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Today is Friday, November 7th, and

Speaker 1 we got some bad Thursday night football, boys. PFT, I have one question for you.
Are you still a bow lever? He's stunk.

Speaker 3 Oh, I'm a bow lever, but the bow wins football games. This is why we've been saying that he is Tim Tebow.
You can give him all the credit in the world for this. And

Speaker 3 that was a dog shit football game.

Speaker 3 The NFL should send us a thank you card for watching it. We're going to keep consuming that garbage.
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 I don't think that there's any two-team combination they could roll out there on a Thursday night where I wouldn't actually tune in and watch.

Speaker 3 But I did wish for a moment that YouTube TV was also blocking Prime Video. I thought

Speaker 3 that would have been nice, I think.

Speaker 3 But Bonix tonight was so bad. So bad.
There was one particularly...

Speaker 3 It was a really egregious sequence. I forget if it was in the second or third quarter.
It was around halftime.

Speaker 3 But they picked off Geno Smith

Speaker 3 in plus territory. Then the Broncos go three and out, punt.

Speaker 3 Then they force a three and out from the Raiders and block that punt. Then get the ball at like the 10-yard line.

Speaker 3 And then they go three and out and kick a field goal.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And that's what tonight was. That was the offensive explosion.
And ironically, if you thought it was going to be a punt fest, in the first half, A.J. Cole was dominant as a punter.

Speaker 3 Two coffin corner punts inside the one, and the Broncos. And the Broncos sucks.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
He was getting booed.

Speaker 1 They were booing the punter.

Speaker 3 They were booing the whole team, even though they were winning, which I don't blame them for. We're going to talk about windmills later on in today's episode, but I learned something tonight.

Speaker 3 I learned a fact about wind because in the first quarter, the wind was blowing so strong, and the ball was like rolling around on the field. The referee had to come in and respot the ball.

Speaker 3 Did you know that at altitude mile high, the wind doesn't have as much of an effect because the air is so thin? So if it's blowing 20 miles an hour, 20 miles an hour in Denver is like

Speaker 3 25 miles an hour down at sea level. So just something to remember in the future.

Speaker 1 That is, that's a good thing to remember. I don't want to remember anything from this game.

Speaker 1 The Raiders are just dog shit. They had one drive where you're like, oh, the Raiders are live tonight.
They had the graphic at the the end of the game.

Speaker 1 The Raiders had one interception, one punt blocked, nine penalties, one misfield goal, one touchdown negated by a penalty.

Speaker 1 And while they were showing that graphic, they kept it on there for a very long time, almost like really rubbing it in. They were just showing everyone sad on the sideline.

Speaker 1 Gino got hurt, and the Raiders are so bad. They're like, we just got to make sure he's like 30% and we'll keep playing him.
And the game, to me,

Speaker 1 the perfect encapsulation was when the Broncos, it was third quarter on like maybe the 40-yard line, the Raiders' 40-yard line. They had a third and one.
It was like third and maybe like six inches.

Speaker 1 And they decided to do a trick play pass backwards

Speaker 1 that almost was a fumble and then ended up being a sack. And it was the most, what the fuck are we doing right now? What are you doing, Sean Payton?

Speaker 1 What are you like, just run the, you have third and one in a game that the Raiders cannot score. Just run the ball right in their face twice.
And if you don't get it, guess what?

Speaker 1 The Raiders cannot score. So it doesn't really matter.
And it was just, the whole thing was just a debacle. Like, I don't remember seeing two pretty makeable kicks missed in Mile High

Speaker 1 like it was tonight. It was just, this is what happens later in the season.
Thursday Night Football becomes a slog, especially division games where teams know each other.

Speaker 1 I don't know how much longer Pete Carroll will do this. It doesn't seem like he's having fun.

Speaker 3 I would agree. And I'm starting to agree with Hank.
I don't know how much competitive advantage Tom Brady could possibly be getting if that's what the end result of it looks like tonight.

Speaker 3 And you could actually make the argument that the Raiders maybe outplayed the Broncos.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Because in the first half, there were two drives, back-to-back drives for the Raiders.

Speaker 3 One knocked them out of field goal range on a penalty. One knocked them out of field goal range on just a stupid sack by Geno Smith.
They take a stupid sack on that.

Speaker 3 They could have easily had six more points, hypothetically, at least three more points. Let's just say that the kicker misses one of those two.

Speaker 3 Now that I think about it, I don't think either team outplayed the other team. I think they were both equally bad tonight.

Speaker 3 Bo Nick, sometimes, when he drops back and he just chucks it,

Speaker 3 he looks like he's playing 500 the most of any NFL quarterback I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
The total yards, by the way, in this game, total yards were just over 400 400 total for both teams. So both teams were under 200 or the Broncos had 220.
The Raiders had 188.

Speaker 1 It was both had 10 first downs. Yeah, I'm looking at the stats right now.
It was, you know, six

Speaker 1 passing first downs to five, four rushing first downs to five. Like,

Speaker 1 they were both just shitty. And it was, it was a tough watch.
22 penalties total. And the Bonix's, I will say this, Bonix's interceptions weren't really his fault.
No, they weren't.

Speaker 1 Well, he just got bad at one of those

Speaker 1 one. Yeah.
The first one was that. The second one wasn't his fault.
The first one was.

Speaker 3 The first one was the 500 throw, where he drops back and he throws it as high as he can and underthrows his receiver by about seven yards to the point where the receiver, a cornerback, and a safety all turn around, get their hips squared to the ball, retreat three yards, and then jump in the air to try to make a catch.

Speaker 3 That seems to be Bo likes to do.

Speaker 3 And I think we were all waiting for him to just turn it on in the fourth quarter because the Broncos' offense is so much different in the fourth quarter than it has been for the previous three quarters.

Speaker 3 It just never happened. It was just, they built the entire game out of the first quarter.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, all right, that was Thursday night football. I'm mad at ourselves for

Speaker 1 waiting to record the beginning of it. We should have been,

Speaker 1 we love, we love the AWLs so much. We had to, we always stay up for Thursday night football.
I'm mad at myself right now. I think the AWLs are mad at us.

Speaker 1 They're like, why did we do eight minutes on what the fuck we just watched? Just prolong the game. It was a little overtime from a shitty game.

Speaker 1 God, I was, when the Raiders were lining up for that kick, I was like, if this fucking game goes to overtime, it was reminding,

Speaker 1 you know, reminiscent of the Broncos Colts game, the Russell Wilson-Matt Ryan game. a few years ago.
It was.

Speaker 4 It was just so.

Speaker 3 I would have liked Al to get a little bit more upset during this game.

Speaker 1 He usually revert reserves his uh anger for the referees now on thursday night where he'll just be like yep well i could have told you there was gonna be a penalty before they snap the ball my my theory too on al um is that it just depends on how long of a flight he had to take so when he's like at a chargers the chargers playing the vikings which was a blowout he was pretty happy tonight broncos like denver to l a it's not that long of a flight if he has to call next week jets patriots we're going to get a surly surly Al Michaels because he's got to go cross-country.

Speaker 1 He's going to be pissed off. That's a fact.
I do like it.

Speaker 3 It's cathartic for us to listen to because we're thinking the same things as Al. So I'm glad that he's reached the point in his career where sometimes he just doesn't give a fuck.
And he'll be like,

Speaker 3 this game stinks, guys. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 They actually need to do that for, like, they should have...

Speaker 1 a second set of announcers for when a game goes really shitty that you can roll in that are just it's like you know what the way this game's going we're bringing in the hater crew and they just start shitting on everything we should

Speaker 1 that should be something that you can opt into

Speaker 1 i think we'd be pretty good at that role yeah we'll just sit in our studio be like hey just just call us when a game's going really bad we'll just just hop on and we'll just be the hater crew yeah

Speaker 3 i like that idea i like it a lot yeah

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 we're going to kick it to ourselves.

Speaker 1 Back in the studio, we're going to have more fun because we actually have week 10 to talk about, talk some windmills, talk some Jerry O'Connell, have Chris Long on the podcast. Great podcast.

Speaker 3 Back to ourselves.

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Speaker 1 who was the third i can't even remember we scored one it was bad was it puka yeah no puka didn't score remember he he almost scored at the beginning of the game i think he did i thought puka did scored scored later.

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Speaker 1 Boys, it is week 10 in the NFL. We have four buys this week.
It is the Bengals, the Cowboys, the Titans, and the Chiefs. I'm okay with the Titans being on a buy.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's really nice. That's nice.

Speaker 1 We have

Speaker 1 back, we're back to the morning games. We have a Germany game, and we'll start there with the Falcons and the Colts in Berlin or Munich? Berlin.
Berlin.

Speaker 3 And the Colts are hosting. Yeah.
They're the home team this weekend? Colts are the home team.

Speaker 1 Very important. Colts are minus six and a half.
Over, under is 48.5.

Speaker 1 The Falcons got to win one of these desperate games. I don't know if it's going to be this one.

Speaker 3 I'm just pumped to see Sauce Gardner in that uniform. Yeah.
So that's, this has got to be a crazy week for him. So he gets traded, and then he flies over to Germany on Thursday night,

Speaker 3 and he hangs out with the team for like the first, it's going to be like an unrealistic expectation for that relationship moving forward.

Speaker 3 It's like the first week of your relationship is on vacation somewhere. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But I think that he's exactly what the Colts need in terms of like a football player.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Raheem Morris said he hopefully doesn't have a passport. That would be nice.
That's a fun little coach joke.

Speaker 3 Do you remember season one, year one of part of my take?

Speaker 3 We kept diving into whether or not teams had passport yet.

Speaker 1 That's right.

Speaker 3 Where everyone has to get a passport.

Speaker 1 We should ask Chris Long that.

Speaker 3 The second you get to the NFL, make sure you have your passport. Now every team needs it, not just the Jaguars.

Speaker 1 Yeah. This will also be Raheem Morris's first time coaching overseas without a quarterback named Josh.

Speaker 3 That's a fun stat.

Speaker 1 So he lost in 2011 with Josh Freeman, lost in 2009 with Josh Johnson. Okay.
So will he be prepared to play without a Josh?

Speaker 3 Joshless. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Although he's 0-2.

Speaker 1 He's two times, two Joshes, 0-2.

Speaker 3 So not a Josh Merchant.

Speaker 1 No, the opposite. The opposite.
Maybe he needed to rid himself from Josh to have a chance.

Speaker 3 All right, finally, Josh Free, see if he can get one. I like the Colts in this one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I think the bounce back for the Colts is going to be high. They're a very good team.
We talked to Chris Long about it in a minute.

Speaker 1 Like, adding someone like Sauce Gardner at the deadline, it gives you the pump up of, like, we're going for it.

Speaker 1 I do have one thing I wanted to throw out to you guys. And

Speaker 1 I'm going to say this right now.

Speaker 1 I don't believe it, but I was just looking at it, okay? I was just looking at it. And it's the odds to win the AFC South.
Obviously, the Colts are very, very good. They're 7-2.

Speaker 1 The The Jaguars are 5-3. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The Jaguars are plus 3-10 right now. And I say that because if you've looked at the Colts' schedule, it's not easy.
Yeah. They have a pretty tough schedule.

Speaker 1 So I broke it down. The Colts are playing the Falcons this week.
I think that's probably a win. Then they have the Chiefs, Texans, Jaguars.
Seahawks, 49ers back-to-back is tough.

Speaker 1 And then finish again with the Jaguars and Texans. This all comes down to, my theory is this.

Speaker 1 The Jaguars actually control their own destiny. If they could somehow beat the Colts twice, they will win the AFC South.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that counts. It counts as control your own destiny.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like if you look at it, and then on the other side, the Jaguars schedule is a lot easier. They played the Texans this week.
Then they have the Chargers, which is a tough game.

Speaker 1 Then the Cardinals, Titans. They also have the Jets in there, and they have the Titans again.
So they still have two more games.

Speaker 1 They have four games against the Titans, Jets, or Cardinals.

Speaker 3 You sound a little bit like Prisco right now.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying.

Speaker 3 If If you look at the Jaguars' schedule.

Speaker 1 I don't think the Jaguars are better than the Colts. I just want that on the record.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying, if you're looking for value, the Colts have a difficult schedule, and the Jaguars have an easier schedule, and they play twice.

Speaker 1 And if the Jaguars can somehow beat the Colts twice, that would erase the lead that exists right now. And then you're just going on the rest of the schedule, and the Jaguars have an easier schedule.

Speaker 3 I get that. That's a very logical argument for the Jacksonville Jaguars.
I just think that the the Colts are a much better team.

Speaker 1 Hank, are you betting it? Yeah, I just did. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 I couldn't bring myself to bet it. I was just more doing a thought starter, like, hey,

Speaker 1 who's maybe got a little value going into halfway point of the season?

Speaker 3 What's Trevor Lawrence's record as a starter in November and December? I would want to look that up. Probably not good.
Because I don't think it's very good. No.

Speaker 1 I don't think his record as a starter, period, is very good because remember he started with Urban Meyer and went two and 14 or whatever?

Speaker 3 That is true. But when they've stacked wins, it's usually been early on in the year.
Yeah. For the Jaguars.

Speaker 1 And faded a little. Yeah.
By the way, here's a stat for you.

Speaker 1 Teams coming off a straight-up loss as a favorite before an international game are 15-9 against the spread, including 2-0 against the spread this season.

Speaker 1 Just an interesting, like, hey, if you were a favorite and then you lost, you usually have a nice bounce back game. Yep.
Just one of those angles that we always look for. Like,

Speaker 1 if you've got a big game coming up, you don't want the team that's a favorite to lose that week. Yep.
That kind of thing.

Speaker 3 Interesting angle to get.

Speaker 1 It's just an angle that has some stats to back it up. Yep.

Speaker 3 Can you repeat that stat? I don't know if that's a good idea.

Speaker 1 Yeah, teams coming off a straight-up loss as a favorite before an International Series game are 15-9 against a spread, including 2-0 against spread this season.

Speaker 3 That's pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so if you're a favorite and you lose a game, you're going to probably have a real-time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, no, I just want to say that. That's just one data point.
But that's just. What do you mean? Neutral site.
Yeah. So you said international.

Speaker 4 International Series. Neutral site.

Speaker 1 But it's a team coming off a international series. A loss, a straight-up loss as a

Speaker 1 favorite.

Speaker 4 Before an international series.

Speaker 1 Before an international series game. Yeah, then they get a little.

Speaker 3 It's just one interesting data point.

Speaker 1 One interesting data point. I think throughout the entire.
It's about data points.

Speaker 4 It's interesting for the international series, for sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's very interesting for the international series.

Speaker 1 This is sad.

Speaker 1 This is

Speaker 1 so sad.

Speaker 3 There was just some news that just came out right now as we're talking about this game. So I'm really glad that Schefter tweeted this out.
We just got got

Speaker 1 tagged with sad.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we did. It was sad.
Make the graphic.

Speaker 1 PFD and Big Cat sad.

Speaker 3 DeForest Buckner is not traveling to the game. Doesn't have his passport? Neck injury.
Ah. Yeah, neck injury.
So that's a big one.

Speaker 1 Flying with a hurt neck would suck.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but you know, it would kick ass

Speaker 3 if you were told you didn't have to go on the international trip the day of the international trip. Imagine how awesome that would be.
I hope he doesn't have to go, right? Incredible.

Speaker 3 Don't put that man on a plane.

Speaker 1 Do you think he goes to the facility?

Speaker 3 Watches at the facility?

Speaker 1 Dude, there's got to be no, it's like home alone. Yeah, just go to the facility and just have it all to yourself.

Speaker 3 Just order a bunch of pieces. That would be so awesome.

Speaker 1 That would be very cool.

Speaker 3 Mark Sanchez is trying to break in.

Speaker 3 We should see if we can get traps for him.

Speaker 1 We should see if a team will host us at their facility on a week they're in International.

Speaker 3 Do you think they have a big screen TV that just the people that work in that office get to watch the game on?

Speaker 1 Yeah, probably.

Speaker 3 Like a huge one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like a really, really big one. Yeah.

Speaker 3 That would kick ass.

Speaker 1 Our dreams are basically finding another place we can watch all the football games that are have an open space, maybe a basketball court or something. Oh, they're probably getting so sick.

Speaker 3 They probably have an ice cream machine game.

Speaker 1 They probably have an ice cream machine, probably have a shitload of food delivered.

Speaker 3 A hot tub.

Speaker 3 Watching it in the team-issued hot tub.

Speaker 1 That'd be sick. That would kick ass.
What are the Falcons doing with kickers?

Speaker 1 They got Zane?

Speaker 3 They got Zane.

Speaker 1 So they went from Young-Ho to Parker to Zane.

Speaker 3 Parker Romo is no longer their kicker, I think. I'm pretty sure Zane is going to be kicking in this game.

Speaker 1 He's a good kicker. He just,

Speaker 3 it's tough. I don't want to discriminate against individuals with obsessive-compulsive disorder because it's a real thing that people learn to live with their entire lives.

Speaker 3 But it just doesn't give you the most confidence as a fan when you're watching on TV and your kicker is having to do his rituals before he goes out on the field.

Speaker 3 Now, he's a good kicker, and he's managed it, and it's got a cool name. Pretty impressive that he's gotten to this point in his profession, which is all about being mentally tough.

Speaker 3 So he's obviously figured out a way to take what was a limiting factor and make it a strength of his. I'm just speaking strictly, if you're watching on TV and you're nervous and you see that,

Speaker 3 it makes you more nervous at all.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 But shout out Zane.

Speaker 1 I got another two

Speaker 1 quick stats for you. One, I don't understand, but I'll just say it because it sounds cool.
Colts have scored 61.3 more points than their expected point totals this year, number one in the NFL.

Speaker 1 Falcons have scored 39.8 fewer points than their expected point totals this year, number 32 in the NFL. So basically, the Colts are way overexpected, and the Falcons are disappointing.
Yep.

Speaker 1 And then the other one, which, you know, PFT, your season last year, there was a big part of what the commanders were doing was aggressiveness on fourth down.

Speaker 1 It felt like you guys were always getting fourth downs, having the ball kind of roll your way. The Colts are kind of in that zone right now.
The Colts on the season are 15 of 17 on fourth downs.

Speaker 3 That's good.

Speaker 1 88.2% conversion percentage. No team has ever had 15-plus fourth down attempts through their first nine games with that high of a conversion percentage.
2020 Bengals had the second most.

Speaker 1 That's pretty crazy.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And then you get to the point where now you're calling plays on second down, not necessarily to must get.
a first down or third down. You're not having to get a first down.

Speaker 3 You're calling plays that could get you like one yard away, two yards away, three yards away. And then you have a play for that and ready to go.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 3 Yeah, the Colts have been great this year.

Speaker 3 I think Steichen, he's like top, what, definitely in the top three for coach of the year so far this year. Yeah, so

Speaker 3 one thing I'm looking at in this game is the fact that

Speaker 3 we're seeing a lot of back-to-back games from Bajan where he has not looked great, combined with the Falcons just forgetting to use him.

Speaker 3 And Indy has the number four-ranked rush defense.

Speaker 3 And what we could be looking at is another one of those games. If the Colts jump out to a lead, Bajan, the Falcons forgetting to use Bajan.

Speaker 1 They just knew what the Falcons need to do is just put in the cool Bajan camera in every stadium. Yeah.
Because that seems like one he does really well. I agree with that.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Like, fly it out on your own dime if you're the Falcons. And Arthur Blank's like, listen, I paid $50,000 to put this camera in the stadium in Berlin.
Do you know anything about the grass in Berlin?

Speaker 3 I don't. Because the international games, always weird grass situations going on there.
Maybe some slippery-ass turf.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 3 I'll be breaking out the World War II puns.

Speaker 1 Got to.

Speaker 3 Don't really have any.

Speaker 3 I wish the Colts still had Reich as their coach.

Speaker 1 That would help. That would be fishing a barrel for them.
That would be very easy for me.

Speaker 3 They're going to love Kirk Cousins, though. They're just going to look at him and be like, wow.

Speaker 1 Yeah, look at that. Look at that.

Speaker 1 Look at his jawline. He is him.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's go to Sunday afternoon or the first slate. So we're getting our morning slate out of the way.
We have the Giants at Bears. Bears minus four and a half.
Over-under is 46.5.

Speaker 1 The Giants are still wearing their throwback helmets,

Speaker 1 which are awesome.

Speaker 1 I'm nervous about this game because I don't think the Bears can stop anything, and that makes you nervous about every game.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, I understand that, but the defense has looked a lot better. Like, it's you've held up against the run.
Ours? Yeah, at times. Yeah, you've held up against the run at times.
Not if

Speaker 1 470 yards for Joe Flacco was bad. Right.

Speaker 1 No, the defense is not good, and it's very injured, and we don't have a pass rush, and we don't have a secondary. Two very important parts of defense.

Speaker 1 I do think the Bears are going to have a lot of success just running the ball down the Giants' throat, and that would be my hope for this game. But yeah, the Giants are frisky.

