Baltimore Blows It, Jayden Daniels Grabs It, and More From the NFL's Divisional Round With Cousin Sal

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Speaker 1 But uh, the cousin and I reacting right after the Ravens blew it against Buffalo. That's next.
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Speaker 1 These are the faces of two guys who just lost a decent amount of money. Cousin Sal is here.
It is Sunday night.

Speaker 1 We just watched the Ravens barely lose to the Buffalo Bills, which I guess is going to be remembered sadly as the Mark Andrews game, right? That'll be

Speaker 1 what we call it.

Speaker 1 It was going to be, and then it maybe wasn't going to be, right? And then he solidified it. He's like, no, no, no, this is all me.
No, no, no. We're going to name this after me.
Really good tight end.

Speaker 1 Had a great career. And unfortunately, big fumble fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 Big drop, two-pointer. Lamar, 330 left.

Speaker 1 The whole legacy drive coming. You know, like whatever, whatever happens is going to set the discourse.
And where it lands is he actually comes through.

Speaker 1 They have a touchdown drive, but then they lose anyway. So I don't know what we do with the Lamar thing.
I was thinking about it, though, as we were like younger.

Speaker 1 When we would watch sports, we'd watch like people like Carl Malone and A-Rod.

Speaker 1 pre-2006 Peyton Manning and people like that. And it was like really fun to call people chokers.
And oh, this guy chokes. Oh, and this guy, when it matters, he can't show up.

Speaker 1 And it was like this really really fun pre-internet thing that we would do. Being at the game, you could do it.
It was nothing better than putting your hands around your neck, your own neck. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You either came through or you didn't. You were either in this group or this group.
And that's just kind of the way we talked about sports before the discourse got smarter.

Speaker 1 But now, as I get older, I feel like I'm rooting for people not to fall in that bucket, to not be the Carl Malone, Greg Norman, A-Rod, Chris Weber.

Speaker 1 And I'm watching Lamar and I'm like, after the first two turnovers, I'm like, God damn, if he loses this game, it's really hard. You're on Let Down Mountain now and it's really hard to get off.

Speaker 1 Weren't you thinking about that? I was, but I also thought the Ravens were unfairly favored in this game, right? I thought the Bills should have gone into this game when we did this last Sunday night.

Speaker 1 I was like, the Bills should be, they're a better team. They were treated like they were the seven seed, like they had just won the NFC South.

Speaker 1 Like they're getting a point and a half or whatever at home. I know it flipped from Sunday night.
So I thought this is as much a problem for

Speaker 1 Josh Allen and his legacy as Lamar. But you're right, except for one thing.
The Discourse is not smarter. The Discourse is garbage lately.
It's terrible. It's true.
Yeah, it's awful.

Speaker 1 People don't know how to watch games anymore. But I did feel bad for him for sure.
But again, it wasn't his fault. So in a way, he gets a pass, right? Except for the turnovers.

Speaker 1 Well, he was the reason they could never get in front in the first place. He had...
Yeah. He sailed the pick.
It said they score in the first drive. Buffalo comes back and scores.

Speaker 1 Baltimore is the ball again. They just look like they're in control.
The running game hasn't even gone going yet. And then he sails a pick 20 yards over somebody's head to the safety.

Speaker 1 And they come back from commercial and Romo's saying how this is Matt Milano. He forced that pressure.
And I'm watching. I'm like, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 I think Lamar just like gacked the play and just sailed the play.

Speaker 1 And then later that fumble he had when they're driving.

Speaker 1 And it was a bad snap, picks it up and ends up getting stripped. But that was like, you know, that was like a Mac Jones fumble.
That was like a Dorian Thompson Robinson fumble.

Speaker 1 That's like, these are the shitty quarterbacks we watched during the season. They make stupid plays like that.

Speaker 1 You're not supposed to make a play like that in this game when it's like the best quarterback in the league versus the best quarterback in the league. Neither guy is Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 1 But it was this big showdown and just two crappy plays. And it just felt like the whole game was off after that.

Speaker 1 Can I just, I know it's more exciting to be outraged, but can I defend him and some of the others we saw turn the ball over today? Yeah. It was 12 degrees.
It's fucking cold. It's fucking cold out.

Speaker 1 It is. So we're on text change with people like, what happened to the Eagles defense down the stretch? Why did they, why they didn't look like that at all? Well, it's cold and they're exhausted.

Speaker 1 Like, that's why they gave up the touchdown

Speaker 1 for the backdoor cover and almost the touchdown to go ahead. Why isn't Henry in there every play when he's running so well? Well, it's cold.
So maybe they need a break.

Speaker 1 So I think we forget about the human element. It's cold.
The ball is so shiny, it's easier to fumble.

Speaker 1 That was a great hit by Bernard Bernard on Andrews to force the fumble, but that would be my excuse for Lamar. But

Speaker 1 it doesn't really help Ravens fans right now.

Speaker 1 I thought they were a better team. You did.
That's a great game. I mean, that's such a great win for Buffalo.
Three turnovers to none.

Speaker 1 Baltimore misses both two-point conversions. Two plays that I didn't like.

Speaker 1 Right? The first one felt a little rushed. Neither one of them was just, we're going to ram the ball down your throats and score.
The second one, you're rolling Lamar out.

Speaker 1 It felt like the entire defense was going. He did have Andrews open, but that's not an easy play.
It's 10 degrees outside. It's freezing.
He's already fumbled a play before. He's falling backwards.

Speaker 1 We've seen guys drop that. It wasn't like an absolute, you know, he should have caught it, but it wasn't a layup.
But

Speaker 1 also, his ass was hanging out too, kind of. It really was.
He was almost naked. I don't know what happened.
How about this? How many times did the Ravens punt today?

Speaker 1 Did they not punt? I know it either ended on a turnover or a zero punt.

Speaker 1 A score. Yeah.
Zero points, three turnovers. They missed two, two points.

Speaker 1 And yet it felt like if it got to overtime, I thought they were going to win. And I thought they did a good job against Buffalo in the second half, too.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, Allen had a chance to put the game away in that last drive when they're up, what was it? They were up five. Right.
And they ran that same QB draw.

Speaker 1 It was like when I played Madden against Ben and he's just running the same play.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, by the fourth grow, I'm like, oh, you're going to run the play where you do this and just put two guys there.

Speaker 1 He ran the QB drive seven times, and they finally were ready for it. They had to kick the field goal, and it felt like they just left the door open a tiny bit.

Speaker 1 Plus, there was a great, I mean, it was a great weekend for weird gambling shit. Baltimore minus one and a half.
Crazy. They're lingering the whole time.

Speaker 1 The moment they missed the two-point, it's like, of course, they're going to win 25-24.

Speaker 1 Right when they tried the two-point conversion to tie it up, you're like, there's no freaking way they're going to get it. Otherwise, the spread wouldn't have been one and a half.

Speaker 1 Like, I wish I could live bet the two-point conversion, but yeah, yeah, that was bad. Yeah.
And then Jake Elliott in the game before, just a random missed PAT out of nowhere.

Speaker 1 Now they're up 13 instead of 14. They're favored by six and a half.
It's like, of course, the Rams are going to score. This is this is pre-ordained now.

Speaker 1 And then the KC one was the worst one. The absolute worst.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I don't know where to, where to go with it.

Speaker 1 I'll say this, though. I feel like the game could change no matter what.
Like it could change what it catches. You could change replay, what it can cover, what it doesn't.

Speaker 1 You could add stick them to gloves. But the one thing that's constant, and especially in the playoffs, if you have more turnovers than the other team,

Speaker 1 it's unforgiving. It really is.
I mean, Allen had what, 125 yards passing. Hurts had about the same.

Speaker 1 If I would have told you in the beginning of the game, hey, the beginning of the day, those two guys are not even going to combine for 260 yards. How much money would we have put on the other sides?

Speaker 1 Like, right? I guess we would have covered with the Rams, but it is unbelievable. Tried and true.
You turn the ball over, especially on the road in the playoffs. You're going to lose a game.

Speaker 1 Allen, 127 yards passing.

Speaker 1 Cook, 67 yards. Allen was 10 for 20 rushing.

Speaker 1 Shakir was their best receiver at 67 yards. The next guy had 15,

Speaker 1 and they won. That Ravens finished with 416 yards.
Buffalo, 273,

Speaker 1 And they won. But that's the thing.

Speaker 1 I lost both of my, I lost the Lions because of the big T's. I had the Lions with the other three favorites.
I had a bet today with the Chiefs and the I had the Chiefs and the Eagles combined.

Speaker 1 I had the Eagles and Ravens. So I scrambled back in real life a little.
But the two games that I had wrong were the Lions and the Ravens.

Speaker 1 I'm not even positive I had them wrong because of just what you said. It's like turnovers.
Okay.

Speaker 1 The one that we always talk about like nine out of 10 times you can kind of have a feel for a football game. And then that 10th time is the wonk game.

Speaker 1 This game felt wonky, but that's the thing. It's 12 degrees and it's in Buffalo.
And that's why so many people pick Buffalo. It's like Josh Allen home.
They're used to this weather.

Speaker 1 And that was it. But man,

Speaker 1 I thought the Ravens were the best team in the league. I really did.
I thought they were the best. And they're going home before round three.
Yeah. I mean, Derrick Henry's great.

Speaker 1 He was the steal of free agency, but I was looking at this line and I was like, he has just as many games under 100 yards than he has over.

Speaker 1 They're a little bit fraudulent in the four teams they beat over the last month. The offenses they played, like Pittsburgh twice.
Uh, who was it?

Speaker 1 The Browns and the Texans on that dumb Christmas game where they scored two. So I don't know.
I was like, maybe they could figure Henry out, and they didn't.

Speaker 1 I know he had those big drives, and it'll end up with decent numbers, but they held him to like 26 yards, I think, in the first half. And that was good enough to have that lead.
Was it 21-10? Yeah.

Speaker 1 They held on to that. That was huge.
And getting the ball at the top of the third quarter. Yeah, they, Henry and Hill combined were 22 for 134.
Lamar was six for 39 just for rushing. Right.

Speaker 1 But they were doing most of the stuff they wanted to do on offense. The first Lamar pick was egregious.
The fumble was stupid. And then the Andrews fumble, they were driving.

Speaker 1 It felt like, you know, it felt like they had at least.

Speaker 1 I should have written this down, but it felt like they had at least four like 25-yard pass plays. Right.
They had at least, I'm going to say four or five runs of 10 to 20 20 yards, but between him.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I'm like, holy shit, we're the Bills. We never win games like this.
This is a fucking miracle.

Speaker 1 This is usually if you bring in the Buffalo Bills history, it's, you know, Andrews fumbles that two-point, but then he holds on to it. OT, coin flip.
Baltimore wins it. They go down.

Speaker 1 They win the game. Or against the playoffs.
You have to come back the other way. Yeah, it's something.
They win an OT. It's like, oh, my God.

Speaker 1 I mean, when Tyler Bass hit that long field goal, even then, I was like, oh, that's unusual for Buffalo. So maybe the vibes are, maybe the vibes are shifting for them.
This was your Super Bowl pick.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, I had them with the Lions. So I feel like it's already a bust.
But yeah, I mean, like I said,

Speaker 1 I thought they were undervalued in this game, and maybe they weren't the better team. But the Ravens took too long to get going.
And those turnovers

Speaker 1 absolutely killed them. Yeah, so they had that first great TD drive.
They had the pick, they had the fumble.

Speaker 1 They had the first and goal from the two when they, just for whatever reason, just went backwards and ended up getting a field goal instead of a touchdown.

