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Today is Wednesday, November 5th, and the NFL trade deadline has passed. And the New York Jets have dismantled their team.

Speaker 1 Top five defense.

Speaker 3 This feels like it was the one trade deadline that delivered because every other time they're like, oh, get ready. It's going to be a crazy trade deadline and then nothing happens.

Speaker 3 You get like a third string wide receiver that gets moved for a fifth round pick and that's about it. Hank just shook his head when I said that this was a crazy trade deadline.

Speaker 1 Well the Patriots did nothing.

Speaker 4 Didn't deliver for me.

Speaker 1 Didn't do anything. So the beauty of this is we taped a lot of the show earlier in the day.

Speaker 1 And to start pardon your take, we have literally the moment that Sauce Gardner got traded in Memes' reaction, where I think it was just, he was just staring and didn't know what to say.

Speaker 4 Some insane breaking moves in Pardon Your Take.

Speaker 1 Insane breaking moves.

Speaker 1 Memes, you now have had a few hours to digest everything.

Speaker 1 The Jets have traded Sauce Gardner for two first-round picks. The Jets then traded Quinn Williams for a first-round pick to the Cowboys.
How are you feeling now?

Speaker 1 I know that the rebuild, you just did this three years ago and you're doing it again. And you also,

Speaker 1 I want to have my guy memes back real quick. He got fired on Madden for this.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 No, memes is Sam Hankey. You remember what happened with the 76ers? Like, they crucified Sam Hankey for doing the right thing.
They booed memes because he was wrong. They fired him.

Speaker 3 They thought he was wrong. And guess what, memes? Turns out you were right.

Speaker 1 You were more right than anybody. Yeah.
So how are you feeling?

Speaker 1 Feeling great, actually, right now. Oh.

Speaker 1 They turned two players into potentially six.

Speaker 1 It's just sad because you want people to come into your organization. You want them to be Jets for life.

Speaker 1 We thought we had that with Quinn Williams, thought we had that with Sauce Gardner. Yep.

Speaker 1 And unfortunately, it's just on rebuild again. Do you think you'll get players as good as Quinn Williams and Sauce Gardner with those six picks? That's pretty much the question.

Speaker 1 Or those three picks that you got.

Speaker 5 I think so.

Speaker 1 I just think they didn't want to waste their prime on two back-to-back losing seasons because we've already established next season is also going to suck because of the schedule. Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is part of the two-year plan. But it's the two-year plan.

Speaker 3 I think you're close to it.

Speaker 3 It wouldn't do you guys any good to have those players on your team. That's what the concern for you guys is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because you're one and seven with them. Right.
And the Quinn Williams record, unfortunately, on the Jets was like 30 and 61 with zero playoff appearances since he was drafted. So

Speaker 1 you just got to

Speaker 1 try something new. Yeah.
It's huge for the Colts. The Colts got a lot better.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is mass for the Colts. Sauce is still having a good year, even though people claim he's a holding merchant.

Speaker 1 Who claims that? The Internet. Okay.

Speaker 3 Well, you should stop reading the Internet sometimes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, Sauce is still really good. He's just wasting his prime, and you just need pass rushers to rebuild from him instead of corners.

Speaker 3 So, memes, this is the two-year plan that you set forth because right now you're stocked next year. And then 2027, which many people are calling maybe the best draft class of all time.

Speaker 3 I read that take online a few times today.

Speaker 3 You're going to be stocked with picks. You've got to haul.
I would even say, memes, I dare say fleeced. I think you fleeced the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 I would say fleece too. It's just

Speaker 1 the sad part is it's the same exact thing as three years ago. You have three first-round picks.
You have two.

Speaker 1 You have two next year, three the year after, but it's the same as the Zach Wilson into the three picks. Right.
And

Speaker 1 the Quentin Williams trade, that is a fleecing. I don't know why the Cowboys are doing that.
The Cowboys, we're going to talk about Monday Night Football in a second.

Speaker 1 The Cowboys, it makes no sense why Jerry Jones thinks this is the team that he should go all in on.

Speaker 3 All in my ass.

Speaker 1 It also made me think the Micah Parsons trade was actually a steal for the Packers because

Speaker 1 Micah Parsons is more impactful than Sauce Gardner. They went for the same amount, right? I don't know if there was more picks.
I think they upgraded a pick.

Speaker 3 Okay. I think one pick might have been upgraded in that.
But yeah, ultimately, Jerry Jones, like, if this was his master plan,

Speaker 3 I don't really understand the master plan.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Jerry Jones, my way of saying this is Jerry Jones is the big loser in all of this because he traded for a guy on a season that things aren't going well, and then also watched

Speaker 1 Micah Parsons. Should have gone.
Michael Parsons should have gone. If you went Micah Parsons and Sauce Gardner, who goes for more?

Speaker 7 Are you saying Sauce?

Speaker 1 Do you mean Quinnen Williams or Sauce Gardner? No, I'm saying it's

Speaker 1 not the same composition. It's not a double loser for Jerry Jones because he traded for Quinn Williams for seemingly no reason.
And also, Sauce Gardner went for two picks.

Speaker 1 And obviously, contracts are different. Sauce Gardner's under contract, right? Micah Parsons had to sign a new contract.
But still,

Speaker 1 it feels like Jerry Jones should have gotten more for Micah Parsons is my big point.

Speaker 3 I would say loser Jerry Jones. I would say that's an absolutely fair take about that.
Yeah. And yeah, so it means, although it's painful right now, this was the right thing to do.

Speaker 3 You had to do it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you had to do it. You're one in seven with him.
And you got A.D. Mitchell back.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Even though Colts was a bitch. I saw somebody say he was A.D.
Bitchell.

Speaker 1 That's tough. Yeah, you got into it with Colts fans.
How'd that go?

Speaker 1 It went okay. I just told people, like, you live in Indiana.

Speaker 1 Could take

Speaker 1 place. And then what I love Indianapolis.
I think it's a great city, underrated city. We do go there a lot, memes.

Speaker 1 That's okay. But that's still 10 to 10.

Speaker 3 That's still a very fair thing for memes to say in the moment. Like, you're mad online, and so yeah, you're entitled to.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they got turbat online. What do you think about?

Speaker 1 They got wind turbines. Okay.
Yeah. Okay.
Renewable energy. Not a fan of it.

Speaker 1 In your face.

Speaker 1 What about Diana Rossini? How did you feel how she handled it? Wind turbines are a sham. What? Sorry.
What did you say?

Speaker 1 What? What?

Speaker 4 Wind turbines hurt more than they help.

Speaker 3 Go on.

Speaker 4 Especially in the ocean. Ocean.

Speaker 1 The ocean, the whales, they don't think about the whales.

Speaker 4 Or any of the animals. And if the wind turbines break, then it fucks up the entire

Speaker 3 ecosystem. What do you think about offshore drilling?

Speaker 1 I'll say this. I don't know enough about any of this shit to give you a confident take.

Speaker 1 Is that fair? Yeah. Like wind turbines? I've said, hey, give me a take, good or bad.
I'd be like, I don't fucking know.

Speaker 3 I have a take about wind turbines. They're not good.
If we're going to keep building them, we should build them the same way that the Dutch built them back in like the 1400s.

Speaker 1 What has changed?

Speaker 3 The wooden ones with the electric flag on them, the nice shingles on them.

Speaker 1 We can't get all the countryside right now.

Speaker 1 We can't get all of this.

Speaker 1 Memes did start it and Hank's.

Speaker 1 I'll look into it, Hank. You know what? I always give you things you got to look into and reports you have to come back.

Speaker 1 I'm going to look into wind turbines for you and I'm going to let you know my thoughts. You just got to go to Indiana.
I do think that Jerry Johnson. I don't know if they're good or bad.

Speaker 1 I just look at them and know if they're good or bad. Yeah, make a determination.

Speaker 1 So we're just going off vibes.

Speaker 4 Off vibes.

Speaker 1 Vibes, I'm going to say they're good, but I don't. Hank's giving up, give me facts about all the ocean being all the animals.
So now I'm thinking they're bad.

Speaker 4 I know the ocean ones are bad. Maybe the Atlantic Ocean.

Speaker 1 Let's reel it back in here, boy.

Speaker 1 The ones in the Atlantic Ocean, bad.

Speaker 4 Indiana ones might be bad.

Speaker 1 We're doing a little idiot jazz.

Speaker 1 I know, I know, Mark. I think we've done enough.
Let's get back to football.

Speaker 3 This is the trade deadline analysis you get from Hank that the Patriots don't do anything.

Speaker 3 Memes started it. Memes did start it.

Speaker 1 Memes did. Why did you start?

Speaker 1 You went into like a I just said they are bad.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 I did appreciate what Jerry Jones said, though. He did an interview on Sirius on Monday, and he said, What you have is a little bit of my philosophy.
Controversy. I'm serious.
I'm dead serious.

Speaker 3 Not serial killing, not that, but controversy. Okay.
The Dallas Cowboys probably have the kind of interest that we have in no small part because we stay out front and we stay controversial.

Speaker 3 When it gets slow, I stir that shit up. That's a great, great take, Jerry.
He's 100% right now. Shit gets a little slow.

Speaker 1 He just gets in there and starts stirring shit up. All right, memes, how do you think Diana Rossini, our good friend,

Speaker 1 award-winning journalist? I don't know if she actually has won an awards, but you know what?

Speaker 3 I think she won Takey.

Speaker 1 She won an award for her journalism with Max on the airplane. So award-winning journalist Diana Rossini, how would you say she handled today?

Speaker 1 I think she found out information from other teams and reported on it. Okay.

Speaker 1 You weren't mad about the dismantling of the top five defense.

Speaker 1 I think I heard you saying she's getting texts directly from Joe Douglas. Yeah, I mean, that's obvious.
Okay.

Speaker 3 I would say Robert Salah.

Speaker 1 Also Robert Salah. That seems like.

Speaker 1 I don't think Bob cares.

Speaker 3 I think he cares a little bit. It could be his brother.

Speaker 1 I think Joe Douglas probably cares more than Bob Sala because Bob Salah. I mean, Howie Roseman said, he was just like, good luck.

Speaker 1 He said that to me when we were at the Eagles thing. He said, oh, you want to talk to Joe Douglas? Good luck with the Jets.
And then just left.

Speaker 3 That's good reporting by memes.

Speaker 1 Great reporting.

Speaker 3 So we actually did, I FaceTimed Diana to have her say a little word of encouragement to memes, and she actually just made it so much worse.

Speaker 3 She just kept digging.

Speaker 1 She just kept it

Speaker 1 instantly proven wrong.

Speaker 1 What happened? She's like, oh, I'm hearing a deal for Brees Hall done. And then it was immediate Brees Hall's not paying true.

Speaker 3 Memes, you know, she was just saying that to make sure that's literally what she was doing. She just kept saying things to make memes more and more, and it worked to her credit.

Speaker 3 Memes, I'm glad that you're thinking better. I had a crazy idea today.

Speaker 3 We've talked about this, I think, before, but I think the Jets are in a position looking at the 2027 draft where they could pull this off. They have how many first-round picks?

Speaker 1 Three? Five.

Speaker 3 First-round picks in 2027. Oh, 2027.

Speaker 1 Three.

Speaker 3 They have three first-round picks.

Speaker 3 Why don't they draft

Speaker 3 hypothetically Saiyan

Speaker 1 and Underwood

Speaker 3 on the team. And then, like, the Jets, you need a quarterback.
It's been a long time since you've had a quarterback. This is the time.
I would do it if I were the Jets. I'd say, fuck it.

Speaker 3 And then I just trade the one that doesn't get the starting job.

Speaker 1 So do what Washington did?

Speaker 3 Yeah, but two first-round picks.

Speaker 1 Use them all on quarterback.

Speaker 3 Kirk Cousins had a career.

Speaker 1 I mean, in theory, in the case. Kirk Cousins has had a long career.
Bill, look how it's working for the Browns. They took two quarterbacks in this draft.
Not in the first round.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know, but it's still double up. Maybe even.

Speaker 3 Fuck it. Let's get crazy.
Let's take three.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Take one late.

Speaker 1 Shane.

Speaker 1 Shane. Shane also was in the trade deadline.
He got an offensive lineman. I just had one question for Shane, the Chargers.
Shane, our Chargers fan.

Speaker 1 Shane, you got Trey Penning from the New Orleans Saints. Why were you Googling Trey Penning bad guy?

Speaker 6 Because I remembered a couple years ago, there was something that happened at training camp where he got kicked out for like a week straight of just like ensuing violence upon the opposing team at the training camp.

Speaker 1 So, just and what did you find out? He did do that. Okay,

Speaker 1 I don't think that's a bad thing. Are you happy you got offensive line help?

Speaker 6 I'm happy we have people who are alive

Speaker 6 and play the position of offensive line help.

Speaker 1 Are you going to have Romeo Dobbs us? Joe Waltz in a better place?

Speaker 6 There's no worse place in the NFL than on the offensive line of the Los Angeles Chargers.

Speaker 1 So he's not in a better place. And he is in better place.
He is. He's not on it right now.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
Thank you, Shane. That was it.

Speaker 3 Good analysis, Shane.

Speaker 1 It was just very funny because Quig's got a little gotcha culture going around Barstool Sports. It was just Shane googling Trey Penning, bad guy.
Shane watched Jamar.

Speaker 3 He's just been saying all day he's alive. Trey Penning is an alive man.

Speaker 1 Big upgrade. They traded Rasheed Shaheed.

Speaker 1 I love that. Love that for Seattle.
Seattle's good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And Chris Olave did not get traded. Brees Hall did not get traded.

Speaker 3 Kamara did not get traded.

Speaker 1 I feel bad for Brees Hall. He wanted out so bad.
All his friends left. Now he's like, how do you,

Speaker 1 if you're on the Jets,

Speaker 1 how do you get up for this game?

Speaker 3 We're talking about the sad smiley that Brees tweeted out. Yeah.
And Memes is like, you got to trade the guy if he does a sad smiley.

Speaker 3 I think the sad smiley was because his friends are gone.

Speaker 4 What about the gif he tweeted when it was like the guy waiting at a door, like peeking behind?

Speaker 3 Seeing if he was going to get traded? And they deleted it. Yeah, maybe they maybe they didn't get a good enough offer.
I feel like third-round pick, you probably make that move, memes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think the best one they got was a fourth round. Memes, this is also like you have, I know that Sauce Gardner and Quinn Williams were good players, but now you have

Speaker 1 could be the Hall of Famers.

Speaker 1 You never know what a draft pick is. You got five first.

Speaker 1 You just get excited about draft picks. Like, this draft pick could be something

Speaker 1 even better. Yeah, and they did get the better of the Cowboys pick in 2027.
Oh, nice. Yeah.
So if either the Packers or Cowboys,

Speaker 3 whoever's worse,

Speaker 1 that's who they get. And Jerry Jones can't trade any of those picks next year either.
Yeah. They have to wait to see what the pick is.
Brick did it again. Damn.
That's some good GMing.

Speaker 1 I also said that makes draft day so much fun. Oh, yeah.
Like that whole prep just made it.

Speaker 1 You just have months of of fun, fun football. Yeah, you're.

Speaker 1 Draft day is about you. Yes.

Speaker 1 Draft day's always been about me. I understand, but this is extra about you.
When the Bears had the first and ninth pick, or whatever it was, it was awesome.

Speaker 1 It's like, oh, my God, what are we going to do?

Speaker 1 I don't like that spin zone of it.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 You're going to love it during the draft. I love you as a brother.

Speaker 3 You're going to be so pumped up in the draft. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, wait. You're going to memes.

Speaker 3 Imagine how many mock drafts you're going to go through.

Speaker 3 This might make you happy. Think about how mad you're going to get at some of the mock drafters out there.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You're going to love that.
Memes. Think about late April, this year and next year.
We have Todd McShea on the show, and the first question out of our mouth is, what are the Jets going to do?

Speaker 1 Don't laugh, Hank. We're pumping them up.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That will be the question.
What are the Jets going to do? They have every pick in the first round.

Speaker 1 That's 2027. 2027.
2027. 2026? Yeah, that'll be fun.
2027 will be fun. Okay, so there you go.

Speaker 1 I'm with you. You only traded away two players.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think it was, you'll hear the shock of the Sauce Gardner trade later on in the show where memes, I think he was like, we're going to trade everyone.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I thought they were going to trade everyone. Right.
Right. And that didn't happen.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 The biggest thing with that group is just they're the what-if group, and it was just completely ruined by Zach Wilson. And they didn't keep Sam Darnold and Aaron Rodgers Z, or Achilles.

Speaker 1 And Aaron Rodgers, Achilles.

Speaker 3 I did like how Memes' initial reaction, right, when the news was breaking, he tweeted back-to-back GIFs. Just memes.
He just memes his way through it.

Speaker 3 He tweeted the Michael Scott meme, and then he tweeted after like a couple minutes of thinking it through, the Alonzo Morning. I'm pissed off.

Speaker 3 Maybe this is a good meme.

Speaker 3 It showed you going through the stages of grief. Yes.

Speaker 1 Telling it through memes.

Speaker 3 Through memes. It was a beautiful thing to watch.

Speaker 1 No, it's a great trade. It's just, you just want those guys on your team forever.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it is better because you're getting out now.

Speaker 1 You will never get a better package for Sauce Garner than that.

Speaker 3 How quickly do you think he's going to get a deal with St. Elmo Steakhouse?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. For the cocktail sauce garner.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 Cocktail Sauce Garner. He's already done.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Maybe we'll play golf with Sauce over the summer.

Speaker 1 And Indy, you're figuring out. We'll meet him.
We'll meet him in the middle.

Speaker 1 That'd be cool. That'd be cool.
He's a cool guy. Yeah.
He's a cool guy. All right.
I just need Indianapolis, Brewing Bay, and Dallas to all suck. Okay.
Love that. Let's do it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Any other trade deadline? Hank, you're pissed.
You guys didn't do anything.

Speaker 3 Yeah, weird.

Speaker 4 I was just waiting, especially after the sauce news. It was like, all right.

Speaker 1 Other teams are loading up.

Speaker 4 Give us Brees. Announce Brees.
I do think the Colts

Speaker 4 announced Kamara.

Speaker 4 I don't know. I don't know what happened.
I don't know what happened behind the scenes. It's just they're now in a spot where they have to stay healthy.

Speaker 4 And, you know, I just hope it's not one of those things in January where you're like, I wish we had made a move at the deadline for a defensive player or running back.

Speaker 3 What do you think about wide receiver?

Speaker 4 I like our wide receiver, of corpse.

Speaker 1 Your corpse. Corpse.
Yeah, your corpse.

Speaker 3 A solid corpse.

Speaker 3 I like that the Jags got Jacoby Meyer. Yeah.
That was good. But I have no idea who the Raiders are going to be throwing passes to.

Speaker 1 Obviously, Brock. Yeah, that's a good thing.
Build the whole team out of Brock.

Speaker 3 The entire offense is going to be Brock.

Speaker 1 What do you say, Max? Oh, yeah, Max. You got some.
Yeah, I mean, I mean, Howie did it again.

Speaker 1 He's so good that it doesn't even matter. He just does it again, and everyone's like, oh, whatever.
It's Howie. Jalen Phillips.
Jalen Phillips, very good

Speaker 1 edge rusher.