Speaker 1 I mean, Jackson Dart is a definition of a frisky quarterback, right?

Speaker 3 He is. He's made a lot of really good plays when he's had to scramble around off schedule.
That's what's tough for Brian Dable. And he's done a great job, like we said, of trying to date Jackson Dart.

Speaker 3 They're probably going to get to the front

Speaker 3 in Chicago, and Dable's going to be like, oh, this is crazy. They only give us one hotel room.
Oh, fuck.

Speaker 3 I guess we could, like, see if they could do two beds. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit. Oh, shit.
They don't have two beds.

Speaker 3 But he does.

Speaker 1 We'll go

Speaker 1 head to feet. Yeah, it's all good.

Speaker 1 But it...

Speaker 3 It kind of hurts his case a little bit that Jackson Dart is making a lot of these plays outside the design play, like scrambling around and making something happen on the move.

Speaker 3 Not really the way that it's drawn up.

Speaker 3 So, while you might get a few splashy plays, Dable's like, fuck, I really wish that my offense was working a little bit better so that I could claim them a little bit harder.

Speaker 3 But yeah, I think you're right. I think Chicago is going to just, they're going to pound the fuck out of the rock.

Speaker 1 We're going to pound the rock. We've got to pound the rock.
I did see my friends at Sports Info Solution did send me a positive Bears stat.

Speaker 1 So the Bears are actually not better when they're doing a lot of motion, pre-snap motion. They have a 53% success rate on dropbacks without motion and 41% with motion.

Speaker 1 And the Giants, though, are a pass defense that's top five against motion and bottom five against static looks. So that actually plays into the Bears' favor in this game.
That is good.

Speaker 1 The Giants are not good when it's static. The Bears are better when it's static.

Speaker 3 How many players are going to attempt to pass for the Bears this weekend?

Speaker 1 I think as many as Ben Johnson wants. Yeah.

Speaker 3 As many as Ben Johnson.

Speaker 1 By the way, Caleb Williams, not wrong just early. The Bears, through eight games, have the least amount of punts in their franchise history in the Super Bowl era.
Correct.

Speaker 1 26 punts. Not wrong just early.

Speaker 1 That was bad last year when it was like 85 punts after he sent that text.

Speaker 3 No, the offense has been looking exciting. Just wasn't right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Colson Lovin, MVP. Yes.
He won the MVP last week.

Speaker 3 He did, yeah.

Speaker 1 He got slimed.

Speaker 3 He got slimed big time, and Ben Johnson confirmed on a podcast this week that he just watches guys at practice and he notices if they can throw.

Speaker 3 And he's like, okay, we'll work out a new trick play for this guy. Yeah, you're right.
He looks like he's got a fucking cannon on his arm.

Speaker 1 I do think the Bears are going to win this game. I'm just, when you go into a game with a bad defense,

Speaker 1 anything can happen.

Speaker 3 I have a question about the Bears for you, yeah.

Speaker 1 Roma Dunze's dad.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's always been a little bit of an issue.

Speaker 3 I kind of like him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because he's like always standing up for his son sometimes i imagine that rome leaves practice he's like what a dad tweet oh i don't think it's a i don't think it's speaking for roam at all no i think he's speaking like as a dad my son's the best get him the ball here's where my my take on rom's roma junze's dad i think his name is james james junze he has tweeted many times about stuff and i think that if you're going to be one of those dads If you do it a lot, I don't care because it becomes kind of white noise.

Speaker 1 Like, oh, he's mad again. It's when a dad just shows up out of nowhere one time and being like, they're fucking over my son.
Then you have to write articles about it and take notice to it. Yes.

Speaker 1 He's just, he's just doing it. He's done this multiple times.
I don't care. He's sticking up for his son.
Yeah. It doesn't bother me.

Speaker 3 That's kind of how I looked at it too. And I like that the Bears put out a video of Roma Dunze mic'd up during the game and then tagged it like selfless.
Yeah. Almost in a response.

Speaker 3 Like the Bears clapped back at Roma Dunze's dad online.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he actually, like, if you watch that game, he was doing a great job blocking in that game. And that was a big Ben Johnson culture change thing, the whole no block, no rock.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And part of the run game being good is because guys are buying in. DJ Moore, Roma Dunze, these guys are buying into blocking downfield, and you get these big chunk plays in the run game.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, Rome's fine. He had one game where he didn't catch a ball.
Who cares?

Speaker 1 He's got a good amount of touchdowns this year. I think they'll probably try to target him a few times.
I'm excited for this game.

Speaker 1 It's not a must-win, but the gateway, the six-and-3 gateway, would really be nice if we got to six and three and not the five and four.

Speaker 3 How hot is the seat for Brian Dable? Would you say it's blazing hot? Well, because. To answer your question, yeah, you have the quote?

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, I have the report. Oh, I have the John Mara quote.

Speaker 3 Do you have a John Mara? Oh, no, no, there was a report that came out like an hour ago.

Speaker 1 Oh, I don't have to. Give your quote.
Okay, the quote from John Mara

Speaker 1 was

Speaker 1 in January of 2025, he said, if I'm sitting here a year from now and you're you're asking me these questions, I'll take the heat on bringing back Brian Dable and Joe Shane.

Speaker 1 It's been almost a year and you're still getting the questions. So you taking the heat?

Speaker 3 I guess he's got to take the heat. He's got to take the heat.
Well, there was a report that came out like an hour ago. Sean Murash from New York.
He's a radio host there.

Speaker 3 He said that Dable was about to be fired right after the Denver Broncos loss.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow.

Speaker 3 When they gave up that late fourth quarter lead, the collapse, and someone talked John Mara out of it. He was going to to be fired in Denver, I think.
Was it

Speaker 1 Jackson Dart?

Speaker 3 It could have been Jackson Dart or Jackson Dart's dad. I don't know, but it did feel like it was

Speaker 3 a very, very bad loss. I didn't know that Dable, I didn't think that the Giants organization was leave the coach on the tarmac.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I didn't think that they had that in them.

Speaker 1 We talked about it last on Monday's show.

Speaker 1 Brian Dable, first year, seven and two through nine games.

Speaker 3 Two and seven, yeah. Yeah, and then he's been.

Speaker 1 No, no, he was seven and two through nine games his first year. Okay, yeah, yeah.
And then since then, two and seven, two and seven, two and seven. Yep.
That's you could think he's a good coach.

Speaker 1 At some point, records have to matter.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And that's really what it comes down to.

Speaker 3 I do think he's

Speaker 3 a good coach, but records have to matter. They have to matter at some point.
And Jackson Dart's dad went on an ole Miss podcast this week, and they asked him about Lane Kiffen.

Speaker 3 And he was like, yeah, somebody, you know, we're on a text thread with him. The whole Dart family is still texting with Lane, which is awesome.

Speaker 3 And then somebody sent a link to Lane Kiffen to the Giants as a joke. And Lane Kiffen said, not interested, too cold up there.

Speaker 3 So Lane Kiffen has officially taken his hat out of the running to be the Giants' next head coach. Because of coldness.

Speaker 1 That's actually nice that he gets the... Lane Kiffen is so sought after, he can just decide his next job based on temperature.

Speaker 3 Yeah. But

Speaker 3 do you think that they would have made more moves if they were going to get a new coach?

Speaker 3 Or a new GM? Actually, it's more on the GM, I think.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think they're a combo. Like, if you're...

Speaker 1 But then they did draft Jackson Dart.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's good. If you're trying to attract a I think a good young quarterback will bring in a coach, but having assets, that would bring in a great GM, right?

Speaker 3 And so they didn't really get any of those before the trade deadline.

Speaker 1 But they do have a good

Speaker 1 roster,

Speaker 1 or I shouldn't say good roster.

Speaker 1 They have some pieces that are nice. Yes,

Speaker 3 I think they have the exact right amount of pieces to get a very good coach.

Speaker 1 Like, if they were talking about quarterback, they have running back, Andrew Thomas is really good.

Speaker 1 they theoretically have a very good neighbors is really good, they theoretically have a very good defensive line. Um, yeah, very good.

Speaker 3 Some young, some very young pieces of rights.

Speaker 1 So there's something there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 This will be a tight game, though.

Speaker 1 I just don't know if the Bears have the ability to blow anyone out because of their defense. Are you going to do Giants?

Speaker 4 I did them last week. Hungry Dog? I don't know.
I can go back to the well. Okay.

Speaker 1 Let us know when the Hungry Dog, when you start popping up, okay? Okay.

Speaker 3 I just want to say if Brian Dable does get left on the tarmac in Chicago. I mean, there's two obvious ones.
Just come to the office. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like you'll come hang.

Speaker 3 Immediate guest on part of my take, Sunday night. Couch is yours.

Speaker 1 We have a Jackson darted home. His name's Ben Mintz.
Yeah. You can just talk to him.
Okay, Bills at Dolphins. Dolphins minus nine and a half, or sorry, Bills minus nine and a half.
Over-under is 50.5.

Speaker 1 The Bills just own the Dolphins. They have owned them in this series.
Overall, the Bills have beaten the Dolphins in seven straight meetings, including 14-1 straight up in their last 15 matchups.

Speaker 1 That's a lot.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so the last time that the Dolphins beat the Bills, the Bills were also on a seven-game winning streak. So it's tough to beat the Miami Dolphins eight times in a row.
Okay.

Speaker 3 That's what we always say.

Speaker 1 I think the Bills are probably going to win this game.

Speaker 3 I would tend to agree with that.

Speaker 1 Brandon Bean basically was like the trade deadline. It sounded like the Bills were trying to make moves, and it was just what he said, damn, that was a waste of time.

Speaker 1 That's what he said about the trade deadline.

Speaker 3 Do you think that the Bills, which fan base do you think is the most upset at the lack of moves at the trade deadline? The Bills could be up there.

Speaker 1 Patriots could be up there. Hank personally, that could be up there.

Speaker 3 Yeah, probably, I'd say probably the Bills wanted a receiver.

Speaker 1 But we're going to talk to Chris Long. He's going to tell us why the Bills are just fine how they are and built to win.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think their tight ends are going to go go nuts this weekend.

Speaker 1 This is kind of weird for Miami, though, because

Speaker 1 they're just basically playing out this season, not going to fire or bench anyone. And

Speaker 1 there just kind of is what it is. Like they're just showing up.

Speaker 1 It's that meme, the teacher who shows up

Speaker 1 in the same shirt every day.

Speaker 1 That's just what they're doing. Mike McDaniel is showing up in the same pair of Capris.
Yeah. Tua's showing up with the same attitude of, hey, I can try my best, but I'm still short.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then they're going to lose. And then next week, they'll just show up with the same thing and nothing is going to change.

Speaker 3 I mean, hopefully, if you're a Dolphins fan, nothing does change this season. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Just lose. Just lose.

Speaker 1 Just lose out.

Speaker 3 Got hit the heart. Well,

Speaker 3 they fired Greer. Yeah, they did fire Greer.
We didn't think that that was going to happen. That's true.

Speaker 1 You did make one change. You're right.

Speaker 3 If you're a Dolphins fan, that's actually a huge change that you have because I don't think anybody expects McDaniel to come back next season no matter what.

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 3 So they have, they did make the big change that you were renting planes out to fly banners behind demanding.

Speaker 3 So, I think you got to be like a little bit, like a tiny bit optimistic about the direction that you're going.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 so and then Tua said that he's not playing, he's he's not playing to keep his job, he's playing to try to help our team win. That's good, yeah.
I like his eye is still fucked up a little bit.

Speaker 3 His eye, it got more red, I think. It's weird, it's weird.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, I this game is

Speaker 1 Bills, yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, next up, good game. Battle of the Purple.
Ravens, Vikings. Right now, the Vikings are 3.5-point underdogs.
Over-under is 49.5.

Speaker 1 I like the over in this game.

Speaker 1 I just don't think ⁇ I think Lamar. I think the Ravens are ready to take off.
I think they're ready to take off.

Speaker 3 The little stat that a lot of people forget about Lamar Jackson and his record against the NFC.

Speaker 3 He's 0-2 in his last matchups against NFC teams. Oh.
Something interesting to think about. Before that, I guess he's 24-3 lifetime against the NFC team.

Speaker 1 He's 0-2. Who did he play this year?

Speaker 3 Let's see.

Speaker 1 Well, the Ravens.

Speaker 1 Play the Ravens.

Speaker 1 They lost to the Lions. They did.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Anyone else?

Speaker 3 I don't know what the other team is. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But it might have run out. Yeah, oh, Philly.
No, they lost to Philly last year, right? Did you guys play him last year?

Speaker 1 Yeah, we beat. Yeah, we won.
Yeah, yeah. So that's it.

Speaker 1 think it's i think it's philly and the lions yeah 0-2 in his last two but yeah he was 24 and he was 23 and 1 until the loss to the to the eagles and the lions yep down a little losing streak a little bit of a losing streak i do i do agree i think that the the ravens are they're a really fucking good team right now yeah well i don't yeah i don't know if they're i i would like to see them win this game convincingly then i'm ready to say they're a really fucking good team right now because it's true they played lamar didn't play in the bears game and then the dolphins so i'm not ready to say say all the way that they're a really fucking good team right now.

Speaker 1 Is that fair?

Speaker 3 I think that's fair, but we also expected the Ravens to get really good, even when they sucked.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I want to see them. This is the game.
This is the game that if they win this game, I can get back to saying they're really fucking good. Right now,

Speaker 1 they're not really fucking good. They're trying to get back to it.

Speaker 3 We'll also find out a lot about JJ this week. Yeah.
How many yards did he have in his wins? 173?

Speaker 3 143. 143 yards.

Speaker 1 143 yards, two touchdowns, one interception, one rushing touchdown in both of his wins that were 27-24.

Speaker 3 So that's the formula. That is the formula.
Yeah, we've got it.

Speaker 1 Just get him to exactly that, and he should win. Although the formula is also playing against a division opponent, which is not this game.

Speaker 1 Anything else in this game? I like the purple.

Speaker 1 The Ravens are,

Speaker 1 obviously, the Vikings are wearing the majority of the purple.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but still, it's very purple.

Speaker 1 It's very purple. I like purple on purple.
Also, Derrick Henry is a lot better when Lamar Jackson's in the game, which is a no-duh. Yeah.
But

Speaker 1 his rushing yards per average, I actually, someone texted me this stat. I think Ebo texted me this stat.
It was a pretty good one. Give Derrick Henry some love.

Speaker 1 Derrick Henry with Lamar on the field this year. Derrick Henry averaging six yards per attempt.
When he's off the field, he's averaging just 3.7.

Speaker 3 That's pretty

Speaker 1 expressive jump-off. You got to worry about everything.

Speaker 3 This is one of those matchups that I don't recall these teams playing against each other. The Ravens and the Vikings.

Speaker 1 I would agree.

Speaker 3 You lose it a little bit because of the purple. But yeah, I can't, this matchup never happens.
Yeah. So enjoy it.

Speaker 1 Also, JJ McCarthy said that he has an alter ego. He flips a switch on game day, calls it nine.

Speaker 1 Nine comes out, and I got to understand he can't be at his peak performance throughout three and a half hours.

Speaker 1 So how do I find little ways on the sideline to get back to my breath, get back to my visualization that can maintain that intense competitive

Speaker 1 stamina throughout the whole game? It's the pure will determination to get the job done. So watch out for nine.

Speaker 3 Dude, that's awesome. Nine.

Speaker 1 So he puts on when he puts on the iBlack in the locker room, nine. That's nine doing that.

Speaker 3 Doesn't answer to JJ? No, it's just strictly nine. That's nine.

Speaker 1 Did you see that clip of him in the locker room? He is a psycho. He is.

Speaker 3 He's nuts. And I do think that his teammates love him.
Yeah. Like you saw their reaction when he threw for a touchdown last week.
Everybody is everybody's bought in on JJ inside that lock.

Speaker 3 Now, it might be bought in like a cult,

Speaker 3 and it might not work, and they might end up drinking Kool-Aid instead of champagne at the end of the season.

Speaker 3 But you can tell that his teammates actually enjoy playing for him and they're rooting for him. And they like him as their quarterback, which goes a long way.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, next game. Browns and Jets.
Let's go, memes.

Speaker 1 Jets plus one and a half, over-under is 37.5.

Speaker 1 How are we feeling? I actually think the Jets are going to win. I also think the Jets are going to win.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Good. You're back.
I'm back. We got to have A.D.
Mitchell. There's now a receiver that Garrett Wilson actually respects in the wide receiver room opposite of him.

Speaker 1 Is Garrett Fieldson back or no? He's back to the stars. Oh, he is.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And Justin Fields doesn't know if he's the starter or not.
He'll be the starter. Okay, because he said that.
He's like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think they're playing week to week with the starter, which I actually don't mind.

Speaker 3 Okay. Yeah, keep him guessing.

Speaker 3 So, memes, are you

Speaker 3 expecting the Jets to win? Are you hoping that they'll win the game? Where are you at?

Speaker 1 I'm expecting them to win.

Speaker 3 It's going to be... God bless Jon Fanta for going to this game.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 God bless everybody that is attending this game at MetLife Stadium.

Speaker 3 There's almost a trade this week, memes, that didn't happen. Did you see, did you read about the move that the Jets did not make?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 3 They received some interest in Garrett Wilson.

Speaker 3 And do you know what team was hoping to get him and ultimately failed?

Speaker 1 I'm going to guess the Bills. The Cleveland Browns

Speaker 3 tried to get Garrett Wilson.

Speaker 1 I don't know why.

Speaker 1 They don't really have a receiver.

Speaker 3 I guess.

Speaker 1 Judy is kind of, but is he? But why?

Speaker 1 He's got to try to

Speaker 1 stack some good players.

Speaker 3 I think their GM was probably just bored. Yeah.
And he's just kind of reaching out being like, hey, what do you think?

Speaker 1 I wonder if I could trick them.

Speaker 3 What about Garrett Wilson? Yeah, maybe they'll say yes.

Speaker 1 Also, I'm very happy that

Speaker 1 the other trade that didn't happen that was talked about was the Jets trading Brees Hall to the Chiefs. The Jets wanted a third rounder.
The Chiefs only wanted to give up a fourth rounder.

Speaker 1 That would have sucked. Yeah.

Speaker 1 If the Chiefs got Brees Hall, that would have sucked. Oh, yeah.
They would have won the whole thing. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I want everybody to remember this. If the Chiefs don't win the Super Bowl this year, the Jets stopped them.

Speaker 1 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Speaker 3 That's the one team that can stop

Speaker 3 the Kansas City Chiefs is the New York Jets. You did your job.
It's true.

Speaker 1 Zach Wilson did outplay Patrick Mahomes on Sunday night football that one time. Yeah, he did.
Yeah, he did.

Speaker 3 Also true.

Speaker 1 Also, Aaron Glenn just made a little correction on expectations for the Jets. Did you see this quote? Yeah.
Sometimes you need to clarify yourself.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he he said, I want this to be a team that the fans are proud of, but again, I never said they were going to be proud of them right now.

Speaker 1 Just to clarify,

Speaker 1 at some point I want them to be a team the fans are proud of. I stick to that.
This will be a team the fans are proud of. Don't let go of the rope and just continue to watch us work.

Speaker 1 So just so we're clear, he never said right now they're going to be proud of them.

Speaker 1 Never said that. Yeah, sometimes you got to clarify what you say in front of a microphone.
I like it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just admitting, too, like, yeah, we get it. You guys do not.
You're not proud of this. I said I would take out the trash.

Speaker 3 I didn't say I was going to do it this week.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right now?

Speaker 3 Next week.

Speaker 1 What are you crazy? Right now?

Speaker 3 I think Aaron Glenn, I think the team likes him.

Speaker 3 He's got some big learning curve about how to deal with a microphone.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Well, the Jets PR team is the worst in the league.

Speaker 3 How do you think they should have handled that?

Speaker 3 Like, what should it? If you're the Jets PR team, what would you do?

Speaker 1 Tell them to stop saying shit.

Speaker 1 Stop giving expectations. Stop telling them.
Stop. No expectations.
That's a good. Jets fans take every single word you say and they're like, well, he said we were going to be proud.

Speaker 1 He said we were a couple pieces away. He said all we had to do was retool.
Nope. Just to be clear,

Speaker 1 he didn't say proud right now. Yeah, just say we're going to suck.
Yeah. It's building for two years and then we'll be good in 2028.

Speaker 3 I do think that a a lot of coaches forget that the majority of the people that are listening to their words are fans of the team.

Speaker 3 That will take all the good stuff you say and be like, okay, yeah, yeah, let's go.

Speaker 3 I think a lot of times they're just so caught up in not giving any like splashy quotes or bulletin board, anything like that, that they end up forgetting that they can be doing a disservice to their own fans.

Speaker 3 Yeah. That's good advice, memes.
Yeah, he was essentially aura farming.

Speaker 1 Memes, question for you. Because this game is not going to be the best best game, would you like to talk about wind turbines real quick? Sure.
Okay. Max, is it okay if we talk about wind turbines?

