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Should we do the Abbey Road thing or not?

If you want to.

There are a lot of people who are.

I don't know what this thing is to you.

Okay, look at how schizophrenic these notes were.

This is how angry you were making me.

Are you talking about a ranking that I did or just the Abbey Road review?

What do you mean?

You ranked the songs in Abbey Road?

Never mind.

You're just talking about my straight-up Abbey Road review.

You had an issue with it?

You ranked the Beatles?

No, stop talking.

Have you ranked the Beatles?

Listen.

What?

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How's it going?

Good.

How are you doing?

Okay.

Yeah, I watched your Abbey Road review last night, and it literally infuriated me into not being able to sleep for two hours.

Why?

We're going to get to that later.

You just brought it up now.

It really does elicit such an such a.

What's wrong with my Abby?

No, we're going to get to that later.

Tell me.

We're going to do a whole segment where we go through the...

You're going to have to defend whatever the spook insanity is.

Who do you think you are?

I think you're a psycho.

I think you're a sicko.

You're going 2x on this crap.

I'm not listening to all the music that I review casually.

I mean, there are a lot of records that I review, and I just don't listen again.

Either because I don't like it or maybe it's like, you know, not calling back to me in the way that some other albums are.

But like those albums that do like stick with me and I am like listening to in a casual way and showing my friends like seeing a show like you know I mean for example like you know in my downtime last year I was listening to Brad a lot you know and there was like a lot of Brad Pitts

Charlie X

oh that yeah that

but that that's kind of a that I well because of how much I was listening to that yeah there's a lot of stuff that was happening in my life last year that I associate with that album I mean that was that was the biggest album of last year I mean for me for a lot lot of people.

I guess it's...

Does it get exhausting needing to think something about something?

Oh, absolutely.

Because for me, I listened to it and I was like, gay guys are probably having the best time to this, but I don't know.

It's just.

And it's fine.

Yeah.

I'm glad that

they're having a great time.

It's just like,

I don't need to have an opinion about it.

Not everything is going to appeal to everyone.

And I mean, as opinionated as I am about a lot of things, like.

And I'm not gay.

I'm definitely.

Yeah, we know you don't like the apple.

I just want to say, yeah, the apple and the tone of the tree.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I've heard, I mean, it's every, it's an uber as well.

Yeah, not liking Brad is like probably like the straightest thing that you can do.

I don't not like it.

I just didn't respond.

Well, I mean, it doesn't resonate with you.

It did.

Yeah, it was just like,

I could tell.

It's like people, there are people that are like, this is f ⁇ ing amazing.

And I feel I'm going to live forever.

And for me, it was just like, I don't know.

There's one song that the short one that sounds like Radiohead.

I like that one.

Oh, the with like the sad scents in the background.

Yeah, I think.

Yeah, no, that's a great one.

It's f if she's called Charlie IDF, though, right?

What are your, like, what are your early, earliest music memories?

Like, how did you get into music?

You're from Connecticut?

Yeah.

And your dad's got big muscles and stuff?

Yeah.

He's a bodybuilder.

He was a powerlifting guy.

And you're a bodybuilder as well?

I mean, I know how to lift because he taught me.

It's a family institute, like, thing.

I wasn't having big old muscles.

I wouldn't say it's an institution, institution, but

you want your body to match your dad.

Fuck no.

Yeah.

No.

He was in very bad shape and bad health for a long time because of how far he kind of pushed himself.

Oh, because he was lifting too many weights?

He's torn muscles, had to have surgeries and so on and so forth.

It was ridiculous.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Why would you even want to get muscles, like fashion muscles?

That's your fault?

I guess he was getting other guys buffed too.

Yeah, he was a coach.

It must be, is that, is that, was he like a chill dad?

It's must be.

Oh, no, absolutely.

My dad was so buff, I would like, that would have, I wouldn't have liked it.

He was very imposing.

He was very heavy on the threats.

So why'd you get muscles too?

To patch things up, maybe?

No, I just like going to the gym.

What was your first musical memory?

First musical memories.

That's really what you want to know?

Yeah, like why do you like music?

That's why I like music.

Yeah.

Because I was a kid my parents played me Paul Simon Graceland I remember being a kid and listening to it it's there's a nostalgic aspect to it I mean I love that for you number one that's a little I don't like I love that for you that's what women say to their friends

they say that like when they got a new boyfriend who's like

for you

it's kind of also like it sounds like an old Jewish man too For you, I love that.

I like that.

What do you mean?

You like that for me?

I like that for specific.

Why for me?

It's a great album.

What are you talking about?

I don't know if I would want that to be my first.

You introduced me to know.

Honestly,

what was your first?

My parents never had that moment with me like you just described where they sat me down.

It's like, hey, this is like...

They didn't try to put it in the middle of it.

But it was just in the car and stuff.

But no, it's like either way, in the car, whatever.

They were never like, you got to check this out.

So it's like, whatever was kind of popular at the time, like, I just kind of just, osmosis just took in based on whether or not it just appealed to me instantly.

