Overtime - Episode #512: Zach Galifianakis, Chris Cuomo, Rep. Elissa Slotkin, Dan Carlin, Donny Deutsch,

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Speaker 4 Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO late night series, real time with Bill Moore.

Speaker 5 Okay,

Speaker 6 so here are the questions. Zach, are you encouraged by last month's ruling that North Carolina's legislative maps are unconstitutional?

Speaker 6 Yes, I know you spend a lot of time working on the gerrymandering issue.

Speaker 7 Yes,

Speaker 7 that sounds like a joke to the audience.

Speaker 5 It is true.

Speaker 7 It is true. Yes, I'm very, very happy.
You care. Well, North Carolina, listen, both sides have done it for many years, but I think in North Carolina,

Speaker 7 it was so

Speaker 7 crazy that people had to step in and say something.

Speaker 6 Well, just to give the stats, I think there were 13 legislative districts, nine were Republican, and the state was dead even.

Speaker 8 Yes. So I mean, that right there.

Speaker 7 It really is the summary of

Speaker 7 what is happening there. It's politicians picking the voters.
Yes. And that's all it is versus the midway right.

Speaker 6 Right. I mean, it's, you know, that's another reason why we have to worry is that the Democrats don't have to just win.
They have to win so big to overcome the cheating.

Speaker 9 The Democrats don't play dirty. They need to learn to play a little dirty.
I mean that this, when they go low, we go high. We go low, go to the side and give them a noogie when they're not looking.

Speaker 9 I mean, that's the answer.

Speaker 9 You don't come to a gunfight with a knife. If the other guy's got a gun, you got to bring a gun.
That's it. I mean, simple.

Speaker 9 But I think they're working on this, don't we?

Speaker 6 They're bringing a covered dish.

Speaker 10 I think with Trump looking so much like he's a combination of unhinged and not polite and all these kind of other things, I think the opposite is, in fact, don't go down to that level because you're selling yourself as the alternative.

Speaker 10 If you want to have a country where we don't treat each other that badly anymore, vote for me. If you want the country where we call each other scum, vote for the other guys.

Speaker 9 By the way, there's a way of playing dirty without using terms like human scum.

Speaker 5 When I say play dirty, play to win. Play to win.
Play hard.

Speaker 9 That's a really good thing.

Speaker 9 And they just don't.

Speaker 9 There's a wimpiness to the Democratic Party. And you said something.

Speaker 9 So truth. Donald Trump's essence of his brand is strength.
Whether you like him, whether you hate him, there is a strength there, and that's what people follow.

Speaker 9 And the Democrats, I have never seen a Democrat in this iteration, this group, that projects strength. And that's concerning.

Speaker 8 Okay.

Speaker 11 Depends how you define strength.

Speaker 5 I think it's a false strength that Trump...

Speaker 7 I think that's all false, that's strength.

Speaker 9 Oh, it's a

Speaker 9 cloud.

Speaker 5 Underneath it, he's a wimp.

Speaker 9 He's a coward. But he projects.

Speaker 7 Sorry, I didn't mean this one.

Speaker 5 I'm over it. Okay.

Speaker 11 I think that, look, I mean, you know, the whole, I'm very, now you know.

Speaker 11 I think that harshness is a false proxy for strength. That's what this president is.

Speaker 11 I think that you can be strong and sweet.

Speaker 11 Compassion is a kind of strength. And I think that...

Speaker 5 Strong and sweet. Yeah, I know.
Sweetness are different types of power.

Speaker 11 I mean, you know, one of the reasons I like having the Congresswoman on the show is incredible forensic background, incredible incisiveness, but not everything is about somebody else having to suck in her analysis.

Speaker 11 And I think that that's a big difference. And I think there's an angle for that.
You know, why does Mar, you know, why do your editorial comments in that last segment resonate so much?

Speaker 11 Because even though there's a rapier wit there, you know, there's an edge to it, it's not everybody else has to lose for you to win. And I think that that's what people are really hungry for.

Speaker 11 They're sick of everything being a nail and him being a hammer.

Speaker 12 And if you want to talk about how Democrats can win, it's having a positive, affirmative vision of the future instead of just harping on Donald Trump.

Speaker 5 You can harp.

Speaker 12 Obsessively, no, no, obsessively focusing on Donald Trump.

Speaker 9 No, you can't harp on Donald Trump because that was a losing proposition. What you can harp on is how Donald Trump is going to hurt and continue to hurt your life.

Speaker 5 And he never made that turn.

Speaker 12 But I think it's fair. A criticism I hear

Speaker 12 in my district is we don't know what Democrats always stand for.

Speaker 12 What's your hat? Like Donald Trump has his hat, make America great again. What's your hat?

Speaker 12 And I think it's important that we articulate that, especially talking about people's pocketbooks and their kids.

Speaker 12 Because for everyone who's on Twitter in the audience here, that is not where my district is. My district wants their government to run just basics, the basics.

