriend, she's actually from Canada.

If he was a folk hero, like back in the day, like, yeah, Kenny. Big perk.
Big perk.

Min used to cry instead of going to the lane against Big Perk. Yeah, if he was a boxer from like 1915, we would be, oh, my God, the best ever.
But so back to the standing ovation.

You got a standing ovation.

Now, I don't know what the timing was with this, but it was a little weird because they only showed one highlight, and it was just a repeat highlight of different angles of a single dunk he had.

That's awesome.

I don't know what happened there, but here I'll send it to you. I think you also might have misquoted him a little bit because you didn't say carry the hell on.
Yeah, that's true. That's true.
He,

yeah, Perk. He's going through it right now.
But the Thunder, they're just, they're better than everyone. I don't really know what to say.

It's like, I got a question about the Thunder and their roster. Guy for guy, if you put them up against the Boston Celtics,

why would you do that? They're not in the playoffs.

Who are we taking here?

Guy for guy. The Thunder are still playing, so you got.
I mean, the Thunder are stacked. Yeah, top to bottom.
Top to bottom.

And what's crazy about the Thunder, and I know that this is getting ahead of ourselves because they haven't won the title. Here's the highlight if you guys want to see it.
It's pretty sick.

This is Kendrick Perkins and his career at OKC, and that's a dunk. Yeah, hell yeah, it is.
And

then

there's the same dunk from a different angle. Uh-huh.
Yeah, that was a good dunk. That was a great dunk.

I don't want to get ahead of ourselves. There's still some basketball to be played.
Anything could happen.

The craziest thing about the Thunder is like, they're so young, and they have so much, like, so many draft picks. They have...

Like I was saying the other night, Chet Holmbridge is just going to get better.

He's already very good.

He was good again tonight, and he's going to keep getting better. Yeah, you could make the case that this might be the worst Thunder team that we're going to see in the next five years.
I like that.

I like that. Yeah.
You could make that case. If the Thunder can win with this roster, imagine what they're going to do.
Yeah, it's a good case to make. Should we start that discussion? Yeah.

Will this be the worst Thunder championship in their dynasty era? No, this is an off year. The Thunder fans are going to be so bad about this.

This is like, if you look at it, this is an off year for the Thunder. Yeah.
And the fact that they're doing this is super important.

We're going to look back and be like, dude, they fucking won with this team? Yeah. And listen, I like the Thunder.
I think they're a great team. I think that they're entertained.
I love Caruso.

I think you feel the same way. I love Caruso.
I love Lou Dort, who, by the way, I don't know if you guys knew this fact. I found out yesterday.
Lou Dort name is Lugan Stort.

His father's name is Loufren Stort. I like that.
Literally the same name, just a G, an F instead of a G. I fucking love it.
Yeah, but I think that

if we do nitpick at SGA, it's because there's literally our only complaint about the Thunder is that your star player is too good at gaming the rules. Yeah.
And you're mowing everybody.

Like, I might be an SGA atheist. Yes, I am.
But that doesn't mean that I can't appreciate Alex Caruso. Yeah.

I agree with that. And they're a really good team.
You can't take anything like what they've done in the playoffs so far. Because I know, obviously, they went to seven with the Nuggets.

That's credit to the Nuggets. But

even in that series, they had a couple blowouts. Like, it just feels like when they beat these teams, they're just killing them.
Yeah. Killing them.
This game was a close game again.

And then it was just, oh, the Thunder are going to do their thing. Like,

their defense is just so good. And their offense can go through a little bit of lulls every now and then, but it doesn't matter because their defense is that good.

I think we have to just fast-forward the entire conversation and say, are the Thunder bad for basketball? It could be.

Are we going to have to make a Sam Presti rule? I mean,

he's built such a great team. Sam Presty, the asset king.
Yeah.

He's just swimming in assets.

Eating assets. Should we talk about the other game? I think we should.

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Okay.

Nick's Pacers.

This was one of

the more shocking, craziest, awesome. I don't really know what other superlative to use games that I've watched.
It was insane. And the Pacers,

I think we can all agree, it's not a fluke. It's not like a coincidence this keeps happening.
This is the third time they've done this thing.

This was the most extreme one, but the third time they've done this in these playoffs. In the Buck series, they were down seven with 40 seconds left.

In the Cavs series, they were down five with 30 seconds left. In this game, they were down eight with 40 seconds left.
They were down 14

with 250 left. And the stat goes that all time teams that are up 14 with under three minutes to play were 977 and 0.

And now

the one is the pacers and what they did, and it's crazy. It was insane.
I've seen so many different

versions of that same stat where you can even back it up to three minutes, four minutes, five minutes. And they're all the same where it's like they were 0 for 1,414.

Now they're 1 for 1,415 in this circumstance. Crazy.
And yeah, you're right. The Pacers,

they've proven that this is what they do. They don't run out of gas.
They're better conditioned than every other team. Yeah, and they've got guys that can hit three-pointers that can heat up.

And it's not like they're shutting teams down. Like, the Knicks still scored points.

So the discussion that I think was thrown out there... There's like six points in the last two minutes?

Yeah, and the discussion that was thrown out there, because obviously Tyrese Halliburton hits that shot, incredible shot, toe on the line, but still like such an insane shot for it to bounce that high.

And he does the Reggie Miller choke, which was a ballsy move because he, well, he didn't know at the time that he thought he had won the game. I'm okay with it.
Yeah. No, I'm fine with it too.
Aura.

You agree? Yeah. What about the laced-up Tim's? Yeah.
Yeah. Okay.

Halliburton just, he may have just made the quickest transition from no aura to massive amounts of aura this postseason. Yeah, but I don't think the Knicks choked as much as

they choked a little bit. They were making shots.
Yeah, and they missed some free throws. And obviously, there was the goaltending that everyone's going to talk about.
And over time, I get it.

Like, to say the Knicks choke, though, does a disservice to Aaron Neesmith going into God mode. That was God mode.
What he did in those three minutes or whatever it was, maybe a little more,

was insane. Five for five from three.
Yeah, it was nuts. Aaron Niesmith paced her for life, right? Insane.
Didn't play for anybody else. I mean, that was.
Wait, did he play for somebody else?

Aaron Niesmith? Yeah. Who did he play for, Hank?

Oh.

Did he play for the Celsius on the Celtic? The Texas draft. Oh, no.
That's wild. Oh, no.

That was so impressive.

God-mode. Yeah.
Like, I don't really know what else.

I don't think you can say in the zone because

it was more of a

crunched time frame and it was perfect. He He was above the zone.
It was God mode. Yeah, so I think that the Knicks did kind of choke it a little bit, though.

And that's not taking anything away from what the Pacers did, because the Pacers were obviously great in those last three minutes. But

Jalen Brunson's a great player. Love watching him play.
Dog.

He looked super shaky in the fourth quarter, whether it was inbounding the ball, whether it was bringing the ball up the court. He looked scared.
And there were a few times when he turned it over.

There were even more times when he should have turned it over and lucked out. He got very, very shaky in the fourth.
I don't think I'm telling tales out of school with that one.

Memes, would you agree with that?

I think the one inbound play, and then he threw it up to Josh Hart, was a shaky one. I think he had several of those in the fourth quarter.

Well, I think, I don't know about the shit because he ended up scoring 42. Yeah, he had a great game.
He had a great game.

I think the crazier part for the Knicks is that when it was 10 minutes left in the game and it was 94-92, and Jalen Brunson gets his fifth foul, you're saying to yourself, oh fuck, the Knicks are going to be in trouble here.

And then the Knicks ripped off a 14-0 run and you're like, oh, my God, Jalen Brunson's sitting on the bench and we just went on a 14-0 run. And all of the, like you said, like you, you back it up.

It's just like looking at all of the scores at different times

is just insane. They're up, you know, 119, 105 with 250 left.
They were up

seven points with a minute and 20 left. They were up, what was it, eight points with 40 seconds left? It just, it was an impossible comeback and they and they did it because Aaron Neesmith was insane.

And when Halliburn hit that last shot in regulation, after the ball hit off the back iron and went like eight, nine feet up in the air, I don't know about you, but I was like, oh, that's going in.

Yeah. That's going to fall in.
I also was like, that was Jim Ursai. Yeah, he did.
That was his last tweet. His last tweet.
I did an Ursae legacy game on A Line.

And we'll talk about him in a second. But that was, I just, the Pacers are so much fun.
They're so much fun to watch because they have just guys with big balls who make big shots.

And Hall Burton, Hall Burton is so good. And I know that he got voted overrated.
He now is the most underrated.

And we don't know. Big guy is so good that his peers hate him.
Well, no. How good he is.
Yeah. Kurt Goldsberry told us it was like five people

that voted for him.

Rachel knows 13 people. She said 13 total players.
Yeah, voted him the most overrated.

So it's really not that many people in the NBA, but they just didn't want to vote for anybody else because that's a fucked up award to give.

The guys that got probably, he got this Olympic spot over them. Yeah.
Yeah.

Yeah. And I was watching a clip.
There was, there was someone posted,

it was. It was like, I've loved Howard Burton from this moment.
And he was doing like a watch-along for a, I don't know if it was a playoff game or a NBA League Cup game.

and it was a highlight of Jordan Poole with like 10 seconds left, chucking a three from like 35 feet.

And the other two people on the panel, I think it was Taylor Rooks and someone else, they're like, What? How do you take that shot? And Halberton's like, I love that shot.

He's like, That was a great shot. He's wide open.
He's like, I'm taking that shot in the playoffs next year.

That's just what he is. He's just unafraid.
Like, the move to go into the paint like that and then come out and you knew he was going to take it. It was a stupid fucking shot, but it was crazy.

Yeah, yeah. The whole thing was crazy, and it was.
I saw people saying it was a double dribble. It was not a double dribble.
It got poked away. No,

yeah, he got, he got his, the hands were put on there. Um, what were you going to do? What are you doing?

I wanted to see if memes thought it was a double dribble because that's true saltiness. Yeah, so memes, let's talk about it.

It was not a double dribble, but I saw a lot of people being like, how do they knock all of it? But I would respect it if memes held firm and held the line and said, that's a double dribble.

Memes, we did

review of your tweets last night. Good job.
There was one that we noted, though. Where'd you guys review this?

We were sitting in here. Yeah, we did an internal review.
We did an internal review. Nice.

It's part of our

evaluation. We do that every Friday.
We do it every Friday. We look through all your tweets.
But

you had it all.

You had the choke. You had everything.
You were doing all caps. But the one that made us laugh was the choke picture was not all caps.
And it just said Hal Burton hit the choke on the tying basket.

Yeah, I did.

Yeah. Memes, you were, you were an all-caps guy when something exciting happens.
And when, when the Pacers were coming back, you said something like, the Pacers just won't die.

Yeah, somebody was like, oh, Jim Ursa, don't say that.

But I saw that one, and I was like, that's just memes being angry that the Pacers won't die.

I was in shock. Yeah.
Yeah. The Knicks are just cursed because, like, if OG makes that free throw and then Tyrese steps on the line and gets a two, like, that's what somebody with good luck gets.

Instead, it was like, overtime, Ty, you don't get the goaltend, now you just lose. Yeah.

So, how are you feeling? I mean, it's one game. That's the thing is, like, there was a lot of,

it was a shocking game. Knicks fans were commiserating, which I understand,

but it was just one game.

You win on Friday night, and it's like, all right, let's go. Yeah, you win on Friday night, you're back.
It's, what, 10.50 right now? Like, this morning, I didn't leave the couch.

It was probably the worst loss I've ever seen in my lifetime.

But you win game two, you're back. Yeah, and the Knicks, like, if you want to go positive spin zone, the Knicks were the better basketball team for 56 minutes,

57 minutes.

Yeah.

Or no, no, no, not 57. I was doing NFL time.
Wow, wow.

We just did American Rejects at the

they played a private concert for us. It was sick.
We're going to have the lead singer on the show on Tuesday. Uh, it, they played the better game for 45 minutes,

yeah. And then Nae Smith was just touched by God, and then he just couldn't fucking miss.
I miss football. Yeah, football.
I was just going 60 football.

It was the absence of sport on the entire world.

So, memes, you stayed on your couch. 60 minutes.
You were angry.

I stayed on my couch. You didn't move.
Memes did text the group chat like four times. What time are we recording? Let me know.
Yeah. Let me know what time we're recording.

He's like, I want to get this over with and get the fuck out of here. Yeah.

Yeah, pretty much. And

I've just been here all day. You've been stealing.

You've been stealing a little bit. Yeah, you don't handle losses well, but that's fine.
I think that that's

most people at this office don't handle losses. By the way, no Nick fan should be judged for how they handled that loss because that loss was as gut-punching as you get.

Now, anything you said, did, acted in the like two hours after that game should be legally wiped from the record. Yeah, I crashed out pretty hard in our production group chat.
Oh, no.

What did that look like? Can you read some of them?

No. Max is shaking his hand.

It was that hard of a crash out. Yeah, it was pretty bad.
Did you apologize? Did you go after anyone? No, no, no. It always just ends up with me quitting somehow.
Oh, did you quit last night?

If they don't let me know, I'm going to quit. He blamed Chicago for his tires.

That's actually a valid point. What's that? I had to get three retires.

That's fair. You retired three times?

Three tires were placed placed yesterday.

You retired three times yesterday. Yeah, the loss was so bad.
All right, so, and then what else was said in the

weather. I blame the weather in Chicago.
Yeah, I also failed. Yeah.

Okay.

Anything else?

I mean, anything on hand?

No, I blame Shane. Imagine we were at softball when that was happening.
Yeah.

What did you say to Shane? I was like, this is all Shane's fucking fault. Okay, go on.
Well, why?

He sent me a picture that let me know he was doing something.

Oh, Oh. Scroop chat thing.
Taking a shit. Yeah.
Oh.

Damn.

That is Shane's fault.

I was like, I don't want to be thinking about this. It's just one game,

but the Pacers are so much fun and they're a scary, scary team because they don't. Like, the fact they've done it.
You just can't. Memes, I'll tell you from

experience, you can't blow game two. Win game two, you're fine.
Yeah.

No. You just can't blow another big lead in game two because then.
And it's a pattern. Yeah.
Yeah.

So I did see, if you're a Knicks fan, I hope that you just avoided, like memes, you avoided all sorts of sports media, even if you work on a sports media podcast.

But I saw a lot of shows today just straight up burying the Knicks, just saying the Knicks cannot come back from this. Which is bullshit.
I don't think I disagree. Yeah, it's bullshit.

It's an overtime loss. The Pacers are a great team.
They will never die. You have to kill them seven times if you want to actually murder them.

But to say that the series is over, I respect the boldness of the take.

take yeah and and also like the knicks still like cat was very good and he's gonna be a mismatch problem for the pacers like i og's been good like i i think this will still be a series jalen brunson's still incredible that was a tough a tough tough uh loss did you see the uh new cat sound dropped uh let me get it to max so he can play it for you guys i fucking love cat i i need him mic'd up for every single game he's so fucking funny but i you got to keep your head up.

It's one game. Win Friday night, and you're good to go.
Yeah, you can't win in six if you don't lose two.

That's true. You did predict it.
Ready for this?

This is Mitchell Robinson talking to Cat before the game.

I'm here. You I, NYC.
Okay.

And what? I'm here. UI NYC.

NYC.

SEC.

Are you in the Haliban? I am.

I mean, I've been riding with the Pacers. Like I said, I had a money line on Wednesday night, which was the craziest win possible.
I might be in Al Qaeda.

I've been in the Haliban and the Pacers

this whole run. They're just fun.
Yeah, they are.

Citrus Twitter has been

getting into it because

there were rumors a while ago, like back when Ben Simmons was on the Sixers, that Daryl Maury turned down Tyrese Halliburton.

You get in there and you make it about you, Matt. And also,

you don't have the best Tyrese in the NBA. Oh, no.
No. No, no, no.
No, no, no. It's also crazy because did you guys see there was a

someone did the all the draft picks for each team in the conference finals and it's like the pacers have built a team of not

like top three guys and it's it's pretty damn impressive it is yeah naismith great draft pick great draft pick yeah brad stevens yeah trust the process why'd you get rid of the process

uh brogdon Brogdon, Malcolm Brogdon, who won sixth man of the year.

At the time, you know, it was a good trade. Win-win.
Yeah. Yeah.
But, I mean, you didn't know he had God-mode.

No, I mean, you know, it's been four years since that trade, but yeah, he's a great player. Great drop.
You haven't really thought about him that much before

this playoffs.

Has anyone yet? I mean, God mode. That was crazy.
It was God mode. God mode.

What memes? I mean, it was so crazy. And then after the game,

he was like, I'm just so good at shooting, I just let it fly.

That's a great idea. I think a guy like that shouldn't be doing that.
Yeah.

Did you...

The Halliburton choke, it could have been a bad one. If they had lost an overtime, that would have been as bad as you get in terms of memes and everything going after.

I think that it's incredible that he was able to overcome what seemed like a jinxing choke that he made.

He tried to will the meme into existence before they won the game. That feels like something that will come back to bite you, and he just overcame that in overtime.
Yeah.

But the Reggie Miller choke series, the Pacers lost. That's true.
Yep, good point.

