"Jared Leto"

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Speaker 1 Welcome to Smartless.

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Speaker 3 Classic Listener We've got Arnett with I guess a shirt you're borrowing from Thoreau.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 There's no sleeves at all on it. And I guess Jimmy Coco just left too, huh? Because your color's really even.

Speaker 1 Let me just say this. Okay.
Nothing is more insulting to me, virtually nothing, than suggesting that it's a spray tan. Go F yourself.
I earned this.

Speaker 3 Well, you earned it by sitting out doing nothing

Speaker 3 under the sun with some sort of like a reflective board.

Speaker 1 What are you doing?

Speaker 1 Playing golf. Pulling the stool you're sitting on? I've just got some cords.

Speaker 3 Yeah, can you get your housekeeping shit together before we start the record? What are you doing?

Speaker 1 I've got some cord issues going on. I do too.

Speaker 1 It's messing with mine. Kind of wrapped around my chair.

Speaker 2 Mine's pretty much. You know,

Speaker 1 you know what I've been doing lately, and this is, this is a true story. We went to this big, I know this is going to air later, but we had a beautiful event last night.

Speaker 2 For Jimmy Buffett.

Speaker 1 For my friend Jimmy Buffett. And I was going to ask you.
It was just, it was awesome, and it was really beautiful. And some great speeches and stuff.

Speaker 1 And a lot of people I know, so that part of it was amazing. And it's just, did you tell me? Honestly,

Speaker 1 I did not. I did a thing at the tribute at the Hollywood Bowl, but

Speaker 1 last time I did,

Speaker 1 I saw one of the great speeches last night

Speaker 1 that Downey.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 No, Danny wasn't there. One of the great speeches I've ever seen as a sort of, that was set up as a non-roast and ended up being a roast.
And it really blew me away. It was so hilarious.
I love that.

Speaker 1 Wait, roasted Jimmy after he's passed. Yeah, but as a tribute to him, an old friend of his, a guy who's been friends with him for sort of 50 60 years and it was just it was so good

Speaker 1 And our friend Tom Freston who's a friend of the podcast made a great speech You haven't had him on yet.

Speaker 1 No, I'm going to he's the most interesting man on the planet can't make his deal Can't well, we're looking to because he wants a piece and he's just like boo and he said send me over the numbers.

Speaker 1 I want to look and see

Speaker 1 wait Tom Freston I met Tom Freston to run MTV Tom Freston yeah he's Starling I totally know him he's awesome

Speaker 1 dude his stories are, he's just the best. Well, we'll see.

Speaker 1 I think he's writing a book right now, which will be.

Speaker 1 Anyway, yeah, it was just, it was so, so, so, so good.

Speaker 1 But the reason I brought it up was this, at this thing midsummer, and so many people, and now this many people come up to me, they go, either, wow, you're

Speaker 1 really tan or why are you so tan, right? And people can't help themselves with a personal remark. You know what I do? You know what I say? Yeah.
And I go, and I go, they'll go, wow, you're so tan.

Speaker 1 And I'll go, thank you so much. Right.

Speaker 1 And I just take it as a compliment. Well, it is a compliment.

Speaker 3 You hold color like

Speaker 3 you're from Brazil.

Speaker 1 I don't understand it. You're out of Toronto.
You know, like, why do you stop? But both you guys, but both you guys have a walking bounce card.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we would just burn immediately.

Speaker 1 But we, JB, you hold quite a bit of color, too. Let's be honest.
When you play golf, you're pretty tan. You go.
But I don't say to you every day, man, you're so tan. When we got

Speaker 3 mine's, but sorry, Sean, hold it.

Speaker 1 God,

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 3 We're talking about our color and our golf game.

Speaker 1 You'll wait.

Speaker 3 My color is got a hard V right under the chin, right? From the hot shirts I wear.

Speaker 3 And then the little, you know, where the short sleeve ends, whatever that is,

Speaker 3 there's that tan line.

Speaker 3 And then there's the forehead tan line because I'm wearing a sporty visor.

Speaker 3 Yours is like you're outside mowing the lawn with nothing on but like flip-flops.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know. First of all, everybody's

Speaker 1 okay.

Speaker 1 Are people okay with their bones with you describing your V-neck dad content?

Speaker 1 We just had a bone epidemic.

Speaker 1 But you know what it is? I spend a lot of time, like, you know me. You guys, I'm not like out in the Caribbean.
Actually, I was last month.

Speaker 1 I'm at the pool. I'm in the pool with the kids.
I was in the Caribbean a month ago, so that's part of it. Yeah, we got it.

Speaker 3 Sean, go for Sean.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 2 I have this friend who tans his taint.

Speaker 1 Oh!

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's like a thing. Is it really?

Speaker 2 So you like, you tan completely naked.

Speaker 3 Wait, is that like bleaching?

Speaker 1 I don't know. No, man.

Speaker 3 Oh, that's where you draw the line. I know about tanning the asshole, but not about bleaching.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know anything about bleaching. Yeah, how dare you?

Speaker 1 Fuck.

Speaker 3 Here we come.

Speaker 1 This is a great, great segue into our high-class guest. Gang.

Speaker 3 Our guest this week is enormously accomplished in two completely separate but very public careers and has done so while remaining incredibly private and avoiding, for the most part, all the trappings of a Hollywood life.

Speaker 3 He's an actor and a musician, you two, not a celebrity and a rock star. Okay.

Speaker 3 In the movie world, he's received numerous nominations and awards, including an Oscar, a SAG, a Golden Globe.

Speaker 3 He's worked with some of the greatest directors of our time, including Fincher, Malik Stone, Aronofsky, Villanu. As a musician, he's been the frontman of his band for over 26 years.

Speaker 3 They've sold over 50 million albums and toured the world multiple times. He's quietly been deeply involved in charity and the business world in the few remaining free minutes in his life.
He's funny.

Speaker 3 He's easy on the eyes. He's a Capricorn, and I believe he's available.
Let's help him out, guys. This is Jared Leto.

Speaker 1 Leto, I just saw him. Jared, Jared, I called Ado.

Speaker 1 Hello, hello, hello. Hey, Hey, man.

Speaker 1 Jared, hi.

Speaker 3 You know, I'm proud to say Jared and I know each other a little bit.

Speaker 1 I wish I was close to each other.

Speaker 3 I was going to ask. But, you know, he's busy.

Speaker 3 Where do we find you?

Speaker 4 You find me in Iowa today.

Speaker 3 Oh, wow.

Speaker 3 Are we acting or musicianing?

Speaker 4 We just started the U.S.

Speaker 1 leg of our world tour, which is called Seasons World Tour. That's connected.
Congratulations.

Speaker 4 Shout out to Tracy in Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 We were in the middle of the day. Thank you very much.
Thank you.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Last two shows, we were in Milwaukee and then in Kadat.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. Wait.
What's Kadat? Yeah, what's Kadat?

Speaker 4 Kadat is a beautiful little town in the middle of nowhere. And today we're in Des Moines.

Speaker 3 So, wait, is Kadat in Wisconsin?