Speaker 1 Because you are. The accusations that you are maybe paid off by oil

Speaker 1 or someone else, I don't know where your angle is, but you shut down the wind turbine conversation very quickly. You guys can talk about whatever you want.

Speaker 1 People were mad that I wanted to get back on track, but

Speaker 1 that's on me.

Speaker 1 But just tell us who's paying you.

Speaker 1 I didn't didn't even know that wind turbines was a political thing.

Speaker 4 Hand up?

Speaker 1 I didn't know.

Speaker 1 The fact that it turned in,

Speaker 1 I just thought that we were going off on a tangent and I wanted us to get back to football.

Speaker 4 I just care about the ocean.

Speaker 1 Gaz

Speaker 1 tweeted very funny. He says, also, what the fuck was Max Delante's problem? He spells your name wrong.
Not even close to the problem.

Speaker 1 Continuously trying to change the topic off of wind turbines when Hank was about to take down the whole industry. Max Delante, lib of the year.

Speaker 1 I didn't know it was

Speaker 1 either. Put me up for nomination.
I did find out that 10% of our energy comes from wind turbines in America. That's pretty cool.
That's good. Is that not something you would be interested in?

Speaker 1 That's cool, I guess. No,

Speaker 1 you're not ready for that. You don't like that.
46 million American homes can be powered by wind.

Speaker 4 Can be.

Speaker 1 Oh. Oh, wait.

Speaker 3 You don't think. They do?

Speaker 4 Why does it say can be?

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, it's how much energy they take.

Speaker 1 They provide enough. Are they?

Speaker 3 No, they're saying that they provide enough energy for 46 million homes. It's not saying that, like, there's 46 million individual homes and those homes are the only ones that get all the wind energy.

Speaker 4 Interesting.

Speaker 4 I don't understand why it's can and not are.

Speaker 1 Hmm.

Speaker 3 Because the energy goes other places, too. It could go to buildings.
Yeah. You could go to offices.

Speaker 3 You could go to scoreboard. You could go to TV.

Speaker 1 Shout out AWO Ethan. He works in wind turbines.
He sent me some stuff. He said that they're massive, obviously, which are really cool.
Just incredible engineering. What?

Speaker 4 We've seen it. Everyone's seen a wind turbine.

Speaker 1 All right, but I don't think you understand how massive they are. I have seen them.

Speaker 4 You know how big those blades are?

Speaker 1 How fast do you think the blades are moving? I don't know. 100 miles an hour.
200 miles an hour. Cool.
How about that?

Speaker 4 That's pretty cool. Yeah, imagine being a bird just trying to fly west.

Speaker 1 Oh, that was funny, actually.

Speaker 3 But first of all before before you get to the actual facts,

Speaker 3 if you're a bird and you get killed by a windmill, that's on you.

Speaker 1 Question.

Speaker 1 Do you have anything against house cats?

Speaker 1 No. Oh, okay.
Because we should probably just eradicate all house cats because house cats are responsible for an estimated 365 million bird deaths per year.

Speaker 1 Wind turbines are estimated 140,000 bird deaths.

Speaker 4 One is man-made.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 Cats Cats are killing millions and millions of birds. That is literally a burst.
Wind turbines are killing

Speaker 1 a couple hundred thousand. That's the circle of life.
A couple hundred thousand birds fly into a wind turbine like idiots.

Speaker 4 That's not the circle of life.

Speaker 3 Did you say three circles of death?

Speaker 1 It's actually the range is insane. I don't know how this is arranged.
Cats are responsible for an estimated 365 million to 2.4 billion bird deaths per year in the U.S. alone.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 feral cats are the biggest threat, by the way. They're doing it all the time.
And then wind turbines are responsible for an estimated 140,000 to 680,000 bird deaths annually.

Speaker 1 Also, AWL Ethan said he's been working at the wind turbine for a decade. He's only seen about three bird deaths.
Okay.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's very low. How about that?

Speaker 3 That's

Speaker 3 a million birds are killed each day by a cat.

Speaker 1 And the turbines take 100 gallons of oil and they can be to keep it going, moving, to like grease the wheels and stuff. And that could be in there for years.
Three bird deaths can't be true.

Speaker 1 That's what he said. Hank, I don't know if I can do that.
I think I've had more birds fly into my window in my apartment.

Speaker 3 What kind of apartment do you have?

Speaker 1 I live in like.

Speaker 1 He works on a wind turbine with 400 of them, and he said, I have seen maybe three bird deaths near the towers.

Speaker 3 Hank, I have a question for you.

Speaker 1 Yes, PFT.

Speaker 1 Also,

Speaker 3 how do you feel about electricity?

Speaker 1 It's cool. Pro.

Speaker 3 Okay, well, it's interesting because also power lines kill 64 million birds a year.

Speaker 1 Damn.

Speaker 3 And they're everywhere. That's a lot.

Speaker 1 And only 140,000 on wind turbines?

Speaker 4 It's only 140,000?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's in the low end.

Speaker 4 And it's 316 million.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 From cats? From cats. You're forgetting feral cats.

Speaker 4 They kill all of them. That seems erroneous.

Speaker 1 I Googled it and I read it off Google.

Speaker 1 Also,

Speaker 1 AWL Ethan wanted to say real quick, fuck you, Clay. I don't know what that's about.
I'll just say it would do it.

Speaker 3 Lighthouses can kill birds.

Speaker 1 Oh, especially during migration.

Speaker 3 When birds are drawn to the light and collide with the sun.

Speaker 1 I don't see a stat.

Speaker 4 They can kill birds. Anything can kill birds.
You can kill birds.

Speaker 4 That brought this to mind. Zach.

Speaker 4 Do lighthouses kill birds? They can kill birds.

Speaker 3 What I'm hearing is that Carson Wentz is responsible for more bird deaths a year than windmills.

Speaker 1 It's difficult. This is an AI overview.
I'm just going to read off this. It's difficult to give an exact number for lighthouse-specific deaths, but estimates

Speaker 1 suggest up to a billion birds a year die from collisions with artificial light, with lighthouses and communication towers being a significant factor.

Speaker 1 Okay. That's a lot of bird deaths.
So, are you anti-lighthouse? Nope. Are you anti-bird?

Speaker 1 Where do you land on wind turbines? I actually, I'll say this: here's what I'll say. It's hard to do research about anything because I'm one, stupid, two, I don't trust AI.

Speaker 1 And my conclusion on wind turbines are

Speaker 1 feral cats are a problem. That's my, that's, that's the conclusion I came up with.

Speaker 4 I,

Speaker 4 it was either last summer or the summer before, was on a boat off of Block Island, and the captain was telling me about how a wind turbine broke and the pieces of the wind turbine were just completely destroying the ecosystem of the ocean.

Speaker 4 And basically it did for the whole summer.

Speaker 1 I'd like it on the record.

Speaker 4 And so that is my entire basis of being anti-wind turbine.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 So maybe maybe on land ones, I really don't have a problem. I don't have any anecdote to go against the ones that are on land.
Fine. Get them out of the ocean.

Speaker 1 I will right now say that

Speaker 1 I like my wind turbines not broken.

Speaker 4 Yeah, probably the guy that sent you those stats.

Speaker 1 Again, did you hear my conclusion to the wind turbine debate? Feral cats are a problem. Just as a

Speaker 1 word of warning.

Speaker 3 There's been like one guy in the history of the world that is as anti-windmill as Hank is, and that's Don Quixote. And he got AIDS and died.
Who is that?

Speaker 3 The man of LaMantra.

Speaker 3 Political? Don Quixote.

Speaker 4 Is that the tequila guy?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 4 That's a tequila, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Why didn't he like winter? I don't know.

Speaker 1 He just didn't.

Speaker 3 It was like something going, probably all the tequila that he drank. That's

Speaker 1 crazy.

Speaker 3 And then he went on this quest against windmills, and then I think it was like, I don't know probably hepatitis or something.

Speaker 3 He died, had a bad fever, and could not finish his quest against the windmills. It was very sad.
But good tequila.

Speaker 4 But yeah, I don't, I mean, again, like, I'll stick, I'll stay in my business on getting wind turbines out of the ocean. I don't really care one way or the other about the ones on land.

Speaker 3 I think that's fair. Okay.

Speaker 1 You know what?

Speaker 3 I think you're just anti-that one wind turbine. Because

Speaker 1 people, it falls. What about feral cats?

Speaker 4 That's you need fair. I mean, that's just society.
That's the world.

Speaker 1 Doesn't care about the bird.

Speaker 3 I think Hank might be like a little bit of an internet gangster, like keyboard warrior, because he and I went out yesterday, played a little golf. There was a wind turbine right there.

Speaker 3 He didn't say shit to it in person.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit.

Speaker 1 You pussied out? It was right there. We weren't that close.

Speaker 4 It was in the distance. So big.
They're so big that it looks like a little bit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got a little scared. What do you got to say about that, Kaz? You got a little scared, buddy.

Speaker 1 It wasn't that close. It wasn't within distance.

Speaker 4 I would have tried to hit it it with a golf ball.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, it was staring you down.

Speaker 1 I did see that one video where the guy got the soccer ball and the wind turbine. That was cool.

Speaker 4 That video is cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was really cool.

Speaker 3 I like driving on the road when they transport the wind turbines, like the pieces of them. It's crazy how big they are.

Speaker 1 So we pretty much learned nothing. Yeah.

Speaker 3 The cat thing is a really

Speaker 1 short. It's on my radar now.
Illinois has more wind turbines than Indiana, I found out. Oh.

Speaker 1 So this all started from you trying to own someone, and then you got owned. No, but Indiana just has nothing.
Oh,

Speaker 1 they're not even good enough to have wind turbines. You got the Hoosiers.

Speaker 1 That's good.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Indiana's got stuff.

Speaker 1 They have a lot of stuff. Indiana's got a lot of stuff.
I feel like Illinois and Chicago are different. Well, I mean, like, if you go south, yeah, it's like farmland.
Yeah, it's just

Speaker 1 completely different.

Speaker 1 I've only seen this part of Illinois. So have you.

Speaker 1 No, he drove. Well, he drove to.
That's not really. But it's all

Speaker 1 of your driving is in other states whenever you travel anywhere from where we are.

Speaker 3 What's really cool is driving out, like, if you're in the farmland area of like Illinois and Iowa at nighttime and you just see the blinking red lights from all the windmills that are off in the distance.

Speaker 1 It's kind of cool. And they're very cool.
Yeah. And they're just very welcoming, and no birds fly into them.

Speaker 3 No, but because they've got blinking lights on them. Like, oh, that light's red.
That means danger.

Speaker 1 Okay, next game. Good job, Jets and Browns.
Next game, the Patriots and the Bucs. The game of the week.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Barcelona game of the week on DraftKings Sportsbook. How are we feeling, boys? The Bucs right now are sitting at 2.5-point favorites.
The over-under is 48.5.

Speaker 4 This will obviously be in the Hunger Dog.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Zach, Hank.

Speaker 6 Feeling good about the game.

Speaker 1 By the way,

Speaker 1 we should say real quick, Zach is a little nervous right now because Spotify has updated their

Speaker 1 app and you can now see how many people listen to each episode. This has been for a little while.
Yeah, but shout out the AWLs. It's pretty insane.

Speaker 1 We have like 500,000-plus people on listening to every show just on Spotify. That doesn't include Apple, YouTube, all the other apps.
So Zach seeing the numbers and being like

Speaker 1 us explaining to him that it's like a million people listen to every episode has him a little rattled right now.

Speaker 6 Shout out to the AWS.

Speaker 1 Great group of guys and women and everybody who listens yeah so that that was just heard by a million people

Speaker 1 you guys rule

Speaker 3 we might have lost zach zach if you were if you were to talk to um what's the capacity of raymond james stadium do you know 75 000 okay so let's just think like uh if you took we'll say 25 raymond james stadiums filled to capacity And they're getting ready for kickoff and they want to hear some words of motivation or

Speaker 3 Zach's keys to the game.

Speaker 3 All those people right now are in front of you. You have one mic, and they're all looking at you right now.
What do you say to those people?

Speaker 6 It's play ball.

Speaker 3 That's good. That's good.
I think you nailed that.

Speaker 1 Zach's not happy with the way that Hank talked about the boat or the ship. Oh, yeah, the pirate ship.

Speaker 6 Not unhappy.

Speaker 6 You didn't have to come for the pirate ship like that.

Speaker 6 It's a fun thing for the fans.

Speaker 4 I like the pirate ship. I don't think you...

Speaker 1 I like that take. I don't think you're taking it.

Speaker 4 I just said

Speaker 4 the shape of the stadium was bizarre. It is.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Game time.

Speaker 3 It's weird.

Speaker 1 Stand on business, Hank. What do you did this wind turbine fuck you up? Go after Zach.
I like the fucking boat.

Speaker 4 I'm pro ocean aquatics, everything involved. So I'm not going to sit here and besmirch a boat and then prop up a lighthouse.
That would make no sense. Okay.

Speaker 1 I don't know what to make of this game because Drake May has been incredible against the Blitz so far this season. He is number one in its success rate, 64% against the Blitz.

Speaker 1 And Todd Bowles loves to Blitz.

Speaker 3 He does. So

Speaker 1 what's going to happen? I don't know. Bucks off a buy.
This is a big game. This is a

Speaker 3 surreal game for the Patriots.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because obviously the Bills game was a huge one, but then you guys have not played the best. You've taken care of business.

Speaker 4 That was a passing of the torch game.

Speaker 4 This is not a must-win. It is a must-compete.
It is like, if we lose, I'm not going to be... like, if we lose and it's a close game, I think that might be a good thing long term.

Speaker 4 Like, this could be a start of the championship DVD game. Wow.
No, I'm just saying, like, I'm not going to be doom and gloom if we lose this game.

Speaker 4 Depending on how we lose, if we lose by, call it 10 plus, then yeah,

Speaker 4 that's going to have to be a big reset expectations, like what's going on.

Speaker 4 I don't think we're going to win out. Like, I think that would be unrealistic to say we're going to lose at some point.
It might be this week. I still think we're going to win, but

Speaker 4 it's a must-compete.

Speaker 3 It would be a little doom and gloom, though, if you lost, lost, the Bills won, and then now you're looking at the division standings, you're looking at the playoff pictures.

Speaker 3 I'll show you a better schedule.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 3 so not doom and gloom.

Speaker 1 No, the Bills have a little bit of gloom. I think the Bills have the easiest schedule remaining.

Speaker 3 Maybe a little bit of gloom.

Speaker 4 I thought we had the easiest schedule before and after. I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 1 Look up the easiest schedule remaining. The Bills have a very easy schedule remaining as well.

Speaker 1 The Chiefs was the reason why the Bills schedule remaining

Speaker 1 was not the easiest, but I think now

Speaker 1 that they've gotten past the Chiefs,

Speaker 1 I think it's pretty damn easy. Keep scrolling, keep scrolling, keep scrolling.

Speaker 2 Oh, no, I was wrong.

Speaker 1 All right, so it is, it's still the Patriots.

Speaker 1 The Bills do have an easy schedule. They have the, what is it? Scroll down?

Speaker 4 We have 32nd, they have 28. Okay.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, it's going to be. Oh, yeah, they still have to play the Eagles.

Speaker 1 The Bills still.

Speaker 3 I miss Bucky Irving.

Speaker 3 I miss the days when Bucky Irving was playing on Sundays.

Speaker 1 I think he is.

Speaker 3 He's back?

Speaker 4 I was looking on DraftKings as we were doing this game, and he's listed as a touchdown scorer.

Speaker 3 Because that could be huge for the Bucs.

Speaker 1 Zach.

Speaker 1 Yes, sir. Will you be sitting in the cave with us?

Speaker 6 I can sit and watch whatever you'd like me to sit and watch. Okay.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Maybe Hank in the middle of you and Che?

Speaker 1 Are you ready for Che? Oh, you love Che.

Speaker 4 Che does nothing for me.

Speaker 4 He couldn't get me mad if he tried, and he's not scary whatsoever.

Speaker 6 I think that's a good group of guys to watch a game with.

Speaker 1 He's the same.

Speaker 4 I mean, I don't even. Steven's a little can be annoying.
Jack is just a delight.

Speaker 1 Zach. Zach.
Yeah. He is a delight.
That was fucked up.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that was pretty messed up. That was fucked up.
What? You just

Speaker 1 called him Jack. They sound so similar.
I mean.

Speaker 1 You called him Jack by accident. Sorry.

Speaker 4 Sorry, only a million people heard him call you jack yeah i don't care that has never that bothered me i would have not been on the show 10 years ago no but it's it's insane

Speaker 1 he's got it in his head no it's gonna be a good game i'm looking forward to it see these are the takes we get now give us your spiciest take about this game uh hottest take i guess hottest take about this game would be uh this could be

Speaker 6 i think it's a game we're going into this game everyone's taking the the bucks maybe not i'm not gonna say should win but like uh

Speaker 1 probably may win may win

Speaker 3 Definitely a May win. It's a May win.

Speaker 6 Drake Mays wins. Might be a little inflated due to their easy schedule this year.

Speaker 1 Whoa, yeah.

Speaker 1 Good luck when you play, Zach. Whoa!

Speaker 1 So we'll see. Get his ass.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 That's a great point by Zach.

Speaker 1 That was a spicy take. I'm going to be pissed at you for that.

Speaker 3 All the years of the show, we've never thought to call it a May win. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Saints at Panthers.
Panthers minus five and a half. Over-under is 39.5.
Hank, have you seen any other hungry dogs we've hit on or no?

Speaker 4 No, I'll let you know.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'm interested because this might be the week that I opt in.

Speaker 3 The Panthers.

Speaker 3 Panthers are favorites. Yep.
The first time all season.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 3 That's crazy that they have the record that they have right now and they have yet to be favored in a single game.

Speaker 1 Since 2020, the Carolina Panthers are 3-13 against the spread as favorites. The three quarterbacks they beat as favorites were Davis Mills, Zach Wilson, and Dwayne Haskins.
So

Speaker 1 not a lot of times they're favorites.

Speaker 1 Tyler Shuck, he fits in nicely with that group, though, doesn't he? I don't know. They had the ball like two times in the second half last week.

Speaker 3 I kind of feel bad for Shuck because

Speaker 3 they traded Rashid Shaheed, and then Chris Olave, he also tweeted out the unhappy face after it all happened.

Speaker 3 But if you've got a rookie quarterback that just now got the job, and then you trade away the deep threat option that he seemed to like,

Speaker 3 that's a tough day at work. This is going going to be a tough week of work for Tyler Shuck.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 the Saints had the ball for 16 minutes last Sunday. That's insane.
They just didn't have the ball. I feel like we're going to maybe get a lot of Taysom Hill in this game.

Speaker 1 We should. Think about that.
We should. Think about that.

Speaker 3 Outside of Taysom Hill. We're going to work him along.
Taysom Hill, Olave, Kamara.

Speaker 3 I don't really know who else the Saints have on.

Speaker 1 Juan

Speaker 1 Johnson.

Speaker 3 Do they have him?

Speaker 1 Is that their tight end i think they've got the guy from denver vele is i like the saints tight end because he's one of those guys who yeah juwan johnson he's one of those guys who will score three touchdowns in one game a year and everyone will look at his stats on fantasy and be like should i pick him up he scored a lot of points then you realize he did it all in one game yeah what are his stats this year What are Juwan Johnson's stats this year?

Speaker 1 Look him up for me, Max.

Speaker 1 He does feel like that type of guy where he'll just go off. And this might also be like last year he did this or two years ago he did this.
He has two touchdowns this year. He's not a...

Speaker 1 I like him, though, because he sometimes scores touchdowns and I get pumped. I'm like, ooh, should I pick him up?

Speaker 3 400 yards receiving. Oh, Brandon Cooks.
He's on the Saints. Yeah, Brandon Cooks.
That's cool. And yeah, Devon Vele.
I guess Vele's

Speaker 3 number.

Speaker 3 He's a starting receiver this weekend. Good for him.
Good luck.

Speaker 1 Point of clarification, Juwan

Speaker 1 Johnson, Johnson, I don't think, has ever scored three touchdowns in a game. He did in 2022, had two games where he scored two touchdowns.
That was huge.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I just made this up in my head, but that's okay. Sometimes you got to just make shit up in your head.
It's okay.

Speaker 3 He's got one of those names.

Speaker 1 But two touchdowns is basically three touchdowns for a guy like him.

Speaker 3 That's true. With Chuck, you get rid of your deep threat option, then you also trade away an offensive lineman.
That feels like it. It feels like they're not really

Speaker 3 mean. They're not really setting him up to win.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is a big... I mean, the Panthers at 6-4.

Speaker 1 This could be the Panthers at 6-4. Do we trust to bet on them?

Speaker 3 I think that I do. MeowMix came back, but then...
No, they didn't. Well, they said that they were going to come back, and then on our show and many other shows, they said, you can't do this.

