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Hello.

Oh.

Be respectful, guys. He can do what he wants.
Oh, can I start now? Oh. Nice to meet you, Charlie.
I'm a big fan. I think you're a very beautiful man.
I admire you physically. But, uh...
No, no homo. No homo.
No homo. I did have a question.
Something I don't find very interesting about you, something I find kind of repulsive, is that I believe you said that the Civil Rights Act was bad and that we shouldn't have that. Okay.
Thank you. I appreciate that.
I don't like you as much as Charlie, though. First of all, what's your name? Oh, sorry.
I don't want to be, like, filmed and stuff. Too late.
I'm anonymous, number one. Anonymous guy.
Okay. Well, hello.
Nice to meet you, anonymous guy. Thank you.
Thank you. Nice to meet you, too.
Yeah. I believe in part of the essence of the Civil Rights Act.
Went way too far, way too wide. Oh, how'd it go too far? Well, for example, it created an entire Civil Rights Leviathan that gave us affirmative action.
Civil Rights Leviathan? What do you mean? Yeah, so if you can let me finish three words in. Sorry.
It allowed the Department of Justice to go after people that have different skin color, a.k.a. white people, and prevent them from getting jobs in college admissions.
You have a job. I'm sorry? You have a job.
No, you're right. I do.
Right. But until Trump came around, until the Supreme Court decision, thanks to the Civil Rights Act, if you have white skin color, it's much harder to get into a college than if someone has black skin color.

Much harder.

You have to get higher test scores.

It's a much harder pool, largely thanks to the precedent set by the Civil Rights Act,

not to mention all the trans stuff that we're seeing. We're seeing men be able to win trophies and medals from women across the country,

and they use the Civil Rights Act to justify it.

Okay.

I think I see where you're coming from.

So you think that it's harder for white people because black people, they could have lower tech scores? That's not what I think, it's the fact. That's what you're saying, okay.
Well, I guess what I would say, too, I think perhaps, you're familiar with the term equity, right? Where different people have different circumstances. It's Marxism, I reject the frame.
Okay, whether you reject it or not, I think it's a prescient concept in this argument. Because what you have to understand is that when you, for example, you're born in like a black name, you're born in like Oblock or something, like a very, very, like a, you don't know what Oblock is? Oh, if you're born there, if you're born in a very poor area like that, with like very low economic activity, very, very poor schools, a very low ratings, where the average test score is much lower.
When you're in that environment, you have the whole system up against you, right? So when you say in that kind of circumstance, when you're facing the whole, I guess, leviathan of systemic racism, would you say that's... Sorry, let me just finish.
When you say it's fair to, for example, lower the standard because knowing that their circumstances were like that, perhaps based on what they had, what was presented to them, they had the correct amount of merit to get into a school. Okay, so are you a student here? I'm guessing you are.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a student here.
Are you a pretty good student? Oh, yeah, I would say I'm a good student. I have a pretty high GPA.
Okay. Can you give your GPA to her because she's a woman of color, please? Oh, well, you want me to give you a...
I mean, I can. Would you be willing to do that? Yeah, sure.
You would be cool with that?

Yeah, I'm fine.

Wait, you mean like tell her or like give it to her?

No, by force.

Like we're swapping it.

Let me tell you what I'm going to do.

By force, white man, I'm going to take your GPA.

I'm going to give it to a woman of color.

Okay.

You're cool with that?

I mean, yeah, I can just work back up.

No, there's no working back up.

I can pull myself up on my boost shaft.

No, there's no working back up. What do you mean you on my boost chance.
No, there's no working back up.

What do you mean you can't work back up?

That's the whole point of conservatism, isn't it?

I'm going to keep on taking it from you because that's equity.

And you're cool with that.

What?

This is equity in practice.

Equity isn't taking.

Equity is applying the equal standard.

If you give, how do you get?

You must take and then you give.

Wait, what do you mean?

That which is given must first be taken.

Well, what's being taken?

