Overtime - Episode #516: Andrew Yang, Kara Swisher, Joe Walsh, Jon Meacham

Some people think nature is like this, but actually, it's like this.

That's why Columbia engineers everything we make for anything nature can throw at you. Columbia, engineered for whatever.

You know how to make a great meal.

And when it comes to the mess, Palmolive knows how to handle it.

Palmolive Ultra removes up to 2.5 times the grease versus Dawn Non-concentrated. Palmolive's most powerful formula instantly cuts grease, leaving you with sparkling clean dishes.
Palmala Vultra.

Click or tap the banner to shop now or visit palmolive.com.

Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO Late Night Series, Real Time with Bill Maher. We're back.

And

here are the questions from people. Kara, do you agree with Joe Biden that Mark Zuckerberg is a, quote, real problem?

I don't know quite what he meant by that. I think there's issues around Mark and leading of Facebook.

You know, and I think there's regular, I don't know if he's a real problem, but he's definitely making decisions that are problematic, including the political advertising, micro-targeting, and that others have spent more time

thoughtful about. You know, I kind of defended him on that.
He's saying we're not going to correct lies. But, you know, it's such a slippery slope.
What is a lie and what is not? I don't know.

Of course I know when Trump is lying, but other politicians have lied. It's by degree.

Between paid advertising and free speech. And I think they're talking, paid speech and free speech are two different things.

Facebook's trying to conflate them together. And they're not the same.
That's a great point.

Right, okay. Cable networks have said that they'll actually take responsibility if a paid ad is verifiably false.

So if a cable network can do it, I don't see how Facebook with vastly greater levels of resources can't do it. Andrew, do you have any thoughts on the

Do you have any thoughts on the new Iowa caucus rules that could result in three different sets of winners? I'm not up on that. You'll have to hit that.
Yes.

What does that mean? Everybody gets a trophy?

Well, they were pushing towards a virtual caucus, and they pulled back on that. And so this time they're including vote count, which is unusual.

So you might win a vote count, and then there's a delegate count, and then there's a. They're counting vote count.
What would they do before?

Before, so it's a complicated system where you have to be viable in a particular area and then you get delegates assigned based upon proportions, but then they're also including raw votes.

So it's in theory more transparent. It's going to be a little bit confusing.
It could be messy. It could be messy, but we're excited.
I'm flying right from here to Iowa. I have a 17-day bus tour.

Your friend Norm McDonald is going to come

around with some Iowan. He's one of the Yang gang? He is one of the Yang gang.
Dave Chappelle. Dave Chappelle.

Yes, the gang gang is getting bigger and bigger and more vibrant all the time. But the Iowa caucus, it's going to be a complicated place.

The senators can't campaign there because they're at the impeachment trial.

So you have less competition out there at the diner. Yes, the bus traffic will be a little bit lighter.

Joe, what do you think should happen to Devin Nunes now that we know about his association with Lev Parnas? Oh, my God. You served with,

you must know Devin quite well. He's a meathead.

I'm serious, Joe. Joe.

So he was like.

I think he's in some trouble.

He's

in legal trouble?

I don't know, possibly. But he and Parnas were like best friends communicating on this deal.
He was part of it. He denied he even knew the guy.
He's in some trouble. All right.

John, were you surprised to read that Trump called his generals nopes and babies? Surprised about anything? Yeah. Or are the revelations in A Very Stable Genius just more of the crazy old Trump?

This is the book I referenced there in the. Yeah, Phil Rucker and his colleagues.
Right.

I just ordered it. I haven't read it yet.
But I've asked Andrew actually to see if he would mind having a lapel pin that says non-fiction hardback books as opposed to math.

I appreciate that.

If you win, would it be a good idea? Good for your threat. I think that, yeah.

I think

what the book will tell us, I suspect, is what a lot of these other books have told us, which is they give us, it's like The Wizard of Oz.

We know the black and white, and then they get to Oz and it's in color.

