"No President Has Been a Better Friend to Israel" — A Timely Interview with Governor Mike Huckabee

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My guest today, Governor Mike Huckabee, I want to talk about your new mission. You and I were talking before the cameras started rolling.
I said, this is one of the few government jobs where I look at. I said, one day I would want that.
I imagine you felt similarly. Walk us through it.
You weren't actively pushing the president for this. No.
He chose you. Walk us through how you came to learn that he wanted you to be U.S.
ambassador to Israel. Well, I had not talked to him about it.
I had not asked him about it. I had not lobbied for it, because quite frankly, Charlie, I'm kind of living a good life, you know, and I was happy with what I was doing.
I love the private sector. Spent my time in government.
I had no interest at all in babysitting some bloated bureaucracy in D.C. That meant nothing to me.
But Israel, and it's deeply personal because I first went to Israel in July of 1973.

I was a month away from my 18th birthday.

This was two months before the Yom Kippur War, 52 years ago, in fact.

So that's a long time.

And I fell in love with Israel.

And it was a very different country 52 years ago because it was a struggling little democracy trying to get its footing.

It had just been through wars in 48, 56, 67.

and you're going to be was a very different country 52 years ago, because it was a struggling little democracy trying to get its footing. It had just been through wars in 48, 56, 67.
It was about to go through another one in 73, two months from when I was there. But there was something about Israel, and a lot of it is because of a spiritual connection.
I can't deny that there was something overwhelming about it. But I started taking people there in groups in 1981, taking tens of thousands of people.
I went several times a year, most years, probably been almost 100 times to Israel. Wow, that's extraordinary.
I've known Benjamin Netanyahu for over 30 years. We've been friends for a long time, you know.
I know a lot of the people there. But, you know, it hadn't occurred to me that I would be the ambassador.
So I'm sitting at my desk. It's just a few days after the election.
And I was supposed to be on a hunting trip, pheasant hunting in South Dakota. And I really wanted to go.
I think I know which trip that was. I was supposed to be there.
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And it was going to be great. I was so excited about it.
I had to deny it. Did you have to turn it down? Well, I was flying to Palm Beach to go help out.
Yep, with the transition. So the weekend before, in fact, like two days before, something just said, you don't have time.
You've got too much to do, and I did, and part of it was, you know, the daily television show and the weekly television show and the newsletter. I'm doing all this stuff.
So I stayed back. I'm sitting at my desk on Tuesday, supposed to be in South Dakota, would have been out hunting.
I never answer the phone if I don't know who's calling. You know, if it's not my directory and I don't recognize it, I just figure if it's important, they'll leave a message.
Something told me, take this call. Now, I've got President Trump's number, so if it had been his phone, it would have shown up.
But it was a different phone, a number I did not recognize. But something said, take the call.
And I did, and it was Donald Trump on the line. And, you know, you've been around him enough to know, he's not like a Southerner who spends 12 minutes engaging in the conversation.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, Mike, how would you like to be my ambassador to Israel? No, it's not even how would you like.
It's, hey, I want you to be ambassador to Israel. You're going to go.
You're going to love it. It's going to be a great job.
You're going to do it. I love it.
That's how he does it, as you well know. Within 10 seconds.
Yeah. And it's like there's no saying, can I think about it overnight? Can I call my wife? And so about the best thing I could do is say, now, when is this going to be made public? He said, well, you'll have a little time to, you know, let your family know.
30 minutes later, it's breaking on Fox News, but that's fine. The beautiful thing is, is that, Charlie, it is the only thing that he would have asked me to do that I just had what I call an Isaiah moment.
Here am I, Lord. Send me.
And that's how it was. Hainani in Hebrew is the term.
Yeah, that's right. I mean, it was just, let's do it.
So he calls you, you're kind of thrown into this, and it's a very, very high stakes ambassadorship. Just by default, by definitionally, given all of the regional actors and the malevolence, but especially right now, given the high stakes post-October 7th.
I'm sure you've had a fair amount of time to think and reflect on America's role and its representing American interests in Israel. Have you been to Israel since that phone call? Twice.
No, not since the phone call, twice since October 7th. Great.
So tell me how that has been. Gut-wrenching.
I've never been through anything quite like it. I've talked repeatedly to families who were there, some of whom had family members murdered, Dealt with a lot of hostage families, talked with them, spent time with them.
I have dealt with IDF soldiers who have been in the heart of battle in Gaza, as well as up on the Lebanese border in Hezbollah. I've been to both theaters of the war.
And it's just hard for people to understand, and most Americans do not fully grasp, what Hamas did on October the 7th, how vicious, how savage, how absolutely uncivilized their massacre of innocent civilians really turned out to be. And I just don't want anyone to ever say, well, yeah, they did some bad things.
They came over and they killed some people, but, you know, you can make peace with them and work something. No, you cannot.
Hamas is not a government. They're not a legitimate organization of anything other than savages.
And they've delighted in what they did to the point that the reason we know what they did is because they wore helmets with GoPro cameras, videotaped their slaughter of babies and women, and then celebrated it, openly celebrated it. And when they sent the word back into Gaza, there was dancing in the streets and celebration over it.
You don't forget that. You just can't.
So the president has been very clear that Hamas cannot govern Gaza again, and I appreciate that. His election certainly has broken open getting some of the hostages back, but the fact that it's taken over 480 days to move that needle is just heartbreaking.
Are there still people that are still being held hostage? Oh, yeah. Americans as well.
How many? 40 or 50. But how many of those are alive? We don't know.
That's the bad part. And the price that's being exacted to get those hostages out, if it's a regular hostage, it's 30 Palestinians out of the prisons.
If it's an IDF soldier, it's 50. Now, I want you to think

