Ep. #715: Mel Robbins, Killer Mike, Donna Brazile

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Speaker 9 Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO Late Month series, Real Time with Bill Maher. Start the clock.

Speaker 9 Hello, everybody. How are you doing? Thank you, people.

Speaker 9 Thank you so much.

Speaker 9 I appreciate that. We have a wonderful show.

Speaker 9 Okay, all right.

Speaker 9 Thank you. I love you back.

Speaker 9 All that stuff.

Speaker 10 I know it's a little reclimped.

Speaker 11 I know.

Speaker 12 It's our last show of the season.

Speaker 13 It's our.

Speaker 14 I know. It's our Thanksgiving show.

Speaker 11 I've already started my baking.

Speaker 16 It's, no.

Speaker 13 No, I'm going to do it myself this year, Thanksgiving.

Speaker 18 I am.

Speaker 19 I don't know.

Speaker 20 I probably should not have asked GTP how to do it.

Speaker 13 I asked them, how do you roast a turkey?

Speaker 20 Tell it it looks like a chicken who can't afford a Zempic.

Speaker 23 But

Speaker 10 yeah, we always have our little winter break.

Speaker 17 We will come back in January, as always.

Speaker 20 We were back January 23rd. Mark that in your book.

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 27 when we do come back, this all will be an incredible ballroom.

Speaker 16 I just want to remember.

Speaker 22 I kid the president.

Speaker 12 Oh, I boy, did you.

Speaker 18 It was Muslim week at the White House this week.

Speaker 25 No,

Speaker 18 first he had Mohammed bin Salman, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, the only guy who walks into the White House and goes, not enough gold.

Speaker 34 But yes.

Speaker 26 You know Mohammed bin Salman, they call him MBS.

Speaker 11 He was there at the White House. Nothing to do with politics.

Speaker 36 It was just with Thanksgiving approaching.

Speaker 11 Trump thought, who better to carve the turkey?

Speaker 11 Well.

Speaker 37 I get the Saudis.

Speaker 38 You know, there was that little unpleasantness with O.J.ing the reporter. But, you know.

Speaker 36 But Trump loves this guy.

Speaker 41 Oh, what a bromance these two houses.

Speaker 15 Get a room, you two. I mean, Jesus.

Speaker 18 Trump was showing him around the Oval Office.

Speaker 36 He showed him the, you know, Trump has that model of a 747.

Speaker 40 He shows everybody.

Speaker 16 And

Speaker 16 Mohammed bin Lambu was very impressed with it.

Speaker 35 He said it's beautiful.

Speaker 14 We can't wait to fly it into something.

Speaker 42 I think the Saudis.

Speaker 43 You know, they had a.

Speaker 46 Now, MBS, he's not officially the head of state, so it couldn't be a state dinner, but they gave him a great big dinner.

Speaker 14 It was in effect a state dinner, you know, where they had like celebrities.

Speaker 48 You know who was there for the state for the big dinner?

Speaker 33 Christian Ronaldo, the soccer player.

Speaker 49 The Saudis love soccer because it's the one sport you can play after they chop your hands off.

Speaker 51 So

Speaker 45 he,

Speaker 53 and then today

Speaker 53 you know who was there today the White House? Mendami, the new mayor of New York.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 53 Trump said to him, I don't understand you guys.

Speaker 36 Why wait for the afterlife to enjoy this 72 virgins?

Speaker 11 That's what Jeffrey Epsteins are for on earth.

Speaker 17 But it is amazing.

Speaker 46 I mean, I don't want to tip my thing at the end of the show, but this is exactly what I'm going to be talking about.

Speaker 54 He met him in person, Mendami, and great meeting.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 55 the night before, just like the night before I went there, he's an asshole, he's a shithead.

Speaker 56 You know, he's a communist.

Speaker 21 Trump is a great guy, great meeting.

Speaker 10 He said, you know, they asked him, you know, what about the communist things?

Speaker 14 Well, you know, he said maybe he'll change.

Speaker 57 My views have changed.

Speaker 17 Trump said,

Speaker 38 I'd love to live in New York under this guy.

Speaker 48 He might be a great mayor.

Speaker 10 See, that's what it is. You got to talk to people, negotiate.
I mean, the New Yorkers, you know,

Speaker 26 they negotiated. Mondami.

Speaker 20 They each got something they wanted.

Speaker 14 Mondami wanted Trump's help on affordability issues, yes. And Trump wanted a guarantee that he can still stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot someone.

Speaker 42 Oh, I did. Always with love.

Speaker 38 But yeah, I mean, the Trump, oh, the Epstein, I think Trump did a total 180.

Speaker 40 Last week, we were all talking about it.

Speaker 11 He won't release the files.

Speaker 16 This week it's like, well,

Speaker 16 the Epstein files.

Speaker 60 Oh, sure, we're going to release those.

Speaker 12 So they are going to release the Epstein files, but, you know, always the fine print.

Speaker 35 They're going to be redacted.

Speaker 36 So, you know, people are already saying, what's the point?

Speaker 15 Epstein got away with it.

Speaker 16 Well,

Speaker 33 got away with having sex with underage girls.

Speaker 36 He hung himself in his jail cell.

Speaker 32 I'm not sure that means getting away with something.

Speaker 62 David Bowie, he got away with it.

Speaker 62 No.

Speaker 35 Trump is very touchy about the Epstein thing.

Speaker 61 Since a reporter asked him, did you see this this week on I think it was on Air Force, brought up that issue.

Speaker 36 And Trump said to this, a woman reporter, he said to her, quiet piggy.

Speaker 54 Quiet piggy.

Speaker 62 And then, listen to this.

Speaker 18 At the press conference the next day, his press secretary, Carolyn Levitt, spun this by saying, it's actually admirable.

Speaker 10 He said, it's the president being frank and open and honest. That's good.

Speaker 12 Well, in that case, shut up, bitch.

Speaker 52 No, you say.

Speaker 43 I mean I'm telling you

Speaker 17 if you go near this Epstein thing he does not like it.

Speaker 14 I mean Marjorie Taylor Green was his biggest ally and then she was for you know all in on we got to get the Epstein files and this week Trump went nuts on her.

Speaker 63 She's a disgrace. He said he's a disgrace.
She's wacky.

Speaker 15 She's a ramping lunatic.

Speaker 20 All I can say is Marjorie, welcome to the club.

Speaker 34 All right, we've got a wonderful show for our finale.

Speaker 64 Donna Brazil and Michael Render Killer Mike are here.

Speaker 43 But first up,

Speaker 42 my first guest is a true phenomenon in the world of life improvement.

Speaker 15 She is host of the Mel Robbins podcast and author of the number one best-selling book, The Let Them Theory, a life-changing tool that millions of people can't stop talking about.