Speaker 1 Exactly what we needed. We gave up a third-round pick, and if he's really good, we'll just get a third-round pick back.
Wow.

Speaker 5 Howie did it again.

Speaker 1 Howie did it again.

Speaker 1 That's how you do it. Yeah, no.

Speaker 1 Win right now. Go play some football.
Nolan Smith coming back. Jalen Phillips added.

Speaker 1 We got a bunch of corners that kind of shit, but maybe one of them can be good.

Speaker 3 Must must-win Monday? Yeah, everything's a must-win. You know it's a must-win for the Packers.

Speaker 1 It is. Just a fact.

Speaker 3 It's not a can't lose.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 3 it's a must-win for the Packers. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Bears got a first-round pick from 2021.

Speaker 1 Joe Tyrone

Speaker 1 Shoyinka, he was on the Browns. He was the first-round pick, the last pick in the first round from the Bucs in 2021, but that's a first-round pick.
You got a first-round pick.

Speaker 1 He gets zero stats this year. But it doesn't matter.
It's a first-round pick. He's rested.
You got a first-round pick grade on this guy. Healthy.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Low mileage. Yeah.
No,

Speaker 1 we need anybody on the defensive line.

Speaker 3 I was just glad to see trades happen at the trade deadline. Yeah.
You know that Howie was feeling. Like, once he started to knit, he saw the picks flying around.

Speaker 1 But Howie he did it all before the trick.

Speaker 3 But still,

Speaker 3 he thought his job was done. Then he sees these picks going all around and he's like, come on.
Maybe just one. Maybe just a small trade.

Speaker 1 Go ahead. I feel like the fact that he did it before and then all the picks started flying around.
He was like, I did it without flying around a bunch of picks. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 He did it before the picks started flying. I feel like the Ravens got some good.
They just got bodies. They made like three or four trades, got some depth.
They'll need those.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they'll need some bodies.

Speaker 1 Just trade for some bodies. Okay, should we talk? Yeah, they got Edge Rusher.
Yeah, from Tennessee. So they got some bodies.
Jermont Jones.

Speaker 1 That would be good. Good for them.
Ravens are going to go to the playoffs. I think we all agree.
Yeah. They're a playoff team.
Okay, real quick. The college football rankings are out.

Speaker 1 The

Speaker 1 12 teams in the playoffs, if they started right now, would be Ohio State 1, Indiana 2, Texas AM 3, Alabama 4, Georgia 5, Omiss 6, BYU 7, Texas Tech 8, Oregon 9, Notre Dame 10, Texas 11, Oklahoma 12.

Speaker 1 So, big takeaways from this. One, also, that is wrong because Oklahoma would not be in.
It would be Memphis, who's the highest-ranked

Speaker 1 group of five team as of right now. Big takeaways.

Speaker 1 Number one,

Speaker 1 they love Notre Dame. That was the biggest takeaway because Notre Dame, and I think Notre Dame is very good.
I think Notre Dame is a top, is a playoff-worthy team. But Notre Dame came in at 10.

Speaker 1 Miami, who beat Notre Dame in the first week of the season, came in at 18.

Speaker 1 Guess it doesn't really matter. It's, you know, it just doesn't matter.
The game that was played does not matter anymore.

Speaker 1 And more egregious than that, I would say, because Miami has faltered and the SMU loss was bad and all that stuff. They're 12.5-point favorites.

Speaker 1 The bigger thing is that Notre Dame is ranked ahead of both Texas and Oklahoma, which didn't make a ton of sense.

Speaker 3 Right, but if those teams continue to win, I feel like they could jump Notre Dame.

Speaker 1 Yeah, none of this matters right now. It's more like, hey, the big takeaway is the ACC is fucked.
The ACC is going to get one team in. The ACC's top-ranked team was Virginia at 14.

Speaker 1 Now, the ACC also has

Speaker 1 a bunch of cannibalization that could take place. Virginia is at the top of the ACC right now.
They're undefeated in conference. They're 8-1 overall.

Speaker 1 Their only loss being to NC State, which was a non-conference game. Right.

Speaker 3 Remember that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They played a non-conference. They have a two-year non-conference

Speaker 1 scheduling, Virginia and NC State. So they're 5-0 in the ACC, their one loss being to NC State.

Speaker 3 I do like that we're going to have.

Speaker 1 That's very funny.

Speaker 3 I like that the matchups that we get before the playoff starts that are technically kind of playoff games.

Speaker 3 Like, you can make the argument that there's one this weekend. Yeah.
BYU, Texas Tech. Yeah.
Right? That is, that could be a playoff game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that is a playoff game.

Speaker 1 That won't be interesting because it will be, if Texas Tech beats BYU and then they play again in the Big 12 championship and BYU beats Texas Tech, then they both could possibly get in.

Speaker 1 There's some tricky, like,

Speaker 1 it looks like,

Speaker 1 you know, the Big 12 will get one or two. The ACC has to basically walk a tightrope to get two in at this point.

Speaker 1 Their best chance of getting two in is, weirdly enough, Georgia Tech not getting to the ACC championship game but winning out, which would be a win against Georgia.

Speaker 1 So them not being in the ACC championship game, the winner of the ACC championship game would go and Georgia Tech with only one loss and a because they could Georgia Tech lost to I can't remember.

Speaker 1 Who do they lose? Georgia Tech just they lost to NC State. NC State.
That's right. They lost to NC State.
There's a lot of like cannibalization, like I said, that's going to go on in the

Speaker 1 ACC.

Speaker 3 And then one and two, Ohio State, Indiana. I know some Indiana fans were hoping that they would get number one, but it doesn't really.

Speaker 3 In fact, I could make the argument that it might be better for Indiana to be number two than number one. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Because they've got more of a chip now when they do play against Ohio State. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And maybe it's more the other way around where if Ohio State was ranked number two, then they would really have something to prove and beat the piss out of Indiana if they played.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right, so here was my big Texas, Oklahoma.
And again, this is all, it really, they're just putting this out here.

Speaker 1 And we should also remind everyone that the nice thing about the 12-team playoff is we are not sitting here arguing who is better between, like, if we went all the way back to the BCS, how Texas A ⁇ M is getting screwed.

Speaker 1 That's not an argument right now. You know what I mean? It's not an argument about undefeated teams.
It's about, you know, the teams on the fringe. But I do think that

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Texas rankings makes no sense.

Speaker 1 And I just, I'm more questioning what these old guys are doing in this conference room because Notre Dame, and again, I think Notre Dame is very good.

Speaker 1 And I was saying after week two, they're going to go to the playoff. Notre Dame's best win is against USC,

Speaker 1 and their losses are Texas and Miami. Two good losses, right?

Speaker 1 Texas's best win is Oklahoma and Vanderbilt, both ranked 12 and 16, and their losses are against Ohio State, the number one team in Florida. Yeah, that's a bad loss.

Speaker 1 And then Oklahoma has also two ranked wins. Michigan and Tennessee, their losses against Ole Miss and Texas, both ranked teams.

Speaker 1 So it just doesn't make sense to me why Notre Dame is ahead of those two teams. But again, it doesn't really matter because it will all figure itself out.

Speaker 1 If Texas runs the table, they will be very deserving to go in. They have to go play Georgia at Georgia.
Like, Oklahoma has the hardest schedule in the world.

Speaker 1 The interesting thing will be if Oklahoma finishes 9-3, could they somehow get in because of their schedule is so hard and they had to run a gauntlet. But it will all figure itself out.

Speaker 1 It's It's fun to have rankings. It's fun to see what it could possibly be, the bracket out.

Speaker 3 It's just fun. I love seeing Iowa in there, too.
I was pissed off when Iowa was not in the top 25. AP sucks.
AP sucks. It stinks.
It doesn't make any sense sometimes.

Speaker 3 Some of the people don't watch the games, which is tough.

Speaker 3 I think some AP voters don't actually even look at the scores of the games. Yeah.
They just get their ballot and they go off vibes. Yeah.
Which, honestly, respect.

Speaker 3 Respect. Respect.

Speaker 1 It's a list that's it's meant for us to get mad at.

Speaker 3 This actually means means something. I think for the most part, this one was tough to screw up too badly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I agree. Okay,

Speaker 1 any other college football? I mean, Miami, we talked about it with Johnny Fanta. We just got to put a reminder that when the clock turns November.
Because we were high on Miami.

Speaker 3 Yep, I was.

Speaker 1 I was very high. And they just do this.
Yeah. It just happens.

Speaker 3 I was off that Miami pack.

Speaker 1 Yep, and it just happens. Yep.

Speaker 1 Any other thoughts about college football rankings, Hank? The last thing I had was

Speaker 1 Red Panda's back

Speaker 1 officially. She came back tonight at the United Center.

Speaker 3 I forgot about Red Panda.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because she got injured. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then she also, halftime, Bulls came back from 24 down.

Speaker 1 Josh Giddy, back-to-back, triple-doubles. I was very wrong about Josh Giddy.
He's been awesome this year. They beat the...
Who'd they beat?

Speaker 5 Who'd they beat back?

Speaker 1 So this is just going to be the one NBA game we talked about last year.

Speaker 1 We talked about that one.

Speaker 1 No, we would have talked about two if the Wizards had beaten the six games. We talked about it on a hot seat, cool thrown on.

Speaker 1 I was locked and loaded.

Speaker 3 I bought league pass in the fourth quarter of the Wizards, the Wizards Sixers game just in case we won, so I could bring it up on part of the game.

Speaker 1 TFT died so I could live. Yeah.
It was just basically whoever could beat the Sixers.

Speaker 4 Celtics beat the Sixers, actually.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's right. Oh, in the Celtics.
We didn't talk about that. In the cup, though.
In the Cup. But yeah, Red Panda was back.
And Josh Giddy was awesome. And Vooch hit the big three.
How many points?

Speaker 1 Watching him bead play at the end was ugh. He was very good the first three quarters.
Yeah, but winning time, buddy.

Speaker 1 24-point comeback. You guys didn't score a field goal in the last like four and a half minutes.
All right, it's fucking November. We're just breaking down ball.
We love ball here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we love talking. Congrats on the win.
Congrats on the win in November.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Yeah.
Congrats. Josh Giddy was awesome.
Josh Giddy, awesome. Awesome.
Triple-double. Back-to-back.

Speaker 1 Pretty fucking cool.

Speaker 1 So cool. He had 29-15 at the bottom.
He was so cool.

Speaker 1 Thank you. I don't think.
And Red Panda back.

Speaker 3 I don't think Max Ling. Red Panda's been back.

Speaker 1 No, she hasn't. You want to bet? When was she back? Amazon stream before during

Speaker 1 that tall.

Speaker 1 The game from a couple weeks ago. Yeah.
What game?

Speaker 1 The game.

Speaker 1 Richard Sherman was chucking up threes.

Speaker 1 What game?

Speaker 1 Los Angeles Chargers.

Speaker 1 Red Panda was back for a football game? That doesn't count. They were in studio.
Oh, that's not. That's.
Okay, Max. Wrong.
Red Panda.

Speaker 1 Eh.

Speaker 1 In studio? Yeah, yes. No, this is her first time in front of the crowd.

Speaker 1 But she's back. Like, she was doing it again on TV.
Wait, was that? No, that looked like that was at a game. No, that's 2024, idiot.
Well, she was doing it in studio.

Speaker 5 Okay, well, studio doesn't count.

Speaker 1 That was a warm-up. That's preseason.
I'm talking about real life. Everyone...

Speaker 1 Well, half the people sitting in their seats, half the people taking pisses, getting popcorn. Red Panda.
And you can't even watch it on fucking League Pass. So that.

Speaker 1 What do you mean? I watched the whole game in the cave. No, but you can't watch Red Panda on League Pass.

Speaker 1 Because you can't watch Bulls on League Pass. Well, they showed some highlights.
I saw her. You don't respect Red Panda.
You're so busy. You don't respect us.
That isn't even true. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 I'm respecting her more. I paid attention to her work.

Speaker 1 She was doing it. I paid attention to her work, which makes me Amazon.
So I respect Red Panda. Hank, hit us with the wind turbine fact.
You find anything?

Speaker 4 Nope. Okay.
They might be all right.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 4 This might be big turbine, though. I don't trust the internet.

Speaker 1 So you have been Googling it.

Speaker 4 I did a little bit of research. I know the ones in the ocean are bad.

Speaker 4 Like one on the ocean off of Cape Cod collapsed and just completely fucked up the entire ecosystem.

Speaker 3 Damn.

Speaker 4 The ones on...

Speaker 3 You love the ecosystem.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Especially the aquatic ones.

Speaker 4 The ones on land, I don't have much historical research based on them. What about the ones on golf courses?

Speaker 3 Mini golf courses.

Speaker 4 They seem to be all right for my limited Google searching. Okay.

Speaker 1 Also, shout out. You want to read that tweet for me, real quick, by the way? The Return of a Legend.

Speaker 1 In a fucking studio, dude. NBA on the bottom of the game.
That's not a real game. The return of a legend.
That's not a real game.

Speaker 1 You know, that's not a real game. Ooh.
That's like Joel Embiid when he comes back to practice and then doesn't play for months and months and months. Ooh, The Return of a Legend of a Legend.

Speaker 1 No, that's not real.

Speaker 4 Turbines kill hundreds of thousands of birds and bats annually through collisions. Oh, not bats.

Speaker 1 Damn. What are we going to do without bats? Not have COVID?

Speaker 1 No, we would still have. Yeah, we still would.

Speaker 3 Absolutely. Tanglants.

Speaker 1 100% true.

Speaker 1 Shout out, last thing. Shout out Hawaii Pacific University for D2 upsetting Boise.

Speaker 1 Crazy.

Speaker 1 Their college is in a strip mall.

Speaker 3 What's next to it?

Speaker 1 A literal strip mall.

Speaker 3 Like, are we talking about a nail salon? Are we talking about...

Speaker 1 That's their college. Oh, that's pretty cool.
It's a strip mall. I like that.

Speaker 3 It looks like it's got an ice cream store. Probably a Mexican food place.

Speaker 1 Their gym that they played at was a former Franciscan adult day center facility.

Speaker 1 Fuck yes. And they beat Boise.
Good for them. Yeah, good for them.
College hoops are bad. This school looks sick.
Hank would go to this school. Hank would definitely go to the school.

Speaker 1 He'd flunk out of this school. No, he wouldn't.

Speaker 1 No. What? No, yeah, you would.

Speaker 1 Living in Hawaii.

Speaker 1 There's no way he would go to class at that school. He'd be ooze.
But maybe he would be in such a good headspace that he would just be in a good place to succeed. Real quick.

Speaker 4 What kind of majors they got?

Speaker 1 Probably something about the ocean, saving the ocean with the wind turbines.

Speaker 3 Let's see what their tuition is.

Speaker 1 Okay, this is

Speaker 1 our host.

Speaker 1 This is a good start. That host.
Yeah, look, a Barnes ⁇ Noble.

Speaker 3 $33,000 a year. That looks like a bargain to just live there.

Speaker 1 This is an awesome place. This place looks sick.
We need an AWL who can give us boots on the ground what's going on here. Because this looks awesome.
You just basically go on vacation.

Speaker 3 Oh, they do have an ice cream store.

Speaker 1 Hawaii Pacific.

Speaker 1 Imagine being the Hoops players coming back from Boise.

Speaker 1 You hit the Barnes and Noble,

Speaker 1 and everyone's going crazy.

Speaker 1 Now we're just seeing a girls' dorm room?

Speaker 3 What's going on right now? They're stoked on life.

Speaker 1 Hardy says that. This might not even be.
Is this the same school? This is Hawaii dorm room.

Speaker 1 Oh, Hawaii. No, I'm a fucking idiot.

Speaker 3 Oh, it's just the universe. No, that's Hawaii Pacific University.
Yeah, that's

Speaker 1 the first girl's dorm room.

Speaker 3 What? They got Panda inner tubes there?

Speaker 1 All right. We're looking at her trash.
Looks like she recycles. Shout out.

Speaker 1 This video could be better made. Not a lot.
Oh, the water works.

Speaker 1 Their sink was just like. Come on.

Speaker 5 They got everything.

Speaker 1 There's way too many details in this tour. I need to like see what's going on.

Speaker 1 We wanted a tour of the campus, not.

Speaker 1 No, you said click on Hawaii dorm tour. There's a girl.

Speaker 3 It showed her pantry.

Speaker 3 She's got snacks. No,

Speaker 1 I wanted to see the... Oh, well, yeah, I guess I did say click on the.
I thought it was going to be like showing all the dorms, not just one random chick's.

Speaker 1 Dude, chicks love putting lights up like

Speaker 1 flashy lights right above their bed in their freshman dorm. Love it.

Speaker 1 They love that shit.

Speaker 1 Look at those lights. Light show.

Speaker 1 That's where it fell in love.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 That's

Speaker 3 that's that's everything.

Speaker 1 Why are there kids introducing it? All right, we're big Hawaii Pacific University fans. This might be our school.
They're D2, though, so we're never going to see them again.

Speaker 3 That's the perfect university to care about for one day. I love it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yesterday was theirs. Also, Stephen Pearl almost lost in his opening game, which would have been very funny to Bethune Cookman.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but then he took a shot at the football program in his post-game press conference, talking about how we're close.

Speaker 1 We're close.

Speaker 3 We're close to being great. That was good.
I appreciated that.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's kick it back to ourselves. We're going to talk.

Speaker 3 Wait, so we also had Duke in Texas tonight, right? Yep. We're going to talk to

Speaker 3 Johnny Fanta a little bit.

Speaker 3 Get ready to hear every single night of this NCAA basketball season that Carlos Boozer's son was named after Cameron Indoor Stadium.

Speaker 3 Get ready to hear that. He's good.

Speaker 1 It's crazy.

Speaker 3 He's really good, but that is a fact.

Speaker 3 You know what? I'm just going to start saying people forget that Cameron Boozer was named after Cameron Indoor Stadium.

Speaker 1 It's also a big-time, holy shit, I'm old moment because I remember like

Speaker 1 nine years ago watching Boozer's like two fat kids run around in his driveway shooting hoops.

Speaker 1 Now he's one of the best players in college basketball.

Speaker 3 You know what's really fucking me up? If you look at the birthdays for kids that are now freshmen in college. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 What is it? 2005?

Speaker 3 No,

Speaker 3 2007.

Speaker 1 That's when I graduated college. Yeah.

Speaker 3 2007. That's.
It fucked me up bad when I first saw that.

Speaker 3 Okay. I'm old.
Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But you got a new haircut. Got the mullet.
You should have mentioned that. I can talk.

Speaker 3 I got the mullet. You're as young as your haircut.
I got the mullet rocking. And you're looking great.
Third time. I'm a third-time mullet halver.
I I had it when I was 12 years old.

Speaker 3 I had it when I was 17, 18 years old. And now we're back.

Speaker 1 At 40. I just got sick.
Yeah, at 40.

Speaker 3 I just got sick.

Speaker 1 Mike Gundy worked for him. Dude, I think it looks awesome.

Speaker 3 I think it looks pretty good.

Speaker 1 It works for your body, too. Thank you.

Speaker 3 I got a question for you, big cat. Yeah.
Well, I decided to do the mullet on Saturday, and then I was at the rugby game, and there were a shitload of cool-looking mullets there.

Speaker 3 I've wanted a mullet, and I was finally like, okay, I'm going to do this. And then

Speaker 3 I was about to get it done today, and I brought Pug out to the barber to get the behind-the-scenes footage.