Also, here's another stat. Just one last stat.
This one's crazy. Since 1997 and 98, teams are 4 and 1,640

when trailing by 7 plus in the final minute of the fourth quarter or OT in the playoffs. The Pacers account for three of those four wins.
That is nuts. In these playoffs.
That is nuts.

That's fucking insane.

Four and 1,640, and they have three out of four in these playoffs. Crazy.

How many points would you need to be up by, memes, in the final minute of the fourth quarter to feel comfortable? 15. 15.
15.

That sounds like a challenge. That feels like a new Pacer stat that's going to drop.
Yeah. You should have gone like 25.
Yeah. Dude, you know, like the stats that came out after this game

were all so shocking. You don't want to make a new one.
And I loved looking at all of them.

They're mind-boggling. It's just four in 1,640.
Crazy numbers. Yeah.

Last thing on this game,

I saw that Charles Barkley actually said this to Adam Silver, and we agree. It's time to get Tyrese Halberton's dad back in the States.

I said that like two days after they banned him for the entire playoffs. Because you could see a way that this would unfold when it feels like the punishment is too heavy.

Yeah, ban him for the rest of that first series. I get that.
Or I guess it would be the second series, the first two home games of the second series.

Let the man's dad watch his son dominate in the NBA. Although him doing the clip of him at a bar doing the choke and having the towel and just going crazy was very funny.
But yeah, let's get it back.

Yeah, I saw Stavi threaten to fight him. He's like, just let me fight his dad and then all is fair.

I think it's a fair compromise. I know if Stavi wants that fight.

I think Stavi wants the fight.

I don't think he wants to fight. I don't think he wants to fight after he has the fight.
Yeah.

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Pacers, Knicks,

I need to catch up with Max, so I'll just go Halberd. All right.
11 to 1.

11 to 1. What are you guys going to do? I'm going to take Aaron Naismith.
Okay. 8-1.

Good one. Maybe God Mode still? I'm going to go...

I'm going to go Siakum because I like saying Siakum. Yeah.
750.

I'll just run it back with... Cat got me a win last week.
I'll run it back with Cat. Okay.
Plus 475. Plus 475.
And Max, you're in the lead for our competition?

A lot.

What a good margin. I think I'm up like

around 1,000. Oh, okay.
So you better not have Halliburton Hitman. No, Halliburton would be tough.

I feel like that's way too.

I'm seeing plus 950. Oh, I see.
All right. Plus 950.
I was reading Josh Hart. Plus 950.
Yeah, my bad. Plus 950.

Good catch, Max. That is a good catch.
I mean, that's a big difference. That's a big difference.

That's a big difference. They're at the bottom.
I saw, plus, I was reading it and didn't link the names. Plus 950.
Max is able to pull up stats real fast

to competition.

We're all looking at it. Yeah, real fast.
Plus 950.

You know what? Maybe I'll just parlay Halbert and Josh Hart. They'll share a first basket.
That's cute. I don't even know what that means.
That's adorable. You can't do that.

Okay.

Other things we got to talk about. Jim Ursa passed away.
Very sad. I was thinking about it, PFT.
I think Jim Ursa

is

the closest to how I would want to live my life if I was a billionaire. And he was the coolest for that.
He

had a football team. I know his dad bought the team, but he owned a football team.
He collected sick guitars.

By all accounts, he would just hand people money and do really awesome things for people without having anyone say anything, like being like, hey,

i don't want the publicity he partied

like he was a billionaire nfl owner who has many pictures of him like shirtless or has like stains on his shirt he lived how you should live if you are a billionaire yeah he was a dude i agree 100 this is exactly what i would do if i owned an nfl team if i had that money i would buy an nfl team i would smoke cigarettes on golf carts i would give away a lot of money i saw a clip of him a while back this was years ago where he was at a bills Bills game and he was in the owner's suite at a Bills game.

And he was like talking back and forth to some of the Bills fans that were in front of him, like just friendly banter type stuff. And then after the game was over, the Colts had won.

He just starts autographing $100 bills and just handing them to everybody.

He's like, Thanks for tolerating us, guys. I appreciate it.
Here's some money. Enjoy yourselves.
He would walk around with stacks of $100 bills in the thousands and just give them away to people.

He did a shitload for people in Indy. I know, like, at the national level, what you know about Jim Ursa is probably limited to some of his demons.
Yeah, some complicated things.

Which is fine, but like this, I think it's actually good to point at this and say, if you're an addict, that doesn't mean that you're a bad person.

No, and also, I don't think you, I think if you talk to anybody that like dealt with him, they loved him in Indy. He was eccentric, yeah, but guess what?

I would probably be eccentric if I had that much money too.

He got rid of, I will never forget the fact that he is the first owner to have the balls to say fuck you to Dan Snyder when Snyder threatened to blackmail every other owner.

And he goes, Yeah, try me because everything that I've done is out in the open. Yeah, you're still a piece of shit, and we're going to do something about you.

He had that guitar collection, which is the best guitar collection in the entire world.

He had, I think, three guitars that were worth over a million, two of which were worth like four million dollars.

And he had this huge collection that he would take out on the road and just be like, hey, everybody, please just come look at all these pieces of American history that I have.

And he was offered a billion dollars by, I think it was Dubai. They offered him a billion dollars to buy his collection.
He said, no,

I'm not going to sell it for that. I don't care about the money.
I just want to have it so that I can show people the collection that I have. Yeah, and I think the,

you know, he obviously battled some addictions. Like, he was a complicated guy, but guess what? Complicated people are more interesting in life.
Like,

there's good and bad, but that's kind of why I looked at him and, like, he felt like one of the more human owners that we had in sports because he did have demons and things that happened, but he wore them all.

And it was like, this is who he is. He's not perfect.
Yeah. Which I'd much rather that than someone be like, oh, yeah, I'm perfect.
Everything's perfect. Yeah.

I mean, the man made several big mistakes in his life, but I don't think that that defines what he was. Because, like, I never got to meet Jamercy.

I would have loved to have met the guy and to interview him or just to like introduce myself.

uh we never got the chance to do that unfortunately but he did send us the giant banner of the colts fine afc finalist and he wrote uh i think he wrote those lyrics that he he sent over to us yeah that said like it takes a good friend to tell you that you're pissing in the wind thanks for telling me i was pissing in the wind yeah he also undersold like when that happened i remember pft being like hey like uh

Jim Ursa has said he's sending me something like let's film it just in case it's probably nothing yeah and it was the greatest thing. I think that's the greatest thing he could have ever given.

I saw Eric Burkhart had a thread today that I feel like summed up Jim Ursa.

He told the story. He said, a brief Jim Ursay story that I believe is important to share.
Years ago, I had a Colts client player who unexpectedly lost a beloved family member. Mr.

Ursay personally called me with the sincerest condolences for the entire family. Further, he offered to pay for the funeral, which we graciously dismissed.

Days later, Jim's right-hand man called me, insisted that Mr. Ursay pay for the funeral.
His one condition was that it wasn't made public that he did this.

And upon following through and assisting them in executing his amazing gesture, his guy told me in confidence, Jim Ursai does so many incredible things like this on his own and without credit.

And last year alone, he paid for hundreds of funerals. And that's like, that's the coolest thing.
People.

Will make the argument about like, hey, charity, you got to talk about your charity so then you get more charity.

Like Jim Ursa probably touched so many people's lives and did so many things for so many people that we have no idea about because he did not want credit and he did not want people to be like, oh, wow, Jim Ursa is the best.

He just did it because he was a good guy. And he was loyal to his players.

If you ask any of the players that played for him, I've seen so many of them say, like, yeah, this is a guy that loved football. He loved his football team, and we appreciate that about him.

They enjoy playing. He let Andrew Luck keep his money, right? Yeah.
When Andrew Luck decides to retire and he tried to pay him back, Jim Ursa was like, no, no, you keep all of it.

That's for you, buddy.

You earned it. So there's going to be

a giant hole in NFL Fridays and Saturdays this season. I don't know who's going to announce if the roof is open, closed, the window open, closed.
I love that.

I love him.

He loved his football team.

It doesn't seem like he meddled with his football team, maybe sometimes to a fault. Yeah.
I would say so. Probably to a fault with some of the hires that he has.

But his extent of meddling with the team was, I just want to announce if the roof is open or closed. Yeah.

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So, yeah, and he was one of the more interesting guys in the NFL world. So, R.A.P.
J. Mercy.

Also, speaking of the NFL world, Max, congratulations. Tush Push

stays.

Tush Push stays.

Yeah.

I'm happy about it, I guess.

There was a part of me that wanted it to be

so that you could be like

pussies. So that I could call everyone pussies.
Yep. And then

you would still just QB sneak, and I wanted it to be the exact same number. Yeah, Jeffrey Lurie, the owner of the Eagles, said,

it is like a wet dream for a teenage boy to create a play that is so

successful, the only way for it to be stopped is for it to be banned. You can't ban wet dreams.
No. That was a little weird, Max.

He's absolutely right. Is it like a wet dream?

The teenage boy part was i don't know why you had to include that do you think jeffrey lurie teenage boys are the ones who get wet dreams do you think jeffree lurie has has come to the tush push he's not a teenage boy that's true yeah he's not a teenage boy yeah when was the last time you had a wet dream uh i don't know they fucking i posting they the fact that you just stop having wet dreams sucks they rock yeah it's it's vr

it's better than vr it is dude i i love that dude is like this is sick the reports were that the tush push was going to be banned, so then Jeff Lurie was like, fuck it. I'm going to go all in.

I'm going to invite Jason Kelsey, and I'm going to stand up in front of this room of owners and talk to them about coming in my bed sheets.

And then Jason Kelsey is going to bring it home by getting up there and probably sweating and crying. And it worked.

Reading behind the scenes in this, it's actually very funny how the Tush Push proposal came to be. Because it's a Roger Goodell thing.
Yeah.

It's Goodell, and it has nothing to do with player safety, despite what Hank thinks. It's just the fact that it's an ugly play, according to Roger Goodell.

He's like, it's kind of a gross play, so I'm going to ask the Packers, who don't have an owner. Yeah, we snuffed that out.

They were not like the Packers, they were like, oh, yeah, they can't blame one of the Packers owners. They don't have any.

Yeah, so Roger Goodell wanted to change this rule because he thought it's an ugly... What he doesn't understand, the Tush Bush is an ugly play, but it's got a great personality.
Yeah.

And he doesn't get that. PFT, do you kind of wish that the Commanders had not voted to ban it? Because the Bears Bears voted to ban it.
I kind of wish they hadn't.

I did not know what the vote breakdown was. Not only did the Bears vote to ban it.
Yeah, Ben Johnson likes explosive plays. Ben Johnson plays.
He likes explosive plays. Such a fucking hard time.

What did he say? He said that the tush push has never led to an explosive play. I like explosive plays.
First downs are explosive plays. Yeah, that's true.

Yeah,

I looked at it really quickly because I was like, well, let's see. Yeah.

I think in this room, we're the two teams that voted to ban it. Well, Kraft changed his mind.
I think Kraft is one of the ones ones that switched up at the last minute.

I think the Patriots switched up at the last minute.

I think it's because Kraft likes to stick it to Goodell sometimes, and Vrabel was probably like, hey, we're going to be pussies if we vote. No, Vrabel's a football guy.
Well, also,

there's a chance that when Jeffrey Lurie started talking about coming, Kraft was like, yeah. Yeah.
I'm in. I hear you.
Wet dreams?

Wet dreams? Say less. You're speaking my language.

Say less, Amigo.

Yeah, no. Listen, Max.
If I could have had the vote for the Bears, I would have voted for it to not be banned. I've been consistent.
I don't think it should be banned.

People should just get a tush push. PFT has been playing this thing that it's like,

I don't want it banned.

If I could pick, I would choose for it not to be banned. But then he was like, but if it does get banned, that would be cool.
Find me a clip of me saying I want to vanish.

I've been the most consistent person. I'm not sure if you're a vote for PFT.
Yeah, point view.

You're in his division. You have to vote against it.
Yeah, whatever you want. Yeah.
No, no, you have to ban it. I I thought Lincoln was going to channel it.

Diana. No, my.
Oh, yeah, Diana did report it was going to get banned in the morning. Well, I think some of those votes may change.
She must make you really happy.

That's like a wet dream for me. I didn't even know that, by the way.
Memes just kept telling me. He's like, are you going to bring up Diana?

You stalk her.

You stalk her in the hopes that one of the things that you read from her might be kind of wrong. Yeah.
The good news is.

This one was wrong. The good news for all of this, I cannot wait till we get to do do this all again next year.
It's going to be great. We're going to do the whole thing.
That was another thing.

The only team that

voted for it to stay that is on the Eagles schedule this year is the Lions. Every other team that voted for it to stay is not on the Eagles schedule.

Yeah, I mean, the best case that you can make for banning the tush push is so that we don't have to talk for another year about whether or not they're going to ban the tush push. Because it's coming.

We're going to do it again. Also, just respected Dan Campbell.
Yeah. Just that, like, everyone, it's like, oh, yeah, only the teams that, only the teams that don't play.

And then it's like, no, Dan Campbell's like, this is football. Yeah.

Who's the owner?

Sheila Ford, I think, I believe now. Yeah.
Probably

was like, hey, how do we want to vote on this, Dan? And he's just like, we're not pussies. Yeah.
That's probably not fucking pussies. That probably happened.
He probably said it like, he's like, Ms.

Ford, respectfully, we're not fucking pussies. It is.

It is an ugly play if you don't appreciate the beauty that you can find in gross stuff sometimes. Yeah.
That's a which I can't. There's also more NFL news, Brock Purdy.
Yeah. Got paid.

I feel like we missed that. He got paid.
It was that like last week. I think it was a couple days ago, but the details are coming out now.
Oh.

And the only thing you can, like, you can look at that contract definitively, you can say he is the highest paid Brock of all time. Yeah.
Number one. Wow.
Yeah. More than more than Lesnar.

Really? Yeah. In his career? I don't.
The UFC didn't really pay fighters. But what about WWE? And what about Monte? Oh, I didn't think about.
Yeah. I didn't think about WWE.
He's made a lot of money.

I don't know.

Maybe he hasn't. I think this might be the highest paid Brock of all time.
This was like a week ago, by the way. Yeah, I know.
It was so long ago, I forgot. Yeah, we totally missed it.

I was like, what? Okay. Yeah, I mean, we should have brought it up at the time.
You know what it was? I think it happened on a Friday night. Actually, I know it did.

It happened on a Friday at 4:04 p.m. That's not on us.

Definitively, not on us.

That's old news. Yep.
Look at that. Friday.

We got the Friday news dump. And it also was that Monday was

that guy.

What? What guy? What happened on that? It was the Hank episode.

What happened in the Hank episode?

Oh, right, right.

So I guess what happened today was

he gave a press conference about his contract. He was like, well, the Tatum injury, it's like, yeah, we had a healthy Tatum.
We were down nine with three minutes left.

Next could have easily blown that. Whatever.
We're not talking about this.

We're not talking about it. We're not talking about that.
This is a meme, meme, memes. You could do this one where it's just the Pacers logo on that guy's head in Walmart.
You're not that guy, pal.

Pacers, I mean, the Pacers. That's the Pacers thing.
That's the Pacers. Yeah, and we did it to the Pacers last year.
Whatever.

We moved on. Brock, whatever.

Do you know his name? I was about to say Lesnar.

Okay.

Talk a little puck.

That was brutal for the Oilers.

They gave up five goals in the third. It felt like the Stars just like hung around, hung around, get power plays, then just bury them.
Yeah, and it is a lot of fun watching Conor McDavid play. Yeah.

That's what I got from that take. I also got from that take, respect to the Stars

fans and crowd. That crowd was awesome.
They were standing so much during that game, and it just looked like an awesome, awesome time. So

I think that's that. Oilers got to win game two.
They've got to win game two. It's a must win.

And then the Panthers are going to win the cup. I put the Panthers in the Thunder category.

Panthers. They just fucking worked the Hurricanes again.

I saw Biz say that, or no, I think it was Whitney said that the Panthers dominating like this probably makes Lee's fans feel a little bit better. Yeah.
It makes Capitals fans feel a lot worse. Yeah.

They're just... punishing the hurricanes, and it doesn't look competitive at all.
Yeah, like I think the Panthers have already played their toughest series. Yeah.

Good job, Lee. She were very close.

Until the finals. Maybe not.

Maybe they're just that good. They might be.
Yeah.

They are.

They had an injury tonight. I forget who got injured, but Aho dove into somebody's leg and looked like an MCL.
And Bob is locked in.

Locked in. I just love goalie Bob.
That's your goalie, Bob. Bob.
Bob.

Do we have anything else before we get to our great interview with Dwayne Wade?

Oh, college football playoff changes their seating.

I think we expected that, right? Expected that. Makes sense.

It's funny because I think that that wouldn't have happened if it weren't for Boise. Yeah.
Boise kind of just did that on their own right away.

So because Boise, you know, the fact that there weren't four higher-ranked Power 5 programs last year, and then Boise was like, oh, I guess we get the buy.

And everyone was just like, this can't happen. Yep.
They did just like, it was going to happen eventually. Boise just expedited the process of being like, Hey, we get a buy.

I think if it had been in the regular, the old format, but it had gone more true to like Power Schools getting the first-round home playoff games.

If that had happened for like four years and then Boise State in year five, they get the home playoff game, then everyone's like, Fuck yeah, this is awesome. Yeah, right.

