Overtime – Episode #715: Killer Mike, Donna Brazile

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Speaker 4 Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO Late Night Series, Real Time with Bill Ma.

Speaker 4 All right.

Speaker 2 He's an entrepreneur, podcast host, and musician, best known as one half of the group running the fuels, killer Mike. I know.
It's just like...

Speaker 2 And she's an ABC News contributor and former DNC chair in Donna, Brazil.

Speaker 2 Trump threatened to pull ABC's license this week.

Speaker 1 No, what the hell?

Speaker 2 See, this is what I was talking about with Mel, about like the things that bother me versus the things that don't. That bothers me.
You see, the ballroom, I give a fuck.

Speaker 2 I don't care about the ballroom. I care about that.
You just, I mean, like, it just, and also, like, did you see the thing about

Speaker 2 the six Democrats

Speaker 2 who are all military service and intelligence work in their background said,

Speaker 2 look, you don't have to follow orders.

Speaker 2 I don't know about that. Now, I understand what they mean, because this thing with Venezuela is not legal.

Speaker 2 But what do you think about telling people in the armed services you don't have to follow orders? Now, Trump, of course, went ballistic and said, George Washington would have hung them.

Speaker 2 Sedition, death. You know, he goes right to that, and then today he walked it back.
I didn't mean death.

Speaker 3 You said death. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And meanwhile, those lawmakers have to reach out to the U.S. Capitol Police, the House Sergeant-in-Arms, because they're getting death threats, because they're afraid.
And look, Senator Mark Kelly.

Speaker 3 Who's getting death threats?

Speaker 3 Those members of the list of Slockin.

Speaker 1 Mark Kelly, who's married to Gabby Gifford, I mean, to get death threats, he understands that. So it was wrong for Donald Trump to say that online.

Speaker 3 Of course.

Speaker 1 Now, here's the point. The military, there's a military rule that says you must follow legal, lawful orders.

Speaker 1 It's already in their military contract. They know what they're taking.

Speaker 2 But who's to say what that is? Aren't the courts looking at that right now? And are you going to say to 21-year-olds on the USS Enterprise, you have to decide?

Speaker 1 Because there's an effort underway to politicize our military. I understand.

Speaker 3 And government. And our government.
Weaponizing. And justice to that.

Speaker 1 And their point was: don't give up the ship.

Speaker 1 You've taken an oath, don't give up the ship.

Speaker 2 Once you say to the military, you get to decide, as opposed to, yes, sir, no, sir, follow orders,

Speaker 2 it's a dangerous area.

Speaker 3 What about what we say in ninth grade civics class, though, about the Bill of Rights in the United States Constitution? That goes back to undereducating Americans, period.

Speaker 3 I think that there is a goal in public schools to make sure Americans are dumb. And I don't just mean Americans that look like me, to make sure the average working class American is dumb.

Speaker 3 The average civilian.

Speaker 2 You think that's a conspiracy.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I do. Because I think that the average working class...

Speaker 2 Well, again,

Speaker 2 the Democrats' portfolio is educated.

Speaker 3 I don't give a shit what side of the fence you're on. Okay, great.
It hasn't been good for America. I happen to believe in this republic.

Speaker 3 I think that as young as we are in 250 years, we stand the greatest chance of being one of the greatest republics ever to have been formed on earth. But we are giving up too much.

Speaker 3 And part of what you give up is the adherence to the United States Constitution and the understanding that that Constitution can transform. It can be amended.
It can be grow.

Speaker 3 I personally think the 13th Amendment needs to be re-amended so that we don't have an excuse for slavery, period.

Speaker 3 That ends the need for private and state prisons in the same way, reduces the prison population from what used to be a half a million over two million now.

Speaker 3 But I think that soldiers do have a responsibility to adhere to the Constitution.

Speaker 3 I think if you're sent in on orders to disrupt a First Amendment constitutionally protected thing, I think as a soldier, you should say absolutely not. I'm not going to do that.

Speaker 3 Because we're just picking sides right now, and George Carlin said years ago, you know, it's a club and you ain't in it.