about this. These are innocent hostages.
They were going to a music festival. They were sleeping in

their beds, and they've been held captive for 480 days. And for each one of the innocent,

Israel is being asked to give up 30 to 50 murderers. Why is Israel doing that?

I think the pressure to get the hostages home is so intense that they feel like that

Thank you. asked to give up 30 to 50 murderers.
Why is Israel doing that? I think the pressure to get the hostages home is so intense that they feel like that they have to get that done. But in the agreement that they made with the ceasefire, it's very clear that Israel has every right to continue their military operation if in any way Hamas changes the deal, doesn't fulfill the deal,

and ultimately the deal has to be that they're never going to govern Gaza again.

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ambassador in the midst of all this? I mean, an ambassador doesn't get to have his or her own policies. You're carrying out those of the president.
So I have strong opinions. Charlie is based on 52 years of my relationships there.
But as an ambassador, you know, it's not that I get to go and develop those and say, here's what I think. You know, I'll take my orders from the president.
He was the only person elected November the 5th. Nobody else was.
And it's something that some of the people in his first term never understood. They thought that they had been elected to something, and they were going rogue on

his policies. So all of us who have been appointed by the president, and if we require Senate confirmation, as my position does, if the Senate confirms, then I do not go with, this is the Mike Huckabee policy.
It's the Donald Trump policy, and I fully understand that. But the biggest day-to-day job is to communicate American policy to Israel and to take Israeli policy to the U.S.
president and broker that, and to try to make sure that our longstanding commitment to our ally is delivered in the best way possible. Here's the good news.
No president, ever, none, have done as much for Israel and has been a better friend to Israel than President Trump. There's no one that's even in second place.
And what he accomplished in his first term, against all odds, was remarkable, with the culmination being the Abraham Accords. Building upon that will be one of the major efforts and goals.
And quite frankly, I hope that when that happens, we properly name them the Trump Accords, which they should be named after him. He may not get a Nobel Peace Prize for it because people who make those decisions may not like him.
But I'm going to tell you something. If there ever was a human being that will have deserved that recognition, it's President Trump.
So the U.S.-Israel situation is very close to home, because I visit college campuses. As you know, there's a lot of hotbed of activity around this

topic and rising Jew hatred and anti-Semitism. For those in the audience, how would you make

the case for Israel from an American standpoint? Why should we continue this longstanding relationship?

