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Today is Wednesday, September 3rd.

And it's time to make some picks, boys.

It's time to make some picks.

I'm so excited.

I'm so excited.

I cannot wait.

Really, Thursday night's going to be awesome, but truly, I'm so pumped for Sunday when we just get lost in football.

Yeah.

So, obviously, Friday will be our full weekend preview, which we do every Friday.

We'll go through every game.

But today, we have Pete Prisco on, and we're going to do ourselves a little mini-preview of our own picks, our own predictions.

And we have some prompts that we said that we were going to answer.

We're also going to play our game of

new

same faces, new places.

I finally got that right.

Yeah, you know what it is.

It's just like, you know, somebody that will pop up in an unexpected spot this year in week one where you're like, oh, I forgot that guy now plays for this team.

Right, exactly.

Exactly.

All right, so should we start with some predictions?

Should we talk?

So the prompts were worst thing that could happen to your team.

And we'll go around the room.

Hank, would you like to start?

Sure.

Okay.

Everyone else can also add in what the worst thing that could happen to someone else's team, too.

I feel like this is a pretty pretty blanket statement for all of our teams, but I think especially the Patriots, maybe myself have been hyping them up a little bit too much.

There's been a lot of weird cuts with starters, defensive players.

It might take a few years to get back.

Are you getting into rosters?

Our roster is, you know, as I was getting excited for the team, it's like I've realized our roster is still not great.

And if we get an injury, you know, a Drake May injury early in the season, we could be just

bottom of the division.

Who's your backup?

Who's your backup?

Oh, Tommy DeVita.

Josh Dobbs.

Josh Dobbs.

Josh Dobbs.

He's reeling to the roster this year.

Okay.

I mean, he mentioned cuts, and I was like, huh, who got cut that you were like, whoa, that's weird.

I'll tell you who's not your backup is Joe Milton.

Joe Milton, I wish he was our backup.

That'd be more exciting.

Yeah.

Who got cut that made you say, hey, wow, this is going to be...

This is going to be a tough.

I'm blanking on the name.

Okay.

But it sounds like it affected you you so much that you've tried to black it out.

Peppers?

Yeah, Jabril Peppers.

Okay.

Okay, that is a

name.

Like, that's a name.

He's a projected starter.

No, I know.

That's a name people know.

I don't think that's about it.

He was obviously good at Michigan.

He was a first-round pick.

Like, that's a name.

But that's how you change the culture.

You got to get rid of those guys.

You got to cut a guy that everybody knows.

Right, but when you're getting rid of those guys, it's like that.

That means we're not there yet.

You were banking on Jabril Peppers.

It's going to take a couple years.

Well, it's just surprising when it's like, you know, a projected starter gets cut cut right before the season.

Question.

Yes.

Will you be taking back your words that you're going to have the best team on the podcast?

No.

Wow.

This is worst case scenario we're talking about.

Okay, yeah, yeah.

No, that's fair.

That's fair.

Do you want to just share with us best case?

Like, what you actually think is going to happen?

Best case, 12 wins, win the division.

And do you think?

Make the AFC championship.

And do you think that's going to happen?

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

Make the AFC championship.

Not win, but make it.

Yeah, you know, I don't want to get crazy.

Yeah.

Okay.

I guess I'll go next.

Good job, Hank.

I think we all know my worst case scenario.

It's that Caleb is dog shit.

That's pretty much it.

It's Caleb is dog shit.

Because even if the Bears' defense, which I have questions about, is bad, but Caleb looks good, you're like, hey, we could fix that.

That's not worst case.

It's essentially that everyone is good around Caleb and Caleb is just absolute dog shit.

That would be worst case scenario by far.

Yeah, because then you have to go through an entire new thing.

The whole thing.

The whole thing.

Although, I do, you know, Bayent,

there's going to be, if Caleb doesn't start hot, there's already a little bit of a Bayent crowd that's starting to spawn on Bears' Twitter.

And you're like, no way would this actually be a reality.

You got to remember there was

a full-on civil war on Bears' Twitter over Justin Fields and Caleb Williams.

Can I push back on your worst case scenario?

Isn't it worst case scenario that you still don't know after this season if Caleb's the guy?

Yeah, but it still is like...

That'd be worse because if you still don't know, then you have to do a whole nother offseason.

Like next year, my worst case is that Caleb sucks.

No, because even if he's dog shit, they're going to give him another year.

Probably.

So

you'd go another year down the line and it would all be like.

I could see Ben Johnson, though, if he's really bad this year, just be like, we're not doing it.

We're not going to do it.

I mean,

there's so much.

put into this.

No, because if he's like, if he's middle of the road, you could tell yourself you could win with that yeah like if he's actually dog shit and it's like he's he's yeah i get what you're saying like the the finality of it would be nice but uh i'm not saying middle of the road i'm saying worst case is that you're not sure if he's dog shit but that would imply middle of the road like it teetering that would be yeah the bottom half if you don't know then that's middle of the road like bottom half of middle of the road where it's like i i saw enough out of him we didn't win a lot he didn't play well but i saw enough especially at the end where it looks like now he's making the throw then i'd be like

maybe he could be good.

Yeah.

But that still is like, if he's dog shit, I actually think they would maybe, I guess there's levels to dog shit.

But

it would fuck everything up.

Yeah.

It was really bad.

Really, really bad.

Okay.

PFT?

I don't even want to say my worst case scenario.

My worst case scenario, because it does, I think about this every Sunday, is Jaden Daniels' knee exploding.

I think about it way too much.

Every time he gets hit, I think about it.

I guess worst case scenario is that

his mom releases him from no girls and he starts dating girls, then he gets bad at football and his knee explodes.

That would be a bad one.

What if his knee doesn't explode and he's just bad?

Sophomore slum?

If he just becomes bad?

Well, I mean,

that would be the meanest thing that the universe has ever pulled on me.

Like, Jaden Daniels goes out there this year and it looks like he got all his talent stolen and he just sucks.

I don't think so.

And it was like a year of, you know,

no one had enough film on Jaden last year, so they weren't able to stop him.

And then after one offseason, it's like the league found an answer.

That would just destroy me, actually, if Jaden went out there and was just bad at football.

Has that not crossed your mind?

I don't think he's going to be bad at football, but is there a sophomore slump in your mind?

You're like, there's no way.

I do think, and I talked about it with Booger, but I think that there is a great possibility that the team plays better and

we have a worse record.

So that didn't answer my question.

Sophomore slump,

he might regress a little bit, especially on fourth down, it's impossible to be that good two years in a row.

But I think he'll probably be better at some other stuff.

I think he's going to keep improving.

So sophomore slump hasn't really entered your mind?

That hasn't entered my mind, but the idea of him just going out there and sucking and almost like last year was a complete mirage.

Well, that would be sophomore slump.

That would be like just he sucks, though.

Yeah.

Like,

that has entered my mind occasionally.

But I just...

Every single Sunday when I watch him get hit, I think about like, good God, it looks like his knee's about to explode.

And it never does, and I'm scared of the day that it does happen.

If we're in the trust tree, I'm deathly afraid of it

all the time.

And then we'll probably smile, Max, as he's getting carted off the field, and he'll be happy.

Yeah,

we'll get to my worst-case scenario.

Okay.

Oh,

oh, I guess I should have thrown my worst-case scenario as the Packers win the Super Bowl too.

At the same time, in conjunction,

because that definitely is on the table.

All right, Zach, Bucks.

Two quick worst-case scenarios for the Buccaneers.

One is this is on trend for everyone else, but if Baker Mayfield gets hurt, he's one of the co-captains of the team, has a great hold on the locker room.

The guys play for him.

That would be catastrophic.

Teddy Bridgewater could step up, but I just want to see Baker have a great season.

We got some real weapons or wide receivers this year.

I feel like injuries are kind of a cop-out in this exercise because everyone

injuries are just part of the game.

I'll redo mine.

My other one is if Saquon Barkley avoids the Madden curse and is just on again this year, because if Saquon is nice again, I think the Eagles might win the Super Bowl.

And

I'm trying to go to the Super Bowl.

And so if Saquon's on, then it's an issue.

That's actually smart.

Because, yeah,

if the Eagles go to the Super Bowl, the Bucs will not be going to the Super Bowl.

Yes.

And I'm terrified of Saquon again, so I need the Madden curse to stick.

I can redo mine.

No, yours was good.

Because yours was talking about like the roster and that you're a couple years away.

And losing to the Jets twice would be worst case scenario.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, yeah.

That's a good add-on.

I think

everyone's worst case scenario is the Jets win the Super Bowl and then memes is just

I bet on Jets over wins.

Okay.

Wait, you want to redo yours?

Because you know what I mean?

Like everyone could say an injury is a bad scenario.

If you lose your best player, you're going to be screwed.

Yeah.

So.

My worst case scenario then is that it might be the Commanders win the Super Bowl and then I'm just a dick all the time.

And I'm just like, fuck you guys.

And I completely change and I become a dickhead And I'm walking around like no one can talk to me.

And then no one can say anything to me ever again because I won one Super Bowl.

Yeah.

That's probably my worst case scenario.

Okay,

I hope that doesn't happen.

Yeah, I don't think it will.

I don't think it will.

All right, Max.

I kind of want PFT to take the headphones off for my worst case scenario.

Oh, okay.

PFT, will you take the headphones off, please, for your worst-case scenario?

You'll probably end up yelling, so I'll be able to hear it anyway.

That's true.

Okay.

Without PFT listening to this,

my worst case scenario is that Jayden Daniels becomes Patrick Mahomes and I have to deal with Patrick Mahomes

for the next 15 years in my division.

If he just takes

the next step and is just unbeatable and is so good and he's just there forever.

That's worst case scenario.

And don't tell PFT about this.

I won't.

I don't think about it that often.

Yeah.

But because the Eagles, we're the better team now.

And we have young players on defense and everything.

But

what if Patrick Mahomes is just in my division?

What about the Eagles specifically?

The Eagles specifically?

Secondary.

I'm worried about the secondary.

If the secondary just sucks and then our defense isn't the same.

Yeah.

And then we're, and then we're playing from behind, and then it's a different game.

But that, I'm less, I'm more,

I'm more confident, I'm more confident in our defense than I am in Jane Daniels just not being, like, the best.

Okay.

Okay.

Can you put my headphones on?

Yeah, you put your headphones back on.

You know, I was just thinking about, like, actually, this scenario, my worst case, it might happen because Jane Daniels might just be the next Patrick Bowen.

Yeah.

But a different division.

Different division.

In the NFC East.

Yeah.

And then we might.

Patrick Bowser is the NFC East.

And then I'd have to become the Nick Wright of Jaden Daniels's.

Yeah.

And I'd have to just talk to Matt.

Jayden Daniels beaten no quarterbacks last year, though.

Joe Burrow's a pretty good quarterback.

Jared Goff's a pretty good quarterback.

Baker Mayfield's a pretty good quarterback.

Does Jaden Daniels play against quarterbacks?

Also a good question.

Kind of.

Jared Goff plays defense.

Jaden does play against secondaries.

And the Eagles, Max, I think you were saying last week that you're very confident in the Eagles' secondary.

What?

Yeah, you did say that last week.

When did I said that last week?

Yeah.

I just said that was the one thing I'm not confident.

Oh, I didn't hear that.

I didn't have my headphones.

He wouldn't know that.

I said, I'm not confident in the Eagles.

Oh, you're not?

Because that's who plays against Jaden Daniels.

Yeah.

At least you're not worried about it.

I think what they call that in the show is PFT is intentionally playing dumb to you, Max, because he actually did hear everything you said.

So now he's saying that the opposite of what you said in terms of the secondary.

Maybe Kenny Pickett.

It was almost a tie in the first half of the NFC Championship game at one point.

All right, memes.

Jets win five to six games, miss the playoffs, get outside the top ten, and miss out on a really good quarterback.

So you just described exactly what's happening.

I bet on that.

Wait, memes,

that was not even.

That's

close to a leap.

Yeah,

that's a worst case scenario.

I think you just described the Jets season.

Both can be true.

The Jets season and the worst case scenario can be true.

The Jets winning too many games might be the worst thing that can happen to you.

Too many games is, I think we're in the playoffs.

Would you rather them win nine games or three?

Three.

If I had to bet.

Did design get you in the playoffs?

No, no.

Oh, three.

If I had to bet.

That is a lie, by the way.

That is a lie.

Memes is like all of us.

It's like week to week, he's going to want to win.

On Sundays, you can't stop memes from coming to that locker room and competing his balls off.

But in the macro,

if memes was a GM, he'd say, yeah, ideally, the best case scenario would be we win three games this year, we get a great draft pick.

But like all these scenarios

are like, there's a chance, but maybe it's not, you know, a full-on.

What you described, I feel like it's a 90% chance of what's going to happen.

The Jets Jets win a thousand six games.

We'll find out week one.

We'll find out week one.

That's the beauty football memes.

I actually like you guys on Sunday.

I'm going to bet on the Jets.

They have to win Sunday.

Yeah.

It's a must-win.

Yeah.

Okay, let's not have any of these scenarios happen.

Let's not have any of these scenarios happen.

Agreed.

Agreed.

Really?

Do you think that if Caleb was dog shit, they wouldn't.

I think they would still play him another year.

It's about how many guys get three years.

There's levels to dog shit, though.

Yeah, of course.

If he's like all out dog shit, but like if it's more like, I know he's bad, but they're going to have to give him a third year because they always give guys that draft that high three years.

I think the problem would be, and I don't think it's going to happen.

I've been on record saying I think that Caleb's going to be very improved next year.

I think that the Bears are going to be better than people think that they're going to be.

But if it goes sideways, the problem is Caleb and his dad are going to have a media feeding frenzy this offseason.

Oh, yeah.

And they'll burn some bricks.

That's fine.

So I don't know that he would come back for another year.

The organization is definitely equipped for that.

It's totally fine.

It's fine.

Ben Johnson and I think Caleb's going to have a good year.

I think.

Yeah.

I think.

But that's the thing.

I love that you guys have a Monday primetime game.

Oh, fuck you, Hank.

You're such a sicko and a pervert and a weirdo.

But that's the thing with the 1-1 pick is like you always, I think they always get three years.

I would have to look it up, but I feel like guys always get three years.

Yeah, so if Caleb were to be traded right now before the season, what do you think?

One first-round pick?

I have no idea.

But that's where it's like tricky.

It's like,

I agree with you in a sense, like the middle ground, but the middle ground could mean that he could be good enough that if you get the roster up, you could have a decent team.

Right.

Whereas if he's dog shit, I think they would play him another year and it would be like he's dog shit.

Game manager.

That would be very funny if people started to refer to Caleb as being a game manager.

I mean, I said game manager.

Game manager.

Okay, should we do,

let's see, MVP.

Everyone got an MVP pick?

I'm taking Joe Burrow this year.

Joe Burrow's my pick.

You know what?

That was going to be my pick.

But you can take a look.

But I'm going to change.

I'm going to change.

I'm taking Jordan Love.

What are the odds for on the DraftKings sports football?

You're such a dick.

No, no, you could take Burrow.

We could all take Burrow.

I think the Packers are going to be filthy.

That's not even trolling either.

Yeah, you heard Prisco say it.

Burrow's plus 550.

Plus 550 in this DraftKings sports recap.

What do you got, PFT?

I'm going to bet him again this year.

I did it last year.

It almost worked out.

Lamar Jackson.

Okay, Jordan Love is 20 to 1 on the DraftKings Sports Recap.

Lamar Jackson is also plus 550.

Boys in the booth, you guys got a pick?

I'm picking Jalen Hurts.

Everyone hates him and thinks that he sucks, and then he's going to play on a chip in his shoulder, and then he's going to win Super Hurts MVP.

Whoa.

And Super Hurts MVP.

I got what Zach's probably gonna pick.

Baker?

Yeah.

I like that.

I'm also gonna pick Baker Mayfield.

I like that.

I like Baker.

Plus 2,500.

Weapons.

I kind of like the

DraftKings sports build.

Bucks to win the Super Bowl just as a long shot.

What's that odds at?

Give me that real quick.

I do like the Bucs this year a lot.

High on them.

Do you guys want to do Least Improved?

Yes.

Least Improved Player of the Year.

A very mean award.

But go ahead, Hank.

It's just going to be tough because he had such a blazing hot first year, and they have a much harder schedule.

Jayden Daniels.

That's all.

I honestly agree.

That is also my pick.

Oh.

I think these are great picks.

Let's improve.

I've noticed that he's been getting a lot of hate recently in the media.

That's fine.

Chip on his shoulder.

We'll be good.

Bucks are 25-1 to win the Super Bowl.

Wait,

Jaden Daniels hasn't hasn't been getting hate in the media.

I just heard two people on the New York Times.

What was that?

On the National Sports Show.

I just heard factor fiction.

Okay.

I heard two people, two of the biggest voices in sports media just say that he was going to regress this year.

I also.

No, they didn't say he was going to regress.

Least improved doesn't mean he regresses.

No.

One of the guys definitely said that he was not going to live up to that first year.

If he stays exactly the same, that could be the least improved.

I just said the thing I'm most worried about is him being Patrick Mahomes.

You didn't have your headphones.

I I didn't hear that.

I didn't hear that.

But I did hear one guy say that he's not going to live up to what happened in his first year.

And this guy is locked in on NFL rosters.

Have you tried to find any actual hate for Jaden Daniels

in the world?

It's mostly the comment sections.

Okay.

Mostly like

Lil Bro ass.

Yeah.

Yeah, a lot of Lil Bro ass.

I feel like you can't even find that.

Yeah, I know.

That's really hard to find as well.

Eagles fans?

There's a lot of Lil Bro ass out there.

Do you think so?

Yeah.

You're finding the Lil Bro ass.

I'm seeing the Lil Bro ass, and then when I see the Lil Bro ass, I remember the Lil Bro ass.

Are you searching for it?

You can't go online without seeing Lil Bro ass.

Yeah, but are you getting

a question?

I'm going to find where the Lil Bro ass is.

Lil Bro ass might not be a direct query.

It might be an amalgamation of all the hate that he's getting that I've combined.

It's one succinct phrase in my brain that sums it up nicely.

Yeah, I mean,

this is like when Nick Sabin would be like, you know, they don't believe in us.

Yeah.

Like,

I don't think I've seen anyone say anything bad about Jaden Daniels.

It's all, he's a top five quarterback.

I've seen it.

I've seen it.

Well,

the NFL top 100, he was in the teens.

Oh, no.

Yeah, which everybody, we all pay attention to that.

Okay, least improved is Jayden Daniels for you two.

So you're right, PFT, there's Lil Bro ass going around.

I'm going to say least improved player, and it is kind of a hard one because he kind of stunk last year at times.

I think Kyler Murray is just not going to get it.

I think he's already been what he's been.

He's not going to get it.

It's just what we see from Kyler Murray.

It was, you know, the first couple years were great.

Everything else, I think it's just going to stay exactly the same.

There's going to be a couple games where we're like, holy shit, he's awesome, and then he's just not.

Okay.

Mine is going to be a similar quarterback and a guy that we kind of believe in a little bit that it was cool to see his bounce back last year at the end.

I think it might be Bryce Young.

Because he was perfect.

So it's going to be hard to replicate what happened at the end of 2024.

Okay.

We'll have to check these against the numbers.

Lil Bro might be ass.

Might be ass.

And he is the little.

He's the littlest bro.

Yeah.

Zach?

My least improved player for this upcoming season is going to be Aaron Rodgers.

He didn't play most of the season last year due to injury.

I think he's going to

regret it.

He played every game.

Yeah.

My bad.

I might be mixed up.

I might be in a little bit of a blender.

