"Rob McElhenney"

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Speaker 1 Hey guys, I've been thinking about our intros and they just need to be snappier and stuff. So I'm going to leave the way and just kind of take my leave.
Hey there, I'm Wayne. Hey, Jason Babe.

Speaker 1 Hey, I'm Sean Hayes.

Speaker 1 Fucking one at a time. This is Smartless.
Smart

Speaker 1 Liz.

Speaker 1 Smart.

Speaker 1 Smart.

Speaker 1 Less.

Speaker 2 Well, did I just hear you turning the fellas on to a band called The Police? Boy, where would we be without you?

Speaker 1 No. No, you did not hear that.

Speaker 2 That's fine. No, you did not.

Speaker 1 Hey, by the way, classic Bateman, why don't you just take a position before you even know what the shot is? Know the shot. Okay, don't make me quote Glen Gary Glenn Ross here.
But you know what?

Speaker 1 A, know the shot.

Speaker 2 You just did, didn't he?

Speaker 1 I guess I just did. But also, like, always be closing, but also know the shot.

Speaker 2 What is the shot?

Speaker 1 I was,

Speaker 1 Jason Will, and I were chatting yesterday, the day before, about, you know, I was, I went outside to my garage. The garage is separated from my house, and there's a shingle from the roof.

Speaker 1 I was like, on the ground.

Speaker 1 Your garage has shingles, dude.

Speaker 1 I got to get the vaccine.

Speaker 1 And so I'm standing there, and here comes another shingle straight from my face. I was like, oh, God.
I was like, oh, crap. I got to get a new roof.
It's been like over 20 plus years.

Speaker 1 And then, so I call this contractor guy.

Speaker 1 For Tracy in Wisconsin, a roof is something that is on the top of a building.

Speaker 1 sorry well I mean if we're gonna do no no no no thank you thank you thank you and so then he comes over and there's like my you know whenever it rains it floods my driveway and then he's like we should fix the drainage under the driveway so I got to tear up the driveway and the roof and then I was like and then it turned into that thing where you're like oh god and I have to tear up

Speaker 1 everything and then I'm like is homeownership kind of a scam because it was a lot easier to live in an apartment Jason do we have to ask the question the obvious question is are you okay

Speaker 2 dude maybe you just have a really fat squirrel on the roof have you

Speaker 1 Have you looked? No.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it could, it could be a real pain in the ass chubby squirrel up there.

Speaker 1 But it feels like, do you feel like,

Speaker 1 do you feel like you're unraveling a little bit? Me? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Absolutely. Why don't you just go back to the trailer?

Speaker 1 You know, things were so much simpler when you had wheels under your house. Sean, if you tore down your house and you put a nice big trailer on the property, I would.

Speaker 1 Why not? Love that.

Speaker 1 Then Scotty could knock on the door and say, we're ready for you in five.

Speaker 2 Dax was living in a trailer while he and Kristen were doing the house, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, he bought that crazy huge trailer. You saw it, and he's got that awesome trailer, and then he had it

Speaker 1 parked in front of the house in his nice house.

Speaker 2 And then, like, yeah, and it's a real, it's a real nice house.

Speaker 2 Mr. Keep It Real Detroit

Speaker 2 living in a palace now.

Speaker 1 Thank you for calling him out on that. Okay, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Old lifestyles of the rich and nailing it.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 That would be a a great show. It sells itself.

Speaker 2 He would be a great new host if they were going to redo

Speaker 2 that series. Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.
What was his name? Robin

Speaker 2 Leach. Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is Robin Leach.

Speaker 2 I'd love to see Dax hosting that show.

Speaker 1 It'd be like a cross between cribs and punks. Lifestyle.
Because you know Dax, he'd go through the house of the people and be like, you've got a greenhouse here. How much did you pay for that?

Speaker 1 That looks really good. And the person would be on the spot.
They'd be like, I don't know. And he goes, there's got to be, I mean, those things go minimum million dollars.
Minimum.

Speaker 1 Right? That's pretty good. The guys, ladies and gentlemen, Dak Shepard just stepped in for a second.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 Oh, thanks, Sean. So I get this wonderful email from this fellow who you're about to say hello to.
And in the email, wait, are you getting to the guest? Is this you getting to the guest?

Speaker 1 Yeah, do you want to? What else do you want to bring up? That's pretty smooth. No, it was pretty smooth.
Okay.

Speaker 2 The four-minute wait for the guest is

Speaker 1 pretty up.

Speaker 1 So, no, so you're going to say hi to this guy in just a second. And I got an email.

Speaker 1 i love that we keep making references to the dresser stop that train dude give me one will stop shall we make a start i've never seen it i don't know i have to tom courtney is

Speaker 1 perfection that's tom courtney starting to dress albert what's it called the dresser it's a classic all right Have you guys seen whatever happened to Baby Jane? All right, listen.

Speaker 1 In an email, this guy.

Speaker 2 Oh, and there's a great new band called The Police. Sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 1 And in this email, this guy says to me, and he's so nice, and he says, I know we don't know each other except for some run in at a doctor's office, which I'll have to ask him about.

Speaker 1 Whoa, wait, I want to go to that.

Speaker 1 But he says he's really good friends with you guys, and he would love to come on and surprise you.

Speaker 1 So to set up, oh my God, of course, it'll be a great excuse for the guys to say hi to you and for me to get to know you.

Speaker 2 Dak Shepard doing a repeat performance. And no, no.

Speaker 1 So, like always, as soon as I describe who this person is, you're going to guess who it is because

Speaker 1 you play golf with him. But now, just humor me and let me get out some of his credits before you start boring me to tears with which iron you charge.
Charlie Day.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was going to say, is it Charlie Day? Rob McLhaney. This guy played Mac for 14 seasons on It's Always Stunning Philadelphia.
Rob McLhaney. He's in a new show.
Rob McLhaney.

Speaker 1 Just take the

Speaker 1 thing.

Speaker 1 No way, Rob McElhaney. Hi, guys.
Hi, Rob. Rob, look at yours.
Hi, Rob.

Speaker 1 He has glowing skin all the time, doesn't he? Yeah. I mean, you're pale as all hell.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 I'm exceptionally Irish, and so my skin is always gonna be alabaster. Same.
Yeah, and this is fine. If I shave, it tends to get a little shiny.

Speaker 2 I've got a lot of questions for you.

Speaker 2 Can we start with the listener? Do you know that Rob is the proud owner of a soccer team?

Speaker 1 Okay, I know. Talk to me about that.

Speaker 1 I can't believe we haven't talked about this, Rob, at all yet. I keep meaning to ask you, and I feel like you know that I'm a big football fan, then you've avoided talking to me about it.

Speaker 1 Is that true?

Speaker 2 Planet, cool.

Speaker 3 Okay,

Speaker 3 do you mind if I derail your own podcast for the first five to ten minutes? Please do.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 I reached out to Sean because I realized that, yes, we played golf together.

Speaker 3 I don't know Sean very well,

Speaker 3 but I've played a number of rounds of golf with you gentlemen, and I've met you numbers of times over the years. Good player, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm sorry, that's where you insert, but I'm a fan. But go ahead.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 a super fan. Of course.
Well, we'll get to that later.

Speaker 1 We'll get to the flattering later.

Speaker 3 But what I realized is over the course of our relationships

Speaker 3 that while you're a very

Speaker 3 cordial and sweet man and wonderful friends, I'm fairly convinced, and Charlie and I have discussed this, that you have never seen anything, not one scene, not one frame of anything that I've ever done.

Speaker 3 And I find that to be quite amusing because I've never pointedly asked.

Speaker 1 You're speaking to Jason, obviously.

Speaker 3 I'm speaking to both of you. I'm speaking to both of you.

Speaker 1 First of all, I have watched Mythic Quest, so F you, bro. Really? I know that your character's name is

Speaker 1 Ian

Speaker 1 Grimm. What's the name of your character? I'm not even Googling.

