Gustavo: A Venezuelan Love Story

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I am now the most famous Venezuelan you know. Right now? Right now.
You? Yes. That you know.
That you personally know. Maybe you can be Venezuelan, but you have to answer me like three important words from Venezuela.
Okay. Do you think you know the meaning of three words from Venezuela? You give me the words and I'll see if I understand them.
Okay. I'll go easy on you on the first one.
If you don't know the first one, I'll stand up and I'll leave the reason. I'm not making it into Venezuela? All right.
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Welcome back to the commercial break. I'm Brian Green.
This is the Chica to my gringo, Chris and Joy Hoadley. Best to you, Chris.
Best to you, Brian. Best to you out there in the podcast universe.
A special Saturday episode of the commercial break because you didn't ask, but we're giving it to you anyway. Celebrating the very first international match here in the Miami Stadium of Venezuela versus the United States this afternoon, 3 p.m.
I think you can watch it on Max, TNT, and a couple other places. So here we are giving you a special episode to celebrate this very unique meeting of two lovely countries, the United States and Venezuela, soon to be much more similar than ever before.
Now crunchier than before.

20% more Venezuela.

We're here in the studio on this special day.

Again, we decided to put this out on Saturday because the Venezuela-USA match is happening today.

And we've got a very special guest here at the house.

My brother-in-law, Gustavo.

Gustavo. Gustavo.
International man of mystery. Gustavo.
He's an international man of mystery. Seven and a half feet tall.
We actually have to adjust the camera angle to get him all in. I'm not sure the whole curtain gets it.
He is really tall. He's a big boy.
I love it. And he eats me out of house and home every time he comes.

Every time he comes here to my house, I tell Astrid that we have to put an extra $300 in the grocery budget. And here's a couple of reasons why.
Gustavo will sit. Like, I know I have a bad cream and cereal addiction that rears its ugly head from time to time, usually in the winter because I can hide it with clothing.
Gustavo will sit and eat an entire family box of cereal, family-sized box of cereal

in one sitting, which is amazing to me.

I don't even, I think I was doing too much cocaine to really like go through that growth

spurt where I ate a ton of food in one sitting, but it still amazes me that any human being

can sit and eat as much food as Gustavo.

He's a growing boy. He's a growing boy i think he's like 25 years old but when do men stop growing 30 i don't know when do we stop growing 30 and women stop growing at like 26 or something like that something and then we start shrinking our dicks get smaller our ears get larger our nose hair gets longer and we get smellier and less intelligent women just age gracefully through the years and that's how it goes gustavo is a huge boy and it's just the amount of food that he eats is immense chrissy it's immense but he's here he's celebrating the engagement uh the recent engagement congratulations With his lovely fiance, Ale, who has been, I mean, as long as I've, they have been together.
I think I mentioned this on the show before. They've been together.
For 12 years? 12 years. So he was three when they met or something like that.
I can't do the math real quick, but they've been together since they were like in high school. So high school, sweethearts.
Gust here. It's such a love story.
It is kind of a love story. Can you imagine getting married to your high school sweetheart? Yeah.
I don't know. No, I cannot.
Chrissy goes, yeah, I can. I mean, I can picture it for some people.
But for me, I am glad that I did not marry my high school sweetheart. I really still to this day have an affinity for my high school sweetheart, but I don't see us being married.

I think if we had gotten married, it would have been a hot train wreck of a marriage.

But she turned out to be a lovely human being, and I still communicate sometimes with her.

Yeah.

Jeff's parents had been together since kindergarten.

No.

Grew up together.

We're together, together, together until, yeah. Really? together until yeah really yeah kindergarten isn't that weird the moms were friends and so then they got to know each other that way and yeah they've known each other since kindergarten obviously they weren't boyfriend and girlfriend in kindergarten but they knew each other and were friends from from from kindergarten and then they that blossomed into a love and into a marriage and three wonderful boys from it when was your first boyfriend when did you have like your first like boy that you would come home and like a crush you know like a grade school crush fourth or fifth grade fourth or fifth grade you waited a while i think i was in first or second grade i can still remember the name of the girl i mean i won't say it here on air but i can still remember the name of the girl and here's the funny thing like i'm not gonna say it never mind i'll tell it to you off air i don't want to start family drama so i'm not gonna start family drama but um okay fourth or fifth grade yeah i mean listen do you believe that if you have a best friend or a soulmate like jeff or whatever it is, do you believe that it's possible you all were connected in a different… Yes.
You know, time frame, universe, multiverse, whatever. Wrinkle in time.
Wrinkle in time, and then you had to find each other or you found each other. I think so.
I think so too. Feels like that.
Yeah. Someone you knew in a past life.
It freaks me out to think about that because I think it's very possible in this multiverse theory that I have in my head that's kind of crazy and based on many LSD trips. I think that it's possible that Astrid could have been my brother in a different universe or my best friend or a dog that I like very much.
Or we were both possums or something like that. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, I think it's possible that it wasn't about some love story that continued, like romantic love story.
It could have been something else altogether, a friend, a brother. You just recognize that soul.
You recognize them. And so, it's amazing to me, as we talk about Venezuela and the United States, it's amazing to me that I found my soulmate, even though she was many countries away, like completely somewhere else, doing something else on a different trajectory than I was.
And then our worlds collided, which is weird. And Jeff showed up as your next door neighbor.
He did, yeah. And when we first started talking and getting to know each other, we realized we had a ton of people in common, a ton of friends in common, and places that we had been at the same time together, and we just never had met.
Yeah, so when you think about this, it's either the multiverse theory, or Jeff and Chrissy are Ross and Rachel. One of the two, when you think about

it. I mean, that's kind of strange.
I think the same thing about like my best, some of my best

friends, like you, maybe we were connected in a different life somehow, some way.

I think so, because we definitely recognized each other, I think, when we first met.

We did. I had seen your name on the wall and a picture, and I said, that's Chrissy Hoadley.

