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Speaker 1 Sean, you seem kind of distracted this morning. Have you noticed?

Speaker 1 Have I noticed? No, he's all pissed off. He had to reboot.
Yeah, I had to reboot my computer. I hate when that happens.

Speaker 1 I don't like being late. I don't like being the guy that's the trouble.
I don't like being a good thing. I don't like being third.
Will was third today. No, I was, that's not true.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Technically second. I was third.
Practically second, but technically third because Sean was here earlier. You know what? You know what?

Speaker 1 I thought that I had more time and I went and I actually went to the same guy that Sean did who helped him with his carpal tunnel, Tarek, and he, so I was going, I was standing on the table.

Speaker 1 Don't drop Tarek's name in hopes of getting a break on your medical bill from him. Okay? That was Jason.
Have you ever gone to him?

Speaker 1 Let's have the last name, too. Go ahead.
Jason, have you been to him? Yes, I have. Yes, I have.
Oh, he is incredible.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Oh, really? So why don't you? Oh, well yeah i had i had a bad back at some point

Speaker 1 i still do but terra godra he helped to lean

Speaker 1 um yeah and so he's great and here comes your he's great so i was standing on a the reason i was late i was standing on a racquetball because i as you know i have a bad i had to bail out um toe from my hamstring yeah last week i had to bail out a golf remember you and i were playing with charlie and robin and it got so bad and he said that there was like basically like build up on my hamstring around my satic my sciatic nerve fuck man i could i couldn't even sit down Is it better now?

Speaker 1 Yeah, so how's it going? How is it going? Much better. He's helped it out a lot.
Yeah, so what do you got to do now to maintain it? He made you stand on a racket ball. That fixed it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was part of it. No, it was, you know, my posture is terrible.
You know, pillow under your knees when you sleep,

Speaker 1 how you sit, all this kind of stuff. Anything about eating cereal for dinner?

Speaker 1 He said, double down. Oh, did he? He said, double down on that.
And instead of milk, ice cream, like a real soft ice cream.

Speaker 1 Soft serve ice cream. What? Cereal.
Sean just got a boner.

Speaker 1 Sean, can I ask you a question? So earlier this morning before I record here, just half hour ago, I'm on a business call, right? Because it's a work. It's a workout.

Speaker 1 Yeah, a business call. And so I couldn't take the incoming phone call from Mr.
Arnett.

Speaker 1 Just let it go to voicemail.

Speaker 1 Hang up the business call, check my voicemail. There's no message.
It's just a record that he's called. Is that what he does with you? Like some

Speaker 1 just won't leave a message, you know, because like he's trying to hide the fact that he

Speaker 1 tried to call and then I didn't pick up. And so he's like too embarrassed to leave a message.
No, but do you leave a message? I never leave a message. Or do you leave a message?

Speaker 1 Or at least I'll text afterwards and say, hey, try Jew. Yeah, well, I'll do that sometimes, but the call

Speaker 1 is the message. Listen.
No, it's not enough that there's just a recent call from you. That doesn't qualify.
You got to leave me a message if you want to call back.

Speaker 1 Honestly, no offense to Chris Berman at ESPN, but I think your new nickname might be Boomer. So listen, Boomer, here's the deal.
I will say this.

Speaker 1 What we do now is we don't leave messages because there's a record that I called, and so you can decide

Speaker 1 your message. That's the message.
So that's official, or were you just trying to hide the fact that you're stalking me like some kind of

Speaker 1 wounded ex-boyfriend?

Speaker 1 By the way, do you think I wanted to talk to you? I had to ask you something. Well, is it?

Speaker 1 Look at this attitude. Do you think I want to deal with this?

Speaker 1 Do you think I want to do it? Text it. It's just imagine a smile.

Speaker 1 This is easier to do. To Jason's credit.
Yeah. Jason, to your credit, I will always text you: hey, do you got a second? Or hey, I want to check you.
Exactly. And you call me right away.

Speaker 1 Nowadays, Will. You call me almost this.

Speaker 1 Well, I was just trying to, you know what?

Speaker 1 You know what? I was just trying to get

Speaker 1 to see and streamline it. And I was trying to cold call you.
Yeah, because we have a relationship that was established on calling years ago. When did we decide that we were going to text first?

Speaker 1 I didn't get that text.

Speaker 1 Now that I got you all warmed up and ready for the first round, let's go out there and meet our fighter. Fucking who we got, Arnett.

Speaker 1 By the way, our buddy Bradley got seven Oscar nominations for Murder Space.

Speaker 1 Wait, he did? You should have got director, goddammit.

Speaker 1 That's the best directed film of the last decade. I agree, Target.
I mean, it's fucking

Speaker 1 blown away. Listener, there is no better film this year than Maestro.
Full stop.

Speaker 1 Full stop.

Speaker 1 To do what he did with that film is so incredible. incredible.
It's so different. Nobody's doing anything.
Yeah. When I first saw it, I was blown away.

Speaker 1 It's a stunning piece of work, and

Speaker 1 I hope he takes solace in the fact that the Academy will probably look at this and Star is Born as, okay, he did it twice really, really well. So this next one,

Speaker 1 we're going to give him at least a nomination, if not the statue. It'd be great if they did it for the next one.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Exactly, Willie.
That would be great.

Speaker 1 Willie's great. Willie's got one to clean up with Brownlee.
So speaking of the Academy Awards, our fellow seems to got himself an Academy Award nomination. Oh.
Today? Yeah, not today.

Speaker 1 But he has had Academy.

Speaker 1 I looked at his, he's one of those guys, he's got his own award nomination page on Wikipedia because there's so many that they can't even fit in his regular page. I'm getting nervous.
Same goes with

Speaker 1 his filmography. It's got its own fucking page, which most of the times it would bum you out.
But with this guy, it's okay because he's one of the good dudes. And

Speaker 1 he has done stuff. I mean, you're going to remember a lot of this stuff.
Johnny Betts from Private Eye, Taylor Rowlator from 21 Jump Street. You might know him as Glenn from Finish Line.

Speaker 1 You might know him as Jack Passion from Wineta Road.

Speaker 1 Probably not, but you might know him more as Gurney Halleck from Dune or Thanos from Avengers Endgame or

Speaker 1 Dan White for which he was nominated for an Academy Award for 2008's milk. Guys,

Speaker 1 it's the unbelievably talented, the explosion that is my favorite JB Josh Brolin. Oh

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh Josh. It was just hot.

Speaker 2 When you started that resume, I go, what the fuck did the stuff you tried to bury?

Speaker 1 What is he doing? Yeah. Dude, it's rolling.

Speaker 2 All the things that you've never seen and don't remember.

Speaker 1 Welcome our guest. No, I mean, if he just said Goonies, I would have guessed into it.
Well, Frank, I didn't want to say Goonies because I was trying to go old first. And so if I said Goonies,

Speaker 1 fucking Sean would have gone,

Speaker 1 Josh, does Goonies follow you around like Teen Wolf 2 follows me around?

Speaker 2 Yeah, but how proud of Teen Wolves for you?

Speaker 1 It's like honestly. But no, like, are you?

Speaker 2 Like, there was a point, there was a point with Goonies where it was like, please, God, give me another movie, any movie that anybody will see.

Speaker 1 But Goonies was a great film. Teen Wolf 2 had its challenges.
It wasn't for trying. But thank God it has turned into just kitsch

Speaker 1 in our resume, right?

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 it's not just Teen Wolf 2, it's Teen Wolf also. I just want to make the

Speaker 1 T00. This is not a sequel, right?

Speaker 1 I wouldn't dare. I know.

Speaker 2 Are they going to do another one?

Speaker 1 Do you get the Teen Wolf 3 and 3D? It's in deep development, right?

Speaker 1 Who's better than Josh Brolin? I know.

Speaker 1 I am so psyched to settle in with JB. I am so psyched you're here, dude.
So nice to meet you. Let's start with what you guys met on the set of, what was that?

Speaker 1 What was a... Well, we met before a little bit, but we both.

Speaker 1 I didn't want to bring up the Razzie nominated Jonah Hex.

Speaker 1 Wow, no. Did it get a red? You know what?

Speaker 2 Why don't you tell the story, if you're willing to tell the story? Tell the story that you've told me when you were over at my house one day.

Speaker 2 You told me that you were walking by my trailer, and what did you see? Do you remember this?

Speaker 1 It was the end of a long day.

Speaker 1 We were shooting this scene where we came into, we were on horseback. Do you remember that? Josh in that park, and they said

Speaker 1 the old town.

Speaker 1 And John Gallagher and I came in leading. I did not know how to ride a horse.
They taught me. Shocker.
Rode into town. Anyway, so it was like a dusty day.

Speaker 1 We'd been on horseback all day, and I walked by. And Josh had this incredible makeup for Jonah Hex that took hours to put on.
He could barely move. He could speak out of one side of his mouth.

Speaker 1 The other one had this prosthetic on that took forever.

Speaker 2 And that had a hole in the prosthetic.

Speaker 1 And a hole in the prosthetic. So I walked by his trailer, and it's like 6 p.m.
We've been shooting 12 hours. It's hot as fuck in New Orleans, like a thousand degrees.

Speaker 1 And Josh is sitting on the steps of his trailer with a cigarette sticking out of the hole of his prosthetic.

Speaker 2 And I had to put a finger over the hole in order to be able to inhale the cigarette. And I had, what else could I have?

Speaker 1 And he was holding a bottle of whiskey.

Speaker 2 Maker's mark.

Speaker 1 He was holding a bottle of maker's mark in his fucking hand drinking at 11 o'clock in the morning. It sounded like he had a triple banger, too, or a double banger.
It was later than that, but it was.

