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How many cold opens are we going to be doing?

Well, we're doing one right now.

We're doing one.

Oh, well, okay.

Well, let's start with the first one.

And I basically the big question is, listener, how you doing?

Oh, God.

How are you feeling out there, listener, huh?

Hey, just turn us up nice and loud.

Let us enter your ear hole because we're going to fill it full of.

Welcome to Smartless.

Yeah.

Smart,

list.

Smart.

Will are you ready?

Fuck.

Yeah, I've been ready for fucking 20 minutes, AWA.

I mean, Will had some really good stuff.

Sean's busy doing the Trader Joe's lobster bisque pasta.

He loves that trend.

He's all over TikTok doing the lobster bisque pasta trend.

Sean, do you do your own grocery shopping?

I don't.

Yeah.

sometimes I do.

Yeah.

Well, what was the pause for?

Did you go deeper on the pausing?

Yeah.

Well, because a lot of times, Scotty, thank you, Scotty.

Just made me some tea.

Look at that.

Yeah.

And can he take the rest of the afternoon off?

And by tea, do you mean chili?

Yeah, a cup of chili.

No, I do.

I go.

I go to the grocery store.

Scotty, do we go to the grocery store?

Help me.

Do we?

Yeah, sometimes we go.

Yeah, we go to the grocery store.

I'm sorry.

Can we just pause on that for for one second?

Can we pause on the Scotty?

Do we go to the grocery store sometimes?

We do sometimes.

Is there a blackout?

I only like to go when I know exactly what it is I need.

And then, like, years ago, it's so funny you said this because last night I was talking about this.

Years ago, I thought.

Here we go.

It's a great story.

He does seem like he's really fire.

He's filled the whole gas tank ready for this one.

Yeah, get into it.

Go ahead.

Go back to you.

Take us back to years ago.

Yeah.

I had this idea for this app, which was, oh, boy.

I was going to partner with all of these grocery stores.

And when you walk into the grocery store, your phone recognizes your location, and then it gives you a map of that grocery store.

And you put in what exactly you're looking for.

So you're not in there for an hour just looking for the one item.

Just fill a post.

So instead of looking at the signs above, you just look at your phone.

That's right.

And

somebody thought of it.

And

somebody's doing it.

You know what?

I did.

And they're bankrupt already.

I went to, I remember one time being in Germany and seeing these stores, they had these food stores where you go in, true story, and they'd have like set up in different areas of the store, you know, examples of prepared meals, like a beautiful, like a pasta or like a chicken or whatever.

And then all the way around that item, and they would switch them up every day, they'd have all the necessary ingredients that you need to buy from the store just to make that at home.

Pretty good.

You don't like that?

Yeah, you know, you know,

something, I would do that.

I would buy that.

You know what, you know, you know what else they do at supermarkets is they've got rows and rows and rows of

ingredients that you could buy to build but this is giving you this is this is kind of eliminating the like oh what do i need i need to go in eight

no no no all of a sudden i can't wait for this answer i can't wait for this answer

jason by the way standing in front of his huge glass house lobbing stones

let me tell you something i actually really enjoy the market and when i go it's expensive because i will i'll take three hours and i'll just go aisle to aisle down

and then down and then up and then this was 87 88

and talking very recently sometimes I need a follow cart you know because the front one gets too lettuce and romaine lettuce and

butter lettuce this was in the day where I'd get I'd get everything you know because I grew up in a house that was very very sort of quote healthy you know so there wasn't any garbage in the house and so once I moved out I bought all the garbage I mean the snacks the sodas, the cereals.

It's almost like when you get older and you're on your own, it's something feels good about not having to ask permission to get eaten whatever you want.

Let's be clear, Sean.

I grew out of it in about two years

and I've been taking care of my body ever since.

You're what, 62, 63 now?

And you're still buying fruit loops.

No,

I will have something like that on occasion.

I'm trying to, now I'm trying to find balance for the first time ever.

Are you still off sugar?

You were off sugar a couple weeks ago.

Not entirely, but I didn't realize my favorite ice cream had 100 grams of sugar in a pint.

Didn't realize that, huh?

What do you think?

You think ice cream is just

unicorn farts and cream?

Yeah, I didn't know they could manufacture unicorn farts.

Yeah, it's cream and sugar.

Full stop.

Yeah.

What kind of dad joke do I have for you?

This might have been.

I'd love to just to transition into our guest.

This isn't new.

This is wait.

Because I don't know if I may have said this before.

You created your own segment here.

I may have said this before.

So please forgive me if I told you this one already.

But I asked my brother to pass me the travel pamphlet this morning.

Yeah.

And he said, bro, sure.

Oh, I got a giggle.

I got a giggle.

Oh, JV really likes that one.

JV really likes that one.

That one makes me real happy.

It settles me.

It's good that it settles me because I'm really nervous about this next guest.

Oh, boy.

I mean, you know, this is.

Is that why you wore a nice shirt?

Yeah, exactly.

I don't think you've ever seen me in a button-up

on this show.

Really nice.

So today's guest, this is someone I've wanted to meet for a very long time.

She first hit my radar.

Oh, no, wait.

That's

my wife.

That's the last guest.

That's Amanda.

Hey, God, can you imagine how much shit you'd throw at me if

I came this unprepared?

And by the way, what a

light to your guest.

What a side swipe to your guest.

Oh, no, here we go.

Here we go.

Here we go.

Oh, that's it.

And what if it started the exact same thing?

I would have hung up.

I would have gone already.

If I were your guest, I would have walked.

We've got a real special treat today, Dash, I think.

Can't wait to meet her.

This is someone who I've been watching from afar.

Very, very curious about.

I already know.

Stalking.

Stalking.

She's a true chameleon.

She started acting at 15 15 and now barely, barely 30.

