"Eugene Levy"

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Pee during the music. Yeah, and then during the music, I'll be peeing right now.

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Speaker 5 Okay, I got something. I got something right here.

Speaker 4 Sean's got something. Hang on.
Why does it look like you're reading off a cue card?

Speaker 4 Are you reading off cue cards today? What are you talking about? Do you have,

Speaker 4 if you're flip your camera around and Scotty?

Speaker 5 Could you imagine Scotty's just there, like, dropping them?

Speaker 4 Just like Wally, who we mentioned, we haven't mentioned in Wally over at SNL, who's the greatest cue card guy of all time. Who is the brother of Spike Fairsting? Of Spike Fairsting.
Wait, what? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I didn't know that.

Speaker 4 We've talked about Wally before. He's the one of those two and

Speaker 4 super nice. Wally.

Speaker 4 Wally.

Speaker 5 Wait, I got something like about, you know, for Christmas a month or two ago, whenever Christmas was. Sure.
Scotty got me this.

Speaker 4 It's called Woobles, the Woobles Learn to Crochet Kit. Yeah.

Speaker 6 That qualifies as a present in your house, huh?

Speaker 5 Yeah, and it's everything's in this box.

Speaker 4 You know why he got you that instead? Because he got sick of saying, shut up.

Speaker 4 Shut up. So he just thought, fuck, he'll be distracted.

Speaker 4 And then I don't have to spend my day going, shut up.

Speaker 4 Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 4 Well,

Speaker 6 now you're busy being quiet and knitting. And he's got a couple of weapons around now to come with the kit just in case you start to run your mouth again.

Speaker 4 Right, but

Speaker 5 isn't that good? Wait, Jay, didn't you say you used to crochet or something?

Speaker 6 No, my sister did. My sister used to have a knitting.

Speaker 4 True. No, I said, no, my great-grandmother did.
Back on the homestead, my great-grandmother did when they were just, you know,

Speaker 4 trying to wait the winter out. She did.
That's what I think. I always me.

Speaker 6 Now, that little starter kit is unopened. It's been a moment.
I know we missed it since Christmas.

Speaker 4 I know. That's rude.
I know.

Speaker 4 Do you know my mom, my mom knits a lot, and she knits the kids' sweater. This is a true story.
And she knits the kids' sweaters for Christmas and stuff. She just sent some new websites.

Speaker 4 Why wouldn't it be true? No, I know.

Speaker 4 And she would love to knit you boys a sweater. So would you both like a cardigan or a V-neck or a crew neck?

Speaker 6 I like a V-neck, please.

Speaker 4 Ask Alex. Ask Alex nicely, and she'll do it.
Alex,

Speaker 6 can you please make me a V-neck, something that I can wear when I play golf with your son? Don't make it a turtleneck because I can't pull those off. And I know very few people that can.

Speaker 4 Thick, or do you want it kind of thick or kind of thin?

Speaker 6 You know, kind of thin.

Speaker 5 Okay, Sean? I would like, um, I would like a crew neck for me, thin, but for Jason, can the V go all the way down to show some of his cleavage?

Speaker 4 Super V.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well below both.
But you want a crew neck, Sean. I want a crew neck, Alex, please.

Speaker 6 Yes, and maybe, Alex, maybe put in some sort of a catch pouch, like a kangaroo catch pouch for Sean, just for the crumbs.

Speaker 4 That's

Speaker 4 and do you guys want like some Canadian little Canadian flag on it? No, thank you for beliefs or anything. No, thank you.
I would do that. Don't say so quick.
Brought an American flag. Okay, Jesus.

Speaker 5 I'll do like a nice little tiny maple flag. That'd be cool, like in a corner or the back or something.

Speaker 4 You know what? The Canadian, actually, if you think about it, this is a good tie-in to

Speaker 4 our next guest. You like segues.
You like segues?

Speaker 6 I think you just did the segue right there.

Speaker 4 Let's get right into it, Willie. We're into a segue.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 As a Canadian, he's somebody who's been making me laugh and also making me feel like, wow, this is so great that somebody Canadian who's from where I'm from can do this at such a high level.

Speaker 4 So it's inspirational.

Speaker 6 This is going to be a fun.

Speaker 4 And we've only sort of passed, really sort of said hello kind of once.

Speaker 4 And of course, he was just as gracious and had good vibe and kind of spirit that you could feel as I thought he would be, in addition to being super, super hilarious.

Speaker 4 And once I start listing his credits, you're going to know who it is.

Speaker 4 But suffice to say that he created a show that won nine Emmys one year, which is the the biggest ever for comedy in one year, including picking up two of his zone.

Speaker 4 He comes from, his background in comedy is like of the highest order from just, you know,

Speaker 4 his credits are comedies that are that are just enshrined in the Mount Rushmore of comedy, whether it be sketch or a film. And then he went on to TV to create this series that he created with his son.

Speaker 4 They did this series for about seven or eight seasons.

Speaker 6 Oh, let's get making him wait.

Speaker 4 Great, Eugene Levy.

Speaker 8 Good lord. Oh, Eugene.

Speaker 4 There he is. No, there he is.

Speaker 3 Gentlemen,

Speaker 3 how are you?

Speaker 4 How are you?

Speaker 4 Better now. Better now.

Speaker 3 I know. I feel like jumping out of a cake, but

Speaker 3 there's no cake.

Speaker 5 Eugene, I'm going to see you for dinner tomorrow.

