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Are we rolling, Jimmy? Shoddy. Yeah.
Sean. Sean.
Sean. Wait, you guys, this is crazy that you're speaking in British accents.
Go ahead. Why? What are you doing? I know, I know, mate.
I know. Wait, Sean, are you in London? Oh, my gosh.
No, I'm not. Well, Jason's not.
Neither of you got it. Both of those are terrible.
No, that's great. It's going to be so insulting to our guest, but wait, let's get...
Of course. Is our guest British? Oh, no.
Well, what made you think that? The 50 times that he went like, I don't know. Wait, what were you going to say? Shawnee, next week, I know we shouldn't do this on the podcast, but dinner in New York, yes, Tuesday? Guys, what are we doing? You're not doing anything.
You're staying in LA. I'm home.
Yeah, Tuesday. 100%.
In New York, dinner, right? Hold on, listener, we're making plans. Okay.
You guys have your Rolodexes out? You want to wait for that? Enter it? Oh, I'm sorry. Do you want to talk about golf? No, I'm not going to make plans with my buddy on the listener's time.
Or the guest's time. Jay, why don't you come out and join us? Finally come out.
No, because I'm married, I have two children, and it would just be too disruptive. But they won't notice.
Oh, to New York! To New York. To New York.
I already tried to get him to come to New York. And he just gave a classic Jason, no, I don't want to.
Yeah. Well.
I hurt my feelings. And I apologize for that.
I've had long discussions with my wife over the last 12 hours. And what I need to work on is checking in with other people that are associated with the plan that might not see it through the prism of one.
There you go. So maybe ask them what they would like.
Right. And then, you know, because I just think, well, they're asking my opinion, so it's just about me.
How do I personally, well, my personal opinion is, no, I wouldn't like to do that. But if I check in with you, I might change that, you know? Right.
If you go like, or maybe, and you can, even before you check in, you can go like, hey, maybe this is something that somebody else wants. And it's not just, I don't want, I want, I don't want, I want.
Yeah. And you go like.
There's a we in this world. Yeah.
You know what I mean? Yeah. No, it's a great note.
And I think I'm learning it just in time at 54. Jay, do you want to go out to dinner next week? Yeah, no, thanks.
Old dog, new tricks. I'm not going to be in town, but if you guys want to zoom me in from the table.
We sure do. That would be a ride.
I'd love to watch you. Wait, I want to say one thing.
As you know, Smartless Media launched Bad Dates, which is out right now with Jamila Jamil, which is fantastic. Hilarious.
It's a great show. But we have a new...
And Just Jack and Will launches June 22nd. Well, I wanted to say that so that you didn't have to promote your own show.
I don't know. No, sorry, it's Will.
It's our show. It's our show.
Will, who's the... You and Jack Black are doing a podcast? No.
No. It's the characters Jack and Will from Will and Grace.
So it's Sean Hayes and Eric McCormick doing just Jack and Will. And it's a rewatch podcast of Will and Grace.
Sean, I'm getting to it. I want to say it so you don't have to.
So you can take in all the praise you deserve. Do you want to know what I'm most excited about with that podcast? Saying no to coming on? My daughter.
Saying no to everything. Actually, listen, I think this means i'm coming on my daughters uh your your your good friends and mine franny and maple 16 and 11 have never seen will and grace and they're bananas about you so i just keep thinking wait till they see you do your thing and so this is going to give us a great chance to start watching the show together yeah that's great and then.
And then listening to the podcast, doing the rewatch, and then coming on. Maybe I'll bring them both on.
And we'll give you notes. That would be so fun.
Because you guys aren't locked yet on those episodes, right? We're recording them now. We've recorded a bunch already.
No, no, no. Sorry, the Will and Grace episodes.
If we give you notes, you can just perform it. reshoot stuff, yeah.
Okay, good. It'll match.
It'll match. By the way, it's the 25th anniversary of Will & Grace this year.
Is that right? The silver anniversary. Isn't that crazy? Yeah.
Is that silver? 25 years ago. You know what, Shani? Yeah.
JB and I saw Jimmy Burroughs yesterday. Yes.
Oh, no way. Yeah.
Where? At playing golf. He was playing with Al Michaels, our other good friend.

He said, say hi to Shane.

I think you guys are doing a great job on the show. He said, Shane, I loved working with Shane.

Yeah, he was the best.

I'll never forget him, he said.

Yeah.

He said, I'll never forget him.

Shane's the best.

And by the way.

He said, I'll never forget him.

We said, who?

And he said, what?

Do you know what I mean?

So, Tracy, that's the director of Will & Grace. Well, he's a friend and, you know.
Yes. And directed every episode of Will and Grace.
I've not listened to his episode. Just know he's, yes.
So I want to get done with this so we can get to our guest because he's been so kind to wait. So it premieres on June 22nd.
All new episodes are out every week or here at a week early on Amazon or the Wondery app. And it's super exciting.
And it's really, really fun. I'd never seen, watched the show really after being on it because my excuse is like, I was there.
You didn't watch it when it was on for America? I didn't really. I mean, I remember like bits and pieces, but Eric watched it a little too much.
So it's kind of, it's really fun to do the show with them. Anyway, it's just Jack and Will.
Our guest today makes me laugh so much. He's actually born the same year as me, which means he's born the same year as Will.
53-year-old man from England. Yes, I consider him British royalty since he's such a major figure in the comedy world and sci-fi, which as you know is royalty to me.
He undoubtedly has both Spielberg and Tom Cruise on speed dial.

Oh, I know who it is.

But his greatest achievement is reaching the holy grail of nerdom status.

That's a real thing.

Or the nerd trifecta, as some people call it.

This happens when you have portrayed prominent characters

on Doctor Who, Star Trek, and Star Wars.

Guys, it's the brilliant Simon Pegg.

I knew it was going to be Simon.

Simon!

I knew it was Simon. Hello, friend.
I knew it was simon i knew well you didn't have that will i did i knew it was why did you say it i don't know i was just you didn't want to spoil it but isn't that crazy you guys started talking for those pipes i thought they were really good listen to that speaking voice simon i know good lord hey simon uh hey man um great to see you hey You too. I'm such a fan of this podcast.
I feel kind of strange being on it. No, you've never heard it.
I've never met you. I absolutely have.
I have. Sean, we've never met.
And I just want to say I'm a big Sean Hayes fan. Well, likewise.
I'm massive. By the way, before we get going on all of that, I want to say, Simon, I see you over your right shoulderaced, which was the show that you and Edgar did and I want to talk about Spaced.
I loved, as you know and I've told you, I've embarrassed you before how much I loved Spaced and for a number of reasons but walk me through a little bit because that was your guys' first like big thing that you all got to, you and Edgar and nick frost and nick too nick wasn't really an actor before that right so i mean i remember you telling me this story once years ago no he was a waiter yeah and um yeah i moved to london with my girlfriend and he she went to work at this mexican restaurant called chiquitos i don't know if you've ever eaten mexican in london it's for it. She came home from work and said- I think it's where guacamole started.
It actually is where it's invented. Cricklewood.
He's really funny and he wants to be a stand-up. And I was kind of dabbling with stand-up at the time and we sort of, we met.
And he was the funniest, is the funniest human being I know. And I tried, he tried stand up.
It didn't really fit for him. It couldn't quite sort of convert his hilariousness into a routine.
But we came to, we got spaced and I said, look, well, come and be in this TV show with me and we can hang out. And he had this character, he'd come up with this sort of, this army guy called Mike and we wrote into the show and um and convinced the producers that he was an actor which he wasn't and um i think there was another guy called nick frost on on our sort of equity so they looked him up and said yeah he he checks out and um and that's how he got into the show and how he started wow that's amazing and then and then you what happened with and Edgar? Like, how did you guys get that show off the ground? We, Jessica Hines and I, who wrote it, we, I'd worked with Edgar before and he was like the only guy that we could imagine who could sort of make the show.
And he came along and we put it together and he showed us all his sort of storyboards and stuff and we were kind of just blown away because you know edgar's got this incredible vision and and um and we took it to channel four and they like this is a really we were so lucky you know as a time when you you could sort of just pitch something and they go yeah sure let's do it and we were on right after friends and um you know it was this strange sort of, you know, slightly surreal show, but it really found its audience. And that was where the idea for Sean kind of came about and where our sort of relationship began.
So yeah, that was the beginnings of it all. Do you know the number of things that you, Nick, and Edgar have done together? I could probably count them, but it might be boring for the podcast.
Less than a dozen? Two. Probably, well, we did Space, then the Three Cornetta films, and then we did Tin Tin.
Tin Tin, that's right. Yeah, like five or six, I guess.
And we've done other stuff as well. I wanted to ask you about, because, you know, your credits, you know, like talk about fandom.
I'm like a creepy stalker fan of yours because you're in everything I love, right? So I, you're

like the fandom you're associated with by default. How often do you check? Because you're not on

social media. Like you're not on anything.
How often do you check in to see what's being said,

if anything, or do you avoid the internet? Because you're, you know, you have those iconic stories

that you constantly tell from everything you're working on, but you have no outlet to put them

I'm sorry. anything or do you avoid the internet because you you're you know you have those iconic stories that you constantly tell from everything you're working on but you have no outlet to put them so people must just be like you know salivating well i've got an instagram now oh you do and i follow i follow smartless that's more of you guys yeah what yeah i was kind of upset when i was what are we saying oh we'll follow back.
What have we been saying on there? Terrible things.

But do you ever look at what people are saying

or do you not, you're like, I can't, I don't care,

I'm not... Sometimes.
I was

on Twitter for a while and then I left that

because it just felt like, it just

felt like a party where everybody was drunk

and angry.

I sort of checked out of that. I've kept the

account just for sort of info. Twitter's like my house growing up just drunk and angry yeah i remember you and nick and the reason i got the person who showed me how who actually set up my twitter account physically did it on my phone was pete serafinwich oh was it pete yeah And we were in Vancouver, and I kept, and I was arguing against him.
It was like 2009, yeah, 2009 or 10 or something. What month? What month? It was actually...
No, no, Simon, he knows this stuff. It's crazy.
It's no joke. I'm not joking.
Just give him two seconds, he'll drop it. It was February 2010.
That's crazy. It probably was.
It probably was. It just inverts me every time.
It definitely was. Simon, did you, so you're born in 1970 on Valentine's Day.
Before I get into all your career stuff, because I can't wait, do you have any crazy story about hooking up on Valentine's Day, which is your birthday, and it turning into something? If it's a bad date, save it for our sister podcast, Bad Dates. No, I spoke to Jamila about doing that, but I don't have any bad dates, really.
I couldn't think of anything that would make the podcast fun. The mailman who delivers my birthday cards thinks I'm a stud, obviously, but otherwise, you know.
That's hysterical. I thought Bad Dates was more about like December 7th, 1941.

Jesus.

That's so stupid.

That was a bad date.

That is so dumb.

That was a terrible date.

Wait, okay, so you were born Simon Beckingham, but why, Peg? Tell me about that.

Well, my mom remarried.

My parents split up.

My dad, I kept in touch with my dad, which was good um sorry to gloat sean see i do listen to the podcast simon i think your your dad just had a slower car that was by the way if your dad runs into my dad let me know they're good friends yeah um When my mum remar my mom remarried, I was seven, and I remember thinking I don't want to have a different name to my mom. And she married Richard Pegg, and I just made that decision.
I thought I want to have the same name as my mom. I don't want her to come into my school and them to say, hello, Mrs.
Beckingham, and her have to correct the teacher. I remember making that little calculation when I was a kid, which is strangely adult.
Will, do you have a... Sean, I was going to say this.
Sean, didn't you one time say on the podcast, hey, to anybody out there, if you happen to run into my dad, make sure to reverse and run into him again? By the way, we were going to talk about this a while ago. Total sidebar.
Sure. My dad showed up to Goodnight Oscar in Chicago.

What?

What?

Yeah.

I knew this.

Isn't that crazy?

Well,

but he didn't come backstage or anything.

I didn't see him.

Well,

I guess he didn't like the show.

He probably hated it.

That's very strange.

No,

isn't that what you're supposed to infer?

No,

and then he showed up on my sister's Facebook

and said,

I love the show.

Yeah,

but he said something weird.

He said something,

he said something like,

Oscar Levant,

just like I remembered him.

Yeah.

But no, like, that's my son. Oh, so he was like humble bragging.
Not my son, just like I remembered him. That's my son.
He's got a clearer memory of Oscar Levant than he does of you. He doesn't remember you waving from the window.
You should show up to his house as Oscar Levant and go, How have you been? Oh. Switching.
It's so funny. Okay, so wait, this is what's so cool.
I love this. I did this exact same thing as you, Simon.
I doubt it. So you started acting at like 16.
You went to Stratford-upon-Avon. But you just studied English literature and theater.
But as a boy, you would listen to John Williams' scores. And I used to listen to them all the time.
And so did my husband, Scotty. I'm obsessed.
Yeah, he's the greatest. It was one of my most sort of, my proudest moments, I think, ever of my career with Tintin was seeing my name come up on the screen and then music by John Williams.
Yeah, that's insane. Because for me, I used to listen to it and imagine myself in movies.

It was the soundtrack to my childhood.

I loved him.

I still do.

He's the most incredible composer.

We go.

Scotty and I go every year to the Hollywood Bowl to watch him conduct with his lightsabers.

Did you ever have been there?

It's insane.

No, I wish I had.

Oh, you've got to come.

You've got to come.

I'm just going to alienate Jason and Will.

Fuck, man.

Inverted again. You know, John Williams plays a few holes of golf every day at 4 o'clock.
Still? He's 91, right? Yeah. He drives down the hill in his golf cart, and he hits it a few times, and that's his routine.
And we saw him about two weeks ago, and just barely heard him say, If you see Sean Hayes' tell me he's an asshole. That's interesting.
We weren't sure, but we were pretty sure that's what it was. Tell him to stop nerding out about my music.
He sounds like a fucking loser. Stop fucking mentioning it.
Stop identifying his entire fucking life based on my fucking music to my movies and get a fucking life and have some real life experiences other than talking about fucking nerd movies. Wow, he had a lot to say.
Was that in between holes? That's all I caught. He kept going.
Wait, Simon, do you have a favorite John Williams score? The Empire Strikes Back. Oh, yes, of course.
Without a doubt. Of course.
It's my favorite. I love that.
I love that. Is that held up as one of the all-time greats in that sort of, in the John Williams canon? I think so.
I mean, you know, it's just, it's got so many sort of classic themes on it. And, you know, it's the first time we heard the Imperial March and Han and Leia and all these sort of incredibly...
It's just a beautiful, beautiful score. That's pretty much mutually agreed that that's the best of the Star Wars movies, right? Absolutely.
I think so, yeah. And there have been, what, nine? I can't remember now.
There's been a lot. Well, it's 77.
It was 80. We were...
Simon, you and I and Will were like 10 or 11. Can I just say this? Can I just say I hope they make nine more.
You know what? They probably will. They are.
They are. I saw the first one in 1977.
I don't know if we've talked about this with somebody else. I saw the first one four times in the theater.
It's the only time I've ever seen. And then I stopped because, you know, I got older.
Okay, so... So...
Let me just... Sorry, I want to go back.
Hang on. Were you turned eight? I turned eight.
Once I turned eight, I was like, what am I fucking doing? I'll never get laid. Oh, my God.
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And now, back to the show. Simon, I remember before we met, which was many, many, many moons ago.
Yeah, Galaxy. If you remember, I picked you up somewhere and you were staying at L'Hermitage

and we went over there

and had a drink.

That's right.

That was the first time

we hung out.

I remember I was,

you know,

because I'd seen,

Edgar had told me

about Arrested Development

and I'd resisted it

for a while.

You know when you're

sort of in comedy

and I know you've resisted

it forever, Sean,

but I was like,

you know you kind of

resent stuff when you're told it's good? Yeah. Oh, yeah.
And Edgar's like, you've got to see this show, it's incredible. And I'm like, yeah, okay, I'll give it a look.
And I sort of didn't. Yeah, a dozen of those.
Eventually, I kind of, I begrudgingly watched it and I just sort of like, you know, sometimes as a funny person, you watch comedy like somebody watching a physics lecture. You just sort of nod and smile.

Waiting to not like it.

This is it.

This is it.

Why the fuck do anything ever again?

This is too fucking good.

Jason and I, at one of our Sunday dinners,

sat down and pretty much almost all the same things

neither Jason and I have seen.

It's like a list that we both made.

It's not because I don't want to. No, exactly.
I feel overwhelmed to get started. Well, sometimes it feels like homework, which is a bummer.
It comes with a slight pressure, doesn't it? It does come with pressure. And then, because, yeah, and you have shows that are really good that our mutual friends have done and you're like, fuck, I should watch it.
Everybody says it's great. And part of you is like, I don't want to watch it all, so I don't want to have an opinion in case I run into them.
It's like going to see somebody on Broadway, and then after the show, you've got to go up and you've got to be like, yeah, you were great, Sean. Like, whatever, just for lack of another name.
Whatever his name might be. But you've got to say whatever the name of the person is.
But wait, Simon, Sean was in, by the way, if you're in New York, go see it. I'm not joking.
I have to

say all things aside. I'd love to come, Sean.

Honestly, I'm going to be there with Mission

in July. Oh, great.

Come. He's incredible.
You're sweet.

But, Simon,

we first met and I had just

seen Sean of the Dead

and that movie for me stands

out. And I've watched it recently with my kids

and it holds up

because it's legitimately great

and funny. That's a great one to see with the kids.
Yeah, and I

Thank you. And that movie for me stands out.
And I've watched it recently with my kids. And it holds up because it's legitimately great and funny.
That's a great one to see with the kids. Yeah, and I found it so inspiring at that time.
I felt like you guys were doing something that not a lot of other people were doing. You were, it was smart and it was silly.
And it was really tight. Whenever I saw, right, whenever I saw you, Will, whenever that movie came out, it's all you talked about to me all the time.
For real, for real. For real.
I still hold it up as such a great, every moment of it, the writing is really good. It's really well shot.
It's really well directed. It's really incredibly acted.
Like every single moment of it, man. And that must have been such a huge turning point for you, Sean of the Dead.
Yeah, it absolutely was because, you know, we got some sort of exposure over there and a lot of sort of cool kind of directors came into Bat for Edgar and we managed to get a theatrical release over there thanks to, I think it was thanks to Ain't It Cool News, you know, Harry knolls's uh website oh wow and so yeah and so coming over and you know not not to sort of bat it back to you guys but i i kind of felt the same thing about arrested you know it was like these guys we all say nick and i always say people know something if you if you see someone who gets it who is kind of you feel like they're the same kind of person as you you say they know something and it was it was you guys were just doing something that was just so that and and uh it was it was inspirational and i always and also sure not to leave you out i always thought on watching will and grace because you always kind of you know not to embarrass you but you all stole that show i thought for sure and 100 i always thought i i'm I'm sure he knows something because Will & Grace, because you always kind of, not to embarrass you, but you always stole that show, I thought. For sure, 100%.
I always thought, I'm sure he knows something. Because Will and Grace is a big, it was a network comedy, it was massive, it wasn't sort of an alternative kind of thing, even though it was an incredibly progressive show.
And then you popped up on like Portlandia or something, and I was like, yes, I knew it. I knew he knew something.
Yeah, I love that show.

By the way, it's so funny you say that.

And it's so true, Sean.

You did steal that show all the time.

Well, I consider it an ensemble.

Amongst a bunch of scene stealers,

you were a scene stealer.

I remember Nick has one of those,

I hold Nick as one of those guys.

He's so naturally Frost.

He's so naturally funny.

And one time...

And just for really quick for Tracy,

Nick Frost is a comedian actor. Hot F a hot fuzz paul the world's end your bestie my god yeah great movie hot fuzz and and uh we were one time standing outside this restaurant in la and uh and i was having a cigarette with nick and there were these two like really douchey guys i don't know if this story will translate standing right there and we as walked, they were just having the worst LA conversation.
As we went inside, Nick goes, all right, talk to you later. To the end.
Complete strangers. He didn't even know them.
He didn't know them. We hadn't talked to them at all.
And as he's opening the door, he just looked at them and went, all right, talk to you later. So funny.
Fuck me. And it just, it was so naturally funny.
And it made me laugh. Like, driving home, it made me laugh.
Like, I kept thinking about it. Will, you love that dry sense of humor, that British sense of humor.
Was there a lot of that up in Toronto, being a British colony at one point? Maybe, maybe. I don't know.
I was always a fan. I know I've been accused of being an Anglophile for many years, and I do enjoy.
I just think that there's something to... You know, when I was 17, I saw Withnail and I the first time, and I was like, this, this is the kind of shit I like.
And I don't know, it always just seems smarter, and again, I know so many funny, smart, amazing American... The style of that just never asks for a laugh.
No. You know, you're right.
Yeah. You just go right.
I heard you once describe your Nick's relationship to my fair lady or something like what's the comparison? What is that? Yeah. He was like this kind of like rough around the edges.
And I was this university graduate who'd moved to London from Bristol and found him in a Mexican restaurant and taught him in the ways of, you know, high culture. I mean, Nick was, you know, he was like, he was, he would be the first to say he was like a little thug.
But he was just so gifted, so funny in a way that still to this day he makes me laugh. Like, you know, when I listen to you guys, it reminds me of my relationship with Nick and Edgar just because it just runs on laughter and it never gets tiring or boring.
It's just, it's constantly hilariously funny. Well, and respect, like massive respect.
Yeah. We had a big dinner years ago.
By the way, you're going to fucking freak out when I tell you this. You guys are going to be so bummed out.
Because I think it was November 2005. I mean, I can't.
In London. Remember we had that big dinner with a bunch of us, Simon.
And it was me and Amy and you guys and Darren Brown, the magician. Yes.
Do you remember that? Yeah, of course. That was a long time ago.
And I think, did I tell this story about saying whether or not you could be hypnotized? Did I tell this hypnotized? No. So we were at this big dinner and Simon and I guess Darren wanted to come.
He was a fan of Arrested Development because he's a magician or whatever. And there were a bunch of guys there.
Who else was there? He wanted to meet an illusionist. Yeah, he did.
Joe Cornish, I think, was there. A bunch of them.
And Pete. And I asked around the table, I said to Darren Brown, the hypnotist, his magician, whatever, I said, can you tell if somebody's really susceptible to being hypnotized and being persuaded? And I said, everybody go around the table and say whether or not you think you, because he sort of said, yeah, I can kind of tell.
And so everybody went around the table and I remember I said, like, I definitely could be persuaded to do probably anything. And everybody had different answers.
But I remember Amy Poehler at the time going, there's no way. You can't get me.
Just in that very Amy way, she's like, no way. There's no way.
Very Boston. Like, no way.
No fucking way. You can't persuade me anything.
And we're at this really fancy restaurant at Mayfair. The check comes, and Amy looks at me and goes, we got this.
And I go, what do you mean we got this? It's like 3,000 pounds. I'm like, you know, it's expensive dinner.
She's like, no, no, no, we got it. So we're in the cab on the way back to the hotel and I go, he got you.
Darren Brown, he convinced you to pick up the check. And then she looked at me and she goes, do you think? And I go, fuck yeah.
It would be great if she turned to you and said, wait, I paid for the check. Did I ever tell you that simon no i didn't know that yeah

that's amazing i find it he's weird to be around darren you know because you you're constantly

worried that he might do something strange to your mind yeah so simon your your level of

astonishment is greater on the sets of star trek or mission impossible as far as execution

scope of production probably mission impossible yeah right just because of the stuff that tom

Thank you. Or Mission Impossible as far as execution, scope of production? Probably Mission Impossible.
Yeah, right. Just because of the stuff that Tom Cruise does, you know, that we are witness to on the day of him jumping off a cliff on a motorbike or whatever.
Oh, yeah. I mean, that just sort of is genuinely terrifying.
Right. And your stunt crew and safety crew and second unit, all that stuff, that just must be like rocket scientists.
Yeah, hundreds of cameras on. When we did the bike stunt, which is in Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning Part 1, there was a take he did where there were cameras mounted on the bike he was riding.
So when he jumped off it, the bike just sort of cartwheeled away and caught him every time it spanned. And then they had to go down into the bottom of this quarry and find the bike and retrieve the cameras and find which ones were still working.
And sure enough, they picked up this incredible footage of him just sort of like disappearing upwards as the bike. That's crazy.
The degree of difficulty on all departments of those movies is just insane. That's so crazy.
By the way, you know, I just found yesterday that I've actually got a second unit. Oh, good for you.
So it was super tiny. You just discovered it.
But it counts. But it counts.
So wait, listen. I want to talk about...
So Mission Impossible 3, JJ just called you out of the blue. JJ Abrams just called you out of the blue and offered you a part.
Yeah, he did. Because of Shaun of the Dead, right? Because of Shaun.

Me and Edgar were writing Hot Fuzz,

and the phone rang, and it was JJ Abrams,

and he just sort of literally said,

hey, do you want to come and be in Mission Impossible 3?

And I said, yeah, okay.

Yes, please.

Yeah, okay, why not?

And I didn't know.

Let me finish.

I'm just at me mate.

Let me finish.

I was kind of, in the same same way he emailed me about Star Trek

and just said, do you want to play Scotty?

I think he got bored of looking for someone

and just thought, I get that other guy that I got last time.

Wow.

I mean, it is unusual to be part of two such big kind of iconic franchises

that are very different.

Unless you're Harrison Ford.

Unless you're Harrison Ford, that's right.

Yeah, Harrison Ford is the king.

You're the British Harrison Ford.

I'm sorry. of two such big kind of iconic franchises that are very different.
Unless you're Harrison Ford. Unless you're Harrison Ford, that's right.
Yeah, Harrison Ford is the king. You're the British Harrison Ford.
I've heard that before. Thank you.
Would you say your biggest regret was hiring Bateman for Paul? That was a huge regret. Let's get to Paul.
I was listening to Hayda the other day on the podcast talking about those jalapeno shooters. And you weren't there that day.
It was me, Nick, and Hader, and they gave us these tequila shots with jalapeno juice and we shat lava the next day. Oh, my God.
I'm glad you weren't there for the sake of your bottom. He doesn't remember where he was yesterday, so that's the good news.
But you... Do you remember when we gave you a Teen Wolf 2 poster in your rap gift? I do.
We all signed it. I do remember that.
I was very warmed by that. Where is it? Where is it, Jason? I sold that.
Binned. Yeah.
Binned. Immediately binned.
Jay, get that framed. How unbelievably rude.
No, I think it came framed. It was framed.
But then you unframed it. I thought you told me you unframed it.
You just sell it easier. You use the fucking roll that thing.
Wait, I want to go back. So in 2009, you completed the second installment of your nerd trifecta, which again is a real thing.
With Star Trek, who helped you with your Scottish accent? Was it hard? Like, do you have Scots in your family? Yeah, I'm married to a Scot and a Glaswegian. So her dad helped me a lot.
Sean's married to a Scot, too. Yeah.
There you go. Nice, nice.
Lovely. Hello there.
Yeah, I got help from the family on that because they're the first people to... Although they kept trying to make me put, like, tawdry little Scottish rudeness into the script.
And I did actually try a few things, but JJ came up to me and said, Simon, they've got to understand what you're saying. Let's hear just a little bit of the rudest thing you could say in Scottish.
I do actually say, there's a famous Scottish Glaswegian saying, which is, get te fuck. Instead of like, you know, shut up or get out of it, it's get te fuck.
And in the first Star Trek, I do actually say to Deep Roy, who plays my little wingman, you hear me go, get it. So anyone who's Scottish would know exactly what I was about.
Oh, that's great. That's great.
Oh, wow. That's crazy.
And then you got to write one, like in six months. Yeah, that was...
How did you get to write? That was like someone giving you the keys to a really, really expensive car. It was the hardest thing I've ever done just because we had no time.
And Justin Lin, who was the director, who's a brilliant, brilliant guy, but he's not a verbal communicator. And it was really hard to understand what he wanted at first.
Like he used to drive me insane. And there's some people know it's Star Trek Beyond.
Star Trek Beyond, yeah. And myself and Doug Jung, we we wrote that script together but it was loads of fun and doug came to stay with me in the uk and we'd we'd write during the day and then at night we'd watch episodes of the original series just to try and get little easter eggs to put in and um we eventually ended up i you know weirdly it was the first time i'd faced the idea of being rewritten by someone else.
That's wild. You know, we'd worked really hard on it.
And then our producer, Lindsay, called and said, we're going to get some fresh eyes on the script. And I was like, what the fuck? Like, I'd never experienced that before.
And I was so incensed and angry that, how dare you? I come from my cushy little British filmmaking background. Well, Sean's mom used to get fresh eyes about every two months, right? Is that right? What we did was we'd get...
Justin Lin would send us the rewrites and then Doug and I would secretly rewrite them and then send them back to Justin and then Justin would deliver them to Paramount as his notes. So we would secretly rewrite the rewrites.
If you're listening to this, Paramount, then it all worked out okay in the end, sure. That's fucking great.
What a great way to rig the system in your favor. Yeah, that's why I just can't believe.
Did you get rewritten at all on Paul? No.

No.

And it shows.

No.

No, the Lorenzo?

No, we didn't.

We were lucky.

What was the Lorenzoil?

Lorenzo Zoyl.

That was your...

Lorenzo Zoyl.

When we came up with your character name,

we took the day off.

It was the deepest cut.

That's enough brilliance for the day.

It was Nick's idea.

Lorenzo Zoyl.

Right. Then how do I reveal that? Like, aren't't i being at least near the end of the movie right like under the spaceship or something your reaction to that i'm not saying i'm not just saying that your reaction to that is one of the most supreme comedy double takes i have ever witnessed in any any comedy forum well it was wasn't the joke that like it was was the first time I'd really heard it said.
And I was like, oh, fuck. What? You go, we go, agent, you say something like, thank you, Agent Zoyle.
You go, call me Lorenzo. And we go, Lorenzo Zoyle.
And you go, yeah. Then you sort of do this, hmm.
Like you suddenly heard it for the first time. And it's just fucking sublime, Jason.
It really is. It really just, it's just textbook.
It's not surprising that I remember little of that because I think it was a night shoot, if memory serves. It was a night shoot, yeah.
We were up on the ski ball with Sigourney Weaver. And Taos, as Kristen Wiig used to call it.
Taos. Taos, that's right.
So Edgar Wright, who we've already established as one of your besties and does a lot of stuff he I didn't know I didn't know this I didn't know he wrote and directed Baby Driver I love that movie I love that movie so much really I mean that is a masterpiece he had that script for a long time yeah and I hear I heard you do somewhere an impression of him can you do just a little bit of Edgar he'll listen to this and he'll kill me. His voice is quite high.
That's terrible. He gets quite drunk and he's talking in your ear quite loud.
Edgar has a right to come on the show now himself and effort. He does send me reviews of episodes sometimes via text.
Edgar, my phone number's still the same. Where's my text? Not reviews, but he'll say, I really enjoyed it.
I could listen to you do that for nine hours. And Nick does it really well as well.
It's got his very high. It's kind of like a pterodactyl.
Oh, my God. But he is, you know, I mean, I've counted one of the luckiest moments of my life meeting Edgar

just because he is such an extraordinary talent.

And, you know, I love him to bits.

So I'm sure he'll forgive me for doing his voice quite like this.

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And now back to the show. I remember like it was yesterday, although I'm not sure of some of the details, but I'm pretty sure it was a screening of Hot Fuzz that I believe you were there with me, Willie, that we got invited to, and I met you and Nick and Edgar, and Edgar, or all you guys, had loved Arrested Development.
Like, that's why we were there. That's how we got invited.
And I remember that as being one of the first times that I thought, oh, this show is being seen by cool folks. Simon, I think you're thinking the same thing I am.
It was a screening of the movie that you did with Mike Judge. Oh, yeah.
It was... It was the screening of...
Oh, Extract. Extract.
Extract. Yeah, that's it.
Simon, did we go together or something? Were we met up there with Edgar or something? Wow. That's right.
And then afterwards we were in the bar and there was you, me, Amy, and you guys and Amy and me. And there was some...
I remember there was some paparazzi shots of us all kind of like hanging off each other and smiling and drinking. And I remember being really...
Was I drinking? I don't know. I was still drinking at that time.
No, you weren't. Jason, you were not.
No, I was still on it in those days. No, well, Paul's right when you got sober, right? Around that time.
Just after Paul, yeah. I was pretty drunk through Paul.
But it was like the year after that that I got sober. Good for you.
Good for you, yeah. I have to fan out because I'm not going to...
Go, Sean. So Star Wars universe and Star Wars world and like growing up was that surreal getting like invited into that world and then like, you know, being around Carrie Fisher and all of those people and was that you behind the thing for six portions? Was that you, that big guy? Yeah, that was me in the big fat suit, yeah.
And was that all CGI or was that just you? They CGI'd my face a little bit just to make me look less human, but it was a big suit and, yeah, he was called Unkar Plutt and he owned the Millennium Falcon, which is like, you know, I was very happy with the fact that I have now owned the Millennium Falcon and been the engineer on the Starship Benz. That's a personal triumph.
But wait, so like growing up and like seeing, were you a fan and then now you're in it and you're around Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford? I mean, were you like... Yeah, it was extraordinary.
I, you know, I mean, that set as well of The Force Awakens because it felt very much like the first sort of, you know, the first Star Wars, the Star Wars I grew up loving. And to be around those guys,

I was on set the day when Harrison Ford

and Han and Chewie came onto the Millennium Falcon again

for the first time.

Crazy, I cried.

I cried like a child.

And then I had a great,

I've told this story before,

but it's a good story.

It's worth telling.

I had a massive crush on Carrie Fisher when I was a kid.

I mean, she was the first romantic love

that I remember feeling, you know,

and I would kiss her picture before I went to sleep. And I was just in love with her this is pre-return of the jedi before even you know well you had a poster and you'd make out with a poster or something i kind of kissed it quite sort of coyly because i wasn't i was seven eight i think i was when i saw stars it didn't get to the uk till 1978 uh so i'm on set with her and we're walking around oh well just the...
Just look at Will's face, just trying to come up with what would the poster that Sean was... Oh, my...
Oh, Sean? Yeah. Lightsabers.
She... We were walking around the set of the Resistance base arm in arm and I was kind of chatting with her and stuff and I stopped and I looked at her her eyes.
And I said, you know, and the thing was, it was the same fucking eyes. It was the same, I know that's an obvious thing to say, but it was her eyes.
The eyes that I had just dreamed of ever looking into as a kid. And I said, you know, I've always loved you, don't you? Oh, God.
And she grabbed my hand and she looked at my wedding and she went fuck you nice really she's so funny she's the best she said you know the the one thing she said to me when i first met her years and years and years and years ago never met her in my whole life was sitting right next to her at this dinner and she goes you know han solo and i were fucking the whole time. And I was like...
I was like, what?

It completely shattered everything.

There's that roast she did.

I think it's a roast of Harrison Ford or something,

but she starts talking and she starts talking about

how nervous Harrison Ford looks

because he doesn't know what she's going to say

because obviously, you know, shit happened.

Right, right.

Wait, really?

Okay, so wait.

So there you are.

So now it was Force Awakens.

Is that what you're talking about?

That was what I was in, yeah.

Yeah, Force Awakens.

Because that was like 30 years after the Battle of Endor, right?

Fuck you, Will.

No, hang on.

So I'm just trying to think because there's that pilot,

what's his name? Poe Dameron

and he's on the desert planet

of Jakku.

Are you looking at Wikipedia?

Yes, he is.

No, what?

Yes, he is.

Moron.

I can't believe they were on Jakku

that whole time, that guy.

By the way, did you notice...

Did you notice

that some people say in that movie,

some people say Jakku and other people say Jakku? Of course I fucking noticed it, dude. It's Jakku.
Of course. It's Jakku, right.
It's a double K. Of course I noticed it.
And then I went and I bought a rope and I bought a chair and I was like, what would be a good spot for this? Fucking hell. Okay, but wait.
I say that with love. You know that I love it.
So sometimes, so after the Star Wars or one of the 27 Star Treks, whatever, I read that you went on vacation and you said, don't, I don't want, you told your agent, I don't want anybody to bother me. I don't want any phone calls only if it's Steven Spielberg and then Steven Spielberg actually fucking calls you and tells you why.
He did, yeah. Oh my God.
He phoned and said, would you, will you come and be in ready player one yes i love that movie too and um which is obviously an incredible call to get and we'd work with him you know because he does a little cameo in paul as well um so i'd work with him on tin tin and then he came in and did his little bit in paul and then and then i got to do ready player one. And to work with him is a dream.

He's just the most extraordinary.

Yeah, of course.

I mean, he's everything that I loved about cinema as a kid and as an adult.

And he's very willing to sort of chat about his career and stuff.

He's really, really...

I love that.

Without crowing, he'll just tell you stories about Jaws and Close Encounters.

It's just such a privilege.

He was at Sean's opening night.

Oh, did he go see your play?

Yeah, yeah.

He's an investor in it.

He's such a nice fella.

Oh, yeah. He's an investor in it.
Nice fella. Oh, wow.
Has he been on the show? Yeah. Yeah.
Last year. Super nice.
Wait, so Ready Player One. So then you talked a little bit about the English.
You talked about a little bit like American humor versus English humor. And like how something about like, something about like how we always say just kidding or something, but Americans like...
Yeah, well, that's sort of, there's a weird thing. It comes from a lot of sort of snobbishness in British comedy circles sometimes that you hear, oh, Americans, they don't do irony.
And it's such a bullshit statement because Americans do some of the greatest irony ever. You guys just don't use it so much socially.
Present company accepted. I mean, Jason particularly, because you've got a British mom, right? So you're just drier than many a desert.
And I'm usually grumpy, so it's kind of a double negative. So yeah, you're virtually British.
I'm very hungry. He's hungry.
So hungry. But because British people are very ashamed of their emotions, they just wrap everything in sarcasm and irony, socially, you know.
But I think American people generally are just a little less uptight. And so if they do say something dry, they'll qualify it as just kidding, just in case that person thinks that they were being serious, which is fair enough.
But you only have to watch... I mean, Arrested is a great example of a brilliantly dry comedy show.
I actually started showing my 14-year-old daughter the show the other day, which was great because it meant I could sort of go back to the beginning. And it's such a good example of dry American humor at its best.
Well, but it pales in comparison to all the Monty Python stuff, I mean, the British office. I mean, that whole style of not winking and just playing everything as a drama, but a deeply flawed character in a drama.
Then you've got real good humor. Wait, so another Mission Impossible coming out soon on July 12th.
Didn't you guys just do two in a row? Yeah. Are you filming the second part now? We're in the midst of doing two in a row.
Oh my God. We've stopped filming now so they can finish Dead Reckoning Part One.
And then we go out on a big press tour over the summer. We'll be in New York.
Free tickets to your show, please, Sean. The Belasco Theater.
Of course, anytime you want. The Belasco, the Tabasco Theater.
Tabasco Theater. It's hot as hell in there.
Spicy shows. Another show.
And then we go back to shooting in August, and then we complete Part 2, which will be out next year. And it's been a hell...
I mean, we started shooting this one in 2020 um no way september of 2020 wow i mean it's taken us three years to shoot this movie wow that's wow right in the thick of the hoax i mean we kind of pandemic what did i say you said hoax yeah i mean simon you haven't stopped you haven't stopped making great stuff I know. For like 20 years.
Yeah, I know I know. I mean...
I want to get to that. Like, do you geek out like I would if I were you, when you get the scripts that you get or you produce or make? Like, are you a fan of the genre like I am? You know what I mean? Like, you're like, oh, this is so cool.
Yeah, I think I am, but I feel like I've aged out a little bit of stuff that I've not kind of kept up with all the new sort of Star Wars TV shows and stuff. And that's not to say that it's not because I'm sure I'm brilliant.
I can catch you up. Just call me.
I'll catch you. I'll give you a ring afterwards.
Wait, yeah, Simon, what kind of stuff are you watching comedy-wise? Because I'm trying to think if think if i watch any comedies really it's been a while um is there anything that's that's kind of i started watching the show last night i think you should leave oh yeah on netflix oh yeah yeah yeah i've heard about that yeah it's great i'm writing it's ridiculous yeah it's really good i just re-watched it with somebody because it's so because the episodes are like sort of 16 minutes long they're not're not that long. And I just got, when we were in Atlanta, I got Eli to go through and I watched them all again with him and they were just brilliant.
Yeah, it's really strange and, but hilarious. In a way that, in the way that like Python used to be, you know, like sort of slightly baffling.
It's a British show? You're not sure exactly why you're laughing. No, he's American.
He shot here. Tim Robinson, a brilliant, brilliant guy.

And as you know, the very nature of,

we had a lot of people from SNL on here over the last few years.

The nature of sketch comedy

is that it's really inconsistent.

It's so hard to, from sketch to sketch,

to always be strong or always be good.

And that show, I think you should leave,

those first six episodes...

Oh, you told me about that, Will.

...are consistently good. Every sketch, sketch to sketch.
I did watch it. Yeah, it is funny...
Oh, you told me about that, Will. ...are consistently good.

Every sketch, sketch to sketch.

I did watch it.

Yeah, it is funny.

That was a while ago.

Yeah, brilliant.

Simon, wait, I'm sorry.

This is the last Mission Impossible question

just because I'm upset.

Do you get to, because your character is so funny

and it's so natural,

that you get to write your own lines?

Like, are they cool with that?

Because it sounds like...

Not really. I mean, we don't really have have a script it's a very strange way of working really kind of make it up as we go along i don't believe it but that's crazy it's true i i have not ever read a script for the film i've just made um what tom and mcq chris mcquarrie and tom cruise they know the story they know the big set pieces they know They know that those set pieces get shot first usually.
And then Chris McQuarrie, who is a genius at sort of like solving problems, he will come up with the connective tissue, sort of grow the story kind of organically as we go. But they're so complex.
I know, but we get pages on the morning of shooting stuff. And I have to say, where have I been in the previous scene and where am I going? And it can be frustrating, but it sort of works.
And occasionally I get to kind of ad-lib silly stuff, like when we were shooting a scene for Fallout, when Tom was, I was sort of guiding. I'm basically like a GPS, that's my job in Mission Impossible.
I just read directions for where Tom Cruise needs to go. And all the stuff about having the map upside down and the 3D thing, that was all kind of thrown in the moment.
Oh, really? McHugh is a brilliant writer. He's an Oscar-winning writer.
He wrote The Usual Suspects. What an incredible director.
He just somehow thrives in that situation. Yeah, incredible.
I am so in love with those Mission Impossible movies. All of them so they're always great they're so good and you're always great in them i mean yeah and it's so hard you're so great in them and it's hard to believe that something that's so that has that kind of scope as jason said that's so good and complex and stuff that that you guys would sort of improvise in that way or not really have a full understanding to me on something so big uh i don't know i tell tell you where that wouldn't wash is on the oceanic planet of Ahto.
No way. You can close the wiki window.
No, you wouldn't be able to get away with it. Just shut that window down.
Nice callback. Well, on that note.
Beautifully done. Simon, you are like a dream.
We've taken too much of your time. This is so nice to go.
I feel like we just got started. Let's keep going.
I don't know. It's been so lovely.
We can do it two-parter. I know, I know.
Will you say hi to Nick Frost, please? I will, I will. Get him on.
Get Edgar on. And say hi to Edgar, too.
You know who put me onto this podcast was Naira Park, who you know, Jason. Oh, yeah.
She produced Paul. Oh, please tell her hi, too.
Yeah. She's Edgar, and Edgar, my producer, she's done everything we've ever done.

And last year she said, oh, you listen to Smartless, right?

And I said, no.

So I had the whole of the back catalog to sort of like,

which I literally have been like every time I go to the gym

or every time I go for a drive,

it's just become like the soundtrack.

And then like, however recently,

the idea of actually doing it came up. And man, it's just so i i i love you guys i think you're so amazing if you ever got any ideas of people we should have on the show please let us know yeah yes i'll send you some british people then you can do your please oh it's great to see you man yeah yeah it's so nice to meet you simon and such a fan you too sean it's a real pleasure

i am i'm serious about coming to see good night oscar i'd love to come see if i can anytime don't miss that yeah you'll be blown away simon we love you okay we love you slam this lid you slam it yeah slam it all right goodbye pali all right love you guys bye bye buddy well that's uh listen, listen, that is a round peg in a round hole.

Oh, nice.

That peg's no square.

No.

What else?

Those are really good, actually.

Thanks, man.

I'm coming up with a bye as we're talking.

Are you?

You know what I'm thinking about is this friend of mine.

I'm not kidding.

This is not getting to a bye.

I've been trying to connect the dots. I was thinking about Scotty.
Yeah. Because we were talking about Scotty.
Yeah, I told him. I told him Simon Pegg was going to be on.
He freaked out. And then remind me, I never told you this.
This is not a joke. One of my best buddies growing up, his name is Scotty Bear.
And then I thought about your... I swear to God.
Oh to god oh really yes that's funny because scotty's a bear and you like bony there right so i like scotty bone and fair yeah anyway so um wait but silent pack i've always wanted to meet him i can't believe you knew him i didn't know you got you guys knew him i knew you worked with him in paul jay yes but i didn't know you knew him. He seems really fun.
Jay's looking up a bye right now. No, I'm finding that my brain needs to completely shut down and focus on that, and I can't hear you guys right now.
JB, how fucking weird is that? So remember you thought it was a screening of Hot Fuzz, and that I remembered it was a fucking screening of Extract

and I remember going to the restaurant next door with Mike Judge and you and Amy and Simon.

What does that say? Does it say anything? I'm looking for something that might be good for me.

Is there something good that I don't remember it was a screening for me, my movie, that I'm

thinking it was for him and his movie? Does that say something nice about me? No. Are you trying

to get me like brownie points? Trying to fill up my own ledger, my own side of the ledger. No, I don't think...
No? You know, as a kid, I used to... Fuck me.
Oh, yeah. In Star Wars, you know...
Is this going to be... By the way, it better be amazing because you are like 0 for 40 right now.

He's already lost.

No, this is a good one.

You know, when I was a kid, I always used to mix up the pronunciation of Luke Skywalker's mentor.

I didn't know, I didn't think it was Obi-Wan Kenobi.

No, that's, no, no way.

I thought it was.

No way.

I can't allow it.

I thought it was Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Oh, I'll buy one Kenobi and two

malts.

What?

Sean, Sean.

Oh, buy.

Oh, buy one Kenobi.

Oh, buy one Kenobi.

And two malts.

Was that our out?

No.

No.

Smart.

Yes.

Smart. Yes.
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