Speaker 3 You can't come back, MeowMix. We're running hot right now.
And then a bunch of former Panthers weighed in, like Jonathan Stewart was like, you can't do the podcast now, guys.

Speaker 3 You got to sit this one out for the good of the team. So they issued a statement saying,

Speaker 3 we're listening to you guys. We can't come back right now.
Thank you for your support. Yeah.
So they're men of the people at Meow Mix. Yes, big time.

Speaker 1 Okay, next up, Jaguars, Texans.

Speaker 1 Davis Mills time. We had Davis Mills going up against Trevor Lawrence.
Texans are plus one and a half. Over-under is 37.5.

Speaker 1 Did you guys see James Gladstone, the Wiz Kid GM of the Jaguars, take, I would say, maybe a subtle shot at Brian Thomas when talking about Jacoby Myers.

Speaker 1 He said Jacoby Jacoby Myers' superpower is not dropping the football.

Speaker 3 It says a lot that that could be interpreted as a shot at your number one wide receiver.

Speaker 1 Well, he said the full quote is

Speaker 1 you think about where we're at in terms of volume of drops.

Speaker 1 What's his superpower? It's not dropping the football, right? So you just take it from the surface level. It seems fitting.
So yeah.

Speaker 1 He basically is saying Brian Thomas just drops it so much we need someone who wouldn't drop it.

Speaker 1 Also, Jacoby Myers has the weird wrinkle of playing for the team he just played against, and he said it is weird because

Speaker 1 it's very weird because I was just talking crazy to some people.

Speaker 3 I like that.

Speaker 1 He had to come in and be like,

Speaker 1 you guys know how it gets out there.

Speaker 3 Yeah, my bad guys. Nothing personal.
It's like that bell curve thing where it's like the idiots at one end when they analyze wide receivers and they're like, he doesn't drop the pass.

Speaker 3 And then everybody in the middle is like, this guy has explosive separation at the middle of his nine routes. It's our middle of his six routes.
He's incredible between the hash marks.

Speaker 3 And then at the very end, it's this wide receiver is good because he doesn't drop the football. Yeah.

Speaker 3 That's how you analyze it when you're an expert or an idiot, which is great.

Speaker 3 I think I like the Jaguars. I cannot trust the Texans.

Speaker 1 You can't trust the Jaguars either.

Speaker 3 And to me, it doesn't really matter that much if it's C.J. Stroud or Davis Mills.
I think that their problems run a lot deeper than just who's throwing the ball. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But on defense, they're really good. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I think the Jaguars are going to have a long day on offense, but I do think that this is a.

Speaker 1 My strategy with the Texans is basically when they play a team that can get a pass rush, you bet against the Texans. The Jaguars can.

Speaker 1 And when they play a team that can't, you bet on the Texans. So I'm going to take the Jaguars in this game, and I'm going to hope and pray that they can do enough offensively to win this game.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because this could be an ugly one. Last time Davis Mills faced Trevor Lawrence, the Jaguars won 31-3.

Speaker 1 Not that that matters at all. Right?

Speaker 1 No. No.
I'm not going to. Whatever.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Afternoon games.

Speaker 1 Is the Texans one of your hungry dogs? No. Now get involved in this game.
This might be one of your hungry dogs.

Speaker 1 This is the Cardinals. Nope.
Plus 6.5 at the Seahawks.

Speaker 1 And the over-under right now is sitting at 45.5. The Kyler Murray era is officially

Speaker 3 It was really strange this week because after the game was over, Gannon seemed to indicate that he was not going to bench Kyler Murray for reasons outside of injury.

Speaker 3 And then they asked him to clarify it again later. Has anything changed? And he said, pretty much, yeah, it kind of has changed.

Speaker 3 He doesn't want to say that Kyler Murray's benched.

Speaker 3 But he kind of was forced to say it a little bit this week. And I think anybody that watched knows because in all the games that Kyler Murray had with Jonathan Gannon as his head coach,

Speaker 3 he has not really come close to touching what Jacoby Brissett has done in his very limited time running that offense. Correct.
And so, for anyone that's watching,

Speaker 3 we all know that Jacoby Brissette is not a quarterback of the future, but we know it looks a lot better when he's in there.

Speaker 1 Yes. And the Seahawks are really fucking good.
They're really good. They're Super Bowl contenders.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what was your favorite Kyler Murray memory? The Hail Murray. The Hail Murray.
Yeah, the Hail Murray.

Speaker 1 I was going to say, I think the time that he, the one time he played in the playoffs, and I bet on him, they got absolutely killed.

Speaker 1 And then I think he blocked me on Twitter after that.

Speaker 3 I'm just thinking back to the times

Speaker 3 he's just scooted around out there.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Right?

Speaker 3 Just like a little rug rat.

Speaker 1 And you're right. I mean, Jacoby Brissette has just looked better.
He looks like he runs the offense better.

Speaker 3 I have a fun stat for you, big cat. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Did you know that Jacoby Brissette

Speaker 3 has the all-time lowest career interception percentage?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 3 1.33%.

Speaker 1 Damn. Now, is that a situation where he should be throwing more?

Speaker 3 Maybe. Interceptions? Maybe.
But I think he's also the best quarterback at quarterback sneaks in the non-Jalen Hurts category in the history of the NFL.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I just like the Cardinals in this game, and it's purely because I think the Cardinals are a little underrated the way they've lost a lot of their games.

Speaker 1 Jacoby Brissette's been playing better than Kyler Murray, and the Seahawks, Seahawks, this is kind of the peak of, like, they just went on a primetime game and played perfect football against Commanders.

Speaker 3 It was perfect football.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 everyone's got that in their brain. Mike McDonald also is awesome on the road, not as awesome at home.
I think the Seahawks are a really good team. I'm buying their stock overall.

Speaker 1 I'm just taking the six and a half.

Speaker 3 Did you know that the Seahawks,

Speaker 3 they have the best against the spread record in the NFL?

Speaker 3 And they average 8.6 above the spread.

Speaker 3 They're beating Vegas.

Speaker 3 They're crushing Vegas.

Speaker 1 It probably helped a lot.

Speaker 3 That game did help a lot on Sunday.

Speaker 1 They win by 28. That game helped.

Speaker 3 But they are, yeah, they're almost two scores above Vegas.

Speaker 1 Damn. Good for the Seahawks.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 At least Kylo Murray gets Call of Duty time.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's a nice time for him, right?

Speaker 1 Do you think there's a chance he could maybe go play baseball? How cool would that be?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's got so. How much money is he?

Speaker 3 He's got some baseball on him. I can see some like.

Speaker 3 Remember that when that was a real Anthony Rendon tendencies.

Speaker 1 He made the right choice. I'll say that.

Speaker 1 Even if he never is a good starting quarterback in the NFL and never gets another bona fide shot, he made the correct choice because he's made $170 million.

Speaker 3 Great choice.

Speaker 1 You have to be a really good baseball player to make that. Great decision.

Speaker 3 But again, I don't think I'm done with Kyler Murray.

Speaker 3 The next stop. Get him in a good spot.
I think he could have a little second career.

Speaker 1 I am very done. I'm happy that I'm done with Kyler Murray in Arizona because I was so sick of that.

Speaker 3 It's just not, it's not a good vibe.

Speaker 1 It's just never, it's not, it hasn't been a good vibe for a long time. Yeah.
And it's good for it to be there. Would you take him on the Jets?

Speaker 1 For free.

Speaker 3 For free?

Speaker 1 Nothing in life is too fast. I think he's got one of the worst contracts in the league.
He's got three years remaining. They cut him after

Speaker 1 the second year. So he's got two more years of getting like $50 million.

Speaker 3 He should get fat. Yeah, Out of protests.
He would look hilarious if he got fat.

Speaker 1 So next year he's making $53 million. The year after, he's making $43 million potential out in 2028.

Speaker 1 What about baseball? Would you take him on the Mets?

Speaker 3 What position?

Speaker 1 Whatever you want.

Speaker 1 Sure. Like, what if he quit right now and

Speaker 1 I'm going to go to spring training again? Yeah, it'd be awesome. It'd be cool.

Speaker 1 He's young enough. He's young enough that he definitely could still do it.
Imagine if he just became a good baseball player. He's older than I thought.
28. He just turned 28.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, there's late bloomers. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He could do it. Okay.

Speaker 1 Another, we got two more afternoon games. Rams at Niners.
This is going to be a good game.

Speaker 3 Oh, here we go.

Speaker 1 Niners plus four and a half over under 49 and a half. I know what you're going to say.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so the last 14 times these teams have played, the underdog has covered 13 of them.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And Kyle Shanahan, he owns McVay.

Speaker 3 Except for that, except for the one NFC championship. Yeah, but outside of that, he's been dominant.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I think Purdy's getting re-evaluated. I don't know if Purdy's going to play again this year.
I don't know how bad that fit is.

Speaker 1 It's so weird. I don't get it.
I don't get it. We also get the thicker kicker there for the Rams.
They signed the Harrison Mivus guy from Missouri.

Speaker 3 Love that.

Speaker 1 Six feet tall, 242 pounds.

Speaker 3 That's awesome. It's going to be so sick.

Speaker 1 We need more of those.

Speaker 3 That's awesome.

Speaker 1 Puka Baby Bump.

Speaker 3 I think he got the Baby Bump. It already happened.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What? What was that face?

Speaker 4 Baby drama bump.

Speaker 1 Oh, is there baby drama bump? He broke up with her.

Speaker 4 Isn't there baby drama?

Speaker 1 Did he break up with her? I don't know. I don't know.
I think that was TikTok rumor and

Speaker 1 we did have a kid together. Oh, okay.

Speaker 3 Congratulations to Puka.

Speaker 1 Congratulations to me.

Speaker 4 Jerry's in my head.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Jerry has been just spreading that for some reason. I don't know why.

Speaker 3 He told me today that Italians were done in this country. Over?

Speaker 1 Italians done.

Speaker 3 Done. No, because a lot of them are attracted to Latinas.
That's Jerry. And so then they have kids with Latinas, and then there's no more Italians.

Speaker 1 So Jerry just looked at his own kids and was like, man, Italians are dumb.

Speaker 3 No, Italians are done.

Speaker 1 Italians are done.

Speaker 1 Too much crossbreeding for Italians?

Speaker 3 I guess, I don't know. I'm just reporting what I heard from Jerry, that Italians are dumb.

Speaker 1 I mean, he has a sample size of two in his house.

Speaker 3 That is true. And those

Speaker 1 are done of

Speaker 3 his children. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Are not 100% Italian.

Speaker 3 At that rate, we're not going to have Italians in like three years.

Speaker 1 Max, do you agree? Italians,

Speaker 1 based on Jerry's research, they are done.

Speaker 3 Not Jerry O'Connell. Jersey Jerry.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Jersey Jerry. Whoa.

Speaker 1 Jersey Jerry has Italian. Yeah, I know.
But he said Italians are done.

Speaker 1 His girlfriend is Colombian, and he has two children with her, and that is now made non-Italian babies.

Speaker 1 They're still Italian. Yeah.

Speaker 3 No, but all of them, according to Jerry, are they more attracted to Latina women? Yeah.

Speaker 3 And so then they have kids, and then eventually there's no more Italians.

Speaker 4 Do I have permission to leave for one second? Yeah, of course.

Speaker 1 I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 1 Jerry's wrong. Well, no, he's right in his house.

Speaker 1 He is attracted to Latina women. Correct.
Yeah, but he's Italian. But

Speaker 1 he doesn't get to speak on all Italian women. Anecdotally speaking, he's right.
Wrong.

Speaker 3 He's 100% right for what he knows.

Speaker 1 As an Italian, he's attracted to Latinas, and then he procreated with a Latina. He is right for himself.
My fiancé, also not Italian. Oh, no,

Speaker 1 there we go.

Speaker 3 Here we go, Max. My wife's Italian.

Speaker 1 I'm not. There we go.
There it is. There we go.
So it keeps happening. No, that's what you're saying.
It keeps happening.

Speaker 3 I'm 1% Italian. And I got to say, my brother's married to an Italian.

Speaker 3 I'm probably at least 2% attracted to Latinas. So, So, yeah, the math checks out.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 your brother's got to have like 1,000 kids.

Speaker 1 Big Dom. Big Dom.
Big Dom.

Speaker 1 Shout out, Baby Dom. Shout out, Baby Dom.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I like the Niners in this game. I do, too.
We finally got a Hungry Dog, and then Hank left.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, I do, too.

Speaker 3 I like the Niners a lot.

Speaker 3 I wouldn't care who the favorite was. I think I would just, I would take the Niners.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a game where you just take the underdog. That's exactly right.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 this was Hank's big moment with his hungry dog.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Well, yeah, he did ask for permission.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he did. What has he got?

Speaker 3 He's got a P? I think maybe Oil Lobby's hitting him up.

Speaker 1 He's so scared of the windmills.

Speaker 1 Okay, PFT, your game. Commanders are currently seven and a half point underdogs.
Over-under is 49.5.

Speaker 3 How you feeling?

Speaker 3 Terrible because the Lions, they lost last week and their backs are against the wall.

Speaker 3 We're a bad team that lost last week, so that doesn't really affect us as much, in my opinion. Not only did we lose, we obviously lost Jaden,

Speaker 3 Marshawn Lattimore towards ACL, which is saying, like,

Speaker 3 he's stunk.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but you could have maybe traded him.

Speaker 3 He's stunk, but he was probably our best cornerback.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's not good.

Speaker 3 It's not good. That's not a good place to be.
And, I mean, Amos is, I think he's good for a rookie. I like Mikey, but

Speaker 3 I don't know how we're going to defend against the Detroit Lions. I really don't.
I think that Dan Campbell is

Speaker 3 going to have his team just like salivating, ready to destroy us. I think we're going to get destroyed.
I don't. I think this is going to, big cat, listen, I've seen this movie so many times before.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 3 I'm not going to bet on this game, but the Lions, what are they, nine and a half?

Speaker 1 Seven and a half.

Speaker 1 I think this is going to be one of those weird weeks. That's all I'll say.
Watch out. Feels like these are the weeks where, you know, we're going to have one.

Speaker 1 Maybe it's stupid to try to time it, but there is definitely a week in the next couple of weeks coming up where everyone's going to lose everything.

Speaker 3 Here's what I will say. I think that there's probably, if you want to bet on the props, I could talk about some of the props in this game because I think

Speaker 3 that Vegas doesn't think that Marcus Mariota is capable of throwing a forward pass. And he is.
He is. And he can throw some touchdowns.

Speaker 3 So you can find some value for the commanders in terms of touchdown scores. But

Speaker 3 I would not ever dream about betting on the commanders in this spot. Like, I want to go out on the street and warn people.

Speaker 3 Are you or a loved one considering betting on the Washington Commanders this weekend? Because we suck dick.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 we got, obviously, Luke is out. Terry is still out.
So we got Debo.

Speaker 3 We got Marcus.

Speaker 3 We got Bill.

Speaker 3 And we don't really play defense at all, but we did make a big move today.

Speaker 3 Joe Witt, our defensive coordinator, is moving down to the sideline. Oh, so yeah, instead of getting fired, he just is going to take it.

Speaker 3 Maybe it was just an optical illusion from where he was sitting, the defense wasn't bad. Now that he's going to be on the sidelines, it might look better up close.

Speaker 3 It'd be nice if he were to change up the defense a little bit,

Speaker 3 but I don't think he wants to do that. The other story this week was Dan Quinn taking full responsibility for leaving Jaden in the game, which I agree.
Yes, Dan, that was your responsibility.

Speaker 3 It was good to hear him say that he was responsible for it.

Speaker 3 And I think that the team's still going to play hard for Dan Quinn because they like him.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 3 that was the stupidest fucking mistake that you can make if you have a player like Jaden Daniels and he made it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Really dumb. But to his credit, he was like, yeah, that was a stupid fucking mistake that I made.
Yeah. And you can judge me on it.

Speaker 1 So at least he owned up to it. I will.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 What do you think?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 I think we are underrating Marcus Mariota. I agree with you on that.

Speaker 1 I think the Lions might have some issues that

Speaker 1 are like they're a good team, but they might have a few issues. I don't know.
The thing that scares me the most, and I probably will, like, this is my lean is the Commanders.

Speaker 1 I probably won't actually bet on this game. And actually, when I say that right now, I definitely will bet on this game because it's one of three afternoon games.
So I take all that back.

Speaker 1 I will definitely bet on this game.

Speaker 1 The thing that makes me nervous is Dan Campbell off a loss. Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 I agree.

Speaker 3 I have a staff for you. Ready for this?

Speaker 1 Teams after losing a Zay favorite of seven points or more are 81, 57, and 3 against the spread, 58.7%, including 22 and 13 against spread over the last three seasons.

Speaker 3 That's a high strike rate.

Speaker 1 And that would be the Lions fall under that category. And I think there's one other I'm forgetting.

Speaker 1 Who lost his over seven-point favorite outright last week?

Speaker 3 So they're they're probably.

Speaker 3 No? No, Colts were three-point favorites.

Speaker 1 They'd have to be

Speaker 3 a good team. They'd have to be a good team.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Packers.

Speaker 1 That's just staring right at me. Listen, I'd stat.
It's Packard Dan. No, we're just saying.
Bear stands everywhere. Just so you know, we got Packard this week.

Speaker 1 We got Packard Danny. I already bet the Eagles, so you can see.
I know, but you're saying that

Speaker 1 in your head. I'm in your head if you're rooting for the Packers.
No, I'm not.

Speaker 1 No, if the Packers lose, the Bears win, the Bears will be in first place. Apparently, it doesn't matter when you're fighting for seeding.

Speaker 1 Well, no, if we were playing the Packers next week, it would be different. Oh, yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is insane.

Speaker 3 It's okay to be wrong.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying it's stats. I'm just saying that you guys are wrong.

Speaker 3 Max's problem is that he just can't admit being wrong, and that's all right.

Speaker 1 This is a stat. This has no feelings.

Speaker 1 Stats are just no feelings. There's no feelings in a stat.

Speaker 3 You're getting mad at numbers, bro.

Speaker 1 You're getting mad at numbers.

Speaker 1 No, Jared Goff and Dan Campbell are

Speaker 1 21 and 8 against the spread off a straight-up loss. Yeah, they're going to kick our ass.

Speaker 3 It's going to be an ass kicking.

Speaker 1 You're probably right.

Speaker 3 Nothing good is going to happen.

Speaker 3 I think that the one way that we could be competitive in this game is if we somehow figure out a way to generate pressure up the middle.

Speaker 3 And so when Jared's doing his play action, have a guy right in Jared's face when he turns around.

Speaker 3 But if there's not a guy already in his face as he turns around from the play action, he's going to throw for 450 yards against us.

Speaker 1 Maybe the field's wet.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we could lube it up real nice.

Speaker 1 Is it going to rain at all?

Speaker 3 Anything outside of that, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's not going to be fun.

Speaker 3 This is one of those weekends, and fan bases deal with this on a week-to-week base.

Speaker 3 Like, there are some weeks that you know that you're about to get your teeth kicked in, and on Sunday morning, you got to wake up,

Speaker 3 you got to put on your jersey, you got to put on your

Speaker 3 matching pants and your hat and announce to the world that I am a Commanders fan on the way to my own funeral.

Speaker 3 And you just got to sit there and get your teeth kicked in and be like, well, we suck. And then that's

Speaker 3 for a lot of people watching the NFL. That's that's every week for them.
Yeah. And that's just,

Speaker 3 it's my turn. Well, it's my watch.
We've got to punch the clock.

Speaker 1 If we're going to spin it one good way, the Lions, if they do demolish the Commanders like you expect it to happen, that's good for whoever plays the next week.

Speaker 3 Oh, who are they playing next week?

Speaker 1 Who are the Lions playing next week? Because then the Lions would be off a really big win. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Shut up. Oh, yeah.
They're playing the Eagles.

Speaker 1 Oh, are they? Yes. Wow.

Speaker 3 Max, you've got to root for the Commanders this weekend, buddy.

Speaker 1 This is one of the dumbest debates we've ever had. And I just get so much joy out of it.
It was like a throwaway

Speaker 1 comment I made.

Speaker 3 I was just like, man, you probably wish that

Speaker 1 they had won that game. We're on episode three of this.
I love it so much.

Speaker 1 The fact that the Lions are playing the Eagles next screen.

Speaker 3 I've also been asking everybody that I see in my life what they think about this hypothetical scenario.

Speaker 1 But you never bring up the fact that it put the Eagles atop of the NFC. Yes, dude.
When are you going to figure out that we manipulate the argument to win it?

Speaker 1 Like, how long is it going to take for you to figure that out? I don't care. I know what you do.
I can't help myself. You know I can't help myself.

Speaker 1 And it's going to be...

Speaker 1 I always leave out the division, the conference standard. I've never brought up the conference standard.

Speaker 1 This is the one Monday night game that we're streaming all year just so that we can talk about this

Speaker 1 for an entire game. I'm going to drop a bomb on the Eagles because

Speaker 1 I want the birds to just fly, and I don't want. Listen, I don't want to be right.