And that was like, you know, Green Day.

That was like Nirvana.

It was like TLC.

It was like Coolio and Biggie and, you know, just stuff that was popular.

I don't know if I would want that to be my threat.

I mean, I was kind of, you know, again,

I agree why you

agree with you.

I want you to check this out.

By virtue of the fact that there you're

like, conversely, I had a lot of friends who were like...

into certain bands of certain artists and like i would hear i would even like see you know them say stuff like this like turn that garbage off you know?

Like, while my parents didn't necessarily push me in any direction, they were kind of down with whatever I felt like I was into, which I felt like kind of gave me the ability to just kind of decide on my own what was cool and what wasn't.

They let you listen to

any music.

Whether it was like metal or rock or rap or pop or whatever, you know, it was like, it was cool.

That's nice.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Do people's parents still do that?

I feel like it's like the town from Footloose that would do that.

There's like a lot of younger people that watch me, and sometimes like when they do kind of describe such experiences to me that I generally get like, you know, positive stories about like, oh yeah, my dad's into all these bands that I'm into.

Or like, I mean, there's a generational shift now.

You know, there's like kids that tell me like, yeah, my dad put me on a Sonic Youth.

I couldn't name one track.

Of Sonic Youth.

Yeah, everyone says it acts like it's a...

I mean, that's fine.

It's funny.

It's funny to name one track.

Things have shifted in such a way to where, for some parents, it's like oldies now.

Like, Sonic Youth is oldies.

Oh.

Yeah.

Like, like, Smashing Pumpkins is oldies.

That's a good band.

They're a good band.

I'll say

you band when I was young.

The one time my parents were like, I want you to check this out, my mom, and I feel so bad about it.

She came into my, I was in high school, she was like, hey, Adam, like, she had like a CD in her head.

She's like, hey, Adam, like, you like reggae, right?

And I was like, yeah, I love reggae.

What information was she basing that off of?

Do I like Bob Marley and stuff?

Yeah.

I mean, whatever.

I mean, it's not that crazy of a thing to know about me.

So my mom, so when I was in high school, the one time my parents suggested I check something out, my mom walked in my room.

She said, hey, Adam, you like reggae, right?

She had a CD in her head.

I was like, yeah, I like reggae.

And then she goes, well, there's a rabbi who does reggae.

And I got the CD.

And I was like, get the f out of my room right now.

I was like, that will never be cool.

That is the worst idea for it.

That is the f you.

I think I called her gay, maybe.

I was like, you're you're gay, mom.

And then I got to school, I went to public school, and my non-Jewish friends were like, yo, there's this rabbi that does reggae.

Is it the Matas Yahoo guy?

Yeah, it was Matsas Yahoo.

It was the most shocking thing in the world.

He was like, I shouldn't have spoken that way to my mother.

Yeah.

I can't believe I spoke to her that way.

She was right.

He popped off when I was in college, and a lot of people thought it was cool.

The protocols of the elders of Zion.

You know,

if you throw around terminology like that, eventually you are going to get a reggae rabbi.

It's going to happen.

There were like a couple, there are like moments you remember your whole life that like you get shook, where you're like,

this has blown my mind.

And this has changed my life.

Like, what, like, what were a couple of those moments when you were a kid?

Where like a piece of music that I heard that like changed my mind.

Where you're like, this is fing, wow.

Like.

Wait, you, you should.

I think like getting into really sort of like aggressive heavy metal music when I was a teenager was probably like a moment like that.

And then I think probably hearing like bands like Dead Kennedys for the first time.

You know what?

Like, okay, wait, Haunt.

You know what?

You know what was like a mind-blowing band when I was like an adolescent, like in that period that you're talking about?

Rage Against the Machine.

Yeah, so

that's like around when Evil Empire came out.

Like I was so fing a bulls on parade.

Crazy song.

Do your parents get divorced?

Yeah.

Yeah, Rage Against the Machine was big for divorce.

I will do what they told you.

You know, I did hear that within a couple years after that happened.

So, I mean,

yeah, that hit at the right time.

Yeah.

It is music that is presented as like smart politics, but it's literally for it's literally for babies, I think.

Kind of.

I think, I think.

F ⁇ you, I will do what you what.

That's just the one dumb song.

But an adult man,

the guitar is what you're doing.

Like if you're actually a rage fan that's one of your least favorite songs that's one of your least favorite songs if you're a rage fan what do you mean it's a sick song if you're casual if you're casual I will listen to it before if I was about to be in an NFL football game and I want to

break someone's face I would listen that's the thing it's like that's the cat that's the context in which you do that where you say that that song is not

well I don't have to but I did f you I won't do it.

What is the word?

What are the words?

You won't do what you tell me?

That's so sick.

But that is what a baby says, like writing a a song.

Well, the song is anti-cop, though.

Yeah,

the parents of society.

Wait.

You consumed

criticism when you were a kid?

You read like Pitchfork, probably, right?

When I was a kid?

You didn't

a teenager.

When you were growing up.