What a bunch of chaos. I actually

is this going to sound crazy.

A buy is always more important,

but

and Arizona State was the other team. A buy is always more important, but like losing a

home playoff game, those did rock, and they're probably like pretty big money maker. For fans,

I think it's better to have a home playoff game because

if you play someone shitty, it's like you just beat up on someone else. Yeah, right.
They should just do the second round.

At home as well. That would be awesome.
That would be so sick. I think they have to deal with the Bulls.
Yeah, they do. I know they do.
So

that's going to be tough. Yeah.

Okay, do we have anything else? I think that was pretty much everything.

Scheduled for next week. So we got a show on Tuesday.
Tuesday and Friday. So no show Monday.
Yep. We do love you guys, but we're respecting the troops this weekend.
Have to respect the troops. Yep.

Have to do it.

We are going to be working on Monday. Yeah, we'll be here Monday night recording a show.
Yeah.

Recapping everything. Oh, I had one other thing.
It was a shout shout out to SMU.

They posted, I don't know if you guys saw this, they posted a bragging tweet about their team GPA being the high it's ever been. Hell yeah.
What do you guys think it was?

This is a tweet they said, like, congratulations. SMU, what? 2-3.
It's football. 2-3.

No, this is a congratulatory, the highest

semester. This semester marks the highest full semester GPA in program history.
2-4. I think it's 2-5.
It's actually higher than that. 2-9-5.
Okay.

That's what I got in college. Yeah.
Yeah. But I feel like you can't brag if you're not over three.

No, you can't. To be like, this is the highest ever.
I think if you're SMU, you can. A lot of players.
Yeah. A lot of players.
They killed our team because we were so dumb.

They were in the playoff last year, remember, for like

three minutes? I don't even know. That game was over.
So remember the SMU

flight? Was it SMU Clemson? Who did it? No, no, it was Penn State.

Remember there was the famous

viral flight where they got delayed, like big-time SMU donors, and they didn't get there until halftime? Yeah. It's like, why would you even just turn the fucking plate around?

What are you looking at, memes? Me and memes are struggling to believe that PFT only got a 2-9 at JMU. It's a good struggle.
I feel like

you're smart. Yeah, I didn't really do much.
College is a...

It's not like a test of intelligence, it's just whether you like went to the class or not. And I did, that's true.
I didn't really like going to class that much. That's fair.
fair.

I had two classes that I liked to go to, and that's pretty much it. One of which I got a D plus in, and I was pumped about that.
That is sick.

Not a great college student.

Respect. Yeah.
Hank?

I had a 2-3 in high school. Fuck you.
Nice. Good work.
Get into SMU. I feel like SMU is a pretty hard school to get into.
Well, yeah.

It's less about your test scores and more about your credit scores. Ah.
Yeah. One of those.
Uh-huh. One of those.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very, very special guest. In studio, it is...
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I think you might be one of the most accomplished people that's ever sat on that couch. So I just want to say that's a start.
Thank you for coming in.

We also have the Larry O'Brien trophy sitting in between us. Yeah, yeah.
When you see this trophy,

do you feel like maybe you got another year left? Like, hey, I want another one of those. Maybe join a playoff team late? Well, first of all, thanks for the four very.
Yes. The VVV, I feel like.

I appreciate that.

No, I have my own. You know what I mean? It's like seeing someone else's kid and think you need another kid.
I don't need

three of them. You see all the work that goes into that, raising one of these.
Yeah,

I've raised three of them already. Wait, do you have a favorite kid? Trophy I'm talking about? Yeah, I do.
Which one?

My firstborn. 2006.
Okay. All right.
That's my favorite one. Yeah.
That was a good one. That was really good.
The refs really got involved in that series. I mean, that's what they're supposed to do.

Protect the product, baby. Protect the product.

When you won that first one, I mean, that was early in your career.

Did you, I'm always curious with this, like, did you feel a little bit of relief being like, all right, I, you know, because there's guys guys who go their whole career and they're chasing, chasing, chasing.

Not that you relax a little, but you're like, I know I can do it and I'll get another one, but it might take a little time, but at least I got that one. 1,000%.
Yeah.

Oh, I was probably annoying as hell to my friends.

Right after the championship in 06, LeBron had a bike-a-thon in Cleveland, and I was there. You don't go to Cleveland for a bike-a-thon after you win a championship.
You go somewhere else.

I was like, no, I want to show up.

And I knew Mello was going to be there. I knew my guy was going to be there.

I want them to see that i was a champion yeah and they didn't have a championship yet like we were you know we were obviously all young but um yeah getting that first one out the way i was 24 years old you know i was i came in you know a little bit unheralded compared to the class that i was in and to be able to get that chip that chip very early yeah i was like okay all right now i got that out the way now i can focus on like my individual self a little bit yeah i can get a little selfish yeah go out to some awards and um but then after a couple years i was like okay this sucks you need another one yeah because now I've actually felt what it feels like to host that trophy over my head.

And so now it actually made it worse for my whole career because now I'm chasing that

feeling because nothing else feels like that, no matter what I do.

You see other guys doing it, you're like, you get jealous. So jealous.
Like you're not doing it right. No.
I need to do that again. In that postseason, it felt like

it was just like a team of destiny. When that shot went in where you were just falling through the air, threw it over the back of your head and went in.

At that point, I was like, okay, he's going to win a championship. Really? Yeah, of course.
I mean, I wish you could have got in touch with me and let me know.

That shot doesn't go in for somebody that's not going to end up winning. Did you, have you ever practiced that shot? Or were you just like, I'm just going to throw it up? No, no.

So I practice dumb shots all the time. Like, I'm a firm believer in

the moments where you're just in the gym by yourself. It's like, really, really use your imagination.

Like, this is the time to just do all the dumb stuff because you never know when you're going to need it. And so I personally used to under, like, I would fall a lot.

And so I would go in a gym and just like, I find, you know, angles on the backboard. You might hear this in like Kyrie and guys who are very good at it.
I always were like, yo, if I'm getting

in a point where I'm like in trouble, I need to be able to find a crack on the backboard that gives it an opportunity. And so I always used to play with, go in the gym and just play with shots.

And so when I have those moments and I've fallen, I just look at that little spot on the backboard like, oh, that's familiar. Let me put it there.
Yeah. Yeah.
And it works out sometimes.

Was that the year that Shaq gave you the nickname Flash? Yeah.

Wait, I think he gave it to me in 05, the first year.

We won in our second year together. 05, he gave it to me.

And it was cool because, you know, you need at that time, if you didn't have a nickname,

you was not cool. Yeah.
Like, everybody had a nickname who was like a really good player. And I didn't have one.
Like, Dwayne Wade was not cool enough. Well, D-Wade is cool.

Well, I worked hard to make D-Wade like one name. It was like you had to have one name, like Magic.
Yeah. Shaq.
Yeah. Kobe,

Michael, or MJ, whatever. You needed one name.
So D-Way became my one name, but I also needed that alter ego. Yeah.
Right. And Shaq kind of helped develop Superman and Flash.
So

when he gave that to you, though, were you like, hey, wait a second, you're Superman? Can I be Superman? No, absolutely not. Okay.
So you're okay being

there. I know he is, but like, you know, there's always the debate, like, who's taking the last shot, who's Batman, who's Robin.
You're like, I'll be Flash. I'm Flash.

Well, we didn't have that problem.

Not at all? No. Well, I mean, yeah, you're taking the last shot.
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. You didn't have that problem.
Yeah, other people might have had that problem. Shaq already had, like, when he, once I got the easier part of Shaq, like, he already had went through.

He was the biggest, one of the biggest stars in the world. He had three championships.
Like, he was so accomplished and secure by the time he got to Miami.

And all he wanted to do was win him another ring. And so he knew that I was one of the ones that can help him get to that.
And so he was amazing with me, man.

Like, he really pumped a lot of juice into me, was telling me things that I didn't even know was true. Like, he told me like I was going to be one of the greatest two guards to ever play the game.

And I'm sitting here looking at him like, okay, if you think so, then, you know, I know you play with Penny. I know you played with Kobe.
And so if you say that, then I believe it, right?

So Shaq was incredible with me, man. Yeah.
So where would you rank the nicknames between Flash, D-Wade, and then Way of Wade? Remember Way of Wade? Well, it's still popping. Is it still popping?

Yeah, we still got Way of Wade. Where? Wave of Wade? Where is it popping? Listen, I got on Way of Wade shoes right now.
I remember when you said, hey, hey, guys, this is my new nickname.

Just a heads up. It's Way of Wade was WoW.
Yeah, please call me Way of Wade from now on.

It was branding. It was branding.
Yeah, Way of Wade is my brand. And in Le Ning, I have my own brand called Way of Wade.

Actually, I'm wearing D'Angelo Russell Shoes. We just launched these.
And so Way of Wade is still a thing. Okay, I love it.
Yeah. I love it.
I was trying to make WoW a thing, though.

I was trying to have people call me WoW, which is

Way of Wade, W-O-W. WoW is a good nickname.
Yeah. So I was trying.

So when Chapp comes over and he starts playing Miami, I know that Pat Riley and The Heat are famous for some of their conditioning rules.

Was that an adjustment period for him where it's like, hey,

we're going to weigh you in. We're going to take body fat measurements all the time.
Oh, man. Shaq, I think, you know, Shaq tells a lot of stories now.

So it was really cool to be able to get behind the scenes. But watching him trying to get around those...

Like, he'll put baby oil on his whole body, right? He'd come in just oiled up. I don't even know about that.
This is the room temperature in the world to use baby oil. No, that's fine.
Sorry.

He got oiled up. Yeah.
Shaq would come in so you could not like grab the fat. Like, it was too slip, right? So you couldn't, like, just grab it all, right?

You know, like the pinchers, the skin calipers? Yeah, or you'll see guys in like Antoine Walker and the guys would be in the steam. Now, I'm young, so I didn't have these issues at that time.

I didn't know, I didn't understand it. But now, once I got older, I did.
But you see the veteran guys finding all these ways around the weight and body fat.

Guys would be in the steam room right before they got to do the weight and body fat,

doing all these things. But yeah, I've saw guys get suspended for games because they did not make weight and body fat.
Like Pat didn't play those games at all. That's crazy.

So even you, when you were unquestionably the face of the franchise, you'd have to do that every single day?

It wasn't every day. It was like once a week.
It was once a week you would come in, you had to get weight and body fat.

So if you build a good relationship with Bill Ferrand, who was our strength and conditioning coach, you'd be like, yo, Bill, get me on Wednesday.

Let me get myself tight for a couple of days. But it was something serious.
And I think, you know, Pat just have these pillars, you know, that the organization, you know, lives by.

And you guys guys probably have heard it, best condition, most professional, hardest work, all these things. And this is a part of it.

And he felt that if you were at a certain body fat, he had it for guards, you know, and forwards and centers, that you were in great shape.

And if you're in great shape, then you can give me your best on the court. Right.
And I, you know, I don't think I believed it early on until it was times where I was not at that body fat.

space and I wasn't in great shape. And you feel it in moments on the court.
You feel it in those moments. You You can't make that extra effort.

Fourth quarter, you're a little bit, you know, you're a little bit more tired. And so it was a method to the madness, but I think as players, you're like, nah, just give me the ball.
I can hoop.

I'm a hooper. Just let me play.
Yeah, we have that here at Barcelona, too. They weigh us in body fat.
Yeah. If we're in too good of shape, they don't let us podcast.

You got to be fat. Yeah, you're too chiseled.
All right. So the story you told

maybe a couple months ago, which we laughed about, we thought it was incredible, the LeBron and the cookies. So do you really think that it was the cookies that was the final straw?

I did not say it was the cookies that was the final straw. That's what we took from it.

Everybody took that straw. Steal another man's cookie.
And for the record, we're on LeBron's side. Oh, yeah.
You touch someone's cookies. That's that's fighting.

I just said that was the first time that I was like, Houston, we have a problem. Okay, so the story goes LeBron brings cookies with him every single time he gets on the plane.

Well, sometimes, but the plane will have cookies as well. Okay.
So he's double cooking. Well, sometimes he brings it, but this is after a game.
This is on the road after a game. They make the cookies.

Got it. Like, Like, you can bring it when you're at home and you're about to go on a road.
But when you're on a plane, after, you know, on a road trip, they make the cookies on a plane.

And so, you know, you kind of, you have to have your comforts. When you, this is a long season.
So we all have our vices.

We all have the things that makes, you know, that makes us feel comfortable, especially when you're not at home with your comforts. You got to have those things.
Well, cookies. I'm one of those guys.

Love me some warm chocolate chip cookies. And that was one of Brian's vices as well.

And so I told the story about the moment we were, you know, we all would get in front of a plane and we all would play cards, you know, gambling and playing cards, boret, and it's poker and all these things is a big part of like camaraderie on the plane when you're flying.

And that was one of the moments when they didn't, when they

said someone took the cookies off the plane. I got a lot of text messages from that, by the way.
A lot of people was hitting me telling me their version of the story.

And I'm like, I was actually there. Yeah.
This is my version. I just saw it in Brian.
Like he became like a five-year-old kid when them cookies weren't on that plane.

He got real quiet, pushed them cards away.

And I was like, oh, this is, that's not good. Yeah.

You know, it's the nick picking. Yeah.
It's the nick picking of thing. Like, we're, we were one of the greatest teams.
We went to four finals in a row. Don't take my cookies away from me.
Right.

Right.

Something. Right.
And what it was confirmed it was Pat Riley that took the cookies? Well, listen, Pat Riley, it's Pat Riley's show. Right.
I don't care who took the cookies.

It had to come. The cookies don't get touched if Pat Riley doesn't say anything.
In my eyes, everything comes from Pat. It doesn't matter.
Pat is the he's the beginning and the end. Right?

And so you're goddamn right. It comes from the beginning and the end in my eyes.
And so

that was just the first moment. And that wasn't, LeBron didn't leave the heat because he didn't get warm chocolate chip cookies.
But it's the things that, you know, when it comes to the nitpicking,

you know, and like the wild, when you're around each other for so long. And, you know, you've accomplished the things you came to accomplish.
And you're around each other for so long.

Everything is not as funny as it used to be. Everyone is not as cool as they once was.

And so once you start having these little things that start adding up and it starts building up, you start seeing it on a player. It starts seeing it wear on them.

And I just saw, I just saw him and I was like, oh, boy. Yeah.

Was there a moment, though, after that where you're like, all right, I think he's definitely leaving. Like, could you feel it?

Not really. It ain't like he wore it on his sleeve.
Yeah.

You know, LeBron keeps them cards close to his chest.

I didn't really feel that my guy was leaving until we were in Vegas,

you know, before he left. We went to Vegas.
He hosted his Nike camp, you know, big camp. We all went to Vegas to kind of go hang out and, you know, be guys.

And I could tell that he had a lot on his mind and there were some things he wanted to say that he was not saying.

But I just waited for him to tell me. You know, I wanted him to go to him, like, bro, you out? Yeah.

I could tell that I'm sure it was a hard decision for him, and I'm sure it was hard to tell, you know, me and other guys. And so I just waited.

You know, I waited for him to have that conversation, you know, with me.

You know, but ultimately, we had to have the conversation just like we did to team up. We had the conversation.
Yeah. So on the other side, the team up, when did you know that was going to happen?

Because there were certain teams.

I'm a Bulls fan. I was like, oh, I think they might come to the Bulls.
I think the Knicks felt the same way. Was it always the heat? Was it you were just leading everyone else on?

Well, I think the one thing is, is Chris Bosch was, Chris Boss is in Toronto, right?

And so once Chris Boss got a chance to come out here and get, you know, everybody was like throwing flowers at his feet.

He wavered a couple of times on, like, we didn't know if he was going to be a part of, you know, the opportunity for us to play together. Right.

And I think the Heat did a great job of keeping, once again, their cards close to their chest because we knew going into that summer that each team that was in position can get two star players, that everyone wanted two star players.

And then the Heat came out of nowhere. It was like, hey.
we can get three. And so I think it changed something for us.
We all had a conversation about it.

And, you know, we realized we would like to play together, but at the same time, but go off and do what you need to do. Go have these interviews with these teams.

And if something changes, then let's come back to the table. So it wasn't 100%, but it was a conversation that we had going into a free agency.
Like, hey, we will all love to play together

and this and that. And then, but also, too, you got to go off and you got to see what's best for you.
But ultimately, we would love to play together.

And it was times where, like, you know, we, me and Brian get on the phone, like, I think Chris, I don't know if Chris gonna, I don't know if he gonna, the Knicks telling him everything.

The bulls telling him everything he wants to hear. I don't know if he gonna, if he's gonna play in Miami, and also too, with Bron, too.
I didn't know because I'm not in his meetings, right?

And with me, when I came to Chicago and I, I got a chance to go in there and grab that Chicago Bulls jersey, I was back at home in the mirror, like, and now,

you know what I mean? Like, I went back to that kid from Chicago. So I think it was a moment where all of us was like, we probably wavered in our thought of like, man, this looks good for me.

Even though we had the conversation about playing together, and that was, and that, and people think it was like two years before, it was not. It It was like three years.
Yeah, it was not.

Don't give us that much credit.