Speaker 3 I don't want to be right. I'll tell you one better, Max.
You should kind of be room for the Eagles to lose this weekend so that you can beat the Lions.

Speaker 3 Because if you look at the best rosters, I think that the Lions...

Speaker 3 Listen, hear me out, Max. The Lions are probably going to be, in my opinion right now, it's still early.
The Lions, I think, are more of a threat to go to the Super Bowl than the Packers are.

Speaker 3 I know they played week one, but that was.

Speaker 3 But that was actually...

Speaker 3 What happened after the Lions lost to the Packers week one, Max? I don't care.

Speaker 3 They got good again. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 They got good again. They got good again.
It's true.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 1 just something to think about. Yeah, something to think about.
Something to think about.

Speaker 1 The Packers win against the Eagles. They'll be 6-2-1.
If the Lions beat the Commanders, they'll be 6-3. Then you've got to worry.
Then you've got to beat the Eagles.

Speaker 1 The Eagles got to beat the Lions, otherwise they would.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 You should be thinking about losing to the Packers.

Speaker 1 Just to get yourself ready for the Lions.

Speaker 3 Yeah, on a short week.

Speaker 1 This is the hardest schedule ever.

Speaker 1 When I was looking at it, I saw the Lions were playing the Eagles next week. I was like, well, I've got to throw this in my notes.

Speaker 3 Max,

Speaker 3 do you hope that the Commanders beat the Lions? What would your thought be going to play against the Lions next week if the Commanders somehow beat them?

Speaker 1 I would like the Commanders to beat the Lions.

Speaker 3 Look at you. Look at you, Commie Max.

Speaker 1 I would like the Commanders to beat the Lions. Rooting for the Commies.
All of the teams in the top of the NFC

Speaker 1 to lose.

Speaker 3 It'd be sick if we beat the Lions and went on a winning streak in the season, and then we overtook the Eagles.

Speaker 1 Are you you going to start rooting against the Bears?

Speaker 3 Oh, because Max was. Did they beat the Giants?

Speaker 1 Bears aren't great. Oh, shit.
Bears aren't great, are you? If they beat the Giants, it'd be 6-3.

Speaker 1 The Bears aren't even in the playoffs right now. I understand that.
I don't think they're a good team yet.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying, if they're 6-3.

Speaker 3 I had a fancy question for you guys. Jerry O'Connell,

Speaker 3 he's been calling me. He was upset that he did not know that Jaden Daniels injured his elbow when he started pounding his chest and being like, look, what a great job I am as a fantasy owner.

Speaker 3 I started Brock Bowers. You remember that Jerry in the preseason, he said that Jaden was going to break every quarterback record of all time?

Speaker 3 Jerry asked for permission to release Jaden Daniels from our team today. First of all, Jerry, he never asks us for permission for anything.

Speaker 1 That was nice. That was respectful.

Speaker 3 I would like to see Jerry keep Jaden Daniels on the team on the bench. Yeah.

Speaker 3 That way Jaden can get a ring if we win that league.

Speaker 1 Does he have an IR spot?

Speaker 3 He's got IR spots, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so then do it. Put him on the raw raw shots.

Speaker 3 So then, Jerry, I want Jaden on that team so that he can be a champion at the end of this year. Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 1 Yeah. IR spot.

Speaker 3 Put him on there. This is an order coming from the top.

Speaker 1 Okay, last game. Steelers, Chargers.
Chargers are three-point favorites. Over-under is 45.5.

Speaker 1 I think I saw a stat since 2008, these teams have just flipped, flopped wins and losses when they play.

Speaker 3 That sounds right.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So, and I think the Steelers won the last one.
Yep. And there's also going to be a lot of Steelers fans there.

Speaker 3 I would say so.

Speaker 1 And also, this is the first time Justin Herbert and Aaron Rodgers are playing against each other.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 also, Joe Alt is out.

Speaker 1 And Joe Alt is out.

Speaker 3 And that Pittsburgh defense looked pretty good last week. The pass rush was there.
Jalen Ramsey at safety.

Speaker 1 So the big thing, though, is Pittsburgh, the Steelers, Mike Tomlin does like to play in a zone, and Justin Herbert shreds zones. But maybe Mike Tomlin's changing.
I don't know. I don't think.

Speaker 1 Probably not.

Speaker 3 If I had to bet on whether or not Mike Tomlin was evolving and changing.

Speaker 1 Changing at all?

Speaker 3 Yeah, it doesn't matter what it is. If it's like the kind of toothpaste that he uses,

Speaker 3 how he likes his steak cooked,

Speaker 3 what kind of defense he runs. Nah.
No.

Speaker 1 Hungry Dog?

Speaker 4 No, the last leg of the Hungry Dog is the Eagles.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 huge.

Speaker 1 Huge.

Speaker 4 Eagles, 49ers, Patriots.

Speaker 1 So a two-day hungry dog. Yep.
Wow. Yeah.
I like Huck. I'm going to take, I got to ride with the dog.
Let's go. Hungry Dog Weekend.
Hungry Dog.

Speaker 1 Hungry Dog weekend.

Speaker 3 So, wait, you said Steelers, Niners. No.
No?

Speaker 1 Niners?

Speaker 1 Eagles. Eagles, Patriots.

Speaker 3 Oh, Niners, Eagles, Patriots. Yeah.
I like that.

Speaker 1 Do it.

Speaker 4 I'm doing it.

Speaker 1 I'll opt in.

Speaker 4 Let's go.

Speaker 3 Do you think that the Eagles are going to be more motivated because they're underdogs?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I think so, too.

Speaker 1 Absolutely.

Speaker 3 Absolutely. Motivation's a funny thing.

Speaker 1 No game has ever been broken down more from a motivational standpoint than this game. Do you think the Lions are rooting for the Eagles

Speaker 1 to win?

Speaker 1 Wait. No, because

Speaker 1 they are. No, the Lions are not rooting for the Eagles to win because

Speaker 1 they're in a division race with the Packers. So standings obviously matter a lot.

Speaker 1 No, but they would.

Speaker 1 No, that argument didn't even work.

Speaker 3 No, he's right.

Speaker 1 Like, at the end of the season. You got to focus on the standing.

Speaker 3 At the end of the season, like, where the Lions finish, when they compare record to record against the Packers,

Speaker 3 that, like, the Packers are too good right now. Yeah.
They want the Packers to lose no matter what.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no matter what.

Speaker 1 It doesn't matter who they're playing the next week. Yeah, but the Eagles play the Lions next week.
Right, right. Yeah.
But

Speaker 1 they need the Packers to lose.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Because they're worried about the division.
Right. I don't think you you understand the division.
Also, Max.

Speaker 3 Right, my bad.

Speaker 3 What's so hard about this? So they want the Eagles to beat the Persians.

Speaker 1 No, it's my bad. I'm not thinking about it.

Speaker 3 They want the Eagles to beat the Packers because they're in a division race with them.

Speaker 3 And also, they play the Eagles next week. Right.
So they're going to be super happy that the Eagles won because

Speaker 3 the Eagles won't be motivated to play against the Lions. Correct.
Double win. This is actually like the easiest one of all.

Speaker 1 But if the Packers win, then the Eagles won't be as motivated against the Lions. No, no, if the Packers were motivated against the Eagles, you'd be super motivated.

Speaker 3 I'm getting this all stuff.

Speaker 1 We've submitted them.

Speaker 1 We've submitted them.

Speaker 3 This game, your game is actually more important to the Lions than it is to either the Packers or the Eagles.

Speaker 1 The Lions will be tuning into your game more than they tune into their own game. Right.
They got a double header. Got it.
Got it. Got it.

Speaker 1 God. My brain needs to be better.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's do our TD parlay. Then we got Jerry's Fantasy Minute, and then we'll do our picks, and we'll get to Chris Long.

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Speaker 1 Boys, what are we doing? What do we got?

Speaker 4 Give us some TD. I like George Kittle.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 You guys like that? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's our best friend. Love him.
I like that a lot. Love him.

Speaker 1 What about a little bit

Speaker 1 lad?

Speaker 1 What about a little lad action?

Speaker 1 A little lad. Lad? I mean, like, lad, I think lad hasn't scored in a while.

Speaker 1 Maybe he scored last week. I feel like he's been a little,

Speaker 1 is what I'm trying to say. Yeah.
Little lad. He's like a little, he's a little shifty in there.
He's a little lad.

Speaker 3 You lose him in the end zone sometimes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. He blends in.
Yeah. He did not score last week.
Okay. Lad, Kittle, and then Max Billed this real quick.
Who else? Okay.

Speaker 3 Ladd, Kittle, and then I'm looking at...

Speaker 1 Me and Memes both said the same guy. What did you guys say? Well, I'll let BFT say it.
No, well, now we have to say it.

Speaker 1 You have to say it first.

Speaker 3 I'm not going to say anybody in the Lions Commanders game, although you could find a lot of people that you could choose to score there.

Speaker 3 But I'm looking at the Cardinal Seahawks, and I'm thinking either JSN or I'm thinking

Speaker 1 Trey McBride. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What were you guys going to say? We were going to say Kyron. Oh.
I think he's like even money, which is, I feel, good value for

Speaker 1 McBride? Yeah, we go a couple tight ends. Then.

Speaker 1 McBride.

Speaker 1 That would be some juicy odds. Lad.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 Kittle.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 What do we got? Is that right? What is that? 15 to 1? Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's pretty good. Yeah.
Fuck yeah. Okay.
Let's listen to Jerry's fantasy minute, and then we'll do our picks.

Speaker 1 By the way, all the Dodgers fans that are just leaving signs saying, let's go Dodgers on his car, please stop. Don't do that.
It's very mean. Please keep doing it.

Speaker 7 All right, start the music.

Speaker 1 Let's start the music meetings.

Speaker 7 I got one minute. Okay.

Speaker 8 Hey, welcome to Fantasy Fuck Boys. We're going to do something different because Reddit said I was doing this all wrong, so we're going to fix it.

Speaker 7 We're going to start savages, people who are savages on the internet, especially Colts fans.

Speaker 8 Love you, Seth.

Speaker 7 We're going to sit blind resumes. We're done with that bit, fellas.

Speaker 3 No more blind resumes. Sit them.

Speaker 7 We're going to sit 1-800 Gambler because

Speaker 7 Big Cat's never calling them after Trevor Lawrence ran in for a touchdown. Congrats, Big Cat.
We're going to sit wind turbines because our green energy expert Hank says they're not good.

Speaker 7 So we're going to sit them. We're also going to...

Speaker 3 Thank you, Jerry.

Speaker 8 We're going to start the people of Indianapolis.

Speaker 7 Okay? Come on, Memes.

Speaker 7 Do better. Love Indianapolis.
We're going to

Speaker 7 sit uh the packs trading at the uh deadline yeah they're receiving corps hard p are uh super good that's did it one minute um fantasy stuff start all the giants Slayton Theo Johnson and Davis that running back in the jets because Brees Hall isn't gonna play call 1-800 win

Speaker 1 twisted seat out there look at him company man was that uh that Los Angeles grocery store that charges like $400 for a strawberry ralphs i liked ralph's irewan irewan yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 I think Jerry's shopping at Erewhon. I like Ralph's.

Speaker 4 Shout out Ralphs.

Speaker 1 It's a very funny name. Good job, Jerry.

Speaker 1 He's streaming.

Speaker 3 He's streaming all these guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's streaming everyone. Also, we didn't do any blind resumes.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we haven't done blind resumes in over a day.

Speaker 3 I think we may have done a blind resume on Sunday.

Speaker 1 Sundays didn't play last week, so you didn't do a Jalen Hurts blind resume. That's

Speaker 4 a good reason.

Speaker 3 Two days ago.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I said only we haven't done one in a day.

Speaker 1 We haven't done one in over

Speaker 1 at least one day.

Speaker 1 That's pretty good. It's been two days.
Yeah, we're. Listen, we can't just go cold turkey on blind resumes.
No.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's go picks.

Speaker 1 What are the standings?

Speaker 3 There's a three-way tie for last now. Yeah, Big Cat's in first.

Speaker 1 You got a good record. 12-6? I went 2-0 last week because I doubled up on the Bears game.

Speaker 6 Big Cat hasn't lost in three weeks.

Speaker 1 Oh, beast. That's

Speaker 1 guaranteed loss now.

Speaker 1 Big Cat is 12-6. I am 10-8.

Speaker 1 Zach is 9 and 9. And then memes, Hank, and PFT are all 8-10.
I haven't won in three weeks. Oh,

Speaker 1 so bet memes and fade me. Memes is tanking.
Who's up first? It'd be Zachary.

Speaker 1 Zachary,

Speaker 1 over a million people listening.

Speaker 3 In the Falcons, Indiana Colts, in the Falcons Colts game, I would like to take the Colts minus six and a half.

Speaker 1 That was good.

Speaker 3 In the Falcons-Colts Falcons

Speaker 3 game, I would like to take under 48.5 points.

Speaker 1 In the Patriots-Bucs game, I'd like to take over 48.5.

Speaker 4 Fuck, man.

Speaker 4 All right, then I will take the Lions minus 7.5,

Speaker 4 please.

Speaker 1 Memes?

Speaker 1 I was going to take that.

Speaker 1 I was going to take the Patriots over here.

Speaker 3 I'll do Ravens-Vikings over 49.5.

Speaker 1 And then I will do the Buffalo Bills, minus 1. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Let me. Oh, wait, somebody took that? No, it's my fucking turn.
It's Max's fucking turn. Oh.

Speaker 1 Which one do I get? You got the first one. You said.

Speaker 1 The Vikings, Ravens, over. Cool, cool.

Speaker 1 I would like.

Speaker 1 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 1 I would like to take the Chargers minus three.

Speaker 3 What's this voice we're using here?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Did anyone take Giants Bears over? No. I would take the Giants Bears over.

Speaker 3 Good pick. I was going to take that.
Good pick, Max. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 1 I'll double up then. Ravens minus three and a half.

Speaker 1 By the way, the Giants Bears number is over 46.5. I didn't say that

Speaker 1 on the DraftKings Sportsbook.

Speaker 4 I will take the

Speaker 4 Lunder.

Speaker 4 Colts Falcons under 48.5.

Speaker 3 I already took that. Fuck.

Speaker 1 It's not in London. It's in Germany.
It's the gender. Bert listening.

Speaker 3 Berlunder.

Speaker 4 I will take the

Speaker 4 fucking, I don't know, man. Give me something gross.
Give me the Jets Browns over 37.5.

Speaker 1 I like it, Hank.

Speaker 1 Did someone take the Niners?

Speaker 1 No one took the Niners?

Speaker 1 I took the Niners plus four and a half. Good pick.
Good pick.

Speaker 3 Nice pick. Thank you.

Speaker 3 I think I'm going to do it.

Speaker 3 I'm going to take the Carolina Panthers. Oh!

Speaker 3 Minus Minus five and a half. Ballsy.
Minus five and a half.

Speaker 3 Keep pounding.

Speaker 1 Keep pounding.

Speaker 3 Who's beating the drum this weekend?

Speaker 1 Hopefully, the

Speaker 1 Meow Mix. No, Mike,

Speaker 1 the guy who does the raps. Fucking awesome.

Speaker 3 Oh, Carolina Mike. Carolina.
Carolina Mike's pretty great. I would like to see Meowmix beat the drum at some point

Speaker 3 this year. That'd be great.
Do the right thing, Panthers.

Speaker 1 Zach.

Speaker 6 Is he over in the Steelers-Chargers game still available?

Speaker 1 I believe it is. Who's playing in that game?

Speaker 6 It's going to be the Steelers and the Chargers. Okay.

Speaker 1 Over. Where are they from?

Speaker 6 I would like to see Aaron Rodgers get the end zone.

Speaker 1 I want to see some.

Speaker 3 It's going to be good.

Speaker 1 That number is

Speaker 1 45 and a half.

Speaker 1 Where are the teams from, Zach? Give us the official pick.

Speaker 6 Pittsburgh Steelers and the Los Angeles Chargers.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 over.

Speaker 3 Zach, I thought that your analysis you just gave that game was awesome.

Speaker 1 Thanks, P.O.T. Yeah.

Speaker 3 It was very funny. Great job.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very, very special guest, our good friend, Chris Long from the Green Light Pod. You can see him every single week.

Speaker 1 Does an incredible job, breaks down all the games, talking ball, talking just friendship, great time. His Virginia Cavaliers are right now, if the playoffs started, would be in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 He also, which I haven't even, we haven't even said this to you, but you, just so you know, a heads up, the book that we're writing for PMT, you are going to have to write a chapter as our first guest ever.

Speaker 1 It's great to see you. Do you want to start with Virginia?

Speaker 1 Is Virginia for real? Are you guys going to the playoffs?

Speaker 1 I think we are, dude.

Speaker 2 That's what $20 million will do for a team.

Speaker 2 I guess

Speaker 2 if we pay the players,

Speaker 2 we can win too. So yeah,

Speaker 2 I'm all in. Although I've been on Stanford Steve's ass to try to get game day.

Speaker 2 Not that I make a difference, but like, you know, I tried to FaceTime last night because my son was like, why don't we get game day? I said, why don't you ask Uncle Steve?

Speaker 1 I love

Speaker 1 that's a great move.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we can start that movement. I'll sign up for that.

Speaker 1 Do you guys have a big game coming up?

Speaker 2 No, we got Wake Forest this weekend. Um,

Speaker 2 we have Virginia.

Speaker 2 We have Duke, we have Virginia Tech, though. Um,

Speaker 2 you know, we barely ever beat them, yeah. Uh, but I think this year we're going to beat them.
Yeah, I have a good feeling.

Speaker 3 It's really the autumn of Chris Long. All your former NFL teams are doing well, too.
Yeah. If you had to do one guy to go, I guess they are, dude.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I guess they are. If you had to pick one that you would eliminate, one guy to go, all of Chris Long's former teams, the Eagles, the Patriots, the Rams,

Speaker 3 which one are you putting off to the side?

Speaker 2 Is this like a fuck Mary Kill situation?

Speaker 3 Kind of, but you're fucking two of them and you just have to kill one.

Speaker 2 Okay. And I'm killing like this year's team based on like the

Speaker 2 aspirations of this year's team. I probably, I hate to say it because I just have so much respect for the Rams and the Eagles just won a Super Bowl.
It's going to be, like, I love the Pats.

Speaker 2 I think they're great.

Speaker 2 I think even most Pats fans would tell you, you know, love to see a little bit of a bigger sample size, but they have been, Drake May is fantastic. I think Josh is doing a great job, too.

Speaker 2 And since Gonzalez got back, that defense is tough as well. That's a tough deal you just hit me with.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I just looked it up, by the way. This is actually insane.
Your four teams are 27 and 7. That's some really fun football.
27 and 7.

Speaker 1 Your four teams combined. Damn.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and like the teams, and you know, like the teams that I, you know, every year there's like teams you hitch your wagon to as a, like, an analyst or podcaster.

Speaker 2 Like the Bucs are one this year for me. They've been winning a bunch of close games.

Speaker 2 I, I made them, I put them real far in that, you know, when you pick the Super Bowl or like whatever before the season, you're just throwing darts.

Speaker 2 But I put the Bucs in the Super Bowl, and I'd love to look smart. You know, if if it's not going to be my birds, then why not the Bucs?

Speaker 1 They're playing really well, too.

Speaker 3 I do have an important question for you because we talked about Big Dom and the Eagles and the story of him going to the hospital and welcoming Cam Scataboo, giving him some pizza, some cannolis, being like, don't say nothing.

Speaker 3 Keep your mouth shut, Cam. I love you.

Speaker 3 And we got into a debate on this show because Hank was saying that he might have done that performatively.

Speaker 3 I don't know if you had any experience with Big Dom paying a visit to the hospital, if an opponent got injured and went there while you were in Philly or if a player from the team.

Speaker 3 But Hank seemed to think that

Speaker 3 it wasn't like a common thing that he did. He only did it to get his name in the headlines, which I disagreed with.

Speaker 2 Well, wouldn't he be visiting like everybody in the hospital? Wouldn't it be like one of these fucking like

Speaker 2 make-a-wish things if

Speaker 2 Dom would be at the hospital every week if he wanted attention?

Speaker 2 There's just something about Scataboo that he likes.

Speaker 2 And who knows? It could be like a horse's head situation. Right.

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 2 Like, you know, maybe it wasn't just delivering cow zones. Maybe he got back to his room and

Speaker 2 there was a horse's head in the bed.

Speaker 1 He was like, hey, listen, Kim, if anyone comes and asks, you fell down the stairs.

Speaker 1 You didn't get hurt on the job.

Speaker 3 You look like you're comfortable, but I imagine that this wouldn't be a place that you'd like to ever go back to.

Speaker 1 It'd be a real shame if you had to go back.

Speaker 2 No, you'd hate to come back here.

Speaker 1 It'd be a real shame.