Speaker 1 And I know that you guys, you run a video game company, and then you're coming up to this new video game. So please.

Speaker 2 And it's on Apple Plus.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 So, yeah.

Speaker 2 I've seen it.

Speaker 1 You were impressed by that, Rob, right?

Speaker 3 I actually really was. The only thing I can surmise from that is...

Speaker 3 And still to your credit, I believe that this was all, you've seen this in the last, the show has been out for two years, but I think you watched in the last two weeks because you realized that we were going to be playing more golf together and you had to make sure that you were at least,

Speaker 3 which I appreciate. Bateman didn't even do that.

Speaker 1 You know what? It wasn't even that. Like, that sounds like something.

Speaker 1 That move is called a Bateman in Showbiz.

Speaker 1 But what I did was because since we've gotten to know each other and we had a little bit of contact before, Rob wrote a pilot that I thought was hilarious many, many years ago that was kind of came my way at a certain point.

Speaker 1 There was a discussion about maybe, and I really wanted to do it. And I forget what happened, and maybe they didn't ultimately didn't want me or something like that.
But it was- Well, you passed.

Speaker 3 You passed.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it was a soft pass. But here's the deal: I always thought it was really funny, and it was all, and I thought it was when I read that script, that's when I became a fan of yours.

Speaker 1 A, I can't wait for that. B, once we started to get to know each other more recently, then I did watch it, not because I wanted to be able to, but I also, I was like, I want to see what your deal is.

Speaker 1 How about that?

Speaker 3 Well, look, I appreciate it, Jason.

Speaker 2 Yeah, sorry, Jason. But then ultimately, you did not stick with the show clearly me on the other hand if i were to start i know i would go down a k-hole of just like here goes the google

Speaker 2 yeah i gotta eat up everything he's and then i'd then i'd get stuck in the in the philly in the sunny in philly and that would take me 15 years almost literally to watch all those episodes i wouldn't be able to stop i know what i'm dealing with with you so what i do is i keep myself in a safe little bubble of dodgers and msnbc and i don't you know what you do.

Speaker 2 I don't come out except for golf and to say hello to my lovely wife and children. That's it.

Speaker 1 Rob, do you know something? So your show's on Apple, right? Mythic Quest is sexy. Yeah, that's correct.
Just started.

Speaker 2 Just starting. His name's Ian Grimm.

Speaker 1 Wrong. It's Ion.

Speaker 1 It's Ian, you dick. And secondly.

Speaker 3 Which shows that you just Googled it

Speaker 3 and got it wrong because the pronunciation is Ian, and that's part of the gag of the show.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, that's the whole gag of the show, you did. You know what? Here's the other part.
You know what?

Speaker 1 He makes himself look even worse is that his own wife is a producer on a show that's on Apple, and he hasn't watched that.

Speaker 2 I watched the first five episodes, and I continue to get a lot of heat for not finishing that up.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of content out there.

Speaker 3 Another guy that we play golf with is an ex-baseball player named Chase Utley. And I can promise you that when we play, Jason remembers every at-bat.
that this man over a 20-year period.

Speaker 3 I think he can point to an at-bat that Chase had in 2009. He's a very memorable fellow.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hey, Rob,

Speaker 1 you mentioned in the email that we ran into each other at a doctor's office once. How long ago was that? And what was

Speaker 3 well, the reason I know that you,

Speaker 3 it was not memorable for you, because this was very early on in

Speaker 3 Sonny's run. There was no chance he would have ever known who I was, but I just introduced myself and said I was a big fan of yours.

Speaker 1 You knew that he didn't know who you were because he tossed you his keys and said, can you give it a wash before I come back?

Speaker 3 No, I recognize, I even said in the waiting room, I said, I recognize that this is wholly inappropriate.

Speaker 3 This is full disclosure. I don't think you'll mind

Speaker 3 having me bring this up because I know you're very open with your medical history and whatnot. But we were in a.

Speaker 1 I love it. I love talking about medical history.
Here we go.

Speaker 3 I know you do. I saw you on Jimmy Kimmel.
I'm a fan of yours. So, and I know about your other podcast that you're talking about.

Speaker 2 Thank you. Was it a dermatologist?

Speaker 3 It was, no, it was an allergist.

Speaker 1 Oh, yes, Dr. Aitches.

Speaker 3 Dr. Aitches.
Oddly enough, his name is Dr. Aitches.

Speaker 3 He's the best allergist in the city of Los Angeles. And when I first moved to LA, I had terrible allergies.

Speaker 3 And I am now cured.

Speaker 2 What were your symptoms?

Speaker 3 Seasonal. So it would just be, it would be stuffy.

Speaker 1 But you're cured.

Speaker 1 Are you okay? Are you okay now with the stuffy nose? I'm concerned.

Speaker 2 Hey, we're not doing hypochondriac right now.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 3 I will say that I'm cured. I have been cured.
I don't know if you continue to go to Dr. Aitches, but I do not have to go anymore.

Speaker 2 Now, is this the kind of doctor where you lay on your back and he puts like a bottle of some sort of like herb or something on your chest? And he says, Raise your arm. I'm going to push down your arm.

Speaker 2 And if your arm gives a lot of resistance, that means you have a bad reaction to this type of herb.

Speaker 1 Have you guys ever been to one of those? No, what's that? No, man. Oh, nobody has.
No, that guy was not a doctor.

Speaker 1 And was that in a van somewhere in the valley?

Speaker 3 That was definitely somewhere in Santa Monica. I can almost promise you that.

Speaker 1 Wait, Rob, so you were, this is what I read a little bit about you, having known you were coming on. And so you grew up Catholic.
I grew up Catholic, which means one of us has to be gay. That's me.

Speaker 1 And your mom is now gay, lesbian. She's out.
I want to talk about that because I think that's fascinating being a child growing up. Like, did you what was the, how old were you when she came out?

Speaker 1 Did you suspect when you were younger that, you know, mom could lift heavier things than dad, maybe? And you, now you can both play golf.

Speaker 3 Yeah, she does play golf, which is amazing. Both her, both, both of my mothers.
So they've been to my mother left my father for

Speaker 3 her current partner, who's been my other mother, for the last 35 years. I think they met

Speaker 3 37 years ago.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Wow, wow.

Speaker 3 So they're still wonderfully happy. And in fact, even stranger,

Speaker 3 my father and his current wife are very great friends with them, and they are on vacation together right now.

Speaker 1 I love it.

Speaker 3 Yes, right now. They are in North Carolina together, Ronnelley.

Speaker 2 And see,

Speaker 2 I'm just writing a pilot episode of a sitcom as I'm listening.

Speaker 1 I'm just thinking, gosh, boy, this is no problem. My two moms.
Remember my two daddy? Oh,

Speaker 1 walk us through the cold open. Yeah.

Speaker 2 No, so here we go.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 2 it's just a slow fade in, you know.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Uh-oh.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 I did not know that, Rob.

Speaker 3 Yes. Well, you don't ask any questions about me.

Speaker 2 No, I don't, except

Speaker 2 did you hit an eight iron?

Speaker 1 I remember one time he said to you, he said,

Speaker 1 he said, is this downwind from here? Is this usually in is there trouble on the left? He once said to you. I remember that.
No, but I really do.

Speaker 1 I really do want to know, like, what age did she come out to you? And what was that like for you? Is it like, oh, and then what was your experience like with your peers at school, or did they know?

Speaker 1 And all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, the interesting thing is that they never actually officially came out to us.

Speaker 3 It was a much different time. This was

Speaker 3 South Philadelphia in the early to mid-1980s, and they had three kids in a very staunch Irish Catholic neighborhood.

Speaker 3 So it was a really difficult time for them. But for us, I mean, look, any divorce

Speaker 3 is going to be difficult on the kids, but I think it was a testament to both my father, who was in his late 20s at the time, which is incredible, and both of my mothers, who handled it with such dignity and grace.