How long for real? Was it like... It was free agency time.
But before free agency, there was at least a little wink and a nod like, hey, it'd be cool to play together. Nope.

Was there a third option if Chris Bosch didn't come to Miami? Would that you guys had talked to or explore?

Well, I mean, people, once people started getting a little

inside that we were thinking about playing together, you know, we got a couple calls. So we would get calls from Amari was a free agent.
Yeah.

boozer was a free agent and so we had to look and see if those personalities and those talents if it obviously worked with us right um because i think it was a brown and i were both committed to playing together once we committed to playing together um and it was really important who that third person was and we knew all along that if we were going to do this that chris boss was the choice the choice

he was it wasn't it he wasn't like a another it was another option from the standpoint of this is our first option just because of our talents already together was it was it was hard envision how we're both gonna be successful at the same time because we're both ball dominant guys right and you need somebody else to kind of like relieve that and chris boss was the reliever in that for us more than like amari or more than even boozer at the time i would have loved to hear boozer's pitch was he like it's okay i i got this don't worry i'm not gonna take any shots I don't know.

Brian talked to Boozer. They had already played together in Cleveland.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and I talked to Amari because me and Amari were, you know, we had a cool relationship.

So I actually was trying to get Amari there the year before. I was trying to get Amari to the heat before.
And I didn't think, this was the, what, 2009

all-star weekend. I was trying to get Satra for Amari.
I'm like, listen, let's do it now. Right.
And the heat was like, no, we're trying to be patient.

And so I'm like, all right, well, patient going to get me out the door. Right.
You know, any type thing. And,

you know, and so it didn't work, but like, you know, Amari, Brown, and I, it would have been dominated by the same time. It would have, it's a total different game than Chris Bosch.
Yeah.

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Yeah, can you tell me about how the banana boat crew came together?

You talked to Carmelo about this, by the way. He's, I think he's miffed that he wasn't on the banana boat.
Well, no, he was, he insisted that he was invited. Yes.

We were trying to see, we were telling him when he came on the show, we're like, dude, you didn't get invited. He's like, I was invited.
I just didn't really want to do it.

He said he was too cool for it. He was not involved in the banana boat.

But tell me about how that came to be. You know, the crazy thing about life is it is a photo with the banana boat.
And Carmelo Anthony is not on the photo.

People can look at the photo and still don't care and still say that we all are the banana. Like, I don't know how that name came about with all of us because we all was not on the banana boat.

It was my wife was on the banana boat with us.

And so we were actually all on vacation. We all was going on vacation together.
We would take vacation.

You know, we got together and we was like, hey, man, we want to start taking these little yacht trips together. We was put all our monies together.

We would take our wives, Sniff Canetta, and we would go on vacations together. And so Mello wasn't there yet.
They were actually on their way, like literally like headed to us.

And we were just, you know, having, getting in the water, having fun. And my wife wanted to go on a banana boat.
And so Chris Paul, Brian, I, we all got on the banana boat.

Now we're in the middle of nowhere. No one's supposed to know this but us.
And someone took a photo from who God knows where. I'm so happy they did.

I'd be so mad if we never got down to the bottom. Oh, no one's supposed to have seen us on that banana boat, first of all.
Like, if I'd have knew they were saying, we'd have looked a little cooler.

No, I think it's one of the best pictures of all time. Yeah.
You look at that, and I honestly, when I look at it, I think, like, Carmelo should be there. Yeah, so would he have been invited?

Would he have been invited? No, he was on his way. Yeah, but if he had been there,

would he have been on the banana boat? I don't know if all four of us. I don't know.
I know. I can't.
It seems like a little meme girl thing, not letting Carmelo on the banana boat.

You guys didn't wait for him? I would have waited for my guy. I don't know if all of us would have been.
I don't know if Mello would have got on the banana boat. I don't think Mello would have done.

Mellow too cool. Well, one's got to go.
You got to kick somebody off the banana boat. If you want to kill him.
Right, and I want want kicking my wife off the banana boat.

That's a smart move, smart man. Very smart.
You can't kick Chris Paul. You can't kick Braun off.
So I don't think we would have got a, I don't think it would have been the banana boat.

I think Chris Paul over the edge. Wait, so if you could, if you could go back and delete one CPU.

If you could delete one thing from the internet, would it be the banana boat or would it be the introductory press conference for the heat? Where

the not one, but two, but three, but four. You guys are going to be able to do that.
I don't care about that. Well, it was kind of funny.
Yeah, but it's just jokes. Yeah.

Well, no, you guys were serious. No, it went on you guys.

It was one person who said that. It was everybody once saying that.
It was one person who said not three, not four. No.
What was going through your head when he said not three, not three?

I was like, slow down. There was one point where you're like, oh, shit, this is too many.

Well, first of all, that was one of the things that it's supposed to be internal. That's an internal conversation.
It was a packed, it was a packed audience.

Yeah, but it wasn't supposed to go out to everybody. That's one of those moments that you're not supposed to go out to everybody.
What you say in the house, stay in the house, supposedly.

You know, that's what's been just for us. Now, if we go back, run a clip, look at me when he said it i put my head down like

because i had won a championship before i knew how hard it was to to obviously win the championship so it's no way like yes we thought we were going to be a problem yes we thought we was about to run the table but we also knew the league is very very good and it's not this damn it's not that damn easy so when he was doing a nine one not two we we in the moment right killing ourselves and it became something that people you know took and made it like factuals yeah like we signed a contract and said we're going to win seven championships oh yeah we all i mean everyone made fun of it.

Yeah, but it's cool. It's jokes.
It ain't none of a joke. Because if you, if he had said instead, like, hey, we might win a championship, then you win two.
Everyone's like, holy shit,

they did even better. But when you say you're going to win seven, and then you only win two.
Well, I mean, the Senator Yo Spurs is out there.

First of all, I mean, I don't, I don't think you can't just run through this league. I don't care who you are.
Yeah. You're going to earn it.

And so, you know, there's teams out there that could compete versus us no matter what team we put together.

And also, too, when you put three guys like that together, it's very hard to build a roster, a a full roster. You know, we had to get guys that take so many pay cuts to be able to be on the team.

And so, you know, you don't think about all that. You're just, you're in the moment.
You're thinking about this dynamic. Who's going to stop this dynamic? We amongst our fans.
We feeling ourselves.

And then Brian got a little loose on the mic. He started counting a little extra.
Yeah. You know what I mean? And so once he started going, I was like, oh, okay, well.
Well, you the young boy.

I guess if you said that, we rolling with you because you the one going to, it's about seven. I'm going to be a little old.

Yeah, right, right. Because it ain't going to be seven in a row.
Yeah.

I'm watching the video right now. You do put your head down.
You're like, please stop. Yeah, I put my head down.
I'm like, oh, he don't know. And then the camera pans to Pat Riley in the audience.

He's like, Jesus Christ.

What is he saying? We were talking to Mike Miller the other week, and he said that he felt a lot of pressure because of that. Really?

The role players because they knew if you don't win, it's not the big three that are going to be in trouble, that are going to be gone, but it's everybody around them. Right.

If the role players don't do their job and step up. So it was that.
And then he was also a little bit upset. He never got invited to Bu-ray.
Yeah.

Mike ain't spending none of that money. No, he did say that he's like

none of that money since he got to the NBA. No, but he did say he was like, the pressure of, like, he's like, I was a really good player.

And then I come to the heat and it's like, I have six shots a game and I have to make three or four of them. Like

that kind of pressure.

Did you feel that for the role players where it's like, hey, these guys, even though they aren't asked to do as much, what they're asked to do, they have to be perfect when they're asked to do it.

Listen, we don't, you don't, LeBron, D-Way, and Chris Bosch don't get together in their prime to not have pressure. Right.
This is what, hey, this is what we hear, folks, everybody.

If you're not, if you ain't signing up for this, then don't sign up here.

At this point, once you're just playing in the NBA and you're playing games and you're going home first round or regular season,

I want to feel something.

I want something. I want to be a part of something that's just really bigger than me.
And that's what we signed up for. And so if you signed up to play with the Miami Heat, you signed up for pressure.

that's where you feel alive. We wanted to feel alive.
And so we welcomed the pressure, right?

You want to see how you respond and how you, how you, can you succeed in the middle of in the midst of this pressure? And so I loved it. You know, I didn't mind.

And if somebody didn't, if some, you can see the ones who will weed themselves out when it came to the pressure moments. But Mike was, man, Mike was a gamma.
Mike didn't have no thumbs.

Mike didn't have no toes. Like Mike was the, he was injured all the time when he played with us.
I felt bad for him, man, because Mike can play.

That was one of the guys that Brian really wanted on the team. Like, Brian wanted Mike.
I wanted UD. These are the guys who was like, hey, this don't work without this guy and that guy.

And so we made sure, and they also made sure by taking the pay cuts that they were there. Yeah.
Speaking of UD, he seems like the best locker room guy ever.

Like a nice veteran presence to have around.

How long did he play for? Until he was 42 years old? We played 20. Yeah, he played 20 years with the heat.
I think he was 42 years old when he retired from the game.

And he was on the heat for a long long time, not really playing that much, but just being a presence in the locker room.

What was his role in the locker room on some of those teams? Well, he's the culture carrier. You know what I mean? He's the voice.
And when UD say something, everybody listen.

I don't care what stature, what care if you're averaging 30, 40 points a game, when you D stand up and say something, you're going to listen. And also, too, he ran Miami.
So, you know,

you couldn't go nowhere without

people tapping on your shoulder. And you know, as UD, UD got eyes on you.
Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But

it's just certain people that just have your respect. And

it ain't about what they're accomplishing this. It's about what they do every day.
He's an everyday guy.

And you respect the guy to come and give everything they have to get every ounce out of their ability every day. And, you know, and don't bitch and moan about it.
Just go about his business.

Put his hard head on. And so he's the guy.
And we all respected him, man. Brian respected him just as much as I did.
Pat Rowley respected him just as much as anybody.

And so, you know, on the outside, when people say, you know, anything about UD, on the inside, you understand that he's one of the most important voices that Miami Heat has ever had in the organization.

Yeah. Yeah.
And if I ever become a coach, which I won't be, he'd be on my staff. Yeah.
Go get him.

You never want a coach? I mean, you see these contracts? I don't know. Listen, never know.
Yeah, I mean, Mike Jirettics showed you go podcasting to being a coach. We could be coaches.

I mean, that's all it takes. You got a good podcast.
If you think so. The thing is, getting fired as a coach is actually kind of sweet.
Fire me. Yeah.

Give me that five years and then let me go out to two. yeah hang out getting paid not to work that's what we all work towards i'll go find myself

yeah and i'll just go be like an offensive analyst for one of my friends no it's a miserable job though you think so oh if you care when did you when did you know speaking of coaches when did you know spo was special because i think that was an interesting dynamic of you guys having that team and like Spolstra's a younger coach, and there was definitely the murmur of like, is Pat Riley going to do it again?

Is he going to come back down? No, we didn't want that. Yeah.
But was there a moment where you're like, okay,

I feel like he's got this. I know he's got this.

I mean,

I was a star player when Spo got his first head coaching job. And so, you know, I was there alone, the bumps and the bruises of a first-time coach, right?

But about time Brown and them came to Miami, I think he was about two, three years on the job.

You saw the big improvement, you know, as a coach. And like, you know, he was very, he had his strengths right away.
And his strengths was you're going to be prepared, right?

He's, his preparation is incredible. His work ethics is off the chart.
But there's a lot of other things that go into coaching besides that.

And then by the time Brown came, he was a little bit better at it. And then, you know, after we lost in that finals, he went down and started reinventing himself.

You know, Spole is one of those guys that will go into football locker rooms and other sports to see some of the other great coaches, what they're doing, how they're involving.

And he started, you start seeing his involvement. He started evolving every year as a coach.
And I mean, obviously, he's one of the greatest now.

But when he first got the job, I was like, what are we doing? Yeah. Who is this?

And I had a great relationship with Spo. He was the guy who helped me with my game early on.
He was my workout guy.

You know, he was in the video room and he'd come up and help me work out out the practice. So we had a great relationship, but then he got handed the head coaching job.

And I'm like, wait, wait, what are we doing? Right.

And then, you know, but to see his work ethics, to see the staff that was put around him, shout out to David Fisdell, Keith Ashtons, like these tough guys, Ronnie Ronstein, like they put a good staff around him and allow him to grow, make mistakes.

You have to have that. You cannot bring a young coach in and fire him within the first three years.

You have to give them space and time to learn how to be a coach, especially in the professional league. And so Spo has that, and he had that with Pat.
And so he wasn't going anywhere.

Pat let everybody know that you will get out of here before he leaves. Well, now he got time to become a great coach because

he is comfortable sitting in his seat, but he works his tail off. Nobody works harder than Spolstra.
Yeah. I'm interested to know about

that heat team in the first couple of years because it really is fascinating that you've got all these superstars, superstars that have been the man in their own right.

Everywhere they've played, it's been, you are the best player on this team. You are the key to this franchise.
You get together.

And I think in theory, you guys are like, Yeah, we know that it's going to take sacrifice. We know what it's going to be like to maybe take a back seat in certain points of the game or whatever.

But then once reality hits you, you start playing the games, that becomes a different story where you're now figuring out how to be a team on the fly.

Like, what was that like feeling each other out for like, okay, here's how it's going to work in this situation. Here's where I take a step back.

Here's where I'm the man that's going to take the last shot.

What was that like, especially in that first season as you guys were all kind of figuring out what's going on? Yeah, I mean,

it was so tough. It's so easy to say words.

I think we all know that. It's easy to say something.

You know, I'm all in, coach. Okay, what does all in mean? Are you really all in?

Do you understand what it's going to take? I think when I look at that first year,

think about it, we all coming from competing versus each other to be the very best in this game. We were still competing versus each other, even though we were teammates.

Not in a bad way, just like, all right, Brian, you didn't score sixth straight. Now I'm about to score sixth straight.
All right, D, you didn't did that. Chris Barrel's like, let me get in the mix.

So we were still, we still had that competitiveness amongst each other, trying to learn how to play together and be teammates, right?

And then after we lost in the finals, that's humbling. We all was very, we all got some humble pie very quickly.
And we realized if this was going to work, then we had to do this a little different.

And so you saw in that second year, you saw us come back a total different team with a total different mindset that we actually started believing the stuff that

we said we was going to do. But it, it takes time.

This doesn't just happen when you snap your fingers and say, I want it to happen. It took a little time for it.

It It took us one year to lose and to get humbled in front of the world and everybody to be, if it was podcast all at the time, we would have been the number one topic.

Oh, you would have said some very mean stuff. Oh, yeah.

It was a very nasty thing said about us at that time. But outside of that, man, we had a goal.
We sacrificed a lot to be able to play together. And so we had to accomplish that.

It was no other answer. We had to accomplish this goal.
And our goal was to win, not just to get there.

And so we came back in year two and we started actually believing the things that we said the models that we would say the things that we would say to the media the things we would say to each other we started believing it because you start seeing sacrifice among guys amongst guys we weren't sacrificing at first we were hooping and we were very good at it but it takes sacrifice to especially have that much talent and to be able to have all that work together right you got to give up shots you got to give up your body you got to give up minutes you got to do all these things that you don't want to do and it's easy to say it and it's harder to do and so we had to allow coach coach to coach us a little bit, right?

We had to allow ourselves to like Brian had to allow me to coach him. I had to allow him to coach me.

It was a lot that we had to learn about each other from that first year to that second year, but ultimately, we needed to win and we wanted to win, and we were going to figure it out. And so we did.

Is there one play or one game in particular that shows the evolution? Like year two, this is how, this is when we knew we had it figured out. Um,

I mean, right away, yeah. Go to the first game.
We figured it out. Like, coming back, we had a, think about it.
It was an um, we had a long golse.

Think about losing the championship and then having a, uh, we had an NBA lockout. Yeah, that sucked because all you want to do is get right back to it.
But we had a long offseason to think about this.

And so first game was in Christmas Day in Dallas. We came, I think we won by like 40 on that, on that day.
We came in with the mentality right away in training camp.

The first year in training camp, we were still,

we were still against each other, right? We still was trying to show that we all, we all some bad boys. We came back in that second year and we was trying to become a team.

We were trying to show that we could play together.

And, you know, I think we all felt it right away. And, you know, give credit to LeBron.
You know, LeBron came back a different player than he was.

I mean, what we started seeing of LeBron in those next couple years was

one of the greatest runs we've ever seen when it comes to, you know, professional athlete. And so he came back an even better player that put all of us in our roles and our positions a little bit.

Yeah.

Speaking of LeBron, let's just say sometimes he looks like he's injured. Maybe, I'm not going to say flopping.

Was there ever a time where you're like, oh, shit, he's actually injured, and then he pops up and he's fine?

We didn't deal with none of that in Miami. Okay, so you.
He's spraying his angry tie shoes up. We go.
Okay, but there was never a time like, oh, no, this actually might be the end here.

He might actually be hurt. Not in Miami.
Okay. No.
But what about when you're in Cleveland?

Not in Miami. Okay.
Okay. Not in Miami.
That's a good answer. Not in Miami.
I'm focused on the years we've... Not in Miami.
Cleveland, I was a shell of myself. That don't even count.

Yeah, by the way, you still, even though you weren't, you know, prime D-Wade, you still are the best D-Wade in Cleveland Cavaliers history because I think I looked it up and Dean Wade had like five points per game.