Speaker 2 And it'd be a shame if Hank were just being a hater. Yeah,

Speaker 1 it would be a shame. Although

Speaker 1 we need it for the ecosystem. Hater Hank is all the way back.
I got a question for you about the trade deadline. We had it this week.

Speaker 1 What happens in a locker room after the trade deadline? Because

Speaker 1 I think we kind of overrated a little bit. And I don't know maybe if that's wrong, like from the outside looking in, like, you know, the Jets trade Sauce Gardner and Quinn Williams.

Speaker 1 Everyone's like, well, the Jets just stink now. Well, they kind of stunk before.
I don't know. I don't think it's going to change much.

Speaker 1 So is there like a drastic change in the locker room when you add a guy or send off a guy?

Speaker 2 Well, I haven't been a part of too many teams that were like big time buyers or sellers at the deadline.

Speaker 2 Like when I was in Philly and I started being on like good teams, you know, we were trying to make moves. Like we brought in an 18th team.
We brought in like Golden Tate or JHI

Speaker 2 the year before. And I might be forgetting a couple moves that Howie made, but like, I think more than anything, it's just a kind of a declaration, like a public declaration of where the team's going.

Speaker 2 Not that you needed the nudge in New York. They're like one and seven, right? But like when you show up on Tuesday or whatever it is or Wednesday

Speaker 2 and, you know, the two best players on your defense are gone, like that kind of says something. And, you know, as if it weren't like buckle in and

Speaker 2 we got to find something to be motivated about to finish this season. Like, you know, the thing I like about

Speaker 2 And the thing I don't get about the whole Jets discourse is like, I heard Kyle Brandt talking about this yesterday, and he's ranting and raving about, hey, it doesn't matter. The picks don't matter.

Speaker 2 Until they have a good quarterback, it doesn't matter. Did they not draft Sam Darnold? Yeah.
It's not just about the quarterback. It's about building the program the right way.

Speaker 2 And, you know, I'm actually a fan of for the receiving team, especially the Sauce Gardner trade. I think both teams win in that situation.

Speaker 2 Although it's not like kind of common to trade away lockdown corners. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, I love the move for the Colts.
That was their, their secondary was definitely a weakness. And now they got another dude.
And

Speaker 1 Lou Annamarum. I can't ever say his name.

Speaker 1 Sweet Lou. Lou Annarumo.
Sweet Lou.

Speaker 1 He's never had corners.

Speaker 2 He's never had corners like this.

Speaker 1 Right. And when he has, you know, that Bengals team that went to the Super Bowl, when he had good players, like, he is a really good defensive coordinator.

Speaker 1 And I think that was a smart move by the Colts to be like, hey, these opportunities don't come along very often where it looks like our offense is going to be able to compete with anyone.

Speaker 1 Let's take advantage of this. Let's try to win a Super Bowl this year.

Speaker 2 Dude, the player in me is always like, let's go get it. And as an analyst, it's hard because I'll be, and Brandon Bean hates this shit because you heard him talking about it.

Speaker 2 It's like fantasy football in Madden has ruined the trade deadline where everybody thinks it's going to be like the NBA every year or whatever.

Speaker 2 But as a player, I always want to go for it. And I do think like the Pittsburgh game, they didn't play great.
You're not going to turn the ball over six times every game.

Speaker 2 Like that's not in the game plan.

Speaker 2 It was crazy to me sitting in a room full of guys, as you probably were, watching that game, how many dudes in unison when Daniel Jones threw like his second pick, said, There he is.

Speaker 2 Which sucks for Daniel Jones because he really has played great this year under pressure. The whole thing, Steichen, you know, he'll scheme up, man-beaters with the best of them.

Speaker 2 It's hard, it's hard to play these guys in the run phase and the pass phase. I thought Pittsburgh matched up well.

Speaker 2 They got some big physical guys in secondary, played Jalen at safety, which was a little wrinkle. I guess what I'm saying is the Colts shouldn't be discouraged by that game.

Speaker 2 They should take that next step, which they did in trying to like cash in on this window. You've got a bunch of guys under contract over the next couple of years.

Speaker 2 Another thing this means is Daniel Jones is probably getting paid. Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 2 which is a pretty wild thing. That happened fast.
But I like their defense. You get Kenny Moore inside.
You bring in Bynum.

Speaker 2 You've got two lockdown corners outside who have the size and versatility to play and lose scheme.

Speaker 2 And I always say this, you cannot manufacture coverage. You can manufacture pass rush.
So for a team that's not elite rushing the passer, this is going to help guys like Latu a lot.

Speaker 3 Yeah, what comes first? The pass rush or a strong secondary? Because they feed off each other, right? Like if you've got a great pass rush, you can take an average secondary, make them look great.

Speaker 3 If you have an average pass rush, sometimes you can take,

Speaker 3 with an elite secondary, you can make the pass pass rush look a little bit better than it is. So, yeah, what comes first mostly?

Speaker 2 I think it's, you know, and this is a former pass rusher, I guess. Maybe my, my bias is like I've played with with less than great corners behind me at times.

Speaker 2 And, like, you know, the fractions of the time when you win, it can be so frustrating. The difference between a sack and a pressure is,

Speaker 2 you know, it's a lot when it comes to like the court of public opinion, but it really isn't much when it comes to what you're doing as as a rusher. So we see it all the time.

Speaker 2 Like, I think Denver's an example of really good rush and amazing coverage, right? Like, you don't get that all the time.

Speaker 2 I just think like if you put two lockdown corners outside and you can man up, which

Speaker 2 and you can press, which kind of increases that kind of fractions of the time equation we always used to talk about, then I think it is coverage and then rush.

Speaker 2 That's why like if I had an opportunity at, you know, like a generational pass rusher with nobody behind him or a generational corner with decent rushers up front. I'm taking the generational corner.

Speaker 1 I got a question about the Lions. They lose that game to the Vikings.
Are the Lions okay?

Speaker 1 Because I think we think they're okay, but that was a weird one, especially with the Vikings being able to stop their run.

Speaker 1 And, like, is, you know, the Lions have had a couple games where they played the Chiefs. They got kind of handled by the Chiefs on Monday Night Football.
They come back, they beat the Bucs.

Speaker 1 That was a very nice game for them. But there's been a couple points where it's like, I think the Lions are good.
I think they're okay.

Speaker 1 But just some weird situations where it's like,

Speaker 1 are we sure their offense is humming the way that we think it is?

Speaker 1 Because, you know, beating up the Bengals doesn't really get you credit.

Speaker 2 No, the Bengals, the league should honestly hire the Bengals to play this just

Speaker 2 this way, like every week. Yeah.
Because they made a death game exciting. They made that Bears game incredible last week.

Speaker 2 It is insane.

Speaker 2 But I just, for the Lions, and this isn't me waffling because I did take the Packers to win the division, and I still think the Lions are a playoff team, and I still think they're one of the NFC elites, but they're not who they were last year.

Speaker 2 You know, like it is hard to make the transition from coordinator to coordinator. Their scripts have been very good.
They start the game strong,

Speaker 2 but at times, like the play calling aspect of it, leaves something to be desired.

Speaker 2 You know, I think the interior offensive line is the big theme, right?

Speaker 2 We all love Jared Goff, think he's a fucking stud, right? Like, this didn't take anything away from him. But pressure up the middle at his feet is kind of his worst enemy.

Speaker 2 And, you know, you can look at metrics to say he's great under pressure and that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 But if he's got to move off his platform, and if he gets the feeling that, hey, that wall is not being set in the middle of the pocket like he's accustomed to, it is a big difference.

Speaker 2 Like, like, Glasgow playing center is way different than Ragnow playing center. I think Ratlich is great, but Mahogany just left on a cart last week.
And Ratlich has been injured.

Speaker 2 Decker's been injured. I just think schematically, you saw this last week.
B-Flow and the Vikings took a step forward, right?

Speaker 2 Like they, they, they blitzed the fuck out of those guys, and not even like to their standard every week from a volume standpoint, but just the precision with which they attacked the A gaps.

Speaker 2 Jameer Gibbs gave up like seven pressures. So teams are on to this problem.
I think schematically, the Vikings gained some ground because you got a first-time play caller.

Speaker 2 And I think the Packers, from a physicality and a roster standpoint, gained ground.

Speaker 2 And I think the quarterback in Chicago, who we, it felt like just yesterday, Dan, you were on my show like, I'm fucking done, dude.

Speaker 1 That was after this, after week two, it was, it was scary hours. And then I, and then I found the gateway, and I've been, the gateway has been correct.

Speaker 1 I was like, hey, this team can put it back together. But yeah, it's, it's been.

Speaker 1 The Bears are, they're not going to win the NFC North because I don't trust the defense.

Speaker 1 But I've been saying for a while now,

Speaker 1 Ben Johnson has clearly changed the culture, and it's clear this team is fighting in a way that, you know, that Bengals game, they would have lost.

Speaker 1 It would have been like a fourth and 18, and Justin Fields getting sacked, or Caleb Williams getting sacked to end the game.

Speaker 1 They're fighting in a way that they haven't fought in the last couple of regimes.

Speaker 2 Well, dude, they run the ball great,

Speaker 2 which is one of the reasons I texted you last week, and I was like, yo, I'm betting the fuck out of the Bears.

Speaker 2 And then for like 35 seconds at the end of that day, although you were busy making like an untold amount of of money on that Jersey Jerry parlay.

Speaker 2 I was freaking out. It's the same thing this week.
Like they run the fuck out of outside zone. The Giants give up a bunch of explosives.
They have a bunch of explosives on the ground.

Speaker 2 Like I love that. But what I was going to say is the running back or the quarterback, Caleb Williams, like I don't think it's unreasonable to say he's the most talented quarterback in the division.

Speaker 1 talented.

Speaker 2 You know, there's people that look at Jordan Love's big arm and that sort of thing and they say like, but he's got a different kind of talent.

Speaker 2 Like the extension of plays, the throwing off-platform, like, that's big in today's NFL. The athleticism, the extension of plays.

Speaker 2 I like Caleb, dude. And I think, honestly, like, you look up in two years and you might be really well positioned in this division.
So, yeah.

Speaker 2 You said it. You said it.
I saw the left tackle 79 dry block somebody into the bench last week.

Speaker 1 Attitude. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. Yeah.
Yeah. Left is better.

Speaker 1 He's He's struggled a little bit. Darnell Wright was throwing people out the club, too.

Speaker 2 Darnell Wright, he has turned into Penne Sewell. Yeah.

Speaker 2 He was ready to make that leap, but I think Darnell Wright should be talked about just about in the same light. I think he's fucking fantastic.

Speaker 2 So I guess I'm just saying Detroit, they're used to a certain luxury when you're the big bad wolf in the division and you're so physical. But like,

Speaker 2 you know, that system, okay, over the last three games, I think, look at their yards per carry. I mean, look at Gibbs' yards per carry.

Speaker 2 You take away, I think, the 78-yard run against Tampa, which is a big if-ifs were a fifth thing, but like, they're just not productive on a consistent basis on early downs.

Speaker 2 And so, you know, and the secondary, we haven't even talked about that. Like, there's a bunch of dudes off the street.
There's a bunch of dudes that, you know, and they just play man.

Speaker 2 And, like, they, you know, the Tampa game, I'm sorry, I'm rambling, but the Tampa game,

Speaker 2 Baker played as bad as Baker could have played. And he missed a lot of those schemed-up opportunities.
JJ didn't even play that great, just took advantage of some of them. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I think this is a get-right week, though, for the Lions. I feel like

Speaker 3 you could not draw this up any better for the Lions than playing against the Commanders.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we were talking about this earlier this week, how the Commanders, they've now lost three games in a row by 21 or more points, which you'd have to go back to 2020 to find a team that did that.

Speaker 3 And then they're on the verge of potentially losing a fourth to the Lions who desperately need a win. And you'd have have to go back to 2002 to find a team.

Speaker 3 And I feel like with that commander's defense right now,

Speaker 3 especially the commander's secondary, this feels like it could be a huge week for Detroit.

Speaker 2 I like the commander's defense.

Speaker 1 I mean, I do. I do.
I like the commanders. I hate it.
Because it's like, you just, it's the NFL. You lose three times in a row by 21.
Feels like a zag.

Speaker 1 Everyone's like, holy shit, this team is garbage. It's trash.
It's terrible.

Speaker 3 One thing Big Cat's forgetting is that last week, the Lions lost. So now they're really, really really hungry to pull it.

Speaker 2 This is the tough thing about this spot because you're kind of like, you know, it's unstoppable force versus an immovable object.

Speaker 2 You know, the team that's mad that you lost in the playoffs and just lost and committed like 20 fucking penalties, and Dan Campbell's probably corporal punishing everybody in the building this week, just like flogging dudes, man.

Speaker 2 And then it's the other team who's been getting the

Speaker 2 brake speed off him. But

Speaker 2 I think it's a stayaway for this reason, guys. Okay.

Speaker 1 I think it's just a stayaway. I think I've talked myself into a stayaway.

Speaker 2 There's a lot on the board I like this week, dude. Yeah.

Speaker 1 By the way, so PFT alluded to it.

Speaker 1 Is there anything to be said about a team

Speaker 1 you wanting to play a team off a win instead of off of a loss?

Speaker 1 Because a team off of a loss, especially if they're like the Lions or Packers this past week, where they were heavy, heavy favorites losing outright, they're going to be more focused, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, you think so. Well-coached teams are always

Speaker 2 locked in, but you know, I think sometimes in the NFL, it's an interesting thing. Like we, we would lose a game

Speaker 2 and, you know, you're going to get ripped, right?

Speaker 2 But when you win and the things you're not doing well, like as much as coaches try to coach honestly, they do at the NFL level sometimes coach off the result.

Speaker 2 So like our D-line could have played the best game in the world, but if we lost and there's yelling in every, the way an NFL meeting room is like, it's a hallway full of meeting rooms.

Speaker 2 And you can, if you go out and take a piss in the middle of a meeting after like a shitty game on a Monday, you hear screaming in each room.

Speaker 2 And you know, certain rooms scream more than other rooms, like offensive line coaches and that sort of thing, or a DB coach.

Speaker 2 D-line coaches are big on like, whatever the weather is in the building, we're just going to act this way. Because there's really not a lot to coach in that room.

Speaker 2 It's just like, hey, did you set the edge? Did you not? Did we get a pass rush? So a lot of times I used to hate like you'd come in after a win if we played or a loss.

Speaker 2 If we played well, coach would coach off the result. I think a loss can do a lot to force coaches and players to have tough conversations.

Speaker 2 And so, you know,

Speaker 2 I think sometimes it's cliche to talk about it, but it is true. There's something to being that pissed off team that's coming off a bad loss.

Speaker 2 And in Detroit's case, they're going to play really well this weekend compared to last week, but they have personnel issues that they're not used to.

Speaker 2 Like in the past, you could say, oh, Dan's just going to decide they're going to fucking skull fuck this team. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But this year, it's like, if you've got problems inside, like, that's kind of the domino for your whole offense. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Another big topic of the NFL this year has been soft benching. I think this is the first year that we've ever like that term's really caught on this year.

Speaker 3 So now we're just saying that everything is soft benching, everything that we see. Have you ever been soft bench? And did you know that there was a thing as a soft benching until this season?

Speaker 2 Well, the nice thing about being a defensive lineman is like, even when you get soft bench, you kind of still get to play, you know, because we rotate so much.

Speaker 2 And I can remember like, you know, in the middle of my career, things are going great. I'm pardon my take guest all the time.
Like, things are, like, I'm playing well.

Speaker 2 I'm a captain on my team, you know, just all the

Speaker 2 good stuff. And I got hurt like two years in a row and tried to play hurt, like, just played like shit.
terrible tape.

Speaker 2 And Greg Williams kind of sat me down like when I came back off my injury and was like, you're not, like, I can't, it's not fair, like the way you're running around out there to, to, for you to start.

Speaker 2 Right. And so, like, I just was the second guy

Speaker 2 off the, I, I, it was behind William Hayes. You guys remember William Hayes, who's one of my best friends, and they put William Hayes in to start the game.
And I'd come in off the bench.

Speaker 2 Like, this was the last half year of my St. Louis career.
And, like, it wasn't, like, made to be a big deal, but I'm not a quarterback.

Speaker 2 Like, I don't know what that feels like to be the quarterback that's kind of like everybody knows it. The Kyler thing is clearly

Speaker 1 a soft bench. It's over.
It's over.

Speaker 1 It's over there in Arizona.

Speaker 1 I think Gannon even said if he was healthy, he'd go with Jacoby Brissette. So it's like, it's over.

Speaker 2 It's got to be over, dude. I've seen enough of this same movie there.
And I think the thing I feel bad for Jonathan Gannon on is like. I think he's a good coach.

Speaker 2 I didn't love the shoving dudes thing. And, you know, like, I also think you can make mistakes.

Speaker 2 But that defense is really, actually pretty good. Yeah.
And they're one of the most

Speaker 2 unheralded groups in the league, and they got good cover guys.

Speaker 2 You know, my boy Josh Sweat coming on down there. I think he's got like seven sacks.
And

Speaker 2 so I think this team's going to be a dangerous team. But like Arizona, Seattle, what's that line at right now?

Speaker 1 I like the Cardinals plus six and a half.

Speaker 1 It's too many points. It's too many points.
And it's also just going off my basic theory of if a team like played a perfect football game on prime time, just go against them.

Speaker 1 And the Cardinals obviously win.

Speaker 2 The cardinals played primetime as well but that wasn't a perfect game against the cowboys the seahawks played a perfect game against the commanders that was that first half was a perfect football half dude it was like playing somebody that it was like playing somebody in a video game that's that's never played the game yeah it was crazy to me like how easily they were scoring the explosives everything and i just

Speaker 2 yeah so we're talking about arizona Another thing I like is Trey McBride starting to catch touchdowns.

Speaker 2 Like Jacoby Brissette has found, and I love Marvin Harrison Jr. I think he gets way too much shit.

Speaker 2 But like Trey McBride's their weapon, like he's their ace. Like, how the fuck does that guy not score, you know, eight, ten touchdowns a year?

Speaker 2 And I think he's got like three or four since Jacoby took over. So I like that.
And you got to realize like their run game took a step back from last year.

Speaker 2 Like, and they're still playing a lot better in this scenario. They've had injuries in the backfield.
Like, yeah, stick with Jacoby. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I love the dude.

Speaker 3 On the Seahawks side of that, I do feel like the Seahawks are legit. And the addition of Rashid Shaheed,

Speaker 3 that's perfect for that because he's going to have the opportunity to do what he does, which is get downfield and just be super fucking fast and not be coverable.

Speaker 3 And I feel like the Seahawks right now, if I'm looking at the NFC, I'm putting them right, I think I might put them top three in the NFC right now in terms of who can make the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 Yeah, dude, because their defense is, and I don't want to take anything away from Sam because I think he's playing actually better than he played last year, which didn't surprise me because I I think their offensive line's better than the offensive line that the Vikings fielded the back half of the year.

Speaker 2 And that's probably factors into how they made that decision to move on from him. But like, he didn't have a full deck.

Speaker 2 I think if you look at Clink Kubiak, who's there as the offensive coordinator now, he was in New Orleans last year. Look at the way they used Shaheed early in the year.
I mean, he was going off.

Speaker 2 I think this is going to be a lot of fun for them. They can already stretch the field a little bit because of JSN, but like who's the one stretching the field for Shaheed or JSN?

Speaker 2 Like, you you can kind of play high-low games with those guys. Barner's a hell of a tight end.

Speaker 2 And hopefully, with all this speed, it gets people off of them so they can run the football because they actually haven't run the football that well this year. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. They're always playing like a hot-cold game with the running backs where it's like, okay, hopefully Kenneth Walker is going to have a good night.
Okay, maybe it's Charlie Day's night.

Speaker 3 And it takes them sometimes like a quarter and a half, a full half of football to figure out whose night it really is going to be.

Speaker 3 And by that time, it can be just too late to get the running game going. But yeah, I'm buying big time on the Seahawks.

Speaker 1 I got a question for you about, you mentioned Jonathan Gannon, hands on the player. Where do you land on that?

Speaker 1 Are you a hop on Twitter and be like, don't, like, this, if anyone ever put their hands on me, I'd fucking kill them. You don't do this.
Or is it more,

Speaker 1 hey, look, it's a passionate sport. You probably shouldn't do it, but shit happens on the sideline.

Speaker 2 Well, I think baked into my analysis is the acknowledgement that there are plenty of dudes on a 53-man roster who are going to want to choke the coach.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 And maybe I'm one of them in that situation, but I'm not going to get on Twitter and

Speaker 2 huff and puff and put my chest out. The problem is,

Speaker 2 I don't really like either reaction, which is the like, oh, I'm going to find Jonathan Gannon in the parking lot and beat him up.

Speaker 2 Or the reaction of the dude that never played a sport, hadn't played a sport since high school, being like, hey, toughen the fuck up, NFL player. Like, you know, coaches put their hands on kids.