As public opinion polls show, the view of aid to Israel is falling in popularity with the American

people. And it's disturbing to me.
But here's some reasons. Number one, Israel reflects our

So, let's go. The view of aid to Israel is falling in popularity with the American people.
And it's disturbing to me. Yes, it is.
But here's some reasons. Number one, Israel reflects our own sense of governing.
It's a democracy. People elect their leaders.
They can criticize their leaders. They have free speech.
They have freedom of movement, freedom of vocation. And they are a civil government that operates under a very strict law.
They are a law-abiding nation. They're surrounded by dictatorships.
They're surrounded by totalitarian governments whose people do not have free speech, who cannot resist or disagree with the government, and who don't get to pick who leads them. So that's part of it.
This is a nation, the only real genuine democracy between Africa and the Pacific that we can really count on as being reflective of a government that mirrors our own. It's also a government that shares with us military intelligence, technology, innovations.
Most people don't realize that if it weren't for the Israelis, they wouldn't have a cell phone. You know, the whole idea of the SIM card, where'd that come from? Israel.
Some things may seem immaterial, like seedless watermelons and cherry tomatoes, but those are agricultural creations of Israel. But the heart stent, the camera that people swallow that lets the doctors look at their insides.
Some of the most amazing medical technologies were created in what some will call the startup nation, Israel. They have more Nobel science prizes in Israel than any other country on earth.

And if you think about this tiny little sliver of land the size of New Jersey, and it's only 16 million people, the whole country.

And yet their innovations in science and technology are stunning, and they change the world. It is a small but mighty country that receives yet 90 percent of our attention, it seems, in the U.S.
Why is that? Why is there so much venom towards this small, like you say, a sliver the size of New Jersey? It was hard for me to get my arms around why anti-Semitism exists and why people hate Jews. I mean, you scratch your head, but here's what really makes sense, because nothing else does.
It is irrational. Anti-Semitism is as irrational a viewpoint as it could be.
Why would you hate a person because they're Jewish? Do you hate a person because they're Methodist?

Do you hate a person because they're Episcopalian? Presbyterian. Yeah, you know.
Or do you hate a person because of their ethnicity, that they go back to Scandinavia or Africa? Of course not. We would say, well, that's bigotry.
Why do they hate Jews? Here's why. If you recognize that the Jewish people are unapologetically people of the book, people who believe that God gave them their land and their heritage and his law, then if you hate that law and you hate the idea that God really does exist and that we are to worship and obey him, then you hate the people who most represent him on this earth.
That's the only conclusion I can come to, Charlie. Otherwise, it makes no sense.
So we're living in a world where people worship the created, not the creator. So they're out there worshiping the trees and the plants.
Romans 1. Yeah, exactly.
It is a recitation of Romans chapter 1. So that mindset where people have elevated themselves to be their own gods.
In the Old Testament, in the time of the judges, every man did what was right in his own eyes. Look at what's going on.
We have people say there's 127 genders. Where'd they get that? Well, they didn't get it from God, who said there were two.
So if you take the whole body of Jewish thought, Jewish faith, Jewish tradition, it all goes back to there is a God, and here's what he said, and if we live according to his rules, life will be successful. If we don't, if we rebel against him, life is chaotic.
That's what we see. We see it all the time when I visit college campuses.
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We could talk about why that is or conjecture, but better question is, why should biblically Christians care about Israel, which seems to be a rather simple answer. You know, Genesis 12 says, and I'm a person in the book, Charlie.
Oh, bless you, bless me, right? That's right. I'm a simple guy.
It says, if you bless Israel, you'll be blessed, and if you curse Israel, you're going to be cursed. Now, there are a lot of people that don't believe the Scripture, or they don't believe that Old Testament passages still live for today, and that we can kind of pick and choose like we're going through the cafeteria line.
But for those of us who are what I would call Bible-centered believers, we don't have the option of picking and choosing. We accept it because it's the Word of God.
So that's part of it. But what troubles me is that many young people have been raised in churches that kind of gave them a soft shoe on the Bible.
They went to colleges and universities that told them that, yeah, these things were once important, but they're not anymore. And there also have been

universities where Middle East studies programs have been fully funded by Islamic nations who have spent billions of dollars brainwashing the little darlings whose parents sent them to college thinking they were going to learn some wonderful things about the world. But they basically turned into almost jihadists.