You average 11 points per game. So for the Cavs.
And listen,

every time I watch a Cav game and I hear them say D-Wade, it's crazy to be a little bit more. A little flashback.
Yeah, no, it's crazy.

I laugh every time that it's another D-Wade, and he's so different from my

different complexion for sure. Yes.

But I think it's kind of cool, too, when I watch him. I'm like, oh, it's still a D-Wade.
Yeah. Yeah.

As a Bulls fan, as a lifelong Michael Jordan fan, you've said on the record many times, Michael Jordan's your GOAT. He's the best.
Did you have to lie to LeBron about that when he was in Miami?

We're like, I don't know. I guess we'll find out.
You're still playing. No, we don't have conversations.
You guys don't sit around.

We weren't talking about him being the GOAT and seven, eight years into the league.

Like, I mean, you know, what he's arguably, he's put together a career that will make us, that will make sports conversations talk forever about who's the GOAT.

That's what he's, it's not many people that can have that conversation to say that you will argue about who's the GOAT forever. I can't have that conversation.

And so, I've, what I did is, I didn't get a chance to see Michael Jordan play. I was inspired by Michael Jordan, right? I grew up in Chicago.

I played the game of basketball because I saw Michael Jordan play the game of basketball.

And so, my vision of it is so different, but I got a chance to watch that guy, LeBron James, up close and personal. And I've never seen a better basketball player in my life.

You know, and so I think, you know, the GOAT conversation is what does that even mean to you? It doesn't mean anything. It's something that we talk about in media.

That's something you talk about in the middle of summer. Everyone talks about it, not just in media.
Like everybody on the street come up to you and they be like, hey, who's the GOAT?

You're like, bro, you seven. Yeah.
Like, why does this matter to you? Who's the GOAT? Wait, what do you say? What do you say? What do you tell them? What do you say? They ask me.

He's a seven-year-old, seven-year-old. I asked them, well, who's your GOAT? It doesn't matter who's my GOAT.
I'm 43 years old. I I grew up in Michael Jordan era.
I played with LeBron James.

I can pick anyone I want. It doesn't matter.
My vision of playing a game of basketball came from Michael Jordan.

The silhouette, the thing about when it comes to, I think when it comes to the GOAT is like, you got to have the perfect height. You got to have the perfect form.

It's all these things that go on. The GOAT is not just.

the stats that you put on the court and the championships you win when people talk about the goat. It's the stories that people tell about you.
It's all these things when it comes to being the GOAT.

And so that's the era I grew up in. But LeBron James is arguably a GOAT.
He's the GOAT. He's a GOAT to generations.

But the generation before him, it's very hard for people before him to call him their GOAT.

Right? It's just, it's going to be hard. But the generation after that, he's the GOAT to them.

And so you can't, I'm not going to have an argument with somebody that comes to me and say LeBron James is their GOAT.

Duh, he's a GOAT. It's multiple GOATs in this game.

Practice this answer.

You should start having those arguments. They're kind of fun.

Those arguments are dumb. No, they're very fun.
No, they're not.

Watch, let's have it right now. Ask me who my goat is.
Who's your goat? Michael Jordan.

Why? Championship rings. That's it.
Never lost the finals.

Never went to a game seven in the finals.

That's it. And he was the best player on those teams.

He's got six of them. That makes him your goat.
Titles. Yeah.
And I respect that.

And it's over. Conversation over.
Yeah, who's your thank you for your response? Michael Jordan. Okay, there we go.
Oh, that was a great conversation. That was a great end.
Yeah, that was good.

Seven-year-old should just be a bad guy. My basketball goat is Michael Jordan.
I played the game of basketball because of Michael Jordan.

What about

how deep have you seen LeBron get into a book?

I've seen a lot of books in his hand. How deep, though? We talking.
Listen, I'm not even judging because I buy books and I read the first five pages and I never, I just don't read anymore.

You know what I love? I love

when someone can make fun of themselves. Yeah.
I love the fact that LeBron and his team has now marketed him as someone who reads the first

page. Yeah, that is to me when you

can make fun of yourself,

people really can, they love you. Absolutely.
If you can't and you take yourself too serious, then everyone else is going to take it too serious.

And so I love the fact that LeBron has now made millions of dollars off everybody talking about him reading one page. Now, I never sat down and watched how many pages he reads.

It's not, I don't care about that. I care about what he does on the court.
But I definitely have seen a lot of books in his hand.

I would just carry on the back of the book. Most people don't even make it past the back just.

I'm one of them people. I start reading a book and

I'm going to sleep. Yeah, I got to listen to my book.
Yeah. I'm sorry.
I ain't going to make it. I read the reviews and I'm like, that's a great book.

I can write a whole essay off of what I just read on the back of the book.

I got some dumb questions for you. Wait a minute.
That question that you just asked me one day? No, that was actually

very smart questions.

I know you've spoken on it, but the fake quote in 2017

that you had Dwayne Wade on Cavs early season struggles. It stinks, but at least I get to go home every night and have my wife eat my butt.
Not true, right? Oh, yeah. Who made somebody did that?

That was a fake one. There's a fake one.

I like that you called attention to it, though. Yeah, you quote-treated it.
So we're making fake quotes up now? Yeah, yeah. I listen to that.
Wait, that's what everyone is. I'm in on the jokes.
Okay.

A lot of people say talk a lot of shit about me.

I wouldn't be who I am today if I already took it seriously. So, so fake, the quotes fake, but your wife does eat your butt.

I'm always going to eat my butt.

Yeah,

that was just a podcaster trick right there. Get you in, get yourself in.
No, it's cool. It came out of nowhere.
It was crazy. It definitely was a crazy take, you know, and people ran with it.

I was like, okay, so you're going to be a funny thing. It's a funny quote.
Fake or not, it's a funny quote. It's funny.
Listen, I like to laugh.

It was funny.

It was a little crazy, but you know what? Ha ha ha.

My wife decided to do it. Then she decided to do it.

Leave what we do inside our private home private.

All right, so I do, I have a private question that hopefully you can give us a little answer on. You went to the Met Gala.
What the hell happens inside?

Nothing. Oh, see, he's not going to answer this.
You'll talk about eating butt, but you won't talk about the Met Gala. It's crazy what happens inside.

What happens inside? We don't know. We're on the outside.
Have a great time. But what is that? What are you bidding on stuff? Is there live music? What is going on? It's live music.
Okay.

It's some of the coolest people in the world. Yeah, we've seen the pictures, and then we don't.
You have a dinner, it's a fundraiser. Okay.

Because each seat is paid for by brands and individuals.

You walk through, depending on the theme of the year, you walk through

the gallery. Any TVs?

No TVs. The games on?

No games on. So you're at a table.
That sounds terrible. You're eating dinner at a table.
Yeah. And then is there an MC?

And no MC. So it's just, there's a band that's playing during dinner?

The conversation is the band that's playing through dinner.

all it's everybody, these are all these people, like most of these people I only get to see once a year, yeah, right?

And I mean, these not, I don't got these people in my roller decks, like we're not like kicking it like that, right?

Not everybody in there, so it's it's the soundtrack is of everybody happy and excited to be in the cool kids' room, right, together, and everyone looking fly as hell.

And you know, and you know, that's just the sound, that's the soundtrack of the room. When do they pass around the Illuminati robes and the baby blood? Is that dessert course?

Let's let's talk about the food tell me what you ate well this year it was it was five every year is different okay every year is different obviously they reach out to you know different chef or different restaurant to upset the plate and you know some years it's maybe some you fancy and some years it's some you may not fancy uh this year was uh actually Really, really good.

One of my wife and I actually

favorite restaurants. So we had some, we had some soul in our food this year.
Okay. You know,

it was about black culture this year, baby. You know, we're going to have some seasoning.
Okay.

So it was good. It was really, really good.
And

I read a story. You didn't try fish until you were 32 years old.
Is that right? I don't remember the age, but me and Fish has had a real. It was just.

I stay over here relationship. You know what I mean?

I grew up in the inner city.

Fish wasn't a part of what I was able to eat. And then when I got older, people started throwing fish, and it was like the first one was salmon.
And I was like, that smells like the sea. Yeah.

I don't want that. And so me and Fish had a, you stay over there, I stay over here relationship for a long time.
And now I just actually ate Bronzino before I came over. It's pretty good.

You're having lunch fish now. Yeah.
I'm having lunch fish

with a salad. Oh.
Oh, yeah, because

you weren't a salad guy. No, David Fisdell, shout out to David Fisdell, one of our coaches.
He told me one time, he was like, you know what? He's like, I'm pissed off at my parents.

I grew up, my mom always told me that I had to eat healthy. I had to do all these things to be like, you know, if I wanted to be an athlete one day, he said, you don't do none of those things.

And you're one of the greatest athletes that I've ever seen.

I mean, i was terrible with it when i when i in my prime you know i mean that's why i didn't that's why my prime didn't last that long because i didn't i didn't have the the the things i needed the nutrients for my body for my body continue to perform the way it needed to perform i was i was a sugar baby yeah give me sugar give me sweets give me give me burgers give me uh you know fried chicken like i was i grew up that way and that's the way i ate through the league for a long time to give me hot dogs before a game yeah was was there a moment when you like were like oh shit i gotta father time's coming it was too late it was Father Time was already at the door.

Oh, shit. Do you think Fisdale needs to have a conversation with Luca?

Whoa. Maybe get Luca on some salads? Fisdale is in Phoenix.
Yeah, but he should talk to Luca. Why? Like, try to...

Everybody talk about Luca's diet? Yeah.

Luca going to figure out what he needs to do. He'll be great.
I think he'll be great.

It's one of our favorite things to do. Like, a guy who looks like me be like, you know, Luca's kind of out of shape.

Right. I mean, Jokic looks like you, and he got three MVPs, right? right? Yeah,

three or four. I don't know.
But he did lose weight. Like, he still looks like you.
Yeah.

But

his talent and his skills, it don't. Everybody don't need to look chiseled.
Yeah. Like that.
That is a misconception right there. It's not about how you look.

It's about what kind of conditioning you're in to be able to obviously play both ends of the floor the way you need to.

And so it's not about how you look.

That's a little overrated. It's a little bit about how you look.
Everybody don't need abs. Well, but when you lose, then it's about how you look.
That's how the media looks.

And no one said nothing about how Jokic looks when he's winning mvp

nope he his body is no different than you know than luca's if you want to talk about the style of like we don't see muscles yeah you know what i'm saying it's more so of are you in peak condition or are you not in peak condition from what people expect from a superstar player yeah and that's that's the biggest conversation it is messed up with how we do it it's like winner winner winner and then the minute you lose you're like fat That's just how it goes.

Got the finals. Yeah.
It's a lot of fat guys that's saying it, right?

Whatever fat is to you. It's a lot of guys who don't have abs that's saying that.
I think Luca looks good.

Yeah, sure. Yeah, he looks good.
It's okay. I like that.

If Luca walked in here right now, I'm sure his body would look way different than you think by watching him on a basketball court with, you know, out there with jerseys on and all the pads and everything.

If he walked in here, I'd cross him up. I bet.
Traffic. No, bro.
Luca's so good. Yeah.
I'd cross him up with an ice cream cone. He wouldn't know what to hit him.
I think, you know what's crazy?

You know how you see? I think we just saw a video go out of

Robinson

in New York of him playing in the summer and he was going between the legs and shooting freezes.

If somebody's not in the NBA and they just

doing whatever they want to do, everybody's cold. Yeah.

And then when you got to get in the NBA, you got to play a certain role. You forget that you, all the things that you was working on in the summer, you just got to pick and you just got to roll.

You just do that. Yeah.
And then you forget.

I mean, we've talked about it when the whole debate happened, the NFL versus NBA. I'm like, I don't think people fully understand.

Like, we've had, we've been lucky enough to have some of the NBA combine guys come here and work out. If you watch a guy who's going to be the NBA workout, they do not miss.

They literally do not miss. No.
And it's like you think that they're shooting 50% from the field in a game when they're in practice, they are not missing. Well,

that's called bright lights. Yeah.
That's called popcorn popping. That's called fans in the arena.
Everything changes.

I've seen players in practice that was way better than me. And we get in the game.
And I'm like, bro, you're going to help me? It's a whole different beast when you got 20%.

What did you say that about Mario Chalmers? I love Mario.

Mario is one of the toughest

Mario don't get credit the way he the way he should Mario is one of the toughest players I ever played with one of the biggest shot makers I've ever played with Mario to me always I feel like he got more out of what looks like his ability like when you look at Mario you don't see him doing it you're like I don't think this guy's gonna be that good right because he doesn't he's not chiseled he's not hella tall he's not fast he don't jump high Mario still today plays the game of basketball and Mario is still hoop I give Mario a lot of credit I he was one of the guys I love playing with And if I was a starter team again and you asked me to pick 12 guys, I would pick Mario on my team because he's a fucking winner.

Okay, so who's your favorite teammate? You can't name like Bosch, LeBron,

UD, Rayallen. But for what? And what favorite teammate for what? Because

you got favorite teammates for different teams. All right, favorite teammate to play with? Favorite teammate to hang out with in your entire career.

Favorite teammate to play with, and I can't pick a guy that I actually like playing with. Is that what you're telling me? No, no, no.

You can't pick the usual usual suspects.

Because what we're going to do is a podcasting trick. I'm going to say favorite teammate to play with, and then you're going to say someone other than LeBron.
Then we're going to put the clip out.

No, my master's. Everyone's going to be like, whole team is always the same.
Master's always the same. What is it? It doesn't change.
Shadanas has them. Okay.
All the time for your teammate. Okay.

And then what about to hang out with him as well? To hang out with.

No, that's always the guys that don't really get no time on the court. Yeah.

The momo is always the guys that, you know, is not one of the star guys, the guys you can kind of get away with, you know, get away and just kind of like, you know, be someone else.

You don't got to be that star guy. You don't got to be cool.
You can just be who you are. You know what I'm saying? So I've had many favorite teammates that you would never know their names.
Yeah.

I know their names. Yeah.
I mean, my favorite teammates go back to college, man. Like, you know, I got guys in college that you, you know, you won't know their names.
They're my favorite teammates.

I still talk to them to this day, you know, in our final four run, guys that you will not remember. Yeah.
Yeah.

On that final four run, did you have, did you, at that moment, have the confidence in yourself and the belief that you were going to go on to do all these great things?

Or was it that moment that kind of woke you up and you're like, yeah, I can be one of the best? No, you know what, man? I didn't think that way. Like, I mean,

I knew I was good at what I was good at, but I always

just had the mentality that

I never thought that far ahead.

I'm an everyday person.

It was just to me, I was just, I was always about getting better every day. Now, I knew I can compete with anybody because I wasn't afraid of anyone.

Once you take away getting dunked on, shooting an airball and getting crossed over, what else is it? After that, it ain't nothing else embarrassing in the game of basketball.

Like everyone's going to score on you. Right.
And so once I was realized, okay, these are the only things that really people are embarrassed about. All right.
Well, take that away.

Then let's just hoop. And so I was never, it's basketball.
I'm not afraid of you. Now you can score on me.
Okay.

Like my brothers could score on me. My dad could score on me.
So like, I just kind of simplified the game of basketball. So I knew I can compete with anyone.

It was just about getting the opportunity for me. And once I got my opportunity, I showed up every time.
And that's all.

So you weren't thinking at that moment, like one day, 15, 20 years in the future, I'm going to have a really, really weird looking statue of myself built. No, but I knew I was going to be great.

It goes back to,

I got a high school yearbook quote when I was 17 years old. And they asked me, you know, in 20 years, you know, what would you be? And I said, I'm going to retire.

It's one of the greatest that will play the game of basketball. I said that at 17.
And I actually retired at 37 years old. I retired 20 years later.
That's pretty cool.

Actually, pretty damn cool. I retired as one of the greatest to play the game of basketball.
Now, whatever number, that's well, at least in a 75. But thank you very much.

So I did retire as one of the greatest. So at 17 years old, I had the outlook.
I just didn't know how I was going to get there. But I got there by my work every day.

And also, too, just by the people, man. You really got to, you got to find people along this journey.

You got to connect to them. You got to hold on tight to them.
The people that's there for you. Like, God puts people in your path.

You have to recognize who these people are. I recognize those people throughout my journey and I stay connected to them, you know what I mean, to help me get to that next level.

And so I knew that I wanted to be that, but it was the work every day and it was the recognizing of, you know, and being honest and looking in the mirror at myself when I wasn't that good, when I wasn't doing the things that I was supposed to do, really holding myself accountable to that, to being

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Okay, back to Dwayne Wait. Can we talk about the statue? Yeah.
Is that okay? So when they unveiled the statue, what was your initial thought?

I have a statue. Yeah.
Great statue. Yeah.
Yeah. That's what I'm saying.
That is a statue.

I wasn't thinking like you guys were thinking. I wasn't thinking like the photo that went out and everybody liked to say.

I wasn't thinking about that, guys. Like, come on, man.
Technically, it's a statue. It goes back to us looking at Luke and being like, wow, that guy's out of shape.

We're like, look how bad that guy's statue is. The guy that got a statue for being great for so long.
Yeah, yeah. Listen, I get it.
Like, give me all the jokes.

