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Best to you out there in the podcast universe. How the hell are you? Thanks for joining us on a TCB infomercial Tuesday with our friend Trey Crowder.
Trey Crowder is a noted comedian and political commentarian, I guess is the best way to put that, known as the liberal redneck. And some of you will know his work and some of you will not.
Some of you will care and some of you won't. But I really think that Trey has got some important stuff to say.
I've enjoyed his stuff for a long time, so I'm glad that he is coming in. Trey is on the constant never-ending stand-up tour, as most comedians are, and he's a very popular one.
TreyCrowder.com is where you can get tickets to any of his shows. He's also got a brand new special out on YouTube in his website called Trash Daddy.
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Yeah, have a conversation. Absolutely.

And I'm open to conversations on all sides of the aisle

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Although Frankie's B seems to have gone away. I don't know where Frankie is.
What's that? Got a girlfriend. I know, but he could make a video about something, about his diet, about his hair plugs, about something.
I wish Frankie B would make a video. I'm like almost tempted, almost tempted to write him and say, we're out of content to review, bro.
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There's a link to his special Trash Daddy up there. Let's do this.
I know that this is but but you know, we don't always need to blab on forever. We do that.
We'll do that on the 12 hours of TCB. How's that? So why don't we take a break, Chrissy, now.
And then when we come back through the magic of telepodcasting, very popular overnight, I say overnight, I'm sure there's some story behind that. But overnight sensation, Trey Crowder will be here with us in studio.
He's been on Bill Maher. He's been on MSNBC.
He's been on in movies and documentaries. And he's a hot commodity.
Why he's showing up here, I have no idea. But maybe we'll ask him that too.
Which agent are you going to fire after this appearance?

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I think we should do it.

All right.

You make this rather snappy, won't you? I have some really heavy thinking to do before 10 o'clock.

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I'm doing all right, all things considered, hanging in there.

What are all the things to consider?

When you say that, what are all the things to consider?

Just the general dissolution of society and everything.

The general breakdown of democracy?

Is that what you're talking about?

Yeah, that type of thing.

We ain't got to just dive right into politics or nothing.