Speaker 3 I was like, Pug, I just want you to know I am not doing this because I'm going through like a Britney Spears moment where she's having like a mental breakdown because of Jaden Daniels' elbow.

Speaker 3 And I'm just deciding to cut all my hair off. Maybe that's 5% of what it is.
But for the most part, I decided to do this on Saturday.

Speaker 4 I have a question for you. What'd your mom say?

Speaker 3 My mom, she doesn't, I guess she just found out. How, mom, I got a mullet.
She's seen me, she's seen me with a mullet before. Yeah, yeah, she, my mom thinks I look handsome, probably.

Speaker 3 Um, I got a question for you, big cat, regarding the mullet. Yes, and um, I want you to know that you can answer this openly and honestly.
Okay,

Speaker 3 were you upset that I didn't tell you that I was going to get a haircut?

Speaker 1 Not at all, okay.

Speaker 1 If you had cut all your hair, I would have been.

Speaker 3 I just, I just, okay, I just want to check in on that.

Speaker 1 No, that's not, you're not changing.

Speaker 1 If you had come back in here and had a buzz cut, I would have been like, dude, could you give me a heads up? Like, I need to,

Speaker 1 not that I can tell you one way or another, but it would have been mentally fucked me up. I saw the mullet, I was like, this rocks.
I think we had it live on the yak. I was like, that's awesome.

Speaker 3 See, I didn't know, but I thought to myself, like,

Speaker 3 is this one of those relationships where you're like, you didn't tell me that you were going to

Speaker 5 shave?

Speaker 1 If you cut your hair, I would have been disappointed if you didn't give me a heads up. Yeah.
Just a heads up. Because I...
I like your hair, and

Speaker 1 it would have been shocking to me.

Speaker 3 I like it too. I feel powerful, and I feel like

Speaker 3 I've spiritually had a mullet for quite some time, and it goes well with the El Camino, which is the mullet of cars, business in the front, party in the back.

Speaker 1 Perfect timing for the El Camino to be done for the year.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so I'm just moving. I'm storing my El Camino on my head for the winter time.

Speaker 3 You just transferred it. Alright, so when I got it cut, I actually walked in and man, all the boys were pumped, fired up.
And then I got back to the part of my Take Producer's Corner. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And the reaction there was way different. What happened? The reaction there,

Speaker 3 memes just stops and he just looked at me.

Speaker 1 He was going through jazz.

Speaker 3 He was, which I understood.

Speaker 4 He also used to have great flow. He just gave up on it.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So I think it'll be in PM TV, but

Speaker 3 memes just stops mid-sentence and he just stares at me. And I'm like, yeah, memes? He's like,

Speaker 1 it looks.

Speaker 3 And then he just never finished that sentence. It hung out there for about seven seconds.
And then Max got scared.

Speaker 1 Why did Max get scared?

Speaker 1 I was just nervous for you because of like myself,

Speaker 1 if I were to do, like, you can't go back. Like, he can't go back to his hair.

Speaker 1 What do you mean? You just have to be this guy forever. No, that's not true.

Speaker 1 The thing about

Speaker 1 100% not true. Hair growth.
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 It's going to take two years for him to go back to long hair. Is that true? Yes.

Speaker 3 Probably about two years. Yes.

Speaker 1 I can't wait to see. That's what made me nervous because it was like if I...
Well, that is a long time. I didn't realize that.
I thought it was like a month. You should get a bob.

Speaker 1 Because look at the front of his hair. You're going to bob.
The front of his hair has to match the.

Speaker 1 And it's either like, it's, it's either you go for a really weird, awkward phase. Yeah, I know what he's saying.
You just have to be a Mullachai forever now. I know what it is.

Speaker 1 Or you're going to go short hair. No, no.
Listen, I.

Speaker 1 There's no choice. Don't try to bring me down.

Speaker 3 Don't try to bring me down on Mullachey.

Speaker 1 I'm not, but I'm explaining why I reacted that way.

Speaker 1 It just made me anxious as a long guy.

Speaker 3 I know what's going on. He's jealous.

Speaker 1 It's okay. Are you jealous? A little bit jealous.

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 1 I could do that tomorrow if I wanted to. I do not want to.
So you don't have the balls. Correct.
That is. So you are jealous.

Speaker 3 Yeah. He wishes he had my balls.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You're okay.
I'm jealous of my balls. I'm jealous of your balls.
I got good balls. I'm jealous of your balls.

Speaker 3 I got big meaty clankers, is what they always call them. No, big, meaty clackers.
How did you respond? It was clankers. Hanks.

Speaker 1 No, clackers. Hank was fired up.
I love it. Yeah, Hank was fired up.
I like it.

Speaker 1 I like it too. It looks good.

Speaker 1 It's just a huge commitment. like you have to

Speaker 1 part forever now i can't wait

Speaker 3 i can't wait to shampoo for the first time it's gonna feel so to be honest i've been sick of having that the like long hair everywhere for a very long time the first time i shower oh it's gonna feel so good and zach was gassing appreciate you zach zach gases you know motors look good i think you could even now that you get the sides tight you can kind of dab you could like you could chop your head off and zach would be like that's really good looks good sir

Speaker 1 would you like water yeah

Speaker 1 keep the town hydrated

Speaker 3 What were you saying about the sides?

Speaker 5 I think now that you get the sides tight, you could like, you can flirt with the idea of like designs. You may throw a lightning.

Speaker 1 Lightning, I thought about the lightning. You got the number five.
But I'd be jumping in too fast.

Speaker 1 I'd be jumping in too fast. He's not dead.

Speaker 3 Are you talking about...

Speaker 1 He's in a better place. He's in a better place.

Speaker 3 I do think that about Jaden.

Speaker 3 Jaden is literally in a better place right now that he's no longer playing with that team.

Speaker 3 Respect.

Speaker 1 All right, let's kick it to ourselves. Okay, kick it to ourselves.

Speaker 3 Wait, windmills. Anything else?

Speaker 3 I want to make sure that we wrap it up.

Speaker 1 I'll give you a take on windmills on Friday. Okay, thank you.
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Speaker 3 There's

Speaker 1 Monday Night Football for those that were able to watch, which I think some of us in this room weren't able to watch, which is bullshit.

Speaker 3 Well, Max wasn't going to watch anyways because he doesn't like football, doesn't watch Monday Night Football, but that's fine. There's a lot of college hoops to be watching.

Speaker 3 There's a lot of college hoops.

Speaker 1 We talked about it at the end of Sunday's show. It is absolute bullshit.
The people, you're screwing over the people. We stand with the people.
Now, PFT and I may be speaking from a place of...

Speaker 1 slight privilege in the fact that we both have cable and YouTube TV, but we're still speaking up. It's fucking bullshit.

Speaker 3 I would speak, yeah, I'm speaking from a place of both privilege and also just being a boomer. Yeah.
Where I just, I have a deep fear of getting rid of cable for situations like this.

Speaker 3 But yeah, I think a lot of people out there, they don't have both cable and all the apps.

Speaker 3 They get the streaming.

Speaker 1 Yeah, for me, it's the Cubs weren't on YouTube TV. So I was like, well, I gotta have cable to watch the Cubs.
Yeah. And then...
But yeah, either way, it's bullshit. Hank, did you watch? No.

Speaker 1 You weren't able to watch.

Speaker 1 This is absolute, like,

Speaker 1 fuck you, ESPN. Fuck you.

Speaker 1 It's principle, too.

Speaker 4 It was like, I was thinking about it. Yeah.
I think if the...

Speaker 4 This game needed to be like the Lions Chiefs. Yeah.
And I think a resolution would have happened right now.

Speaker 1 It also is very funny watching the people who don't. Like, there are.
So it was Cowboys, Cardinals. It was like, who cares?

Speaker 3 So there was a way that you could watch it, though, if you had the antenna. You got to go out and buy an antenna.

Speaker 3 Apparently, sports and TV is just still floating through the air.

Speaker 1 You just have to pick it up. Well, yeah, that was that last year with the Bulls and Blackhawks.
A lot of people were buying antennas to try to get

Speaker 1 where they were playing the games.

Speaker 1 But it was also funny watching the, you always forget that there are actually a lot of people out there who only watch the NFL and do not watch college football, one of which our good friend Stephen Shea, who did not know this dispute was happening until right before kickoff.

Speaker 3 That's crazy.

Speaker 1 And he was like, what the hell? I can't watch Monday night football. That's bullshit.

Speaker 1 But it's bullshit.

Speaker 3 I'm calling bullshit on Stephen Che because he, I know for a fact that man has notifications turned on for Adam Schefter, who has tweeted out, like, he asked, asked YouTube TV to put ESPN on the air.

Speaker 1 So he was traveling over the weekend, and then he did, quote, tweet an Adam Schefter tweet around like an hour before kickoff being like, wait, what do you mean?

Speaker 3 Well, I saw that yesterday. Yeah, but he knew.
Stephen knew also for him to take Adam Schefter's side of this dispute was just perfect.

Speaker 1 I straightened him out. I told him, I was like, hey, buddy, listen, this is, you want to keep blaming YouTube TV.
It's ESPN. ESPN owns Hulu.
They own Fubo.

Speaker 1 They're basically trying to force people to to do that. We're splitting everything up.
It's fucking bullshit.

Speaker 3 Let us watch. Sports should be free.
That's my take. I agree.
When I'm elected president, free sports for everybody.

Speaker 1 Bread and circus.

Speaker 3 Free sports for everybody. It's very important.

Speaker 3 It keeps people happy. It's also just the right thing to do.

Speaker 1 Correct.

Speaker 4 The link that all the ESPN people are shilling out of like, here's how there's other ways to watch. The link is just a website to complain to YouTube.
There's no solutions.

Speaker 4 They tweet it in a way where it's like, I was like, oh, maybe I do have one of these things. Click the link.
It's just a link to complain to YouTube.

Speaker 1 It's bullshit. And the other things are owned by Disney.
Yeah. Hulu and Fubo.
So either way, there was a game that was played.

Speaker 3 It did feel like it had less buzz. Yeah.
Maybe it was just me watching it, but

Speaker 3 I never felt like I was excited about football during Monday night football.

Speaker 1 Well, it was, to me, the game was basically over when the Cowboys drove the ball down the field to start the game and got

Speaker 1 it was like fourth and eight. Fourth and goal from the eight.
Didn't kick the field goal. I don't, listen, I'm a big go-for-it guy.
I feel like in that situation, just get the points.

Speaker 1 You have Jacoby Brissette, you don't know if he's going to light you up or not. He ended up lighting him up, but it's five minutes into the game.
Your offense, that's so demoralizing.

Speaker 1 Like time and place, I had no problem with the Cowboys going for it later on in the game when they knew they needed like two scores. But at the beginning of the game, just get some points.

Speaker 1 Show something. You basically did all your homework and you have nothing to show for it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that was a tough start. I also, I like that Brandon Aubrey missed that field goal goal at the end of the first half.
They let him attempt a 68-yarder at the end of the half.

Speaker 3 That would have been a bummer for Cam Little

Speaker 3 if his record had lasted for a single day. Yes.
And then Brandon Aubrey did it on a bigger platform on Monday Night Football. That would have sucked.
So I was glad to see him miss that. But yeah,

Speaker 3 the Cardinals, Jacoby Brissette looks good.

Speaker 1 They were running, they were just play-actioning them to death.

Speaker 3 They did so much play-action. And play action works.
There's a reason why people do it. And then Gannon says that it's still still Kyler Murray's job.
He's not going to lose his job for hell.

Speaker 3 If you've seen Jacoby Brissette playing with the Cardinals and Kyler Murray playing with the Cardinals, I don't think that leash is going to be very long on Kyler.

Speaker 3 I think a lot of people have watched Jacoby Brissett and said, this guy should be starting at quarterback.

Speaker 3 Because the whole team, like Marvin Harrison, by the way, the route that he put on to Rosen playing last night was so good.

Speaker 1 It had CeeDee Lamb going crazy.

Speaker 3 It was N1 mixtape shit. It's like if that had taken place in a high school gym, the stands would have emptied onto the court and everyone would have just said the game's over.
He just broke him down.

Speaker 3 And it's good to see Marvin. I saw him smile even on the bench.
And so it feels like everything is kind of downstream from maybe the quarterback not being a big bummer all the time. Yep.

Speaker 3 But I do, I want to put a pin in this. It's similar to our Baker Mayfield Sam Darnold thing.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 I think in like three years, Kyler Murray will be a very good quarterback on a different team.

Speaker 1 Does he get taller? No.

Speaker 3 Same height.

Speaker 3 He doesn't grow.

Speaker 1 I could see him, like, picture this.

Speaker 3 Kyler Murray.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's no downside in saying this, so I'm in.

Speaker 3 Kyler Murray playing for the Saints.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's no, there's, well, if we're wrong, no one's going to pull this up and be like, hey, you guys are wrong. So I'm in.
Yeah, Kyler Murray's going to be great.

Speaker 1 We're just living off the high of. There's never been a more correct

Speaker 1 one minute on Pardon My Take history than when PFT and I in 2021 said, he said he was still believing in Baker. I said, I'll do you one worse.
I'm still believing in Sam Darnold. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That is the most correct we've ever been in our entire lives.

Speaker 3 You tell me that that Kyler Murray chasing it. Kyler Murray needs to do like a weekend slumber party with KOC in Minnesota.
Yeah. And then he'll be good.

Speaker 3 Like, I think we saw enough from Kyler when he was playing. You know, he had some moments early on in his career.
I don't think he's a terrible quarterback.

Speaker 3 I think he's in a bad spot, probably mentally.

Speaker 1 We should actually just, we should just do a compilation right now. Like, I don't know what you guys are thinking, but I'm not done believing in Zach Wilson.

Speaker 3 I think Spencer Rattler had Spencer Rattler can take a team to the playoffs. Yeah.
People love to hate on the guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know what? I don't think we've heard the last Carson Wentz.

Speaker 3 Fuck him. I'm out.

Speaker 1 Hey, put this one on the record.

Speaker 3 No, I don't want to kick a guy while he's down.

Speaker 1 Let's just stack him up and then we'll just re, if we just say every backup quarterback in the league, is Josh Rosen still out there?

Speaker 1 I think he's like a lawyer now.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think so. Yeah.
Paralegal. I think Juan's going to be good again.

Speaker 1 He's probably going to win MVP at some point.

Speaker 3 Geno Smith just needs somebody to believe in him.

Speaker 1 That was funny. The Raiders fans were being like, we got to find what's his name? Ike.
What's his name?

Speaker 1 IKA. I.K.A.

Speaker 1 Yeah, someone needs to find him. There was some funny.
There also was, I don't know if you saw PFT,

Speaker 1 it was actually like a sweet moment of people being in on the joke, but it was a Giants fan. I think it was our guy who says that Daniel Jones, remember, I can't remember.
Oh, it's Jones to China.

Speaker 1 Very funny account. He said, we kept your seat in the NFC basement warm for you.
Welcome back, Manders FC. And then it was just a bunch of Commanders fans being like, we had an awesome vacation.

Speaker 1 We brought back some, some, some trinkets for you. Like what a year away.
It was great. It was a good, good, good interneting.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's listen. I can't disagree with any of it.

Speaker 3 There's actually, I didn't realize how bad it had gotten for the Commanders, but they, they've now lost three games in a row by at least 21 points.

Speaker 3 And the last team to do that was the 2020 Jacksonville Jaguars. So it's been five years, or yeah, five years since a team has had back-to-back-to-back losses as bad as we've had.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you, the Bears Commanders, something is up with it.

Speaker 1 It completely ruined both seasons the last two years.

Speaker 3 And then this week, we've got the Lions, and I would not be shocked if it became a four-game streak of 21-point losses. And the last time that happened was the Arizona Cardinals in 2002.
Ooh.

Speaker 3 23 years. So, yeah.

Speaker 3 I think we talked enough of Commanders' misery on Monday. Yeah.
But that's just a wild stat. I would think that it would have happened at some point.
Like, we've seen some bad teams in the NFL. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But back-to-back-to-back blowouts are kind of rare.

Speaker 1 Josh Rosen is getting an MBA at the Wharton School right now. How sick is that

Speaker 1 to be at an Ivy League business school knowing you're going to get some investment banking job and you're sitting in class and you're like, yeah, yeah, I got drafted in the NFL.

Speaker 1 I made millions of dollars.

Speaker 5 It was so sick. It'd be good.

Speaker 1 I had the best time ever at UCLA.

Speaker 3 It'd be good.

Speaker 1 Like, he's unassuming, and he's just hanging out.

Speaker 1 Imagine sitting in a fucking nerd-filled NBA class and doing icebreakers and be like, yeah, I was a top 10 pick in the NFL.

Speaker 1 Do you think he got really good grades at UCLA? Or do you think it's a thing where you're a quarterback, you can just go to whatever school you want?

Speaker 3 I think he was smart. I think he was smart.

Speaker 1 I think his dad was a doctor or something. So I just, if your dad's a doctor, I assume you're smart.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think, I I mean, the knock on him was that he had a problem with authority coming out.

Speaker 1 He made $18 million in the NFL. Do you think his,

Speaker 1 like, you're, oh, we're going to do a mixer, we're going to watch Monday Night Football. Everyone's invited.
And he's just standing there being like, oh, yeah, that's what the covers are running.

Speaker 1 I know that because I played in the NFL.

Speaker 3 Do you think his boss at McKinsey is going to put out a graphic being like, Josh Rosen is our analyst?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 3 He should do that. That would rock.

Speaker 1 Has to.

Speaker 3 There's one question I have for you, Big Cat. Yes.
About the Packers. As a matter of fact,

Speaker 3 I don't want to make everything about us on this show. No.

Speaker 1 But it is our show.

Speaker 3 Did we break Matt LaFleur?

Speaker 1 He's temporarily broken. I did see the stat that was going around Packer Twitter that

Speaker 1 25%

Speaker 1 or no, sorry, was it 75% of all of Josh, 25% of Jordan Love's pass attempts over the last six games have been behind the line of scrimmage, second highest behind only Kyler Murray.

Speaker 1 I did read this stat, and the first thing I said was, wow, so he got a a penalty on 75% of his other passes because

Speaker 1 you have to pass from behind the line of scrimmage, but it was actually passes that landed behind the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 3 That would be fumbles according to Max's rule change that he'd like to enact.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think it's more that Matt LaFleur is going to figure it out. This was probably the moment losing to the Panthers and the way they lost to him is probably the galvanizing moment.

Speaker 1 And if you're playing the Packers next, you got to watch out because he's going to fix this and they're going to come out with their hair on fire.

Speaker 3 So my question about Matt LaFleur, though, and whether that was broken

Speaker 3 was specifically pointed at one thing that happened in the game. Okay.
So they're playing against the Panthers. It's the fourth quarter, 11 minutes left.
They're down 13 to 6.

Speaker 3 They have the ball at the 13-yard line going in. It's fourth and eight.

Speaker 3 What does Matt LaFleur do in that situation?

Speaker 4 Did he go for it?

Speaker 3 He went for it.

Speaker 3 Didn't get it.

Speaker 1 Wait, what were they down?

Speaker 3 They were down. The exact score was 13 to 6.
They were down seven points. Correct move.
They went for it. Actually, no,

Speaker 3 the stats say that you should kick a field goal without much time left on the clock. So he should have kicked a field goal.
It gives you a 5% better chance of winning if you kick a field goal.