I think he's going to regret playing this year.

I think he's old.

I think he needs to go enjoy the fruits of his labor.

I apologize for the year pivot.

That's on me.

You know if it's happened.

He was a top-five quarterback at one point.

I think he's just going to be like, I should just go to Boca, go to the beach, enjoy my life.

Yeah.

Statistically, he was top five quarterback in passing yards and touchdowns.

It was because the Jets hadn't taken a bye yet, and he played a Thursday night game before anyone else played that week.

So he had like two extra games and everyone else.

I'm out on Aaron Rodgers.

I was wrong.

That was a perfect storm of statistical data that

your brain couldn't handle.

It said that he was in the top five.

I was like, oh my God.

I did two more starts than everyone else at that given point.

But memes, I don't hate it.

You got a scratch and claw to play for your guy.

Yeah.

Memes, least improved.

Patrick Mahomes.

Oh.

Well, he was kind of maybe a down year last year.

He was definitely had a down year statistically last year.

You think he's going to not improve off that?

AFC West is better.

He's already really good, so it's hard to improve after being that good.

But he was bad last year at times.

Like, statistically, Patrick Mahomes had a bad year for him.

Yeah, I just think he's on the downhill.

Oh.

How old is Mahomes now?

28?

Yeah, he's getting old, getting real old.

He's getting super old.

What about Najee Harris?

At least improved.

Yeah.

That was my other.

Did you say that he's been cleared?

No.

Oh, Petro is about to be 30.

Really?

Yeah, he's going to be 30 in two weeks.

Najee Harris is a good one.

Yeah.

He's cleared for full contact.

I was also thinking maybe Sam Darnold.

Sam Darnold, yeah, but he was pretty good last year.

He was pretty good until the last few games of the season.

Yeah, but like the whole...

I'm thinking the totality of last year versus the totality of this year.

Yeah.

Could be least improved.

I think that's probably a good point.

Yeah.

We saw maybe the peak of Sam Darnold last year.

Yeah, least improved.

Okay.

Do you guys want to do your Super Bowl picks?

And then we'll do the new.

Oh, I have such a good guy for comeback.

Oh, do it.

Let's do comeback player of the year.

Yes, sorry.

That's my bad.

Go.

Give it to us.

Ready?

Yes.

Carson Wentz.

Oh, you shut the fuck up.

Goes to the Vikings.

Goes to the Vikings.

J.J.

McCarthy isn't it.

And they're like, all right, actually, we need one more year behind him.

I don't hate that.

Carson Wentz comes in,

is the Vikings quarterback guy, gets them to the playoffs after they go down, like lose their first three games.

Carson Wentz.

I hate it.

I don't hate it.

Max, would you be so mad?

No, I would be so happy.

I mean, the Eagles are good.

Like, I don't have any ill will towards Carson Wentz.

We won that breakup, so it's like,

I want him to have some success.

That trade that you guys got from the Colts may be

awesome trade.

One of the all-time great fleecings.

It's a great trade.

Yeah.

Great trade.

All-time.

He's going to love that stadium.

That's the stadium that kills all those birds because they fly into the wall.

That's right.

Yeah.

That's right.

All right.

I'm comeback player of the year.

I'm going with

Dak Prescott, I think, is going to win this award.

Okay.

I think he's going to win this award because I think he's going to, I think the Cowboys are not going to be great, but I think Dak is going to put up his numbers.

And we're going to play with that whole like, ooh, are the Cowboys, is Dak Prescott one of the top five quarterbacks?

Like, that whole discourse is going to happen at some point this year, but they're still going to stink.

You just kept saying numbers and me just kept saying three back

uh what are the what's the comeback player of the year uh

numbers plus 275 oh okay never mind cancel that because that's way too uh he's the favorite by far oh what about what about little dj little but what about a little daniel jones 20 to 1 comeback player of the year

i kind of like that i always like the guys that went comeback player of the year coming back from sucking yeah like they do injury.

It's like they were just bad at football.

Yeah.

And holy shit, this guy doesn't suck anymore.

Yeah, he's not as bad as he was.

PFT Hank?

I'm going Trevor Lawrence.

He's 5-1, but

it's kind of a gamble.

I like it.

He got injured at the end of the year.

Injured at the end of the year, new coach, offensive coach.

Stepping into his throws now?

Might work out, might not, but

it could happen.

Okay.

All right.

You guys are going to hate this one.

Big Cat especially, because I know how he feels about this team.

Tua.

Oh.

Tua comeback player of the year.

I mean, I like Tua, so I don't hate this one.

I thought you were going to say Joe Milton.

Joe Milton, that's not a comeback player of the year.

Everyone knows that Joe Milton's always been great.

Yeah.

You can't come back from greatness.

I don't hate the Tua pick.

But if everything goes right in Miami, he still has Tyreek Hill, if everything goes right.

He still has a great offensive mind in Mike McDaniels, if everything goes right.

It's the everything goes right.

If it's a perfect storm for Tua,

then yes, he will win that award.

Are you a little worried you might be a year early on that?

What do you mean?

He needs to suck again?

No, get hurt again.

You're a year early on him playing a full season.

No, I think Tua's got it this year.

He's got it?

He's got it this year.

They're going to limit the hits that he takes.

He's been practicing karate.

He's been practicing falling down.

Yep.

They've probably got the slip and slide out there.

They've probably got the pad that he's practicing getting tackled onto.

No, I don't hate that pick because when Tua plays, he's decent.

It's just he's got to play.

And all he has to do is just find Tyreek downfield.

Yeah.

Fuck it, Tyreek down there somewhere.

Well, and also, Tyreek has to stay downfield.

That's true.

He's got to stay on the team.

He's got to stay on the team.

He's got to stay off the internet.

Videos need to.

He just needs to put up a filter online being like any video of Tyreek Hill that comes out is blocked.

Yeah.

All right.

Super Bowl picks.

Or sorry, you have comeback player of the year, memes and max or Zach

Mash Crosby plus $2,500.

Okay.

Nick Chubb, new team, fresh start, physical running back, fun to watch.

Love that.

What are Tua's odds?

Is he up there?

Tua has got to be up there.

25 to 1 on the DraftKings Sports book.

Okay.

That's good.

All right.

Last one.

Super Bowl picks.

And then we'll do hot seat, cool throne, and get to our duel and Pete Prisco and Michael Irvin.

Hank.

Green Bay Packers, 12-10.

Win the Super Bowl.

Win the Super Bowl.

Man.

Really?

You really like that Prisco interview?

I just, it's.

I mean, the NFC North is tough, but I just feel like the Michael Parsons is a huge ad.

They got it all.

I got a question for you, Hank.

Yeah.

Do you trust Matt LaFleur?

I do.

You do?

I like Matt LaFleur.

I've always liked him.

You trust him.

Big game, big moment.

Yeah, I mean, he's had, it's kind of like he's, it's the progression of being a coach of his caliber.

He's a great coach.

He's obviously gone through it.

He's been in these spots before.

This is kind of the next step.

All right.

PFT?

I'm going to go with Detroit.

Okay.

The Lions, 14-1.

14-1.

They still have a great roster.

Hutchinson back on the field.

That's going to make a big difference.

Jared Goff is him.

They've got a good offense.

All right.

Zach.

Not to sound like a delusional fan, but I do think we have a great team this year in the Tambay Buccaneers, and I think there's a legitimate opportunity for us to go to the Super Bowl.

Okay.

So you're going to pick them as your Super Bowl pick?

I'm going to take them as a Super Bowl pick.

I'm going to ride.

That might be a little chalk, but I like 25 to 1.

No, it's not.

It's the opposite of chalk.

Eagles

are the obvious pick, so I'm going to go elsewhere.

Eagles are my number one pick, but if I weren't to say Eagles, I'm going to go with the Denver Broncos 22 to 1.

Defense is incredible.

Bo Nicks takes the next step.

I think they're a fun team at 22 to 1.

Memes.

I like the Ravens plus 600, but

I'm going to go with the Rams plus 2,200.

Okay.

I like that pick.

Devontae Adams is a huge upgrade.

All right.

The Bills is who I think is going to win the Super Bowl if you wanted a long shot.

I just can't quit the Bengals 25 to 1.

I just think Joe Burrow in a playoff setting.

That defense could just be halfway decent.

Just halfway decent.

I don't hate it.

25 to 1.

You know what I've been to?

Recently, I've been doing the fast futures on DraftKings.

Yeah.

So

they're futures, but they expire after four weeks.

So it's really just the first month of the season.

I got Lamar Jackson and Jaden Daniels to combine for 600-plus rushing yards after four weeks.

So it's a perfect bet because if one has a down week, it doesn't matter.

The other can run for 150 yards.

You feel good about it.

So it's combined for 600-plus rushing yards after four weeks.

I got it plus 1,400.

I I think it's down to plus 1,000 now.

Still, I think a good bet.

Still a fun bet.

Okay, that is fun.

Fast futures on DraftKings Sportsbook.

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Hank, hot seat, cool truck.

My hot seat is Team Europe.

We're talking Ryder Cup?

Talking Ryder Cup.

They announced their captain's pick when USA announced theirs.

There's a lot of memes and

tweets and stuff of people making fun of the U.S.

team for being serious and stoic on their call, like on the video call.

Everyone had a straight face.

Yep.

Team Europe announced theirs, I think, on Sunday or Monday.

And to kind of troll Team USA, they made sure that everyone on their call was smiling and happy face.

And it just made me want to beat him that much more.

I'm so excited for the Ryder Cup.

And we got to win.

Very good.

Got to win.

We got to win.

Got to win.

Got to go.

We got to go.

My cool throne is Max Johnson.

Yeah.

Bad night for UNC.

Very bad night.

Why wouldn't happen?

They got smoked by TCU.

Can I ask a question?

Yep.

Because we recorded, obviously, the game is still going on, but now that the dust dust has settled, we're dating removed.

At what point is it like legacy tarnishing for Belichick?

It's not.

It's different, different sport, different league.

Well, it's the same exact sport.

It's football.

Same exact sport.

But different.

It's college.

I mean, there's look, Nick Saban.

Is that why you don't watch college?

What about Nick Sabin?

You don't think it's

him being horrible in the NFL doesn't tarnish his

timeline.

Yeah, now if

Belichick left after like nine weeks and then got rehired by the NFL and then won like six Super Bowls, then legacy back on.

I don't, listen,

he was great in college before he went to the NFL.

What?

Like Saban was good and then he was bad and then he was good.

Yep.

Right, he finished good.

Finished good.

That's important.

That's

not an NFL.

He's never had a, he's never was good.

Right, but he's the greatest.

He's proven that

you can be good in one NFL or college and not.

Okay, so you're right.

I see what you're saying.

But Saban also, like, it wasn't catastrophic.

I'm asking if it's like catastrophic, catastrophic.

Like, is there a time where he's got to bail?

And again, I don't think, like, it's legacy tarnishing.

No one's going to be like, Bill Belichick can't coach football.

He's not the best NFL coach of all time.

It's more

weird shit when it happens at the end kind of changes how people like see it a little bit.

It leaves a bad taste.

I don't think so.

I think if this is a complete disaster, I don't think it will be.

But if it is, in 10 years, people will kind of just forget it ever even happened.

Okay.

All right.

Because the legacy in the NFL is so good that it's kind of, it's not, people won't remember

college.

If you went to an NFL team, it was a disaster, different story, I think.

Okay.

Okay.

Because then you could play the Brady Belichick thing.

Yeah, but Max Johnson almost lost his leg last year, came all the way back, threw a touch onto his brother.

Yeah.

Big bad Brad was in the stands.

Some things.

Love that.

Big time, some things.

Do you think they're going to turn it around?

Yeah.

Because you are, as a die-hard UNC fan as of this season, that was a tough night.

Yeah, it was.

But again, it's a long season.

Yeah, different sport.

Different sport.

It is.

Different sport.

All right.

PFT, your hot seat, Cool Trump.

My hot seat is Jerry O'Connell.

Okay.

Because we've got our fantasy draft coming up, and Jerry has been not the most responsive to text messages.

You can tell he's feeling the pressure right now.

And the league just upped the buy-in that we're in.

Now, it'll interest you to know that the one guy that was very opposed to upping the buy-in, well, actually, there were two.

One was Jerry because he kept saying he had to to check with his wife and his wife said no, despite the fact that per page six of the New York Post, he said that him and his wife have separate bank accounts.

Right.

So Jerry's using his wife as an excuse to cheap out, even though we know that that money is coming out of his account.

Correct.

And we just paid him $6 million to host Camp Barstool.

And Jerry, I believe Jerry.

$60.

Yes.

$60 million.

$60 million.

Also, Jerry has taken it upon himself to set the draft order in this league again, despite nobody asking him to, which I appreciate the self-starting by Jerry.

Somebody's got to do it.

Someone has to step up.

So Jerry set the draft order, and he has us drafting fourth.

Seems like that's a spot that he would have put himself in.

This would be the second year in a row that he gave himself an advantageous pick.

in the fantasy draft, and now the league is kind of revolting against Jerry for once again declaring a draft order without checking with anybody else.

So Jerry on the hot seat.

Do you agree with my take about draft orders in fantasy?

I do.

I don't really care where I draft.

I do, like, I don't understand why people get so upset about where they draft or like it's rigged for the draft.

I actually would rather not have the first pick in a fantasy draft.

I think that sucks because you're like, this guy has to be good, and he can't get injured because I'm not going to pick it again for like 20 picks.

I'm actually okay with four is a great spot.

Yeah, four is a perfect spot.

Four is a great spot.

I actually love having like seven or eight and getting watching like the first six picks go go and then knowing you can wrap around.

I just, people get, like, they're like, I see a lot of it because I pick, you know, people will ask me, can you do the draft for me?

And I pick the draft and it's like, oh, it's rigged.

It's like, dude, what does it matter?

It's a snake draft.

Like, who cares?

Yeah, that's the whole point of a snake draft is that it makes it advantageous, even to go at the end of the draft.

I actually, that's the one spot I don't like going last.

Oh, I like going last.

Just because you feel like I'm not going to get anyone good.

And then it comes to you and you're like, oh, I can get two good players.

Yeah, I like going last.

I don't like being square in the middle.

I like, you know, when my pick is up, be like, I got two guys.

But see, that's why I feel like you can argue this a million different ways.

And it's all the same because, like, being in the middle to me, whenever I get in the middle, when I'm like five or six, I'm like, guess what?

There won't be any runs without me getting a pick-in.

You know what I mean?

Like, there won't be the crazy, oh, everyone just took all the quarterbacks, and I'm sitting there, and I don't have a pick for like 15 picks.

So

it's overrated.

All right, go ahead.

Your cool throne.

My cool throne is actually the Carolina Tar Heels.

Because Belichick said after the game that we're better than what we were tonight.

Oh, that's good.

So they're not that bad per Belichick.

He sees it in practice.

I don't know.

Do they practice?

That implies that they practice.

I don't know what they're doing.

Because every single thing that could go wrong did go wrong.

Like, they couldn't hand the ball off.

They couldn't pitch the ball.

They couldn't tackle.

They couldn't catch.

It was bad.

They, most of the night, couldn't throw.

They had one great drive, that first drive.

Also, if you look back on some of the tweets, especially from like Skip Bayless, after that first drive,

he was like, uh-oh, look what Bill's back big time.

The hell that Bill is about to unleash on college football is incredible.

I think he said, wow, Belichick has a national championship offense.

Heels just shredded the Frogs defense.

But yeah, I think

I'm going to trust Bill.

He's forgotten more about football than anyone has ever known, which literally might be the case.

I don't know.

He's getting older.

But yeah, he said, listen,

you saw a team that was unrecognizable to me tonight.

We're not that bad.

We're way better than what we showed up.

Okay.

Or maybe they're unrecognizable.

They could be worse.

They might be worse.

They could be worse than that.

Yep.

All right.

My hot seat is us because we keep forgetting to do it, but let's do it, Zach.

Give us, you have like 10 to 15 names, some new

same faces, new places.

Give it to us.

Give us the names, and then do we want to try to guess what we're doing?

Yeah, we can guess them.

Yeah, let's go.

One name at a time.

Yeah.

Yeah, go ahead.

Okay, I've got

Sincere McCormick.

Oh, I don't know.

Ooh, that was a tough start.

Very, very tough.

Really tough start.

Really, I thought you were going to do like guys who are maybe a little.

We can pivot.

Okay, no, no, no.

Go ahead.

Go ahead.

Tell us what Jones.

Daniel Jones.

Wait, where's Sincere?

Daniel Jones.

I just

haven't been very tuned into where Sincere McCormick's been going.

But Daniel Jones,

good follow-up, Colts.

Where is Sincere McCormick?

He's now with the San Francisco 49ers.

Okay, all right.

Okay.

Formerly the

Las Vegas Raiders.

Okay, that was huge.

All right, so Daniel Jones Colts were one for two.

Kenny Pickett?

Kenny Pickett is not in Cleveland.

No, he got you.

He went to the Raiders?

Yes, the Raiders.

Backup for the Raiders.

All right.

That is correct.

Okay.

Tim Jones.

Tim Jones.

Can you use it in a sentence?

Yeah.

Use Tim Jones in a sentence.

Tim Jones plays football for the.

Hey, Tim Jones is one of those guys that

football.

Tim Jones has fled from one team.

He has now found a new home at.

And it's very cold.

Vikings.

That is correct.

Oh, right.

Well, that was the coldest theme I could think of.

Okay.

DK Metcalf.

He's on the States.

Yeah.

Stephon Diggs.

He's on the Patriots.

Jermichael Hastie.

Don't know.

Don't know.

Very warm.

Last to Aqueduct?

Yes, sir.

I got one for you that

I forgot a little bit because of maybe our lack of hard knocks, but are just kind of blocked out, but Joey Bose has been on the Bills.

Yeah.

That's going to take me a second where he's going to get a sack like week two, and I'll be like, oh, yeah, nice.

What other ones?

Braxton Barrios?

Texans.

That is correct.

Yeah.

I follow his girlfriend online.

Audrick Estime?

Don't know.

I was high on him.

Eagles.

Oh.

Okay.

After camp.

Okay.

Zach, do this one.

Puna Ford?

He is on the Rams.

Rams.

Yeah.

He didn't even have to leave the building.

Yeah, he he just went across the hallway.

Puna Ford.

Quick trip?

I think the Chargers let him out the door.

Max, do you see any others on the list that he should do?

I just really want him to do Poona Ford.

I can't see the list.

Gary Brightwell?

Don't know.

What are Gary Brightwell's career stats?

Can you give us Gary Brightwell?

What state?

State of origin.

You want the state?

The state of moving from.

The state of moving from would be Ohio.

Okay.

The state he moved to.

He just said what state of Cincinnati is.

That would also be Ohio.

So he moved from Ohio to Ohio.

Okay, so

I know that he was on the Bengals last year.

No,

he was on the Browns.

He just whispered, what state of Cincinnati?

And when I asked from, I thought this booth was a safe space.

It's not a safe space.

You said it out loud.

You could hear it.

You said it out loud.

And watched you say it.

I thought he was on the Bengals last year.

No, I'm pretty sure he was on the Browns last year.

Now he's on the Bengals, right?

I think we're going to Ohio to Ohio, yes.

It's an Ohio to Ohio transfer.

He was signed by the Bengals in November, early November last year.

So he's still on the Bengals.

So he hasn't.

Oh, no, he got released.

Yeah.

So he's not on the Bengals anymore.

Oh, so none of this is right.

Per Wikipedia, Gary Brightwell has been released.

Sir, a second Ohio team has released Gary Brightwell.

Well, I'm happy we got the Gary Brightwell updates because that was important.