You didn't read Pitchfork?

No.

No, this is a bullshit.

No.

You're lying.

I find that very hard to believe.

I think the most me and the giving a numerical value to a

yeah you

happened to pitch that's not gonna say well listen I'm not saying that like pitchfork didn't influence me or that I wasn't like aware of pitchfork when I started doing what I did but the thing is like are you you're asking me I'm not gonna pretend to sort of like have cool tastes and cool points of being like yeah I was on a pitchfork before anybody else was or whatever it just wasn't a thing I was paying attention to when I was younger

it made me feel old interacting with your colleagues well again there's like a lot of new pop that just sounds like pop pop from the 2000s now.

Right.

It doesn't seem like anything sounds like anything new.

I mean, after you...

I think...

Like, what's the kid A of now?

What's the kid A of now?

It's not.

There is none.

What's like this TV wonder?

See, here's the thing, and

I'm going to bust your balls a little bit about this.

I feel like, no, no, no.

Like, Kid A's a great record, classic record.

Love it.

Suck.

Okay.

But the thing is, like,

I feel like like whether or not that's a mind-blowing album to you depends on, like, how much electronic music you've heard before you got introduced to Kid A.

If you were already in Kidding.

I was 14 years old, and I was like, wow.

So you're asking me what the Kid A is often.

And also, shut up.

It's amazing.

It's a great album.

But the thing is like, what do you mean?

If you've heard Aphex Twin before you heard Kid A, that album's not blowing your mind the same way.

What are you...

Who cares?

Do you understand what art is?

Art is like,

there are things that you're influenced by, and then you improve upon them.

Okay, okay, okay.

I'm just saying, what are the new things?

Okay, what is okay, you're asking me, what is an artist that kids blow their minds at because

there's a lot of other sounds and genres out there in music?

I'd say it's Playboy Cardi.

He's the Stevie Wonder of now?

No, he's the kid A of now.

He's the kid A of now.

Yeah, he's the artist that children's minds are blown by because they have an ignorance toward what came from.

He's the smartest people on earth.

Some of the people that understand

that the president is, you can't trust, I don't know,

when you sh on something, right?

If you don't like something, the artist is obviously going to get pissed off because they like worked hard on it and then they're like, f this guy.

But their fans, I think, also, have you seen a rise in the people that like the artist getting pissed off at you?

Over the course of time that I've been doing what I do, I wouldn't say there was a rise.

Like, I still see, and I,

you know, really, really in the first few years of doing what I do full-time, like, you know, one of my earliest reviews was a review that, like, blew up, and I just got widespread hate for it.

From what?

My beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy.

But

come on, dude.

You just.

What?

No.

It's bad?

No, it's not bad.

It's just okay.

What do you mean, just it's

run away?

It's got the Nikki verse on Monster.

Yeah, there's highlights on the side.

It's got the best Jay-Z verse I've ever heard.

goblins spookies

spookies it is not the best jay-z verse

halloween frankenstein

things that go bump in the night monsters

it's great

it's okay it's not

it's not it's come on colours dropouts better you gave yezes a three i gave it a five

but it's that was a music that i when people heard it they were like this is a new type of a thing

I mean

you I know that that depends on what you've heard Kanye was copying death grips I have it on 100%

What I have it on good authority that a friend of mine who was connected to his team You know helped burn him a bunch of CDs and Nick stuff

like no

It was the early 2010s

Though that freak was still around around that time Nick Fuentes Yeah, he was in kindergarten.

Yeah, probably.

No, he was like, I can't remember.

He's like an old man that looks like a little kid?

Gary?

No, no, no.

He's younger anyway.

Anyway, I don't even want to talk about that freakyzoid.

I know a friend of mine who had knowledge that a bunch of sort of prevailing industrial hip-hop artists, you know,

including Death Grips.

They had their music burned on a CD.

He He was exposed to it.

But the thing is,

with that being said, I think Travis Scott had more of an impact on the sound of that record than Death Grips did.

So what?

I'm not saying that is a bad thing.

You're talking about...

That's just what artists.

You posited a few minutes ago that there was absolutely no doubt.

So you're saying he's biting.

You're saying he's biting, right?

I think it's not that interesting if you've heard other stuff, is what I'm saying.

You're such a dickhead, dude.

Well, I mean, that's kind of my job.

It's so brave, though.

I really like, because it is infuriating, right?

I love,

you know, I like music a lot, right?

Sure.

And if you disagree with me, it does upset me.

And I do think you're doing some sort of thing for attention,

to girls or something.

To girls?

Yeah, girls are like, oh, my God, he doesn't like Yeezys.

If it's for girls, it's like a girl.

He's crazy.

He's different.

You're doing it.

No, my audience is like.

What upsets me is this.

My audience is like 80% men.

Really?

Yeah.

Lucky?

80%.

I think us too.

It's a terrible feeling, isn't it?

I'm neutral on it.

You're neutral on it?

No, it doesn't feel good.

No, I'm neutral on it.

No, you want to.

It has.

