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Today is Wednesday, September 24th.

And

the Detroit Lions are going to be just fine because they went into Baltimore on Monday night and they look just as good as ever.

Yeah, they were awesome.

And this was a great game.

The football was good on Monday night.

Football.

We need to remember as we're looking ahead.

We always say, like, if you get a bad game, just wait a little bit.

The NFL will have a way of figuring out.

We'll be rewarded for our patience dealing with the shit if we can get to a good primetime game like this.

We actually need to put this one in the spank bank for next weekend.

Yeah.

For next Monday night, because we're going to need it to get through those two doubleheaders up there

next weekend.

But yeah, it was a great game.

The Ravens didn't play that bad.

The Lions were dominant on defense in terms of sacking Lamar and getting to Lamar.

You rarely see people

be able to bring Lamar down one-on-one when he's trying to get out of the pocket.

Yeah.

The Lions were doing that consistently.

The Lions' offense is awesome.

They're back where they used to be.

Jared Goff, if you look at Jared Goff's stats since he became a Lion, you could make the argument that statistically he's the best quarterback in the NFL.

He's awesome.

By the stats, by the numbers in terms of yards, touchdowns, touchdowns, all that stuff, he's awesome.

That was great to watch.

The aggressiveness from Dan Campbell continues to be awesome.

So I wanted to talk about that because we're going to talk about the Ravens, but I want to give the Lions their flowers.

I don't know if you had the same thought, but when it was fourth and two with two minutes left,

I would have been, it's like everything is flipped now.

I would have been stunned, floored, jaw on the floor if they didn't go for it.

Yeah.

Like they went to a commercial break.

I was like, of course they're going to go for this.

Yeah, they're going to go for it.

They're going to win the game.

That's what Dan Campbell is going to do every time.

If you don't know Dan Campbell by now, you'll never understand the man.

And he is quietly a nerd.

He does every, he's like the worst type of nerd for nerds because they're like, this guy is not allowed to use our data and be so smart because he's also a tough guy and an alpha male and the classic central casting football coach.

Yep.

He doesn't just go with his gut.

He actually goes with the numbers.

And the numbers have it.

Every single time Dan Campbell goes for for it on a fourth down, it's not because he's in like fuck it mode.

I'm Dan Campbell.

I've got a wad of chew in my cheek the size of Texas.

It's Dan Campbell, the thinking man's Dan Campbell.

Yes.

And it was, I think, a plus 2% win probability, which isn't a lot.

That's pretty much one of those toss-up situations, but it was still like leaning towards going for it, being the smart call.

And with that offense and with Jared Goff and St.

Brown, you go for that every time if you want.

And the genius of that play is

the tiny details of what the Lions are.

They have a bunch of wide receivers, specifically Amon Ross St.

Brown, who is awesome in the run game in terms of blocking.

And that play was set up to look like a run where the defensive holding, which they didn't even need because it ended up working, but the defensive holding is because Amon Ross St.

Brown was doing what you'd think in a run play where he is blocking and then he slips out and gets free.

And like, so that all is built built up in how they play football and how their wide receivers are willing to block without the rock.

And the Lions are really good.

And I agree with you.

I don't know if the Lions did something different or practiced something different, but it felt like for the first time in a long time, I was watching a defense be able to get to Lamar.

And also, not even this, he was sacked a bunch, and Aiden Hutchinson was an absolute beast.

He is fully back.

But the way they were able to trip him up a bunch, where it's like even when he was scrambling, they were able to, like, I don't know if they specifically practiced, like, just go for his feet the whole time, get his feet, because it felt like they did that multiple times where we're used to Lamar getting free, and they were able to take a dive at his feet and trip him up and sack him from behind.

And I don't know what, I don't know what the Ravens were doing.

I feel like

I'm kind of sick of the Ravens.

So I think the Ravens are a good football team, but this was a playoff type loss for the Ravens.

You could see this exact same game plan working its way out in January at some point.

So it's like the Ravens are a great team, and they'll beat

a lot of teams this year.

They'll have a great record, but do you trust the Ravens?

Yeah.

Do you trust them?

I don't.

Because I do not trust them.

They keep doing the things that drive me insane with the Ravens.

They are so good.

Lamar is so good.

Derrick Henry in short-yarded situations on the goal line just doesn't work.

I don't know why they keep doing it.

Is he not a good short-yarded runner?

Yeah,

the take has been there for a long time on this show.

So

he also just has a fumbling problem right now.

He's fumbled three times on 43 touches in 2025.

If you look through the course of his career, he's had like maybe one season where he had six fumbles, one where he had five, but most of them are like two fumbles a year, three fumbles a year.

Yeah, he's not a fumble.

He's not a fumble guy.

There are fumble guys.

Ramondre Stevenson is a fumble guy.

Remember Tigi Barber was a fumble guy?

He's a fumble guy.

Then he learned how to hold it high and and tight.

I actually don't, as unfortunate as it was for Derrick Henry to fumble again in a big moment, that one was just an incredible play by Aiden Hutchinson.

I think 99% of the running backs fumble on that one.

It was a great play by Ed Oliver, too, though.

Yeah, right.

So it's like, is it a fumble problem or are they just making incredible plays?

Because that Aiden Hutchinson play was incredible.

I mean, he came from behind and punched it out so perfectly that I think most guys do fumble in that situation.

It just happens that the Ravens have played two primetime games and we've had two very notable fumbles from Derrick Henry.

He fumbled in the second game as well.

But those stick with you.

So I don't know if it's a Derrick Henry fumble problem.

I'm just more like, I don't know what the Ravens, like, they were, Lamar was getting sacked.

The first problem with Derrick Henry's fumbles are he's going to,

he's so deep in the fumble zone now that now he's going to be thinking about not fumbling when he's running the ball.

That's going to make him worse as a running back.

Yeah.

Yeah, I just, there's something about the Ravens where it's like these big games.

I just don't, yeah, I don't trust them.

It was also their defense.

So their defense was

might end up doing what they did last year and just figuring out their defense in the second half.

Right.

And then they'll be great and we'll go into January being like, these Ravens are unstoppable.

This is the year for Lamar.

I still won't trust them at that point, but they do not give up long drives like they gave up on Monday Night Football.

Right.

They don't.

It had been since 2001.

That was the last time that the Ravens gave up a drive of 95 yards or more.

And it was

24 years, and they did it twice on Monday night.

So when I say I'm done with with the Ravens, I'm not actually done with the Ravens because I think they're very good.

I do think that the loser of the Chiefs-Ravens game might be a potential take-a-future on that team

just out of value.

I'm just more, like, the Ravens are so frustrating to watch sometimes because they're so good, but

they also just make these mistakes.

And even when they did the Derrick Henry pass play in the red zone, and it almost was picked off, it's like you have Lamar Jackson.

Why were they running that play?

The next play, he throws a seed to Mark Andrews.

Yeah, Lamar played really well last night.

You can't put some of those sacks on him.

The Lions were making great plays on defense.

Yeah, so

it was the Lions, like the Lions, I think, are

top-level, like, hey, remember week one, how bad they looked?

That feels like ages ago because

it feels like it's the same Lions that we've watched the last couple of years.

Did you catch this on the broadcast that their kicker Bates is a former brick salesman?

Yeah.

He used to sell bricks.

Yeah.

He's Mincy.

Yeah.

He's Mincy.

It's crazy.

Like, what kind of work do you have to do selling a brick?

Yeah.

Like, hey, do you need a brick?

Okay.

I'll put that brick in your face.

Here's a brick.

You need a Columbia connection.

Yeah.

By the way, the Derrick Henry fumble, the one thing you could say about his fumbles is the timing is not the best.

So in his career, by quarter, he's had four first-quarter fumbles, three second-quarter fumbles, two third-quarter fumbles, ten fourth-quarter fumbles.

Now, obviously, that's also probably where a lot of his carries come from.

Um, the other thing that was crazy, did you see, did you hear Troy Aikman mention, it just you forget how the NFL has changed so much that uh Derrick Henry has played, I think, in the NFL for 10 years, I believe, nine years, whatever it is.

Uh, he's half, he just got halfway to Emmett Smith's carries.

That's crazy.

Emmett Smith played 13 years.

Now, I know Derrick Henry was committee running back by committee to start his career in the Titans, but it's more, it's not like an anti-Derrick Henry set.

It's more like, holy shit, they would make those guys work back in the day.

Yeah, that's pretty crazy.

But Derrick Henry has also, I mean, after those first couple seasons, he's been the epitome of a workhorse back.

Yes, of course.

Of course.

But even a workhorse back in today's NFL is less than what, in terms of carries, total usage than what it used to be in the 90s.

I also like Troy just reminding us about how good his Cowboys were.

They were good.

Actually dropping that in there.

Yeah, I think we can say Derrick Henry has fumblitis.

Yeah.

This is fumblitis.

This is what fumbolitis looks like.

When he slumped on the bench after he fumbled, too,

that was a tough look.

Yeah, he looked like a toddler crashing out.

He looked, yeah, he looked like he was just, he was embarrassed.

He's embarrassed with how he's playing.

Lamar, I think I love the Jerry Curl on Lamar.

I do too.

I think that's a winning haircut right there.

I think the Ravens, they'll make the playoffs.

They'll probably win a first-round playoff game.

They got to get the defense.

They've allowed the most points so far this season, 97 points through three games.

Yeah.

It's a lot of points.

And the game where they blew the Browns out, they actually didn't look that great.

Right.

That was

the statistics of that game.

I mean, they did blow them out.

It was a blowout.

Doubt.

But,

yeah, I don't know.

Is it panic button time for the loser of the Ravens Chiefs game?

Oh, yeah.

Has to be.

Yeah.

Do both those teams make the playoffs?

Go into your head right now.

I think so just because of the AFC.

We had this discussion, but the AFC does feel like it kind of falls off a cliff after

the Bills, Chargers, it feels like it falls off a cliff, and then you have the...

I mean.

Which team, if they go 1-3, has a better chance of making the playoffs?

Like, if the Chiefs go 1-3, do they have a better chance of making the playoffs versus the Ravens?

I would say the Ravens just because of the division, because obviously Joe Burrow is now out.

They get to play the Browns again.

They play the Steelers, who I think they're better than the Steelers, even though the record doesn't show it.

I would say probably the Ravens.

Because the Chiefs, I mean, the Chargers, I had this thought the other day or this morning.

All the talk before this season is like, can the Bills get over the hump?

You know, can they finally take out the Ravens or Chiefs?

They were the favorite to win the Super Bowl before the season.

What if neither of them are there and it's the can the Bills beat the Chargers?

Yeah,

I would say if the Chiefs lose, I think they're still going to make the playoffs.

Chiefs do.

I do, because they're getting Xavier Worthy back at some point.

Their offense is limited without a receiver.

I think they're getting Rashi Rice back at some point, if he can mind some.

Six games, right?

Yeah, but auto-drafted him in fantasy.

It kills me every week.

Oh, no.

No, Hank.

That's the worst thing Rashi Rice has ever done.

For any one of those free rice shirts.

Yeah.

So here's the Chiefs schedule because it does, it is hard.

Like, they're going to have to win some games late in the season

because they have the Ravens this Sunday.

Then they're at the Jaguars.

Not an easy game.

Nope.

The Lions at home.

Nope.

The Raiders at home.

Yep.

The Commanders at home.

Nope.

At the Bills, at the Broncos.

Nope.

That's not easy.

Maybe.

Yeah.

But once they get rice, Hank.

Once Hank gets rice.

What was that?

You don't think you can beat the Chiefs?

I don't want to say it out loud.

Believe.

I don't want to say it out loud.

There's some Commanders fans that are very upset with me for not being more of a homer for the Commanders right now.

Yeah.

But that's just how I feel.

Like, I

to go into Kansas City on a Monday night and win.

You play scared.

It's going to be really hard.

I do play scared.

I'm scared.

I'm a scared little boy.

You're not playing to win.

When it comes to my football watching and viewing experience, I am a scared, frightened little boy and a child at heart thinking that all the worst things are going to happen to me.

And it's going to take years of terror.

I'm going to get hurt.

It's going to take years of...

Well, no, Hank.

I was pretending to be hurt.

You thought I was actually hurt.

I was.

Gotcha, bitch.

The Ravens are playing the Chiefs.

Then they're at home against the Texans, Rams, and Bears.

So that feels like probably a two-in-one.

Right?

Texans, Rams, Bears all at home?

Bears, yeah.

No,

we're not going to beat the Ravens.

And then at the Dolphins, at the Vikings, at the Browns.

So I would say the Ravens, if they go one and three, have a better chance.

Yep.

Okay, that's fair.

I just do think that the Chiefs are going to get better.

They're not going to be this better.

Although, there was a...

Did you see the clip of Andy Reid and Kelsey on the sidelines?

Yeah.

This time it looked like Andy Reid kind of initiated it.

Like, if you were to take what happened in the Super Bowl and reverse it, Reed got in his face and kind of belly titty bumped him a little bit.

I think he hit him with his tit.

I think we had a video of Mahomes throwing an absolute duck and then, like, the, you know, a clip from two years ago of him throwing an absolute bomb.

Mahomes doesn't look, I mean, it's, it's okay to say he gets all benefit of the doubt from what he's done in his career, but in terms of the last year and a half, like, because remember, last year, it's not like the Chiefs were killing teams.

They had, yeah, they had some very, very close games.

Also got mollywhopped in the Super Bowl.

Yeah, he doesn't look,

it's not the same it looked three, four years ago.

That's a fair statement to say.

It's like ever since Riola started to take all his shit.

Yeah.

It was

a monster situation.

He's stealing his powers.

And then in terms of news, we have Russ, it feels like it's done.

Dayball said they're evaluating everything.

And then the media tried to hold him to it.

It was like, so like quarterback, he's like, we're evaluating everything.

That's what you got to do as a coach that hasn't.

competed really.

You got to say

every position is up for grabs.

We're going to look at all the tape.

We're going to bring in the basketball team to try out.

No job is safe,

including mine.

And then the other one, you guys, commanders are going to play the Falcons.

The Falcons are already shuffling the deck chairs in the Titanic.

We've talked about this many times before, but the sign that things are a problem is whenever you move a coordinator from the booth to the field or from the field to the booth, and they've done that after three weeks.

Zach Robinson, their OC, is going down to the field.

Yeah, they fired.

James was right.

They fired Ike Hilliard, their

receiver's coach, and then they moved Zach Robinson down onto the field, which is a sure sign.

They're going to start asking him to.

He's on a pip right now.

Zach Robinson is clearly on a pip.

They're going to start giving him assignments that are just impossible and really have nothing to do with his job just to keep him busy so that other people can actually do his job for him.

Yeah.

It's not looking great.

Hey, this is what you get when you get a pro-football focused guy.

You get a data guy.

Get a data guy.

And then he's, yeah, so memes, credit to you.

You had that take on Sunday.

Credit to me.

Credit to you.

Credit to memes.

Also, I saw a crazy stat

about,

I think it was the Vikings.

I think the Vikings have played.

I think the Vikings defense has been.

I got to try to find it, but it was some crazy, like the Vikings' defense has played so much better than anyone else in the NFL under Brian Flores.

So credit to Brian Flores.

Yeah, there was.

He doesn't get enough credit.

He had Jake Browning in a torture chamber.

They were incredible.

Yeah.

I'm going to try to find the stat.

I don't have the stats.

Also, credit to Carson Wentz.

Yeah, also credit to Carson Wentz.

Big time.

Big time credit to Carson Wentz.

He's a shit.

All right.

Any other cleanup stuff from the NFL on Sunday?

We got any cleanup stuff.

I'm trying to remember what we need to clean up.

Any cleanup stuff?

I don't think there's a lot we have to clean up.

How are you feeling, memes, with the Jets in terms of Aaron Glenn?

That was one of the funniest, most perfect

edits done as Aaron Glenn dancing to Earth, Wind, and Fire.

Did you see that?

I did, yeah.

It was so perfectly timed up.

It was almost made for that.

Jennalane did that, yeah.

That one hurts.

But it was a cool celebration.

I love the celebration.

It's like split online.

They're like, you know, your team's about to blow it because your defense sucks.

But

what is he supposed to do?

It was a fantastic play.

Also, for all the screenshot merchants out there, and I'm speaking specifically about Stephen Shea mostly, that did the zoom in on whether or not the Bucks center got his foot stepped on on that field goal.

Get over it.

You guys won.

Yeah.

You guys won.

It was close enough.

They protect the centers a lot.

Don't worry about it.

I couldn't agree more.

The lamest thing you could possibly do is argue a call in a win.

Technically, somebody touched our center, and you're not allowed to do that.

It's a rule that is questionable at best, and because they violated on a technicality in a game that you won, anyways,

get over it.

Get over it.

Oh, they should make goalposts 100 feet tall.

Yes.

There was that kick last night for the Ravens that looked like it wasn't good.

Why not?

I think that one was actually in.

It was.

But there was another one earlier this year.

Yeah, just make the goalpost a little bit taller.

Or Titus always says put a crossbar on top.

See how square that you have to kick through.

That kicker had all the time sour puss face after he

didn't reach the landing zone and then was on the sidelines like he was looking like he was blaming something like he was mad.

It was all him, but he had the face of like trying to blame someone else.

Yeah,

just like that.

That couldn't have been me.

Like, something happened.

Like,

the wind blew up or something.

Yeah, that was a great kick.

There is one more thing

that Jerry Jones said yesterday that I think we should discuss.

He said that the Cowboys will not have a video tribute for Micah Parsons on Sunday.

Oh,

he said it's not appropriate.

What does that mean?

Do you agree with Jerry?

No.

You think that they should?

You think the the Cowboys should do a tribute video for Micah Parsons?

I don't think so.

Yeah, I guess.

The way it ended?

We're still waiting for the Isaiah Thomas tribute video to come out for the first time.

No, they did one.

They did one.

They did one.

They got that?

Yeah.

We have to establish the criteria for getting a tribute.

Isaiah Thomas definitely deserved one.

Micah Parsons, I guess, because of the way it ended, and it's so fresh.

I guess not.

Yeah.

Oh, here it is.

By the way, I have it.

This is from Mike Sando.

In the 23 Flores-era wins, the defense, the Vikings defense has been 20 times more productive than the offense from EPA standpoint.

I don't understand what that means, but it seems significant.

Yeah, I mean, it's kind of an insult stat for the offense.

Yeah, but also how good their defense is.

But also, their offense.