Speaker 3 He said that his math guys said that there was a 1% difference in win probability between going for it and kicking a field goal. And he thought that they had a play that could score.

Speaker 3 But every other math guy that I've seen out there in their analysis says that, no, the recommendation is strong to kick a field goal in that scenario.

Speaker 1 We've always said on this show, if you can make a one-score game, a one-score game, you got to do it.

Speaker 3 You got to do it. You got to do it.
You got to do it. You absolutely have to do it, Matt LaFleur.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I think the Packers are in that crisis looking to the mirror. Hey, Jordan Love's a really good quarterback.
Maybe let him be a quarterback. Yeah.
Don't do just deep bombs and screen passes.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but yeah, man, I love the Packers on Monday night.

Speaker 1 They're coming off a lot. Coming off a loss.

Speaker 3 Against the Panthers, like, that's a bad loss. No days off this week.
Practice is going to be hard.

Speaker 1 You don't want to back against the wall.

Speaker 1 I'd say back against the wall. I'm going to be on Packer Dan this week.
I mean, I'm not. But if the Packers...
Full-on Packers. Listen, if the Packers.

Speaker 3 Hank, I feel like it's a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 No, here's what happened. Full-on Packers.
What's going to happen? I'm rooting for the Eagles to win this game. No, you're not.
Yes, I am. No, you're not.
Yes, I am.

Speaker 1 If the Packers win, I will shove it in your face and say I was right. And it still won't matter.
And it's still a hard win.

Speaker 4 Well, you say you're wrong if the Eagles win. No, because

Speaker 1 it never happened. We're not even talking about it.
Here's the thing,

Speaker 3 we're not going to get wrong if the Eagles win, but we're definitely right if the Packers win.

Speaker 1 That is the opposite. That's 100% right.

Speaker 3 Matt, I need two things this season.

Speaker 3 I need the Eagles to lose this game. I need the Eagles to have a tie.
I'm going to bet on the Eagles to tie every single week, Max. And this is, I have to find something to replace.

Speaker 4 Why don't they tie against the Packers?

Speaker 3 Thinking about the Washington Command. That will get confusing.
That will get confusing. That will be confusing.
I think that would be a win for Max.

Speaker 3 That's the only way Max can win this is if the Packers tie the Eagles on Monday Night Football.

Speaker 1 It is a hypothetical argument. Correct.
If the Packers win.

Speaker 3 Max, I want you to beat the Eagles

Speaker 3 about the hypothetical argument. I'm going to win that hypothetical argument.

Speaker 1 Max, I don't think you understand division

Speaker 1 records actually matter, and we're right behind the Packers, so I want you to beat the Packers. I don't think you get that.

Speaker 1 I do get it. No, you don't.
What you don't get is

Speaker 1 everybody else does. Which you don't understand understand because you haven't been fighting for the top of the conference in two decades is that sometimes it matters to be at the top of the NFC.

Speaker 1 Right. But you want to beat that team head-to-head.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 And you wish that they had won last week.

Speaker 1 I certainly do not wish that they won last week. Well, you're going to regret that.
No. The story's not over yet, buddy.

Speaker 1 You have, there's no chance of you winning this argument. Oh, yeah, there is.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, there's a winning win. There's actually a big chance.
If the Packers kick your ass,

Speaker 1 we won the argument. You don't get to know.
We won the argument. No.
Yeah, we will. You will never know.
I'm going to know. You will never know.
We will 100% know. You will never know.
Oh, man.

Speaker 1 It doesn't matter. Are you going to the game? I don't know.

Speaker 3 What's the spread?

Speaker 3 Who's on?

Speaker 1 The Packers are favored. They were favored two and a half points going into last week, and they're favored two and a half points now.

Speaker 3 All right, so there's like a 506%

Speaker 3 probability that we're right about this argument.

Speaker 1 It was the the same.

Speaker 1 You guys.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but.

Speaker 3 Listen, Oddsmakers.

Speaker 1 The only one who can definitively win is me. Odds makers.
Odds makers don't really understand

Speaker 1 because you forgot that it's me and PFT arguing with you. You're not shocking.
And we will find a way to win this argument.

Speaker 3 Vegas doesn't know as much about football as me and Big Cat do.

Speaker 1 We will beat you down.

Speaker 1 We will do circular facts that make no sense, and then we will win. And

Speaker 1 if the Eagles win this game, we never talked about any of this.

Speaker 3 No, if the Eagles win this game, I will be a coward.

Speaker 1 I will hide from this argument.

Speaker 3 No, I'll tell you what. If the Eagles win this game, it's because in their meetings this week, their coaches were like, these guys are going to come out with a point to prove

Speaker 3 because they just lost against the Panthers. You cannot overlook this team.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're a desperate team. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, I had one other thing. Oh, the Cowboys, yeah.
So they made it.

Speaker 1 Well, we talked about trade deadline, but it was also weird that Jerry Jones just like right before Monday Night Football said, I have a trade done.

Speaker 1 I've I've consummated a trade, but I'm not going to say it yet. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's just being a wily old bet.

Speaker 3 Sometimes he just says stuff. He just says stuff.
Also, he had Stephen A. Smith up in his box.
Yeah. That was interesting.
Stephen A.

Speaker 1 Smith is like trash to the Cowboys non-stop.

Speaker 3 I think Stephen A. Smith is an industry plant for the Cowboys.
I don't think he actually hates the Cowboys. I think, one, he loves Skip Bayless, so he's just flirting with him.

Speaker 3 And two, I think that Jerry Jones sees value in having somebody in the media that's always talking about the Cowboys, good or bad. Yep.
And Stephen A. Smith is that guy.

Speaker 1 It was also funny because Stephen A. Smith just left the

Speaker 1 suite as soon as I think it was Jake Ferguson's fumble. He's like, all right, I'm out.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 See you guys. No, I want that on the record, though.
Stephen A. Smith is a fake Cowboys hater.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I could see that. He's a mouthpiece.
He's just changed in the.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All publicity is good publicity, right?

Speaker 1 The other thing I had before we get to hot seat cool throne, I've been thinking about it more because it was, this is how you know a World Series was so good that even two days later, I'm still thinking about it.

Speaker 1 I've thought about it more and more. I think that might be the worst loss of all time for the Blue Jays.
Because I was thinking about it. Like, there's obviously some losses you can throw out there.

Speaker 1 You can throw out the 28-3 Super Bowl Falcons. You can throw out what? Oh, throw out.
I'm saying throw it out there is like, you know, possible.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, by the way, the TV ratings people are so funny, baseball fans. Listen, baseball was awesome.
World Series is is awesome, and I get it.

Speaker 1 Do people not remember? It was the Oklahoma City Thunder versus the Indiana Pacers, and Tyrese Halliburton got hurt like 30 seconds into the game. I loved baseball Twitter.
Yeah, it's so exciting.

Speaker 1 There's just such a lack of context to it. And

Speaker 1 both sports are awesome. We're a big go sports podcast where every sport gets their shine, but it was very funny.
They're like,

Speaker 1 the biggest city in Canada,

Speaker 1 what's Toronto? The fourth or fifth biggest city in North America? Los Angeles is the second biggest playing in the games with Japanese superstars.

Speaker 1 Japanese superstars versus Indiana Pacers versus Oklahoma City Thunder and the best player on the Pacers getting hurt seconds into the game. Yeah, Grok says this doesn't count Canada viewership.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Okay.

Speaker 1 That's Grok. There's a lot of Canadians living in America.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but between, yeah. No, you're right.
Like, I was going around at the bar on Saturday and I was like, you know, this is actually probably going to be the highest rated baseball game ever. Yep.

Speaker 3 People were very impressed with that. They're like, oh, that makes me want to watch more.
Yeah. And between Halliburton and Dick Cheney, it's been a tough year.
Tough, really tough.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 my thought was: there have been worse singular losses, right?

Speaker 1 But in terms of what the Blue Jays fans went through with all three games, you know, they obviously lost four games, but three of the losses being so tragically horrific in the 18-inning game, the wedgie game,

Speaker 1 and then being inches away from winning the World Series. It's the slow burn of the loss, where if you're a Falcons fan and you're looking at 28-3,

Speaker 1 or, you know, Bartman, or like, there's, you know, the kick-six, there's some losses that are out there, but those happen all in one game or, or maybe like two games.

Speaker 1 This was 10 days where it just, and you had 3-2 going back home.

Speaker 3 It's just insane.

Speaker 3 Now, do you think that because there are like three specific things you can point to and say this is why we like you can you can even point to getting more

Speaker 3 you but I'm saying you can even point to getting doubled up at second base in game six you can point to uh the bad lead in uh game seven and you can point to that crazy ass catch in game seven two outs away from from being World Series champs and Miguel Rojas you're the nine-hitter hits a home run right so like there's so many things so but I'm saying because you can point to all those things, does it make it a little less painful in the long run as opposed to just being like, that was the Steve Bartman game?

Speaker 3 When there's one thing that you remember it for?

Speaker 1 I think it makes it worse because you're like, if one of the 15 things flipped our way, we could have won the World Series.

Speaker 3 And I think that's super sad. And that's going to be...
It's one of the worst losses, yes. But I think

Speaker 3 if you have that one, like if you ask a Phillies fan,

Speaker 3 like Joe Carter, right?

Speaker 1 You have the Joe Carter.

Speaker 3 He was dead.

Speaker 3 But if you have the Joe Carter moment, then you have one thing that you can look back on and be like, that one name will hurt me for forever.

Speaker 4 Right.

Speaker 3 And this, you've got, it's almost like there's too many heartbreaking things that happened for you to like look back in 20 years and feel that one specific point of pain.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think the accumulation of all the moments, because like we mentioned on Sunday the 2011 World Series where the Rangers were two, I think they were two strikes away twice or whatever it was from winning the World Series.

Speaker 1 That's a very acute pain. You're like, man, we were that close.
The Blue Jays, you can just say, like, there are 25 at-bats and moments and base running and the wedgie that if any of those flip,

Speaker 1 if any of those flip, you are probably World Series champions. And it's just, that's so, so painful.

Speaker 3 They got to have one guy to blame.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 4 What? Better team lost.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I actually, when the guy said it, I was like, I don't believe that, but

Speaker 1 this is the closest you can come to actually making that argument.

Speaker 3 They got to have one guy that they can blame it on. And to me, you need a scapegoat.
That guy is Jerry O'Connell.

Speaker 3 So it's forever going to be the Jerry O'Connell World Series.

Speaker 4 That's fair.

Speaker 3 That's fair. He called me last night.

Speaker 1 Also, Hoffman giving up that home run to Miguel Horojas is still just so insane.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Jerry Woco's.

Speaker 4 And it's the screenshot of the slide into home. Yep.

Speaker 1 Where he just gets a lead. If you don't get doubled up in game six, if that the wedgie is a one.
I think I actually want to see dude perfect go out and try it.

Speaker 1 I think it would take them them weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks to hit the exact shot, exact spot.

Speaker 3 To just get it lodged? So hit it.

Speaker 1 You got to hit it hard enough. Yeah, you got to hit it hard enough, and it's got to lodge perfectly.
It didn't bounce. It just lodged.
Yeah. It's insane.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, that was my, I'm sorry for Blue Jays fans, but I'm more like saying that if you're going to lose, at least you now have the worst loss ever.

Speaker 1 I don't know about that.

Speaker 3 I disagree.

Speaker 1 No, I'm just saying. I'm giving you anything.

Speaker 4 No, there's no.

Speaker 4 No Blue Jays fans here now. Of course.

Speaker 1 Of course. No one good point.
They can walk around and be like, they can basically, in 20 years, when someone's like, oh man, that loss was bad, be like, no, it wasn't. It wasn't as bad as this.

Speaker 1 You got at least something you have in your back pocket. It was a bad thing.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying it's a good thing.

Speaker 4 Do you do that with double doink? Like, do you bring that up

Speaker 1 willingly? I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm just saying you can at least just trump card everyone and be like, no, actually, you don't have it as bad.

Speaker 4 That's not a trump card.

Speaker 1 That's not like it. You don't want to play it.
You don't want it, but you have it. You have it now.
I'm just trying to give you to give you anything that you have to walk away with.

Speaker 1 You have it. Got the Leafs.

Speaker 3 Jesus. Shout out Oldie.

Speaker 3 Oldie getting the boys buzzing before the game last night was awesome to see. Just waiting in the tunnel for him.
How many times did he say boys are buzzing?

Speaker 4 And just got to go.

Speaker 1 Got to go. We got to make

Speaker 1 the Leafs.

Speaker 4 His genes were insane. Yeah.

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Speaker 1 thousands, thousands upon thousands of Buffalo Bills, Toronto Blue Jays fans. Yes.
And that is

Speaker 1 so brutal. That is so, so, so brutal.
Like, that is

Speaker 1 unconsciable.

Speaker 3 I feel like Maple Leafs, Bills,

Speaker 1 parlay. Raptors won a title.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 They did. They did.
They did.

Speaker 3 Kawhi did that. Kawhi did that shit.

Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 Who'd he beat in the playoffs that year?

Speaker 1 Warriors. Warriors.

Speaker 3 No, but in the playoffs before that.

Speaker 1 Oh, the Sixers. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 3 That was a crazy shot. That was crazy.

Speaker 4 That was cool. I called game seven.

Speaker 1 It's so far back in the, because it wasn't even the conference finals.

Speaker 3 That was pre-Max. Max was dead on the show.

Speaker 1 Max was dead.

Speaker 1 He's a dead guy.

Speaker 1 I was live in real life, dead on this show. Max, I got to say.

Speaker 3 God, I was dead on this show for that shot. I got to say, like, it's been a rough couple sports days for me.
But one thing that's always going to put a smile on my face is just poking Max.

Speaker 1 Thank you, Max. That's not cool.

Speaker 4 My hot seat is John Morant.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Lost his joy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 He's beefing with his coaches. This was like a week or so ago, but he was

Speaker 4 getting pushed

Speaker 4 in a press conference after the game, and he was like, just ask the coaches, ask the coaches, ask the coaches.

Speaker 4 And then last night, he just said he's lost his joy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, they won't let him do guns anymore.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they're three and five on the season. Lowest points per game since 2020.

Speaker 1 It's bad. It feels like he needs to trade very badly.
Just get him out of there.

Speaker 3 Get him a a new place you know what i'm not done believing in john morant pink no i'm not either i'm not either no you should it does feel like a change of scenery is something that has to happen yeah by the way i feel like they're changed the coach a ton of well they did yeah they did that last year yeah

Speaker 1 they fired they fired their coach when they were uh they were gonna make the playoffs right that's true max and zach i got caught by that too I think that was fake.

Speaker 1 I needed to.

Speaker 1 There was a fake Kevin Durant tweet going around that it was John Morant and Anthony Edwards said, who's stopping this? And the fake tweet is Kevin Durant replying, baby mamas and Glocks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's fake. That's fake.
That's very obvious.

Speaker 1 Durant says fuck shit.

Speaker 1 And then he deletes it too, so it's hard.

Speaker 3 I got noties on for Kevin Durant at all times.

Speaker 3 I will verify if that's true. But no, that's a...

Speaker 3 You can't get fooled by the baby mamas and Glocks tweet. Yeah.

Speaker 1 By the way, you guys, I saw an NBA thing that I think people are probably more aware of.

Speaker 1 So maybe it's new to me, but the Pelicans are just like soft quitting and

Speaker 1 going to probably be in, like, relocate. And we know it from way far in advance.

Speaker 1 They're, because remember, we had the weird trade in draft day. They hired Joe Dumars, who hadn't been in that position for 11 years.
Yeah. He's basically been...

Speaker 1 you know, the Derrick Queen trade was crazy.

Speaker 1 I don't think they've won a game yet. And then this guy on Twitter, RetroPell, said that they have no promotional calendar for the season.

Speaker 1 They stopped doing any type of watch parties or like anything. No bobbleheads?

Speaker 4 No bobblehead? Yeah, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 And there's no marketing team slogan. Every other team has one.

Speaker 1 They're the only one that doesn't. They're just soft-quitting.

Speaker 3 Pell, I can.

Speaker 1 They're soft-quitting. They're basically just tanking the team so they can move the franchise.
Pell up.

Speaker 3 Pell, let's talk.

Speaker 3 It is bullshit. I think that any team in the NBA that's thinking about relocating, relocating, though, there's going to be a wrinkle that's thrown in now, which is because of the gambling stuff.

Speaker 3 The NBA's boogeyman that they have out there is they want a Vegas team so bad.

Speaker 4 Seattle. Or I guess they'll do both.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but I don't think that Silver is going to.

Speaker 3 The time is not right for him to push for a Vegas team.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But.

Speaker 4 It might be too late.

Speaker 4 The wheels are in motion, yeah.

Speaker 3 No, but I.

Speaker 3 With like FBI investigations, you got guys in windbreakers coming into your office, and you're going to put a team in Vegas?

Speaker 4 You got Pablo Torrey on your ass? You're going to go to Vegas?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's hot. The block is hot.

Speaker 3 The block is hot right now.

Speaker 3 If Adam Silver does it, then tip of the cap. He's a real one.

Speaker 1 Seattle.

Speaker 1 Seattle.

Speaker 3 I would love a team in Seattle.

Speaker 1 They're going to do both. Yeah, no, they are going to do both.

Speaker 1 And I think they'll be able to get away with Vegas because the NFL already did it. Once the NFL does it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but the NFL doesn't have it. They don't have the FBI.

Speaker 4 The NI investigation after they did their own investigation and cleared.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Cash Patel isn't trying to drag down the NFL to prop up the NHL.

Speaker 1 But they can also just say, well, it's legal here, so we can regulate it.

Speaker 1 He's not doing it. They'll do it, and they'll just say it.
They'll say it's fine.

Speaker 1 My cool throne is clones. Clones? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Iowa State?

Speaker 4 Tom Brady. Oh.

Speaker 1 He's cloning himself? He's cloned his dog. Oh.
Oh, this stuff kind of makes me.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 It just makes me think. It's like, I think it was a company that he invested into, and it's like.

Speaker 3 That's weird because Tom seems like such a normal guy, and then he does something like this.

Speaker 4 What if he clones himself?

Speaker 1 The thing with this is

Speaker 1 he just, it's just the dog has to be a little bit different, and you have to be able, and you notice it, and that's got to be so offsetting. And also, so how old? Off-putting, sorry.

Speaker 3 How old was the dog that so the dog passed away two years ago? Yeah. So the dog had been living with him while he was like a Super Bowl champion.

Speaker 3 And so now you're bringing up a clone of your dog and expecting it to be the same when you're not a winner anymore. He's still a winner.
That dog's not going to have championship DNA.

Speaker 3 Did he rename the dog?

Speaker 1 Yes. Okay.
I don't know, man. I'm not, I don't think I can get it behind this stuff.
No.

Speaker 1 You like it, Hank?

Speaker 4 I support,

Speaker 4 I support Tom.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Good answer. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Nice political answer right there.

Speaker 4 Good answer. And like, I feel like, I feel like, you know,

Speaker 4 it's just a move that greats do is like wanting to clone themselves. Ted Williams, Tom Brady.

Speaker 4 Let's get a super team going.

Speaker 1 Your dog.

Speaker 1 Like, your dog's, it's going to, there's going to be something different.