Speaker 20 True dat.

Speaker 45 Mel Robbins is up in here.

Speaker 45 Hi.

Speaker 45 How are you?

Speaker 30 What a great pleasure to meet you. Good to meet you.
Thank you. Thank you for having me.
Hi, everybody.

Speaker 27 I know everybody wants you on their show.

Speaker 15 They do?

Speaker 15 You know they do. And you came here.

Speaker 60 I can't tell you how much I appreciate that.

Speaker 35 Oh, really?

Speaker 52 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 25 We know this is still.

Speaker 68 I mean, to say your book is a phenomenon is an understatement.

Speaker 12 I mean, this is an era where people don't read anymore.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 14 Somebody said to me the other day, oh, you know, Barnes and Nobles, I always see people that are, yeah, they're buying a cat calendar.

Speaker 69 And the let them theory.

Speaker 54 Yeah.

Speaker 18 And the let them theory. Yes.

Speaker 54 I mean, the numbers are just off the charts.

Speaker 56 If I went into the bookstore, would it be under self-help?

Speaker 14 Is that still a term that they use?

Speaker 16 Do you not like that term?

Speaker 21 Do you not care?

Speaker 70 Is it still self-help?

Speaker 69 Let them.

Speaker 6 I don't care what they call it as long as people read it.

Speaker 52 Let them. Yes.

Speaker 55 Okay.

Speaker 20 But I I mean, that is one of the more popular sections in the bookstore, and there's a lot of people in that.

Speaker 72 Why did your message resonate so much more than all the other people who were working that side of the street?

Speaker 69 Well, I'll tell you why. There's a number of reasons.
First of all, it's a great freaking book. Like, as you read it, you can get through it in a day and a half.
It's hilarious and profound. Right.

Speaker 69 And it works. And you don't need to buy the book.
I'm going to tell you how to use the theory. The theory is so simple.
It basically is this.

Speaker 69 The fastest way to lower your stress and to have more peace and control in your life is stop trying to control everybody else, let them have their opinions, their behavior, and take all the power and time that you've been wasting on other people and bring it back here and let me focus on my thoughts, my actions, and the way that I want to live my life.

Speaker 69 And life gets very simple and a lot more peaceful, and you feel more powerful and in control.

Speaker 52 And so that's how you use it. Four words, let them and let me.

Speaker 69 But here's why why it works.

Speaker 69 It reduces the number one source of stress bill in everybody's life, and that's other people. Other people are so annoying.

Speaker 30 Right?

Speaker 69 Their opinions, their close talking, their judgments, their expectations.

Speaker 69 And the more you try to control them, the less control you feel. And it's much easier to just say, let them.

Speaker 69 It is. And it's also the other reason why this thing is spread around the world is when you start to read it, I'm the villain in the book, I'm the control freak, that's really irritating.

Speaker 69 You're either going to see yourself or somebody you love. And so you start to read it and you feel better about your boss who you hate, and you feel better that traffic isn't getting to you.

Speaker 69 And then you start to go, oh my God, my mother needs this. My sister needs this.
And so everybody is not only reading it, Bill, they're giving it to their families. And here's what I love.

Speaker 69 We all love saying let them. There's an Irish version of this.
I'm not going to say what it is. F them, right?

Speaker 39 Right?

Speaker 11 You could say that on basic TV now.

Speaker 3 Right, that's true.

Speaker 31 That's true.

Speaker 34 This is fucking HBO, right?

Speaker 3 Okay, so you know, fuck them is the Irish version of this.

Speaker 69 And when you're like, let them, let them, let them, you feel superior. But then what happens is you now have to figure out, okay, what do I do?

Speaker 69 I realize my siblings never call me back and I make all the effort. Let them.
My friends always go out without me and they don't invite me. My boss is rude to me and I don't like my job.

Speaker 69 Let them, let them, let them. But now what? Now you say, let me, let me choose how how I'm going to respond to the reality that I'm dealing with.
And that's where you take your control back.

Speaker 69 And what I love about this bill, and I love about people using it, is that you first start using it because you are annoyed with other people.

Speaker 69 I mean, we have families because it teaches you how to love people you hate sometimes.

Speaker 69 And that's also why people get married. It teaches you that.
But as you start to say, let them, you're forcing yourself to learn how to accept people as they are and as they're not.

Speaker 69 And you have to confront how judgmental you are of the other people in your life and learn how to let them be who they are, let them have the dignity of their own experience.

Speaker 69 And you start to recognize how much time and energy you burn up over the headlines, over people's expectations, over traffic. And it's stupid because your time and energy.

Speaker 14 But not everything is a let them case, right?

Speaker 2 Everything is.

Speaker 36 If you're being sexually harassed at the office, that's not a

Speaker 62 let them.

Speaker 6 Okay, well, here's what it is. Let them do it?

Speaker 69 Well, no, because they've already done it. So when you say let them, you're not allowing it.
You're forcing yourself to recognize the situation you're in.

Speaker 69 And that you're not going to change what's happening by trying to change them. You have to take the power and go, okay, well, let me recognize this is a situation I'm in.

Speaker 69 Let me stop gaslighting myself and making excuses and like sticking around and beating myself up and let me remind myself. that I get to choose what I do next.
Am I going to HR? Am I leaving this job?

Speaker 69 Am I hiring an attorney?

Speaker 69 All of the energy that you're spending complaining about it, worrying about it, beating yourself up, telling yourself there's nothing you can do, there's always something you can do.

Speaker 72 But that would be more like stop them

Speaker 2 than let them.

Speaker 44 Well, there are.

Speaker 18 Sometimes let them have to be stopped them, no?

Speaker 6 Yeah, of course.

Speaker 69 In situations where it's dangerous or discriminatory or somebody's getting hurt, of course you step in and stop them if that's your values.

Speaker 69 Because the number one rule is you can't change another person. People only change when they're ready to change for themselves.

Speaker 3 Period.

Speaker 3 Oh yeah.

Speaker 25 I've learned not the hard way.

Speaker 52 Yes, we all have, guys. We all have.

Speaker 16 Yeah.

Speaker 59 Well, I mean,

Speaker 47 your life was the hard way.

Speaker 18 I mean,

Speaker 33 you came from places that most people haven't been, deep in debt, drinking,

Speaker 3 day drinking.

Speaker 69 Well, wasn't that what you were doing today?

Speaker 16 Not drinking.

Speaker 20 And I don't, people think I smoke before the show.

Speaker 33 I don't smoke right before the show.

Speaker 52 I was going to say, that's a huge disappointment, everybody.

Speaker 52 That's key.

Speaker 52 That would be wrong.

Speaker 69 Well, my husband was like, okay, Mel, I know let them, but don't smoke before the show, smoke after. I don't want you to embarrass yourself on television.