Speaker 2 I'm like, yeah, maybe on your youth football team, but like, we're adults and this is a workplace. And, and, you know, it's kind of a slippery slope.

Speaker 2 If I, if I don't like something a coach says, do I get to put my hands on the coach?

Speaker 2 You know, I think it's funny because fans always find a way to side against the

Speaker 2 working class, if you know what I mean, relatively speaking. In that situation, they always take the side of the coach or the, you know, the GM or whoever it is, anything but the player.

Speaker 2 And that was a sup, it was a stupid fucking play, but um

Speaker 1 you know you could have avoided all that by just taking him out of the game i do think there's you you said the workplace it's funny because i do think one of the disconnects that happens between fans and players and fans and like professional sports is how much you're yes you're playing a sport yes it's it's you're getting paid millions of dollars but how much of your existence day to day is truly like work like you are going to the office from nine to five you are doing yeah it's totally different Everyone would love to do it.

Speaker 1 It's, it's not saying that it's not the best job in the world, but at the end of the day, like, you are, you, you guys are going to work, and you're like, everyone assumes that players are best friends with each other.

Speaker 1 Like, no, they're co-workers. So, there are some players.

Speaker 2 The funniest thing is, like,

Speaker 2 people will be like, you know, when you're like, hey, we work really fucking hard. They're like, not as hard as a Marine in Afghanistan.
That's true.

Speaker 2 I'm like, okay, well, what about like an accountant?

Speaker 1 Yeah, who's watching, who's, yeah, who's watching, like, who's hanging out watching Barcelona all day, which I, I love that. I love that guy.
Yeah, which is great.

Speaker 1 And like, I'm now in the private sector, you know, a private sector. I'm, I'm now civilian.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I'm quote unquote.

Speaker 2 I'm not, you know, I'm not laying my life on the line for the NFL anymore, but like, you know, like, um,

Speaker 1 work is hard. It's hard for everybody.

Speaker 2 I mean, like, um,

Speaker 2 but that's a different kind of stress, dude. Like, that's a different, I don't think I realized until I got out how, how wired we all are in that scenario.

Speaker 2 Like, they're just things that are not acceptable at any other workplace in America. And like, you know,

Speaker 2 it is funny to me that people always want to compare it to like the people that obviously we can't compare to, which are like police officers or first responders or like, you know, Marines or something.

Speaker 2 Like it's a fucking hard job and guys are on edge and like you got to be able to control your emotions, players and coaches. Like you just don't, you don't.

Speaker 2 put your hands on anybody in a situation like that.

Speaker 1 It's not that hard.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the actually the and this is not saying that we're comparable, but probably the only place you could compare it to is Barstool Sports and the fact that we have like we had a controversy of Max putting his hands on Hank in the gambling cave.

Speaker 1 And everyone was like, we had a lot of people who were like, I would fucking slap the shit out of Max if that happened to me. It's like, dude, they're friends.
Like they get emotional. Who cares?

Speaker 1 Meek, Phil, and Claire. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Sometimes when you get two alphas in a room, sometimes they butt heads.

Speaker 1 You can't do anything about them. You just gotta let them sort it out like bull elephants out in the wild.

Speaker 3 And then, you know, nature will. Actually, there's a third type of guy.

Speaker 3 There was a guy that, like you said, would be like, oh, you know, back in my day, my coaches used to beat me up and I turned out fine. Also, they turned out not in the NFL.
Oh, yeah, that's the best.

Speaker 2 I turn out fine. I'm like a 50-year-old tweeting drunk or something.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 3 I'm just cussing at Chris Long on Twitter because I'm pissed off because an NFL head coach should be able to push one of his players.

Speaker 1 But I'm good.

Speaker 3 I think the bigger highlight in that is that it says a lot about how Gannon looks at DiMercato because I don't think he would have done that to Josh Sweat. Yeah,

Speaker 1 no, you're right about that.

Speaker 2 There is something to that, and people always say, Well, what about Andy Reid and Kelsey?

Speaker 2 Like, okay, now we're now there's nuance where these guys have been together for 20 years and they are kind of like equals. Like, Travis Kelsey and Andy Reid are kind of equals, dude.

Speaker 2 And, you know, DeMercado, who, you know, might get cut, he's fumbled a ball in the goal line. Like, it'd be one thing.

Speaker 2 And honestly, like, players, coaches, you know, if coach comes up, slaps the, this is an interesting nuanced discussion about touching players but like if you come up and you put both fists on the shoulder pads you're like come on man like there's some hype in the guy up to that or even if you give him um

Speaker 1 you know a pat on the back like on the way yeah or you touch his helmet just a little bit yeah but it was the way that ganning kind of twisted his body yeah you could see the frustration it was almost like he was spanking him yeah you know what i'm saying like when you get the hip twist in there,

Speaker 2 you want to avoid that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And I actually don't love how the Cardinals handled it either. They find Gannon, like the team find him.
And so now everybody, all the players are like, well, this guy's not calling the shots.

Speaker 3 He just got bitched by the ownership.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 it's a mess.

Speaker 2 And that's just why it's further evidence of why you just don't draw attention to your team that way. You know, it's so funny.
People, the same guys that are like,

Speaker 2 you know, they're the first ones to blame players when there's a distraction, which is, you know, the most misunderstood word in the NFL.

Speaker 2 Are the ones defending the guy who's got the media crowded around the podium on Tuesday because he pushed a fucking player? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Like, just avoid that bullshit.

Speaker 3 Have you ever been distracted? I do love that term when it comes to football. Like, oh, this guy, he's a locker room distraction.

Speaker 1 Like, everyone's going to work.

Speaker 2 I was distracted by setting my NBA fantasy lineup.

Speaker 1 I swear to God, we used to play NBA fantasy like heavy, dude.

Speaker 2 We used to

Speaker 2 rent out the Ritz-Carlton ballroom and have our drafts.

Speaker 2 It was a big deal. It was kind of like

Speaker 2 in what's the movie

Speaker 2 where Paul Rudd's doing,

Speaker 2 he's doing the fantasy baseball draft and the drafts Nomo and his wife shows up and she's all pissed off. What's that fucking movie?

Speaker 1 Is that

Speaker 2 I want to watch Spider-Man too. Like it was like a big deal.
We had like in-person drafts and like Jolan Dunbar and Cortland Finnegan, but that shit is tough to keep track of.

Speaker 2 And on Sunday mornings, like I swear, sometimes I come back in from warm-ups and set my lineup. Yeah.
Fans would not be happy about.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 NBA Fantasy is

Speaker 3 a different beast. I tried doing it one year, and this is way too much work for me.

Speaker 1 Way too much work.

Speaker 3 We should do dingers only, but for dunks. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Only dunks.

Speaker 1 Dunks only. We got to track it.

Speaker 2 Dude, I can't even remember to set my fantasy lineup. By the way, I'm in that Tommy Alter league, which is basically he holds me at gunpoint every year and is like D in my fantasy league.

Speaker 2 and and i don't even set my lineup i'm in that we're in there with like uh aren't you in there yeah i'm in there isn't like tim robinson in there tim robinson's in there i'm trying to uh pablo tore is in that i think uh

Speaker 1 i think pablo tore's in first place you might not want to be in a group text with pablo tore he might hack into your mainframe jesus what uh wait is is is there money involved in this league yeah there's some money okay because that's the thing is too is like you can't I can't do a fantasy league if people invite me and it's like, you know, $100.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm not going to check it. I'm just not going to check it.

Speaker 2 No, there has to be a punishment. Good fantasy leagues are,

Speaker 2 you know, defined by the punishment. But also, this, I didn't draft my team because Tommy kept changing the fucking day like he always does.
And I had a recreational day lined up.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to change my schedule for the fourth league that I'm in.

Speaker 3 I do think Chris and I are aligned in that league that our main goal is to just beat Tommy. I think that's your team name, isn't it?

Speaker 1 My team name is beat Tommy.

Speaker 1 I'm tired of it, bro.

Speaker 2 I'm tired of the pictures. I'm tired of all his cool friends.

Speaker 2 I'm tired of him making me be in the league.

Speaker 2 And then, and then, and then he's like, hey, I noticed you haven't paid. I'm like, bro, I didn't ask to be in the league.

Speaker 1 You pay.

Speaker 3 I do love Tommy, but he is.

Speaker 2 He's a man, dude.

Speaker 3 This is like his little playhouse that he invented where he's like, okay, I'm going to get all my friends together and make them play against each other while I watch. It's kind of sick stuff.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 I know. It's crazy, dude.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 All right, Chris, I have one last question for you. This has been awesome.
Always love having you on. We've got to do it again.
Let's get seeing you. Go listen to the Green Light pod with Chris.

Speaker 1 And he's got our guy, Stanford Steve, on. Macon is the man.
Facts.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there's this whole...

Speaker 1 Macon's got to be going nuts about Virginia.

Speaker 2 Oh, he is going nuts.

Speaker 1 We went to the Virginia game.

Speaker 2 We went to the Florida State game, which I don't really go a lot.

Speaker 2 Not being too cool. I just like...
I like watching from home. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I rushed the feel with him. He talked me into rushing the field, which was sick.
And some FSU player's mom cussed us out because we rushed through the Florida State section.

Speaker 2 But Macon was going nuts, dude. He was skipping on the field.
It was awesome.

Speaker 1 That is awesome.

Speaker 3 It was maybe the best field rush of all time. Also, fastest.
It looked a little scary. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, dude, there was a guy that disappeared in the

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 2 Is he okay? Did he make it out of there?

Speaker 1 No, we haven't seen him since. It's in the milk carton.

Speaker 1 He's gone forever. Okay, last question.
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Speaker 1 Week 10. Give us, if you want to go, one or two best bets, games that you're looking at, maybe most interesting games.
You don't have to.

Speaker 1 I don't want to put you on the spot and have it be a pick that everyone's like, oh, Chris steered us the wrong way, but maybe something you're feeling.

Speaker 1 No, and, you know, for the record, if I blow this up,

Speaker 2 I was 5-0 last week. So, all right, I really really like the Ravens.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 2 I think the Ravens roll this week. And,

Speaker 2 yeah, I do. I think Detroit played so poorly last week, and people are overvaluing Detroit.

Speaker 2 And I feel like since Kyle Hamilton's been unleashed in the box, I also like the Draymond Jones

Speaker 2 trade.

Speaker 2 I think this team knows that they have no margin for error. Lamar's back.
It's like, it's time to go, man. And, and, you know, I think I hit my stack guy up a little bit early.

Speaker 2 I'll give you one little nugget here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, also off that, I like that as well. Just you can't blitz Lamar that Brian Flores likes to blitz.

Speaker 2 Detroit did that well, but that was a funky spot. They did Vikings defense versus Scrambles this season.
30th in success rate allowed, 29th in EPA per play allowed, 27th in yards per play allowed.

Speaker 2 And so I really like the Ravens.

Speaker 2 I also like the Bucs. Okay.
It's a good time to battle.

Speaker 1 That's another one where, actually, off of that, I'm curious because I was looking at some numbers, and Drake May's been phenomenal against the Blitz this year. Todd Bowles wants to blitz.

Speaker 1 Is a guy like Todd Bowles a good enough, different enough Blitzer? Like, is it a situation where he will throw stuff at Drake May that Drake May has never seen before?

Speaker 1 It's not just, hey, Drake May's good against the Blitz. Todd Bowles blitz.

Speaker 1 Drake May's going to kill him.

Speaker 2 Well, I think it's like Todd Bowles prefers to man up and be aggressive, like if he can. And one of the reasons he was so giddy this offseason was like, hey, we found a couple young

Speaker 2 man-to-man corners, which, you know, the last couple years at times, he's had to be out of character.

Speaker 2 I think it's mostly about

Speaker 2 those young offensive linemen who have been good. I think Will Campbell's a good player, man.
I think he's going to be a really good player in this league for a long time.

Speaker 2 But, you know, they've given up some pressure. Last week, they gave up some pressure on twists and stunts.
So I just feel like in a game like this, I'm going to trust the more proven commodity.

Speaker 2 And if the Pats beat them, great, man. That's a big win for them.
You know, they can hang that up there with the Bills win because

Speaker 2 they are a team that I respect a lot.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I got one more kind of like detailed football question for you, but it's more about us being dumb and not really understanding when people dive deep into the numbers.

Speaker 3 I've seen a lot of discourse recently about 13 personnel. Yeah.
About 12 personnel.

Speaker 3 I understand what the numbers mean. We learned that like four years ago.
I think we retained that pretty well. It's one running back, three wide receivers, or one running back, two wide receivers.

Speaker 3 Two tight ends. Sorry.
Tight ends.

Speaker 1 Tight ends. We're almost there.

Speaker 3 I almost got it. 90% of the way there.

Speaker 3 Why are we talking about this all of a sudden, and which teams are the smartest in using those things?

Speaker 2 That's a great question, PFT.

Speaker 2 We've heard Greg Olson talking about this, and I think there's something to be said for teams that get heavy, right? So you match their personnel.

Speaker 2 And by get heavy, I mean two tight ends on the field, 12, 13 personnel. You implore the, you know, the opposing defensive coordinator to put a third linebacker in the field, right? Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then you throw the ball on them.

Speaker 2 And, you know, one of the cases that's being made right now is that, you know, Seattle, who likes a bunch of tight ends on the field, likes these bigger sets because they like play action.

Speaker 2 They like a lot of bodies on the edge to slow rushers down, which is why I think they're brilliant in that way. But, you know, like they get in those deals to throw the ball.

Speaker 2 And so when I think about like using 12-personnel, that's a perfect example, like get heavy and pass.

Speaker 2 And then there's teams that refuse to get heavy defensively, and you run the ball on them, ideally. You know, so I think that's the biggest thing.

Speaker 2 I don't think there's a ton of great defenses in the middle of the field in the NFL.

Speaker 5 So look at the Bills.

Speaker 2 That game last week was amazing, and I'm going to get off in a second, but like

Speaker 2 it,

Speaker 2 you know how the whole thing is like, yeah, but the Bills are going to lose in the playoffs. Here's the Bills' best hope is like, I don't know what Kansas City does to cover the tight ends.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because with Reed, their safety going to New Orleans, like they're down a cover guy. They're not a great rush football team.

Speaker 2 Pass rush outside of Chris Jones. Like that to me is like the Bills have owned the middle of the field.
How do the Bills continue to win, you know, without great wide receivers outside?

Speaker 2 They own the middle of the field.

Speaker 2 And so if they get in these two and three tight end sets, more so two tight end sets, and they used a fullback a lot last week, like you saw Gilliam on those lead plays, like that's coming back a little bit.

Speaker 1 And I like it, man. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because as a rusher, I don't like that shit. It's not that tight ends are big and strong.
They're in the fucking way. And they make you adjust your angles.

Speaker 2 Like they make you get outside of them, fit in a crease, like whatever. You know, it's just there's more traffic.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's why I like Arroyo.

Speaker 3 He's a big dude that can be on the end of that line in Seattle. And he's also a great pass catcher.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And they ask all those guys to block. That's why like Cooper Cup came in and that sort of thing, which, you know, it's cool to see guys bought in, blocking.
How about shout out to Mercedes-Lewis, too?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Still doing it. Yes.

Speaker 1 It's incredible. Incredible.
All right, Chris, you're the best, man. Thank you.

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Speaker 1 Okay, Fire Fest of the week. Henry, what do we got?

Speaker 4 Firefest of the week. Just being old, we did a partial after dark dodgeball stream on Tuesday.

Speaker 4 Yeah. There's 20 of our people, me, Max, PFT played.

Speaker 4 There's three college dodgeball teams.

Speaker 4 And we probably played 25 matches.

Speaker 4 Didn't win a single one. No, we won.

Speaker 1 That's not true. Oh, yeah, we won two matches.

Speaker 4 We won 20 verse 3. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Finally.

Speaker 4 Back to back.

Speaker 3 And then we lost to 20 verse 3.

Speaker 1 You're just doing semantics at this point.

Speaker 3 You are doing semantics. You won a match.
Wait, is he doing semantics or some antics?

Speaker 1 Both. He's doing both.

Speaker 3 Yeah. both.

Speaker 4 But my body was sore after, and

Speaker 4 it's gotten worse every day I've woken up since. Yeah.
Like, I was more sore today than I was yesterday.

Speaker 3 Same. I woke up this morning, my shoulder was just, I couldn't move it.
Do you still have like raspberries and marks on your body? Well, in old age, when those balls hit, they sting. I got

Speaker 4 smoked in the face. Max got smoked in the face.
I laughed in his face, and then I got smoked in the face. It was great.

Speaker 1 It was within like 30 seconds of me stepping onto the dodgeball court, just an absolute fireball right to the left side of my face.

Speaker 1 Hank couldn't have laughed harder, and then like 20 minutes later, the same thing happened to him. Damn.
Some elite activities.

Speaker 3 It was funny.

Speaker 4 I felt like I was in a movie, like in a war movie, where it's like the two, you know, two soldiers are talking to each other, and then one of them just gets blown up. That's what it felt like.

Speaker 4 I was standing next to Max, and he just got smoked.

Speaker 1 Thank you for your service, Max.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that looked like...

Speaker 1 It didn't look fun. It wasn't.

Speaker 3 It was not fun.

Speaker 1 It was fun for the viewer.

Speaker 3 The crazy thing about those balls is there's a way that you're supposed to grip them to throw them hard. Yep.
And these college dodge, they've all like mastered how to do it, how to throw it.

Speaker 3 They throw it like 70 miles an hour. They're really good.
With curve on it. And then if you try to do that, you have to like grab it and then pinch underneath the nipple of the ball, is what they say.

Speaker 3 And so I tried to do that the whole time. And every single finger on my right hand feels like it's jammed right now.
It's just gripping that fucking ball for what was it, like three hours? Brutal.

Speaker 3 Yeah. It was tough.
Grind.

Speaker 1 But we won.

Speaker 3 Don't let Max Max

Speaker 3 disinformation.

Speaker 3 Well, you guys didn't win.

Speaker 1 I was the one who defended that we won. He was

Speaker 1 doing disinformation. That's right.

Speaker 3 Hank was doing disinformation. We lost.

Speaker 4 We lost 20 vs. 3.
Yeah. That's a tough loss.

Speaker 1 But we won two of them that were 20 vs 3. That's cool.
I get it. You made it to the championship.
You made it to the championship? Yeah, and lost. You lost.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Well, you made it to the championship. 20 vs.
3.

Speaker 1 Losers.

Speaker 4 All that to lose.

Speaker 1 Okay, PFT.

Speaker 3 My Fire Firefest has been the ongoing saga of the Internet Invitational as it keeps unfolding. And the matches are going to get crazier and better.
I can't wait to watch the entire rest of the series.

Speaker 3 I think people are going to continue to really, really enjoy all the different wrinkles and stuff that happens moving forward.

Speaker 3 But to clean up stuff that happened from last week, it's just the Luke Kwan thing is like a story that won't die online.

Speaker 3 It's taken a turn where now there was like a backlash to the backlash against Luke Kwan. Of course.
And now people are like, Luke did nothing wrong.

Speaker 3 Some people are like now questioning my handicap on both sides of what my, I've got people saying I'm a sandbagger, people saying I'm a reverse sandbagger.

Speaker 3 And that's, that's like a weird golf Twitter's insane when it comes to that.

Speaker 3 But Luke put out a video this week where he apologized and memes made a supercut of all of his apologies. I think he apologized, I don't know, dozen times.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Speaker 9 I'm sorry. I genuinely am apologetic for that.
Genuinely sorry. Just want to reiterate.
I I really am sorry. PFT, genuinely, from the bottom of my heart, I'm really sorry.
I really am sorry.

Speaker 9 I genuinely would have came up to you and said sorry to you in person. I should have said sorry.
Like, I definitely should have said sorry. I'm sorry that I didn't.

Speaker 9 I made an honest mistake and I was sorry.

Speaker 1 Harder of an environment for me to go up there and just say sorry.

Speaker 9 Why didn't you say sorry? I should have just said sorry right away, but I'm sorry. Specific, I'm sorry.
And I'm sorry to my teammates again. I'm sorry.
I genuinely am sorry. I apologize.
I apologize.

Speaker 9 I'm sorry about my nonchalantness. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry for saying those things. PFT, I honestly am sorry.
I really am genuinely sorry.

Speaker 9 I'm still sorry. I'm sorry.
I really do apologize. PFT, if you're watching, I really do apologize.
I'm also sorry, genuinely sorry. And I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. I'm genuinely apologizing.
Sorry.

Speaker 9 I'm just sorry. At the end of the day, I just want to say I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 So I've been going back and forth with Luke way more than that.

Speaker 4 Can I see one of these?

Speaker 1 Do we have it?

Speaker 4 He said the word sorry.

Speaker 1 I only watched half.

Speaker 4 I watched half the video. He said the word sorry probably 50 times.

Speaker 4 I thought he was doing a bit.

Speaker 1 It escaped containment at one point

Speaker 4 he might be doing satire.