Speaker 2 And the fact that I blame Jonah Hex on anybody else is a fucking joke other than me.

Speaker 1 I got to see that movie, man. No, you have to.

Speaker 1 It looked handsome. The trailer looked great.
He did look like a cowboy. I will tell you that much.
I was like, this motherfucker came to fucking play.

Speaker 2 Can I tell you a quick story about that, actually?

Speaker 2 So we went to the premiere and we're looking, and the studio kind of took over that movie, and they made it even worse than it already was. And it wasn't that bad, it really wasn't that bad.

Speaker 2 But we left early, as one does at their own premiere, sure. And there was a guy in a wheelchair that left just before me that didn't see that I left behind him when my wife and I left the door.

Speaker 2 And he was thought he was by himself and he was wheeling himself out. And he said, 86 minutes of a waste of fucking life.

Speaker 1 That's really funny. That's the worst review I've ever gotten.
I'd rather lose the other leg than see that shit. Yeah, exactly.
Exactly. It's really funny.
Sorry.

Speaker 1 Will you just want to know? Yeah, go ahead, Josh. I don't want to rein on your parade, but just let me know if it's now or 40 minutes I can talk about Dune because I have 800,000 questions.

Speaker 1 Okay, you can talk about Dune anytime you want.

Speaker 1 You can start now if you want.

Speaker 1 I was going to start a little further back than his most recent project he was working on

Speaker 1 Josh so I wanted to talk man it's so great to have you you're one of the all-time great dudes and I and I really mean that just outside of even the the shit that we do you're a great dude and

Speaker 1 you you started obviously you know you

Speaker 1 your dad was in the business your mom was in the business and so you started with that and yet you kind of took you a minute you didn't start you weren't like a child actor in the sense that like when you were first young you weren't really doing it am i right about that you were kind of outside of l a and then you kind of came back to to it is that sort of yeah I wasn't I wasn't I was born in LA I was born in Santa Monica which goes back five generations I believe

Speaker 2 big St. John's

Speaker 2 where my where my father was born and my grandfather was born holy shit

Speaker 2 and my kid my kid two of my kids were born in st. John's wow so no I was raised I we left the valley

Speaker 2 I believe it was Chatsworth when I was five and we went to Passarobles. My mom was in the business as an assistant casting director, but that was it.
Primarily she was,

Speaker 2 she ran a wildlife way station and took wild animals away from people who had illegally taken them out of the wild and had them jailed.

Speaker 2 My mother was a five-foot three

Speaker 2 Texan blonde tornado.

Speaker 1 I smell a real compelling one-hour episodic. Yeah, right? Yeah.

Speaker 2 And by the way, we just wrote a book that's going to be out in November 19th.

Speaker 2 I didn't really know what the book was, and it's kind of an unconventional memoir, but it's very mother-heavy.

Speaker 1 Fucking

Speaker 1 name of this, really. Plug it.

Speaker 2 It's not, I can't plug it because I'm not allowed to. But yeah, but it is coming out in November, HarperCollins.

Speaker 2 But yeah, man, so my dad was an actor. He stayed in L.A.
most of the time. He went back and forth and drove the four hours to pass a robust.

Speaker 2 So I had no real, I mean, I think I went on his sets i think i went on marcus welby once and i think i went on amateurville horror once and i was up on the catwalk at 11 years old

Speaker 2 where he walked in and i didn't know i didn't know the process we never talked about it so tracy the catwalk is the is the is the permanent uh walkways way up at the top of the soundstage usually like 30 feet away way up at the top so i'm looking down and i'm watching my dad you hear action which i don't even know what that is and he comes in through the door with an axe and goes to another door door

Speaker 2 where somebody's doing off camera to help him out but i don't know that no

Speaker 2 no and he's axing the door and i'm like and it reminded me of this story that i heard once of laura dern saying the first time she ever saw her dad on film was his head rolling down a flight of stairs

Speaker 2 oh my god but i remember that there was no there was never anything i don't have that story of like oh my god when i was four I was doing little plays I made up in my head in front of my family and I just knew at five, this is, yeah, it was none of that.

Speaker 2 So I had no interest in the acting thing. And then ultimately, just to jump forward, I took, I was kind of flunking out of school once we moved to Santa Barbara and I did a...

Speaker 2 an improv class and I didn't even know what it was. It was like you can do underwater basket weaving or improv and I was like, I guess I'll do the improv.

Speaker 2 But really had like a bad taste about the acting things because my dad made money and and then and then spent that money and then we had no money and then we had money and then we had no money and I said why the fuck would anybody want to do that so ultimately I took that class and I remember I was the first person asked to get up and she said so what this is is you create a character and any character you want any character that comes to mind and from the house the students were going to ask you questions and you answer as that character and and i had created some kind of middle-aged new yorker and i don't even know how i knew that at that point, like an overweight, middle-aged, balding New Yorker.

Speaker 2 How old were you? I think I was at that point, maybe

Speaker 2 15, 14, 15.

Speaker 2 And then when I was answered, then there was laughter, right? And that was it. Like, that was so,

Speaker 2 yeah. So it had nothing to do with what I was surrounded by.
If anything, I was never going to be an actor. And it was that kind of drug-induced, the drug of the laughter.

Speaker 1 yeah yeah for sure or that or or the or the attention or the or the you can see that you're good at something like i wonder because i think for any kids people yeah but any kid at right at that age if you put something in front of them that they don't suck at and they get some sort of you know uh charming sort of social status i mean i'm seeing it with my kids now willie i'm sure you are too you know it's like right about this age seven anywhere between 12 and 17 like you're trying like where do i fit in what's my lane what's my group what am i good at what should i never do again?

Speaker 1 And for me, it was the same thing, Josh. It was sort of this acting, like, well, that's where I got my attention.
That's where guys thought I was cool and girls wanted to hang out with me.

Speaker 1 And it could have been anything else. I did this play.
I did 12th Night, Shakespeare's 12th Night in high school. I didn't understand a word I was saying.

Speaker 1 And until there was an audience,

Speaker 1 there's one line that says, I'll make one too. And that's the end of the scene.
And it got a massive laugh.

Speaker 1 16, 17 years old, no idea idea why anybody laughed. And I was like, oh, that's who that character is.
And that's why people are laughing. And then it clicked.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, it's interesting, Jason, what you just said. It's like, until you get that drug, you just don't know what it is.

Speaker 1 I was just thinking about how strange you do something and then people give you a lot of positive feedback. And why would you want to do that?

Speaker 1 You got to be careful what you put in front of your kid at that age because that's what they're going to end up doing. But, Josh, do you, when you, when you did

Speaker 1 like Amityville Horror was damaging to me. Like, I saw that as a kid, and I was like, it was like, it was one of the scariest things I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 You growing up on that set, did you, could you then go back and watch the movie, having experienced filming it, and get immersed into it? Or did you see

Speaker 2 how the sausages were? But not having grown up on the set, only having seen that.

Speaker 1 But even that, even that.

Speaker 2 No, I had no interest, man. I'm telling you, I had no interest.

Speaker 2 And it wasn't until very irresponsibly my dad took me to the theater, the mission theater to see apocalypse now sure yeah yeah yeah which you i mean that was one of those that's one of those immersive things where you're like what the fuck are they doing how old were you when you saw that i was 11.

Speaker 1 11 that's

Speaker 1 i was two and a half

Speaker 1 yeah sorry sorry yeah you were hollywood two and a half fucking seeing that 11 like i don't think i saw well what about jaws i mean jaws was out in what 75

Speaker 1 six. I was six at 75.
And that's why.

Speaker 2 Or Rocky. Do you remember seeing Rocky? Oh, yes.

Speaker 1 And like the fact that he doesn't win the fight, but it's a great, big, happy ending. I was just like, how do you pull that magic trick off? Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1 All right, back to the show.

Speaker 1 So, Josh, so then what happens? And you were like, first of all, I don't want to, it's kind of two questions. When you were up there, you were kind of,

Speaker 1 you surfed a lot. That played a big part in your life, right? You were a big-time surfer.
That took a lot of your time. You had a whole gang of pals

Speaker 1 who you surfed with.

Speaker 1 And then you kind of, and then you get goonies. And

Speaker 1 what's that like?

Speaker 1 How did that come about? Because that was your first thing, really, right?

Speaker 2 Everything's super morbid. If I, every story, I tell you, thank God for you guys.

Speaker 1 Damn, I'm a turkey chat. Welcome to the party.
By the way, morbid podcasts are like the best. They do the best on the charts.
Sorry, Ramana.

Speaker 2 We got Josh Brolin.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 what the fuck?

Speaker 2 Yeah, what, so I grew up with these guys that called themselves, we called ourselves, I'll include myself in that, the Cito Rats. And most of those guys, 37 out of probably 50 of us are dead now.

Speaker 2 And that was the beginning of the punk rock era. That was an amazing time.
It was an electric time. It was a fun time.

Speaker 2 But I got kicked out of my house at 16 and I went down to,

Speaker 2 I lived on my dad's couch.

Speaker 1 Wait, what was the fence?

Speaker 2 The fence is my mouth. You know, I just got myself in a lot of it.

Speaker 1 It cost me a few scrolls.

Speaker 2 Words. Yeah, exactly.
So,

Speaker 2 yeah, my mom said, it's time for you to leave. And I left and

Speaker 2 I stayed with my dad who was living with his girlfriend in this apartment. And this was an attempt to kind of get my shit together.
So I made up a resume.

Speaker 2 I started doing martial arts, which one does when you try to get your shit together.