Speaker 36 Killer Mike's here. Trust me, it's going to happen.

Speaker 16 Okay.

Speaker 39 But before we run out of time, let's get to the other part of it, because it's not just let them, it's let me. Yes.

Speaker 16 And you are very adamant in the book over and over. You make the point, one does not work without the other.
Correct.

Speaker 47 So let's make sure people understand what the let me part of it is.

Speaker 69 Right. So once you start saying let them and you protect your time and energy from other people and you also force yourself to accept people as they are.
You're never going to change your mom or dad.

Speaker 69 You got to learn to let them be who they are. It'll reduce so much pressure in your life.
Now pull it back here and say, let me. Like take the holidays.

Speaker 69 If you're you're going to go home and spend time with your family,

Speaker 69 stop gripping the wheel hoping it's different. These people have been the same their whole lives.

Speaker 69 So when you start going, let them, right, you are forcing yourself to recognize they are who they are, they have their opinions. I'm just going to let them be.

Speaker 69 Now let me remind myself: I get to choose what I think about this. I get to choose how much time and energy I spend here.
I mean, you can get up from a dining room table.

Speaker 69 You can get out of a text chain. You can divert a conversation away from a topic.
you're not a victim here, you're in control of what you do in response.

Speaker 69 And if you look at this is how you take responsibility for your life, this is how you change things for the better, and responsibility, Bill, is the ability to respond. That's what that word means.

Speaker 20 I mean, I feel you're doing my work here for me.

Speaker 21 This is like a theme show because

Speaker 20 again, this is, I mean, again, this is going to be the end of my show.

Speaker 14 It's every year at Thanksgiving, I have to do basically the same theme, which is telling people, don't cut off your family.

Speaker 77 No.

Speaker 63 It's just terrible.

Speaker 61 And I said this a few weeks, a few months ago, we did an editorial here on the show where I talked about Trump and the fact that there are things that really still I am very adamant about and I will never stop talking about.

Speaker 14 There are other things where I just, it's like in meditation where they say, just let the cloud pass.

Speaker 36 You know, like I see so many people are upset about him building a ballroom.

Speaker 33 I could give a fuck.

Speaker 16 I don't give a shit about it.

Speaker 2 paying for it, whether you vote for it or not.

Speaker 16 No, we're not paying for it.

Speaker 63 It's private.

Speaker 68 First of all, even if we did, you know.

Speaker 69 Well, it's already bulldozed, so any time you spend burning up about it, it's already happened. You have to decide what are you going to do in response to it.

Speaker 36 And it's like not the thing I want to concentrate on.

Speaker 2 There are so many bigger things

Speaker 36 that are consequential that I don't like him doing. And

Speaker 68 they tried to gin everybody up about, well, they're knocking down the White House.

Speaker 24 They've changed the White House before.

Speaker 22 And the White House does actually need a ballroom.

Speaker 16 You know, we're a big country.

Speaker 68 We were having state dinners and people were like

Speaker 79 under a tent.

Speaker 35 I've had better parties than that.

Speaker 42 So I am not, you know.

Speaker 24 But I still do think you have to choose your battles.

Speaker 63 You have to pick what you get upstairs.

Speaker 69 Yes, so if this were the dining room table, and you're saying something that pisses me off, right?

Speaker 69 I'm not suggesting that that pisses me off, but you're at a dining room table with your your family. You get to choose how much energy that opinion takes up up here.

Speaker 69 You get to choose whether or not you allow it to burn you up inside. You get to choose whether or not you're going to engage.

Speaker 69 And so, what I love about Let Them and Let Me is all day long you have this slice and dice that you can do where you force yourself and allow yourself to recognize what's in your control and what's not.

Speaker 69 And when it comes to opinions and families, I agree with you. The thing that's separating separating us is our inability to sit with each other and allow each other the dignity of

Speaker 69 their own experience and opinion,

Speaker 69 even if it offends us. Instead of leaning away, we have to learn how to sit with our upsetness and lean toward each other and go, well, why might you believe that?

Speaker 73 Right.

Speaker 49 Exactly.

Speaker 69 Help me understand that.

Speaker 32 So I think I have a self-help book in me. I'm never going to write it.

Speaker 20 But I was was reading about Gen Z and their, and I don't blame them.

Speaker 58 They are full of anxiety.

Speaker 14 And this article was, well, AI, they think it's going to

Speaker 60 take all their jobs.

Speaker 60 The robots might kill us all.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 78 Trump, there's going to be no jobs left.

Speaker 21 Nuclear stuff,

Speaker 33 climate change.

Speaker 25 Like, my book would be called, It's Not Going to Be That.

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 20 I'm 1970, what I've learned in life is whatever you think the future is,

Speaker 79 it could be shitty.

Speaker 36 It's not going to be what you think it is.

Speaker 68 So stop with the anxiety and just live your life.

Speaker 23 Because it's not going to be that.

Speaker 6 Well, here's what I'm going to do.

Speaker 26 That's life's trick on you always.

Speaker 12 Well, here's what I believe.

Speaker 69 I believe that we don't know what it's going to be. And if you're going to bother going, what if, what if, what if, you might as well also go, well, what if it all works out? Yes.

Speaker 2 What if I'm more capable than I know?

Speaker 40 Right, exactly.

Speaker 59 Anyway, again, I know you want, everybody wants you, and you came here.

Speaker 15 It means so much to me.

Speaker 24 It's perfect for our Thanksgiving show.

Speaker 42 I hope you do it again.

Speaker 34 Congratulations on the biggest book ever.

Speaker 52 No Robbins.

Speaker 42 Great to meet you.

Speaker 3 I hope I get to Sam Bowen.

Speaker 31 Thank you.

Speaker 52 You're routine.

Speaker 23 I appreciate that.

Speaker 51 Thank you.

Speaker 52 All right, let's meet our panel.

Speaker 45 Okay.

Speaker 18 Oh, my, here they are.

Speaker 11 All right, he is an entrepreneur and Grammy-winning, I'll say, musician, best known as one half of Run the Jewels and host of the Conversate with Killer Mike podcast.

Speaker 45 Killer Mike is over here.

Speaker 45 And

Speaker 80 she is an ABC news contributor, veteran political strategist, and former chair of the DNC.

Speaker 39 My girlfriend Donna Brazil is over here.

Speaker 39 How are you?

Speaker 45 Hey, Bill. Okay.

Speaker 2 Here we go. I love it, baby.
And the first time you really acknowledged our relationship,

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 it's, you know,

Speaker 76 I mean, that self-help session really allowed you to have a breakthrough.

Speaker 76 And if I'm invited over,

Speaker 76 I'll bake and roast your turkey.