Speaker 4 What?

Speaker 3 Yes, fantastic.

Speaker 6 Boy, I've never seen a look of shock before

Speaker 4 shock. And I've never seen a look of shock.
I'm not sure that dinner before. How can I get out of this

Speaker 4 on someone's face?

Speaker 6 Sean, where's this dinner that he doesn't know about?

Speaker 4 It's at Marty's. Where are you valeting tomorrow?

Speaker 6 Oh, at Marty's. Oh.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, I don't valet.

Speaker 4 Eugene, I got to tell you, man, you know, as a Canadian, as a fellow Canadian, I'm just...

Speaker 4 First of all, I love that we're having yet another person who is part of the incredible production of Godspell in Toronto from 1971 or whatever it was. Exactly, exactly, please.

Speaker 4 The greatest cast that

Speaker 4 opened at the Royal Alexander and moved up to the, I think, the Bayview. Bayview Playhouse.
Bayview Playhouse

Speaker 4 with the greatest cast of all time.

Speaker 5 Wait, is Bayview small or I don't know that?

Speaker 4 Well, it's kind of about

Speaker 3 it was it was a smaller theater in a section of the city that that was not what you would call the theater district.

Speaker 4 No, no.

Speaker 3 I'm not entirely sure what the district was, but it was a theater that we got to move into because they kicked us out. They only had us in the Royal Alex for three months.

Speaker 3 It was only booked over the summer, right? When they're when everything is kind of low-key there.

Speaker 3 So we had to be out in September, so they found this other theater, and we were there for another year.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 remind us, Eugene, yeah, who else was in the cast? Remind us.

Speaker 3 Yes, okay. Well, Victor Garber, of course,

Speaker 3 was our Jesus.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 he only played in the show for a month because they hired him to do the movie.

Speaker 3 So as soon as we opened the show, he was only in it for a month, and then he got to go to New York and then shoot the movie.

Speaker 4 Sure.

Speaker 3 And so Andrea Martin, of course,

Speaker 3 was in that show. But Andrea didn't get hired initially.

Speaker 3 And there was another girl that got hired for that classic day-by-day song. Day by day.

Speaker 4 Call her the day-by-day girl.

Speaker 4 I'm sorry, Eugene. Sorry, really quick.

Speaker 3 Really?

Speaker 3 Do I have to wrap up? No, no, no.

Speaker 5 I was just going to say,

Speaker 5 if Cher sang Day by Day, it would be Do Ba Do.

Speaker 4 Okay, go ahead.

Speaker 4 He's got Tourette's when it comes to that. It's almost Tourette.
He's got to get it out.

Speaker 3 So anyway, this girl got pregnant and they had to let her go. And so there was an opening.
And I was friends with Andrea at the time. So

Speaker 3 I called her to say,

Speaker 3 you know,

Speaker 3 the director is having a party tomorrow night. Why don't you come to the party and just bring your A-game, okay? Because, you know,

Speaker 3 they're looking for a replacement. And she did, and she was hysterical that night.
Of course. And the next day, the director calls New York and says, you know,

Speaker 3 I think I found the girl. And

Speaker 3 there you go. Andrea got in.
Marty Short,

Speaker 3 my good friend from Hamilton, Ontario. We went to school together.
And I talked Marty into coming in and auditioning for the show because I had auditioned for it.

Speaker 3 He was still writing his final exams at McMaste University at the time.

Speaker 4 He still is, by the way.

Speaker 3 And I said, well,

Speaker 3 he works a little slower. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Not true.

Speaker 3 So he was in it.

Speaker 3 Gilda Radner.

Speaker 4 God bless. All in the cast.
Dave Thomas.

Speaker 3 Dave Thomas was in it. He was in the

Speaker 3 what Marty likes to call the B cast. It was like when everybody left after a year, they brought in a new cast and Dave came in as the new cast.

Speaker 4 I see, I see. And not Dave Thomas from Wendy's, just for our listener out.

Speaker 3 Not that day.

Speaker 4 Dave Thomas from the Great White.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 3 it was great.

Speaker 3 It really was a fun time. And the great thing is we're still friends.
We're all friends. We became friends back then, and we're still friends.

Speaker 5 And was it because of that that you all started Second City?

Speaker 4 SCTV? Well, that's my next question. How did SCTV, all those same

Speaker 4 people end up, or a lot of those people end up at SC TV? What was that migration?

Speaker 3 Well, we were very fortunate in Toronto back then, in 72, because

Speaker 3 these were kind of bigger American productions that were coming into town. And we happened to hook, like with Godspell, was coming in from New York.
So we, you know, we auditioned for it.

Speaker 3 Marty and I, you know, got in. There were like probably 500 people auditioning for the show.
And

Speaker 3 we, and both of us

Speaker 3 got in.

Speaker 3 And again, when Godspell ran its course,

Speaker 3 Second City moved up from Chicago to open a Toronto branch. Yeah.
And so,

Speaker 3 you know, we all went out and auditioned for that.

Speaker 6 Eugene, with all of these folks being such

Speaker 6 elite comedic minds

Speaker 6 at that time from that region,

Speaker 6 I mean, I bet you've been asked this question a million times, so I apologize.

Speaker 4 What's in the water?

Speaker 6 Yeah, can you attribute it to anything?

Speaker 6 Was there a

Speaker 6 leader, a tonal, comedic tonal leader that kind of freed all you guys up to kind of do the same hilarious take on things?