Speaker 1 They had that third and 12 from Buffalo 29 in the third quarter when they were down 11 and they just get a delay a game. Now it's third and 17.

Speaker 1 They kick a field goal instead. But it was a lot of like little Ravens stuff that usually if they lose a game like this, it's the stuff that happens.

Speaker 1 It's the reason they had the five losses during this season when you could look at all five and be like, I'm not sure they should have lost that game. But that's, that's who they are.

Speaker 1 I felt like with the two tight ends, with the way they could run the ball, and with the way Lamar could just kind of take off and scramble, they were, they seemed kind of unstoppable, and they could just kind of never keep it going for more than five minutes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you didn't see that Lamar gigantic scramble in the second half or like the fourth quarter, right?

Speaker 1 I mean, that was that was there for them in the first half when Henry wasn't really doing it on the ground.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, they just even like that big kick return at the end, they get it to the 35, 33 holding penalty. Now they're starting at the 12, Right.
You know, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 Obviously, we've never played football at the highest possible level in 12-degree weather.

Speaker 1 I don't know how to factor that in. I know.
Like I said, it's not fun, and it's not highbrow Warren Sharp type analysis saying it's too cold for these guys. But I think a lot of it is that.

Speaker 1 It made for great viewing, right? That was fun. We watched the Rams, Eagles together in the snow.
We just got two games were excellent.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I even thought Chiefs, Texans was pretty good. So the ravens heading into this game since 2018 including the playoffs were 0-9 when they were trolling by 10 plus points at halftime

Speaker 1 and now they're 0-10. And the only other team that has win list during that span

Speaker 1 is the Oakland, L.A., Vegas Raiders, 0-26.

Speaker 1 Wow. So

Speaker 1 no comebacks, 10-plus.

Speaker 1 And I guess that's the Lamar, right, 2018 on. And yet, I thought they were going to win.
And I felt like it was going to happen.

Speaker 1 And especially when you made that improv play on the final drive to Wallace, when he ran out, bought some time, hit him over the middle. I was like, okay, Lamar, here we go.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wallace? I forgot he was on the wow. That's the biggest catch of the game.
But yeah, I think you're right. And I thought you were going to go after Harbaugh a little there.

Speaker 1 It's like, that is a little weird for a coach who's held in such high regard to now be double-digits losses with down 10 at the break.

Speaker 1 Their last Super Bowl win was deer antler Ray Lewis season, right? So that was

Speaker 1 nine years ago. 11 years ago, 10 years ago, the Super New Orleans.
The Blackout. Yeah.
14, 15. I was at Grantland and you were working for doing stuff for Grantland.
So

Speaker 1 10, 11 years ago. Yeah.
House and I are doing the anniversary of House Heats 3. That's when it was, right? It was in New Orleans.

Speaker 1 What do you mean you're doing the anniversary of House Heats 3? You're going to try to throw up that house?

Speaker 1 I'm going to try. It's happening.
It's happening this time.

Speaker 1 Well, so I don't know where Lamar ends up now because he's definitely not on that Carl Malone level, but he also really needs one of these games. And it felt like he was finally going to get it.

Speaker 1 And there's this whole alternate universe where Mark Andrews just holds on to that one. And we move into this whole other sliding doors of more Buffalo pain.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 And now we have this Bills Chiefs game, which we'll talk about when we do guest the Lions. But

Speaker 1 the Chiefs, this all somehow worked out. I feel the best for them out of anybody, right? Son of a bitch.
There's four teams left.

Speaker 1 I feel the best about the Chiefs, the team that we kind of looked at side-eyed

Speaker 1 side-eyed for 12 weeks, wondering what the hell was going on with them. And now I like them the most.
And we still will.

Speaker 1 And we'll spend the next six days trying to convince ourselves: all right, the Bills can win this. Yeah, the Bills are going to win this going away.
But yeah,

Speaker 1 they are just too hard to beat. And I know everyone wants to take the refs.
And

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't know what to say.
Like, I, you know, I have a friend, Harry, you know, and he he is just so ridiculous with these refs.

Speaker 1 And he'll like bring a petition in front of Arrowhead Stadium because he thinks it's so fixed for the Chiefs. I was like, just shut up already.
And then I watched this game.

Speaker 1 I'm like, those are some bad calls. I still don't think the Texans played well enough to win.
Yeah. I was like, my God, that's three or four bad calls.
And they need to do something.

Speaker 1 They're these keep a drive alive calls, which is. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like that Will Anderson allegedly hitting Mahomes in the head or whatever that play was when he didn't, which feels like if we're going to review everything in the NBA and not nearly enough in the NFL, it feels like there's some sort of middle ground where they could look at that again and go, oh, yeah, he didn't hit Mahomes.

Speaker 1 Listen, they review touchdowns, right? They review turnovers. A 15-yard penalty, the way these guys are kicking the ball from 55, 58 yards, it almost always puts you in field goal range.

Speaker 1 So it is a scoring play, essentially. I'll say that.
And the other thing I'll say is Mahomes, like he's such a master of taking a late hit or maybe not a late hit.

Speaker 1 First of all, when he turns into the hash mark and takes a hit, that looked like a Madden glitch there. So if he's getting away with that, that's terrible.

Speaker 1 But the sideline crap where he's just falling over, it's like, remember like Segal, Stephen Segal, like 15 years ago, they'd show these highlights have been him doing the bullshit Aikido or whatever it is.

Speaker 1 And he's barely touching people. He's painted in goatee.
Yeah. And they're doing cartwheels like they were hit by a snowplow.
Like that's what Mahomes is doing on the sideline.

Speaker 1 Like they got to, I think they need to call flopping too now, like they do in the NBA in soccer.

Speaker 1 I can't believe I'm about to say this because I hate it in basketball and I hate it in soccer, but I really hate it in basketball.

Speaker 1 Like when, especially during the glory days of this with Hardin and Trey Young and some of these people, I just hated it. I kind of enjoy when Mahomes does it.
Because he's turned it.

Speaker 1 He's turned it into some art form that we didn't know existed.

Speaker 1 That thing, that one play when he was running out of bounds and he had the guy behind him and he slowed down like he was trying to get a call on a three-point shot.

Speaker 1 I've never seen a quarterback do that before.

Speaker 1 Like the fact that he is so locked in on the situations at all times, or when he does the quick slides as the guy is starting to dive, hoping to get a hit to the head.

Speaker 1 He's exploited these rules that were, you know, intended to protect all quarterbacks, including him. And he's taken it and he's turned it against the defense in this really creative way.

Speaker 1 I got to respect it. I guess so.
I respect it. Like, I respect the art form.
There are people who like diarrhea on a canvas and be like, hey,

Speaker 1 300 grand for this. Like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 It's kind of shit. It's like those people that they do the clear magic marker on their license plate so that the

Speaker 1 speeding cameras can't catch it. It's like, I got to respect it.
It's pretty ingenious. All right.
He has like five tricks like that. But

Speaker 1 here's the thing. And I was on multiple texts this weekend and I go nuts when people say this.

Speaker 1 And we were together for the first game and somebody said it when we were all together this whole thing that he's inherited the Tom Brady Patriots getting

Speaker 1 this drives me crazy this drives me crazy I'm gonna keep saying I was there for all those Patriot games short of the tuck roll which was by the way interpreted correctly but um we we are the only team where The team was,

Speaker 1 we had a deflate gate, fake controversy as we were trying to win a Super Bowl. And then we won the Super Bowl.
And then they suspended our quarterback way later anyway, and there's still no evidence.

Speaker 1 Like everything has been debunked. We had a four-game suspension.
It's like, I'm positive that hasn't happened to Patrick Mahomes yet. So everybody's settled.
That part's right.

Speaker 1 Can both be right that he was like babied as a quarterback on some of these late hits.

Speaker 1 So was Peyton Manning. So was Aaron Rodgers.
What star quarterback wasn't babied?

Speaker 1 I'm mostly with you because I don't think these two are not.

Speaker 1 Brady was whiny. I will fully admit that he would get whiny and he would turn and he would yell at the rest, but Peyton Manning did too.
Both of them did.

Speaker 1 Wasn't like it was just, just, it wasn't like Brady was the only one. Well, maybe Lamar Jackson should, maybe they should teach a course and Lamar Jackson should pick it up.

Speaker 1 And Jared Goff should pick up the same thing. I don't know.

Speaker 1 I'm in a defending Brady mode because even like his announcing, which has not been great, I'll be the first one to admit.

Speaker 1 And I know we've talked about it, but he does have moments of insight during the game. I should hope so.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 For 37 billion a year.

Speaker 1 But there are moments like he caught the 12 men on the field. I've never seen an announcer catch that before.

Speaker 1 That's nice.

Speaker 1 He had, I thought, when Goff threw that interception on the post-pass, the deep one, and Brady was explaining like it actually was the right throw, but he should have led him right to left because he threw it straight.

Speaker 1 He loved it. The cornerbacks love cutting that pass.
And I was like, okay, here we go, Tom Brady. And it's no terrible ball.

Speaker 1 And then it's five more minutes of him just talking about big play, got to get this. And you know, like, ah, god damn it.

Speaker 1 But I blame Burkhardt as much as Brady because I don't think Burkhardt sets him up enough. Oh, I think he was helping, doing all he could in the beginning, but I don't know.
It's fine. It's fine.

Speaker 1 I was like, he's no Collinsworth.

Speaker 1 He's no Collinsworth. Bill, how are you going to be as good as me? There's just no way.

Speaker 1 They were going to go through the back door, Mike, and now they're going through the front door. The Rams might take this, Mike.
Mike, my balls are so frostbitten.

Speaker 1 I don't think I'm going to feel them until March, to be honest. Mike, I lost consciousness five minutes ago, Mike.

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Chiefs, Texans, we'll go backwards.

Speaker 1 I'd like kudos to ESPN.

Speaker 1 First network ever to play In the Air Tonight by Phil Collins before a sporting event. Nobody ever thought of it.

Speaker 1 They should try Pressure by David Bowie the next time or Queen. That would be good.
Billy Joel's pressure. Yeah.
Or Billy Joel's pressure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 There's songs I'm just good with now. Songs that we like, that we've grown up with, that should just be banned from sports now.

Speaker 1 And I feel like I've been doing this for 10 years, but we're really at a crisis point. In the air tonight, pressure.
There's a couple, anything from pre-89, just get it out. Let's go.

Speaker 1 Let's move to music from the last 35 years. We can do it.
I'm positive. Let's go.
There's been a lot of good music. It makes me feel good.
I just,

Speaker 1 if I have to pretend to be bopping along the Jay-Z while they, you know, while they show highlights going into half-hours. Jay-Z would be great.
That's the last 35 years.

Speaker 1 It's fine, but it's not pressure. It's not any of the pressures.

Speaker 1 In the air tonight. I can't.
I honestly cannot believe we're still playing that first part of of the game.

Speaker 1 They just do the drum solo after every play. So that Chiefs-Texans game starts with a long special teams play, followed by the Texans guy has like a meltdown,

Speaker 1 throws his helmet down, shoves his coach, and the game is barely started. And the Chiefs go three and out and it's three, nothing.
And then the Texans go back and it's tied at three.

Speaker 1 And it's just like, what? This is the weirdest game I've ever watched. But the Texans hung around.

Speaker 1 I don't know if they actually should have won the game, but the game was, I think, closer than all of us thought. Their defense was good.

Speaker 1 Um, ultimately, I was never in real fear for the Chiefs, were you?