Speaker 76 And you you know what they say once you go black?

Speaker 76 You'll never go back.

Speaker 76 I'll put some in your stuffing that will keep you lit up

Speaker 52 alive.

Speaker 52 I understand.

Speaker 3 Mike. Okay.

Speaker 76 Tell me what happened when a black woman put her greasy hands in the bowl.

Speaker 73 And what comes out? When I took him to the blue flame, you were all he could talk about.

Speaker 18 Okay, look, I know I'm not really needed here tonight.

Speaker 33 You know, I do understand that, but just until next season when we have the new owners here, let them

Speaker 33 whoever's going to buy this network, let them think I have some place here.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 76 we know all about job security.

Speaker 6 We don't help you, baby.

Speaker 68 But it is our finale for the year.

Speaker 58 We will be back January 23rd.

Speaker 20 It's the one time I get to thank my staff.

Speaker 32 You know, we're a very no-to-the-grind zone group here.

Speaker 21 And we don't, I probably should do it myself better, but we somehow are easier to say we appreciate each other, and I do appreciate them so much and what they do and how brilliant they are.

Speaker 51 Somehow it's easier to say it on the air than in private.

Speaker 20 But I want to ask you, too, since we are looking now to 2026, we will not be on again until 2026. That is going to be, I keep saying Democrats are going to win big.

Speaker 40 The party in power, they always do it.

Speaker 39 They get drunk with power.

Speaker 47 And then people,

Speaker 35 it creates this backlash.

Speaker 20 Certainly this administration has done that.

Speaker 58 So let's just go through who might be the frontrunner because we are going to, in 2026,

Speaker 12 be

Speaker 15 pretty by then, I think, know who was going to be the Democratic nominee.

Speaker 49 Who do you think the Democratic nominee should be for president, and who do you want it to be?

Speaker 76 I'll let this young man go first.

Speaker 76 Get your ass in trouble. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Come on. Take it up.

Speaker 34 Can't get up, Mike.

Speaker 77 I'm going to just bring the old Jewish guy back up, but he's never going to run again. Shouts out to Bernie.

Speaker 77 If the Democrats were the party that truly say they aspire to beat, Nina Turner would be the first black woman president, first woman president.

Speaker 77 She'd be the most progressive president that we've seen in the last 20, 25 years. I've lost a lot of my faith in what we say we want versus what we actually want.

Speaker 77 and I see the Democratic frontrunner probably being a white man probably coming out of Midwest what's my guy in Illinois J.B.

Speaker 77 Pritzer J.Britzer is probably going to be I think that America is leaning toward white maledom I think that there's some why do we have to put it in terms of that

Speaker 44 and it all comes down to that to be very honest with you if you want to see

Speaker 77 if you want to see a litness test for how this country is going to bend look at any given moment how it's treating black or working class people a lot of times white working class people forget they're black too.

Speaker 77 Then they get a black moment. They go, oh shit, we're all in the same boat together.
What I mean by that is

Speaker 77 when I was a kid, I thought that you couldn't put U.S. Army and ICE and shit in American neighborhoods, yet here we are.
What's your fucking name, Santiago? It's my middle name.

Speaker 77 And I'm just like, I promise my mom just got off a wine bottle. I'm now from south of the border.
But

Speaker 77 I think that this country, Sanders said at the end of his last campaign, we need to pay attention to the white working class.

Speaker 77 A lot of people in my community took that offensively as though he was ignoring us. And he wasn't.

Speaker 77 What he saw was the white working class was going to turn the tide, and they did, and they went to the wrong side.

Speaker 77 And that being realized now, I think that they're going to be looking for another white man. I think he's going to have to identify with some working classes.

Speaker 6 So the Democrats just

Speaker 68 pick the best person.

Speaker 27 We have to, because I feel like when they get into this box checking thing,

Speaker 75 it just leads them astray.

Speaker 24 Because like Kamala was like, okay, we had to have someone of color, we had to have a woman, and then when she gets the job, then she has to go the other direction and pick as vice president a lame white guy.

Speaker 3 We're always relying like

Speaker 3 that.

Speaker 2 Okay, so we're like we're always balancing it out instead of just.

Speaker 76 As someone who's probably worked on more campaigns than I like to admit,

Speaker 76 we don't really pick candidates that way. We don't go and look in the crayon box and say, ooh, I can't wait to get that little one.

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 76 We actually have a very rigorous exercise that involves taking candidates through the early states.

Speaker 77 And Trump made it through that?

Speaker 44 Trump can make it through anything.

Speaker 76 Okay, we know that. But on the Democratic side, yeah, we're going to have a vigorous primary.
It's an open season. And you know what happens in open seasons?

Speaker 76 We get a large number of people who are interested. So, of course, we're going to have about eight or nine governors, including Mr.
Shapiro, possibly Mr. Moore, and maybe Mr.
Newsome. We don't know.

Speaker 76 But there are many governors who are interested, Gretchen Whitman, because I want to mention some of the women. Women are not going to sit back and wait to be called.

Speaker 76 We are going to continue to march forward. We might also look at members of Congress.
AOC is interested. Maybe Rocana is interested.

Speaker 76 We have United States senators, some who've run before, like Klobuchar, like Booker, like Chris Murphy, who might also decide to run. It's going to be an open season.

Speaker 76 We will have plenty of time to really go through it. But I agree with you one thing you said.
It's going to be a great year for Democrats because the American people are tired of

Speaker 2 the overreach.

Speaker 76 They're tired of the overreach and they're going to look for alternatives. Not just any Democrats.
And let me say one last thing. I'm going to get myself in trouble.
Please help me out.

Speaker 76 We're going to have a generational shift in our country. Democrats have been, for years, we like the candidate with the most experience, most gray hair.

Speaker 2 Bullshit.

Speaker 76 We want somebody who is forward-looking, who's young and restless, searching for tomorrow with one life to live because the American people want something different. Did I put it all together for you?

Speaker 34 As you always do.

Speaker 76 I'm open to dating a young man. I can date anybody now, okay?

Speaker 2 You know, bring it on.

Speaker 76 My pot is big enough.

Speaker 76 Well, I'm not talking about that stuff you're going to do late.

Speaker 73 I'm talking about.

Speaker 16 Oh, oh, I know.

Speaker 77 I know. I've never seen you blush this much.

Speaker 82 Are you going to smoke weed with us later and keep talking like that?

Speaker 73 Well, is it legal?

Speaker 76 No. Yes.
No, but I still

Speaker 77 from Georgia. I'm still scared.

Speaker 44 Yo, what's up with them trying to ban marijuana now?

Speaker 77 Like, Trump, we thought more of you.

Speaker 82 Yeah. Like, what's what?

