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Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO Late Night Series, Real Time with Bill Moss.

Okay, welcome to Real Time on CNN.

We're here with Democratic Strategism, co-host of the Politics War Room, podcast, James Carville, and host of the Rubin Report on YouTube and Rumble, Dave Rubin.

Okay, here are the questions.

For Dave, what did you think of Elon Musk's trip to Israel?

Do you think he no longer harbors anti-Semitic and conspiratorial beliefs?

Oh, well, he never had anti-Semitic or conspiratorial beliefs in the first place, but Elon Musk is not an anti-Semite.

There are plenty of anti-Semites out there.

You called a whole bunch of them out during the show.

I mean, Elon Musk going to Israel was absolutely great.

I think too many people now don't believe anything they see, but they do believe Elon Musk.

So him going there and saying, I saw the 47 minutes of footage.

He's wearing dog tags of

one of the families

who lost their kids.

There's a lot of anti-Semites out there, but Elon Musk is not one of them.

That may be true.

I mean, look, he's a hard guy to follow all the time.

I've tried.

And this thing did test my patience with him because he may not be an anti-Semite, but when someone tweets what they tweeted and he tweets, you have spoken the actual truth, it looks really anti-Semitic.

So,

I mean, come on.

I mean, I don't know how in the weeds you want to get on the comment, but the comment was coming from the rest of the story.

We do.

The comment that he was responding to was about that there are left-wing thought of as Jewish organizations like the ADL that are aiming their fire the wrong way all the time.

So they're attacking him, right, as opposed to attacking the people that are actually.

No, I think Sema, it's like the left-wing.

All right, my understanding of it was that he was supporting the idea that what we heard when you went to the...

You're exactly right.

It was the greatest act of Jew-washing I've ever seen.

He said something like that.

Yeah, I've never heard that term.

Well, I mean, it's what you do when you speak.

Oh, I got it.

If I say anything, I mean, come on.

Look, I have no idea.

The last thing I want to do is pick a fight with a guy worth a trillion dollars.

But

that dude is weird, man.

I'm going to tell you, that's something I've business.

James, you famously said it's the economy stupid, but voters seem to be responding to positive economic news.

Voters don't seem to be responding to positive economic news in the polls.

How do you explain this?

Well, you know, you've got 60% of the Republicans that believe the Earth is 6,000 years old.

Oh, that's not a good answer.

I'm just saying, you say the polls, right?

We have 5.6% growth.

By any record, now if people don't feel it, And look, I think we should have made a change.

You and I agree on that.

And I don't know how much of it is, is that they can't see beyond the president.

I mean, a cost of living has hurt people, but you just can't look at this economy and go out and say this is a bad economy.

That's impossible.

But that's not really what you want to tell the voters.

But I'm not running for office, Bill.

I'm answering a question on a television show.

If I wasn't answering this question,

the reason why you're on a television show is because you're a known strategist.

So what we're asking for your strategy.

And your strategy seems to be to tell the voters, you don't know what you're talking about.

And I don't think that's a good way to get elected.

And I'm not a strategist.

I would not say that,

but you can't.

You just said it to me.

He's not running for office.

I know, but

here's what I think it is.

The things that, like, you can cite the statistics, and yes, inflation is going down, it's going in the right direction, but the things that people, the things people buy every day in this country, bullets, eggs,

Gas.

Gas is down.

Not here.

I'm just telling you the price of gas,

we produce more, we pump more oil than we ever have in history, anywhere.

We pump more oil in Saudi Arabia.

All right, just so you know that.

But if you ask people,

do you think that the Democrats and Biden is, you know, oh yeah, of course he is, 100%.

I can't, the fact that people believe something doesn't make it a fact.

Here's a fake story in the Wall Street Journal today.

The crime rate has dropped significantly.

Try to tell,

I argue with someone, but

the crime spot for 100,000, I think, was 738, and you're down to 362 or something like that.

You got to sit here and act like I'm a factual clutch

because somebody believes something that's not true.

I don't buy that.

Okay.

Well, then we'll move on.

Mike.

So

Mike Johnson, he's from your home state of Louisiana, the Speaker of the House.

I read today he wrote a forward in a book that ascribes to conspiracy theories and homophobic insults.

I thought, Mike Johnson wrote the forward to the Bible?

Do you think Mike Johnson can hold his party together now that he has taken the mantle?

Well, first of all, I don't think he can hold his party together.