Speaker 3 What we're doing is picking members of the club who are going to fly on a jet together afterwards, whether they're Democrat or Republican. They're buddy-buddy.

Speaker 3 They went to Harvard, they went to Yale, they went to Morehouse, they went to Howard together. They're still going to be friends after the bourgeoisie and up.
That class is going to be okay.

Speaker 3 But we, the working class, the people who got to wear shit like this to work every day, we're going to get fucked over in this.

Speaker 3 And people who wear shit like this every day usually do this and say yes, sir, no, sir.

Speaker 3 So for me, I would rather our soldiers be strictly adhering to the United States Constitution and not follow any order that's unconstitutional.

Speaker 3 Again,

Speaker 2 you're asking, I mean,

Speaker 2 the military is just different. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 You're asking kids who probably don't know anything about the Constitution to make that decision.

Speaker 3 We got to fix that too, Bill.

Speaker 2 I know, but we haven't fixed it, but right now, we need to bring that fucking schoolhouse rocket.

Speaker 3 I mean, it's like,

Speaker 3 we got to do something, brother. We can't just have an ignorant proletariat.

Speaker 2 I know, but like, you'd be okay if they did that that with Obama because he blew up somebody.

Speaker 3 I don't give a fuck. He blew up somebody.

Speaker 3 I was going to hold, so we're going to talk about this, right? Oh, we killed Gaddafi. We knocked him off the motherfucking shirt.
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 You're like, absolutely. But as a black person, I saw slavery return to Libya.

Speaker 3 I saw a man who was willing to help black people in their plight and their struggle by giving billions, ignored.

Speaker 3 I saw someone who wanted to unite Africa under one currency and have a potentially United States of Africa. And I know how dangerous that is to Europe and the United States.
I saw that crushed.

Speaker 3 And as an American, I had to shut the fuck up, go with the Republic. But that's something if I ever had a chance to talk to Obama on, I'd really say.

Speaker 2 Do you see Gaddafi a good guy?

Speaker 3 I see Gaddafi as being not as bad as they said. But I can't see any president I have as a good guy.
I love Obama. The symbol of Obama is up in my motherfucking house.
He's a black man.

Speaker 3 He became president. And he did more drone bombings than any other U.S.
president before him.

Speaker 3 He and Hillary Clinton disturbed a country called Libya in which you used to have a free house, free education, free, and now it's not free anymore.

Speaker 3 And there are people who look like me that aren't free. So as as much as I love my republic,

Speaker 2 it was a very repressive dictator.

Speaker 3 I hear what you're saying. We're living under one nail.
We ain't storming the fucking way, huh?

Speaker 2 You know what?

Speaker 3 There's ice walking down American neighborhoods.

Speaker 2 Okay, if you think that's the same as Libya.

Speaker 3 I didn't say the same. I said repressive.

Speaker 2 But let's have some perspective. All right.

Speaker 3 I'm a fly, man.

Speaker 3 I really like that.

Speaker 3 Exactly.

Speaker 3 It's very easy to reach.

Speaker 3 And when the emails came out, the emails said essentially we were doing it for the French. Like, how long do the French get to fucking live off Haiti, Libya, West Africa?

Speaker 3 How long before you got an ante up what's in the loop?

Speaker 2 The French are still living off Haiti?

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 Why can't they fix it then? Well, why can't Haitians fix it?

Speaker 3 But the French. If the French fixed it,

Speaker 3 there's no interest in coming

Speaker 3 to France, Fernanda. You be richer than Earth.
You date enough black women to know this shit. You know that.
Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 3 you gotta tell them at night.

Speaker 2 The French pulled out of Haiti like in 1806.

Speaker 3 No, what I'm saying, though, is Haiti has been punished since 1806. Frederick Douglass wrote about this, too, for being an example that you can without colonizers.

Speaker 3 And to end colonization is going to take some form of violence. I think anyone who threatens colonies or the colonists are crushed.

Speaker 3 So whether Qaddafi was ultimately in my eyes good or bad, I mean the people who are better than what they have now.