Speaker 74 They're going to get rid of it?

Speaker 79 Well, he's talked about both. He's also said, we're going to change it.

Speaker 33 It's not going to be a Schedule I.

Speaker 58 Yeah, let's do that.

Speaker 74 I like that one.

Speaker 33 Well, this is, again, why it's good for people like me to talk to him.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 18 Audrey Kevin.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 2 you have an open invitation, right?

Speaker 76 You have an open invitation to go back to the White House.

Speaker 16 No.

Speaker 31 Oh, you should.

Speaker 61 I mean,

Speaker 24 it depends on the week.

Speaker 80 I mean, you know, he still yells at me.

Speaker 2 Oh. Yeah.
I mean, he doesn't.

Speaker 73 He yells at everybody. I know, but.

Speaker 76 He's never called you piggy because I know he wouldn't call you piggy.

Speaker 24 Oh, he's called me.

Speaker 10 Are you kidding?

Speaker 14 I have a list of 56 56 insults that he has called me over the years.

Speaker 11 I brought it to the White House and he signed it.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 64 I mean, it's an amazing document.

Speaker 4 But,

Speaker 34 I mean, that list of people.

Speaker 10 What do you think of somebody way outside the realm?

Speaker 27 Because I think, I mean, you say they want somebody younger.

Speaker 79 I think we're like post-politician era.

Speaker 56 I actually think Stephen A.

Speaker 35 Smith is kind of realistic.

Speaker 6 For president? Yeah.

Speaker 25 Well, he talks about it, but people talk about it.

Speaker 16 No, LeBron fans are going to vote for him.

Speaker 77 It's not going to be.

Speaker 82 I love Stephen A.

Speaker 77 He'd run great as a Republican, I think, but I don't think he'd run well as a Democrat.

Speaker 37 Oh, I do. I do.

Speaker 75 I think the Democrat Steve is somebody who doesn't give a shit.

Speaker 15 And that's him, who will say the thing.

Speaker 6 I like him. He talks shit.

Speaker 62 Yeah, he does.

Speaker 27 And also, you know what?

Speaker 24 It is good to have a Democratic Party,

Speaker 20 a black person, because they can.

Speaker 44 So why you got to talk about nigga shit?

Speaker 3 i'm just breaking your ball i'm just breaking your mouth

Speaker 75 i'll tell you why it's why it's the way obama was able to be a centrist yeah it's able to be more of a centrist

Speaker 72 in the democratic party because

Speaker 33 the white democrats are very afraid of being called racist that's why we have wound up with open borders and stuff like that yeah and they can i mean stephen a smith can go have you all lost your goddamn mind

Speaker 72 in a way that Pritzer cannot? Well,

Speaker 76 maybe

Speaker 76 he would add to the sauce. I don't think he has all the necessary spices.

Speaker 16 I think you've got to think outside the box, too.

Speaker 76 See, I am thinking as far outside as I possibly can. And I like him.
I like him, especially on ESPN when he talks sports. Just leave my damn New Orleans Saints alone.

Speaker 76 I know they're shitty, but that's nobody's business, but our business.

Speaker 23 All right.

Speaker 77 He does bring in, and I wore this today just to show solidarity with the working class in this country. I think he resonates with the working class.

Speaker 77 And I do think, and the reason I say it specifically, I think that Americans are going to want to lean into someone who's not going to be able to do that.

Speaker 20 He's willing to call Democrats on their shit, too.

Speaker 77 Charlemagne de Gaude would make a great break.

Speaker 40 We need that.

Speaker 80 All right. So we always do this before we have a break.

Speaker 33 People rely on us to get the news. We're not going to be here for a couple of months.

Speaker 37 So we do the future headlines.

Speaker 47 We actually can tell you what the headlines are going to be.

Speaker 28 Wobble Roff.

Speaker 79 Would you like to see the headlines?

Speaker 31 These are the

Speaker 23 future headlines, and we will be seeing,

Speaker 19 for example, President Trump demands the Nobel Peace Prize for ending war on Christmas.

Speaker 22 You will see that headline.

Speaker 10 Billionaires admit they were bullshitting about leaving New York.

Speaker 25 Yes, that is absolutely true.

Speaker 61 They're not going anywhere.

Speaker 10 Zoran Mandami's speaking fee quadruples embraces capitalism.

Speaker 23 Yes, I can see that.

Speaker 13 AI actress blows AI director on AI couch for role in AI movie.

Speaker 10 Trump demands South America change name to South North America.

Speaker 10 ICE agents raid nativity scene.

Speaker 10 Makers of Ozempic admit it's just speed.

Speaker 10 Tylenol unveils Tylenol Light with 50% less autism.

Speaker 52 And

Speaker 39 Trump claims dog ate the Epstein files like a dog.

Speaker 39 All right.

Speaker 34 Oh, no, those are great.

Speaker 26 Let me throw one more name out there that you didn't mention.

Speaker 11 And she was in the news this week, Michelle Obama.

Speaker 48 She has a book out, a coffee table book. Yeah.

Speaker 16 What?

Speaker 2 I like her. I mean,

Speaker 2 I didn't know, though.

Speaker 77 She said, she said she referred to her.

Speaker 18 Well, that's what I wanted to...

Speaker 77 She said she didn't think the country was ready for her.

Speaker 46 Well, that's what we have to talk about.

Speaker 84 I mean, her statement, I was rather shocked by it.

Speaker 11 She said, as we saw in the past election, sadly, we ain't ready. Okay, to me, this is logical fallacy 101.

Speaker 61 Just because we weren't ready or didn't like the candidates, Hillary and Kamala,

Speaker 59 doesn't mean we're not ready for a woman.

Speaker 12 Maybe.

Speaker 18 That's why I'm like, don't even look at me about running because you are all lying. You're not ready for a woman.

Speaker 36 You are not, so don't waste my time.

Speaker 59 You know, we've got a lot of growing up to do.

Speaker 47 And there are still sadly a lot of men who do not feel like they can be led by a woman.

Speaker 35 I think it's a bad attitude.

Speaker 15 I do.

Speaker 33 I mean we said we weren't ready for a black president and someone, I can't remember who, maybe she remembers,

Speaker 51 said maybe it just has to be the right one.

Speaker 76 So maybe we should stop talking about it and just do it, right?

Speaker 77 I vote for Donald.

Speaker 76 No, but you talk cash shit in the White House like you I hear I'd love to have you talk in a foreign country can I tell you something I can't stay in the White House man they got an iron gate you know I got to let loose

Speaker 76 first of all Bill America is 250 years old for 125 of those 250 women did not have the right to vote let's start that so we had to it it's taken us longer to get to the starting line I do believe that Hillary what she did in 2016 with 68 million votes,

Speaker 76 along with Kamala, what she did with 75 million votes, we are ready. 80% of the American people say they are ready.
In fact, over 84% of young people under 30 say they are ready.