Speaker 12 And until we can articulate how we're going to help people, we're just going to be clamoring. clamoring to get and compete with Donald Trump.

Speaker 10 But doesn't that get you in a question in a problem, though?

Speaker 10 Isn't clamoring to help people things like the Medicare for All and all these other things, which are examples of trying to help people's real problems, but they also give ammunition to the enemy or the other side who would say that's socialized medicine, or we have another socialist who wants to do Medicare for All and you can't afford it.

Speaker 10 But Medicare for All might be seen as a way to help more Americans.

Speaker 5 I'll tell you one thing, though.

Speaker 9 You tell 160 million Americans that they can't have their choose their private insurance, you're going to lose an election. And these people are smoking crap.

Speaker 9 Forget about

Speaker 9 not even

Speaker 9 being able to pay for it, $34 trillion.

Speaker 9 My grandfather was a cop, okay? And my mother was a school teacher, and they worked really hard to put me in a position where I can buy the kind of insurance I want.

Speaker 9 And if I can't, or the people on this panel, I can't buy it for my children, we are going backwards. We're fucking Denmark, okay?

Speaker 10 But remember, the problem wasn't that you couldn't buy insurance, it's that you could buy insurance and still end up broke when you needed it at the end.

Speaker 10 I mean, the insurance had too many loopholes, so you get the government in to help that, and then we end up, you know.

Speaker 12 And I have to say, no matter who's up on that debate stage, every single Democrat wants to protect health care and make it more affordable, whereas the Republicans want to take it away and make it more expensive, period.

Speaker 6 There you go, that almost fits on a hat.

Speaker 6 Yeah,

Speaker 6 well, that brings up an interesting point. I was going to ask you, as we ran out of time, I don't think the networks, including CNN, should be doing the debates.

Speaker 6 Because I think networks have to make a profit. And I think when you have to make a profit, you have to put on a show.
And a debate shouldn't be a show.

Speaker 6 It used to be the League of Women Voters who did it. you know, or have professors do it.

Speaker 10 Run it on all three stations at once, too, remember? Run it on all three networks at once.

Speaker 8 Right, the ones too.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 6 Except there's more than three networks now, Danny.

Speaker 8 You have to run it on all five networks. Yeah, totally.

Speaker 6 Stream it, and you know, it would be a little more difficult. But

Speaker 6 what do you think about that?

Speaker 11 I think that the party...

Speaker 9 Careful, Chris. Zucker's watching.

Speaker 11 I think that, well, I mean, you know, the boss has made good decisions about what to do to have CNN positioned right.

Speaker 11 But when you have the party in control of it, they have an extraordinary amount of leverage. How many people are going to be there, what kinds of questions?

Speaker 11 And if you you don't hit the targets that they're asking you to, you may not get another at-bat. And I think that's a lot of leverage.

Speaker 11 And I think that if you can decentralize it and have it be special interest groups that throw the debates, that dynamic goes out the window.

Speaker 6 Well, I would hardly call the League of Women Voters a special interest group.

Speaker 6 What is the interest group? Voting?

Speaker 5 Yeah. Well, that's

Speaker 5 daughters.

Speaker 11 I mean, I'm making your point. I'm saying that if you remove it from the parties

Speaker 11 and put it into

Speaker 11 these other non-specifically partisan groups, you decentralize the power.

Speaker 6 Okay, Dan Carlin, what do you think of polling that says 70% of Americans believe the U.S. is on the edge of a civil war?

Speaker 10 I don't love polling because I thought we got burned on a couple of elections following the poll, so I'm not sure if I can't.

Speaker 9 I say it's 60%.

Speaker 5 Okay, well,

Speaker 6 listen, I say it's only six out of ten Americans who think we're on the verge of a civil war.

Speaker 5 I think the problem is

Speaker 10 we are not a GPS. It's a bad thing.

Speaker 8 Not a good thing.

Speaker 10 It is a bad thing that we are on the verge of civil war.

Speaker 5 You want to see what's in the civil war.

Speaker 9 Trump loses, he will tell people to take to the streets. That's what I've been saying.

Speaker 9 I forget that he's not going. I've been one step further than that.
Right.

Speaker 5 He's going to say that. That's why he's not president.

Speaker 10 And by the way,

Speaker 6 an umpire, I think, is working the World Series. Did you see this story? He tweeted out.

Speaker 6 What it is, there's something like, if they try to impeach my president, I'm getting my MAGA hat and my AK and getting in the streets. And

Speaker 6 I can't really comment on baseball because I'm involved with it, but I don't think that's right.

Speaker 8 Especially from somebody who's supposed to be impartial, calling balls and strikes.

Speaker 9 But this reality show that's got a little shits and giggles in it, ain't gonna be any shits and giggles left if he loses.

Speaker 6 We're going to Guantanamo Bay together.

Speaker 6 You're friends with Kelly Ann Conway, I'm friends with Ann Coulter. We're going to need these people.

Speaker 5 All right.

Speaker 8 Thank you very much, everybody.

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