Speaker 3 It escaped containment. It's popping up everywhere online, like places I'm not expecting to see talking about the Luke Kwan PFT scramble match at the Invitational.

Speaker 3 So he, yeah, we can play a little bit of it.

Speaker 1 Addressing internet invitation. 16 minutes? Yeah, that's too long.

Speaker 3 16 minutes. Apologies if it was

Speaker 1 18 minutes to be addressing the. This has been a whirlwind few days.

Speaker 9 Usually I am opening Instagram habitually just being an idiot. And I've just like tried to not open the app anymore.
I don't like there's like apps that are not safe anymore.

Speaker 9 Anyways, you guys know what happened. I I just wanted to come in here and at least say something

Speaker 9 to all the teammates.

Speaker 9 I apologize like sincerely from the bottom of my heart if I haven't said this to you in person yet. I hope you hear this now.
I'm sorry for waking up late. I'm sorry for disrespecting.

Speaker 9 I'm sorry I was disrespectful to your time, this event.

Speaker 1 Did he address you specifically?

Speaker 3 I don't know if he I haven't watched the full video, but he sent me this video on Friday night before he posted. He's like, hey, I'm thinking about posting this because I've been texting with him.

Speaker 3 I want to see how he was doing and be like, that was pretty crazy.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I haven't watched the full video, so I'm not exactly sure what he does or doesn't say in the full apology.

Speaker 1 When he texted you to say, hey, I'm thinking about posting this, did you watch the video? Or are you just like, that's good to post? No, I watched it. Oh, okay.
Yeah, I watched it.

Speaker 1 But you didn't watch the full video.

Speaker 3 I watched the full video that he sent, but I think he probably edited some of that down

Speaker 3 into the 18-minute version. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, here's him addressing PFT.

Speaker 9 PFT, if you're watching, I really do apologize. That was not my intention.
Oh, nice. And I know, like, I'm saying it's banter.
Maybe you guys think it's disrespectful.

Speaker 1 I really do.

Speaker 9 I'm also sorry for thinking that I can banter with PFT like I do with my friends. I misread that.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 That wasn't banter. Yeah, that's the thing.

Speaker 1 It wasn't, he didn't banter. He was just a dick.

Speaker 3 I was just trying to win the golf tournament and then be like, hey, Luke, let's be friends and play this round.

Speaker 3 And he started just jumping into ball busting, which is like my feelings aren't going to get hurt. No.
I work at Barstool Sports.

Speaker 3 I hear way worse than that with the people that I work on the show with on a daily basis.

Speaker 1 His biggest problem was that he talked to talk and then he slept in and didn't walk the walk. Like if he had, if he had come out and dominated, none of this would have mattered.

Speaker 1 It's just like you can't talk the talk and then have that happen to you.

Speaker 3 And then people online.

Speaker 1 It's also not a very big deal overall.

Speaker 3 It's really not. But then now people are online are like, I can't believe that Luke did that.
And then he showed up and proceeded to berate his poor 25 handicap playing partner.

Speaker 3 And so now I'm like a big victim in all this. You are? Which I am.

Speaker 3 Like my feelings. No one's talking about my feelings throughout all this.
But so I've been going back and forth with Luke.

Speaker 3 I think the best way out of this, and I've told Luke, I want to play him heads up, head to head in a match, handicaps included. And I want to make it happen soon.

Speaker 1 Your sandbagging handicap or your regular handicap?

Speaker 3 My handicap just dropped. I think it's going to.
Oh. I think it's 21.8 now.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 My real handicap is what we're going to use.

Speaker 3 I want to do a thing where the loser has to wake up at 5 a.m. every day for a month and go live or do something like proof of I'm awake and fully dressed.
Yep. I'm capable of waking up at 5 a.m.

Speaker 3 and post that online somewhere for accountability.

Speaker 3 That was my idea. I actually haven't talked to Luke about that wrinkle to it, but I want to play him head-to-head in this.
I want me to be able to pick his caddy.

Speaker 3 I want him to be able to, he can pick anybody for my caddy. And I've got a short list of like probably two people that I'm thinking about for Luke Kwan's caddy.

Speaker 3 And I want to make it happen soon. I think we will.
But it does feel like it's the very strange controversy that just won't die on me. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I just hope that next time I sleep in and miss something, that I get the

Speaker 4 like the amount of people being like, I stand with Luke Luke Kwan, I stand with Luke Kwan.

Speaker 4 I want that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 4 Like, I would, I would just, AWLs, if you're listening, like, if I sleep in and miss something, like,

Speaker 1 keep that same energy. Well, they're not.
People were very supportive of it. They're not supportive.
People were overwhelmingly being like, I stand with Luke Kwan.

Speaker 4 You're standing with the guy that just slept in and missed a tea time.

Speaker 1 But you understand, they're not standing with him for sleeping in.

Speaker 1 I think they are. No, they're standing with him because he got brutalized online, which was a fair reaction.

Speaker 3 It's just a it's a reaction to the reaction like pft said also like some of the some of the video recaps that i've seen of it recently are are people that are like there are just a lot of people using the f-word on luke kwan's comment section list online and i've never seen something like this on golf youtube the internet invitational is awesome it is i can't wait to see it grow golf

Speaker 1 golf like Twitter and fan, they're a little soft. Wouldn't you agree, Hank? They're a little soft.

Speaker 1 It's okay to say that. They're soft.
So they don't, this is a different world.

Speaker 1 Barcelona's a different world where this is like something that happens and it's like, yeah, he's an asshole, but we'll move on. They're a little soft.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so his comment, he pinned this comment on the YouTube. Also, no hate to PFT, please.
Thank you, Luke, for calling the Kwan Army. I'll stand with you at PFT.
The Kwan Army. Oh, I don't like

Speaker 1 this.

Speaker 3 He reached out and texted asking me how I'm doing. He's a good dude, and we're down to do something in Chicago when schedules line up.
Life goes on, doesn't it? No.

Speaker 1 Oh, you missed something there. What? Life goes on lol.
LOL. Doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 Doesn't matter. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no. Not doesn't matter.
Doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 Doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 So I don't think it's.

Speaker 3 I'm trying to work out something where we don't have to wait to play in Chicago. I want to do it soon.

Speaker 3 I want to have a head-to-head rematch. I want just like

Speaker 3 me versus in, maybe go to New Zealand, Hank. You got the shirt on right now?

Speaker 1 I'll say,

Speaker 1 listen,

Speaker 1 it doesn't matter long term, but I still hate Luke Kwan.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I'll be in that camp. That's fine.

Speaker 1 I'll stand with him.

Speaker 4 You stand with him?

Speaker 1 The sleeping end part. Even though he disrespected someone who's very close to you

Speaker 1 multiple times? They made up. Okay.

Speaker 1 I'll hold the grudge.

Speaker 3 I never felt disrespected in the moment because I suck at golf. I know that.

Speaker 1 I'm bad.

Speaker 3 I just thought he was being a dickhead. You can be like, yeah, this guy's just being a dickhead right now.

Speaker 3 And my feelings weren't like, oh, I can't believe Luke Kwan made fun of me because I can't putt very good. Yeah.
Like, that's on the list of things that I care about in my life.

Speaker 3 My putting ability is, it's got to be close to the bottom.

Speaker 1 Still was a dick move to be like, you're not going to make that. Doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 Doesn't matter. He was right.

Speaker 3 He was right. He was right on that.
Yeah, he was very right about it. So, yeah, we'll try to make something happen.

Speaker 3 But in the meantime,

Speaker 3 the next few episodes of the Internet Invitational are going to be incredible. Yes.
And I can't wait to watch how it turned out.

Speaker 1 All right, my Fire Fest is at Max. I think you probably are going through the same thing.
I miss baseball.

Speaker 1 I've had kind of a weird, and I think part of it was I went on Tuesday, I went to get dinner at Chick-fil-A with my son, and we went to the one by Wrigley, so we drove by Wrigley, and the weather has also been perfect fall weather.

Speaker 1 I just miss baseball. I don't know.
I missed the boys this summer. It hasn't hit me.
I think it's a combo of the Cubs being in the playoffs and then the World Series being as good as it was.

Speaker 1 I missed the fuck out of baseball. Yeah.
I miss baseball too, but I have great news for everyone else who misses baseball. Oh!

Speaker 1 What's the news? Next week. Yes.
Dingers only video. Yes.

Speaker 1 Steven Che, who lost Stingers-only this week. No, this year.
Oh, you. Oh.
No, you actually did it from last year. Yeah, from last year.
Oh, wow.

Speaker 3 That's weird because it's like over calendar year. Yeah.
It's confusing. I forgot.

Speaker 1 I thought we were just going right right to Steven Che. No, no, no, we did it.
It's going to be. I'm excited.
I'm excited for the people to see.

Speaker 3 Yes, the Savannah Bananas.

Speaker 3 Max 13.

Speaker 1 Fuck it. Yeah, Savannah Bananas.

Speaker 1 We played against Savannah Bananas.

Speaker 3 At the White Sox Field.

Speaker 1 Undisclosed Fields. Undisclosed Field.

Speaker 1 It looks like a Major League Stadium, but we don't know where it was.

Speaker 3 That's why I didn't use their actual name. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's a cool stadium. At Chicago Stadium, Chicago Baseball Stadium.

Speaker 3 I saw

Speaker 1 the South. Yeah,

Speaker 1 when a video game didn't get rights to a certain team, we're playing at the Chicago baseball stadium.

Speaker 3 All I can say about what stadium it was when I was leaving, I saw some delicious-looking s'mores desserts that they were making in the concourse there. It looked like some really good ballpark food.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, my missed baseball. Also, I think I've talked about this before.
I think this is actually now because

Speaker 1 like going through

Speaker 1 like your kids' different ages, I think this happened a couple of years ago, and I mentioned it, but now my middle child, my four-year-old, is in the phase of just waking up at two in the morning and coming into my room.

Speaker 1 And she is a terrorist because I can't stop her. I said to her straight up, I said to her, hey, you got to stay in your room.
And she just said, no, and just smiled in my face.

Speaker 1 And there was nothing I could do about it. Argument one.
It's just, she just is like, I was like, hey, can you please stay in your room? Like, we really, we got to stay in our room.

Speaker 1 We got to get our sleep. And she just goes, no.

Speaker 3 And I was like, fuck.

Speaker 1 I'm out.

Speaker 1 There's nothing you can do.

Speaker 3 You can't negotiate with that. No, you can't.
You can't reason with no.

Speaker 1 She's got me. She's got me.

Speaker 1 It's bad. It's a bad scene.
So I said I was going to lock all the doors. That didn't go over well.
So, yeah,

Speaker 1 it's a problem. I think I got to beat someone up in front of my kids so they think that like, cause they're always coming and being like, I'm scared.
I'm scared. I'm scared.
It's like, but I'm here.

Speaker 1 So I got to do like a feat. Maybe we'll...
Maybe I got to like simulate like Max coming to our house. I just beat him up.

Speaker 3 You got to hire somebody for that. Yeah.
Yeah. Max breaks in wearing a mask.
I just beat the fuck out of him. You tap, make him tap.
Make a burglar tap. Yeah.
I could do that.

Speaker 3 And then, and then you give him a lesson like Dog the Bounty Hunter on the way out, and then he becomes like indebted to you for the rest of his life.

Speaker 3 And she's like, wow, my dad, he can beat people up. And he's also a really kind, sweet guy.

Speaker 1 Dog the Bounty Hunter has been DMing me randomly, and I don't really understand why.

Speaker 1 But he's just been DMing me like every other week. Let me look up.

Speaker 1 How does a girl suicide herself with two dozen knives, bro? The jigsaw jigsaw couldn't write this in a sequel. Please share.

Speaker 1 Please share this, brother. Aloha.

Speaker 1 And then the other day, on Tuesday, he just said, are you for Trump or no?

Speaker 1 I haven't replied to any of these. Yeah.
I might need to get back in the dog business. That's wild.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He just keeps sending me hot tips being like, hey, let's get this guy.

Speaker 1 Maybe I got to mount up. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Have you ever helped him track anybody down?

Speaker 1 I haven't, but I'm down to help. Absolutely down to help.

Speaker 3 Yeah, whatever you need, dog.

Speaker 3 With your baseball thing about missing baseball this time of year, I had a dumb thought.

Speaker 3 What if the NBA was a summertime sport?

Speaker 1 And what if...

Speaker 3 I know baseball in the fall is incredible. I love it.
But what if baseball...

Speaker 3 Yeah, baseball stays in the summertime. Yeah, you can't.

Speaker 1 We're going to move baseball the winter.

Speaker 3 I was just thinking about flip-flopping sports seasons. No.
When I was trying to go to sleep the other day, and I just felt like NBA in the summertime would be good.

Speaker 1 No, the only fix for NBA would be

Speaker 1 start at Christmas.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Maybe that would be more, because I just, November basketball is just so,

Speaker 1 it's, I don't know. It's like, it's not like that.

Speaker 3 I like college basketball.

Speaker 1 Feast week is my favorite. Yeah.
Yeah. But, but

Speaker 1 NBA can stay, could, could do Christmas. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 I think my thought was more about how much I dislike the NBA this time of year. I was like, what if we just moved to the summertime? Fill in some of those gaps and days a little bit.

Speaker 3 But yeah, you're right.

Speaker 3 I think the sports sports calendar, they got it right. They got it right.

Speaker 3 Shout out, God. They got it right.

Speaker 1 Okay, Zach, finish this off.

Speaker 3 My favorite fist of this week is

Speaker 6 I've been hearing conflicting reports on this,

Speaker 6 and I'd like to get your guys' take on this as well.

Speaker 6 I went on, I guess, what someone calls solo date the other day.

Speaker 3 I thought it was

Speaker 6 like a super normal thing to do, and I'm hearing otherwise.

Speaker 1 How did the date go?

Speaker 6 It was fantastic.

Speaker 1 Oh, like, I think

Speaker 6 there's like, you got to think about it. There's no small talk.
You get to order whatever.

Speaker 3 You get to eat at your own place.

Speaker 1 Oh, wait. Hold on.
I was confused.

Speaker 3 Yeah. No, exactly.

Speaker 1 I thought you meant a solo date. You went just you and a woman.
Oh, no.

Speaker 3 Oh, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 You just went out to dinner by yourself. Yes.
Yeah. Yes.

Speaker 6 Which I thought was more normal at the time. And I'm hearing conflicting reports.
I'm just curious what you guys' thoughts were.

Speaker 3 Joe Flacco told us that's heaven on earth. Yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 It's nice to just go do something by, like,

Speaker 1 I did a solo walk the other day. I just, it was a beautiful fall day.
It was like I dropped my kids off at school. I didn't have to be in work for, I don't know, like an hour or so.

Speaker 1 I was like, I'm just going to go for a walk. And it was sick.

Speaker 3 You ever go to the movies solo?

Speaker 1 Yes, sir. All the time.
That's great.

Speaker 6 I think that's the best way to go to the movies.

Speaker 1 What was your solo date? Did you order for two?

Speaker 6 No, I like played the field a little bit.

Speaker 1 Let's hear the order. Where'd you go?

Speaker 6 I went to a dessert place on the street that James Mintella. No, it's not a dessert place.

Speaker 1 Travoli Tavern. Not a dessert place.
It's not a dessert tavern. It's like a very nice restaurant, but has a very good dessert.

Speaker 1 I've been hearing so many things about the dessert for weeks.

Speaker 3 But it's not a dessert.

Speaker 1 It's not a dessert place. It's like a very, very nice restaurant.
Also, everyone just tells you about desserts.

Speaker 4 You hear about desserts from everywhere.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's a good point.

Speaker 6 Did you take that in consideration?

Speaker 3 Did you only get dessert or did you get a full meal?

Speaker 6 I did a couple courses. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Give it to us. Give us the order.

Speaker 6 Pigs in a blanket, crab wontons, and then just a primary sandwich and some pasta. And

Speaker 1 you always have a great way of adding

Speaker 1 the last thing that you don't expect. And then what was the dessert?

Speaker 6 Sticky date cake that everybody's been raving about. Okay.
This place is a dessert place because that was the best place. That was the best thing on the menu.

Speaker 1 It's a dessert place. So you basically, you force-fed yourself four courses just to get to the dessert.

Speaker 6 I was just anticipating dessert the whole time. I was like, I need to look like an adult and order regular food.
And the whole time, I should have just went double dessert and got out of there. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Zach, I'm curious to know what you're like at a restaurant, especially in a solo date, if you're ordering food because you're the nicest guy in the world and you're always asking people what you can do for them.

Speaker 3 Like when you order, you ask for an item of food from a server, do you feel bad about making them go get that food?

Speaker 3 No,

Speaker 6 the waiter was very nice.

Speaker 3 I was asking him what his favorites were.

Speaker 6 I was like, we'll play the hits. This guy knows ball, probably.
So I put together his 1-1 meal there. good.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's a good way to do it. But yeah, nothing wrong with a solo date.

Speaker 1 Nothing wrong at all.

Speaker 3 There are some places where you probably shouldn't go on a solo date.

Speaker 3 Like the zoo. The zoo feels like a bad solo date.

Speaker 1 It's kind of a cool place. You get to walk around.
You don't have to deal with anything. You just see the animals.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 If a guy goes to the zoo by himself, he's going to be in and out in like an hour because he's just going to

Speaker 3 speedwalk to every place and be like, saw the giraffe. Yeah, yeah.
Saw the elephant.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Zach, be yourself. Well, how is the

Speaker 1 duo dates going? Any Any? Duo dates are cool.

Speaker 6 I just think solo dates might be

Speaker 1 better alternative than duo dates. Do we have any female AWLs in Chicago area that maybe want to solo date with Zach?

Speaker 6 I got no duo dates on the calendar. Probably some solo ones coming up.

Speaker 1 Okay. At the end of.

Speaker 3 So that was your first date, the solo date that you went on. Did you get invited up?

Speaker 6 Oh, yeah, straight back to the house. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yep. Nice.
That's nice. Nice.

Speaker 3 Close the deal. Yeah.
Ready to go.

Speaker 1 All right. Good show, boys.

Speaker 1 Let's do

Speaker 1 number three.

Speaker 1 Memes, do you feel good about this today?

Speaker 1 You're in your losing zone. I do.
I also

Speaker 1 do by myself sometimes, and I felt extremely disrespected right there.

Speaker 1 You could walk through the zoo. Yeah, you could definitely go through the zoo.

Speaker 3 You could definitely go through the solo? I've never done it. I guess maybe.
The zoo is free, too.

Speaker 1 You just walk. You just walk through.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Listen,

Speaker 3 I love the zoo. I've just never been there solo.

Speaker 1 I'd have to try.

Speaker 4 You've been to the Chicago Zoo? I have, yeah.

Speaker 1 Got to see the polar bears. Been there like four.
However, the zoo is awesome. It's great.
great.

Speaker 3 The lions are incredible.

Speaker 1 There's two new bears at the Link Park Zoo, too. Yeah, two brown bears.
It's sick. Yeah, it is.
99 bucks. Also, the gorilla enclosure there.
They could just jump over there. Oh, yeah.
Big time.

Speaker 1 Big time.

Speaker 3 And you get the added family drama of the gorillas. You get the kids running around, the mom being like, hey, quit playing.
The kids being like, I'm going to keep playing.

Speaker 1 My son went to zoo camp.

Speaker 4 You should drop your kid in the gorilla enclosure and then shoot the kids. No.
No. That's how you show them.

Speaker 1 No, my son went to zoo camp the last two years at the Link Park Zoo. I was like, I'm so jealous.
Zoo Camp as an excuse. I would go to Zoo Camp as an adult.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then when we go to the zoo, he's like the expert. He's like, oh, no, it's over here.
It's like, fuck, you know it all.

Speaker 3 It seems like they get really cool shorts when you work at the zoo.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just khaki ones. The khaki ones, yeah.
Yeah. All right.

Speaker 1 Everyone say their numbers get 77.

Speaker 4 22. 100.
33.

Speaker 1 44. 15.

Speaker 3 86.

Speaker 1 61.

Speaker 1 Memes, would you like to do another? Sure. All right, let's do one more.
He's getting close. It's going to happen.

Speaker 1 He's going to beat Hank's guest record. Well, I have guessed it.
What?

Speaker 1 I have guessed it. No, you didn't guess it.
I have guessed it. I have guessed it.

Speaker 1 I have guessed it correctly. Right now,

Speaker 1 I think Huey's on there. He hasn't gotten it.
Memes is.

Speaker 1 Where's Hank?

Speaker 1 I don't see. Oh, yeah.
Memes is

Speaker 1 like,

Speaker 1 what is he at? 336 guesses.

Speaker 6 So, yeah. Damn.

Speaker 1 We're getting. After this, he's going to be 66 guesses, 68 guesses away from Hank.

Speaker 1 And he's not getting this one.

Speaker 1 We know that.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 two.

Speaker 1 oh my god, means two

Speaker 1 love you guys brutal.

Speaker 3 That's the one I guessed correctly.

Speaker 3 Love you guys.