I mean, he's too good of a player to just sit out there.

Yeah, he's on the practice squad.

Okay,

that's huge.

He's on the Bengals practice squad.

All right, you got last one?

Brian Robinson Jr.

He's on the 49ers.

Yeah.

That is correct, yes, sir.

He's going to be like Forrest Gump meeting LBJ when he sees Ricky Pearsall.

Good job.

You want to see my scar?

Good job

with where I do.

Was there any others?

I don't think there's any other.

I guess I'll throw a couple out there.

I forgot Mac Jones was on the 49ers.

It's usually like backups where I'm like, oh, shit, that guy's there.

Cooper Rush is on the Ravens now.

That's right.

Yeah.

Who else?

You ready for this one?

This one actually is a very good one that we all need to remember.

Gardner Minshew is a chief.

Because that will fuck us up.

That will.

That will definitely fuck us up when that happens.

Cooper Cup is a Seahawk.

Yes.

Yeah.

And Devontae Adams is a Ram.

Ram.

Yep.

Yep.

Javante Williams, cowboy.

Cowboy.

That's one.

Rico Dowdle, Panther.

Yeah, that, yeah.

Yeah.

J.K.

Dobbins.

J.K.

Dobbins is a Bronco.

Yep.

Yeah, see, I'm good on these ones.

It's the Gary Brightwells that really messed me out.

I mean, that's on us for not knowing Gary Brightwell.

Shout out to Gary Brightwell.

Seems like a good dude.

Gary Brightwell.

He was on the Bengals last year.

He got cut, and now he's on the practice squad for the Bengals.

But we got it.

We got it.

We got that right.

He's going to be an impact call-up.

We got that.

They're going to bring him up after like three weeks.

Yeah, we got that one right big time.

And DeAndre Hopkins Ravens.

Remember that.

Okay.

Let's do.

Oh, my cool throne.

My cool throne.

I don't have a cool throne.

Where's Odell Beckham?

Odell Beckham's on the street, I believe.

He's just chilling?

Yeah.

I think he's just chilling.

Somebody needs to sign Odell Beckham.

Someone definitely needs to sign Odelle.

And Davion Clowny.

Yeah.

Didn't you say you're going to do Trump?

Oh, yeah.

Trump, because I think he's alive.

Choose your own adventure.

Choose your own adventure.

Is Donald Trump dead or alive?

Still alive person of the year is Donald Trump.

We're going to do it.

It's a very special award that we hardly ever do, a mid-season takeies award.

I don't understand what's going on because it's like,

one,

like, what actually is going on?

I would like to know what actually is happening.

Two,

from the people who brought you Joe Biden is totally fine are now like, we haven't seen Trump in like 24 hours, so he must be dead.

We've all lost our brain.

Well, it's also like a week without him doing a press conference.

Okay.

And he loves doing press conferences.

Okay, so that's what it's.

Because I couldn't figure it out.

They're also posting pictures as if they're in real time, but like coders are going back and figuring out that they're...

So is he dead?

Well, so they posted a picture of him golfing with Gruden on Sunday.

I saw that.

But we know that he golfed with Gruden a week ago.

So is he alive?

He's alive.

Actually, worst case scenario for all of us, Trump dies, and then the start of the NFL season gets pushed back.

Oh, I don't think they would.

Didn't they do that with JFK?

They might have football's a different time now.

That was the middle of the season, too.

I don't think

they wouldn't take away week one.

That was November.

Yeah.

Jim Ursai was like, top is down.

Yeah.

Okay, so he's, we don't know.

All right.

Fun, fun, fun online, I guess.

I don't fucking know.

I just, I just was laughing because it literally is the people who are like, Joe Biden is totally fine.

And then Trump, who could be dead, I have no idea, doesn't play golf for a couple couple days like dude's dead I he's not dead I don't think he's dead but there's but he could be there's speculation that he like some sort of event bad thing happened I think there was rumors that there was like like a secret ambulance going to the white house I saw his hands yeah they're look discolored it's it's a bunch of you know I'm hearing this I'm hearing how about we do this thing like where we just stop electing uh

politicians that are like 90 years old.

Yeah.

That would be a good idea.

We don't have to do this whole like, hey, is he, is he not?

What's going on with him?

Yeah.

Except Pelosi, those cannons can stay.

They ain't going nowhere.

They're timeless.

Those things are

timeless.

I think I would TF those.

Oh, yes, you would.

Yes, you would.

Yes, you would.

All right, Zach, finish off.

Hot seat, cool throne.

My hot seat this week is going to be Ronnie 2K and Mike Wang.

Ronnie 2K being the face of NBA 2K.

The way he says these things, I thought for a second you said you were running a 2K,

like a race.

Oh, like a distance race.

You said it so fast.

I was like, what's going on?

All right, Ronnie 2K and Mike Wang.

I got to slow it down.

I'm going to start working on enunciation.

We're going to slow down the cadence here.

That's on me.

I've been working on it.

It's not working out well so far.

Oh, I got you.

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Mike Wang, developer for 2K Sports.

NBA 2K is out for, if you pre-ordered, game hasn't even come out for regular orders until September 5th.

Great game, good shooting.

Defense could be buffed a little bit, but there's already, you guys are familiar with the Chronosim?

Yep.

Chrono ChronoZim.

Scripts are already out for 2K

26.

So when you shoot a shot, you hit a green, like

good, perfect release.

Uh-huh.

So the ChronoZim is a piece of hardware you plug into your controller, and they already got scripts to just hack on, rage hack on the game.

So it's like Game Genie?

Possibly.

You're not familiar with Game Genie?

I'm not familiar with Game Genie.

Game Genie was the best piece.

Oh, the best.

You would just plug your Nintendo game into the Game Genie, and then you put the Game Genie into

the console, and then you would just hack the entire game.

Yeah, you could just, you should go, you could go to the last level with Game Genie.

We're Game Genie, and it's online play, and it's just people just rage hacking.

Hank, you follow that?

I know.

Hank said yes so quickly, right?

I got the Cronus.

That's a Call of Duty thing.

Already got the two case scripts.

Yeah.

All right, your cool throne?

My coolthorne is to say I had the Cronus because I was so good.

That's a great compliment, Hank.

Were they saying Crohn's?

Okay, cool throne.

My cool throne is Kaiser Nat.

He launched a Mafia Thon 3, and that's always a fun time of year because he's on for 24 hours a day, 30 days in a row.

Is he buying bots?

There's bot allegations.

There's some charts that suggest maybe botting, some that say no, but his concurrence are still up in like the hundreds of thousands post-bot allegations.

So, yeah, he's massive anyway, but it's always so funny because if you are...

I feel like if you buy bots for these live streams, you're just waiting for the day where they get rid of the bots and you're just fucked.

Does anybody ever get away with it for life?

Bots?

Yeah.

I think there's definitely tons of guys still botting currently that aren't getting called out.

No, I think the bots, they always, they always find the bots.

It feels like, just anecdotally speaking.

Also, a lot of times like third-party, like just fans will bot accounts.

So like you're not even the one botting yourself, but you still get bot allegations because anyone can just go throw 23,000 concurrent at your.

They're false botting people.

Yeah.

Got it.

Okay.

All right.

Good hot seat, cool throne.

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Okay,

Mount Rushmore duel time.

Here's what we decided on Tuesday's show.

And here's how we're going to set it up.

It is going to be PFT, Team PFT and Hank versus Team Max and Memes

in a three-rushmore duel.

Now, both teams have not been given the topics beforehand.

We did not collude.

Only Zach and Big Cat know the topics.

Only Zach and I know the topics.

We are going to say the topic.

You guys get 30 seconds to

write something down, no googling,

and then we will fire off.

Also, are we going to say that because it's 1v1 to start, like it's going to be Max versus PFT and then Hank versus Memes, you guys can't talk with each other?

Or are you saying that you can't?

No, no, no, no, no.

We can't talk with each other.

This is me versus Meme Two.

Except for, I think PFT goes to the couch for the 2v2.

Okay.

Because that way it's even playing field.

We're both sitting next to each other.

That's fair.

Okay.

That's fair.

Megaduel.

Mega duel.

So here's how we're going to do the voting.

We're going to release all three polls on Wednesday morning at 7 a.m.

so that we can get the most

like

the best voting in terms of people who don't know who picked what.

They're just voting blindly.

So we'll have this decided by 9 a.m.

Unfortunately, if you're listening to this later in the day, you won't get to vote, but at least you'll get to hear how it goes down.

And then on Friday, we'll find out

who, if you guys are going up against each other, right?

Did you just decide that for one punishment?

Or you guys can just take the punishment as a team, too.

All right.

You guys ready?

Yep.

Anything else that needs to be discussed?

Oh, and also what we decided on Tuesday's show: if Max and Memes lose, Zach and I are going to do the punishment with them.

That is our punishment for colluding on Friday.

I think, yeah, so we have to sweep.

Have to sweep.

Team PFT and Hank have to sweep to avoid the punishment.

No room for error.

Should we talk about the punishment real quick?

Yes.

Okay, so the punishment is going to be the losers of Mount Rushmore season.

The week after Thanksgiving, we'll do an entire week on the show

with a very dark spray tan, frosted tips, puka shell necklace, pop collars, entire week.

Possibly cargo shorts.

Yes, cargo shorts.

You have to wear that in the office for the whole week.

The entire week.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You cannot, yeah, it has to be.

Not just the show.

No, no, no, but it's going to debut on the show.

You're going to look absolutely ridiculous.

We're waiting until after Thanksgiving because we want it.

Everyone's a little tan right now.

We want to make sure that it really sticks out how ridiculous.

And we're saying, like, a couple layers of basically the Jersey Short.

When you close your eyes and think of the memes that would go around like the Jaegermeister guy or whatever.

Jaeger Bombs.

The Jaeger bombs from like 2010.

That guy.

I'm thinking radioactive Jeff D.

Lowe vibes.

Yeah.

Like

orange.

Very orange.

People are like, holy fuck, what is going on with you?

What is wrong with you?

All right.

Who's up first?

Mount Rushmore Duel.

Anybody, anywhere, anytime.

So, Max.

It's you and me, PFD.

We're up first.

Okay.

Would you like to announce the topic?

I'm so bad at thinking on my feet.

Are you?

Yeah.

Yeah, you're more of a sitting guy.

Do you have the finalized list?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

I actually, I'm going to switch, I'm going to switch who we're going to do it with because I think it's funnier this way.

Collusion.

No, it's not collusion.

It's actually the opposite of collusion because if you want to say we told you one way, we switched it at the last minute.

That's like, what is it?

What's the

people who keep the like Oscars and Emmys, Price Waterhouse?

Oh, the

big five accounting?

Yeah.

Young.

Yeah.

So there's no way of you guys to have known because if anyone had leaked it, we switched it last second so that you guys would not be able to

collude.

All right, here we go.

I'll say the first one, Zach, you say the second one.

All right, memes, yes, sir.

Memes, keep your mic on.

Keep your mic on, memes.

That's a good call.

All right, Max.

Yeah, well, I'll keep our mics on.

Max and PFT, you are going to do the Mount Rushmore of people you'd switch lives with.

Ooh,

it's a good topic, right?

Good topic.

Good topic.

Who's going to go first?

I think Max.

Max, you guys decide.

Max and memes, do you guys want to go first the first time and first the third time?

Or

do you want the snake first and third?

What do you think, Max?

I'll let Max go second for this one.

Okay, so he'll go second.

He'll go go second in this one, and then you guys will go second in the last one.

Yes.

Okay.

All right.

I'm going to give you guys another 45 seconds.

Let's talk amongst ourselves.

Memes, Zach.

Max took his headphones off to think.

I'll give you a minute.

Max.

Or sorry, memes, Hank, Zach.

What do you guys want to talk about?

You can feel the intense thought in his boots right now.

Max has his hands over his ears like a baby.

He looks like a four-year-old with a fire truck going by.

For those at home, he doesn't have much written down.

He's a little late on this.

PFT is going to go first.

I have the timer set.

You have 30 seconds.

You have 30 seconds.

Feeling like you should be able to hear that.

You have 30 seconds.

Definitely going to be.

It's going to be like a chef, like a food network chef,

someone on the Philadelphia Eagles.

Yep.

Yep.

This is a tough one,

but it's fun.

It's fun.

This is a fun one.

There's There's so many lines you could swap with.

Yeah.

Names you can't spoil this, but his first pick is 100% going to be Guy Fiery.

PFT has about four solid names written down.

Max is struggling.

And time.

Time.

He has time.

Tell him.

He's got three names.

Stop talking.

Time.

Tell him time.

Time.

Time.

Time.

Time.

You had 30 seconds.

Oh, time.

I have three names written down.

I panicked.

Okay.

The duels aren't for everyone.

I mean, I'm panicking too because we have to do

with you.

We need Max to perform here.

Yeah, Max.

You got to step up, buddy.

All right.

PFT, you have the first pick in Mount Rushmore of people you would like to trade lives with.

This is a tough one.

This is a tough 1-1.

Okay.

You're in a better spot than me, I promise you.

I'm happy we did this one and not the other one because the other one would have broken Max's.

Okay, the other one has at least a fair all right.

Number one,

I'm gonna go with Leonardo DiCaprio.

Okay, okay, dating 25-year-olds.

I like boats.

Yep.

Okay.

Okay.

Thank you.

Okay.

I

am going to go with my number one pick, Timothy Chalamay.

Okay.

Okay.

Good pick.

Good pick.

My number two.

My number two

will be.

Your life is so sweet that you can't even think of anyone.

Cristiano Ronaldo.

Oh, okay.

I didn't even have that one on my board.

Didn't have that on my board.

Okay.

Last second.

I don't know.

That was a bad, whatever.

That was a panic pick.

All right.

Panicked.

Yep.

Okay.

Why did I say that?

Oh, I'm going to go with Josh Allen.

I had

a good pick.

Should have taken him.

Why'd you take Cristiano Ronaldo?

I don't know.

He was.

Now I'm really.

So you could look at yourself in the mirror and be like, damn, I'm in.

I don't know.

He's like the most famous guy ever.

Girls are obsessed with him.

He's

next pick.

Saudi money.

Yeah.

Dave Portroy.

Oh, interesting.

Josh Allen's sick.

A lot of cash.

Just gamble all the time.

Interesting.

Make your own hours.

Interesting.

You've got great dogs.

He's got a lot of work coming up this football season.

But that you don't really have to do.

He does.

If you don't feel like it.

Well, then

I have to do it.

Yeah, exactly.

Fuck.

You got this, man.

Okay, Matt.

Okay.

I'm going to go back to my original name that I had.

Wait, I had two picks?

You have two picks.

Okay.

First pick, Scotty Scheffler.

Okay, good pick.

It would be awesome to just be.

Awesome at golf.

Like,

just so much better than everyone else at golf.

Yep.

Wouldn't have the same head of hair.

Yep.

This next pick is going to be a bad pick.

I know it's going to be a bad pick.

Don't make it that.

But I can't think.

Make a good pick instead.

But it's not that bad of a pick.

No, it's probably a pretty bad pick.

Oh, man.

He is crumbling.

I'm going to go with.

Crumbling.

Okay.

my last pick.

Would you like to go?

Do you have a pick instead?

I'm ready to go, Max.

You're giving up your last pick?

Come on.

Come on, Max.

It's like the Minnesota Vikings.

Come on, Max.

You got four people relying on you.

Come on, Max.

This is bad, Max.

I want to collude so bad right now, but I'm not going to.

I am going to go with my last pick.

I just can't.

Jesus.

Come on, man.

Come on, man.

Come on.

Come on, Max.

You got to say.

You got to go.

Fuck it.

This is the only thing I got.

Shohei.

I don't know why.

Okay.

No, that's

a bad pick.

Shohei was my pick.

That's not a bad pick.

Okay, my last pick.

I'm going to go with MySpace Tom.

The guy that founded MySpace has hundreds of millions of dollars.

Oh, no, Hank.

I don't like it.

I don't give a fuck if Hank, that's a great pick.

Dude has

hundreds of millions of dollars.

He just fucked off.

And now he lives on an island.

This poll just got interesting.

You both kind of blew.

No, you guys are wrong.

MySpace Tom is a great pick.

Also, by the way,

that whole time I was trying to

buy time, I was trying to think of a single musician.

Couldn't think of one.

Couldn't think of a single musician.

All right.

Let's save honorable mentions.

I'm going to give Zach, let's give these guys their next Mount Rushmore topic because they're going to need a little time.

This is what you guys would have been given, but we decided to flip it at at the last second because we thought the minds of Hank and memes will be very funny doing this one.

Oh, boy.

Yeah.

Zach, would you like to debut it, and then we'll discuss

the honorable mentions.

Memes and Hank, you'll be competing in the Mount Rushmore of Inventions.

Oh,

there's no way.

We thought that would have been a little tilted in PFT's favor.

Amount Rushmore of what?

Inventions.

Oh, wow.

You versus Max would have been not fair, but this is very fair.

I crushed Max in that one.

All right, so

you couldn't even think of a thing.

Honorable mentions.

You should name one human.

Let's talk about honorable mentions.

I thought about Shohei.

I said, no, that's a bad pick.

No one thought maybe Bezos?

I thought about Bezos, but everyone hates Bezos.

I know, but it's better for

me to do that, but everyone hates him.

What about

Steph Curry?

Steph Curry.

So sick.

Steph Curry would be so sick.

Steph Curry's gonna be.

The only basketball player I could think of was LeBron.

Yeah, Steph Curry, universally love.

And then I went Wemby, and I was like, that would suck being that tall.

This is all what was going through my head.

Steph Curry, normal-sized guy, yeah.

Yeah, Steph Curry would be awesome.

Who else?

Who else would we?

Guy Fieri, we thought you were going to take Guy Fieri.

Guy Fieri is a good one.

Guy Fieri would have been a great one.

I still can't think of a musician.

Yeah, I mean, the musicians are like old.

Ocean Malone's pretty chill.

Yeah.

John Summit?

Trey?

John Summit would have been a good answer.

50 Cent?

50 Cent.

Trey would have been.

No, I like my list.

I like my list.

No, you don't.

Jalen Hurts?

You like my list.

John Mayer?

John Mayer would be cool.

John Mayer would be really cool.

John Mayer would have to be cool.

Do your own music.

Do dead music.

John Mayer.

No, but

Swifties fucking hate you.

Who cares?

They hate us anyway.

It's true.

I almost said I went back to the well of the Kentucky Derby winning horse because

then you just get to retire and just fuck all day, but then that opens me up to you would fuck horses.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And that would be a problem.

Yeah.

Has anyone been keeping track of this time?

They're going to need a little bit of time for preventions.

Who else?

Putin?

Probably has a pretty good life.

Why didn't you do Jaden Daniels?

Well, Putin, he hasn't really gotten paid yet.

Yeah, but he's going to get paid yet.

I mean,

also, the no-girls thing.

That's a panic.

Yeah.

That's a panic.

Jason Kelsey also being Joe Burrow.

Joe Burrow being Joe.

Joe Burrow would have been a sick one.

That would have been a sick one because Josh Allen is married yeah Joe Burrow still single that's true yeah

I'm trying to think who else

oh

I would have maybe thrown out like a you say bolt or something just be the fastest man on

ever that'd be sick would be fucking awesome what about what about Travis Kelsey

Travis Kelsey yeah although

what

yeah it'd be sick yeah

What do you mean?

What do you mean?

What's that pause about?

I just said, but.

Kind of waited for a while there.

Sounded like something on your mind.

It would be so sick.

Cat cut your tongue.

What's up?

Yeah.

It'd be so, so sick.

I'm trying to think who else.

I can't believe I just couldn't think of it.

Who's like the richest?