Actually, some of them were fucking hilarious, by the way. Like, some of them I still, I saved them in my phone.
I was like, I got to come back and laugh at this one later.

But, no, I wasn't thinking about that. I was, you know, once again, my mind goes beyond that.
My mind goes to my kids. My mind goes to like, you know, small kids from the inner city.
I go to all that.

Now, you guys have a job to do. You got a job to do.
You got to do it. Your job to do is to make sure that you get as many clicks as possible.

My statue became something that you guys can talk about that will get you clicks. Yes.
Have at it.

It's hard to do that. I feel like the statues fail like the Ronaldo statues.
No, they're tough. Yeah, they're tough.

I keep telling people is I was there alone, alone, like the whole process, right? Like it was an incredible process, but from clay to bronze, it's two totally different things.

It's two totally different statues from clay to bronze. And so in clay, I was like, oh yeah, this is going to go down in history as one of the greatest statues ever.

In bronze, it looks way different.

Everything is hardened. Right.
So my,

it's way different in clay clay than it is in bronze. Yeah.
It's intense. It's real intense.
Yeah. So it was some very strong, like, jaw structures.
And, you know what I mean?

And then, too, like, everyone gets to look up at me with my mouth open and yelling with these strong. Like, I, trust me, I understand, but in clay, it's soft.
Yeah. Right.
It looks a little different.

It looks, I look a little bit more like me. And then you put it in bronze.
And then obviously, and I was trying to educate people.

I said, also, you put it in bronze and it has to, it has to stand strong in Miami forever.

That is an extra dip in bronze that is an extra this extra that it's even harder right it's even darker and so I think that my first reaction once I got to reaction was damn it's darker than I thought it was gonna be because every statue has different complexions of bronze complexions but because mine needs to to weather the storm mine had to be a little bit more it had to get a little bit more care on it in a sense and so it was definitely darker than I wanted to be but like the expression that I wanted it to to have it had the expression It just hit a little, my cheekbones a little stronger.

Yeah, it is really cool, though. It's an awesome honor to have a statue, to know that you meant so much to one organization, one city, really, that they're like, we want you to stand here for forever.

Yeah, I mean, you could put everybody that plays sports in one room to have a statue. Yeah.
You can't fill this room up. No.
So it's an elite class. And listen, I think.

As long as people are making bronze statues, it's going to be hard to capture it to look the way that everybody's going to want it to look.

Someone is going to figure it out where it's going going to look exact one day. But it is a really tough process.
And

it didn't hurt me that everyone was talking jokes. I just, the people who worked so hard on it, man.
I hear you.

The families, that to me, I was just like, but also, too, like, once you put your work out there, it's open for interpretation for people to say what they wanted to say.

And people said a lot that they wanted to say. But ultimately,

what I wanted, and it's still happening, I still get at it every day of a family, a kid, an individual, they go and they take a photo at the statue. I was actually there one night.

Here's the story about it. I was there one night when I was in Miami

late night to go see the statue for myself away from everyone, just me and my crew. And

it was like three in the morning, and it was a guy who walked up to see the statue. Now, mind you, I'm behind the statue.
I'm looking at all the details. He's not even at the statue yet.

He's walking up and he's like, oh, man, they fucked my man up.

And so I come around the statue. I said, bro, did you even look at the statue? Or are you going off of everything you heard? Like, come here.

Let's take a, let's take a look at this statue for a minute. But he just automatically walked up with his own.
What did he say when he saw you? Like, that's such a funny thing. Oh, no.

The guy would be like, wait, does Dwayne We just stand at his statue all day, telling people to look at it closer? Yeah, I'm like, hey, come get a better look. You know what?

Matter of fact, how about you look from up top?

Everybody looking from down here, right? But no, he, you know, he took a couple steps back and was like, oh man, I didn't. No, you, you did.

I heard you. I heard you were here.
That's so funny. It's all good.
Like, I just, I just want to, if I lived in Miami, I'd just pop up at the statue anytime. Yeah.
Hell yeah. Like, say something.

Yeah.

Yeah. Me and you, Dia sit there, like, say something.

But it's all love, man.

So, so we, we mentioned offhand there, but uh, 75, when they did the 75th anniversary in the top 75 players all time, you were named in on that list. Incredible accomplishment.

One of my best accomplishments. Yeah.
How did it feel to be named on that list? And then when you get everyone together, what was that room like? And was MJ talking shit?

So,

yes.

um i remember being a kid watching the top 50.

i was in cleveland when they did it the leather jackets they had the leather jackets i remember being a kid and watching some of my favorite players all be on the top 50 and i thought what one of the coolest moments in the nba to be in that list and i didn't know when they would ever do another list all right and so i didn't know if it would be 100 years or whatever but when they said it was going to do top 75 of course i want to be in that now you got to understand it's 25 years go by, and they only could put 25 more players.

And it's not 25 new players because some guys got left off of the original 50 list. So let's say it's about 15 to 18 spots of new players in 25 years, and you're one of them.

I mean, to me, individually, that was one of the most, that was one of the dopest moments of my individual life.

Like, I didn't go out to play as an individual, and I didn't go off all the individual awards. Like, I wish I would have grabbed a couple on the way, but that was one that I tattooed on my chest.

Now,

but but you really didn't understand what it really, really meant. You just knew that you was getting this honor until we all got to All-Star Weekend in Cleveland and we all walked in the room.

And when you walked in the room, you saw the gods of the game.

You don't see the gods of the game. You may see somebody all-star weekend.

You don't see everybody together. And so you walk in, you're like, Karim,

Oscar.

Bird, magic. Like you looking at the gods of the game.
You like, oh, I'm one of them? Oh, this is really cool.

Now, now you see everybody, like, all of us up there smiling ear to ear now because now we in this room. And so we in this room, we all get to take the photo together.
Everyone's not there.

Now, my 75 players are not there. It was 76 because there's a tie, too.
I don't know if everybody knows that. 76 players on the top 75.
I didn't know. Did they say who tied?

No. Okay.
They didn't say you know. But it's 76.
I don't know. I don't know.
That little smirk man you think I knew? Yeah, you didn't know. No, I was thinking, I don't know neither.

But Jordan wasn't in that room okay yeah jordan he he was uh actually he jordan flew in we didn't know mj was coming we didn't know who was going to be there when we took that photo in that room but that room right there let you know that you was one of them boys

yeah yeah can nobody tell me nothing out to been in that room right because when the hundred one come around i'm gonna be back in that room yeah right so but we all are waiting to go out to go out and get our you know wave our little hand and get our love and that's when mj walked in and that you know you've heard multiple stories about MJ coming in and like how he snuck in, like the black cat, and just kind of snuck up on everybody and started talking shit immediately.

Right, right away, right at Magic.

And I, you, once again, you can go back and look at the clip, you can see my face. I was like, oh, this is happening.
Like, Michael and Magic is talking shit. Yeah.
Like, what?

I'm preview to this conversation. I'm a kid who grew up watching these guys.
And like, you know, obviously these are some of the greatest of a play. And I'm now a part of this.

I get to be behind the scenes of this. And Mike come in he right at him and it was serious it was no games with michael he really was like get your sneaks mace them up

right now

and magic looked around and saw them cameras like well you lucky these cameras i'll tell you something right it was just one of those moments where he's like the two of the greatest ever is talking oh that's incredible it was incredible man but obviously they're they're they're obviously best of friends but that was the moment for me and i and i said it i'm on records and that was the moment for me i was like oh i made it yeah i'm in heaven i say so.

I don't know if I'm going to heaven in regular life, but I know in basketball life, I'm in heaven. Yeah.
Yeah, it's incredible. Pretty sad.
See real. It's pretty insane.
Incredible. Yeah.

All right. So

you are going to be on Prime Video. So Amazon Prime, you're doing the NBA show next year.

Give us some analysts talk. Who's going to win the title? Some analysts talk.
Yeah, some analysts talk. We can't.

That makes it analyst talk because I can tell you who I think is going to win the finals. Yeah, give it some time.
Get real grandeur.

Yeah, get really, really explain it to us like we're five years old. Who's going to win the finals? I don't know.
That's, I'm going to start there. Oh, that's a bad start.
You got to give us a

telling you the truth because no one knows.

But

I will say,

if I had to pick right now, because y'all are forcing me to pick right now. Forcing you, yeah.

I think the best team is OKC.

I think,

but it's not about the best team. We've beat Dallas in a year.
They were the best team when we won a championship. If I had the pick right now, I would say Minnesota Timberwolves will win the finals.

Okay.

Right now. And

it's the aura of Ant.

Yeah. And

it's the way, well, it's the way that the aura of that young man, the way that you see it filters into everyone that he's playing with.

That right there, when you get to that

finals, you need that.

You need to believe in somebody that wholeheartedly like that. And I'm not saying these other guys don't.
I mean, listen, any one of these teams can obviously win.

It's four teams and they all can win. It's going to be historic whoever wins.
But from what I've experienced by being in the finals,

if they can keep this up, what that young man, the way that he can,

the way he puts

his Ant-Man on the game,

no one else does that. No one else goes to that level.
like him when he goes to that level. And these guys are very good.

I mean, you got Brunson who is fourth quarter clutch time money shay mvp right you got these guys who are at that level but when you talk about who got it who got that sauce and ant-man just got that sauce now they got to keep it up because it we all know those first eight games mean nothing the first eight wins mean nothing you got to get to eight more of them and so who knows if he's going to get there but right now if you ask me i'm going to say he got the sauce that you need to get to that finals okay so counterpoint i don't hate the take but last year i would say he also had the sauce did he just get the sauce this offseason?

Like something changed about him, right? No, he grew up a little bit. I mean, it's only one year difference, but it's a big difference.
He got to experience it.

He was in the Western Conference finals last year. He played against the guys who went to the finals.

That's a different summer than someone who lost in the second round or the first round when you lose in that space. And so you see someone, you send a mature player.

He had the sauce. He's had the sauce his whole life.
I'm sure when he was, he had let you know when he was five, he had the sauce.

But once you lose in the way that he lost, you watch the team that you lost to go off to the finals and all those things, it's a different mentality that you come back with.

And man has come back and put his spirit into the guys, and you can see it when they're playing, right? And he's a leader of that team.

And so, if I'm choosing, maybe a little biased because I see a little, you know, maybe I see a little reflection sometimes. That's what I thought.
Yeah. Yeah, maybe a little biased.
Yeah.

You know what I mean? As a young guy, I mean, I won mine at 24. He's 23.
You know, I want to see somebody come and take it. But

I think he got what is needed when you get to that stage.

As you understand, you heard Shay say the other day, game seven, he was like, I was nervous. Yeah.
You could feel it in the first quarter. You're supposed to be.

You have never felt these emotions before. Yeah.
That is the second round seven game.

You got to keep going. You got to get to these.

It gets hot. Listen, you get more nervous as it goes on.
And so I think someone like Ann is just, I think he's ready for that step and for that stage. In that stage, them lights get even brighter.

That popcorn gets even, it smells even better in that. It gets even richer in that arena.
That crowd gets even louder.

And so to win, the ability to be able to pump that confidence in those other guys is what is going to be. And OKC has what I think is the best team overall from top to bottom in this.

But it's not just about that when you get to this, to this place that they're hopefully going. His defense is so good.
Something about Amp that reminds me a little bit of your game.

He seems to be the type of rare player that when he's playing in front of an opposing audience, when he's on the road, he feeds off the crowd just as much on the road as he does at home.

Right? Like, he brings his confidence to them.

He brings it to the game where he hears everybody booing, hears everybody yelling at him, screaming, and he elevates his game. He's like, I want to shut them up.
You have to love it.

Just as bad as he wants to make the fans at home cheer. Yeah, you have to love it.

And at this time, you got to actually, you got to love playing on the road more than you love playing at home. It's easy to play at home.

You're not saying you're going to win everyone, but you're going to get more help.

The role players. You're going to get more help.
On the roads, you're not going to get as much help, bro. And you know what? So what? This is your response.
It's your responsibility.

Everybody looking at you. You the man.
You the one with all the commercials.

You the one with all the attention. They arcs, they all looking at you, and you gotta, you gotta love that.
And so I personally love that. I love playing on the road.
I love going to win on the road.

We won our first finals on the road in game six. I had 36.
I love that. Put me in a position that is the most uncomfortable and watched me come out smelling like roses.

And so so, if you don't have that mentality, you're not winning that championship. I don't care how close you don't care if you go up 2-0.

You got to love winning on the road, or it's not going to happen. Was that your favorite? Because we always talk about this, like best sports sounds.

And one of the best sports sounds is when a road player, like you can feel them take the soul

of the fans. You know what I mean? Where that, like, like hitting a big shot on the road and that, like, scream, gasp is so, it's something about it.

It's Folgus Crystal in the morning. It's a sweet

coffee in the morning. Yeah,

the whole stadium knows like this guy just beat us. Oh, it's incredible.
Yeah. It's nothing better than that.

It's nothing better than when you walk out and you got the opposing fans looking at you with their, they just respect you, right? They end up cheering for you.

It's nothing better than turning them into a fan of viewers. Yeah.
Right. And that's what, that's the kind of aura that Etten has.

He has the aura where you hate him, but when he gets done, you're going to love him. Yeah.
Because you can do nothing but respect it. Yeah.
And, you know, along the way.

And so, yeah, it's nothing better than that. He's a very fun player.
I got one more question for you. I think it's more of a statement.
You might be a magician or a witch because of your pump fake.

Are you aware of how good your pump fake was when you were a player? Well, yeah, I see people flying all the time. And you would do it constantly from the three-point line.
And people guarded you.

I think there's a stat out there that shows that people guarded you closer than any other player in the NBA from the three-point arc when they were playing defense.

Right?

Now, I'm not bringing this up to trash your three-point percentage, but it was like 29% 29% career, which isn't, it's not a great three-point percentage, but they guarded you so close on the perimeter like they expected you to make it.

Yeah, because they didn't want me to touch the ball. Was it just like no matter where he is on the court,

we're going to guard him as closely as possible? Well, yeah, because here's the thing. If I'm not a three-point shooter and you play off me, when I get the ball, I'm coming at you downhill.

You cannot stop me. So your goal is to make sure that I don't touch the ball.

And so it was a stat when I played in my prime years where I think I was up there like with Ray Allen and those guys when it came to the defense, trying not to allow me to get the ball at the three-point line.

I was up there with the top three-point shooters, and I was the worst by far three-point shooter.

But some guys, you just do not want them to get the ball in their hands because that's the rhythm for them. And it wasn't my job to shoot threes, you know what I mean?

Like, you're Michael Jordan, he had a quote where he talked about, he's like, I don't want to be a great three-point shooter because it takes away what I'm great at and what I love about my game and the game because it makes me stay on the perimeter searching for threes.

No, I want, I am downhill. I am trying to put you in the basket.

I have to get in the paint so I can get my teammates shots. That is my job.
My job ain't to sit out there like, ooh, woo, woo. That wasn't my responsibility.
And so, but I did find respect.

I did look at the respect that I got amongst my peers that knew I'm not making this shot, but 29% of the time, but you guarding me like I'm Ray Island, one of the greatest three-point shooters ever.

That's respect right there. So now I'm going to back cut your ass.
Yeah, and the pump fake was great, too. Yeah, the pump fake.
I stole that from Sam Cassell. Oh, Sam Cassell.

I stole it from Sam Cassell. I I just added my own little mix to it, but I got it from Sam Cassell.
So how do you steal a pump fake from somebody?

Well, I watched him do it, and I was like, he's coming up the court hella slow.

It's the slowest pump fake ever, and everyone's jumping and going for it.

So because I wasn't a three-point shooter and because I will come downhill at a player, the defense natural reaction is to stop you from scoring. The closer you get to the basket,

the more you want to stop someone from scoring. I'm really going to pump fake you the closer I get in.
And so everyone's job is is to jump, close out, jump.

If I, if I get, create space and I get you a step off, your job is to recover. How do you recover? Jump.
And so for me, it's just, it's the law. I understand the body.

I understand, like, all right, you got it, you're going to come back and I'm going to do this. And you have to contest my shot.
You don't want me to score. So I'm going to give you this.

You're going to jump. I'm going to act like you did something to me and I'm going to go to the free throw line.
So to me, it was like, it's all about, you got to have patience.

You know, I talked about this and I talk about this all the time. A lot of players, when they get closer to the rim, they lose patience.

That's when you got to have your most patience, the closer you get, because the defense has less patience. Right.

When you are in scoring, when you're in a scoring position, the defense gets a little erratic and they want to strip you or block your shot.

That's when I'm really going to hit you with these slow-ass pump fakes. Yeah.
Show the difference in speed. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Who's got the best pump fake all time?

Me?

Sam Young is actually the answer. Do you remember his pump fake? What makes it Pittsburgh?

Do you remember him? Do you know who I'm talking about?

How do you say that, though? What makes you say him? If you ever remember, he got the most free throws off. No, he just.
Did he look the best? He would go all the way up on his tippy toes.

He'd have guys running through the crowd.

I don't think he even played that. That's like the GOAT conversation.
Whoever you think is who it is. Yeah, I'll show you some highlights of him.
You'll see. Would you ever see it?

Yours was very nice, but Sam Young. I don't know.
He had people jumping past him. He would go all the way up on his tippy toes.
Yeah, and I guess

would you talk shit to people if they jump? If you're like, like, got him? Oh, yeah.