Speaker 3 And we never really felt any acrimony or animosity between them. It was all like in support of us.

Speaker 3 However, we did recognize that mom had a roommate, which isn't weird at first because she's in her late 20s, early 30s, which of course at the time when you're a kid, they seem like they're 50. Right.

Speaker 1 So I have some family members that still call Scotty my roommate. Yes.
Is that true?

Speaker 3 And so mom, yeah, so mom and Mary, who's my other mother.

Speaker 1 My mom's name is Mary. Oh, there we go.
Yeah. Anyway, this is going great.

Speaker 3 Roommates for years, years and years and years, and nobody was really sitting us down and having a conversation with us.

Speaker 3 But as time went on, it was becoming quite evident evident when we would ask, you know, at 12, 13 years old, we recognize that you're roommates, but why do you sleep in the same bed?

Speaker 1 Well, for warmth. Feel warmth.

Speaker 3 Yeah, for warmth. It's cold.
To save energy.

Speaker 2 It's not always sunny.

Speaker 1 South Philly is cold.

Speaker 1 Sean, you know, Sean, you said, you brought up the fact that,

Speaker 1 you know, that you're Catholic and maybe that's why you're gay.

Speaker 1 And I know you were being glib, but we've never really talked about this before because, you know, Rob, you were just saying it was a tough time. I can't imagine how difficult that would be.

Speaker 1 And hats off to you and your whole family kind of rallying around and understanding how important that was to kind of, how difficult that must be in that time.

Speaker 1 And so, Sean, we've never really talked about this.

Speaker 1 How difficult was that growing up in your Irish Catholic existence outside of Chicago in the similar, I imagine quite similar circumstances as and knowing, probably knew you were gay from oh, yeah, five years old.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And yeah, no, thanks for asking.
It's

Speaker 1 yeah, it was, it was, it was weird. You know, you go to church, you go to you're raised Irish Catholic.
It's like you just blindly go because that's where your mom and dad and family bring you.

Speaker 1 And you learn all about, you go to CCD. I don't know if you had to go to CCD classes, Bible classes, and do all of that.

Speaker 1 And then you get older and you realize, oh, I can't talk about this because I'm told I'm bad. You can't talk about it at church, certainly.
And Rob,

Speaker 1 were you guys religious, Rob? Did you have a difficult time with the church or your mom and your dad and all that stuff?

Speaker 3 Yes, it was just something that wasn't discussed.

Speaker 3 but my father uh we we had a very close relationship with the church because my father was almost a priest in fact he was in his last year of seminary school when he met my mother so there's a whole lot of real interesting stories wrapped up in religion and sexuality and all this stuff but there's so much so much guilt from what i understand from all my friends and people and you know who are who are certainly Catholic, they always talk about that Catholic guilt.

Speaker 1 There must be for both of you guys very complicated feelings because you're raised in the church and and then you're doing something that they don't approve of right for both of you do you guys have did you feel that really in a real way and do you still feel that today you know i have i have i don't know about you rob but i i have um anger because of the hypocrisy right because you have by the way this doesn't have to turn into religion but uh but i had you know growing up it's all you hear from ads on TV on billboards and society and families and churches and everything that gay is bad, gay is bad.

Speaker 1 And then you, of course, now we're in a a much different place. We still have a long way to go, but that we're just as human as anybody else.

Speaker 1 But I got angry at the Catholic Church because of the hypocrisy of thousands and thousands of children who were molested by Catholic priests.

Speaker 1 And we just kind of, well, we're not going to talk about that.

Speaker 1 We're going to try to bury that as much as possible.

Speaker 1 So here's all this evidence of pedophilia running amok in the Catholic Church, and they're passing judgment on me for who I love and telling me like how I should live my life. I don't know about that.

Speaker 1 So, like they say on Shark Tank, for those reasons, I'm out.

Speaker 2 Well, let me ask the dumb-dumb question because I am the dumb-dumb in many areas, definitely in religion. I know

Speaker 1 we got the quote. You got the quote, the clip.

Speaker 2 I know zero about religion.

Speaker 2 And so, on this issue, is there something, and this is probably a very quick and easy answer, I apologize, but is there something in the Bible that specifically says you must not be with somebody of the same sex?

Speaker 2 Or is it sort of like this is sort of an agreed-upon interpretation of some of the vagaries and it pushes it towards heterosexuality? Yes.

Speaker 3 And just like anything else in the Bible,

Speaker 3 it's a buffet where people can choose a la carte which sections they want to believe and which they don't to further reinforce their own prejudices, right?

Speaker 3 So and we see that all day long with so many various different things where people will just.

Speaker 2 People are doing that with the Constitution.

Speaker 3 Of course. Of course.

Speaker 1 You You just choose to interpret it the way that fits whatever sort of narrative you're looking for, right?

Speaker 1 And really quick,

Speaker 1 I made a glib joke about your mom, and it's just from one gay to another gay joke about playing golf and all that. So hopefully she's okay with it.

Speaker 3 My mother could give two flying fucks when anybody's okay about her, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 But that's having grown up in South Philly.

Speaker 1 Well, I wanted you to apologize to me for making fun of me for playing golf, too, just in general.

Speaker 3 But no, to show you, to demonstrate how difficult this is for people, and again, that's why I have endless compassion and empathy, certainly for my mother, who was navigating this in the mid-1980s.

Speaker 3 But we grew up essentially in the gay community, at least half, 50% of the time we were in the gay community. And yet I have two gay brothers,

Speaker 3 one of whom did not come out to me till he was in his 20s. Wow.
Which is just fascinating because he still felt

Speaker 2 from a cultural and societal perspective that he would not, he just didn't feel comfortable even telling his own brother right there's did he tell your mom earlier no no wow growing up in a culture in the family where it was not only in existence but it was it was embraced and it was and it was uh well i don't know if comfortable but uh that that's uh wow uh did he explain why he still felt so kind of uncomfortable until 20 something to come out he did and i mean look to bring it back full circle and not to, I know that this show is not, it's sort of anathema to be

Speaker 3 sincere.

Speaker 1 Yes, to be sincere. That's Will's fault.
Yeah, you got to be careful about being sincere because you'll get hurt really. Right.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 I'm going to point, I'm going to shine the light in Sean's direction. So what I said to Sean

Speaker 3 in the doctor's office at Dr. Aiches was that

Speaker 3 I believe that Will and Grace, not single-handedly,

Speaker 3 but was a massive, massive part of a cultural revolution that obviously started in the 60s and 70s and with Stonewall,

Speaker 3 which was the beginning of it. But I think like really changing hearts and minds, which I know you've discussed ad nauseum, Sean, but I just want to bring it back to that for a second.

Speaker 3 That show was seminal, seminal for so many people. And as

Speaker 3 a straight white dude who spent his entire life around other straight white dudes, to see how impactful that show was

Speaker 3 was

Speaker 3 really changed people's lives. I mean, it really did.
And I think that there's not a,

Speaker 3 it's not a coincidence that people like my brother and then my second brother,

Speaker 3 who's significantly younger than me, 14 years younger than me, was never in the closet. So my youngest brother, who's four years younger than me, didn't come out to me until he was in his 20s.

Speaker 3 And then my youngest brother was just always out.

Speaker 3 And I think that shows that there was just a dramatic shift in the late 90s, early 2000s, and it continues today. And

Speaker 3 in how accepted

Speaker 3 that this is a part of our culture, that are our fellow humans.

Speaker 1 Very, very kind of you to say. Sean, how good does that fucking feel to hear that from Rob? Unbelievable.
Unbelievable. No, it's very, very sweet.
We always say that's the power of comedy.

Speaker 1 You can achieve so many things with the power of comedy and educate people without them knowing it, you know, because you bring them along and you bring them in.

Speaker 1 But, you know, I remember the show Donahue back in the 70s and 80s, right? Where he's like, today we have a congressperson this, and we have a gay person on.

Speaker 1 And that was, that was the subject that there just was a gay person on the CV. What's it like being? And now this guy.
Yeah. What a surprise that we're all normal.
We're all just like you.

Speaker 1 It's like news flash. We're all human and we're all part of the human race.
No, but it's funny. I was just thinking that like.

Speaker 1 How important, first of all, how amazing that must feel knowing that you've helped in whatever way, you know, and it's never enough, enough as you know it'll never be enough there'll be critics who will always

Speaker 1 yeah but you did this or you did that like fuck it who you know you can't please everybody all the time but the fact that you're able to that rob's able to say that and really mean that must feel amazing the fact that i i realized in asking you about your your upbringing in that way that you and i have been friends for almost 20 years and we've never really talked about that aspect of it but isn't that such a win i guess so that we've never talked about it that it's normal yeah i guess right and other people would say well you're insensitive for not having asked but i never knew do you ever feel that way no never ever that's why we're friends

Speaker 1 yeah yeah exactly but that's because you guys are evolved and educated and normal and all of those things and and the other thing to bring it back really full circle is rob i don't know if you sean told you you know why he was at the allergist he's uh because he was allergic to laughs yeah did you know that yeah No, just to wrap that up, Rob, thank you for saying that.

Speaker 1 It's very nice.

Speaker 1 The show is just bigger than all of us. And I was just happy to get a job.
And then it became this byproduct that we did all of this for to educate America without them knowing, is what I was saying.

Speaker 1 And now you live in America. I'm very grateful.
Totally disconnected.

Speaker 1 I'm very grateful for you saying that. It really does mean a lot.
And you saying that actually helps even more people. And we got a long way to go.
And I'm so glad you are educated.

Speaker 1 I want to say I'm very, I loved seeing this exchange, just to wrap my own wrap up. I love it so much.
I love Sean so much. I love you guys too.

Speaker 1 And it's just, that was awesome. Thank you, Will.
Yeah. This just made my day.
Okay. And you know what? For, I always say this, sorry.

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Speaker 2 Listener, Will has decided to use our time for his lunchtime, and so he keeps moving the mic away so he can get a little bit of a break.

Speaker 1 Fucking Bateman, he spends most of his time eating, and he'll go like this. He'll ask questions of people.
Where's his mouth?

Speaker 1 Do you find it hard? I'm like, no, I don't.

Speaker 1 You do all the time.

Speaker 1 Shut up.

Speaker 3 What I find so fascinating about Jason is that you never really know whether he's actually getting hot or not.

Speaker 3 So he's joking and you're laughing and you're laughing and you're laughing. And then you look over and he's looking at you and you realize, oh, there's been a transition.

Speaker 3 And I didn't notice the transition.

Speaker 3 Now he's actually angry. And there's no difference between Jason being funny and Jason being angry.

Speaker 3 And both of them are terrifying because you could be destroyed, you could be eviscerated from the knave to the chops.

Speaker 2 Sean, I don't know if you've ever really seen me angry. Have you? Will, I think you've seen me angry.
Is it, there's nothing, I don't, you can tell if I'm really pissed, can't you?

Speaker 1 No, I think Rob's onto something here. I think that's a really good point.
I think that Rob first noticed it on the golf course that you had a blow-up hole and Jason went kind of crazy for a second.

Speaker 2 No, crazy means quiet, I think.

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 1 A little nasty.

Speaker 2 Now that I'm getting older and the elasticity is leaving

Speaker 2 my face. So now my brows just hanging over my eyeballs a little bit, and I look constantly peeved.

Speaker 1 Do you wish you had, because look at Rob. Rob looks so great.
We open with that. Jesus.

Speaker 1 He was just on the cover of Men's Health magazine, which they must have lost my number because I did change numbers.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Anyway, the point is they went with Rob.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 This month, yeah.

Speaker 1 He looks incredible. And I know you get a lot of shit from your friends for it, but.
I heard the story about you yo-yoing, your weight yo-yoing for the shoot or something.

Speaker 3 Look, you do a show for 14 years

Speaker 3 coming up on 15. You got to try and find new ways to get Jason to watch.

Speaker 2 I'm waiting for you guys to get a few episodes so I can really binge it.

Speaker 3 I'm going to send you a couple of things.

Speaker 2 Don't, because then I'll be nervous around you. I like that we have a comfortable relationship.

Speaker 1 Think about how rude it is, because both you and Charlie are on Sonny, and he's friends with Charlie too, and he's done a couple movies with Charlie. Yeah, and he

Speaker 1 still hasn't watched.

Speaker 1 Listen,

Speaker 2 the few times I've been given the chance to direct, I've hired people that I've never seen act before, but I just get a sense that they're yeah, but I just it doesn't matter to me.

Speaker 1 Like, if you know, you're uh you're right for the part, you're right for the part, right? You're a real loose kid, and you can't understand what you're saying. Put the food down,

Speaker 1 God,

Speaker 1 it's all you always have food in your hands.

Speaker 1 Okay, so wait, listen, ruff.

Speaker 1 I almost barf. You almost made me barf.
I want to get to this. It's always sending for the left because it's a great story.
You shot a pilot with Charlie Day and Glenn Howerton for $200. Is that true?

Speaker 1 And was it on your iPhone? And the reason I think this is fascinating is because

Speaker 1 my sister with Tracy in Wisconsin, she gets approached a lot by some friends who have kids who always kind of want to ask advice about how to break into show business, right?

Speaker 1 So in turn, I get asked to answer that question on her behalf.

Speaker 1 And i always give the same advice as to what you accomplished which is pick up a camera or your phone and just start fucking making stuff and shooting stuff and make sure it's great well that's a good question but hang on before before rob answers that your sister tracy gets asked by people in the street how to break into show business and yet we have to stop the show all the time to explain to her show business term why the fuck are they asking her

Speaker 1 no she has friends with kids who are like hey can you ask your brother how what their advice for them and you're the perfect example what that is rob which is like you took 200 bucks and you shot a pilot.

Speaker 1 Is that true?

Speaker 3 It is, but you asked if we shot it on iPhones, and the show is so old that it is well before

Speaker 3 iPhones. Okay, smartphones didn't even exist.
So, this would have been 2004.

Speaker 3 And I just went to Best Buy

Speaker 3 and I was working in a restaurant at the time, and I took out a credit card and I just bought a camera. And then we just learned how to edit on our MacBooks.
And thankfully, those did,

Speaker 2 but if, listener, listener

Speaker 2 the

Speaker 2 don't manage your expectations you guys are going into your 15th year on something you shot on a on a on a slow wednesday you went into a best buy and said i'm gonna buy a home video camera and take my shot at the at the at the business tree and you guys i don't even want to start you just bought a soccer team yeah so you know i i just god bless everybody with dreams and please pursue them but hold on to that restaurant job Rob had when he shot it because that gives you that, what is it, Will?

Speaker 2 Sexy indifference.

Speaker 1 Sexy indifference.

Speaker 2 Because he got a day job, you know?

Speaker 1 I don't believe that you, I don't believe that you, you wish everybody well with their dreams either.

Speaker 2 I wish them well, but I am the first one to say, you know, there's something to be said for those that don't need it or those that don't, you know, people say, well, you know, the people that succeed are the people that they can't live without it.

Speaker 2 The passion is,

Speaker 2 I disagree. I think you have to have a little bit of indifference there.
It's just like it's like high school, right? Going after the guy or the girl.

Speaker 2 If you're kind of, you know, not playing hard to get like manipulating, but if you kind of take it or leave it, it's very attractive. So make sure there's something in your life that keeps it.

Speaker 1 Sounds like kind of great advice and also kind of terrible advice. Rob, so you make the pilot.
You make the pilot for 200 bucks. You go into Best Buy, you buy this thing, and you shoot the pilot.