Who's

it would be kind of sick to be like Steven Jones?

Jerry Jones' son?

Yeah, and I don't think so.

I'd like to get like another, you know, or like pick like an owner.

Like an owner's son that gets gets to like you know you're gonna get to own the team forever tony khan

tony khan would be sick tony khan would be great tony comm would be sick

he gets to do wrestling and he's going to get to do the jaguars yep yeah

yeah there's some owner's sons out there tom brady

tom brady we're getting a lot of time yeah all right you guys good i'm good all right all right here we go you have the first pick memes this is the mount rush more of inventions leaving mics we're leaving mics on yep

come on hank hey Hank.

You got the ball, Hank.

I'm not even going to look at you, memes.

I was panicking so much.

I had Shohei written down.

I crossed it out and I wrote it again.

We should put in the pictures of our notes.

Okay.

Whispering.

Who's up?

Memes.

I'm up.

I don't know what to pick one.

One.

It's tough.

The first pick.

Would electricity be an invention?

Yeah.

That's a discovery.

Is that a discovery or an invention?

It's a discovery.

Not an invention.

No, not an invention.

But you can go off of electricity.

Oh, sorry.

We'll go light bulb.

Okay.

That's an invention.

Yeah, good pick.

Yeah.

Light bulb is an invention.

We are going to go with.

I am going to go with the iPhone

and the wheel.

All right.

Oh, goodness.

Nice start, Hank.

I thought the wheel was going to be what you got great value on the wheel.

Great value.

Memes is a little befuddled.

He felt good about electricity.

He was the one.

Light bulb is still a good pick.

Yeah, but he also was the one who was like, hey, are we going to pick?

You were ready to go.

I have so many.

Okay.

Football.

Okay.

That's picked up.

Really, really

good.

Really good pick, Memes.

Oh, memes, way to come back.

Hank knows that.

That was

just a little bit more.

Well, hey,

we can can just do a best sports.

We might as well just do best sports.

Well, I mean, that's a really good pick.

You could have taken football.

The ball or the sport?

You had two chances to take football.

And then follow-up pick, ice cream.

Oh,

also a good pick.

We will go with

the internet.

Okay.

Okay?

Strong, Hank.

Strong.

Got to close this out, Hank.

And we will go.

I mean, do you want me to go?

I guess you can't, you can't collude.

Can't coach.

Can't coach.

I'm deciding internally if I should just go with actual historical greatest inventions that, you know, progress the nation or just like something, you know, cheeky like memes is doing.

Oh, well, just do whatever you want to do.

Go cheeky.

He's one.

Right now, I have wheels,

iPhone.

So many fat jokes.

No, there's a butt.

There's a butt joke.

It's button about fat, but it's fat, butt.

Your butt's out.

My butt, but that's because I'm fat.

Go with the Xbox.

Ooh.

Okay.

What are PlayStation people going to say to that?

You could have said video games.

But that's not like, it's not.

I don't know.

Integrity.

He's.

Thank you.

Okay.

Can't play Xbox without a television.

Oh.

Thought you were going to go TV with last year.

That's a tight one.

That's a tight one.

You think I should have done cotton gin?

No,

no,

I think you did better with that.

I don't know what a cotton gin does.

No, it does somewhat cotton.

Makes liquor out of cotton.

Does it?

No, I have no idea.

All right,

what would you guys have left off the board?

Car?

Toilet, guitar, car, credit card chip, bidet, cotton gin,

casinos.

Yeah, car shoes, chilies, music, Benny Hana.

Double deck taco.

Music?

Benny Hanna.

Double-decker taco.

A gun.

I just wrote heat on here.

A toilet.

The metric system.

High-speed trains.

Thought of so many things.

I could only think of

people.

AC?

No, that's it.

Dude, air conditioning is.

That would be on my list.

Would alcohol?

Alcohol would have played, right?

Alcohol.

What about fire?

That's, I guess, kind of discovery, too.

Discovery, yeah.

Planes.

Cocaine.

Yeah.

That's a good one.

Yeah.

All right.

That was a good Mount Rush war.

Good.

I feel good about that.

All right.

The last one.

So we'll give you the last one.

I think maybe for the podcast listeners, maybe we edit out the time that you guys are going to be able to think because we won't.

Zach and I won't talk during this because we want you guys to be able to really.

We got to go everyone headphones off, too.

Headphones off.

So we'll give you five full minutes and we'll edit this part out of you guys thinking, okay?

Can Zach sit in your seat?

Five full minutes?

Because

we need to get headphones over there.

Can you just

bring those headphones

to Hank's seat and then you use PFT's headphones?

Yeah, five full minutes because it's a little bit of a tricky one.

We were going to go letter, but then we realized the AWLs would be very upset about that.

Didn't want to have it be decided on a letter.

No googling.

If you wanted to play at home, the letter was going to be B.

I don't know if anyone wants.

Bitches.

Bitches.

Burgers.

Buttstars.

Basketballs.

Low jobs.

Okay, the finale for the duel is going to be the Mount Rushmore

of Laws You'd Make If You Could Be Lawmaker for a Day.

Okay.

And no Googling.

No Googling.

All right.

I'm going to start the timer right now, five minutes.

We'll cut the five minutes out for the podcast listeners, but I'm going to start the timer now.

Okay, we're back.

I have a question for the panel, for the judges.

Please.

Do you think this will matter?

I don't.

I think it probably went 1-1

if I had to guess.

I have a question.

Yeah.

Do these have to be logical?

No.

Okay, good.

Not at all.

So it's Mount Rushmore of laws you would make if you were a lawmaker for a day.

So the laws stay forever.

You just become a lawmaker for a day and you're like, I want this law, I want that law, I want this law.

I think there's no way to know until the polls come out.

If they come out, like,

but if we're doing them hour by hour, like if you did them all at once, that him shaking his head like that at you was very patronizing.

Well, I asked an opinionated question and he just, I, you know, he didn't give you an answer.

It was a yes or no.

And you said,

I'm telling you, I think they matter if the polls come out hour by hour.

If they all come out at once, I think you guys lost.

Okay.

Okay.

That makes sense.

That's actually a fair answer.

And what do we decide?

Are they all coming out at once?

Yes.

Yeah.

Okay.

So you guys go first.

Hank and PFT, you're up first.

Mount Rushmore of laws you'd make if you were a lawmaker for a day.

Day after the Super Bowl's holiday.

Good pick.

We had it.

1-1.

Good pick.

They had it.

Then we realized

there's a much better pick there.

Oh, much better pick.

Four-day work week.

Oh.

All right.

All right, communists.

Four-day work week.

I said that.

PFT said no.

Well, I thought that there's going to be a lot of people out there being like you entitled millennials and Gen Zers that you don't want to work anymore.

You don't know the value of a hard day's work.

Four days.

You want everything handed to you.

Four days.

What are we doing?

People just go to work and mail it in.

Max is a why not just go and be efficient for the future.

I like that they're fighting with each other.

Max, there's a place like that.

It's called Europe.

Important question, though, Max.

Would it be Monday or Friday?

I would say

Friday.

Wrong answer.

Wrong answer.

Monday is by far because you have a regular weekend, and then Monday you use as your get-back day.

Yeah, no, I would say.

And then you have a longer weekend.

No,

it's maximizing the same amount of days.

No, but no, because you treat it differently.

Friday already is a weekend day.

Friday's already the best day on the calendar.

Monday you erase

awesome.

No, but Thursday already is kind of awesome.

But then Wednesday becomes awesome.

No, Wednesday is fine.

You just have Wednesday.

Whatever.

You get Monday off, then you get to party all day on Sunday.

Right.

And then also your Monday is your recoup day.

Do laundry, go to the gym, all that stuff.

Friday, you would never do any of that.

Yeah, Monday would be like a

day light.

Why not just one-day work week if we're going to logical?

Well, you know, people got to work.

Yeah, people got to work.

Come on.

Not in Max's world.

All right.

This is another thing that doesn't really make sense in a real world, but

this is the one where I ask the question, does it have to be logical?

Okay, then, yeah, just no work.

Okay.

No, no, this one we have no work, and we all have to do it.

Not no work, but no taxes.

No taxes.

Okay.

Good pick.

I think these guys might have had it as well.

Good pick we did have that one.

I think Hank, that was the first thing Hank said.

Mm-hmm.

He said, no taxes, no work.

Okay, we're

going still get paid.

We're going to go with

you microwave seafood at work, you go to jail.

Oh, I like that one.

Good.

Jail.

Good pick.

Immediately, you get escorted out in handcuffs.

Zach?

I think it's a good pick.

You ever do that

at the dealership?

No, you got to know.

There's just going to be an aroma that you should put other people through with that.

Your eyes are so blue and striking from this distance.

I appreciate that, Big Cat.

Okay.

Sorry if that was weird.

We were talking about jail, and so Big Cat started going back to the jail thing.

Back to top bottom bump.

All right.

Next pick, ours.

Yeah.

Release all the Epstein files.

Ooh.

All of them.

That's a good pick.

I didn't think of it, but that's a really good pick.

But for real, this is a good idea.

That's a really good pick.

Yeah.

For real, this is your pedophile, prison.

that's a really good pick

possibly executed it's a really good pick

our next pick we're gonna go with universal health care oh yeah you guys are taking europe

nice

like that pick uh to top off europe uh we're gonna go legalize prostitution oh

i i like your world that's a good world i mean that's the horniest thing anyone's ever said on the show that's a good world memes

will you are you gonna to say anything to the horniest accusations?

No,

legalizing prostitution is actually better.

It's better for the women.

A lot of women get tracked out.

Also, legalize it.

Let the women get paid.

And would you partake in the legalized prostitution?

I might become one.

Good answer.

Crazy answer.

The last pick.

All right, where are we going here?

I love the face Hank has because it means that PFT might go rogue.

I might go rogue.

And I love that.

I'm going to go rogue.

Commercials have to be the same volume as the TV shows that they're on.

Okay.

All right.

Good pick.

Good pick.

Good pick.

I don't like the fluctuations.

What else did you guys have?

We had

banning all the things that convenience store is asking for a tip.

Oh, that's good.

We had a refund on all subscriptions that you haven't used in a year.

Like that.

I would have picked all games have to go over.

Yeah, that's got to go over.

Memes that's not exactly similar, but sports-related.

You can say that.

Sports owners need to sell their team if the team doesn't make the playoffs for five years.

Yeah, that's my rule.

Yeah, I like that.

I had

just arrest Max.

Yep.

Yep.

I would just arrest Max.

Yeah.

Fix all roads.

Oh, good one.

That's good.

Fix all roads is a great one.

But no traffic.

No traffic.

You just fix them without having to spend the time to get them fixed.

Just like having everyone does a week off and we just fix all the roads.

That's a great idea.

Why do we do that during COVID?

If we just did one week and no more traffic.

Yeah.

Everyone stay inside for one week, no more traffic.

Drugs are all legal if you can prove that you can handle them.

I said that, and meme said that was a bad idea.

If you can hang?

If you can hang, yeah, you do like a supervised

hang sesh with a monitor.

And they're like, okay, this guy's cool.

Okay.

High-speed trains.

That was on my last one, too.

I just like looking at the maps.

Yeah,

you guys drafted Europe in Mount Rushmore, which is that's something I would expect out of Hank, to be honest.

Hank, you were fighting against PFT for my picks.

Well, Hank loves Europe.

We know that.

Well, no, that's just specifically the work one.

Taxes?

Yeah, but there's places in America with no taxes.

Or whatever.

No state income tax.

All right.

All right.

I think we might have gone two for three.

Yeah, we'll see.

I think we'll vote.

I feel good.

It's good.

It feels fun.

I feel good.

All right.

Good, good Mount Rushmore duel, boys.

I feel like everyone put their best foot forward.

Strong duel.

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Okay, we now welcome on one of our favorite guests.

It's become a tradition.

He's a very special guest.

It's Pete Prisco, senior NFL columnist for CBS Sports.com and analyst for CBS Sports HQ.

Pete, it's the best week of the year.

Football is back.

We're ready to roll.

We want to a comprehensive NFL preview with you.

Let's maybe do it a little bit in order.

Do you want to go division by division?

Because it might be, and then we can pop up with questions here and there.

Yeah, sure.

All right.

Let's do it that way.

Let's not revisit all my stupid picks from a year ago either.

What was the stupidest pick?

I'd forgotten what your stupid picks were last year.

By the way, I almost just said, what was the stupidest pick?

What was the dumbest pick you had?

Will Levis would be really good.

Oh.

And then the year before you had Jaguars in the Super Bowl.

The schedule, though.

You remember the schedule?

Yeah.

Yeah, the schedule.

The schedule.

We didn't know Doug Beterson would be a disaster, did we?

Okay.

All right.

So, yeah, this doesn't really bode well for our big NFL preview when we start with that.

All right, let's start with

the AFC East first.

Bills,

easy winner for the Bills.

Tell us your thoughts about the AFC East.

Maybe surprise team.

I have a take, and you can tell me if I'm wrong.

I think the Dolphins have a chance to be disastrous.

I tend to agree with you.

I don't like that team at all.

I think they're going to have big changes after the season.

I would agree with you 100% on the Dolphins.

I think the Bills run away with it.

And if you look at the Bills schedule, the Bills schedule is as favorable as any first-place team has ever had.

They play all the tough teams at home.

They don't go any further west than Houston when they play the Texans.

And they have the look to me of a 13-win team.

I really believe that.

Maybe 14.

I think they run away with the division.

They're class of it.

Look at their schedule to open the season before they play the Chiefs.

If they beat the Ravens, now the Ravens is a tough game at home, but you're supposed to win that game on a Sunday night.

And then look at the next games before they play the Chiefs.

They should be winning every one of those games.

Yeah, they have the Jets, Dolphins, Saints, Patriots, Falcons, Panthers.

Yeah, you're, I mean, schedule.

You're right.

That's a nice schedule to start the season.

It sounds like you're saying that you're not a believer just yet in Drake May.

No, I'm a believer in Drake May.

I'm just not a believer in that team this year.

I think they're a year away.

I think getting Vrabo in there, they'll instill the toughness.

They have six new guys starting on defense.

I mean, that they picked up in free agency.

That's hard to mesh that group together.

But I think next year, they're going to be really good.

So I think they're a year away.

Okay.

What about the South, the AFC South?

Are you thinking the Jaguars?

I mean, it's kind of

a make-a-break year.

Memes just is like, what the fuck?

Because we didn't say anything about the Jets.

Oh, yeah.

We'll come back to the Jets.

We'll circle back on the Jets.

We'll put them in a holding pattern right now.

Yeah.

What about the South, Pete?

The Jaguars.

Well, I think the division's bad.

I'll start there.

I don't think it's a very good division.

I think the Texans' schedule is brutal.

I don't think they've improved their offensive line, but I'm still picking them.

I think their defense is going to be nasty, but it's going to be close.

I think Jacksonville is going to be right there with them.

You know, the winner will win nine games.

They're not going to run away with it.

None of those teams in that division are very good.

And so I think the Texans are the best team because of their defense, but I worry about their offensive line.

I mean, you got a rookie starting at left tackle and ursary the right tackle they got is okay the two guards tomlinson and ed ingram was the worst lineman on on minnesota last year i just don't like their offensive line and i think that's going to be a problem for them i think they win a division barely over jackson what's a successful season for the titans in cam ward because i i'm i'm excited about cam ward and i think the titans could maybe be a little bit friskier than than people expect and be in some of these games and maybe have a say in the afc South whether they win it or not.

But, you know, a team that kind of can beat a Texans late, can be the Jaguars late and upset the whole division.

Yeah, I don't think they have enough talent on that team.

I think he's going to be okay.

And he didn't look great in the preseason, I'll be honest with you, but I think he's going to be good.

He's smart.

He's accurate.

He can throw the football.

He's got that, you know, first one in, last one out.

So I do think he'll be good.

I just don't know where the talent is on that team.

They think they've upgraded the offensive line by getting Dan Moore.

He wasn't that good last year.

I think the offensive line might be better, but not how much better?

Aside from Ridley, where's he throwing the football to?

And defensively, they just don't have a lot of playmakers outside of Simmons.

So I don't know how much better they'll be.

I think they're another team you got to look to in the future.

The question is, does Brian Callahan get to be part of that future?

And what about the Colts?

Because some are saying that if Daniel Jones can be Andy Dalton, then the Colts should make the playoffs this year.

Do you think Daniel Jones can be Andy Dalton?

No, I don't think think he's going to be that good.

Again, I get the idea that don't mess it up, turn and hand the ball off to Taylor.

Pretty good offensive line.

Playmakers off the play action.

You got the tight end, the rookie tight end.

Warren's going to catch a ton of passes.

So I get that whole idea, but I don't know if Daniel Jones is capable of putting it on his right arm when he has to.

Andy Dalton could at times.

I mean, Andy Dalton threw the ball around pretty well at times.

I don't know if Daniel Jones can do that.

So I don't think they're a playoff team.

The fact that it was a competition with anthony richardson speaks a lot of things about daniel jones but it also speaks a lot of things about anthony richardson and where the colts are they could have changes after the season

so in your advanced analytics and really you watch the tape more than anything you're a tape watcher uh

what type of bump do you give the colts just not having gus bradley in the building anymore

Well, they'll be less predictable, but you know, it's funny, they replaced it with Adarumo, who was predictable in Cincinnati, right?

Yeah.

I mean, at the end, yeah, but for a while, he was a pretty good coordinator.

But then they played all kinds of, all they did was play zone, and it became very predictable.

In fact, they had a lot of guys that were man-to-man corners that should have been playing more man.

They played zone.

So I do think they'll be better on defense.

They also have some corner issues.

I mean, they were going to start a rookie corner and he got hurt.

The kid from Minnesota and he went down.

And now they're going to start Jalen Jones at one corner.

So they're going to have some problems at corner as well.

I do think they'll be a little bit better on defense.

again it's daniel jones if the game's on the line in the third and fourth quarter can daniel jones go win the game with his right arm i don't know if he can danny dimes yeah

i just i i see the fact that he spent half a season in minnesota and i'm like he's fixed and he's going to come out he's going to be great that's that's my blind analytics going into the season I like that.

Well,

everybody goes to Minnesota gets fixed, right?

Sam Darnold got fixed.

And J.J.

McCarthy's going to suddenly be able to hit everything that he never could hit before.

It's all getting fixed in Minnesota.

It fixed everybody.

Yeah.

All right.

So what about the AFC West?

Tell me what you think about the Chiefs going to this year.

You think Xavier Worthy is like a true number one threat now at receiver for the Chiefs?

I don't know if he's a true number one.

There's only so many true number ones, but I think he's going to be their number one.

Give us the true number ones.

Jefferson, Chase.

Tyreek Hill, when he's playing and focused.

Brian Thomas will be a true number one.

There aren't many of them.

That's, you know,

we're getting to the limit right there.

We're getting close to it.

All right.

So, so, yeah, what do you think about what should we expect out of Xavier Worthy in that offense this year?

Here's what you can expect out of the offense.

I think Mahomes is going to get back to looking like Mahomes again.

I think they're going to get the ball down the field.

You mentioned Worthy, he got the speed Hollywood Brown can run.

When Rice gets back, he can go.

And the biggest difference will be the offensive line.

Josh Simmons was the best offensive lineman in the draft.

It wasn't close.

He had the the knee issue.

He had some off-the-field stuff guys were concerned about.

Not problems, but just was he as focused as he should be.

He steps in there now.

He's going to be one of the best left tackles.

Now the line, you move the, you know, the suma tia to left guard.

They're bigger and stronger.

They already had two really good ones in Humphrey and Trey Smith.

And Jawan Taylor played Hurtall last year.