Well, in this case, grades from you to grades to her.

No one's taking my grades, though.

That's not what affirmative action is.

Hold on a second.

We'll be right back. which is given must first be taken.
Well, what's being taken? Well, in this case, grades from you to grades to her. No one's taking my grades, though.
That's not what a firm of action is. Hold on a second.
No one takes your grades. Hold on a second.
You only have so many positions at University of South Florida to come in, right? There's a set number. Let's say it's 20,000 people, okay? And we're going to say we're going to lower the test standards so that somebody that's a woman of color can come in.
And therefore, it's harder for you. So it's a higher bar for you, lower bar for them.
Definitionally, it's a redistribution of test scores to somebody else just by the definition. And you're OK with that.
Well, I guess I would ask that if we were to do what you're doing, I guess that's what's happening under Trump. Right.
Well, no, it's actually been happening last 40 years. OK, actually.
Yeah, whatever. Okay, so when you say that, if you do that, then, well, black people aren't going to get into school, and then they won't be able to uplift themselves, they won't be able to have prosperous families, they won't be able to, you know, equalize the economic status, because you need to give them a little jump start.
You know what? You have a car, right? How is that? How is that? Well, no, now I know who you are. No, no, no, no, no, it's good.
But no, how has that worked the last 40 years? We've had robust affirmative action. We've had hiring practices.

Has it made black America more successful?

I can answer that easily.

It's because...

Oh, sorry.

It's because...

Sorry.

What am I going for?

I don't know.

You're a funny guy.

So what happened is,

even after the Civil Rights Act,

you know what I believe?

I believe the term is massive resistance. It was a movement after the Broad v.
Board of Education in Virginia where essentially the legislature, which was still white supremacists, which is still extremely racist, they decided that, no, we're going to do everything that's feasibly possible within our means to stop black people from going to white schools. You even see this in, I believe it was Little Rock 9, right? Even after it was legalized at the state level, white supremacist mobs still mobilized to prevent it.
So even if de facto it's gone, it still exists. Let me ask you a very simple question, a term you keep on throwing around.
Got you. What is racism? What is racism? That's a very complicated question.
No, it's not. I mean, there's a simple answer, and then there's the highly theoretical answer.
Give me the simple. The simple answer will essentially be because we have different skin colors that he's treated a different way than me.
He has a different... I'm bringing to me...
No, no, no. But what is racism in practice? Oh, it's discrimination.
Based on the color of the skin. Got it.
Thank you. So isn't it racist then to then penalize white people to come into college or to get jobs based on the color of their skin? Wouldn't that be racist? So you're arguing for a very racist policy, which is that we should actively discriminate against people based on the color of their skin, which is affirmative action in DEI in practice.
I just disagree with the premise just disagree with the premise that you can do, like, anti-white

racism, because, uh,

because... Wait, can you be racist against

white people?

No, bro, I'm a cracker, bro. What the f***?

No, you can't be racist.

Bro, there's so many crackers here, bro.

There's your clip, bro.

There's your clip.

What, what, are you gonna, you're gonna do political violence to me, bro?

Why are you saying that to me?

You're making me scared So let me tell you what we believe

Because you should tell us what you believe

Your world view is indistinguishable from the KKK

That you want to organize the world

Based on skin color

We want to organize the world

Based on merit and character

Based on how hard you work

Thank you. that you want to organize the world based on skin color.
We want to organize the world based on merit and character, based on how hard you work, what you bring to the table. I believe it's destructive and wrong to say that people are going to be organized or have their future set based on the color of their skin.
I think it's tribalistic. I think it is divisive.
And I think it hurts the excellence of a country.

You asked a question, well, how are we going to help other communities?

You know how you help other communities?