Speaker 2 And I was fairly decent at that. And I started competing, doing that.
And at the same time, I made up. My dad said, why don't you like try and like work a little bit? Why don't you do theater?

Speaker 2 Why don't you do that? And I was like, oh, yeah, I could do that. And I made up a resume.
It was 100% made up. And I went from agent to agent trying to get an agent.

Speaker 2 And, you know, saying that I was at, like, I had done streetcar at the Librero International Theater.

Speaker 1 There is no Librero International Theater. Sure, sure.

Speaker 2 And at the same time, I did see Streetcar and I saw East of Eden. And those two movies had a major impact.
Anyway, somebody, Hillary Shore, took me on,

Speaker 2 even though she knew the whole resume was bullshit. And she took me on.
And I probably had back then, you know, when you would do auditions, you would go to three or four auditions in a day. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, and I think I did around 350 auditions before I met Dick Donner and Steven Spielberg. Wow.
Didn't really know who they were, but that was a six-audition process before they said.

Speaker 1 See? With nothing but a fucking Thomas Guide and a lot of hope, right? A bunch of headshots, yeah. It's an accident.
Yeah. And I wasn't good.

Speaker 2 I can't say I was good. I've said, and the same goes to today.
You know, if you do Dune with a certain director, it's going to be a certain thing, somebody who understands what take to use, whatever.

Speaker 2 And then if you do Dune with Denis Villeneuve, it's going to, you know,

Speaker 2 the foundation,

Speaker 2 the worst it's going to be is still really good.

Speaker 1 Well, so actually, talk about that. And now we're going into Dune, Sean.
And but I do want to say as a sort of entree to that, that's a really interesting point,

Speaker 1 Josh, that you can go and do something.

Speaker 1 And part of the reason that people like you choose directors and choose projects are because you say, I want to be with that person because I believe that I'm in good hands.

Speaker 1 I believe that A, that the script's good. I believe that their vision of it executing is good.

Speaker 1 And that the way that they're from start to finish, from, from casting to shooting to editing to all of that kind of stuff, that they're going to do something that I believe, that I trust in, right?

Speaker 1 Like, because you're putting your trust in that process.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but I also think, you know, just to kind of preface it. And then more up your alley, Sean, is that, you know, theater, I met a guy named Anthony Zerbe.

Speaker 2 And Anthony Zerbe was one of the great Shakespearean actors, maybe the lesser known. And he had a poetry thing that he did, which I can't think of anything more boring.

Speaker 2 I don't know if you remember Cafe Lalo back in the day on like Fairfax. And

Speaker 2 like Steve Baldwin would go and read his poetry. And it was all just super dumb.

Speaker 2 And I met a guy around that time named Anthony Zerbe. And Anthony Zerbe and Roscoe Lee Brown, the great Roscoe Lee Brown, would do an hour and a half of poetry.

Speaker 2 And I saw it and it fucking blew my mind. The fact that they had such a command over the language and they understood pause, they understood cadence, they understood weight and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 So I got together with Anthony and I started doing theater in Rochester, New York. And I did five seasons of theater in Rochester, New York.
So

Speaker 2 when you get that kind of vibe, what you were talking about back from the audience, and you're, and, you know, when a play is not very good and yet chemistry is really good with another actor, and then that can kind of send the play in a different place, and you see people crying, and you see people laughing, you know, again, that's the addiction.

Speaker 2 You're like, oh, there's response here, and there's, you know, there's kind of movie books.

Speaker 1 Do you have a favorite of those plays back when you're doing it?

Speaker 2 I did a play that never went anywhere called Pitts and Joe, and it was a guy with traumatic brainstem injury that had gotten into a motorcycle accident. It was based in Truth.
Wow.

Speaker 2 And this woman wrote it about her and her brother. And I did one of those things where back when you wanted to be Daniel Day Lewis or whoever, you know,

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 I went into the care center that Joe was at, and I checked in.

Speaker 2 I met with the head of the care center, I met with like the five heads, the psychology head, and all that. And I said, I really want to live in here as one of these people for a couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 Can you not tell anybody else that I'm actually not one of them? I'm going to see if I can pull it off.

Speaker 2 And I remember that, like, after the second day, there was somebody, I was trying, I was smoking or something, something or trying to smoke or put a cigarette in my mouth.

Speaker 2 And a nurse came up to me and she said, Josh, you can't, you're not a lot. And she was screaming in my ear and I wanted to say, shut the fuck up.
Just like, I'm acting.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 She bought a ticket to the opening night. Yeah.

Speaker 2 There was the head of the psychology that

Speaker 2 there, he hated me. And he hated what I was doing.
And I was waiting by myself to have my,

Speaker 2 you know, two cigarettes of the day and he walked by me and it was just he and I and he he whispered or he kind of like you know snarky

Speaker 2 said as he was walking by he said Joe would never do that and I remember I remember I felt a rage

Speaker 2 and it was the rage that I felt and then the connection between if Joe feels a rage he would never be able to get up so therefore I can't get up

Speaker 2 and that was what I needed to go play that I love that interesting I love that.

Speaker 1 Have you stayed that kind of a researching actor, or have you found that, you know, what you've got, what you've absorbed in your life gives you enough of a toolbox to apply to any character that you're attracted to nowadays?

Speaker 1 I think both.

Speaker 2 And I think what I'm going through right now, you know, I've been very lucky to be offered a lot of really nice things recently.

Speaker 2 And I think the hunger right now is to kind of go back to 2008 or 2000 or go back to that theater experience because I miss having to do or feeling like I have to do the research.

Speaker 1 Well, I tell you something about the research. It reminded me, Josh, of a story you told me years ago where you,

Speaker 1 when you did No Country for Old Man, which is just such a spectacular research. My favorite

Speaker 1 is so, so good. And you're so good at it.

Speaker 1 And I remember we were talking, maybe it was when we were doing Jonah Hex, but you were saying there's that scene early on where you go into, and the motorcycle accident reminded me of this, where you got to shoot the guy and you take your boot off to level the gun.

Speaker 1 Am I remembering that correctly?

Speaker 2 Yeah, because I had gotten to it. Yeah, yeah, I got into a motorcycle.

Speaker 1 And you didn't tell them, tell these guys what I want to do.

Speaker 2 No, two days after I got, so I was doing this small movie with Brittany Murphy,

Speaker 2 and I was having to go from, I had gotten no country, and there was no way I was going to get no country.

Speaker 2 I even read for no country, and their only response, because I was doing a movie at the time, we sent in the video, and their only response was, who lit it?

Speaker 1 So they didn't even comment on my animal.

Speaker 2 They just thought it was really well lit.

Speaker 2 And then I got in there as the last reading. And

Speaker 2 I got that part. You know, they asked me that afternoon, would you be interested in playing this part?

Speaker 1 And I was like, well, hold on.

Speaker 1 Let me think about it.

Speaker 2 And then I got into a motorcycle accident two days later, going from one wardrobe fitting to the other. And I snapped my collarbone in half.

Speaker 2 And I called them and I said, and I had prepped the doctor. I said, look, you know, Ethan wants to talk to the doctor to find out how bad it really is.

Speaker 2 And I told the doctor, you need to tell them it's a hairline fracture. I tried to become as intimidating as I could possibly become.

Speaker 2 I was like, you're not going to be a doctor anymore if you don't say these words in this way.

Speaker 2 And it turned out that the only reason I was able to do the role was because Llewellyn gets shot in the right shoulder. Had it been the left shoulder, I couldn't have done it.

Speaker 2 So he gets, so we're in the beginning of the movie, he puts the, he's supposed to be standing up and shooting at the antelope, and I couldn't do it.

Speaker 2 I couldn't lift up the, because literally it had only been two weeks since I snapped my collarbone and I was letting it heal naturally.

Speaker 2 So I called somebody and there was somebody who knew a sniper in Vietnam and how could I hold the gun?

Speaker 1 I love that you called somebody who knew a sniper. Sure.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I tend to know those people.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So yeah, so that's why the boot is, I took my boot up and the Cohen brothers seem to like that as sort of a character choice that you would use the boot or was the boot off camera?

Speaker 2 No, you see it. No, the boot's on camera.
And they like that just because it it was it was viable.

Speaker 1 He takes his fucking boot off

Speaker 1 and then he he balances the gun on his fucking boot because he literally can't hold it by hands.

Speaker 1 While we're there, before we get to Sean's Dune Fiesta,

Speaker 1 anything about the Cohen brothers are just, you know, like every other person in this industry, they, they are my North Star and like, they can do no wrong.

Speaker 1 I just, I can't, yeah, to work with them, I'm just so like, I'll take anything you can give me about what that experience is like.

Speaker 2 It's so, you know, it's funny because I've tried to make it, you know, in the past, and you're on talk shows and you're like, tell me about the Cohens.

Speaker 1 Like, tell me a funny story.

Speaker 2 And there's not, they're so fucking normal.

Speaker 1 Right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 The greatest thing that I, you know, I've done three, three movies in a short with the Cohens.

Speaker 2 And the greatest thing I ever got from them was after every scene I've ever done, especially in the beginning, with the exception of one story that I'll tell you, I've never, ever gotten a great scene.

Speaker 2 I've never gotten a thumbs up.

Speaker 1 Great job. Really? It's just the moving on is the

Speaker 2 literally moving on and looking up and seeing their backs walking away to the next set.

Speaker 1 No way. Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 at best, it's like, hey, what'd you think? Like maybe later on, I'd go, you know, what'd you think of that scene? And they go, man.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Like, basically, it's got, it's, we got what we need.
Right. And you did your job correctly, which is why we hired.

Speaker 1 That was my dad's reaction growing up. That was your dad.

