Ep. #713: Kenny Chesney, Rep. Jared Moskowitz, Bill O'Reilly

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Speaker 3 Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO Late Night Series, Real Time with Bill Maher. Start the clock.

Speaker 3 Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 3 All right.

Speaker 3 Thank you.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 2 I know, I know, I know, I know why a lot of people are happy today. The Democrats, we had an off-year election.
What's more exciting than an off-year election?

Speaker 2 And the Democrats kicked ass. They did.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And they needed a big victory at some point. I mean, the closest they've come recently to a victory is Bad Bunny getting the Super Bowl half-cut.

Speaker 2 So that this is.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 Californians may be excited about this. The real big winner was not on the ballot, Gavin Newsom, because Gavin Newsom, our governor governor here, he's the one who put Prop 50 on the ballot.

Speaker 2 This one is CP.

Speaker 2 This is the prop we had to get rid of the fair districting, district,

Speaker 2 because Trump got all the red states to do that. So Gavin said we got to fight fire with fire.
And if any state knows about fire,

Speaker 2 it would be this one.

Speaker 2 Of Of course, Trump heard about it. He was livid.
He said the Democrats are trying to unrig this election.

Speaker 2 And that will not stand.

Speaker 2 But hey, you know,

Speaker 2 California, we're always on the forefront of shit, right? We are.

Speaker 2 But we are losing one of the lions in the Congress. What lioness, Nancy Pelosi, announced she is not going to run again after this time.
And

Speaker 2 85, it's a touchy age.

Speaker 2 But it is.

Speaker 2 You're too old for the rigors of another campaign and you're too young for the Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 she took it gracefully. She said, now that New York is socialist, my work is done.

Speaker 2 I kid New York and socialism.

Speaker 2 Oh yes, New New York, when I was the big one, they got Mandani fever.

Speaker 2 Mandani, one hey, I got to give it to him. What a political achievement that was.
And of course, it was a three-way race.

Speaker 2 It helped that his opponents were Andrew Cuomo, who was dogged by accusations of sexual harassment,

Speaker 2 and Curtis Lewa, who was dogged by accusations of, we thought you were dead.

Speaker 2 Yes, I mean,

Speaker 2 remember, anybody remember Curtis Labor back in the day when he was always on the subway with the red beret? Oh, there he is, the red beret and the satin jacket.

Speaker 2 The Gen Z's were like, I don't know who the fuck this is, but the outfit is fire.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 speaking of, we didn't know you were dead, Dick Cheney died.

Speaker 2 How many people thought he was dead? Come on, I mean, you gotta.

Speaker 2 Anyway, the most powerful vice president ever, many people have said, and also a simple man who had a simple burial wish.

Speaker 2 He said he wanted to be put in the ground to live his dream of slowly turning into oil.

Speaker 2 So.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 you know who hated him? Trump. Trump hated Dick Cheney.
They asked the White House for a comment on him dying. You know what they said? We're aware.

Speaker 2 I swear to God, we're aware.

Speaker 2 But Trump and Cheney, they were very different kinds of Republicans. Cheney used to send troops to occupy other countries.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 who cares about all that shit?

Speaker 2 What people are are concerned about in this country is the shutdown of the government, the longest we've ever had, and it is affecting everybody now, not just the people who can't get their food stamps and acquire food.

Speaker 2 It's affecting everybody. They're going to start canceling flights.
Have you heard that?

Speaker 2 Of course, the good news on that is if the airports are closed for Thanksgiving, you won't have to see your family.

Speaker 2 That gets a big run on the floor. Dick Shady Dead, boo.
Guess who did not see my family?

Speaker 2 Of course.

Speaker 2 There is one Thanksgiving tradition that will continue. We found out next week, Donald Trump, the president, will do the traditional pardoning of the Thanksgiving turkey.

Speaker 2 A little different, this turkey has been convicted of money laundering. So, anyway, we got a great show.
Bill O'Reilly and Congressman Jared Moskowitz from Florida are here.

Speaker 2 But first up, he's a recent Country Music Hall of Fame inductee with over 37 million albums sold worldwide. His new book is called Heart, Life Music.
Kenny Chesney's over here.

Speaker 2 Hey,

Speaker 2 how are you?

Speaker 2 Great to meet you. Pleasure.

Speaker 2 Hey, guys, how are you? How are you doing? I'm great. I'm great.
Thanks for watching.

Speaker 2 Great. I'm so glad you wore the big hat.
Yeah, I brought you one.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 2 I'm from New Jersey.

Speaker 2 But, you know, we haven't had many country stars on this show. But I want you to know,

Speaker 2 that's not deliberate.

Speaker 2 Tell your people that my people

Speaker 2 mean no disrespect by that.

Speaker 2 We don't have many music. It's a political show, and I know you're not political, but we thought it was.
No, I mean, it doesn't mean I don't have my own opinions.

Speaker 2 Okay, but we're not going to press you on those. Okay, great.
Unless you want. No, like when I was a child,

Speaker 2 my grandfather was a Democrat, and he worked for TVA in Oak Ridge in East Tennessee.

Speaker 2 And I asked him,

Speaker 2 I said, are you a Democrat or a Republican? And he goes, I'm a Democrat, but I'm saving up to be a Republican.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 that's a good story. That's awesome.
I don't mean to say it.

Speaker 2 Well, but we said if we're going to have one country star, let's have the one who's the biggest because I heard Billboard said you were the top country star of the century.

Speaker 2 I don't know how they did their math, but I'm proud of it.

Speaker 2 I mean that kind of makes you like the chairman of the board. You're like the Sinatra of Country Music.
Oh wow.

Speaker 2 Does the other country stars treat you like that? Do they give you the difference as the?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean there's a level of respect there, it seems like. Yeah, I mean I've been doing I've been on the road since 1993.
I know.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 and it wasn't, trust me, it wasn't always this way. There was a lot of years where we we would go play a club and they would have the wrong name on the.

Speaker 2 There was a country singer when I first started named Mark Chestnut.