Speaker 3 In his defense, what other way is there to get a dog? Yeah, it's true. Like, that's how you get dogs.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You just buy stellar blue coffee.

Speaker 3 You just extract blood from your old one, and then you send it to a lab, and then a robot mixes it together, and then they inject that into another female dog, and then your dog is born again.

Speaker 3 That's that's a beautiful thing about nature.

Speaker 1 And now we got to reprint all the shirts, like adopt, don't shop, adopt, don't clone. Yeah,

Speaker 3 bone, don't clone.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 okay.

Speaker 1 Your hot seat cool to own.

Speaker 3 My hot seat is us. Oh.

Speaker 3 Sports podcasters.

Speaker 1 Uh-oh. So

Speaker 3 I was trying to look up some stats on Sunday night, and I was trying to find

Speaker 3 the last time that a team had lost four consecutive games by 21 or more points. And I ended up just asking our guy, Stat Hole, who got it to me in like two seconds.

Speaker 3 But I was looking all over the internet for like the best ways to look up these types of stats. And I found in one of my searches a landing page for something called Fox Sports AI.

Speaker 1 Uh-oh.

Speaker 3 And I went to it,

Speaker 3 and it's a landing page.

Speaker 3 for sports AI beta, but there's no there's no like AI bot that you can use yet, but it's like an announcement page for it, for a product that hasn't come out yet.

Speaker 3 And nobody at Fox Sports knew what it was when I was trying to ask about it.

Speaker 1 And what it is.

Speaker 3 Yeah. So

Speaker 3 I read through it.

Speaker 3 They're creating a robot online that can do hot takes on demand.

Speaker 3 Ask Sports AI for bold takes, trending topics, or a second opinion on a hot button issue. Whether you're defending your team or talking trash, Sports AI is is ready to jump in.

Speaker 3 I don't know that they can,

Speaker 3 that AI can replicate what we do because we're so wrong.

Speaker 3 I don't think robots can be wrong on purpose.

Speaker 1 No, they can't.

Speaker 1 It's in their bylaws.

Speaker 3 I brought this up to Bluttman, and he was like, it might just be Cletus. And if this is Cletus, then respect Cletus, the NFL robot.
Mad respect.

Speaker 3 When this comes out, we're going to have to do like a John Henry versus the machine against this AI bot to prove that humans are still superior.

Speaker 1 Oh, boy.

Speaker 1 We're cooked. Yeah, no, we are cooked.

Speaker 4 We got like two years.

Speaker 1 Two?

Speaker 1 I'd like to give us a little more than that. Every movie, it's like.

Speaker 3 That's when Hank is going to owe me $50,000.

Speaker 4 The AI comes out, and then it starts to get smarter, and then eventually it gets smarter, and then things go haywire. And like, we're in the, like, we're trying to work with AI.

Speaker 4 I give it a couple more years before AI then just takes us over.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Although I did.

Speaker 4 Because everyone right now is like, oh, let's use AI for AI solutions.

Speaker 1 And also, every time you make a video of AI,

Speaker 1 doesn't it take water away from an entire city? Yeah, power. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But I read an article yesterday that was about how businesses are like pushing back against AI because all the AI companies convince them that it's here and it's the future.

Speaker 3 And then they get these AI bots and they suck because they're wrong like 40% of the time. So you can't have that if you're running a business because it costs you money.

Speaker 3 And then you're like, I'm going to cancel my robot subscription. And then the AI companies are like, Hey, we're not selling as many robots as we used to.

Speaker 3 And then the vampires that are funding the AI companies are like, Well, we're going to need some of that money back that we gave you in investment.

Speaker 3 Also, it's important to remember that the people that are designing AI are dorks. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, here's my big take on AI, Hank, is that I think that it actually we might come out the other end pretty good because everything's going to be so fake, and

Speaker 1 you have no idea what's real or not online that human interaction becomes the gold standard.

Speaker 1 So we all just ditch our phones in our computers, and we just, this is this, me and you looking at each other, becomes real.

Speaker 1 It becomes the best thing.

Speaker 4 I'm down to ditch phones. People aren't going to do that.

Speaker 1 You're not going to do that. No, we're not down.
I'll fucking do it.

Speaker 3 Not everyone. We should still have podcasts.

Speaker 3 The new phone should just be a box that you get podcasts on. And that's.
There's going to be AI podcasts. That's what I'm saying.
This Fox Sports AI hot take bot,

Speaker 3 I don't think it could come up with the stupid shit that we get wrong. It can't be wrong.

Speaker 1 It's just on purpose. We'll just get even more wrong.
Anything we say that's wrong from here on forward, it's so that we're getting AI off the scent.

Speaker 3 I have not yet begun to be wrong about shit. Like this fucking Packers take.

Speaker 1 Don't bring it up again.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's correct.

Speaker 3 You think an AI robot would come up with this take, Max?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 3 AI robots don't understand statement losses.

Speaker 3 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 Facts. Statement loss is different than whatever.
Yeah. Yeah, we weren't talking about statement losses, but that's fine.
Hey, listen, he misspoke. That was to get AI off the scent.
Good job, PFT.

Speaker 3 I think it might be a statement loss by the Packers now because

Speaker 3 we know that the Panthers, every year that Ohio State wins the championship and J-Lo gets divorced, they make it to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 Facts.

Speaker 1 Okay, what's your cool throne?

Speaker 3 My cool throne is Kevin Stafanski

Speaker 3 because everyone's going to be off his back now because he has given up play calling duties to Tommy Reese. Nice.
So the problem

Speaker 3 with the Browns offense, it's no longer on Kevin Stefanski's page. It's on Tommy Reese.
And if you're asking, hey, didn't Kevin Stefanski do this same thing last year?

Speaker 5 You would be correct. Yeah.

Speaker 3 This is like an annual thing. It's like the leaves turning.

Speaker 3 That's fine. Clocks falling forward.

Speaker 3 Same thing with Stefanski. This is what he does.

Speaker 1 I know both guys. I trust both guys.

Speaker 3 So they're fine. Yeah, except when Tommy tried to go by Tom for a year.

Speaker 1 That was a red flag.

Speaker 3 It's like

Speaker 3 your name's Tommy.

Speaker 1 Tommy Reese. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, my hot seat is, I have two. The first one is going to be Mick Cronin because Mick Cronin, the UCLA Bruins, started their 2025, 2026 college basketball campaign.

Speaker 1 They won against Eastern Washington, but Mick Cronin said after the game.

Speaker 1 I blame myself. I knew this was coming, but I couldn't stop it.
I failed miserably. Arrogance, lack of humility, don't want to defend, don't want to rebound, don't want to play defense.

Speaker 1 There are so many mistakes. I'd like to fire myself.

Speaker 1 That's accountability. He wants to fire himself.
Yep. Hand up.

Speaker 3 Mick Cronin. He gets it.

Speaker 1 He could. He gets it.

Speaker 3 I could see him firing himself and then rehiring himself on an interim basis. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But one game in, I want to fire myself. Yeah.
I love Mick Cronin. He's great.
And then my other hot seat is Hank.

Speaker 1 A little cautionary tale there, Hank, because we're getting some more details on Hugh Freese at Auburn.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 he was so obsessed with golf that some of the boosters said he showed up on Friday before games without his golf clubs, just wanting to watch guys play golf.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 4 That is a tall game. Okay.

Speaker 1 That is a tall. The booster said the only problem I 4C is that he wanted to play golf way more than coach anymore.

Speaker 1 I said on Friday before a home game this season, Freeze again showed up to the golf course.

Speaker 1 As an Auburn booster told CBS Sports, Freeze just came out to the golf course without clubs to watch guys play golf.

Speaker 4 There is no shot. And if you're that obsessed with golf, that's like the last thing you wanted.

Speaker 3 Am I going crazy or did I bring that up on

Speaker 3 Monday and then you said no, it's because he lost to Kentucky.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, I said that, I mean, he lost to Kentucky.

Speaker 3 But yeah, this has been a story about him. Yeah, yeah, no, I know.

Speaker 1 There was the, this is a news story. Yeah.
He went to watch guys play golf.

Speaker 3 Watching guys play golf is crazy.

Speaker 1 I was saying specifically on Saturday night he lost to Kentucky.

Speaker 3 He also had a standing date, a standing tea time at a country club. That's totally good.

Speaker 3 And then when people caught on to it, then people did more snooping around because they found out that his wife was still logging all her scores onto the GHIN, knowing that she was playing with him every week.

Speaker 3 He just stopped logging his handicap.

Speaker 3 So he's also been sandbagging in addition to

Speaker 3 coaching losing football.

Speaker 1 No, but I know you said that on Sunday, but I was saying, like, specifically,

Speaker 1 Kentucky's garbage, and they scored three points against Kentucky. But yes, golf is now, he's watching dudes play golf.

Speaker 3 No, Hugh Free is his. I don't believe that.

Speaker 1 Okay. Well, it's just a cautionary tale.
He came from Liberty. I would never do that.
Okay.

Speaker 4 I would never do that. Never?

Speaker 4 To show up and just watch?

Speaker 1 Yeah, because you know that you can't play. You can, you can plausible deniability be like, hey, I didn't play today.

Speaker 3 I just watched. No,

Speaker 4 I wouldn't want to do that.

Speaker 1 Listen, this was from John Talty on CBS Sports. He posted on Monday afternoon.

Speaker 3 I believe it, because showing up and just watching, that's kind of what they do at Liberty.

Speaker 1 Day before camp and a hole in one. Come on, Hugh Freeze.
That's awesome.

Speaker 4 That is so sick. I mean, this is a classic, like, this is all getting reported now that he's on his way out.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Every coach golfs.

Speaker 1 He's a lot of time to know.

Speaker 3 No, I think some coaches don't golf.

Speaker 4 A lot of coaches golf.

Speaker 1 A lot of coaches don't golf.

Speaker 3 You think Coach O golfs?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 No. No.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I don't think so.

Speaker 4 Boosters, but they have to.

Speaker 4 Every coach on some level has to at least be able to form a golf swing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they have to play.

Speaker 4 They have to play in some events, boosters, charities, like boosters events.

Speaker 3 They have to be able to show up at a golf event and wear a polo shirt. At the bare minimum.
Because this happened to Brian Kelly, too.

Speaker 1 Brian Kelly played 400 rounds. Yeah.
You got to start standing up for golfers. I will.
I will happily do that. What are you going to do?

Speaker 4 What am I going to do?

Speaker 1 Yeah, stand up.

Speaker 4 I'm gonna show that you can play a lot of golf and still perform at a high level.

Speaker 1 Okay, well,

Speaker 6 yeah, you can't.

Speaker 1 A lot of Ken.

Speaker 4 A lot of savings golfed all the time.

Speaker 3 I mean, the fact that he's able to do that with

Speaker 3 the back condition that he has is incredible. Like, that's a more impressive comeback story than Fusion Tiger.
Look at you.

Speaker 1 You do the same thing. Look at me.

Speaker 3 Me and Hugh.

Speaker 1 Yeah. My cool throne is Wisconsin football.
Finally. Finally, some good news.

Speaker 1 Matt Brown from Extra Points did a FOIA request of 35 universities to see, trying to figure out where NIL money can come from. And part of it is beverage sales, beer sales.

Speaker 1 And he did that for 35 universities. And Wisconsin had $1 million more than second place in terms of beer sales in stadiums.
So got that.

Speaker 1 $3 million so far this year. Nebraska is second in $2 million.

Speaker 1 So that's cool. Wisconsin crushes.
Yeah, they drink a lot of beer.

Speaker 3 It does.

Speaker 3 My favorite graphic that goes viral every now and again is where they show the drunkest cities in America. And out of the top 10, I want to say, or top 20 maybe, like 14 are in Wisconsin.

Speaker 3 It's just a heat map. It's a heat map.

Speaker 1 And it's just all Wisconsin.

Speaker 3 Wisconsin likes beer. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Credit to them.

Speaker 1 We just got to sell more beer and maybe get some more players. It's a lot of Wisconsin.
Okay, Zach, your hot seat cool to

Speaker 5 my hot seat seat this week is going to be Rockstar Games. Gentlemen, we have an update on the GTA 6 front.

Speaker 1 Oh, there's no way this is a real update.

Speaker 5 And by update, I mean they have since deleted the now launch date off the website, off the landing page. May 2026 is no more.

Speaker 5 They're backtracking again. I think we're going to get hit with another calendar year of waiting.

Speaker 3 I heard a rumor about GTA. Maybe you can tell me if this is true or not.
Hank, you'll appreciate this. I heard that within the game of GTA 6, there's going to be 18 holes of golf that you can play.

Speaker 3 Like, there's going to be a full-fledged golf video game inside of GTA.

Speaker 5 There is a golf course in GTA 5.

Speaker 5 Them leveling that up to full 18 makes sense to me.

Speaker 5 I can't confirm the rumor, but they're saying there's so much you should be able to do in the game if it ever comes out that I definitely don't doubt there being an 18-hole golf course.

Speaker 1 I love that.

Speaker 3 I think they're just making Second Life. I think they're just making the best Second Life of all time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 All right, so GTA 6 is not coming out.

Speaker 5 They took the launch date off the website.

Speaker 1 Just put it out. I'm sure they're trying to perfect it so that, you know, the guy's shadow looks awesome and the ripples and the waves.
Just fucking put it out. No one cares.

Speaker 5 So they did pick up a lot of...

Speaker 5 You guys ever seen like 5M or GTA RP, like the roleplay servers you can play on? Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 No idea what you just said.

Speaker 5 So the RP is kind of like Second Life, where in GTA, it's modded out a little bit to where you can just run a chain of convenience stores or

Speaker 5 you can have a food truck.

Speaker 5 or could you be a podcaster you could probably yeah they they got studios you could probably be a podcaster or like uh gang gang mores or like sell listed substances you can do all sorts of stuff uh the art they hired a bunch of the rp guys last year from 5im so maybe

Speaker 3 maybe we are leaning towards more of a second life situation but it's just never coming out they might just be making the everything game

Speaker 3 like every other game is built into gta and you can play it there's probably a flight simulator in it they need to make it so that you can you can it like is it's a flight simulator.

Speaker 1 No, but I mean. It's a

Speaker 3 full-fledged flight simulator. High-fidelity cockpits.

Speaker 1 And then they make it so that you just plug your brain into it. So you're not even playing with a controller.
And you just go to sleep. And you play the game.

Speaker 5 That would be cool. So GTA gets with meta.
You're going to spy kids, too.

Speaker 3 Yeah. No, and when you buy it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you don't even buy the game. You buy a pill, and it's a red pill.

Speaker 5 And then you just take the red pill. And you sign in with what, like blood type?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. So you just sign in with your name, Neil.

Speaker 1 Okay, your cool tone?

Speaker 5 My cool throne this week is

Speaker 5 Luke from the Outdoor Boys because for the next foreseeable future, next couple weeks, we get some more outdoor boys back.

Speaker 1 Oh, he's back? He's coming back.

Speaker 4 He's coming back. He's not too much.
He missed it.

Speaker 1 For the next half of the year. For people who don't know, this is the most wholesome content on the internet, period.
It's this guy. Where does he live? Alaska?

Speaker 5 He is somewhere very frigid all the time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's a lawyer, and he had an incredible incredible channel where he basically teaches you how to survive. He has two young boys that he teaches them how to survive, hunt, fish, build huts.

Speaker 1 And he just retired, what, six months ago, saying that he wanted to just be with his family more, and now he's back?

Speaker 1 Oh, it's unfinished videos in November. Uploading three previously unfinished videos in November.

Speaker 3 So he's still retired, but this is just like bone from the vault.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 5 in the retirement video, he's like, hey, I have been working on these three videos. If I wrap them up, finish them, I'm going to give them to you guys.

Speaker 5 These next three Saturdays are when we get those. It's almost like we're hopping in like an outdoor boys time machine, going back.

Speaker 1 Oh, so your plans are set.

Speaker 5 Time block on Saturdays for a little bit.

Speaker 3 Is this guy going to be the best career move that he ever made? Like these videos are going to go nuts, aren't they? Like numbers?

Speaker 1 I mean, he's been.

Speaker 3 Sorry, yeah,

Speaker 3 meme just had three.

Speaker 1 That was a great three. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Automatic on the three there.

Speaker 3 But you know what I'm saying? It's like if an artist dies, all the artwork, it goes up in price.

Speaker 3 If you retire from something, you know, obviously people are going to spend more money on the stuff that you made beforehand.

Speaker 3 If you say you're walking away from the internet and you actually follow through, and in this case, six months is, that's a very long retirement to follow through on because a lot of people say like, oh, I'm never logging on to X, the Everything app.

Speaker 3 It's all happening on X again. And then

Speaker 3 they re-sign up in like a week. But the fact that he's been gone for so long, when he drops these videos, I feel like those are going straight to the top of the charts.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he was already in like the out of this world boom zone as far as the charts go. This is just kind of probably you're right, two ads.
He's going to go big.

Speaker 5 I like that.

Speaker 1 Five big ones.

Speaker 3 The out-of-the-world boom zone.

Speaker 1 Boom zone. I love

Speaker 3 we ever put out any videos that are out of this world boom zone.

Speaker 4 TK Metcalf and Aaron Donald.

Speaker 1 Every week. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Boom zone. Okay, good job, Zach.
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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest. He's one of our best friends, recurring guest.

Speaker 1 It is Johnny Fanta, aka Johnny Football, because we have Johnny Fanta here to talk a little college basketball, but we're going to start with football because he's covering football now.

Speaker 1 If you're watching NBC, if you're watching the Big Ten on Saturday night, they're doing the Fanta minute, and I love it. Every time I get so jacked up when I see you on my TV on Saturday night,

Speaker 1 except when it's Wisconsin playing getting absolutely manhandled, which did happen a couple weeks ago. But Johnny, great to see you.
Do you want to talk some football first?

Speaker 7 Let's go. I mean, how about the Big Ten with the top two teams in the country and that Matt Patricia defense that has just been absolutely dominant in Columbus? The repeat threat is real.

Speaker 7 But to me, Coach Signetti has totally changed the sport of college football.

Speaker 7 He's put everybody on notice saying, don't give me two, three, four years that it takes you to figure it out with a program.

Speaker 7 There's a real national championship contender in Bloomington, and that's really cool out of Indiana. College football is wild, guys.
I've loved jumping in the sport. I'm having a blast on Saturdays.

Speaker 7 Like you said, big cap,

Speaker 7 with NBC, trying different things. Like one of my favorite things, and you guys can relate to this, is they'll say, hey, let's do something random.

Speaker 7 I'm like, hey, this week, South Dakota is playing South Dakota State in football, and North Dakota's playing North Dakota State.

Speaker 7 Let's highlight the chaos in the sport because there's no shortage of it. I know you both love it, and I've loved jumping into it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, well, I mean, if we want to talk, the most chaotic storyline, and I've talked to Big Cat a little bit about this before.

Speaker 3 I don't know if we've really talked about that much on the air, but just look at Washington State's schedule this year. It is supreme chaos.
It is so crazy.

Speaker 3 They play against Oregon State twice this year. They travel all across the country playing anybody who will play against them.
They're like, we got a schedule to fill up.

Speaker 3 That's what I love about college football, just the craziness of it. You talked about Signetti.
Do you think that coaches now are like, hey, dude, what the fuck?