Speaker 2 There's a trauma in it.

Speaker 1 He didn't have it.

Speaker 1 How would you know what his reaction was?

Speaker 1 Unless you could read his mind through the rearview mirror, you know. You can read people's minds from 50 miles away.

Speaker 2 Woody Harrelson was the only guy who couldn't remember his lines during no country. And we had that scene in the hospital together, and he talks the majority of the time.

Speaker 2 And he couldn't get through his fucking lines.

Speaker 2 And then when finally he did one take where he kind of stumbled through his lines, and then I saw the Cohens come from behind set, and they looked at him and they go, wow. That was amazing.

Speaker 2 And I was like, you got to be fucking kidding me.

Speaker 1 This dude's literally sputtering through his shit. You're holding his cue card.
Like, it's nothing.

Speaker 1 Nothing.

Speaker 1 They were just happy they got a take. Let's be honest.

Speaker 1 Wait, so Dune, so

Speaker 1 here we go. Okay, so wait, so arrival.

Speaker 1 So is the sand real? Let's just start.

Speaker 2 So, okay, I'm so bored.

Speaker 1 Can I talk about Dune? Do you get sand in your eyes? Did you say that? No, by the way, is it real? Is it a real place?

Speaker 2 Is it a real place? Yes.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 it's one of No Country for Old Men is one of my favorite movies, too. But Dune, I can't get it.
First of all, Arrival is one of my favorite movies as well. Yeah, me too.
Cool, me too.

Speaker 1 So clever and well-made, and the script is amazing at the direction of everything. Tell them

Speaker 1 why it's connected. Tell Tracy why that's connected, Jean.
Oh, because he directed the same director, directed Arrival as Denny Villanova. Right.
And so, yeah. And so,

Speaker 1 Dune,

Speaker 2 you also directed Sicario, by the way.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and you were also great in that. Me too.

Speaker 1 I want to get him.

Speaker 1 Well, after Dune, I want to get into Sicario. Okay, so wait,

Speaker 1 I want to know, just like Jason said, what is like the Ethan's, what's it like on that set?

Speaker 1 I mean, are they sets? Are you really in the desert? Like, how much of it is it real? How much of it isn't?

Speaker 2 Most of it, most of it is practical. Most of it is.

Speaker 1 Let's just

Speaker 1 pause the internet. Well, because it looks like it's really in the desert.

Speaker 1 It does, doesn't it?

Speaker 1 Please go off.

Speaker 1 What part gave you that impression? Was it the desert?

Speaker 1 Would they be spending less money if they just green screen the whole goddamn thing? Or would that maybe be a little bit more?

Speaker 2 It's actually really sweet because he's like

Speaker 2 a full fanboy right now.

Speaker 1 I'm a massive, massive fan. Ask him to stand up.
You can see his pants. You're so good at this.

Speaker 1 And then have him pan his camera right, and you'll see Scotty just in full pole mode.

Speaker 1 Go ahead. Next question, Sean.
Gash. Go ahead and finish Scotty off with the next one.

Speaker 1 Hilarious. Wait, so isn't it, by the way, isn't it wild that you guys had to hold the release because of the strike? Speaking of holding the release in March, is that what it is?

Speaker 2 Yeah, was that why? Yeah. And then we and then we went back for reshoots in the first one during the pandemic, which we hadn't.

Speaker 1 We did it before the pandemic. What is it? Tell me what it's like working with him.
And

Speaker 1 is it the opposite of the Ethens? Of the Cohens, I mean, well, he's also Canadian, is he not, Denny?

Speaker 2 He is. He's French Canadian.
Right.

Speaker 1 So he's incredibly kind and probably effusive with his compliments. Thank you.
Right? He's coming up, giving you a little high-five at the end of a good day.

Speaker 2 He is actually.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but what I was going to say about the Cohens thing is that taught me a great thing, and I don't really look for that anymore. I don't.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But I mean, what he's accomplished in U2 in Dune is like, it's hard to get the tone and the feel and the actors and the script and the sets and just everything works perfectly.

Speaker 1 It creates a world that we haven't seen.

Speaker 2 It's very collaborative, you know. And if I can go back to Sicario for a second, you know, I had turned down because he wasn't really an established director director at that point.

Speaker 2 He had done ASAN D. He had done one American film with Hugh Jackman.
What was that film called?

Speaker 1 Not Passengers, Not Visitors. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 About

Speaker 2 Jake Jill and Hall, which was actually really good. But I said, I don't know why, because I think it was a really small part.
Anyway, to get through this.

Speaker 1 Was Bob Ellswood on board yet? I mean,

Speaker 1 wasn't

Speaker 1 Deacons. Oh, was it Deacons that did it?

Speaker 2 It was Deacons.

Speaker 2 And I had worked with Deacons a couple of times. And

Speaker 2 it was also Benicio, and and it was Emily Blunt. And anyway, I said no.
I said no twice. And I don't know why.

Speaker 2 And he called me and he said what every director says and lies about, which is we're going to expand this role. Right.
Like what it is right now is not really what it's going to be.

Speaker 2 And you're like, well, you're full of shit because I've heard that from everybody. But the truth is, and whether it was just kind of happened this way because of fate or whatever, you know,

Speaker 2 it was so expanded. and it was so, once we got on set, it was like such a vibe that all came from him, which was, this isn't working, so let's work on this, or I'm going to knock on your trailer door.

Speaker 2 Benicio doesn't want to talk anymore. He thinks you should talk because you like to talk.
And I'm like, I'm a different fucking character, but we need this exposition. How can we make it behavioral?

Speaker 2 So on and so forth. So it became a very, very collaborative process.

Speaker 2 So that's what I get doing, you know, Denis is my good, good friend now, but he's he's a guy who I would work on anything with because that kind of collaborative effort to me is the top.

Speaker 1 But Sean, but Sean points out, like, Sicario, you know, is about a world that exists, right? Like this, it's a reflection of this real world, maybe height, maybe not.

Speaker 1 I don't really know, but like of this thing.

Speaker 1 Things like Dune, as Sean pointed out,

Speaker 1 it's world building, right? It's creating a world. It's creating a whole thing.
It's so hard to get right. Yeah, no kidding.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but there was a guy, Zev Boro, who I know from New York, and he's my good buddy, and he read through that whole series three times when he was a kid.

Speaker 2 So he knows it as well as anybody, as well as Denis does, you know. And when he saw the movie, I kind of snuck him in in Santa Fe when I saw the first one.
And there was a pause after the movie ended.

Speaker 2 And this guy's a 48-year-old guy, and he stood up and he started screaming, yes!

Speaker 1 That's it.

Speaker 1 Yes!

Speaker 1 Fuck yes! That's great. What do they call him? What are they? His nickname, Zeb the Virgin, right? I mean, he read through all three.

Speaker 1 Zev the Virgin. Wait,

Speaker 1 now that you've had all the success and you've been working for so many years and you told us the story about how, you know, your dad had money, then didn't have money, had money, then didn't have money.

Speaker 1 And so it kind of left you in a weird place probably growing up. How are you with money now and handling it?

Speaker 1 Are you more responsible and you try to teach your kids about the responsibility of money?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's an ongoing subject about where we live and what that promotes And what that, you know, given that I grew up on a ranch, given that we have a ranch that's three miles away from the ranch I grew up on, that I take my kids there a lot.

Speaker 2 I take my kids right now. They haven't been to the set very much, but I take them wherever we shoot.
You know, I have a 30-year-old, a 35-year-old, a three-year-old, and a five-year-old.

Speaker 1 That's crazy.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 what kind of grandfather skills does he have? What kind of grandma skills does Babs have? I mean,

Speaker 1 what are these family get-togethers like?

Speaker 2 You know, there's a real,

Speaker 2 for lack of a better word, hard-on for my, for my, for my kids, my young kids, with

Speaker 2 said

Speaker 2 grandparents.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and really quick, just for my sister, and I'm just saying this for my sister, Josh.

Speaker 2 Yes, she does. No, you're not.

Speaker 1 Your dad is James Brawlin, who's married to Barbara Streisand. Nursed.
Really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, you're not. She's all about it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's amazing. That's it.

Speaker 1 Go dad.

Speaker 1 It's for my sister and for my sister, Tracy.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 they're keyed in on these two. Was it different than

Speaker 1 the first two kids? Like they got it. I think so.

Speaker 2 I think in my first two kids, definitely, you know, they laugh at it now where they were like, you know, we're still here, by the way.

Speaker 2 But the young kids are very cute. And I think that they're at an age now where things have slowed down enough where you start to appreciate those familiarity, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 1 That's great. What would you say is the biggest difference between your fathering on the first two versus the second two?

Speaker 1 What if you have

Speaker 1 a little lighter blend

Speaker 1 on your hydration this round?

Speaker 2 I mean, that's just the fucking truth, man. I mean, I was in and out and that kind of thing.
But, you know, I mean, and I think it's okay to say this, even though it's an anonymous program.

Speaker 2 My son's sober. My daughter's married to a sober dude.
That's great. My wife's sober.

Speaker 1 I love that. I love that.
Right. So they, well, they, so they learned a lot from your, your, your mistakes or your

Speaker 1 hopefully, yeah. In all honesty.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? I think we were all pretty open. I tried not to let the thing cross over, and it did cross over a few times.
And we talk about it, but it's a very open, open dialogue with us.

Speaker 1 When you mentioned about you getting kicked out at 16 years old because of your mouth and stuff,

Speaker 1 do you recognize the signs in any of your kids that they kind of

Speaker 1 might repeat the same behavior that you did when you were?