She's already won multiple Emmys, countless nominations, and seems positioned for a long and fruitful career.

How did this Hebrew-speaking beauty from the Bronx make it all the way out to Hollywood and into our hearts?

We're going to find out.

Guys, let's find out.

This is Miss Julia Garner.

Did I say that correctly?

Did I pronounce that right?

You threw me with.

I can't wait to meet her.

All right.

I'm real crafty like that.

Let's

we can unblock the camera now, my sweet love.

Yeah.

Oh, there you are.

Hi.

Hi, Julia.

Oh,

it's just like on the TV shows.

Oh, my God.

It's so nice to meet you, Jason.

You too.

I've heard you.

Wait, no southern accent?

No southern accent.

So that was just a put-on from the

so that our listener knows,

Julia starred in, was arguably the best part of Ozark for

the entire

snow for years and years.

And that's how

you and JB met, I presume, was on Ozark, the award-winning show brought to you by our very own JB and starring the wonderful Julia Garner.

Julia, welcome to Smart Love.

And Jason.

Jason, staring at you.

Brought to you by our friend Ted Sarandos.

That's exactly brought it right.

Oh, my God.

Huck her up.

Yeah.

Hello, Mima.

Love you, Teddy.

Teddy, you're the best.

Gross.

Love you.

Justin, go ahead.

You know what, though, Julia?

First of all, it's so nice to meet you.

It's so nice to meet you.

Jason was joking because I I know every interview I've ever given over the many, many years of Ozark was about that accent, but I was truly blown away.

I was, because I'd never seen you before, so because I'm an idiot.

And so

my first exposure to you was Ozark.

And then when I saw you on your first talk show, I was like, oh, wait, what?

Like, it was, it was so believable.

You were completely...

Do you love playing characters?

Do you like?

He's really blown away by the concept of it.

It's so

much another.

You pretend to be someone else.

Is it neat?

Yeah, I guess.

I mean,

he thought Ozark was a documentary.

Sorry.

Yeah.

Jason just brought a whole film crew.

Disturbed you and your brother.

Just did like Werner Herzog style, basically.

Yeah.

I don't think I ever asked you,

it would have been fun for me.

It would be fun one day to

play and do some big Southern accent.

Yeah.

Like, was it fun to do that?

Oh, hang on.

Keep going.

Who are you?

I'm going to sick.

Introduce us to this scare.

I hurt the truck.

Yeah.

Did you, was it fun to play, to use the accent all the time?

Did I use it like off-camera when we weren't working together?

No, no.

No, no, no.

When you were doing it, when you were playing the Ruth Langmore game.

Was it work or did you enjoy actually

doing that?

Because you have to be conscious of it.

It was both.

But I feel like

if you want anything to be good,

it takes a lot of work.

I'm writing this down as you're talking.

Yeah, but also it's like, also, if you want, you know, I'm always constantly like chasing that flow state.

So, and that takes a lot of work in a way

to kind of get there.

What is that?

That is, that is after.

It's like when you're acting.

Right.

So, well, I don't know.

Remember when you directed me?

Remember when when you directed me?

Yeah, yeah.

But the flow, but the flow happens.

Does the flow happen after?

I don't remember at all.

After massive preparation, one can reach a flow state because you've properly prepared?

Question?

Yes.

Yes.

So I like prepare, I prepare, prepare, and then

once I, you know, get to your set, I

just throw it all away.

Yeah.

You have to think about it.

Yeah.

I don't think about it.

He doesn't take you out of that flow state when you see his face.

It doesn't like go like that.

No, you know what?

I love working with Jason because he kind of,

I love working with Jason because he relaxes everybody.

Like he makes it fun.

Because sometimes when, you know, especially when I was like a new actor,

I would always get super tense and it felt like almost like life or death.

And then Jason would do something ridiculous to.

kind of ease it and i loved it and i think that's so important in my opinion you know i love it

you are the best you really are.

I say this to everybody, truly.

Julie, I love that.

Me too.

Never been directed by him.

Ted Sarandos is the best.

Ted Sarandos is also the best.

Yep.

Let me just say that.

Yeah.

No, no, no.

But Jay, why don't you, you never ever have, by the way, neither of you will.

You don't either never show any signs of anxiety while me and Julia are walking around with like we're nervous about showing up and doing a good job.

You should look at my bowel movements.

Would you?

God, can we have one episode where we don't talk about bowel movements?

This is

what are you talking about, Sean?

You're very, you're not.

No, I mean,

I get nervous, like you just said, Julia, about right before you start.

And is the character that I worked on any going to be any good?

And blah, blah, blah.

And then once you get, but I just don't feel that from you guys.

Well, you know, sort of in that in that vein, Julia, so you do, you're you're going to do Ozark.

You obviously you meet Mr.

Bateman as he makes you, I heard that he made you call him.

And so you're on, you're you go through the process process of getting that gig and you show up day one on set and you know that you're playing this southern character.

Were you nervous at all about taking that first swing, that first take of that first scene?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Or had you guys prepped enough and he knew?

No, I was so nervous because also,

first of all, I thought that I wasn't going to get Ozark

when I auditioned for it.

Well, his face just sagged.

No, it wasn't even.

I actually felt

the first audition,

look at his nose getting up, he's like,

I'm thrilled, turn his whole head up, smiling.

I can see a booger right there.

No, but it was kind of crazy because the first audition, I thought, you know, it was just like a tiny, tiny casting room in New York, paper-thin walls.

And I'm like hearing the other actors read read the lines.

And I'm like, oh my gosh,

there's their, yeah.

And they're, I'm like, wow, she killed it.

And they're like, that was amazing.

That was fantastic.

And then I had to go in next.

Yeah.

And I did it once.

And I remember calling my mother.

And I was like, I'm not, I don't think I'm, I'm just going to move on.