Or what I affectionately refer to as just Hoadley Doadley. Yeah, so amazing to think about all the different ways we are entangled.
And Astrid and I, you know, obviously two different countries, two different experiences, two different cultures, all those things kind of washed away when we met each other and the love story persisted. The language of love, the universal language of love.
Universal language of thirst trap. Yes, that's right.
Brian, the universal language of… I'm just glad that what your heart wanted this time was correct. I think even in the worst of relationships, you're still drawn to that person for some reason.
They have to teach you a lesson. Do you know what I'm saying? That's true.
So, like, you know, I had Nacho Potato the dog before when Astrid and I met. She got me a dog, I think mainly to keep me in the house for some, you know,

I had to come home to feed the dog. She was smart.
She was smart in that way. She said, let me get the guy a dog.
And that way he can't be out. Being a dog, he has to go take care of the dog.
I put Nacho Potato down because he was a danger to himself and other people. I've told that story on air.
It was a terrible, it was one of the most heartbreaking things I've ever done, actually. And yeah, that gives me a chill just to think about it.
But anyway, then a year later, we get Blue. And so part of me believes that Blue is just nacho potato ruining the rest of my life for making that terrible decision to put him down in that particular life.
He has come back to haunt me in the form of a female, we call her a Yorkie, but I don't think that is, trailer park Yorkie, blew the trailer park Yorkie. She is.
And so, and in some way, I think that Venezuelans in general, at least for me personally, Venezuelans in general, were meant to be a part of my life. That culture has taught me some things that maybe I missed because of where I was born and the household I grew up in.
No fault of theirs because they're a product of the way that they grew up.

Well, and weirdly, another connection is that when you first started dating Astrid and we were telling me where she was from, that is where my dad lived. That's right.
When he was young. He lived in Caracas.
He did. That's so strange.
Yeah. Why was your dad living in Caracas? Because my grandfather, his dad.
Was in the oil business? Yes, in the oil business. He was a geologist.
Yeah. So they lived in Venezuela.
That's where my dad was born. And then they lived in Africa and different parts of the world.
Wow. Through that.
Your dad had an interesting upbringing. He did.
Yeah. And it's not strange that there's a lot of Venezuelans here in Atlanta either because Georgia Tech is a place where a lot of Venezuelans went to school to learn about engineering for the oil business.
And then, you know, the Venezuela, I think the government would sponsor them to go to some of these more technical schools to learn some of this stuff so they could bring that knowledge back and drill for the oil out there, which has made that country very rich.

And I'm not going to get into the politics because there is the politics of talking about politics about Venezuela.

And we do still have family down there.

But, you know, it's just it's it's all like it just seems weird to me now that I look back on it after some time. Now that I'm in my late 70s, I'm reflecting on my life.
And I'm thinking about all the different ways that Venezuela, the word Venezuela and the Venezuelan culture kind of made a runway up to where I am today, including just being placed here in Atlanta. It's just kind And so, yeah.
So, I think we've been trying to do this for a long time. He has...
We finally nabbed him. Been scared shitless.
Yes. We were like, you're doing it.
I'm doing it. Only after we had that reel go viral did Gustavo make the decision that he wanted to come on because he said, well, I want followers too.
So after a long time of poking and prouding Gustavo, we have finally gotten him to agree to come on the show. He's a highly interesting young man currently living in Houston and going to school with his fiance, Ale.
Why don't we do this? Let's take a short break. If it's okay with you, Chrissy has volunteered to give the chair up.
And this is this is not because we don't want chrissy here this is because honestly we are the only way to work we are so technically challenged in the first place yeah adding another microphone in a chair no no no no let's just pretend let's just pretend it's chrissy for a minute so chrissy's gonna step out when we get back it'll be gustavo and i chitting and chatting about all things venezuela and i think you'll find that And if you don't, fuck you. Go watch the game after this.
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So see you tomorrow. Bye.
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And now Chrissy has stepped out of the room so that we can have just a chat, him and I, because I think he's a little bit nervous. He doesn't want a crowd here.
Absolutely. But the very lovely, always welcome in my studio, probably the first commercial break fan ever, I would assume.
Yeah. Gustavo.
He's even got a song about him here on the show. That's right.
Gustavo. Officially, the man of mystery is mysteries here you are a man of mystery in a lot of ways like you and i find you to be mysterious there are something you had such an open book in so many ways there's really not a lot to be hidden but then in other ways you are a complete mystery to me here's a mystery that i have that i've shared with the listeners on the show but now that you're're here, this is my brother-in-law, by the way.
He's talked about a lot on the show. You better be careful.
Yeah, I know. Who do you think would win? If you and I got in an argument, who do you think your sister would favor? Matias.
She would run away. It's probably a smart thing to do, actually.
I wouldn't pick sides either. I'd be like, I'm out of this one.
I'm out of this one. That's what she would do.
You were here over Thanksgiving, and you had an engagement ring burning a hole in your pocket. You didn't help me.
And yet, you didn't ask me for help. You didn't sell my signs.
What subtle signs? I couldn't say that in front of my fiance. You couldn't have just pulled me.
I was telling you. What were you thinking about? You were giving me the ring finger like this? Yeah.
He was dropping secret notes in my late night cereal and cream bowl. And I just didn't get it.
I ate them. You can check your phone.
You can answer me. First of all, congratulations on the engagement.
Thank you so much. Ali is a wonderful woman.
And you're lucky to have her. You're lucky you have anyone.
Why do you love? What's that? Because I know you. Because I know you and i know her you know there's a saying in a in english you've outclassed it right you've i don't know what that means oh you married up okay you're gonna marry up okay so to speak and and i hope i get a good place at the wedding i just want a front row seat to see if this actually depend after this this episode okay we'll see how that how that goes.
Yeah. How did you ask LA to marry you is the question that's burning everybody's...
Okay. So we went to a lake really close to our place.
In Texas. Yeah.
Yeah. A beautiful lake, which I had...
What's the name of the lake? Do you even remember? Do you even know? It has a silly name, Lake Brian. Lake Titicaca.
It's Lake Brian. It wasn't your honor, actually.
Thank you. I appreciate it.
Yeah, so... As most lakes in Texas already.
So, I had to work a lot for that. Yeah? Because, yeah, I had to invite her like 20 times.
You had to invite her 20 times? She didn't want to come. I was going to do it to do it you were going to do it here yeah but astrid and her like they both were like me why are you gonna go there that's like it's so romantic we don't love we don't like that shit anymore so i think this is the funniest story i really do gustavo's gustavo's here and gustavo is his intention is to get alay to waterfall, which is quite beautiful, by the way, to get her to the waterfall so he can romantically propose to her in a natural setting, you know, by themselves.
Like having a romantic moment. That's right.
But Gustavo cannot convince Ale to go, and Astrid does him no favors because she's also like, ah, why do you want to go there? It's cold. It's cold.
No one wants to go there. Yeah, they prefer to play board games with me.
You could have asked her right there at the board games. Well, congratulations in any case.
Congratulations. You're now here in the United States on the student visa program.
Correct. We'll see how long you get to stay.
Yeah. But I'm rooting for you.
I'm rooting for you. I'm rooting for you to stay all the way through.
I'm rooting for me also. Sometimes I have some doubts about me.
Yeah. Well, I have some doubts about whether or not you're going to stay past January 21st.
We'll see how it happens. So, you know, true or false, I am now the most famous Venezuelan you know.
Right now? Right now. You? Yes.
That you know. That you personally know.
Maybe you can be Venezuelan, but you have to answer me like three important words from Venezuela. Okay.
Do you think you know the meaning of three words from Venezuela? You give me the words and I'll see if I understand them. Okay.
I'll go easy on you on the first one. Are these slang words? Do you know what slang means? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay. Yeah.
Yeah. if easy on you on the first one are these slang words do you know what slang