You want a 50-50.

Why?

You don't want to just like, what?

Like,

male online internet populations?

It's not a.

I mean, I feel like it has nice.

Maybe if they're watching me, they're not watching Andrew Tate.

You think that that's a thing?

Sure.

Maybe they like music and like the coolest guy of all time.

Now,

Andrew Tate hates music.

He does like music?

He hates music.

Ah, yes.

He's got so.

Well, the thing is,

people of that mindset hate art generally.

Okay, so you have a community, right?

Sure, ought to an extent.

Millions of people that are part of your community.

I wouldn't call it a community.

Well, no, you're constantly interacting with them.

You say, you're asking them as a voice.

You're going to make it a community.

You're asking them questions.

You say,

what's the best album of the 2000s?

And then someone says Kid A and you go,

across several million people.

You'd be wrong.

Across several million people, there's little cohesion.

When I watched that one, you said,

you could say that, but you'd be wrong.

In Rainbows is better.

But does it matter?

In Rainbows is better than Kid A.

But does it matter?

No, no, none of it matters, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to put out my opinion.

But

what is the, like, I guess what's the cultural merit of

assigning a new,

is it you, like, who, like, what does it matter?

Like, who cares?

I guess if you want me to explain the context that all of that is coming in.

It's great content.

Yeah, sure.

It's really engaging.

And I wanted to keep clicking and keep

saying.

Getting angry.

Hello.

But, like, why can't you just be like,

they're really good?

Uh-huh.

Why can't I just say they're all great?

But why does a K-Day have to be worse than

okay comp.

Well, those, yeah, that's a really good one.

Okay, here's the thing.

Those three are really good.

If you're actually going to be critical

for a living, you have to sort of like break some eggs.

But don't you think that it's kind of like,

I don't know.

It doesn't.

See, here's the thing.

It's like you're asking sort of like, what is the merit of a title?

Is it criticism or is it...

You're asking, what is the merit and what is the point of what I'm doing?

Wouldn't there be even less less of a point?

What's the project?

Wouldn't there be even less of a point to a critic that just says everything is good?

No, not everything's good, but like...

Well, yeah, not everything is good.

So the thing is, if you just said everything was good all the time, why would anybody watch?

I'm saying that if two albums are both really good,

does it matter if...

And also, does it matter if OK Computer is...

They're all really good albums.

It's a really good band.

Yeah.

Have you, I mean, I can't get enough of this.

Like, to say that, like, I enjoy In Rainbows more than Amnesiac isn't to say that I don't enjoy Amnesiac or that it isn't a good album.

I'm just stating a preference.

No, but you're, yeah, you're fan, but it is for your community.

They want to see what Mellon's going to say about this crap.

Sure.

It's a game, kind of, more.

Yeah.

It doesn't.

I mean, it's supposed to be fun on some level.

It's not fun for me.

Because the thing is, like, with a band like Radio that has as versatile discography as they do, and even Kanye, like, to make such a list, everybody's going to have a wildly different opinion.

I mean,

there's the right answer.

The thing that I'm going to do is

whatever.

I mean,

what's the right answer?

Yeah.

Yeah, it's the thing I think.

What is the thing that you think?

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Back to the show.

Should we do the Abby Road thing or not?

How do you know what the thing is to you?

I went, just, okay, look at how schizophrenic these notes were.

This is how angry you were making me.

Okay.

There's like different pieces of paper.

There's no logical flow.

Okay.

Should I actually do that?

Wait,

you're just talking about my classic Abbey Road review, just a standalone review of the album.

Are you talking about a ranking that I did or just the Abbey Road review?

What do you mean?

You ranked the songs in Abby Road?

Never mind.

You're just talking about my straight-up Abbey Road review.

You had an issue with it?

You ranked the Beatles?

No, stop talking.

Have you ranked the Beatles?

Listen.

What?

I listened to you talk about Abbey Road.

Just a review.

Which is A,

you got the...

It's so but it's like a class so brave of I mean it's crazy of you're a sick man okay okay

what like for context for everybody who's watching this thing for everybody who's watching this who is sane

I did a classic Abbey Road review

classic Abbey Road review that is very positive and very glowing because I do think it is my favorite Beatles album so I'm perplexed

as to what you hate about it what do you hate about me loving that album because you you you're the way you're talking you're making it sound like I shit on the record and talk like it was the worst thing ever you didn't shit on it, but the way you talked about it really

How did I talk about it that you got pissed off about?

You said that the okay, you said the Golden Slumbers medley was art art pop.

Yeah, that's like a that's a very that's a very no, that's not a thing.

Do you understand that this is where

very well-established opinions?

No, you're like and the love shack baby!

It's not art pop.

It didn't exist.

Nothing exists.

They made that's not art pop.

They made the

pop.

Baby Ts are not art pop.

It's a new way.

Oh, you know, put on a f ⁇ ing big suit.

F ⁇ ing what?

Now I understand why.

In terms of a term,

it's offensive to my ear.

Why?

Because it's...