Speaker 2 No, because I think mine was so extreme that

Speaker 2 it was definitely a warning light. Yeah.
As opposed to, let me try and emulate that to see if I can pull that off.

Speaker 1 Uh-huh, right, right.

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Speaker 1 You know what? You know what's funny, Josh, is the other day I was reading this story in the Wall Street Journal. These guys don't know what that is, but

Speaker 1 there was a story about

Speaker 1 weed.

Speaker 1 There was a story about weed, and it was saying how they've seen an uptick in

Speaker 1 kids having psychotic breaks as a result of cannabis as compared to 10, 20 years ago.

Speaker 1 So I send it to my ex. I text it to Amy like immediately, and she goes, why are you sending me this? And our older sons are 13 and 15.

Speaker 1 And I go, because weed is very readily available, and there are things around, and blah, blah, blah, and I'm very nervous about it. Like, I just had this, like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 But I understand.

Speaker 2 It was like, remember back in the 70s? I remember

Speaker 2 I was a friend of my dad's in Pastor Obel's, and

Speaker 2 I was on the floor or something, and I looked under his bed, and I found a drawer, a pot, and I rolled it up in some writing paper and tried to smoke it when I got home when I was like eight or nine.

Speaker 2 But even if I was able to smoke it,

Speaker 2 the high would have been, you wouldn't have been that high.

Speaker 1 Right. You smoke a full joint nowadays.
You've got a coffee. Oh, you're one hit nowadays.
Yeah. Oh, no, no, no.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Before I got sober, I remember I loved the idea of dispensaries, and I loved the idea behind

Speaker 2 the science in it all. And I was like, What does this do? And where is this? And how do you make this?

Speaker 1 I'm in it for the science, too. Yeah, I know.
I get it.

Speaker 2 But there was a guy, he was from Poland, and we kind of would go through this whole thing. And I would pretend like I didn't smoke because I didn't really love smoking very much.

Speaker 2 And then I would give it to my friends. But then one night I was home alone, and I was supposed to read this

Speaker 2 essay that my daughter had done. And I went outside, and I was like, Well, maybe I'll try it.
I'll just try a little bit. And I took a little hit, and I got too much smoke.
And then I coughed it out.

Speaker 2 And by the time I had exhaled, I was convinced that there were crosshairs from across the building on my head. And I was slowly lowering behind my head.

Speaker 1 You already crawled back into the house.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and then I tried to read the essay, and I read the same first line about 125 times.

Speaker 1 And that was one hit, man. Right.

Speaker 1 So I get it. You needed to get into the edibles.
It's heavy-duty Seanish. Whatever.
Sean, I love it when Sean gets...

Speaker 1 I love it. Well, Jason, Jason,

Speaker 1 his book is coming out, and it's about edibles, but he hasn't read the first. He's written the first line 120 times.
Sean,

Speaker 1 when Sean gets on weed, it is my favorite. When you take...
Gets on weed. Who's old?

Speaker 1 But when Sean smokes weed or takes an edible, it's the funniest.

Speaker 1 It makes me laugh, Sean.

Speaker 1 Well, I get like

Speaker 1 getting to the hospital. And I get spurts of little energy.
But wait, like when I was a kid, I was so afraid of doing anything wrong.

Speaker 1 Like I was, I remember I was scared about having a library book out too long, and I thought I was going to get in massive trouble. Where does it come?

Speaker 1 Where does that come from where you're like, yeah, I'll try this. I'll do this.
I'll get in this trouble. I'll beat the shit out of this kid.
I'll smoke this stuff.

Speaker 2 I never beat the shit out of a kid. I was never that guy.
You know, I bullies, maybe, but I was never, even though we all fought a lot. But

Speaker 2 that was the culture.

Speaker 1 That was the culture that I grew up in in punk rock and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 Back when parents were doing blow instead of barring.

Speaker 1 Imagine what a bummer it would be to get into a fight with Brolin. It would fucking suck.
At any age,

Speaker 1 I bet at eight he could really square you up.

Speaker 1 I went over there. I went over to Brolyn.
Remember, I came over and tried your cold punch like five years ago, and we got in the fucking cold punch. And he's a couple years older me.

Speaker 1 I was like, look how fucking stacked this motherfucker is now.

Speaker 1 How old are you, Josh? Baby. See, theory's just cut to ribbons.

Speaker 1 Are you in better shape now than you've ever been in your life? I'll bet you. No,

Speaker 2 I was in better shape during Dune than I've been in in a very, very long time. I think

Speaker 2 when I did Deadpool 2, I think that's the best shape I did.

Speaker 1 I've got Deadpool 2. Sean, cool it.
Did you say anything? But do you still do the martial arts? And have you ever, and or would you, and can I promote you and Downey fighting each other?

Speaker 2 I would do that. I was just with Downey, and we were talking about you two days ago.

Speaker 1 I'm going to fucking love to set that up. Wait, can I get in on that, Arnett? Yeah, I'm doing it.
Writing down Downey Brolin fighting.

Speaker 1 well let's do it in uh do we think vegas atlantic city or what about laughlin laughlin would be kind of kitschy right

Speaker 2 remember remember that wasn't there like an animated thing like celebrity fights or something like that

Speaker 2 was like a claymation thing yeah look it up afterwards it was super fun i'd like to make that a reality

Speaker 2 oh that's right there was a claymation show yeah i'm bored with the acting i want to celebrities out

Speaker 1 there's our clip

Speaker 1 i would i am backing you bro and you're my fucking dog in this one. Wait, Josh, do you know Brendan Shanahan? He's a friend of Will's.
He's a hockey player. He's a hockey player.

Speaker 1 Retired hockey player, president of the Toronto May Bleeves, one of the all-time great guys. So Will and Brendan and I were out to dinner.
This is a few weeks ago.

Speaker 1 And I said to Brendan Shanahan, who's been in a thousand fights on the ice rink. He holds the record for the most, what they call Gordy Howe hat-tricks, which is goal assistant fight in the game.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 So I told him, I always had this little tiny, tiny, tiny bit of a fantasy of getting in a fight because I've never been in a fist fight, right? Mostly on the receiving end, right?

Speaker 1 Just getting beat to shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Literally, hockey fights where you just grab somebody.

Speaker 1 What if you pull my hair right before you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like that.
You know, that's what I'm doing. By the way, it's borderline fetish, but go ahead.

Speaker 1 No, no, just because I don't know.

Speaker 1 Pardon me just wants to know what that feels like. And so Brendan, Brendan takes me out.
Yeah. So Brendan takes me out and grabs me.

Speaker 1 And he's teaching me how to fight.

Speaker 1 And I can't stop smiling because I think it's so funny. And he goes, first of all, wipe that fucking smile off your face if you're going to get into a fight.

Speaker 1 And how'd you feel? How'd you feel when he said that? You guys

Speaker 1 made me laugh harder. Yeah, stop looking like you're going to enjoy this, goddammit.

Speaker 1 So he grabs me in some crazy hold in two seconds flat, I can't move my entire body. Oh, yeah.
And he's like, this is, you would be dead. So you had just beat the shit out of your face.

Speaker 1 He had his arm wrapped around me.

Speaker 1 So, and then I would just start filling you in like this and he just starts going this sean's laughing and he did say by the way it's at the back entrance that little back side door behind the polo lounge there's nothing more elitist than that

Speaker 1 than that scenario

Speaker 2 what about what about uh uh uh mma kind of stuff are you training with that too like could you is that is that your skill set or is it more uh martial arts i think it was martial arts no longer even though i know that like the gracies have become good friends and through laird hamilton and all that and I have massive respect for them.

Speaker 2 But no, I think the getting in shape, MMA, you know, Dana White's a really close friend of mine. I love MMA.
I've always loved boxing.

Speaker 2 I didn't think MMA would last or UFC would last and it has and it's incredible and I get very into it, have a lot of guys come over to my house.

Speaker 2 We just built this extra kind of MMA barn that we can watch MMA on what?

Speaker 1 What time? What time? What time? I'll invite you.

Speaker 1 You know what's funny, Josh, is all this stuff, and you do a lot of this stuff, and you're very in shape and whatever.

Speaker 1 But, you know, over the last couple of years, I've noticed, and I think you mentioned going to, you know, listen to poetry years ago. But anybody who follows you on Instagram or anybody who

Speaker 1 gets texts from you.

Speaker 1 you know, talking about your day or the things that you're grateful for, i.e. gratitude lists, knows that

Speaker 1 you've kind of like veered into that. As much of a guy, you like to sort of of mix it up.
You've also become quite, and maybe this is just a result of older age and having younger kids again.

Speaker 1 You've become quite ponderous. You've become quite,

Speaker 1 you're really appreciating the world around you in a way that's that's pretty astounding. I know.
I'm going to make out with you now, too. He's got that soft, chewy sound.

Speaker 1 It's true, man.

Speaker 1 You do. Like every day you talk about, and you talk about things you're really open about appreciating your wife, loving your wife, loving your kids.
You're really open about it.

Speaker 1 And I think there's something super, super, super nice and vulnerable and beautiful about that.

Speaker 2 Thanks. I appreciate that very much.
I don't think it's a new thing, but I think it's ramped up recently because I love the idea

Speaker 2 of contrast.

Speaker 2 And the fact that I'm, you know, that I ride a vintage motorcycle or with a group of dudes or the fact that, you know, I'm perceived as this scrappy, gnarly, whatever

Speaker 1 ultraman, the last man in Hollywood.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 But then what is it?

Speaker 1 It should be noted that Josh is smiling when he says that.

Speaker 1 I am smiling.