Speaker 1 Then what? Like how millions of people have shot shit.

Speaker 3 We realized it wasn't good enough, so we shot it again.

Speaker 3 Then we realized it wasn't good enough, so we shot it again, and we would just keep shooting it whenever people were available in our various apartments. We had different iterations of at one point,

Speaker 3 I had a different person playing the character that I wound up playing, who then moved on to being a different character in the show.

Speaker 3 And he didn't, he wasn't able to reshoot it for the third time because his girlfriend was in town. It was like, was just, we were never thinking we were making a TV show.

Speaker 3 We were just trying to make something fun and something good.

Speaker 3 And we just kept iterating because it wasn't good enough and then finally we thought it was good enough and then we thought well this could be a tv show

Speaker 3 but i thought if we're gonna actually try and sell it we should make a second one um so that we can prove that you know a waiter can be a showrunner um i think i was 25 or 26 at the time and so we wanted to make a second one to to basically have this like package that we could then take around town and that's what we did and then did you did you walk it in or did you send it in or how did that work no i didn't trust people enough to send it in i didn't think anybody would would go to would actually watch it so we went in, and I'll tell you, this is how long ago it was.

Speaker 3 Even though DVDs did exist, of course, at the time, they were, when you burned them off of Macs,

Speaker 3 you couldn't count on them. They were unreliable.
So we had to transfer it onto a VHS tape. So I had a VHS tape, which we would take around.
Over two days, I took it to, I don't know, seven networks.

Speaker 3 And then we had offers from all of them, except one.

Speaker 3 Fox. Right.
Fox. Fox just didn't get it.

Speaker 1 Big Fox.

Speaker 3 Big Fox. Just big Fox just didn't get it at all at the time.
They're all those people who have long gone.

Speaker 1 Well, you can name them here if you want to shame them.

Speaker 3 I definitely remember who they are. Sure.
And that's just the part of the chip on my shoulder.

Speaker 1 Say it was, and we'll cut it, I promise. We promise.

Speaker 1 I bet you still got the tape, right?

Speaker 2 You must have hoped.

Speaker 1 You do. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 You still have the tape.

Speaker 2 Now, you know, they will degenerate really quickly, those VHS tapes. You have it like in a little bit.

Speaker 1 We've already transferred it.

Speaker 3 We've already transferred it digitally, yes. And now people are approaching us about NFTs, and now I understand what an NFT is.
I'm sure people of your generation do not.

Speaker 1 Explain it to Will.

Speaker 1 I'm too young. No, Jason wants you to explain it to me because he doesn't know what it is.

Speaker 2 I'm going to be listening, but I want you to address Will.

Speaker 1 By the way, NFTs

Speaker 1 are a carbon disaster. They're completely going to ruin this planet.
So

Speaker 1 I won't buy NFTs.

Speaker 3 Well, as I've had it explained to me over the course of the last few weeks, that is... Well, look, there's always going to be people

Speaker 3 who claim that they are not destroying the environment for the sake of commerce, and maybe they quite possibly are.

Speaker 1 However, Rob, please explain what an NFT is.

Speaker 3 Oh, it's going to be so boring, and it's going to be impossible to.

Speaker 2 Well, make it exciting.

Speaker 1 A non-fungible token. Everybody knows what it is.

Speaker 3 Okay, it's called a non-fungible token. And again,

Speaker 3 I'm going to explain it as best it was explained to me in the simplest terms.

Speaker 1 You know what? Explain it like you're explaining it to Bateman. That's what I always do.
Just do it like that.

Speaker 2 So, listener, what Will just said is explain it like you're explaining it to Bateman. man that's right

Speaker 3 okay so an nft it's like a moving image you can buy it's a non-fungible yes it's a it's a it's essentially a piece of digital art we'll call it a piece of digital art and it exists in something called the blockchain the blockchain so it's in the ether right so so the blockchain is what certifies this piece this piece of art as being an original so for example you could

Speaker 3 literally uh patrick mahomes did this um he designed a football helmet, a 3D football helmet in a digital space. And he is the artist of that digital art.

Speaker 3 And then he sold that to somebody for a massive amount of money. We could look it up and do a fact check on it, but I think it was a couple million bucks.

Speaker 3 So the first question that comes up is, well, why is that worth anything? Because you could just make a digital copy. I'm sending gifts back and forth all day long.
It's the same theory that,

Speaker 3 say, a Picasso hanging on your wall is actually not worth technically anything if you break it down to its most basic parts, which is just paint and canvas. It's the value that we put on it.

Speaker 3 And the reason it's valuable is because it's one of a kind. You can make a print of a Picasso and that can be a poster somewhere, but nobody, that costs $4, whereas the Picasso costs $40 million.

Speaker 1 Rob, I would love to see you, well, just for their faces, just to see how broken these two faces would be, you explaining blockchain.

Speaker 1 Because you'd lose them sentence one.

Speaker 2 And then I want to get into Bitcoin and the one. What's the other one?

Speaker 1 George Coin.

Speaker 3 Just believe me, I'm definitely not the person that should be explaining this. You should be bringing on somebody way smarter.
Oh, that's there. I just like money.

Speaker 3 I like money, and I like making money. So when people come to me and say, we have a way for you to make money, I say, tell me more.
And then they explained it to me in Caveman.

Speaker 1 That seems like good business acumen.

Speaker 1 Wait, so you bought the football team. Because we have brought it up a couple of times.
Let's talk about the football team that you bought in Wales. Yes.
With Brian Reynolds.

Speaker 1 You and Brian Reynolds bought it.

Speaker 3 I'm so happy that you called him Brian.

Speaker 1 Every chance, I don't know him that well, but every time I see him, I always call him Brian.

Speaker 1 There's old Brian Reynolds. I don't think he does love it, or he does.

Speaker 2 I doubt he does. No, sorry, take another bite.

Speaker 1 We'll keep talking. Go ahead.
Fuck.

Speaker 3 I bought a football team in Wales with Ryan. And

Speaker 3 so Ryan and I bought a football team in Wales, and we're making a documentary about the process.

Speaker 1 Nice.

Speaker 3 It's going to be on FX on Hulu. and then I believe internationally it's going to be on Disney Plus.
It's going to come out sometime in 2022, and it's going to be on for at least two seasons.

Speaker 3 Here we go.

Speaker 1 Yes, I'll narrate it. Wow, that's great.
There we go. That's really great.

Speaker 2 Cool. So, but what is the name of the team?

Speaker 3 The name of the team is the Wrexham Red Dragons.

Speaker 3 They are in Wrexham, which is in North Wales, but they play in the English football system. And the thing about the English football system, which I don't know if you guys know anything about...

Speaker 3 soccer and or football. I certainly did not.
Fair abyss.

Speaker 1 I knew a fair bit. I was watching this morning.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so at the start of lockdown, I really truly didn't know much about it, but the idea of being relegated and promoted was something that was new to me.

Speaker 3 So if you play in one of the leagues, everybody's heard of the Premier League, I think.

Speaker 3 That's where all the Liverpool and Arsenal and Chelsea, all the biggest teams in the world play.

Speaker 3 And for some understanding of scale for Americans, it's obviously the biggest sport in the world.

Speaker 3 And some of these teams are worth billions and billions and billions of dollars. Some of these players get paid $50, $60 million a year.
So they sort of dwarf a lot of American sports.

Speaker 3 But the idea of being promoted and then relegated is when you start in, say, you're in the Premier League, which is the top league.

Speaker 3 If you come in last that season, you get kicked out of the league and you get kicked down a little bit.

Speaker 1 Bottom three teams get relegated to the level below them.

Speaker 3 And now, what that can actually start is a free fall. So you can have a team that's worth a couple of billion dollars that free falls down into the league below them.