So it's going to be time for Mahomes to throw the ball down the field.

For the first time in a long time, he's going to look like Mahomes.

The ball will go down the field.

He's going to put up better numbers.

They're going to to be right smack dab in the middle of it all again.

So are you picking the Chiefs to win that division?

Yes.

All right.

So who's fighting for second?

Who do you see finishing second place in the AFC West?

Denver.

I think Denver's defense is unreal.

I think they're good across the board.

You add Greenlaw to the defense.

He's going to help them a great deal.

You know, their corners will be better.

They drafted Barron in the first round.

I think defensively, they're going to be among the best in the league.

The question is, offensively, how do they, do they run the ball?

I know people rave about their offensive line.

It's good.

It's not as good.

I don't think it's as good as people give it credit for, but can they run the ball and who runs the ball?

And I think, you know, when you look at it from that standpoint, is it Dobbins?

Everybody wants to get Harvey on the field, but he doesn't pick up the Blitzes.

And so Peyton's not going to play if you don't pick up the Blitzes.

So I want to know if they can run the ball.

And then here's the other part of the equation.

Now there's a whole season of tape on Bo Nicks and how they used them last year.

Does he get better?

I think he does.

And talking to some of the coaches, talking to Sean Payton at times about him, he didn't barely get to his reads last year.

He was kind of learning on the fly, and he put up those numbers.

So I do think he's going to be better.

Am I crazy for thinking the Raiders are going to be in that frisky category just because Gino and Pete Carroll is going to give a little consistency to that organization?

I know they probably...

have a lot of talent gaps, but am I crazy for thinking they're going to be one of those teams that's, you know, middle of the pack, not saying playoffs, but again, a team that could maybe beat some good teams down the stretch and have an impact on the playoff picture.

Yeah, they might win five games.

Okay, so that's a no.

That's a no.

No.

That's a nice way of saying no.

No, I did.

When I look at their defense, there's not a lot of talent on it.

They Crosby is a game wrecker by himself, but they need Koontz to step up and play.

And then you look at the cornerback position.

I mean, Stokes is going to be one of their starting corners.

He was, you know, Packers who have cornerback needs didn't want them.

I just think there's not a ton of talent on the defensive side of the ball that will show up.

I do think they'll be pretty good on offense.

You got two tight ends, and you know, Bowers is going to be a big-time player.

He's going to play a lot of mayor, and then you go to the, you go to the Genti's going to be a great runner.

The offensive line is pretty good, and Gino's capable of making plays down the field.

So, I think offensively, they'll be okay.

I worry about the defense.

So, overs.

So, bet a lot of Raiders overs this year.

Correct.

I like that.

I like that.

What about the Chargers?

I know that the Rashawn Slater injury was catastrophic.

How do you feel about the Chargers?

Because it did feel like last year, you know, you got the Harbaugh kind of bump where

he gets that team rolling in the right direction.

Do they take a step forward or is it because this is a big year for Justin Herbert?

I know he's gotten paid, but the noise is starting to get there.

And I want to see him, you know, win the playoff game and be the quarterback that everyone thinks he is.

True, this is a big year for him.

It's a big year for a lot of these courts.

It's a big year for Trevor Lawrence.

I think they both have some proving to do, both of them.

And so, yeah, I think Herbert has to prove things.

you know, when you talk about Slater, Alt will be okay over there, but he's not Slater.

And what that does, it weakens you at two spots because now Trey Pipkins has to go in and play right tackle.

So all of a sudden, your two strengths at the tackle positions have become weaker than they were.

And I'm not going to say Alt's not going to be good at that spot.

It'll be okay, pretty good, but he's not going to be Slater.

And so you're weakened at two spots.

And when you're built on the offensive line being the dominant part of that team, that could be concerning.

Defensively, they gave up a ton of yards on the ground last year.

That's something that has to stop as well.

You know, they went out and got guys, but I don't know if they're that much better.

So, yeah, they'll be in the mix with Denver, but I think they're the third team and might be a team on the outside looking in the postseason.

I forget, where have you stood historically on the Justin Herbert debate?

Are you a fan?

Yes.

I am.

I think he's got all kinds of talent and skill set, and there's been reasons they haven't wanted the playoffs.

I mean, he did score a boatload at Jacksonville, and the defense gave up a boatload in the second half.

That wasn't on him.

But do you watch the tape?

Yes.

Okay.

What about his body language?

Yeah, doesn't bother me.

What about him dating Madison Beer?

Do you give him a little bump in your numbers for that?

Is he following in the footsteps of the guy in Buffalo?

Madison Beer's very attractive.

Well, yeah, I mean, quarterbacks, yeah, yeah.

Josh Allen was the first quarterback to date a hot chick.

And so Justin Herbert saw that.

He's like, the blueprint's out there.

I'm going to get one of those.

I got to get one of those.

Yeah.

Well, he's smart if he's doing it.

Yeah.

Look, I think Justin Herbert's not the problem

with the Chargers.

He just isn't.

And anybody who thinks he is is misguided.

All right, let's talk AFC East, and then we can talk about the Jets afterwards.

AFC North, and then we can talk about the Jets afterwards.

No, we'll say for the Jets for the end.

Okay, Jets at the end.

Pete,

how do you feel about Aaron Rodgers right now?

Based on what you saw out of him last time he was on the Jets, there's our Jets talk, where do you think he is as a quarterback right now?

I'll tell you what, the last six games of the season, I thought he was back close to being Aaron Rodgers again.

I mean, I really go back and look at his last six games.

He played well.

And nobody wants to say, nobody, everybody says, oh, he wasn't the same guy.

Once he kind of got sort of healthy, he was the same guy with a bad, you know, offensive system and a bad, he had Garrett Wilson, but the team wasn't great.

And so I think it wasn't on him.

By the way, he threw more touchdown passes than Herbert and Mahomes last year, in case anybody's wondering.

So he did, and he tied Josh Allen for a number of of touchdown passes, too.

So I think he's capable.

I worry about that team, though.

What's the Pittsburgh identity?

It's always been to run the ball.

They didn't run the ball last year.

Can they run the ball this year?

They paid Jalen Warren.

Is he going to run the ball?

Is Johnson, the rookie, going to be running the ball?

Are they going to run the ball at all?

That's the problem.

If they don't run the ball, it's going to be a long season for Ferrer Rodgers.

Yeah,

is this the year where they don't go 500?

Were they dip below?

Well, they're not the worst team in the division.

The Browns are.

so they're probably a third team in the division.

So maybe they'll be, yeah, they might.

They could dip below.

Do you have any faith in the Bengals' defense going into the season?

And I actually will say,

I like that the Bengals started playing their ones on offense in the preseason because we've seen it time and time again.

They put themselves in a hole to start the year.

If they didn't do that last year, they're a playoff team.

They would have been dangerous.

But do you feel like that defense can play just like,

what, 20th?

If they're the 20th defense, that's a really good football team.

Is that fair to say?

Yeah, maybe a little better than that.

If they're 17th, 16th to defense, they're going to be really good.

And I think the change in coordinators will be good for them.

Al Golden's a good coach, and he's going to be much more aggressive.

That to me is the biggest difference.

They have corners on that team, Cam Taylor, Britt, Turner, Dax Hill.

They're man-to-man guys.

They look like they would excel man-to-man, and they will, but he didn't play them in man-to-man, and they looked lost in the zone last year.

So I think that will be a big improvement.

I think they need to be better against the run, which is key.

But yeah, I think they'll be better on defense.

I don't know if they get to 15, but they might get to 17, 18 if they do that.

We know that offense is going to score.

They're going to be a team to reckon with in that division.

Yeah.

And so what about the Browns?

We talked about the Browns quickly.

Shadur, Dylan Gabriel, who do you think is going to be the number two?

And then do you think Joe Flacco is going to get benched before or after week five?

I'm going to say after week five, and I'm going to say Dylan Gabriel will be the first guy in and should be the first guy in.

He outplayed Shador Sanders.

It wasn't close, and he was drafted ahead of him for a reason.

And nobody wants to hear that, but that's the reality of it.

He's a better player.

And Shador Sanders holds the ball.

He's one of those guys that,

you know, he's got to adjust to the NFL game.

Open in college is different than open in the NFL, and he hasn't realized that yet.

Dylan Gabriel is kind of a little ahead of him.

Now, on the film, did you see that the Browns' offensive linemen were told not to block is hard for Shador in the preseason?

Yeah, I don't know where anybody got that.

Guys are fighting for their lives, and everybody's making excuses for him.

Look, he was every bit as responsible for some of those sacks as they were.

And so the whole narrative that people are working against Shador for what reason?

What's the reason?

Somebody come up with a reason why they're working against him.

They hate Dion because they cheer for a rival school.

And so then they're upset because of the Colorado effect.

And their team didn't get as much shot, even though they were a better team last year.

And so now they hate Shador because of that, hypothetically.

Yeah, I don't believe any of that.

Once guys get to the NFL, fans don't give a rat's ass what school you went to.

They just don't.

I don't buy that.

So where'd you go to school again?

Right here, baby.

Sun Devils.

Okay.

Forks up.

Forks up.

What's the weakness on the Ravens?

I assume you have the Ravens winning the AFC North.

Correct.

I do.

And what's the weakness?

Well, I think it's, do they have an edge rusher you have to point to when he comes in the line of scrimmage?

And by that, I mean they manufacture pressure, but at some point you get to a certain situation in the playoffs.

And they faced this before, where you come up and you go, there he is.

He's going to wreck the game for me.

Van Noy, good player.

Does he wreck the game on his own?

No.

Do you know Mike Green, the rookie, if he's what some people think he can be, he might be that guy by the end of the season.

But that, to me, is their biggest weakness right now.

Okay.

Jets?

Do we want to wait till the end?

Yeah, we'll wait till the end.

We'll wait until the end.

Let's go to the end of the day.

But one

quick thing on the Ravens.

They also have to learn to win in the playoffs.

Yeah.

But Mark Jackson, I mean,

for all the accolades he gets, they have to learn how to win in the playoffs, too.

He hasn't been as good.

So what's your AFC championship game?

You have the Bills, and

who else?

Bills and Chiefs.

Bills and Chiefs.

And do the Bills finally get over the hump?

You betcha.

And where's the game?

In Buffalo.

The game's in Buffalo, which is

13, 14 wins.

They're going to have the championship game in Buffalo.

It's going to be nutty.

Yeah.

NFC East.

I'll let you take it away, PFT.

NFC East,

I feel like the Philadelphia Eagles are the front.

Well, they are the betting favorite right now, as well as they should be.

I'm actually a little bit interested to see what happens in New York.

I feel like with the kind of overhaul that they've done offensively, it might be a different different team this year it might be a team that might challenge for that wild card russ is pretty good

is he

weird that was bait for you that was bait for you

is he's not i mean he's he's one of the best moon ball throwers that we've ever seen so he's got that going for him i just think he's going to be looking over his shoulder the entire time he's playing for the giants because you know they want to play jackson dart at some point they're going to but but i will say this their pass rush is going to be nasty they're going to get after it because they're going to stay in games starting this week they're going to stay in that game against your commanders.

It's going to be a close game just because they can rush the passer.

They are that kind of team.

But

I don't think they're going to win a ton of games.

And at some point, Jackson Dart is playing for the Giants.

So excluding Cam Ward, what rookie quarterback are we going to see first?

Dart.

You think Dart's going to come in before Dylan Gabriel comes in in Cleveland?

Okay.

Yes, I do.

Tyler Schuck.

No, I think Rattler's going to play for more than you think.

I feel like that might be a week three.

Whoa.

You might get shucked down there.

That's not what you hear, though.

I'm telling you.

You hear stuff we don't hear.

What are you hearing?

It's going to be longer than you think.

He was a little in over his head there, and it's going to take him a while.

By the way, he's older than just Rattler, isn't he?

I think he's a year older.

That's a fun fact.

He's closer to my age.

All right, so what's going on in Philly?

Is there going to be a step back?

I don't know if it's going to be a step back, but repeating is nobody's repeated that division since 2004.

Right.

I mean, that's tough enough.

I do think they'll win the division, though, but I don't think they're repeating.

I just don't.

It's too hard to do.

And, you know, they had losses, you know, losing Bilton Williams and losing sweat, that hurts them on defense.

But you know what really hurts them?

Depth.

Because those guys that are now playing were depth guys.

And when you look at their depth, guys, they're not as good.

So I think ultimately that could be a problem for them.

All right.

And then Dallas.

How are things going to go in Dallas?

It feels like we're kind of teetering on a season from hell in Dallas just based on how chaotic it's been.

But then you look at their offense and you're like, they're actually like very good offensively on paper.

I agree with you.

I think they're going to score a lot of points.

I think Prescott, when he last played, led the league in touchdown passes when he was healthy two years ago.

He played the whole season.

And then you add Pickens to balance the field.

The offensive line with three Tylers and two other guys are going to be physical.

Even if they're young, they're going to be physical.

So I'm with you.

Everybody says, well, what about the running game?

When Jaden Blue's on the field, Jaden Blue will end up being a big-time explosive runner for them.

So I'm with you.

Offensively, they'll be good.

I worry about that defense, particularly with no Parsons.

Where do you get the pass rush?

That's what I'm saying.

Are you going to ask about the Commanders?

I'm going to ask about the Commanders.

Got to.

Pete,

Jaden Daniels, 2025, NFL MVP.

What do you think about it?

I think it's possible.

I don't think it's going to happen, but I definitely think it's possible.

That's all I know.

I love the kid.

I told you guys that last year how much I love that guy.

And I don't think we come close to seeing the best of him.

We certainly haven't seen the best of him as a passer, not close to it.

And because, you know, he still got out early last year, and some of that had to do with the offensive line.

I think they've solidified that group by getting Tunsell, putting Coleman at left tackle.

They're big, they're strong.

When they get Cosme back, they're going to be really good on the offensive line.

So he's going to have more time.

I think we've only scratched the surface of him as a passer, and the commanders will be happy with where where he's going after this season.

So, so basically, if you're a listener to this show, your Jaden Daniels analysis is Max saying that he smiles too much, and then me just sucking his dick and being like, He's the best quarterback I've ever seen.

So, maybe you can tell, like, as somebody that watched all the film,

what does he need to do better?

Go through his reads faster.

Now, you know, when you go through young quarterbacks, have a tendency to put their foot in the ground, go through the first read, and then start moving.

He needs to go one, two, three, four, and then, and then, or one, two, three, and then move.

He can't, or one, two, three, four, and check down.

He can't just move after the first one's not there.

And for a lot of the last season, that's what he did.

So that's why I say now he's going to get to two and three and four.

You're going to see a much different passing game out of Jane Daniels, and he's more than capable of putting up big numbers doing it.

So on the defensive side for the Commanders, the secondary looks completely different than it did a year ago.

Like just total wholesale change of everybody that's playing defensive back for the team.

Much better on paper than it was last year.

Well,

Amos is a big addition because he gives, Mike Sanders still goes inside and plays in nickel, which is what he's better suited to play.

So they'll be much better there.

So what did you see out of out of Lattimore once he got healthy at the end of last year?

Was he the same Lattimore that we saw like three, four, five years ago?

No, but I still think he was, I don't know if he was ever truly healthy last year.

And he's been bothered by that thing, and he's been banged up a little bit this year, too.

So when he's healthy, he's a really good player, but I don't know if he was ever healthy last year.

All right, NFC North, loaded division.

Let's start with the Vikings.

Vikings have an awesome roster.

They basically, it's basically a question of what is J.J.

McCarthy.

So

J.J.

McCarthy, if I told you J.J.

McCarthy is the 15th best quarterback in the NFL, are the Vikings a Super Bowl contender?

Was Sam Darnold the 15th best quarterback in the NFL last year?

He might have played.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, were they, I mean, obviously it fell apart at the end, but they won 14 games last year.

But why did it fall apart at the end?

Because, in large part, because of him.

Right.

So maybe it's J.J.

McCarthy.

He's the 15th best quarterback, and he also doesn't have the

ability to turn into the 30th best quarterback.

Also,

they put a lot of investments in their offensive line.

They did.

They have.

They've gotten bigger and stronger, which they needed to do.

I also think they're going to run a lot.

I worry about him.

I worry about J.J.

McCarthy.

i wasn't in that class so people who loved him tell me if you think this is a fair take on the vikings i think what they're going to i think you know they got jordan mason they they beefed up their offensive line they like aaron jones still i think they're going to run the ball a lot and it's going to be like hey jj mccarthy make make 10 throws a game

and i'll have to make more than that but but

maybe not i mean if you what you know and they'll boot they'll get him outside on boots off the run game i get it i get it.

When I say 10 throws a game, I'm saying 10 throws where it's like, it's not a screen pass or, you know, something the first read's right there, a slant.

Yeah.

Or get him to boot and let him throw the tight end and the little flat and stuff.

So, yeah, I, yeah, they'll make it easy on him if they run the ball.

That's the plan because I don't know if he can just stand back there and make the throws when he has to out of the pocket.

So he, you know, particularly, he hasn't played and he wasn't a great passer when he was at Michigan.

Yeah.

So I'm worried about him.

Good staff.

They'll get the best out of him, but, and they are better in terms of talent, at least on the offensive line and on the interior of the defensive line.

But, you know, it's all in the quarterback.

If he has a Darnold-like year, they'll be good.

I don't know if he will.

I don't know if he will.

It's interesting because that roster is very good.

And J.J.

McCarthy, it's basically, we don't know what J.J.

McCarthy is.

That's kind of how your analysis of the Vikings has to be.

It's like, if he's great, they're going to be a Super Bowl contender.

If he's bad, he will sink them.

By the way, I like the Bears this week at home.

Oh, okay.

All right.

Let's talk about the Bears.

So I'll tell you things I like about the Bears, and you tell me if you agree.

First, Kale Williams was named a captain.

Second, they've been practicing out on grass a lot.

Third,

they're taking it one game at a time, one play at a time.

That's what Ben Johnson said.

You're going to make me puke.

What?

You're going to make me puke.

Oh, I'm actually just reading Pete Frisco's most recent tweet.

He said, football things that annoy me this week, captain announcement, who cares?

Mindset questions, questions, calling practice out on the grass, saying getting it done on the rectangle, taking it one game at a time, one play at a time.

No, you don't.

I can't stand that garbage.

Seriously.

The grass, they're doing it on the grass.

Come on.

What is that?

You got a problem with grass?

Well, I mean, what kind of it's like somebody has a new buzzword every year and then the buzz phrase and it just spreads like wildfire.

And he hears it, he hears it.

Now he says it and he says it.

Same stuff.

I love when you get old man yells at cloud.

All right.

So the Bears, yeah, let's talk about the Bears real quick.

I am, I'm, I'm nervous.

I'm cautiously optimistic.

I think Caleb has everything around him now to hopefully take that step forward.

I think there's some questions on defense, the pass rush, the secondary has injuries and guys got to take a step up.

But are you bullish on the Bears overall?

Not this year.

I think they're a year away again.

I thought that year would come this year.

I I said that last year, but clearly the coaching staff was a disaster and it wasn't meant to be.

But I think Ben Johnson will get the best out of Caleb Williams eventually.

I just don't know if he has the running game that he wants to have right now.

And you know, that's what he wants to do first and foremost.

And then you mentioned on defense, where's the other pass rusher?

Yeah.

Sweat can rush the pass.

What is Grady Jarrett?

I love Grady Jarrett, but what's he got left?

So there are questions.

I think they're a year away, but they will win on opening night.

Okay, I like that.

And listen,

a year away is kind of what I'm thinking.

I'm thinking if they could get to an eight, nine win team and you see flashes from Caleb Williams who are like, hey, it didn't go well year one, but we're on the right path would be, I'd be pumped.