And they're out now marching in the streets

carrying Hamas flags and saying, from the river to the sea, and they have no idea what they're even talking about. And I've often said, a trip to Israel, seeing it for themselves, don't take my word for it.
When I take people, and as I said a moment ago, I've taken tens of thousands of people, I don't try to tell them what they think, how they ought to think about it.

I walk them through the land of the Bible, and I ask them, open your eyes, open your ears, absorb, and go home and tell people what you saw.

I don't have to tell you what you saw.

You saw it for yourself.

Now, just simply accept that and share it with the world.

You said 53 years you've been going to Israel? 52. First trip is 73.
So I imagine you have some fun stories. Yeah.
Tell us one or two of your just, let's just say, deepest spiritual moments in Israel. I mean, 52 years, that's an extraordinary amount of time to visit a country.
One of the most impactful moments that I had in Israel was when I had taken my children, and in particular, when Sarah was 11 years old. She's now the governor of Arkansas.
She's doing a great job. I think so, but I'm not objective.
I tell people I'm as objective about Sarah as governor as the New York Times is about Donald Trump, so there you go. But I think she's doing great.
But a lot of what she is about really was impacted by her experience when she was 11 years old. I took my children there.
She was 11, very young, but I wanted her to go to Yad Vashem, which is really the center dedicated to the memory of the Holocaust victims. And it is impactful.
It is very emotional. It is graphic.
And frankly, back then, it was even far more graphic. They kind of toned it down because so many Jewish people were traumatized by what they saw of what happened in the Holocaust.
But I took Sarah, and I walked her through, and her mother and I decided that if it got too emotional for her, too overwhelming, that I would take her out. But I wanted her to see it.
I wanted her to understand what happens when people utterly reject God, they become their own God, and what is it that they are capable of doing to other human beings? And up until October 7th, the Holocaust was the most graphic way of an educated, enlightened people. Let's not forget, these were not tribal people.
The Germans who created the Third Reich, who did this to Jewish people and to others as well, they were the most advanced, scientifically brilliant people on the planet, more than folks in the U.S. The great theologians of the world were in Germany.
This was not a depraved society, but they gave themselves over to depravity. That's what we have to remember.
And what they did to the Jewish people and to people of infirmity and people who maybe had an ethnicity they didn't want to experience, it's so unthinkable. Well, I took Sarah through there, and when we came to the end of Yad Vashem, having seen the pictures and just watched what happened, there was a guest book where you sign when you leave, and you put your name and address, and then there's a place for comments.
She had reached up in my pocket, took the pen from my pocket, and she wrote in her 11-year-old scrawl of a handwriting, her name and her address, and then she paused, and where it said for comments, I watched over her shoulder to see what would she say. Because I wanted to understand, did she get it? Did this sink in? And I'll never forget, Charlie, what she wrote.
Simple words. Why didn't somebody do something? She put the pen back in my pocket.
That's all she said. Why didn't somebody do something? It was inconceivable to her as an 11-year-old child that these atrocities could happen and that people would simply look the other way and pretend that it didn't matter.
That shaped her in a way that I watch almost every day as her tenure as governor goes forth, And I'm thinking that that spine, that sense of courage, that sense of clearly delineating right versus wrong, I know where that came from. And it happened in that day in Yad Vashem when she was 11 years old.
Can you speak to just some of the people you've brought to Israel and how you've seen it change them? I'm sure you've brought skeptics who gave their life to the Lord in Israel. Do you have such stories you could share? So many.
I've seen people who came having lost a spouse or a child within the year, and it was a point of closure. And one of the things I've always been amazed by, and I'll tell the group when I get them there, somewhere along this trip, there's going to be a moment, and it'll be different for each one of you.
Maybe it's at the Jordan River. Maybe it's at the Sea of Galilee.
Maybe it's at the Garden Tomb. It might be at the Western Wall.
And it may be at Masada. But somewhere on this trip, God is going to show up in your life.
And he's going to get all over you. And it's going to be a transformational moment.
I don't know why he's going to show up when he does and what he's going to be telling you. Just be prepared.
Charlie, I've never been disappointed to watch, but I've seen widows who were dealing with the loss of their husband, and they just broke down in tears, and it was cleansing. I've seen parents who had to deal with a drug-addicted child and estranged from a child, and they came to peace with that.
There's something about the land of Israel. I mean, think about it.
This is where the Bible was written. It's where the prophets...
It's where it happened. It's where it happened.
I've said, if you go to Gettysburg, one important piece of history happened there. It's a very important piece.
But one thing happened in Gettysburg. If you go to Jerusalem, everywhere your foot touches.
That's right. There's 20 layers of biblical history, God history, that you're stepping on.
You can't exhaust it. That's why when people would ask me, don't you get tired of going over there? And I said, I learn something new every time.
I'm never exhausted. I get on the plane to come home, and I'm thinking, when can I get back? I feel the same.
It's just, it's addictive. Best trip I ever made with Israel.
The second best trip I ever made with Israel. I totally understand that.
I was there for the embassy opening. That's the first time I went.
I was too, yes. So we were both there.
And we didn't know each other as well back then, but it was quite a ceremony. I wept, you know, because I've been hearing this country talk about we're going to move the embassy.
Every president, Democrat and Republican, promised we're going to move the embassy to Jerusalem. We're going to acknowledge that Jerusalem is the eternal indigenous capital.
Congress passed it. Yeah, Congress passed it, but they created an escape so that every president could always say, well, the timing is not right.
We'll wait. Here's a great story about that.
My daughter was working at the White House as press secretary. President Trump announced he was going to move the embassy.
Every world leader, and I mean every world leader, no exceptions, begged him not to do it.