Speaker 76 So the idea that America is not ready is bullshit. They may not be ready for this one or that one, but.

Speaker 81 Let me zero in on that second half.

Speaker 59 A lot of men who do not feel like they can be led by a woman.

Speaker 75 Now let me, that's what she said.

Speaker 3 Okay. Okay.

Speaker 24 Trump won the Hispanic vote by one point this last time.

Speaker 16 Right.

Speaker 37 And yet, when Biden was the guy, there was a 34-point margin for him.

Speaker 74 True.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 22 So that's a big swing.

Speaker 66 from voting for a man, Biden, for not voting for a woman, Kamala.

Speaker 32 And then, similarly, there was a 35-point difference in how black men voted in 2024 versus the 2020 election with Biden.

Speaker 80 So

Speaker 72 I think this is what she's saying, partly.

Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 68 It's like there are certain people, certain...

Speaker 77 How did white Southern women vote? Black guys are kind of tired of being in this debate. We usually vote within points of black women.

Speaker 77 So like when that stat gets thrown out, we take the blame in our community. But white Southern women are a very peculiar voting bloc.

Speaker 77 They'll talk the women's liberation thing, and then their daughters of Confederate soldiers will be the ones who get statues erected in your town.

Speaker 77 So I would look at the Southeast in particular, and I would look at white working class women versus looking at the Hispanic vote overall and black male vote.

Speaker 77 I think that the white working class in this country is going to have to get comfortable with women leadership.

Speaker 77 And if you're looking at white male podcasts and blogs now, it is a shit show of shitting on women.

Speaker 77 They, you know, whether it's your tapes or your fit, fresh and fit guys who are of the darker tone, but all of them are taking time to point and say women are not leaders.

Speaker 77 So there's a growing weird sentiment in this country that seems to be against women leadership. But I come out of a community where everything is pretty much matriarchal anyway.

Speaker 77 So I trust a woman to lead. The question is, can you convince white working class people to do the same?

Speaker 76 To your point, in the last election on November 4th, women won gubernatorial. We now have 14 female governors, which is the largest ever.

Speaker 76 So the American people are showing that they are going to support women candidates.

Speaker 76 And by the way, the first lady said this the day after the election when you saw a woman become the mayor of Detroit. Motown got some kick now.

Speaker 76 Syracuse, Albany. Women were winning all over the country.
So I think the future is women. We need to encourage more women to run.
We need to get more women in the pipeline.

Speaker 76 And like Mexico, Sri Lanka, Namibia, Japan, we're going to see a female president. And guess what, Bill? I'm going to make sure you get invited to the naughty.

Speaker 76 You can be my dad, because I'm going to tell you something. I know the dates you will bring can't last as long as I do.

Speaker 2 I'll pour some.

Speaker 76 Let me stop because I don't want to bring you home right now. I got my dog at the hotel.
I don't know if I want to.

Speaker 76 Jora is particular.

Speaker 12 You think that would be the deal breaker?

Speaker 31 How the dog? Yeah.

Speaker 18 Okay.

Speaker 11 So let me ask you about education. It's going to be a big issue.

Speaker 33 Linda McMahon, who's the Department of Education Secretary,

Speaker 15 she was talking this week about, now we know the Republicans have wanted to shut it down since 1979

Speaker 32 when it was founded.

Speaker 16 So it's not been there forever. Not long.

Speaker 66 Okay.

Speaker 56 She said it's mostly a pass-through for funds that are best managed by the states.

Speaker 20 This stuff does not sound too unreasonable to me.

Speaker 14 She does it would not mean ending federal support for education,

Speaker 59 funding for low-income students, students with disabilities.

Speaker 75 That predates the education department and that would continue as would protecting students' civil rights.

Speaker 15 New York Magazine had an article that came out today.

Speaker 21 It's called The Big Fail.

Speaker 25 Here's the quote that they had on the cover, student achievement has fallen off a cliff and neither Trump nor the pandemic is to blame.

Speaker 35 Why do we need the Department of Education if it has done such a shitty job?

Speaker 16 Kids don't come out of school.

Speaker 40 First of all, they can't read or do math anymore, and they don't know anything.

Speaker 61 I mean, if we went to the blue flame tonight.

Speaker 77 Let's.

Speaker 77 All those girls working their way through college, they deserve some money for their education.

Speaker 34 But don't ask them about the three branches again.

Speaker 33 But I mean I really do feel like the Democratic Party this has been their portfolio for a long time education right okay, so they I feel like they if they're gonna get back into office They have to own this issue a little because a lot of the states that are doing better now are like the southern states Really?

Speaker 62 Which one? Mississippi.

Speaker 76 Mississippi's been better than Louisiana.

Speaker 16 See, you're in a bubble.

Speaker 2 I'm in a bubble.

Speaker 3 You didn't get that story.

Speaker 76 Well, I'm glad. I'm glad Mississippi is doing better, and I hope Alabama.
But look, I don't believe that this is a Democrat or a Republican problem. This is a whole of

Speaker 2 okay?

Speaker 76 I mean, we have put a lot of weight and a lot of pressure on our teachers to do the job that our parents and our communities should also be doing. I am a proud graduate of America's public schools.

Speaker 6 I am grateful for the support.

Speaker 76 It's the great equalizer. Have they fallen short in some areas? Yes.

Speaker 76 But to dismantle a huge federal department and to create all this confusion that the Labor Department is going to do this, Interior is going to take over and Indigenous this,

Speaker 76 we still don't know what is the next step with dismantled education.

Speaker 76 All I know is that we've made a lot of improvements, but we have a long way to go before we have a society where everybody gets a head start and an equal start in life.

Speaker 28 What an improvement.

Speaker 4 Why, we've got to fund them and we've got to give teachers the money they deserve.

Speaker 76 We need to stop star-changing teachers.

Speaker 77 I like Don I'm a product of public school education. And uniquely in Atlanta, I'm from a city that's majority black.

Speaker 77 Majority of the schools are named for and inspired by black revolutionaries, black educators.

Speaker 77 I went to Frederick Douglass High School. Our rival high school was Benjamin E.
Mays High School. Benjamin E.
Mays was the president of Morehouse College. Of course, the famous college Dr.

Speaker 77 King went to. These schools had a great rivalry because you had working class kids at school with working class kids, poor kids, and rich kids.

Speaker 77 All your kids are black, but they have to sharpen their skills against one another. There's a spirit of competition.

Speaker 77 Before 79 and before education went strictly to test taking and reading, write, and arithmetic, they also had trades trades in their schools. At the time Dr.
King went to Booker T.

