Overtime – Episode #631: Ben Mckenzie, Rep. Katie Porter, and Piers Morgan

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Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO Late Night Series, Real Time with Bill Maher.

Hi, CNN.

It's me, Bill Maher here with my panel from today's show.

Actor, director, and author of the forthcoming book, Easy Money, Ben McKenzie, is over here.

Democratic Congresswoman from California, Katie Porter.

And host of Talk TV's Piers Morgan Uncensored Piers Morgan.

Here are the questions from people wanting to know what we think here on the panel.

What does the panel make of the two

Tennessee lawmakers who were expelled from the state legislature?

Oh, that was a big story this week.

We didn't get to it.

Yes,

they were protesting because there was a shooting there.

They wanted, you know, I think I agree with what they were saying, is we need better gun control laws.

But these are legislators, and they used a bullhorn inside the well of the

Senate of Tennessee, was it?

This is

state legislature.

Yeah.

And interrupted the proceedings, which of course, when that happened on January the 6th, in a much larger and more violent way, all the people currently cheering on the two Tennessee legislators were the ones who would have been condemning and castigating what happened on January 6th.

Well, you're not actually compelling.

No, no, no, I'm crazy.

No, no, here's what I'm comparing.

When you have a mob of protesters and they're going into a legislative chamber, whether it's at the Capitol or whether it's in Tennessee, the principle's the same.

And if you don't have the same principle response to both of those things, regardless of scale, then you're not principal responsible.

Now, listen, the principle is different.

They were Tennessee

legislators who went into the chamber and admittedly broke the rules of decorum.

Partly because they were being silenced when they wanted to talk, following the rules of decorum, about gun violence prevention what happened on january 6th was a bunch of batshit crazy fuckers with guns who killed police people

that is not the same but kitty kitty i i like bill i agree with what the legislators who were doing the protesting i agree with them about guns everyone knows i think in fact that's why I left CNN.

Nice to be back, by the way, on CNN.

I agree with them.

Thank you.

Thank you.

That's right.

It's been a while.

The last time I was on CNN, I was talking about guns.

Thank you, Bill.

That's a problem getting me fired all over again.

But I just think in the end, you've got to be consistent about the way you view.

But that is a terrible analogy.

Well, they're not the same thing.

But the principle of answering.

Then why bring it up?

It's a terrible analogy.

A mob of people going in to stop democratic proceedings.

But it's not.

It's not democracy whether you're on the right or left.

The principle is I don't think a mob of protesters can go into a legislative building

and stop the proceedings.

they were a mob the two guys were a mob no no all the other protests

no but here's the thing these guys are legislators what i would say to them is look i admire your passion i'm a liar that young people your age are in government i think that's good that you want to be in government and not just oblivious to it um

and the issue okay okay valid point but you're in the legislator now the legislature.

You don't need the bullhorn.

That's for when you're out on the street.

You have to modulate.

This is what this is what they do on college campuses.

We just stop you from talking if we disagree with a bullhorn or shouting.

They have to leave that behind.

Now you're inside.

You're in the building.

You got elected.

The way to affect change is write a law, do it that way.

But the bullhorn was

outside.

I think you have a point.

I think you have a point about they were in there, they had other opportunities, they can introduce a law.

I also do want to say that rules of decorum are often used to silence people who do not have voices.

And in this case, we're talking about two younger men, two black men, two people in the political minority in Tennessee.

And so we've seen rules of decorum be used over and over and over again in this country as an excuse to exclude people and to silence people.

So I think you're right, though, that

I can't believe I'm saying this.

Like, I so deeply, deeply agree with you about the January 6th and how wrong Pierce is to try to equivalently.

But I didn't know.

So, what you were doing was playing politics.

I talked purely about a principle of a mob of people going to stop democratic proceedings.

That shouldn't be happening whether it's on the left or the right.

Let's stop digging.

I just love that they've been re-elected immediately and raised all this money, and they're national heroes.

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What do you make of Prince Harry's plan to attend his father's coronation without

Megan Markle?

God, why do we give a

damn?

I didn't say it.

I didn't say it.

You're on CNN, both.

I know.

You swore on CNN, not me.

How about that?

What do you make of Prince Harry's?

Well, I don't know why we care so much.

You couldn't care.

America, I hate to say this, but America has sent two women into our royal family.

The first was Wallace Simpson, who led to an abdication.

And

the second is Meghan Markle.

You are two for two and it's not looking great.