Speaker 2 The people who have been repressing the people in Haiti for a very long time are not French.

Speaker 3 Shit, me. They're other Haitians.

Speaker 3 You don't have to. They're Haitians that are put into

Speaker 3 the body. Let's not act like we don't put dictators into place.

Speaker 2 Okay,

Speaker 2 but they're not French.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I've got to say, we help them cut the power. They're not French.

Speaker 2 They're not Americans.

Speaker 3 They are Haitians. So the benefits.
They're Haitians. No benefits go to the French from Haiti anymore.

Speaker 2 Tell me what. I'm not aware of that.

Speaker 3 I'm just saying. Haiti still has to be.
Tell me. What's going on? As far as I know, Haiti is still sending money to France.
That's all.

Speaker 3 Sending money. It's falling apart.

Speaker 1 That's what I know. Okay.
And we need to do more to help countries like Haiti, especially.

Speaker 3 So what's to do more? I would say we need to reparate countries we've colonized.

Speaker 3 There's a payment to be made to help countries get. So we took Libya.
What have we done to help their country

Speaker 3 become democratic and get back in a better state? What have we done to help Haiti do it? Haiti is the reason we got Louisiana and West today. America really owes Haiti.

Speaker 3 We kicked the French's ass so bad, it was like, fuck this, we'll sell New Orleans. Y'all have the Saints.
Y'all have Donald Trump. I mean,

Speaker 2 we can stay mad at the past forever, but at some point, you got to move forward and make things better.

Speaker 3 I'm not saying I don't want to move forward. I'm just saying put something in my pocket for your socket.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah, let me have something for my move forward.

Speaker 3 That's how we do it for other nations.

Speaker 1 To get back to your original point, I mean, as a daughter of a veteran, I have to say this, and I love my veterans. I love the military.

Speaker 1 The military is the most trusted institution right now in American society. The media suck, church.
I mean, Congress is a popular. Yeah, the church.

Speaker 3 I mean, institutions?

Speaker 3 The church is different from our Lord, okay? Okay.

Speaker 1 But Congress.

Speaker 2 Your dog can pee on me tonight.

Speaker 3 You don't like that.

Speaker 2 As long as we're going after the church, I'm all down.

Speaker 3 Y'all freaky.

Speaker 3 Well, if you can't. White woman told my wife this morning, man, your dog has the cutest butt I've ever seen.
I said, you know them people freaky. Some wild shit going on, man.

Speaker 3 Ooh, I don't want my dog to get

Speaker 3 it.

Speaker 2 Let's go to the.

Speaker 1 She might find she like it.

Speaker 3 A new

Speaker 3 PP man.

Speaker 2 A new survey found that the number of 12th grade girls interested in getting married someday has dropped 22 points over the last 30 years.

Speaker 2 Why do you think that is? Have men become less appealing?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Marriage, period of marriage to men.

Speaker 2 Well, good point.

Speaker 2 It just says getting married. I think they are implying to men, but yes.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, we're no longer in the 1950s. Women can take their time in figuring out what they want and who they want and when they want.

Speaker 3 Hold on, Donna. Shana, Shana.
Hold on.

Speaker 3 Hold on, hold on, Donna.

Speaker 3 Come on, hold on.

Speaker 3 Tim, Tim,

Speaker 3 that's fine for y'all, but tell my wife it's time to go. I don't want her on the situation.
Yeah, I want my wife to still cook and rub my back at night.

Speaker 3 She does all the business in our house, too, though. She runs things.
Yeah, but I bet she could be president.

Speaker 1 But I bet you provide a lot of sustenance and support for your wife to get the things done.

Speaker 1 I know ain't no black woman gonna let your ass be a lift and you know what.

Speaker 3 I know, I know better.

Speaker 2 But I mean we are sort of at a point now where the

Speaker 2 men and women just, they just have nothing, they just don't want anything to do with each other in a lot of ways.

Speaker 3 It's crazy.

Speaker 2 Well, no, really, like you look at like who listens to what podcasts, it is very hard to get women to listen to my my podcast.