Speaker 77 Washington High School, he not only had to learn reading, write, and arithmetic, he had to learn how to upholster a chair or how to build something with a hammer.

Speaker 77 Our educational system needs to look back into when we were successful. And prior to 1979, you had everything from archery in schools to track.
Physical fitness was there.

Speaker 77 You had art and music, which Reagan seshed out in the 80s. So both sides have done.
But you have to look at Democrats, I think, on a local level and say, we need to do a better job.

Speaker 77 And that starts by saying, we fucked up. We fucked up by becoming test-taking centers.
Well, no child left behind left a lot of kids behind.

Speaker 77 School choice pulled the best premium kids out of public schools and left them alone together.

Speaker 77 And then you got a bunch of kids who were aspirationally wanted to be better, but they didn't have a kid next to them saying, you can do it, who already understood calculus. So we failed our kids.

Speaker 77 And as adults, we need to say, pay teachers more. Give teachers the lowest home loans you can possible to live in their districts.

Speaker 77 Teachers, police, and environment, I believe, because these are some strong civil surgery cornerstones. Our principals need to stay there for a longer tenures.

Speaker 77 When Frederick Douglass High School only had two principals and had been in existence 40 years, they were a national school of excellence putting out kids anything from athletics to academics.

Speaker 77 The minute they went to seven principals within 11 years, they started to fall. So we are failing public schools in this country, both parties.
We need to recommit on a very local level.

Speaker 77 We need to stop being test-taking centers. We need to re-enter trades back into the schools and prepare our children for real life, including financial literacy,

Speaker 77 as young as fifth, sixth grades versus what we're doing now.

Speaker 61 Sounds like he's running.

Speaker 2 And I support that.

Speaker 76 I mean, we need an apprenticeship program. I was talking to my brother, and he said, I'm going to tell my son, if he can't, you know, finish up the math, go and get a trade.

Speaker 76 So we need a trendy school.

Speaker 2 My son's pairing trade school.

Speaker 77 Shouts out to Pony Boy.

Speaker 83 You're saying we shouldn't test?

Speaker 37 Is that what you said in that?

Speaker 2 No, we...

Speaker 77 Testing should not be the fact.

Speaker 82 There was another.

Speaker 85 They stopped testing, and it got worse.

Speaker 16 No, no, no, no.

Speaker 77 testing has become the only thing that teachers worry about because it determines how much money comes in so the administration is pressing that there was a huge colleges don't some colleges now that a lot of the ivies have gone back to testing but before they did yeah they ain't told that the black kids yet my baby still had to take the ACT and SAT okay but my accountant though god bless his soul had his child deemed autistic and he didn't have to so he was smarter than me I wish I would have known that earlier I would just told my child just just say you're crazy like your auntie we'll get in but

Speaker 77 shouts out to my baby at Hampton University. But what I'm saying is that no child left behind, and the focus on are we meeting test marks did away with education.

Speaker 77 True education is when a teacher has a classroom of children and they're determined to find the talents of those children after meeting our base writing, reading, and arithmetic things and saying, What talent will send you to the next level?

Speaker 77 And we are not doing that anymore in this country.

Speaker 23 Okay, well, we're gonna do it here, starting again next year, but right now it's time for new rules, everybody.

Speaker 30 The final rules

Speaker 31 of the year.

Speaker 52 Okay.

Speaker 13 New rule, the next time the Russian tech company Idol tries to showcase their AI-powered humanoid robot, they have to try and make it look a little less like every drunk girl who's ever passed out at the club.

Speaker 42 This is not the way of the future.

Speaker 13 This is the way to make your UBA driver say, no, sorry, and drive off.

Speaker 11 New role Pete Hagseth has to explain why all the names of his military operations sound like gay porn titles.

Speaker 25 Operation Rough Rider.

Speaker 10 Operation Midnight Hammer.

Speaker 42 Operation Southern Spear.

Speaker 11 Those don't sound like attack plans.

Speaker 20 They sound like the awkward pay-per-view charges on Lindsey Graham's hotel bill.

Speaker 13 Neural, instead of coming up with endless new flavors for Doritos, think about this.

Speaker 81 Take the existing flavor of Dorito and make every Dorito in the bag taste good.

Speaker 13 Unlike now when every eighth one has flavor and the others you just eat because they're already in your mouth.

Speaker 42 How hard can it be? It's paprika not changing the quotas at Harvard.

Speaker 13 New world, respect, respect, rare respect is due.

Speaker 49 The kids wanted to come up with something that just fucked with adults for no reason and

Speaker 13 they knocked it out of the park with their stupid, pointless, meaningless catchphrase 6-7.

Speaker 81 Even getting dictionary.com to say it's impossible to define.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 46 we're all still trying to figure out exactly what it means.

Speaker 13 Hey, dictionary.com, you're a dictionary.

Speaker 81 Telling us what words mean is the whole point of you existing.

Speaker 13 It's like if you turned on the GPS in your car and it said, shit, we're lost.

Speaker 49 Neural, you can't put a headline that reads, Jelly Roll is unrecognizable after 200-pound weight loss right above a picture that makes me say, hey, look, it's Jelly Roll.

Speaker 20 He's still 350.

Speaker 10 No one's mistaking him for Ariana Grande.

Speaker 71 Please, Daddy's working.

Speaker 10 If you really want to fool me with a celebrity I won't recognize, show me Kanye's wife with clothes on.

Speaker 10 And finally, new rule, happy Thanksgiving. I can't believe that even that now is a political issue.

Speaker 68 It is a real shame what's happened to this holiday, which used to be all about the good Fs, food, friends, family, football, fun.

Speaker 56 And now it's, fuck you.

Speaker 27 You're not even invited because you voted for the wrong person.

Speaker 81 I'm so tired of liberals ghosting half this country.

Speaker 68 Conservatives do it too, but not nearly as much.

Speaker 68 Look, whoever's doing it, it's got to stop, because we're at a point now where politics politics has broken up more families than letting your wife see your phone.

Speaker 81 Now on the liberal side, there's two camps now.

Speaker 48 The We Need to Keep Talking to People wing and the go-no contact wing.

Speaker 20 That's what they call it now.

Speaker 25 Go-no-contact.

Speaker 71 This belief that Trump voters, even if it's your own parents, are too deplorable for human contact and must be cut off.

Speaker 67 You know, like Scientologists do to suppressive people.

Speaker 49 A former speechwriter for Obama named David Litt wrote an op-ed this year called, Is It Time to Stop Snubbing Your Right Wing Family?

Speaker 58 where he admitted he'd had a change of heart and that was the wrong approach.

Speaker 24 So of course then the woke wing tried to banish him for breaking ranks on their policy of hating people who don't agree with you on everything.