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So do you think like when Trump is a now and now he's president, now that racism is gone now, cause jump us back and we're no longer pandering right do you think like when Trump is a now nice president now that racism is gone now because jump is back We're no longer pandering right. Do you think that the conditions of a Of black people of like do you think oblox is it gonna become like a much nicer place? Do you think that? Do you think that these are very downturned Sort of a black neighborhoods that have been sort of left behind do you think they're gonna become revitalized now? Is that what you think is gonna happen Yeah, they'll do better for sure.
Do you think they're going to do better? Now that we've stopped helping them, they're going to do better. That's an interesting thing.
Because that seems contradictory to me, just on basic logic. Well, actually, black Americans under Donald Trump in the first term saw the greatest economic renaissance that they saw since the 1950s.
Do you don't think that's due to Obama, though? Lowest unemployment, revitalization, amazing investment in their communities, opportunity zones. But that's when we had affirmative action.
So wouldn't that be bad? Well, again, we actually got rid of affirmative action now. It's going to do even better.
But I'm talking about before. Those are unrelated things though, just to be perfectly clear.
They don't seem unrelated to me. Well, affirmative action is...
They're both policies addressing racism. Affirmative action is...
I'm sorry. I don't mean to interrupt you.
No, you are. That's okay.
I'm sorry. Affirmative action is largely federal government hiring practices and the adjacent institutions.
I think that all communities will do even better when we stop living under the soft bigotry of low expectations. Inherent in your argument is that we have to pander to certain communities based on the color of their skin because they can't do as well as white people.
I reject the premise. I think that we should try to say, I don't care about the color of your skin.
I care about what you bring to the table and stop pandering to people based on special criteria, points, and acceptance to college saying that we're going to make it easier for one group and harder for another group. I don't think it's pandering, though.
I think it's understanding. I think it's understanding and the respective circumstances and working based on that.
Do you think that we should have black-only dormitories in America? No. Why would I want that? Okay, well, there's hundreds of schools that have those, actually.
What do you mean black-only? Black people are not allowed in at all. No, white people are not allowed in.
White people, yeah, that's why I said white people are not allowed in. Correct.
We have black-only graduation ceremonies across the country. Well, those are from a...
I believe those are most likely like HBCUs, right? No.. University of Michigan has one.
Yale has one. Harvard has one.
So we're agreeing that that is wrong. That is the furthest extension of hyper-race obsession.
So you can choose one or the other. You can be race-obsessed or merit-obsessed.
We as conservatives decide to be merit-obsessed. To build a country based on how hard you work and what you're able to deliver.

Okay, well,

so wait, here, just, I wasn't... Final point? Yeah, final point, sure, okay.

This thing's a little

close... Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to

offend your wonderful setup here.

Yeah, so I guess I'll just

restate my point that

I don't believe... You mentioned, like,

all-black dormitories, right?

I mean, I don't really comment

on that. I mean, I don't know if that's real.
To me,

I'm sorry. I'll just restate my point that I don't believe...
You mentioned all-black dormitories, right? I mean, I don't really comment on that. I mean, I don't know if that's real.
To me, that sounds fake, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here. It's very real.
Okay. But I just think it's a very irrelevant kind of aesthetic-focused thing.
It doesn't really affect the material conditions of black people. If you heard there were white-only dormitories, there'd be marching in the streets, right? Oh, well, because, okay.
What's the difference?

The difference is, like, for example, if you want to go back to segregation, the all-white dormitory was nice as s*** and the all-black one was s***. So if that was brought back, okay, if we were to do an all-white dormitory and the all-black dormitory was s***.
I'm not recommending it. I think, actually, segregation is wrong and evil, and we're heading, until Donald Trump, we were heading in that direction.
I did let it slip by

but you mentioned that

in the early years of Donald Trump, we were heading in that direction. I'll go back to it.
I did let it slip by. But you mentioned that in the early years of the Donald Trump presidency, that the conditions for the employment and stuff were going up for black people.
What I would say is the economy works slow. It works at a time dilation for policies initially enacted.
I would probably assume, based on what you said to me, is that it was the Obama-era policies that actually led to that,

and not the Trump policies.

Because stuff like tax cuts for the rich doesn't really help.

In a year from now, we're going to have the greatest economy ever.

They're going to say, it's all Biden.

It's all Biden.

I don't think that's going to happen.

Personally, I think the economy is going to s*** with what Elon Musk is doing.

But if that was to happen, I mean, s***.

I guess my whole world view.

But I'm pretty certain it's not going to happen.

What about what Elon's doing bothers you? it's not going to happen. What about Elon,

what Elon's doing

bothers you?

Do you not want to see

the government efficient?

The government is efficient.

He's just firing everybody.

Looks like he did

to Twitter, bro.

Y'all see what happened?

The Twitter brats

braces us,

now it's the Nazi haven.

It went from like

a pretty accepting place

to like,

where like the average

blue checkmark

is saying,

hail Hitler.

Like,

Elon Musk himself

has replied to like, well, he did the Nazi salute. Like, we're not going to forget about that, are saying, hey, Hitler, like, Elon Musk himself has replied to, like,

well, he did the Nazi salute.

Like, we're not going to forget about that, are we?

No, he didn't.

What do you mean?

Y'all didn't see that clip, bro?

Y'all didn't see when he did that?

All right.

Oh, okay.

And by the way, I just want to thank you for something.

You're welcome.

I want to thank you.

Do I get a portion of, like, the TikTok revenue you're going to get from this?

I want to thank you.

I want to thank you for something.

Oh, yeah.

You are a perfect reminder why we won in November. So thank you for that.
I? I want to thank you. I want to thank you for something.
You are a perfect reminder

why we won in November. So thank you

for that. I really appreciate it.
Thank you.

Yes.

Hi. We got 15 minutes.
Let's stick with disagreements, guys. Yes, ma'am.
Hi, I'm starting my senior thesis this semester on political polarization and the effects social media and echo chambers has on political polarization. Talk right in the mic, and guys, please give her a chance to speak, okay? Bring your mic down a little bit.
Hi, so I'm starting my senior thesis this year on political polarization and the effects social media and echo chambers has on it. So my question is, how would you describe the relationship between social media and political polarization, especially now that Elon Musk owns X and has advocated for freedom of speech? Yeah, I mean, I think that more speech is always better.
Again, I'm just going to sound, you know, somewhat polarizing, but I don't think it's the right that's polarized in the country, and I'll prove it to you. Donald Trump has two people in his cabinet that ran for president as Democrats.
Tulsi Gabbard and Bobby Kennedy. It's the Republican Party that is the unity party welcoming more people in.
We're the ones that go to these campuses and have an uninterrupted mic for two hours. I mean, do liberals come to campus and have an open mic for two hours, we can say? Really? That's interesting.
They say no. Well, thank you.
And so we are the party of free speech. They're the party that's not.
And look, we welcome all ideas and we agree to disagree. And yeah, look, we are becoming more, I think we're becoming less polarized because we won in November, thankfully.
There's all this clamoring minority of people that are angry because USAID doesn't exist. But the majority of people support President Trump, what he's doing.
He won the popular vote. There's this huge mandate.
We're going to restore what it means to be an American citizen. And I just love what Doge is doing.
It's going in and it's questioning every little element of waste of taxpayer money. You guys worked so hard to send money to D.C.
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Yes, my vaccine friend, how are you? Yeah. He remembered you.
Yeah. All right, Charlie.
So I ran for state senate because our government doesn't work well. There's a lot of waste.
There's a lot of bloat. And yet the things that you're advocating about going against are what help people.
Everybody here is everybody's here because they support freedom. Because as you say, we want a freer market.
We want a freer place. And yet these policies are destroying the Department of Education, which I'm a teacher for, hurts our ability to take power in the marketplace.
It just adds to the few rich people owning all of Right now in America, the top 0.01% have an average $600 million of wealth. The bottom half have an average $7,000.
And by destroying the Department of Education, the Center for Budget, the Consumer Protection Bureau, that is actively helping those rich people take all of our money. Prove me wrong.
Okay, so Trump's been president for six weeks.

Sure.

Right.

So we had an oligarchy as Donald Trump was becoming president.

Yes.

We had all these agencies.

How did they prevent the oligarchy?

They didn't.

No, we have a bad oligarchy, but Trump is increasing our oligarchy.

He had Jeff Bezos.

He had Tim Cook. He had the richest people on earth who have more money than the bottom half of the country

combined sitting right behind

him. And Elon Musk is helping those

regulations get destroyed so that they can

take even more power. So they attend his inauguration as an attendee.

But let's go through one by one. And they donated to it.

So let's go one by one. Sure.
Let's first

go to the Department of Education.

So the Department of Education, which I'm guessing

you're in favor of like $47 million

going to improving learning outcomes in Asia?

Yeah. Because helping other...
Whoa.. I'm a teacher.
When other people don't match our economy, when they can't participate in it, everybody's hurt by that. So I do have a question, though.
We're not even helping ourselves. Why should we help other countries? So you're right.
We should help ourselves more. You're right.
We should help ourselves more. And then he's funding the Department of Education, funding healthcare.
Let me finish. How does one help oneself? Have educational outcomes gotten better or worse since the creation of the Department of Education? The bloated Department of Education, you are right.
We're spending way too much money on administration. That money needs to be going to funding school meals.
That needs to be reducing class sizes. You sound like a Doge advocate, man.
No, because Doge is not doing that. By destroying the Department of Education, they're not funding Title I classrooms.
If we funded Title I classrooms with the money that we promised, every single classroom would get a paraprofessional, which would help my students immensely. They are failing.
And as you were saying before that Florida is the most equitable state, it's not. The richest students get $2,000 more to their schools every year than the fourth quartile students.
I am curious though that the Department of Education, we've seen standards go down. They want to send it back to the states.
By definition, we have the Department of Education. 11 million people are in education like yourself.
11 million of them. 6.7 million are administrators.
6.7 million are administrators. Can we agree we should fire most of those administrators? Look, I can't say that because I don't know what those administrators do.
I think we have way too much money going into that. Hold on.
You're a teacher. Time out.
I got to interrupt you. Are you a teacher? Yeah.
What do the administrators in your school do? They help us out a lot. I mean, do you think I could manage my classroom? Yes, absolutely.
You are wrong. I mean, I could not manage my classroom unless I had an administration helping me out.
You need five administrators or one teacher. That's the ratio.
That's bad. You're right.
That's bad. Okay, but that's the current ratio.
So five to one. But secondly, let me ask you, this is a very important one.
It should be reduced, but ensuring the Department of Education is not the answer because then you hurt the American economy by not allowing people to build up their human capital. Hold on, time out.
We already have the evidence. From the advent of Department of Education, we are now 26 in education.
We were top five when it started. We're the lowest in reading, math, arithmetic in the Western world.
Department of Education has made our standard substandard. And we spend $250 billion a year on the Department of Education, and yet our kids can't, we can't find a single kid that can read at grade level in a Baltimore public school or that can do math in a Chicago public school.
We keep on spending billions of dollars on it. So maybe the solution is crush the current system, send the money back to the states, empower families and parents, moms and dads to spend the money as they see fit, more choice, more competition, and make it localized, not federalized.
So here's the problem. The state of Florida introduced a bill.
My opponent introduced the bill to provide $7,000 for school choice in Florida. That's government waste.
A lot of that money is going to Disney, to cruises. That's increased waste.
It's also every dollar that's taken out of the Florida public education system, given to private families, 75% of that is going to families. You're against school choice? I'm not against school choice as long as we fund education properly.
But 75% of the money is going to families that can already afford an education. Which means my students are getting $3 billion taken out of their education to go directly to the richest Floridians.
Hold on. I just want to make sure I understand.
So you're against the money going to homeschooling? Like, what do you mean by this Disney thing? You're talking way too fast. So, we need money going to where it's needed to school meals what is your critique you're saying three billion dollars going to what i'm not so three billion dollars is being taken out of the public education system and going directly to the people can already afford a private education what reason to help people get their private education okay the problem is there also weren't restrictions on that to limit what the private schools could raise their tuition you're totally wrong i got what you're saying what you're.
How? Show me the facts. It's their taxpayer dollars that are coming back as a refund, right? It's also the public taxpayer dollars that are putting their public money and they were giving back to private individuals that are going to the public system.
It's their own money that's coming back. Rich people stealing our tax dollars.
Hold on. It's easy to say like the rich people, right? The 75% money how do you define rich by the way how much

money a year is right afford a private education which is anywhere from 15 000 to 40 000 a year you are rich and 75 of the money going to the private and wait and 75 of the money go half of all americans are living paycheck to paycheck if you can afford 40 000 you're richer than most people. Now, 75%

75% of the money

that is going from

the public education system into the private system is going to those who can already afford private education. What is the number one predictor of student success? How many years a teacher has been an educator.
Actually, the quality of this teacher. Can we agree at least, because we'll not agree on everything, that we should be able to fire teachers at will? At will is, what do you mean at will? For what cause? If you're a bad teacher.
What do you mean by a bad teacher? I mean, you're on the line. No, what do you mean by bad teacher? Someone who doesn't listen to their students, is not good at what they do.
Graded by other teachers. So for cause, not at will.
Yes, we should fire teachers for cause. Okay, but I think that, do we have too many teachers or not enough teachers? In Hillsborough County alone we're missing 1,200.
See, I reject the premise. Across the state of Florida there are 5,000 teachers.
That's 50,000 students without an educator. You asked me a question, let me finish.
We need better, higher paid teachers. Yes, absolutely.
And Florida has the 48th lowest average teacher pay. Why do you think that is? Because we have a Republican-controlled state for the past 30 years that are increasingly taking away money for teachers.
But hold on. If I'm not mistaken, Florida is in the top five, if not the number one, on educational outcomes for students, right? On them passing, not actual outcomes.
On them passing. So that's number one in the country, I think, though, right? And it was like number 30 or 40 back before school choice was.
So I'm just curious at your complaint here. It's fine.
Let's just kind of go back to the thing. We'll go to the next question.
Department of Education, why should the federal government have any role in education? Because spending that money on helping people helps the entire economy. No, wait, wait.
That's not where the money is going, though. Let me finish.
Helping people helps the entire economy. How has that worked? When you let people fall through the cracks, it destroys our economy.
It's more expensive. When you take away the Consumer Protection Bureau that helps $16 billion of scams go back to the American people, that helps our economy because then they can take place in the marketplace.
What you're advocating for is to reduce the things that push people into the marketplace to increase the barriers and to destroy the freedom of our marketplace. Again, you have not answered the question.
Let's just reiterate it. Department of Education got started in 1979.
That was my question. The same sort of nice-sounding stuff we started to do over the last 35, 40 years.
And we have the lowest standards ever had. We have childhood poverty all over the place.
We have broken public schools because spending money from D.C. does not solve the problem.
Empowering parents does. Parental agency is the solution, not bureaucratic empowerment.
Spending money on spending. Got to get to the next one.
One second. The federal government spending money based solely on tests hurts people because then we don't get the money going to critical thinking, which your and God given talents.
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educationfreedomusa.com so you would say i'm a misinformation machine that's fine yeah fine you're a teacher yes what is a woman what is a woman oh buddy all right so we define gender as a set of preferences that you have

Gender All right. So, we define gender as a set of preferences that you have.
Excuse me.

Gender. Gender is a set of preferences that we have.
Woman. Woman is a social construct that we've agreed upon.
Typically, we imagine womanhood as makeup or whatever. It is...

There is a difference between the word woman and being a biological female.

Woman is a social construct that we use.

Listen for a second.

I'm telling you what it means.

Woman is a social construct.

We agree on these set of preferences.

If I tell you that I'm a man, it's because I want you to know that I like these set of preferences. If I tell you I'm a woman is because I want you to know that I agree with these set of preferences.
Can men give birth? Can men or can males? Because males can't. Listen for a second.
If you listen to your bio professors,

you'd understand there's a difference between biology

and what we think about.

So I want to thank you for proving a great point.

You are why we should eliminate the Department of Education.

Thank you very much.

So you want my kids

to not have a teacher.

We'll go to the next question. Thank you.

Clare front!

Clare front!

Clare front!

Clare front! Clare front!

Clare front!

How are you?

Good.

I just want to drill in a bit about Doge and some of the, what?

Quick, we've done it like five or six times.

And about some of these, like, hirings and some of the unconstitutional moves they've been making I don't like To be more useful here When your claim is that You're trying to make the government more efficient And then you arbitrarily fire a bunch of people For example, for the nuclear people A bunch of them were fired And then they had to get them back You're wasting time and effort by randomly and arbitrarily picking how to handle these cases. If your claim is that you want to be efficient, you should just go and immediately start firing people.
You have to go over this with a lot more methodical effort, and that's not what's happening. And on top of that, the Doge administration will not save enough money.
Even if you were to fire every single government employee, they would not even be able to get to a fraction of how much revenue we need to get for taxes. That's not enough, and it's not helpful.
No, I mean, I have these placards. Sorry.
And when you go over those placards, you can flash them and say that, like, I mean, it's $115 million for equity assessment programs. That's a lot of money.
No, it is not. With regards, compared to how much we need to run the country.
Hold on. This is a very important point you're making.
We're talking about scale here. About $2.6 trillion of revenue comes from our income taxes.
If you're going to make these cuts, you need to meanfully account for them. This is a false argument.
I'm glad you're making it. So then we shouldn't cut it because it's not that big of a deal.
No, that's not what I mean. So should we cut this? $115 million for equity assessment of existing program policies.
One day, one cut. I'm going to make the point, but do you think this should be cut? It depends.
You need to make the argument that it's actually good. You can't just flash the dollars.
No, I'm going to flash it. And say that it's bad.
Equity assessments of existing program policies, 115 million bucks. Yes, you have to justify that this program is helpful or not.
You have to justify the existence of the program. Yes, it should not exist.
Why? Why does it not exist? Well, first of all, the president signed an executive order saying no more DEI. Equity assessment should have no place in the U.S.
government. Why? Because equity is not constitutional.
It's not in the U.S. Constitution.
It's not American value. Why? It's about redistribution.
And $150 million is a grotesque amount of money to spend on it. So you should get rid of it to save taxpayer money.
It's not saving taxpayer money. It's $150 million to get rid of this.
Now, it's also $144 million here of empty buildings. How about empty buildings? Again, you can't just say empty buildings.

You have to go over a detailed policy.

No, we did.

That's why there's 97 of them.

They reviewed the leases.

They're vacated because of COVID.

That's $144 million.

So right here, I have $330 million.

We're going to keep going, right?

You can keep doing that,

but you have to actually just justify

why the policies are helpful or not.

This is what's interesting.

You can say how much they cost, but if they do something useful for the government,

then their prices make sense.

They're empty buildings.

What use is happening for them other than landlords getting rich for nothing?

The point is this.

You think the government is innocent until proven guilty.

I think the government, after what we've learned, is guilty until proven innocent.

They have to justify why this money is being spent in the first place.

Wait a minute.

That's how the law works. Innocents are proven guilty.
You have to prove that these courts... That's not how taxpayer money works, though.
It's that if we find waste, you're going to have to over-justify why this exists in the first place. Secondly...
But you just fire them... You just get rid of the program automatically before you've done the work that I did.
Let me go back to a more thing. This is an argument they're making.
Oh, it's not that much money. Even if you only save $100 in taxpayer money,

that is a moral fight worth having.