And then I want to say like 10 days later, there was a callback.

Um,

and Jason was in that callback.

And I remember the,

I remember he

slower.

He kept on.

No.

I'm trying.

No, I'm just.

You know what I remember?

I remember he was, he was very

good.

He gave amazing, like, really interesting direction, but also he was very sweet.

And then he started talking about like local TV at the end of the audition.

Local news.

You were saying, what are you going to do later?

I was like, I don't know.

Watch some TV.

And he's like, what are you going to watch?

Local news?

That was.

That's literally the first thing.

And then I was like, I was like, that guy's an oddball, but I like him.

And I was like, but also, how does he know that I kind of like love secretly local news?

Did I?

He saw me like immediately.

Did I, did I, did I say anything?

I didn't, we didn't, we didn't, I didn't say, hey, high five, you got the job in the room, did I?

No, no, and Chris was in the room, and I, I just remember feeling like unstilled unsure, but I do remember with the first it was like a mock scene it wasn't even in the script

but I do remember seeing did I read with you yeah you read with me I did and I remember the first like

the first scene that I saw I was like this this dialogue is either gonna work if this person talks really fast or really slow

there's like no there was no in between that was always very clear in the dialogue you went with the fast

Depending on her mood.

Yeah.

And then what about the accent?

Was that something that the, that Alexa Fogel sort of our casting director, did she give you a

sort of a

hint, a tip on that?

Like you should speak, or is that just something that you did on your own?

No, by the way, we love Alexa Fogel.

Shout out to Alexa Fogel.

Yes, like grateful.

She loves that, Will Arnett.

Many years.

I've known her.

Many years.

Yeah.

No, it was kind of one of those things that I just assumed because it was Missouri that there was going to be an accident.

Missoura.

And

that's also why.

That's also why I didn't feel like the first audition, nobody was doing that accent.

And then I couldn't remember my lines

with my regular speaking voice.

So I started freaking out.

That's why I didn't think I was going to get the job.

Oh, wow.

Wow.

Wow, wow.

Yeah.

Did you, you know, I will say it reminded me of, did you ever know people?

I knew a few actors over the years, especially like in the 90s,

being in New York and sometimes coming out here.

And you'd often, over the course of years, see like the same kind of people who are kind of your age up for the similar jobs.

And you'd see them over, and you'd get to know them from waiting rooms and stuff around town.

Yeah.

Oh, my gosh.

And that's how I had the miss.

It's like I had the misfortune of originally meeting Thoreau over the years was in waiting rooms, right?

There's always an actor in a waiting room.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But you know those actors who would come out.

I knew a couple and they thought they were being funny and they'd come out and they'd go like, well, I got it.

Like that was their bit

all the time was like, I got it.

Nobody else.

And like at a certain point, you're like, hey, man, just stay in your lane.

Yeah.

Stay away from me.

I keep it inside.

I want to work too.

Yeah.

And then cut to you walking out of the arrested development audition and everyone and all the executives following you out saying, all right, we got it.

We got our guy.

As you guys all walked past the remaining guys that were supposed to go in and audition for you.

Why did they do that?

Which, if you remember, JB, at the time I said to Mitch, I said, hey, let's keep it down.

It's part of the story because one of the people was out there in the room who didn't get it.

And I felt I knew what that feeling was.

Yeah.

Well, we can say who that is because he did just fine.

Rain Wilson went on to get the office a couple weeks later.

Yeah, he would have beat me at that gig.

So like he would, you know what I mean?

Be clear about that.

Anyway, so with that, that kind of like actor politics is always weird.

Well, it's funny, and I feel like that's slowly disappearing.

Like I feel like I was kind of

yeah, like I was, I feel like I was kind of the last, the very, very last of like there's so many actors that are working today that I've met in audition rooms when I was like 16, 17 years old.

And then like there would be like a hangout after, after like you're like, oh yeah, do you like want to hang out?

Yeah, like it was just like a little more, there was like this spontaneous a little more.

Now it's just,

but you're, you're also,

you were a great hangerouter on uh, on Ozark, right?

You, you guys, you always went out.

I don't even know what that's well, but because you always, I would always hear the next morning at work, like you guys would all talk about the night you guys had out.

You go out with all the other actors, and you guys would all have a lot of fun.

And I was also 22 when I started.

You had a real life down there.

Where were you, JB?

Granddad went home, put on the comfy socks and PJs, and watched Rachel Maddow and learned my lines and went to bed.

Yeah.

Oh, my.

Yeah, still doing the same thing today, Julia.

You haven't met me.

It's all going to be over.

No regrets.

What have you done?

Nothing.

I've got one tooth left in my mouth.

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We'll get off Ozark really, you know, I'm sure after this, I could talk about it forever.

I love the show.

No, shut up.

You have not seen it.

I love seeing every episode.

Was there anything?

Because it was like at times it was really physical.

And I remember Jason telling me that I was like, did you really do all that?

He's like, no, there was a stunt double where he gets punched in the face, thrown on the floor, kicked across the room.

Did you have anything like that?

And did you ever get hurt?

Yeah.

I mean, yeah.

Yeah, but I'm also like,

I'm my, you know,

yeah.

But I also don't sometimes carry myself like one.

So that's how I get hurt.

Oh, hey, okay.

Julia, how do you do that?

Yeah, so I'm like, oh, yeah, I'll be fine.

Have you learned how to drive since the show?

You didn't know how to drive?

This woman.

I mean, you ask her to just drive 10 feet, just hit the mark.

You just get in and drive 10 feet.

We're going to put sandbags in front of you.

And you're going to be the first person that I'm going to call.

I'm not getting in the car.

I will not get in the car to get you out of here.

I think I'll be a great girl under your belt.

Wait, Julia, do you drive now or you still don't drive?