Speaker 3 I think think I might have been the leader. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Look like the leader.

Speaker 3 No,

Speaker 3 that's not true.

Speaker 3 The odd thing is I'm not, you know, I've never been.

Speaker 3 The biggest thing I've had to deal with in my life is being introduced as comedian Eugene Levy because I'm actually not a comedian as so far 20 minutes into this, you guys can attest.

Speaker 4 But,

Speaker 3 you know,

Speaker 3 I've always got my laughs through characters and everything else. But

Speaker 3 as a human being, I'm not, you know, I don't consider myself, I don't kind of look through that comic prism the way

Speaker 3 look at life through that prism the way stand-ups do, you know, where everything has to be funny.

Speaker 5 But you love improv and bits and stuff like that, right?

Speaker 4 Yeah, you always have to do it.

Speaker 3 No, no, no, it's all sure, because you can still get to do it through character. Yeah.

Speaker 3 The scariest thing for me ever performing was playing anybody close to myself, and then I would just like really just clam up and say, why am I doing this you know

Speaker 4 but you know give me a mustache and some you know slinky glasses and a hat and I'm like you know well the slinky glasses you just have to attach to the frames you have now no but I I get that I I feel the same way when people sort of say

Speaker 4 well sometimes say comedian and I'm like well I'm not a comedian I'm not a stand-up I didn't come up through that I didn't even I mean at least you were you were in Second City so you were doing sketch comedy and then you did SCTV which was a you know film sketch comedy

Speaker 4 I didn't even do any of that either. So I, but I, I get that when people kind of slap that on you and you're like, wow, I don't really think of myself as a joke.
As a comedian.

Speaker 4 Although, man, I got to say, Eugene, I've gone back and looked at so many, and I've, you know, obviously grew up with SC TV. And again, as a Canadian and growing up in Toronto, I,

Speaker 4 you know, we were so proud that we had SCTV came from Toronto. And we were so, we looked up to you guys.

Speaker 4 So you guys were the the people that I watched and and was able to go like these guys did it I mean you know not if these guys can do it we can do it we looked up to you guys well you know

Speaker 3 when you're starting anything in Canada or Toronto the way we did you

Speaker 3 It has to be like, for example, SCTV was, you know, we started when SNL came on in, what, 75? Yeah.

Speaker 3 We came on in 76 because Bernie Solins, who owned the Second City Theater back then, which had said, well, we're losing all our people to SNL because SNL was kind of, you know, half Second City and half Lampoon basically when they started.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 all our people are going to be going to SNL. We should start our own show.
So we came up with the, you know, SCTV,

Speaker 3 Second City Television.

Speaker 3 And, you know, while they were the toast of Broadway and New York, you know,

Speaker 3 our budget was $7,000 a show when we

Speaker 3 started SCTV. And it was only a Toronto show back in 76.

Speaker 5 And in SCTV, in seconds, in SCTV, it was you, Catherine O'Hara, John Candy, Marty Short again.

Speaker 5 Again, it was all of these other people that are now just known as comedic.

Speaker 6 You know, was Martin Moll a part of that?

Speaker 4 No. No.

Speaker 3 No, no, no. I met

Speaker 3 Martin Moll

Speaker 3 when we were working on.

Speaker 3 Well, anyway, I kind of won't go anywhere soon. But

Speaker 3 I met him on a movie. We were both doing a thing called.

Speaker 4 Are you nervous about serving prison time or something? Yeah, because we've all been locked up.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 it's actually a funny story, but it was

Speaker 3 we were working on one of those

Speaker 3 Richie Rich things back years ago.

Speaker 3 And, you know, Christmas Wish or something.

Speaker 6 Richie Rich and the Christmas Wish.

Speaker 4 I watch it every year.

Speaker 3 I was playing

Speaker 3 Professor Keen Bean and I was playing him

Speaker 3 as kind of a Brit and a big mustache and very, very excitable.

Speaker 4 And I was playing him like that with mustache and glasses.

Speaker 3 And we were on a break on the set one day, and I'm sitting beside Martin. I looked at him and I said, Martin,

Speaker 3 what are we doing here?

Speaker 4 Paying bills.

Speaker 3 And he said, hey, it doesn't say asshole on the check.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 I

Speaker 4 think

Speaker 3 that was meeting Martin. But no, Martin was not a part of that.

Speaker 3 But it's like I was saying in Toronto, you know, back in the early 70s, that's like Dan Aykroyd and

Speaker 3 a girl named Valerie Bromfield and, you know, and John Candy, right? So, I mean,

Speaker 3 these people were just, I mean, that was kind of the scene

Speaker 3 back then. And eventually everybody kind of hooked up either on Godspell or on Second City.

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Speaker 6 When did you first work with Christopher Guest?

Speaker 4 Well,

Speaker 4 I

Speaker 3 first encountered, well, listen, Chris was, I was a fan of Chris's

Speaker 3 from the National Lampoon days, you know, when I'd listened to the radio broadcast. And I knew, you know,

Speaker 3 Bill Murray was on that, and Gilda Radner and Paul Schaefer and Harold Ramos.

Speaker 3 But there was a guy who did voices and characters that just blew me away.

Speaker 3 And I kept thinking, who is this guy? He had the most incredible voice, you know, that kind of deep, nasally kind of thing. And his characters were insane.

Speaker 4 And I laughed so hard.

Speaker 3 and found out that this guy's name was Chris Guest. And then I met him on Billy Crystal special in the mid-80s, 85.