Listen, it was game plans. You would hear the whole, the whole coaching staff on the opposite team say, do not jump for his pump fake.

And I'd be like, you know, you're going to jump for my next pump fake.

Because it's in your mind now. Yeah.
Right.

Now they have made it worse for you because they're now telling you, don't jump for my pump fake. It's coming.

You don't know when, but I'm about to hit you with these three jumpers in your face and you're not going to like that. So what you're going to do eventually? You're going to try to stop me.

That means you got to jump.

Because if you don't jump, I'm just dotting your eye so eventually you're gonna jump and I'm gonna get you I used to tell people all the time I don't gonna get you you know that right because if you don't that's a bucket yeah and you got to let them know too if they jump and you drive past oh yeah I got you yeah

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The Larry O'Brien Trophy here. Awesome conversation.
We'd love to have you on anytime.

You're a recurring guest now, so when we ask you to come on, you have to come on, just so you know. Okay.
They used to sign something when you walked in the door.

I don't know if you read it, but it's basically whenever we want you on you have to come on our show it sounds like my wife yeah well well i'm not gonna eat your butt

uh no my last question is we were talking about it before we we started taping we have a mutual friend tom crean obviously you're closer to him than uh we are but we're we're we're fairly close with him we've had him on many times uh really love him was there a moment when tom crean at marquette

uh like instilled to you you talked about the shaq confidence like was did tom creen have a moment where he was like like, hey, you're going to be special?

And, like, this is, you have an opportunity now. Do you remember that moment or that, like, sequence where he kind of gave you that confidence of like, oh, this is different.

It's not just college basketball. It's going to be something more.
Oh, yeah.

He's one of the most important people in my development. In my development as the player that you guys got a chance to see, Tom Creen.
Tom Creen was on my ass.

To a level of tears coming down a lot of times because I didn't understand why he was on me so hard. But he obviously saw something in me that

I didn't know was there. But I was talking about one of the things Tom Cream taught me and which made me a very good basketball player.
And it was my ability to get so low on picking rolls. And

we drilled this over and over. We drilled anytime I touched the paint, you better dunk it.

Like this was, this is how we, this was my summer workouts with Tom Cream to the point where like, you know, I was young, I was

leave, get kicked out of practice or throw the ball and walk out of practice. And he'd come right down and

get your ass back up here. Like he was on me.
And I was, I was, I was young. I was going through a lot of a lot of things in my family life when I went to college.

And I wasn't mature enough yet and had a lot of things going on, but he would not allow me to be less than what he thought that I was going to be. He thought I was going to be great.

The year before I entered the draft, I told everybody I was leaving and entering the draft because

I didn't want to work.

We were running lines and all this shit. And I was like, I'm out.
I'm going to the NBA.

He flew in at like three o'clock in the morning, called me down to the office and scared the living shit out of me. But what he pretty much told me is that you didn't come here to be average.

I'm not allowing you to go to the NBA to be in the second round or to be late first round. You came here to be great.
And great has been in the lottery.

And so if you ain't there, you ain't going nowhere, type, you know, like father figure. He was a father figure for me at that time.
And I respected him. Obviously,

you know, I stayed one more year and I went number five, right?

And so he was just somebody who was on me and he saw something in me that I didn't even know was inside. He pulled things out of me that I didn't even know could be pulled out of you.

You know what I mean?

And so, you know, I sit here and I see him not coaching and I see, and I, and I, and I, and I look at that and I see so many kids who not get an opportunity because they're not getting coached by him to get the, to get greatness pulled out of them.

Yep. And that's the thing.
Just because you have it in you don't mean that you're going to be able to showcase it to the world. You got to know how to do that.

You got to have somebody that can see that in you and could pull it out of you. Tom Creen pulled all of my greatness out, and then you guys got a chance to experience it.

But it happened in Marquette in that small-ass gym in Milwaukee.

And I give him and our coaching staff a lot of credit for not allowing me just to be good. And they forced me to be great.
That's awesome. He is the best.
And he coached Ant, too. Yeah.
Yeah.

And he coached Ant. He coached Ant.
He coached Victor La Depot. He coached

some dynamic guards, obviously other guys as well. But when Ant goes back, you go back to Ant-Man's press conference when he decided to go to Georgia.
And they asked him why you you go to Georgia.

He said, Because Tom Creen coached Victor Ola Depot and Dwayne Wade. That's why I'm going to Georgia because he's going to get the best out of me, right?

Just like he got the best out of two of the best two guards that played. When Vic was healthy,

Vic was a bad boy. And so give him credit, man.
Give Coach Crean credit for having some of the greatest players to play the game. And a great guy, too.
Yeah. Amazing guy.

Amazing guy. Well, Dwayne, thank you so much for stopping by.
This has been awesome.

We also will promise, I had someone looking up, like doing a prep sheet for me, and I guess our social team has spelled your name wrong every single time they've posted anything on our Twitter.

So we're going to make sure we get it right this time. It's all good, man.

Every single time. Every single time.
Is that memes? Yeah, memes. I'm so used to it at this point.
At the end of the day,

Dwayne Wade is getting attention. Even if it's the one before the A or the one with the Y, it depends.
Would you say

D-Wade? Yeah.

I worked hard for D-Wade, so just call me D-Wade. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, I've screwed it up too. Memes, you got this.

I'm going to get cremated, but when I do leave this earth, I'm going to make sure that both Dwayne's is represented on my way out.

It ain't going to just be the Y before the day. It's going to be the A before the Y2.

He had a great run, too. People, 100 years from now, when they're looking you up online and their brain chip that they got or whatever, they might misspell it when they're going to be able to do it.

Right, so you want to make sure that we got them both. So we're actually helping you.
Yeah, we're doing the work. We got two brands.
Yeah,

just don't call you Dean Wade. Yeah.

Let him have his own brand.

Don't call him D-Wade neither. Y'all stop that now.
Don't give my nickname away. I underwear confidence.
Definitely not. Call him Dean.
Yeah.

All right. Well, thanks so much.
We really appreciate it, man. Appreciate you guys taking a moment, man.

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I almost threw up smelling your armpit.

It's absolutely disgusting. And I truly apologize, but I mean, I tried.
I tried to spray. I tried to think, but it just

shower? Yeah, I did. I shower.
After the thing we filmed? Have you used Dove Men's Body Care? I sprayed that on before.

Yeah, he did. I watched him spray it on.

Is there any truth that people are calling you moldy?

Oh, I hope not. I know.
It's just me.

It's just me. I'd rather take the M out and throw the G back in for Goldie.
I'll take Goldie Oldie all day. All right.
Yeah. But it's bad, dude.
Max, take a whiff of it.

Take a whiff of it for the people on YouTube. Oldie, also slide this way, just so you can see.
Yeah. Yeah, there you go.

Take the shirt off. One big whiff.
Skin the skin. I legitimately almost threw up.
Give me 10 seconds. I'll just give him a normal sniff without a blow or a blow plus the blow.

No, he's been doing that. He's been walking around

and putting his arm over his head and then blowing the scent at people. Yeah, like a fan.
Yeah, like one of those things at the house that scent that comes out. Yeah, so you also

get the armpit. It's so, so, so.

I didn't lift my arm yet. I haven't.
No, but I'm just prefacing how bad it's going to be. Max, you think it's bad because it's the armpit plus his breath?

I don't know. I don't know.

I just saw Big Cat's. No, I'm not going to switch.
I saw Big Cat's reaction, and he literally

cry you. I tried.
Can I just do a breath? Look, my breath is. Try my breath, and then we'll do the armpit.
Talk to Mike Haldee. Why don't we.

Oh, dude. All right.
That's nice. Max, give it one big whiff.
I got to do it.

Just one big whiff. Stay strong.
Come on, you got this, Max. I was seeing stars when

it is.

You gotta do Hank, too, after. Smelling salt.
Yeah, Hank got stewed after that. Yeah.

Oh, oh, dude.

He's pulling it. Oh!

You know what? It's like... It smells so bad.

I actually just like...

Gagged in my mouth. Yeah, what's the worst thing you guys have ever smelled? Maybe that.

Go get Hank. Go get Hank.
We We did a

stinky classic

on the case race a couple years ago. Oh, yeah.

I wanted to die. It was like Zaz Pubes.
Yeah, it was smoking. And like a smoker.
Burned hairs. And like, yeah,

that was as bad as it's ever been. That's pretty bad, yeah.
Anything when you're hungover. Yeah.
Yeah.

New York City when you're hungover is

extremely.

You know what it is? It's the hot trash. Yeah.
The hot trash of New York is the worst. All right.
Give him a good whiff. Give him a good whiff.

Hank, you have to do a good whiff.

You got to really take it in. Hit him.
Yeah, hit him. Hit him with it.
Hold on.

Okay. You ready? Yeah.
Smell it. Get yourself in there.

Wait, wait, holdie. Let me get a hit.

Oh, no.

Oh, no.

Let me take a hit. Let me take a hit.
I got to smell this. Oh, I got to smell this.

I gotta try.

This is some good podcasting. Oh my god, everyone, look at it.
Go watch the YouTube. Subscribe to the YouTube.
Hank literally just puke for people wondering, like, actual pew. I have tears in my eyes.

Three, two, one.

It's so bad, dude. I'll take another hit.

Hank, some pew.

Go make me puke.

my

get back in the booth. Oli.
That was awesome.

I can't believe it. How do you smell? How does that smell happen? It's just a combination of all of them.

How does that happen in real life? Great white north.

Hank, you okay? Yeah. Oh, I think I'm going to peek.

Like at first, I mean, it was quick, but I was like, oh, it's just BL. And then

it has some. It's B.O.
Plus.

It is. It is.
It's B.O. Plus.

Hank, your Firefest? It's B.O. Max.

Nothing crazy. The AI debacle.

Big Cat posted the video on Twitter. Yeah.

And he tagged me in it. It just said, is this real? How do you use it?

Your puke breath is kind of cute. Your puke breath.
Puke voice. Yeah, it's kind of cute.
A little raspy. Yeah.
He's just throwing up back here.

23 million views and every, you know, because you tagged me in it. I was just, every single person was just like,

duh, duh. Or no, obviously not.
Obviously not. Obviously not.
How dumb are you? How dumb are you?

I mean, I posted, like I said, on the show, because I thought, obviously I should have known this, but I posted on my Instagram story without context. And then people get, people were getting mad.

About what? About the Anaconda. Oh, yeah.

I had friends that texted me screenshots of the Anaconda that they saw independently. and they're like, this is not the picture that Hank thought was real, right? I was like, Max 2?

Yeah, that's the one. The one where it's in the middle of the room.
Yeah, dude. Big-ass Anaconda.
You'll know what's going on down there. It's 200 feet long.
I was scared. I was like, fuck.

At least that one

I was like, this can't be real. And did some research.
But yeah.

I mean, that wasn't really a fire fest. It was fun.
But

I took Oldie to hot yoga yesterday. Yeah, he actually blames part of the smell on on the hot yoga.
Well, it was did you shower this morning? He showered at the hot yoga.

He said he showered four times since then. And you think it's the hot yoga has like unearthed something in you? Yeah, I think it was just a huge decompression or like detox or whatever came out.

I don't know. And your body just expressed itself.
Well, it was like the hardest class of all time. Like, old, I thought we lost Oldie a couple times.
I thought I was losing.

I thought I was going to die. And Oldie's flexible.
Well, that's what he was doing splits at the office, and he was like hanging out right before we left. And we're like, you want to come?

He's like, yeah, I used to do it all the time. And then he was, I mean, it was, it was very funny having him there.

He's, you know, walking up to all the instructors after being like, Thank you for the practice. Thank you for the practice.
And then to one of them, he was like,

I haven't, I haven't done this in seven years. Oh, wow.
Because I thought he was like, I thought when you said, like, oh, you know, I do it all the time. I was like, oh, yeah, it would fit right in.

Yeah. It was a hard class.
But it was like,

it was me, Chef Donnie, and Oldie. And when the class ended, there was like the Nile River of sweat.

It was disgusting. So, yeah, maybe, I don't know how that unlocks whatever that smell is, but something happened.
The smell is hot. Yogurt.
Yeah,

it was funny, but it was like I looked over a couple times and I thought Oldie was down for the count. Yeah.

It was a great practice, though. Great practice.
Great practice. I felt bad.
I felt bad being like, yeah, this was probably not the one to bring you to. It was a lot of water, a lot of sweat out.

I wanted to say, like, you know, I think it's maybe from the yoga, but all the boys, the boys that boys that know back home, the BO is pretty strong. Oh, that's a new thing.
Yeah, it's been around.

It's been around. Can we get a spray? Do we have the dove?

I did that twice, three times before even.

Is that a family thing? I don't know. I don't think, no, Papa Dukes don't smell like this shit.
No. I mean, I don't know if I'm what I'm consuming or whatever.

Like, I mean, I even try to take my girls' deodorant and they say, Dad, no, don't touch it. Don't touch it.
I mean, nothing works for me. Oh, man.

I think I got to go to like a science building to say like what can what can what what can what what can we make to make this go away? Yes. Like is everything already

Where would you find a science building? Dove dove's probably got something we should do that as an ad. But they but they do eight hour guarantee 12 hours and then they throw the 24 banger on there.

The only thing in life you can't change is a clock 24 hours. So you got to get it.

Yeah, but we should get you like Dove doing an ad where they like we we have got the smelliest guy in the world and we made him smell fresh. You get prescriptions.
Max is back.

Max, Max, we said no Hamas.

Oh, Max, what are you doing?

I needed a face covering. You guys got like one whiff of it.
We're just living in it back here.

Okay, PFT. So your Firefest says you are dumb with AI,

and then I made it worse?

No, I knew I was dumb, but it was the 23 million views and the amount of

people People responding about how dumb it was to think it was real just made me feel a little bit worse. Oh, I'm sorry.
Sorry. I apologize.
You know you can mute the conversation. I did.

Oh, yeah, that's the best

feature on Twitter. When I woke up, it was like,

this is bad. Oh, I mute conversations.

I'll mute a conversation the second I throw out a take. I'll just be like, here's a take.
Mute. I mute every single one of the aggregators.
Yeah. Because they tag us in all

everything.

And then you get the dumbest replies ever and the dumbest arguments that last for weeks sometimes. Caleb Williams wore a different style of shorts today.

And I just all of a sudden have like all these mentions from ML football. And I was like, oh no, did something big happen? So I unmuted.
He was just wearing different shorts.

Yeah, Jaden Daniels is looking different at Trading Camp. What do you notice? And then it devolved into a big conversation in the comment section that gets into like Brock Purdy at some point.

Yeah, just mute that whole conversation. Sorry, Hank.
So the only thing is, Hank, you're just too trusting, I think.

It was a cool video. I'll stand by that.
If it was real, it would have been awesome. The noises.
And it was the whale, thank you. Yeah, the thank you.

I was like, you know, as a whale advocate, I was like, yes.

Did you see the video, Oldie?

Max, show me the video. I think I did.
Was it the whale? I didn't see the anaconda. I seen the whale push off.
It was the whale that had heavy equipment

driving on its back. What was Anaconda? But did you think that was real?

At first, I was like, oh, they can scalp it pretty good. And then I was like, nah, oldie, come on, that's a a tractor.
You don't see a tractor just floating on the ocean like that.

Like on a whale.

Good reasoning. I'm thinking, okay, I grew up on a 100-acre farm.
I never seen this shit before.

But then you think 2025. And then I said, nah, this isn't, it's one of those new IA things.
Yeah.

Yeah.

All right, PFT.

My firefest of the week is that I officially felt old as fuck, like middle-aged last week.

Because I got a power washer on Saturday.

I I went out to Home Depot, picked up. I rented one about a year ago and I got it and it was awesome.
And the guy was like talking shit to me. Like, he's like, you never used one of these before.

I don't know if you can handle it. I was like, dude, I'll handle it.
No problem. I got this.
And I did it, and it was awesome. And then I said, I'm going to buy one of these things.

I'm going to get one of these things. So last Saturday, went to Home Depot, picked one up, brought it home.
I'm addicted to it. Yeah.
You just start finding shit around. I could power wash you, oldie.

That might work. That would, but you ought to be careful.
Yeah. Are you dealing with a battery or gas? So that's really where the Fire Fest comes in.
Okay, so we'll hold off on that because. Yeah,

I put a video out because I wanted to piss people off. So I did a video of me power washing my patio, and I intentionally missed a spot so that people would be like, what the fuck, dude?

You missed a spot. Some people were mad about that.
But then I didn't realize that I stumbled into a deep, deep hole online that I was not aware of, and that's power washing Twitter.

And they were like, dude, you have an electric power washer?

I would hide that thing when my friends come over. Yeah.
You have an electric, electric, dude. That's the gayest thing that I've ever seen in my life.

And now I'm like, I got to go back and get a gas-powered one. Oh, no.
I got 2,000 PSI on it. I thought that's pretty good.
You could tell all these things. You could tell the stream.

When I was watching your video, if it was gas, he's like, yeah. Well, I also didn't have it on the most powerful stream on that.

It ain't fuel. It ain't fuel.

I don't care what you're going to save this and save that, but it ain't fuel. You get fuel.
You better hold on two hands of that pistol. She's going to be flipping and flopping.