Yeah, of course.

Remember last year, I told you that he had a better quarterback than you did.

Yeah, no, you did.

And it's true.

Yeah.

You take him right now.

You take him right now.

I got a question for you.

This is kind of with a Bears pass rush.

What team do you think Jadavion Clowney is going to eventually play for this year?

He doesn't rush the passer anyways.

Good answer.

Good answer.

Does he do anything?

I don't know.

He signs a lot of one-year contracts.

He makes

a lot of money.

He does.

So speaking of pass rushers, the Packers, you're a Packer lover.

I feel like every year you come on and tell us the Packers are going to win the Super Bowl.

They added Micah Parsons.

He got hurt last year.

Okay.

No other team has injuries.

Yeah.

Micah Parsons gets added.

Is this now a Super Bowl team because of Michael Michael Parsons?

No,

they were my Super Bowl pick before they are Michael Parsons.

So now you must be like, they shouldn't, are they going to go undefeated?

No, they're not going undefeated.

That's a brutal division, man.

That's a tough division.

Yeah.

They're not going undefeated, but they were the youngest team in the league last year, had all those injuries.

Love was hurt the entire season.

They go to Philly and they get that crappy fumble on the kickoff that was they recovered and

nobody saw the recovery.

They lose it.

That's a tone for the game and they lose.

I think they were still built to win.

And you look at them, I'm telling you what, Matthew Golden might be a star right away.

That's how good he is.

And I was there for a couple of days in camp.

He didn't drop a pass.

He's got unbelievable hands.

The receiver core, when everybody gets back, this Watson will be back in about six weeks.

They're good there.

The line's good.

They can run the ball.

And I still think Jordan Love

never got over the injuries last year.

You're going to see a different Jordan Love.

So offensively, they're going to score points.

Defensively, they have some issues still at defensive tackle, particularly particularly with Kenny Clark being traded away.

But man, they're going to get after it, the quarterback with Parsons and Gary and Van Ness.

Do you think, like, you do that trade 100 times out of 100 if you're the Packers, right?

Like, I was saying that

I would take the Bears trading three first-round picks

for Parsons because he's that special of a player.

Didn't you do that for Khalil Mack once?

Yeah, and guess what?

It wasn't Khalil Mack that fucked that up.

It was Mitch Trubisky not getting better.

And by the way, this guy's younger than Khalil Mack was when you made that choice.

But you agree, though, Khalil Mack was not the problem.

No, he wasn't the problem.

He was awesome.

The numbers, the defensive numbers went up when he got there.

He was not the problem.

And by the way, Parsons is 26.

I normally hate trade and pays.

I hate those.

I love this one.

Yeah.

Because he's 26.

Yeah.

If they're going to be good,

those are going to be like picks number 31 and 32 or 30, right?

So it's worth it.

Pika, I want you to just envision this scenario.

If you guys had traded for Micah Parsons and then all that shit about his back came out today and you turned him, that would have been a bad day for you.

You would have been very upset about that.

He's hurt.

How many guys have bad backs?

I do.

I do.

Yeah.

Yeah, me too.

Me too.

Have you ever had sciatica crawl down your leg?

Yep.

It's awful.

Let me ask you this, Pete.

Have you ever been like, I used to have a bad back.

Now it feels great.

What are you using for it?

Like, I'm just saying, like, if you have if you have that L4, L5.

No, but you know, how many times are you like, it's all better?

Well, you know what happened?

You guys know.

If you have it, what happens, it goes away for periods of time and then it flares up out of the blue.

And next thing you know, you're on the floor writhing in pain like you haven't felt before.

So I get it.

I didn't know guys your height could get bad backs.

Well, yeah, we sit in a chair all damn day.

Yeah.

You do.

I just thought that's like why like, like, you know, like little dogs live long.

Like you're, you're probably going to live to like 110 pete.

PK, you got to go.

My dad's 80.

My dad's 89.

I hope I do.

Yeah.

Follow in that footsteps.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Short guys, we're like 90% back.

So it's like very low.

Oh, back.

They wanted me to have surgery for my back, and I told them no.

Fuck yeah.

You got gifted out.

Great knees, great neck, no back.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No back.

Back is trouble, bro.

Short temper.

All right.

Lions, last team in the NFC North, which is loaded, loaded.

Loaded division.

I think the Lions' defense is going to be really good.

I know they've lost a lot in terms of the brain drain.

I do think their defense is going to be very good.

Well, they were hurt last year, and anytime Hutchinson's not on the field, different defense.

And they had to compensate by Blitzen.

I think the defense will be okay.

Where's the other pass rusher?

Marcus Davenport, you believe in that?

I worry about that.

So they've had injuries, you know, McNeil.

They've had injuries on the inside of that defense too.

And

I get it.

Everybody, you have new coordinators, but that could be a transition period too.

When you lose Ben Johnson and John Morton takes over, I think that could be a little bit of a transition on offense.

Here's the other part.

They've been really good on the offensive line.

And now you have three new starters in there in the interior of that offensive line.

So I don't know if they're going to be as good.

I worry about the Lions a little bit more than maybe going into last season.

I still think they'll be one of the better teams in that division.

I think it'll be Packers, Lions, Vikings, and Bears.

God damn it.

What are the Bears?

What's the Bears' record this year, Pete?

God damn it.

Seven, six or seven.

All right, depends on how the seven come.

I could be okay.

You take seven, and then you take nine or ten next year.

Yeah, well, seven if it's like seven and it was a slow start with Caleb learning the offense and it became a dangerous team down the stretch.

Okay, sign me up.

Yeah.

All right.

Or seven if Caleb has a really good year and maybe the defense isn't as good because you could fix that.

Yeah.

What do you think about Jared Goff?

Are you a hater?

No, I love Jared Goff.

You love good Office?

Absolutely not.

No.

Good.

One of the most underappreciated quarterbacks in the NFL.

All right.

Good answer.

We play a game on the show.

It's called Preview the NFC South in under 30 seconds.

Ready?

Go.

The Bucks.

Bucs, more Bucks.

I think they're one of the teams that could push for the Super Bowl in the NFC.

I love the Bucs.

I think the makeup, everybody's back on offense.

Once Wurfs gets back and Godwin gets back, they're all back.

And you add a Buka to that equation.

They were raving about him when I was there in May.

They were raving about him when I was there in July.

Their offense is going to be incredible.

I think defensively, much faster than they've been over the last couple of years.

They're going to be the team to beat in that division.

That's a great preview of the NFC South.

Yeah.

If you were to do an extended version, is there another team that you would speak about for 15 seconds?

Bonus time.

I think the Falcons are the next best team, but I think they're lacking on the defensive side of the ball.

They added those edge rushers, but they're backups right now, and I worry about

their secondary.

And here's the other thing.

They want to run the ball.

McGary's their best run blocker on tackle, and he's now out for the season, so that's a problem.

Okay, we just hit the Buffalo Wild Wings button where it goes to triple overtime.

We kind of like the Panthers this year.

I don't.

Okay.

Why?

I don't.

No, I think we should just leave it at that.

That's a great preview.

No, no, no more.

No more.

Nothing more about the Panthers.

I have one more extension, though.

There's been a replay booth.

We're getting the refs coming on the field.

One untimed down.

Preview the New Orleans Saints using one body part sound effect.

Oh, those are the correct sounds.

That was a popcorn fart, by the way.

It was very dry.

That was a great NFC South preview.

All right,

let's finish with the NFC West.

49ers, it feels like everyone forgot about them.

Are you feeling like this is a bounce back here?

Absolutely.

Stars win in the NFL.

And the most star-laden team in that division, still the 49ers.

You look at it.

Purdy can play.

You know, people won't want to say he's a star, but he's close to it.

Trent Williams, when he's on the field, is one of the best left tackles in the game.

He didn't play last year.

McCaffrey is still one of the best running backs in the game.

Bosa, one of the best edge rushers in the game.

Warner, the best off-the-ball linebacker in the game.

And they have good enough players at other spots.

The only concern is if they do have those injuries again, then they get to the backups and the backups aren't nearly as good because they pay the stars.

So that's the problem.

But I think they're the best team in the division when they're all in the field.

Okay.

All right.

What about the Seahawks?

What do we expect out of them?

I know that Sam Darnold, you've got questions about him,

but I feel like they've got some talent.

They got something working up there a little bit, right?

Yeah,

I think offensively they'll be okay, but I think defensively they could be pretty good.

You know, he's a good defensive coach.

They have young talent on that side of the ball.

They might be a year away, too.

And again, if it's a big game, do you trust Sam Darnold?

I mean, that's a question.

You don't, do you?

I don't.

I don't.

No.

So that's my concern with them.

The Cardinals will be much improved.

But

I still worry about Murray.

Yeah.

This is, you know, we talk about proving years for quarterbacks in this league.

It's for him.

It's a big year because he collapsed down the stretch last year.

I mean, they were cruising, remember?

And he kind of collapsed down the stretch.

He has to have a big year for them.

Yeah.

And then the Rams.

I'm high on the Rams.

With a big if Matthew Stafford stays healthy.

And I know he's going to play.

They announced he's going to play week one, but I don't think that's the question.

Like, I always thought he was going to play week one.

Can he play week 16, 17?

Like, that's, because he, that, that is the team.

I know they have a ton of talent, but that, you can't, you can't expect to win games with Stetson Bennett or Jimmy G.

No, and here we are back to him back again.

I mean, and, and he's an older guy with a back, you know, older by NFL standards with a back is never a good combination.

And he's such a tough guy that he plays through almost everything.

But you know this, there's going to be moments with that back where it flares up.

He's not going to be able to play.

And how long will he not be able to play?

That's the concern there.

I'm with you.

If he's healthy, they're in the mix for the division.

If he's not healthy, they might as well pack their bags and start looking for something down the road.

I think that covers every single team in the NFL.

I think we hit every last one.

Is there anyone we're missing?

We forgot the Jets.

Oh,

yeah, the Jets, the Jets.

Do you have time for the Jets?

If you have to go, I understand.

No, I'm good.

What do you got for the Jets?

What do you got for the Jets?

Memes, why don't you lead the Jets discourse?

Well, here's what I have for the Jets.

If Justin Fields can do anything on offense, they can be a wild card team.

Love that.

Because they still have tons of talent on defense.

We know Aaron Glenn is going to make them tough and feisty.

They'll want to run the ball.

I think their offensive line will be better.

The second receiver and third receiver is a problem.

But Mason Taylor is going to be a big-time pass-catching threat at tight end for them.

And I think they can maybe get eight, nine wins and sneak in if Justin Fields, you know, can make plays down the field in the passing game, but also gimmick up some stuff for him to run around.

It means when you think about it, it's good when you got to gimmick some stuff up.

That's a great preview, Pete.

By the way, that's usually a combination.

When you say gimmick stuff up for him, that means your quarterback isn't good enough to stand in a pocket and make throws.

Yeah, you hate that.

Because you hate running quarterbacks.

No, I think you have to be able to run, but you got to be able to run and throw, not just take off at the first hint of pressure and get out of there and run around for no reason.

Pete, can you make us smarter real quick?

Because you do watch every single play by every single team.

Who's one guy in the NFL that we should be paying more attention to?

Brian Thomas.

Okay.

Yeah, he's really.

I think he's on the vert.

And by the way, he doesn't practice great.

That's a weird, but when he shows up at games, they go, oh my gosh, he's not a great practice guy.

What does that entail, not practicing great?

He doesn't catch the ball in practice.

He drops it in practice.

He's not great on the 50 50 balls in practice it drives him crazy and yet when he gets and when he gets in the game it's like forget about it then he went like he had had a great training camp he goes down to miami and works against the dolphins and he has a great couple day a great day of practice against them he's just one of those guys that shows up on game day yeah which is fine who's one guy that we should be paying less attention to

less attention to yeah good question

That is a good question.

Thank you.

Somebody that's going to go pooey, right out the window out the door yeah play well it's just like don't even worry about like a guy we pay already like the perfect amount of attention to to the point where maybe it's a little too much

dash kelsey oh kelsey good pick you hate love well we we pay a lot of attention to kelsey so you're saying dial it back a little yeah because look kelsey the football player isn't the same as he used to be let's be real he was he's one of the if not the greatest pass-catching tight end one of them and he's not that anymore So he's more name than game than he's been in the past.

Let's put it that way.

That sounded perfect for like a Kansas City Chiefs fan to put that on a haters highlight reel at the end of the season when he's at 1,000 yards and like 13 touchdowns.

Yeah.

You see what his yards per catch went down under 10 last year for the first time.

I mean, that's usually a telltale sign that a guy's getting old.

And by the way, here's the other thing about him.

He said, oh, I worked out this year.

I didn't work.

Well, why didn't you work out last year?

True.

Good point.

Yeah, I could see it too.

Like, it's, it's middle of February, Kansas City, Super Bowl parade.

Travis Kelsey's like, and one last thing.

There's a short Italian guy in Florida that said, I'm more name than game.

And I sold my

Taylor Swift tickets too, by the way.

Oh, you did?

Oh, yeah.

Did you get a lot of money for it?

Oh, yeah.

My wife won the lottery, and I didn't really want to go to the first place.

And it was at the stadium in Miami.

I hate going down to that place because you can't get in and out of there.

And so she said, my wife looked at me, she goes, should we just sell them?

And I go, if you want to, let's sell them.

And yeah, we didn't go.

So

at that parade, they could have both of them yelling at us.

Yeah, that would be great.

Yeah.

Her next album, She's going to Be Too Happy.

She might just write that about you, Pete.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, you know, I can be a miserable SOP.

You know that.

Yeah.

So she could write a lot of songs about me.

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Yeah, no, he's got business arms.

When he takes the shirt off, you're like, whoa.

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All right.

So you have the Bills beating the Chiefs in the AFC Championship game.

What's your NFC championship game and then your Super Bowl and winner?

Green Bay

over Philly.

Okay.

And Buffalo over Green Bay.

There's going to be a party like they've never felt in Buffalo.

That would be insane.

They'll be thinking about Josh Allen a lot there.

Yeah.

It'll be in the snow too.

I'll probably be thinking about Josh Allen a lot.

How about the going to the Super Bowl would be the last game in that stadium.

Wow.

Yeah, that's right.

They got the pit opening up next door.

They closed it.

That place is going to be unreal.

I'm telling you, there's there Bill's mafia.

There's nothing like it.

I know.

And I've been around this league a long, long time, but those fans are nuts.

And me going to training, by the way, every time I go to training camp in Rochester, I must have 15 Bills fans come up to me and say, I love you on pardon, my take.

I love you.

That's good.

Our people are strong.

And you know what I always say to them, my God, they always try and trick me into saying something I shouldn't say, but they never do.

Ooh.

That is true.

Yeah.

Well, no, you say a lot of stuff that you shouldn't say, but it's more like.

the Jaguars are going to win the super.

Yeah, we don't find out for a year.

Yeah.

No, but I'm saying like, you know, you try and lead me down paths to get me in trouble.

Where, like, if I didn't work for CBS and we were just sitting around shooting the shit, I'd probably get myself in a lot of trouble.

Oh, you filtered Prisco, yeah, you do hate Shador because of your college allegiances, but you admitted to that.

No, no, no, no, no, no, that's a football, it's a football evaluation, and again, I'd like to see any reasoning why they're against him.

Give me one, all right.

Um, rookie of the year,

offense,

uh,

Genti.

Okay, okay, what about defense?

Abdul Carter?

Yes, absolutely.

Yeah, that one seems easy.

Coach of the year, McDermott.

Okay, MVP.

Jordan Love.

Okay, we, we, that's disgusting.

Uh, he's also like 37 years old.

Uh, we are, so we're running this on Wednesday.

We already did this segment, but I want to hear yours, uh, least improved player of the year.

Least improved player of the year.

Yeah, we do that every year.

boy

who's the least improved player of the year in other words he's he stunk last year and he's going to stink this year no he already could be really good no he could be awesome he just didn't get better

oh okay

that's a tough question for me yeah tough question CJ Stroud okay least improved that's a good answer very good answer and by the way and I don't think it's going to be his own doing either yeah I think that line I think that line's a problem and and once the line's a problem, it really speeds up the quarterback and it becomes a problem for him, too.

All right, comeback player of the year.

Who's the comeback player here?

Christian McCaffrey, yeah, that makes sense because I think he's going to be back to being himself again until he until he tweaks something in week four, like he always does.

Last question: Kirk Cousins plays a blank amount of games this year in the NFL.

Zero.

Wow.

And all for the Falcons?

Yes.

There's some, there's some bad blood between him and the Falcons.

And, you know, he kind of laid them out with the injury stuff after the season.

They weren't real thrilled with it.

They said, you know what?

He's going to sit here and he's going to sit.

And now he's going to sit there and rot.

I don't know if that's necessarily a good thing.

What if Pennex has a couple bad, a streak of bad three or four games?

Right.

Do you think that guys in the locker room will want to turn to Kirk Cousins and say, hey, look, we got a veteran over here.

Maybe he can help us win?

What if that happens?

Or what if a team that has a Super Bowl caliber roster gets an injury early and they're like, hey, Kirk Cousins.

Okay, but who would that be?

Like, give me an example.

The Vikings?

I don't.

They could have tried to go get him if they wanted to.

49ers.

They've had opportunity to go get him.

I know, but I'm just throwing out names.

Rams.

Yeah.

I think they'd stick with what they have.

Jimmy jimmy g over kirk

i mean

let's face it when kirk gets into a big game he's gonna melt anyways what's the difference what about packers

i mean maybe but you really want to bring in a one-year rental money guy like that i don't you gotta maybe i like how you're you're saying that the falcons are gonna stick it to kirk cousins by paying him what like 40 million dollars to not

he wants he wants to play though yeah no it's true he does want to play i would love to have he kind of stuck it to them, too, a little bit.

Look, it's not a good situation.

Any way they shake, it's not a good situation.

Yeah.

Okay.

I'm very excited for football, Pete.

I'm very excited to talk to you again.

Me, too.

You look great.

Your arms look awesome.

Show your arms one more time.

You want to see him again?

Play that.

Yo, Eagles minus seven and a half or Cowboys plus seven and a half.

Take the points.

Okay.

Division game.

I like the Cowboys offense.

I'm with you guys on that one.

I think they'll score points.

Yeah.

All right.

Thanks so much, Pete.

You are the best.

Sorry for keeping you up so late.

Pete, for people who got this all wrong, no, no, no, for people.

Don't spin this.

For people who did it that way.

For people who are watching on YouTube, you might have noticed when Pete first joined, he had to take off his sleep.

He has a little pajama hat that he wears to bed every night because he actually goes to bed at five.

This is just his piss break.

This is how long it takes for him to piss.

You know what's great about this is you're trying to twist this on me, but the reality is this is at nine o'clock, so you can put your children to bed.

No, we actually had to do,

we've been in the office since five o'clock.

So we've been doing all this stuff.

Yeah.

Normally we do this late because you have to put your children to bed.

That's a fact.

That's a fact.

But tonight, you're wrong.

Okay.

Well, usually I'm right.

All right, go put your little hat on.

He has a little candle that he walks back to and he goes,

you know, when he snores, the hat just goes up in the air.

It's really cute.

Yeah, I'll be awake a couple times tonight already, but not for pitying just because I wake up.

All right.

Thanks, Pete.

Bye, Pete.

See you guys.

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And now, here's Michael Irvin.

Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest, recurring guest.

It is the Playmaker, Hall of Famer, three-time Super Bowl champion, Michael Irvin.

We've got the new Netflix documentary out about the 90s Cowboys.

America's team.

Playmaker,

it's awesome to have you back on.