Speaker 1 No, I wasn't at all. And I thought CJ Stroud was better than I thought.
Like, I thought, remember his second playoff game last year? He went to Baltimore and got destroyed.

Speaker 1 And this, yeah, he was making plays with his legs. Like, it was, that's not really his game, what he was doing.
And, you know, he's hitting, he was hitting, you know, his receivers. And I don't know.

Speaker 1 They stuck around.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 it was like a 10-minute drive, that touchdown from Mixon. That was huge.

Speaker 1 Receivers that we'd never heard of all year were making, actually. We're like, that's his first pass attempt that's ever been thrown to him.
It's round two.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So I don't even know where we are with C.J.
Stroud anymore, to be honest. I feel like that's just the guy you and I are going to flip-flop over the next seven years a dozen times.

Speaker 1 But he did an admirable job.

Speaker 1 About as much as the Lions makers thought because it came down to that very half a point.

Speaker 1 but um i mean i are the chiefs just playing a joke is it like just like a clubhouse joke like hey we had 212 total yards uh can we win with 100 total yards spags right map it out what let's see you got us we're good okay i i just feel like it's just a challenge for them to do so little and win i know but it's like what we were talking about earlier with that baltimore buffalo game like they don't beat themselves Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 Houston had that play. It was a fourth and 10 in the second half.
And they kind of rushed it to the line. And who was the announcer? It was Aikman.
Yeah, it was Aikman. He's like, I don't like this.

Speaker 1 They should call timeout.

Speaker 1 They were just going too fast. Fourth and 10.
I think he got sacked. It's like it's the little things you just can't do against the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 And then the other thing is January Kelsey, who's just a different human being than regular season Kelsey, who they put in the garage with that car tarp over him.

Speaker 1 You know, and they're just like, maybe take it out for a spin on Sundays for 10 minutes. But in the playoffs, they actually use him

Speaker 1 uh their offense just felt a little more and yet it looks like he's attending an old-timers game he looks so slow compared to everyone else out he looks like it's a snowy field even though it's not it looks like he's got the snowfield cleats on he's so open he's got like 20 yards around him aikman's good because i really feel like he's um i don't know should we give awards for like come come back announcer of the year comeback of the decade yeah it's been the last really since romo got attention he's aikman took it up a notch and it's because he's angry you're like oh yeah he and buck do do a good job going after the refs.

Speaker 1 And obviously, they had the perfect game to do it for this. But Angry Aikman is just terrific.
I mean, they must have, I don't remember a comeback like this.

Speaker 1 I don't know what they do before the game to get him so horny, but good job.

Speaker 1 That was the best team this year, I think, right?

Speaker 1 That was my favorite. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They're very good. Yeah, they're very good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I do like Greg Olson, though, I will say. I think

Speaker 1 I don't even want to say he's underrated because I think he's getting a good pop lately. Houston special teams, that was another thing.
It was a three-hour murder for them.

Speaker 1 That was another reason they lost.

Speaker 1 You know, missed field goals, missed extra point,

Speaker 1 kick return, all kinds of shit.

Speaker 1 They just weren't ready to win that game in KC. We got a lot of Taylor Swift shots.
Shout out to Tommy Alter in the background. I don't know if you saw him a couple of times.
Oh, nice.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Caitlin Clark, all the greats.

Speaker 1 Yeah, when you have Taylor, Caitlin, and the freaking Rizzler there and the refs, forget it. Game over.
Rizzler.

Speaker 1 And then the safety.

Speaker 1 So this had one of the great gambling moments, I think, of the decade. Yeah.
And this has been a cottage industry now because of Instagram reels and TikTok.

Speaker 1 I don't know how long we've been talking about these stupid.

Speaker 1 This was beyond a bad beat. This was 14 seconds left.
I still don't know what the point of the safety was. I guess to chew off.
So basically, he runs, Araza runs backwards, runs around.

Speaker 1 It really really feels like he's going to get like stripped or it's going to be like a touchdown in the end zone or something horrible. Then he gets out and then they punt again.

Speaker 1 So I guess it saves seven seconds. And I guess my question is, was that worth it?

Speaker 1 All the things that could go wrong with your punter running around backwards in cold weather. Like

Speaker 1 I'm positive I would just rather punt it and get rid of the ball and you can have the extra seven seconds. Depends who you bet.

Speaker 1 So I feel like nobody deserved to win this bet against the spread, right? Because they're up. They're up.

Speaker 1 What were they up? They were up 11, the Chiefs, and Fairbourn tries a gimme field goal and misses. So now the Texans, you have the Texans.
You're like, that sucks.

Speaker 1 They should have lost by eight, right? But then, all right, so now,

Speaker 1 depending on what you got, an eight and a half or nine. I think the reason they did that is because the only thing that would have killed them is a black, a block punt.

Speaker 1 And then it wouldn't have killed them because they still needed to score.

Speaker 1 How many block punts are you if you're actually like trying not to get your punt blocked? I don't know. It felt like an overthink.

Speaker 1 It was a little much. So the other thing was the line was eight and a half all week.

Speaker 1 When we were doing Ringer Sunday pregame show on Saturday, it was eight and a half before you guys started the show. And then as the game got closer, it jumped to nine and a half.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 people got that Chiefs line somewhere around those two numbers, and then it ended at nine. I feel like I should get an emergency alert on my phone if it goes, if it moves to nine.

Speaker 1 It does feel like there should, that should be a Twitter account or a

Speaker 1 merchant. We've gotten so many of them lately.
What the hell?

Speaker 1 Well, so that was ultimately good for FanDuel?

Speaker 1 That was bad for that was bad for the books because you could have gotten eight and a half with the cheapest. So if you're betting Casey up, you win.
And if you bet Texans nine and a half, you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I never understood. I never

Speaker 1 got screwed by that point. So everybody was saying, oh, it's rigged for the books and everything.
No, that's not the example you want to use. They lost both ways.

Speaker 1 But I'm trying to think in general if they lost money. Like you and I are idiots because we don't know what

Speaker 1 the Washington,

Speaker 1 they cleaned up. That Washington game made their playoffs.

Speaker 1 You think it did? Because oh my God, yeah.

Speaker 1 It wasn't just the game. It was all the Lions bets.
It was the Lions to win the NFC. It was the Lions Super Bowl bets.
They were like really badly exposed with the Lions.

Speaker 1 And then on top of it, everybody and their brother, including us, had some sort of tease with... the Lions, the Eagles, the Chiefs, Ohio State, whatever.
The Lions were in a lot of them.

Speaker 1 But kids the kids love the same-game parlays and you couldn't you couldn't miss with a same game parlay or the game that had how many points 76 i don't know it's just all over all over the kids really do love the same game parlays does harrison like the same game parlays is he wanted to fit i think he's too young yes i got scared too young six six six months from now when he turns 11 maybe he can do them by the spring no i think washton made Fando a lot of money.

Speaker 1 All right. I think there were a lot of futures that could have been pretty bad because there was a moment, and we had some Lions bets.

Speaker 1 They were somehow undervalued, even though they were clearly the best team on paper in the NFC.

Speaker 1 That doubled up. They were even to win the conference before Saturday.
I was like, that's ridiculous. They'll take care of the commanders and then they'll beat up whoever,

Speaker 1 especially if the Eagles come to town, but not meant to be. I'm going to go on the record.

Speaker 1 I just blanket hate the safety running around to kill time to send it from 13 to 11 or whatever 11 to 9 i'm just out i don't like that play yeah i don't trust safeties i don't trust kickers i don't trust any special teams like guys running around and all of a sudden he like gets

Speaker 1 and all of a sudden the ball's rolling around the end zone i just i'm not taking the risk i'm with you and this is where we should have bet insurance better's insurance right yeah

Speaker 1 but yeah also yeah if the if you're receiving the punt in the end zone maybe but don't run back uh a quarter of a mile right run out of the end zone stupid yeah there's a couple things maybe i've just been watching football too much for too many weeks in a row but i can't watch another fair catch in the five-yard line uh i just can't or the fair catch in the seven i can't watch the guy punting on the other teams 40 somehow punting it out of bounds anyway it just seems like Anyone we know should be able to just punt like a little dribbler 25 yards that rolls out in the 10.

Speaker 1 It just doesn't seem that hard.

Speaker 1 The holding on the kickoff, I just like, I would tell everyone on my team, like that guy today in the Ravens who gets the hold where he's just bear hugging the dude from behind. Right.

Speaker 1 It's just an automatic, you're waved at this hat. If you hold on and kickoff, you're waved.
Your job, I'm taking your job.

Speaker 1 Most of those guys, that's all they do is they're on the kick return or the punt return team. So just don't hold.
You have one job. Don't hold anyone.
That's it. Don't hold anybody on the other team.

Speaker 1 With the punt return, that was like forever when we were growing up. It was like, all right, stand at the seven.
If you have to take one step back, let it go over your head. That seemed to work out.

Speaker 1 I don't know why they changed that.

Speaker 1 What's the new edict? I don't get it either. Well, this was a great weekend for the Chiefs because

Speaker 1 I think the Ravens would have been a much tougher opponent for them than the Bills. I also think

Speaker 1 they'll probably not say this publicly, but I think there's a lot more animosity with Buffalo than maybe Baltimore. I think that Buffalo Chiefs thing is a real thing.

Speaker 1 And I just like the Chiefs. I can't wait to do guest launchers out there.
They big brother the Bills, I think. They're like, yeah, we don't even care that you beat us in the regular season.

Speaker 1 Come on, let's play again. We get it when it counts.
It's very similar to the Pats Colts dynamic that didn't really totally shift until the 2006 AFC title game. Right.
So

Speaker 1 maybe that'll be

Speaker 1 the Bills version of that. Maybe they will be the Indy, but the problem is the game's in KC.
All right. Next one.
We'll go Eagles Rams.

Speaker 1 We'll save the Lions game for last because that's going to be really fun to talk about. It'll be hurtful.

Speaker 1 I always think with Eagles Rams,

Speaker 1 this is like the perfect Eagles win for the Eagles fans that we know in our lives.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Kind of ugly. They had the game.
They kind of fucked it up in the last four minutes. Siri hunting hurts.
Still a lot of question marks.

Speaker 1 It was a win, but it also was kind of like you escape by the skin of your teeth. And then the only thing everyone can agree on is that Saquon Barkley is like the greatest Eagle of all time.

Speaker 1 And they all love Saquon Barkley. And he had another like magical game.
It was basically like an AI spitting out an Eagles win in round two of the playoffs was how I thought. That's excellent.

Speaker 1 And I think you're right, because the most important thing for Eagles fans is that they get, they're angry at their team.

Speaker 1 And because they, they let up the last touchdown and almost another one that would have lost the game. They could still be angry at the team, but they get to watch them play another game.

Speaker 1 They get another one, but they get say, Oh, I forgot Jake Elliott. That's another one.
Jake Elliott missed the two extra points, but made some big field goals.

Speaker 1 But they could be mad at him, they could be mad at some of the strategy. It was perfect.
Uh,

Speaker 1 Hurts,

Speaker 1 strange one. He had the long touchdown drive.

Speaker 1 He ends up, he throws for 128 yards. Last week, he threw for 131, so he's still

Speaker 1 41 yards away from a 300-yard game that's going to have to take him three days, three games. Yeah.
He has four playoff wins. Let me just add to that while I have it here.

Speaker 1 Four playoff wins, career high passing in those games, 156.

Speaker 1 So weird. I don't completely trust him when I watch him.