Everyone in the State Department begged him not to do it.

Most of his staff begged him not to do it.

Members of Congress who publicly said they wanted to move the embassy, oh, yeah, move the embassy,

quietly and privately went to him and said, don't do it.

The world will blow up.

He did it anyway. I was at the White House, had a moment to visit with him, just the two of us.
And so with no one else there, I just said, Mr. President, I'm curious.
Everyone told you not to do it. Your military people, diplomatic forces, everybody said don't do it.
Why did you do it? Charlie, I'll never forget what he said. He just said, well, because I said I was going to do it, and it's the right thing to do.

It was at that moment I said, now that is an executive.

That is a leader.

That's the kind of person I want to be president of the United States.

No hand-wringing.

None of this, well, on one hand we have these, and on the other.

None of that.

It was, I said I was going to do it, and it's the right thing to do. And I said, that is my president.
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And so I really believe that in some ways your life's work is almost culminating in this role.

Do you feel that, that it has been almost a secret preparation for you for this?

Not something that you were intentionally striving?

Yeah, wouldn't I fill out an application?

But quite frankly, since my childhood, I mean, I can now look back and see this pathway.

And I really feel like that it is a God thing. I really do.
And my wife feels the same way. Is she excited to take up the residence? You know, she is.
And it is a big deal because at first, you know, she was a little shell-shocked and said, what am I going to do? What am I going to wear? Yeah, of course. But, you know, I think both of us, we were stunned because we were not expecting.
It wasn't like we'd been lobbying for this and hoping for this. Like most government positions.
Exactly. It caught us off guard completely.
And it took us a few weeks to kind of get used to the idea we're going to be packing up and moving halfway around the world and figuring out how to get our dogs over there. You know, the important things.
But then there was a moment at which it was very clear God just turned our hearts

and set our hearts toward Jerusalem and toward this mission, and that's how we both see it.