No, because it's just, I've been.

Where do you live?

Los Angeles.

Yeah.

Okay, well, I don't, you honestly still don't drive.

No, and then, and then, whenever I'm, I'm in the process of learning how to drive, then I have to leave town for real.

Like, it's like always like that.

So, as soon as I want to, you know, work, I just, you know, learn how to try to learn how to drive.

And then, and then I'll

get around doing that.

You're Uber all the time, or does Mark drive your own?

Both.

Both.

Friends.

I can't.

You know what?

What the kids say today?

Yeah, what the kids say?

I'm like a passenger princess.

That's what the kids say today.

Totally.

By the way, even if I learned how to drive, I still love to be driven.

I'm not going to lie.

Like, I love it.

Call me if you ever need a ride.

I do like to drive.

All right.

Wait,

wait a minute.

Julie, wait, I want to stay on this driving thing just for just two seconds.

Okay.

Okay, Sean.

So, wait, you have your friends drive you or market?

I'm guessing Marketing, your boyfriend or husband?

Yes.

I gotta ask you seriously.

Your husband has a million questions.

And have you ever way-mode?

Is that the thing that that is the driving?

Self-driving.

That scares me.

I don't like that.

I've done that before with my friend because he also doesn't drive because he's from the UK.

And that scares me.

That's crash.

Yeah, Sean's a big advocate.

Well, no, I mean, I think it's where the future is going to.

I think ultimately like 20 years ago.

Is that where we're going?

Driver's cars.

Prognosticator.

Yeah.

Oh, do you think AI is going to have an impact?

Wait, what's AI?

What's going to be popular?

Computers?

What else, Sean?

What else?

I think food's really going to catch on.

Any more hot takes?

Fuck.

Julia, I've got a question for you.

Sean, quiet, please.

So you booked Martha Marcy Mae Marlene.

Okay.

Hold for applause.

At 16.

Was this the first time that you really felt acting was a viable career path, Julia?

Julia, please answer the question.

Please answer the question.

It was still like a test because I was so young.

I was 16 so that was like the first biggie right yeah that was the first job um and i didn't even really know because this was 2010 and so sundance was not what it is today it wasn't like it was still felt kind of indie in that way there was like i think like swag bag was like a thing for like two that it was like it was just new so it wasn't um commercialized in a way.

So I didn't really know what that

anything was.

So it felt more like a

test, I guess,

in a way.

But I just really loved it.

I just loved meeting people.

And that film kind of took off and you started to get some notoriety, and the phone started ringing just a little bit.

And like, was that kind of...

Notoriety, was it bad news?

What happened?

Did you do something bad?

Could you kind of see the future a little bit?

Did you have the courage to kind of dream a little bit there, or was it still a little distant?

Well, I've always been a big dreamer, but it felt, but I never thought that my life would end up like this.

Like, I never thought that this was,

I like, I always loved movies.

I, I grew up like watching Turner classic movies and I always loved, loved films, but there was still something that felt very far, even though I grew up in New York and I grew up around actors and going to the theater.

But there's something that felt very far because it wasn't, I didn't know it was like a real profession.

Like it didn't feel real.

Right.

So then, but so then even as sort of some momentum started to gain there, so you're 16, you're approaching the end of what would be the high school years and the possibility to maybe go to college and study another career.

So since you weren't really committed to, you weren't allowing yourself to feel super positive about a career in the business, were you keeping your other irons hot as far as other occupations, other industries?

No, because I was so bad at everything else.

And I seemed to be in the business.

You were all in.

You didn't even, you didn't even Yeah,

I know.

And I was like, oh, well, I'm getting a good response with this.

So I must be okay with it because I'm so bad at everything else.

You know what's funny about that is that

that answer comes up for a lot.

And it goes for the three of us, too.

Right.

And what I find, I'm sort of coming to the conclusion that.

Actors are just a bunch of people who are bad at everything else.

Yeah.

Right.

It's true.

Let's pretend.

Let's get a job where we can pretend to be good at stuff.

Yeah.

It's kind of true.

Yeah.

And I also, I didn't do, I don't, I don't do well when I feel like there's like, has to be rules in a way.

Like I don't, I, I, you know, I think there's a right way to do something and a wrong way.

Yeah.

Like I like running.

I like the feeling of like running around and kind of being free as corny as that sounds.

But right, right, right, right.

Sounds like you're advocating for anarchy.

Yeah, yeah.

She is.

She's a rule breaker.

Yeah,

I didn't know about that.

Tell me about you.

What is this David Chase thing that Wikipedia is talking about here?

Oh, so there's actually, speaking of, so that

I, that was my second movie.

This is Not Fade Away.

Not Fade Away.

And there, this is a crazy story.

So my first time going to LA, I was...

Was I, I just turned 17.

It was like a month after I turned 17.

And I only remember this because it was like in March, and all the purple, you know, trees.

I'd never seen anything like that.

Jackaranda's colour.

Yeah.

Jackaranda.

Yeah, and I remember being

alone at 17, or did you come out with mom?

No, I came out with mom

and

my acting coach.

Oh, yeah.

You know, and you stay at the Oakwoods?

Yeah.

You did?

Did you relate to near nearby, yeah?

And

we didn't know where anything was.

This was like GPS was new, so it was like like recalculating.

It was like all the time.

It was so crazy.

And sounds like mom was as gifted as you are behind the wheel.

Yeah.

Recalculating.

Yes, recalculating, exactly.

But it was one of those things that I had crazy like callbacks, auditions, like every single day while I was doing that one day of shoot for the David Chase project.

He

he basically like wrote that part for me because I auditioned for a different part.

Okay.

And I didn't get, um, I didn't get James Gattolfini's daughter.

So he wrote, he was like, I wrote a part for you.

And it was like in this dream sequence.