Speaker 3 Why did you turn this around so quickly? We've been selling three, four-year rebuilds everywhere that we go, and it's worked out pretty good. And then you just get in and you dominate.

Speaker 3 I'd be upset at him for that.

Speaker 7 Oh, it's true. Look, he's been the trendsetter.
I mean, Mike Gelko is the same way. And I just think in this new age,

Speaker 7 the era of like talking through processes and that it takes time and it takes patience, You know, when people are like, hey, like you guys shouldn't talk about that guy's seat being hot or you guys shouldn't talk about, look, I know coaches, I know humans have families and we get that side of it.

Speaker 7 But the fact is the amount of money that you're being compensated

Speaker 7 and the expectations to also, this is not a four-team playoff. It's not a BCS national championship game.

Speaker 7 You have a shot to make a 12-team playoff. If you're one of the mainstream programs, like Indiana was not in that realm.

Speaker 7 Indiana is like a destination type. But to your point, PFT, about the interim coach thing and, you know, change and

Speaker 7 the chaos in college football, like

Speaker 7 the, that's my thing. This sport is so wild.
This sport's so wild because I thought of Oregon State this past week. I love the Ed Orgeron sounding coach after the win over, was it Washington State?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was just going to say 10-7.

Speaker 7 We really,

Speaker 7 this sport is so chaotic, you could power rank the interim coaches.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, let me ask you: this is going to be a hard question. I hate to start you off like grilling you.
You know, we want to do softballs, we want to butter you up a little bit.

Speaker 3 I need you to tell me: is Indiana a football school or a basketball school, John?

Speaker 7 Well, I do believe that it's that it's both. I mean, I

Speaker 1 can't be popped out. No, you can't be two.
Pop out.

Speaker 3 You're not one.

Speaker 7 So,

Speaker 7 to me, here's my take on this:

Speaker 7 If Indiana football has their best season,

Speaker 1 right?

Speaker 7 Which now, what is their best season? Is it a national championship?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, absolutely. Within the realm.
Yes.

Speaker 7 If Indiana football has their very best season and Indiana basketball has their very best season, which today...

Speaker 7 Today, the fact is that's not a national championship. Like they are not a national title contender.

Speaker 7 But if they do, let's just say Darren DeVries gets them back to being a top three to five team in the country. They're going to have enough money.
They've got the brand power. The Big Ten is loaded.

Speaker 7 I always liken it to, okay, if you look at those two programs and they have their absolute best season, where is there more interest?

Speaker 7 And to me, there's more move the needle interest nationally with Indiana basketball if they are that damn great. And so my argument is Indiana will always be a basketball school first.
That's correct.

Speaker 3 That is absolutely correct. But the fact that it took you that long to explain why Indiana is a basketball school makes me think maybe it's a football school.

Speaker 1 Well, it's also the Indiana football Twitter is similar to Providence College Twitter, where it's like, you don't want to get on the wrong side of those guys.

Speaker 3 And I'm not saying that was a bad explanation, John. I'm saying that, like, for our entire lives, you ask that question and the answer, it's like, why did you ask me that stupid question?

Speaker 3 Of course, basketball. No.
The best part, if they do win a national championship in football, is going to be we get to all tell Indiana, yeah, you're a football school now.

Speaker 3 And they will secretly grow to resent the fact that their football team won an Addie because now they have to defend their basketball program.

Speaker 7 Well, the one thing that I thought about, and I agree with you, is that if somebody said, yeah, Sig's got a lifetime deal, you know, if he goes three and nine,

Speaker 7 they should start building the statue anyways. And Sig's never going to go three and nine.

Speaker 7 I think Kurt Signetti, I love him. Like, I don't know him, but like, Sig, I love you because I think you're yourself.

Speaker 7 And I love when the camera pants to your face and you've got like 70 different expressions throughout the game. That's what people love about Hurley.

Speaker 7 It's the it's what people love about a patino. It's what people love about like different figures in sport, which those are running low on the coaching side.

Speaker 7 But Sig's one of those guys where you're just like, you're captivated by it. But if Indiana basketball goes the comparable to three and nine, that's not okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 No matter if it's top night or if it's whoever the coach is, it's not okay if Indiana basketball is that bad.

Speaker 7 They got to get going. Like there's a side thing here as they hire Darren DeVries and think about it.
Like Purdue has dominated

Speaker 7 the sport of college basketball and the Big Ten in particular now in recent years, even though Michigan was the Big Ten tournament title. Like

Speaker 7 there are schools that

Speaker 7 your main sport,

Speaker 7 it doesn't just go away.

Speaker 7 It might be in the shadows, but it's like there's just certain places that you got to get good because the sport's better when you're good the sports better when you're playing meaningful games deep into a season like i i i think about that with like usc and nebraska football i was watching that game last saturday and i'm like i'm into this game a little bit it was during game seven of the world series but i was saying to myself like i want to see one of these two be up here right not six and two where when are they going to be eight seven and one or eight and oh yeah yeah no you're right you're right nebraska has kind of been trying to climb that hill for a while same with usc they have They've been trying to capture that back, that magic, because USC really should never be bad with what the talent they have in Southern California.

Speaker 1 I was watching the other night on Saturday night, and you threw out an idea. You said, why not call Dabo if you're one of these schools that's looking for a coach right now?

Speaker 1 Do you think there's a chance that could happen? Do you think that Dabo Sweeney could potentially not get fired from Clemson, but decide to leave on his own and do a fresh start somewhere else?

Speaker 7 1 million percent.

Speaker 7 I think that he is

Speaker 7 John Calapari going to Arkansas waiting to happen.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 7 Because I think things have run their course.

Speaker 7 You want to end things in a place

Speaker 7 where

Speaker 7 it wouldn't end pretty. And if he ever had to go back to Clemson, you know, I think the act

Speaker 7 for both sides, this is like

Speaker 7 a marriage that started out really strong and had some terrific memories, and you even had a couple of kids, and you're proud of what you produced.

Speaker 7 But then you get about, you know, 17, 18 years into it, and you wake up one morning and you say,

Speaker 7 Man, is this what I want to do for the rest of my life? And I am, by the way, like, I was the 14th seed on this show who met my wife for the three seed. So I just told her,

Speaker 7 I hope that she never wakes up and thinks that about my ass. But the point is, like, I want to be, I want us, honey, I want us to be together forever.

Speaker 7 I don't want us to get to 18 years and then, and then hang it up.

Speaker 7 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 7 Right. God bless you, Frees.
I mean, he's counting his dollars somewhere. But the fact is, like, if you're Dabo,

Speaker 7 you've kind of, like,

Speaker 7 somebody's got to say to him. I always think about with these coaches, does anyone get through to them? Like, some of them, the answer is no.

Speaker 7 But at some point, even Cal had someone get through to him and be like, look,

Speaker 7 there's still something in there. It's just not going to happen here.
And like when Cal made the 2016 this past year, remember the energy?

Speaker 1 Remember the feeling? Yeah.

Speaker 7 Like, think about Dabbo. He go, let's just say he goes to, I'm just going to throw it up.
Let's just say he goes to Virginia Tech. Like, I don't think that'll happen because it's within the ACC.

Speaker 7 But maybe he goes,

Speaker 7 maybe he takes Florida State or something.

Speaker 7 Maybe he takes Florida. I mean, I don't think Florida would do it, but let's just say he does something like that.

Speaker 7 I don't think LSU, I highly doubt that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 But he takes one of those programs to the playoff. All of a sudden, he writes something new

Speaker 7 that gives a different energy and sometimes more energy because that fan base has it, they haven't tasted it yet. The Clemson fans have tasted the top.

Speaker 7 Once you've tasted the top, it's so much harder to stay there, especially in this climate. So, for Dabo, your story's written at Clemson.

Speaker 7 I think it's probably best for both parties, for him to be elsewhere, and for Clemson to move forward in some other way, because it's run its course, guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I like this. You're selling me, Johnny.
You're selling me.

Speaker 3 Yeah, go to a place where they treat you like it's a new thing again. Yeah.

Speaker 1 New positions and stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you like a new

Speaker 7 career type of opportunity. Like,

Speaker 7 it's it gives you a fresh. And also like he's in the he's in a conference that he should be winning.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Like it's not working in the ACC.

Speaker 7 All right. So why, like if I were him, I'd be intrigued by the SEC.
You know why? They get five teams to the playoff.

Speaker 1 It's true. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I don't know if I'd be intrigued by Auburn, though. No, I feel like Auburn is.

Speaker 3 It's like the worst of both worlds because you have

Speaker 3 the SEC, which which draws you in. You're like, okay, go into an SEC school.
They care deeply and passionately about football. But at the same time, they do not tolerate, they have that expectation.

Speaker 3 Like, we're supposed to compete in the SEC. We've won two national championships in the last 25 years.
Go look on the side of our stadium. We just put up a new one.

Speaker 3 You can check that one out for yourself. And that's their expectation that they have.
And I don't think it's a very realistic expectation for Auburn football. So I feel like

Speaker 3 that would be a tough job to take. You need somebody that's got, that's like, you have to hit a home run with that hire for it to work.

Speaker 7 Yes, there are levels to this. There are levels to this.
That's why, like, he's got to go to,

Speaker 7 he's likely got to go to one of the best openings in the sport. But as we all know, the one biggest thing in college football right now is you're at $180 plus million dollars in buyout money.

Speaker 7 At this point, if you're going to fire your coach, do you realize that you're taking a number on a Saturday morning at a New York City deli during the holiday week?

Speaker 7 And you have to go and stand in that line.

Speaker 7 And that line is loaded with people who want a half pound of turkey breasts and a half pound of roast beef and a half pound of this. And you've like

Speaker 7 LSU is one of one still. I don't care about the governor.
Florida's one of one still. Penn State's one of one still.

Speaker 7 And if you are in that line and your name's not one of those three,

Speaker 7 you may not get your guy, the second guy, or the third guy. So if you're going to fire your coach now, there's only so many good names.
That's why actually

Speaker 7 I would turn it and say, Dabbo, if there were ever a time for you to leverage yourself, it's probably right now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, Johnny, I got a question for you because now that you are at NBC, I noticed also you tweeted something the other day about Miami being number two a couple weeks ago and now being out of the playoff.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 Miami is disappointing.

Speaker 1 This is what has happened to Miami the last few years. They fade.

Speaker 1 Every year in September, everyone says this team's different, and then they show up to ACC play and they don't do well.

Speaker 1 I think Mario's 4-11 in November and December. So

Speaker 1 that aside, and we don't know the rankings yet. We talked about them at the start of the show.
We're taping this before the ranks come out.

Speaker 1 You work for NBC now.

Speaker 1 My simple question to you is: if Miami's out of the playoffs, is Notre Dame out of the playoffs well today

Speaker 7 I would say that that yes they're both out of they're both out today okay because

Speaker 1 you know what I'm getting at here Miami actually Miami's loss hurts Notre Dame because Notre Dame and Miami now have the same record and Notre Dame to get in needs Miami to now lose another one.

Speaker 1 They need him to either be a one-loss team or a three-loss team because they played head-to-head and those games have to matter.

Speaker 7 But

Speaker 7 I think the Irish, if they win out, will make the playoffs.

Speaker 1 And what if Miami wins out?

Speaker 7 Also make the playoffs? I

Speaker 7 don't think so.

Speaker 1 Now, John, you can't have that. You can't have Miami with two losses out of the playoffs and Notre Dame with two losses in the playoffs.
This is the NBC showing. This is your NBC showing.

Speaker 7 Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
No, it's not. I'm not on the playoffs.

Speaker 7 I'm not on the playoffs committee. I don't decide who the teams are.
I just have a gut feeling, like you two do,

Speaker 7 that

Speaker 7 you know that this committee is going to like.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I said it right away after their first two losses. I was like, Notre Dame's still going to go to the playoff.

Speaker 7 And seasons evolve. I mean, whether anybody, like, Notre Dame and Miami are different teams than who they were on Labor Day weekend.

Speaker 5 They just are.

Speaker 1 But do the games matter, John?

Speaker 7 They're supposed to. But this is where the playoff commit.
I think Notre Dame will make the playoff. If I were making a bracket today,

Speaker 7 I likely would not put them there right here, right now. But I think that they will ultimately make it.
The reason why I say with Miami, I should address your question of if they win out.

Speaker 7 Well, here's the thing, big cat. If they win out, there's still no guarantees.

Speaker 7 In fact, the odds are stacked against them that they would get a chance to fight for an automatic bid because the ACC title game, it's all but out for them when you look at those those conference innings.

Speaker 7 Here they are at 2-2, and you got Virginia at 5-0, and Georgia Tech and Pittsburgh at 5-1, and then three other teams at 4-1.

Speaker 7 I think that

Speaker 7 there's no question, and this is more, like, I will, I'll say this about,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 7 I don't think, I really believe in this. Like, I'm not giving the company a lie.

Speaker 7 I don't think that we, we do a, we don't do a two-hour long pregame show on Saturday mornings like some of the other networks do, but I do think there is

Speaker 7 an issue in college football with the agendas and with the subjective nature of

Speaker 7 some of the beliefs and things.

Speaker 7 When I put that out there, it's because I look at Miami and I'm like, today they're not. No, yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm not stacking up against anybody.

Speaker 7 They're not a playoff team. But I think one of the other problems is that there's so much of the going-to-bat.
And when people are like, well, the committee doesn't look at that stuff. Come on.

Speaker 7 They're human beings like you and I. But even more like that, when people say, hey, what's the difference between college football and college basketball?

Speaker 7 Like college basketball on Selection Sunday, sometimes people go to bat for a team. But guys, at least half those people are going to bat for a mid-major.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Not going to bat for some high-major team that went 15 and 15. Yeah.
You know, like it's different. It's different.
So that side of it's been interesting to learn about this season.

Speaker 7 But I just believe that the Irish, if they win out, they're going to make the playoff. And I think Miami, I don't see Miami winning out.
If they do, it's obviously the case.

Speaker 7 But I just, there's nothing about their recent play that would suggest that they're going to do that.

Speaker 1 NBC Johnny.

Speaker 3 What if the two teams played each other? What if they played against each other?

Speaker 1 Yeah, hypothetically, who would win?

Speaker 3 Yeah, who would win that game?

Speaker 7 Today, Notre Dame.

Speaker 1 No, but who, but

Speaker 1 I like it. Okay, today.
Yeah. NBC Johnny.

Speaker 1 Listen, you got your welcome packet. I understand how it works.
You just talked about subjectiveness.

Speaker 1 You're a subjective guy now which i get it makes sense you got to be he he said hypothetically if they played yeah he didn't say he didn't say on labor day weekend when they played no no i said you can you can choose your own adventure like you could say yeah you know i i think notre dame

Speaker 3 i i think that it would be a big paycheck and a big spread oh wait i said the quiet part out loud yeah Yeah.

Speaker 1 We love you, Johnny.

Speaker 1 We get it.

Speaker 3 And the fact of the matter is, I don't think think it's an uniquely NBC situation.

Speaker 1 I just want to give you shit.

Speaker 3 I think Notre Dame, like, they are playing good football right now. They're playing better football than Miami is at the moment.
That's fair. And the committee does take that into account.

Speaker 3 We've seen that in the past with a lot of decisions that they've made going into this time of year. So it's not a secret.

Speaker 3 But if that does happen, I will completely and totally side with Miami Hurricanes fans in that situation.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you have to.

Speaker 7 In that situation. Remember, Notre Dame's got to keep winning.

Speaker 7 They have to win out, and they have to win that game at Pittsburgh on Saturday, November 15th. And I expect that to be a big game feel out of Pitt.
And that's a tough spot for Notre Dame.

Speaker 7 But I like CJ Carr and the way he's playing. And, you know, for Notre Dame, the biggest thing right now is their kicking situation.

Speaker 7 They exhausted three kickers on Saturday, so they need to find somebody who can kick the football.

Speaker 1 Well, we'll ask college football question for me, because you do cover the Big Ten.

Speaker 1 Is it truly, and I do think this is the case, that Ohio State, Indiana is very, very good. Indiana is probably the second best team.
They might be number one ranked

Speaker 1 when you're listening to this. I think Ohio State is that much better than everyone else.

Speaker 1 And we've asked this question to everyone who covers college football: is this Ohio State team better than last year's Ohio State team? Without question. Oh,

Speaker 1 yeah. I like that they are.

Speaker 7 Because that defense is just filthy. I mean, Arvell Reese and Sonny Styles, Caleb Downs, and it's the Patricia Factors Real.

Speaker 7 And to me, I mean,

Speaker 7 they protect Julian San.

Speaker 7 And as a result, like when you have, like, guys,

Speaker 7 it is crazy to say this, okay? Jeremiah Smith has 26 touchdowns in 24 football games.

Speaker 7 He has 26 touchdowns in 24 football games.

Speaker 7 He shows up and it's, he shows up and it's 7-0, if not 14-0 before you've snapped the ball. And they don't allow points.
What are they?

Speaker 7 They've only allowed 53 points thus far this season around that number. I mean, come on.

Speaker 7 How do you score on them? The only formula that I would love to just see, and I, because I'm curious, I want to see, and we'll see it. I think we could see it in the playoff.

Speaker 7 I mean, hell, we saw the national championship game. Notre Dame went, remember, Notre Dame went right down the field and scored a touchdown.

Speaker 7 And then for the better part of the game from there, Ohio State dominated the line of scrimmage. But to me, it's like there's no game pressure on Ohio State.
There's none.

Speaker 7 Because they can fall back on their defense. And Saiyan's smart.
Like Saiyan's not getting enough credit. He's smart enough to know if I don't make mistakes.
we're going to beat virtually anybody.

Speaker 7 So Big Cat, I believe that they are. I believe that they're destined to be in the national championship game at the very least.

Speaker 7 But it is amazing because, you know, you sit here and we love everything, all the twists and turns with this sport. And the fact is,

Speaker 7 I didn't feel it last year when they won it all.

Speaker 7 I didn't. I was a little contrarian when they went and won it all.
But now I feel it more this year. You know, I'm not saying there's any job on the line, but I'm just saying.

Speaker 7 You got to go into the big house and win that football game. Yes.
Like, because you won a national championship,

Speaker 7 you got to get the burden off your back of getting owned in this rivalry in recent years. And Michigan's still tough, and they do have a formula, and they'll have the crowd on their side and all that.

Speaker 7 That's the next thing that I've got circled.

Speaker 7 But yeah, Ohio State has absolutely just dominated their way through this thing because they play smart football and they got the best defense.

Speaker 7 They got one of the best defenses we've seen the last 25 years in college football.

Speaker 1 If you get in the red zone, you don't score on him. It's crazy.
It's nuts to watch.

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Do you think that there's a chance that

Speaker 3 obviously Indiana looks like they'll win out? Ohio State, very likely. They could win out as well.
They'll play each other.

Speaker 3 Is there a chance that the loser of that game does not get a buy, does not become one of the top four seeds?

Speaker 7 I would think that

Speaker 7 it would depend on

Speaker 7 what the game looks like, like what the score looks like. Is it a 35-point game? And then has there been reason to believe that there's somebody else that should jump? But I kind of liken it to like,

Speaker 7 and it's only because of the sample size. We also haven't had this in college football, right? Where

Speaker 7 they actually reward the four best.

Speaker 7 But like even when

Speaker 7 Auburn was struggling last year, they still got a one seed because they had built up so much rapport.