Art pop is a thing.

It's a contemporary term.

It's like saying,

well, wait,

the Golden Slumber's medale was Twitter.

It's an inappropriate

phrasing for it.

Because it's interesting.

I mean the thing the thing is like that's the Rosetta Stone right through the time period where it was progressive and and artsy by pop standards I mean it's sort of like set art pop though why because that's like some lesbian in the 1990s

I understand

I understand it's

it's not

offensive to the Beatles I understand the era of music that that term is usually attached to because obviously it's sort of like snowballed into something bigger that was like a larger musical movement.

We're talking about a band and we're talking about the Golden Slippers music with swinging rattles

who were ahead of the curve.

We're talking about artists who were ahead of the curve and like wasn't ahead of the curve.

They invented pop music.

This is they did not invent pop music.

Yes, they did.

No, they did not.

They invented.

Do you believe the Beatles did not

pop music?

Do you play guitar?

Pop music precedes the Beatles.

I know that.

Yeah, yeah.

But do you understand?

Like, everything comes there.

It's the source a lot of things do which is everything

and other the beatles obviously came from other places right

sure and there's a lot of people who uh rightly acknowledge the fact that like you know uh i want you she's so heavy the last passages that that's that's like one that's like one of the first metal riffs it's not the first like metal riff yeah you know so sad but the thing is like how do they know you can explain you could you could call that like metal in a sense while also acknowledging that like metal as we know it came later what do you mean

that's not to that's not to say that's not to say that riff is that's not to say the Beatles are a metal band because they did that riff it's just

it was grating on my ear to say the golden slumbers which is the probably the best song it's probably the best moment in music

but you're just mad that I use the term art pop because it's like offensive because it's it's the it's the most important thing

and I just okay

let's go back through my look at this I'd like a this is like a manifesto.

Earlier, you accused me of

being braiding on this.

You said this.

I think you're, I think you're.

At minute 11,

you're reviewing Oh Darling, right?

Okay.

Which is a finger.

Oh, darling.

The emotion.

The f ⁇ ing, like, how f ⁇ ing pissed he's singing at the end.

How much pain he's in.

Okay.

Right?

But he's in love on that song.

You said that you wish that Paul could sing more regular.

Yeah.

Like, what gives gives you the right?

Come on, just don't say, but what gives you the confidence to say that?

Honestly, I'm

not saying that.

I look at Paul McCartney.

Why would you say that?

And I don't, and I don't see, when it told me, you know, I mean, I get that you can't.

You think that doesn't sound sick?

It's like John Fogarty singing about being from down by the bayou.

He's not.

Okay, have you heard the BG song Massachusetts?

They've never been to Massachusetts.

They didn't know what Massachusetts was.

They didn't know what it was.

It sounded good there.

And it does sound good there.

So what do you mean that

when you told me,

do you understand that they consumed American rock and roll?

No, I get that.

And they lived in a place, no one even knew what Liverpool was, right?

Until they came here.

And then they gave it back to us.

And as a cultural exchange, it's incredible.

It's like

you can't possibly say, I wish Paul would sing more regular here.

Yeah.

And he has the capacity to, you know, we've heard Hey Jude.

What?

You want it to sound...

That's crazy.

Just don't say that.

He's just singing straighter on that song.

He cut that for him.

It's just, you wanted it to sound more like Hey Jude?

I didn't want to say, I just wanted him to sing a bit straighter on that.

Let it be the Beatles.

It's just, it's there.

It's been there already.

You don't have to say,

it's...

why?

Like, what's the point of it?

It stresses me out.

I'm stressed again just thinking about it.

I am.

And I know, like, listen, if you're talking about that, how my kid sees it, and you're, that's, that's, that's great.

Right?

But, like, what you're so brave and crazy, and you're a sick in the head for, like, for even saying, I wish Paul would do a little bit more of a regular voice

in this moment.

I think we should be allowed to be critical of everything.

The greatest songwriter of all time?

Paul McCartney, the greatest songwriter of all time?

Yes.

Point blank, period.

Bob Dylan.

No competition.

Bob Dylan.

Paul McCartney, yeah.

In my opinion.

I mean, like.

You're wrong.

There's probably.

Okay, Maxwell Silver Hammer.

You said that it was like disturbing.

Yeah, but that's what's funny about it.

But you understand that the words, they're just saying any word.

No, no, no, that's not funny.

Did you see the Beatles do have songs where they consciously did say just any words?

And on purpose, just because there were people who were reading too much into their music.

Well, how are you disturbed by it?

It's a baby song.

We all know it.

What are you talking about?

You said that this qualified, that it qualifies.

Everyone thinks that John is the weird artist and

Paul is the normal one, but he writes

this

most disturbing song yeah it's but that's what's funny that's a you're confused first of all John was the emotional I'm citing this as like this is a positive interesting characteristic of the record I'm exhausted right now I've been up all night okay

in when he says and I will sing you a lullaby right

and then he and then the next the next word is what boom the big golden slumber crescendo okay and you take issue with the fact that it wasn't a lullaby that comes next.

No, I didn't.

I took issue with it.

No, I didn't.

You said that a lullaby should come next.

No, I did not.

You're driving me.

Now you're just making stuff up.

I did not say that.

Check it.

Can someone check it?

I did not say that.

I did not say I'm mad.

That's what I punched.

I did not say you were mad.

You were like, you would be expecting a lullaby.

I did not say that.

I did not say

that I was upset or that there was anything bad about not a lullaby following that part.

I know for a fact, I put out a lot of content and I can't remember every second of it, but I guarantee I did not say that there was an issue with not a lullaby following that.

I'm pretty sure a lullaby would be a good thing.

Listen, what you're going to have to do is

what you're going to have to do is slice in the clip of me saying.

I don't want to.

You know what really would have been good here?

A lullaby.

With Golden Slumbers, we get this very big dramatic showing of strings and horns and pianos for a lullaby that is described in the lyrics, but never really quite happens.

I mean, it is gorgeous and it is powerful, but I would be pretty angry if Paul McCartney went through all of this trouble to set up a lullaby only for him to kind of lead into, Boy,

you're gonna carry that weight.

No, what it is, is that just music means so much to people, and that's why they respond there.

There's so much that you make up stuff to be mad about.

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If you look at your channel, the top, I'd say probably 20 or 30

videos on the needle drop are all hip-hop.

A lot of them, yeah, yeah.

You're probably the biggest hip-hop critic nowadays.

Like by virtue of just kind of reviewing it.

Numbers wise, yeah.

Does it feel weird sometimes as a white guy to be talking about it to be talking about a black, like something that's predominantly black?

Sure.

you how do you like uh manage that in terms of your reviews?

I mean I feel like

one of the ways I try to manage it,

which I think is like kind of a best practice for me, is like um

you want to sort of like pay attention, very careful attention and sort of like take care to sort of make note of and and most importantly take seriously like the substance of the subject matter.

You know and especially like you know consider that like like people are describing experiences that I don't personally have a super intimate familiarity with.

But, you know, simultaneously, you don't want to treat rap music like it's a special case because I feel like that's kind of patronizing.

You're a music critic, right?

Well, I mean, the thing is, like, you know, by that same token, while I say that, I also don't have intimate personal experience of what it is to be a woman.

I'll give you an example of what I'm trying to get at.

In the NBA, right,

punditry has in the last 10 years kind of become a lot about advanced statistics and metrics.

And I think maybe perhaps is a result of

a predominantly white pundit class talking about something that's predominantly black.

Sports is a bit more of a concrete subject matter than whether or not a song is good.

But the question is, is that like, I don't know, I really

saw a lot of your tweets during this Drake and Kendrick thing last year.

Sure.

And your analysis did tend to be like, you know, in the third round, they switched up the flow three times.

And, you know, like you were giving kind of more of the stats.

A little bit, yeah.

Did you find it entertaining?

Yeah.

It just,

what is they,

in your opinion?

I mean, as a person that's commented on this.

Yeah.

Do you want me to start answering now?

Yeah.

Okay.

Sorry, we'll cut that down.

No, no, no.

It's fine.

I think

from my personal outsider perspective, having

listened to and reviewed a great deal of Kendrick's music and looking at that song,

I feel like

there is sort of a weakness there or a bit of confusion there when you're talking about the song that you're observing when you're kind of like looking at it.

outside of the greater context of like the beef between him and Drake.

Well, I mean, the thing is, if you look at specifically in that vacuum, I feel like the they is super clear in terms of like

in terms of in terms of it literally like

him

and his entourage and

not only people who sort of engage in the sort of behavior that Kendrick paints him as

you know, engaging in on the song,

but also in his own way, Kendrick is trying to paint Drake in a way as, and again, this is not like me saying whether or not this is true.

This is me saying like, this is what Kendrick,

I'm saying, this is what Kendrick is insinuating in the song.

He's trying to paint Drake as culturally being outside of the black experience in a way.

Kamala Harris

was told that she's not black, and there was an outrage.

Sure.

It's confusing to me why there wasn't a similar response by, I mean, people like yourself are like,

why

what happened with Drake was treated differently?

Like whether or not I was outraged that that was the case?

It's kind of it's kind of messed up, right?

Well, I mean, I think that those were happening in two far different contexts.

Well, I mean, like, Drake's like black, right?

I mean, yeah, I can't deny that.

So, I mean, it's, but it's.

I'll, okay.

Look, here's the thing.

I'm not saying it's not faulty messaging.

Like, you know, objectively speaking, objectively speaking, like, Drake's dad is black.

Drake is black.

You know?

I think,

and again, I'm just insinuating here based off of what I hear on the song.

I feel like for Kendrick, what he was trying to get across on the track, because when you literally talk about sort of like who he collabs with and where he goes to sort of like make these kind of cultural connections to sort of like align himself with certain segments of hip-hop music,

I think he's sort of displaying that as more of a cultural blackness.

