Overtime – Episode #649: Ann Coulter, Van Jones, Dr. Jean Twenge

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Okay, here we are on CNN.

She is a psychology professor at San Diego State University, author of Generations, Dr.

Gene Twangi.

Welcome back.

He is a CNN political commentator and host of the podcast Uncommon Ground with Van Jones.

You all know Van Jones from CNN.

And she's a political commentator and author who now writes her own column Unsafe on Subtack and Coulter is back with us.

Okay.

So here are the questions.

What are your thoughts?

Oh, this is for you, Van, probably because you were the green czar.

Remember when you were the green czar?

You remember.

Okay.

What are your thoughts on the tactics of environmental activists who throw soup at the Mona Lisa and disrupt traffic?

They also glue themselves to things.

And is there a better approach to advocacy?

No, there isn't.

That is the one that works, and it's solving the problem in record time.

It's sad because all that crap overshadows the people who are doing the real work.

We got a bipartisan bill done under Biden.

Young people worked their butts off for that.

They did it the right way.

They knocked on doors.

They did it the right way.

They get overshadowed by nonsense.

And I think we need to really lift up, you know,

you've got this generation that really does care.

They're trying to be constructive.

You do have red states that have clean energy jobs that are growing alongside the jobs that I like a little bit less.

It all gets overshadowed.

Some idiot blocks traffic, and that's all you make talks about.

Why soup?

I don't know.

It's vegan soup.

It's vegan soup.

Okay.

What are the panel's thoughts on Alexei Navalny's death and President Biden's statement that Putin is responsible?

Predictable and obvious would be my two answers to that.

I think it's horrible that

I had a lot of hope, you know, CNN did the Navalny documentary.

And so a lot of people I work with really got a chance to know the guy, and they say he's a real deal, kind of like a Mandela for Russia, kind of waiting in in their wings and you just kind of hope that the guy lived long enough to maybe bring that country back around.

And, you know, actually shed real tears this morning.

What do you think of Tucker?

I mean, you used to be friends with him, right?

I mean, going over there and

giving a lap dance to Google.

Yeah, basically

just, I mean,

parading himself for all these years as so pro-American and then going over there and basically saying, this is the really good country, Russia and this guy, and not bringing up any of its crimes.

What is his motivation?

Can you get into his head a little from that?

Well, no, but no, I'm not a huge fan.

I don't know.

I think a lot of what people do

on both sides is motivated by seeking money and fame.

But what, this is the way to do it?

This is how, I mean, couldn't he still be on Fox?

Look, I mean, he went over there and said, you know, Moscow is this amazing city because the trains run on time.

Right.

I'm like, isn't that what they said about Hitler and Mussolini, yeah.

Mussolini, like a fascist.

Like,

okay, so the trains run on time, but people are being literally, you know, killed in prison because they have an opinion.

That's not a great country.

I think you can say

I think you can say that people are motivated by money and fame if they were on Fox News, the Fox News that then had to pay $700 million in defamation.

I always say you can read it on my sub stack first or wait for Fox to pay a $700 million defamation judgment.

All right.

Gene, what explains the gender divide in politics?

Why are young women skewing?

Oh, yes, I've read this more liberal, like by 30 points, than young men are getting more conservative and young women are getting more liberal.

What is your generational view on that?

Yeah, so I mean, that's from a big national survey of 18-year-olds, and

young men have become considerably more conservative over time.

Young women, a little bit more liberal.

So there's just a growing gender gap when it comes to that.

The why question is always a hard one to answer in any of this type of research.

It could certainly maybe have something to do with abortion rights.

It may also be on the right

the existence of Andrew Tate and some of those commentators who try

make masculinity into this almost game that young men may be responding to, even though that's maybe not the way they should be going.

Well, I think it gets back to your thing about technology.

Technology changed so that what used to be brawny stuff that men did that made them feel like men, that's not what matters in an information society.

We're in information society.

The jobs that women do and are better at,

they're better at communication, they're better at cooperation.

That's why they're doing better in the workplace.

That's why they're doing better in college, right?