So,

frankly, keep your women here.

That's hysterical.

So, what happens?

So, Prince Harry's going and she's not?

He's going and all his family basically want to kill him, and she's staying here because they feel the same way about her.

I mean, look, from my point of view, they're just a pair of little royal renegade grifters who want to have their royal cake and eat it.

They want to keep the titles, make hundreds of millions, trashing their family again and again and again and again.

And eventually the royal family's gone, you know what?

Shut up.

Right.

Let's go.

I basically agree with you.

I mean,

I would defend Harry only insofar as he went to Afghanistan.

Yeah.

You know, I mean, he could have got out of that, as certainly the people in this country do with that kind of standing.

And he didn't.

He went.

He did honorable service for his country and he was a beloved prince.

To give you some idea how far he's fallen, he is now less popular than Prince Andrew.

Right.

Exactly.

But her thing about

the royal family being racist, maybe they are.

Certainly the history is.

She never produced a shred of evidence to support that.

They were cold to me.

They're cold to everybody.

They were cold to Diana.

And who was whiter than Diana?

They're just cold people.

That's who they are.

That's totally.

If you're going to call the royal family racist, like she did on Oprah Winfrey, you've got to back it up with some evidence.

Not a shred of evidence has either of them ever produced for any racism from the royal family.

So put up or shut up and stop smearing our royal family.

Okay.

Ben, this is for you.

How much do you think the failure to regulate crypto is due to lawmakers not understanding it?

Well, we just said we don't understand it.

Yeah, exactly.

I mean, yeah, John Tuster once said that on Jerry's land.

No one knows what this is.

Sorry.

No, sorry.

Sorry.

We're on CNN.

Sorry.

Gee, whiz.

They're almost all swearing on CNN's.

I'm training you.

Yeah, I'm going to get them rinsing.

I do think it's part that

legislators didn't understand it.

But I went there over the summer.

I went to D.C.

with the journal Jacob, who wrote the book with me.

And we had meetings, some of which I talk about in the book, some of which I can't talk about.

And

the general attitude was, you're probably right, but I'm sorry, Sam Bankman Fried has given us too much money.

Sam Bankman-Fried gave

the Democrats $40 million.

His lieutenant gave the Republicans 23.

I believe the total is somewhere around $90 million

in this straw donor scheme that is alleged to have happened.

They bought them up both off.

And they bought them off not necessarily in the sense that they passed bad legislation, which they could have done.

There was a bill called Sam's Bill that was going through the Ag Committee potentially.

but they kept them from doing anything that was actually

would have stopped this Ponzi scheme from collapsing and ruining tens of thousands of people's lives.

If not, I mean, millions of people now don't have access to their accounts at FTX.

You've been very tough on the pitch men of celebrities.

The celebrities are the celebrities are not the core problem, of course.

They're just the megaphone necessary to spread the Ponzi scheme.

Do you think they shouldn't have done that?

Well, of course they shouldn't have done it.

I mean, they should, I mean,

you shouldn't sell unregistered unlicensed securities.

This is actually against the law.

And you also shouldn't hawk for the exchanges that are doing that.

But

this is what happens at the end, at the end of the Ponzi life cycle.

It gets as big as possible, and you need the biggest celebrities out there.

I won't name names.

Right.

But Lindsey Lohan, obviously.

Sorry, this is.

But other big celebrities to sell for you.

And that's what happened.

How much of this do you think, though, was an enforcement problem versus, I mean because you just said they are securities, you're selling unlicensed securities.

We have a securities and exchange commission.

Ponzi schemes have been illegal for about 100 years, give or take.

What's the explanation that you have for why the SEC didn't take action?

Well a couple reasons.

I think one of them is that it's regulators don't have much incentive to pop a bubble and potentially get blamed for it.

until it's popped.

Once it's popped, you come in, you clean it up, you go, wow, you shouldn't have done that.

But

the other thing is that we're the only country in the world that I'm aware of that separates its securities regulation from its commodities regulation.

We have a CFTC and an SEC.

It's created a gray area.

We need someone to oversee these agencies, in my opinion.

Someone to basically, because they're fighting over it and they're fighting over it, why?

In part, in terms of, in my opinion, the CFTC, in order to get the donations.

Sam Bankman-Fried met with the CFTC chair ten times.

Ten times Sam met with them.

Well, Monday is tax day, day, and I'm going to be investing in crypto because I'm just

kidding.

All right.

Thank you, CNN.

We'll see you next week.

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