Speaker 2 Okay? And he was pretty good. And it was great, actually.

Speaker 2 But when I started, and I think the promoters did this on purpose, I would pull up in the bus and they would either have Kenny Chestnut or Mark Chesney. And it used to drive me crazy.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 so it took me a while to overcome that.

Speaker 2 Well, that's one part I really enjoyed in your book is that because I felt I related to it, the beginnings that we had, the shitty gigs, the shitty apartments, which makes it when you have something better later in life.

Speaker 2 Right. It's just so much better.
It's so much.

Speaker 2 Well, my first apartment, and I didn't care what it was because all I wanted to do was write songs. That's all I wanted to do and be creative.

Speaker 2 And that's what I feel like is my biggest gift, is the gift of creativity. But I had, you know, these

Speaker 2 folding

Speaker 2 dinner trays? That's what my TV was on in my apartment. And my

Speaker 2 coffee table was a cooler. And I had a second-hand couch and a second-hand bed, and that was the way it was for a while.
And all I was doing was writing songs.

Speaker 2 And I absolutely, that's probably the happiest I've ever been in my life right there,

Speaker 2 to be honest with you.

Speaker 2 My bookshelf was cinder blocks and boards that I found.

Speaker 2 You had your brain, though. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 My mattress I got off the street. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Croaches crawling on my face. Top that.

Speaker 2 Another thing we have in common, no kids. No, I don't have any kids.

Speaker 2 I know you don't. I mean, I figured you'd know.

Speaker 2 That I know of, you know,

Speaker 2 today we would know if we did. Yeah, probably.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 right?

Speaker 2 But I have been very driven. I've,

Speaker 2 I've, yeah, you know what? But here's the thing, though. I've never woken up and thought that I was missing something.
Me neither. I really haven't.
And I have all my friends, you know, that have,

Speaker 2 when I first started on the road, and some of them went with me, they had a family, they had kids, and I would go home to visit my mother for Christmas. And I would stop in to see them.

Speaker 2 And I don't know, I could just tell when I left that they were talking about me.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? No, I don't. Well, no, when's Kenny going to grow up? When's Kenny gonna

Speaker 2 become one of us? Right.

Speaker 2 So, but then the other part of me knows that

Speaker 2 my friends that I grew up with, they probably wanted to leave with me.

Speaker 2 They did. They told me they did.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, I have to tell you that

Speaker 2 country music is something I, because I'm from New Jersey, just wasn't on my radar earlier in my life.

Speaker 2 And now I've become quite a fan. And I want to get your opinion on this.
I think it's more because you guys changed than I changed.

Speaker 2 I mean, I think there's a, yeah. You're a guitarist.

Speaker 2 It's a relative term. But I'm.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 you write great music,

Speaker 2 that I enjoy. and I enjoy a lot of country artists now, because to me, it doesn't sound like country music.
If you switched out the voice, which is with what I would call the American accent,

Speaker 2 your accent, not mine. Yeah.

Speaker 2 A lot of these songs could be done by pop artists. And I feel like...
We kind of met halfway. And I think the country should take a lesson in that.
No question.

Speaker 2 Yes, I agree with that too. But

Speaker 2 I think

Speaker 2 when you grew up where I did, of course we had country music. I heard that at my mom's house and my grandmother's house.
But I also loved Van Halen. And I also loved Sammy Hagar.

Speaker 2 And I loved Tom Petty. And I loved all these great rock bands.

Speaker 2 I loved ACDC.

Speaker 2 So I'm a firm believer, especially now, because when you become an adult and you start making music for a living, The music that comes out of you is a direct reflection of the music that you soaked up as a child.

Speaker 2 And that's the best way I can explain my part in what you're talking about because

Speaker 2 I love it loud out there. I love a lot of guitars and

Speaker 2 that's just the way we do it.

Speaker 2 But I learned though, thank you. I learned when I started spending a lot of time in the Virgin Islands and I met a lot of people

Speaker 2 that grew up very differently, that had different religious beliefs, they had different political beliefs, and they just didn't look or talk like me.

Speaker 2 And so, but they became really great friends. And all of a sudden, I was, I was,

Speaker 2 had a circle of family down there that was very different. And I realized that, you know, I can make music for them too.

Speaker 2 And that's also why my life kind of changed because I wasn't just making what you were talking about.

Speaker 2 We did kind of meet in the middle.

Speaker 2 But before that, I didn't know that it was okay because I was just trying to fit a certain formula that was working. And when you're young, and you just want to get your songs on the radio, and

Speaker 2 I wasn't really,

Speaker 2 I didn't know who I wanted to be. I wasn't comfortable in my skin at all.
But as an artist, as a songwriter, but

Speaker 2 after that, it all changed. Yeah, I feel like there's a lot of people in this country who want to put people in boxes.

Speaker 2 A lot of identity politics. That's right.
And like, again, music as the example to me is like, it just doesn't work because we're all mixed together now. Especially now because you.

Speaker 2 Shabuzi is a country artist. Yeah, and God bless him.
Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 But now we can hear whatever we want.

Speaker 2 Like when I was a kid, and I don't know what kind of music you listened to growing up, but you heard what you heard, what was given to you as a child, either on the radio or your parents.

Speaker 2 Right, and none of it was country.

Speaker 2 New York radio did not play. It just did not exist in my world.
But my point is, today, we can listen to anybody we want whenever we want it on all the streaming services. It's much different now.

Speaker 2 No, and when I listen to it, I mean, every once in a while, first of all, I'm just blown away sometimes by how much it is like pop music and the kind of music I like.

Speaker 2 But then there's like there's things in it that, oh, you know, there's something about Jesus or, you know, familiarity with agriculture. Yeah.
Or, you know.

Speaker 2 I'm more of a beach guy. Or, no.
I'm more of a beach person, so. No, but you have some of that.
I mean,

Speaker 2 your attractor is sexy. Yeah.
Okay. I mean, come on.
I mean,

Speaker 2 that's right.

Speaker 2 That's a fair point. You know, I mean.

Speaker 2 I told Anderson Cooper one time interviewed me, and he goes, he did, he just looked at me, and he goes, she thinks my tractor's sexy?

Speaker 2 I went, mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 And I told him, I said, I was smart enough to record that song, but I was smart enough to not record another one.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I believed that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You could do it now. My private plane is sexy.
Yeah. You probably ignore it.

Speaker 2 We sell on practice for a time as you

Speaker 2 but you know

Speaker 2 but you know whenever one of these things comes on it does remind me that this is different music than I was listening to when something about you know drinking beer and killing fish while you're dr you know these are things that just

Speaker 2 my kind of thing and and when and and there is very often not just you but everybody in your field it there's Jesus references which I don't care. People think, oh bro, you're an atheist.

Speaker 2 It doesn't bother me. Yeah,

Speaker 2 I'm trying to think if I've had a Jesus reference. Oh yeah, the Lord.
Oh, this, sure.

Speaker 2 I promise you. Probably.
I mean, I'm sure over 30 years his name got dropped. Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 No, it's.

Speaker 2 So would you do like a rap duet?

Speaker 2 Would you like to? It would depend on the song. Right.
It would depend on the, maybe.

Speaker 2 I'm open to just about anything. I've heard rappers tell me that like country, there's lots of stuff that's very similar between the rap world and the country world.

Speaker 2 Well, I did a couple of, I made a lot of music with the

Speaker 2 Ashton family man Barrett, who was the bass player for the Whalers, and a lot of those guys that are still living with Bob. And

Speaker 2 I got to know those guys. And I actually were sitting on the North Shore of Jamaica one night after we, they shot a music video with me on the north shore of Jamaica.

Speaker 2 And I just sat there and I talked to a family man, and I was just talking to him about his life growing up in Jamaica and his early years with Bob Marley, and the similarities were unbelievable.

Speaker 2 And he goes, you know, reggae and country music tell it like it is, and they tell it uncut. And

Speaker 2 I agree with that. Yeah, and it's also very lyrically driven.
It is very lyrically driven. Top lyrics, I mean, some of them are great, and a lot of them are just shitty.

Speaker 2 They are.

Speaker 2 You can't be shitty lyrics in country or rap. You really can't.
Well, you can. They're there.
You can't, but you won't stop. Yeah, I mean, they're not married.

Speaker 2 Yours are pretty clever. Yours are.
Thank you, Kenny. It's a great thing to meet you.
How do you on future? Say hi to your people from my people.

Speaker 2 Okay. Kenny, Trusty.
Trust me our panel.

Speaker 2 Hey,

Speaker 2 Bill.

Speaker 2 Okay, he anchors the no-spin news show on YouTube and BillO'Reilly.com and is co-author of the best-selling book, I think it is 20th best-selling book, Confronting Evil, Assessing the Worst of the Worst.

Speaker 2 Bill O'Reilly's over here.

Speaker 2 Wow. Andorstein Riley head.

Speaker 2 And he is a Democratic congressman representing Florida's 23rd district. Jared Moskowitz.
Congressman, great to see you.

Speaker 2 All right, gentlemen.

Speaker 2 As I mentioned, we had off-year elections, so I'm just going to give you the headlines, I think, and then the takeaway, and you can argue with me or not.

Speaker 2 Headline, I think that it was not surprising the Democrats won. The margin, very surprising.
They really kicked ass, big numbers, and everywhere, not just in the two states where they were.

Speaker 2 My...

Speaker 2 Takeaway from this is if you were a Republican running on Tuesday, you had no chance because people wanted to send a message.

Speaker 2 And the message is: we just keep asking for normal and nobody ever gives it to us. Biden, they didn't think, was normal, he went too far left.
Now, Trump went too far the other way.

Speaker 2 And they were like, we didn't vote for this bullshit. We didn't vote for you being drunk with power.
We didn't vote for this nasty stuff. We didn't vote for the economy.

Speaker 2 going into the shitter, which it seems to be doing. So can we just have somebody who is normal? That to me was the message.

Speaker 2 What do you think?

Speaker 2 Now one of you talk.

Speaker 2 Are you not familiar with how we do this?

Speaker 2 I was enthralled. You wanted me to go?

Speaker 4 We were entranced.

Speaker 2 The reason that the Democrats won is because people were angry. They are angry, not just in the three states in New York City.

Speaker 2 They're angry because there were promises made by President Trump to lower food prices and gas prices. Gas prices are coming down, except in California, where they tax you $3 a gallon.

Speaker 2 But where I live, it's down about 20, 25 percent, probably going to get down a little bit more because there's

Speaker 2 a lot of supply of gasoline. But food is up.

Speaker 2 Place where I'm staying in LA, cheeseburger, $36.

Speaker 2 I can buy the cow for $36.

Speaker 2 $36.

Speaker 2 Cheeseburger.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 when you're working for a living

Speaker 2 and you have to pay these high prices in the grocery store, you're not happy. And excuses walk.
When you're not happy, the incumbency loses.

Speaker 2 every time, all the way back to John Adams.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Congressman, you want to get in on this?

Speaker 4 Well, look, I think the economy obviously was the driving issue. It's ironic, actually, because Democrats tried what Trump is now doing.
We told everybody for a year the economy was great.

Speaker 4 Bidenomics, things are wonderful. The stock market.
Right. Right.
We tried that. And people went to the store and got their bills and they saw that was bullshit.
Okay.

Speaker 4 Trump comes in, he runs on the economy, says he's going to fix it.

Speaker 4 Democrats said he was going to take a bulldozer to democracy. He actually took a bulldozer to the White House.
So

Speaker 2 that actually happened.

Speaker 4 But actually, Trump didn't fix the economy. Stock market's still high.
That's the only group, by the way, in consumer sentiment that

Speaker 4 people think things are going well. And he's telling people now, he's running our playbook, and he's saying the economy is great.
Things are wonderful. The tariffs are working.

Speaker 4 And people, like you said, Bill, they're going to the store. They're seeing their sandwiches, $30.
The bills are coming in, it's more expensive. Grocery prices, rent, power, all of it.

Speaker 4 And so it's ironic that he's doing the thing we tried that didn't work. Right? You can tell people things are great, but when they go to the store, they can see that's not the case.

Speaker 2 Okay, so let me ask you about the $36 cheeseburger.

Speaker 2 Did you order it? No. Are you kidding? I went to In-N-Out Burger.
Really? Yeah, it's great.

Speaker 2 Do you want me to take the con position to In-N-Out?

Speaker 4 No, no.

Speaker 2 No, but I mean, he's got 20 bestsellers, and what a cheap fuck.

Speaker 2 Come on.

Speaker 2 I would just eat the hamburger, but you know. Listen up.
What? It's not about the money.

Speaker 2 It's the principle of the thing.

Speaker 2 You know?

Speaker 2 Sure. If every American would rebel

Speaker 2 against this kind of gouging, not just in food, but everything else. Prices have to come down.
Well, that's what I just want to ask.

Speaker 2 Somebody has to explain the economy to me because this is going to be the big issue. Now we had

Speaker 2 somebody win in New York. And look, I don't want to, I've spoken against him.

Speaker 2 He was not my choice, man Mandami,

Speaker 2 Mem Doni, sorry.

Speaker 2 He's a socialist, a democratic socialist, makes no bones about that. In fact, when he came out, he said, I'm young, made a funny joke about that.
I'm Muslim and I'm socialist.

Speaker 2 All the things that Obama had to deny being.

Speaker 2 Abigail Spamberger, she's one of the ones who won yesterday, big in Virginia, okay? She said after the last election, we need to not ever use the word socialist or socialism ever again.

Speaker 2 So this is a pretty big split in the party. And I understand why people are angry about the economy, especially in New York.

Speaker 2 And yet, just had Kenny Chesney here, I don't know what his ticket prices are, but I know what typical ticket prices are that people are paying, and not just billionaires.

Speaker 2 Taylor Swift's average ticket price is over $4,000.

Speaker 2 But other ones, average ticket price is $5,000, $6,070,

Speaker 2 or baseball games, or basketball.

Speaker 2 Explain this economy. How some people are eating $36

Speaker 2 cheeseburgers. They don't do what you do.
Not me. Not you.

Speaker 2 We know that. You're You're pure.

Speaker 2 And other people are voting for socialism. And I understand why they're voting for socialism, because they can't even make ends meet, and they're worried about eating at all.

Speaker 2 How do we get the economy back to something that looks like what I remember as normal as a kid?

Speaker 2 Look, it's a supply and demand country. Now, ma'am, Donnie doesn't want that.
He's not a socialist, a communist. Okay? Ma'am, Donnie's greatest quote is, I agree with seizing the means of production.

Speaker 2 Okay? That's communism. That's not socialism.
Because in order to seize something, you have to use force. And that's what the communists do.

Speaker 2 So it's supply and demand. And I'm going on a jihad to please Mandani of telling people don't buy anything that you feel is exploitative.
You don't have to go to see Taylor Swift.

Speaker 2 You can pirate it on the social media. You can steal it.

Speaker 2 Let's do a little Abby Hoffman here. Let's liberate this.
But that's not answering my question. How can capitalism be working so well for so many people?

Speaker 2 Again, it's not just billionaires going to these concerts. It's millions and millions of people who seem to be living these kinds of lives.

Speaker 2 And other people it's not working for at all. When you're 30 years old and you still have roommates, yes, capitalism has failed you.

Speaker 2 And the question question to me is, how do we make socialism seem unattractive? Because you're right. It's not, socialism doesn't work.
What the young people,

Speaker 2 I understand where their feelings are. They refuse to crack a book and learn that we have tried it many, many times.
It never works. Would you agree with that?

Speaker 4 Well, yeah, and look, what's going on now has a lot to do with social media and being, you know, addicted to being online, which happened a lot during COVID when people were stuck in their houses and just stuck on their devices.

Speaker 4 That's where kids are getting their information. I have a nine and a 12-year-old, right? And it's TikTok, it's Instagram, that's where their information is coming from.

Speaker 2 And there are foreign powers working

Speaker 4 on these devices, in these platforms, trying to sell this stuff to our kids on all sorts of topics.

Speaker 4 But what I would say is, by the way, while you're talking about seizing the means of production, I mean, Trump did take a 10% stake into Intel.

Speaker 4 I'm not defending Mom Dani. I'm a capitalist.
I'm just saying you had the Secretary of Defense saying we should start taking percentages of our

Speaker 4 defense companies out there. But look, Trump got elected because people were angry in this country.
That part of the party was angry. And he got elected and he was their medicine.

Speaker 4 And they didn't care about all of the baggage he had because they were that pissed off. And I think that's what's happening with Mom Dani.

Speaker 4 Our wing of the party now is pissed. They're angry that Joe Biden ran for re-election.
They're angry that the debate went so poorly. They're angry that we didn't have a primary.

Speaker 4 And they're angry that the establishment doesn't seem to get it. And this is the message to us that Republicans were sending with Donald Trump to their own establishment.
And so

Speaker 4 Bernie Sanders has been a socialist for a long time. So socialism in our party is not new.
This is just a new face. He's charismatic.
You've talked a lot about that.

Speaker 2 But do you want to have to, I mean, they call themselves Democratic socialists.

Speaker 2 I think they should drop the democratic part, because that means that you have to answer for everything the socialists do.

Speaker 2 And he's plainly, maybe he is a communist, maybe he's, it's very far left, whatever it is. It's not what we've seen before.
And Republicans are trying to do that.

Speaker 4 They're trying to make me and others answer for everything he does.

Speaker 4 What's weird is, like, I don't remember Eric Adams being the head of the Democratic Party or Michael Bloomberg being the head of the Republican Party, but Republicans are trying to make him now the head of the party.

Speaker 2 Because those guys weren't as out of the mainstream of the Democratic Party as he is, but they're trying to make that the mainstream.

Speaker 2 The question you're going to get, and you should get it, and I'm going to give it to you. Let's go.

Speaker 2 Where do you eat hamburgers? No.

Speaker 2 In and out.

Speaker 2 Should this be the direction the party is going to? He's not the only Democratic socialist. There's about 100 in different offices and places where they've won in this country.

Speaker 2 I mean, here's a a Mandami quote from his speech. He said, we will prove that there is no problem too large for government to solve.
Yeah. Wait, wait till he ends up.

Speaker 2 I can tell Bill O'Reilly thinks that's ridiculous. It's so crazy.
Look, first of all,

Speaker 2 he won because he was running against Bella Lugosi, all right?

Speaker 2 I told Andrew Porbol, why did this campaign with a cape on and turn into a bat? The guy was as dour as possible. Man, that is a good campaigner.
I mean,

Speaker 2 the guy was smiling. You know, when he's going to come to your house and take your stuff, he's going to smile.
Thank you to the couch.

Speaker 2 Bring it on, Al. Well, I'm just going to, tonight,

Speaker 2 let's give him a week, okay?

Speaker 2 I've been critical. Let's give him a week.
Just say, just congratulations. On a political level, it was quite an achievement.
I'd like him to do this show.

Speaker 2 So many other Democrats, and I vote Democratic, and they still won't come on here. This guy

Speaker 2 seems to say he has balls. Let's see it.

Speaker 2 You can't deal with me,

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 look, look, I watch your program. And you were disenchanted, and correct me if I'm wrong, which I very rarely am, so you probably won't have to do that.

Speaker 2 You're disenchanted. with the far-left wing of the Democratic Party, okay, because you believe that it's poisoned the well for everybody else, like the congressman here.

Speaker 2 Because they never met anything that was counterintuitive that they didn't love. Right.
So they want to put trans people

Speaker 2 in here and they want to do this.

Speaker 2 And it just dilutes the message that the Democratic Party has traditionally had that we're for the workers. We want to improve the lives of the backbone of the country.

Speaker 2 Now you're into all this fringe garbage that Americans don't want. I think that's your posture.
I wouldn't put it that way, but go ahead. Okay.

Speaker 2 But you might want to rethink because that's a good way to put it.

Speaker 2 Well, I'm still on the air and you're not, but go ahead.

Speaker 2 I didn't expect you that.

Speaker 2 So we did a town hall on News Nation two weeks ago from Kennedy Center. 23 million people watched, 23 million.
Okay?

Speaker 2 You can add up all the HBOs you want. You're not going to come close.
Just want to correct the record.

Speaker 2 I'm a tape manager.

Speaker 2 I will check those factors. Yeah, you check it.

Speaker 2 Lidmore and I go out of PBS.

Speaker 2 No, no, it's not. It's all this.
No, no, no. It's okay.
I'll drink the water. This is going to be social.

Speaker 2 We're actually related.

Speaker 2 We're actually cousins, remember? We're distant cousins.

Speaker 2 Remember when I had the thing done by Skip Gates? He does that great show on PBS? On PBS, which I think is out of business because the government won't fund it anymore.

Speaker 4 I'm at a family gathering.

Speaker 2 I'm at a family gathering. You are a few.

Speaker 2 We like you. All right.

Speaker 2 But anyway,

Speaker 2 both parties, not just the Democratic Party, both parties have just gone completely away from why they were founded. Yes.

Speaker 2 Both. Yeah.

Speaker 2 There's no doubt about it.

Speaker 2 There's no doubt about it. So now you have to accept the reality of where we live.

Speaker 2 And if you're going to vote for a guy like ma'am Donnie, you're going to be severely disappointed because what's going to happen in New York City is that social order is going to collapse because the police hate him.

Speaker 2 All right. Well, let's see what happens for the moment.
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Speaker 2 Let me introduce this issue because I almost didn't want to talk about this person because he's so gross.

Speaker 2 But it's such a big issue this week, and we're going to talk about it after I do this bid.

Speaker 2 But this guy, Nick Fuentes, I don't know if you've ever heard of him. If you haven't, I mean, I have.

Speaker 2 I know we had dinner with Trump at one point, and Trump is, I don't know him, I have my picture taken with a lot of people you know

Speaker 2 but he's what I would call a racist racist he's just this troll he's the guy who runs on the field at a baseball game that

Speaker 2 you don't really want so you don't take the picture of him but we kind of have to talk about him does that mean we can beat him up i i would like to that's what happens when you run on the field with the baseball he's what they call a groiper i looked into this it's just like this group of people on 4chan you know the internet which makes everything worse and they are like pointlessly politically incorrect.

Speaker 2 They were doing it just to troll. They would say the worst sort of awful things or things you didn't even understand.
And it's working.

Speaker 2 He once said, having sex with a woman is gay, and having sex with a man is gay.

Speaker 2 Okay, I don't know where you go with that. And then they kind of started to believe it.
So we thought it would be a good week to do 24 things you need to know or you don't know

Speaker 2 about Nick Poetics.

Speaker 2 For example,

Speaker 2 I'm in a racist acapella group called Boys in the Hoods.

Speaker 2 My drag queen name is Jan Six.

Speaker 2 I once beat Elon Musk in a high-off. Well,

Speaker 2 I'm not gay, but a guy I'm fucking is.

Speaker 2 I once called ICE to report on the part of me that's Mexican.

Speaker 2 Kanye once asked me if I was off my meds.

Speaker 2 My followers are called gripers, but will also accept vaginal kryptonite.

Speaker 2 I will boycott the Super Bowl because of Bad Bunny, also because my parents' basement doesn't have a TV.

Speaker 2 My mom free-based Tylenol when she was pregnant with me.

Speaker 2 And I'm against interracial marriage, but I wouldn't say no to a weekend in Nuremberg with Candace Owens. All All right.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 this is a big issue in Republican politics this week.