Speaker 3 And then if they lose that, they get kicked out of the league below that and you can find your Sunderland yes exactly Sunderland is a club that is a that is a historic club and and used to be in the Premier League and now they're down into league one and not doing so well which is three leagues below the Premier League anyway the point is that you if you can get relegated you can also get promoted meaning you could take a really low-level team so we found a team in the fifth tier and and they are not

Speaker 3 It's actually the third oldest club in the world, and they play in the oldest international football stadium in the world, but they've fallen on hard times in the last

Speaker 3 really last 20 years and they've been sort of out of the league. But our goal is to get them back up into the league and get them promoted.

Speaker 3 And you go up a division, hopefully every few years, until you can reach the pinnacle again.

Speaker 2 And what is it? Obviously, if they're winning tons of games, that happens. But what's the clear thing that you can do to help them win games?

Speaker 2 Is it as clean as just spending a bunch of money to buy great players?

Speaker 3 Yeah, so that's a huge part of it. Obviously, it's just like infusing it with capital right off the bat.

Speaker 3 But one of the things, the core principles that we've put out there that's really important to us is that you notice, just like anything else, that if the community,

Speaker 3 the fan base, the support is behind the club, it fuels the club in so many different ways. So it's not just about us writing a check, but it's also about getting

Speaker 3 the town, getting the region of North Wales, and then growing the exposure of a global, hopefully a global audience of global supporters, which then can start creating a self-sufficient club.

Speaker 3 And so we're not just writing checks.

Speaker 1 Have you spent time in Wales, Rob? Yet? I've never been there. Not yet.
I have. Listen, I'm beloved in Wales.

Speaker 2 Oh, he's pitching himself as a mascot. Hold on, guys.

Speaker 1 Go ahead. I'm just saying that for a fee or it's all accept Bitcoin or food, maybe.

Speaker 2 You can just pay him in food, I'll bet.

Speaker 1 Feed him in salads.

Speaker 2 Yeah, careful. You just spit on your mic.

Speaker 1 Clear your salads and burgers.

Speaker 1 Wales is a tremendous country. And I know that you guys are in the northeast of Wales, right? Like not too far from Liverpool.
Don't you have a writer on your staff? I know a guy I follow, Humphrey.

Speaker 1 Is that his name? Yes. And he's a big Liverpool supporter as well, isn't he?

Speaker 3 He's not only a Liverpool supporter, he's what got me into football in the first place.

Speaker 3 And I named him. He's now the director of football operations at Wrexham.

Speaker 1 No way.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 3 The way that I'm going to entice Jason to come to watch a game in North Wales is to tell him that it is probably a 20-minute helicopter ride/slash private plane from there to Royal County down.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's a golf course.

Speaker 3 That's a golf course for Tracy in Wisconsin.

Speaker 2 So, Will, I've got that at a 45-minute salad already, and you're probably not even done.

Speaker 1 Still going.

Speaker 2 Go ahead. Try to say something right now.

Speaker 1 Go ahead, speak. Hi.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 God.

Speaker 1 Sorry, go ahead, Rob.

Speaker 3 Rob, I want to apologize to you. Yeah, I will say that it was on the schedule.

Speaker 1 No, it wasn't on the schedule. Yeah, Yeah, it did.
There was a fuck up in my timing, but

Speaker 1 it didn't fuck up on you, right?

Speaker 3 In fact, we pushed it a little bit because I had some technical difficulties.

Speaker 1 Here's the thing. Here's the thing, Rob.
A lot of people could take that, and I could see that. First of all, let me apologize.

Speaker 1 But here's why I don't feel like I should apologize, because I could see some people who don't know me, or if I don't know them,

Speaker 1 would take umbrage with the fact that I was eating during the interview. However, because I consider you a friend, I figured that you wouldn't mind.

Speaker 1 And I feel very comfortable because I like you a lot, and I think that you like me, and so I figured like he'll be okay with it.

Speaker 2 That sounds exactly like the excuse that I would give. I know.

Speaker 2 And it's legit. It's legit.

Speaker 2 It's a declaration of comfort and intimacy to go ahead and have a full meal while you're interviewing somebody.

Speaker 1 I wish at this point, given our conversation, and I wish, and I just can't, I also wish I could come out.

Speaker 1 Here we go. But I can't.
I'm not gay. That's a new idea.

Speaker 1 That's okay. I fucking

Speaker 1 were supportive. No, I'm serious.

Speaker 2 I thought you were going to say, I wish that I had ordered dessert as well.

Speaker 1 No, but that's not.

Speaker 1 I just wish that. Rob, how did you agree with that assessment of Will's that it's okay to eat in front of friends like that?

Speaker 3 I suppose so. I mean,

Speaker 3 it's the thing I've laughed the most about over the course of the podcast thus far. So I believe I suppose it's good for bits.
All right, good.

Speaker 1 It's good for bits. Well, Rob, thank you for being here.
This has been just wonderful. That's it?

Speaker 2 Well, hang on. No, I don't think we're done yet.

Speaker 1 We're not quite done yet with Rogue.

Speaker 1 I also do want to know, I do want to know, because you,

Speaker 1 with the football, right, we don't say soccer.

Speaker 3 We say we have to say football yet.

Speaker 1 So the football team, and you seem to just really light up when you're talking about all that business side. Where are you as far as passion with the art of and the craft of acting?

Speaker 1 Or do you see yourself in the future more going that way?

Speaker 3 Oh, oh, I thought it was going for the passion of football, which I actually would like to address for a second because I've heard Mr. Arnett talk about his newfound passion for Formula One racing.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I'd like to say that when I bring this up to Americans or American audiences, obviously football is the biggest foot sport in the world, and yet it doesn't have a passionate American fan base.

Speaker 3 And there's a lot of different reasons as to why I've heard people, which just sound like excuses to me, in the same way that there's not a lot of passion for Formula One racing.

Speaker 3 However, there is passion for NASCAR, just not in our particular Hollywood bubble. That said,

Speaker 1 I think that once you are exposed to- I live in Beverly Hills.

Speaker 3 Thanks very much.

Speaker 3 I think that as we all know, when you're exposed to something new, which by the way, this is a common theme of this. That seems to be the theme of this particular episode.

Speaker 3 When you're exposed to something new and you're open to it, open to the possibilities, and if the story is told correctly, then you realize that the thing itself, the sport itself,

Speaker 3 becomes irrelevant in the same way that, like, who gives a shit about who can put a ball in a hoop or who can, you know, the story is what's most important: you get invested in the club, you get invested in the team, you get invested in the human beings who are behind, who are on the pitch, who are on the court, who are in the cars.

Speaker 3 And then that's what you're doing.

Speaker 1 You're right. The same thing with Formula One.
Once I watched that series on Netflix and I got hooked into the story of these guys,

Speaker 3 but Sean, to your other question about, like,

Speaker 3 am I pushing in that direction to get away from the entertainment business side of it or the acting side of it?

Speaker 3 No, because as we all, everybody on this podcast knows that the acting is the easiest part and the funnest part. Yeah, for sure.
I think it's just so much fun.

Speaker 2 So, you have an entrepreneurial spirit, though, right? And you're enjoying sort of,

Speaker 2 I think it's great.

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Speaker 1 Rob, you're going to have to get these guys. Maybe you can send some DVDs of all your work so we can all celebrate you more even more and your work.

Speaker 2 I'd settle for a t-shirt from the soccer team. I mean, look.

Speaker 3 I'm going to get you a hat you can wear out on the course or out to hide your face. I'm going to get you guys some links to some stuff.
Will's already seen.

Speaker 1 Well, he doesn't mean sausage links.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I know some links to some episodes of various things.

Speaker 1 By the way, how good would that go down right now?

Speaker 1 After that salad.

Speaker 2 Sausage link from Wrexham.

Speaker 3 I will say that

Speaker 3 Jason has seen something that I've done. Okay.

Speaker 3 And that was because

Speaker 3 we were hanging out one time, and I said to him, and this was, again, maybe I'm starting this by blowing smoke up Jason's ass, but

Speaker 3 at the risk of sounding, yes.

Speaker 3 Oh, don't worry.

Speaker 1 His ass is

Speaker 1 charred from the considerable.

Speaker 2 My Wrexham is up and ready right now.

Speaker 1 Go ahead.

Speaker 3 Charred. I will say that there is a generation of comedic actors or at least an acting style that is very modeled after a Bateman kind of look on life.

Speaker 1 That sounds overstated.

Speaker 1 I see.

Speaker 2 I would defer and say it's modeled after your co-owner,

Speaker 1 Ryan Reynolds.

Speaker 3 Honestly, he would say the same about you, and he did say the same about you, which is interesting.

Speaker 3 But I do notice sometimes myself, if I'm watching myself in the editing room, I'm like, oh, I'm trying to do what Jason Bateman does, but I'm not doing it as well.

Speaker 3 And then, and then, so I told Jason about this, and he was like, oh, that sounds good. I'd like to see that.
So

Speaker 3 I clipped out some of it and I sent it to him. And I said, this is me basically trying to do you.
And I only recognize this in retrospect. And he wrote back very complimentary things.

Speaker 3 Now,

Speaker 1 about your performance that's not unlike his.

Speaker 3 Well, he said, this doesn't seem like me, because of course it wouldn't to him, but he said it is really funny. now

Speaker 1 but yet still very funny and by the way watch watch that right away he watched that one real quick yeah

Speaker 3 the response time the I mean the clip was I don't know 35 seconds long and the response was 38 seconds of course yeah of course

Speaker 3 of course it was that sounds nice that sounds nevertheless I was I was I was legitimately flying against again at the risk of ruining your show with

Speaker 3 sincerity I you're damn funny you can tell you can tell just playing golf with the fella you guys are all you from an older generation, of course.

Speaker 1 I grew up watching you.

Speaker 3 I grew up watching you all, and

Speaker 3 you're all big influences on us.

Speaker 2 Now,

Speaker 2 where are you in your incredibly busy year?

Speaker 2 You're resting slightly.

Speaker 2 You're after the

Speaker 2 Eric Bragg is the character you're playing on

Speaker 2 the Amazon show.

Speaker 3 Mystic.

Speaker 2 And then you're about to start

Speaker 2 directing directing

Speaker 2 Never Cloudy in Jersey. Is it on the

Speaker 2 resting right now, right?

Speaker 3 Well, we start writing Sunny week after next, season 15. But

Speaker 3 we are in the middle of releasing Mythic Quest Season 2 right now, which, you know, you guys aren't going to bring it up, so I will.

Speaker 1 100% on Rotten Tomatoes.

Speaker 3 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, I saw that. Certified Fresh.
Certified Fresh. Yeah.
Incredible.

Speaker 2 100%.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 3 Yes, which,

Speaker 3 you know,

Speaker 3 if the reviews are bad, of course, we don't speak of them.

Speaker 3 No, you don't mention them. But if they're good,

Speaker 3 then these are the smartest.

Speaker 2 And the second season's about to come out?

Speaker 1 These are the smartest.

Speaker 3 The second season. We are in the middle of releasing the second season.

Speaker 1 That's great. The second season.

Speaker 1 Jason's not hearing any of it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I love the question. The second season's coming out? Okay, so there's another one I don't need to.
The fucking confusion. He has resting confusion face.
Look at that. it's just so

Speaker 1 and it's masked as anger but it's really underneath it's just a fucking swirl of confusion told you I lost control of my brow

Speaker 3 The fifth episode is of the season is going to be airing, well, this week, that doesn't make any sense. Yes, we are in the middle of.

Speaker 1 You've directed a bunch of those. Not all of them, but you've like two or three in the first season and a couple this season.
Is that right?

Speaker 3 That's right.

Speaker 1 You like that part of it?

Speaker 2 You like directing more than the acting?

Speaker 3 I love the putting the pieces together of something difficult.

Speaker 3 It's just a new challenge. I mean, don't get me wrong, I love showing up and just saying words while a camera is pointed at me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then just and then rapping and going home and taking none of it home with you.

Speaker 3 Yes, that's fun. That's very fun.
But I also do, I just love the whole filmmaking process.

Speaker 3 I love being asked a million questions a day. I think that's just really cool.

Speaker 2 Are you going to be involved in any of the creative decisions on the dock for

Speaker 2 the soccer team?

Speaker 3 No, so I actively decided against that. I wanted to make sure, because I also just felt like it would be unfair to the documentary.

Speaker 3 It would just wind up seeming masturbatory, honestly, that I wanted to be somewhat objective.

Speaker 3 I want the documentary to be objective.

Speaker 3 So we hired the documentarians that made Chef's Table. They made Cheer.
They made Last Chance You.

Speaker 1 Oh, great.

Speaker 1 have a series that I love.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And basically I just said, good luck.

Speaker 3 Show me a cut. If there's something like egregious where I truly look like a douchebag, I will be honest, it'll be hard for me not to at least give him up.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but that'll be compelling television.

Speaker 3 However, I want to stay objective, so I want the documentary to stay objective, so I'm going to stay out of it as much as I can.

Speaker 2 Now, what about Ryan? Is he going to get in there?

Speaker 3 He's a monster. He's an egomaniac monster.
So he's going to be in the avid.

Speaker 2 And he's all hopped up on Gin, too.

Speaker 1 Like, you can't stop him.

Speaker 2 He'll fight you. He gets all on Jin.

Speaker 1 He's hopped up on Jin. He's looking for a reception on his mobile network that he owns.
I mean, this guy, he's got his hands in everything, you know?

Speaker 3 God, he's handsome. He's aging so gracefully, isn't he?

Speaker 1 He's so handsome and funny. Yeah.
So fucking nice.

Speaker 1 You got him beat in the skin department. Fucking sincere.
I do. I don't know.
He looks super hydrated today. Look at that skin.

Speaker 1 Good skin. Thanks.
Rob, thank you so much for being here today.

Speaker 1 We've learned so much about you.

Speaker 2 Look at the teeth, too.

Speaker 1 Look how white those are. God damn it.

Speaker 3 I don't drink coffee, Jason. I think that's what.
Well, yes, look,

Speaker 3 you guys have learned so much about me. I have learned nothing about you because I know so much about you all.

Speaker 2 You get one question. You get one question.
You know Will likes to eat.

Speaker 3 Well, I'll say I am fascinated with Jason. Well, I don't know how personal you want to get, Jason.
You seem to hold everybody at arm's length.

Speaker 1 Roll it out, roll it out. Well,

Speaker 3 there's obviously an armor that's been built up, which is the source of his entire persona and comic.

Speaker 3 Keep going, keep going. But I know everything about his family life just because I ask him questions and I'm interested in it.

Speaker 3 And I think maybe at some point, you guys, maybe not now, it's not appropriate, but you could do a deep dive into Jason's childhood, into his relationship with his various family members, his parents, because it is actually fascinating.

Speaker 2 Not a lot of people know I have multiple families.

Speaker 1 We don't have enough tissue for that episode, but this way. Okay.

Speaker 2 No, Rob, I've got, that was fascinating to learn about your mothers um i i actually do uh i want to follow up on all of that when we get back out on the course that is the one good thing one of the many good things of playing golf you can have a nice four-hour conversation with a buddy same thing with going to a dodger game you know i like that that's the only time i get a spoon or this this is the only time i talk with friends it's on this one hour or at the dodger game or on the golf course have you noticed that you know have you noticed the thing what jason likes about all those things he likes to be able to not have to look at you while he talks And then that's the only way he can be intimate.

Speaker 1 Because there's an activity involved. Pop in a pop-up.
The only way he can be intimate is if he's not looking at you, which is why he and Amanda. Well, anyway, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 Okay, so let's just say they can both

Speaker 1 watch the game.

Speaker 1 Those two girls really are a miracle, and they're gorgeous. They really are.
It really is a miracle.

Speaker 1 Rob, thank you so much for coming out, man. Fucking the best.
You're the best.

Speaker 3 Hey, you're the best. Thank you.
I'm a massive fan of all of you guys individually and a massive fan of the podcast, as is apparently most of America. So thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 You're a mega talent. You're a mega talent.

Speaker 2 It's nice of you to do this, truly.

Speaker 1 And give your love to your moms for me and your whole family.

Speaker 3 Will do. Thank you.

Speaker 2 So, I think you meant to say, give my love. You mean give your love, not his.

Speaker 1 Sorry,

Speaker 3 I give my love to them.

Speaker 1 He gives his love to you. And I will do it again.
And give my

Speaker 1 moms and your whole family. With his love.
I will. Okay.
Rob, I love you. Thank you.
I love you. I love you too, Rob.
I love you guys. I know.
Bye, Rob. Bye-bye.
Bye.

Speaker 1 What a great guy.

Speaker 2 That great guy. That great guy.

Speaker 1 Jason, you introduced me to him. Yep.
And when he, when he, you know, emailed me, like I said at the beginning, I didn't know him. And now after talking to him, you go, oh,

Speaker 1 this is one of those guys with those personalities that you go, oh, I could hang out with him all day long. Yeah.
And create, Rodin created two super successful shows. Like doing one is a huge feat.

Speaker 1 He's done it again, and I'm sure he'll do it. again.
He's just one of those guys. He's so talented.
And I love that he just picked up the, like

Speaker 1 Jason said, on a, on an off Wednesday, went to go pick up a camera and just started filming the thing. Like that's, I love that kind of advice to younger folks who are trying to like, what do I do?

Speaker 1 How do I become an actor? How do I get into the business? Just pick up a camera and go and just start shooting stuff. And he did it.

Speaker 2 He, uh, I think it is his, his kindness is infectious. I do, I do love hanging out with him.

Speaker 1 I love him. He's great.
Yeah. You know, the thing, Rob is one of those guys, I enjoy him more and more.
The more time I spend with him, the more I enjoy him and the more, the more I like him.

Speaker 2 You're implying you didn't really like him much at the beginning.

Speaker 1 No, I'm saying that I didn't, when I didn't really know him, I didn't know him. And then I liked him immediately and then I like him increasingly.
It's just sort of. Yeah, I don't know him.

Speaker 1 He's a magnet.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
I'm, I'm,

Speaker 2 I feel, I feel like I would really enjoy

Speaker 2 sunny day. You know, because I love him and I love Charlie.
The whole cast is right, you know, so I should just start watching.

Speaker 1 You just, you like to deprive yourself of certain things too, don't you?

Speaker 2 I just feel like there's so many things I haven't yet. I don't know where to start.
I mean, we'll talk about it in the episode.

Speaker 2 I've never seen ER, never seen West Wing, never seen Dallas, or your favorite show, Falcon Crest. Will, I've never seen one single episode of that.

Speaker 1 Falcon Crest. That wasn't forever.

Speaker 1 Do you know what that is?

Speaker 2 Or Battlestar Galactica?

Speaker 1 Where do I?

Speaker 2 Gunsmoke, I never saw. So where do I go?

Speaker 1 Guns in the fucking 60s.

Speaker 2 Well, I know, but come on. I haven't, you know, I've never seen Soap, you know, one of the

Speaker 1 comedies. That was a very good show, you know? So there are a lot of movies.

Speaker 2 There's tons of movies I haven't seen, exactly, you know.

Speaker 1 Hey, you know what? I've never known that. What is Jason?

Speaker 1 You go first. What's your favorite movie of all time currently?

Speaker 1 Just one. Just one.

Speaker 2 2001.

Speaker 1 Really? Yeah. Really? Wow.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's just dry enough. It's slow and dry enough.
I mean,

Speaker 1 Will, what's your favorite? No, I'm asking you. I asked you first.
Me? Amadeus.

Speaker 1 Of course, I I have forgotten. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What's yours, Will? We'll go there. Mine

Speaker 1 has been for a long time with Nail and I. Oh, that's right.
That's right.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I didn't know Rob until 2010. Favorite band of all time.
Okay. Lud Zeppelin.

Speaker 1 Probably because I'm super gay, Erasure.

Speaker 2 Hang on a second. Hang, hang, hang on.

Speaker 1 Or depeche mode. What about Bronsky Beat? You're going to leave Bronsky Beat out there.

Speaker 1 Turn away, turn away.

Speaker 1 Turn away. Hang on.

Speaker 2 Wait a second.

Speaker 2 Eurasia.

Speaker 1 Erasure. Erasure.
Erasure.

Speaker 2 Like that's at the end of a pencil.

Speaker 1 Listen, listen.

Speaker 2 What are they saying?

Speaker 1 You know, I tried to discover a little something to make me sweet.

Speaker 1 Never heard of it. That you gave me note.
That you gave me note. That you gave me a note.
That you gave me note.

Speaker 1 Never heard it before.

Speaker 1 Why do you know it?

Speaker 1 My favorite, maybe of all time, might be the Smiths. Okay.
The Smiths. Same.
That's my favorite. One of my favorites.

Speaker 2 You know, my daughter, my 14-year-old daughter really into the Smiths. And I said, I made

Speaker 2 a suggestion of a like sort of sounding band. Tell me if I was wrong here.
Belle and Sebastian.

Speaker 1 You ever heard of them? No.

Speaker 1 Three times.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I made her a little mixtape of that the other day, or a playlist, I think is what we're doing.

Speaker 1 I don't know them. I got to check them out.
Oh, they're great. Oh, they're so good.

Speaker 2 I didn't fast into the playlist.

Speaker 1 Stuart Murdoch, who's the lead singer of Belle and Sebastian, and I had a great dialogue a few years ago because I got him to give us a song for Flaked.

Speaker 1 And then I got to know a lot of bands through putting the music together for the show.

Speaker 2 You know, they say that Flaked one of the best or probably the best soundtrack in all of television history.

Speaker 1 That's according to NME. Flaked is the show that Will did on Netflix.
That's according to NME magazine. I don't know.
That's not, I didn't say it. They did.

Speaker 1 They said potentially the best soundtrack of in TV history. Again,

Speaker 2 them not you saying it all.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it wasn't written by me. It was written by

Speaker 1 me.

Speaker 1 Did that work?

Speaker 2 That worked, do it again, kind of, it did sneak up on me.

Speaker 1 I know, it was a little sneaky, it's just uh you could have framed it up better. Go ahead, we're still rolling and take it again, but it wasn't written by me.

Speaker 1 The worst part is you gotta say it first.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 It wasn't written by me, it was written

Speaker 1 by

Speaker 1 them, bye, right.

Speaker 2 So, um,

Speaker 2 Sean, you want to try one?

Speaker 1 Yes, I'm gonna try

Speaker 1 We're really off our game today. I know.

Speaker 2 Well, Rob really knocked us out. You know, I mean, the guy is just, he hit us with the charm and the teeth and the hydrated skin.

Speaker 1 I think that all his success really comes from, you could almost say it's a bae product. Bye product.
Bay product.

Speaker 1 No, I think, here's what I think. Oh, God, that was so great.

Speaker 1 This is the clumsiest landing we've ever had.

Speaker 2 Yeah, keep going. I don't have it.
I don't have it. I don't have it.

Speaker 1 You know what? Can we just get back to no, you know what I want to do? Here it comes. Here comes the coming.
Let's just get back to

Speaker 1 real, simple, old school like we did in the old days, which was just

Speaker 2 bye. Well, how about to start with, guys? I really enjoyed my time with you today.

Speaker 2 I hope you have a great rest of the Sunday. Okay.
And listen, just

Speaker 2 a sincere,

Speaker 1 goodbye. Bye.

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