I think it's a lot of guys our age that are white guys that were like really getting into it, and it felt a little weird.

I think we just had a nice time when Drake was here.

We've had a lot of nice times while Drake was playing.

I think

now we have to know what a tariff is and stuff because Drake went away.

Please, wherever you are, Australia, where is he now?

I think he's in America again.

Listen.

I guess I just miss him.

Oh.

You know?

He's still around.

No.

Everyone's laughing at him for being a nonce.

Well, so you can't be into Drake because other people aren't.

How do you deal with people being mad at you?

I'm doing it right now to you, and you're a good guy.

You're a sicko, but you're a good guy.

No, I mean, like, I just disagree with what you're saying.

But I have to imagine, I mean, people have sued you.

Yeah.

I mean, I got to say, hats off.

Like,

the most famous male pop star of the last 15 years DM'd you and said that he thinks you're a zero or like a light

one.

I mean, it's crazy.

Drake is the most famous male pop star, and

you got rent-free in there.

And you're just some, you're a guy from Connecticut.

Yeah, I'm still rent-free in there.

Wait, that upset you.

Your response there is that's a genuine response.

No, no, I'm saying I still think it's likely that he thinks about me.

You think he's thinking about you still?

I know he's thinking about me.

Why is that?

I've seen evidence that he still thinks about me.

What?

So what is your question?

I'm asking you, like, how do you deal with people getting pissed at you?

I don't know.

Really?

I mean, I feel like

it's just been happening so, I guess here's the thing, like, it's been happening

so consistently for so long.

And

most of the criticisms are like,

I feel like I've just been reading the same three to five hate comments like over and over and over for the past 12 years.

So it's like, after a while, I just become what are they mad about?

Just the same, you already know.

You know, just like, oh, you reviewed that album.

I don't know what to do with no hate comments.

I'm just mad at you for.

No, I mean, it's the comments you've already seen.

You could tell Paul McCartney what he could do 80 years ago.

Yeah.

But what do they say?

That you're

going to rated this, that, or it's like, you don't know shit about it.

But that's not a hate comment.

No, it is.

Why?

Because they disagree with your opinion on a song?

No, like, you're a f ⁇ ing idiot.

You rated this wrong.

Well, what is hate?

I don't know.

I've got people telling me that.

There are people claiming like you didn't even listen to the album or you don't know sh ⁇ music.

You're a f ⁇ ing fat ass melon head white loser.

That's fine.

It's the internet.

Slur this, slur that, something else.

What slur is there for you?

Like

everybody also sort of like on Twitter.

Italian slurs?

Not even that.

Like

homophobic slurs.

People on Twitter are sort of like, everybody's using retard now.

Everybody's just like saying, it's the internet.

It's hell on earth.

No, it is hell on earth, but it's getting worse.

Yeah, I know.

Elon did free speech, and it's too scary, I think.

I think we found that out.

It's Sodom's favorite screen.

It's not even free speech.

They just wanted to be free to talk like fourth graders on the internet.

That's all it is.

It's not about a free expression of ideas.

I think.

It's about a freedom to be a fourth grader on the internet.

Yeah, I think you are right.

In fourth grade, a lot of people were like that the Holocaust never happened.

Yeah.

No, but I'm saying you're on 4chan.

Don't act like the internet's.

You've seen crazy.

By the time that I was on 4chan, I had already read Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky, and

you got that for him?

Been introduced to.

You can't say that you had read Noam Chomsky before you joined 4chan.

I did.

But that's, you don't...

Come on, bro.

So the thing is, like,

by the time I came across a lot of the ideological stuff that was on there, I was already like, oh, this is psychotic.

You know?

Because you read the people's history of...

No, come on.

Yeah.

Because you read two things?

Well, no, it wasn't just two things.

What I'm saying, like...

You've seen

Wackatoo stuff.

That's what I'm saying.

I'm saying.

You've been exposed to the people.

Okay, well, first off, let's not disregard Howard Zinn's people's history as

not the essential tome

on imperialism that it is.

I know, I've read it.

And once you understand that,

and once you understand that and have read it, there's like a lot of, I think, fear-based white identity politics that you're kind of like automatically inoculated against because you actually see like

Holocaust denial.

I'm sorry.

I'm talking about Holocaust denial and also imperialism.

And I feel like there's a lot of that that you understand as bullshit and you're confronted with it when you sort of understand the broader history of imperialism across the world.

Yeah, but I've never actually been on 4chan much, but is it scary stuff like that?

I would say it's probably,

I think because it's been sold off and a lot of the worst places where you kind of get a hold of those ideologies, it's kind of been pulled out of Pandora's box and you can kind of see that stuff on Twitter now.

I feel like you don't need to go to 4chan anymore to see that shit.

Well, that's the point I was making.

We're talking about numerous eras here.

The time period in which I was there, there was more of a variety of different people of ideologies because there weren't a whole lot of places to talk about a lot of the stuff that people were talking about on 4chan.

It was a board.

It was many different boards.