Speaker 2 If you didn't see what happened, this guy, this asshole, gave an interview with Tucker Carlson, who Tucker Carlson used to be the guy in the bow tie. Tucker Carlson was like the

Speaker 2 old school kind of country club Republican, and then he became, I don't know what he, he's like the world's oldest groiper because

Speaker 2 he started having on

Speaker 2 Holocaust deniers.

Speaker 2 He started to be the, I'm just asking questions guy, questions like, who do you think was the good guys in World War II? You know, really stupid questions, but he's just asking questions.

Speaker 2 So now he had on this guy, this Fuentes guy, and never challenged him. Then the American Heritage Foundation got involved.

Speaker 2 They're the people behind, I think, the Project 2025, the Heritage Foundation, their very big Republican group.

Speaker 2 And the head of the Heritage Foundation came out and he attacked the people who were attacking Tucker Carlson for giving him the friendly interview.

Speaker 2 This guy, Kevin Roberts, head of the Heritage Foundation, he said,

Speaker 2 well, we shouldn't attack Tucker Carlson. When we disagree with a person's thoughts and opinions, we challenge those ideas in debate.
Accept Kevin Roberts, whoever the fuck you are.

Speaker 2 That's not what Tucker Carlson did. He didn't challenge him.
So now there's this war in the Republican Party.

Speaker 2 and I want to ask two questions about that, and then about which party seems to be having a bigger problem with anti-Semitism, because it seems like both parties now have an anti-Semitic wing.

Speaker 2 Is that a wrong assessment?

Speaker 4 No, that's a right assessment. I mean, it's like asking Jews, like, where would you rather go back to, Germany or Egypt? Like, both places are bad.

Speaker 2 You know, like,

Speaker 2 so.

Speaker 4 Look,

Speaker 4 as a Democrat who's been pro-Israel, right, I've had Republicans coming up to me for years saying, how could you stay, how could you stay?

Speaker 4 And I would say, well, if I leave, I accelerate the problem, but also this problem is coming your direction. And they would say, no, it's not.
You have no idea what you're talking about.

Speaker 4 And I would say, no, it's a virus and it's spreading.

Speaker 4 And the problem with Nick Fuentes is that, like, when I grew up and my grandmother would talk to me about Nazis, she was part of the Kindred Transport out of Germany. You would watch TV shows.

Speaker 4 Nazis were boring. They had no charisma.
They weren't entertaining. And Nick Fuentes is not that.
He actually has made it entertaining. He's selling it online.

Speaker 4 Okay, you watch Candace Owens and she'll say something like, you know, and this whataboutism that Tucker and Hoo do, like, I'm just looking at it and thinking about it.

Speaker 4 Like, oh yeah, Hitler killed, you know, six million Jews, but he was a wonderful painter. You know, and they're like, very creative, loved animals, you know, and they'll do this thing.

Speaker 4 And like, you know, Tucker will say, I'm just asking questions. I'm just asking questions.

Speaker 4 I thought Winston Churchill was one of the heroes of World War II, but Tucker had a whole episode on how he was the bad guy.

Speaker 4 And so they're rewriting history for these kids that follow this stuff online.

Speaker 2 But if I may, it does seem like the entire Republican establishment lined up against this. I'm not sure you could say that about the Democratic establishment.

Speaker 2 I mean, Ted Cruz, you know, who we've had on this show, and I certainly have had my differences, but I'm glad to talk to everybody on this show. He was very good on this.

Speaker 2 He said, the danger I want to highlight tonight is anti-Semitism. In the last six months, I've seen it on the rise in a way I've never seen it before on the right.

Speaker 2 Here's the interesting thing I thought he said. He said about a decade ago, anti-Semitism began rising on the left and the Democratic Party did nothing.

Speaker 2 And the decade that followed, it has consumed the Democratic Party. I'm not so sure he's not right about that.

Speaker 2 I'm not so sure the Democratic politicians are more afraid to challenge their left, who think Hamas is terrific, than the Republicans are. No, no, Ted Cruz is right.

Speaker 4 I agree 100% with Ted Cruz. Wow.
Okay, the difference is they have hindsight, right? They saw what happened to us, and our party has been consumed by it.

Speaker 4 Like people would say, look, you could be anti-Zionist without being anti-Semitic, and I would say theoretically you could. They're just not.

Speaker 4 When you're holding signs on college campuses saying go back to Poland, that doesn't sound like anything to do with Israel.

Speaker 4 When you see a Jewish student walking on campus, you don't know that he's a Netanyahu supporter, but they were surrounding him because because he had a Jewish star, right?

Speaker 4 And so this has consumed us, and it is dividing us in elections. It has run through the whole party.
We have tried to not talk about it. We've tried to tamp it down.
But it is everywhere.

Speaker 4 It is moving swiftly, okay? And now it's starting on the right. And so they're years behind us.
And yes, they're now trying to muscle their forces.

Speaker 4 But if you go online and you listen to, you know, Dave Smith or Theo Vaughan or Tucker or Rogan, it's all over them. And so it's happening to them too now.

Speaker 2 Well, they're behind you and they were also ahead of you.

Speaker 2 Anti-Semitism used to be

Speaker 2 the Ku Kux Klan and Henry Ford back in the day. Bill, thoughts on Jews?

Speaker 2 I don't want to make it awkward that I'm. No, but all my business people are Jewish, so I can

Speaker 2 do a great job.

Speaker 2 We have a personal connection, Perspective from O'Reilly, and I know you're looking forward to that more.

Speaker 2 You can tell it's

Speaker 2 number one, you've been doing this show for about 23 years, right? Yeah. Did you invite Fuentes on a program? No.
Why? That's a bridge too far for me. Okay.
That's a true. He's a troll.

Speaker 2 He's not sincere. It's just gross.

Speaker 2 Like I said, I didn't even want to talk about him tonight. He's the guy who runs on the field.
You have to talk about him. The camera doesn't show.

Speaker 2 Because he broke through, because you have to talk about him. So you didn't invite him on a program.
I don't live in that world. I didn't invite him on my program.

Speaker 2 You can get somebody like him at Speaker's Corner in London anytime you want. Right.
They're wandering around with wine. Okay, so why would you have him and waste all of these nice people's time? Why?

Speaker 2 Okay?

Speaker 2 Well, you say, well, everybody. The answer is because the Republican establishment never met something so far right that they won't, at least some of them, take it seriously.

Speaker 2 The Republican establishment couldn't care less about this guy. Well, they could this week.
No. That's what.
They don't care about him. They are embarrassed by him.
Yes.

Speaker 2 But they don't care about him and they don't embrace him and he doesn't mean anything to them. They just want to get him under the table.
So you wouldn't put him on, I wouldn't put him on.

Speaker 2 And that destroys the argument: well, everybody's entitled, you know, we just want to debate. And that's always the rationale.

Speaker 2 Okay, well, we just want to hear, you know, that's freedom of speech, that's the Constitution. That's bull.
You put people on, okay, who are responsible people.

Speaker 2 That's our job, all right, as anchors, moderators. If you're irresponsible,

Speaker 2 why would you put them on? That's insulting to the people who are watching. So that wipes out any fuentes, all right?

Speaker 2 Now, as far as anti-Semitism is concerned, I'm doing a big commentary on YouTube tomorrow, which millions of people will watch.

Speaker 2 I need something to plug. And I'm just like,

Speaker 4 should I talk about my reelection?

Speaker 2 And I'm going to tell you about anti-Semitism in America and all over the world. It's not that big a problem in America.
All right?

Speaker 2 I know, and I respect your dissent.

Speaker 2 But any kind of anti-Semitism or anti-black or anti-Hispanic or anti-gay blows up immediately on social media. But if you go and travel the country, people aren't going, I hate those Jews.

Speaker 2 They're not. Okay? This is a very very select crew.

Speaker 2 In the Democratic Party, it's the progressive left who hates Israel, thinks Israel's fascist, stole the land, Harry Truman is evil, forgiving Israel.

Speaker 2 He's fully bought into the narrative of oppressor and oppressed. And if you were on the wrong side of that, if you were white or Asian or a Jew, you are bad, you are oppressed.

Speaker 4 We let it happen. I mean, you saw it happening on TikTok.
You saw it happening online. And we let it happen.
And we let our kids just absorb this stuff without.

Speaker 4 I didn't.

Speaker 2 I don't know how old your kids are. Okay, no,

Speaker 2 they're 22 and 26, but that would not have been acceptable on any line. I got it, but I don't know.
Let me, because you asked a good question about the Republicans and the right, okay?

Speaker 2 The Republican Party is very pro-Israel. Trump is very, very

Speaker 2 protective

Speaker 2 of the Jewish people. All right? So the fringe crazy element, like the Fuentes, and you can throw 10 other names, all of whom live on social media.
All of them live there.

Speaker 2 They don't represent anything other than trying to get clicks and trying to make money off this hatred. That's what they represent.
No party, no ideology other than themselves.

Speaker 2 And they're vile, evil people. Okay, speaking of evil, great segue, Bill.
We only have a couple of minutes, but I want to plug your book. book.

Speaker 2 Your book,

Speaker 2 Confronting Evil.

Speaker 2 And, you know, you have all these people who you, I read it, all these people who you identify as evil, Caligula, Genghis Khan, Hitler, Putin, drug cartels.

Speaker 2 You know, we're not trying to gild a lily here. These are actual evil people.
Dick Cheney died this week. A lot of people said he was evil.
Would he make this book, is Dick Cheney evil?

Speaker 2 No, that's ridiculous. Not on the level of the evil of the book.

Speaker 2 Look, people.

Speaker 2 How would you explain Dick Cheney to the kids who are watching

Speaker 2 who weren't around when Dick Cheney was vice president? I don't know if there are any kids watching, but if you are, grow up straight. All right?

Speaker 2 Dick Cheney.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 4 That's how you know Bill is not online.

Speaker 2 That's how you do.

Speaker 2 Dick Cheney.

Speaker 2 Every human being does evil things. That's number one.

Speaker 2 But that doesn't make you evil. The people that I write about in confronting evil, their whole lives were dedicated to evil.
If you do evil things, you're not evil.

Speaker 2 If you do an evil thing, you're a sinner, and we're all sinners, and you're weak. Sinning is different than evil, I feel.
I feel like I've sinned, certainly.

Speaker 2 I can't think of anything I would categorize I couldn't be

Speaker 2 evil. I hate to say this, but you're not evil, Moore.
I know. I hate to say it.
I know, I'm not evil.

Speaker 2 Exactly. That's what I'm saying.
You're just dying.

Speaker 2 Because I haven't done evil things. No, but it's evil.
But I think if you have evil done evil things, I think you're evil.

Speaker 4 But it's so interesting how our politics has moved since Dick Cheney. Like, there are Democrats who would love George W.

Speaker 2 Bush to return

Speaker 4 with that administration based on what we have because things have moved so quickly. Dick Cheney's story is interesting.
They used to call him Darth Vader.

Speaker 4 That was his name. But if you know the story of Darth Vader in the sixth episode, he throws the emperor down the shaft to save his son.

Speaker 4 And Dick Cheney actually did that towards the end to protect his daughter from Trump.

Speaker 2 Yeah, right? I mean, he voted for the Democrat in the last election because he couldn't stand what Trump was doing in January 6th. And I have a whole list to hear.

Speaker 2 I know I'm time because the show's over. To read all these Republicans who denounced January 6th when it happened, and now they work for the president or have certainly forgotten it.

Speaker 2 So, Dick Cheney, maybe he got a little something back with the big man, Wink Wink. All right, time for new rules.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 2 Okay,

Speaker 2 Nuru, sushi chefs have to stop yelling, Irashimese, when I enter their restaurant.

Speaker 2 If I wanted to get yelled at at the moment I walk in the door, I'd get married.

Speaker 2 It may be normal in Japan, but in America we only scream in restaurants when ice is arresting the kitchen staff.