Yeah.

So that was my first time in LA.

And on the plane, I got the worst eye infection on my way there.

I had green pus coming out of my eye, like green goo.

It was terrible.

And I had all these auditions booked, all these callbacks.

Like sometimes these callbacks, I'm looking at it.

I'm like, where, where, where are these meetings now?

Like,

I'm like, these meetings were crazy.

And I had saying, you must have been just a nervous wreck that wouldn't show up.

And

so, this, so, this callback, this callback that I had,

so there was all these callbacks and auditions and meetings with this, like, and it wasn't, you know, contagious.

So, I went to a doctor and they're like, Yeah, you're fine, but it just looks, it's literally an eyesore.

Um,

and

I got this phone call.

Well, I had a chemistry read with Claire Danes, so I had to like go in with an eye infection with Clairedanes, and I had to like apologize, basically explain my eye,

which was horrific.

Don't look at this one, look at this one.

Yeah, so-called eye.

And then

that is great.

And then, in the middle of all these meetings, going back and forth, didn't know where I was going, never been to LA.

I got a call from my manager.

And

like a few weeks before I went out in New York, I went on this audition for an untitled Paul Thomas Anderson film.

And is there a phone ringing?

I can't.

No, you need a name of this.

I don't know what's going on.

I didn't see that one.

Yeah.

And

by the way, it would be a great title for a Paul Thomas Anderson.

Yeah, I knew.

Exactly.

No, so it was an untitled Paul Thomas Anderson film.

I was 16 and they called in.

They're like, he wants to meet with you.

So I had that.

And then it turned out to be for the masters.

Oh, wow.

I love that.

Yeah.

And,

but I had this eye infection.

Like, I had this crazy chemistry read.

And yeah, but that was my first time in L.A.

And then also who I met that week was Fred Roos.

I was 17 years old.

It was like one of, you know, from the producer of The Godfather.

But then by then, I met him.

It was like a Friday and my eye calmed down.

But during that time, I also did not fade away, just to give you, you know, I'm giving you the bullet.

What were you meeting with Fred Roos about?

Just a general meeting, I guess.

I don't know.

It was kind of.

Did he make you an offer you could have refused?

Hell, no.

He just, I met, I just met with him.

Okay, I just thought maybe

jump from that to.

Yeah, but that was my first time in LA.

Like, crazy.

Wow.

So, if, if you will, make the make make a big, huge leap now from, you know, your sort of nascent stage there.

And now you've just won your first Emmy of three consecutive Emmys, by the way.

Unbelievable.

What did that feel?

So you've just won an Emmy.

What a streak.

What a streak.

Unbeaten three years in a row.

What was, what, what, what was that like?

Personally and professionally, was there a big sea change or was it sort of a gradual thing?

Or, sorry, sorry, I'm recalling that.

Here's the question.

Did the next day after winning an Emmy feel like you thought it would when you allowed yourself to dream back very good?

Very good.

Well,

first of all, Jason, I just want to say like the,

it's, you know.

It was such a dream working with you this whole time or that whole time of the just the

and what I mean is like the process.

It really the next day,

it was not

depressing.

It was not depressing, but it it made you look at how important the process is and the experience rather than the result.

Yeah, that's right.

In a way,

and now what?

It's a token in a way.

It's like it's a great, it's an amazing token and it's like an opportunity for things.

But then after the opportunity, you're looking for a new new process in a way.

Because you kind of feel like you, there's nothing really changed.

It's just the next day.

Dwarf and Rush and all that stuff is all in the anticipation.

It's not in the getting of the thing.

And also your problems, like

you'll have 30 seconds up there and

it's great.

And then you right back to your level.

So get off the stage.

And then you're like, the next day, your problems are still, personally, your problems are still following you.

It doesn't change anything.

Exactly.

That's why I've never won an Emmy.

That's why.

You just keep

returning.

Yeah, no, I want to take myself out of the running.

It's not not going to change anything.

Yeah, I know.

You know, but it's funny.

I think what it resulted to was after that, I was,

it made me very

feel not confident in a complete different way in a sense because

what it does, well, you know, when you have a win after win after win after win, you kind of put this like pressure where you feel like you have this, people are having this expectation on you.

But, you know, during the strike, you know, I went to clown school because I didn't know what else to do with my time.

And I went to France.

But, and the thing that they, the teacher, Philippe Golier, who's amazing, he kept on saying, you know, the he's in the

beach.

Don't show this guy a thing or two about being a clown.

Oh, you're like France completely.

Sorry, this is a running job.

He's got a real loud mouth.

He's a handful in the back anyway.

And he's got got to be real touchy and sensitive about other things.

Exactly.

But he kept on saying

the failure is the friend of the clown, which I love.

Failure, friend of the clown.

Failure is the friend of the clown.

I like that.

And

you can't have great art if you don't have some sort of like, you know, humility in a way.

Yes.

Yes, please tell me what goes on in clown school.

Well, a lot of things.

Face painting.

But I mean, like, you hear that.

Are you guys kind of juggling a lot of different things?

Yeah.

Actually, I didn't, you know, I didn't, I did get a clown certificate.

So you are talking to a certified clown.

Was it an oversized shoe?

Was it an oversized shoe or just a red nose?

It was a red nose.

And he assigned me.

He took one look at me and he was like, you are the witch.

He assigned me to be a witch.

I don't know.

Maybe give him like witch energy.

The witch.

Yeah,

one cigarette.

Wait, but he was really nice.

But I mean, do you do the, do you do like, because I hear it, I'm an idiot, so I hear, I went to clown school and I do, I do everything that Jason and Will are joking about.

Like, I think about like, oh, well, you put the paint, is it that?

You paint your face and you put on no, no, it's it's old school, like European clowns.

Yeah, it's old school.

Yeah, and like kind of depressing.

Oh, really?

Yeah, it's like he puts you on stage and then you go behind a curtain and then they cue the music and you walk around like in a clown circle and then you just and then the music stops and you just have to do whatever whatever comes to your mind and make people laugh.

And if you don't make people laugh, he kicks you off the stage.

Oh my God.

Wow.

So you have to really kind of just completely almost humiliate yourself.

Just basically pull your pants down metaphorically.

Right.

And just be a fool.

Be a fool.

So I also, I just felt this.

The first, you know, two days, I was like, what the fuck am I doing?

Why did I do this?

Like, what is wrong with me?

I'm like, I'm not even in Paris.

Like, I'm in this town, which by the way, the town that I was staying in, I was like, why is this energy so crazy?

And there's like the biggest mental asylum in France in this town.

That's not a coincidence.

Slash

Glown's Glow.

But of course, like, but again, like, I,

of course, like, I also love like, that's just me.

Like, I signed me up for like the weirdest experience, and I'm like all up for that.

But

yeah, no, it was an amazing, it was a 10 out of 10 experience.

Genuinely, it was was amazing.

How about that?

Yeah.

That's awesome.

So did it, has it, has, has it adjusted your acting at all?

Sort of incorporating this

fearlessness of humiliation?

Although you were always brave about, you never worried about making yourself look foolish or ugly or flawed or something like that.

No, not ugly.

Well, no, and I think for me, it was more that

I just needed to, I have to constantly make myself feel uncomfortable.

And that's going to make me feel comfortable.

As an artist, like, if I feel any sort of comfortability, I don't, like, then something's deeply wrong.

Yeah.

And also, I don't like.

You totally get it.

You're comfortable beyond me.

Are you saying?

No, no, no, the being uncomfortable.

You walk around in cash.

You and one other person live in a 15,000 square foot house.

Like, shut the hell up, Sean.

Go ahead.

I'm uncomfortable.

She's talking about discomfort as a fucking artist.

Jesus.

I'm not talking.

Listen,

don't get me.

I love my sweaters.

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Julia, now

you're surrounded by musical musical instruments, and I've been wanting to ask since this: are these yours?

No, these are my husband's.

We're setting up a studio here.

She's married to a rock star, you stupid dick.

Okay,

study up.

You're supposed to google.

I didn't know was, I didn't know.

Is he a singer?

I don't know who he forgive me.

I just uh Mark Foster, Foster the People.

Oh, wonderful.

I didn't know that.

I felt that so bad.

This is a fantastic band.

That's great.

Wait, can I jump ahead?

I mean, I'll let Jay drive it in a second, but please.

Were you, I just remembered, were you supposed to play Madonna at some point?

Is that going to still happen?

Yeah, I mean, that's supposed to still happen, but

yeah.

What do you think?

I mean, how did that come about?

And like, what do you, were you ever a fan and all that?

Oh, my God.

I was such a fan of Madonna's.

You know, I grew up listening to Madonna.

It just came about like I knew that they were doing a project,

making a movie about it.

And then I went out to audition.

I want, I kind of, that was also another thing that I, I kind of just wanted to see

if I could do it.

Cause,

you know, I wasn't a trained dancer, and I had to like learn how to dance and then dance in front of her and convince her that I'm can

basically.

Yeah.

And sing and sing with her.

and and wow stressful yeah i mean it was was and so then how did how was that how did did did it go well did she give you a bunch of notes or was she just like oh my god you're amazing do this do that well you know i kind of just like thought like okay what would madonna do which is like

convince you that she deserved you know to be in this room right and you know

and i owned it and i was kind of like you can take it or leave it but if you leave it if i leave, then that's, you know, that's on you.

Right.

You know what I mean?

And it's like, if you take it, great.

You know, that kind of like mentality.

Yeah, I can just smell that sexy indifference.

And work the room.

Literally work the room.

So what happened with that?

What happened with that?

Still sort of brewing?

Still brewing?

It's a long gestating, you know, good meals take a long time.

But I also feel like anything that's great, also too, I notice if you hear story, like it, I feel like it takes a long time.

Or it's, you know, it's either way.

But meanwhile, meanwhile, you've snuck in a couple of fantastic jobs.

Fantastic for anyone on July 25th.

That's going to be huge.

Yeah.

I mean,

what was that process like?

I imagine it was a lot of effects.

You had to work with that pain in the ass, Pedro Pascal.

I don't know how you get through that.

How do you get through something like that?

He's real chatty.

Oh,

he, I love him.

You know, it's so funny because I met Pedro when I was 18.

Yeah.

And everybody now is on this Pedro craze, which I'm so happy.

Not us.

I've not

fans.

We're not fans.

But I, you know, I've met him and I always thought, you know, he was

just so talented.

And it was always a matter of time with him, I felt.

So, and so, but what about, so like green screens and, and, and, you know, special effects and all the, like that's all, that's a big spicy meatball, that thing.

You've got costumes and like future stuff.

Like, well, no, I didn't have any costumes because they, I was like, was just like,

yeah, so I was just like, Oh, wait, you're the silver surfer, yeah.

So, I was like,

Yeah, so it was

Scotty, Scotty's gonna slide in on a chair like weekend update.

Question: No, I used to love this when I was a kid.

I used to watch it all the time.

Like, yeah,

just like I'm chrome and silver,

right?

So, does then, does that mean you had to like wear like a green bodysuit with like little uh markers on it for video?

I had the helmet with the giant GoPro type camera and like like the wires.

Yeah.

And it was crazy.

And the first day on set, my first day on set was wild because,

well, I finished weapons like

no, weapons that let's not jump to the Josh Brown vehicle coming out August 8th.

Yeah, it's called Weapons.

Yeah, by the way.

So I filmed that like, I want to say like three weeks before.

So like, but my first day on Fantastic, I

Fantastic Four.

I'm kidding.

First steps.

Yes.

I,

Yes, that's fantastic for.

I, you know, had to do this, like, all these like lines in the middle of, it's supposed to be like Times Square, and it was 30 feet in the air.

JB, you did a bunch of lines in the middle of Times Square, right?

Like 94.

I sure did.

Yeah.

The New Year's celebration is all.

That's what it was.

That's what it was.

But it was crazy.

It was crazy because I was doing the, you know, it was my first day on set and I was doing a scene 30 feet in the air with an earpiece and a microphone,

you know, talking to 500 extras and number two was at Marvel from Marvel was like on set.

So I was like, that was my first day.

Yeah.

But,

but after that, I felt like, you know, I have no reason to be nervous, I think, if I can do a scene 33 in the air.

You have a robust promotion schedule coming up?

Are you going to travel the world for that?

Yeah.

So it's, I mean, I'm, you know, I feel like with that, they were so, the four,

the fantastic four, the, the, the cast, they were so nice.

And I kind of felt like a, a really nice dinner guest in a way.

So they like were really great hosts.

Yeah.

Um, so I'll like come in and out to their dinners, but I'm not going to, and I'll be like a good dinner guest, but I'm not going to be like the dinner guest yet.

You'll be number five over there.

Yeah, yeah, you're at the cities.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Exactly.

All right.

So then that, so then that comes out July 25th.

And you got weapons with Josh Brolin, August 8th.

Jeez, man.

What's weapons about?

First of all, Brolin.

I mean, yeah, Brolin.

Now, you think Pedro Pascal's a pain on the ass.

This guy, Brolin.

I know.

I just, I work with all the best men.

Jason,

Pedro, Josh.

Well, you know how to slay the dragons.

Yeah.

What is that one about?

It's so crazy.

It's kind of like a multi-story,

intertwined spider web, but it's like a horror magnolia kind of vibe.

Oh, really?

I don't even know how to explain it.

I'm going to explain it.

When all but one child from the same class mysteriously vanished on the same night at exactly the same time, a community is left questioning who or what is behind their disappearance.

Huh.

Well, there it is.

And I play a teacher.

I'm in.

I'm in.

Yes.

I like you and I like the Brolin fella.

I think he's going to go far.

Julie, what do you do for fun?

What do you do for fun?

Yeah.

You work, work, work, work, work.

What do you do when you don't work?

Yeah, what do you do when you don't work?

You sound like you a lot, which is great.

Bravo.

You know, it's great.

Great work, Epic.

Yeah.

But what do you do when you're just chilling?

You're not driving.

So we know that.

Yeah.

Are you...

What are the hobbies?

I'm going to sound so bad in this interview.

Oh, my God.

She just skateboards around L.A.

What do you do?

What's the hobby?

Yeah.

I'm trying to figure that out.

You have zero hobby right now.

But when you're down, like you're in LA, you're down, you've got downtime.

Well, the problem is that when I'm not working, I love watching movies, but then even then, it still feels like I'm reminded that it's still work.

Like, well, like,

what are you going to do the rest of today?

You're not going to set today.

Well, I have an ADR after

this today.

And then I am leaving on Thursday to Vancouver for five and a half months.

Oh, my God.

So then you're going to pack.

You'll pack tomorrow.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

So I'm always working.

That's great.

What about

what are you watching right now on television?

Aside from the movies?

Like, will you just put on an old movie wherever it is?

Yeah, well, and then, or I'll watch new stuff or I'll watch things that,

you know, that I know that I should watch that I haven't watched yet.

Like Below Deck Mediterranean?

Yeah, by the way, I never got into that.

I'm maybe one of the few.

But now I just, I'm going to finish watching the Paul Rubin dock.

It's really good.

Oh, yeah.

It's so so good.

It's good.

It's interesting.

It's so good.

Did you see the Osama bin Laden doc?

I started watching it and I wanted to binge watch it.

So I stopped, but it looks, it's amazing.

Yeah.

Now, what about,

talk to me about fashion and modeling.

I'm sure that's a passion for you.

But also, I mean, I kind of sorry, not for you, Will.

This is for our guest.

This is for our guest, Julia.

Yeah, yeah.

Is that that, that, is that kind of a hobby?

I mean,

you don't look at it as

you're not doing that to make a living because you make, you make plenty as an actor.

I'd imagine that it's kind of fun to be asked to do these things.

Well, I actually like, there was a very long time where I actually made better money doing that than my acting.

Yeah, a lot of that came from the back.

Wow.

So it's like a half, it's like a, I'm like, I'm, you know, I have two jabs, I guess.

I don't know.

But yeah.

And so do you love, you love all the dress up and the traveling and the.

I don't love the traveling, but I, as you know i do love i've always loved

fashion as a kid because i always found it like a form of expression right um in a way you've got a big billboard in new york what was it for that i've just seen recently there's uh

it was uh gucci

that was that was that was amazing because i got to shoot with stephen mizel again and he shot you know he shot my first uh cover when i was like 21.

wow um yeah so it was and i think it was like yeah a year year before it did Ozark, the first season of Ozark.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

So crazy.

So long ago.

Really fucking cool.

Yeah.

Very, very cool.

Sean, you ever done a cover?

Yeah, this year or no?

I mean, sorry.

Sorry, we need to be more specific.

Yeah, just give me the year.

I think you can do a cover.

Yeah.

I think you can do a cover.

Yeah.

GQ, whatever.

Well, Julia, when you get back in five and a half months,

maybe we can say hi.

I know, I know.

And I get like, I always, you know,

I miss working with you.

That's the thing that I want to do the most: just

work with you again.

Boy, she closed her, she closed her eyes when she said that.

You know what I mean?