Speaker 2 I love the idea of contrasting that with,

Speaker 2 because

Speaker 2 there is an incredible sensitivity, and I do love my kids. I will be raising.
I had my first kid when I was 20, and my youngest, I'll be 70 when she graduates high school.

Speaker 2 And I love it, man. I love it in the right way.

Speaker 1 What would be the contrasting thing that would surprise most people?

Speaker 1 What is the softest thing that you do on the street? Okay,

Speaker 2 here's a story. Here's a story.
And I don't know if this is the best story to tell, but the story, when we went to Atlanta and

Speaker 2 during the pandemic, we kind of moved to Atlanta where my wife is from.

Speaker 2 And, you know, nothing against Atlanta, but when I got to Atlanta, I realized I was in Atlanta. I didn't realize Atlanta was in Atlanta, so I couldn't stay.

Speaker 2 But I was sitting there, and it's such a nice house, and I'm looking out the window, and I see this kind of barrel-chested, tattooed, huge goateed, tattooed, you know, guy in the middle of my yard and he's kind of looking up at a tree.

Speaker 2 And I go, who the fuck is that? And I open the door and I go, hey, man. And he looks at me and he goes, hey.

Speaker 2 And I go, yeah, what the fuck are you doing in my yard? And he goes, and he looks at me and there's a long pause and he goes, I'm your gardener.

Speaker 1 And I go, oh, fuck, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 And I went down there and I started talking to him.

Speaker 2 And within 15 minutes, and I'm not kidding, I'm not exaggerating, within 15 minutes, here and I are in a total embrace, tears falling down our cheeks.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 And it turns out that he's 24 years sober. He runs the biggest sober biker club that's an international biker club in the world.

Speaker 1 That's amazing.

Speaker 2 He's one of my best friends now.

Speaker 1 I love that.

Speaker 2 So I love the idea of this cosmetic thing that you immediately judge and then underneath it is whatever we do.

Speaker 1 I love that. Well, the biggest compliment I can give you is: I've never met you before.
This is the first time.

Speaker 1 And you're completely, I feel completely at ease with you. I feel like I've known you forever.
You seem so open and just normal, down to earth, and honest. Please put me in a chokehold.

Speaker 1 And can you please put me in a chokehold?

Speaker 2 Maybe the best time joke of all time.

Speaker 2 and I want to spoon with you

Speaker 2 are you in New York by the way are you in Sean are you in New York I'm in Los Angeles you're in Los Angeles my wife saw your play I did not admittedly but my wife saw your play which I heard

Speaker 2 you were truly a revelation

Speaker 1 it was honestly it was so no I know Sean fuck off

Speaker 1 it was so good it deserves to get mentioned whenever whenever we talk about it was so so damn good oh speaking of Josh you got any horrible horrible, tragic theater stories?

Speaker 1 Something that just went horribly wrong?

Speaker 2 You know, no, man, but just theater, theater is such a, it's a funny thing. You know, it's like my experience of theater is like, you fucking people in Hollywood, you know,

Speaker 2 you're such phonies. You're such fakes.
You don't understand the real thing.

Speaker 2 And then that person three days later, you'll see it in like an El Pollo loco commercial.

Speaker 1 Right, exactly.

Speaker 1 Or they're, I'm coming out in March for pilot season. You got an extra bag.
Yeah, literally.

Speaker 2 I find it

Speaker 2 the most hypocritical society I've ever,

Speaker 2 you know what I mean? And I love it. And I just wrote a play, and we're trying to get that play done in Ojai.
And it's really good.

Speaker 2 But I'm reminded again and again how much I hate the theater community. I'm just kidding.
I'm totally kidding.

Speaker 1 He's totally kidding.

Speaker 1 One of my favorite questions, and we'll let you go, is with all of the incredible set experience that you have and all the incredible directors you've worked with, have you ever been tempted to take all of that which you've cherry-picked from them and sit in the chair yourself and direct something?

Speaker 2 You know, it's funny you would bring this up, and I'm curious why you would bring it up because I was going to bring it up regardless of whether you brought it up or not. But I reached out to you

Speaker 2 when I directed an episode of Outer Range, which is something that I did with

Speaker 2 Amazon. Yeah.
A very strange kind of western, contemporary western.

Speaker 2 And, you you know it's something that i've always wanted to do i've directed theater i've never directed i directed a short but i've never directed something that was substantial and with money and and i reached out to you and i said you were just thinking about it at the time weren't you i was thinking about it at the time and i reached out to you and i said you know do you have any advice for me and which i thought was really interesting like why why would i reach out to you so obviously that my respect for you who do you think you've called no but i i love that i reached out to you and you said a great thing.

Speaker 2 You were like, don't

Speaker 2 focus on the day players. You said, don't forget about the day players.
That was one bit of advice that you gave me. But you were so sweet and so kind of you kind of.

Speaker 1 And Tracy, the day players are the actors that are doing the parts that are not the starring roles.

Speaker 2 Maybe one line, three lines.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sometimes they're cast right from the local city that you're shooting in. And, you know,

Speaker 1 there's an instinct sometimes for them to potentially overplay their scene because they're only in a couple of scenes and sometimes as a director.

Speaker 2 Which can take you right out of a scene.

Speaker 1 Right, yeah. And so is a director.

Speaker 2 Which is your point, I think.

Speaker 1 Right. So how did that go?

Speaker 2 Really, really well.

Speaker 2 And I have to say that directing, and I know a lot of probably actors feel like this, it wasn't an opportunity to finally do the thing that I wanted to do that no director wouldn't let me do.

Speaker 2 But it was more that the myriad interests that I've had in my lifetime that I never really understood all made sense suddenly.

Speaker 2 It was like I can utilize everything I've ever been interested and everything that I've wanted to randomly learn and didn't know why

Speaker 2 now makes perfect sense.

Speaker 2 When you're available to somebody in the way that they need you to be available, which changes from actor to actor and,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 um staff member staff, whatever, you know, DP or whatever, and say, how can I be most helpful as opposed to how can I make my mark and utilize, use my power because now I finally have it?

Speaker 1 Right, right. Exactly.
Are you thinking about doing it again, perhaps?

Speaker 2 I think out of that has come a real interest in

Speaker 2 finding foreign directors right now and finding projects like that and really focusing on

Speaker 2 another echelon of great directors. And yes.

Speaker 2 I would like to think that I would further that. I think it would be dumb not to.
I think the only reason why it wouldn't happen is out of fear.

Speaker 2 And I'm kind of at 55, I'm kind of done with the idea of fear.

Speaker 1 But I was going to say, you know, the thing that Jason says to a lot of people, and he talks about experience on set, and you've been doing it a long time,

Speaker 1 you do have so much experience and you do have such a point of view.

Speaker 1 And that's important as a director, obviously, as you all, as we all know.

Speaker 1 And I'm surprised that it's not something that you're like actively doing more because you do have such a strong point of view.

Speaker 3 And know-how, an incredible experience.

Speaker 1 And incredible experience and comfort on set in order to lead, you know.

Speaker 2 But I think it's also the fact, and I think this has to do with raising kids, is you're not afraid to be wrong because you understand that wrong doesn't really pertain.

Speaker 2 You just have to make a decision and you have to allow other people to be able to lean on you and stand behind your decisions and know that it's not going to be perfect and know that you're going to have to compensate and know that you may have to fix some things in editing and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 I just think it's another, it's kind of like photography. It's one of those things that you know you'll never master.

Speaker 2 And i love the idea of having to pursue something that you'll never master yeah yeah yeah yeah i love that amen

Speaker 1 uh well dude we could talk to you forever honestly i love you guys i've loved this time yeah yeah thank you for saying yes and doing this with us yeah thank you it's been a long time coming thank you for having me i'm a massive fan thanks sean you're one of the all-time you're one of the all-timers jb love you miss you dude yeah miss you guys too thank you very much for this time honestly thank you

Speaker 2 it was nutritious

Speaker 1 Have a great rest of the day. Thanks, brother.
We'll talk to you soon. Thank you.
See you, Josh. Bye.
Bye-bye. Bye.

Speaker 1 That is, that's a JB. That's a real JB.
That's a capital J, capital B. Yeah, if somebody says, hey, show me the best JB you got, I'm wheeling him out.
Sure, sure.

Speaker 1 And then like, they'll say, well, second, third, fourth, what else just

Speaker 1 like more of a beta JB? Yeah, I was like, hey, guys.

Speaker 1 There you are. What if somebody said, show me a great BJ?

Speaker 1 And you'd say, how much time you got?

Speaker 1 I would say, Sean, let me look at your browser history.

Speaker 1 I really like Josh Brolin. He's a sweet guy.
He's a normal guy. God, I could talk to him forever.
I'm surprised you've never met him before. I never met him before.
I'm a huge fan. That's a good dude.

Speaker 1 Wouldn't you love to be stuck on set with him for a few months? Oh, God. Yeah.
Super fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I had the pleasure back in the day, day, when it was a different, different time, but it was still still super fun hanging with him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's one of those guys that's just electric.

Speaker 1 He is electric. He's really funny, and he's really smart, and he's interesting, and all that stuff.
He's well-read. Like, he's just like one of those.
But,

Speaker 1 Bateman,

Speaker 1 you've kind of known him, right, on and off for years? Yeah, a little bit. We shared an agent for a little while.
Oh, right. Yeah, but I think you know him a lot better.

Speaker 1 I wish I knew him

Speaker 1 a lot better. I could hang him.
We have a lot of friends in common, if you know what I mean. And he's just a fucking.

Speaker 1 Is he back here in L.A. now full-time? Yeah.

Speaker 1 He was here, and then

Speaker 1 they moved to Atlanta for a bit, and then they came back.

Speaker 1 By the way, everybody in Atlanta, I love Atlanta. All right.
Atlanta,

Speaker 1 it'll surprise you. He does, too.

Speaker 1 He was playing it up. He does, too.
And his wife is from Atlanta, her whole family.

Speaker 1 His sister-in-law and brother-in-law, who's a good friend of mine, Jackson, who we didn't talk about, is a really good buddy of mine who lives in Atlanta. Atlanta is a great, great town.

Speaker 1 You and I both had awesome experiences in that town. Yeah, I shot a movie there.
It was super hot, but it was wonderful. The people are awesome.
It's a great town, et cetera.

Speaker 1 But that old, yeah, that JB is.

Speaker 1 I like what he said, too, when he was like, he was talking about how he likes to, what does he say? Like

Speaker 1 contrast? Yeah, contrast, contrast, almost like bifurcate, right? Like what he's, um, what he's how did you why didn't you not use the biom bifurcate

Speaker 1 go back

Speaker 1 with staring?

Speaker 1 You like the way he likes to what? By

Speaker 1 force, oh, Sean, great one.

Speaker 1 Stupid ass kiddos. I can't believe you blew it.
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Speaker 1 Hi, guys. Hi, guys.
Hi, guys. Hi.
Oh, Darcy's here.

Speaker 1 Guys, we have a friend with us today. We have a friend.
Yes. Oh, my gosh.
It's Darcy Carden.

Speaker 1 Darcy. Hello, brothers.
Hello, sister.

Speaker 1 How are you, Darcy Carden?

Speaker 4 Good to see you guys. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 Darcy, who everybody knows from a million things, like the good place. And you were just on Broadway.
We were just on Broadway at the same time.

Speaker 4 With you, my Broadway brother. Yes.
At the exact same time.

Speaker 1 Darcy, I apologize. No, no, don't apologize.

Speaker 4 Don't you dare apologize.

Speaker 4 I was finished. No, don't apologize.
I'm telling you not to. It was a limited run.

Speaker 4 It was a short one. It was called the Thanksgiving Play.

Speaker 4 The Thanksgiving Play.

Speaker 1 And I heard you were fantastic. Did you have to, I'm just having visions of you having to go through a full Thanksgiving meal every performance.
Was that what it was?

Speaker 4 That's what I thought it was going to be before I read it too. And I was like, God, eating on stage, what will that be like?

Speaker 4 There's no, there was no Thanksgiving meal, but we did, it was a bloody show. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Which is kind of weird. But you were just killing turkeys.

Speaker 4 I don't want to give anything away, although I did just say it was a bloody show. And plus, it's not running anymore.
But

Speaker 4 it's a beautiful, wonderful, funny play written by Larissa Fast Horse, the first Native American woman to ever have a play on Broadway. Wow.
That's cool.

Speaker 4 But we were truly covered in blood head to toe every night. So we had to like show, we'd walk off stage and like get in the shower.

Speaker 1 Now I'm getting it. Now I'm getting it.

Speaker 4 Not together.

Speaker 1 Now I'm understanding who said that. Storyline.
No, nobody. But Darcy, we're so excited because Smartlist Media has a new show and it's called Wikihole.
That's right. No blood in it at all, right?

Speaker 1 No blood. We haven't had any blood yet.
It's bloodless.

Speaker 1 But Wikihole premieres Monday, March 4th, where we get your podcast. So we're super excited.

Speaker 1 Tell our listeners that don't know as much about it as as we do a little about what the wiki hole, what's in store for people in the hole.

Speaker 1 They need to know.

Speaker 4 They need to know.

Speaker 4 It's a super fun, trivia show. We have a panel of three guests every time.

Speaker 1 Different guests each week?

Speaker 4 Different, super funny, the funniest people you know.

Speaker 4 Like the best, best, best, funniest actors and comedians and musicians. Some of my best friends, some of my future best friends.
It's all

Speaker 4 really, we've had like amazing people on it.

Speaker 4 um and you basically you what you have like one one subject one person we we start off with any like any any random subject that you could look up on wiki wikipedia right a donut a donut for example right it's like an improv class you know one word from the audience and from there you just whatever you if you looked up donut on wikipedia you would find yourself clicking on picture of me see a picture of sean

Speaker 1 and so there's like little uh what do they call hot links inside um uh spicy hot links inside a wiki wiki page. Delicious.

Speaker 1 And when you click on those things, it'll take you down another sort of fork in the road and the history of doughnuts.

Speaker 1 We may get eventually to a picture of Sean because he's famous for his enjoyment of the donut. Live for doughnut.
And then we'd get into a

Speaker 1 wiki hole that we get into Will and Grace and into

Speaker 1 parental neglect.

Speaker 1 All of those things. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 That's it. That's exactly right.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then it'll get back into Smartless and then it'll get back into Wikihole and you'll be right back where you started. Will, Will, Will.

Speaker 4 I don't want to give anything away. I really don't.

Speaker 1 And you're our tour guide throughout it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I'm always going to take you through the hole.

Speaker 1 I've listened to it, and it's fantastic. Thanks, Sean.
I have to hysterical.

Speaker 1 I love it. Thanks.

Speaker 1 I want to play Wikihole. How do we? I want to play it.
Yeah, I would love it too.

Speaker 2 Will you?

Speaker 1 Let's do it.

Speaker 4 Okay, so if we were to start with the Smartless Hole, there's so many.

Speaker 4 I could start with anything. You guys have had these incredible careers.
You've worked with everybody. You have won awards.
But the thing that I keep coming back to is

Speaker 4 one man's sandwich.

Speaker 1 Sean,

Speaker 4 you have a goddamn tuna fish sandwich for lunch every day. Is that right?

Speaker 1 Almost every day.

Speaker 4 Okay, almost every day. That is psychotic.
I had to find out more. So I wikeied tuna sandwiches.

Speaker 1 Really? Okay, I might too.

Speaker 4 And here is our first question, okay? The top of the hole today is going to be tuna fish sandwich.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 So for the first question,

Speaker 4 you each have a chance to list the ingredients, okay?

Speaker 4 And you're going to get one point per ingredient. Don't freak out, Sean.
Don't forget. I see you're freaking out.

Speaker 1 Well, it's just gonna be there's so many different ingredients you can put in.

Speaker 4 Okay, but listen, listen. There are five ingredients listed to make a tuna fish sandwich at the top of the tuna fish sandwich wiki page.
Okay, so

Speaker 4 the five ingredients, the most common five ingredients. Mayonnaise.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Celery.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Wow.
Nothing for celery?

Speaker 4 No, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 I'm I'm not going to tell you until you all do it. Okay.
Yeah. You each say

Speaker 1 mayonnaise and celery. Mayonnaise and celery.
Some people put mustard in it. Some people put capers in it.
Okay. And like hard-boiled eggs.
Okay. Can I go now?

Speaker 4 Yes, please.

Speaker 1 Tuna fish. Well, tuna ballpiece.
Well, of course. Yeah.
And guess what? That's one of them. Oh, you didn't say it.
You didn't say it. Well, that's understood.
So tuna fish. No, it's not understood.

Speaker 1 You're out.

Speaker 1 Have you ever played anything? So you're not going to make a tuna fish sandwich with a chicken.

Speaker 1 It's like going like, oh, I obviously got a touchdown. I'm not going to go up to touchdown.

Speaker 1 It's just assumed that I got a touchdown.

Speaker 1 So, tuna fish, mayonnaise,

Speaker 1 bread,

Speaker 1 celery,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 pepper. Okay.
A pepper.

Speaker 4 Will, you ready?

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Tuna fish.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I mean, I'm not saying yes or no. I'm just saying, yeah, you said that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, yeah.

Speaker 1 Bread.

Speaker 1 Mayo.

Speaker 1 Celery. Slower, Will.

Speaker 4 No, no, he's thinking.

Speaker 1 Onion. Green onion.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Personal preference. And that's only four.
What's your fifth?

Speaker 4 No, I think you said. Wait, didn't you say? I think you said five.
You guys. No, huh.

Speaker 4 Guess what?

Speaker 1 What? Will got all fucking five right. You're joking me.

Speaker 4 I'm not kidding. So say it again.
Tuna, mayo, celery, onion, bread.

Speaker 1 So onion is a required. I know it's a common.

Speaker 1 Hang on,

Speaker 1 sorry, Darcy, I don't want to to cut you off because these guys are about to apologize to me.

Speaker 1 Jason's got something in his mouth right now, but I imagine when he finishes chewing that thing, he's going to apologize for going, fucking,

Speaker 1 fucking fucking. White onion or white onion or red onion?

Speaker 4 Well, it just says onion.

Speaker 1 It doesn't matter. It just says onion.
That's interesting. I got to try it with onion.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I bet it'd be delicious.

Speaker 4 I mean, all your sandwiches sounded delicious, but Will got them all right. Jason got four points, and Will, sorry, Jason got four points, and Sean got two points.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 you lose. What? What? We have more.

Speaker 4 It's anybody's game.

Speaker 1 Don't worry. So, what's the spicy hot link we go to off of the fuck? You know what? Sean, you are a donut.
What a zero.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's go. You eat it every day.
You don't even know what you're eating.

Speaker 4 Do you have it really? You don't even know. Sean, do you put what do you put in yours?

Speaker 1 Tuna.

Speaker 1 Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 Don't say tuna like that. Of course, you have to put fucking tuna.

Speaker 1 Celery and tons of mayo. Yum, yum, yum, yum, yum.
Okay, great, delicious. Dorsey, Wait, if you think I'm playing again after I fucking smoke.
No, we're not done.

Speaker 4 We're not done.

Speaker 1 You just entered the hole. You need to travel down into the hole now.

Speaker 4 We have to scale down this gigantic hole. And this is even a small hole for you guys, but usually it's a really big hole.

Speaker 1 Click a spicy link. Okay, for sure.
I want to get some credit. I want to get some credit for the restraint.
You're getting it. Exercising incredible.

Speaker 4 Okay, so here's our next question. You will each have a chance to answer this.
The closest without going over wins.

Speaker 4 What percentage of canned tuna in the U.S. is used for tuna sandwiches?

Speaker 1 Okay, I'm a first. I'm first.
Go for it. And I will say

Speaker 1 what percentage of canned tuna is used for tuna fish sandwich? I would say 90. Okay.
Okay, that's my guess. Great.
Well, because he said 90, I'll say 95. Okay.
Dumb. Should have said 91.

Speaker 1 Dumb. I'm going to say 40.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.
40.

Speaker 4 Now, I was shocked by this, but the answer is 52%. So, Will, you fucking got it again.

Speaker 1 Wow. Jesus.
Why is that? Because I bet you some of tuna that's canned is also used for animals, for cats and dogs and shit like that. I didn't even think of that.

Speaker 4 All I could think of was casserole.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's a fucking, by the way, you don't want to keep playing this game with me with these guys.
Okay. No, no, no, I bet we do.
Let's have a third one. You're going to

Speaker 1 burst into flames. Let's go.
What's the next hot? Okay, here we go.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay, here we go.

Speaker 4 Americans consume one-third of the total amount of canned tuna sold worldwide every year. And yet, the tuna sandwich is not in the top three most popular sandwiches in the U.S.

Speaker 4 You'll each have a chance to guess three. What are the most popular sandwiches? The three most popular sandwiches in the U.S., one point per correct.
Go ahead, Sean. Go ahead, Sean.

Speaker 1 Peanut butter and jelly. Sean, you should win this.
Let's just peanut butter and jelly. Okay.

Speaker 1 Like a turkey, like a regular. No, no, you can't generalize.
Be specific. Like, you know, something with turkey.
No.

Speaker 1 Commit. I would have got a touchdown.
Look at that.

Speaker 1 Why are you going to get it? Walk all the way down there and cross that load.

Speaker 1 Just say touchdown.

Speaker 4 Okay, peanut butter and jelly, turkey.

Speaker 1 Turkey, and.

Speaker 1 What's another popular sandwich? Are you asking? And roast beef. I don't know.
Okay. That's the question.

Speaker 1 I would say a hamburger. Okay.
That's not a sandwich. I would say a grilled cheese.
Okay. And then I would say a

Speaker 1 club. Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. Three most popular sandwiches in the U.S.

Speaker 4 That's right. Here he comes.

Speaker 1 I would say ham. Some kind of ham, ham and cheese.

Speaker 1 Well, which is it? Ham or ham and cheese? Yeah. Let's commit.
Ham and cheese. Okay.
Ham and cheese. Okay.
I'll say ham and cheese. Okay.

Speaker 1 I will say peanut butter and jelly.

Speaker 1 And I will say egg salad. Okay.

Speaker 4 Wow. This is a tough one, you guys.

Speaker 4 If you, I would have guessed peanut butter and jelly would have been top number one. It doesn't even crack the top three.

Speaker 1 That's why I didn't guess it. Okay, good.

Speaker 4 Well, Jason, you got one, which is, I know, which is

Speaker 4 grilled cheese. Grilled cheese, grilled chicken sandwich, surprising, and turkey sandwich.
So, Sean, you got one as well. Okay.
No burger, no, no, PB ⁇ J.

Speaker 1 I wonder if if they're not qualifying burger as a sandwich.

Speaker 4 I wonder the same.

Speaker 1 That's a big debate.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it is a big debate. They're not.

Speaker 1 I mean, this isn't the 1940s. We go, I'll have a hamburger sandwich.
I'll just have a hamburger sandwich and a cup of coffee.

Speaker 1 I don't like that. Put me through to Murray Hill 234.
Yeah, exactly. I don't like that.
And keep your sales receipt.

Speaker 4 Okay, let's jump on down the hole to sandwiches. Let's keep going with this.
Wikipedia has a list devoted to American sandwiches.

Speaker 4 The only sandwich whose ingredients are a mystery on this list is the Diablo sandwich. Diablo sandwich.
So here we go. You'll each have a chance to answer this multiple choice question.

Speaker 4 In what hit 1970s movie does someone order a Diablo sandwich? A, love story. B, the Poseidon adventure, or C, Smokey and the Bandit?

Speaker 1 Well, I say Smokey and the Bandit. Okay.
Poseidon adventure. Okay.
I'm just guessing the Diablo.

Speaker 1 I was going to say five easy pieces because there was that great scene where Jack Nicholson does the sandwich a bit, huh? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm going to say love story just so we each take one.

Speaker 4 I like that move.

Speaker 4 Sean, you got it.

Speaker 1 Smoking the bandit. Oh, God.
If Will had won that one, we would never hear the end of AP. He'd be the king whole.

Speaker 4 That's what we're playing for, to be the king whole.

Speaker 1 Whole king. Whole king.

Speaker 1 That was your handle in high school, wasn't it, Willie? Whole king.

Speaker 1 Whole king. Whole king.

Speaker 4 So Sheriff Justice, played by Jackie Gleason, orders a Diallo sandwich. Yeah, it's a very funny scene.
I watched it last night.

Speaker 1 When I get home, I'm gonna hit your mama right in the mouth. That was it.
You know what he says? Something like that. Yeah, something like that.
There's no way you could come from my loins.

Speaker 1 So, who won, Darcy?

Speaker 4 Okay, my little mouse will tell me the score in five seconds, and I'll get a little.

Speaker 4 You guys, Will

Speaker 4 is

Speaker 4 the winner with

Speaker 4 six points.

Speaker 4 Wow, Jason and Sean, you both had five. You were so goddamn close.

Speaker 1 Wow. But what does one get when they win or lose on the wiki hole?

Speaker 4 You're going to love this. You get a generous donation made in your name to Wikipedia.

Speaker 1 I like that. Oh, that's good.
They're always looking at that. Which is great, right?

Speaker 4 Because they're always looking.

Speaker 4 And you're never actually saying yes. You're always kind of exhausting.

Speaker 1 And now I can feel less guilty for just

Speaker 1 clicking.

Speaker 1 Clicking through. Exactly.
That's exactly right. Very good.

Speaker 4 Okay, guys, I have one more question for you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 4 What is Henry Winkler's favorite sandwich?

Speaker 1 The hoagie. I want to say a shark sandwich.
That's what I want to say, but it's still. I'm going to say...
You mean the jumping the shark sandwich? Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 I would say the hollowed-out bagel.

Speaker 1 Do you think he'd hollow out a bagel?

Speaker 4 No, I don't want to put my head.

Speaker 1 I've had it at his house with him before. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 4 Well, to get the answer, we have a very special message from a very special guest.

Speaker 5 Hi, Jason, Will, and Sean. It's Henry Winkler with the answer to my favorite sandwich.

Speaker 5 There are two parts. The first is a tuna sandwich with mayo, ketchup, and finely diced onions on wonder bread.

Speaker 1 Part two

Speaker 5 is the day after Thanksgiving sandwich, wonder bread again, see the bridge.

Speaker 5 Mayo, turkey, fried stuffing,

Speaker 5 cranberry sauce out of a can, none of that berry crap, and then wonder bread.

Speaker 5 Hey, Dars, what is it like actually being a guest on the show?

Speaker 5 And then, you know, instead of just being a question, you know, I had two of them at my dining room table and the tall one, you know, that third guy, I helped him get his Tony.

Speaker 5 You know what, Dars? You're on a new podcast, Wikihole, and I could bring one or both sandwiches if I were a guest on that podcast.

Speaker 1 There you go. What a sweet.
How great is that?

Speaker 1 We love that.

Speaker 1 I love him. I mean, if I could put him in a sandwich, I'd snack on him all day, every day.
Oh, delicious. He's delicious.
He's the nicest man in show business. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I've got an issue with his wonder bread addiction, though. Darn it.
I want him around for hundreds of years.

Speaker 4 I know, I know. What is it? That, but it is delicious.
It is delicious.

Speaker 4 Okay, quickly, I'm going to retrace the hole.

Speaker 4 We started with tuna Fish Sandwich, which led us to American Sandwiches, which then led us to Smokey and the Bandit, which led us to Henry Winkler and right back to Tuna Fish Sandwiches.

Speaker 1 I mean, how about one of his sandwiches with tuna fish sandwiches? I know.

Speaker 4 I know. He's a smart guy.
The full episodes go, we go a little bit deeper into these wiki holes. It's super fun.
You're going to love it. Play along with us.
We can't wait.

Speaker 4 And my three brothers, I'd love to have you on the full hole.

Speaker 1 We would love it. See you at the hall see you at the hall see you at the hall so many times i've gotten that

Speaker 1 now listen this is information we need to know it premieres monday march 4th wherever you get your new podcast and new episodes are released every week or you can hear it a week early on amazon music or the wondery app starting monday uh february 26th monday february 26th you say monday february 26th is that what you say monday february 26th you say oh the 26th of february is when wiki hole is going to start wiki hole with darcy carter at the end of february specifically on the 26th i think

Speaker 1 is the early week on amazon wondering and for everybody on march 4th i love that yeah free wherever you get your post march 4th wide

Speaker 1 rc we love you we can't wait for the new show thank you for being part of the family on smartless media you guys i love you so much thank you for doing this thank you so much for having me this is so fun bye guys bye

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