means yeah yeah okay yeah yeah if you don't know the first one i'll stand up and i'll leave the i'm not in i'm not making it into venezuela all right okay what is chevere and give me a sentence Chevre

Chevre

Yeah right

Uncle Google

No

Chevre Uh, chevre, chevre. Yeah, yeah, right, yeah.
Uncle Google? No, uh, chevre. Oh, man.
How do I use it in a sentence? Um, let's say that we went to the Braves game, right? And the Braves won. I would be like, man, that's chevre, right? That's cool, that's awesome.
Congratulations, like, it was awesome. I'll handle it.
Okay. Is that fair enough? Yeah.
You are not Chevre. No.
That's right? No, I'm a 48-year-old white guy. That's right.
You're not Chevre. I'm not Chevre.
You're right. You're good.
I haven't been Chevre in 10 years. You're good.
Okay. What is a Roomba? It's the thing that cleans your floor.
Roomba. On your wedding? Yes.
After the official wedding, the ceremony, we had a Roomba. A Roomba is like a little get-together with cocktails.
A little informal party or a formal party? A really good party. A really good party.
Oh, a really good party. Like a hotel, a jam.
I don't know if you passed that one i think no i don't think i passed that one no i honestly thought rumba was the thing that closed no i thought rumba was like um i didn't think it was a party yeah i thought it was like a festival i thought rumba was like going to a festival rumba could be any like any party okay all right all. Give me another one.
The last one. That's easy.

One of your girls know this word really well.

Coñazo.

Coñazo.

I don't know.

I have no idea what coñazo means.

I'll give you a coñazo

if you don't behave.

A spanking.

That's what we always say.

A spanking?

Like a hitting?

Like a slapping?

A beating?

Yeah.

Coñazo means a beating?

That's right.

Really?

Yeah.

Like I'm going to

take you outside

and give you a coñazo.

That's why I always ask yes to you. Like I'm going going to give you a conness.
It's not a gift. Yeah.
That's right. I think the first Venezuelan slang that I...
Okay, so, you know, Raphael. Yeah, of course.
Raphael's mother. He's my cousin, almost.
Yeah, he's my cousin. Yeah, he's my cousin.
He's your cousin. Raphael, just to put the kind of the family tree together for those listening.

Raphael is my best friend, is kind of the connection, the reason why I met Astrid.

And Raphael and I have been friends for 30, almost 30 years.

Raphael's mother, I would listen to her.

She was like one of the first Venezuelans that I knew besides Raphael.

And she's like from Venezuela, right?

Really from Venezuela.

Spent most of her life there. She used this as the word, ecte, ecte, ecte, ecte.
Do you know what this means? I think you forgot the real word. So listen, here's the story.
So then I would go around when I was using Spanish and I would say, ecte, ecte, ecte to Raphael. And he was like, why are you using that dumb word? What does that mean, dude? And I go, doesn't it mean okay? And he goes, no.
That's my mom's terrible way of saying este. She says, este, este, este, este, this, this.
Which is a word that she would use to like a punctuation on something. Like this, you know'm saying? Ecte sounds a lot like you speaking Spanish.
That's Medicaiban I think. Can you explain what Nosotros is? You have a good story with that one.
Tell me the story about Nosotros. So you were on Spanish classes right? I was, I did take Spanish classes for a while.
For like two hours. For two hours a day.
Because you thought the teacher was like hard? Like she was explaining in the Venezuelan way? She was very difficult. Yes.
So you understood the word nosotros. Nosotros.
But you couldn't pronounce it. Oh, that's right.
You couldn't pronounce it. You're reminding me now.
He was like, nos, otros. Nos, otros.
So I would say, nos, otros. Which means nos nos otros otros so i would say nos otros which means we right so i would say nos otros that's right and she would go and not it not do i say but i and do i go but i and that's not how you say it she was about to give you a oh she was insisting gustavo this lady was fucking insane i.
I remember you came scared of her. I was scared of her.
And the thing was, is we were in this... With your notebook with only nosotras reading on the first day.
And it's like a child's Spanish book, right? She's giving like these children's workbooks. And here's the craziest thing about this lady.
We would meet at a Starbucks most of the time. Because when we met at the library for a while, but she was so loud and aggressive that the librarian asked us to make it somewhere else.
So then I would get a conyosin or conyosin, whatever. I would get it at the Starbucks.
Those were your days trying to convince Asri that you were interested in Venezuela. Now I've just given up altogether.
Now I speak English and the Venezuelans like me more. What's going on? I tried to speak Spanish to get in with the Venezuelans.
They didn't accept me. Now I speak English and they love me or hate me, I guess, depending on what it is.
That's right. You better be careful.
So, you know, I didn't have AI when I first met Astrid. The what? AI.
AI. Like chat GPPT or something like that.
Oh, yeah, no, it didn't exist. No.
That's new for you. I don't even think the iPhone existed when I met Astrid.
So, when I met Astrid, you know that one of the first things that I wrote her is basically a Spanish sentence on Facebook. From Google Translate? Yeah, it said, hey, amiga, you know, hola, amiga.
Did someone help you or you used Google Translate?