Speaker 2 New rules, stop hating on Sidney Sweeney for having great tits.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Yes, this was a power of women event, and tits are powerful.

Speaker 2 Or else you wouldn't be talking about them so much. And if you had hers, you'd show them too.

Speaker 2 Everybody uses what they have while they have it. So good for her for recognizing that, because we know she won't be wearing this dress in 20 years unless it's to the SAGA board.

Speaker 2 You're all don't expect an outpouring of grief over the death of Dwayne Roberts, the inventor of the frozen burrito. Dwayne wasn't always what he seemed.
He was warm on the outside, but

Speaker 2 on the inside, he could be very cold.

Speaker 2 Fortunately, his legacy will live on every time a divorced guy has custody of the kids for dinner.

Speaker 2 New rule, of all the ways Americans are lazy, let's all admit the worst has got to be not having the stamina to say, rest in peace without abbreviating it. R-I-P?

Speaker 2 This is my tombstone, not a text message.

Speaker 2 You know what?

Speaker 2 Fuck it. Don't knock yourself out writing out an R and an I and a P.
Just bury me and put this on my grave.

Speaker 2 Neural, now that Japanese researchers have developed a technique called enterial ventilation, where people with serious lung conditions can

Speaker 2 breathe through their rectum.

Speaker 2 They have to promise to tell me who these people are because the next time I'm on a plane and the oxygen masks drop

Speaker 2 I don't want to be next to the guy who sticks it up his ass okay

Speaker 2 and finally new rule the Supreme Court has to recognize that they have one last chance to not look like a bunch of partisan hacks who are no different than the other two branches of government This week, the court is hearing about a case that will definitively tell us if they really are still a separate branch of government or whether when the founders said, you are a check on executive power, they thought it meant a blank check because their recent past has been kind of shaky.

Speaker 2 For example, in May and June of this year on issues like withholding money Congress specifically authorized and suspending due process for non-citizens, federal district courts ruled against the current administration in 82 out of 87 cases.

Speaker 2 But at the Supreme Court, President Trump is on a 17-case winning streak, which is funny because during the Biden years, the court was all about reining in presidential power.

Speaker 2 Biden was constantly asking for leeway on issues like vaccine mandates, regulating carbon, canceling student debt, and the court was constantly telling him, sorry, Joe, we checked the rules and no, the president alone doesn't have that power.

Speaker 2 But when Trump's lawyers asked if he had absolute immunity, so absolute that he could even use SEAL Team 6 to assassinate political enemies, they said, who are we to judge? You do you.

Speaker 2 And the president has taken full advantage of that. You know, there's a reason, Mr.
President, so many people these days are saying you act like a king.

Speaker 2 It's why for Halloween this year, I went as you. See, I'm dressed as a king, but still got the long red tie.

Speaker 2 Trump once said, I have an Article II where I have the right to do whatever I want as president, but I don't even talk about that.

Speaker 2 Well, you just did talk about it.

Speaker 2 But more importantly, that's not what Article II says. And allowing any one branch of government to do whatever they want is pretty much the exact opposite of the basic meaning of the Constitution.

Speaker 2 The case that's before the court now is about tariffs, which are boring, but which are plainly a kind of tax, and taxes is plainly something the Constitution says only Congress can levy, as opposed to Trump's argument that he can set any tax on whoever at whatever level by the power of Truth Social, as the framers intend.

Speaker 2 Even if the reason is Canada hurt my feelings or this Brazilian dude is a big fan.

Speaker 2 Woke people once changed the meaning of the word violence to things I don't like.

Speaker 2 Trump's word for things I don't like is emergency. He's declared nine of them.
Nine emergencies. Officially, he's never not freaked the fuck out.

Speaker 2 And his emergency weapon of choice, his all-purpose cudgel for everything, is tariffs. And sometimes tariffs do work with good results, like ending wars and stopping fentanyl from coming in.

Speaker 2 So some people say, well, you can't argue with results. Yes, actually, you can if the price is too high.
And utterly ignoring the Constitution is a price too high.

Speaker 2 The Constitution. Is it still a real thing or is it just a vibe now?

Speaker 2 The Supreme Court has to decide, are you going to be democracy's last line of defense or is the Constitution now really, let's be honest, just like the Bible?

Speaker 2 Just a sacred old text that everyone's name drops with reverence, but no one actually reads or even feels bad about ignoring. I mean, that's what we do with the Bible, isn't it?

Speaker 2 We just ignore stuff while still pretending it's the greatest book ever. Even the devout don't take it literally.
The Bible plainly says: if you see your neighbor working on Sunday, kill him.

Speaker 2 But you rarely hear about a guy actually saying,

Speaker 2 Bob, I saw you last weekend answering emails out by the pool. I'm going to have to come over there later and kill you.

Speaker 2 And yet,

Speaker 2 and yet it's still the book we put our hand on in court, because how better to signal that you're sane and honest than to be clutching the thing that is undeniably, incontrovertibly pro-slavery.

Speaker 2 Both Testaments, the old dude in the sky and his hippie son,

Speaker 2 both have many commandments and pronouncements about slavery and none of them are, don't do it.

Speaker 2 Thing is, the Constitution is pro-slavery too. But the difference between science and faith is, with the Constitution, we could amend it and did.

Speaker 2 I could live with the Bible and its Bronze Age nonsense as long as we also had the greatest document from the age of enlightenment. But now I fear they're both like a hot dog.

Speaker 2 Something Americans love, but they don't know what's in it and they don't care.

Speaker 2 They're like iPhone user agreements written in parchment.

Speaker 2 Things to carry around but not to read. Conservatives love their little tiny pocket constitutions.
They all carry these. And you'd think, being so tiny, it would inspire them to open it.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 read me. Look, I'm so tiny.
How long could it take?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 if you say you love this thing, but you don't obey it, you've never read it, and you don't even care what's in it, it's not the law anymore. It's just another Bible.

Speaker 2 All right. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you, panel. That's our show.
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