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Wade, how do you guys, how do you guys know each other?

Speaker 1 What? How?

Speaker 3 Just sort of crossing paths throughout our start as youngsters in the biz.

Speaker 1 Is that that true? I think so.

Speaker 3 Vacationing. I think was the first time on our little trip to Ski Town?

Speaker 4 I have no idea.

Speaker 4 I think maybe?

Speaker 3 I don't know. But I have been very fond of you for a very long time, mister.

Speaker 3 And I'm so glad to be able to talk to you

Speaker 3 for an hour here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is awesome. I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 And this is actually my,

Speaker 4 I think it's my first podcast that I've ever done.

Speaker 3 It's ours too.

Speaker 1 Really? So, yeah.

Speaker 4 So I'm going to fuck it up big time.

Speaker 1 Listen, Jared, here's all of you. It's a great podcast that that I've got.
I'll try to get a word in.

Speaker 1 If I could say anything about podcasts, this is the first time any of us had done one. We started it four years ago, and we have not got any better.

Speaker 1 I would say we've gotten worse.

Speaker 4 I wore some pajamas. I thought someone might be in the pajama.

Speaker 1 Yeah, look at me.

Speaker 3 Here's the stretchy pajama pants and the fucking hoodie and the shitty t-shirt.

Speaker 2 Jared, before we jump into how brilliant you are in your music and your acting,

Speaker 2 you're so good looking. What do you do for your skin?

Speaker 1 Good lord. Here we go.
And this is for Jared, or this is for everybody.

Speaker 3 We're done with your skin. Okay.

Speaker 1 No, it's kind of amazing. Jared, how old are you? How old are you? Are you over 50?

Speaker 2 52. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 Shut the fuck up. You look great.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 You guys look great. What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's, I mean, honestly, you could play, and I mean this, and I, and I love everybody here, including you, Jared, because now you're with us. You could play Jason's son.

Speaker 1 And I swear you could.

Speaker 1 You could.

Speaker 3 But, you know,

Speaker 3 he wears it much better than me.

Speaker 1 No, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I know.

Speaker 3 No, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 I'm saying he could be your son, Hula. All right.

Speaker 3 So, Jared, so you are, so you're starting the domestic leg of the international tour or world tour. But this is, what lap around the planet would this be for you guys?

Speaker 3 You've done it a few times.

Speaker 4 Yeah, six or seven hundred probably.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 3 six or seven hundred laps.

Speaker 1 No, no, I'm joking. But we

Speaker 4 started, we actually didn't tour for about six years.

Speaker 4 It was COVID, and then we were finishing an album. So the last time we did a world tour was like 2018, did some dates in 2019.

Speaker 4 But we just, we did a few festivals last year, and then we started

Speaker 4 this year. I was filming Tron in Vancouver for four months.

Speaker 1 Can't wait to take it easy.

Speaker 4 And then

Speaker 4 I had a couple weeks where we went to South America to start the tour. And then after Tron was done, we went off to Europe and just did seven, eight weeks in Europe, which was

Speaker 1 I don't know if you guys saw it. Did you start, did you announce your tour? Did I see this? Did you climb the Empire State Building or some shit? Yeah.
Yeah. I saw that.
What the fuck is that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, man.

Speaker 3 Just start. Just go ahead and take 45 minutes to tell us about this.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Just

Speaker 4 a little stunt to launch the tour. I mean, it's better than just putting it on.

Speaker 3 No, exactly.

Speaker 3 how did how do you not how do you not vomit well you don't jump ahead who comes up with this idea let's talk about planning

Speaker 3 first of all you're a rock climber so this wasn't out of the blue

Speaker 4 no no i mean i've climbed buildings before and i've always been obsessed with yeah i mean just just not obviously not like that but uh i've always been a really fascinated by the Empire State Building since I was a kid.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow.

Speaker 3 You and King Kong, right?

Speaker 1 Just like, I got to get up there.

Speaker 3 So how does that, all right. As I did a tiny bit of rock climbing with my dad when I was a kid, enough to know that it's a certain kind of shoe.
It's a boot.

Speaker 3 It's a friction, friction boot, I think it's called, maybe something like that.

Speaker 1 No, not at all.

Speaker 1 This is close.

Speaker 3 But you need, you need some.

Speaker 4 It's called a rock climbing shoe.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 I'll write that down.

Speaker 3 And you need some sort of some something jutting out of a flat surface to be able to kind of get some kind of a grip onto. A building almost by definition is

Speaker 1 flat.

Speaker 3 So what makes you think you've climbed multiple buildings?

Speaker 3 How do you get up there?

Speaker 1 How do you do it?

Speaker 4 Windowsills, little, you know, if there's kind of a stone feature,

Speaker 1 use those.

Speaker 4 But a lot of times it's just the structure, the features on the building.

Speaker 1 But were you hooked into something or were you just freestyling? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 I mean, you know, we went to the Empire State Building and they said no about 100 times.

Speaker 1 We asked.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we we asked, and we had, we had to.

Speaker 4 It was too big of an undertaking. And there's a huge section of the building that's not climbable.
I mean, it is absolutely.

Speaker 4 But it was fun, man. It was an incredible adventure.
And to sit up there for, you know, we actually did it two days in a row, kind of a day to climb it, another day to film it.

Speaker 1 What? It was amazing.

Speaker 3 So, wait, so you're standing on the sidewalk, you're scouting it, right? You got to take a look at it up close first.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 you recognize that there is a path, that it is doable, that in other words, that first windowsill, you can literally reach and start your climb. I mean, stuff like that.
I just,

Speaker 1 the first step. Yeah, you can.

Speaker 2 I was just going to say the first step.

Speaker 4 Yeah. The first step is

Speaker 4 getting them to say yes, getting permits to be able to do it.

Speaker 1 But they didn't.

Speaker 4 You know, no, they did. Oh.

Speaker 4 Because I think, you know what their big concern actually was, wasn't meant to be falling off?

Speaker 1 Me falling?

Speaker 4 No, it was me falling on top of somebody and killing somebody.

Speaker 1 That makes sense.

Speaker 4 But I had some climber friends of mine that looked at it.

Speaker 4 A guy named Alex Honold from Free Solo took a look at doing that at one point and had decided really that the first section of it was probably not climbable unless, you know, you wanted to die.

Speaker 4 But the only way that I was able to do it was to get permission, to get permits.

Speaker 4 And I had to be roped up for the sections that i climbed the sections that were climbable um but it was amazing wait so then you were going to free climb it yeah i mean there's look there's there's a lot of terminology that gets confusing with climbing but yeah i had to be roped up while i climbed uh the empire state building had i not i would be dead um because i did fall um and uh

Speaker 4 you know it's it's a very very difficult climb it's not something that you can just kind of do without a rope yeah jared do you know know that every night, and this is true, Jason, you'll attest this, every single night you get roped up, right?

Speaker 1 You don't smoke it. I guess

Speaker 1 you chew it, but

Speaker 1 you get a head full of rope every night.