No, I don't even think that I knew what Google Translate was at the time.

I think I went to the internet and searched out the words that I wanted to say, the words I didn't know in Spanish.

And when I put those words together, it apparently sounded so incredibly dumb that Astrid responded in English.

I can imagine.

Yeah, she was like, listen, I speak English.

You don't need to speak Spanish.

Yeah.

But one of the – if I had known – and I think I found Google Translate pretty quickly after that.

But had AI been around, I think I probably would have gotten with your sister a lot quicker.

It would have been much easier.

Well, you're a good, like good like speaker how do you say that in menesuela we say labia a labia yeah like bullshit flowing out of my mouth like a volcano no but but in a good way you know like when you when you want the confidence of the people like you engage people easily speaking yes it i think you have that talent i think in english you would either say affable or like you might be referred to as a people person okay yeah um but i think that's kind of dumb because i don't know too many people that aren't people persons you know like who doesn't like people or who doesn't have one other person i know some people that don't like people so yeah listen you take me to a place like great wolf lodge and i quickly don't like people yeah that's right that's it that's right so i asked so i asked chat gpt earlier today i said hey chat gpt it's not really chat gpt it's a different one but i'm not going to say the name here on air because they're not a sponsor it's like chat gpt and i said with a g what's that it starts with no i'll show it to you after you go okay i said uh hey if i'm dating someone from venezuela and i want to uh know who they are like i want to i want to impress them what are some of the things i need to know about to impress them that's good right and so they put out a list of things and i think it's pretty dead on i. I want to share it with you.
This is 20 things. We'll go through a few.
Number one, family values. Family is extremely important to the Venezuelan culture.
That's right. Expect to meet family members early on and be prepared for family gatherings at a regular pace.
What it doesn't say is prepare three or four extra bedrooms in your house for a nonstop flow of Venezuela.

That's what I was going to say. Like, you know about that.
That's true. That's sort of true.
Venezuelans, we love to hang out with our family. We're like a whole group together always.
Yes. We hang out together.
And when someone comes to the family, you better become part of the family. You have to become part of the family.
And I think i think that is why quite frankly i feel so indebted and ingrained in the venezuelan culture is because when i met rafael early on here's the story you ready yep rafael and i met at a restaurant okay i was working at one restaurant he was working at the other they were the same restaurant two different locations two little Italian restaurants. The owner wanted him to come work at the one over where I was working.
And I'd been working at this restaurant for like four or five months. Didn't know Raphael, never met him.
He comes over. He's sitting at the end of the bar.
I'm bartending. Quickly, we strike up a conversation.
And fast forward to six or seven hours later, we are incredibly intoxicated at the bar across the street. And his grandparents, where he at the time lived in the townhouse behind that bar like half a mile behind the bar so the bar closes three four in the morning bar closes we are 30 drinks into it i mean we are just shit housed and i'm like i gotta call a cab home and he's like no fuck that dude let's we'll go to this gas station we'll grab a six pack of beer we'll go to where i to my grandparents house where i live place so i said oh i your grandparents are gonna let me stay there and he said my grandparents well they wouldn't have it any other way you need to come to my grandparents house they'll cook us food and i was like they'll be happy if you go there i go this is like waffle house what's.
I had no understanding of Venezuela. Kind of, kind of, yeah.
We walk to the townhouse. We open up the door.
We're trying to be quiet so as not to wake up his grandparents. We go up these little stairs.
We turn the corner. He opens the door.
There's a bed, TV, looks perfect for me, right? Place where I can sleep. A little bit of air blowing on my face and the TV.
So he says, go ahead, brother, go ahead. Go to bed.
I'm going to go brush my teeth and stuff. And I'm like, cool, bro.
See you later. Good night.
And he's like, good night, bro. And I jump in the bed.
On the first day. And I jump in the bed.
And a couple of minutes later, I hear the door open. You woke up the grandpa because he was sleeping in the bed i said no i i hear the door open didn't think anything of it maybe somebody forgot something they don't know me i us irish people we just play dead yeah we're like possums yeah so someone comes in we just play dead we're like that's what you do in that situation yeah you just don't move that's what i do with astrid a lot of times i just play dead i hope that she doesn't recognize You close your eyes and we hearel slides under the covers and i jumped out of that bed so fucking fast i jumped out of that bed and i go whoa whoa whoa whoa and he goes what's what's wrong and i go dude dude it's not like this and he goes like what and i go it's not like this like i i'm sorry i think you got the wrong impression i need to go to the to the movies yes you need to take me out on a date you lured me here with food and grandparents and now you're trying to i don't know what you're trying to do and he was like dude don't freak out and i was like can i just please use the phone i just need to call a cab yeah and i left i literally left at like six in the morning left and that was a shame because when i was leaving his abuela was making arepas for us to eat because she heard us coming in.
That's very mean of you. It was beautiful.
It was wonderful. That was very mean of you.
How can you not trust a Venezuelan? A dude? If you were in the same situation, what would you have done? He was using a beautiful pyjama. I know.
You should have to trust him. He came in like two, three, four days later.
He came in for his first day of work and he was he you know rafa he was like dude what's your problem and i go what's your problem bro i go you we didn't even i didn't know you were gay he goes gay what are you fucking talking about i'm not gay that's what we do yeah he said we're venezuelan yeah how many how many he goes what do you think did that look like a mansion to you do you think we had a bunch of bedrooms? He was like, you're sleeping in my bed.

Yeah, we treat everyone as a family member.

That's right.

And you treated me like a family member since day one.

Well, yeah.

And we almost slept in the same bed too.

Yeah, you took me on a jet ski.

Yeah, so I had to treat you like a brother.

I took you on a jet ski.

When Gustavo and I first met, we went down to Aruba. Yeah.
and you had a couple of beers son I had 12 beers because you were scared before you get there yes of course I didn't know I had like that that appearance you I wasn't so worried about it was more your father who Astrid had warned me about and to be fair your dad had kind of freaked out at least if I was you i'll do the same yeah totally with my dad i

know my dad that's an intimidating man that's the the the other part of venezuelans like we're very nice but sometimes coming from europe some people it's a machismo culture yeah and the men in the family are the men in the family the only girl in the only girl in the family that ought you to And this guy from America is going to take it?

This old bald guy from America?

Just texting me on Facebook?

Sending me a message? Hi, Dad. Yeah.
Still to this day, number one phrase your dad says when he's at this house? Aye, Brian. Aye, Brian.
Aye, Brian. Aye, Brian.
Be careful, yeah. When we went to Aruba, out of respect, and because I'm Irish catholic and i think this is this is like a universal thing for fathers no matter what religion you're in i understood that i would not be sleeping in the same bed as astrid that certainly wasn't going to happen we were just dating not you know not engaged nothing and so astrid slept on the couch and then gustavo and i slept in these two single beds in this second bedroom yeah Yeah, my dad told me like, you better watch this guy.
Did he really? Did he say keep an eye on me? No, I'm just kidding. Just kidding.
But every morning, his dad would come in. He would knock on the door and like seven o'clock in the morning, he'd knock on the door, he'd open it up and he'd be like, I got a ball.
I got a ball. Yeah.
I got a ball and Brian. And Brian.
You better wake up. He's looking for a drinking buddy.

Yeah.

He still does that till these days.

I think the other thing that it's important to know around family values and the family, the kind of the Venezuelan ever expanding family, the extended family, is the fact that if you're married to a Venezuelan or if you're with a venezuelan you better be ready yeah for any and

all family members to be in your space at all times when astrid started inviting you know oh yeah all family members to the house i i already understood this is going to happen because of rafael's family and i've never complained not once not once yesterday we were speaking about Like on the wedding, we had like 20 people in this house.

People right here.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

We had like 20 people in this house. People right here.
Yeah. Yeah.
We had like, how do you? Air mattresses. Air mattresses all around the house.
Futons, couches. There were people sleeping in the attics.
In your bed. Yeah.
I think there was someone. I think some dude came in the house.
Hey, Brian. Is Rafael again here.
Hey Brian, hey chamo Hola chamo

That's right

This AI

application also tells me that

there's warmth and affection with the Venezuelan

people. They tend to be warm and affectionate

Public displays of affection are common

and expressing feelings openly

is appreciated

I think it's generally true

I don't think it's like universally true

but I think it's generally true

You guys like to give a hug, high five. We like to touch each other and hang out, kisses, hugs.
Yes. Music and dance.
Oh, a lot. Yeah, you're always...
Every kind of music. You're always...
Mostly Latin music, reggaeton, salsa, merengue. What's your favorite, that country, Venezuelan country music that you like? Oh, Llanera? Yeah, the one you were listening to yesterday.
Yeah, man. That's not my favorite.
I like some, but my favorite will be like merengue, I think. Merengue? Yeah, merengue tongue.
There was a mix between merengue and reggaeton, which was really nice. Do you know chino and Nacho? Nacho and potato? Yeah, that's right.
Nacho and taco? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a great duo.
Yeah? They did a lot of great music. I think we went and saw Nacho.
Did Astrid and I get to see Nacho? Well, I think Astrid saw Nacho, you were on your phone watching Pearl Jam or something. I wasn't.
I actually watched it. She's taken me a number of Venezuelan concerts.
I've enjoyed all of them i went and saw the brother five brothers what are they the five guys the backstreet boys of boss bass yeah boss bass that's a really good yes and then i saw the old guy up in chicago the very famous venezuelan the very famous old guy who sings like ballads and love songs and i asked her i'll have to tell you who it is you don't remember the name i don't remember the name the old guy yeah and the o simon yeah simon is that his name one of the most famous venezuelan famous singers i think you might be right about that i have no idea no no i don't think it was tio simon google tio simon Reggaeton? Reggaeton and merengue.

Yeah.

You're into reggaeton?

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Who's your favorite reggaeton?

Reggaeton singer?

Yeah.

You had it here in the TV show.

You don't know how...

I was proud of Brian for the first time in my life when he had Nicky Jam.

This is a moment of great pride for Gustavo.

As a matter of fact, I don't think Nicky Jam would have even been on the show. Actually, my favorite is Nicky Jam, Wizny Yandel.
Daddy Yankee? Yeah, and Daddy Yankee. Those were the real creators of reggaeton.
But right now, I like a lot of reggaetons. Are you guys getting into American music? I mean, I know you're into a lot of American.
You know, Taylor Swift. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I'm a Swifty right now. You are a Swifty.
You made me a Swifty. No, this house house this house will make you a swifty yeah if you enter here everybody's great shit about taylor swift i really like country music no every every time i go hunting we play some country music which is really nice but you know country music in america is not really country anymore are you listening to like the newer country music? I can't even tell you.
What's a conversation? I like the rhythm and the songs. I like a lot of country music.
I also really like rock, but I don't like heavy metal stuff. I got to know Michael Jackson.
Yeah. He could be like a gathering to reggaeton.
Yeah. Into rock.
I'm sorry. I said reggaeton.
Into rock this last year. Michael Jackson.
So I started to understand that I like some rock music. Michael Jackson is more pop music.
But it has some rock songs, right? It does have rock elements into it. It's got guitars, it's got solos and stuff like that.
One of the other things that to the venezuelans if you're if you find yourself looking to date a venezuela by the way some of the most beautiful human beings in the world are venezuelans women the women there yeah are beautiful you're saying that because of your wife i'm definitely saying that because you don't want to have gotten you don't want to go yes after you finish the show i't want to be spending the night in Raphael's bed. Yeah, yeah.
But the cuisine, of course, is important, too. You've got your ayakas.
Yeah. You've got your pan de jamón.
Your favorites, the ayakas. Ayakas.
I just can't stand them. I don't know.
Why do you have to put raisins in it? Why raisins? She put a little bit of everything, and everyone has to touch it. Do you like raisins in your ayakas? I'm talking to Ellie off camera.
Do you like raisins in the ayakas? I eat everything. I know you do, but you're a young man.
You're growing. When I was very young, I didn't like raisins or olives.
But right now, I just understand. You have to eat it all, and it's good.
I had this conversation with Joanna Hausman, and she said, I don't like the mix either. I don't like it.
Yeah, yeah. It's not for everyone.
But it reminds me of home. That's right.
And for that reason, I like it. Is the Ayakas kind of throw out the garbage food? Like, let's take all the stuff we have left over.
No, no, no. Families spend a lot of time cooking Ayakas.
No, I know they do, but did it originate as kind of like a throw at the garbage food you don't know i i i know a story from from my school i

know if true but some some like uh indians from venezuela how do you say native native venezuelans

indigenous indigenous so they used to have like the plantain leaf and they will ask like their they were slaves so they were asking like their people like allá there aka so like they will start putting some food on the leaf yeah and so that's what they told us in school i don't know that was like. Yeah, they would start using the plants and leaves.
That's very interesting. I don't know if it's true, but it has some sense.
So the indigenous, who were slaves, would ask their masters for whatever food was left over. Yeah, correct.
Can you put it here? Can you put it here? And they would roll it up, steam it, eat it. I don't know if that's true, but it makes some sense.
At least for a kid's star, it's good.

I hate to hear about the slaves, but, you know,

the ayakas is generally the only food

that Astrid has ever introduced me to,

or anybody Venezuelan has introduced me to,

that I don't care for.

I just generally don't like the ayakas.

But everything else, I'm on board with.

I remember your face the first time we were, like, cooking ayakas.

Yes.

You were like, I'm running out of this place. I need to go to Starbucks and McDonald's.
Both together. Give me some cream and some cereal and a cheeseburger, please.
That's right. I can deal.
The reason why I ran out of the room, the reason why I turned my nose in disgust was not because I saw that everyone was doing this with love and with care. It's that I had had them before.
Maybe you guys make them better. Maybe I should try them all over again.
Maybe it's different from family to family. My mom will be very proud of you if you try one of her.
It's like a yearly. But I understand that you were afraid because we were all like in a yellow oil with bags and gloves.
And it was like, what are you guys doing here? I understand understand that we went to drop something off to go send it to venezuela and at the time you you know and still to this day you can't just send something directly to venezuela from the united states it's got to go on a boat or it's got to go through another country because of all of the trade restrictions around venezuela so when you want to send something you box it up and you go to a guy that lives in a shack and that dude in the shack boxes everything up with other stuff that's going to venezuela then he rents out space on a boat he puts it on a boat he gets there seven weeks later so we went one time to this place and i'm telling you gustavo uh the guy gave us a box of frozen... This was like February when he gave us a box of frozen Ayakas.
There must have been 600 Ayakas as a gift. He just gave it to Astrid.
And it was a box full of Ayakas. Those were leftovers.
Those were leftovers. And they weren't very good at all.
I can imagine. No one liked that.
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And we're back here with my brother-in-law, Gustavo, joining us in the studio. Chrissy has stepped out for a few minutes to allow Gustavo to take the throne.
Thank you, Chrissy. Congratulations.
You don't get Chrissy out of that throne very easy. This is an honor.
Yeah. Thank you, Chrissy.
Actually, lots of people have sat in that seat. We wanted you to be out of fear, but you didn't give that seat to anyone.

You know, the funny thing is that Chrissy came in today, and we were trying to figure out how we get all three of us in this camera angle.

I just couldn't work it out.

We didn't have an extra good microphone, stuff like that.

And Chrissy said, well, I'll go, or you can step out, and I'll talk to Gustavo.

And I was like, you're going to let my brother-in-law be in here? We all want you to get out of the studio for like an hour, especially my sister. That's my, I think Astrid really does want me to be out of the studio for an hour.
We're talking about things that are important to know if you're going to be in a relationship with Venezuela.enezuelan now you know astrid ale and gustavo

are taken so none of us are on the block but just in case we've been talking through some of the things we just got done with cuisine ticcanios are my favorite venezuelan import to this house for real more than cachapas because you're you're a cachapa lover there was a time during the pandemic, when I ate

cachapas every

night, probably for

probably for three or four months, every single night. A cachapa is a corn cake that is fried, and then you put butter and you put cheese on it.
So it's like cornmeal, butter, cheese. You can put lots of different stuff on it, but that's how we prepare them here.
Yeah, that's the classic one. The butter and the corn.
I want to tell the Americans what this is like. This is like going and getting a really good corn on the cob and then smearing it with salted butter.
And it's so delicious and juicy and wonderful. And then you put on top of that the white cheese.
Yeah, like a fresh cheese. Yeah, like a fresca cheese, like something that's native.
Sometimes they put some pork in Venezuela also. Oh, they put pork on cachapas? Sometimes.
The classic one is just with cheese. But the ones with pork are really good.
What is your favorite Venezuelan food? I'll say pavillon, for sure. Pavillon? Pavillon.
What's a pavillon? Yeah, it's like shred meat with tejadas, plantain. You know the tejadas? Okay, okay.
Beans, rice, and I'm missing something. No, those four, yeah.
All together? It's mixed together? You can mix it, but it's like they separate. Okay, so it's like a dish.
It's a dish, yeah. It's really good.
So let me ask you this. The shredded meat that's like marinated in something? Yeah, they have like this seasoning, this Venezuelan seasoning that is really good.
Have I had that? Yeah, that's like the shredded beef that Astrid makes. Yeah, you have tried that from my mom and I do that a lot.
Absolutely. You know, the other thing that I don't care for is plantains.
I know a lot of people love plantains, but... Man, that's really mean of you.
I know. I think if Astrid had to claim a food...
You have to work on that. You have to work on that.
Well... Start eating just plantains.
It's a little sweet for me to just start eating plantains. No, that's like one of the favorite foods for Venezuelans.
I one time told. We always eat plantains like in like barbecues, like every time we're eating plantains, for real.
But yeah, I think plantains is a staple. staple but to me it's a sweet food so it doesn't go in the like the hearty category if that makes sense you prefer having a chocolate with with the plantain it's more a dessert for you i prefer having ice cream with plantains rather than me with ice cream yeah i see astro eating steak and plantains and i'm like that's like putting chocolate on a hamburger i don't get it but some people like that combination while they're sitting there.
With ice cream. You can take it.
Yeah, I see Astrid eating steak and plantains, and I'm like, that's like putting chocolate on a hamburger.

I don't get it.

But some people like that combination

while they're sitting there.

I prefer to split my meals up,

and that is a very American thing to do.

You have your salties,

and then you have your sweets,

or you do it the other way around,

whatever it is.

You don't mix those two together.

Very rarely happens.

And I think,

as close as that comes for me,

is a cachapa,

because it's a little sweet. It's got the butter that's salty.
salty yeah and then you've got the cheese that adds a little bit of flavor uh to it i one time made them you have you had roti do you know roti is roti the soup the spicy soup that it's made uh i'm not in much into spicy flavors but i i think i haven't tried that i think that's the one thing that surprises me about you and your father, and I guess Venezuelans in general, including Rafael, is you have such an aversion to spicy foods. I don't know.
My dad likes a little bit of hot sauces and stuff, but for me, it's not like... I prefer sweet flavors.
Yeah no venezuelan man that i have known really well has liked spicy foods it's just one of those mexican thing it really is a mexican thing and if there's one thing your dad loves it's mexican food that's right there's one thing that daniel loves it's that mexican food that's right's right. What did he tell me one time?

He said he was working in Mexico?

Yeah, because he used to work in Mexico.

What's the story he told?

Well, he used to travel like six months to Mexico

and he was like eating tacos all day.

So he became a real fan of Mexican food

and spicy stuff.

Oh, he did?

Yeah, he did.

Your sister has always told me

that he's not a fan of tacos.

No, no.

Yeah, he likes tacos. Oh, okay.
He's always talking about the tacos al pastor, which is like the classic one. Yeah, the lamb tacos.
Oh, yeah, they're very good. The street tacos.
I think Astrid has been secretly saying that because she doesn't want me to go have tacos. I'm talking to Astrid about that.
I think Astrid is using Daniel's in excuse to get me out of Mexican food. Venezuela on girls are strategies girls are strategies too so you can eat her food she doesn't know how to do a tanker so that's not only are they beautiful but they tend to be pretty intelligent too that's right for sure they do that's right all right moving on um social life venezuelans enjoy socializing and often gather with family and friends i find this to be true and here's why i think this is so important to the Venezuelan people, especially now.
Why it's so important, like Astrid, I'm sure Ale feels this way, I'm sure you feel this way, is the Venezuelans are a displaced people. They're a displaced people, and they have been a displaced people.
The indigenous have lived there, but the Spanish came over, they were a displaced people, and now many Venezuelans, most of them, it's kind of been a brain drain, is a displaced people also. It is so important to keep that connection through socialization, family members or not family members, because that is the connection to home.
Home is a thought right now for a lot of Venezuelans. It's not a place.
And because Venezuelans, we were kind of forced to move all around the globe. Yeah.
So, it's not been easy. We have a brother in Spain.
We have family in Florida. We're in Texas.
You're here in Atlanta. So, we're all around.
It's a real challenge. In Mexico, yeah.
All around the world. So, yeah.
And I think you also know that because every time we come visit you, your wife stays with us till 3 in the morning. And we are just speaking through the same stories one and again.
I get it. I have a real longing for that in my own family.
Because that is not how we operate. Our family.
I've said this on the show. I've told Astrid this.
I've probably told my therapist this a million times. in my in my culture and by culture i mean the family that i grew up in and the people in the in the

family of the extended family members we have gatherings are not a thing you linger it's not

a place where you linger it's a place where you get together for a minute and then you go right

and then you're out you don't linger no one spends the night you know how many times i spent the

night at my grandma's house my on my mom's side twice really maybe maybe twice

I don't linger no one spends the night you know how many times i spent the night at my grandma's house my on my mom's side twice really maybe maybe twice we would literally go to a hotel before we would spend that's weird it's very strange now now that i've been embedded in this culture for so long i see just how strange that really was since i joined since a young age i love to spend time like with my cousins yeah i love to stay. You know my godmother.
So I always loved to stay at her place. I was like, please, mom and dad, I want to stay here.
I want to spend the night here to spend time with my cousins, playing games, talking, making jokes. I think it's one of the biggest blessings you can give a child.
Oh, yeah. It's one of the biggest blessings you can impart on someone like me who doesn't have it is the longing for connection with family in that way.
Now, it still takes some getting used to, and it doesn't mean that you're ever like a hundred, like as someone as an outsider, I might always be just a little bit outside the actual like the actual culture then that way but i long for and i love that astrid gets to stay up till three in the morning hanging out with her family i think it's beautiful i really do i always love your face like trying to understand us and just not even understanding at 10 of what we're saying because we were like here's yeah first of all can you guys stop fucking talking over each other just for one second i mean honestly you walk into a room of venezuelans and everybody is having six different conversations at the same time how do you even operate in that manner how do you do it a lot of times we make fun of you and you don't even know i. I hear my name all the time.
But when three of you are saying it at the same time, I can't understand that one of you. And we know the way to make you like instructive.
You're playing a game with me. We love to see your face.
I think it's very difficult to understand Venezuelans if you're trying to learn Spanish. And I've said this many times.
You're all talking over each other that's impossible it's hard you I mean one person saying it relatively slowly to me and then I can I always tell this story to Ale one of my favorite moments from your face is when my mom approaches to you and starts speaking to you in English or Spanish or that combination I love your face like making me, making me sound like, come here and help me. I don't understand anything.
And you're just doing like, yes, mom. Yes, mom.
Yeah, but can we be fair to me? Is that your mom's English needs a little work, just like my Spanish. She has her own dictionary.
But I think your mom's Spanish also needs a little bit of work. It is.
It's not that good at Spanish sometimes either. It is.
It is. It's really hard to understand.
Your mom complained to me a couple, like last year. She complained to me.
She goes, you know, in Spanish, you know, you don't talk to me anymore. You don't want to listen to what I have to say.
You used to talk to me. And I was like, I think you're remembering that incorrectly.
I used to try, but I gave up. I used to try, but I don't understand.
Now, I think me and your mom have this understanding where we try to slow down for each other a little bit more because I really do sometimes have a hard time understanding your mother. But, you know, listen, again, I think probably one of the greatest gifts that's been imparted to me is the gift of the Venezuelan family.
Because without that, I'd just be stuck in my miserable Irish Catholic family. And they're not miserable people.
We just don't operate on the same level. Yeah, your family is great, but yeah.
Different traditions, different cultures. We would never think to sit up till three in the morning playing board games.
I think we'd get way too irritated with each other for that. We'd just all be irritated.
You can do that by watching football games without cheering a lot. It's just like watching the TV.
You go to your space. We are all touching ourselves with our legs on top of the other.
I think, too, is that you're right about this, is that Americans

by and large

grow up with the television as the center

of attention. So when

they grow older and they

have families of their own,

the television is

the center of attention.

So are you trying to say, like, Venezuelans, we don't have

TVs? I don't know what you guys have down there. I haven't been, and I'm probably not going to get to go now.
I'm probably out. You won't.
No, I can't wait to go. Like, Venezuelan was also, like, a big part of TV, of families.
Yeah, because we had a lot of very important TV shows, like, funny TV shows, Radio Rochella. Has Sasri told you about this one? Listen, this is so crazy because when I ask, hold on one second.
ChatGPT told you this? ChatGPT told me this. Or AI, sorry.
Yeah, for real. AI told me this.
Hold on. I told Lala I wanted to make you react, like show you some Venezuelans TV show.
I'll be the next level. Venezuelan...
I saw this somewhere. What did you call this? Radio Rochella.
Okay, tell me about this. It was like a TV show made of all of funny sketches.
Like a set of night. Yeah, that's right.
Okay. So Venezuelans were waiting for like, I think it was on Mondays night.
So it was like perfectly because your week was starting. Yeah.
So all families were like waiting for this TV show to start. Yeah.
And we loved like also like for Venezuelans, like the TV was a center of attraction for some time, but we also, after that, we were just spending the night making jokes, repeating those jokes and having fun off this TV show. Do you think part of the reason why Venezuelans turn inward or turned inward to family is because the outside world was kind of a scary place.

I don't think so because this is what I remember when I was a kid.

It wasn't that scary.

Of course, it's not like here you have a lot of thieves.

It's not a place like you can be with your iPhone in the streets.

But I think it's just something like Venezuelans like to share I always remember our weekends were like spending time with the family like okay where's the meeting they're like Tia? Are we going to Tia's or are they coming here? So it was like that. We are just like family members.
God damn, fuck all you you're so beautiful. What the fuck? We are fuck we are what the fuck you're gonna make me want to restore faith in humanity just when i'm losing all faith just when i think i've got it pinned down now you were born in the in the wrong place i probably was born in the wrong place and listen i think that's a thing too is sometimes people just feel like they're born in the wrong place.
You'll have an opportunity, a chance to visit Venezuela.

Not very soon.

Or I won't.

When's the next election?

Somebody was writing on one of those comments that, like, we'll figure this out in the next couple of days.

So today is the 8th.

The 8th?

January the 8th.

So on the 10th, maybe something's going to happen in Venezuela.

Hopefully.

We're hoping for a change in Venezuela. Okay.
Because we had elections this last year. We heard.
You heard. You know this story.
And the person who supposedly won was recognized by a lot of democratic countries as the winner. Right now we're like waiting to see what's going to happen.
Is this one of those WhatsApp buzzy buzzy things are going to happen, things might go down kind of shit? Anyway, you know what? Let's not talk about it here on the show. I hope everything goes really well.
I am rooting for Venezuela. Viva Venezuela Libre.
I hope, actually one of the things that I silently meditate about is that my children get to understand who they are in a more meaningful way by visiting the place where their mother lived. I want to take them there.
I'm waiting. I can't wait.
We came this close to pulling the trigger this year. We came this close to pulling the trigger and then we just backed off.
I cannot remember. I was saying like, yeah, guys, come, come, come.
From one day to the other. It's like, okay, cancel the plans.
Your dad said to me when I first met, when we were down in Aruba, I said, oh, I'd love to go to Venezuela because I know Americans do go down there. There's a whole category of travel agents that will get you down there and make sure that you're safe, I guess, as much as they can or whatever.
And your dad said, I won't bring you to my house if I don't think I can keep you safe, getting you there. He's like, once you get there, fine.
He's like, but outside my house, if I don't think I can keep you safe, I won't invite you. Yeah, anything can happen.
But I guess the same can be said about a lot of places in this world, including the United States of America. So who knows? Anyway, listen, Gustavo Bochete, you are a dear friend.
I love you as a brother. You've been a long time first of the show.
I love you sometimes, too. I do love you a little.
And as my Venezuelan brethren, you're welcome here anytime. Thank you.
Yeah. This is an awesome moment for me because you were like your kids when they start asking for a cookie.
Yeah. So, yeah.
Last year, you started like, do you want to come to the show? Yes. I was like, no.
I just tried to hint you. No, so he kept going.
He kept going. That's it.
I did your same strategy. At the end, I give you the cookie.
I'm smarter than I look. And I know that no one's going to do anything they don't want to do.
That's right. So you just have to keep pecking the head a little bit.
Just keep tapping somebody on the shoulder until they turn around. That's right.
All right. Let's take a break.
We had fun. We did have fun.
Good job, buddy. Best to you.
Best to you. In the podcast universe.
We'll be back. Well, that is well worth the wait.
You won't hear it until everybody else does. But man, was that good.
Gustavo. I love hearing his opinion.
He is a gentleman and a scholar, not necessarily in that order, but I could have gone on forever with Gustavo, but he is my brother-in-law, so there is a level of comfort, and I'm so proud of him. He came in and he did it.
He faced his fears. He faced his fears.
He did it well. He's hearing himself for the very first time on a microphone, which is really strange to do.
It is. And he did it well, and we only had to pan out 10x to get him, to get his entire body into the frame.
He is a large boy. Anyway, you can check this special out on YouTube, out available today as you're listening to this, youtube.com slash the commercial break.
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And I will put that up here on the show. If you leave me some snappy little message, you can better believe.
That's why I think very few people actually call the phone number. Maybe I should stop threatening to put it on air.
Maybe more people would call if I stopped threatening to put it on air. Maybe I can bait them into doing it by saying, feel free to call.
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Okay, Chrissy, I guess that's all I can do for this special episode of the commercial break.

I think so.

I'll tell you that I love you.

And I love you.

Best to you.

Best to you.

And best to you out there in the podcast universe.

Until next time, Chrissy and I will say, we do say, and we must say, goodbye. What the f*** am I doing here?