Second of all, you're exactly right.

Mike Johnson and what he believes is one of the greatest threats we have today to the United States.

I'm about to promise you.

I know these people.

You're my Christian nationalism.

Absolutely.

This is a bigger threat than al-Qaeda to this country.

And let me tell you something.

They have Speaker of the House.

They got probably at least two Supreme Court justices, maybe more.

Don't kid yourself.

And people in the press have no idea who this guy is, how he was formed, what the threat is.

And this is a fundamental threat.

to the United States.

It is a fundamental.

They don't believe in a Constitution.

They'll tell you that.

Mike Johnson himself says, what is democracy but two wolves and a lamb having lunch?

That's what they really, really, really believe.

And to say, oh, come on, man, that's just some crazy shit.

No, no.

They believe that, and they're coming, and they've been doing it forever.

They're funded.

They're funded.

They're relentless.

And, you know, they probably won't win for a while, but they might.

And if they do,

the whole country blows the gas.

You just have to look at that painting.

I think it's a Kincaid painting that a lot of them like, where Jesus Jesus is handing the Constitution to Thomas Jefferson.

I mean,

if you can look at that and go, hmm, that's the way it probably happened.

I know it.

That wasn't a photo of the money.

Is the rise of anti-immigration Dutch politician Gert Wilders?

Ah, I remember interviewing him for Religilist way back in 2007, a warning to the liberals in America that they need to take our immigration crisis more seriously.

So if you don't follow the story, Gert Wilders, he'd been running forever in Holland.

You know, of course, the New York Times calls him a far-rightist.

They call all these people, Amin Maloney in Italy is another one.

Victor Orban is kind of a far-rightist in Hungary.

But not all, I think some of them are just

Brexit and England was part of this.

People are feeling they are not

welcome almost in their own home because of the kind of

immigration that

these people are fighting against.

Most of these people are not far-right by any way that we would think of far-right in that they like that they're racist.

I actually met with Orban in Budapest and I talked to him for a little while and all he kept saying was, you know, I love Hungary, that's all.

I love my people, I love my country, that's it.

I don't know what accent that was, but that basically

can you do is walk.

He kind of is a little bit of a waddle.

But all of these guys, Gert Wilders, he wants Holland to be for the Dutch, right?

Like, that's what he wants.

When we see, that's racist.

That's what they would tell you, right?

No, no, no.

Wait, you meant that literally?

No, no, no.

I'm just, no.

I don't know what we're talking about.

But

I was just going to say, Dutch for the Dutch.

I would amend that if it was me.

Dutch values.

No, Dutch values.

You don't have to be actually Dutch.

You don't have to be white.

That's what I think is great about America.

It's the idea.

As long as you subscribe to our ideas, which again, to your point and what I was saying at the end of the show, that we're not a Christian nation, that's not what is a country where we have the First Amendment, then everybody should be welcome.

No, of course, it's not about skin color, but it is about culture.

So what happens is

all of these people, whether they're in France or Belgium or any of the countries that you just mentioned, they're realizing, wow, we've got literally millions of people in our borders that are chanting for genocide and gas, the Jews, and the rest of it.

And by the way, it doesn't stop with the Jews, right?

I mean, they were at the Christmas tree in Times Square yesterday or two days ago.

So people are realizing that and they're looking for anybody and for some reason they always come with crazy hair that will that will fix some of this stuff.

So I kind of have trouble.

I think your question was the election in the Netherlands is that someone's harbingers.

Do you want a short, truthful answer?

Yes.

Yes.

It does.

Okay?

It does.

Because people,

but understand this, people like immigrants, okay?

What they don't like is disorder.

And when you become the disorder party, whatever it is, you pay a price.

Now, one of the reasons that we're having this problem, this is what 3.6% unemployment does for you.

You think we're the only people that know that?

Or do you think, and by the way, somebody, if you got a woman that lives in Honduras and she walks with a 10-year-old and a six-year-old to the Mexican border and wants to come in this country, come on in, lady.

You're a motivated person.

We need you.

Here we go.

all right okay you can't come now we have a border we have a border we have a country you you either have a country or you every every border had refugees every border has asylum yeah but you can't just let them walk

the issue is i'm for a six somebody walks a two kid 600 miles to come in this country i got a job for you lady come see me all right find me one roofer in florida that was born in the united states i got a job too i got a job and that means getting out on time thank you see you

Thank you, everybody.

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