Speaker 67 Because what fun is life if you're not cutting somebody off?

Speaker 81 Mr. Lint asked the question, what has all this banishing accomplished?

Speaker 72 Oh, I know, I know.

Speaker 24 A second helping of MAGA, that's what.

Speaker 20 Molly McNearney, Jimmy Kimmel's wife and head writer, went public on this topic recently, so I feel it's fair to comment respectfully in public.

Speaker 20 She says she's lost relationships with relatives because she wrote them an email before the election with 10 reasons why they shouldn't vote for Trump.

Speaker 68 And some still didn't obey.

Speaker 32 So, you know,

Speaker 71 10 reasons.

Speaker 18 I can think of a hundred.

Speaker 8 But I would never present it to someone as an ultimatum.

Speaker 58 Ultimatums don't make people rethink their politics, they make them rethink you.

Speaker 36 Somewhere along the way, my values became code for I'm the only one with a moral compass.

Speaker 54 You know what would have been a better exercise?

Speaker 46 Write a top 10 list to yourself or you try to imagine 10 reasons why 77 million Americans didn't want to trust you with taking power.

Speaker 8 And I say that as someone who votes Democratic, as I like to remind my very pure friends, we voted for the same person.

Speaker 85 You're just why she lost.

Speaker 67 Can we please try to remember, especially at this time of year, that most people don't decide their politics.

Speaker 48 They inherit them.

Speaker 71 It's about where you grew up in America, what your parents taught you, your life experiences, your religion.

Speaker 8 Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia was here recently, and I was amazed by the number of people who reached out after the show to say, wow, I kind of like her.

Speaker 20 Yeah, that's been my line for a while.

Speaker 67 Everyone's a monster till you talk to them.

Speaker 20 On our overtime segment that night, someone asked about the alien spaceship.

Speaker 58 Maybe you've been reading about it, the 3-1 Atlas comet that's headed to Earth and will arrive on December 19th to wipe out all life as we know it.

Speaker 28 It's a joke, don't worry.

Speaker 48 And when I quoted people in our own Defense Department who had said, Well, hold on, what you think might be aliens actually could be fallen angels or demons,

Speaker 14 Marjorie agreed, saying, Absolutely.

Speaker 48 She said, I'm a Christian conservative, angels and demons, that's what we believe.

Speaker 72 Okay, I think that's nuts.

Speaker 27 But you know what?

Speaker 12 So is, is this a girl or a boy?

Speaker 11 I can't tell by its penis.

Speaker 14 I'm not going to go through wokeism's greatest hits now, but you know, the safetyism, the open borders, queers for Palestine, whatever this was.

Speaker 20 I mean, I could go on, really.

Speaker 84 There's a lot of stuff.

Speaker 85 The other side has their top 10 list too, and some of it's pretty hard to argue with.

Speaker 67 And I know, I know the President of the United States called a woman woman piggy this week, and you're a better person than me because you hate it more than I do.

Speaker 37 But I hate it too, really.

Speaker 49 As well as a thousand other things about the Trump administration, I never stop pointing out on this show.

Speaker 28 But I'm an adult, and in the real world, there's some people you just can't stop talking to, like your spouse or partner after a bad fight, tempting as that is.

Speaker 81 Like your dick of a boss, like your family, and like the President of the United States.

Speaker 36 This is so childish, so purely emotional.

Speaker 28 The people who got all butthurt because I had dinner with them,

Speaker 67 you know, because he's Hitler.

Speaker 8 Except he's not.

Speaker 72 So unhelpful and dumb.

Speaker 75 Trump is the most supportive president Israel and the Jews ever had.

Speaker 33 You know, every year I used to ask Larry David to do real-time, and he'd always say, Bill, I can't.

Speaker 20 I'm not smart enough about politics to do your show.

Speaker 33 Yeah, I get that now.

Speaker 42 Because there is no argument here.

Speaker 67 There's just the sugar rush that the no-contact people get from never coming in second in a I hate Trump the most contest.

Speaker 74 Really?

Speaker 46 That's your strategy?

Speaker 79 To go full high school and tell the guy with all the power he can't sit with you at the lunch table?

Speaker 68 To borrow a phrase familiar to HBO viewers, you are not serious people.

Speaker 38 I mean, what exactly is the argument that by talking to Trump, I'll elevate him?

Speaker 36 Oh my God, don't tell me he could become president.

Speaker 20 Well, I guess ma'am Donnie is going to elevate Trump because he went to the White House today.

Speaker 44 And look who's getting along now.

Speaker 17 This guy, MBS, was at the White House this week.

Speaker 25 Biden thought he could cut him off,

Speaker 20 but a year later he found out he couldn't. There's no perfect way to deal with Trump, but not engaging is for sure nothing.

Speaker 20 Axios wrote a column in August entitled 11 Ways to Influence Trump, based on many interviews with people who have done that.

Speaker 46 Number eight, get face-to-face.

Speaker 59 The trick is getting in the room, away from cameras and social media.

Speaker 58 Trump will say or write horrible things, but rarely in person, one-on-one, where he comes off kinder, more interested, less erratic.

Speaker 67 Exactly.

Speaker 67 And there's a bunch of examples of this.

Speaker 58 Most recently, the CEO of Intel, who Trump was hating on, but then he met in person, and now he's a great guy.

Speaker 10 Trump was going to send the National Guard to San Francisco, but somebody talked him out of that.

Speaker 63 Kim Kardashian, for fuck's sake, convinced him to sign legislation.

Speaker 42 Don't you get it?

Speaker 10 Do you really not get it at this point?

Speaker 13 Everything with him is done through personal relationships.

Speaker 12 He's a people guy.

Speaker 24 Trust me, he's not at home at night poring over the briefing books.

Speaker 10 This is government by people is saying,

Speaker 33 if anything, we need more people like me having dinner with him.

Speaker 46 You complain he's surrounded by ass kissers, but your strategy is to make sure no one but ass kissers are around him.

Speaker 21 You are not serious people.

Speaker 42 Hey,

Speaker 12 Rachel Maddow went to Dick Cheney's funeral yesterday.

Speaker 25 We can do this, people.

Speaker 64 It's Thanksgiving.

Speaker 13 Do yourself a favor, get over yourself, and go have it with your family.

Speaker 64 Thank you very much for a great season.

Speaker 34 You are the best audience every week these days. I appreciate it so much.

Speaker 26 Thank you, HBO, my wonderful staff.

Speaker 43 We're back after the holidays on January 23rd.

Speaker 64 I want to thank Killer Mike, Donna Brazil, and Mel Robbins. Club random drops every Monday while we're off on YouTube or listen wherever you get your podcast.

Speaker 26 Now go watch Overtime on YouTube.

Speaker 25 Thank you, people.

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