Overtime - Episode #515: Jaime Harrison, Donna Brazile, Ian Bremmer, Frank Bruni

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All right, here we are, folks.

Ian, did anything good come out of Erdogan's visit to America?

Well, the fact that you actually had a bunch of Republican senators right behind Trump who were giving no sway on the Russian missile system he's bringing in, on the sanctions that they're going to keep.

I mean, Trump wants to pretend that he's his buddy.

What we've seen with all these dictators Trump wants to cozy up with, if the American system still works, it actually stops the president from doing what he wants to do.

Okay.

Will President Trump pardon Roger Stone?

Not before the election, would be my guess.

Well, he's going to be sentenced on February 6th.

I hope he roasts in hell.

Whoa.

That son of a bitch.

Whoa.

Hold my beer.

Work with WikiLeaks to destroy not just Democrats, but to destroy our democracy.

So I hope he's roasting hell.

And I wish I'm at the sentencing hearing because I'm going to wear the best-looking red dress I could and say,

go to hell.

Not that.

Anybody who sits down and try to work with a foreign government that is trying to destroy our country, destroy our candidate.

Yeah, they worked to destroy Hillary Clinton.

They worked to sow discard between Hillary and Bernie.

And yes, they took our emails, took our personal information, and then they turned against us and threatened our lies and harass us.

Go to fucking jail.

Go to jail?

Go to hell.

I've never been so proud of the jurors.

Hell yeah.

Thank God I wasn't in that damn jury.

You just woke me up.

Shit, how do you wake me up like this?

I can't stand that son of a bitch.

And Bill, I'm never hateful.

No, I have a lot of love.

I'm going to have to really work hard on forgiveness.

He never is a strong word.

Look, I have to work very hard to forgive him.

Jamie knows where I'm coming from.

They threatened us.

They went after us.

And he understood what was at stake.

And you saw what the testimony said, they were gleeful.

Oh, screw them.

Bunch of bastards.

They were gleeful.

Well, you know, he was best friends with Lee Atwood.

Wait, let her say something about Roger Stone.

Finish her thought.

No, I'm kidding.

Go ahead.

No, I mean, he was close to Lee Atwater, so, you know, birds of a feather.

Yeah, he took pride in being a dirty trickster.

I share her jubilation about Roger Stone's conviction, but it's way eclipsed by frustration, right?

So Paul Manafort has had his moment of reckoning.

Same for Michael Cohn.

Now, Roger Stone.

When does Donald Trump's moment of reckoning come?

I wouldn't count on it.

My frustration about that way eclipses my jubilation about justice being served.

Correct.

Well, and

not to always be the person who's looking for doom and gloom, but that's one reason why he can't leave.

Because his choice is either stay in power or go to jail.

So I risk or sell.

That's, I mean, this is what happens in third world countries in dictatorships.

You've got to stay in office.

Those are the only two choices.

It is exactly.

And it's tough to beat an incumbent when the economy is good.

And he's got tons of money.

I don't think people realize this.

He has raised so much money, way more than the Democrats.

Your point that he wouldn't leave certainly willingly if he loses.

But there's also the question of when he is acquitted, he's going to believe, rightfully, given the process, that he can continue to interfere.

Oh, he's going to run on it.

Right.

Well, nor is he going to actually ensure the security of the elections vis-a-vis external forces, like the Russians.

So, I mean, there are a lot of people out there that are going to think that this 2020 election is not legitimate, like emerging markets.

He's going to run on the

the Mueller report.

Didn't get me, this didn't get me.

You never got me down, Ray.

You never got me down.

That's what he's going to run on.

God, raging bulb.

God help us if he's re-elected because he acts like this in his first term.

He acts in the second term.

No, I know.

And he's

trying to break the country.

He's not confident at it, but he might get it right in 1800.

No, I, you know, believe me, I am shitting in my pants every day about that.

That because he's a vindictive person.

They make medicine for that.

Yeah, I know.

The Japanese.

And it's actually legal in this this state now.

Do you want to put some in my bowl?

You two.

I feel like the three of us should go away and let them have a table to this.

I've known Bill so long, baby.

I've been watching you.

I've been touching you.

I've been feeling you.

Bill is my brother from another mother.

Well, then we better not mess around.

Will Trump be able to give the Supreme Court, get the Supreme Court to protect his tax returns from being released?

Okay, that came out today.

He's taking it all the way to the Supreme Court.

His tax returns, New York says we want them.

I never thought this would be that hard.

I didn't think a guy could keep, even if he's president, could keep tax returns secret because the IRS has them.

Yes.

It's not like they're just in his safe.

Why have they not been leaked?

I don't know.

Why aren't they?

Why can't someone do a covert action and just steal them or something?

I mean,

they've got the pets on a microfisher.

You can put it in your underwear.

The Pentagon papers, they had to take out reams of actual paper.

God damn it.

Now you got me mad.

All right, we got to go.

We have a party to go to.

It's our last show.

I bought a hand for this panel.

They were terrific.

You were terrific.

Thank you very much.

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