So the men feel lost.

And then they turn to idiots like Andrew Tate.

Right.

And their, you know, military service isn't compulsory anymore.

So instead it's video games.

I also think that

there's something happening on the progressive side

that it feels like almost all masculinity is considered toxic.

Right.

And so I think the young men may not feel welcome.

Like if you're just...

In other words, I don't think it's so much of a pull of an Andrew Tate, though, that's playing a role.

I think it just may be a push.

Like if you show up and you want to be just like a regular

guy's guy, you just may not be eating enough kale and doing enough yoga to fit in on the left.

That's true.

Just being a man isn't a little suspect.

Yeah, no, and I think this winds up being not good for women either, because I don't think women like that.

I mean, the rhetoric may be one thing, but at the end of the day, a lot of, I know we're all gay and we're all fluent now and we're all trans,

but a lot of people are still the old school.

You know, there was a.

They're the old school from 12 years ago.

Well,

yeah, I mean, there was a default setting.

And a lot of women, I think, still want a man to be a man, not an abusive man, but just a man.

Yes, I mean, I remember, hey,

you're canceled.

How dare you?

Yeah, I remember when my mother was a widow the last 15 years of her life, she was always, you know, unhappy, and she said, I just miss male energy.

I need male energy.

You know, so plenty, we got, good thing we got plenty of it right here on the panel.

Van, does AOC supporting Biden mean the rest of the squad will help progressives line up behind him?

Well, I mean, that's...

I just really don't know.

And I think that this idea that there's a squad is a little dated.

And the reason I say that is because, you know, when they first got there, it was like a, these were the new kids on the block.

They're not the new kids on the block anymore.

And ALC is a rising star in our party.

She's almost seen by some of the younger people as more of an establishment figure, as hard as that is for people in my age group to imagine.

And they're going to go their own ways.

They have different, they represent different districts.

And so

I'm glad that ALC is supporting Biden, but I don't think she's going to be able to snap her fingers and get the rest of the progressives to do anything they don't want to do.

What do you think, panel, of the report that Trump told his advisors that he wants a 16-week abortion ban, with an exception for rape, for him?

We make little jokes.

We make little jokes.

But that, now, this, what I

gentle chiding and good kidding.

It's all in good humor.

But apparently this is his way to, I mean, because this to me, I thought, maybe not still

true, but I think still true, is going to be the Achilles' heel for the Republican Party in the next election.

I mean, they caught the car.

They finally did what they wanted to do for all those 50 years, and they overturned Roe versus Wade, and people don't like it.

Women don't like it.

Men don't like it.

Everybody hates kids.

I say it all the time.

It's true.

Everybody hates kids.

Everybody wants kids.

Speak for yourself.

No, people don't want kids.

They certainly don't want ones they don't plan for.

So what do you think?

Is this a good compromise?

16 weeks?

He said, I picked you because it's.

This is only a secondhand thing.

He told his advisor.

But he's apparently picked it because he said it's even.

It's four months exactly.

Like that should even come into why would he?

Thank God we all hate him, right?

I think the proof

right.

This abortion is really hurting Republicans.

I don't think you can blame all Republicans for this.

I'm glad it was overturned by the Supreme Court.

I think I'm a pro-life zealot.

I think it was disgusting to call that a constitutional right, but it has been sent back to the states.

That's all we ever wanted.

And guess what, fellow pro-lifers?

We're getting slaughtered.

There have been seven direct to the people votes.

And the tiniest restriction on abortion loses overwhelmingly in Montana, in Kentucky, states that Trump won, but Kansas, 20 points.

And it isn't Republicans.

per se, I think, pushing this.

It is these pro-life zealots who just, they don't care, I'm going to be pure.

And did you see my write-up in the Catholic Insights magazine?

And, you know, you guys,

you're like the corporate Republicans who will not give up on their cheap labor.

We have to tell them we can give you some things, but we can't give you everything, or we're just gonna lose.

Well, what a great way to end this segment because

I got five seconds.

Perfect.

Time in.

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Thank you, panel.

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