You want to cook with something 3,500, 4,000 sheets. Well, what can 3,500, 4,000 sheets do that 2,000 can't? Absolutely piss pump the shit out of that thing double times.
Two times. Double times.

Piss pump the shit out of. God damn it, I should have pissed it.

Double times.

You know all those stains you get on the concrete and stuff? Yeah. Busy, busy, busy.
Gone, gotta go. Those are right there.

You're like double lapping

with the battery guy. I don't know.
On the electric. Maybe sometimes, but it has different streams.
I got the different nozzles to it. And one of them is like zero degree.

And that one, I I think I could cut my toe off with that one. So another thing, too, for everyone, it doesn't matter who you are, where you're to, where you're from.

Pressure washers are very dangerous. You always got to keep a distance away, even if it's electric or gas.
It's close enough, you can literally cut through someone's skin.

So that zero is cutting through someone's skin. Yeah.
Right. So even the zero spread out.
But yeah, you just got to keep away.

It's the most satisfying thing in the world to power wash something. To clean.

It's so good. My con, my,

I have a walk away in front of the homestead there. And it always gets stained and and stuff, so it gets all like black and dark and from all the leaves falling.

I pressure wash it off that thing, yeah, immaculate. Mine's electric, too, electric too, but it still works.

Oh, you can't do it, you can't be talking all that shit about my electric one if you're if you're pumping out electricity, too.

I know, it still does the job, it still works, but at the end of the day, we're soft-ass pit bitch old men. Like, we need the real gas one.
You want to hear the

you've used the gas one, right, oldie? Oh, hell yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Means his dad was roasting me, that's how bad it got.

Oh, no, when you finish, like, where are you, like, you know, touchdown score? Oh, it cleans like beautiful. Beautiful.
Yeah. So put your arms up.
Yeah, like, let's touch down.

Yeah, it's great. It's a great relief.
It's a great relief. But you know what? It's still good.
How good does it clean things? It's awesome.

It is actually like the coolest tool I've ever used in my life. I'm just finding stuff around my house.
I'm like, I should power wash that. I should power wash it.

When it rained the other day, I was pissed off. I was like, I can't power wash in the rain.
It sucks. But I was talking to some of the boys at the office about it, and they had a pretty good idea.

Just get a bunch of fruit and play real-life fruit ninja. Oh, I love that.
With a power washer. Just throw shit up in the air and try to saw through

with the water. Zero angle.
You need a zero. Zero angle, I think.
They don't want the 12 or 15, the 15 or 30%. That's like a spray.
I think I could cut through a banana easy with a skid on.

I know you can.

Yeah. I could circumcise Biz.
Yeah.

Yeah, you could. You can help him out.
The least win the cup. You should have to do that.
I'll circumcise him with my power washer. Yeah.
Oh, clean. That's clean too.
Straight line. I like that.
Yeah.

Cauterize it. Hot water.

All right. My Fire Fest.
I talked about it last week. And you should watch the Viva TV that is out now.
Dwayne Wade behind the scenes.

Also, my cream team, which

is Jacob and Zach in the office, who I hired to be my cream team. Ben Mintz.
Ben Mintz is a...

Advisor. He's an advisor to the cream team.
He's not officially. He's the advisor on free stuff.
Got it. He was tasked with...

doing what's going on the way yeah yeah letting someone dm him and then him being like yeah i can get you a meeting with dave Portnoy. Just give me like a free.

I've made the purchase. Oh, and it's coming tomorrow.
Whoa. So it's not going to be fully operational tomorrow because we need to get the actual manufacturer out to put it all back together.

Like, there's a couple pieces that need to be put back in.

But the soft serve ice cream machine will be in the office tomorrow. And it's probably going to be an expensive mistake, but I don't care because

it's never never going to make any money. Well, no, it pays for itself if it works.

And, like,

I think not actually. No, it does.
It could make money. It pays for itself for sure.
What do you mean? Well, you're not like we're getting any return. Let me explain.
Ice cream. Let me explain.

Let me explain how this is. It pays for itself, dude.
Let me explain how this is going to make money.

In about four years' time, when Brandon Walker's contract comes up and he's getting offers from Fox Sports and ESPN and Caller Daddy to leave and join them, They're offering maybe twice as much, but we're like, Brandon, we still got the ice cream machine.

He's like, God damn it, I got to stay. But we might not have,

I just love this place so gold damn much. It's probably going to break down, but

it's going to pay for itself. That's why, but aren't they going to learn how to use it? Yeah, they're going to learn how to use it.

I mean, I didn't, my cream team is not the smartest. Guys, how do you clean that thing?

It's probably going to need your power washer. That's what I was thinking.
No, it's

there's a whole thing. We also, we struck a deal with the people we're buying it from who have like a whole warehouse of different parts and all this stuff.

They're gonna do a deep clean once a week because I also learned about Listeria this week, which you can die. We don't want that, you can die from it, yeah.

So the only thing standing between us and Listeria is the cream team.

Yeah, it's bad. So wait, the only thing staying between us and Listeria is exactly who? Jacob and Zach.

Okay. Yeah, the cream team.
Do you guys ever clean your dishwasher?

Yeah.

Sure. All right, good.
That makes me feel good. Sure, do

what? Once a week.

That's the thing you have to do.

Oh, you run. Oh, no, you run it.
Are you talking about running it? Not like taking it out.

No, he's talking about in the bottom as a filtration, the filter thing. Yeah, definitely.
You can pull the filter out and shake it. You don't have to do it all the time.
Once a month,

you just run it. Once a month.
Yeah. It's like your oven.
That's what we do.

Yeah.

Once a month. You do that, right, Hank?

No, I did it for the first time in a year. How was it? Gross.
Yeah, all the food.

It's a filter through all the, so all the food doesn't run down the tube on the outside, so it collects it before it runs through. It's like a time capsule.
Yeah. Yeah.
Not good. Not good.

But either way,

we got ice cream on the way. I'm saying we're going to have soft serve ice cream in this office within the next 10 days.
And

boys, I've done the math. The only thing that we have to,

and I talked to Max about this, the only issue is

it's a big industrial machine, so

everyone's going to have to pull their part. Like, I'm going to have to do ice cream cream checks.
Like, have you had your ice cream today? If you haven't, gotta go.

Hank?

Hank's banned. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. No, he, I unbanned.
Yeah. Okay.
I'm just trying to post that. Fake news.
Max.

I thought about this. I think I would like sample cups right next to it.
And I think I might have like 20 sample cups a day. Okay.
That's fine. That's great.
Yeah. You know what I mean, though?

You're not cones. Sometimes

I want like a little taste, but I don't want the whole thing, but I'm going to have about 20 little tastes every day. What's expected per week? Like, what, what, what, what numbers are do you mean?

How much do you weigh? 180. You're going to have to eat about seven cones a week.

That's easy. Me,

I'm going to be around the 12 to 14,

morning, night. I can get you.
I guarantee you that there's going to be several times where at lunch, I'm like, oh, shit, I didn't bring a lunch. I don't really feel like ordering.

I'm just going to eat ice cream.

Sundays are going to be a joke. Oh, man.
I'm going to eat so much. You may have seven on Sundays.
I'm going to eat so much ice cream on football Sundays.

We're going to have to do bets of like every time your team gets scored on,

eat a cone. Oh, yeah, so excited.
It's gonna be great. Yeah, it's gonna be so great.

So let's hope it works because the only fear I have about the ice cream machine is once we introduce ice cream into the office, you can't then take it away. If you take it away, we'll die.

Yeah, like if you just have everyday soft-served ice cream and they're like, oh, today you don't have it anymore, that's death. Do you know why the McDonald's ice cream machines are never up?

Yeah, I found this out from my cream team. So they had a bad deal with with a manufacturer that

the deal was only they could fix, like the McDonald's staff couldn't fix their machines. Right, right.
So they had to call in someone. It's like printers.

You always have to call in like Pitney Bows or some shit to come fix your printer. But the update is the cream team told me that deal actually ended about six months ago.
Oh, so it's back.

So they're back. So they no longer have to go through that.
Okay.

Big time cream team update.

I'm excited. Yeah.
Very excited. I might eat more in the winter.
I might too. I love ice cream in the winter.
Yeah, especially especially because you get to wear a sweatshirt. Yeah.

So you don't have to feel fat after. Old, do you want to wrap us up? You got a fire fest? I was going to say, because

it doesn't make you cold. Oh, yeah.
But that too. That's a great point.
Yeah.

Yeah. Lego, that ice cream machine sounds really, really good.
Yeah.

So I don't know if it's my room to step on any toes or get excited about this, but like, what if we got sauces on the side? We're going to do toppings on Fridays. Oh, just toppings Fridays only.

I think sprinkles every day. Toppings Friday.
Yeah, because then everyone. What's that, Aid? That's too much high expectation if they want it every day.
That's too much. You only eat it on Fridays.

If you don't want to show up on Friday, guess what? You ain't getting toppings. You get no toppings.

No, I know. You guys know me.
I know me. And I know I'm being resistant.
And I know, but once I start, once I enjoy a cone, I'm eating like 20 cones a week. Yeah.
That's bad. Right.
No, but

that's what we need. That's a great life.

That's what the quota is. The quota has to be at a certain point.
And I think you're eligible and totally capable of finishing this off in seven days. Let me ask you this, Hank.

Do you think there's ever been someone on their deathbed who has said to themselves, man, I wish I hadn't eaten all that ice cream? Probably.

Actually, yeah, maybe like someone who like dies of heart failure. All right, but do you think

that was a bad question? Strike that from the no, because I think they're like worth it. Yeah.
That's probably other stuff, yeah. Yeah, right.

But do you think, has anyone ever been like, ooh, I, you know what I need to do is eat less ice cream? Do I think people, yes. Okay, these are bad questions.
Tell me out, PFT.

Well, no, it was a bad answer. I think that people that are on their deathbed that have heart trouble, they're like, I wish I hadn't smoked those cigarettes.

I know, they're probably like those cigarettes. Yeah.
All right. All right.
Here's a question. Easy question.
Ice cream. First word that comes to your mind.

Ice cream. No.

I was hoping you were going to say like, good, awesome. Love it.
Summer. Ice cream, good, right? Yeah.
Do you want more good things or less good things? More.

There you go there it is no i know

what if we got the chaco taco shells and we did taco tuesdays we could do that we could absolutely do that uh cherry salsa oldie you got a uh fire fest

yeah i got a fire fest there's always something bumping there's always something grinding um i appreciate you guys everyone here everywhere across the stool

Max just pulled

my story. Yeah, tell your story.
Tell me your way old. And he's grabbing me and mulling me over here.
Like, it's not nice. Speaking of that, was kind of what almost happened to me.

So I appreciate you guys. The boys from that chicklets threw me down there.
Game six in their barn. I came in live.
Let's go. I met up with memes, Dale, Beauty.
He was my camera guy.

Went down there, solo, dolo.

Great moves. You had awesome moves behind the glass.
I thought they were phenomenal. So I'm dancing on the glass, having a good time, firing up the boys, getting them in the kitchen.

Gotta go busy, busy. All of a sudden, the next thing you know,

security's telling me, hey, buddy, you can't be doing that. You gotta go.

buddy i'm just having a good time on the glass like what do you mean oh no your shirt's undone you can't be doing that twerking

buddy we're in the state of florida yeah everyone here is topless i've seen more thongs today than i have in the last three years up in canada so what are you telling me i can't have my shirt on sounds like sexism yeah yeah i was so i was like i was so like okay so i'm talking with the guys like what the fuck i was like what the

so i'm like why is this happening to me so i'm fucking now i'm pissed i'm like okay dude like i'm just trying to have a good time i'm not harming anyone so we're all in the group in the the console thing.

He's telling me. So, like, I said, guys, it's all good in the hood.
So, he walks away. I start walking away, me and memes, to go grab another cold one.
Quick. People are coming.
Oldie, oldie.

The guy in the all-green, canine security dog. They got the dog on you? No, it's the guy in all green, but he's in like a canine suit.
He just has canine pass.

Oh, I was going to say the dog would probably like sniff you and die. Oh, he would have been hungry.
He would have been passed right out on him.

They would have thought what happened to it, little pooch. He's done.
So I'm standing there. We walk away.
All of a sudden, he comes up to me. Hey, motherfucker, did you hear what I said?

You do that down the glass again, and you're fucking out of here. I said, hey, sir, listen, I apologize.
I told the guys I'm sorry. All good.
He goes, no, you didn't hear what the fuck I said.

I'm going to drag your ass out of here, pal. And you're gone.
Okay, brother. My bad.
All good. I appreciate you.
Go ahead. No big deal.
Second period comes on. Bollies are buzzing.

The leaves are going. Next thing you know, I see this guy comes back in between the second and third intermission.
Right away comes up to me. I thought, oh, fuck, here we go again.

what did i do now hey hey man i'm really sorry about that i want to apologize i didn't realize who you were i said what

i said are you

pal you were ready to spear tackle me right through this brick wall you were hungrier than the fucking you doesn't look like you've eaten in a long time so he power checked and he just like this apologize i appreciate all good man all good and it i'm thinking to myself you mother dog meat you were gonna he was ready to drag my ass and he was an oldie fan he was an oldie fan the next thing you know they told him who i was that's fine Second clearance.

Third period comes up. The boys are buzzing.
We're up 2-0.

Or we're up 1-0. I went to the glass.
Got to go.

Shirt open. Let's go.

Let's go.

So I'm like, I'm like this. I'm like this.
Let's go. I got the boys buzzing out there.
All of a sudden, the guy comes up. I go back and sit in my seat.

It's hot in here. I got to leave this off.
So the guy comes back up. And the next thing you know, he comes up.
Hey, come over here. I said, no, no, no, I'm not going anywhere, sir.

The usher again, the third time. I'm not going anywhere, sir, please.
And then the cop comes, hey, come on over here. I said, listen, officer, I don't want to go anywhere, brother.

Please, I want to stay in the barn. He goes, listen, you're a beauty.
You're doing a good thing, but he's not kicking you out. I'm venting for you.
I got you.

I said, officer, please, man, I ain't doing nothing wrong. We go walk upstairs, have another conversation.
Third time,

shooting the shit. All of a sudden, we're talking.
Next thing you know, I'm apologizing. I appreciate this, sir.
Shaking his hand. He goes, okay, no more.
I said, I promise no more shirt off.

So as I'm walking away, everyone thinks I got booted, right? I see Twitter, people saying, get out of here. My old lady's texting me, are you gone? Are you okay? I said, no, I'm good.

I'm good, baby Carol. I'm good.

Max, where are you going? Max, come back. Max, come back.
Max. The next thing you know, we're upstairs.
I'm shaking his hand, sir. I apologize.
I'll get. Okay, man, just enjoy the go of the game.

So memes is catching it on the whole video. And you know how there's the drape curtains? You know how there's the drape curtains there? Yeah.
A little crossover.

So I walk through the drape curtains after. I said, okay, buddy, take care.
I I look around. I say, you can't cook out good vibes.
Lego, busy, busy. They tried to boot me three times.

So no dice, you ain't kicking me out here. We're land up right on the glass level.
There we go. Cheering on the buds, telling them, let's go.
Scotty Lawton giving me the fist pump. I'm fired up.

It is so wicked in there. We got her going.
The buds came. And the fire fest is I went back for game seven and I tried my best.
And unfortunately, they couldn't pull through for me.

But yeah, I got my house almost stackled. Even in Toronto, that other guy, I'm dancing on the glass.
One ostracer comes up. Hey, you can't be doing that, buddy.
I said, sir, I'm having a good time.

Five minutes into the warm-up dance. Another guy comes in.

Hey,

buddy, you're gone. His name, I think his name was Richard.
I looked at him. I said, hey, listen.
Richard, no problem. I'm gone.
No, no, you can't be doing that on the glass here.

I said, listen, I'm with the guys. They got me ticks.
I'm out of the bump and grind out here. So the guy that got me the ticks, he said, hey, no, these guys are good.
They're with us.

We're with the Scotia Bank. All of a sudden, security walks down.
I said, oh, fuck, all the, might be another one kicking, kicked out of my own barn.

He comes to the guys, security goes to the usher, talks to them. Hey, don't touch him.
He's good. The security guy.

Security guy walks away all of a sudden because there's all these people crowded. They're filming.
You're getting excited. And all you just hear, Old D, Old D.

And then I just inspired and embraced it. I said, let's go.

Right back down on the glass burning turn. And I got shell shocked.
But yeah, that was a little bit extended for your your Fire Fest, but that's really life. Really awesome.

Awesome. You can't keep memes.
Are you okay?

All right, all right. We'll finish the show.
Oldie, always great having you. Appreciate you.
Love you all.

Bump and grab. Numbers.
35. 17.

Oldie, what's your number?

Oh, I got to go back to the roots. It's got to be four.
Come on. It's got to be my number.
It's got to hit. Max, what's

one?

One for Max. I'm going three.
Memes, did you say a number? Three. One.
ninety nine

thirty twenty-one

it's gonna be Nasher.

If it's Nasher again, Nasher again would be all time.

Pug looks like he's gonna cry in there.

I saw Pug give a look I've never seen in my life. Oh, 95.

Shane looked like a dad that thought he smelled weed.

Love you guys.

There you go. Busy, busy.
Let you go.