Like, last year, I never once thought that the Vikings' offense was ever even a problem.

Yeah, but it was

defense was just that good.

Yeah.

Oh, we did have Nick Bosa.

He tore his ACL.

That fucking sucks.

Yeah, that really sucks because Kyle Shanahan said after the game that they didn't think that it was torn.

Yeah.

And then they looked at it.

Good news, though, I think this is maybe the best ACL tear of all time because I saw everyone that works in NFL media was tweeting out.

It was a perfectly clean tear of only the ACL.

Oh.

The other ligaments were not affected.

So he's good.

So he's got, yeah, they're calling it the greatest ACL tear of all time.

The Niners just continue to be the most hurt team

every single year.

It sucks.

They just can't.

I don't know what's going on.

They just get hurt.

All their best players.

Maybe the problem for the Niners is don't have so many good players.

Because if you don't have that many good players and someone gets hurt, it's like, well, he wasn't good anyway.

They have too many good players, so the odds are one of their good players is going to get hurt.

That's a good point.

Right?

Like, if I was building a team, I'd be like, let's build the team out of like mid-players.

That way, if there's someone injured, we're not like, damn, our season's over.

Our best player, one of our best players, got hurt.

What if you just started all your second-stringers to begin the season?

That's a good idea, too.

And let them get hurt.

Then it's you're in the best, the best possible next man-up situation.

Yeah, right, exactly.

But yeah, that sucked

that Nick Bosa did that.

So I think it's his second time he's torn his ACL week two of 2020 versus the Jets.

That stinks.

That stinks.

Okay.

Should we talk some college football?

Yeah.

Before we do that,

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Because I think Hank and Max are going to be.

Yeah, we are.

We are.

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Hank, is this your first big,

like, huge college?

Oh, no, you've been to a bunch of college for fucking.

That was true.

It's his first time.

I forgot he went to the SEC.

Yeah, he did a whole tour.

Yeah.

But it is the first time in the Beaver.

It is the first time in the Beaver.

Yeah.

Get in that Beaver.

The nitty beef.

First big, big 10 game.

I guess we went to Wisconsin.

Yeah.

Ohio State.

I don't know.

I'm excited for the whiteout.

This is going to be rocking.

It's going to be rocking.

This place is going to be literally on fire.

I got a question for you guys.

Are we counting this as a big game for James Franklin?

Yes.

100%.

Yes.

This is under the big game.

100%.

Capital letter big game.

Yes.

Is it stealing?

I have to wear white right yes you got to get a nice like

real nice we'll go we'll go shopping we'll go shopping friday when we get there yeah well i'm just going to wear i don't know that i'm going to wear i guess i'll count down i guess i'll rock i'll i'll yeah i'll bet on pens i'll technically i would agree it's a big game for james franklin because if they lose then oregon will be a top five team no they are a top they are a top team i thought there were six i thought i mean they're i thought there were four they already are i mean if they're ranked six they're a top five team already there this is this is this is absolutely a big game for James Franklin.

Oregon has beaten the shit out of teams, right?

Everyone.

It's a big team.

It's a big count.

It's an absolutely big game.

It's two teams where we don't really know how good.

They both look like they're really, really good, but we don't know shit about Penn State.

They're five in the coaches.

Yeah, five in the coaches, six in the AP.

Yeah, depends.

But they're a top-five team,

in my estimation.

What were you going to say, hey?

Hasn't Penn State played no one?

Yeah,

Oregon's also played no one.

Oregon's played no one as well, because Oregon.

But they played better teams than we've thanks.

They've both beaten the shit out of no ones.

Yes.

Yes.

Okay.

Winners of the weekend, Indiana and Texas Tech.

Put everyone on notice.

Those two teams.

Indiana, what they did to Illinois, was

not, I wouldn't say shocking.

It was just more, holy shit, Indiana might be better than they were last year.

And Kurt Signetti,

he's a maniac.

He finds, you know, slights anywhere he can.

I think

he's still upset about last year and the conversation around Indiana, and he's like, I'm going to punish everyone.

That's exactly.

Yeah, there's going to be one team that's focused on style points, and that's going to be Indiana.

Yeah.

They won 63 to 10.

He was not happy at halftime either.

No.

They did the interview.

They're like, what do you need to do?

He's like, we have to score more points.

We didn't do a good enough job of scoring points.

But it was like a very even game in terms of how many points were.

It was like the entire four quarters were just chock full of Indiana beating the dog shit out of Illinois, and yeah, Signet, he is a crazy person, crazy.

They talk about him coming from like the Nick Sabin coaching tree, and he has a lot of the exact same mannerisms and viewpoints and attitudes that Nick Saban has, where he will yell at somebody if they're if they're up 50 to 10 in the fourth quarter and you drop an interception, he will like grab you and yell at you and cuss you out.

He's a complete psycho,

he's a great college football coach.

I'm wondering if he's going to to get gobbled up by like a premier, premier name.

Indiana fans will be mad at you for that.

Well, guess what?

I had to deal with the conversation for two years.

And that's what happens.

That's the reality of college football, that if there's going to be a top-level job that ever opens up soon, and there might be some, like at the very peak, Signetti is going to be one of the first three guys that you call.

Yeah.

Although he does.

I mean, he's got it rolling right now in Indiana.

They look really, really good.

Mendoza is awesome.

He's, I think, the front runner for Heisman now.

They have Iowa this weekend and then Oregon in a couple weeks.

So Texas Tech was the other big winner for the weekend for me.

They went into Utah and just demolished Utah, which doesn't happen very often.

This is also Texas Tech.

They are very open and brazen about the fact that they bought their roster with oil money.

Yeah.

I actually like the fact that they're like the three guys that I think bought the roster are just always like they're at the press conferences.

They're just walking around just like yeah we did this yeah it's like so sick oil was the original crypto yeah it's like if you can if you can camp out on a spot and you can you can make a shitload of money in just a few years you're probably a diehard college football fan if you grow up in texas yeah so what are you gonna do you're gonna reinvest that if they had if the stanford nerds that were making money off crypto cared deeply about football then stanford would be an elite team too Texas Tech was very, very fun.

And when you looked at this game on paper, just like the reputations of the teams, it's like Utah, they're the team that will just be more physical.

They will hurt you.

They will punish you.

And then the reputation of Texas Tech is they're a candy-ass team.

They're going to score

44 points and they're going to give up 52 points.

No, they're defensive.

But that's not it.

Texas Tech's defensive line is nasty.

That's not it at all.

Seven is nasty.

And then the Michigan-Nebraska game, I actually came away from that being like, one, Bryce Underwood's really fucking good.

Two, Dylan Rayola is really good.

Nebraska's defenses would stop them.

Like, he played a good game.

I don't understand how we have such a disconnect with everyone in the Dylan Rayola Patrick Mahomes thing.

Like, Matt Ruhl talked about it.

Nebraska fans are talking about it.

Like, why do you guys keep bringing it up?

We don't keep bringing it up.

He keeps doing it.

He's an awesome quarterback.

Just let him be an awesome quarterback.

Someone needs to get in his ear and be like, dude, just stop.

The funniest part to me was when he throws an interception and he's he's method acting so hard that he does

Patrick Mahomes.

I just threw an interception.

Two hands to the head.

It's crazy.

I don't get it.

Yeah.

And then he's like, I'm just trying to be me.

And sometimes people don't like me when I'm being me.

Dude, yes.

It's weird.

Yeah.

It's very weird.

You're a really good quarterback.

So just be a really good quarterback.

That's the part that just is so confusing to me.

And like Matt Ruhl's saying, oh, like, why are we keep talking about it?

We keep talking about it because he keeps doing it.

It's as as cut and dry as possible, is it not?

Like, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when people are like, why do you keep bringing up?

Why do you keep clowning on him?

I don't know, dude.

It's weird at this point.

Yeah, it is.

And when people will come back and say, oh, well,

did you idolize?

What?

You don't think it's that weird?

No.

Why?

Because it's like that's every single person when they're growing up wants to like he's not growing up anymore.

He's playing in the Big Ten.

He's not college.

He's college.

He's not growing up.

What do you say when people make missed free throws in college basketball?

They're just kids.

Okay, boom.

Yeah.

Do you know that I'm doing that as a joke?

No, because I want to.

Nope.

I want to fucking

fucking shit on them, and I use that as a kid.

They're amateurs.

Hank was proud of himself for that.

He was, but that's wrong because he doesn't understand.

I'm doing it as a joke.

They're just kids.

They're just kids.

Never grow up.

Yeah.

So you have no problem with it.

No.

I don't.

Okay, Hank.

If they're just kids and this is a natural, normal thing for kids to do, how come every other college quarterback hasn't started doing this with other nfl quarterbacks i'm sure every other quarterback looks at and they study the film they don't you know maybe mimic everything but he does like do they choose a school because it's got the same colors and then wear the same numbers matt rule

every quarterback is like why do you wear this number because my favorite player growing up i don't think you've watched him play that's a very normal thing he does some he'll do sidearm passes that are like you shouldn't sidearm pass yeah patrick mahomes is the the best quarterback in the nfl hank he does the he does the hand thing Yeah.

Matt Rule started his press conversation saying, let's not do the whole Mahomes thing.

Let's talk about the football.

I agree.

Let's talk about the football.

Tell him to stop acting like Patrick Mahomes.

He's a good football player.

He needs to go to

some sort of psychiatry.

But is he a good football player because he acts like Patrick Mahomes?

No, he's a good football player because he's good at throwing the football.

He needs to go get brainwashed.

He needs to spend some time and just like sit down in a room with somebody, like a psychiatrist that just gives him some ketamine and is like, hey, you are not Patrick Mahomes.

I just feel like

watch this video.

Yeah, I feel like it's such an easy solution if you just stop doing the.

It's not even, like, he can love Patrick Mahomes.

He can idolize Patrick Mahomes.

It's like the warm-ups and the fingers and the

how can you say,

Hank.

Every.

This is.

His tight end just got engaged.

Yeah, that's a stretch.

You think this is a stretch?

You think this is selective clip editing?

All right, Hank's getting a he's stretching.

That's like walking out of the tunnel,

doing a fan, let's go, and like jumping up is not like everyone does that.

Pull up the tunnel walk, him walking into games.

Max, there's a picture right there.

He's doing the tunnel.

Look at that.

I wouldn't know the difference.

I mean, look at the picture on the left, Hank.

Come on, Hank.

Come on.

And again, it's so easy for it to stop.

Just get a haircut and stop doing it.

Yeah.

And just be a good quarterback because you are.

But yeah, Bryce Underwood is the real deal.

Yeah, he's good.

He's going to be just fine.

I'm pretty sure those Oakley glasses are like legitimately Oakley, like Mahomes brand.

Of course they are.

And then I had the other thing.

Mahomes is even wearing those and his.

The other thing I wanted to talk about was what were you going to say, Max?

Never mind, never mind.

There's three programs that are in some deep, deep shit.

One of them is my team, so I wanted to bring them all three up.

We can discuss.

I'll start with Wisconsin.

We're in a lot of trouble.

A lot of trouble.

Like dark, dark times.

It's so dark that I basically am in like saying things to myself, hey, what's so bad about just remembering the good old days?

Yeah.

Like that's a bad place to be because I went back and I looked last night.

I was like,

so we had 17 straight years from the from the year I was a freshman to 2019 where we won 9.7 games per year.

We had 10 of the 17 years where we won over 10 games.

We had a 12-in-one season, a 13-1 season.

That's pathetic when I'm doing that.

But it is, I don't know the way out.

And I think that Wisconsin's at a really weird crossroads where it's like, I know everyone wants to fire fickle, but I think it's deeper than that.

And you have to, like,

whoever's in charge, I don't even fucking know, chancellors, presidents,

commit to being a football school.

Yeah.

Stop fucking around.

I also need that guy, the guy who created Timu, Colin Huang.

If you're listening from China,

hit me up, bro.

He's $50 billion.

He got his masters from Wisconsin.

Does he carry out football?

I don't know, but I'm going to try to get him to.

He should.

Because people keep blaming me for not spending money.

I don't have the money that you need to.

I don't have oil money.

I don't have Larry Ellison money.

I'm not even like...

That's so worlds away.

You got that Harambe money.

Colin Huang.

Yeah, I got the Harambe money.

So what Wisconsin did is they just, they kind kind of tried to become Texas Tech.

They did the Dare Raid offense, right?

Well,

no, because we didn't spend millions and millions of dollars on a roster.

Right, but what I'm saying is like Wisconsin tried to stop being Wisconsin.

A little bit.

It's more the roster just like we don't have the talent.

And our quarterbacks keep getting hurt.

It's just we're at a crossroads.

It's dark, and I know it's going to be dark for a while.

I don't know if they're going to win another game this year.

We need to figure it out.

Got to have it come to Jesus.

I don't know who to talk to.

Someone, give me someone to talk to.

Give me a chancellor to talk to.

I'm sure that that will go well if I just tell them, hey, you know what?

We got to fucking spend more money and figure this out.

We're not going to win another game, probably.

It's bad.

It's bad.

Fuck you, Ink.

I saw a face.

It's bad.

We have the hardest schedule in the country.

You can't.

Yeah, Maryland.

I know.

What did I just say?

We're in the darkest of darks.

We're in a crossroads.

We're in a really bad situation.

If Fickle was, if he was out of a job, there would be lots of teams that would want to hire him, right?

Do you think Luke Fickle is not a good head coach or just not a good fit?

No, I think he's.

I don't know what it is.

I don't think he forgot how to coach.

Yeah, the hire was a great hire at the time.

Everyone thought it was a home run hire.

Like every expert, everyone, it just hasn't gone well.

So I don't know what the fix is, but it has to be fixed.

Or we just don't play football anymore.

Or you go back to being Wisconsin and you run the football.

You just play the most boring brand of Wisconsin football

and you win nine games a year.

Also, I would like to see.

I need an alpha male coach who should be coaching but isn't coaching to fire the team up.

John Gruden.

Okay.

I also saw Barry Alvarez.

He did, and I love Barry Alvarez, but he tried to do the you're spoiled thing that Dabbo did.

Yeah.

No, it doesn't work.

It's been five years that Wisconsin's not been good at football.

There's kids who are seniors who have not seen a good football product on the field.

There's no spoiled.

And why don't you fucking figure out how to get the, instead of having all the students go in single file to the student section so it doesn't get full till the second quarter, figure that the fuck out and let them in.

And also put the student section in a better spot for the basketball.

Start being serious about sports.

It's a joke.

It's not spoiled.

The program has fallen off.

It is completely bottomed out.

So to be like, oh, you guys are spoiled, that's just wrong.

We're not, I think Wisconsin fans are some of the most patient fans, but five years is a long time to be just a shit product in football.

You're friends with Urban Meyer now, right?

I am, ish.

Although I don't know if he knows the difference between me and Brandon because he called Brandon Dan the whole time at dinner.

Would Urban Meyer be amenable to the Wisconsin job?

I don't think so.

I think he's liking his job at Fox.

Dabo?

No.

So let's talk about Dabo.

I would not hire Dabo.

He's in a crisis.

Dabo is, I think he's reached the point now where he is, he's outwardly hostile towards Clemson fans.

Well, him saying, maybe we just suck.

Yeah.

That's a pretty good sign that things are not going well.

And the crazy thing is, people now point back to week one and they say that LSU win over Clemson, not that impressive, because now we know that Clemson just sucks ass.

I think that was the one week where Clemson still had like a little bit of that juice because they've got all the good, they've got good players.

They've got good recruits.

He's got on paper, which should be a good team.

Week one, they're going out there thinking, yeah, we're confident.

We have a chance.

We're in this.

Then they lose.

Then everything falls apart.

Now it's like Clemson, they're not getting those guys.

Those guys aren't going to be as motivated for the rest of the year as

in week one.

Now they're just a bad team and they're, they're a poorly coached team.

And Dabo doesn't know how to handle it.

And he is, he is just in his

feelings.

He was crying a little bit.

Dabo was crying a little bit.

They did their little lap around the stadium beforehand like a dog before it takes a shit.

It was, it was a bad, It was a bad scene.

Yeah, it was a bad scene.

It feels like it's over for Dabo

just because of the way he, I don't know.

I mean,

I don't think they should fire him.

I also think Dabo probably is overestimated the level of job he would get.

And I think you'd obviously get a good job, but I don't know if you'd get a premier job.

If you were Florida, would you hire Dabo Sweeney?

I don't think I would.

I don't think so with the way, like, he, this is the, the, if I was in Wisconsin, I would not hire Dabo Sweeney.

No, because it's, and it goes to the last team, Oklahoma State.

It's over for Mike Gundy as well.

They lost to Tulsa for the first time since like 1950.

It's a common theme of coaches or programs not getting with the times and not adjusting to the new era of college football and being left in the past.

And so it's bad.

And listen, the times, you could make the argument, the times suck.

Yeah.

It's hard.

It's hard to build a college football program.

To be a college football coach is probably the most annoying thing ever because you have to worry all the time about which guys that you don't have starting are going to leave in the portal, which guys do you need to get to come to your school to replace guys that will leave.

It sucks.

You have to badger all the alumni's and be like, hey, I need some more money because we need this offensive lineman for NIL.

It's a shitty time to be a college football coach, but guess what?

There's a lot of college football coaches that don't mind doing that stuff.

And they get paid a lot of money.

And they figured it out.

And it paid a shitload of money.

And also, I'm not going to be that guy who, like, when my team goes, starts being bad, be like, well, it's because college football changed and it used to be better.

No, no, no.

Figure it out.

Get with the times.

Fucking fix it.

I don't know.

Everyone else is figuring out how to fix it.

Breaking moves.

Mike Gundy fired.

Whoa.

Oh, wow.

So throw this in right after we talked about Mike Gundy.

He was fired.

Okay, he probably had a not very productive meeting with the athletic director.

I would guess on Sunday or Monday.

Give him a piece of his mind.

So

day after his I'm a man, I'm 40 anniversary, Mike Gundy fired.

Does Mike Gundy get a new job?

I don't know.

Maybe.

Had an all-time run.

Mike Gundy is going to be on the news.

I feel like he's going to do news hits.

Yeah,

that could definitely be.

Like, just get, he's going to get some takes off.

I'm sad to see him go because he is kind of a fun guy to have around.

But yeah, it felt like this was...

It was time.

It was due to happen with the way that season has been going in the last couple of years.

So, yeah, Mike Gundy fired 170 and 90 overall record.

He had that one year, was it two years ago where they almost went to the playoff?

Yeah.

It kind of saved him for a second.

He had some really fun teams through the years, too.

Yeah, yeah.

All right.

We lose a legend in the college football game.

So this is how bad things are for Clemson and also for UNC, for Belichick.

By the way, Hank, did you see that video of Belichick and Jordan making out on the sidelines?

Yeah, it was fake.

Jumped into his arms.

That was crazy.

But here's how bad things have gotten for him: it's going to be Dabo Swinney against Bill Belichick coaching against each other.

Before the season started, we were all like, oh, I can't wait to watch that.

It's going to be awesome.

They moved it to noon.

It's the noon game.

And Ludacris committed to doing a pregame concert at UNC.

So Ludacris now has to go on at 9:45 in the morning in Chapel Hill to perform.

That's not Ludacris hours.

Oof.

Oof.

Bad times.

Yeah, that's going to be a tough one.

I feel like Dabo is going to try to take out a lot of pain on Bill Belichick.

Because Clemson is still significantly better than UNC.

Yeah.

So that might be a hurting.

But yeah, I feel like Dabo's, he's checked out.

Yeah.

And then this weekend is going to be incredible.

This weekend is going to be incredible.

We have

USC, Illinois at noon.

We have Ohio State, Washington, which is a sneaky, great game.

That's going to be a tough game for Ohio State.

Jed Fish.

LSU will miss.

We have Oregon, Penn State, Alabama, Georgia.

This is the weekend.

This is the weekend.

Also,

shout out to Oklahoma.

They keep winning, but they still haven't forced the turnover.

And also,

they did cheat.

They did cheat.

They did cheat.

They did cheat.

The SEC, they said, hey, hands up.

We missed that one.

Sorry, guys.

They ran the trick play where they sent a guy to the sidelines like the old Johnny Menzel, Kyle Shanahan, and then sent him to the end zone after they snapped the ball.

I don't know why that's an illegal play.

I guess it's hard to officiate.

Yeah.

The refs have a tough time keeping track of substitutions.

I don't know.

It was illegal.

They screwed that one up.

Are you happy the SEC formally apologized if you're an Auburn fan or are you more pissed off?

More pissed.

Yeah.

I was saying, like, it'd be fun.

Like the NBA last two minutes.

Yeah.

If there's like an Auburn fan that printed that out and like put it on their refrigerator,

see?

The only thing.

They apologize to me.

Yeah, the only thing it does for you is you get to make fun of of Oklahoma fans when they bring up that they beat you.

Yeah.

Like, yeah, but you guys cheated.

The SEC admitted to it.

Oh, also, we should credit Miami.

Yeah.

Miami is awesome.

Yeah.

Miami is awesome.

That's another big story from this weekend.

That was an ugly game against Florida.

That's all Florida does.

But Miami was

their offense and defensive lines are really, really good.

You had Michael Irvin on the sidelines.

He's now dedicating all of his emotional energy into the Miami Hurricanes because

the Cowboys stink.

Smart.

And Mario Cristobal is an absolute psychopath.

Yes.

In the same way as Dan Campbell, maybe not as smart as Dan, but like he's a psychopath.

Miami is a legitimately good team.

And we've seen them play, like beat teams with their offense and Carson Beck.

And this time it was just like, we're going to play an ugly game.

We got dragged down to Florida's level and they tried to beat us with experience, but we can win that type of game.

We can win an ugly game that nobody wants to watch in bad conditions.

Yeah, it was.

So I feel like

Miami is a team, and if if you look at their schedule,

Miami is going to be in the national championship consideration.

And I like what they said about

what Chris Ball said about the you being back.

He was like, I don't, that's back is a backwards-looking statement.

I'm trying to build something.

I'm not entertaining being back.

We're here for the first time now.

Their back would be really good.

Their back is really, really good.

Yeah, the yeah, no, that was a game.

It was a 13-7 game in the fourth quarter.

And Miami just like, that's a sign of maybe Miami, old Miami teams might have wilted or there might have been, you know, a play that screws them up or defensive.

No, they just went in Poundtown and just like took Florida on a ride for some bully ball drives.

It was Poundtown.

And won that game.

Yeah, they took them to Poundtown.

But that was kind of a moment where it's like, is this Miami team for real?

It's 13-7.

They're better than Florida, but this game has got the weird vibes of a rivalry game.

And then they took them to Poundtown.

I'm excited about Miami, Florida State.

Yeah.

That's going to be a great game.

Great game.

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Hot seat, Cool Trone.

My hot seat is Brandall Chambly.

Oh, what'd he do?

Okay.

Big geek, big golf geek, hater.

He might be the number one geek in golf, yeah.

Yeah, he is a big-time hater.

And that's a stacked field.

Yeah.

Really stacked.

He was talking about, and he's old.

Like, he's an old fart.

Come on.

He is.

Well, he was talking about Bryson, and he said he's a captain's nightmare to pick a partner because he's selfish.

He's an iceberg.

And he was talking about how he did a press conference instead of talking about the team and how much he likes playing for the team, he brought up his YouTube.

So it's like he was saying he was self-sucking himself,

promoting his YouTube.

And then this is where I really put him on the hot seat because there's just no way Brandall Shambly is this locked in.

I don't think this is true, first of all, but he said, I have no doubt that bots are generating a lot lot of those views oh called them out he called them out for bots on his youtube bot farming yeah randall chambly randall chambly is is somehow in the know enough to know about you know youtube views and and that bots are the reason that bryson's which it is objectively like i i love youtube golf it's like bryson's content is probably the most unique and it's very interesting and entertaining like of course people are watching it what about all the kids that come up to him and say i love your content thank you for doing the youtube content bryson yeah those are those bots yeah exactly yeah uh hank i got a question so we're gonna do a rider cup preview with shane bacon uh on friday's show because friday is when the ryder cup starts uh and we'll talk about the ryder cup set the scene everything i got a question for you i saw a tweet uh from glute activator that i happen to agree with

the hype videos are way too early

They're dropping

they're dry.

They're dropping hype videos on a Monday.

I need a hype video on Thursday night.

No, I kind of agree with Ryder Cup week.

I agree with Glued Activator, but I might even go one step further.

Golf is not a hype video sport.

It's a hard hype video sport.

It's not a hype video sport.

In golf, you don't want to be hyped.

But it's too early to get hyped.

Yeah, but Hank, it's too early to get hyped.

It's not that the hype video is.

Did you watch the video of the firefighter?

Yeah.

And guess what?

I'm going to forget about it by Friday.

Are you not fired up?

On Monday?

Yeah.

I want to get hyped up after we beat Europe.

I want to get hyped up right before.

I want to get hyped up right before.

By the way, what's your Ryder Cup plan being at Knit Valley on Saturday?

You're our number one golf expert.

Yeah, I'm going to watch on Saturday.

I'm probably going to have to find a bar and watch college football on the Ryder Cup.

Sunday morning.

Sunday, I'll be here.

You're going to be back in time?

I land at 8, and I'm just going to come straight to the office.

Okay.

Ireland and Ryder Cup.

Nice.

Hank, you're going to Knit Valley.

Yep.

To the Big Beav.

Big Beav.

You're a duck, though, right?

You are a duck.

You are a duck.

You've got ties with Oregon.

Close ties.

Some of your closest people that you work with

pretty much work at Oregon.

Are you going to root for State Penn or you?

Yeah,

and this seems like it's the matchup where it's like, I know your allegiances to this guy.

We are going to the game.

If you turn against Penn State,

if you root for Penn State, you're going to lose.

No, no, State Penn.

If you root for State Penn, you're going to lose a friend.

I disagree.

I mean, I think, I think.

Me?

If I were going to this game, I'd root for Oregon.

Duck.

I'd come in as a duck.

Quack, quack, quack, quack.

That's me because we're a rider.

We are.

We are.

Let's go.

Let's go.

Let's go.

We are.

We are.

We are.

Wow.

Good question.

Are you going to bet?

Yeah, on Penn State.

Wow, still Penn.

Yeah.

See, you even say it the right way now.

Or maybe the over.

I don't know.

Okay.

But yeah, we are whiteout.

You're going to the game.

It's like you got to root for the home team.

Just root for the over.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

And then Scotty, Scotty did a press conference talk about Bryce, and he said he's a tremendous competitor.

He's a great partner as well.

He's a great guy.

He's a good friend.

He's been great in our team room.

He brings a lot of energy, and people love him.

Being an American means a lot to him, and I'm excited to kind of unleash him this week.

Are you worried at all about the players being paid?

Has it ruined the love of the game?

No.

Okay, same.

Yeah, agreed.

I'm okay with that.

I've just seen people complain about that.

I'm like, I thought they did get paid.

I don't fucking care.

They should get paid.

I mean, everyone else is getting paid.

Also, they're probably getting paid.

The networks are getting paid.

Everyone else involved in the Ryder Cup is getting paid.

We heard a match about that two years ago, right?

Yeah.

And it's kind of horseshit that that they didn't pay the guys.

What are they getting paid?

I don't know, but I mean, Bryson's already said he's donating it.

Scotty said he's like, it's like everyone's going to just take the money and give it to a better country.

If I ever part of something that's generating a fuckload of money, they should get paid.

And I'm sure 99% of the guys are.

All right, we're finding out $500,000 each.

I'll say it right now:

if they ever call me my country to compete in the Ryder Cup, I will absolutely donate every single cent of the pay to charity.

Wow.

I'll pay them.

Yeah.

How about that?

So Scotty is donating it, right?

Scotty and Bryson, I've seen.

Bryson's probably just reinvesting it into like a server building.

No.

Oh, wait, hold on.

House all his bots.

Hold on.

It's $500,000 each, $300,000 going to the chosen charity.

So they're kind of getting, they don't really get credit for this charity.

Oh.

They're being forced.

Me,

I would then give the $200,000 as a personal stipend.

That would go to charity and probably a match.

I'd probably do $400,000 to charity, $300,000 also to charity.

Yeah, I'd double it.

So So maybe put that on a quote card.

If I were in the Ryder Cup, I would give $700,000 to charity.

That's big of you.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

You'll be good two years.

You'll be good at golf by then.

Yep.

I am.

Oh, you're going to hate it.

You're going to hate it when I just one day show up and beat you.

Breaking news.

Breaking news.

Breaking news.

Breaking news.

Breaking news.

Oh, we got him.

Jackson Dart.

The Dart attack is starting on Sunday versus the Chargers.

This is to be expected.

To be expected.

Okay.

Russell Wilson,

that goal line sequence, that was it.

It was tough.

The throwaway on fourth down.

Yeah.

Because we were recording when we did it.

So when we do that, I have to go back and I have to watch the games again and just get a general appreciation for how ridiculous that goal line sequence was.

It was worse than I thought.

I would love to know how many times someone's gotten intentional grounding from the two-yard line.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That was like unfathomable.

Beyond bad.

He came close to getting intentional grounding on fourth down from the two-yard line again.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then my cool throwing is SEC football, this league.

Yep.

Landry Kiffen.

Yeah.

Lane Kiffen's daughter

is apparently in a relationship with Witt Weeks, who's LSU's best linebacker.

Yep.

And they posted a picture that was just hard launching.

It just said hard launch.

And they're playing this week, LSU Ole Miss.

Am I wrong in saying this is good for Ole Miss?

Yeah.

Like, I saw it, and I immediately was like, first of all, it's a hard launch.

I don't know.

I feel like you can spin it whichever way you want.

I disagree.

I think you are wrong.

Yeah, hear me out.

So it was a hard launch.

You think Big Cat's wrong?

Yes.

Okay.

It was a hard launch for

the couple on the internet.

Lane Kevin has known that they've been dating for a while now.

100%.

It's his daughter.

Right.

You don't think that he's had a little,

maybe a few too many soda pops with weeks and just been like, hey, let's get on the whiteboard real quick.

I don't think Lane drinks anymore.

Okay, well, whatever.

They've just been hanging out.

Hey, let's get on the whiteboard.

Show me what you guys like to run.

What's your base do you think?

Do you think they're boys?

I think they're boys.

I disagree.

I think that this is huge for everybody.

Who do you think it's a bigger distraction for?

Yeah, so I saw.

Lane Kiffen was making jokes about it right away.

He knew they were dating.

I don't think he cared.

But I saw last night from Lane Kiffen, a man who logged on and was posting through it and told somebody to take the over

in the game.

Yeah.

Which is kind of weird for a coach to be doing that.

Well, it's because he knows their defense because he's had conversations with weeks.

I don't know.

Looking at the mental edge, I feel like LSU, they can just be like, hey, she calls him daddy too.

No, I think this is, I think Lane Kiffen's got some, got some keys to the game now.

I feel like

it's a good spin zone.

If you work hard enough, you can spin it whichever way you want.

I mean, Lane Kiffen joking about it almost immediately means that he's known about this relationship for a while.

It is.

I think everyone thinks like, oh, shit, Lane Kiffin just got a bomb dropped on him.

He's definitely known they've been dating for a while.

It is a Romeo and Juliet situation.

Yeah.

It's great this league.

Classic SEC.

Well, what's crazy?

So LSU is the underdog this weekend.

Yeah.

I feel like that's better for the underdog.

Whichever side was the underdog, I would say, benefits from this news.

Okay.

Take the over.

It was

weeks of one thing the over.

Yeah, he said take the over.

Kiffen household must be in shambles.

See, that's the thing is, I don't,

if he didn't know about it, I would understand being like, holy shit, what a boss.

He definitely knew about it.

But he could have been like because he had fun with it right away.

He posted a picture of her.

I think he probably was like she's still rooting for old men.

I think he probably did know about it, but she also took maybe the worst time possible to announce it.

Like she did this strategically.

It's not a coincidence that she said, okay, it's LSU week.

Yeah.

I'm going to announce it.

That in any world is a bigger distraction for a dad.

Maybe Lane Kiven said, hey, let's wait to announce it on LSU week.

But how would that benefit him?

That just gets him assistant.

He's talking about it, making jokes, not thinking about game plans.

He's already thinking about game plans.

He's already talked to weeks about what they're going to run on defense.

No, I think if your daughter does this during this week, it feels like it's to jab you.

I agree.

I don't think so.

I think he's having so much fun with it right away that that reeks of coordinated attack.

It reeks of, I'm actually,

I don't have a choice.

Like I wish you didn't do it, but I'm actually laughing.

I'm not mad.

Yeah.

Please don't print that I got mad.

Yeah.

No.

Yeah.

Yeah.

See it the other way.

Okay.

Embrace debate.

We'll find out.

Hey, that's what makes college football so fun.

We get to find out.

It's great.

It's great when he starts running, when he starts running action right at Weeks' face.

I do think that if you're an industrious young student in Baton Rouge, a shirt that said she calls him daddy too with a picture of Wit Weeks would go hard.

You could make a couple $10,000, mid-five figures on that.

Yeah, I would agree.

I would agree.

You can make some, make some t-shirts, get the t-shirt.

The game is an old mess, but make some t-shirts, get it going.

Yeah, you can still do t-shirts.

Yeah, for sure.

Okay, your hot seat cool through in PFT?

My hot seat is me and Hank's relationship.

Oh,

because

we got a great relationship.

Hard to do.

Are you guys going to get out of this?

We're going to golf our way through it.

We have a video, Hank and I, from the Ryder Cup that we're going to be putting out.

Hank and I went head to head in the Ryder Cup.

Great match.

And is that coming out Thursday?

Thursday or Friday.

Thursday or Friday.

One of those two days.

A great match.

It was teacher against student.

Hank's been doing a great job working me on my swing, getting me ready for the Internet Invitational.

And I was dealing with an excruciating back problem at the time, but I said, put me in there, coach.

I want the opportunity to play against my real coach off the field.

And I had fun playing with you.

And we'll see who won.

Sounds like fun.

Yeah, I don't understand the hots.

Well, it's just us competing against each other at something that we care so deeply about.

Emotions were high.

Yeah, it was fun.

I love competing against you.

I'm excited for our match, even though PFT's secretly been taking lessons and won't admit it.

Oh, this is awesome.

Is that a fair accusation?

I don't want to tell Hank if it's a fair accusation or not, but it's not.

Okay.

I have not taken a single lesson, but I figured something out.

Oh.

But Hank.

Sounds like a lesson.

This is actually great.

No, this is actually great for you.

As someone who watched him swing for two months, Hank is going around the office.

I've seen him in the last two weeks, and it's like something has drastically changed.

Drastically.

Hank's going around the office telling everybody PFT got a lesson, and I didn't get a lesson, and he is so rattled by my new swing that it's awesome for me.

Also, he's allowed to get a lesson.

No, he's allowed to show you.

I know, I know.

No, it's more he just won't admit it.

Again, I spent so much time watching him.

And if you watch you know, the first couple of Ryder-Cup matches, he struggled, struggled mightily.

And

no, I won the first Ryder-Cup match.

Or the second Ryder, whatever.

Because the alternate shots didn't play well.

And you had back issues, and there was just, you know, I knew, like, I was your coach.

I knew how far you were hitting your clubs and stuff.

And then I've seen you in the last two weeks, and it's like 20, 30, 40 yards difference.

I told you, I figured something out.

Yeah.

Figure something out?

Which I feel like means lesson, but you won't.

I did ask for lessons, and I had people that reached out to me about lessons, and I did not take them up on it.

I said, I'm a man.

I don't, listen, I'm not going to let another man tell me how to swing a golf club.

That's true.

Kind of sus.

Are you a cool throne?

My cool throne is everyone, all of us.

Oh.

Because we're still here.

Oh, yeah.

The rapture.

The rapture.

The rapture was going to be.

It didn't happen.

Maybe not yet.

Day's not over.

But

I feel like Tuesday's over in some parts of the world already.

That's true.

So it didn't happen on Tuesday.

If you're listening to this, then we made it.

It was supposed to happen.

What was supposed to happen?

We're supposed to get the rapture today, which is when Jesus comes down to earth and then takes like a billion people up to heaven.

Thanos?

Yeah.

Well, then the rest of us have to stay down here and sort it out.

Then we get a seven-year grace.

Thanos.

Then we get seven years to figure it out amongst ourselves.

It's like when

your parents send you to your room and they're like, hey, go in, think about what you've done.

And I'm going to come get you and you tell me what you did wrong.

Then you can come out.

That's what Jesus is going to do during the rapture.

And then everyone on earth, we get like a do-over and we get to then be like, hey, yeah, when you come back, I want to get raptured.

So I'm going to get baptized and believe in you.

Who decided it was the rapture today?

One guy on TikTok.

You got to kill yourself.

No, that's not how raptures were.

If you call the end of the world and it doesn't end, you can't be here anymore, buddy.

You're out.

I mean, that's a cult thing.

Like when they did the Heaven's Gate, and they're like, yeah, it's coming down.

Like, dude, if you try to call your shot, you got to be out.

At the end of the day, I do, like, you got to take your hat hat off to the Heaven's Gate cult.

Yeah, but I'm just saying, like, they're about that life.

Yeah, they are.

They are swaggy as fuck.

But I'm just saying, like, you can't call the end of the world and then have it not happen and then still be here.

That's not fair.

In theory, yes, but everybody that's ever predicted the end of the world should be out.

They'll just spin it.

They'll just be like, should be out.

We got to wait.

We got to wait.

God was testing me to see if I believed that there would be a rapture.

But turns out I passed that test by telling everyone else.

So now stand by because he's going to come back to me when it's really time.

Think about how electric it would be if that was a rule.

Because like, hey, if someone's going to call it, like, you're putting your life on the line.

Yeah.

You better really mean it.

You can't just say it.

Otherwise, people just fucking say it everywhere.

Oh, yeah.

Fucking

2048,

world's going to end.

Yep.

No.

All right.

If it doesn't happen, you got to be out.

I think that's a hard and fast rule.

So we did not get raptured.

We're still around.

Okay.

I did like the advice that people were giving on TikTok, though.

About what?

About the rapture, about how to handle being raptured.

If it's your first time, they were saying, okay, so don't look down because it's going to be scary as you're floating up.

You want to keep your eyes in front of you, maybe keep your eyes even pointed upwards.

You want to take deep breaths through your nose, out through your mouth.

They were getting really deep into the advice for you.

What are you going to say?

Counterpoint, the rapture could have happened.

Yeah, because it says a lot of people.

Because

that would mean we're the assholes.

What do you mean?

Like, the good people get sucked up into the sky and the bad people are left to rock.

It's plotted this is the end.

But I feel like you.

I'm fine with that.

Yeah.

Don't you?

Go to hell in a bucket.

Don't you

got sucked up?

That means we're the bat.

We wouldn't know.

We've been in here for.

We don't know anyone good enough to get raptured.

Zach would have gotten raptured.

I don't know.

He didn't text that girl back for a while.

I think Zach would go.

We have been in here for a little bit now.

The rapture could have happened.

Yeah.

What if we were the last ones around?

Yeah.

I would love to see Zach meeting Jesus.

Oh, thank you, sir.

You're so nice.

Oh, hello, sir.

Oh, Oh, sir.

Would you like some ice cream, sir?

Sir, how are you doing?

All right, my hot seat is

Auburn basketball.

Bruce Pearl has named his son Stephen the head coach,

five-year contract.

We like Bruce Pearl.

We like Stephen, but Bruce Pearl did have a receipt pulled on him when Stephen A.

Smith was speaking about nepotism in sports.

And Bronnie James, Bruce Pearl, said, preach, Stephen A.

This is, listen,

I'm fine with it.

Just be like, yeah, this is, he's probably not qualified, but I wanted my son to have a job, so I'm going to retire right before the season when no one can transfer.

Yeah, it's kind of a strange time to announce it.

Some people were speculating that he's going to run for Senate.

Well, I don't think, it's actually not a strange time.

I think this is the new move because you basically lock in your roster before, like, if he announced it right after the

tournament last year,

he doesn't set up his son to have a successful transition.

Now he kind of has set him up.

That's true, but it also is like a last-minute thing for the fan base.

Yeah, but I think that's

by design.

Yeah, but for the team, it's like, I don't know.

I feel like that's an announcement that should be made way earlier in the offseason.

He wanted to set up his son.

Instead of the day before you get started, he wanted to set up his son.

Yeah, some people are saying he might run for Senate, which would set up potentially a race between Bruce Pearl and former Tennessee football coach Derek Dooley.

So two former Tennessee coaches that were there at the exact same time would be running for Senate in Alabama.

Bruce, I don't think,

is indicating that he's going to run yet.

Okay.

But he might.

He might.

Because Tuberville is on his way out and Bruce Pearl, at least he won.

I do like Tuber.

He's a good coach.

I do love that in the South,

they're like, yeah, who should run

our state?

Yeah.

A coach.

The reality is,

if you're running for Senate in Alabama, you're just begging that Nick Saban doesn't throw his hat in the road.

Right.

Yeah, Tommy Tuberville.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You want a coach.

You want a coach in charge.

And then

my cool throne, it was going to be some.

Oh, I guess I'll just do this.

What?

Bill Nye got a Hollywood Walk of Fame, and Jalen Brown was there.

Oh, cool.

Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill.

What?

It's kind of random.

He just respects science.

He loves Bill Nye.

Oh, he does?

Yeah.

I didn't know that.

Yeah, yeah.

He tweeted a long time, like when he was in college, I really want to meet Bill Nye.

That's very funny.

Bill Nye came to one of the Celtics games, and it was like a big look at him.

He gave a speech.

That's really funny.

That's awesome.

That's aura, right there.

Yeah, that is aura.

That's maximum.

That's a leader.

Yeah.

I respect Bill Nye just as a human.

He would be probably top five for me in terms of if Bill Nye was canceled for being a scumbag.

That would wreck my childhood.

It's him and Weird Al.

Those are the two big ones.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, they are boys.

That's very funny.

All right, Zach.

Hot seat cool to run.

My hot seat this week is Javante Davis.

Did any of you guys see the

presser with Javante and Jake Paul yesterday?

Yes, Tank, yeah.

He is a three-time world champion, but

size different-wise.

The only requirement they have on like the weight

for the fight is that you can't go over 195 pounds.

He's like seven inches shorter, nine inches of reach.

Yeah.

I know he's way better of a fighter.

Is there a chance he just gets starched by someone this much bigger?

It is going to be a great test of like he's a significantly better boxer, but he is way shorter.

On tomorrow's part of my take.

Yep.

That's what I see when I see that picture.

There it is.

By the way uh congrats you signed desmond watson zach that's that's huge for desmond great for us but massive for desmond and the tush push tush push i don't know we we used to get him pretty well against a tush push yeah get him in the push before desmond we had a 400 pound guy to our tush push package yeah vita ve and desmond that's a lot of meat is lane playing big body he said he was gonna play okay mike evans out for three to four weeks That's a bummer.

Disappointing, but I'm just glad it's not the whole season.

Hope he gets well soon.

Yeah.

All right, your cool throne?

My cool throne this week is Call of Duty Enjoyers because the multiplayer for Black Ops 7's trailer did drop.

Oh.

And I think it's going to be, we're taking a little bit more of, or they're taking a little bit more of a futuristic approach again, which we haven't seen since Infinite Warfare.

A little bit of wall running, 30 maps at launch, or 30 weapons at launch, 18 maps.

I think it'll be good.

Okay.

All right.

It's going to be a lot of fun.

I could be just overly optimistic because I don't want it to suck.

But for right now, I think it'll be good.

Okay.

Good hot seat cool throne.

All right, let's get to our interviews.

We've got Greg Olson and then Goose the Band, and then we'll finish up with Pardon Your Takes.

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And now, Greg Olson.

Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest.

It is our guy, Greg Olson.

You can hear him on Sundays.

Greg, thank you for joining us.

Thank you for not dressing like an umpire.

Should we talk about that?

Let's talk about it.

Yeah, because

Dave was busting your balls on Monday morning on Wake Up Barstool.

You did look like an umpire.

I don't know if we would have said anything because we've already said something about your sport coat.

We've already gone down that path.

Then everyone was like, oh, Greg Olson hates Dave.

Do you hate Dave?

I actually was just texting with Dave 30 minutes ago.

And no, I don't hate.

I've known Dave for 20 years.

We go way back.

You're allowed to bust your buddy's balls.

But the key is you got to give it right back to him, right?

Like it can't be a one-sided deal.

Dave and I have known each other for a long time.

We bust each other's balls a lot over the years.

Of course, I don't hate him.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was very clear to me the internet was going to run with it.

And it was like,

that's okay.

We actually was.

Yeah.

We've known Greg forever.

And to be honest, like, you were dressed like an umpire.

Yeah, and I think it was a little, I mean,

I don't need the barstool

edit guys making like

what are those like those memes of me dressed like an umpire.

I thought maybe my credibility with the barstool brand maybe would

we don't need to make it like I'm like the

butt of the joke.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But you know what?

That that kind of was on you because

you dressed like an umpire.

So that was kind of on you.

Also, some sometimes guys are just sick of each other's shit.

Yeah.

And so you got to just bust your,

you just got to go back and it's all in good fun and it's all in good, it's all it's all in love.

And

I actually was literally texting with Dave before I came on the show 30 minutes ago, joking about how the internet is amazing and the internet is crazy and everyone thinks we hate each other.

And I'm just going to let it be out there and just let it fester.

Yeah.

Okay.

Will you, are you going to stop dressing like an umpire moving forward?

No, I'm not going to really give much more thoughts into my outfits.

The hat and the shirt were not supposed to go together.

I was out of town.

I flew for my game.

I was in, I had to fly to New York.

I had to do a meeting in the morning.

It was early.

I got up before i had to to do dave's show which i'm happy to do

didn't feel like doing my hair i had gotten dressed for the day and then that was the only hat that i had so i was like i'm not gonna i can wear a hat on this show hence i'm wearing a hat today yep uh it was the only hat i had and i hadn't done my hair and

it never dawned on me that i looked like an umpire but uh

you next week you should have a chest protection yeah you should lean into it just go on

i might go mask yeah yeah that'd be good lean in yeah uh okay go ahead yeah i was like i was gonna wear my sport coat on here today oh yeah that's a bad one that looks like you shot a couch and then yeah had it upholstered onto your chest yeah yeah that's a good one and you tried to shame me and say that your wife picked it out and make me feel bad yeah i know she did she did pick it out and she's she's yet to try your coffee every day well probably because she didn't want anybody at home being like oh my husband's hot i'm gonna make him wear the ugliest thing possible

that's a good spin my husband is so hot i have to dress him down yes yeah that's exactly what that's why i dress like this.

Yeah.

I'm moving forward with that.

I like that.

I like that one.

All right.

So week three is in the books.

You have done three games, obviously, so far.

You've done the

49ers, Seahawks, Giants, Dallas, Rams, Eagles.

Out of those six team, who are you most impressed with?

I assume it's going to be the Eagles, but let's talk about the games you've actually covered because I feel like you get extra insight into those.

Yeah, I mean, as far as team that I think can make the longest run, the deepest run, I think of the six that I've seen,

yeah, I think Philly and the Rams.

I mean, I think Philly and the Rams, I know the Rams lost, but I thought for most of the game, they controlled it.

They dominated the entire first half.

The score, we said it over and over.

They kept settling for field goals.

They couldn't punch it in.

And the game felt so much worse than the score was at halftime.

Then they come out, they get the quick turnaround on the strip sack, score, and you, oh, my God, are we in for a boat race?

And then all of a sudden, the Eagles decided to let Jalen Hurts play quarterback and start throwing the ball to A.J.

Brown and Devontae Smith and Dallas Goddard.

And they started going up and down the field.

I think that took some pressure off the Philly defense that they settled in.

And

I think the fast start by the Rams, especially defensively, was kind of wasted because they just couldn't score enough touchdowns.

And you're going to continue to see teams do it.

And, you know, we saw it last night with the Lions game.

Everyone has to stop thinking kicking the ball is all the days of we're going to play field position, the days of let's just take the points, those have to be over.

You are going to lose in the NFL nowadays every time you kick the ball, a punt or a kick, or actually a field goal.

It's a bad play.

Unless it is a 50-plus yard field goal on fourth and long, you should not kick field goals that much in a game or you're going to lose.

And we see it time and time again.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's a good point.

It is a good point.

And yeah, I think coaches are starting to catch up to that.

And that's the way the NFL is going.

And every time Dan Campbell does it, it's for a reason.

And he's made his name as being an aggressive coach.

I think the players like it too.

I think it's just part of

the culture of that team that he's got, where if you know that your coach believes in you and believes in your defense too, conversely, if you don't get it, I feel like that's just something that helps everybody in the locker room all get on the same page.

There's no doubt.

And when it becomes ingrained in everything that you do, there's no question, there's no half the huddle is saying, why are we doing this?

And half the huddle is excited.

it like you're saying it's it's baked in the other aspect of this that i think needs to get a lot more conversation is everyone right now is talking about analytics and these charts and go for it and they don't but the the real it really boils down to for a lot of head coaches so we'll take dan campbell Dan Campbell can lose that playoff game a couple years ago where they went over on fourth down and he can stand at the podium and he's confident enough and and and stands tall enough and says, you know what?

It didn't work today.

I'll take that as the coach.

We lost the game because I was aggressive on fourth down and we didn't win.

Not a lot of coaches like standing there saying, it falls on me.

Right.

When you get a field goal blocked or you fail, you know, you don't, hey, we kick a lot of field goals.

We got to get better.

We have to execute better.

The kicker has to be better.

The long snapper has to be better.

There's a lot of guys that have to be better.

When you fail on fourth down, the only guy that gets asked is the head coach, why did you go for it on fourth down?

Why did you pass up points?

Why didn't you punt?

Or whatever the question is.

It takes a certain type of guy to stand up there when it doesn't work out and say, you know what?

That's on me.

I'm good with it.

And if I could do it all over again, I'm going to do it again.

That's what it takes.

Everyone wants to do it, but not everyone wants to answer the questions if it fails.

Yeah, and that's why I'm okay with it when he does it in the playoffs and it doesn't work and they end up going home for the season.

They did it all year long.

I'm completely, I will never trash Dan Campbell for being too aggressive in a game, even if it's a playoff game, that a field goal might have helped them win in that case, because that's not who he is.

Hank is not here right now.

I think he is boycotting this interview because he took Dave's side in the beef.

But he and I and Big Cat.

What was his take?

I think Hank is just going to take his side in any beef involving Dave.

I think it's kind of how he operates.

But

Hank and me and Big Cat have had a little back and forth in the last couple weeks about

Tom Brady being in the Raiders' booth after calling the games.

And we tried to force him to admit that it was weird that you have an NFL owner that's on the headset in the booth that's also doing this, you know, the advanced meetings that you're having, the prep meetings.

So you are in the business.

I'm curious to know what kind of information gets shared as you're going into a game.

Like, what type of prep do you put in and how much info do do you actually get from teams?

I'm going to answer your question, but literally, as you were asking that question, I got a text from Big Cat, and I checked my phone, and it was a picture of an umpire.

Yeah, so

memes is sending us edits, so then I was like, oh, shit, here's an edit, I'm going to send it to you.

So, yeah, it's very funny.

We put it up in the YouTube while you're watching this.

It's a good thing I got good skin.

It's a good thing.

Tell Hank, tell Hank to stop being so sensitive.

Me and Dave are

very, very good, and we're fine.

Okay.

All right, so to answer your question, it depends on who you talk to, right?

Like, there are some coaches where we know going into the meeting, we only have to talk to them.

They're going to be very forthright.

They're going to be very honest.

They're going to tell us exactly where the matchups are, exactly what the thought processes are.

Here's how we're going to handle the game.

Expect more pass, expect more heavy person, you know, whatever it is.

They're going to tell us.

And they know over years of doing this now that there's a level of trust that it's sacred and that it doesn't go any further.

And then obviously obviously it's not going to be shared with anyone outside of the call.

And it just helps us do our job, injuries and starting lineups and whatnot.

There are some teams and some coaches who tell you nothing.

And it's not personal.

It's just, it's their style.

It's their nature.

And they don't offer up anything outside of very

coach speaking.

It almost is more like a press conference, right?

We're going to, we've got to protect the ball.

We've got to do a better job on third down.

We got to play hard.

The other team is so good.

This is a huge challenge.

And then you hang up and you say, I could have gotten that from their press conference.

So you get both ends of the spectrum, and then obviously some degrees of difference in between.

But every team, it's up to them.

So, in regards to Tom, like I've said this now a few times, like I have no problems with it.

However, a team wants to handle their production meetings with me, with him, the situation is entirely up to them.

And whatever they see fit that they think protects their information, they have every right to.

So, if Tom, you know, if they don't want to tell Tom anything, great.

If they feel comfortable and they don't think Tom's going to take it and go anywhere with it, which I assume he's not,

then they'll tell him more than they can.

So, like, it really isn't that big of a deal.

There's one or two nuggets from every production meeting on average that really ever make the broadcast.

I guess being prepared, like, if you were, if you were a TV announcer for the Mexican Football League, while also serving as an owner of our Osos, our beloved Osos,

do you think that the other coaches would share things with you and be as open with you?

That's a great question.

I feel like we should test it.

Yeah, we should test it.

Would you call a game for the Mexican Football League?

Can I do it in English?

Habla Español?

Yeah, I think so.

No habla español.

Just be like, bueno.

Puedo er al baño.

Quarterbacko.

And then just never come back.

Los Osos están bueno.

A football.

I could just say that over and over and over again.

Yeah, malo.

Yeah.

Interception.

Malo.

Oh, no.

Yeah, goal.

Yeah, hit him with a goal.

You've already said more words in Spanish than I know.

So you guys, maybe you should do it, and I'll just be like the sidekick.

Okay, I like that.

Do it.

Sunday, Ravens, Chiefs.

Whoever loses that game, should we be concerned?

Yeah, I mean, now, you know, now we're starting to get into, you know, the first couple weeks of the season, I think everyone jumps to conclusions and everyone jumps to just try to,

you know, either crown the team who they think is the best and then they let us down or they try to, you know,

all but, you know, toss a team to the side and they end up getting hot.

I think we've done that to the Chiefs multiple years over the, you know, over time.

And they always seem down the stretch to find their way and show up in the playoffs and win playoff games.

No one gives them a chance to.

And next thing you know, they're in the Super Bowl and win or lose the Super Bowl.

So I feel like we've tried to do this to the Chiefs before.

We all need to learn our lesson to give them the entire season to figure it out because all they really have to do nowadays is make the playoffs.

And do you really want to play them in the playoffs, Andy Reid and Mahomes, in a one-game winner-take-all?

Probably not.

I still think Baltimore is a really good team.

I've now seen them lose a couple games through the first three weeks that I said, how the hell did they lose those games?

They played well offensively.

The turnovers, obviously, have now happened twice.

You know, they've lost now two games with Derrick Henry having a big fumble down the stretch.

I watched three quarters of last night's game.

I still think they're really good.

I think defensively they got some issues.

I think defensively, they got to tighten it up a little bit.

But I think Lamar and that offense is still explosive.

They didn't get a ton out of the run game last night with Derrick Henry.

And then once he fumbled, I don't know if he even played again.

I really try not to put indictments on teams after week four or five.

Like when it's week 12, 14, and we really get into the holidays, then I think we'll really have a good picture of what teams are capable of, who can go far, who's kind of a flash in the pan.

I think to make those decisions in even four games is just really hard.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that's fair.

And the Ravens last year, they kind of changed their identity, especially on defense, and they pulled it together so they're capable.

They started terribly on defense last year and then became one of the best defenses in football, give or take around the halfway point.

So why are they having to do it again?

There's a million reasons that this happens and coaches have to reinvent themselves, but it's not something we haven't seen at either team.

We've seen the Chiefs start slow offensively and their defense be really good and lose some close ones, but you're like, all right, they're actually better than maybe we give them credit.

And then Baltimore, same way.

Their offense obviously has been scoring a lot of points.

They just, you know, they have that one turnover.

And then obviously defensively, they're not nearly as good right now as they were the back half of last year.

So, a question about the fumbles.

Do you have, this is a fun Greg Olson trivia question.

How many fumbles did you have in your career?

My,

um, I'm going to answer your question.

I got to add them up in my head.

My, but I want to add my own answer to a question you didn't ask me.

Okay.

Um,

my most embarrassing, worst NFL game of my entire life, ironically, I was playing for the Bears.

We were playing against the Carolina Panthers, which was odd because I ended up getting traded there.

And my

second year, so this was like 2008, we were in Carolina.

I had two passes thrown to me, caught them both, fumbled them both, lost both fumbles, and we lost the game.

That was probably the low of my lows.

Okay.

So thankfully, I got it out of the way early.

So I had two fumbles.

I would say in my 14 years, I had

six.

You had, so here's the crazy part about your career.

You had seven fumbles, but

you are net only down one

because you either you recovered six.

That's pretty crazy.

Well, I off the top of my head.

There's a year where you didn't fumble.

In 09, you didn't fumble, but you recovered two.

Oh, I recovered other people's fumbles.

Yeah, yeah.

So you're only net down one.

Yeah.

Oh, so I had a great career.

Yeah, that's incredible.

Yeah.

It's like a plus-minus.

I thought you meant I recovered six of my own.

No, you recovered other people's fumbles.

Oh, yeah.

See, when you recover other people's fumbles, it's like your fumbles never happen.

Yeah, so you only have one fumble in your career.

So, but the question.

14 years, a minus one in the turnover battles.

Pretty good.

So my question, though, is like, what do you do if you, I don't think Derrick Henry has like fumblitis, but what happens after you have three games to start the season, three fumbles?

Like, is it as simple as going old school and just walking around with the football all day?

Well, if you're someone other than Derrick Henry, your playing time probably goes down pretty significantly.

Yep.

I don't imagine, if I was Derrick Henry's coach, if I was Harbaugh, I would not alter his touches.

He's Derrick Henry.

He's been doing this for a long time.

He's one of the best backs we've ever seen.

So like, I'm not going to over correct and just like remove him from the game.

I think you're.

I think the defense would say, sure, have your non-fumble running back.

We don't have to tackle Derrick Henry.

So I don't want to do the defense defense any favors by taking carries out of his hand.

I think a lot of the times it becomes mental.

And what you don't want, especially for a guy like Derrick Henry, is where he's, you see these guys and they're so worried about ball security and their two hands and they're cupping the wrist and they're running so tight that they're not nearly as effective as a runner where the fear of fumbling almost makes them uneffective.

right because their only hope is all right you can tackle me knock me down i'm not going to try to stiff arm you i'm not going to try to really be be aggressive running through contact because at the end of the play, the only thing I care about for the next couple of weeks is that I don't fumble again.

You can't have that.

You can't have that as your running back.

It doesn't matter who you are.

So I think it's business as usual.

I think it's one of those things if you over focus on it, you can almost make it worse.

I don't think he needs to be out there with a thousand bungee cords on a ball and doing.

I think he's got to do his normal ball security drills, his normal

running back individual drills.

I don't think they need to talk about it a lot.

I don't think you want to continue to draw attention.

This is something that needs to be flushed from his head.

And like, it's almost like the yips.

Yeah.

Like, get it out of his head.

And the more you talk and emphasize it, it almost gets worse.

Right.

We also were saying that not all fumbles are created equally.

Like the Aiden Hutchinson made an incredible play where it's like, what do you, I think 99% of running backs fumble in that situation where you get a perfect punch on a ball.

I think that running scared, though, and running, thinking about fumbling, that would probably be appropriate for that Ed Oliver fumble.

Yeah.

Because that was a different situation.

You have a lead in that circumstance and you're just trying to kill the clock.

But yeah, you're right.

I agree with you.

I feel like if you were to just constantly be worried about fumbling the ball, then you take away everything that made Derrick Henry a great running back to begin with, and then nobody's happy.

Yeah, and then

whether you fumble or not, you're not nearly as impactful on the game, and

then you're not moving the needle.

So it's a very fine

that kind of stuff, like the mental side of failure in sports, whether it's the guy who can't get a hit and he's in a 10-game slump or the guy who can't buy a free throw or he can't make a layup.

And like we've all been there and

it's hard to get through the mental side of it.

And it's not because of where his hand is on the ball.

And, you know, everyone's going to give him a thousand pointers.

The points got to be up.

It's got to be against your chest.

It can't be disconnected.

Cup your wrist in traffic.

Like there's all these like coaching points, which are all valid and it all has to be emphasized.

But really, at the end of the day, he's been doing this his entire life.

You got to just be Derrick Henry, continue to run people over, run physical.

And after a game or two where you get 20 carries and you don't put one on the ground, it gets out of your head and you move on.

Yeah.

You brought up the yips.

Is it possible for a receiver to have the yips?

Because we saw Marvin Harrison Jr.

and then we saw Brian Thomas Jr.

All the juniors have the yips right now, it seems like.

What is that like?

Yeah, I mean, there's times.

And again,

I always feel for these guys because I always put myself in their shoes.

Like, it's so easy, especially as a commentator or just right now shooting the shit with you guys.

Like, it's so easy to be like, it's not that hard.

Catch the ball.

Don't fumble.

Like, I've been there and there was some games.

Thankfully, I didn't have a ton of issues with drops in my career.

But I'll be honest, there were games where going into the game based on what happened in practice or just a million factors where you went into the game and you're like, I'm not seeing it great.

Like, I'm just not tracking it great.

And I'm not feeling it.

I don't see it.

And like, you're like, holy shit, I hope I don't have a bunch of drops.

Like, it is a real mental battle.

And then there's other games where you're feeling so comfortable.

You could throw the ball behind your head and you knew you were going to catch it.

Like, that's real.

And I think any player, especially if you've played for a long time, goes through those ups and downs of like that internal mental battle of your confidence.

And catching is the ips, fumbling is the ips.

Quarterbacks who are gun shy because they've thrown a lot of interceptions, like all of a sudden that ball is just a little bit later and they turn down windows and they don't want to push the ball and it turns into check down Charlie.

They're taking sacks.

Like that's all mental.

And

it's real.

Like that is real.

And I don't give a shit how good you are.

There are periods of everybody's career that they go through that uncertainty and they're questioning themselves.

And you better learn as a young player how to work yourself through it.

My second year fumbling that game,

that changed my entire career because I was like, I refuse to let this happen again.

Like that shit hurts.

Like that is bad.

Yeah.

What about

what about the teams start 0-3?

Like where are they at mentally?

What are you like, because that's, it kind of goes on the same thing, the yips, a team-wide where it's like, Football is a really hard sport to play.

And if you're 0-3 and you got to get back up on a Sunday and you're looking around, you're like, even I saw the comments Michael Pittman made after the Colts beat the Titans.

He said he could see the Titans didn't have that bounce, that juice pregame.

What happens in the locker room when you have a slow start to a season and how do you correct it?

Well, that's where you really start testing.

your leadership, your locker room, what types of guys you got, what types of leaders you have in the coaching staff.

Like everyone always has good culture when you're winning and there's great energy and every coach is great and every relationship in the locker room and every coach player relationship.

Like everything's fine and dandy, right?

Winning cures everything.

All of a sudden now you start getting tested by losing, especially if you're 0-3 now entering your fourth game of the season, you haven't gotten a win.

And all of a sudden now you start pressing and everything becomes.

Instead of focusing on, hey, let's have a great Wednesday meeting.

Let's really have a good first and second down install.

Let's have a great focused walkthrough.

Hey, guys, let's have a great weight room session.

Like, whatever Wednesday calls for,

the good teams have the ability to be like, hey, let's just worry about the next.

But all the teams that have lost are thinking is, we got to do something to get a win.

How do we get a win?

We got to do something to get a win.

And they're putting the cart so far before the horse where you're not going to get a win if you get a shitty Wednesday blitz period.

And you're not going to get a win if you guys don't have a good workout and you guys don't attack their rehab and you have guys who miss practice.

And the 500 things that go on between the end of the day, a game and the following week's game there's 5 million boxes to check and if you don't check them in the right sequence you're not going to find a win because there's no luck right there's no like there's no easy wins in this league so it's so cliche when these coaches and these players and they get up there and they talk about one week at a time and all the shit we all laugh about

but for the teams that stink and for the teams that are 0-3, it is even more critical that they only focus on like literally what they're doing in the given moment because if they're so consumed with we need to win the coach is going to get fired they're going to bench the quarterback who's going to lose their job once that creeps in and you got player only meetings and guys talking stupid in press conferences like you're done right your season's over you might as well pack your up and go home yeah having a players only meeting after the first week for the dolphins that that to me feels a little bit early like what are you going to accomplish in that yeah we used to have a saying you know we used to joke about it but like

once you start having players-only meetings, people should start packing their shit up.

Yeah.

Because somebody's going to get fired.

Yeah.

And

I also like on the flip side, when you I love the videos of the locker room after a win because it is so hard to win in the NFL.

How, this is a very dumb question, but I sometimes fantasize about it.

How sick was it Sunday night after you win a football game?

Was it so sick?

What would you eat for dinner?

Well, if it was an away game.

All right, so that's a good question.

So it really varied.

Home games when we were young, like home games in Chicago.

So my last year in Chicago, we were really good.

That 2010 year, we went to the NFC Championship.

So like we were young.

We had no kids.

We were downtown.

So after a home game, you know, especially, you know, we won a playoff game against Seattle.

We want a Monday night.

We won either a Monday or a Sunday night game against the Packers.

After those big home games, right, like you're going out to dinner, you're at Joe's Stone Crab.

You walk into Joe's and like people are giving you a round of applause.

Like the whole city,

you know, just rallies around.

So a lot of those really cool moments after wins in the locker room and then with your, you know, small group of buddies that you would go out with and your family and whatnot.

You know, as we got into like having kids, like my highlight after a home win would be like, let's drive through McDonald's and just eat like a 20

chicken nugget and a hot fry and a Coke and just.

take a deep breath.

So like as at different stages of your life, there's different like pleasures.

Like, you know, when you're young in Chicago, you wanted to go out to a bar or you wanted to go out to dinner.

When you're a married dad with three toddlers at home, picking up a McDonald's drive-through and going to sit on the couch and watch the Sunday night game after you just had a touchdown and won, like it doesn't get any better than that.

Oh, that's the best.

That does sound great.

What was the best time of day to get a win when you were young in Chicago?

Was it like if you win the early game, then you've got the entire afternoon and evening in front of you?

Or was it winning like a Monday night football game?

Yeah, so I think when you're young, you wanted to win the earlier game because then you could go out, like you could go to dinner, you can go to the bar, you can go hang out Sunday night downtown, knowing that you had meetings Monday morning, but it wasn't going to be anything crazy.

When Lovey was the coach, when we won, well, he was my only coach, so I guess when I was in Chicago, if you won, it was mandatory victory Monday.

So we didn't even have anything official on Monday.

So if you did go in, you went in on your own, and it was, you know, it was.

Oh, I'd go in every Monday if I won just to be like, that was awesome.

Yeah, you go, you go in because, yeah, you go in, but it's just not, it's not mandatory.

You have to meet with your coach.

You don't have to do anything official.

Yeah.

Did you ever have a teammate that we were speculating that when the Eagles won this last weekend, that Jalen Hurts was going to be like, hey, nobody here should treat this like a win.

We're going into workout.

I think someone's going to tell me that I had tissue on my beard.

Oh, I thought you noticed cocaine.

Yeah, I didn't notice it.

You should have told me.

So I blew my nose before I came on here and I just shaved.

Oh, and I was like, I thought it was light.

But that's actually good because then it will be tissue gate and no longer you look like an ump.

Yeah.

Well, I just, thanks for telling me, guys.

I didn't notice.

I honestly didn't notice.

I get lost in your blue eyes.

What was the question?

It was about Jalen Hurts.

So like him after that game, we were saying that he was probably telling his teammates, no one should treat this like a win.

Let's all go to work on Monday, even if coach was like going to give him off Monday.

Did you ever have a teammate that was like, hey, I know he said we don't have to come into work victory Monday, but we're going to do it.

And then did everybody secretly hate that guy for making everybody go to work?

Yeah, it's like the super tryhard guy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, in the locker room after the coach gives the speech about like, hey, great wins, wins are wins.

Proud of you guys.

You earned it.

Doesn't always have to be perfect.

We got a lot of work to do.

And then he's like, hold on, coach.

It's not about the coaches.

We got to be better.

The coaches are doing a great job.

They're putting it.

And everyone's looking around like, shut the fuck up.

Yeah.

Come on.

We won.

There's those guys.

Those guys exist.

I think certain guys on the team can get away with it because they obviously have the credibility.

Like when they say, hey, we're going to come in and we're going to watch film on our off day.

If it's Jalen Hurts,

if it's the right guy, like guys go, you're right.

Like we probably need to come in and get our shit shit tightened up and do it better.

I had no problems when those guys did it, like the guys that were just like really good and every day they battled their ass off and they were super hard workers.

Like those guys you'd respect and move on.

Everyone said when you knew it was the try hard guy and it was the guy that was just doing it because everyone was standing around, that's the guy when everyone would roll their eyes and be like, You just shut, you just go over there and relax.

We'll take care of this.

Yeah, yeah, that was the guy that got like really carried away with hazing.

Yeah, it's like, okay, yeah,

we know this guy's role.

Yeah, he was snapping towels in the high school locker room at the time.

I had a question for you about the Bills because we love the Bills, love Josh Allen.

They seem to be maybe the best team in the NFL right now.

Should we be looking at their wide receiver situation as a weakness, or should we be looking at as a strength?

The fact that they don't have like one guy that you count on to take over a game, they've got a few different guys that they spread it around to.

Which side of the optimism, pessimism coin should we be looking at?

I think it's a great question.

So

it's a really good question because I've actually asked that question to coaches.

See, this is where you guys are so good because you bring it back to production.

That was a great question by you when you asked that question to the coaches.

Yeah, great question.

But my only question was as good as because you asked a better question to team so

i asked matt lafleur this exact question i said so we had devontae adams when obviously in green bay and when you have a guy like devontae adams you'd be crazy not to find every way humanly possible to get him the ball and obviously he moves on and they have all these young wide receivers they're talented they're young they're unproven but you don't have that like clear cut number one so my that was my exact question to him is i've so i've asked that to lafleur i've asked it to kevin o'connell like how hard is it to get Justin Jefferson the ball but then you look at the other side of the coin with like a bills guy I think every coach would say yes I want Justin Jefferson yes I want Jamar Chase yes I want Devontae Adams and all these marquee guys everyone would take wants one of those guys they're easier it's easier said than done but there is an element especially for a quarterback where you don't have to worry about feeding one mouth.

You don't have to worry about that one guy not having a target till the third quarter and body language changes and there's passive aggressives.

And we've seen this play out on sidelines for as long as the NFL has been in existence.

That's real.

Like coaches feel it, coordinators feel it, quarterbacks feel it.

And then you can start pressing.

So I've always thought if you don't have like the marquee, marquee, marquee guy, like the dude, dude,

having a bunch of really good, solid, reliable, any guy at any moment could take the game over, make the big third down, make the big touchdown.

I actually think it's easier on everybody.

I don't want three number five receivers.

Like that doesn't help me.

But if I have like two number twos and like a really good role player, number three, like with Josh Allen as my quarterback is the obvious counterpoint, like if I have that, I'm feeling pretty good.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, and their offensive line is great.

So like take us in 2015, our best year that we had in 15, the year we went to the Super Bowl.

We didn't really have a number one receiver, right?

Like I was our leading receiver as a tight end, but like for Cam and for our offense, every game that we came in, like there was a game where Teddy Ginn would go bananas.

And then there were games, you know, we beat Seattle only because Jericho Cotri makes like a sick third and short grab to keep the drive in the two minute going.

And Philly Brown would pop off in the NFC championship and have a 75-yard touchdown.

And then I would have a big game.

And then the running, like, you never really had to say, if we don't throw him the ball, we're going to stink and he's going to lose his shit.

Like, we never had any of that.

Like, I think for a lot of quarterbacks, it's easier to play that way depending on the personalities in the room.

Yeah.

And it seems like the Bills, they've got good wide receivers.

And they're often.

I'm not saying that they don't have good wide receivers.

They do, but they don't have like the Stefan Diggs that they used to have.

I feel like he was that prime example of a guy that if you don't get him the ball, he might mentally check out a little bit.

Yeah, and there's a lot of them, it's a very common personality, and I don't mean it as a negative.

Like, these guys, these top-tier receivers, they are top-tier receivers for a reason.

Their mentality is, I'm the best dude on the field, you got to throw me the ball, get me involved, and that's all part of the deal.

Like, we all understood that, and we were happy that they were in our huddle.

Yeah, um, like that's the reality.

So if you can have just a deep, good, solid, but still talented core, but you don't have the elite Justin Jefferson type guy, we've seen it time and time again.

You can still be one of the best offenses in football and then you throw in the best player in football and Josh Allen is the one that has the ball in his hand on every play, spinning around.

It's more than good enough to win with.

And obviously the Bills have won a bazillion games.

Yeah.

What's the one team we're not talking enough about three weeks into the season so who i don't know tell me who you guys are talking a lot about tell me who like

chargers it feels like the chargers uh you could do good or bad chargers uh obviously very good uh

are we talking enough about the broncos are they actually in trouble uh something like that i don't know i mean chargers was the first one that popped in my mind i just didn't know if they have spent a lot of time i feel like now people talk more about the chargers not because of their record obviously they're good but like herber's playing out of his mind, and Harbaugh

brings a lot more attention and a lot more credibility and just gets a lot more eyeballs and attention.

So they were, they're like my first instinct when people say, All right, especially in the AFC, where it's like Buffalo, Baltimore, you know, all the Kansas, the Chiefs, like all the usual suspects.

But like this year does feel like the year that the Chargers enter, like, okay, are we now adding another top-tier team to the AFC that it's no longer Buffalo, Kansas City, and

Baltimore, Buffalo, and Kansas City as like the clear three-headed monster of the AFC.

Again, it's three weeks, but I feel like this is the year that the Chargers now enter that conversation.

I agree with that.

What about the Seahawks?

You called the Seahawks game week one.

Are the Seahawks good?

We're going to watch them on Thursday night football.

I think their defense is really good.

I don't know.

I don't fully know their offense yet because even that game against the Saints, like they didn't even need Sam Darnold was good, but it wasn't like he was in game pressure situations it was such an avalanche that they did on the saints yeah and and again i saw him in that week one against the 49ers i'll tell you a team that i have a lot of respect for is the 49ers yeah the fact that they're three and oh now do i think

listen mccaffrey being healthy he's mccaffrey he's sick you know they think they're gonna get purdy back they'll get iuk back at some point but like how many of these injuries can they weather yeah right now they lose bosa they've already been out with kittle and and and purdy for the last couple weeks hopefully kittle's back here soon.

So, if they can continue to find ways to win, they'll get back these guys with the exception of Bosa.

I think the fact that they're 3-0

is pretty remarkable.

Yeah, yeah, Mac Jones is doing a pretty good job.

I mean, it's pretty impressive that they've been able to keep that thing afloat.

Going into the season, they were banged up, and then they lose in week one, they lose Kittle, and then Purdy and Kittle don't play since.

And now, obviously, Bosa.

So, I think they're pretty impressive to ask about now.

They I saw saw them play Seattle and

they ended up pulling that game out.

There were times in that game where I was like, Seattle's for real.

Like this defense is talented.

They're good at all three levels.

They might not have like a superstar superstar.

Leonard Williams is probably a superstar on the defensive line, but they're just like really good at all three levels.

The Seahawks offensively that day, they were just okay.

I think they've played better in the last two weeks since I saw them last.

I like Sam.

I think he's a good fit with a Kubiak system that he's bringing in.

It's kind of very similar to what he did in Minnesota with Kevin O'Connell.

Is anybody a better quarterback coach than Kevin O'Connell?

It's hard to, I mean, like, maybe

McVay, yeah.

I mean, again, I'm not like McVay, sick, Shanahan.

I mean, there's a million good coaches, but yeah, what he has done with veteran quarterbacks

his last three in a row,

he got Kirk Cousins paid a bazillion dollars off of an injury.

Obviously, what he did last year with Sam.

And now, granted, it's a small sample size with Carson White, but like.

Can he do it with Desmond Ritter?

That's a big thing.

They signed him.

I think he's going to try to go for the moonshot and be like, watch this, guys.

Now he's just showing off.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's like a foster home for dogs, for older dogs.

Yeah.

And I will find this quarterback his forever home.

Yeah.

He's getting guys paid.

Greg, this has been awesome.

I got one last question for you.

It's a rowback question.

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What game are you on Sunday?

Orioles, Yankees, White Sox, Nationals?

What game are you doing Sunday?

I'm actually in Ireland.

Oh.

At 9.30 Eastern Central Cricket?

8.30 Central doing the Minnesota Vikings and the Pittsburgh Steelers from Dublin, Ireland.

Oh, boy.

Body clock issues.

Yeah, what's your travel schedule?

I know we make a big deal of that.

Are you flying out earlier in the week or flying out late?

Flying out Thursday.

I'm going to try to get on local time.

So I'm flying out Thursday.

I fly from Charlotte, gonna connect through Boston, through Boston, and then go direct Boston.

So I get in like Friday morning at 5 a.m.

Dublin, like local Dublin time.

I have no idea like how time zones work.

I'm horrible at it.

They might be like sit.

I hate to say this.

Every time I say six or seven, my kids look at me funny.

I have no idea how many hours ahead it is.

But I land 5 a.m.

local time.

I'm going to try to power through the day, get on local time.

And

I'm excited now.

I've never been there.

Have you guys ever been to Ireland?

I have.

It's incredible.

What do I got to do?

What should I do?

Drink a Guinness.

Drink a lot of beer.

The Guinness is better in Ireland.

Can I tell you guys something that is probably going to be bigger than Sport Coat Gate,

Umpire Gate, and all my other colors.

Tissue gate.

Tissue gate.

Tissue.

Yeah.

That's just, I don't know if that's a gate.

That's just bad friends not telling me.

Again, you have incredible blue eyes.

I don't know what you want me to do.

I'm staring at them.

Okay.

Thank you.

I'll take that.

And this is probably not going to go over.

I've never drank a Guinness in my life.

Okay.

So you got to have it.

You got to have it.

Got to have it.

It's good.

It's like a beer milk.

It's a lot of people.

He's telling me that I need to have one because it's so much better than American Guinness.

And I keep just saying, like, I don't even know what American Guinness tastes like.

So I feel like I got to have

it.

Here's my question.

Should I have an American Guinness before I go?

Yes, you should.

You should go to the store.

Or should I let my first ever Guinness be an original?

No, you should go into like a shitty bar.

And then if they have Guinness, be like, I'll have one Guinness, please.

That way you get a baseline for Guinness.

And then you go over to Ireland.

And then you can come back and be like, oh, it's so much better over Ireland.

Do that.

You don't even know.

Do that.

Yeah.

That's fair.

That's good advice.

You'll have a great time over there.

You should actually wear like, you should go full Irish dress in the booth, put on the scalli cap.

Yep, maybe like a nice wool vest over a plaid undershirt.

That'd be sick.

Yeah, really played up.

That'd be sick.

You'd look good.

I don't hate it.

By the way, we should mention

what I get made fun of by

the bars.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Which is pretty much the only reason to do it.

Yeah, right.

Let us let us have something to talk about.

By the way, you're wearing the hat right now.

You think it's your podcast?

I went on it.

It was so much fun.

Everyone should go listen to it.

Greg interviews different people talking about being a dad, a mom, kids playing sports.

It was really fun.

I enjoyed the hell out of it.

And I had like, I got bonus points.

People were like, my wife was like, oh, that was a good interview.

I was like, thanks.

Thank you for listening.

Awesome.

I can't thank you enough for coming on, dude.

Obviously, your audience and your personality and everyone loves you.

And it was a huge, it was a huge boost for us.

So as I texted you and as I've said to you a thousand times, I owe you and I appreciate you coming on, dude.

It was a huge.

You could pay me back.

You want to pay me back?

Yeah, what do I got to do?

Scally cap.

Sunday morning.

Scally?

Yeah.

How seriously do you take

a radio?

Yeah, just be a peaky blinder, huh?

Oh, just think about it.

Now you got my brain moving.

Yeah.

Just think about it.

Like, do I get into characters?

Okay.

Do with an Irish accent.

What you could do is you could also wear a kilt and nobody would know.

It'd be like

underneath the.

Is it kilt?

Scottish or Irish?

Scottish.

They do in Ireland too, though.

Yeah.

It's all the same thing.

can do, you can do that in Ireland.

Yeah,

got it, they've got regalia, bagpipes, play some bagpipes, yeah, that's Irish.

Or just do the do the job drunk, you can be drunk on the air in Ireland.

Yeah, I think it's managed.

Can I have a Guinness?

Um, yes, yeah, yeah, you should.

Yes, yes, those are that's a you're allowed in overseas.

The rules don't apply, right?

Yeah, exactly, it's acceptable, exactly.

Um, also, congrats on the you being back.

I was waiting, thank you.

You guys are really good.

Congrats to me as well, Yeah.

Weird schedule, though, for them.

They go bye-week, Florida State, bye week.

Yeah, that's good.

Rest the boys up.

Great for you.

I don't know, man.

I always worry like when a team's rolling, having too much, like, I'm good with a bye week before Florida State.

It just makes me nervous that they're going to have to go bye week and then get back rolling against Florida State.

All right, fine.

But then they got to go like bye week again.

And then I think they play like five ACC games in a row

to follow that second bye week.

So, I mean, they're awesome.

Mario Cristobal, I've known since I was a kid.

That's my guy.

Love him.

Text with him all the time.

I'm like super happy for him.

I just hope that we just make it to the college football playoffs.

I'm dying to go to a college football playoff game, and I've been waiting for Miami to make it.

I think you will.

I bet on the U to win the national championship.

I think that they can.

Oh, I think so too.

I might be wrong, but I feel like if there's one coach that's going to be able to handle bye week game bye it's probably mario cristobal yeah he's not he's not going to let them like take a break he's going to be in their face he's going to remind them he's the good guy to to steward that yeah i couldn't agree more yeah they're they're not going to be resting on their laurels very long yeah uh all right greg you're the best uh we love having you on we'll do it again later in the season good luck in ireland and uh let us know how that guinness goes I can't wait.

I'll have a full report back.

I'll talk to you guys when I get back.

Go ahead.

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Okay, we now welcome on very, very, very, very special guests.

It is the guys from Goose, the band.

We got them all here.

We got Rick, Peter, in studio.

We got Trevor and Cotter in the booth.

Oh, did you want to say something?

You You click it.

Have you guys just getting ready?

Yeah, have you guys?

Have you guys ever done a podcast?

All four of you?

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, you have?

I think so.

We don't do a lot of them, but for sure.

Yeah, because I was going to say, the flow, I don't think we've ever interviewed four people all at once.

Four guys at once?

Yeah, we've never done four guys at once.

I don't know if we can handle it.

One time.

Hope you guys stretched.

So, what's up, guys?

Good to see you.

You're in Chicago.

You're on tour.

How's the tour going?

Let's start with the easy question.

Good.

Good.

All right.

That was a good answer.

Good answer.

Good answer.

Like the family feud.

How much longer do you guys have on the road?

Two and a half weeks.

Oh, that's not bad.

Not bad.

Oh, bad.

Is there a show that has been like the standout show?

Like music from a musical point of view, has there been one that's like, we are just now starting to like get it together.

This sounds awesome.

We're at our peak right now.

Like on this tour?

On this tour, yeah.

I feel like there's been like one and a half shows on this tour so far.

Yeah.

Oh, pretty much.

Do you guys ever walk out of a show and like one of you is like, that was fucking awesome.

And then another guy's like, what are you talking about?

Like, I didn't feel it the same way.

It happened before.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Do you talk about it?

Because I read a story once that Trey, like, they made a rule

for Phish that they don't talk about the show right after the show.

And they just kind of like go in their own moment because they don't want to, if someone had a great show and someone didn't, they don't want to ruin that feeling.

Do you guys have something similar?

Or when you get off the stage, are you like, oh, we thought that was great or this needs work?

Do you analyze it right away?

There's no rules, you know, around it.

I think if the impetus is there to talk about it, then we do.

Yeah.

Or if we'll just go and play Super Smash Bros.

Yeah,

that works too.

Yeah.

How long does it take you guys to like come down from a show?

I would imagine you don't sleep right away.

No, it takes a bit.

A couple hours.

Yeah, a couple of hours.

Yeah.

What's the day-to-day like for you guys on a day where there's a show?

Well, it's it's pretty chill.

You know, you kind of have, you wake up, hopefully sleep in nicely, get some good sleep, and then just kind of have a few hours of the day and just do what you want.

We don't have a cream team, I'll tell you that.

Yeah, I wish we had that.

Well, no, you're lactose intolerant, and I was, I apologize to you, but then I have a coconut cream team.

Yeah, absolutely.

I was like, Peter was like, I can't have ice cream.

And then I was like, I'm sorry about what I'm about to say, but I don't believe in anything you say with lactose intolerance.

Why don't you prove Big Cat wrong?

I love that.

You gotta smell it to believe it.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

So when you say sleep in, like, how late are we talking about?

I don't know.

If you're lucky, you got to noon.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I woke up at 12:30 today.

There was a lot of, you know, I was up for a while earlier.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So you guys have a new album, Chain Your Dragon, that was released, what, like three weeks ago?

Awesome album.

I guess my question is, how are you guys able to make really good albums as a jam band?

Because that does,

it's not like you know, you can't do it, but you know, the Grateful Dead, they're not known for their albums.

Fish isn't known for their albums.

You guys are able to make really awesome albums and then also really awesome shows.

What, what is that?

How are you doing it?

Well, thank you.

It's kind of a loaded question.

But yeah, no, I mean that.

Like, I can't tell you how many times I've, I haven't, I don't just put on like Working Man's Dead or something.

Like, I put on a Grateful Dead show.

And for you guys, I do both.

Yeah, I mean, not trying to compare, but like, I, I think think we just generally like making albums going to the studio.

So it's just fun.

And, you know, we get to do that process.

It's like a kind of a blessing, you know?

Yeah.

Because we have to play a lot of shows, and then it's nice when you actually take the time to work on the songs.

And that's, you know, it's like the shows kind of just are always happening.

But when we get that time to go to the studio, it's really special.

Yeah.

How long did this album take you guys to make?

We banged that one out pretty quick, actually.

That was kind of part of the intention of it.

This is, you know, compared to other projects we've done, it was kind of like, all right, this stuff wants to be a band in the room, kind of just banging it out.

So for all intents and purposes, we knocked it out in like March of this year.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

So it is interesting when you guys are songwriting and you're thinking about writing something for the studio, do you also think about how that's going to translate into how you perform it live and the space that you're going to leave for yourselves to go on like the long improvisational runs inside of a song that might not have those in the studio?

It used to be more of an afterthought.

You know, the recording things in that way was kind of like an opportunity to leave that mentality behind and explore different aspects and approaches to things that we can't do live.

But oddly enough, now

maybe it's kind of where we are now.

I'm not sure what it is, but I'm finding myself thinking about that a lot more when we go to track something and just like, it's just more present of thinking about how it's going to happen live.

Yeah.

That's cool.

What about you guys in the booth?

How do you guys booth think about that?

yeah yeah chime in booth the booth concurs

yeah it's it's cool to like approach the record versions of songs in a way that's cool for the record and the live versions in a way that's cool for the live show yeah and like not we don't have to be a jam band in the studio we can just be a band and maybe do some things differently than we would live yeah and then live we're we're ripping the fucking crunchy jams that might be the answer to it right there because it is like like i said it's uh when you guys release an album, I mean, I've listened to Chain Your Dragon start to finish a few times, and I don't do that for other jam bands.

It's no knock on them, but it just, it doesn't translate as well studio to live show.

Yeah, and there's been times we've like, you know, gone to record songs that we've been playing live forever, and we'll go into the studio and kind of revamp them and look at them in a different way.

Yeah.

And that's always cool to do.

Do you guys have any songs that when you recorded them, you kind of fell away from them and you're like, yeah, not my favorite.

But then as you start to play them live, they almost get a second life.

And now you really enjoy performing the songs live that you don't necessarily look back on and say, that's a great studio track?

I don't think so.

I feel like maybe there's some fans that maybe feel that way, but I feel, yeah, generally not exactly.

Like, there's this trend of like, sometimes we put out a new single or new song or something and I don't want to play it.

Okay.

Kind of like, you know,

like, play a new record?

No, fuck that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know.

And then, and then eventually you come around and it's like, all right, yeah, let's do that.

How does the set list come together every night?

Do you guys, are you guys setting up, like, before you go out there, you're like, this is what we want to do tonight.

We want to change it up this way.

Because that is one of the best parts about a jam band, what you guys do is that every night's different, which probably is a little cumbersome just that, where you're like, we played that last night.

We can't play it tonight.

But how do you guys work, figure out what the show is going to be?

Yeah.

Various aspects of the equation.

Like, how does it start?

Do you say, Rick, do you like, hey, we're going to play this tonight?

Well, it's this kind of starts with the stats, I would say, you know, on some level, like doing the

stats

of what you've played.

Yeah, what we played where, when the last time we played, it was, stuff like that.

Put together a list.

That's nice.

And then we kind of go off of that list and, you know, create an order and kind of, you know, hone from there.

What stats are you looking at?

Like, if you see a song you haven't played in a while, then you're like, we have to play this one tonight?

Most of it's like regional stuff.

Like, you know, what we played last time in that city.

Yeah.

Okay.

oh, yeah, that's interesting.

Give them a show that they truly haven't seen before, try to shake it up, yeah.

And then, do you like stack some shows?

Are there some nights where you're like, Yeah, we're just gonna do this, and we're and people are gonna go nuts for this?

Like, you like, no, you just know, like, hey, we're gonna play

it, yeah, we need, yeah, we need to throw it down, yeah, we're gonna fight, like, night's gonna be the night, yeah, for sure.

That's pretty cool, but yeah, also, you know, you never know what night's gonna be the night in reality, because, like, you can you can stack a set list and go out there, and just it's not happening.

Right.

On the night when it's really the night, you know, like you, you could, it could be the worst, it could be all your worst shit, and it's going to still gonna go hard.

Okay, so off that question, I've always wondered this because what you guys do is very, very hard.

And Jam Bands like going out every night playing a different set list.

On a given tour, let's say there's 20 stops on a tour.

How many of those 20 are you like, holy shit, that was like 10 out of 10 we were in the zone?

It ranges from tour tour to tour, for sure.

Yeah, it's, you know, I think there's, there's like

some tours, you know, thinking about it in like the grander thing, you know, perspective is kind of interesting.

You know, some tours, you're just like deep more in the pocket than others, you know?

Yeah.

Yeah.

But can you guys feel when you hit the zone, like on stage, you're like, oh, this is how quickly into a show are you like, yep, this is going to be one of those nights?

Yeah, sometimes it's right out of the gate.

Sometimes you're like out of the gate, at least personally, speaking, I can only speak for myself but like you're you know you get in there and it's like oh yeah we're good hose is active here and then

you know by the end of first set or into the second set it's gone like you know you lose it or sometimes it's the other way around starts off rough and you find it second set whatever you know it's there's no it's it's all of it it's got to be an incredible feeling when you do find it i would imagine and the i mean the crowd like being going to a bunch of you know fish and and dead concerts in my life like when you do feel like they are locked in it's like there's nothing better better.

It's, I would imagine that you have that

feels definitely feels good for sure.

It's like

the crowd energy plays a big role, too, especially in the jam band scene.

Yeah, it's like

kind of an intangible thing, but sometimes I feel like if the crowd's bringing the energy right off the bat, it kind of fires us up and we're all in it together.

Yeah.

Have you guys ever compared peaking?

Like, does your peaking feel different from your peaking?

And the best is when we all peak at the same time.

Yeah, would you rather,

but isn't that the ideal situation?

It's like we all peaked during the second set, you know, like eight songs in.

We all shared that moment together.

Isn't that nice?

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's the goal.

It definitely is.

Yeah.

It definitely varies a lot.

I think everyone's perspective, you know, is so dependent on like how much ice cream you had that day.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Wait, so talking about the crowds, when you guys started out, I would like, imagine, you know, you're playing to smaller crowds.

That has to be difficult.

Was there a moment along the way where where it like started clicking and the crowds started

knowing the songs, or the crowds started being more reactive?

And you're like, okay, this is actually going to work.

This is definitely at the King's Rook in Erie, Pennsylvania.

Yeah,

that's where it all happened.

We just, yeah, we played a lot of really bad shows.

But so, was there a moment, though, where it like kind of flipped?

Where

when whatever year it was, you're like oh shit yeah there was like a moment in 2018 when it was yeah we we we drove out we had like a tour in early 2018 um and we it was out to colorado and back basically and and on the way to colorado and on the way back from colorado we played in covington kentucky and um we really like you know this it's kind of like the first taste of the fire we got this kid this one kid like saw we were on the on the schedule for this club the octave in covington kentucky and uh

checked out our album and dug it and passed it around to his, he had this like group of friends.

They called themselves Flavor Town.

Okay.

And they were just rowdy, like, you know,

it's basically Cincinnati, Ohio.

They're just like rowdy, you know, group of friends.

They're great, great people.

Loved music.

Yep.

And passed the record around.

So they like learned the songs.

We went and played this show at this club and thought it was going to be a shit show, just like all of

the gigs we did at that time.

And

this crew was only maybe 10, 15 of them, but they like knew some of the songs they were singing along.

They were just throwing down, bringing a ton of energy.

And we're like, oh my God, this is great.

And then, so we went back like two or three weeks later after the Colorado run, and you know, I guess word spread or something.

And that was kind of like the first, I don't know, a couple hundred people there, maybe.

Yeah, a lot more people came out.

And then we, we went back like three months later and did a two-night run that was just totally packed.

That's awesome.

Shout out to Kellington, Kentucky.

Yeah, man.

That's original music.

That's kind of where the fire started.

First on board.

Were you guys in the van, living the van life at that time?

Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.

Was that what was the first vehicle that you guys took on tour?

Do you remember it?

I mean, like a 4D 350.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Van life, I kind of miss van life.

We used to have

two vans.

We were like, guys, our vans.

Hell yeah.

We miss.

We would love to do like van life again.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Period of time.

It's fun.

You bond a little bit.

You go through the shared

the bad experiences actually end up being some of the most fun experiences that you have out on the road.

Come up with a lot of stupid ideas that are

just the hours sitting together and like coming up with dumb shit yeah shared experiences yeah we've i like we're not you know uh accomplished music musicians like you guys but the podcast like we used to travels like just four of us in a shitty uh van and now we have like an rv and a whole staff that goes with us and it definitely changes it a little bit definitely yeah Trevor got a CV radio installed in the van at one point.

Oh, hell yes.

And we put out a one-hour compilation of CV radio moments that we recorded on the road.

That's a little radical.

We called it Nightshade.

Yeah, talking to truckers and shit.

Yeah.

Did you learn the lingo?

What was your handle?

It was Nightshade.

Nightshade.

It was just really requesting a lot of radio checks.

It's like Nightshade requesting a radio check.

I think the antenna was kind of fucked up, so we didn't really, you know.

We got everything.

We got a couple bites.

DJ quack, quack.

DJ quack, quack, quack.

That was coming like kind of near Chicago, I think.

Yeah, yeah.

We're out there.

We know you.

I love us.

I have some of Whatever that guy was having.

Is there a venue or a city that you guys really want to play at that you haven't played yet?

Sphere, I told you you guys got

sphere would be something cool.

Close enough sphere.

I don't know.

I just like playing outside in like a field, you know?

Yeah.

You know, we were just at the gorge.

Oh, Washington, and that was, that's definitely my new favorite venue.

Do you like outdoor concerts more than indoor?

I like arenas too.

I mean, you know, good theater.

They're all cool.

They all have their different challenges and and you know aspects of why they're dope yeah i mean a hockey arena is pretty like a like a you know kind of run-down hockey arena yeah

yeah that's that is awesome what do you guys this might be a tough question but uh jam band fans there's a lot of gatekeeping have you guys do you guys consciously think about like there's a lot of well goose isn't fish and fish isn't dead and like you know oh they want to be fish and like do you guys do you did not even pay attention to that i think it's the lamest thing ever but it does happen i mean it's like the same as like sports fans.

Yeah.

They get really passionate about their team and they're like, the rest of these teams suck.

Right.

But it's like, you know, at the end of the day, they just love the sport.

So some people are cool about it because they just love music.

And some people are like, my team's the best and the other ones suck balls.

But it's like, but all the teams are really good.

Like, that's the part.

Like, I always laughed when like, like a fish fan would be like, oh, I wouldn't ever listen to the dead.

And it's like, what?

Why?

Like, Trey loved the dead.

Yeah.

You guys, I assume, loved the fish.

So it's like all these things link to each other.

And it's cool that it keeps going.

And there's like this line that you can chart.

It's silly, but I feel like it's just, it shows how passionate the fans become, especially because there's like stats, like people have these special moments with jam bands where they're like, I got my song

after going on this crazy journey in my van across the country.

And so it's become such a personal thing.

Like they, they wear the colors of their favorite band.

Yeah.

So it's just because they're more passionate than your average music fan, I think.

Yeah.

I think if you have people that are like that, it is a sign that the genre as a whole is doing pretty well.

Yeah.

Yeah.

If you get that fired up about it.

Yeah, for sure.

So what would be,

if you're not a fan of that genre in general, what would be the gateway drug for people to get into goose?

If there's somebody out there that's listening that hasn't listened to your music yet, just like they're a fan of pop music, what would be that gateway drug for you guys?

That's a good question.

That's probably you guys.

I was going to recall that

it does.

I can answer it because I, so I obviously knew about you guys for a long time, but it didn't.

I always think with jam bands, it like you can't force it.

It either clicks or it doesn't.

And like, so dead clicked for me when I was 13 years old.

Fish was a little bit later.

And then you guys, like, I would listen to some stuff.

I remember the first one I listened to was you guys doing

The Way It Is with Bruce Hornsby.

Awesome.

Hell yeah.

awesome version and then like probably four or five months ago it finally clicked with you guys and it was it was uh arcadia with arcadia hunger sight with tray and then it was hot tea and that was like and i was like oh fuck i get it i get it now like i get how awesome these guys are so i think that's kind of how it works with jambits maybe i'm not wrong but it's like you hear one song live and you're just like yep now it all makes sense and then it just you just dive into everything i would i would guess it's it's different for everyone you know it could be like a you know different songs for any person.

It's just, you never know when those moments hit you.

They come to a show and someone walks out and be like, that sucked.

You know, nothing spoke to me.

I'm just like, all right.

And then, you know, someone, the first half sucks, and then something happens.

We play some song and for whatever reason, that moment, they're just like, oh.

And then, you know, you get a bug and

that moment.

Yeah.

And then you get curious and dig deeper and are more open

at that point.

Do you guys have that song for Fish or Dead that it was like, oh, that's it?

I feel like I, when I first started started listening to fish when i was like 14 i was like this sucks yeah and then i my buddy brought me to a show and i was like holy shit this experience it was at fenway my first fish show and i had been there to see the socks a bunch as a kid and going there and seeing that scene i was like this is a wild time all these people are crazy selling drugs and sandwiches and stuff and it just flawless yeah it like the i don't know like the adventure and the the like freak scene of it all just really appealed to me and then I immediately started liking their songs more just because I had a blast at the show you know yeah yeah for sure do you guys have one that you like it was like oh yeah that that clicks now it wasn't it wasn't one thing it was like

it was friends older brothers that were yeah talking about it and it was like okay check that out and I got a live one and spun that on repeat and kind of you know I feel like things that have been the most impactful musically speaking for me are things that need to like decode over time Yeah.

Like that, it took a minute for that to seep in, but it wasn't like, I didn't dislike it out of the gate, but it was kind of like, whoa,

this is a whole new world.

There's a lot going on here.

And it took a minute.

And there were definitely moments when there were like these

clicking moments of

understanding the scope of what was going on there in various ways.

But it was also DVDs.

I got a bunch of DVDs

at that time.

Bittersweet Motel.

For sure.

And then the It Festival.

I was there.

Admittedly,

I just love that era.

Yeah.

And I was like a little getting close to the rails, but

I love the way they were playing.

It is like the jam bands are a little intimidating to get into it the beginning just because it's so deep and there's so many shows and we and like it's almost like trying to figure out a way to get into like an inside joke and you're just like how do i figure this all out a new language yeah right you like need a guide right a shaman that's takes you along the way.

Right.

I mean, that's like such a valid thing.

I mean, talking about the dead, I think, like

going over a friend's house and pulling some bongs and then him being like this and playing it and be like, whoa, you know, and having those moments, that's the stuff that speaks to you.

Yeah.

The most.

The beauty of it,

whenever anyone asks me, like, what's your favorite dead song?

I'm like, dude, it literally like changes every month because I'll hear a song from a show from 40 years ago and be like, whoa, okay.

I didn't hear them ever do it this way.

And now, like, I'll listen to that.

And so, that's the cool part where it's like, I don't even know what my favorite song is week to week because it changes because it's like an ocean that you can just keep exploring.

So, very much that's cool.

Yeah.

When you guys play a show, how quickly do you try to get that show mixed and put up so that people can listen to it at home?

Almost like 30 minutes after.

That fast?

Ideally.

So,

you finish playing the show, and then who mixes it afterwards?

Well, it's being mixed while we play.

Right.

So, we've got like a live stream going on for pretty much every show we do,

and that's going on nugs.net.

And it's like you can watch the video, and then somebody's mixing the audio in real time.

And then, right after the show, it's just like cut up the audio and upload it.

Yeah.

That's kind of the flow.

Yeah, that's pretty cool for your fans.

When did you guys start doing that as opposed to like recording and then putting them up later?

It took some time.

In 2018, we were kind of more selective about it because no one knew who we were or gave a shit about what we were doing.

So we were kind of like trying to just, you know, put out a bunch of stuff and

build a catalog on the internet and build like a presence and kind of our own little world there.

But we were definitely more selective about it in the beginning.

And then at a certain point, it just became everything.

Yeah.

Once we had like, you know, consistent recordings, I think that was kind of like a big.

turning point.

Yeah.

For 2018, we were mostly just like, oh, do you guys have this type of mix board we can record on?

Okay, great.

We will.

Otherwise, too bad, you know?

When did we start rolling with our own?

It was like 2019, right at the beginning of the year.

Yeah, January.

We like, yeah, we built our own rack system where we were running our own monitors and be able to record, you know, everything at that point

consistently.

That was a huge turning point for us.

Yeah.

Do you guys have a moment where it became a thing that you knew that you could be successful at, like make a living at?

This is my career.

I'm going to be in this band and we're going to do well.

You kind of like, when you're going for it, you have to be naive enough to

think that it could work, that it can happen, you know.

But in retrospect, you don't realize how naive you are going for it, you know, just being like, yeah, this is obviously this is

what we're doing, you know?

Yeah.

We're going to go for it.

And then, and then, you know, like the long, you know, you go and

we were fortunate enough for it to work and to, you know, really so grateful for everything that it's, I mean, it's, it's on real honestly um but

yeah just like looking back is like wow we didn't we had no idea yeah we were getting ourselves into or like what how how much work it would really would take you know i think you know that was like early 20s i was like yeah get a band together play like a couple festival sets we'll be good like that's it it's over you know it's like no

many

years of grind yeah until you're like 15 years later like all right people talk about a big break but there's not there's usually not a big break there's usually like a slow steady build yeah that you're committed to and then doing it the hard way that's how you make sure that you have a long career if there is a band that has or an artist that has a big break it's like very easy for that person to fall off yeah because they don't have that groundwork that they've already built up to

make one hit sustainable yeah and you got jam bands by nature like you're not going to have a one-hit wonder that played on you know the radio so it's going to be a slower grind have you guys thought about uh like how far away you are from taking like a five-year hiatus and then coming back and being

ever Probably pretty far.

Yeah, okay, good, good, good.

Because everyone's got to do it, right?

Like, you guys got to break up for a few years and you come back, and everyone's like, holy shit, they're better than ever.

They found their love for it again.

All right, so we're far away from that moment.

Yeah, definitely.

Okay, good.

Yeah, I think so.

Okay, all right.

I'm pretty sure.

It's going to happen.

Whoever wants to come on the podcast when that happens to tell your side of why you broke up.

Oh, God.

You want to be the first

one behind the music.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, but then again, remember, you're going to come back better than ever.

Yeah, the comeback for us.

Yeah, I mean, Fish is like that.

They took a long time off where everyone's like, is this over forever?

And then now they're better than ever.

Yeah.

Let's have the conversation.

What's your favorite?

No, no, let's stop.

No, they are awesome again, but yeah, they're amazing.

I've seen them a ton.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Nothing will ever beat that Fenway show, though.

I mean, the Fenway show was one of their first shows back for 3.0 in 09.

So I've only seen the latest rendition of Fish.

I didn't see them in the 90s.

Do you think they were better in the 90s?

I love the 90s sounds.

A little more visceral, crazy.

They're more put together now.

Someone said they're more like storytellers now, and they're less like, they don't have that aggressive, youthful energy.

Yeah.

But it's all great.

What was it like when you guys had Trey play with you?

Like that was, I mean, that's, he's done it a couple times, right?

But the, the 20, was it 2022 in New York?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like the tour.

I mean, Radio City, especially, was really special.

And that just kind of came out of nowhere.

And like, that had to have been, I mean, it's not like he's knighting you guys, but that does feel like a big moment for the band, I would assume.

It's wild.

Definitely.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Super special.

He's such like a kind, gracious, humble guy that when you hang out with him and you don't, it's easy to forget how surreal that is.

And then there's moments where you're like, wait, this is, how is this happening?

Yeah.

How did that come together?

I mean, I don't even know.

The Radio City thing?

Yeah, I honestly can't remember.

I feel like he reached out.

Do you remember?

Yeah, I mean,

yeah, we talked about it.

We talked about a time with management.

Yeah.

Trying to make something happen.

We knew he was a fan and listening to music and watching the streams.

Yeah.

It wasn't like planned months in their bands.

It was kind of like spur of the moment.

He's going to be

a time.

Like, let's do it.

None of that was on a microphone, but it was a cool story.

No, basically the answer was that it was he, you guys knew he was a fan, and it was kind of spur of the moment.

Like,

here we go.

He was local.

Yeah.

Did you know he was going to stick around on that tour?

Oh,

we eventually planned the tour

for later that year.

He was just like, you mind if I just keep sitting in?

Yeah, yeah.

No, that night.

Yeah, that night it was kind of like we had planned, talked about two songs or something.

Yeah.

Like, you want to just stay?

Yeah, you want to just stay?

He was like,

sure.

I was like, like all right great yeah he's gonna stay that's funny

it was amazing that's incredible and then yeah the tour was i mean

i think his they did a tour with santana earlier early in their career and um you know santana kind of took them took him under his wing and took them under his wing and um that was a that was a really special experience for him i think and um he i think he wanted to pay that forward which is you know, says a lot about who he is.

Yeah.

And, you know, also revisiting a lot of old, like, run-down hockey arenas, which was really sick.

Yeah, that should be a lot of fun for him.

Yeah, was it a little intimidating?

Be like, we're playing with Trey, just a little.

Yeah.

Did they make you better?

What?

Did they make you better?

Knowing that, like, hey, Trey's here.

I gotta, I gotta bring it.

Yeah, I mean, it's, I don't know, I, I, it's like one of those things I try not to, in the moment, try not to think about it too much because then they'll just get deeper down the like,

you know, imposter syndrome of it all, whatever.

But it's, it was, it's just like you just gotta, you just gotta go show up and you know do it yeah did you ever catch yourself like asking Trey like was that good like did you like that

was that song good for you too

please tell me yeah that was good that was good

he imparted a lot of a lot of he had a lot of cool things to to impart on us throughout that tour for sure what uh so what live show would you tell people to listen to if they were trying to go?

I'm sure you guys all have different answers, but let's give the audience a live show they can pull up.

Because that is also fun of like part of being a fan of a Jambin is like everyone has their favorite show, everyone has their favorite moment.

So, what would you guys say your personal is so that you can tell people to go listen to it?

Of ours, yeah.

I mean, I would tell people to go watch the video on YouTube of our show at MSG that we just played in June.

Okay,

all right, that checks out.

I agree with that.

You guys can't all answer that.

You got to give four different answers.

The one that always sticks out to me is Philly last year, The Man.

Okay.

I mean, that was my first tour with the band, and I had seen Fish at that venue.

I think it was the first venue we played where I had seen Fish there.

And I feel like,

like, first set, I was just a little nervous.

Second set, we came out.

And we were ripping.

I think we played two songs in the second set.

Really?

And I like the long jams.

It's like three.

What's the longest song you guys have ever played?

I think it's like 40, something 40-something minutes.

That's a really fucking long song.

Yeah.

All right.

So, yeah, that was 628, 2024.

You can go find it.

Yeah, that's good.

Yeah.

628.

And then.

And 628, 2025.

Wow.

Oh.

Interesting.

The garden.

Oh.

So there's something about that date.

Something about that date.

Make sure you see these things.

Grab your tickets for next year.

610 This is 628.

628.

When you guys get off the road,

how in touch with each other are you?

Are you guys living close to each other?

Do you take some time off?

Because that's always an interesting part of the band.

You're together so intense.

And then when you decompress, are you guys hanging out or are you just like, we need a break?

We're not super local.

Peter's in Brooklyn.

Trev and I are in Connecticut.

Cotter's in Burlington.

Okay.

So, but, I mean, we're together a lot.

We're doing stuff a lot.

Yeah.

I think

there's not a lot of downtime.

Yeah.

Yeah.

When it comes to a song that you guys start to cover,

who typically brings that to the table?

Like, hey, I think we should do this song.

Is that anybody?

I feel like it's usually Rick.

That's it can be anyone.

Yeah, but it could be anybody.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So has there been a song that's been suggested where it's like, hey, we should try to work on this one.

And you guys are like, I have no idea what we're going to do with that song.

And it really came together, and it's like one that you're very proud of now?

Um,

there's a lot of, I mean, usually when you do a cover, it's because you like it, yeah, right?

For one reason or another, there's like there's different ways into things, I think, we find there's different kind of categories or veins, you could say, of, of, of covers we do, um, but a lot of it's just kind of you know, random, like we, we ended the show, we've we've done it before, the what's up for non-blondes, yeah.

Um, we ended the show with it last night with the Mount Joy guys, and you know, the day prior, like we, like I said, we'd done it before, but the day prior, we were walking through the airport and it was on in the airport, and was like, oh, yeah, that could, that would, that would be a nice way to end it, right?

It might be the best sing-along song ever, too.

It's, yeah, it's like stuff like that, you know, it was at like a like a club once, and, you know, Kylie Minogue came on.

It was like, la, la, yeah.

I was like, oh my God, this song is hot.

Get you out of my.

It sounds a little like Herd It Through the Grapevine a little bit.

Yeah.

Get you out of there.

Yeah.

So it's just, you know, moments like the same kind of thing I was talking about before with the, with the like listen, you know, being shown dead songs with your buddy or whatever.

It's it's personal experience and having like your own emotional connection to certain things and then finding a way into it and

a way that you can make it your own and and and put your own voice on it, you know?

Yeah, when you're listening to new music, do you do you find yourself listening to bands that are similar to you, or do you find yourself branching out and exploring something else?

Oh, I mean, that's different for all of us,

I'd assume.

You know,

I've listened to, for a long time, I've been into just like modern,

a lot more modern music.

When I was younger, I'd listened to a lot of older stuff, you know, old jazz, and obviously the Fish and Dead thing was huge.

And

like a lot of old jazz and Otis Redding and Nina Simone and, you know, Wes Montgomery, just a ton of different like older things.

And then at a certain point, started listening to, you know, it started with Fleet Foxes.

But I just kind of realizing there's this really trend-supportive

modern songwriting, you know, production stuff going on that I've that I got kind of taken with and I've just been super into that.

What about the guys in the booth?

You know, I kind of grew up listening to metal, which is kind of a different, you know, vein and all this.

But yeah, I try to listen to like all sorts of stuff, like metal, electronic music.

I've been really digging this band Men I Trust currently.

They're super dope.

But yeah, in terms of like stuff that's similar to us, for sure, and then stuff all over the map as well.

I was a big Zappa guy and still am.

Yeah.

And

I think that kind of fueled my love for fish, too.

Yeah.

But

now I'm way more open.

Like as I've gotten older, I've become less of a snob

and more just trying to find good music, less judgmental.

Usually it goes the other way around.

Yeah, I don't know.

Like, I feel like I found these things where I feel like I earned being a fan.

Like Sam,

like I had to put the time in to

really understand what was going on because it's insane.

And now I just like, I'm down with whatever.

And I think it's dumb to judge music

other than whether you think it's good or bad.

And that's your opinion on it and whatever.

Yeah.

But like, there's a lot of great music in all kinds of genres.

I mean, I'm like obsessed with Julian Lodge lately, who's like a modern jazz guy, which is pretty rare.

You know, he's a young, like really expressive jazz player.

And this dude Blake Mills, I've been all about lately.

But yeah, pretty much whatever.

I'm always looking for suggestions.

I like that.

What about you, Peter?

I'm having a pretty good fall because a couple of my favorite bands are just doing albums right now.

So Parcels just put out an album, which is great.

Love them.

Tame and Paula's got a new album coming out.

So singles have been great.

Heim put out a new album.

That was like this past summer.

I love them.

So, yeah, like Mac DeMarco put out a new album.

So, like, a lot of my favorite artists are kind of just like putting out music right now, which is great.

Do you guys feel like this genre of music is AI-proof?

Good question.

It's a tough one.

It's a tough question.

Who knows where that's

going?

The scope of where that's headed is.

I don't know if anyone's really unknown.

It's crazy.

I've been in the For You playlist that Spotify puts out, they've been giving me some bands that I've confirmed are AI and 100% built for my algorithm.

Whoa, that's wild.

And I liked some of the songs, and it's scary because it's like, oh shit, they know exactly how to hit those parts of your brain.

But I do feel like with the longer, more jam-oriented stuff, the more complicated stuff, it's going to be harder for a robot to synthesize that.

But maybe that's just for I mean,

a robot can definitely lay down some jams.

But a robot, an AI can never play a sick live show.

I hope.

You're daring it.

Say that now.

You know what?

I'll take that back.

This is not a challenge.

We're AI-proof because we just get so many things wrong.

Yeah.

We're never going to get the amount of things wrong that we get wrong.

Yeah.

We should make more mistakes.

Yeah, right.

You got to fuck up.

Right.

Your best, your worst shows are actually.

Yeah, it's proof that you're human.

Exactly.

So you should actually love the bad shows.

Yeah, for sure.

Be like, oh, thank God we we up that one yeah

it's real man robots can't get us all right i got uh this has been awesome guys i got one last question roback question r-h-o-b-ac-c-k.com promo code take 20 off your first purchase q-zips polos hoodies joggers shorts roback.com promo code take uh tires

you're in it yeah

that was pretty cool

yeah what how did that happen because we are our we're friends with shane we're also like francis who works with us feidelberg who works with us they were in it as well it seems like the funnest, like Shane just gets all his friends to just be in it.

So, how did that happen?

There was,

get off, get off mic with this.

There's a friend of ours who is a big, big dead fan and got into us from, we were going down to doing the Mexico thing and became close with him.

And he, he works in the industry and kind of connected me with some people and

kind of came in that way.

Yeah.

More acting in the future?

Maybe.

Yeah, we'll see.

Kind of want to make some records right now.

Yeah, that's fair.

But yeah, I'm down.

I had such a blast.

Those guys are amazing.

Yeah.

So funny.

Very funny.

All right.

Well, thank you boys for coming by.

This has been awesome.

Thanks for having us.

We're all very pumped to have you.

Thank you.

And I did invite you guys to, if you wanted to watch NFL Sunday with us, but I didn't really get any response from that.

But you guys are welcome.

I was pretty deep in the ice cream at the time.

Yeah, you're welcome to come back.

If you're in Chicago for a few days, you're welcome to come back.

Appreciate it.

We do the gauntlet too on Monday if you wanted to.

And more ice cream.

Hell yeah.

Peter, if you come back, I'll get you some of the whatever.

You don't even know.

What do you do?

You just don't eat ice cream?

No, man.

Some of the best ice cream is dairy-free.

That's so not true.

Listen, man, boy.

You might be the first one.

You don't even know, dude.

You might be the first

rock star that I wouldn't want to trade lives with.

No, thank you.

Oh, man.

You're missing out.

I'm telling you right now.

I'll say, though, actually, he used to make, like, we lived together a few years ago, and he used to make dessert salad.

He had this massive bowl.

I think we even gave him this bowl for his birthdays.

Yeah, he was a giant bowl.

And he would just fill it with like a pint of like Ben and Jerry's non-dairy and then just put a bunch of shit on top of it.

I know how to dessert, man.

But you get it.

You have it easy for a lactose-intolerant guy.

Like, imagine being lactose-intolerant in the 70s.

Sure, nothing.

I mean, even when I became lactose-intolerant, intolerant, there was like, there was Arctic Zero, and that was it.

Yeah.

Tasted like shit.

I did all kinds of stuff.

Wait, you became lactose intolerant?

Yeah, when I was 18.

That proves that it's not real.

You don't just choose to not like ice cream anymore.

I think you just

decide.

You just don't like taking a shit.

Yeah.

That's what it is.

Like, we all do it.

It doesn't feel good after you eat ice cream.

Do you think, like, when I eat five ice cream cones on a Sunday, yes, I have diarrhea.

Does that make me lactose intolerant?

Not at all.

No, that makes me a fat fuck who can't stop himself from eating ice cream.

He's a human.

Hell yeah.

All right.

Thanks, boys.

Thanks, man.

Thanks for having us.

Thanks, fellas.

Appreciate it.

Okay, before we get to part in your take, I wanted to talk to you about my favorite treat out there.

It's Reese's with this perfect combination of chocolate and peanut butter.

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You can find Reese's peanut butter cups basically anywhere.

And look at this.

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Oh, man.

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The big cup.

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I probably eat one of these, two of these a day.

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Okay, boys, let's wrap up the show.

Great show.

Pardon your take.

Do you think, how many people do you think were listening and

they're going to correct us on the Russell Wilson thing, and then they're going to get to the breaking moose?

Good amount.

Yeah, fair amount.

Listen,

you got to stay loose.

You got to stay.

We're always moving.

We're always flexible.

We're like water.

What do you think Russie's going to do now?

Are they going to make him third string or are they going to make him back up?

I think they've got to make him third string because you're basically saying he stinks.

They said back up.

Okay.

Backup, so this is just Jameis Winston erasure.

Yeah, this is bullshit.

And I said you got to make him third string mostly because I'm biased and I want Jameis to be.

Yeah, this is bullshit, though.

Still.

All right, pardon your takes.

I'm going to hammer Scatterboat this weekend.

If your groomsman whispered to you on the altar at your wedding that the Mavs traded Luca, how would you react?

Parentheses, hypothetically, if you were a Mavs fan.

Oof.

That would be tough.

Yeah.

I'd need a second to collect myself.

That's a bad groomsman.

I think you got to save that for after the vows are said.

You can't drop a bomb in his ear right before.

Yeah, although if you wait until afterwards, then you kind of ruin the whole vibe of how excited he already is.

If you're the groom, what you got to do is you have to let the emotions flow, but then tell everybody it's because you're so emotional about getting married, and that's why you're crying.

Max, are we going to be groomsmen for you?

You guys aren't going to come to my wedding.

I know.

Yeah, we are.

You're not going to come.

That would be sick if we were just the five of us were the groomsmen.

Yeah.

Oh, brothers, just don't get it.

When the preacher says, speak now or forever hold your peace, I'm going to be like,

are A.J.

Brown and Jalen Hurts okay?

I've been a groomsman at a bunch of weddings.

My favorite thing to do right before you go out is just be like, dude, say the word.

We'll get the fuck out of here right now.

Like,

I won't judge you.

We'll get in a car.

We'll get the fuck out of here.

We can just pretend none of this happened.

Has anyone taken you up on it?

No, but it does lighten the mood.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's good.

Ha ha.

No, I actually want to go through with this.

I don't know what I would do if someone took me up on it.

Like, wait, I was just kidding, man.

Fuck.

We got to do this.

What are you talking about?

We can't leave.

So yeah, you can call my bluff, Max.

We're a Grimsman.

I think

you got to keep that to yourself.

I'm offended that you don't think we're going to.

I mean, is it going to be a football weekend?

Nope.

We'll be there.

You got to keep it to yourself if Luca is like in the moment.

Make us croomsman.

It's travel, though.

I thought your wedding was going to be in the office.

Shit.

Well, it's going to be, we'll have a conversation because it's like an all-or-nothing thing.

We can't, some of us can't

skip.

We could skip.

You want to skip?

depends where it is okay it's a i'm leaning towards i'm leaning towards the caribbean the caribbean i'm in oh no no we have to go you would love to pick some jewel and beat news to max oh

wouldn't you yeah yeah

okay

hey guys what is the biggest what if in sports that would have changed the entire landscape of what we know today for me it's the bledsoe injury without brady payton dominates and becomes the goat he becomes part owner of the raiders and broadcast for fox he sits in the booth with the headset and hank thinks it's weird.

Wait, he would be Tom Brady.

Yeah, Peyton still would have been Peyton.

He's saying he would have been the GOAT.

Oh.

I thought you were saying that Drew Bledsoe would have done all the things that Tom Brady did.

No, he just said without Brady, Peyton dominates.

Peyton dominates.

So what was the beginning of the question?

What's the biggest what if in sports?

We can go the injury route.

What if LeBron never took

the Ray Allen Allen 3.

Derek Rose injury.

Yeah, RG 3 injury.

Kendrick Perkins' injury.

Belichick.

Jets.

Oh, yeah.

That's a good one.

That's a really good one.

What if the Browns had kept Belichick?

And Saban.

Yeah, if Sabin kept Sabin?

No, if the Browns had kept

Belichick and the Britain and Sabin coached the Ravens.

Yeah, they would have been the Ravens at the same time.

Yeah.

Good what-ifs.

Carson Wentz never got hurt.

Well, speaking of Carson Wentz, good good segue.

My name is Michael, and here's my take.

Carson Wentz is at the top of Mount Rushmore of edging.

As a Colts fan, he edged me for an entire season, and he's done it to multiple fan bases.

Is Carson Wentz the G-E-O-A-T?

Greatest edger of all time?

Did you feel edged?

I never felt edged.

I never felt edged.

Not once.

I never even came close to being edged.

You believed in him for a little bit.

I'm going to have to do some digging.

You definitely got edged.

I think there's enough evidence out when Schefter teased, Schefter edged me with the Carson Wentz news.

And he teased me with, oh, the Commanders might sign Carson Wentz.

And I was angry at him for that.

So I was never.

And then when we actually got him, then I flipped out because I didn't want him.

And then, of course, like every sports fan,

you have to lie to yourself and convince yourself of something.

Get worked up about it because, hey, what if Carson Wentz makes me come?

And never even got close

I faked it I faked being edged by him he is he is an edger though but I don't know I don't know if he still has it the edge like

I guess we'd have to ask the Vikings fan

by

see yeah he's a big shotgun guy right he's shoots a lot of skeet he might be an edger yeah

all right last one what's up fellas big fan to solve disputes about controversial calls every ref in the major sports wears helmet slash hack hams in the event of a close controversial call The first replay of the show is full-speed officials' point of view.

That way, we can at least see what they saw to make a call or a non-call.

It's like the axon body cams.

Yeah, I don't know if this changes anything because don't we have better views?

Yeah, we have better views.

And none of the ump cams really work.

They're all jiggly.

And

when they show a POV review, it makes me more confused about what happened in the first place.

It actually does a good job of being ref propaganda.

Yeah, which is the best way to do that.

Well, that's what the cut.

Oh, just to make refs feel better?

So you don't get mad at the refs.

Oh, no.

Fuck that.

No, no.

I want to get mad at the refs.

There you go.

You got to get mad at the refs.

Yeah.

What's the whole point of refs is to get mad, right?

Yeah, and umpires, like Griggles.

Yeah.

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Ah, good call.

Good call on that number.

Really good call.

That was a nice slide.

Really what you did.

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22.

25.

99 put.

699 days for memes.

For that, this would be 700 for memes.

Oh, 76.

25.

Did you get it?

Did you say 25?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I got it.

Oh!

Oh!

Oh!

Yes, Zach!

Again!

He did it again!

This guy can't be stopped.

Memes!

Sorry, Zach, I talked over you when you're doing it.

Because I wanted to highlight the fact that it's been now officially 700 days.

Oh, no!

Memes hasn't got it.

And Zach, you got it twice.

Oh, let's get a memes lottery ball clock

for the wall.

That counts up?

Yeah.

Yeah, days since he's got

days since he's never, he's never gotten it.

Yeah.

Memes.

Or we could do a countdown

until he gets to Hank.

Okay, that works too.

Memes,

I guess

that would double as

a death clock for memes.

Yeah.

That kind of solves both.

Or a death clock for Hank.

Talking serious because after Zach got the first one,

you were fine.

This one's got to hurt.

No, he's really good at it.

No, it's got to hurt.

It's just really easy.

I mean, Zach, how do you do it?

I just usually go with the the numbers that are on the graphic on the jackpot machine.

Oh.

There's 25 right there.

Wrong one.

I did that same thing today.

I did one.

Oh, man, Zach, you're so good at this, dude.

Mac's crazy.

So you've gotten it twice.

Twice, Zach.

No, every ball has its day.

No, but Zach has gotten it twice in one day.

That's not true, Zach.

That's not true.

Yeah, that is just not true.

Zero for memes.

Incredible job.

Well, I did get it that one time.

One time.

No, you didn't.

No, you didn't.

I did.

No, you never.

No, no, no.

You've never gotten it.

I did guess it right that one time.

I would give you my lottery ball win if I could.

I guessed it right.

You still need to acknowledge that.

I guessed it right.

No, I got it.

How?

I got the numbers.

It says right there.

I said two and two popped up.

So I technically guessed it.

I did not win it, but I did guess it.

SFT says I have eight wins, and it says right here that memes has zero wins.

I did not win it, but I guessed it right.

You've never gotten it.

Damn, dude.

Memes, that is tough.

What a legend.

Memes, I mean,

how do you live with yourself?

Memes?

What?

How do you live with yourself?

My day is fine.

No, it's not.

No, it's not.

No, it's not.

It's not fine.

Zach, great job.

Maybe, can you, I'm going to tell you something I need you to do for me.

Maybe pull memes aside and give him some tips and tell them how to do this.

Can you do that for me?

Yes, sir.

Okay.

All right, Pug, maybe get that for PMTV.

Maybe put a PowerPoint together for memes on how to get the lottery ball correct.

That would be a great PMTV.

I think everyone would enjoy watching that, right?

I would.

Yeah.

All right, so there we go.

So So get Zach gets it two times on his own?

Yeah.

PFC got it once on his own here in this one.

In this room, you have.

I've gotten the lottery ball twice.

No, you've you needed another man to get the lottery ball for you.

It's really sad.

This is really sad.

You're lashing out.

You're lashing out.

This is really sad.

Cuck.

Oh, memes.

This is sad memes.

Zach, yeah, please.

PowerPoint.

I actually like to attend as well.

Just kind of breaking down how you get it right so often.

I think it would be a fun

Group project.

Yeah, perfect.

Perfect.

All right.

Not a group project.

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