Speaker 7 And I do think there's a world where that committee shows up on Saturday morning and says, unless there's an injury or something that is really just catastrophic for either side, we believe in their value as a top four team.

Speaker 7 Also, we don't want to stay up until 1145 and meet in the conference room again. Yeah.

Speaker 7 They're going to be a top four team. So if Ohio State and Indiana go in there, there's always a sliver.
But like my answer is I don't see either one of those teams not in the top four.

Speaker 1 All right, let's shift real quick to college basketball. It is back.
We made it. I know this is your favorite time.
I do love Feast Week. We're a couple weeks away.

Speaker 1 It's one of my favorite weeks of the year.

Speaker 1 Like big picture going into the season. There's some really good teams.
Give us your top three teams and has it changed at all from watching on Monday night with Coapete in

Speaker 1 Arizona and how insanely good he was.

Speaker 7 Reward him. Reward him.
Purdue, Houston, Arizona. Wow.

Speaker 1 My top three right here, right now.

Speaker 7 I'm buying the CoA Pete train. And I think Jaden Bradley is the perfect steadying the ship guy for Arizona basketball.
And when you look at their pedigree,

Speaker 7 Tommy Lloyd has been outstanding. He has won close to 80% of the games that he's coached in right around there.
It's because his teams are just so loaded with talent.

Speaker 7 And Pete, his ability to just own the game was incredible, guys. I mean, that is just the second Big 12 freshman ever to have a stat line like that in their debut.

Speaker 7 You don't just come in and do that. If they've got the right pieces in their front court, you know, I think a lot of people were concerned about how they would match up with Florida's front line.

Speaker 7 Forget about it.

Speaker 7 They're stacked with depth there, but they got as good a freshman as any in the country, and they've got the right guard in Bradley.

Speaker 7 Like Brayton Burrys was not particularly good in this opener, but I like his upside, and I think big picture he'll be all right. But Arizona is right there.
Houston's not going anywhere.

Speaker 7 Like Kelvin Sampson just got his 800th win, and he's driven to get back to that Final Four and fulfill his own destiny.

Speaker 7 Milos Juzan, Emmanuel Sharp, the freshman that people aren't talking about is Chris Senak. I think as he progresses along, we'll be big time.
And then, guys,

Speaker 7 there's no bigger story this year. You know, but we can get to it in a second on the freshman.
The freshman class is the biggest story. I can tell you why in a moment.

Speaker 7 But in terms of teams, the final four is in Indianapolis.

Speaker 7 You know, you guys have been doing your live shows at the final four.

Speaker 7 How much would you love a final four show from downtown Indy with Braden Smith, Fletcher Lawyer, Trey Kaufman Wren, good guy, everybody's good guy, Matt Payner, and Purdue, potentially finally getting over the hump and winning it all.

Speaker 7 Like, Payne is one of the beloved guys in the sport. They've been so close.
The Big Ten's trying to snap this title drought. This is as strong of a shot as any for that drought to end.

Speaker 7 And the Boilers have the pieces to cut down the nets and could do it in their home state. That gives me chills.

Speaker 1 I don't like Purdue, so I don't want that to happen. But But yes, that would be a cool story for people who are romantic about college basketball.

Speaker 3 If you're a Purdue hater, it could even be better. It could be Purdue losing in the championship game in Indy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 You have that upside too.

Speaker 7 They can get all the way there and they could meet Dan Hurley in UConn again. And then there you go.

Speaker 7 That could also happen.

Speaker 3 So when you're talking about freshmen, were you going to talk about Darren Peterson? Because I've read a lot about this Darren Peterson kid, and he looked really, really good the other night.

Speaker 3 Is he as good as I've heard that he is?

Speaker 7 Yes.

Speaker 7 Yes. He can have a season like when Carmelo Anthony led Syracuse to a national championship.

Speaker 1 That'd be a pretty good season.

Speaker 7 That's the kind of impact Darren Peterson can have on Kansas. Because this Kansas team around Darren Peterson on paper,

Speaker 7 they've got some different things

Speaker 7 that I would look at and say, okay, I'm a little bit...

Speaker 7 I'm a little bit concerned about big picture, but Peterson makes them go. And Florey Bedunga is a mobile postman who can cause problems for a defense.
They brought in Melvin Counsel Jr. from St.

Speaker 7 Bonaventure. I really like him.
They brought in Trey White from Illinois. I really like him.

Speaker 7 But it's not like, like, Kansas sometimes has this luxury of toys, and you're just like, man, they're going to, they're no longer the, hey, we just dominate the Big 12 Kansas.

Speaker 7 Houston's taking that torch. And Houston.
will win the Big 12 again, in my estimation. But Kansas has the most game-changing player

Speaker 7 out of the Big 12. Yes, even more so than A.J.
DeBonsa. Like Peterson, Peterson for me is he is

Speaker 1 he's won.

Speaker 7 He's won today. I think that he is just a super

Speaker 1 talent.

Speaker 7 And he and Bill Self, you know, this is another storyline. Bill Self, we don't know how much longer he's going to coach.
Had a bit of a health scare in the offseason. Coach Self.
We love you.

Speaker 7 We're glad that you're back on the sidelines.

Speaker 7 You're a legend. You're a Hall of Famer.
But we don't know how much longer he's going to go on the sidelines.

Speaker 7 What would it mean for him if he can get on one more final four run with this star-studded potential number one pick? And that's just it, guys.

Speaker 7 I'm telling you right now, college basketball is about to have extra juice.

Speaker 7 One, because you've got a lot of players who have stayed for the money, and that has helped the sport the last couple of years.

Speaker 7 The three of us have talked about it. But when is college basketball at its absolute best?

Speaker 7 It's at its absolute best when people are talking about players who are leading title contenders and could also hear their name called as the number one, number two, number three picks in the NBA draft.

Speaker 7 The NBA draft could have the top six be college freshmen. Cameron Boozer is a winner.
He's won everywhere he's gone, and he's on a team that could win it. Darren Peterson is too.
A.J.

Speaker 7 DeBond says, well, and now CoAP enters the conversation. So this freshman class, and I didn't even get to Mikkel Brown in Louisville.

Speaker 1 Like, the Louisville. Oh, you didn't.
I was wondering if you were going to get to him.

Speaker 7 Louisville, Kentucky's back.

Speaker 1 That rivalry is back. I love that.
It's going to be

Speaker 7 blood. I'm telling you, the coaches will say publicly that they respect each other and that they love each other.
These two coaches want to beat the hell out of each other.

Speaker 7 Pat Kelsey and Mark Pope quietly. There's some of this going on, and you're going to see that clash.
That's next week. So get ready for a taste of that.

Speaker 7 The rivalry is back in a big damn way because Kentucky spent over $20 million on their roster and Louisville, they spent a lot too.

Speaker 7 But Kelsey's got this, Kelsey's kind of this revolutionary, energetic presence. Brown's really good, and they've got a bunch of pieces around him that I think have a chance to shine.

Speaker 7 The Cardinals are here to stay, and so is Kentucky. All right,

Speaker 1 I'm fired the hell up. Max has a question for you that he would like to ask, and it's actually not about Kevin Willard, who was at your wedding.

Speaker 1 We should all make sure that we say that every single time.

Speaker 1 When he leaves Villanova in three years, you're going to come on this show and be like, don't worry, guys. He's actually a great guy.
But either way,

Speaker 1 Max, you have a question for Johnny Football/slash Basketball.

Speaker 1 I think we're about 31 minutes into this interview. Yeah, we haven't had one mention of the Big East.
Do you hate the Big East and do you hate Italians now?

Speaker 7 Do you see the subject matter, Max? I love the Big East and I love Italians. Are you kidding me?

Speaker 7 I'm sitting here in a hotel room in Omaha right now, getting ready to start our NBC sports coverage of college basketball with Creighton and the South Dakota Coyotes on Wednesday night. There we go.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 7 I'm heading to Hartford on Friday to call a Yukon game. And then Saturday, I'm at Mohegan Sun because we've got South Florida and George Washington.
But then we've got Providence and Virginia Tech.

Speaker 7 There we go. And all those.
All the friar faithful are going to make Mohegan Sun. They're going to be betting $100 on black and then going in the arena and they're going to be drinking.

Speaker 7 And it's going to be crazy. So I love the biggies and I love Italians.
I love meatballs. Meatballs, prayer, and hoops is where this, that was from this show.
That's how that even became a thing.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 7 I'm always indebted to the Big East. The Big East opened up a door for me out of college to get into college basketball, this glorious sport.

Speaker 7 And guys, this is the only league where a coach, Richard Petino, and Xavier, did you guys see this? They barely beat Marist. And Richard gives out grades for his performance.

Speaker 7 If you look at the first reply, it's from an account named Jerome Hunter Fan Club for a guy that played at Xavier now a couple years ago.

Speaker 7 And the guy says, Coach, I didn't drink as much, you know, as I'd like to. My beer performance wasn't very good.
Petino replies immediately and says, do better next time out.

Speaker 7 Like, come on, that's this league in November. This league is 365 days a year basketball.
It's always got a place at the table. And UConn and St.

Speaker 7 John's, I can't get through three minutes of a space without these two fan bases cursing each other out.

Speaker 7 Dick, I'm not kidding you. I am fully expecting, like,

Speaker 7 at the garden and when the other matchups in Hartford, to a lesser degree, because it's in Hartford and UConn fan, just fill it up.

Speaker 7 But, like, I don't think that those two fan bases can sit near each other without a full-on brawl breaking out.

Speaker 1 We got to do like,

Speaker 1 you know, European soccer where it's, you know, bisection and have just security standing in between them.

Speaker 3 The Red River shootout where you got the two sides of the stadium yeah

Speaker 7 and i love when i ask dan hurley about the rivalry and he doesn't shy away from it and looks into the camera and said there's tension

Speaker 7 there's tension that's good nice it's real there's no love lost it's real and those two guys

Speaker 7 they remember they're both in the top five like we talked about all these national storylines max you know this like right now the yukon st.

Speaker 7 johns thing has never been hotter and if you think that those two programs want the best for one another I'm here to tell you they'll they'll they'll be fine with them winning in non-con because it only bolsters them when they meet but when they meet it is gonna be

Speaker 7 absolutely old school 80s type physicality and college hoops needs that they need the pettiness they need the the the commentary because it it helps the sport cut through and break through.

Speaker 7 It's a good thing. And that Petino-Hurley rivalry, guys, that's as that's as big a rivalry as you're going to see.
Even if they deflect it, you can't deflect it. It's this UConn-St.

Speaker 7 John superiority thing. And St.
John swept UConn last year, but UConn won the last two national championships prior to that. So now you got this.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you want to say anything about Kevin Willard and Villanova?

Speaker 7 Well, I'd love to get Max's, like, I'd be curious to get his thought, but Max, I would say I was encouraged by the opener because I thought that could go sideways and they could end up, you know, that could be a double-digit loss.

Speaker 7 That's a no-harm loss to BYU. And Bryce Lindsay looked terrific.
What did you think?

Speaker 1 First half looked like it

Speaker 1 could have been ugly, but, you know, I think Willard got them in a right headspace going into the second half. And then Bryce Lindsay caught fire, and that's all we needed.

Speaker 1 The thing that I was most encouraged about is the thing that most Villanova fans were scared of going into this season is that the front court is pretty weak and rebounding against a team as athletic as BYU and then

Speaker 1 out-rebounding them last night meant that Kevin Willer just got the boys like ready to go for that game. They were out hustling.

Speaker 1 They were out working BYU, which is encouraging to see because it's not something that we have seen a lot of the past couple of years.

Speaker 1 And at least we didn't have the guys to finish that game, but they were ready to play, I thought. Yeah.
Okay, good backs.

Speaker 7 Willer was committed with his rotation in the second half. You know, he, a Caden Lewis did sit down.
He's going to be, I think he could be a one-year-old.

Speaker 1 He's got to be better. Akaden Lewis has got to be better than last night.
But first game.

Speaker 7 And he will, and I think he will be, and I think you'll see them progress. And I actually think that they are going to be,

Speaker 7 I think they'll be bubbly Max, but I think they could be on the right side of the bubble after watching them last night.

Speaker 7 That would be a win.

Speaker 1 That would be a win. That would be a

Speaker 1 successful season. I like bubbly Nova.

Speaker 3 Maybe first four out for Nova?

Speaker 1 That would be huge. No, that would not be huge.
Dude, first four out.

Speaker 7 I'm kind of thinking last four and for Nova right now.

Speaker 1 Last four and I don't disagree.

Speaker 3 My bracketology, I actually just did my bracketology before we started this conversation. I don't have any teams listed except for Villanova in my first four out section.

Speaker 7 I have Miami in my first four out. Okay.

Speaker 1 First four out. All right, Johnny, I got one last question for you.
This has always been great. We'll have you on throughout the course of the year.
Love that college basketball is back.

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Oh, oh, that was.

Speaker 7 I was going to say to you, I'm so glad you didn't ask me about them, but that's why this is the robot question.

Speaker 1 You have to.

Speaker 1 Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 7 I mean,

Speaker 7 here's the thing with this situation, okay? I am, and I am heading to MetLife

Speaker 7 on Sunday. I'm going to this game between the Browns and the Jets because my wife, when the schedule came out, she said we need to go to the game.
I was like, okay,

Speaker 7 fun family Sunday. Could go to a farm or a pumpkin patch.
No,

Speaker 7 let's head and watch these two go up against each other, Aaron Glenn, and Kevin Stefanski. I mean, it's literally now with what the Jets did at the trade deadline, this is probably,

Speaker 7 it's as close to like an XFL type of game that you're going to probably see in the National Football League. It just is.
I mean, here's the thing.

Speaker 7 The one thing that makes me,

Speaker 7 and you guys have baited me into this, the one thing that makes me, and now I'm biting

Speaker 7 the fishing rod.

Speaker 7 The thing that makes me more

Speaker 7 annoyed than anything is when there are people out there who say that the Browns are sabotaging Shador Sanders.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 They drafted him.

Speaker 1 They

Speaker 7 called and drafted him. They took him in the NFL draft.

Speaker 1 Also,

Speaker 7 I'm 30.

Speaker 1 I'm 30.

Speaker 7 I have not had one

Speaker 7 stable quarterback presence.

Speaker 7 And it's not, and yeah, Baker is now. But Baker went through multiple teams before he got to this level, and he wasn't stable.
And that's also on the Browns. Like, there's two sides to every story.

Speaker 7 There's three sides to every story.

Speaker 7 Both sides are at fault for that. But my point is: I have never had

Speaker 7 a stable quarterback in Cleveland.

Speaker 7 Don't you think that if this guy could have an iota of playmaking and leadership and presence, that he would have gotten into the game by now?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a good point. It's fair.

Speaker 7 It's not like we're talking about some rich competition with people slinging it. And I went to training camp and I watched Dylan Gabriel throw.
And the moment I watched him throw, I'm like, look,

Speaker 7 the kid seems nice and mature. But, you know, nice and mature

Speaker 7 does not equivocate to winning football games. And I'm watching him and I'm like, he's just not big enough to play the position in the National Football League.

Speaker 7 The fact that Sanders hasn't gotten in yet

Speaker 7 pretty much says it all about Sanders. I hope that he...

Speaker 7 Look, at this point, I want to see him play because everything about this conversation, every single week, it's become stale and nauseating, and I'm tired. And

Speaker 3 the Browns are so limited. They don't have a wide receiver.

Speaker 7 They don't have a wide receiver. Like, Jerry Judy's not a wide receiver one or two right now.
He's just not. And I think the frustrating thing is you get the Miles Garrett payday.

Speaker 7 And now every week, Miles Garrett's saying, like, this is what's wrong with us. It's like, Miles, I love you.
But, like, you knew what you were signing up for. You got to be a leader.

Speaker 7 Like, you're a great player, Miles. You're a Hall of Famer.
I love you. But, guys,

Speaker 7 they need a total reset. They're going to have to get a complete reset.
I don't know what the owner thinks, but I'm here to tell you right now, the writing's on the wall.

Speaker 7 The Browns, they've got eight of the top 150 draft picks in the next draft. They can't have the people who have made the picks in the past make them again.

Speaker 7 They need to take out the shovel, or excuse me, not shovel. They need to bring in like the, you know, the stadium detonation crew.

Speaker 7 The whole thing's got to come down and you got to get new people in there. That's the end of story.

Speaker 7 And as for Shador Sanders, guys, I hope I see him this Sunday at Mad Life because every week, Kat and PFT, every week these people say the Browns are ruining. The Browns are this.

Speaker 7 Like, okay, just play. What do you have to, you have nothing to lose, and I'm here to watch it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I agree with that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think it's worth just taking a look and seeing what you got. But yeah, the preseason discourse of

Speaker 3 the offensive line line isn't blocking for Shador.

Speaker 3 You don't believe that? That sounded legit to me when I heard that. I was like, yeah, these guys are trying to make an NFL roster, but they also have the opportunity to make Shador look silly.

Speaker 3 So they're probably going to go with a silly option.

Speaker 1 They drafted him.

Speaker 7 And people are like, oh, they're sabotaging.

Speaker 1 They're the ones who picked him.

Speaker 7 And people are like, well,

Speaker 7 he could be situationally better somewhere else.

Speaker 1 Where?

Speaker 7 Colorado? I hope he pans out. I do.
Guys,

Speaker 7 like, like, there's going to be Twitter that reacts to this. It's going to be somebody on Twitter that says, Fanta hate Shador.

Speaker 1 No, no, no.

Speaker 7 I literally pray every night. I pray for my son, my wife, and the Browns to find a damn quarterback.
And if Shador Sanders,

Speaker 7 if he goes in there and actually slings it, then you know the house cleaning I talked about? It should happen like during the game. Because that means that

Speaker 7 you put Dylan Gabriel. Remember, they drafted Gabriel in the third round.
That to me,

Speaker 7 that's the biggest, because Gabriel probably would have been there in the fifth round. They drafted him in the third round of the National Football League draft.

Speaker 7 I just, and then Flacco goes to Cincinnati and he's putting up over 40 points. I can't.
I just, I can't wrap my head around.

Speaker 7 They were in the playoffs less than 24 months ago, and now they're back to square one. Yeah.
This is my life as a football fan.

Speaker 7 It's why I've been relatively quiet this season because I'm out of words.

Speaker 3 I think maybe what the Browns need to do is they need to have different guys draft offensive players and defensive players. It's a different skill set.
You guys are really good at drafting defense.

Speaker 3 Yep. Right? You don't want to miss out on that.
Right now, I think you've got a great defense.

Speaker 3 I think that the defense right now, it's like, yeah, if I'm looking at the Browns as a three, four-year project, I could see him being good in a couple of years.

Speaker 3 But then I remind myself they would need to draft some guys on offense, too. And that's not really, I guess they can draft running backs.
There's two sides to the ball, to the game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just bring in a quarterback guy. Yeah.
Yeah, bring in a quarterback guy.

Speaker 7 We haven't had a kicker. And

Speaker 7 I mean, we just,

Speaker 7 we just cannot. It's, guys,

Speaker 7 pray for me.

Speaker 7 I can't, you know, I just, Sunday, I feel like I'm going to church with these Jet fans. Like, I'm going to reach across the aisle and give them a hug.
We're in the same, we're all in this together.

Speaker 7 That Browns Jets game.