Speaker 3 But we didn't work together. But when he was on camera, I made sure I was on set that day and I would just sit and watch him

Speaker 3 and try not to laugh and

Speaker 3 blow the take.

Speaker 3 I got to work with him again in the late 80s, directing one of Marty's specials,

Speaker 3 I Martin Short Goes Hollywood.

Speaker 3 And Chris was on that working with Marty

Speaker 4 and

Speaker 3 they played two gossip columnists and basically improvised their entire rant on camera. Wow.
And again, it was

Speaker 3 still the funniest footage that

Speaker 3 I have.

Speaker 3 to date. So, cut to mid-90s, I get a call in Toronto, and it's Chris guest on the phone, and he said, I'm thinking of working on a movie.

Speaker 3 Would you want to work on it with me? And I, you know, and I'm, my heart was kind of palpitating over the phone because I,

Speaker 3 I mean, I didn't know him. I just worked, you know,

Speaker 4 big fan. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Huge fan. And that movie was.

Speaker 3 Well, the movie turned out to be waiting for Goffman. So he said, you know, I've got a cabin up in the

Speaker 3 Idaho, and,

Speaker 3 you know, we can go up there and work. And I thought, Jesus, what am I, you know, I don't know this.

Speaker 4 He's trying to get me away for the weekend.

Speaker 3 I don't know, but working in a cabin, working on a script.

Speaker 3 What happens if...

Speaker 4 Six rolls of duct tape. What's going on?

Speaker 4 What happens if it doesn't work out?

Speaker 3 What happens if it's a nightmare?

Speaker 3 How do I get to the airport?

Speaker 4 Right.

Speaker 6 How did he present that project? Did he say it was all going to be improvised or that there was going to be some sort of a loose scripture and outline?

Speaker 3 At the time, he just said,

Speaker 3 I'm thinking of putting it together. Would you want to help write it?

Speaker 3 And so I said, What's the worst that can happen? If it just, if it doesn't work out, I just go to the airport and fly home. And that's it.
So I went there. I flew there.

Speaker 3 And from the time he picked me up at the airport to the time we got to the cabin, I was laughing so hard.

Speaker 3 And, you And I had him laughing as well. And

Speaker 3 we started working on this thing. Wow.
And I knew from Spinal Tap, listen, when I saw Spinal Tap,

Speaker 3 I was

Speaker 3 so

Speaker 3 envious

Speaker 3 of anybody that was in it. It was the most brilliant thing I had ever seen.

Speaker 4 Give you for being honest that you were envious. A lot of people would say, I loved it.

Speaker 3 I love that you saw you you were envious no i i was envious listen i my good friend paul schafer was in it and he's not even an actor right

Speaker 5 so eugene you know i have to tell you when i when i went to go see waiting for goffman when it first came out half

Speaker 5 i forget the year that it came out but this is a badge of honor what i'm about to say half the theater walked out because they didn't understand that it was improvised they didn't get the comedy like the and and the other half of the theater was like crying laughing i mean and so it was just interesting.

Speaker 3 Was this in this country or like the Far East?

Speaker 5 It was this country.

Speaker 5 And then as people caught on and realized, oh, this is, and understood the comedy and understood the improv, it became this huge, huge hit, you know.

Speaker 5 But for my sister, Tracy, a lot of it's improvised, right? So it's not a script with specific dialogue. Yeah.
It was just an outline saying like, this scene will be about this. And

Speaker 4 Sean, was this like in Illinois? You could probably hear like the 300-ounce Mountain Dews hitting the ground as people

Speaker 4 stomped out. I'm going to say stomped out or thundered out.

Speaker 5 But it was really kind of a unique, different style of comedy that people didn't see before. And I think people didn't get it.

Speaker 4 And now they do, of course.

Speaker 3 In the mold of Spinal Tap, this is what Chris was putting together with Waiting for Guffman. So, you know, we did, we put together a very,

Speaker 3 you know, detailed outline. We, you know, we lay out the story.
We lay out all the story points scene by scene so that it moves.

Speaker 3 Otherwise,

Speaker 3 it's just a free-for-all of improvisation and like, you know, you're in trouble. And, you know, you can't pay an editor.

Speaker 4 You have to have an idea of where you're going and what your objective is.

Speaker 3 Yeah. So

Speaker 3 we laid everything out.

Speaker 3 And if we had some funny lines,

Speaker 3 we would put them in the script if we thought it was funny, but we didn't hold anybody to saying them. We just

Speaker 3 put that in, in, but more or less how the information came out was up to the

Speaker 3 brilliant cast.

Speaker 6 So the script would basically be,

Speaker 6 this is what the scene should be about. This information should be revealed in this scene.

Speaker 3 Yes. Corky walks into rehearsal very upset because he's one of the great characters of all time.

Speaker 4 Of all time.

Speaker 3 Of all time.

Speaker 5 Really?

Speaker 5 And you know, it's so funny, Catherine, I was just talking to Catherine O'Hara the other day, and she was telling me, because I was like, how when you made those movies, I was asking her, did you guys not just break up laughing constantly?

Speaker 5 Because I would have been on the floor. And she goes, she told me, I don't know if it was that or Best in Show, where

Speaker 5 you did, she said, she did something, somebody did something that made you laugh so hard, but you didn't want to ruin the take, so you crawled out of the scene on your floor.

Speaker 3 Speaking of being on the floor,

Speaker 3 that was in Guffman, and that was, of course, Corky. That was Chris.
And he had this,

Speaker 3 you remember the dance move he had with his pants on backwards? Yes, of course. He would kind of

Speaker 4 trust that thing.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And that got me every time, and I just could not stop laughing. So there's a scene in the movie where he's teaching us choreography.

Speaker 3 And he, and every time he makes this move, I go crazy and I start laughing. So I worked my way.
to the back of the group

Speaker 3 so I could hide behind them.

Speaker 3 And then I was actually still gut laughing so hard that i dropped to my knees and i crawled off the set so that they could keep shooting and nobody you know what i mean it's a group scene it didn't matter that's hysterical um but but that troop that you guys uh cultivated curated uh all those actors uh you guys went on to do uh a few movies together how many i mean i i wish you guys would just keep going and going mighty winds best in the show guffman for your your consideration.

Speaker 4 Wow. You know,

Speaker 4 it occurs to me, Eugene, that you, if you think about, it just occurs to me, like, looking back at starting with Godspell and then Second City, SCTV,

Speaker 4 and then working with Chris Guest and that whole crew, that you really,

Speaker 4 it seems to me, and you can tell me if you, if this is right, that you enjoy working and collaborating in an ensemble,

Speaker 4 that you get a lot out of that process and

Speaker 4 you really shine in an ensemble.

Speaker 4 Even the show you did with your son, which I want to get to with Dan,

Speaker 4 that you love being part of almost like a troop each time.

Speaker 4 There's a similarity there that you create a community.

Speaker 4 Do you enjoy that? Does that make you, does that invigorate you?

Speaker 4 Well, of course.

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 yeah,

Speaker 3 to be a part of it

Speaker 3 energizes you. You've all had that experience.
I mean, you guys, you know, Will and Grace must have been like that. Arrested Development must have been like that.
Yeah, it was super fun. You know,

Speaker 3 you enjoy watching

Speaker 3 other people

Speaker 3 doing their thing.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's fun.

Speaker 6 You know? Yeah, and it's infectious. One plus one makes three.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 It's insane. And it's kind of fun.

Speaker 3 It's fun work. Those movies were

Speaker 3 fun work because you never really know

Speaker 3 What you know, what's going to happen when we did Guffman my first scene even though we were writing it and I knew it was an improvised movie my first day of shooting

Speaker 3 When I got to

Speaker 3 Austin, we were shooting in Texas Lockhart Texas actually was the town We got there and I'm ready to shoot my scene. I go in and then I say to Chris,

Speaker 3 so where do you want to rehearse?

Speaker 3 He said, What do you mean?

Speaker 3 I said, Well, where do you want to go over the scene? Where do you want to, where should we work it out? What, what do you mean?

Speaker 3 I said, just to rehearse the scene. He said, no, the cameras are there.

Speaker 3 We're going to be doing it on camera.

Speaker 7 First take.

Speaker 3 First take. I said,

Speaker 3 oh,

Speaker 4 oh,

Speaker 3 okay.

Speaker 3 So we do it

Speaker 3 just on camera.

Speaker 4 Right. Yeah, okay.
No practicing.

Speaker 3 And that, you know,

Speaker 3 but that becomes a very kind of joyous experience because you don't know what's going to happen.

Speaker 3 You don't know what people are necessarily going to say, how they're going to say it, what's going to happen. And it's kind of, and holding it together

Speaker 3 is kind of a key thing we learned over the move over the number of movies that

Speaker 3 as much as you want to laugh like we did in Guffman because it was just so much fun. It was like

Speaker 3 kids at school, you know, doing a play.

Speaker 6 What is your secret?

Speaker 6 Do you have a secret trick not to laugh? I mean, I like to drive a nail into my fingernail into my leg a little bit.

Speaker 4 Oh, hang on.

Speaker 4 I want to hear Eugene's trick because I know what Jason's real one is. Go ahead, Eugene.

Speaker 3 I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 You know what the thing is?

Speaker 3 I think it's just

Speaker 3 bearing the brunt of how disappointing it would be if there's a great take happening and you ruin it and you blow it by laughing right

Speaker 3 and when you're improvising a scene you will never get that exact moment again you know yeah right it just won't happen again right right right so if you're the one that blows it you're going to have to go back and do it and are you going to get the same thing probably not so there's a moment that's gone so just the guilt factor alone.

Speaker 6 And it wasn't your moment by definition. You know, you're laughing at what someone else is creating and you're wrecking their creation.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Sometimes, you know, if it's my moment, there's a possibility I might laugh.

Speaker 4 Right. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Because I surprised myself.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 3 I can't really hold back.

Speaker 4 It'd be great if you said, and it was my moment because

Speaker 4 I'm my biggest fan. Yeah.
And

Speaker 4 I enjoy my work. I enjoy my work.
Yeah.

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Speaker 6 And now back to the show.

Speaker 5 I would like to know, I would like to talk about what we're not talking about, which is Shit's Creek, which is a lot of people.

Speaker 4 I know, I was getting, this is all the building. Okay, well, come on,

Speaker 4 you created a show with great sensations with your son.

Speaker 4 With your son, Dan.

Speaker 5 And it's one of the greatest comedies of all time now. And I've been sitting here since you got on.
I want to talk about it. And

Speaker 5 I want to know how it happened. Because I love Dan.
Dan's like such a, he's you. He's like sweet, normal, hilarious, funny, great, like outgoing.
Like everybody loves him. Everybody loves you.