Let's start with this in the documentary.

Uh, like, have you watched it back?

Obviously, you're in it so much, but have you watched it back and had like a moment to be like, holy shit, that was fun because it is a it's just so much 90s nostalgia and it's so well done.

Yeah, and you know, you guys, you know what's funny?

When I watch it, the first thing I thought,

damn, the 90s were great, man.

Not just the Cowboys, I mean the whole everything,

you know, economy was was going good.

Everybody living good.

It was a lot of fun, you know.

So, so, so that's the thing.

And then you start thinking about all of the relationships that you have built over those years.

So many, you're calling old teammates, and we're rehashing these stories and laughing about them.

We got people in our families that didn't know about any of this and certainly didn't live through any of this.

So, so it's been an incredible journey,

both talking about the peaks and reliving the valleys also.

It really has been an incredible journey.

Yeah, it's a fascinating look into what was a wild time for the Dallas Cowboys being, without question, the most popular team in America, the best NFL team that we saw in that decade.

And then also what you guys did off the field.

It feels like you guys partied just as hard as you played.

Did that ever, like, I know it kind of came to an end after, you know, things fell apart after Barry Switzer joined.

But when that transition happened between Jimmy johnson and barry switzer was that like a substitute teacher situation where you had barry come in you're like now we can really now we can really have fun well

that's an analogy but the reality is jimmy jimmy brought us through the hard times you know and jimmy was you have to be a certain way to get people through those 1 in 15 and 3 in 13 type of years and everything.

So you come through those years and then you no longer have that general.

And the next guy comes in, Barry, who's a great guy.

Barry's a great dude, man, great man, really great man, but a different style than Jimmy.

Jimmy kept his foot on everything.

Barry said, listen, we're grown men.

We should know how to handle our responsibilities.

And some men do it, some don't, you know, on the football field and some do, and some don't off the football field.

So the guidance would have been needed, like from Jimmy.

But,

but, you know, you look back, you understand that this is life.

Things go down, things happen, people change.

Jimmy left.

Jimmy and Jerry had a spiff that we had had a breakup, a split up, and we had to figure it out.

We would have loved to have kept Jimmy and just keep trying to do what we were doing.

We often talk about we would have could have won five straight, you know, but it didn't happen that way.

And you try to make the most of it.

I thought what was interesting after that year we lost 94 that we had to put everything down and try to come back together to win that next year in 95 and and we did with barry because we wanted it was barry switzer but it was also earnings and peasy you know we wanted we want we the guys that had super bowls i remember right before that third super bowl we were like who doesn't have a super bowl in here stand up and then all the guys in the room we had with like we have Super Bowls, but they don't.

Yeah.

We're playing for the, you're not just playing for you.

You're playing for them too.

And, you know, the Ernie Zampeze and all those guys.

And we wanted to get that third one for them.

And we did.

So, yeah.

Yeah.

And that third one,

the big story going into that season was obviously signing Deion, the big contract.

I was shocked that like you guys, you guys, you and Emmett and Troy like had no problem with all that money going to Deion.

Was that how you actually felt in the the moment?

Because, you know, it is a competitive environment.

Guys want to get paid.

Guys, you know, you're the best wide receiver in the league.

Emmett's the best running back in the league.

And then they pay the best cornerback 35 million.

Was there any part of you that was like, hey, this is kind of bullshit?

I've been here.

I've won.

Where's my money?

Or was it like, no, I just want to keep winning?

Well, first of all, there were so many things on the back door with that situation.

It was Dion.

Eminem and I was already there, and we were Miami and Florida.

We needed our Florida state.

And Deon came in and

completed that triplet.

They completed a triplet from Florida in Dallas.

You see?

So, so, and the best part, honestly, Jerry sat down with every one of us and he called me.

He brought me in the office and said, listen, we're going to we're thinking about doing this.

What are your thoughts?

I said, why the hell you need my thoughts?

You don't need my thoughts.

Go get that done.

Go get it.

I said,

now that I know you're on it, I'm glad you told me.

I'll be calling him tonight.

And then I started doing the recruiting.

You know, I told Dion.

Dion asked me, he said, man,

I said to him when I called him, I said, dude, we've been banging heads for a long time.

It's time now to bang other people's heads and come on over here and beat their butts together, you know?

And I told him, I said, man, whatever you see in San Francisco, because he asked, he said, what is Dallas like?

I said, whatever you think

leaving Atlanta, going to San Francisco is, whatever you think that is in San Francisco is,

multiply it by 10 and come across the water.

And you will see.

He came in town that week to see me.

We threw this big party, man.

And yeah, we pretty much, look, we put on a full press court on that recruit.

Yeah.

And right now,

my best friend in the world, I love him to death.

So, you know, we had no problem with him coming in and getting paid.

It ain't our money.

Yeah.

Let's all try to get as much money as we can.

And I would imagine that's a little testament to Jerry Jones because he gets criticized sometimes for being so hands-on.

But in that situation, him being hands-on and including you guys and being like, hey, this is something I'm doing beforehand probably helped the situation.

Was there ever a moment?

But he didn't say this is something I'm doing beforehand.

He says, is this okay to do right so it makes you feel part of the process right right right right now if he had gone and done all of that this could have been a different thing yeah but he came to us he said listen guys this is your team you you guys know what you're doing here

how would this affect us yeah what are you crazy yeah let's go do that right now yeah right and then if you remember now dion remember deon got into it later on with dion had gotten into it with andre rising he i had heard about some things with him and jerry rice so the first thing i was telling him was like when i got i said listen man all the mother jokers over there mother wide receivers rising and rice

them jokers ain't from florida

come on over here let's stop messing you know you ain't gonna have no issue because we florida boys you know what i mean

so so yeah we just became best friends right when he got into town i don't know how much you guys ever squared up with each other at practice having the ones go against the ones was that something that that you got to experience during training camp oh yeah all the time time i worked together all the time that's how we wanted to sharpen our game he would tell me all the little tips that he had on me over the years and what cornerback would there i didn't think about i i i i'm going as deon sanders before he got there daryl green nias williams champ bailey eric allen all of these are hall of famers everybody told me so now i got deon with me giving me talks and helping me about great cornerback play.

And I'm trying to help him with great rival Cedar play.

And yeah, we messed around in practice a lot.

Like when Troy went black 62, Deion played me enough to know that's the slant route.

And so, so now I got to say, Troy, Dion's over there.

When you go black 62 and he's going to read that slant,

I'm going to run a slanting go.

Do you know what I mean?

So, so I know he knows, so I'm going to set up his knowledge.

So

that's how you get great.

And yeah, we love those things, man.

I love those times that he and I first competed and then collaborated.

Yeah.

The one thing that was kind of remarkable to me about this documentary is the White House, which seemed like a lot of fun for you guys.

How did you get it so that no one will talk about the White House to this day?

You had everyone still

being like, no, I'm not going to talk about it, not going to talk about it.

That's remarkable.

You got a bunch of guys who

went there, who partied there, and then they get asked on a documentary 30 years later, and they're like, Nope, not going to talk about it.

Yeah,

it's like that mafia stuff, right?

Yeah, the Casanostra.

Yeah, if you talk about it,

yeah, you're not invited.

We gotta get you, yeah, but but, but, but, but honestly, and and and I was okay with talking about it and i think those guys were trying to honor and look out for me but the reality is it's time to talk about things you know you you get older and and i'm i'm i'm a christian i'm saved man so i know god saved me to go get those same people that are locked up and trapped up in those situations So that one thing that was a stain before, now that you come through it and moving on in life, it becomes the badge that gives you, it's a badge that you can use to go in dark corners to help people that are still in those dark corners.

It's just the reality of life.

Yeah, so how, like, on a given week when the White House was in its heyday, how many days a week were you there?

Well, we

were during the season.

During the season, we're working out.

Now, after a game, we may go by because we're doing the celebration, a party, a celebration, have a good time.

But the funny thing about me, and I talk about this in the documentary, like

I could, I could, I'm playing a season after we won a Super Bowl in February, Jimmy, I said, get away for a minute.

For about that month, I would have a blast, you know, go wild, wow, wow.

But after that month, March 5th, my birthday, I start training.

And I go, and I used to think that I was the strongest dude in the world because I'm like, why are people having drug problems?

Why can't they just stop?

I can have fun and just stop.

You know what I mean?

But I learned that I was, I was switching addictions.

Like I had fun for a month, then I got football to switch that addiction back to football.

Then offseason, I got that month away.

I switched.

You know, once I lost football, once I retired, and I was like, okay, this will be the last week hanging out.

Then I'm going to get back to working out.

And then that week come by and say, okay, this is the last week hanging out.

I'm going to get back to working out.

Then that week goes by and I said, this is the last damn week, I promise.

You know what i mean so so that's when i realized maybe your ass ain't as strong as your fake you know what i'm saying it was football pulling me out not my strength walking me out right when i didn't have football i couldn't make that walk out without god yeah i mean the the offseasons do sound like a lot of fun you were the the president of the of the white house would was there somebody that never got the invite that always wanted to go No, no, no, no, no.

I'll tell you this.

Troy never came to the White House.

You know, Troy, Troy, Troy never been to the White House, but that's the only person I will exclude.

That's how I'm going to give them that.

You know what I'm saying?

I would exclude.

You got to understand, too, guys, this was a process.

We didn't end up with the house.

We started at a hotel, you know, doing what you do.

And then you kind of get an apartment and then the girls all kind of coming at the apartment.

They were making too much noise.

And the 10 people around her were saying, what's going on?

So we thought that was a bad move.

And then

actually Alvin Harper came up with it harp said yeah we should get a house I was like

you know

you spend four think about it you spend four or five hundred dollars on a hotel room a night three or four of us do that that's a couple thousand dollars that's rent on a house somewhere I was like wait a minute and we can have it the whole month instead of just that one night you know what i'm saying so

yeah when heart brought that to me I thought it was

a brilliant plan, actually.

So we put it in action.

When I, when Jerry, you

see that, Leon Lett called me about three weeks prior to Jerry calling me in the office.

Leon said, hey, Michael, Kat, he said, hey, man.

And it was funny, guys.

The movie was out, that New Jack City movie, you know, where

G-Money called

Western Snipes.

He said, hey, man, you got to shut down the car.

We've been infiltrated.

Leon Lett calls me.

What's up, man?

I said, what's up, dog?

Hey, Mike, I heard the White House has been infiltrated.

You got to shut her down.

I'm like, you're watching too many movies.

They ain't shut down shit.

You know,

right?

Two, three weeks later, I'm in meetings.

We're in install that Wednesday meeting where you're putting in the plays.

And somebody comes and said, Jerry wants to see you.

I said, hold on, tell Jerry, wait, wait, wait, we got to wait.

We're putting in the plays.

I got to make sure my plays are getting put in for this game Sunday.

And he said, no, Jerry says, right now, you got to come right now.

So I get up, I go see him.

And he asked me,

what the hell is going on?

Stories are breaking all over right now about some White House.

He said, Michael, I need you to tell me the truth.

What the hell is going on?

First thing that went in my mind was Leon Let's call it.

Damn, I should have shut her down.

But I did shut her down.

And then, and then I didn't know what to say to him.

That's when I just said, boss,

we were trying to do the wrong thing the right way.

You know, and he looked at me and he said, are you shitting me?

Did you just say that to me?

I said, yeah.

We were trying to do the wrong thing the right way.

And

yeah, that's what that was.

he was mad he didn't get the invite yeah did you think about that like hey jerry if you want an invite just ask me yeah jerry jerry said that joking now one time let me tell you he's such a jerry's my guy he's a funny dude one time after all of that i did get out right because he had he i had a 24-hour service bodyguards everything provided for me just to try to make sure nothing is tried and i'm always okay jerry makes sure and and and i remember meeting some people

and saying, oh man, we can't go to a hotel.

I certainly can't go back to the

White House.

That's all gone.

I took,

let's go over to the complex.

And we went to the complex, right?

I told my bodyguards, I want to go get something.

I took the girls inside the complex.

We got in the whirlpool and the security, because you had a key, a security key.

The security was like, Michael, you can't, you can, let's get out of here.

Shout out.

You're not going to cut me.

Don't worry.

I told them to go.

They called Jerry the next morning and said michael was here last night with some

with some people um

in the hot tub

jerry calls me back up and said he tells me about he said i told him what the hell they calling me for this morning you should have called me last night i could have came and got that hot tub with him

you know but but that's just how he jokes about some situations man but but jerry's been a great he's been a great supporter and a great friend.

Yeah, the so I told you before we started, the documentary has been incredible.

I have only made it through six episodes, so I don't know if it stays incredible for you because it gets into, you know, some of you.

Episode seven, it gets into all of them.

Yeah,

the barbershop, everything.

But you said at the end of episode six, you're like, this is when I knew the dynasty was over.

That's obviously with retrospect.

After you win the third Super Bowl, was there a feeling like things have changed now and it's probably not going to be able to get back to where we're at?

Or was it like, hey, no, we still got this.

We can just show up and we'll be able to figure this out and we'll be able to fight through it.

Or could you feel it kind of slipping away in the moment?

Well,

after that third Super Bowl, I thought we had

definitely win

another Super Bowl that year.

I got hurt.

We had Pitt brought in Rocket Ishmael.

We had Rocket in

99.

I mean, we started out great

um at the washington game yeah we won that game overtime and we started out great i think with a three and oh going into philly i thought we had a great chance to get back that year and i really wanted to get back but then i got hurt and then you know that's when i hurt my neck and i and then things just things just changed so so yeah and am i ever since that 96 super bowl and and and then the incident uh my situation at the hotel right after that

my only drive was trying to get back a great glory to the city of Dallas because I had interrupted our celebration of that third Super Bowl with that hotel situation.

So, so yeah, yeah, yeah.

I thought we had a shot at doing it again in 99.

And

when I went down, it just didn't happen.

So, on a personal level, one of the scariest parts of the story is that you found out that someone paid a hitman to kill you.

Like, you had a bounty on your head.

And I guess, luckily enough, they tried to solicit the murder from like an undercover FBI agent.

So they were able to arrest the guy.

But even knowing that the guy that wanted you dead is in jail, did that change the way that you had to operate, the way that you had to go about your day-to-day?

No, you know what?

I almost, well, I was on probation.

I got four years probation from the situation at the hotel, right?

When I was in court, Johnny Hernandez

was, I guess, the husband of Rochelle Smith, one of the girls that were with me at the hotel, he said he did not want this thing to go to court.

So the only way to stop it, since I wasn't going to plea, was to take me out.

And yeah, he put a hit out on me.

I was in court when they came in the courtroom to,

they said, we stopped proceedings, Mr.

Irving, we need you in the back.

And right away,

and they pulled me in the back and they talked to me and they said, Listen, we want, um, we want it.

We have to inform you that we just arrested Johnny Hernandez for attempted murder and putting a hit out on you.

And I was like, Oh, wow, right.

And ultimately, in the doc, they said he had six years.

He had two years.

He got two years for that.

Hit.

I was on probation before.

He was getting out

in two years.

I had, I went to see him

to visit with Johnny and to apologize for

being with his girl, for taking his girl.

And when I went, nobody knew I went.

I had my people reach out to the jail

and they set it up.

The warden set it up.

He was a Cowboy fan.

So

he wanted his pictures and he set it up.

I went and saw them.

They later found out that I, I mean, the court later found out that I went to see Johnny and they wanted to put me in jail for going to see him.

I said to them, let me get this right.

I was caught in a hotel room with a few

women and some drugs, and I got four years probation.

He tried to kill me, and he's doing two years.

I'm still on probation, and he's getting out.

And you don't think it's smart for me to go apologize.

Yeah.

I don't know how

you're letting him out.

He can go hire somebody else.

I don't know if he's still mad.

He just did two years.

Girl, girl, you don't know this and you want me to just sit still.

I was like, are you guys serious?

Well, you put me in jail.

I'd rather be in jail than dead, but I had to make my peace with him.

You see what I mean?

If he had enough to do it that one time, two years sitting down may make him want to do it again.

And I had already, I gotten saved.

It was the righteous thing to do.

and what's so funny well not funny but so interesting when i walked in to see johnny

i've never seen a man weep like that in my life i've never seen a man cry i'll start i get emotional even talking about it and thinking about it i've never seen a man he was like oh my god michael okay

i've been praying so hard that you're going to come and god god told me that you were going to come and i can't believe you were here i've never seen a man i started crying I'm like, this dude tried to kill me and I'm crying with him.

Why am I crying with him?

But I just felt him.

I just felt them.

And, you know, and I thought it was the right thing to do, to go apologize.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's a crazy story.

Yeah.

I mean, good for you for doing that.

And you feel like you smoothed that all over.

So when you walked out of that jail that day, you're like, okay, I think I'm good.

I think I'm good.

I hope I'm good.

You know, I saw, but I saw a change in him too.

I saw a change in him.

You know,

that sit-down time had had really changed him.

He had to say, Mike, I hope one day that we can kind of have a relationship and be able to talk about it.

And I appreciate,

I appreciated him.

I really did.

I appreciated

the way he handled that after I came to visit him.

All right.

Can we talk about the current Cowboys?

Because

part of watching this is like, holy shit, the Cowboys haven't been back to the NFC championship game since the last time you won a Super Bowl.

Like, people can make fun of Cowboys fans.

They can't make fun of you, obviously, because you played and won those three Super Bowls.

But

what has happened in the last 30 years that has, you know, like you talk to Jerry, you talk to people in the organization.

Obviously, they want to win, but

the glory days are so far past now.

What does the future look like for the Cowboys?

Right.

And,

you know, and what you're asking me is, what do I want people to, when you bring in the documentary and you're talking about the current, what do I want this current team to get out of the documentary?

Yeah.

And the truth of the matter is to understand.

Yeah.

People talk about all the crazy things that went on, but

I want them to get out of this, the closeness of the team.

what it takes to win championships in this league.

You, because in the league, in football, you don't have any individual success.

Like you can have the basketball, LeBron can get a rebound and go take it and dunk it on the other end, do that all by himself.

You know, that's individual success.

Baseball, you can slap home runs all by yourself.

It's individual success.

Golf, drop a putt, it's all by yourself.

Individual success.

There's no such thing as individual success in football.

What I need you to get out of it is only football families win Super Bowls.

Not a football team, not a football organization we were so close

since you're so dependent and accountable to each other only football families win super bowls and i hope that's what the current team gets out of that documentary it's no i i i spoke to the university of miami earlier this week a couple days ago And everybody's always trying to do comparative analysis.

This is the best team.

That's the best team.

You got to understand what you, I tell them, I said, it's not about

who's best.

It's about us stacking greatness on top of one another.

You know, I want these guys to know, we played, we did, when I had it,

I put my stack on top.

Before they gave it to me, they had a ring, they had Super Bowls here.

My stack has to have a Super Bowl.

I want them to put their stack on top, stack on top of this great dynasty, this great organization,

and

put your trophy on the table.

That's all.

The closeness that it takes to win a Super Bowl, you won't win as a football team and organization.

You got to have that commitment, that accountability, and become a family.

That's all I want them to get.

Yeah, it's a fair point.

I saw that you were.

They've always had the skill.

It's just I need the collective will.

Those three years we went 12 and five, we had a good enough team to get to a Super Bowl, a good enough team to get to an NFC championship game.

They had the skill.

It was just not the collective will when we got to the playoffs.

Hopefully that comes together.

Yeah.

So this is actually something that I think you're probably uniquely positioned to speak about.

The dynamic between Pickens and CeeDee Lamb, especially Pickens being a, it's his contract year right now, right?

So he knows he has to play.

How do you see that playing out for them?