Right? There are details that fill it out.

But how do we know it's true? I mean,

of course it's believable. Anything about...
Well, these are some amazing reporters. Yeah,

so what? But they weren't in the room. It's always, they're probably getting it from Rex Tillerson.
He seems like the hero. I feel like I've seen this movie with Bob Woodward.

Like we read a book of his, and it's really because he had Colin Powell. So I'm not saying Colin Powell is a guy, I love Colin Powell, but you're getting his story.

It seems like we're getting Rex Tillerson's. But when everybody around the guy says he's a moron.
Well, we know he's a moron. I know, but even beyond that, I mean.
And they have more than one source.

These are not reporters that go with one source. I don't publish that unless I have two people.
Two or three people. Right.
Okay.

Well, it's again,

extremely believable that he would say that, but I think the bigger issue is that he has, I keep saying, he suffers, everything comes from the fact that he suffers from narcissistic personality disorder.

Only a narcissist who cannot project anything in the future, anything in the self, would say to his top breasts, you're morons, I wouldn't go to war with you.

That's so self-destructive in so many ways. Well, actually, it's entertaining.
He's doing this as entertainment. One of the things that was in the book was amazing is that this is a show.

He said that to me. Well, nobody was there.
There was no audience there. How could that be?

The entire thing is a show for him.

But this was a private meeting with his breast.

But he's playing it in his head.

I mean,

I feel like I'm the only person around. I watched every Apprentice.
If you watch all the Apprentices, and I did, I swear to God. Because you liked it.
I did. It was your guilty pleasure show.

Like Temptation Island for me. Okay.

Or the impeachment. Or the impeachment.

It's entertainment. It's entertainment for him, and then he then does Twitter, and it's a call and response, and then he calls into Fox.

It's all an act. And

it's also just bullying, right? And the one thing that did surprise me is he likes the way that generals look.

It's fascinating to me. Central casting.
Yeah.

And so to turn on them,

it must have been a particularly confusing. He's done it so many times.
He's all there. He's all there.
Just starting with, I mean, when the

whole thing I knew was going to go to shit when he, at the beginning of the campaign, said, McCain, not a war hero.

I like heroes who are not captured.

captured and they did not react well and he did not throw him out of that race he likes the rage it's lather rinse repeat and really lather is but that was the real test like were the Republicans going to say oh my god that is against everything we have ever stood for and believe in and this is one of our heroes and I'm sorry but you are just persona no grata in this party and it didn't happen and I was like oh now he's going to what are they going to do what he

was carrying he could have not have won the nomination after that that's how it always would have happened before

If somebody had said John McCain is not a war hero, they did. Who? It doesn't matter.
A Republican said that? A lot of them did. A lot of them, much more than you think so, and it just gets exhausted.

The whole thing is

maybe I don't. Over and over again, people are shocked by this behavior, and they go, I can't believe he said that.
And at some point, I was like, believe it. He says it all.

He does, but nobody ever did. Right, just him.

Billy's a demagogue, and it worked because a lot of, as Andrew said, a lot of people wanted to believe in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, he was going to deliver, baby.

He was a demagogue, and people bought that. You bought it.
You said so. And, Bill, you were going to get a musket.
And do you really have a musket?

No, I mean, it was not that long ago. You were going to get a musket.
What would I do with a musket? Sharon Square lost the election. He has a musket here.
He does. No, he says he doesn't.

No, Bill, at home,

at home. I have some muskets.
But what am I going to do with a musket? He has a musket. I go squirrel.
John's got a musket. Sean's got a musket.
How's the campaign going?

Are you getting any traction from people? Yes, we're polling at 14%

in Florida. You've got 14% of the public

can vote? A poll came out yesterday.

That's pretty encouraging. Let's leave on that now.
Thank you.

Thank you very much, audience. Catch all new episodes of Real Time with Bill Maher every Friday night at 10, or watch him anytime on HBO On Demand.
For more information, log on to HBO.com.