Overtime - Episode #516: Andrew Yang, Kara Swisher, Joe Walsh, Jon Meacham

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Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO Late Night Series, Real Time with Bill Maher.

We're back.

And

here are the questions from people.

Kara, do you agree with Joe Biden that Mark Zuckerberg is a, quote, real problem?

I don't know quite what he meant by that.

I think there's issues around Mark and leading of Facebook.

You know, I think there's regular, I don't know if he's a real problem, but he's definitely making decisions that are problematic, including the political advertising, micro-targeting, and that others have spent more time being

thoughtful about.

You know, I kind of defended him on that.

He's saying we're not going to correct lies.

But, you know, it's such a slippery slope.

What is a lie and what is not?

I don't know.

Of course I know when Trump is lying, but other politicians have lied.

It's by degree.

It's a difference between paid advertising and free speech.

And I think they're talking paid speech and free speech are two different things.

Facebook's trying to conflate them together, and they're not the same as that.

That's a great point.

Right.

Cable networks have said that they'll actually take responsibility if a paid ad is verifiably false.

So if a cable network can do it, I don't see how Facebook with vastly greater levels of resources can't do it.

Andrew, do you have any thoughts on the

thoughts on the new Iowa caucus rules that could result in three different sets of winners?

I'm not up on that.

You'll have to.

Yes.

What does that mean?

Everybody gets a trophy?

Well, they were pushing towards a virtual caucus, and they pulled back on that.

And so this time they're including vote count, which is unusual.

So you might win a vote count, and then there's a delegate count.

They're counting vote count.

What would they do before?

But before, so it's a complicated system where you have to be viable in a particular area and then you get delegates assigned based upon proportions.

But then they're also including raw votes.

So it's, in theory, more transparent.

It's going to be a little bit confusing.

It could be messy.

It could be messy, but we're excited.

I'm flying right from here to Iowa.

I have a 17-day bus tour.

Your friend Norm McDonald is going to come

around with some Iowa.

He's one of the Yang Gang?

He is one of the Yang Gang.

Dave Chappelle.

Dave Chappelle.

Dave Chappelle.

Yes, the gang is getting bigger and bigger.

Vibrant all the time.

But the Iowa caucus, it's going to be a complicated process.

The senators can't campaign there because they're at the impeachment trial.

So you have less competition out there at the diner.

Yes, the bus traffic will be a little bit lighter.

Bus traffic in Iowa.

Joe, what do you think should happen to Devin Nunes now that we know about his association with Lev Parnas?

Oh my God.

You served with,

you must know Devin quite well.

He's a meathead.

I mean,

I'm serious, Joe.

Joe.

He was like,

I think he's in some trouble.

He's clearly.

Legal trouble?

I don't know, possibly.

But he and Parnas were like best friends communicating on this deal.

He was part of it.

He denied he even knew the guy.

He's in some trouble.

All right.

John, were you surprised to read that Trump called his generals nopes and babies?

Surprised about anything?

Yeah.

Or are the revelations in A Very Stable Genius just more of the crazy old Trump?

This is the book I referenced there in the...

Yeah, Phil Rucker and his colleagues.

Right.

I just ordered it.

I haven't read it yet.

But I've asked Andrew actually to see if he would mind having a lapel pen that says non-fiction hardback books as opposed to math.

I appreciate that.

If you win, would it be good?

Good for you.

I think that, yeah.

I think

what the book will tell us, I suspect, is what a lot of these other books have told us, which is they give us It's like the Wizard of Oz.

We know the black and white, and then they get to Oz and it's in color.

Right?

There are details details that fill it out.

But how do we know it's true?

I mean,

of course it's believable.

Anything about that.

Well, these are some amazing reporters.

Yeah,

so what?

But they weren't in the room.

It's always, they're probably getting it from Rex Tillerson.

He seems like the hero.

I feel like I've seen this movie with Bob Woodward.

Like, we read a book of his, and it's really because he had Colin Powell.

So I'm not saying Colin Powell is a guy, I love Colin Powell, but you're getting his story.

It seems like we're getting Rex Tillerson's story.

But when everybody around the guy says he's a moron.

Well, we know he's a moron.

I know, but even beyond that, I mean.

And they have more than one source.

These are not reporters that go with one source.

I don't publish that unless I have two people.

Two or three people.

Okay.

Well, it's again,

extremely believable that he would say that, but I think the bigger issue is that he has, I keep saying, he suffers.

Everything comes from the fact that he suffers from narcissistic personality disorder.

Only a narcissist who cannot project anything in the future, anything in the mental, would say to his top breasts, you're morons, I wouldn't go to war with you.

That's so self-destructive in so many ways.

Well, no, actually, it's entertaining.

He's doing this as entertainment.

One of the things that was in the book was amazing is that this is a show.

He said that to him.

Well, nobody was there.

There was no audience there.

How could that be a show?

The entire thing is a show for him.

But this was a private meeting with his breasts.

But he's playing it in his head.

This is a re- I mean,

I feel like I'm the only person.

I watched every Apprentice.

If you watch all the Apprentices, and I did, I swear to God.

Because you liked it.

I did.

It was your guilty pleasure show.

Like Temptation Island for me.

Okay.

Or the impeachment.

It's entertainment.

It's entertainment for him, and then he then does Twitter, and it's a call and response, and then he calls into Fox.

It's all like an actual action.

And

it's also just bullying, right?

And the one thing that did surprise me is he likes the way that generals look.

It's fascinating to me.

Central casting.

Yeah.

And so to turn on them, it must have been a particularly confusing.

He's done it so many times.

He's all airborne.

He's all.

Starting with, I mean, when the

whole thing I knew was going to go to shit when he, at the beginning of the campaign, said, McCain, not a war hero.

I like heroes who are not captured.

And they did not react.

They did not throw him out of that race.

He likes the rage.

It's lather, rinse, repeat, and really lather is.

But that was the real test.

Like, were the Republicans going to say, oh, my God, that is against everything we have ever stood for and and believe in.

And this is one of our heroes.

And I'm sorry, but you are just persona no grata in this party, and it didn't happen.

And I was like, oh, now he's going to.

What are they going to do?

What are you going to expect?

Well, he could have not have won the nomination after that.

That's how it always would have happened before.

Why?

If somebody had said John McCain is not a war hero.

They did.

Who?

It doesn't matter.

A Republican said that?

A lot of them did.

A lot of them, much more than you think so, and it just gets exhausted.

The whole thing is exhausted.

Who said that?

I'd love to know.

Maybe I don't.

Over and over again, people are shocked by this behavior, and they go, I can't believe he said that.

And at some point, I was like, believe it.

He says it all.

He does, but nobody else.

Right, just him.

Billy's a demagogue, and it worked because a lot of, as Andrew said, a lot of people wanted to believe in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, he was going to deliver, baby.

He was a demagogue, and people bought that.

You bought it.

You said.

And, Bill, you were going to get a musket.

And do you really have a money?

No, I mean, it was not that long ago.

You were going to get a musket.

What would I do if my fair and square lost the election?

He has a musket here.

He does.

No, he says he doesn't.

No, Bill,

Sean has

some muskets.

But what am I going to do with a musket?

He has a musket.

I go squirreling.

Bill's got a musket.

Sean's got a musket.

How's the campaign going?

Are you getting any traction from people?

Yes, we're polling at 14%

in Florida.

You've got 14% of

the second vote?

A poll came out yesterday where 14%.

That's pretty encouraging.

Let's leave on that now.

Thank you for a great show.

Thank you very much,

audience.

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