That attitude is why we're $35 trillion in debt. Secondly,

which is very important, if you annualize

Doge's savings, you know how much they're on pace to save

this year? A trillion dollars.

One trillion dollars, which would

then get us on path for a balanced budget.

They're on pace because you say, oh, it's only a billion here.

They've been in for six weeks. They've already saved $100 billion.
By December, they'll be at a trillion. Our deficit is $1.6 trillion.
We're going to lower our deficit in such an increasingly important way. And you're going to learn that you actually don't need these government agencies to run a country, that these people are unnecessary.
It's bloated. These bureaucrats don't do anything all day long.
And we need to right- it because we're a nation in debt. We know we're $35 trillion in debt.
Yes. In debt.
Yes. And the only way we're going to get out of it is if we're honest, be like, how about no more empty buildings? No more $115 for equity assessment program.
Biodiversity in Nepal, $19 million. Again, those can be important.
You guys are like, those could be helpful. Okay.
So how could biodiversity in Nepal for 19 million bucks? We spent $20 million for a new Sesame Street in Iraq. It's true.
You guys will look it up. $20 million for a new Sesame Street in Iraq.
And because no one has ever had the courage to look through the books and look and examine the expenditures. That's not what's happening.
No, it has happened. Biden, Obama, they never looked through any of the federal expenditures.
And we got to $35 trillion in debt. This is the first time in my lifetime we have an administration going after the waste, going after the size of government to balance the budget so that you guys don't live as indentured servants and Russian serfs for the rest of your life.
Tell him, Charlie! Tell him! I just want to say, like... Brother! What? Never mind.
Go ahead. You don't need to interrupt me, Bill.
Thank you. The point is when you want to deal with this problem, you can either increase taxes or cut spending massively.
Like, the point is that, like, these programs aren't efficient and helpful for getting to that goal. Yes, I just proved to you that they're on pace for a trillion dollars a cut.
You did not just prove that. But even if

it's only a billion or two billion, that's admirable

and noble.

Just so we're clear. My point is twofold.

You have to both justify that these programs are

bad. I think, no, you can just

this is a program because this one's money.

We should cut it. That's not an argument.

$1.5 million for voter confidence

in Liberia? Again, you can say that

it's bad. Do you know anything about Liberia? I mean, I happen to know a lot about it, but that's a separate issue.
It's not about what I know. It's about the people in the government making these decisions.
Yes, and they have proven themselves to be robber barons over the last 20 years. That they are spending your money with reckless abandon and total indiscretion.
And it's time that this is what's important. It's we the people, not we the government workers.
And we've taken back the government. The government workers are also American people.
Yes, but who works for who? Do we work for them or do they work for us? They work for us! Which one? Yes. They work for us, obviously.
They work for us, yes. So we voted in November, by popular vote and electoral vote landslide, that this crap is over.
And that's what we're doing. We

overwhelmingly spoke. And so we're

going to go piece by piece, department

by department, and this is why it's important.

You guys deserve a future where you

don't have $35 trillion in debt.

Where you don't have a trillion dollar deficit.

But you're not solving that problem by doing this.

Again, a trillion dollars. You have to address this.

They're on pace to cut a trillion by December.

That's big. Big.
That's 75% of our deficit. Okay.
My point is that you have to meaningfully increase taxes or cut something. No, you don't.
Yes, you do. Well, I know.
That's what he's doing. They are meaningfully cutting spending.
Do you have to raise taxes or massively cut spending?

Got it.

Let me just ask one final question.

Yes.

If Trump and Elon get this done and balance the budget and cut all this, will you give them credit?

It depends on how successful it is.

Wait.

I'm not finished speaking.

Oh, my God.

It depends on how successful the country is afterwards.

It depends. If you make a lot of cuts and the country becomes worse, then you didn't do your job.

Okay.

We'll see what happens.

Thank you.

Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

So, you need to do your job. Okay.
We'll see what happens. Thank you.

Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.