Speaker 1 We both had the Eagles in the T's, but they were also six and a half. They somehow not cover, but I never feel 100% comfortable

Speaker 1 with him. And then the A.J.
Brown is another one. Like he had another huge drop.
Right. And he ends up, he had like a touchdown and screwed it up.
So they've been getting nothing out of him.

Speaker 1 I don't remember how many things Devontae Smith did in that game. Goddard seemed like he was like the most reliable receiver, but I felt the tight end.

Speaker 1 And every game should have been hit more, right? Except for maybe Andrews at the end. But Goddard, Ertz did an amazing job.
We'll talk about that in a minute.

Speaker 1 But yeah, and then, you know, the big moment for me with Hertz is like, what the hell? You not getting rid of that ball. Another safety that didn't make any sense.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Well, and they fucked up the end of the second quarter, too. That was another one.
They're up three, driving. All of a sudden, they're going backwards.

Speaker 1 Then they're just letting the clock run out because he took a sack. He took another bad sack for that safety.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I, Washington's a live dog to me. Like with like they're, they're the classic playing with house money, a lot of momentum.
They're really good on offense. They're definitely not afraid of the Eagles.

Speaker 1 They beat them last year when they sucked. Yeah.
You know,

Speaker 1 beat them this year, beat them last year.

Speaker 1 That's going to be a fun one. I, you know, all of a sudden,

Speaker 1 it's okay rooting for the Cowboys. We were easily in the best division in football.
Like, if you had to repower rank everybody, Cowboys would be like fifth or something in football in the NFL.

Speaker 1 I was going to say, if I told you in late August two NFC's teams will be playing to make the Super Bowl the third weekend in January,

Speaker 1 you'd have been so pumped. Yeah, that's not a sound.
You're like, this is amazing.

Speaker 1 I can't believe we're going to be, we're one win away from the Super Bowl. We're playing the Giants? How did this work out? Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was two teams and it was like, then the other two choices were the commanders or the giants. Right.
You wouldn't have ever thought. We both like the commanders.
We went over on them.

Speaker 1 I mean, they have 14 wins. I had them to make the playoffs, but I did not think they'd have 14 wins.
But it is interesting how that became the division, right?

Speaker 1 And the NFC North was, I keep comparing it to the SEC, who has no participants in tomorrow night's game.

Speaker 1 Just awful. I think they went to the 2020.
29-4 outside of division and then just got murdered in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think we did a podcast segment probably four weeks ago where we were wondering if they had the three best teams. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, they didn't. They don't.
We don't have to worry about it. Fast forward to the end of the movie.
They did not. There was a cold weather element to the Seagles game, too, with

Speaker 1 the toughness, the Rams.

Speaker 1 Nakua had a huge drop. Kyron Williams had the fumble.
Stafford had the fumble.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 and we live in LA. We've talked to, we talk about this a lot on the pod about how we're both from the East Coast.
I was a guy that was always like,

Speaker 1 I wouldn't throw a coat on when it was 20 degrees outside unless I really had to. The windshield was bad.
Lived out here for three years. And then when I go back east, I'm fucking freezing every time.

Speaker 1 You're blind. And I get it.
When the Rams go to Philly, it's like, I get why Nakua probably, you know, like passed this through his hands. You're just, it's hard to get used to.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there was one indoor game. The other three, I would say this clearly gave one of the teams, the home team, the advantage, the weather, right? The cold weather and the slipping all over.

Speaker 1 And you just knew Barkley was going to break one of every three or four runs. He's just crazy.
I don't know if he was going to slide short of a touchdown, which he likes to do, but

Speaker 1 it's incredible what he

Speaker 1 put himself through and everybody else. Yeah, Schrieger asked me during the game.
He texted me, do you think...

Speaker 1 Is this a good way to decide a playoff matchup where the weather comes in and you have a situation like that Eagles-Rams game today. And to me, 100%, yes.
Yeah. It's such a huge part of football.

Speaker 1 I even think back to like that Chargers-Bengals game when we were kids in 1980. And that I love that Chargers team.

Speaker 1 And then they go to Cincy and it was like minus 230 degrees and the Bengals just beat them. But it's like, that's why you play for home field advantage.

Speaker 1 Like you want, you know, you want people to come to your house.

Speaker 1 And especially if it's like a team like Miami last year playing in, were they Buffalo or KC, Kansas City? Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's just part of football. I love it.
So you like it too, right? I love it too.

Speaker 1 I have some buddies that, you know, like you're just like, nah, this is just, we're not seeing the best of every team if they're playing with a shiny K-ball that they can't hold on to.

Speaker 1 I don't like the home field advantage. Am I a hypocrite to say I don't like it in the Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 I didn't like it when Denver played Seattle and it just looked like, oh, this is going to be a shit fest.

Speaker 1 Put those in a warm weather climate, but I like everything leading up. Yeah, I think that's the right take.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because I remember the one of the years when we beat the Colts, I say we talk about the Patriots like I was on the team.

Speaker 1 There was one like super, it was the, it was the one when the fans were chanting cut that, cut that meat at Peyton Manning because he had the cut that meat commercial. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And it was just freezing. They scored three points and it was like a combo of our defense plus like just how cold it was.
And it was like, that's why we won. It was really, that was it.

Speaker 1 The cold weather has been a big advantage for the Pats over the years. I think Buffalo's won a couple of the Chiefs, definitely, but I like it.

Speaker 1 I guess John Justremski would have a different answer. It depends who you root for, right? If you're a Dollar School.
That's true. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Or Dome team. To me, if you're a historian and you love NFL films and you love watching that and just like, there's nothing better than, you know, guys grinding it out.
Well, because sometimes.

Speaker 1 It'll be two cold weather teams in bad weather, and those are usually great too. Like the Packers, what was that? Packers Giants, 08.
Packers, Giants, freezing. It was like one degree.

Speaker 1 And, you know, but at least the Giants were used to it. I didn't, did not feel like the Rams were that used to it today.
Really good Rams here.

Speaker 1 And, you know, not only did they make the final eight, it felt like

Speaker 1 they were pretty close

Speaker 1 in that game. And it was very similar to the Baltimore thing where it's just they made some dumb turnovers.
Philly had a couple of dumb plays.

Speaker 1 on their own end, but not as dumb as. We almost had a seven versus six in the NFC championship, right? Like the Rams almost had a home game.

Speaker 1 It would have been nuts to think a month ago. But yeah, I'm proud of that team and they did a nice job.

Speaker 1 Can I give a shout out to Jack Wilson, the producer of

Speaker 1 the Ringer Sunday pregame show? Okay.

Speaker 1 Text from Jack Wilson, 12.30

Speaker 1 Pacific time.

Speaker 1 This is when the Rams are looking good in the Eagles game. It's like first quarter.
The Rams are moving the ball. Text me.
If the Rams win and House comes to L.A.

Speaker 1 next weekend, do we want to bring JJ out too? Since Raheem is in Vegas, that's easy because then we could all do the show in L.A. Great.
It wasn't even the end of the first quarter yet.

Speaker 1 So I just sent him back. Jinx text.
Yeah. And then

Speaker 1 Jack texts me back, shit. Sorry.
Don't tell House.

Speaker 1 Well, House is finding out right now. House is all right.
House is going to play either way next week. It's the Rams fans.

Speaker 1 And you know what? Let's give Jack Wilson's phone number on here.

Speaker 1 Let's give it to you.

Speaker 1 We'll give it at the end of the show. No, House is happy because he just, now that's a short ride to

Speaker 1 Philly. I talked to House today actually before the Philly game.

Speaker 1 He's

Speaker 1 obviously out of his mind, but we were talking about how crazy it would be if it was a Baltimore, Washington

Speaker 1 Super Bowl, have two teams. Right.
located closer to each other ever played in a Super Bowl. And we were like, this has to, like, it's never been a New York, New York.

Speaker 1 Jets versus like, no, that's never happened.

Speaker 1 And I, that, it was almost like too weird. So the gods decided, yeah, this isn't happening.
Yeah. Wait, there is no answer, right? The answer, it's, I don't think so.
You'll have some Midwest.

Speaker 1 Wait, are you trying to Tampa? I don't think it's ever.

Speaker 1 I don't think it's ever happened. All right.

Speaker 1 Yeah. House is,

Speaker 1 he's not going to Philly, is he? Oh, yeah. He's going.
He's going to go? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 They have to be on their best behavior now, the Eagles fans, because they're all recorded and they're going going to lose their jobs if they curse or do anything.

Speaker 1 I feel like they're going to keep. It's all fine now.
Let's take another break for the pod, and then we will talk about Washington and the Lions.

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Speaker 1 Washington Lions, game of the weekend,

Speaker 1 possible game of the year, certainly the most dramatic.

Speaker 1 I was at.

Speaker 1 I went to UFC last night and I was just like, I'm going to watch this game when I get home. But I was kind of of checking my phone.
And every time I checked my phone, the score was different.

Speaker 1 It was one of those games. But

Speaker 1 this will be my first question for you.

Speaker 1 Is this it for the Lions? Was this their window these two years?

Speaker 1 Can they get back? Is it ever going to get better than this for them?

Speaker 1 That's like seven questions. My God.
Yes. Well, it's all the same question.
They'll get back. Yeah.
No.

Speaker 1 I know what you're saying.

Speaker 1 I think Campbell's good. I think their offense is excellent.
I think that defense was decimated. I think after a while, you just can't.
They lose three more defensive players during the game.

Speaker 1 The cornerback goes out immediately. You just can't put bodies in eventually.

Speaker 1 I don't want to take anything away from Jaden Daniels because I want to make a case for him being the best rookie postseason quarterback we've ever seen.

Speaker 1 But that said, for God's sakes, how many guys have to go down, right? And I don't know. Counter,

Speaker 1 I don't know that the vision is so tough after all. I don't think he's going to see Minnesota with 14 wins again.
So I think they can come back. Go ahead, Counter.

Speaker 1 I don't think their defense was why they lost the game.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 I'll just read you some plays. 45 is a lot of points.
Do you don't think so? Third and one. They're up 7-3 in the Washington 25.

Speaker 1 They're passing for some reason, and Goff gets drip-sacked over and over again.

Speaker 1 Remember the first month of the season when the Lions didn't start out well? Yeah. And they were throwing the ball a ton?

Speaker 1 And we were talking about them on the pod, and I was saying, I'm still in on the Lions. I just think they're a running team that for some reason is trying to air it out.

Speaker 1 I think they need to flip the seesaw and become like a pound-the-ball running team. They went back to the old first month of the season, Lions.
Again, they threw the ball over 40 times.

Speaker 1 Gibbs touched it 20 times total.

Speaker 1 He was every time he touched the ball, it was 10 yards. It barely seemed like he had it.
So that play was terrible. That play, he wasn't even in on that play.
It's an empty backfield on third and one.

Speaker 1 And you got Gibbs. I think at the time he was averaging 19 yards a touch.
And he's not even, I don't even know. Keep him in the game.
He should be in the game on every third and short.

Speaker 1 Yeah, as a decoy. But that's that play.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You have Goff sailing the pick six.

Speaker 1 And if you freeze it, his receiver is in the middle of four guys. He's surrounded by like a gang of players.
There was really, it would have had to have been the all-time perfect throw.

Speaker 1 He sails it, pick six, almost gets concussed.

Speaker 1 He throws that. End of the pick at the end of the second quarter on the post-play where the guy's open.
He throws it to the wrong side.

Speaker 1 And then the Jamison Williams, that option pass with the receiver, it's the biggest series of the game. It's 38-28.
You have to score. You still have the whole fourth quarter, basically.

Speaker 1 You have to get three or seven.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 they put the entire game in the hands of a receiver who never throws. And of course, he makes a dumb decision.
It's not that it's like, oh, he shouldn't have thrown it.

Speaker 1 You shouldn't put him in the position to throw it. That was a classic Ben Johnson.
Just like, look at me. Hey, look at me.
Watch these cool plays. It's like, you know what works? Fucking Jameer Gibbs.

Speaker 1 Just give him the ball. Why are you running wide receiver pass plays? Do you think that was a directive to Jamison Williams to just throw it no matter what?

Speaker 1 We don't care if the kid, the guy's triple teamed, or hey, you're the fastest guy on the field. Let's take it outside.
And unless, only if he's wide open, will you throw it?

Speaker 1 I think it's somewhere in between. But the Ben Johnson thing is interesting, right? Like all these coordinators get jobs.

Speaker 1 Unless they're on the Super Bowl-winning team, their last game is almost always terrible, right? Like Shane Steichen. We've seen it.
Like it just almost has to be. And you're right.

Speaker 1 He had like four or five really curious calls, but 45 points, a lot for the other team.

Speaker 1 If you give Harrison a giant package and you park across the street from FedEx, you're like, now cross the street and deliberate. And I want you to, and he fucks it up.

Speaker 1 Is that your fault or Harrison's?

Speaker 1 My wife would probably say it was my fault. Yeah.
Because it's like, here's Jamison Williams. He's rolling out to the right and the guy's not open.
He's not a quarterback.

Speaker 1 It's like, oh my God, I can't believe he made a terrible decision and threw the ball in your head. Yeah, but we see this happens every week in football.

Speaker 1 If I told Harrison, don't cross the street unless you, you, there's not a car visible for a quarter of a mile on your left or right, right? It's a different thing. I don't know what he said.

Speaker 1 You're right. It's dumb that they should have had

Speaker 1 people should have run more. Because if they go up 14-3, that third and one play, they're up 7-3.
Right. They go up 14-3.
That building's bananas. It's a whole different story.
It was already loud.

Speaker 1 And then maybe, maybe, I don't know. Maybe they don't come back, Washington.
Their defense had two fuck-ups. The

Speaker 1 McLaren, the McLaurin, the RPO touchdown, and both guys just, it was like comical how bad the tackling was. Right.
Right. So that was bad.
The fourth and two inside the five, they're down three.

Speaker 1 It's 31-28, and they have 12 men on the field. Inexcusable.
But for the most part, like, I thought Daniels was incredible.

Speaker 1 And to just say, oh, the Lions defense, the Lions came up big a couple of times. Like they came up the first quarter, they were really good.

Speaker 1 The beginning of the third quarter, they stopped him on the first drive to get the ball back.

Speaker 1 Daniels, that like that throw he made to Diami Brown, that 50-yard Russell Wilson moonball where he's covered by two guys and just catches it in stride on fourth and two, like some of the RPO stuff he did, like nobody's stopping that.

Speaker 1 He was great, but I mean, what's going to be your bottom line here? If they give up 60, is that a bad outing? Like, 45 still.

Speaker 1 I just think if they don't turn the ball over, they outscore the commanders and they won't. Daniels was great.
They're zero. Daniels was great.
Didn't turn the ball over once.

Speaker 1 They were pressing the shit out of him. And I bet him to throw an interception.
I'm like, nothing against Jaden Daniels. This is just such a tough spot and such a loud place.

Speaker 1 And if he drops back 35 times, one of them is going to end up in a Lions defender's hands. But he was getting blitz.
He was like waiting, waiting. And he always had a guy.
There was always a guy open.

Speaker 1 He was so smart. And yet, yeah, that 12 men on the field was disastrous.
But I mean, the fourth quarter yardage, the game was up.

Speaker 1 Once it's 38, 28 and Williams throws that pick, the game's over. I'll say this with Daniels.
I said this to House today.

Speaker 1 And we should have the Daniels, how special is combo. Yeah, he's just, he was so good in that game.

Speaker 1 And he had a couple highlight plays, but for the most part, he's just, he's always doing the right thing. He's always calm.
He never turns the ball over. Like, if you compare him to Lamar today,

Speaker 1 you know, I think it's a real conversation is where he ranks on like what playoff QBs would you trust the most? Because

Speaker 1 he's what he did last week against Tampa, what he did in that Detroit game on the road in a dome where it's super loud and he didn't fuck up once for three hours. It's fucking surreal.

Speaker 1 You can't break him at all. Like mentally, he's just on a different level.

Speaker 1 He's smiling. He just is like having a great time.
He's just like, ah, look at this. He's like smarter than Vince Young with all the physical

Speaker 1 comparisons. And I'm trying to think what you do because you can't compare him to any of the other rookie quarterback playoff performances.
He's better than Flacco was.

Speaker 1 We never thought Flacco would like literally. No, I did these on Thursday.
All the guys were pretty good. What is it? Flacco, Purdy, and Sean King.

Speaker 1 Sanchez. Yeah, Sanchez.
Sean King won a game, but only three got to the championship game, I think. I think it was Sancho.
Sean King did too.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, not the championship game.
He did. Yeah, there was five.
I had it. Hold on.
Really? I had it in.

Speaker 1 Big Ben, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Big Ben was the other one.

Speaker 1 All right. No, I think the comparison to me, I think Mahomes is the comparison.
Even though Mahomes, he had like a gap year, his first year on the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 But you'd think like Daniels was in college for five years. Mahomes was in college for three and then had the gap year.
So they're around the same age.

Speaker 1 And then Mahomes goes in that first full year as a starter and he's incredible. And he almost beats the Pats and he almost beats Brady.
I think that's the level it's at.

Speaker 1 And we saw like when we were kids, like Marino.

Speaker 1 As a rookie, he was awesome that first year. And then that second year made the Super Bowl, but, or didn't make the, didn't make the, yeah, he didn't make the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 No, the second one he made, that's when he had like 47, 47 touchdowns. Yeah.
So, yeah.

Speaker 1 But it's on that level already. And it's, it's a weird one because the Pats, I love Drake May, and I'm fine with how it turned out.
But we, it was a big one of.

Speaker 1 There was two months leading up to that draft last year. It was like, is Washington going to take Drake May or Daniels? And who do we want? And every Pats fan, we're all talking about the same thing.

Speaker 1 And it came down. Daniels was three years older.
Well, he was in college for five years. He's going to get hurt.
He's so, he's so skinny. And, you know, he got hurt there in the middle of the year.

Speaker 1 House and I were talking about this today. They kind of threw us off their scent because they played really well for the first like six weeks.
Right. He got hurt.
And then it was pretty rocky.

Speaker 1 And he was clearly hurt for four or five weeks. Then Ecker got hurt.
And they didn't really start to become the team they were in the first month. I don't feel like until that Tampa game.
Right.

Speaker 1 Or maybe like week 18. It's a weird trajectory, right? So you don't want to peek at the wrong time because it's very hard to play great football for 17 weeks, 18 weeks.

Speaker 1 So there was those weeks two to six or whatever where he didn't throw an incomplete pass or some shit. It was really weird, right? It was just dominant.
Then you're right.

Speaker 1 They got had the rib injury and whatever. They weren't as good, but he picked up perfectly.
That Atlanta game, that was only a couple weeks ago on Sunday night.

Speaker 1 If they lose that, that's a whole different, you know, this whole shakes up differently, the seedings and everything. So yeah, or Tampa second and one,

Speaker 1 they get they have a chance to potentially go up four. Second and one gets tough.
Third and one, they screw up. It's the snapped at the wrong time.
All of a sudden, they're kicking a field goal.

Speaker 1 And they never get the ball. You know, I'm sure Tampa is like, we should have beaten these guys.
Now they're in the fucking NFC title game. This sucks.

Speaker 1 But the last piece with Daniels, I don't want to say, I really wanted to ask you, who would you rather have and have Daniels versus all these veteran quarterbacks we have?

Speaker 1 But we need to see him win a cold weather game before we have a full feel for, you know, like this, at Detroit was a dome. He's going to be going to Philly next week.
It's going to be cold.

Speaker 1 The field's going to be, you know, of fucking concrete. He's going to have this big defensive line.

Speaker 1 And if like he's, if he's as good as he was in Detroit in that scenario, I don't know what the ceiling is at that point. No question about it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 The Eagles are praying for weather conditions like today, right? Right. Even have the game moved to somewhere like Anchorage, Alaska or something.
Because yeah, that's the only key.

Speaker 1 That's the only thing we're missing. And their coaching staff, they did a great job.
They did a great job drafting in the GM and they got the terrible owner out of there, Snyder.

Speaker 1 I feel like Dan Quinn, if you don't ruin his life with the 28-3 game, is Dan Quinn like a top two or three coach in the league?

Speaker 1 It's why it was a good hire, even though we all kind of were like, oh my God, Dan, really? Dan Quinn? You could add Ben Johnson.

Speaker 1 When somebody's had real success the first time they were a coach where you can go back and watch that Super Bowl and

Speaker 1 13 plays in a row have to go well for the Pats for the Falcons not to win the Super Bowl. Yeah, maybe

Speaker 1 entirely his fault. Yeah, yeah, some of it was his fault, but

Speaker 1 he's clearly like a good coach. He was great for you on Dallas.
He was, but that's another example of a guy who his last game was bad and they still hired him away, right? The Packers game was right.

Speaker 1 It was just miserable. So it's funny how it works out.
It's, I mean, I'm not ashamed to admit, I'm on some Pats threads threads where Washington has now become the North star for the Pats,

Speaker 1 where it's like, they sucked last year. They got the second pick.
They had nothing. They get the franchise QB.
They get a good coach. They get a good coaching staff.
They make some smart signings.

Speaker 1 They have a good draft. Some of the guys that were already in the team, they coached up so that they're actually better assets than were a year ago.
They had an easy schedule.

Speaker 1 All these things where it's like, why can't that be the Pats? So thank you, Washington. You've given us hope here with those.

Speaker 1 Football is great. Yeah.
New England. Yeah.
You never know. We don't need six new playoff teams every year.

Speaker 1 But if we get three and one of them's like Washington has a real run at this and almost plays the Rams in the championship game, it's dynamite stuff. I'm going to miss it.

Speaker 1 Well, we talk every year about the circle of teams that have a chance to win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 And then it comes down to these goofy plays like Mark Andrews dropping the two point, like Tampa not getting a first down when it's second and one. And for the, like, what level are you at?

Speaker 1 How can, how close can you be to winning a Super Bowl? I did not have Washington in the circle. Even heading into this Detroit game, I thought the line was too high.

Speaker 1 I never would have played Detroit nine and a half. I kind of like some of the alternate Washington lines.
Like they were plus three and a half. They were plus 190.

Speaker 1 And yet their defense seemed like it was such an overmatch.

Speaker 1 in that lions game. It just, I couldn't figure out how their defense was going to stop them.

Speaker 1 And the answer was Jared Goff has to completely suck.

Speaker 1 That was the one factor I didn't factor in. It's like, what if Jared Goff is just terrible? And he was.

Speaker 1 What if they forget that Gibbs is on the team, despite the fact that he has 19 yards of carry every time.

Speaker 1 What if they have an option pass with their receiver on their biggest drive of the game?

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 and then we also had the Teddy Bridgewater has come into the game moment, which was pretty exciting. Teddy Bridgewater was coaching high school, and all of a sudden it seems like Goff's concussed.

Speaker 1 And anyone who had the Lions and the Ts is like, oh my God, I can't even imagine. I can't imagine what that game was like.
Like, talk about the extremes of like, if you're a Lions fan

Speaker 1 and you're like, you're in there with the Bills and the Vikings and all these tortured franchises, but you also don't really have any terrible playoff losses because you've just been terrible.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? I've lost this to point in. Right.
Right. And now you have one of the worst losses we've had this decade.
where you can go back and just drive yourself crazy with 20 plays.

Speaker 1 And you have people like me and you saying, is that it? Is the window close on this team that won like 15 games?

Speaker 1 Well, think about it. They might lose both their coordinators.
I know. They're never going to be.

Speaker 1 You can never trust Goff in the same way again. I don't think.

Speaker 1 I think they could get

Speaker 1 in the next couple of years. But yeah,

Speaker 1 this should definitely have been one they rolled.

Speaker 1 They might have taken him lightly, too.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 Porter's catch was dynamite. Like there were so many turning points.

Speaker 1 When the 76 points scored, you could point to 30 plays. Like, oh, had this gone different.
But when Laporta catches the ball and doesn't make use of one of his hands, arms, it's like, oh, shit.

Speaker 1 All right, that's it.

Speaker 1 They're toying with him now, but wasn't the case.

Speaker 1 Really tough loss.

Speaker 1 Tough loss for us. We had Lions Super Bowl bets that I somehow didn't properly hedge with Washton.

Speaker 1 You know what happened? You know, I think the gambling god said to, all right, Sal, Bill, you had a good year. You bet all these money line favorites.
You got to keep your money. Yeah.
New year, not

Speaker 1 duty for kicking the teeth. We're not letting you win another big favorite.
Your wager warranty has expired. Pay the fuck up.

Speaker 1 So if those teams play, if those teams play 10 times, how many times do the commanders win?

Speaker 1 Would you say three?

Speaker 1 No, maybe four, though. Maybe four? Okay.
I'm still saying, like, you know, the Lions,

Speaker 1 they had a ton of yards. I just, I wish they had like two defenders back, like two, just two out of the 20.
Because I watched the whole game this morning knowing what happened.

Speaker 1 And I thought it was going to be way more one-sided toward Washton. And I'm watching it.
I'm like, the fuck did the Lions lose this game?

Speaker 1 Every time they give the ball to Gibbs, he rushes for 12 yards or it's like a 15-yard screen pass. It's like, what happened in this game? Stupid.
I don't know why. Daniels is great.

Speaker 1 And by the way, they hit those fourth downs. You feel like every fourth and two, fourth and three,

Speaker 1 that's the situation where I always feel like they're going to get it. There's other teams

Speaker 1 not as nice. Well, you got the kicker massaging his scalp in all different OCD directions on the

Speaker 1 sideline. You're like, yeah, he's not ready.

Speaker 1 Just, you're going to have to take a snap here. Sorry.
Yeah, he's his fingers are embedded.

Speaker 1 Jaden Daniels, we have a lot of Washington fans in our life. This is just one of the most unbelievable turnarounds I can remember.
We had, even when this happened to the Pats fans with Brady,

Speaker 1 we were still immersed in that whole Brady or Bledsoe,

Speaker 1 who's the starter. And then we had this crazy, you know, Cinderella run to the Super Bowl, which you lost a lot of money on.
Right.

Speaker 1 And even at the end, we were like, okay, Brady, I guess, like, he's good. But this Jaden Daniels thing, this is, this is

Speaker 1 like, if you're just talking about the elite QBs that you feel the best about, he just has to be in the first sentence now with all these other guys. It's one of the best rookie years I can remember.

Speaker 1 And I'm with you with that. Like, we went over the others.

Speaker 1 He's on that Mahomes 2018 level of like, this guy's here now, and he's gonna be here for 20 years.

Speaker 1 Okay, but if Joe House is just getting really loud and obnoxious with us, could we, could we throw the uh, hey, remember RG3 card at him? Will we be able to do that?

Speaker 1 Like, or is this completely different? Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I mean, they were excited about him for over a year. I know, but we were there for the RG3 thing.
It was really fun to watch. Yeah, this is different.

Speaker 1 First of all,

Speaker 1 this guy's pulling, this guy's pulling out huge wins. He's this double threat.
He's incredibly accurate. I have a lot of regrets.

Speaker 1 Like, I really wish, I know we say this after the fact, but I really wish I had

Speaker 1 put more thought at the Nobody Believes in Us part with Washington because you could feel it in the game and especially the quotes after. Like that team's got a chip on its shoulder.
And

Speaker 1 I don't know. I felt like

Speaker 1 looking back, a team that has a shitty defense or a mediocre defense, whatever you want to call the Lions defense, favored by a big spread against a team that's clearly good offensively, that completes a lot of passes and can run the ball.

Speaker 1 I'm never doing that again. I'm taking the underdog the next time.
You got to write that down. We're not going to remember that.
I'm going to add that to the playoff manifesto.

Speaker 1 It's like bad defense, team that completes 70% of its passes and doesn't turn the ball over.

Speaker 1 The other thing that happened, which I don't know if that's going to get momentum this week or not, but Kingsbury, the Washington OC,

Speaker 1 grew up in Texas.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Is it like, could that be the Cowboys coach?

Speaker 1 And when you watch what he's done with Daniels and with Washington's offense, is that a better option than some of the options I've seen, which you showed me at Shakers's office?

Speaker 1 Of course. Robert Salah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That

Speaker 1 list I showed you was the shakies of coaches lists, by the way. It's really, yeah, it was Robert Sala.
It was, well, I mean, Flores was in there. Kellen Moore.

Speaker 1 I realized Deion Sanders, of course, Jason Witten. I guess we're just

Speaker 1 trying Jason's until one of them works. Like, I don't freaking know.
Yeah, bring Kingsbury in. No, and people didn't want to interview him, right?

Speaker 1 Like, the Steelers passed on him last year for defensive coordinator. Three teams didn't even want to hear from him this year.
It's a little strange. It went awful for him in Arizona.

Speaker 1 And there's a chance it went awful because maybe there was stuff. Maybe that's a weird organization, weird quarterback.
But I think Kylie's tough. Yeah, Kylie was tough.

Speaker 1 I can't really 100% hanging on him for that. All right.

Speaker 1 We're going to take one more break for the pod, and we're going to do guess the lines.

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Speaker 1 So before we do guest the lines, we were all together. Yeah.
We went to Shaky's today.

Speaker 1 The original Shaky's we used to go to Shaky's Pizza, which we've joked about for years and years in this pod, was on Santa Monica in a not awesome area of Hollywood.

Speaker 1 And we used to go there and it was pretty grim. Well, that's gone.
It did not survive COVID. And there's a chance it could have started COVID.
We're not sure.

Speaker 1 It either started in Wuhan or at Shakey's in Santa Monica.

Speaker 1 So we had to go to Shaky's on Sunset Boulevard, past. the 10, past where Netflix is, a little down further, going toward,

Speaker 1 you know, that the Scientology place and uh and we all went and it was like a really nice time and they had a lot of tvs and it was pretty clean and it wasn't the shakies i was accustomed to i i pulled into the parking lot there were some models the cars that were it seemed like they were made you know after 1978

Speaker 1 to be driven of more than 20 minutes right and it was uh it was clean the bathroom i i clenched my fist but it was good and uh you know food still whatever but it's fine we'll post we'll post on instagram we took a shaky's oh yeah shaky's team photo uh i wasn't gonna go and then john ham's like you're going right i'm like this is kind of weird if this guy who's in like 700 movies currently is

Speaker 1 just died in land man it felt like we had to go pay our

Speaker 1 son of a bitch i'm behind why would you do that and it was the season for now it was a week ago what i it's that is the spoiler a little bit A little bit. I don't know.

Speaker 1 I mean, this is the first time I'm hearing it. All right, that's fine.
I mean, he looked good today. I don't know.
You're saying he died? Is that a spoiler?

Speaker 1 Kyle, is that did I just spoil Landham when he came out of week? It's on Sunday. How long do I have to wait? It was a week ago, Kyle.
At least eight days, it turns out.

Speaker 1 I think you could call it a spoiler. Uh, I think you could, you could definitely call it a spoiler.

Speaker 1 Can we find out in the chat? Do people are they in the YouTube chat? Do they

Speaker 1 whatever? Chat would deal like two years.

Speaker 1 You know, if you, if you tell them people the Sopranos, I'm going to straighten it to block chat.

Speaker 1 Um, what are they saying?

Speaker 1 Um, nothing. Give them Jack Wilson's number.
Let him find it. Yes, this is a spoiler.
Tom says, yes, that is a spoiler. One week is not enough.
Matt Smith says, massive spoiler.

Speaker 1 Two weeks is the window. Did we decide that? Was that one of President Biden's last

Speaker 1 verdicts? Yeah. Before he fell into the cement? He's not going to pardon you, I hope, in his last few hours here.

Speaker 1 He has two weeks is for two weeks' notice. You get two weeks' notice, right? God damn.
I guess I spoiled. Sorry.
YouTube got suggested. My bad.
My bad, everybody. I just Jared Goff.

Speaker 1 I jared goff the podcast.

Speaker 1 Did he die at Shaky's? What did what happened? Did you eat something? Well, I'm saying to Ham like mojo potatoes.

Speaker 1 I wasn't positive he died, which means that they could always bring him back next season. All right, good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Ham seemed in good spirits, though. I think he had a good time.
It's fun. And Brad went after you about your documentary.
We don't have to go

Speaker 1 details. He had to give you a very honest

Speaker 1 opinion. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Shaky's, where you go for C-minus pizza and to get berated by.

Speaker 1 It was great. There was a moment where it felt like an LA sports bar.
There are people rooting for the Rams. It's true.
There was a basketball game on on one side. I was like, all right, Shaky's.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I walked to and from to Shaky's and there were

Speaker 1 a couple interesting moments in the way. Yeah.
Well, and especially since you didn't even know what kind of shakies you were walking into.

Speaker 1 Although, I guess you knew the neighborhood, so it wasn't as it wasn't as scary. Yeah, I was watching.
I did this yesterday, too. I was walking and watching the game on YouTube TV,

Speaker 1 which I love YouTube TV. I'm so mad I didn't have it, but I'm not just saying that because we've done stuff with them.
By the way,

Speaker 1 you heard the hack there where you could turn off the 15-second delay. Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's amazing. How did we not know about that? I know.

Speaker 1 I should let people know. I mean, that wouldn't, that wouldn't count as a spoiler.
That would actually be something good for everyone.

Speaker 1 But I was thinking

Speaker 1 because eventually I'm going to die by getting hit by a car in LA somewhere when I'm walking because I'm going to be looking at my phone and somebody's just going to pancake me.

Speaker 1 But it will probably 50% chance it's during a football game that I'm watching on my phone and I'm just walking across the street. And it's like, what happened to Bill? Yeah, that was it.

Speaker 1 It finally happened. It's either that or me not wearing a seatbelt somewhere are going to be the two ways I go.
I can't imagine the idea of burning calories while watching a football game.

Speaker 1 I have to take

Speaker 1 a bite of something every play. And it I got to say, every time Collinsworth talked, I was I was walking faster.
I was like, Collinsworth is giving me energy. It was like a Gatorade.
Interesting.

Speaker 1 What am I doing?

Speaker 1 We wanted to dive into traffic every day. I didn't walk during the Brady thing.
Yeah, yeah. Um, but yeah, it was because I didn't, because that was the uh

Speaker 1 going to UFC yesterday, which I want to talk about after we do guest alliance. Guest the Lions.
So

Speaker 1 let's set up the drama for Guest Alliance. You haven't beaten me since 1932, right before World War II.
Right.

Speaker 1 Before that, yeah. You

Speaker 1 are up one week. I'm up one week.
So I can still win. I have to win this week and I have to hit the Super Bowl and beat you both weeks, basically.
Win. You could clinch.
You could beat me this week.

Speaker 1 And I honestly don't remember the last time you've won. I don't either.
And

Speaker 1 it's going to be liberating when I could smack you with a Subway sandwich. Although I'm almost positive you're going to guess these two exactly right.
Look at you. You can't even hide it.

Speaker 1 No, I didn't even, I forgot to make a guess for the other one. I have the Eagles watching.

Speaker 1 So that's the Early game. That's three Eastern.
Three Eastern, Fox.

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 All right. So I'll just give you my thought process.
It's in Philadelphia. Philadelphia was favored by six and a half against the Rams.

Speaker 1 Now they're playing Washington, a team that's done pretty well against them.

Speaker 1 I think the line has to be less than six and a half.

Speaker 1 And I'm going to say Eagles

Speaker 1 by five.

Speaker 1 Vegas Zone. You're going to be mad at me because it did an hour ago was four and a half.
And I had guessed five and a half. And I swear on my kids, I like at least two of them.
It's five and a half.

Speaker 1 It's five and a half right now? It's five and a half right now. God damn it.
So I get that. So you have to get this one

Speaker 1 to push.

Speaker 1 So now you basically clinched at least the tie for the tie. Yeah.
And what's tiebreak? I think I have better common opponents. So I think I'm going to win anyway.
Better schedule. Yeah.

Speaker 1 A sadder last 10 years. I'll tell you this.

Speaker 1 I was off by a full point here.

Speaker 1 No, I was off by a half a point, but I, but you could get this.

Speaker 1 Kansas City hosting the Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 1 I thought about putting this in the tick-tack tack zone, and I'm not going to. I'm going to say Chiefs by two and a half.
Oh, yes,

Speaker 1 champion, baby.

Speaker 1 It's Two, it's one and a half. You should have put that

Speaker 1 in the tic-tac zone. Is it two and a half right now? Now I'm looking.
Hold on. It's one and a half.
I don't trust you. Yeah.
I don't trust you. I'm looking right now.
I'm fan doyle. Go ahead.

Speaker 1 America's number one sports book.

Speaker 1 Spoiler alert. I win.
One and a half.

Speaker 1 This is nice. I feel good.
My heart's like pumping a little bit for the first time all day. Wow.
So Washington to 11 and a half, Chiefs to plus four and a half.

Speaker 1 Be careful. yeah

Speaker 1 i'm just just spitballing

Speaker 1 yeah that's probably right

Speaker 1 why do we have to tease it we could pick two winners

Speaker 1 put ohio state on but i felt that way about the ravens and turned out it wasn't a winner it was a big l loser well congratulations i know nobody's happier for you than dave jacobi Yeah, we did it, Jacob's.

Speaker 1 Listen, I'll trade knowing the ending of Landman for my first title in three decades. So, spoiler alert is two weeks.

Speaker 1 I would think so. I think that's a fair place to start.

Speaker 1 Is this President Trump has weighed in on this?

Speaker 1 Our new president started tomorrow.

Speaker 1 Can that be one of his first rulings? Is the spoiler alert ruling? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it is funny with the stuff with

Speaker 1 like you and I trying to figure out Lamar Jackson over props, and some 15-year-old makes like $35 million overnight buying a freaking coin.

Speaker 1 The Hoctua

Speaker 1 Runs to disappear after a crypto thing. I got my wife the Hock Tua coin for Christmas.
I haven't checked on it. I imagine it's not, it's not doing well.
What? It's not going badly.

Speaker 1 Another spoiler out of Bill. Thanks.

Speaker 1 It's in bad shape.

Speaker 1 This edition of Parent Corner is brought to you by Hookah and Bandai 9, their new daily trainer. So you go first and then I'll go.
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Speaker 1 So my 11-year-old Harrison, we've talked about him a couple of times times already.

Speaker 1 So he and his class have what's called puberty night, where all the fifth-grade boys go through puberty in the same night. No, where they get together and

Speaker 1 sort of scared for a second. No, no, I know.
No, it's not like that.

Speaker 1 No, they, but some instructor comes in every Friday for six weeks and talks to them about, you know, lectures them about like the, the body and the biological growth and the birds and the bees and everything like that.

Speaker 1 And it rotates at different houses. And it's going to be at our house next week.
I think it's next week, is our Friday. And I'm not invited to any of these.

Speaker 1 Like last Friday, or the Friday before, there was football. It was college football.
So I wasn't there. And last Friday was up.
But

Speaker 1 I'm not invited. My wife has prohibited me from going because she thinks I'm going to make a mockery out of it.
She's like, no, you're too immature. I was like, well, what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 She's like, well, you know, like some of them. What are you talking about? Here's 178 examples.
She said, well, I had to know.

Speaker 1 she's like well some of the fathers i'm like the father the fathers are there it's like yeah it's like they'll stand up and talk about like you know the first time they had a boner in class or something i'm like all right that seems fine i could do something like that they're like next jimmy kim alive i'm like

Speaker 1 you're gonna go over the top you're gonna be too over the top you're gonna embarrass him in front of his friends and that's gonna be that it's not good so i don't know of course she's right of course they're right but i want to see this because i want when it's at our house i want to make hot dogs i want to serve hot dogs.

Speaker 1 I think that'll be appropriate. But I think, like,

Speaker 1 I don't know. Am I too immature for this?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 I watched you during Jimmy's wedding. You tried to chef Dixon into the wedding cake and knock over a $25,000 wedding cake.
Oh, that was one of the more mature things I ever did. No, that wasn't good.

Speaker 1 I think I should do that. Have we, we've told that story before.
I don't think people like

Speaker 1 Dixon, if he, he was almost like,

Speaker 1 he was like, no, you tried. It was like.
It was like a G and I mind trick. He was Jaden Daniels on the RPO, like just reading the defense.

Speaker 1 He saw you out of the corner of his eye and he jumped to, he jumped out of the way. And I don't know.
So it was more homes, the referees would have called it me for.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he would have flapped right into the cake. Even though I didn't talk.
Yeah, he knew the cake was coming. No, but like Harrison, like he asked my wife, he's like,

Speaker 1 after all this, he asked her, when was your first wet dream? Like the kids obviously confused. She's like, no.
She answered, it was 1996, which is bad news for me. No.

Speaker 1 So anyway, these kids have a lot of questions. I don't know if I could help out, but I'm not allowed.
Wait, how old is Harrison now? He just turned 11. This feels early.

Speaker 1 What's going on in Manhattan Beach? Oh, I don't know. Is that early? Yeah.
Oh, just.

Speaker 1 I remember I was reading a Judy Bloom book when I was a kid. Remember Judy Bloom? Yeah, sure.

Speaker 1 And there was a wet dream reference in the book, and my dad was driving, and I was reading the book, and the pastor's seen. I was like, dad, what's a wet dream? Like, I didn't know.
And he was like,

Speaker 1 I was like steering

Speaker 1 coming traffic. I think that's what A.J.
Brown was reading on the sidelines.

Speaker 1 It's inter excellence and

Speaker 1 how did you find out? I mean, to friends and everything else, but was there like, I do remember going to like a parent night.

Speaker 1 I think it was fifth grade, like a where somebody said was I don't remember, I just don't remember school talking about this. Just health class, not until yeah, middle school.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I remember like eighth grade was when uh when that dialogue started. So anyway, you're banned from this parent night? So far, I don't know what I have to do to prove myself, but

Speaker 1 what do people in the chat? This YouTube chat's kind of fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 somebody said it's called Embarrassing the Children 101.

Speaker 1 My parent corner, I took Ben to UFC last night. And

Speaker 1 it was at the Intuit Dome

Speaker 1 where the Clippers play, which is my favorite arena. I sound like I'm the showfield.

Speaker 1 Oh, I loved it the whole time. No, I'm in.
Oh, I'm in. I love it.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 running a Corolla, and Corolla's all excited.

Speaker 1 And I'm with Ben and see Corolla. And Corolla's like, I got a special guest.
It is a special guest. You're going to be surprised.
I'm like, is it Joe Biden?

Speaker 1 He's like, not as high as Joe Biden, but high, almost as high. I'm like, all right.
And it was Kevin Costner. Wow.
So

Speaker 1 we're in this row and Corolla is sitting between Kevin Costner and Mel Gibson. And then a couple seats down is Anthony Keatis, the Red Hot Chili Peppers lead singer.

Speaker 1 And sitting next to him is my son, Ben, because we were in this row of seats. And he's just like talking to the Red Hot Chili Peppers guy, watching UFC.
And it's like the greatest.

Speaker 1 greatest night of his life. Like, because he's been waiting for this UFC card forever.
And I was like, this is pretty cool. Like, I'm glad.

Speaker 1 I'm, you know, we spend a lot of time together, obviously, but I was like, I'm glad we could do this. And he's really pumped.
It's nice to.

Speaker 1 So just when I think it had, we've peaked, Pereira is there.

Speaker 1 Like our favorite guy.

Speaker 1 He's sitting over to the left. So now he's like staring him down and he's like, how do we get the picture? How do we, like, we're just trying to figure out the prayer picture.

Speaker 1 But he's sitting and there's like a barrier in front of him. There's people.

Speaker 1 And now I'm like, what happens if we go over?

Speaker 1 Do we do like get Ben Ben in the selfie? Like, like, how do we do it? And also the guy doesn't speak English. There's no way he knows who I am.
Like,

Speaker 1 and ended up bailing on it and not being able to do it. But like for the last two hours, just trying to figure out, can we get the prayer picture?

Speaker 1 Like, this would that, so then we found out after that Frank Ocean was there, who is like one of Ben's favorite artists who never leaves his house. He's like a recluse.

Speaker 1 And it was like, he was there too. So Ben's like,

Speaker 1 see, he sees, maybe it's not true because he saw it on like freaking Snapchat or whatever. So we're leaving after, and we're in the bottom where all the cars are.
And

Speaker 1 O'Malley's coming out and he's dressed like a crazy person in a good way.

Speaker 1 Ben's like,

Speaker 1 this is it. We got to get.
And so we get, we get the, we got the O'Malley picture. So it was a level B.
It was great. It was one of the best pictures he's gotten, but we didn't get Pereira.

Speaker 1 How should we have attacked the Pereira picture, in your opinion? Well, how far away was he?

Speaker 1 He was like, we were, we were on one thing. So he was like probably 90.

Speaker 1 We were sitting at six o'clock. He was at nine o'clock, basically.
I think you just got to amble.

Speaker 1 I hate to say it. You got to just be that.
He had a huge guy next to him, like huge, scary guy next to him. And that guy was going to be able to do that.

Speaker 1 And he was really into it because Hill and Yuri were fighting. So he was like locked in like a motherfucker for that fight, like, because he's beaten both those guys.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Maybe you corralled Mel Gibson to put him in some kind of chokehold, like the weapon two or something,

Speaker 1 the bodyguard, and then we snap

Speaker 1 real quick. Well, then he came over to take a picture with Mel.
So that was another thing. So he was like 15 feet away, but there was like 10.
So we just couldn't pull it off. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But that was the most,

Speaker 1 that was the single most exciting celebrity

Speaker 1 that I've seen been from an excitement standpoint. Really? That we've been in the same room with.
And we've, you know, we went to a lot of cool wrestling events.

Speaker 1 You were with us for a couple of years. Yeah, he had a Bella girl twerking about

Speaker 1 eight feet from him. Two feet from us.
Where does that? So if it's one to ten, what's wrestling? What's what's UFC for him?

Speaker 1 UFC is a 10 right now. Right.
Wrestling was a 10 when he was like from age six to age. Like age seven or something.
Yeah. Yeah.
Now it's like a five. UFC is like a full, complete 10.

Speaker 1 But the funny thing with Pereira, because part of it was, you know, if it's like an actor, right? If it was like whoever, you'd be like, all right, we go over like, you know, they'll, they'll do it.

Speaker 1 But Pereira is just as intimidating when you're just watching him just exist

Speaker 1 as he is when he's in the ring. Like he, he was just motionless staring at the two guys.
Like, and he doesn't move. It's like watching Michael Myers.

Speaker 1 So it's not like the number one guy. You just want to be like, hey, buddy, can I get a picture? Because it looks like he's just about to kill somebody at all times.
I was wounded by him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like Nick Diaz has that look too, Nate Diaz, but he's also a little more approachable too, right? I know it's just,

Speaker 1 Pereira's locked in. The two best fights were Yuri and Hill.

Speaker 1 That was just a savage i light heavyweight is such a great weight class the guys just beat the shit out of each other every punch or kick seems like it could end it and then murab came out and just

Speaker 1 from the moment he came out he stole the show he the crowd

Speaker 1 and the crowd was was for at least a couple of the matches incredibly loud and really into it they were in with murab like like he had they were just like living and dying with every time he did it it was great i had a great time The main event sucked, but the main event sucked.

Speaker 1 That wasn't their fault. Well, they had a movie.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's that was great. I mean, that was supposed to be, it was supposed to be minus 450.
Did anyone there, including you, after the Lions lost, put

Speaker 1 Talbot on a big money line farlay? Minus 1100? Oh, yeah. And he lost.

Speaker 1 Oh, you did that? Yeah, yes, yes, yes. He lost.
That was, he got killed. But anyway.

Speaker 1 No, but that's great. That's fun.
And Adam, and he's a member of QAnon now, Ben?

Speaker 1 Adam, he came over a few times and he was progressively less sober each time and having a great time. One of the funny things about UFC is after the fight, a guy loses.

Speaker 1 You know, the crowd, they'll cheer one guy or the other guy.

Speaker 1 but then they lose and they'll sometimes they'll interview the loser and the crowd are still like booing the guy he's like it's bad enough the guy just lost like he's like reevaluating his career and it's like let's bring him in.

Speaker 1 And they're fucking booing him. Everyone becomes an Eagles fan all of a sudden.
Yeah. It's really, it's UFC is great.
It's like one of the best in-person things.

Speaker 1 The crowd's hilarious.

Speaker 1 Everything about it's really good. I'm glad it worked there.
And I'm glad they kept it there. I know they were talking about switching it because of what's happening in L.A.

Speaker 1 But I'm glad they showed that it could work. And I'm glad it was a good thing.
It sounds good. No, it was good.
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That came out like Collinsworth doing

Speaker 1 the pass rush. Multiple people texted me today that

Speaker 1 he slowed down on pass rush. Yeah, he really did.
He kind of paused between the two words. Yeah.
So you think somebody talked to him? Yeah, but then he was right back to pronouncing it incorrectly.

Speaker 1 So there is good in the world.

Speaker 1 Well, that's it for the podcast. That's it, man.
That's it. Next time I talk to you, yeah, guess the lines.
We're just going to play it out of pride, I guess. We'll still do it.

Speaker 1 It'll be like the Pro Bowl. Whatever.
Yeah, it's fun. Hey, you tried, kid.
You really did. I'm going to go on it.

Speaker 1 What a win for you. I'm very excited.
I don't have to sweat out the Super Bowl. It's funny you you're wearing the Mets hat.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you don't have to sweat out the Super Bowl, the Cowboys, and neither of us have to sweat out baseball because the Dodgers are just, I guess, going to win the next five World Tours.

Speaker 1 We're trying to figure it out. And like,

Speaker 1 we used to like the Dodge. You know, we talked about the Yankees of the, you know, the...
whatever, the Jeter team and everything. Yeah, the 90s, early 2000s.

Speaker 1 Giambi, Kevin Brown, and Randy Johnson. You hated it, but the, you know, Pettit,

Speaker 1 all those guys, Muslim and Jeter came through the farm system and like you respected that. And now you just sign any free agent and you're like, all right, yep, tax us, whatever it is.

Speaker 1 We'll bring it back because Japanese players, Japan will take care of us. Which is printing money over in Japan.
They're going to spend money. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So we're trying to figure out what the equivalent of that is, like with Dubai. Like if the Red Sox sign like three players from Dubai.

Speaker 1 Right, like a lefty reliever from Dubai who becomes the most popular person in Dubai. Yeah, who cares if they're any good? You got all all Dubai watching and spending money on it.

Speaker 1 Well, the other thing we thought of was how the Seattle Mariners really missed this because they had Ichra. They were

Speaker 1 way ahead of the game. They knew how much this stuff's worth and they should have just been like,

Speaker 1 we're the Japanese American team.

Speaker 1 Everyone in that country will root for the Mariners. They will associate.
their best guys with us and we'll just overpay for every guy. And instead, they just gave that to the Dodgers.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're right. And that's a good spot for, you know, yeah, Asian Americans like go flourish there.
That would have been a good spot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they lost their basketball team, but that might have been the second worst decision, not capitalizing on that. Yeah, they had it.
Icharo was huge. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Anyway, so we're not going to have to care about baseball. I'm on the fence.
I might drop out of League of Dorks.

Speaker 1 No. Pinch and I haven't been talking about it.
Yeah, it's just, it's too hard. It's just too old.

Speaker 1 What do you mean?

Speaker 1 Do you have to change your lineup multiple times a week? No, it's just we haven't won in a few years. It makes me feel bad about myself.
I really want to reevaluate some of my fantasy league stuff.

Speaker 1 I'm in too many fantasy football leagues.

Speaker 1 You love the guillotine, though, right? The guillotine's good. The guillotine was good.
That's staying. Yeah.
Guillotine was good. I think we have to figure out our version of that.

Speaker 1 But have you gotten sad about no football yet? Yeah, I am starting to get like, you know, no, no three-team teasers anymore, right? Unless you do the same thing.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, unless you do like the unders. Yeah, that's another like milestone part of my year where it it gets very sad.
But what are you going to do? With the Masters back.

Speaker 1 I'm going to the Masters.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we are going. If FanDuel come for sure, we're going to the Masters.

Speaker 1 That's a challenge. I think they will.
I think they're going to come to the next one. I think they will.

Speaker 1 Well, the thing we're having, we have a very special guest coming with us this year, potentially. Is it Kevin Costner? No, it's going to be James Babydal Dixon.
I love it.

Speaker 1 Now, you said he wasn't as excited as when he got the invitation as you thought he should be. It's a weird one.
He always clears it with the the wife.

Speaker 1 He won't just say yes. He'll say,

Speaker 1 it's a hesitant yes. I will let you know for sure tonight because

Speaker 1 he's very happily married. I think this is one of the reasons.
He never makes decisions where I'm going away for a week without. making it a collaborative effort.

Speaker 1 It's something to aspire to, or you could just call him a giant wuss. Like, I don't know which side you want to be on of that.

Speaker 1 I think the reason he does it more than anything is because he knows you and i can maybe talk about it on the podcast and then he can maybe play it back to her like you see sweetheart you see what i did it's all fan

Speaker 1 it's gonna be fun i'm gonna push him into a cake if i see one i can't wait well it's watching him and the masters well on augusta without a cell phone is is going to single-handedly bring me out of the funk of that we started out here in january where it just seems like this is going to be the worst year ever but like now now it's like giving me hope and and strength.

Speaker 1 Cause you have to give your cell phone

Speaker 1 to the, at the, at the, at the front, but I know he's going to bring like three cell phones. He'll have one like in his shoe.

Speaker 1 He'll have like almost like when people in prison movies put like a shank in their shoe. He'll have like a iPhone in his shoe somehow.
There's no way he's not going to have. a phone for eight hours.

Speaker 1 That's where I'll pounce. I'll blow the whistle on him right there.
I'm like, hey, he's got his, he's got his phone in his shoe. Check him one more time.
You gotta check. Keep checking him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he does do that because we've been to like movie premieres and stuff, not movie premieres, but like concerts or something where you have to check your phone in that pouch. And he always

Speaker 1 goes through it and everything. And then, like, 20 minutes away, he's like, baby, I'm not going to let them fucking take that.
Are you fucking kidding? I'm like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 You're in the same line as me. How did you just pull that off? So, yeah.
So, what would he? So, if he does check the phone, but he'll have a pack of cigarettes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was my next question for you. Is he like one pack or two? He'll just have one, right?

Speaker 1 But if you do that, you could blow smoke as Scotty Scheffler's doing his back. You're outdoors.
Yeah. All right.
Yeah. Nephew Kyle, he smoked.
He smoked the Masters. Yeah.
He was very excited.

Speaker 1 He loved it. Yeah, because you're not holding a phone.
I might start smoking too.

Speaker 1 There's so many great possible variables. It's really

Speaker 1 giving me strength.

Speaker 1 Like him.

Speaker 1 Him getting super golf analysty

Speaker 1 as we watch guys in the sixth hole and him repeatedly telling us how hard the shot is and doing all that stuff, it's going to be great.

Speaker 1 You shoving him into the gallery. It's going to be good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 He's got this nine. Yeah, look at Rory's losing that nine iron.
Now he could probably make

Speaker 1 my nine iron's better. It's a higher quality.
He might be able to use his, you know, more skillfully, but mine's better.

Speaker 1 Mine's made in Prague.

Speaker 1 We're going to have fun. It'll be good.
I can't. He might leave early.
He might actually leave early. What do you mean? Leave early to do what?

Speaker 1 I might drive him so crazy that he's just like on a plane. Like it foregoes the last couple of weeks.
Well, when was the last time you were in a house with him?

Speaker 1 It was one of the bachelor parties. Might have even been Jimmy.
Like, what? But that's what we're talking like 10, 12 years ago. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 So he's going to have to demand he stays in a house that has a lock on the bedroom door that he's in. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because otherwise, horrible things are going to probably happen to him.

Speaker 1 I have a fun video where I threw water on him when he was taking a nap. Remember that one? It was like a bachelor party and I'm like, baby, I'm kidding.
I'm kidding. He's like, what the fuck you mean?

Speaker 1 You're kidding. I'm soaking wet.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. All right.
Cuz, congrats on the Guest Alliance title this year. Thank you, buddy.
Good job by you. Come by next year.
You'll be right there with me. Good job by you, bud.

Speaker 1 That's it for the podcast. Thanks to Kyle and Sarudine Gahau for producing.
Remember, you can watch all the stuff we do on this podcast on the Bill Simmons YouTube channel.

Speaker 1 And we'll also be, I think, starting in February officially, will be a video podcast on Spotify. So

Speaker 1 only a couple weeks left until that happens. New rewatchables, rewatchables mailbag going Monday night.
So stay tuned for that. That will also be on the Ring of Movies YouTube channel as well.

Speaker 1 And as for the schedule for this podcast,

Speaker 1 Probably not a podcast on Tuesday night, but definitely two more podcasts over the course

Speaker 1 of

Speaker 1 the week. So that's his schedule.
You will hear from me at some point midweek. Stay safe.

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