Speaker 7 I know you two are avid football viewers and you love it. I can't wait to get any sort of in-game Theo update vibe from.

Speaker 7 You're going to have to keep an eyeball at times on what's happening within that game. Oh, we'll have it on TV.

Speaker 1 We have every game on in the cave. It will probably be the side TV.

Speaker 3 But yeah, we'll have it on. Instead of the national anthem, they should do peace be with you.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I can't believe you're going to that game. Are you bringing your, it's supposed to be raining and like miserable?

Speaker 7 My son is not coming.

Speaker 1 My son is not coming.

Speaker 7 My wife really wanted. She wanted to go.
And I've got a buddy coming in from Cleveland.

Speaker 7 So it's one of those things where this has been, you know, you ever set something on the calendar in the sports world. Yep.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 7 But you know what, guys? I will wake up Sunday morning. This is the power of the National Football League.

Speaker 7 We will all wake up on Sunday morning and hope springs eternal.

Speaker 7 It's amazing how it does that on a Sunday morning. You get in the shower and you just feel like, you know what? Today could be the day.
Today could be the day I find something out.

Speaker 7 I didn't know yet about my team.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yep.
You could. You're right.
You could. I think you could win that game.
So.

Speaker 7 Yeah, we could, but what, but it could cost us whatever. We probably could.

Speaker 7 I can't believe we beat the Packers.

Speaker 1 The Packers have had the strangest season at this point.

Speaker 7 Yeah. How strange has three season been? Yeah, two really bad losses on there.

Speaker 3 Yep. And a tie.

Speaker 7 And a tie. A tie to Dallas who stinks.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It is. It's a very bizarre season for the Packers.
They're seemingly a good team, but they then have dropped these wild games.

Speaker 1 All right, Johnny, you're the best. We love you.
And have fun at Creighton. Have fun at MetLife.
You're going to Hartford on Friday? You're everywhere.

Speaker 7 So Hartford Friday. And then here we go.
Mohegan Sun Saturday. We got South Florida.
Brian Hodgson has the American. They could win the American.
It's them in Memphis. USF could win it.

Speaker 7 They're taking on George Washington. The Revolutionaries, they have a team that's dangerous.
Watch out for George Washington and the Atlantic 10. A10 could get a couple bids this year.

Speaker 7 In our second game, we have Providence and Virginia Tech. Both teams look like dark horses in their respective leagues, the Big East and the ACC.
Then, guys,

Speaker 7 and

Speaker 7 I'm excited about this. I'm hopping in the car from Mohegan Sun.
I'm driving to the studio. Saturday night, we've got Notre Dame and Navy, but you can...

Speaker 7 Bet your tail, I'll have your game break updates and some stuff at the half, and we'll have you covered on NBC for the Irish and Navy. I love it.

Speaker 1 I love it. Well, John, you're the best.
We love you having you on, and we'll talk soon. And also, next time, if you're ever in Chicago again and you don't at least text, I will be.

Speaker 1 He came here a couple weeks ago, not even a text. I don't need you to come by.
I need you to text and just be like, hey, I'm around.

Speaker 3 You've got to layover at O'Hare.

Speaker 1 Just text. Just send a text, a courtesy.

Speaker 7 We're going to make it happen.

Speaker 7 Early days without knowing anything.

Speaker 7 I believe February, I will be in the Chicago area.

Speaker 1 And you have my word.

Speaker 7 You won't just get a text shoot. You may very well get a visit.
Oh, Music.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and if we're on vacation, the second week of February, I'm going to cancel my vacation.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I will too.

Speaker 1 Cancel the vacation. Well, be careful on that.

Speaker 7 You know,

Speaker 7 I don't want you to do any of that. But I love you guys and love the show and appreciate our friendship.
And you know what? Like, you guys do, we always have fun talking. Like, I freaking love,

Speaker 7 it's really been fun to jump into college football, and I love college sports. You can talk about all the chaos and all that stuff.
That's all, that's the beauty in it.

Speaker 7 The beauty is sometimes in the disaster, and

Speaker 7 it's not a disaster to me. It's the best.
So, I appreciate you guys for having me. Thank you.
Thank you, John.

Speaker 1 Thanks, John. We'll talk to you later.

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Speaker 1 What the fuck?

Speaker 3 We got some breaking moves right now. Memes, you

Speaker 3 sauce Gardner has been traded to the Indianapolis Colts.

Speaker 1 Rap sheeted in Rapport. Whoa.

Speaker 1 Damn.

Speaker 1 Memes? Thoughts? Wait, what?

Speaker 1 Oh, that's... That's...
Those are the thoughts.

Speaker 3 This is actually the start of a bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 This is not going to be good.

Speaker 3 Sauce just tweeted out, New York, it's been real.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 1 Memes, what are your thoughts? I don't know. So this is going to be at the end of the show.

Speaker 1 We're about to do part in your takes.

Speaker 1 You'll probably hear more.

Speaker 1 You probably already heard good thoughts from memes. This is just straight up.
We're recording, we recorded part of the show at the beginning of the day. This is

Speaker 1 as natural as

Speaker 1 go savage mode.

Speaker 1 Memes, I don't know. What are you going to say?

Speaker 3 He's in shock.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 You got to see the deal. You got to see what you got.

Speaker 3 They had him signed till 2030. Yeah, so you might have gotten a haul for him.
Great move by the Colts. Two first-round picks.

Speaker 3 That's a lot. You got a lot for him.
Two first-round picks is a lot.

Speaker 1 That's a rebuild.

Speaker 1 Doesn't he love golf too much? He does love golf. Right? Theme of the day?

Speaker 1 Oh, man. Two first-round picks is good, memes.

Speaker 1 Memes.

Speaker 1 He's not even talking. He's just a little bit more.

Speaker 1 This wasn't even...

Speaker 1 Oh, that just means everybody's available. That's not good.
That's not good.

Speaker 4 Pagers need to get breast.

Speaker 1 Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 Yes, memes. Oh, that's good.
That's mean.

Speaker 4 No, he's right.

Speaker 3 You do need to shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 I think this is good for them. This is good for the rebuild, dude.

Speaker 3 Two first rounders, memes. You can do a lot with that.

Speaker 1 What if you just collect all of the first rounders? You could get it. You could get the whole.

Speaker 1 You get the whole first round.

Speaker 1 Dude, this is actually good for you. You're not going to be good for a couple years.

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 1 Right. So now

Speaker 1 you can go so much defense.

Speaker 1 And you get like a really good cornerback.

Speaker 1 That's fucked up. That's me, too.

Speaker 1 That was fucked up. That was fucked up.
Sorry. Memes, think about it this way.

Speaker 3 You got two first-round picks. That's a lot.
That's a lot. That sounds like a good haul.
Also, Sauce being on the Colts,

Speaker 3 there's a good chance that he can then defeat Hank's Patriots in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 For you,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 Also, what if Daniel Jones becomes Daniel Jones again? Those picks could be really good picks.

Speaker 4 Yeah, now we're talking. Yeah, now we're talking.
Now we're talking.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we want

Speaker 4 memes.

Speaker 1 Now we're talking. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 Bighead's right.

Speaker 4 Memes, we want the Colts to tank.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you just root for Daniel Jones to be Daniel Jones again, either this year or next year, and you could have a top 10 pick. Yep.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is sad. Okay.
Yeah. I'm sorry.
Well, it sucks. People heard memes explain it better at the beginning of the show.

Speaker 1 You did do a better job. You were a lot more.

Speaker 3 I think there was a bigger argument.

Speaker 1 There was a bigger argument.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Pardon your take.

Speaker 4 Pardon your take. The NFL has conspired with all kickers to suck for the Falcons, and they won't allow them to sign Rodrigo blanketship because he would put them over the top.

Speaker 3 Oh, that's the missing piece.

Speaker 1 Did Rodrigo write that? Yeah. I think he might have.
I think he did. That's definitely.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I agreed, Rodrigo. Thanks for listening to the show.

Speaker 3 We're big fans of you. We're a huge fans.
Come on the pod sometime.

Speaker 1 We'd love to have you on. Great take.
That's the one. I think most people were like, hey, where's my Rodrigo take?

Speaker 3 There it is. The one thing the Falcons have been missing is Blankenship.
We've been saying that. I do think that...
Any kicker that wears that uniform, like, you have to overcome a lot.

Speaker 3 Either bring back Young Weiku, or I think they were going to sign Zane, right? Yeah. I think they were going to

Speaker 3 sign Zane. He's good.

Speaker 1 Have you seen his... He does

Speaker 1 a video every week, and it's like making this video until I get signed by another NFL team. And then he's like, I will be making the longest field goals of the week until somebody signs me.

Speaker 3 Oh, Zane does that?

Speaker 1 No, Rodrigo does that. Oh.

Speaker 1 So that's probably... Yeah.
If this isn't actually Rodrigo, it's somebody who's watching those videos.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's Rodrigo, dude.

Speaker 1 You know what I might do?

Speaker 3 I might do that same weekly video, the shortest field goal of the week. I'll make it every week.
That's a guarantee. First try.

Speaker 1 What I might do is I might do a video of me watching Rodrigo do his video and then tell people to sign Rodrigo. Reacts.
Yeah. A reaction video.

Speaker 3 What was the shortest field goal last week? Probably like 27 yards?

Speaker 3 30 yards?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You got that. Yeah.

Speaker 4 You just love things that are short. Oh.

Speaker 3 Damn, that was good.

Speaker 1 Wait, but wait. That's like.

Speaker 3 You love yourself. Oh, I love myself.
You love yourself.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I love myself.

Speaker 1 We promote self-love. We do.
What's that song? Hey, I love.

Speaker 1 I don't know that song.

Speaker 1 And I don't mean anything.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 I think Memes wrote this one.

Speaker 4 Hey, Badger Cat, Duke PFT, and Spartan Hank. Comebacks are not as impressive as I don't know what Spartan is.

Speaker 1 I don't know where he became Michigan State, but I like it.

Speaker 3 Throughout the winding journey of this podcast, I don't recall you ever being.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he did do one thing. One,

Speaker 4 my Big Ten journey. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Comebacks are not as impressive as everyone says they are. It's the team that is down's fault that they are down.
Comebacks are just wins the same way that any other win is a win.

Speaker 4 Specifically, I hate the glazing over the Patriots coming back from down 28-3. It's Tom Brady's fault that they scored three points through almost three quarters.

Speaker 4 It's bogus as hell that he gets more credit when he's the one that put them in the spot. That is a take.
That is a take. Talk about parting your take.

Speaker 3 Like, comebacks actually suck. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was, I mean, it's like Brett Favre used to

Speaker 1 be down because he was playing bad, and then he would have a game-winning drive. It's like, holy shit.
Well, yeah, he's kind of right. He did it.

Speaker 1 You could have just played like you played in the fourth quarter in the first quarter. You never would have had to do it.
So the Broncos, 33 points in the fourth quarter, is that impressive?

Speaker 1 Why not just score a few points in the the first half and you don't have to score 33?

Speaker 3 By the same token, would you say that blowing a comeback actually isn't that bad because you got the lead in the first place? Yeah. You'd have to say both, right?

Speaker 3 So you have to say, like, Dan Quinn, great job in that Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Awesome Super.

Speaker 3 He outcoached Bill Belichick.

Speaker 1 For a majority of the Super Bowl. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Over half the game.

Speaker 3 I think you'd have to. I do like the take, though.

Speaker 1 It's a good take.

Speaker 1 Weird take.

Speaker 4 Why the fuck don't two-point conversion stats count?

Speaker 4 If QB throws an interception on a two-point conversion, they should be dinged for an interception.

Speaker 4 Sacks, fumbles, et cetera, quite possibly the dumbest shit ever. And it's right in front of our faces.
That guy lost. Fantasy.

Speaker 3 Fantasy. Fantasy.

Speaker 1 You do get it. No, you get it.

Speaker 1 That guy had a receptions prop that didn't count. Yes.
Because that is bullshit. I am 1,000% on this guy's side.
It's meaningful into the game.

Speaker 1 That's more meaningful than a random. You should count two-yard walks on a mirror and get a touchdown.

Speaker 1 Also, walks should count towards total bases yes that's a crazy one although that would fuck with all of the other like the juice on all of those okay fine but still i i

Speaker 3 got on base nine times i relearn that every single year in baseball betting on baseball walks don't count they don't oh but i agree with this guy there should be it should fall in

Speaker 1 it should be its own category

Speaker 3 it should be two-point conversion yeah but no the reception should count yeah the reception should count i'm waiting for the one-point safety

Speaker 3 yeah That would be awesome.

Speaker 4 All right, last one. Sup, boys.
Why don't teams use a big boy as running back at the goal line anymore?

Speaker 4 I.e., the Bears using the fridge in the 85 Super Bowl. Hand the ball to your biggest guy and let them bulldoze defenders into the end zone.

Speaker 3 Speed. I agree.
Listen, fullbacks, I love fullbacks, and I think that there's a place for them in the game. Patrick Ricard, Derrick Henry's rushing yards went way up when he got back.

Speaker 3 Although he did get Ricard got pushed around a little bit this past weekend, but that's fine.

Speaker 3 He'll bounce back from it. But I agree.
I think that.

Speaker 3 we tried, though.

Speaker 1 The Bears tried and they fumbled. Doug Kramer.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 There should be more big boys that get touchdowns right up the gut. Like, there's no room in this league for a TJ Duckett anymore.

Speaker 1 Did you see what the Seahawks did on the kickoff against commanders? They put two 300-pounders and then immediately caused a fumble. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just big guys running down the field.

Speaker 3 Yeah, who's the biggest guy we got? I guess Matt Locke. Desmond Watson.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Or whatever his name is.
Is that his name? Desmond Watson.

Speaker 3 Is that his name?

Speaker 5 Tomorrow Prague Squad. Yeah.
Weight loss.

Speaker 1 Whoa.

Speaker 3 I mean, a guy that's running with a football. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Let him out there. Panay Sule would be an awesome back.

Speaker 3 He'd be great. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Good show, boys.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 4 Live golf is expanding to 72 hole tournaments starting next year.

Speaker 1 That did not.

Speaker 1 Wait. That did not.
That did not warrant a breaking move.

Speaker 3 I thought that there was. Take it back.

Speaker 1 Take the cow back. I thought there was an NFL trade.

Speaker 5 Take the cow back.

Speaker 1 That did not warrant.

Speaker 1 And that also probably isn't even news. It was probably Hank's Live Golf Connect text and she said, hey,

Speaker 1 hey, I'm going to give you $1,000. Can you pretend it's breaking news?

Speaker 3 I don't think that counts as news. No.

Speaker 1 Take the cow back. Do the move, the breaking move sound, and then we'll reverse it.
No, he knows how to reverse it. He's reversed it before.
That's breaking. Reverse it.

Speaker 1 Reverse the cow.

Speaker 1 That's breaking it. Doing move.
Reverse the cow. Who are the four aces?

Speaker 1 Actually, that was better.

Speaker 4 That was better.

Speaker 1 Who are the four aces? No, we're not talking news. We're not talking news.

Speaker 3 Also, isn't live, it's Roman numerals for 54. Are they going to change the name?

Speaker 4 I don't know. Okay, if we're not talking numerals,

Speaker 1 move on, move on, move on, move on. It's got us there.
We can't talk about it.

Speaker 3 What's 72 and Roman numerals?

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, it's an interesting storyline that's just broke on the internet. But yeah, God forbid.

Speaker 1 Interesting storyline.

Speaker 3 What's next?

Speaker 3 They're going to wear pants now?

Speaker 3 LX

Speaker 3 XII. That sounds good.

Speaker 1 Lexi. Yeah.
The new golf league. Okay.

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Speaker 1 one for Sauce Gardner.

Speaker 1 Oh man, he's mad. That was you, you that was mean.
What you did.

Speaker 4 I mean, he was mean to me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're right. By not leave your keys out.
Oh,

Speaker 1 what is that supposed to mean?

Speaker 1 What fill your car up with jelly beans? Oh,

Speaker 3 steal your car.

Speaker 1 That I'm giving you full permission to do that as a PMTV.

Speaker 4 I'll take my car back.

Speaker 1 Well, I'll take my car back. I do that.

Speaker 1 You made... Did you, what did you say? I made a dollar.
I have $2.

Speaker 4 That's bullshit.

Speaker 1 Made $20.

Speaker 4 I'm 100% profit.

Speaker 1 You got to sell it to Zach next, memes, for $3.

Speaker 1 Just keep passing around the car. All right, what's everyone's number? I have one.
That's also not true because Hank gave him $2,000.

Speaker 1 $2,500. Oh, you still haven't gotten it fixed, right? No.

Speaker 1 So I sold to Hank my old car for $1.

Speaker 1 He got... Did I get in the car accident? No,

Speaker 4 literally the week before I gave gave it to memes, I fucking backed into a pole in my garage.

Speaker 1 And then you gave it to memes, and you said, Here's $2,000 to fix it, and it's still not fixed. Yeah.
That was, what, four years ago? Three, yeah. Three years ago.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I put a lot of money into it. Hank gave me it without oil.

Speaker 1 That's a lot of money.

Speaker 1 That's got to be worth $2,500.

Speaker 1 Probably not true. No, it's very true.
The guy was like, this is black. I did some damage to the inside.
Memes, I'm seeing

Speaker 4 an oil change.

Speaker 1 That was not big cap because I changed my oil religiously. Same.
No, you didn't.

Speaker 3 Memes, I'm seeing a lot of positive reaction for this trade. Yeah, it's good.
Everyone's saying, good job, Jets. What's your number, everyone?

Speaker 1 Say your number. 77.

Speaker 5 39.

Speaker 1 44. Memes, you have to say,

Speaker 1 thinking.

Speaker 1 99. I was going to say that.

Speaker 1 You want it?

Speaker 1 99.

Speaker 3 55.

Speaker 1 You can do two for two first-round picks.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Get his ass, James.

Speaker 1 23.

Speaker 1 Do we do one more? Anyone do 23?

Speaker 1 We'll do one more. Everyone keep their number.
Everyone say your number again. One.

Speaker 1 Eight. 55.
What did you say? No, no, no, no, memes. Memes,

Speaker 5 I said three.

Speaker 1 Memes, you changed your number just now. Oh, you picked me.
I didn't have a number. Oh, you didn't? Yeah, he never said that one.
That one didn't count. No.
Okay, so we got to do it.

Speaker 1 No, well, it counted. Counts as a pick for me.
You got to reset.

Speaker 3 No pick.

Speaker 1 No pick counts. Oh, it's that one.
Three.

Speaker 1 No, it's 34.

Speaker 1 All right, memes, what is your number? Eight.

Speaker 1 Okay. Why? Everyone else knows their number.
It says it right there. You go in the Zach method?

Speaker 1 Yeah, eight for PFT.

Speaker 1 77.

Speaker 1 Oh, so close, memes. Six.
It looks a lot like me. Six.

Speaker 3 You should have picked six. Ham, that's the one I went on.

Speaker 4 Shit.

Speaker 1 You want to do one more, memes? It says eight right there.

Speaker 3 No, we'll do one more.

Speaker 1 We'll do one more. Everyone's got to keep their numbers.
What is their numbers? I'm one. 55.
77.

Speaker 1 Memes is eight.

Speaker 5 Well, I actually might be rooting for memes right now.

Speaker 5 It'd be awesome.

Speaker 1 20.

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