Speaker 5 So how did that happen? And how did you do that?

Speaker 6 I can't confirm because I haven't met him yet, but it sounds right.

Speaker 4 He seems so. Once you meet him, I'd love to get your take on him.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 4 And if you could let Eugen know what you think of his son, too, that'd be nice.

Speaker 6 I'll put it up on my blog.

Speaker 4 What a fucking dick.

Speaker 7 Quick review, Eugene.

Speaker 3 No, he's done.

Speaker 3 He

Speaker 3 has, I have to say,

Speaker 3 both my kids have all the talent that the dad didn't quite have.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 B.S.

Speaker 4 I'm calling him B.S.

Speaker 3 He's he's really

Speaker 3 quite amazing.

Speaker 3 And we started this thing,

Speaker 3 you know, when he said, do you want to work on a show?

Speaker 3 I, you know, I said,

Speaker 3 yeah,

Speaker 3 yeah, that would be good. I didn't, I never thought that would happen.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 So, but that was good. And it was watching, it was like watching, and no matter what happened,

Speaker 3 it was the experience of doing this with him that I thought, okay, this is probably a once-in-a-lifetime thing.

Speaker 3 Just make, make, you know, make the most of it. Enjoy it.
This is great. Never thought it would happen.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 so we start working on this and then you know i i had at one point i had a nightmare

Speaker 3 i woke up in a cold sweat thinking what if he doesn't have it uh sure sure

Speaker 3 at what point

Speaker 3 i mean we're going to keep working on this this idea face replacement

Speaker 3 if i know that he doesn't quite have what it takes yeah

Speaker 3 how long are we going to keep working on this as a project or at what point do I sit him down? And do I tell him he just doesn't have it?

Speaker 4 Sure. Yeah, that's a tough question.

Speaker 3 Or do we just keep working away? Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's like when Will's going to be a little bit more.

Speaker 3 Where he's kind of deluding himself. Right.
And, you know, you think Sophie had a choice.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Wow. Wow.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 3 I decided.

Speaker 3 But anyway, his work was his writing was great. His ideas were great.

Speaker 3 And so that never really happened. And when we got to the point of starting the show, he really, really exploded

Speaker 3 in terms of performing, in terms of writing, and then his producing skills kick in as well.

Speaker 4 I mean, it's so, Eugene, so funny. I remember watching just from the first episode, the pilot episode, all the way through that,

Speaker 4 especially that first season, just getting to know and seeing all these moves and seeing how funny funny it was, and just thinking, God, this is so good. And what, but what was the moment that maybe,

Speaker 4 maybe not even through your own lens, did you, do you remember kind of somebody else that you knew or respected or you worked with, and

Speaker 4 they were exposed to the material or to the show? And did anybody stop and say to you, like, hey, Eugene, hey, this is really good, man. You guys are on to something really.

Speaker 4 Do you remember a moment like that?

Speaker 3 I remember

Speaker 3 probably

Speaker 3 around the fourth

Speaker 4 or

Speaker 3 fifth episode. It was one of the shows.
Listen, I was thrilled to death when I saw the shows

Speaker 3 coming together. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And I knew it was

Speaker 3 good. And then around the fourth or fifth show,

Speaker 3 I knew it was...

Speaker 3 really good. This is something that is really interesting.
This is something that is working on so many levels to me.

Speaker 3 And a lot of it had to do with the cast, you know, just picking the right people, picking just the perfect Alexis. And of course, Catherine was always our first choice for Moira.

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 Catherine is so incredibly, I mean, what an unbelievable sort of generational talent, Catherine O'Hara. And then the great, and Annie Murphy, so great, and your daughter Sarah, and all these people.

Speaker 4 I mean, it was just every piece of it worked.

Speaker 4 Now, so you do this series with Daniel.

Speaker 4 Tremendous success.

Speaker 6 Tremendous.

Speaker 4 You guys, tremendous. You sell it around the world.
Global. You guys do really well.
And you make it with the CBC as your partner, CBC and Pop down

Speaker 4 here in the States.

Speaker 4 But, you know, it's a great deal for you guys.

Speaker 4 And you guys get to control the property a little bit more because you have this split deal and you're able to do and just really, a really great story of success and you guys put yourselves on the line to do it you shoot it up in canada where were you shooting in the middle of nowhere were you in sarnia or something

Speaker 3 no we our studio is in toronto okay um that our location was about an hour north of of toronto but yeah we we had we were for what town what town was that what town was that north of

Speaker 4 it's a town called goodwood sure goodwood sure yeah good yeah look at a place yeah you remember that that's sean's uh no but sean's website Don't you have a website that's similar to that with the rating,

Speaker 4 like a rating website? I forget what it is. Anyway, I forget what it is.
It's really good. A lot of uploads.

Speaker 4 But you're up there, you guys go up there, you're shooting this thing in Toronto, and you really kind of bet on yourselves in a way, right?

Speaker 2 I mean, you guys.

Speaker 3 Well, to be honest, we're just doing the show.

Speaker 3 The idea that we got the show on the air

Speaker 3 was it. That's all we cared about.

Speaker 4 Right, right.

Speaker 3 We finally did it. We got a show on the air.
Felt so good. And then the show was, you're doing the best job you can on the show.

Speaker 3 And fortunately, you know, we were getting very few and then eventually no notes from the network.

Speaker 3 So, yes,

Speaker 3 it's always fun when the inmates can run the asylum.

Speaker 4 Well, the CBC, what notes do they, I mean, who were you guys paired with? You were right after the Beachcombers, I think. I forget what the.

Speaker 4 The Beach Combers.

Speaker 4 forgot what you got paired with

Speaker 3 yeah that goes back a while that goes I know but listen executives are doing their job and they feel like they have to do their job so they're gonna you know they're gonna come in with

Speaker 4 they're gonna come in with notes actually you know what the CBC I like those people up there they've been very they're nice people good save thank you but I mean honestly once again I mean you guys did so many great seasons and you did and you won all these accolades and so well deserved and and I'm just you couldn't be happier And now, sorry, go ahead, you are.

Speaker 3 I was going to say you were very, you've been awfully kind,

Speaker 3 Will.

Speaker 3 You took part in our best wishes documentary, had just very lovely things to say about the show.

Speaker 4 Well, I love it. So that was

Speaker 4 a big fan of yours and your son, Daniel's, and your whole family, and you guys have done an awesome job.

Speaker 4 But then now you're doing this new show for Apple Plus called The Reluctant Traveler. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Which is,

Speaker 4 I love your face because you're like, yeah, I get the sense that you are legitimately a reluctant traveler.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I don't love traveling. And

Speaker 3 when they,

Speaker 3 you know, when they called me about this, you know, originally

Speaker 3 they had pitched a show about hotels. It was called Room of the View.
And I got a call from my agent saying, you know,

Speaker 3 they want you to, Apple wants you to

Speaker 3 host their interest in you hosting this show about hotels all over the world and I went oh wow

Speaker 4 okay

Speaker 3 that's interesting so it's a show about hotels I love I love a good hotel sure but you're doing a lot of traveling and then and there's cameras so you gotta and then you're doing so there's some talking involved and you and then you have to talk to people and you've got to generally be

Speaker 3 kind of, you know, interesting and

Speaker 4 chatty,

Speaker 3 which I'm not

Speaker 3 in real life, but I don't consider this real life.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 3 Thank you for it.

Speaker 3 So I said, well, thank them very much, but I honestly think they have the wrong guy. There's probably somebody who's much better at this than

Speaker 7 I am.

Speaker 4 So at this point, you're being the reluctant host. Nice.
Sorry, I'm being the reluctant host. Yeah, sorry to explain.

Speaker 3 I'm just being generally reluctant.

Speaker 4 Yeah, reluctant in general. Yeah, meanwhile,

Speaker 4 you turning it down, and they were like, He's the perfect guy.

Speaker 4 This is well,

Speaker 3 so what happened was they could,

Speaker 3 so they called back again saying, you know, they really want to talk to you. I said, What? I honestly, I don't understand what the point is.
I, okay, you know what? I'll

Speaker 3 set up the call and I can tell them myself, you know, because this is so we got, we set up the call, they're not hearing me,

Speaker 3 And I'm telling them why.

Speaker 3 I just, you know, I'm not the guy. I don't love, you know,

Speaker 3 I don't love my

Speaker 3 food palate is quite normal. I'm just a meat and potatoes kind of, I'm not into fancy thing.
It's traveling. I don't really love sightseeing bores me.

Speaker 3 I'm not big on water. I don't get me near water.

Speaker 3 And I'm hearing laughs and I'm getting laughs. And I'm thinking, well, this is great because

Speaker 3 I'm actually getting, I'm making my point and I'm keeping it light. And, you know, it's not a heavy.

Speaker 6 Little did you realize you're casting yourself.

Speaker 3 That's right. They get off the phone.
Emailed it. I found out after.
And the two, the exec producer and the executive from Apple,

Speaker 3 they said, the producer said, that's the show.

Speaker 3 It's not about forget hotels. That's the show.
It's the guy that doesn't want to travel that's doing all the traveling. So then they called back and they pitched that.
And

Speaker 3 I got I mean I got that you know because I can't pretend to be the traveler that I'm not right.

Speaker 3 But if I'm the traveler that I am and I'm on camera but nevertheless but it necessitates you now traveling and so you've been doing that how many yes oh it's been it's been really great.

Speaker 3 It's been quite a phenomenal show to do. So they try we've been to

Speaker 3 eight locations around the world, went to the Maldives. You know, when am I going? When am I ever, when would I ever go to the Maldives?

Speaker 5 Best place, best place, worst place. Yeah.

Speaker 3 We did go to Venice, where I've never been, but I've been to Italy. So I love Italy.
I adore, I love Italy. I just, you know, anywhere in Italy, I absolutely love it.

Speaker 4 So you've been, I mean, this is great. What an unbelievable career.
You've done, honestly, you've just, you've done so much and you continue to do so much.

Speaker 4 And, you know, I was just thinking every time I meet people like you, Eugene, who work with the same people and work with your friends your whole life, I always think about how lucky you are.

Speaker 4 And then it reminds me of how I was thinking this morning as I was coming down here to record, knowing that I was recording you, and I was thinking, I'm so lucky

Speaker 4 to do this with these guys. I love these guys.
And I get to do this. And

Speaker 4 what an unbelievable privilege, you know?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, it's the hottest podcast.

Speaker 4 That's true.

Speaker 4 I'm saying, you got

Speaker 4 doing.

Speaker 3 You're doing,

Speaker 3 you know, because it all comes through.

Speaker 3 What you're talking about is coming through, you know?

Speaker 3 Your affection for each other comes through.

Speaker 3 And how you rip each other apart comes through as well,

Speaker 3 which is

Speaker 4 again, how can

Speaker 4 you

Speaker 4 see that? I mean, it's just unbelievable. I mean, these guys are just complete fools.

Speaker 3 Also, great great fun.

Speaker 4 Eugene, thank you so much. Just continued,

Speaker 4 God, continued success, my friend, from one Canadian to another,

Speaker 4 keep her going, eh? Good on you.

Speaker 4 Thanks for so much amazing stuff. And

Speaker 4 yeah, just all the best, man. And congrats on the new show.
Yeah. Thank you.

Speaker 3 Thanks, Eugene. Thanks.
Yes.

Speaker 4 Hope it works.

Speaker 5 It's going to work. Great to meet you.
I'll see you tomorrow.

Speaker 3 Nice to meet you. See you tomorrow, Sean.
Yeah. Take care, guys.
Bye-bye.

Speaker 6 Bye, Eugene.

Speaker 3 Bye-bye.

Speaker 6 Huh. So, do you guys carpool to Martin's dinner tomorrow, Sean?

Speaker 4 Oh, or do you use meat there?

Speaker 5 We're just, we're probably, I'll probably, I'll probably swing by, pick them up.

Speaker 4 I was just thinking that if I was in town,

Speaker 6 you'd oh, you'd be there, you'd be there setting up, probably, right now.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, probably.

Speaker 5 Yeah, setting up.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 I'm gonna work there, you dick.

Speaker 4 I'm tearing down. How great would it be if I just if I just did catering at Marty's house?

Speaker 6 By the way, I haven't

Speaker 6 talked to you both since

Speaker 6 who killed Santa Murderville.

Speaker 4 Oh, right. I know.

Speaker 6 And I'm sorry to the listener. This is probably a couple months later, but I just want to say congrats, Willie.

Speaker 6 You guys, you and your whole team there put together a really great show.

Speaker 6 The feedback I'm getting from people just loved it.

Speaker 5 Yeah, everybody I know saw it, loved it.

Speaker 4 Fred was like over the top about it. Yeah.
Yeah. They weren't even drunk.

Speaker 6 They weren't high. They weren't.
These are sober, smart people.

Speaker 4 They didn't have guns held to their head. No.

Speaker 4 Unsolicited. well, I listen, I thanked both of you guys at the time and I'm so lucky, again, that

Speaker 4 I get to do it.

Speaker 4 Again, that's been kind of been on my mind the last couple of days. I'm like, you know, I posted something about it, not reluctantly, but you have to do it, you know, as part of, you know, your thing.

Speaker 4 Your fee. Your fee.
And that's what they pay you to do. And they send you stuff.
And they're like, post this. And you're like, yeah.
And I get to look, and I'm looking at the outtake stuff.

Speaker 4 And I'm looking at the three of us idiots that we get to do this thing. And it's like, it's not a job.
And I was thinking about it again, like with Eugene.

Speaker 4 And in fact, you know, it's not, I'm not putting it on the same level as

Speaker 4 Chris Cast by any means. So please, you know, hold back on your shit comments.
But, you know, we got to do this thing where we got to mess around.

Speaker 4 We had a loose idea of what the script was and kind of worked. And then we got to kind of fuck around and have fun in this video.

Speaker 6 Well, why don't you keep that going?

Speaker 6 Let's keep this troop going and do it for each sort of, like the next should be Who Killed the Easter Bunny?

Speaker 4 We have that in time for spring.

Speaker 6 And then we, you know.

Speaker 5 And I just play all the characters who get killed.

Speaker 6 Yeah, you get to be the bunny. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And you get killed.

Speaker 6 How would the Easter Bunny die? If Santa died from a sharp candy cane,

Speaker 5 the Easter Bunny would die from salmonella.

Speaker 6 Salmonella, yeah.

Speaker 4 Or

Speaker 6 lacerated by a rogue eggshell.

Speaker 4 Fucking

Speaker 4 fucking salmonella.

Speaker 5 Come on, it's got to be different.

Speaker 4 Somebody pointing out to me, and it is true.

Speaker 4 The bunny's got a basket full of eggs.

Speaker 7 Eggs.

Speaker 4 Right. Yeah.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 Happened with that. Yeah.
Oh, maybe that's how he died.

Speaker 4 That Eugene Levy is just so awesome.

Speaker 5 And I was just going to say, like, how do you, what are the odds of like the Godspell thing, all that troop of people, then that troop of people goes on in Second City, then that troop of people plays together in all those Chris Kess movies.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And it's just like this tight circle of friends that stay together and make stuff. That's like a dream come true.

Speaker 6 And there hasn't been, I mean, I'm sure that there have been plenty incredibly hilarious, talented

Speaker 6 comic actors coming out of Canada since then, but never in that same kind of flood that came out during that era, right?

Speaker 4 I wonder what that was. Very concentrated time of

Speaker 4 incredible talent.

Speaker 5 Well, I have to say this, and I'm not just saying this well, but you, Mike Myers, Jim Carrey, Eugene Levy, Catherine O'Hara, like all of these people that come from there. It's weird.

Speaker 4 It's like, what? All those people. And, like you said,

Speaker 4 in addition to the other people who left and went to SNL,

Speaker 4 like

Speaker 4 in that time, think about it. And by the way, including Lauren, who created SNL.
Right, right. So in that mid to late 70s, like right in like 75 and then 76, which incidentally was America's.

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