It's a tell.

No, I did.

A little bit of a tell.

A little bit.

Tell us one thing that we don't know about Jason that you experienced on.

It was kind of fun, but also revealing and maybe embarrassing.

She can't think of it.

It's no, I can't.

Jason's probably the most, he paid me to say all of this, by the way.

No, I'm kidding.

no jason is the most like nurturing director i've ever worked with he's it's there's this like sense of safety that that's our time i think we have to yeah

you know what though if i ever had the chance to direct will or sean i'd be a fucking monster with them yeah what do you

already you already have shut up over there will you fucking direct and we got in an argument the first time you directed arrested development yeah because you were all yeah because he was all he came in all fucking pouty.

Because, who was it?

Um, who lost the election?

Carrie, Carrie, yeah,

yeah, John Kerry lost the election, and an old Canadian Will walks on to set all pouty about oh, hey, man, I was wearing yellow leotards, and I was in a fucking banana suit.

That's a true story.

I had to pick you up, Jason, and I, and he picked me up with a crane, and we got into it.

He dropped you in the bay, yeah.

And I'm in a fucking banana suit, and we're arguing outside.

He's like, just do the fucking seat.

I'm like, hey, fuck you.

Yeah.

Oh, I love that.

Was that the last time you, was that the last time you worked with him?

That was it.

As a director, Jason.

As a, as an actor and Jason directing?

He's pursued me so much.

Yeah,

it just never makes.

No, I can't.

Yeah, I can't remember.

Yeah, when could it be?

When we worked together as an actor, I get, was it the, uh, it was the Smartlist Doc, right?

But that wasn't really acting.

No, that wasn't that one.

That was the last time we did anything.

Yeah.

One of the minutes.

See you every goddamn day now doing this.

Always acting like I like you.

And then Sean.

Joey, this was so funny how this happened because I remember you were doing Ozark when you started this podcast.

Yeah.

And I remember you're like, yeah, you know, I'm just doing something silly.

It's like I'm just doing it with my friends.

We're just, you know, for shits and gigs.

Yeah.

And cut to.

It's a monster.

Thank you, listeners.

Yeah.

Nice people.

I get to meet my heroes like Julia Garner.

You're everything I hoped you would be, Julia.

They still don't meet your heroes.

And you were just such a delight.

Yeah.

I would love to meet you in person one day.

When you get back from your movie, please look me up.

I'll try.

I'll find you.

Yes, please do.

Yes.

Love you.

Love to your mother.

Love to Mark.

Have a great shoot.

And we're going to see Fantastic Four.

We're going to see.

July what?

July what?

July 8th.

July 25th.

July 25th, August 8th.

July 25th.

August 8th Weapons.

Yeah.

And then

look for the altruist.

Is that what you're about to go do?

Yes.

Yep.

That's going to be on on Netflix.

Sam Bakman Fried.

You're playing his wife,

Caroline Ellison.

Yeah.

Why do you go?

Very, very good.

That's exciting.

Impressive.

Impressive.

Congrats on everything, Julia.

Very thrilled for you.

Happy for you.

Love you.

Go kill it.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Hit me when you're back.

Yes, I will.

Thank you guys so much.

Bye, Julia.

Thank you.

Bye, Julia.

Oh, my God, Jason.

Right?

By the way,

you must genuinely feel a sense of pride having watched her grow from being a sort of a young actor, like a young son.

She's 22.

Yeah, she starts on the show, a show that you helped create and brought to life and directed and were the star of.

And then

she was not only amazing in it, but was recognized and had all the success and has now had a huge career.

And

in part by all the great work she did on a show that you were instrumental in.

You must feel a great sense of pride in that.

Yes, but just barely.

I take nothing away from her.

She was like incredible.

Yeah, no, but I mean, she, I remember very, very quickly, um,

uh, we made a sort of a decision to really make that character really drive a lot of story because she was so, so good.

And the audience was going crazy for her.

And yeah, it was really credit to Chris Mundy and the whole writing staff that kind of changed a lot of storylines to really,

utilize what a great talent she was.

Yeah, she's

a delightful person.

Like, I never met her before.

Yeah.

It's so, so sweet.

My God.

So sweet.

Exact opposite of the monster, you know, Ruth.

Although, you know, she did play the character with a lot of vulnerability, but like she was really capable of just being, you know,

you loved to hate her.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Love the character.

I mean,

but what a what a sweetheart.

I'm so glad she's doing really well.

And

happy, happy home life, happy work life.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

How about you?

Yeah.

I always find it interesting when a lot of actors I know are married to musicians, you know?

Like it's a good comedy.

You're married to one.

Yes, I am married to one.

He makes music.

And Will, you do some modeling.

I'm married to my work, yeah, as a model.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What's your, is your next, your next campaign for, Will?

My next campaign is for Laxative.

And

I've moved into a different category at this stage of my life.

Something for the seniors.

Yeah, which I think, because now we live in this world where, and so anyway, so it's like.

So those photo shoots got to be shorter than, no.

When the poster is just, I give a shit a lot.

And

it's going pretty, it's going pretty well.

It sounds like it's going smooth.

Yeah.

Hey, yeah.

I got new glasses.

Okay.

So you got the.

And so

working bifocal backwards.

Yeah.

that's right.

Oh, well, you ruined it.

No, no, no, go ahead.

No,

I don't think I ruined it.

I don't think you were ahead of anybody on that.

The second you said glasses.

But go fuck.

Tell us a story about your new status.

They really are new.

I just got them yesterday.

Are they?

Is it one prescription?

No, or two, because the bottoms are.

What are they?

No, it's not the bottoms are.

By having two, it makes them

bite.

Do you not get that?

The bi is so angry.

Because you just don't don't get it when it is bye.

Goodbye.

Bunny.

Goodbye.

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