Speaker 2 It's like, you're a man, we're just not going to be a man.

Speaker 3 A lot of guys listen to male, though.

Speaker 2 Of course, that's what I mean. The men listen to the men, the women listen to men.

Speaker 3 No, no, male, the woman, who you interviewed. Oh, male.
Yeah, we listen to male.

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, that's a phenomenon, yes. But, I mean, in general, it is very hard to get women interested in anything men are saying these days.

Speaker 2 It's just that they just think that we're just a bunch of knuckle-draggers, and they have a lot of evidence for that. Damn.

Speaker 2 And men are in cells and they're not engaging women in the way women would like they need to be courted. They have not changed as much as we would like to think or some people would like to think.

Speaker 2 Women are still the women I remember as a youth. Okay? They still are.

Speaker 3 We're just not taking your shit.

Speaker 1 We don't want your shit. We're tired of it.

Speaker 3 We're exhausted.

Speaker 3 I mean, we're not exhausted.

Speaker 3 No, no, I'm not. Of course you're needed.
I mean,

Speaker 3 don't tell me, because you know, I can spell that out.

Speaker 1 Of course you're needed, but we're tired of taking your shit. We don't want to feel down all the time.

Speaker 1 You don't have to feel responsible for picking up your shit, taking care of your shit, and then dealing with your shit. Draining it.

Speaker 3 I'm tired of it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I would rather have nobody than someone who drains them.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 We want ourselves.

Speaker 3 But guys add a lot of shit, too. Guys are changing the tires.
Guys are raking the yard. Guys are doing what they're supposed to.
Like, guy shit may not come up on a daily basis.

Speaker 3 It may not be picking the kids up from school doing the laundry every day, right?

Speaker 3 But when the door gets kicked in at three in the morning, that motherfucker with the shotgun, it better be a guy, you know. I mean, like, so I'm just there, there is

Speaker 3 what I think is that we have some use, yeah, yeah, some use, you know what I mean. We pick up heavy shit, but some use, but I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 I can pick up heavy shit too, you know.

Speaker 1 No, I burn my own trash, I wreak my own damn room for real, yeah.

Speaker 3 Having a glass of wine, I'll be doing the damn thing.

Speaker 3 You said, you said, you said fucking playing shit. Listen, I'm gonna tell you the guy I admire.
I I want to. You know who I like to be?

Speaker 3 Stepman. Oh, damn.

Speaker 3 I'll see Stepman. Uncle Stepman be in Atlanta.
I'm going to open Atlanta. He just be chilling.
I want to be like Stepman. So, baby, my wife out there, I want you to do well.

Speaker 3 I want you to make lots of money, baby. I'll do the laundry.
I'll wash the dishes. Just take care of me like Stepman, baby.

Speaker 3 Ain't no callousness on me, man.

Speaker 3 I'm going to put the callous.

Speaker 2 Our final question for the season is a simple one. No controversy here.
Let's end on a harmonious note. For panel, what is your favorite dish on the Thanksgiving table?

Speaker 2 And we can't fight about that.

Speaker 3 All right, gumbo. I love gumbo.

Speaker 1 Sifu gumbo. I love stuffing.
I like to stuff melatons. I like dirty rice.
You ever had some dirty rice?

Speaker 3 I had some dirty rice.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. What's that?

Speaker 1 See, you need a black experience.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 2 maybe, maybe someday it'll happen.

Speaker 1 If you put some chicken gizzards after your Trinity, man, you're talking about bumping, you'll be sitting on that couch saying, honey, whatever you want later, you got it.

Speaker 3 And it's all healthy.

Speaker 2 And when you make this for me, you'll really put your foot in it?

Speaker 1 Baby, I'm putting everything in it.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 3 What's your favorite gift?

Speaker 3 My favorite is Shay's macaroni and cheese, my sister Lovey's stuffing, DOS BBQ smokes with incredible turkey.

Speaker 3 And the marijuana I usually get around Thanksgiving is much better.

Speaker 3 All right. Great enjoy our season.
Thank you guys.

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