We are being sent on a mission from our country that we love, from our president that we love,

to a land that we have come to love and respect and appreciate and feel a biblical sense of place for. So all of those things that have come together, and especially after these many visits of 52-plus years.
The last thing I want to talk about a little more broad is looking more at America and less about Israel. You've seen a lot of elections.
You see a lot of ups and downs. Your reaction of where we stand and what we've just lived through in this last calendar year? We saved this country.
I mean, to be blunt, this nation got its second breath. I mean, I really look at what President Trump is doing in his first few days.
You know, presidents are spoken of in their first hundred days. With him, it's his first 100 hours.
He's gotten more done in a hundred hours of his first few moments than most presidents do in a hundred days or, my gosh, for their entire four year, eight year term. But here's what I think people are missing.
If President Trump had been reelected in 2020, and I think he should have been, and perhaps he was, I don't know. But let's just say, had he been, the extraordinary pressure that had already been pushed on him, the nonsense of impeachments and criminal indictments and all of this stuff, it would have been a tough row to hoe for those second four years.
I think you're right. Instead, he has four years for two things to happen.
One, what happens when completely unhinged liberals run the government? Now you got it. The people turn against it.
You see it. These are people who did things that even sane Democrats looked at and said, that's crazy.

What do you mean that a boy, 18, can go into a girl's locker room, take his clothes off,

and the girls are supposed to take theirs off in that same locker room and not feel like that's strange?

I mean, we were living in crazy times.

Inflation out of control and the government telling us, it's great.

The economy's good.

Just because you don't feel it doesn't mean it's wonderful. And we were looking at this.
We see wars breaking out. Russia invades Ukraine.
We have the Gaza situation, none of which happened under Trump. So two things.
One, in the dashboard, through the windshield, you see what happens when the government is turned over to the liberals, and they have it all to themselves. The second thing, President Trump has four years to plan, to envision, to develop the kind of government will turn this around and get America back on track.
And suddenly the America First concept of stopping the insanity of open borders, transgenderism, endless wars, schizophrenic foreign policy that one day says to Israel, we're with you 100 percent the next day, you better do it our way or we pull our support from you. That kind of everything.
And he's able to stand and say, here's what we will do. And it was leadership with conviction and with certainty.
The trumpet was blowing a certain sound. What is your call to action and the people watching at home? Pray for this president.
Pray for his safety. I don't say that lightly.
We saw what almost happened in Butler, Pennsylvania. Pray for his stamina, although I don't know that you have to.
I've never seen a man like him. My gosh.
I want to say it's supernatural, but it's close. It is just, people have no idea.
If they've never been around him, they can't get over it. My daughter, she would sometimes say, Dad, he's wearing us all out.
We're half his age, a third of his age, and he's killing us. He was up for 100 hours straight at the end of the election.
Yeah. Straight.
Just unbelievable. Making phone calls.
I mean, I have stories. And when I'm around him, I say, I need to, where's me out? Charlie, I don't know of anyone other than Donald Trump who has the energy you do.
My gosh. I have a lot of energy, and he runs circles around me.
Well, but you run a close second to Donald Trump, and yet it's unbelievable.

So I always say pray for the man, pray for our country, and pray that our members of Congress will have spine, backbone, that they will stand with him and recognize this is

a one-in-a-lifetime chance to get this country back on track.

And when I mean back on track, I don't mean becoming more Republican.

It's not that.

You know, Donald Trump has brought people who are Democrats.

He's brought people who have never voted for a Republican before.

He's really built an American agenda, not a Republican agenda.

When people say, well, he's not all that conservative, I say, you don't understand.

He's not an ideological president.

He's a pragmatic president.

And I said, if you look for him to be on the horizontal spectrum, left, right, and where on that spectrum, you're going to miss the whole thing. Pragmatism in him means this.
He has two questions with which he approaches an issue. Does it work? And will it be better? That's it.
If somebody says, well, that may be kind of a liberal idea. Doesn't matter to him.
Does it work? And will it make America better? Those are the criteria. That's pragmatic governance.
That's what the American people want. Governor, thank you so much.
Charlie, thank you. And so when timeline, do you know yet? I don't.
I mean, as soon as the Senate puts me through the grinder and, you know, I'm starting those meetings right away. Thank you.
And I will come visit you. Please do.
In Jerusalem. Please do.
But let's not say next

year in Jerusalem. Let's say this year.
I was going to say this August in Jerusalem. This year

in Jerusalem. Absolutely.
I love it. Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email us,

as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless.