Everyone Hide!! Bryan's Mom Knows!

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Speaker 2 I am done with Josh.

Speaker 3 He's an alcoholic. He's a user.
He's a douchebag. He has issues.
He has problems. He's a cheater.
And he's scandalous. And I hope he goes to prison and jail because he deserves it.

Speaker 4 On this episode of the Commercial Break.

Speaker 4 You know, there's probably a few whiz-bangers in there that were like, yeah, I agree with you, Brian. But I would imagine most people are not that way.
You know, those people are long since gone.

Speaker 4 Those people have died. They died in the 80s.

Speaker 4 So, yet another place I have to go and explain myself. And that doesn't always feel good.
Sometimes I do wish I had a normal job where I just didn't have to explain myself.

Speaker 4 I meet other dads and they're like, you know, yeah, I own a bike shop. Or yeah, you know, I'm in the elevator business or whatever they do.
And I'm like, oh, okay, that's great.

Speaker 4 Tell me more about it so I can pretend like I do that next time I meet somebody.

Speaker 4 The next episode of the commercial break starts now.

Speaker 4 The birdie in the morning!

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah, Cats and Kittens. Welcome back to the Commercial Break.
I'm Brian Green. This is my dear friend and the co-host of this show, Chris Joy Hoadley.
Best to you, Chris.

Speaker 4 Best to you out there in the podcast universe. How the hell are you, including my mother, who now listens to the show, apparently?

Speaker 4 If you're listening closely to the commercial break, then you will know that my mom and her friends around the senior citizens' hometable have discovered a way to listen to the commercial break.

Speaker 4 They've found it.

Speaker 4 They discovered. Yes, they discovered.

Speaker 4 Someone was young enough at the table to know what a podcast was. Either that or they listened to a lot of Fox News on podcasts.
One of the two.

Speaker 4 My mom left Astrid a message, which was embedded into the beginning of the show, the clips that we do, the bits at the beginning, that was that I cut up and embedded into the show where my mom explained to Astrid that the girls at the table had been wondering for a while how they,

Speaker 4 where was the show? How could they find it? Where was it?

Speaker 4 And so, even though I've never given my mom the name of the, I mean, she must know the commercial breaks and aim because the kids even say it, but I've never given her any directions on how to find it because, quite frankly, I don't need her to find it.

Speaker 4 I don't need my mom to listen to the show. I can tell her what we're doing.
I don't need her to listen to the show. Hi, Brian.
It's your mom. Hi, mom.
What you doing?

Speaker 4 Oh, just sitting around staring at your show. How did you? I'm trying to tune it in on the radio.
Okay, mom. Talk to you later.
Bye.

Speaker 4 Call you five minutes from now for no reason. Okay, mom, talk to you later.
She told Astrid that the girls at the table had been wondering how they found the show. How would they listen to the show?

Speaker 4 And then they googled my name and found it. And then

Speaker 4 my mom leaves in the message that they also found out that we were the top podcast in our area. That's how my mom said it.
They also discovered that Brian's the top podcast in his area. In my area.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I am. I am the top podcast in my area.
No shit. I'm sure that's a good idea.
You're the Starbucks. You are.
Hey, listen, within a mile radius, I'm pretty sure we're the top podcast.

Speaker 4 Top podcast in your area. Yes, mom.
She's so clueless. And then she said that the girls were going to get together that night and listen to the podcast.
And I have not heard from my mother.

Speaker 4 That's right.

Speaker 4 For clarity, my mom calls every 15 minutes. I have to purposefully mute my phone because I know my mother's going to call.
I know she is during the show while we record.

Speaker 4 So I don't know what to tell you, kids. My mom's on to us, so I guess we...
That's not for everyone. I guess we all have to cut out the cussing now.
We have to settle down.

Speaker 4 I feel like I'm a teenager and I've been busting in the basement whacking off. And now

Speaker 4 I got to calm it down a little bit.

Speaker 4 So funny thing is, they say they're going to get together that night and listen to the show. And it's the show that we did about studs.

Speaker 4 Oh, right. Okay.

Speaker 4 And the preview clip that was cut, you know, the night, you know, coming up on this episode of the commercial break, then there's a preview clip, 30 to 45 seconds of the show that we find interesting that we put in there.

Speaker 4 And the clip is me making fun of the guy saying, We did San Diego. And I go, What is doing San Diego? What does that mean? You jizzed up against the wall.
Give me 50 bucks and I'll fuck you.

Speaker 4 So within 30 seconds of hearing the show, oh, my mom, my mom probably was like, Oh, that's not him. Turn it on.
Right.

Speaker 4 Not my Brian. He wouldn't talk like that.

Speaker 4 Oh,

Speaker 4 it's all

Speaker 4 Aster just, I was lamenting the people at Starbucks knowing about the commercial break, the people at school knowing about the commercial break.

Speaker 4 Now, my mom and her friends knowing how to get the commercial break. I mean, we're far from famous kids.
Don't let any chart appearances or big numbers, big numbers.

Speaker 4 Over 40 downloads.

Speaker 4 Don't let anything fool you. We don't get noticed on the street.
No one's knocking down our door to do anything.

Speaker 4 I think the only other famous person who's ever done anything remotely nice for us was Ari Shafir. And I think he did that because he felt bad for us.

Speaker 4 Probably. Yeah.
So, but I'm sharing that I feel a little bit cornered. Like the commercial break is not a normal job.

Speaker 4 No, no, no. No, no, no, no.
It's not a normal job. As a matter of fact, it's a job that keeps you from getting a normal job.
That's how it should be described.

Speaker 4 That is so true. I don't know why I think everything's so funny today, but I do.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 the fact that I, like, there's not a lot of safe places where people just assume I have some normal job.

Speaker 4 I mean, I know the people at Starbucks now, they desperately want to ask me about the content of today's show, but I just keep like avoiding eye contact. Yeah, I would.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I do, because I don't want, you know, I don't, I'm sorry. Yeah, I said the guy jizzed against the wall.
I mean, what do you want me to say?

Speaker 4 I'm sure not everybody agrees with the content that we're putting out there. It's not for everybody.
It's not for everybody. We're student podcasters, Chrissy.
That's what we are. Student podcasts.

Speaker 4 Please be patient.

Speaker 4 But now my mom knows that's a whole different road to hoe there because now I'm going to have to explain to her. And her, I know I go there sometimes.

Speaker 4 When we go, there's like a there's like a big dining room when you walk into these places. As they have, this is a cruise ship on land, is basically what it is.

Speaker 4 And they have a dining room like every cruise ship does, and they get together for three times a day to sit at an assigned table, or not necessarily assigned tables, but they tend to

Speaker 4 have casual tables. Yeah, they group together.
And sometimes my mom moves a lot because I think people get annoyed

Speaker 4 or she gets annoyed. She gets annoyed easy.
So she moves from table to table.

Speaker 4 And so

Speaker 4 when we go over to my mom's, she's got a very small apartment because she doesn't need a lot. And I don't like the kids, all 16 kids, to be up there because they just cause drama.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 My mom doesn't give a shit. I give a shit.
There's just a lot of stuff up there that I don't need. She's got medication.
This is like a lot of shit that's not children.

Speaker 4 And so when we get together, I often say, let's do a meal. And she can rent the private dining room, which is off the main dining room.

Speaker 4 Imagine like your dining room at your house or your grandma's house or your parents' house. It's like a 15-foot by 10-foot room with a big table, and you just sit there.

Speaker 4 Renting it means it's yours for the hour. You reserved it.
Yeah, you reserved it. And so my mom often reserves this, and then we'll go over, and there's plenty of chairs.
Everyone can have fun.

Speaker 4 They can run around. But every time we go there, it's showtime at the Apollo because the kids are the youngest things these people have seen in like six days.

Speaker 4 And they're very excited by the youthfulness of the whole situation. And I can understand that because I am excited by the youthfulness of the situation often sometimes too.
The energy is infectious.

Speaker 4 The kids are cute. We often doll, you know, Astrid, I say we, Astrid, dolls them up in nice clothing and they're presentable and they'll say hello and they'll twirl around.

Speaker 4 So they're like little, it's entertainment for

Speaker 4 the show they put on. As we walk,

Speaker 4 yes, as we walk the 150 feet through the dining room, where we have to be stopped by every person who thinks the kids are cute, and that's every person at every table, except for a few ornery ones.

Speaker 4 You know, there's some ornaments. Yeah, of course.

Speaker 4 Now, I would imagine that I'm going to get the side eye from everybody, and we're going to be shunned like pariahs. We're going to be like lepers in a

Speaker 4 Jesus's time. You you know, just shunned, shunned.
Because

Speaker 4 I, most people my age don't like the commercial break. They think it's too much for them.
Imagine what these 80-year-olds are thinking. It's too much for them.

Speaker 4 They're not even going to understand half the words we're saying, let alone be okay with me talking about coming and pissing and jizzing. And I'm sorry if you're eating breakfast.
I apologize.

Speaker 4 I'm just getting all the time for three days. I'm just staying up for three days.

Speaker 4 I mean, you know, there's probably a few whiz-bangers in there that were like, yeah, I agree with you, Brian. But I would imagine most people are not that way.

Speaker 4 You know, those people are long since gone. Those people have died.
They died in the 80s.

Speaker 4 So yet another place I have to go and explain myself. And that doesn't always feel good.
Sometimes I do wish I had a normal job where I just didn't have to explain myself.

Speaker 4 I meet other dads and they're like, you know, yeah, I own a bike shop or yeah, you know, I'm in the elevator business or whatever they do. And I'm like, oh, okay, that's great.

Speaker 4 Tell me more about it so I can pretend like I do that next time I meet somebody.

Speaker 4 Give me enough information so I can pretend. That's a whole like summary of what that entails.
Yes, Chrissy, that's exactly what I want to do. I'll tell you what my dream job is.

Speaker 4 My dream job, Drew Carey's job. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Ryan C. Crest's job.

Speaker 4 Who's the girl? Elizabeth Banks job. That's my dream job.
Honestly, million dollars a year, plenty of money in my pocket, feed the kids.

Speaker 4 I don't know if I'll be able to send them to college for that, but you know, I'll be able to feed them, house them, live comfortably, drive for a car with four wheels and a whole hood.

Speaker 4 You know, all the accoutrements that go along with being comfortable. It seems like we might need a million dollars a year just to live these days, but

Speaker 4 and get to go into the studio, work like maybe a hundred days a year, maybe a hundred days a year, knock out a couple episodes of Price is Right or whatever it is, and mosey on with life.

Speaker 4 Because I guarantee, and I know this for a fact that drew carey doesn't get harangued by thrones of adoring fans have you ever seen anyone have you ever met anyone that's like oh my god drew carey i if i could just meet drew carey yeah no no one says that he's the guy from the price is right and that show that one time was popular whose line is it anyway whose line is it anyway that's right very talented guy very seems very affable i've met him he has breakfast at the same diner every morning i i told you this i met him at a diner mel's diner, I think is what it's called, up in the hills of, you know, Hollywood Hills or whatever it is.

Speaker 4 He has breakfast, same breakfast every morning, at least he did back then. And this was just when he got the job with prices right.

Speaker 4 And he was just super nice, super affable, reading his newspaper, very nice guy.

Speaker 4 There was no one, and I mean no one that was bothering the guy. You want to know why? Because he's the guy from the price is right and no one cares.

Speaker 4 Now, I'm the guy from the commercial break and no one cares, but that seems like my perfect, perfect job because I'm in entertainment.

Speaker 4 I get to express that creativity, but they give me the cute cards. I just have to read it, inject a little bit of personality, meet some friendly faces, and then be on with my day.

Speaker 4 Stayably friendly, not talking about jizz.

Speaker 4 No, I mean, if I could throw a jizz in there every once in a while, if we could get a, you know, if I could get a titpic every once in a while and the commercial and the price is right, I would do that.

Speaker 4 But I don't have to. It's, I don't have to.
If I had to go work for Disney and do one of those silly, you know, game shows, I do it.

Speaker 4 I look at that Ryan Seacrest, and now he's got iHeartRadio iHeartRadio wrapped into that prices, into that wheel of fortune. Oh, he's making probably 20 million bucks a year for all that he does.

Speaker 4 He went far from

Speaker 4 a place here in Atlanta. A little

Speaker 4 place here in Atlanta called Backstreet.

Speaker 4 If you know, you know, IKYNTV DY.

Speaker 4 No, I don't know that to be true. That's all rumor.
It's all rumor and speculation from his ex-boyfriend.

Speaker 4 So Ryan Seacrest, who's very talented, by the way. I mean,

Speaker 4 you have to be talented and smart and

Speaker 4 have your head on your shoulders to maneuver a 30-plus year career in the entertainment business from being like a local

Speaker 4 drive-time DJ who wasn't particularly good at what he did. He parlayed that into an immense amount of success and money and empire.
He now runs Dick Clark Productions. He owns it, I think.

Speaker 4 So he does the New Year's Eve. He does the radio show.
He does American Idol. He does Wheel of Fortune.
He was doing G, remember like Kelly and Ryan for a while?

Speaker 4 And remember during the pandemic, he had like a stroke or something on air? Didn't he?

Speaker 4 Yeah. He had to take a couple of days off.
He called it exhaustion. Everyone else thought it was a stroke because it looked like a stroke.
I think he was involved with the Kardashian show.

Speaker 4 He was the executive producer of the Kardashians. He brought it to E and he said, you got to put these people on TV.
They're highly entertaining.

Speaker 4 And, you know, this one who just did the sex tape, she's got a whole family of sex tapes behind her. So you guys got to get on this.

Speaker 4 And so he's the genius, essentially. He's the genus and the genius behind the Kardashians, which like them, don't like them.

Speaker 4 They are the most famous people on earth.

Speaker 2 They really are.

Speaker 4 And besides Taylor Swift and a couple of others, I mean, they're the most famous people on earth. And Ryan, I think, has a lot to do with that, or at least.

Speaker 4 foretelling what was to come. He certainly had his finger on the pulse in that moment.
He knew what the public wanted and he sold it to him. And it seems like at every turn, he kind of knows that.

Speaker 4 Now, why is he doing Wheel of Fortune? I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 It seems like an odd move, but maybe he felt like I want to be in people's living rooms every day in this family-friendly way, which has always been his style.

Speaker 4 Like even in American Idol, he's never been particularly edgy, even when he was a radio disc jockey on a play on a radio station called Star 94, which is like light pop rock, like nothing offensive, no hard rock, none of that.

Speaker 4 Top 40 hits essentially top 40 for sure he's always been family friendly he's always gone that direction he looks good he sounds good you know he's intelligent uh he can read the cute heart he can read

Speaker 4 right

Speaker 4 i could do that too

Speaker 4 listen he has multi-platformed himself right into a billion dollar business and i i don't argue with it a bit i say good for you ryan he's dated some of the most beautiful women on earth he was dating that girl from dancing with the stars yeah juliana

Speaker 4 Juliana Huff. That's right.
Who, by the way, is one of the best smelling human beings I have ever met in my entire life.

Speaker 4 I met her at a New Year's Eve party and she was, you could smell her across the room. She smelled like a, I don't know, a bundle of daisies wrapped in vanilla, wrapped in

Speaker 4 really good smelling perfume. I mean, it was just amazing how good she smelled.
But a beautiful woman. also.
Absolutely. Now she's doing Dancing with the Stars.

Speaker 4 Now she's like one of the hosts of Dancing with the Stars. But anyway, I digress back to Ryan.
He's really done

Speaker 4 it for himself for himself. I would absolutely take that career in a heartbeat if I didn't have to work as hard.
If I could do like a tenth of what Ryan does and make the same money, I'm in.

Speaker 4 But otherwise, I decline the offer. I decline the job.
I decline the job. I want to go Drew Carey's route.
Drew doesn't need all the extra accoutrements.

Speaker 4 He doesn't need to be in a radio studio every morning. He doesn't feel like he has.
He's talking about mugwormers and incense holders. That's it.
Today I was watching him.

Speaker 4 I know when I walked in, he watched the video here. Yeah, it was on, and I thought it was funny because they were like, And how much does this mug warmer cost?

Speaker 4 And there, here's a handmade incense holder. They have the shittiest prizes, I know.
They're like, A new car from 2019, Hyundai Electron.

Speaker 4 The Hyundai Electron has been discontinued, but it's new to you right now.

Speaker 4 How much does it cost? Pick the four numbers. Three, five, zero, zero.
That's correct. And you have to pay $7,000 in taxes to bring it home.

Speaker 4 He, I was watching him do a game and it was like, you know, the lady was about to win a new car, which wasn't a particularly fancy car, but okay, a car is a car. You win a car.

Speaker 4 And she has to pick the number. They give her the middle number.
And then there's four other numbers, two and two. She has to pick the first two.
She has to pick the last two.

Speaker 4 She gets four chances to do this.

Speaker 4 And she's picking a number. She's like, 75.
And he's like, that's the year I graduated high school.

Speaker 4 Like really mundane, innate conversation that's not particularly funny, but not particularly offensive.

Speaker 4 He's using his improv skills to no good.

Speaker 4 But I will share that this is the job. This is the way you want to go.
Be that guy. Or Elizabeth Banks on

Speaker 4 No Ammies. What's that show? Press Your Luck.
Press Your Luck. That's what I want to do.
Press your luck. Wheel of Fortune, not Jeopardy.
I'm not smart enough for that.

Speaker 4 I know those Jeopardy people are really, they're pretty picky about who they want to be

Speaker 4 leading that charge, and Brian's not going to fit that bill.

Speaker 4 But any of those other ones where it's like dumb games that anybody can play, the everyman game, I would be, I think, an excellent candidate. I think so too.
And talking about the prices, right?

Speaker 4 I've always wanted to spin that wheel. Me too.
You know, and I wonder if when the camera's not rolling, people are, you know, hanging out late night,

Speaker 4 smoking weed, getting drunk, and spinning the wheel, having contests.

Speaker 4 Does it make that noise when you're not on TV? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Does someone have to flick a button to make that noise? I would be curious about all of it.

Speaker 4 I listened to somebody who was talking to Vanna White's brother, who briefly, briefly had a late night talk show in the 90s.

Speaker 4 The 90s briefly had a late night talk show. So listen to this.
He's trying to sell the show, right? And he is a coked-out drunk. And he admitted this is something he said, not something I'm assuming.

Speaker 4 This is something he said. I had a problem with drugs.
I had a problem with alcohol.

Speaker 4 And so he got some famous people to show up in his backyard. He built a set in his backyard.
So it's outdoors. He's doing a monologue.

Speaker 4 I've never heard something less funny unless it was an episode of the commercial break. Never, never.
It sounds like our first three episodes. It's just terrible.
Terrible.

Speaker 4 He's running around Hollywood trying to sell this like everybody was back in the 90s. Everyone wanted a talk show.

Speaker 4 So I, through this thing I was listening to, this podcast I was listening to,

Speaker 4 I found a link on YouTube. I watched it.
It's some of the worst television I've ever seen. And, but he was, but the, the host asked, I can't remember which podcast this was already.
Shout it out.

Speaker 4 The host asked, the Vanna White's brother, hey, did you ever,

Speaker 4 how many times have you been to the set? 100? More than 100? He says, oh, probably 100, maybe a little bit more. To the Wheel of Fortune set.
Okay, yeah.

Speaker 4 How many times you spin the wheel? I never spun the wheel. He said, you never took a spin on the wheel.
He's like, you know, honestly, I never thought about it.

Speaker 4 And it's like, isn't that the first thing you would think about doing?

Speaker 4 Right? You go to press your luck, you want to see a whammy, you want to hit that button. You go to Wheel of Fortune, you want to spin it.

Speaker 4 Just watching it, you can almost tell how heavy it is, how you would spin it, what manner you would spin it. But the way people, other people are doing it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, just watching it, I have some spatial awareness about how I think I would spin those two wheels. The price is right wheel, the wheel of fortune wheel.
But anyway, whatever.

Speaker 4 We're getting way off base here. Listen,

Speaker 4 today, Chrissy and I are on vacation, meaning when you're listening to this, we are on vacation. So we are not talking about anything too timely or topical.
We are just going to give you the goods.

Speaker 4 We had a nice young gentleman, and I mean young gentleman, he admits he's a kid. And I said, I don't want to get in trouble for texting a kid.
So, you know, I hope you're at.

Speaker 4 So don't say anything that could get me in trouble.

Speaker 4 His name is Kylan.

Speaker 4 He had to tell me how to say it. I want to make sure I got it right.
His name is Kylan. He texted and he said, Hey, is this TCB? Let me

Speaker 4 share with you this string of texts. By the way, Kylan.
Yeah, it's a cool name.

Speaker 4 It says, Is this commercial break?

Speaker 4 Anyway, if it is, I'm craving more mountain monsters, Frankie B, or also more pickup artists. And I said, Yeah, this is TCB.

Speaker 4 It's been almost nine months since Frankie did a video where I do more mountain monsters. I'll get you one out the door soon.

Speaker 4 And he says, This is Kylan, but it says my mom's name because it's my mom's account. Now, at first, I thought, you know, it's 2025.

Speaker 4 There's a lot of 30-year-olds who are still using their mom's phone account, right? I just just, and I, and no judgment there. I just thought

Speaker 4 you were getting bothered into the plan. That's right.
But then he explains, I said,

Speaker 4 and he goes, you feel free to use my name if you want to on air. I said, yeah, of course.
I'll shout you out, but you got to give me some more information about you. What do you do?

Speaker 4 What's your thing? And he goes, well, does school count as a job? I'm just a kid.

Speaker 4 And I was like, it most, so I go automatically into dad mode. And I'm like, what did I say to him? I go,

Speaker 4 school's definitely your job. Get through at least high school, and then the world is your oyster.
You can do whatever you do. You do whatever you want.
Choose your own adventure.

Speaker 4 Do I sound like your dad yet? I mean, I'm on like dad mode right now. So Kylan says, pickup artists, mountain monsters, or Frankie B.
Well, there's no more Frankie B.

Speaker 4 I haven't found any new Frankie B information that we haven't already done. There's one or two videos out there.
I'm keeping them in my back pocket for a rainy day. Mountain Monsters, we just did.

Speaker 4 Yeah. But I have been saving something for just this occasion.
For some when someone asks, can you do a pickup artist?

Speaker 4 And we'll get to it after this. Sounds good.

Speaker 2 You make this rather snappy, won't you? Somebody heavy thing to do before 10 o'clock.

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Speaker 4 The 21 Convention has brought us some of our most illustrious content, Chrissy. Oh, it's a wealth of

Speaker 4 douchebaggery. It's a deep pool of douchebaggery.
That's well said, my friend.

Speaker 4 The 21 Convention is a short-lived convention that would happen in Orlando every year to

Speaker 4 showcase the world's

Speaker 4 best in the bridegroom. Yes, the smallest penises available to

Speaker 4 the women in the general Orlando area.

Speaker 4 And if you were female, you'd probably want to be out of the Orlando area when the 21 Convention was going on because it was just pickup artists and then it turned MAGA for a while there.

Speaker 4 It seemed like all they wanted to do was promote this new version of masculinity. Fine, if you're into that, cool.

Speaker 4 But one of the guys who we've been following long, I think before we found 21 Convention, was Adam the Lion. Adam the Liar, Lions.
Well, we called him the Liar. We called him the Liar.

Speaker 4 Now, he has reinvented himself many times. He's been an SEO expert, a social media expert.
He's been a branding expert. He's been a pickup artist.
He was a polyamory artist. He was

Speaker 4 sleeping with, and he had a thrupple going on there for a while. He reinvented himself as a life coach.
This is the opposite of whatever Ryan Secret did. Adam,

Speaker 4 Adam the liar.

Speaker 4 He followed the opposite path. He followed the opposite path.
He decided to be as unfamily-friendly and non-consistent as possible. And you got to give the guy credit, at least.
He's trying.

Speaker 4 He's desperately trying to follow the trends, usually three steps behind. Can't fault him for that.
So is the commercial break.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 But he's just one of these characters that you can't get enough of. I can't get enough of.
Like Frankie B or Teresa Caputo. Adam has a soft spot in my heart because he is such

Speaker 4 an idiot. I mean, honestly, that's the only way to say it.
He's such an idiot. Adam, for the 21 Convention,

Speaker 4 apparently years ago, he had produced, I think this is like a biopic produced and directed by Adam Lyons himself. And they posted it on the 21 Convention website years ago.

Speaker 4 This looks like it was made 10 or 15 years ago because Adam is, he just looks very young in this and his hair is pink. And I don't even know.

Speaker 4 But this is not a documentary, despite what Adam may call it. It's not a documentary.
You can't film. It's not like the new Dylan documentary.
No, it's not like

Speaker 4 the new Dylan biopic starring Timothy. Shalalame.

Speaker 4 Adam here is a, I don't know, a student pickup artist. Use caution.
He is trying to. You can't just film yourself and call it a documentary.
That doesn't make much sense.

Speaker 4 I was watching The Last Waltz last night. I couldn't.

Speaker 4 I couldn't sleep. It's one of the best documentaries ever made.
Certainly the best music documentary. Maybe the best music film ever made.

Speaker 4 But it was filmed by one of the best directors

Speaker 4 of all time and produced by Bill Graham and a bunch of others.

Speaker 4 This wasn't like the band got together and decided to film themselves and put it out, which they could have done, but you can't call that a documentary. Just call that I just filmed myself.

Speaker 4 You know what I'm saying? Anyway, I don't want to get into the minutiae of what we're calling it. I just want to hear what he has to say.

Speaker 4 Now, I've watched very little of this, so we're going to go on this journey together, Chrissy. Yeah, cold.
That's how I like to do it here at the commercial break. Raw dog, Adam Lyons.

Speaker 2 The community is AFC Adam. I have so many different ambitions and things that I want to be doing in life.

Speaker 4 And you have tried them all, my friend.

Speaker 4 Where? Are you a peacock? Is he a cockatoo? He's in a tropical location somewhere, probably the villages in Florida,

Speaker 4 where Chrissy and I are going to retire. Yeah, there's a palm tree in the background.
Yeah, doesn't that look like a margaritaville to you? Yeah, you've been.

Speaker 4 I have not. It looks like a margaritaville.
But he fits right in with that cockatoo hair. Yeah, it's jet black, but then with a splash of

Speaker 4 spiky pink. Imagine cockatoo red.
Well, actually, I can see it in the back of his head, too. Look at the back of his nape of his neck.
Oh, yeah. It must go all the way back.
That's right.

Speaker 4 He's peacocking around. He's peacocking around the vault.
He's a little pink mohawk.

Speaker 4 That's what they do. That's what mystery taught him.
You got to get out there and show your colors.

Speaker 4 That's right.

Speaker 2 Beyond just pickup and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 I'm known as being a geek, and not only was I always a geek, I still am a massive geek.

Speaker 2 So some of the things that I want to do.

Speaker 4 Well,

Speaker 4 you didn't have to say that out. You didn't have to say it out loud, but okay.

Speaker 2 What I want to do is obviously I want to make an independent horror film. Start off with maybe a small film

Speaker 4 from there. But I've also got to be like, oh,

Speaker 4 I think he's made plenty of them. I think they're all over the internet.

Speaker 4 I think he's accomplished that goal.

Speaker 4 Like, how to pick up a woman in 10 minutes or less.

Speaker 2 I've started sword fighting again. So I've been doing...

Speaker 4 Oh, I bet you've been sword fighting for a long time, Adam.

Speaker 2 Actually, my live-action role-playing, where you like dress up in costume and sword fight people. I've been doing that again, and I'm looking to maybe put on some kind of small event like that.

Speaker 2 And yeah, I'm just following the road to see where it takes me.

Speaker 4 There's like, there's title cards in between sections here, and this one is like a duck to water.

Speaker 2 The big thing that got me into the community was I realized that one of the girls that I was kind of dating, I'd had four relationships prior to learning game.

Speaker 4 One of the relationships. Learning game.

Speaker 4 Once I learned game, I turned into a Jedi master.

Speaker 4 A Jedi master of pink cockatoo hair and role-playing.

Speaker 4 Nothing says fuck me like being in a park dressed up like a medieval swordsman.

Speaker 2 The last one that I was in, I found out that not only had she been seeing a whole bunch of guys behind my back, but when I confronted her with it and we broke up, she ended up stealing all of the belongings from my house, my PlayStation, my PC, my, you know, my, my, my video games, absolutely everything she could take, she did, leaving my house completely barren.

Speaker 4 I think I've still got the photograph somewhere of having a photographs? You have photographs of your empty apartment?

Speaker 4 That for police purposes. Sure, why not?

Speaker 2 She kind of left my room. And about six months earlier, one of my friends had handed me his book called The Game.
And he said to me, he said, Adam, this book is designed for you.

Speaker 2 He said, you don't realize it yet? He goes, but you're supposed to do this. He goes, I know when you do this, you're going to take to it like a duck to water.

Speaker 2 And I kind of threw it on a back shelf and ignored it.

Speaker 4 Wow, that kind of reminds me of that scene in The Matrix where he goes to the oracle and they ask him, like, he's guided to the oracle. You must go talk to the oracle.
Yeah, you were meant to do that.

Speaker 4 Every good Genesis story of some of the most,

Speaker 4 some of the people who changed our world starts with an oracle. There's someone who just sees something in you that you don't see in yourself.
Like my wife, shut up and do it on a microphone.

Speaker 2 But it was one of the things she didn't take.

Speaker 4 And so I sort of open up the book, start reading it. One thing she didn't take.

Speaker 4 The book, the game. I can't imagine why.

Speaker 2 Sign up on a course. And that was the story.

Speaker 4 I'm picturing him just like rolling around like an empty, you know, like when you go first move into an apartment, it's empty. Yeah.
And you sleep on the floor maybe while you're waiting for it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's just carpeted. And he's got this book.
Yeah, I imagine like talkies,

Speaker 4 empty bags, and Mountain Dew, soda cans all around there.

Speaker 4 The game staring at him in the movie, whoever plays him, it's got to be, you know, I would imagine Ryan Felipe or Tom Timothy Chalamet or whoever.

Speaker 4 I can see like he's in this scene where it's all dark and he's crying. Dun Denzel gives him the book.
Don Denzel gives him the book. You were meant to do this.

Speaker 4 Don't fret, bro. Read it.

Speaker 4 Neil Strauss. Okay.
The famous composer?

Speaker 2 Neil Strauss is obviously a big inspiration.

Speaker 4 Oh, no, the pickup artist, Neil Strauss. Okay.

Speaker 2 It seemed to me because of reading the game, and he was kind of like my first

Speaker 2 look into the community. I actually got to meet Neil Strauss quite soon afterwards, which was really great.
He's a really nice guy, really genuine.

Speaker 2 And I suppose he made me realize that a lot of the misconceptions.

Speaker 4 Look at all these people walking behind him. I'm wondering if they know.

Speaker 4 Strange setup here. I think they're at a mall in Florida, but I wonder if they know how close to greatness they are.

Speaker 4 Have you ever been somewhere and then later on you see pictures like at a concert or I don't know, you've never been to Disney World, but like Disney World. Disney World.
Oh, you have? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Oh, I thought you'd never been. No, I've been once.
Oh, okay. Not twice.

Speaker 4 There's a couple of times I've been to Disney World and then I'll be in one of those, you know, Disney adult groups for people like me who have mental problems. And then

Speaker 4 and then they'll be like, oh, did you see so-and-so on this particular day? And it happens a famous person was there when I was there. But how would I have known?

Speaker 4 Like Obama passing in the background of those people's pictures. Yes.

Speaker 4 DC. Eddie Vetter and my dad's Chicago picture.
Yeah, stuff like that. I wonder if they know how close they are to greatness.

Speaker 2 About some of the top pickup artists were actually a lot of hearsay, and a lot of it didn't hold true because when I met Neil in person, he was very different to the kind of image that I have kind of been led to perceive by the majority of the people in the community.

Speaker 4 So what do you say? So I don't understand that. Okay, here's the next title card.
I was just saying how great it was to meet Neil. Neil's great.
Okay, journey through the game.

Speaker 4 Here's our next title card. Here's our next PowerPoint slide.

Speaker 2 With regards to my own journey through the game, there was definitely mixed

Speaker 2 good points about meeting some of the top gurus and definitely some negative sides. I had a lot of conceptions that...

Speaker 4 Negative, I never seemed to get laid when they were around. Positive, I got a free book.

Speaker 2 Some of these pickup guys were absolutely untouchable. They could do whatever they wanted when it came to women.
And

Speaker 2 some of my aspirations to kind of like to maybe be as good as Neil Strauss and be able to get any woman I want, when I actually met him, I realized actually he's very down-to-earth.

Speaker 2 He's kind of hit and miss, kind of just like everybody else, but still a very cool, fun, down-to-earth guy who wasn't too proud of himself or too up his own rectum, should we say.

Speaker 4 So what you're saying is it's all bullshit, that's what you're saying.

Speaker 2 Some other people that I met who not only weren't as good as they were trying to prove that they were, but they actually were kind of trying to force that idea on people that they were amazing, that they really could pick up absolutely everybody they wanted.

Speaker 2 And it was a shame because if they just accepted they could fail sometimes, it might make it a lot easier to maybe relate to them and to believe half the things they were saying.

Speaker 4 Hmm. Interesting.
Lowest point in his journey is the next title side.

Speaker 2 In my journey in the game, it was actually probably the point where everybody else was looking up to me the most. It was the point where I had.

Speaker 4 Who's the point where I was most famous, Chrissy?

Speaker 4 High on cocaine in the Caesar's palace, presidential suite, bottles of champagne, tits flying from one end of the room to the other, literally vagina raining from the sky.

Speaker 4 And I looked, and there was that book staring back at me, the game.

Speaker 4 And I said,

Speaker 4 I've got to read it again. I got to get back to my roots.
Yeah, I got to get back to my roots.

Speaker 4 I've strayed too far.

Speaker 4 Neil Strauss once said, it's all bullshit, kid.

Speaker 4 And then the hookabille came.

Speaker 2 14 different girlfriends.

Speaker 4 14 different girlfriends.

Speaker 4 He just said he hates when his pickup artists guru, the people he looked up to, make it sound like they're all that. And now he's doing it himself.

Speaker 4 14. Give me a break.

Speaker 2 Some of the most beautiful women throwing themselves at me. I just walk into a night.

Speaker 4 What is the basis? It's Peacock Adams. Get him.

Speaker 4 He's about to say, I walk into a nightclub. I walk into a nightclub and literally can't move without my boner being licked.

Speaker 2 Club in London, 250 girls walk in the door with me.

Speaker 4 I literally.

Speaker 4 Now, this is where he we

Speaker 4 around the time

Speaker 4 when we gave him the liar.

Speaker 4 Here comes the liar. Here comes the liar part of it.

Speaker 4 I was almost in my club in London. Yes.
I'm walking in with 250 girls. I've been to 14

Speaker 4 girlfriends. I don't know how many clubs in London fit 250 people,

Speaker 4 let alone you and 250 girls.

Speaker 4 I was almost, I was almost thinking like, oh, Adam, you know, he can be

Speaker 4 without all the hype and hyperbole. He can

Speaker 4 work.

Speaker 2 Probably at the top of my game. And I realized I wasn't happy.
I was unfulfilled. I didn't enjoy life.
I realized I didn't have to work for anything. Women would just throw themselves at me.

Speaker 2 I was at the lowest point of self-motivation in my life. I had guys that wanted to be like me, and I was actively looking at them, being like, why do you want this? This isn't fun.
This isn't.

Speaker 4 This isn't fun. All this woman, all this sex, all these drugs.
I don't have to work for anything. I'm a millionaire just thinking about it.
I don't understand why you want to be like me.

Speaker 4 I am going to work at McDonald's tomorrow and I will not have a date on Friday.

Speaker 4 Back. I'm a man of the people.

Speaker 4 Happy.

Speaker 2 And the turning point for that for me, that the point where suddenly everything became happy and enjoyable was really when I realized that I wanted just one girl and I wanted to settle down.

Speaker 2 And I think anybody that says

Speaker 4 boiling.

Speaker 2 They really do just want a whole bunch of different random girls that I don't think they've really experienced.

Speaker 4 the pinnacle of that because when you really have that when you really have the pinnacle of pussy chrissy I don't think you've realized the pinnacle of Putang.

Speaker 4 If you realize the pinnacle of Putang, like I have, like having 380,000 women in your bed at one time,

Speaker 4 then you realize it really doesn't make you happy to have so many beautiful, naked women around you when you're

Speaker 4 a heterosexual single male. It's unfulfilling, Chrissy.

Speaker 2 Lifestyle where women are throwing themselves at you. Johnny Wolfe from the Peway Summit, actually.

Speaker 4 How many times can you put in the words words women throwing themselves at you in one segment of your own documentary?

Speaker 2 Throughout to come a meeting.

Speaker 4 He just mentioned somebody with the P-Way Summit. Oh, yeah, the P-Way Summit.

Speaker 4 Yeah. It's all the rage with the peace.

Speaker 2 To see how true this was. And I've got a testimonial where he saw me throwing women out of my bedroom who are begging to come in there to have sex with me.
I've got a testimonial.

Speaker 4 Oh, my God. I've got a testimonial from a guy who saw women getting kicked out of my bedroom who were trying to have sex with me at the good old P-Wave Summit.

Speaker 4 The summit no one heard of or has gone to. And the testimonial.
Oh, the P-Wave Summit.

Speaker 2 And that was the lifestyle I was living, and it wasn't fulfilling.

Speaker 4 Oh, and then David DiDangelo came in?

Speaker 4 David DiAngelo. Here's the Oracle coming back into his life.

Speaker 2 David DiAngelo was a guy whose name I'd heard mentioned a lot throughout my journeys in the community, but I'd never actually bought any of his products or read anything of his.

Speaker 2 And it was only actually quite recently, although I was kind of familiar with some of his concepts like cocky funny, it was only very recently that I actually.

Speaker 4 Cocky funny?

Speaker 4 Cocky funny.

Speaker 4 The concept of cocky funny. The concept of dyeing your hair pink, going to the P wave,

Speaker 4 and cockadoodle-dooing your way all the way through.

Speaker 4 Cockadoodle Doo! Get out of my bedroom, beautiful naked women. I don't want you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I've got to find out more.

Speaker 4 Hey, take notes. I want a testimonial later.

Speaker 4 You see what's happening here? Where are those pictures in my empty bedroom?

Speaker 2 About him when he interviewed me for his interview series, and I got a call from some of the people in his camp saying, Hey, David Angelo would like to interview you.

Speaker 4 And I kind of got to speak to him firsthand.

Speaker 4 I don't even have a camp. Where's a camp? I hate when people say that.
I know. Hey,

Speaker 4 some people in my camp are going to get back to to you. Oh, really? Some people in your camp.
I've been to an actual camp. It's no fun.

Speaker 2 And the guy's an absolute genius. I mean, not just what he knows about pickup, but what he knows about life in general and about business and marketing.
He's a very genuine individual.

Speaker 2 And I learned a lot just from a half-hour phone call.

Speaker 4 I've met so many genuine people who know a lot about business and marketing. Exactly.
And pickup artistry.

Speaker 4 Those three combinations say sincere and real.

Speaker 4 Negative outlook of the community. Okay.
Okay.

Speaker 2 There are definitely some people out there that have a negative outlook on the community.

Speaker 4 You don't say. Right.
I wonder why. I can't imagine why.
I can't imagine why.

Speaker 4 You just said you walked into a club with 250 women, kicked a bunch of naked girls out of your bedroom because you didn't want to have sex with them. That wasn't fulfilling.

Speaker 4 And you're expecting people to look on this and go,

Speaker 4 he's such a redeemed guy.

Speaker 4 This is worse than Carl Lentz. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 And I think that anytime I've ever come across that, it's usually the person doesn't actually fully understand what the community is.

Speaker 2 For me specifically, and I think really that's what the community is, it's always a personal choice of how you view it. I've always viewed the community as a male self-help group.

Speaker 2 It's a bunch of guys that are firstly admitting they have a problem and they can't meet girls. And secondly, they're willing to do whatever it takes to get there.
And yeah, different people have...

Speaker 4 It's like AAP.

Speaker 4 It's PAP. Pussy anonymous.

Speaker 2 Different journeys. Some, it's maybe a bit more aggressive, some it may not be a pleasant experience.

Speaker 2 but I think on the whole, for most, it's a really good positive experience that they come out the other side of it with a better understanding of women.

Speaker 4 And a bunch of books. And a bunch of books, and a bunch of credit card bills, and a bunch of monthly subscriptions, and a bunch of phone calls with John Anthony lifestyle.
I think one of the main

Speaker 4 underground

Speaker 4 is part of the business. Now we're getting into the good stuff.
This is secret stuff they won't tell you anywhere else, kids. Get out your pencils.
You're going to need to write a testimonial later.

Speaker 2 That the community is taboo or is seen as being secretive and underground and maybe a little bit manipulative is specifically because us guys are kind of scared of letting the girls know what we're doing.

Speaker 2 There are so many people that hide behind false names, hide behind online stories, whereas in reality, you can kind of come out and tell the truth.

Speaker 2 I mean, Cosmopolitan and FHM, they're full of true life stories, things that have actually happened to me. There's nothing wrong with accepting.

Speaker 4 Oh, Cosmotopolitan is full of true life stories about you? I did not know this. I did not know you.
I live in Cosmo. Oh, okay.
Yep. Probably not in the good part of Cosmo.

Speaker 4 FHM. The now defunct girly mag.

Speaker 2 One of my biggest signs for whether a guy actually is comfortable with what they're doing and, in my opinion, really should be giving out and giving this advice is based on how comfortable they are, A, being seen by people to be doing what they're doing, and B, being comfortable with their name being put to it.

Speaker 4 Well,

Speaker 4 I can understand that one.

Speaker 2 Everybody knows me. I'm out in the open.
I've made mistakes. I've done some things that are amazing, but I've done all of it open.
Everyone found out about my girlfriend before I got with her.

Speaker 2 I told them what I was going to do. I told them before I was going to propose.

Speaker 4 How did they find out about your girlfriend before you even got with her? I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 4 It's an amazing story, Adam, you're telling right now. This takes lying to a whole new level, by the way.

Speaker 2 They've seen the whole thing.

Speaker 4 They saw it out there on the back.

Speaker 4 This guy just walked behind us.

Speaker 4 Some dude just photopombed. Big time.
He just walked directly behind him. I'm not saying like 10 feet behind him.
No, like right.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Adam doesn't miss a beat.

Speaker 2 Could have gone wrong. Maybe something would have happened.
Would my name have been Marin? Who knows?

Speaker 4 That's really fun.

Speaker 2 That's awesome. Point is, I was brave enough to stand by it and do it.

Speaker 4 Brave enough to stand behind what? Getting a girlfriend? I need to know more about that.

Speaker 4 Speaking the truth. That's a hard one for Adam.

Speaker 2 One of the biggest reasons that I think I've been so successful is this is not only have I been really open and told everyone what's going on, but I've also tried my best to be as truthful as possible.

Speaker 4 Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
You might try harder. Yeah,

Speaker 4 I think you got a skewed definition of what the truth is.

Speaker 2 Literally, even if it completely pains me, come out there and try and speak the complete truth. And what I love is so many people don't even believe it.

Speaker 2 They're like, there's no way that Adam can just come out and tell the truth. And yet, I do.

Speaker 4 We're in that camp. We're in that camp.
Have your camp.

Speaker 4 There's no way Adam can tell the truth.

Speaker 4 By the way.

Speaker 4 Wow, this is something right out of the DJT playbook. If they don't believe you, they just don't believe you have the ability to tell the truth.

Speaker 4 They, in fact, are just not understanding that you are being so truthful, it doesn't sound like the truth.

Speaker 2 And I find that's the only way to be completely congruent is to not only be open, but to also be truthful.

Speaker 2 And that way, you can people see you for who you are, and then you only get judged accordingly.

Speaker 4 Oh, we see you for who you are, Adam.

Speaker 4 Turning point. Ah, there's a turning point in every story, Cracy.

Speaker 2 From my personal point of view, with regards to where I sit in the community, I've always associated myself as a pickup artist because I wanted to go out there and I wanted to pick up chicks and end up dating them.

Speaker 4 Up until the point I got married, the point I got married was a definite turning artist. Wait, what?

Speaker 4 I didn't know you were married.

Speaker 4 I don't think it lasted. Yeah, no, I don't think it did either.
I wonder why. I'm no longer a pickup artist.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's great that I still get perceived as one and there's no way I'm leaving the community. I'm going to keep helping guys out as much as possible.

Speaker 2 But, you know, I'm not out there to pick up chicks.

Speaker 2 And as much as I'm going to help other people do that, I kind of see myself as somebody who trains other people to be pickup artists rather than being a pickup artist myself.

Speaker 2 And I'm definitely starting to identify more with being a dating coach and looking at helping people with things beyond just picking up things, how to handle a date.

Speaker 4 I'm definitely looking for my next grift. This one's getting a little boring, and now that I'm married, guys don't want to talk to me.

Speaker 4 I think after you get married, being a pickup artist is probably not something you can do. Like,

Speaker 4 I don't know. For many reasons.
That's like eating with a skinny chef. You know what I'm saying? Like, you just, you just don't do it.

Speaker 2 How to handle a relationship.

Speaker 2 Things that I genuinely feel that I'm starting to gain a much stronger experience based on than a lot of other pickup artists who kind of meet a girl, move on to the next girl, and concentrate on things like, you know,

Speaker 2 instant lays and how to have one night stands.

Speaker 4 For me, it's instant lays. They call it ILs in the community, Chrissy.
You got to get in there and get a bunch of ILs.

Speaker 4 Instant lays. IL, baby.
IL.

Speaker 4 Oh, yes. An instant lay.
That means you walk into the the bar, instantly laid. Boom.
Vagina, dick,

Speaker 4 meat, boom.

Speaker 4 Explosions everywhere. Clean up aisle three, and you're out.
249 left to go. You know what I'm saying, Chrissy? Oh, yeah.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 You prolong that. How can you ideally meet the person you want to be with and stay with them forever?

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 4 I don't know. I don't know.
But maybe he'll explain it to us in the next segment. Let's take a break

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Speaker 4 All right, we just learned that Adam is in fact, or was in fact married for a brief period of time, 2009 to 2013, longer than my first marriage. But anyway,

Speaker 4 all right, all right, settle down.

Speaker 4 Teaching relationships. Our next title card here.

Speaker 2 Two years ago, there is absolutely no way that I would have considered myself as somebody qualified enough to teach relationships. I purposely haven't.

Speaker 2 Even though I was dating at the time, I wanted to make sure that I was coming down it with a point of authority.

Speaker 2 I don't think you can talk about relationships until you've been married and seen it right through to the end. And I'm still like,

Speaker 4 foreshadow me.

Speaker 4 Wow, well, you took it to the end. It ended.
It ended four short years later.

Speaker 2 You and my marriage, I'm still not in a position. You're not going to find me coming out of any kind of marriage product anytime soon.
I want the experience and the wealth of knowledge before.

Speaker 4 Marriage product.

Speaker 4 The perfect woman.

Speaker 2 It's really hard for me to work out whether whether my personal journey through this and coming to the conclusion of one perfect woman being for me is what everybody wants.

Speaker 2 But I truthfully believe that for me, for my own journey, from somebody who did have that, and people have seen my journey. They've seen the phases where I didn't have any girls in my life.

Speaker 2 They've seen me learn. They've seen me go through it.
It's been documented how I went from somebody who wanted to get a lot of girls to somebody who succeeded.

Speaker 2 I ran projectentourage.com, one of the largest club hosting companies in London.

Speaker 4 Humble bragging all the way to success. Project Entourage.
Project Entourage, Chrissy. It's been well documented, my journey to pussy success.

Speaker 4 Anybody who documents their journey to pick up artist success is just

Speaker 4 might have something wrong with them. I don't know.

Speaker 4 I mean, I'm not saying everybody is the same, and I'm not saying all quote-unquote dating coaches, which is a big word that includes a lot of different types of men and women.

Speaker 4 I'm not saying all of them are bad. Sometimes maybe you feel like you need somebody to give you a pep talk or something like that.
But this guy, no way.

Speaker 2 I had those women in my life. They're still on my Facebook.

Speaker 4 Check out my Facebook, AdamLions.com.

Speaker 2 I achieved that. And I know that for me specifically, I definitely wanted that one.

Speaker 2 I speculate, I hypothesize that that's the same for every other guy. But unfortunately, this is a case study of just one guy.
And from there, I can't judge any further than that.

Speaker 4 Thanks for bringing that clear. You're so scientific in your methods, Adam.
So scientific. Yeah, I mean, he really is just answering his own stuff.
Right, yeah. There's nobody asking him.

Speaker 4 No, no one's asking him this.

Speaker 4 These title cards were made backwards. He came up with his own questions.
He's giving his own answers. This is all just spoon-fed.
At a mall in Florida. Yeah,

Speaker 4 at an outdoor mall in Florida, where he's just giving himself a reason to humble brag about all the stuff he's done. The feminization of America.
Here we go.

Speaker 4 Here we go.

Speaker 4 I'm going to hate on the women I so desperately need.

Speaker 2 To people who view that perhaps the male population of the world has become feminized and we've allowed the women to kind of like take over.

Speaker 2 I really just see that as part of the balance in the sexes. I think that we definitely lived in a very male patriarchal society where males are very much dominating things.

Speaker 2 And I think that now as we wait.

Speaker 4 Wait, Chrissy. Might we agree with something Adam has to say?

Speaker 4 But it's reintroduced that balance.

Speaker 2 I think guys don't really know.

Speaker 4 Wait for it. He's going to to drink it.
He's going to fuck it up somehow.

Speaker 2 I think they've never really known how to maintain a balance because they've always used to being in a position of power. And I think that's definitely created some sort of imbalance.

Speaker 2 And I do think that the community is a splinter off that's kind of evolved from that need for men to realize how to maintain that balance.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but we splintered straight off into 21 Convention. Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's right.

Speaker 4 Yeah, somehow 21 Convention was the way we splintered off.

Speaker 2 When you learn pickup artistry, when you get good at it, really all you do is become a little bit more female.

Speaker 4 With this...

Speaker 4 Okay. All right.

Speaker 4 Not sure how that works.

Speaker 4 Maybe in the woman's shoes. Maybe.
But I don't think I agree with that particular statement. But okay.

Speaker 4 I was with you all the way up until then.

Speaker 2 And I think what we're going to see is a consistent change. And there'll be some kind of equilibrium that sets.
And that will constantly be at at battle.

Speaker 2 I mean, at the end of the day, the war between the sexes is one that will never end, hopefully, because if it ever does, that will mean the you know the loss for all of us.

Speaker 4 Wow, what

Speaker 4 I don't even understand what that means.

Speaker 4 No, ah, war ends, we all lose. You know what I'm saying, Chrissy? Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 4 we have to fight each other to the balance, and then there's a war, and then we lose.

Speaker 4 Snake charmers, that's the

Speaker 4 snake charmers.

Speaker 2 There were definitely a bunch of people when they first started the community that were seen as snake charmers.

Speaker 2 There were definitely people that I believe don't have the skill to pull off what they've got. I'm not the kind of person that goes around and drops names on people, but I can say I know for a fact.

Speaker 4 You're not dropping any names. No, no, no, no, no.
Yeah, you're not dropping any kind of

Speaker 4 humble brag. You're not one to say anything too ostentatious out loud.
Just say the names, Adam, so that we can find their videos.

Speaker 2 Some guys that are charging $3,000 for a course, sometimes more.

Speaker 4 Michael Amta lifestyle.

Speaker 4 John Ampethy lifestyle, sorry.

Speaker 2 Every girl I ever get just breaks up with me and all I want to do is settle down with one.

Speaker 2 And then they then go out and preach how it's important to have multiple girls and you shouldn't just stick with one.

Speaker 2 And it pains me. It pains me to hear it.

Speaker 4 And I know there are people who would love me to come out and point their finger at those people.

Speaker 2 But unfortunately, if I do that, they're only going to point one right back and try and make up falsehoods.

Speaker 2 Because if they're happy to to lie about how great they are, they're going to be happy to lie at how bad other people are. So, I've got this whole philosophy.

Speaker 2 It comes from my game and it comes from everything. I try and add value to as many people as possible.
And I'm going to go out there and I'm going to help as many people as possible.

Speaker 4 And by adding value, I mean dropping seed in your uterus. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Literally, person by person, I'm going to prove that this does work.

Speaker 4 Literally, woman by woman, I'm on a mission to seed the entire world. Literally, literally.

Speaker 2 And that we can help people.

Speaker 4 We can help people. Oh, we we can help people.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 4 Mother Teresa.

Speaker 4 Let go of the old chicks.

Speaker 4 Get the new chicks.

Speaker 2 The only thing that's ever pissed me off about the community, the only thing that's really got under my skin, is a lot of the old issues being drug across to the current things.

Speaker 2 When we first started doing our boot camps, and I first started running them, I was running them back in 2006. My early boot camps were nowhere near the quality that they are now.

Speaker 2 My boot camps in 2008 are completely different to how they are in 2009. I'm constantly evolving and changing.

Speaker 4 So three short years later, the quality has improved. 10x, Chrissy.

Speaker 2 And I'm seeing that in my students' results, in the testimonials that I'm getting, we're getting more and more people with success.

Speaker 2 I think the one thing that pisses me off is as soon as somebody has one bad experience from the past, they definitely try and translate that.

Speaker 2 So if they do a really bad boot camp with one of our competitors, they'll suddenly assume that all future boot camps with everybody else, whether they've done one or not, is bad.

Speaker 4 And even if they boot camps.

Speaker 4 bump that penis, bump that penis, thrust, thrust, thrust, peacock, peacock, peacock.

Speaker 4 One, two.

Speaker 4 One, lean against the wall.

Speaker 4 Stare her up and down. Don't talk, no words.

Speaker 4 She'll come to you, soldier.

Speaker 4 Put that motor down, not yet.

Speaker 4 More peacock, peacock, peacock.

Speaker 4 Get her into your room. Low lighting, loud music.
Let's go, let's go, Let's go.

Speaker 4 You're getting late this weekend. Yes, sir.
I can hear you.

Speaker 4 Instant lay.

Speaker 4 I don't know what they may say. I don't know what they may say.
Going for nothing but an instant lay.

Speaker 4 Sound off. Hard dick.
Sound of.

Speaker 4 Keep

Speaker 2 had perhaps a less than perfect experience for for myself, then they aren't willing to come again.

Speaker 4 I'm trying to think about this because we have reviewed so many of these. Adam, was Adam the one was, or he was like in his apartment? Yes.
And he was talking about the girls. Yes, the low lighting.

Speaker 4 He was the one who told us how he brought home a girl and he had the lighting. He like flipped on.
He had a light setting that was setting the mood and a playlist.

Speaker 4 He definitely had a playlist for getting laid. And

Speaker 4 it was like a two-hour cab ride or something. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 This is basically a sales pitch for his boot camps.

Speaker 4 He has a lot of bad press out there, and he's trying to tell you that it's other people's boot camps, not my boot camps.

Speaker 2 People that think that it doesn't work, drag him out there, give them a completely freebie, and just show them how much difference we can really make to people.

Speaker 4 He's got that used car salesperson smile at the end of everything he says.

Speaker 4 Politics and money. Uh-oh.

Speaker 2 There is definitely political siding and conflict and sort of like a background

Speaker 2 subterfuge that goes on around the community with the corporates definitely trying to take things for themselves to generate as much profits as possible.

Speaker 4 Which corporations are are in on the pickup artist business? 21 Convention? The people you're doing the video for right now?

Speaker 2 However, I think you're going to find that in any industry anywhere in the world. I've worked in public relations.
I've worked in marketing. I've worked in the movie industry.

Speaker 2 I've worked in television and all of these places.

Speaker 4 The movie industry? The porn movie industry?

Speaker 4 Which movie industry?

Speaker 2 This had their own different political intrigue that was going on. It's just what happens when you mix money.

Speaker 4 What? The different branches of the community.

Speaker 2 I genuinely feel that the community itself has always had a number of different branches.

Speaker 2 There's definitely been people that are very much more about improving your life, improving your lifestyle, and trying to help you with that side of things.

Speaker 2 And there are definitely those that are always going to be talking about magic tricks and routines and kind of like the number one line that's going to guarantee to get any girl to want you.

Speaker 4 Mystery. Notice the guy in the background waving

Speaker 4 hand motion. Yeah, he's 70-year-old.
He wants to get in. He sees Adam.
He's like, I took your course last week.

Speaker 2 And I think that's just how it is. It splinters in different ways.
We're always going to see that separation. There'll be new types of pickup methodology that we can't even imagine right now.

Speaker 2 I heard there's a guy who's specializing in Halloween game.

Speaker 4 Everyone's creating their own different niche game. Riches in the niches, bitches.
That's right. Halloween game.

Speaker 4 Take my course. It only works one night a year.

Speaker 4 Put on a mask.

Speaker 4 Halloween game.

Speaker 4 I have to know. Now I have to know.

Speaker 4 Where can we find the Halloween game video? I want to know.

Speaker 2 He's within it.

Speaker 4 That Halloween works one night.

Speaker 4 Put on a mask.

Speaker 4 Put on a mask. Pretend you're not you.

Speaker 4 Oh, independent versus corporate. Uh-oh.

Speaker 4 Here's where it all falls apart. It's always a Walmart of pickup artists coming in to squash the little guy.
That's right. The mom and pop pussy game

Speaker 4 gets squashed by big pussy.

Speaker 4 Big pussy. Michigan on the world.

Speaker 2 I've seen a lot of different types of guys within the community. I've seen the core big companies and I've seen a lot of the independent movement.

Speaker 2 Within London, when I first started coming out to it, I was one of the independents. I was one of the first guys that came out of it.
From my honest experience...

Speaker 4 up.

Speaker 4 I rose up to the independent

Speaker 4 ladder.

Speaker 4 Like Allen Chains in the early days of Seattle Grunge Rock scene.

Speaker 4 He was one of the first people.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he was one of the first independents. No selling out here, bro.

Speaker 4 You won't find any John Anthony lifestyle banners at my boot camp. No, Siree Bob.

Speaker 4 Stay free.

Speaker 2 The independent guys have a shelf life. There's only so long they can maintain it because there is so much bulk of work that has to be done.

Speaker 4 Well, I think that's true of any guy. There's only so long we can maintain it.
You know what I mean? You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 That eventually it starts to wear on you. You need to kind of take that relaxed lifestyle.

Speaker 2 Now, I know some of them have managed to survive that by living certain times, sort of parts of the year in a different part of the world that's a lot cheaper to live.

Speaker 2 Coming into more affluent areas and using that to help them survive. I know some of my good friends do that by living in Thailand and working in Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 But I think in reality, if you're looking at this career, if you're looking at it long-term, you need that infrastructure. You do need support of a big company.

Speaker 2 It was definitely a decision that I came to after being an independent for a good couple of years. Having a big company behind you.

Speaker 4 Wait, who? What big company is supporting pickup artists? I think he means the 21 Convention. I think so, too.
I think that's.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and I guess people that maybe take, he's talking about infrastructure. I mean, I guess people that take the calls and book the

Speaker 4 book the appointments, yeah, and lead you to the right dating coach, quote unquote. I mean, they're really the apple of the pickup artist community.

Speaker 4 If you're going to survive in this community, I just find it sad that people have to live in Thailand all year long on the beach and then come to Los Angeles to

Speaker 4 teach me how to pick up women on Halloween.

Speaker 4 One night only.

Speaker 4 I specialize in the Easter game.

Speaker 4 Hop around like a bunny.

Speaker 2 Definitely helps, if only with advertising, marketing, and having a receptionist to answer emails.

Speaker 2 There's definitely a a tipping point where you can only have so much success without bothering to set up the infrastructure. And everyone's seen it.

Speaker 2 When you're an independent, when you start making that much money, when you start growing, you have to set the infrastructure up and become a corporate.

Speaker 4 And if you don't, what happens is you end up with upsetting clients. Everyone's seen it.

Speaker 4 Everyone knows about that tipping point when you've got too much patooty tang to deal with.

Speaker 4 And money, it's literally flowing out of your ears.

Speaker 2 And your name ends up falling apart. And you see the rise of the fall of these independents all the time.
The average independent lasts maybe a year or two years before everything starts to look like.

Speaker 4 How do you know that? Where are those stats? The average independent one year. Acting like this is like some well-worn industry.

Speaker 4 It's very much the Wild West as far as I can tell. I don't know because I'm not a dating coach or a pickup artist or whatever.
Or in the market for you.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but it seems like put your videos on YouTube. Hope that people call your phone number and order your course.
And if they do, you'll make money. And if they don't, you won't.

Speaker 4 And he's right about one thing. Any small business has its toils and troubles.
And, you know, as an independent podcast, you, you know, it's like you have your ups, you have your downs.

Speaker 4 You go with a network because they have the people who can sell your business, right?

Speaker 4 I mean, I get what he's saying, but I just don't see the pickup artist business being that big that it would sustain big corporate.

Speaker 4 When he's saying big corporate, he really makes it sound like there's a Walmart of pickup artists out there.

Speaker 2 Unless they set up an infrastructure. And then what happens is you just have a new corporate setup.
I think Miha was a great example of that.

Speaker 2 He was an independent that splintered off, and then he went corporate. He had to, because in order to sustain the Miha

Speaker 4 I'm not even going to go there. I'm just going to leave that one up.

Speaker 4 Miha!

Speaker 2 Kind of size that he was getting, he needed the corporate infrastructure to keep it alive.

Speaker 4 Okay, one more.

Speaker 4 Ever-changing community.

Speaker 2 I personally feel that the community is an ever-changing construct.

Speaker 4 And I don't think it's a living organism, Chrissy. It breathes on its own.

Speaker 2 I think that realistically, the community is always going to change. It'll have its ups.
There'll be media stories where we're portrayed in a bad light.

Speaker 2 And then every so often you'll have it where it goes the other way completely. And it shouldn't be.

Speaker 4 No, no, never seen a

Speaker 4 public sentiment moving toward. Well, there was that time that VH1 had mystery had his own show.
That's right. But that was the whiz-bang 90s when a lot of things were different.

Speaker 4 We do dating shows from the 90s all the time. Things were just different back then.
I think pickup artists generally are seen in a negative light because of the things that they say.

Speaker 4 Not because they're victims of their own success, but because they're victims of their own dumb ideology.

Speaker 2 And suddenly the pickup community will be dating coaches, helping out the poor guy who's a virgin.

Speaker 2 It's always going to shift around. It's always going to be moved around.
And realistically, the media are going to control how people see it.

Speaker 2 At the end of the day, I try and do things one student at a time, helping as many people as I can.

Speaker 4 One hard cock at a time, Chrissy. One lonely virgin at a time.
Boner at a time.

Speaker 4 All right. Hello, Adam.
Hell, Adam. It was like 10 more minutes ago, but I don't think I can hear Adam talk anymore.

Speaker 4 To himself? No, not to himself.

Speaker 4 His own soliloquy about himself and all the wonderful things he's done, but how he's a changed man now. Look at that dumb grin on his face.
Look at that dumb grin on his face.

Speaker 4 He really does look like a clown.

Speaker 4 Oh, man. Oh, we already have had feedback about the 12 hours of TCB, and some people are questioning our sanity.
Yes.

Speaker 4 So are we. Yes, we are.
No doubt about it. But it is mental health.
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Speaker 4 We'll see how it goes. We'll share more about the minutiae, but don't worry about us.
We've set this up in a way that I think we're going to be okay. 12 hours of TCB, May 31st.
That's a Saturday.

Speaker 4 So if you choose to keep up with it, you can. And I don't think there's any major sporting events.
I don't know, but I checked and it doesn't look like it. It's the weekend after.
It's baseball.

Speaker 4 Weekend after Memorial Day. That's right.

Speaker 4 So have your fun and then, you know, get some popcorn.

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Speaker 4 And then we we will be doing also live recording too, meaning we'll record and you'll be able to tune in and watch us record. So you'll be able to hear it just a little bit early.

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