Speaker 1 Wait a second. So, Jared, Jared, I've seen a lot of those.
I loved all those, like Free Solo and the other one about

Speaker 1 the guys who climbed in Tibet, all those

Speaker 1 amazing Sherpas. You know, that story, they climbed all those peaks.
What was that one? They climbed like the seven peaks, was it?

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah, it was called something like that.

Speaker 1 Yes, I mean, but but

Speaker 1 sort sort of that, the, the kind of the, the, the, the one consistent thing about all of them was that they just had this,

Speaker 1 that thing that I don't think most people have, which I guess you have, which is that

Speaker 1 sort of, they're missing that thing of having fear that most of us have, which that I have. You know, I start to get weak.
My knees get weak when I climb a ladder that's above 10 feet.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? I'm like, fuck, man. If I fall, I'm going to die.

Speaker 1 right and would so my question is for you is because all those people seem to have it and you have it did you always have that or did you kind of

Speaker 1 did it just over time develop

Speaker 4 no i i still get uh yeah i i i experience fear when i'm climbing all the time i mean that's what keeps you alive but uh i climb with alex quite a bit he's a good friend i climb with uh jimmy chin who's about to go to uh i think he's gonna ski down everest or something crazy crazy.

Speaker 1 No way.

Speaker 4 But yeah,

Speaker 4 these guys,

Speaker 4 you know, they're professionals. I'm an amateur.
You know, I do this for fun. It's a hobby for me.
But there are a lot of times you have to negotiate with fear.

Speaker 4 You have to have a conversation with yourself. And it's a fascinating thing because you're,

Speaker 4 I've never heard people talk about death more than. friends of mine that are climbing all the time.
You know, it's a conversation. You're really close to death.

Speaker 4 And I think in a way, you're really also maybe a bit closer to life.

Speaker 4 Right.

Speaker 4 I free dive as well. And, you know, that's something where you're always having a conversation with yourself about negotiating your limits, negotiating fear.

Speaker 4 But I don't know. I love it.
I think it's really fun. At the end of the day, it's just fun.

Speaker 2 Is there any time that you actually be got really close to that moment of death?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah. Yeah.
I was climbing with Alex in and

Speaker 1 Red Rock, where I live.

Speaker 4 I live in Nevada now, by the way. I moved there during COVID.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow.

Speaker 4 And I live 10 minutes from some of the best rock climbing in the world. And I was out there climbing with him one day and my rope got cut.

Speaker 1 Oh, God. And I was.
On a rock?

Speaker 4 I was about, yeah, 600 feet up. About to, I was climbing an overhang about 600 feet.
off the ground and I knew I was going to fall, which is actually, you know, pretty normal in climbing.

Speaker 4 You, sometimes you fall a couple of times and that's how you learn. That's how you get better.
That's how you kind of make it through.

Speaker 3 And just, and for Tracy, like

Speaker 1 the...

Speaker 3 You fall, but you don't fall to the ground because you've got

Speaker 3 a carabiner into the rock at some sort of say, so you're only falling that distance, which is maybe, what, 20 feet, something like that?

Speaker 4 Exactly. Sometimes it could be 50 feet.
It could be two feet. It really depends on

Speaker 4 the situation. But Alex was ahead of me, and he was placing the gear.
I took a fall. I swung out over the 600-foot abyss.
And as I was swinging, I felt the rope go pop, pop, pop, pop.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 4 And I looked up and I could see it starting to get core shot at the top. I saw the white innards of the rope pop out.

Speaker 4 And I knew in those few seconds, milliseconds maybe that I was probably going to die. And if...

Speaker 1 If I didn't grab a hold of the wall when I swung back in, that was it.

Speaker 4 So I swung back into the wall and I went went to grab it at the last minute. Oh, I lost it.
And I swung out again, but I yelled, lower me to Alex. And fortunately, he heard me.

Speaker 4 It was a very windy day, and he was about 100 feet above me on top of this mountain because he couldn't see me. I was on the overhang.
And as I said, yelled, lower me, he lowered.

Speaker 4 So the next time that the rope got cut, it was in a different spot. And that time I managed to make it on the wall.
And he figured out how to get down because he's superhuman.

Speaker 4 superhuman and we had to cut the rope and kind of negotiate our way down the mountain but it was

Speaker 1 yeah that was that was pretty fun yeah and then like dude i would have been first of all all the clothing i was wearing would have to be thrown out yeah right right just it would be i would be my pants would be filled with defecate yeah sean one time what was the thing sean you said at the grove you and you and scotty parked on p4 and you ended up taking the stairs all the way down right because the elevator's broken what were you saying that's right yeah that was my scariest moment.

Speaker 1 That was the story.

Speaker 4 At the end of it, Alex is like, you want to do it again? I was like, you're out of your fucking mind.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Fred. What do you mean, right? Yeah.

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Speaker 3 But Jared, talk to me about how you, what, what is that,

Speaker 3 what is that conversation with yourself when you when you negotiate with yourself about fear? Because I'm sure it's not just exclusive to rock climbing. It's it's about

Speaker 3 getting up in front of thousands and thousands of people,

Speaker 3 performing with 30 Seconds to Mars or taking on some of these incredibly ambitious roles, which you pull off like no one's business.

Speaker 3 What is that?

Speaker 3 How is, I mean, I know it's a deeply personal conversation people have with themselves about kind of gearing up for stuff and asking yourself to give what you got.

Speaker 3 But, you know, give us as much as you're comfortable giving about, because you clearly have a lot of,

Speaker 3 it's not confidence. It's just,

Speaker 3 it's, well, you tell me what it is because you have it.

Speaker 4 Well, I mean, I think I appreciate it, but I think you guys do that all the time. I mean, some of this stuff.

Speaker 1 It's different stuff.

Speaker 4 It's different.

Speaker 4 You know what

Speaker 4 can

Speaker 4 scare me more than a lot of things is having to speak in front of a lot of people.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't do that well. Same.

Speaker 3 Up on stage with a spotlight, as myself, with a microphone.

Speaker 4 And it's bizarre because I'm on stage most nights of the week, as you are as well. And, you know, even this is a public stage.
It's,

Speaker 4 you know, so that that can always, you know, when you're just up there and it's you and your words, that can be a little intimidating. But I don't know.
I think, you know, there's an inevitability.

Speaker 4 Like when I'm on tour, you have to go on stage. And the weird thing about being, maybe you guys have felt this as well.

Speaker 4 I feel more comfortable on stage than I do sitting here talking to you or I would talking to a person at dinner. Like I feel what wants to show you.

Speaker 3 Because that's a character, maybe?

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, no, no. Lead man? No, no.

Speaker 4 The music is that being on stage is a total opposite. It's the revelation of oneself.
It's showing and sharing who you really are.

Speaker 1 You know what?

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, really quick.

Speaker 2 I was just going to say, at my wedding to Scotty, my husband, there was like 10 people at our wedding. We were going to do like a thousand.
And my opening, in my wedding vows, I said, I feel

Speaker 2 incredibly comfortable in front of thousands of people or one person, but this is right in the middle of that and that's where I feel the worst. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know?

Speaker 4 Yeah. Sometimes I'm, I have acoustic guitar.
I'm sitting there in the middle of an arena or somewhere and it just feels terrible.

Speaker 4 No, it feels absolutely amazing. It's so comfortable.
It's so I'm totally at peace and

Speaker 4 it's a magical thing. By the way, we're all this similar ages.
And, you know, I have to say, I was talking to my brother. And,

Speaker 4 you know, my brother's a massive fan of the show.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 I know your brother. He's an avid listener.

Speaker 4 He's been telling me from the very beginning, you got to listen to the show.

Speaker 1 You got to listen.

Speaker 4 Texting me all the time. Oh, my God, this happened on the show.
Because I can't listen to the goddamn show.

Speaker 1 Wait, Jared, you know that I know Shannon Lille. We have mutual friends.
I know Shannon Lille. Oh, nice.
He's a great best. He's the best.

Speaker 4 For people that don't know that or listening, he's the better half of 30 Seconds to Mars. And we've been doing the band together since we were kids.

Speaker 1 That's great.

Speaker 4 You know, to be 52 at this point and to be

Speaker 4 on the road with your brother,

Speaker 4 there's not a night that goes by where I don't look at him and just

Speaker 4 share a moment of gratitude, how lucky we are to be able to do that.

Speaker 1 I want to come back to that.

Speaker 3 But before we leave this thing,

Speaker 3 just so I sort of... close the loop on it.

Speaker 3 It sounds like what you're saying is

Speaker 3 there's a belief in yourself that you find

Speaker 3 at the most critical moments that fuels you through something that might be insurmountable to some others that might not have that level of belief, your ability to go through something that might be really super challenging.

Speaker 3 Is that what it is?

Speaker 4 I'm of the thinking that

Speaker 4 I actually don't have anything special. to offer.
I really believe that everyone

Speaker 4 could basically do anything that I do anytime they want to. It's it's a matter of

Speaker 4 a little bit of faith and a lot of hard work. That's how I look at it.
I think everybody could. But what's the faith?

Speaker 1 I guess that's the part.

Speaker 3 It's faith in yourself, right? It's belief that you can get it done and that

Speaker 3 you have the opportunity to make yourself proud and you're probably not going to let yourself down.

Speaker 4 And the people around you too, you know, right? The people around you, that's a big driver for me is to kind of to make sure I don't let anyone down, whether I'm working on a film or I'm on stage.

Speaker 4 And, you know, the

Speaker 4 great thing that I found out about being on tour, me on stage is like, I'm not there for me. I'm there for the audience and for my brother.
And I am in service every night to make sure the person that

Speaker 4 worked their ass off to buy a concert ticket, which aren't cheap these days, by the way, has a night that they're never going to forget. Yeah.
And I'm in search of that

Speaker 4 every night, all night. And that's a lucky person.

Speaker 1 It's interesting you say that. And I think it's,

Speaker 1 I also,

Speaker 1 I also have a similar thought process, which is that there are a thousand people who can do what I do. And I think about it all the time.

Speaker 3 And I think. It might be a bigger number.

Speaker 3 But sorry, I'm going to cut you.

Speaker 1 Sorry,

Speaker 1 within the greater Los Angeles area at any given time. Sorry to meet you.

Speaker 1 It's true.

Speaker 1 Sorry, Will, finish your point. That was rude.
It was funny. No, no, no.
No, no, no. No, no.

Speaker 1 Listen, I get it. You're hungry.

Speaker 1 Sorry.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 but what I wanted to know about was when you say, it's interesting when you say, like, you don't want to disappoint anybody or you want to let anybody down.

Speaker 1 And when you're on tour and you're on stage, is that your brother? Is that Shannon? When you're working on a film, is that all the people around you? Is that the people at home? Is that an idea,

Speaker 1 sort of a general idea of letting people down? Like, is that something you've always had?

Speaker 4 No, I think it's all of the above.

Speaker 4 And, you know, I don't carry that with me as a burden. I kind of, for me, that's fuel for the fire.
And,

Speaker 4 you know, I don't know, maybe you guys feel this way too, but when I'm on set, I feel like it's my job to

Speaker 4 try and be one of the hardest working people on the set.

Speaker 4 It's my job to absolutely deliver every single time that I come to set. Of course, you're going to fail, but that's the goal.

Speaker 4 To be over-prepared, to know my lines, to know your lines, to know, to have a thousand ideas to bring to the table and to do, and to really just to die for it.

Speaker 4 And to also

Speaker 4 try to be the kindest person that I can be every single day and to be supportive and be a a good partner. Like those are the simple things that kind of continue to get me through it.

Speaker 2 But when you're as prepared as you are, like you just described, that eliminates fear.

Speaker 1 That's true. That's a good idea.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's very well said. I think preparation is definitely a confidence builder.

Speaker 4 And, you know, sometimes if I haven't been on tour for a long time, I'm like, and we have a huge show and there's a ton of people out there. And I'm like, oh my God, how do I, what do I do?

Speaker 4 And then you get out there and you just, your body remembers.

Speaker 3 All of this sounds like a really, really, really good work ethic and a deep sense of discipline and focus.

Speaker 3 Did you have that as a young kid? Was that something that your mom taught you?

Speaker 3 Was it, did you discover it in school? You just kind of come out of the box with it.

Speaker 4 My mom. Yeah.
My mom was.

Speaker 4 and is a great teacher. You know, she's

Speaker 4 in a large part, I dedicated my Oscar speech to my mother. Yeah.
And I had an opportunity. I always think, like, by the way, I never thought that I would win a single award in my entire life.

Speaker 1 Those are the people that win.

Speaker 2 It's much deserved.

Speaker 4 Never, never, never, never, never would happen to me. Never, ever.

Speaker 4 So I was like, well, I'm going to use this as an opportunity

Speaker 4 to really thank the people in my life that

Speaker 4 have inspired and encouraged me. And, you know, first and foremost, that's my mom.
And my mom, she was a single mom.

Speaker 1 We grew up really poor

Speaker 4 and like food stand poor.

Speaker 4 I was born in Louisiana, as was my brother. And my mother was high school dropout, but put herself back through school with two kids, single mom,

Speaker 4 and got a nursing degree.

Speaker 1 And really worked and fought really hard to make a better life for her sister. And you watched that.
She

Speaker 4 and I saw that and I saw her do if there was a shift that came up she would take that I saw her do those extra I don't know

Speaker 4 but they were these really long shifts at least 12 hours

Speaker 4 and then she would do night shifts and I saw her work and I saw her dedication and I watched her educate herself I watched her

Speaker 4 and it taught me a lot

Speaker 4 so and she was always very creative and and and really kind of broke the mold in her family

Speaker 4 So that was a big lesson for me.

Speaker 3 All right. So you leave Louisiana.
Where do you go from there?

Speaker 3 Where does the acting and the music bug start to bite you?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Well, I was in art school and studying to be a painter.

Speaker 1 Oh, nice.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
There's nothing you can't do. I was like, no.

Speaker 4 After

Speaker 4 a stint, kind of,

Speaker 4 it's funny, you know, I'm negotiating in my head things that I want to talk about or not because I actually don't talk about a lot of this stuff.

Speaker 3 We appreciate that. The fact that you're with you.

Speaker 4 But it's something in my life, too. I'm like, I'm negotiating as well of like, you know, how, how do you, you know, what do you share? What do you not? And as you're older,

Speaker 4 yeah, and I've been less precious.

Speaker 3 I've been making fun about a safe interview, I've always felt.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And then, you know, you want to share things and, you know, it's beautiful to share.

Speaker 1 Well, can I say this? That maybe this will prime you a little bit. So

Speaker 1 I've been joking recently that I know I've been saying to people, for a guy who's a loudmouth, know-it-all me,

Speaker 1 I know embarrassingly little about art. And it's been like this blind spot that I've had my whole life.
And I kind of started to own it recently.

Speaker 1 And as from the moment I started saying that, I've started meeting all these artists, painters. I met three,

Speaker 1 I've met three new painters in the last 24 hours alone who have revealed to me, oh, I'm a painter.

Speaker 1 And so I've been taught, and I've been reading this book about the cooning and boring these guys about, but I'm reading this book about, and it's been, it's kind of like now, because I've been putting it out there, it's been coming.

Speaker 1 And I said to Alessandra, my partner, this morning, we rode our bikes down to the beach. I'm out here in Long Island, rode my bike down to the beach, and I said,

Speaker 1 I can't believe I'm saying this. I think I'm going to start painting.
Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 1 And I love that. And I'm embarrassed because I feel like a fucking cliche.
And I'm like, I don't give a shit. I love it.
I think it's fucking feel it. And I don't know anything.
I really don't.

Speaker 1 I'm a fucking novice of novices, but I feel really connected to it. That's awesome.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 Do you still do it, Jared?

Speaker 4 You know, I don't paint that much. I draw sometimes and I put a lot of my creative energy.
And by the way, I think that's one of the important things in life is to keep learning, to keep...

Speaker 4 I always say I'd love to be the dumbest guy in the room. Yeah.
And that's a fascinating room to be in and

Speaker 4 do a lot of stuff.

Speaker 4 Yeah. And fortunately, I have the opportunity to do that quite a bit.

Speaker 1 Same here.

Speaker 4 But no, I think it's great to continue to learn to do new things and, you know, just to be to be a beginner

Speaker 1 again.

Speaker 3 Do you get knee-deep in the artwork for the albums and stuff like that?

Speaker 1 Oh, artwork.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Too much, probably.
Yeah. I'm the guy that makes like a thousand different album covers.

Speaker 1 But I think, but yeah, but album artwork is always consistently been like

Speaker 3 to me, like really cool. Or like rock, concert t-shirt designs and all that kind of.

Speaker 1 I'm a big fucking radio head.

Speaker 4 I'd be like, you know, like every three days, we're doing a new t-shirt design. And I mean, it's something, it's a consistent thing.

Speaker 1 I love that.

Speaker 4 But with the album artwork, I did a thousand different covers. And then, you know what I did?

Speaker 4 I did this little art project where I was taking a photo of the sky every day. Right.

Speaker 4 And, you know, after about three months, it gets really annoying, by the way, I'll tell you.

Speaker 4 I'd say to my assistant, I'd be like, can you just grab that photo today?

Speaker 1 I'm too busy.

Speaker 3 It wasn't from the same place every day.

Speaker 4 But it's anywhere you are. It's just like it's, oh, I forgot.
And then you try to make up for it. But anyway, I had hundreds of photos of these skies.
And I thought, oh, maybe that's an album cover.

Speaker 4 So I did 10 different album covers, just basically cell phone pictures of the sky. And that ended up being kind of the

Speaker 4 basis of our artwork for our new album. That's cool.
Which is, it's called It's the End of the World, but it's a Beautiful Day.

Speaker 1 So it ended up being that. But by the way, Sean, you got accused.
Didn't you have hundreds of photos of these guys? No, he said skies. He said skies.
Scottish.

Speaker 1 I was taking hundreds of photos of it.

Speaker 2 And then I'd hear a knock on my door.

Speaker 1 My hearing is so bad. My hearing is so bad.
Jared, you reminded me of like

Speaker 2 the same guy.

Speaker 3 They reminded me of this really cool documentary I read about you directed where

Speaker 3 you simultaneously filmed

Speaker 3 a day in the life of 50 different of the 50 different states.

Speaker 3 Am I describing that?

Speaker 4 I did something called the Day in the Life of America. Our album, our previous album in 2018, was called America.

Speaker 4 And it was that time when the world was kind of getting a little, a little wild. It still hasn't recovered, I think.

Speaker 4 Specifically, America. But anyway, yeah,

Speaker 4 I was inspired by a book that I had when I was a kid, National Geographic, where they took photos in every state. on a single day.
So we sent camera crews.

Speaker 4 We actually had 92 crews all over the country. What? In every state in Puerto Rico and as well in Alaska.
And we made this documentary about the kind of one day. And it was fascinating.

Speaker 4 We had the birth of a child. We had someone pass away on camera.
I mean, it was like, it was a really, we saw it all.

Speaker 4 And it was on 4th of July.

Speaker 1 So we had all the paragraphs. Oh, no.
Yeah. That's cool.

Speaker 3 How do you like that? How do you like

Speaker 3 how do you like directing and then directing narrative versus documentary?

Speaker 3 I know you do a lot of producing too. Is that, are those areas that you're looking to challenge yourself on as well?

Speaker 4 Well, I started off in, I was a painter

Speaker 4 in art school, and then I took a photography class, and I got obsessed. I would be in the dark room.

Speaker 4 I don't know if you guys have ever done that, but that's a really fun thing to do to kind of shoot and develop your. Go ahead, Will.
That's a great tee-up for you for Sean.

Speaker 1 No, no, no.

Speaker 1 Hundreds of these guys in a dark room.

Speaker 1 You work on it and come back and interrupt. But wait, wait, wait.
Charity, I want to talk. I want to know about you becoming a painter.

Speaker 1 What was that?

Speaker 4 Well, I grew up around my mom was, you know, I had a hippie mom, and she had a lot of really creative friends.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 I always thought that I would either be a painter.

Speaker 1 I don't know. My dad was a painter and a photographer, for real.
Really? Oh, wow. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So I love both those things.

Speaker 1 He was really.

Speaker 4 It's awesome.

Speaker 4 My mom is a great photographer, and I grew up around seeing her photos. And she taught me a lot about photography when I was a kid.

Speaker 4 So one day I was, the school had like a performing arts section to it. And I would go over and watch the actors.
And I always thought, man, that is terrifying.

Speaker 4 They are so brave what they're doing running around out there on stage. And I didn't understand any of it.
I was like, this is just insane.

Speaker 4 But I asked the school,

Speaker 4 I started taking a film class, like film as

Speaker 4 a kind of, you know, fine art, not like film as cinema, those Hollywood movies.

Speaker 4 So I fell in love with that.

Speaker 3 And, you know, just like film history, you'd like watch classes.

Speaker 4 No, no, we would go, they had like Bolex cameras that you'd rent and you'd shoot.

Speaker 1 Filmmaking. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So you'd shoot film,

Speaker 4 black and white film. And then you'd have to send it away to get developed.

Speaker 4 And we would edit using razor blades and tape and uh wow i mean there wasn't a single computer i remember the first computer that came into that art school was a macintosh and nobody used it you know it just sat in the corner the apple too um yeah yeah so anyway i i was i was studying painting i fell in love with photography i took a film class i switched my major to film and then i asked the school to create a class for directors about acting.

Speaker 4 And I bothered them. I went there maybe 200 times and the lady kind of looked at me frustrated one day and says, you know what? I admire your persistence.

Speaker 1 And she like, you know, she just.

Speaker 3 What does that mean, directors for acting?

Speaker 4 Acting for directors, sorry.

Speaker 1 Acting for directors, gotcha.

Speaker 4 Acting for directors. So I thought like, okay, I'm studying film, even though it was a kind of arty-farty fine art film.
Yeah. Right.
But we should understand what acting is. Right.

Speaker 4 And I had this little secret. I was, I thought, this is interesting.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And it got, it got more attention in your mind than directing.

Speaker 4 Well,

Speaker 4 they created the class after I bugged them. And there was like, I don't know, maybe four or five people.
And we were doing, you know, acting like animals and doing all these experiments.

Speaker 4 And, you know,

Speaker 4 I don't know how much I learned in that class, but

Speaker 4 shortly after that, I had dropped out of college. I ended up in California.

Speaker 3 To pursue acting.

Speaker 4 Music and acting. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's awesome.
Unbelievable.

Speaker 3 It's really cool how you've been able to keep, but it's just like, you know, as I said sort of in my crappy intro that, you know, you've, you've been incredibly successful in both of these careers,

Speaker 3 like enormously successful.

Speaker 3 Yet you've managed to not, you know, lean in and take the bait and eat the junk food that propels that kind of success and notoriety into celebrity-ness, if that's a word. And

Speaker 1 it's just not.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 4 we all fail a lot, right? I mean, I always say I fail more than anybody that I know.

Speaker 1 I fail all the time. Well, you're just getting to know me.

Speaker 1 I've got a lot of people. Yeah, but I mean, like, I've failed a lot.

Speaker 2 Jason's point: it's like

Speaker 2 you don't get sucked into that. Is that a conscious decision? Do you say no to a lot of things because you like to stay private? Or do you say no because you don't want to deal with it? I mean,

Speaker 1 well, it's just not you.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, I'm actually an introvert,

Speaker 4 which is bizarre because of my choices out there

Speaker 4 as far as work goes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're because you're a movie star and you're in a rock band. It doesn't seem like a perfect spot for an introvert to live.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's a strange thing. But, you know, when I'm done with the show,

Speaker 1 I literally

Speaker 1 get the show.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I go to the hotel room, get food, and

Speaker 4 turn on Netflix, and that's it. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 Donzel, Washington. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wow.

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Speaker 3 What is, what do you, aside from that sort of that that decompression routine of just kind of getting quiet, getting by yourself, watching little TV, is there anything else that you can really rely on that gets you to your small self?

Speaker 3 And like, is it reading?

Speaker 3 Is there like a video game that you play or whatever, an app on the phone? Or like from, you know, Willie and I, we play like freaking word games on the app sometimes on the phone.

Speaker 3 And like, do you have golf sometimes gets us, you know, quiet?

Speaker 4 Yeah, for me, I have work.

Speaker 1 I love to work.

Speaker 4 That's my favorite thing in the world to do. I love to work, work, and work some more.
And if I have some time, I like to climb. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And then I like to free dive, which I just started a couple of years ago.

Speaker 1 What's free? Yeah, I want to talk about that. Free dive off the film.
Is that like the big blue, like that Luc Passant film? Yeah, Le Grand Bleu, yeah. Le Grand Bleu

Speaker 1 c'est encroable.

Speaker 1 One cigarette.

Speaker 1 Well, I take one tier. No, I see my mistress.
I have a coffee.

Speaker 1 So, this is the first time.

Speaker 1 Every French person that comes in the room is sort of like saying hi, and they'll go, Cuckoo.

Speaker 1 Why, why is that?

Speaker 1 I had this woman who I worked with, and I was living in the south of France, and I could hear her from the room, cuckoo.

Speaker 1 What the fuck? Why cuckoo?

Speaker 1 Du Minerve.

Speaker 1 Why do they say cuckoo?

Speaker 3 It's like the Englishman with the pip pip, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's just kind of like a you. It's almost like a Yoohoo, but it's like,

Speaker 3 wait, so this is diving without oxygen.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's not. A lot of people, when you say free dive, a lot of people think jumping off of cliffs.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Like me. It's not.

Speaker 4 You know, free diving is either...

Speaker 4 People focus on depth,

Speaker 4 people focus on time.

Speaker 4 There's static diving. There's free diving.

Speaker 1 What's the kind of, what kind of depths are we talking about right now?

Speaker 4 I like to dive through caves.

Speaker 1 That's my thing. Oh my God.

Speaker 1 That's Willie's.

Speaker 4 But not with a tank. Right.

Speaker 3 So there's no way out, Will.

Speaker 3 But again, I'm a beginner.

Speaker 1 I'm a beginner rock climber.

Speaker 4 I'm a beginner free diver.

Speaker 3 Well, you're a beginning ass just went up the Empire State Building and you're diving in caves. So you're doing okay.

Speaker 1 I'm doing okay.

Speaker 3 How long can you stay under?

Speaker 3 You can stay under. Let me guess.

Speaker 1 Let me guess time.

Speaker 3 Okay, but let me guess how long you you can hold your breath. And I know this oversimplifies things.
It dumbs it down for us idiots.

Speaker 3 I'll bet that you can get to three minutes pretty easily.

Speaker 3 Will, Sean, do you have any guesses?

Speaker 2 I was just thinking about how long I can stay under propofol.

Speaker 3 Or when you choke yourself out, how long you can stay before it

Speaker 1 when I get my belt around the top of the tower, Jim,

Speaker 1 when I'm trying to just

Speaker 1 squeeze one out. I'm going to say,

Speaker 1 what's the record? No, because I saw like something I saw.

Speaker 1 I'm going to say three and a half minutes, Jared. That's my, Jason said three.

Speaker 1 I'm going to say four. I'll say four, Jared.

Speaker 4 Absolutely. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Three minutes for sure, four minutes for sure.

Speaker 1 No way. So it goes longer.

Speaker 4 Oh, people go a lot longer. That's not a lot for, that's not, it's that, it's not impressive at all in the world of sea diving.
That is a beginner.

Speaker 3 Now, are there, okay, so where are the, where, where are the great caves?

Speaker 1 In Majorca, Sardinia,

Speaker 4 Corsica, all the beautiful places.

Speaker 4 I just was in Greece. There was some good stuff there.

Speaker 4 But I focus on depth and I focus on caves.

Speaker 4 I've been, the deepest I've gone is 18 feet.

Speaker 1 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 Well, you need 10 minutes to re-acclimate or whatever as you come back up.

Speaker 4 No, you don't have to.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 4 That's only with scuba diving.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Wow.
okay so you just use your your lungs

Speaker 1 jared jared why don't you just like take up reading men or something

Speaker 1 jumping off cliffs or swimming into cliffs why don't you just get involved with the crown you know there's a bunch of seasons you can watch um

Speaker 4 you know there are a lot of shows i've never seen that i've been waiting to see what do you want to see what's the what do you want to see that you feel like you missed out what was the uh game of thrones i never saw that's really

Speaker 4 the first season by the way i never saw the simpsons I never saw Family Guy. I never saw South Park.
Me too. But I did see Ozark, and I would annoyingly email

Speaker 4 Jason

Speaker 4 often

Speaker 4 with

Speaker 4 thoughts on the plot developments and the characters and how much I love the show and just

Speaker 4 kind of fawning.

Speaker 3 But when you give me notes, I'd remind him we're locked.

Speaker 1 Picture is locked. So this is a bit of compliments.

Speaker 1 I have a question though, first.

Speaker 2 I have a question for all three of you because you're all

Speaker 2 wonderfully sober.

Speaker 2 But do you think you do these, these climbings, these divings,

Speaker 2 like all these things because they take the place, it's a rush that takes the place of a drug?

Speaker 4 No, I don't think so.

Speaker 4 I find them to be very peaceful when I climb and when I dive.

Speaker 1 I mean, you're really,

Speaker 4 you have to remain peaceful. If you're 100 feet under the water, you know, sometimes what's wild is you have this, you do have a conversation about death with yourself

Speaker 4 because it's scary sometimes.

Speaker 4 And then you have these moments of peace that are just outstanding.

Speaker 3 It's almost like drugs sometimes or alcohol, at least for me, was sort of

Speaker 3 the fun of kind of escaping from being inside myself and kind of, you know, adding a little of this and adding a little of that and going to sort of a different version of myself.

Speaker 3 Whereas it sounds like your experience is the opposite arrow and it's just a real internal thing.

Speaker 4 Well, it compels you into the moment. Yeah.
Being on the stage, being underwater, climbing a rock, that you have to be present.

Speaker 3 You don't have to. You have to be so present.

Speaker 4 And you're not thinking about your phone. You're not thinking about your job, your girlfriend, your boyfriend.
You're not thinking about any of that.

Speaker 4 You're thinking about what's right in front of you. So

Speaker 4 it's incredibly simple and

Speaker 4 primal, I think, in some ways.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I should note that I don't think I've been wonderfully sober. I think I've had a few missteps over the years, definitely.
And it's all for me, it's been a process. No, of course it's hard today.

Speaker 1 It's been a process for me and, or as we say in Canada, a process. Sure.

Speaker 1 But we, but I've

Speaker 1 but

Speaker 1 you get to know yourself a little bit better. And I do find those things.

Speaker 1 It is, it's a combination of what Jared said and what Jason said, which is for me is about being present and being okay with being present and trying to accept where I am. And it's all about, right?

Speaker 1 It's all about powerlessness and all that sort of stuff and realizing it and being and realizing where you are and where you sit in the world. I don't know about you guys.
I've thought a lot

Speaker 1 and not

Speaker 1 to a crazy degree, but I've been thinking a lot more about my mortality over the last few years. You're on the backside.
Yeah. And I think about, I was saying last night.

Speaker 1 Jared, you might have heard me waxing on about this memorial I went to. And I was like thinking about,

Speaker 1 we all are here for this one visit. We're not making another trip.
We've got five minutes. Right.
We're on this.

Speaker 1 And so it better be good. And we better be happy.
And I'm just, and we're all just trying to figure out how to get

Speaker 1 it.

Speaker 3 I think I'm coming back.

Speaker 3 I want to come back as Jared.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know, Jared. It would be pretty good.

Speaker 1 But wait, Jared, I have two questions really fast.

Speaker 2 One is about Tron, because I'm a huge fan of the movie.

Speaker 3 He's a big sci-fi fan.

Speaker 3 You as well, Jared? Is that what brought you to this? Super fan.

Speaker 1 Really super fun. Oh, wow.
Super, super super. super, super fan.

Speaker 4 Tron and Blade Runner were the two movies that really changed my life.

Speaker 3 And now you've been in both.

Speaker 4 Yeah, bizarre. So now I'm living in my simulation over here for sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right.

Speaker 3 What can you tell us about Tron without revealing?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 4 we've been developing it for almost 10 years.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 And it's called Tron Aries.

Speaker 2 Does it pick up right where the last one left off or no?

Speaker 4 In a way, yeah, it does. Yeah.
Yeah, it does. So,

Speaker 4 yeah, I'm super excited. And for me, like

Speaker 4 one of the highlights was working with Jeff Bridges.

Speaker 3 I was just going to say, any conversations with him on this one?

Speaker 4 Oh, God, he's just the best. Oh, yeah.
I had one take where I had to literally had to say cut. And they were like, what's wrong? Something has, I was like, no, I just can't stop fucking smiling.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I love that guy.

Speaker 4 He's every, you know, it's money back guarantee. That motherfucker gives you everything

Speaker 1 all the time. You know,

Speaker 2 but I think it's a great idea. And correct me if I'm wrong.
Isn't it where the Tron world gets transferred into the real world?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's kind of the opposite. It's such a great idea.

Speaker 4 It's a little bit of the Terminator thing where

Speaker 4 that technology comes out into

Speaker 1 Earth.

Speaker 1 Oh, I like that. It's so smart.

Speaker 1 I like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it puts it in context that we can kind of understand a little bit better, maybe, too.

Speaker 2 And then tell me, because I love,

Speaker 1 because I do a lot of theater.

Speaker 2 I love horror stories about live shows. And I know you do a lot of live shows.
Was there any kind of crazy like fan interaction? Somebody rushed the stage and every night completely lost the lyrics.

Speaker 1 Every night, every night.

Speaker 4 We just played. I mean, the show in Kadat was incredible.
I mean, I fell in love with like the entire audience.

Speaker 4 It was the craziest group of like shit kicking, awesome Americans you've ever seen in your life. Absolutely insane.
There were two people dressed like Betelgeuse.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 another guy came.

Speaker 4 I literally brought a guy on stage who was wearing a,

Speaker 4 was it an American flag speedo or was it just a

Speaker 4 yeah, an American flag speedo.

Speaker 1 That's where it went, Will. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So, but let me tell you, I was just like, I was smiling the whole time. I'm so grateful to be in front of these people.
And it was just incredible. So, yeah, I've had the worst things happen and

Speaker 4 the most amazing. We, every night there's a, you know, catastrophe of some kind, like the the mic goes out, you fall over.

Speaker 1 Right. Yeah.

Speaker 3 You're playing all these major, major cities around the world, but I also see here you got a couple of sold-out shows coming up in Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan as well.

Speaker 1 Like, what's it like? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what? Yeah.

Speaker 3 What's it like touring all these incredible corners of the earth? Do you get out and like visit the local markets? And do you have time

Speaker 3 to plant for a day or two? Are you on to the next place always?

Speaker 4 Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 4 Even yesterday, I bought a bicycle a couple days ago in Wisconsin. So we just take that out after the show, before the show on the day off, explore the cities.

Speaker 1 Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And, you know, this, this summer we were in Paris and in London, but we're also in Poland and we're in Italy and then we're headed to Sweden and to Kazakhstan. It's just incredible.

Speaker 4 Do you have a thing that is a constant in each one of these cities that you like to check out, whether it be the food or the museums or the churches or the or the or the whatever that you just have have to see their version no i think you know what i'd love to do when i'm on tour is i love to walk around the cities and kind of get away from the tourist areas and walk through like residential areas and see how people are living i find that's a really good way to fuel the culture of a specific place but the nice thing is it's not going to Poland for the first time.

Speaker 4 It's going for like the 10th time, the 15th time. Because you find, you go back to that restaurant that you found, you know, seven times ago.

Speaker 4 you yeah you have a connection with the people and the place and the food yeah i want to see you play

Speaker 3 you do you have any plans to come through la anytime soon yeah you know we are

Speaker 4 we didn't um put an la date on this tour yeah

Speaker 4 strategically we actually are going to play a show next year which is the 20th anniversary of our breakthrough album, which was called A Beautiful Lie.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 And we are going to play a show in Los Angeles to celebrate that.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's next year. That's great.
That's next year.

Speaker 3 And do you have a venue picked yet? I mean, are we making news?

Speaker 4 You know, we're making news, but it'll either be a Hollywood bowl or a forum or something like that. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I want to see that.

Speaker 2 Jared, you've done so many things. Is there something you look at other people doing that you won't do? That you're like, oh,

Speaker 2 I dive, I climb, I do movies, I play in front of millions of people.

Speaker 1 You know what? Yeah, theater.

Speaker 1 Oh, really?

Speaker 1 You'd be so good on stage.

Speaker 4 You know, I'm going to tell you why. And it's, and it's, and I, because I have so much respect for it.
And I know how hard it is because I've had so many friends do it that

Speaker 4 I just feel like

Speaker 4 I'd rather enjoy that than be a part of it.

Speaker 4 Um, I'm also on stage a lot as it is, so I don't have maybe the same itch that other people may have to kind of perform live because I'm getting pretty satisfied on that other side of it.

Speaker 3 But man, what I'm going to make a prediction that

Speaker 3 you're going to do a play in the next five years and you're going to win a Tony just like sweet Shawnee Hayes did.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 4 Congrats on that. I heard about that.

Speaker 3 Will you not be surprised when I hit you with a text when you come through town next year? I'm going to come rush the stage with my

Speaker 3 Speedo flag outfit.

Speaker 3 So it was you.

Speaker 1 I would love for you to come.

Speaker 4 I would love for you to come. come.
I would love for you to come and introduce a song.

Speaker 1 Ooh, that would be fun. That would be so great.

Speaker 4 You could sing a song. You could play the drums.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 3 You can sing in the shower. You don't want that.

Speaker 3 But I thank you so, so, so, so much for this hour, buddy.

Speaker 3 I hate that it's got to be a podcast so that we can visit, but I'll take what I can get.

Speaker 4 It's an absolute honor to be here with you guys, and I'm really blown away by what you've created. It's something so special.
It's

Speaker 4 chatting people. And,

Speaker 4 you know, my brother's going to be psyched. I didn't tell him I was doing it this morning.

Speaker 1 That's cool.

Speaker 1 That was great. Tell him why.

Speaker 3 All right. Well, enjoy the rest of my life.

Speaker 1 My first podcast. So thank you guys.
You crushed it. You crushed it.

Speaker 1 You absolutely destroyed it.

Speaker 4 Apologies to everyone if I fucked it up, but I, you know, a little bit of a dude.

Speaker 1 No, you did not. No, you killed it.

Speaker 1 You killed it. Thanks, Jared.

Speaker 2 I appreciate it. Thanks for being here, Jared.

Speaker 1 We love you. We love you.
We'll see you here later. Wow.

Speaker 4 Look and put this on.

Speaker 1 There you go.

Speaker 2 You can do that, or you could slam it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 That is, that is, that's Jared Leto. I, I just, I love the guy.
He's just always so smooth and personable, honest, real.

Speaker 2 Um, he, I could have talked to him for two more hours. He was,

Speaker 1 we'll get a number for him and then we'll make that happen.

Speaker 3 Um, but you know, he's like, I didn't want to embarrass him with it with the acting stuff because I

Speaker 3 know that like like Joaquin, like they're both like

Speaker 3 for my money, top five actors in the world. And they just don't like to talk about how fucking great they are and the roles that they do and the processes.

Speaker 3 And probably our listeners don't want to hear about this shit either. You know, the process.

Speaker 1 No, but you know what?

Speaker 3 But he's fucking so goddamn good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's so good, JB. And you're so right.
And that is one of those things that those, the great actors all kind of share, which is they don't talk about their process in that way.

Speaker 1 They're not like, hey,

Speaker 1 let me show you.

Speaker 3 It's like a magician. Like, I'm not telling you how the fucking trip goes.

Speaker 1 Just enjoy it. Yeah, they're not, they're not looking for, they're like, let the performance speak for itself.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then, and I'll talk about my life and stuff, but I'm not going to kind of walk you through so that you're impressed with my process. Right.

Speaker 3 Or, or you're starting to identify those things you heard him talk about the next time you see the performance instead of like enjoying sort of like pretending that he's somebody else, which is all it's about.

Speaker 3 It's simple.

Speaker 1 Right. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's

Speaker 1 well.

Speaker 1 Well, he's good.

Speaker 1 It's decided. He's really good at what he does.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 And a good idea.

Speaker 1 And by the way, what he does, and then he has this, and then, and it's so, it's, it's, it's a full-blown rock band. Yeah, you can't call it a sideline.
Yeah, no, no.

Speaker 3 It's arguably more successful than his acting career, potentially. I mean, 15 million albums, and it's been, it's been, it's been around for 26 years, and they're, they're playing arenas.

Speaker 1 You know, come on.

Speaker 3 That's, that's like winning an Oscar every year.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That works so hard. He works harder than

Speaker 1 obviously Sean right now working on a buy. Because I just look at him.
Yeah. He's

Speaker 1 going to say.

Speaker 1 I was fucking watching his face is embarrassing.

Speaker 2 I was going to look at what he won the Oscar for because I know he won an Oscar for. And what was the name of the movie?

Speaker 1 What was it called? You tell us.

Speaker 2 It's Dallas Bayer.

Speaker 1 Beautiful. Buyer.

Speaker 4 Beautiful Sean.

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