Like if CeeDee catches a couple touchdowns in the first week, you know, puts up big yards at the start of the season, how do you feel like George Pickens is going to respond to that?

When I was with CDC, Dam and I, we were at the game, the Knicks game together, sat together at the Knicks game.

We had a good time, had a chance to talk a lot.

I love the kid.

I love him.

He's a great, great competitor, great representation for the 88 and the 88 club.

But the conversation we had, guys, was so good because we talked about.

why this worked.

And I said to him, I said, man, I love this combination.

He said, yeah, man, I I do too.

You know, I've been talking with George.

And I said, you know why I love it?

I said, it reminds me a lot

of Harp and I.

And he said, why do you say that?

I said, because in the old days, 88, just like you, we took everything 20 yards in.

20 yards in.

I got all that.

I got all that.

That's all mine.

Anything over 20, that was harps.

We can run that same road today.

Cee De Lamb going to take everything 20 yards in.

Every now and then we'll give them a little deep bar.

Every now and then they'll let me run deep just to back people up.

But George Pinkins going to be taking it over the top.

And guys, so CD catches seven, eight passes 20 and in.

George is going to catch two or three over the top and they'll have a lot of yards because he's going to be over the top.

They don't commingle or they don't get in each other's way because what CD is great at twinning here like me

george is good at

but what george is great at going deep cd is just good at so so they they work out perfectly and we've all gathered around george pickens to make sure he understands that he's part of this family now so it's not just about him playing receiver charles haley went up to him and said, listen, I know they say you crazy.

They said I was crazy.

we want him to feel comfortable yeah he got crazy we got crazy too

we can take you're crazy we know how to work with crazy come on over here you know what i'm saying but as a family you want to make them feel like family and and and he's been great man he's been great i think he's going to be great here yeah yeah it's uh we we like watching george pickens play receiver it's it's a joy to watch uh all right well phenomenal talent yeah phenomenal yeah yeah

And people get mad at him.

I mean, get out of here.

Who the hell has Pittsburgh had to throw this man the damn ball?

Right.

They had nobody to throw him the ball.

So even though we all know and said, man, he's a phenomenal player, he's been doing that with nobody throwing him the ball.

So imagine what he must feel like right now with a Dak Prescott at quarterback.

Yep.

Michael, I have one last question.

This has been awesome.

Everyone go watch the America's Team Netflix documentary.

It's really, really well done.

It's, it's, like, I just, just, you know what it was for me?

Hearing Pat Sommerall's voice, I was like, damn, I missed that.

It was just something about his voice, just big games in the 90s.

It was awesome.

So, yeah, it's so good.

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You were notorious for being able to stay up all night and then be the first in the building and practice harder than anyone.

Do you remember a moment where it's like you didn't sleep before a game or you partied before a game or practice, you're like, oh, I don't know if I can do this.

And you still were able to because

it's insane to hear these stories and be like, man, he did that.

And then he went on the field and did that.

It's pretty cool.

Yeah, stories always get greater later.

Now, I was different during the season than I was in the offseason.

Those wild, wild nights happened in February.

Even that night in the hotel was March 5th, my birthday, because, you know, that's just what it is.

I had a system that I thought were great for me.

You know, I would, during the season, I just train and work out.

And we went out after the games and had drinks, but they never did anything during the season.

Right.

Because you had a game.

I've never done anything before games.

You have games.

But from February to my birthday, it happened to be March 5th.

And we start training in the second week in March every year.

So I kind of felt like after the super bowl till my birthday

that's wild time

that's fair wildest time in the world and my birthday was on march 5th and that's the night at going to hotel

the next week you start training and dude i'm gonna tell you something i was always able to stop i i could be doing every kind of craziness having fun i would just stop i used to get down on people but like you guys are weak-minded man you can stop doing this stuff stop saying saying you can't stop until I retired.

Because when I retired, and then I retired, I didn't have football.

I would say, man, I'm going to go out.

I remember telling my lady, you know,

that's it.

I'm done.

And it was a Valentine's Day.

And I told her, I said, I'm going to go get something to eat.

I'm going to go to the tree to get something to eat.

I'll be back in a couple of hours.

She looked at me like, I said, I'm coming right back.

I promise.

I promise.

I'll be right back.

I got home two days later.

Been out messing around, running around.

And I ran into some girl.

I'll never forget this girl having some like, oh,

like some burgundy leather pants.

I don't even watch their remote.

I don't know why I still even remember that.

Right.

And she came with me.

I said, no, I'm cool.

I'm going home.

I'm going home.

I got to get home.

She said, oh, really?

Well, I really want to to hang out.

Me and my friend.

I said, who's your friends?

Maybe we got a few hours.

Come on.

But a few hours took me a few days to get back home.

I remember coming home and my lady said, you lied to me.

I said, yeah, baby.

I lied to me.

Yeah.

I really thought I was coming back home.

That's when I said, okay,

this is getting to be an issue.

You know, I mean, and then so, but, but doing, do, when I'm playing, I, what I was doing really was switching addictions.

Yeah.

You know, right, right, right.

So I'll switch addiction and get back and say, okay, now we got football.

And then demeaning everybody thinking they're weak because they can't stop and I can stop.

Those kinds of things.

When I didn't have football, I didn't have that switch.

That's when that's when I realized this could be a problem.

I do think your lawyer should have advised you to just plead birthday on that.

Like just see if the trouble got you off.

Be like, it was my birthday, Your Honor.

I tried.

I tried.

I tried to tell him that.

I tried to say, listen, I tried to plead everything.

Jerry set up a personal meeting that I talked about in the documentary with the district attorney.

I said, when I met with that dude, I told him, I said, I'm telling you the truth.

But that's when he didn't want to hear it.

He called me all kinds of names

and then told me, he said, I'll show you tomorrow when you show up in court.

The truth is what I make it.

I'm going to make a, I'm going to fillet you like a fish and leave you in the alley.

I'm going to show you tomorrow.

I said, oh, really?

That's when I went off.

And old Florida stuff came out of me.

I said, okay, bro, I'll show you tomorrow, too.

That's why I showed up in the mink coat, even though it was 90 degrees in Dallas.

You know what I'm saying?

Because I knew the media was going to be there and I wanted them talking about that instead of what he wanted to talk about.

All right.

Yeah.

I mean, just saying, Your Honor, it was my birthday.

If I was a judge, I'd be like, case dismissed.

Yeah, right.

Boys will be boys.

And nowadays, you know,

but back then, things are more palatable now.

You know, that's just the best way to say it.

Things are more people can receive it now, digest it now.

And so now I can put it, I don't mind sharing the stories because,

you know, we're past that and I want to try to help people.

So now people hearing it, when I, if it has a problem, when I come talk to them, they'll say, oh, yeah, yeah, you were that guy.

I'll say, yes.

That's Tian.

I can talk to you now.

Right.

All right.

Well, Michael, thanks so much.

Appreciate you joining us as always.

Incredible documentary.

I would imagine you just close your eyes every now and then and be like, man, that was cool.

And yeah, hopefully we see you again sometime soon.

Anytime, guys.

Appreciate you, guys.

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We have pardon your takes for the 2025 NFL season.

Next time you hear our voices, we'll have NFL football that we're talking about, and the countdown clock will be at zero.

Wow.

I can't wait.

Wow.

Wow.

Two days.

Max, you nervous for Thursday night?

Yes.

But it's just new.

season.

I don't know.

You're nervous before every game.

You're going to kill him, right?

I don't know.

I hope.

Okay.

I mean, it's going to be a bad weekend if you guys lose.

It's going to be a great weekend, though, if you guys win on Thursday night.

It's like free play.

This is what PFT and I were talking about this before.

Oh, yeah.

I hate that the Bears are playing Monday night football.

Oh, that's the worst.

It's the worst.

That's the worst.

It's like having the last tip-off on Friday night of the first round.

The worst.

Okay, Hank.

Fix to the NFL overtime rule.

If the team that starts with the ball scores a touchdown, the game is over.

If they kick a field goal, the other team gets the ball.

But if the defense forces a turnover or a punt, they win the game.

If both teams kick a field goal, then it's just first team to get a stop wins.

No time limit.

Half the teams would elect to start on defense.

It would be four-down territory the whole time.

Who says no?

I think everybody would elect to start on defense.

Yeah.

Right?

Just like stop them from getting any points.

A punt ends the game?

A punt?

Well, so nobody would punt.

That'd be die.

A fake punt would be electric.

Would turnover on downs ends the game?

Yeah.

I don't like this rule.

Yeah, I don't like it either.

Everyone would just be defense.

Yeah.

No, that defense, that, that, that.

It was a good shot.

But at some point, a Bucs game would go to overtime, and Todd Bowles would send out his punter and then fake the punt.

Yeah.

Here's the NFL overtime rule

idea.

Each team gets the ball.

You just, no downs, no distance.

Whoever takes the least amount of plays to score a touchdown.

Oh, I kind of like that.

Yeah.

That'd be fun.

If you go first, you just keep going.

Yeah, you just keep going fucking forward first.

Until you get a touchdown.

How about this?

There's no downs.

Each team gets a ball, but it's least amount of time to score a touchdown.

I like that as well.

Just on the clock.

Yeah.

I like that as well.

That would be fun.

Yeah.

Just to watch both, like, just teams just bomb it.

Mm-hmm.

Wouldn't really look like football.

Maybe you could do downs.

Maybe it's least amount of time to score.

Okay, how about this hybrid?

Least amount of time to score.

There are downs and distance.

If you ever get to a fourth down, it adds a minute to your time.

Okay.

So it's still real football, and you're trying to go fast.

And if you get, so you don't lose the ball after a fourth down, you just get a one-minute penalty.

I think we just invented a new sport.

Yeah, that would be so awesome.

Okay.

If Europe got an equivalent league to the NFL, then would the game between the Europe NFL and the NFL be the new Super Bowl, or do we keep the Super Bowl and call it the Ultra Bowl or World Bowl?

We would fuck them up.

It would just be like the European division has a representative in the playoffs.

Right.

And we would fuck them up.

Well, if it's European players, is that what he's saying?

No, it's like just Saudi money.

In Europe.

Oh.

I still feel like we'd fuck them up.

Yeah, they get too experienced with that European culture.

Yeah.

Also, like, Europeans don't know how to throw.

Think about that.

It's just a European equivalent league.

It doesn't mean the players have to be from Europe.

I always thought it would be like a good.

I feel like the good players wouldn't want, like, free agency.

Like, who are they going to sign?

We just went over.

There's no taxes.

There's no anything.

That's a good point.

That's a good point.

I've always thought it would be like an awesome

maybe reality show.

Maybe not reality show, but just like a short video of just like throwing

baseballs to or footballs to European people and just having them try to throw it back.

Like super athletic European people toss it back.

Hey, toss it back.

Can't do it.

Just watch them just fail.

Because they don't.

I mean, they don't.

Why would they learn to throw?

Cricket.

They just learn to kick.

I think that there would be a lot of players that might be interested in playing in Amsterdam.

That'd be cool.

That one might, that might attract some free agents.

This is also, was this a planned question for you, Hank?

Because you just want our sport to be taken from us?

I want to grow the game.

Meme, send me the question.

I just read them.

Okay.

All right.

I care about the football.

I care about the football.

What's up, fellas?

Just curious to know how much you would pay to see your team win a Super Bowl.

My girlfriend said, I'm crazy for paying up to $10,000 to see a championship.

Thank you.

Probably like

$30.

$30.

Well, hey,

that would be an investment for you.

This is a, I mean, this is your bet.

This is a real thing for college football.

Because you can pay for a championship.

In theory.

Like, if I this is Super Bowl.

I know, but

I'm saying, like the

I was thinking about the other day because Larry Ellison obviously paid for Bryce Underwood right mm-hmm if you had what is Larry Ellison's

I'm gonna guess 40 billion okay

280 billion 270 billion

if I had 270 billion dollars

I would every year the Wisconsin Badgers would have a $200 million roster.

Like, would you not do that for JMU?

You know what I would do is I would also just pay random schools to steal all the good players from my rivals.

Yeah.

So, like, at some point, my roster is stacked.

I don't have any chance to get anybody better.

I just pay every other school in the country that's not in my conference to steal good players away from the teams that are.

Yeah, I would do like 150 to the Badgers roster and 50 to the MAC schools to raid all the other Big Ten schools.

Yeah, it'd be great.

Yeah.

Because this is a real thing for college football.

Like, if you have endless money you can and you have a team you can say i want to

i want to just pay for all of it

so 200 million

for a super if i had one for a super bowl yeah if i had larry ellison's money i guess that this doesn't work anymore if i had larry ellison's money i'd yeah i'd fuck it let's say five billion yeah yeah it's an easy question if you have larry ellison's money

i don't know

All right.

With Sunday, NFL Sundays coming up where you watch football for 10 hours straight, is is there anything you boys have done differently throughout the years to get through the day and to also be able to record the pod at your best while on fumes?

I've stopped going out on Saturday nights.

Yep,

for the most part.

I never go out on Saturday nights.

I would say for the podcast in general, we have done a good job of starting recording around halftime of the Sunday Night Football Game, which I know it kind of sucks because we don't talk about the Sunday Night Football game as much, but I don't have it in me to start.

Like, we used to start Eastern Time at midnight, and we were already kind of loopy.

So, that one's, I think, a change for the better for the show.

If the games, the problem is, all the games happen at the same time, and so it's you have to sit down after the afternoon games are over and really like look through and remind yourself of everything that happened

because you forget with all the football that's going on, you forget all the details about every game.

Um, in an ideal world, it'd be great to do the show after Sunday Night Football, but given what the guys behind the glass have to do, it's really not realistic.

And also, our own brains.

It's not realistic to do that.

Like, if there was a time zone we could live in.

What if we were just in a plane that had like nine TV screens and we were just flying west for the entire game?

What?

Like all day on Sunday, going slow across the country.

What time does football start in Hawaii?

I want to say, like

we're five hours.

I can't do this again.

I can't do this again.

7 a.m.

Yeah.

That's too early.

Yeah.

Like, that would be way too early.

But that would also mean that we would be done with the podcast so early.

Max?

I think.

No, Max, we would.

We would be the games would kick off at 7.

The second slate would kick off at 10.15,

right?

Yeah.

But you know what we would run into?

And the night game would kick off at 3 p.m.

But we would get so lazy, and then we would be like, oh, we got so much time to record the podcast.

And then we would

still record the podcast at like 10 p.m.

our time.

You'd be like, do I want to get some?

And then it wouldn't get out until like noon Eastern time.

No,

2 p.m.

is Sunday night football in Hawaii.

That's crazy.

That's crazy.

That's crazy.

That's too much, Hank.

But there is something.

I went to Hawaii and it was

during college basketball season, and it was very fun to put in bets before you went to sleep and then wake up and it was like halftime.

You're like, oh, oh, this is going well.

Oh, this is not.

Like, you already have like a result.

I went to like a sports bar in Hawaii during like dinner time and they were playing roofball.

What?

Like the TVs were playing, like the TVs were playing roof ball.

You were playing roofball.

That would have been sick.

It's a dangerous game, though, if you already wake up and you've got...

like a bad start to your day.

Oh, yeah,

you check your phone and immediately like, well, this is going to be a tough one to get through.

Also, that happens every Sunday morning in the real world because I'll bet all of the late-night college football games and wake up and be like, shit, that didn't go well.

Hank, last one?

That was it.

That was it.

Wiper, what's going on with the mustache?

What's going on with your mustache?

The new look.

I don't know, just trying something.

Okay, okay, okay, just trying something.

All right.

Oh.

Oh.

Someone's ready.

What did you pick on Tuesday's show?

I got it.

Okay.

Numbers three.

Three.

That might have been PFT.

I think Mike was off.

I think it was Big Cat.

22.

28.

Come on.

He asked.

I was just answering his question.

Wait, did PFT get it or did I?

I think Big Cat got it.

Okay.

Doesn't matter.

Yeah.

As long as he's got it.

You want it, PFT?

No, I don't want it.

All right.

Whose side are you on?

Number sucks.

It's way better for it.

It's way better.

I'll go 87.

43.

What's your number?

I'll take

65.

Hank, what was your number?

22.

99.

Pud.

19.

76.

43.

Did you get that?

Zach, you got it?

No, Zach.

Let's go.

Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach.

Fuck yes, Zach.

Let's go, Zach.

Zach.

That's awesome.

Post-game press conference.

Wow.

Big Captain, pardon my take here.

Zach, how did you do it?

I guess it was always 43.

Okay.

Zach, what was your strategy in picking a ball that won?

I was thinking in the 40s and I was thinking low 40s.

We went 43.

How long have you been picking balls, Zach?

I believe this is probably month three.

Oh, wow.

Or month four.

And you did it that quickly?

You know what?

You were 0 for 43 until you picked 43.

Oh, my God.

Wow.

Zach.

Amazing.

Zach, for other people who have not gotten it, do you have any words of advice?

Just got to keep picking.

Yeah.

It's good advice.

What about maybe picking the right number?

No such thing as right or wrong number.

Well, no, no, no, no.

You literally

picked 43 and 43 came up.

That was the correct number.

Every ball has their day.

Yeah.

Well, except for memes.

Memes, what do you think about Zach?

Because

that was in your mind.

Like, hey, Zach's going to maybe get it, and I still haven't gotten it.

No, I said from the beginning, I hope Zach gets it.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

Okay.

That's pretty incredible.

So, can you, like,

what can you glean from what Zach just did in front of us?

This is historic.

Guy knows balls.

Zach, I'm very proud of you.

You know, what's crazy is that Zach was 0 for 43.

Memes is now the only person that hasn't got it.

He's 0 for 294.

Whoa!

Oh, Jack also hasn't gotten it, but Memes is picked

190 more times?

Yeah, a lot more.

Damn.

Jack, you'll get it before 294 guesses, right?

Got to get some longer shorts first.

Oh,

what's up?

You're going to get it before 294 guesses, right?

I hope so.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Jack,

comments on your shorts being very short from memes.

I think they're fine.

They're stylish.

Oh, also, Zach, was that the first time 43 has ever been correctly picked?

Or what am am I looking at right here?

I think that's Jack's pick history.

Oh, that's Jack's pick history.

Jack, what do you think about Zach getting the lottery ball right?

I think it's picked up.

Talking to the mic.

It's fine.

Okay.

Memes, how angry are you?

No, I'm chilling.

No, come on, memes.

I'm just never going to get it.

Memes, come on.

What?

I'm good.

You're mad.

You're mad at Zach.

No.

I was rooting for Zach.

Okay.

No, you weren't.

Well, you still haven't gotten it.

All right, memes, go around the room.

Who are you rooting for to get the lottery ball?

Zach.

Anyone else?

Nope.

No one else.

No.

Oh, so this is a win for you.

Yeah, no.

Huge.

Yeah, congrats, memes.

Did you pick it?

Hmm?

Did you pick this?

No, I didn't pick this one.

You just picked Zach, who then picked it.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right, Zach, incredible job.

Thank you.

And you know what?

I think this might be the floodgates opening.

You might be getting it all the time now.

No, every ball has their day.

Not every ball.

Not every ball.

Three has their day.

yeah, three never, literally, never.

Ever.

One time.

Yeah, but it will probably be a day that I steal it.

No, it came up one time.

Oh, it did.

And then the ball went missing.

So you don't think it's in here?

I just saw it in there yesterday.

No, no, no, no.

This was June of 2020.

This is the gold machine.

Three, and then the ball went missing.

And then I picked it for like a couple months, and it was just not in there.

Damn, damn, damn.

It sucks, dude.

All right.

Great show, boys.

But I did pick two correctly that one time.

Too bad, sack.

sack.

Love you guys.

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