But the thing is, like for example, on the music board, because I was mostly on the music board, whenever somebody would be coming, whenever somebody

radio head,

whenever somebody would come in and say something

ridiculous or racist or sort of like offensive people, just be like, go back to the politics board.

To the racist one.

To the politics board.

Like, mostly the politics board was kind of just like relegated to the psychos.

But then, once there became more variety of places to discuss music, anime, so on and so forth, be it on Reddit or wherever, it became less essential to go talk about it there.

So like a lot of the psychopaths just started like running the asylum.

And also it got sold off and so on and so forth.

Who bought it?

I forget.

Even more racist guy?

I think maybe a less racist guy.

I don't remember.

Oh, there was a documentary about it where it was like a little guy in the bed.

Did you guys see that?

The 4chan documentary?

What was that little guy in the bed all about?

Right, you saw that, though?

I forgot.

Sick, dude.

Have you listened to his stuff?

I can't say I have.

Have you made music?

Sure.

And you've been in bands.

Yeah.

You're a bassist, right?

Yeah.

Do you have any like songs that I can listen listen to?

No.

Come on, dude.

No.

Why don't you get a little taste of your own medicine?

Let me just...

Just let me.

I'm not going to be mean about it.

Okay.

I thought you were about to give me a million dollars.

No, no, no.

Sorry.

Sorry.

Sorry.

Chapstick.

It dries out your lips more.

No, it doesn't.

No, you got to use Aquaphor.

Oh, okay.

We'll go to the CVS after this.

All right.

Lil, I want to hear,

I'll give you a song of mine.

We'll both put it on headphones.

Okay.

And then honest reviews.

Okay.

Are you down?

Yeah.

For real, though?

Yeah.

Okay.

Whoa.

This is skloozy for me?

Sure.

Are your friends and family have heard this?

A couple people, like friends that I've sent it to on my the closest friends.

Yeah.

So that's it.

Who the fuck is

Jesus Christ?

So you're a music critic.

Yeah.

Can I ask you a serious question though?

Yeah.

Have you ever farted into Shazam and discovered your new favorite U2 song?

No, I have not.

You should.

That's how I discovered that song.

Yeah, okay.

Disgusting.

What do you think is better, rock or rap?

Just answer it, dude.

Let's settle the goat.

It's because you're with top ladders because you have the same birthday.

It's disgusting.

All right.

You're going to hate this.

I think this is like really shitty.

What?

You're not going to like it.

No, you know what you're doing.

You're saying something because it's really scary to put yourself out there like that.

And then think about it.

I got it.

I got it.

Are you ready?

Are you ready?

Yeah.

These are your headphones, would you?

Yeah.

You should have better headphones.

I mean, I know they're cheap.

Okay, are you ready?

You're probably, yeah.

Are you ready?

You have $10 million?

Yeah, about.

That's what you do.

Yeah.

You make mad money, probably.

All right, let's go.

Okay.

Whistle.

Have the Beasles party get the kids together.

It's not a sign hile, it's a rumor just to

Trump.

Yeah, Trump, yeah.

It's a little political thing.

Yeah.

He's done after this.

I'm done after this.

This is a diss track.

Your diss track

diss track on Trump.

Your diss trahor.

This is like a short thing.

It's not short.

That seemed like it took forever.

It's two minutes.

Oh, okay.

You really did that.

You really did that for yourself.

By myself, yeah.

But if you want to take down Trump, you've got to release this crap.

I don't want to release it.

It's crap.

He's been accused 10 times.

The style.

Okay.

I'll give you my honest reaction.

Making that for yourself is...

That's a very interesting thing to think about.

Why?

Well, I don't know.

Do you feel like you're getting your rocks off a little bit?

You're talking so much about like.

I guess I just wanted to see if I could do it.

If you could do a diss track on Trump?

Well, just record a song.

Oh, is that your f only song you've ever done?

No.

Oh, so why did you say you wanted to see if you could record a song?

Oh, I haven't recorded a song that sounded quite like that.

Oh, yeah, it sounds a lot like it's like

like nine nineties.

Talk, talk, yeah.

Talk rock.

Talking, yeah.

Like when they college radio,

my United States of whatever kind of thing.

That's a banger.

Yeah, yeah.

Syphilanoff.

It's kind of that.

But I'm just thinking, like,

to

you were like, you know,

it's really just a, it's a song about Donald Trump for yourself.

And it's about like

weird right-wingers that I see on the internet.

I think it was pretty much about Donald Trump.

Yeah, but it's like a reference there, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

It's just an interesting thing.

Yeah.

But you, but it's, you're never going to drop it, right?

I don't think so.

Are you going to keep practicing trying new diss tracks on Trump until you're ready?

No, I'm probably just going to keep practicing just writing and recording different things.

I think you're a good guy.

I think kids find out

a lot of cool stuff because you.

Thank you, bro.

Look inside the eye of your mind.

don't you know you might find

a better place to play.

You said

that you never feel,

but all the things that you see

better fade away.

So it's our revolution for better

And we

sell outside some inside.

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