I just mean, I feel like a good chunk of people are generally feeling like things are not entirely great let's put that it's like a you know it's a uh one way to put it i agree we've talked about it it just feels soupy out there right it's just everybody feels a little bit on edge right now just like the general energy in the. If you read the room, it feels like everyone's one step away from a nervous breakdown from the Starbucks.
Even when you drive, it feels like people are just getting aggressive for no reason. It feels very weird.
But let's start with the easy stuff. I agree with you.
90 Day Fiance is the greatest example of what is going on here in this country and how proud we should be as Americans of what we've built because so many beautiful men and women seem to want to hang on to dum-dums in this country just to get in the front door. Yeah, there's a bit about that on my new special Trash Daddy because that's what I always thought.
Whenever I watch 90 Day Fiance with my wife, that was the thing that like struck me the most about it was i was it made me feel like oddly patriotic or whatever because like you know you just watch these people these like gorgeous people from uh you know all over the world who are just like just attaching themselves to complete jabroni you know just loser just just so they can get into america and it's like man people will go to great lengths to get into america and it's uh that's got to be indicative of something and i'm sure for a lot of those people in a lot of those places even now that holds true but that it's funny like that bit the special that bits on i recorded it a few months ago and it like just came out and i've been feeling like you know i wonder how true that still is or feels now like i bet there's at least some of those people in some of those places are rethinking their decision to try to you know infiltrate over here you know my wife's uh listeners of the show will obviously know this but my wife is venezuelan and like when i sayuelan, like when I met her, she was living in Venezuela and then moved to Switzerland to get her master's degree. And I chased her around Europe for a couple of months, brought her back to the United States.
But when we first started watching that show, which kind of the beginning of that show coincided with our own story, we were like, that resembles nothing like anything that we went through. These people are, I mean, the chances of their success in their marriage is zero to minus seven on a good day.
It's just so clear that some of these people are ill-fitting and it makes for great television. But you wonder how in the world they're going to stay together.
Right. And I think they don't think that's a secondary concern to the producers of the of the show you know like they they ensure they specifically select uh the you know the wildest pairings that they can but since you have some personal experience like i don't even know the like foundational premise of that show like is that accurate like with that you know the 90-day window thing and all that it is so so there are multiple ways to bring your loved one specifically someone you want to marry or you're married to over to the united states there are multiple paths to get there 90 the 90-day visa is one of them it's an option that can be considered and you do have 90 days as the clock starts.
And it does take a process. There is a process by which you, I mean, it's really strict.
You have to go by it, but that's not the process by which we accomplished being able to live together here in the United States. But that 90-day visa program is no joke.
And it's 90 days and you're out. And I've heard from other people, if you do that 90 days and you don't get married, your chances of getting back in the country and from some countries, even on a tourist visa, are slim to none because they imagine you're coming in now just for other purposes, right? To be in.
It's really, you know, it's such a stressful thing to go through when you fall in love with somebody from another country and you have to get lawyers involved. And so many people, I would imagine, did not have the same resources that I did to actually hire an attorney to walk you through the steps and all that.
And you would think that it would just be a little bit easier, that if you actually fell in love with somebody and the relationship was real and you could prove that to whoever you needed to prove to, that it would just be, okay, go on about your life. But it's not that way.
It's an unduly stressful situation to go through. And luckily it worked out fine for us.
We didn't have any drama. But so many of our friends and family members who have been through similar things have been through so much drama.
And now today, 2025, I couldn't imagine going through. I couldn't.
Yeah. Well, it's funny.
I mean, I totally believe you, obviously, but I just always think about this buddy of mine. Now, this was years ago.
I mean, this is like 2005. That's like 20 years ago.
We were 19, 20, 21, something like that at the time, and I had a friend that was in the military, joined the Army, and was not the sharpest tool in the shed, but a bit of a wild card. This guy, like he would get like a signing bonus and just like buy kayaks from gas stations and he would crash into embankments immediately.
He'd rent cars and take them like off-roading and mudding and stuff and then just bottom them out and get sued and shit like that all the time so you know not the soundest decisions but i always remember he showed up when he didn't even tell us this was gonna happen he like came to a get together we were having or something with this uh this girl none of us had ever met and she was from like columbia or bolivia or some some south african or south american country i can't remember And it was totally out of the blue. And he was like, hey, guys, this is my wife.
And we were like, you're what? And he was just openly discussing how like, he was like, yeah, so she gave me like 200 bucks, right? It was literally like $200 or something. He's like, she gave me like 200 bucks so we could get married so that she could have like a whatever, you know, a Visa or green card, however it works.
Yeah. And it's like, and he was just talking about it very casually and like shrugging it off.
And then I, you know, I never, and I don't think he, I don't know if he ever saw that girl again, like after that, but like, I'm assuming in retrospect, they probably were not doing it right but like no but the way he was like i know i mean i know it was i know it was like shady sure but i mean in terms of like even you know accomplishing it properly they probably were not but it always just seemed like the way he the way he presented it and the way i experienced it it just seem like the most casual, ridiculous thing in the world. He's like, yeah, she gave me $200.
We got married. Now everything's, she got what she wanted.
And then I don't care. You know, here's the crazy thing.
A similar story. When I was, I'm twice married.
Right after I got a divorce, I met a girl through some friends. And then we started like loosely dating, but she'd always come over to my house.
I was never invited over there. And then one day she said, I said, well, why don't we swing by your house for something? And she said, I feel like we're far enough along, like fourth date.
I got to tell you something. I'm married.
And I thought to my, and she goes, but before you freak out, before you freak out, I'm married for the green card. And I go, for your green card? I thought, you know, and she was like, no, for this, for my husband's green card.
And we'd live together for appearances. And I was like, oh, okay.
I had no experience with this. I had no idea, but they lived together.
They had businesses together. They had like a business together.
They had bank accounts together. To give the appearance that all of this was real, he paid her bills.
Right. And he got to stay in the country, essentially.
Now, I understand this is 1,000% illegal, right? And we didn't date for very long after that because I got uncomfortable with the idea that her husband was in the house. but then later on in the, like, you know, two days later, she explained that that was not the first time that she had been married for those purposes.
Wow. So I totally understand that there is fraud that happens, obviously, in this process, in this system.
90 Day Fiance, it's a really hard way to commit that, you know what I'm saying, to commit that fraud fraud like you would think if you're going to go through all that drama to be on tv for 30 episodes of 90 day there's some attraction or at least the willingness to go through it there um but you know it's flawed in a lot of ways but at least for me when i went through it it being obviously it was kind of a light felt life or death for me when i went went through it, it felt very stressful and we had to, you know, have reams of documents and pictures and interviews. And we, but we never got hassled to be fair to the immigration.
We never got hassled. Everybody was always like, he seems like you have a beautiful start of a beautiful family.
Congratulations. You know, your, your visa is approved, which is like the biggest relief you can ever feel when you're in that situation is when an officer or someone in charge says you're good.
And it's like, Oh, thank God we can kind of, um, rest. But, you know, I imagine that I always thought to myself, wouldn't Donald Trump just put a stop to that 90 day, uh, fiance show immediately.
That felt to me like a, like a place to start like low-hanging fruit for him he hasn't attacked it yet though yeah i don't know well you know he loves ratings and stuff like he loves a hit and even though it seems like antithetical to their whole general immigration philosophy it's a tv show that people like and so he probably thinks they're you know doing great work over there or whatever i would imagine which i mean from a tv perspective you know not that they're not uh there's like eight spinoffs or whatever there's something we get something to them does your wife watch all of them does she watch no we didn't watch all we just went through a little spell there where we were watching it you know um i actually it actually wasn't even her it was I was gonna we it doesn't make any sense we were trying to yeah we were trying to do a uh these me and these two guys other comedians cory and drew that i have a podcast with and collaborate with and stuff we were trying we were doing these digital sketches for comedy central at the time and we were thinking about doing one that was Drew had the idea to do one based on 90 Day Fiance and I'd never

seen it so to like watch it or to research it i mean i watched it and then ended up you know getting sucked into it yeah i got hooked a little bit and like watched a whole season or two or whatever and then we never even did that sketch by the way so i just watched it just to watch it you wasted 36 hours of your life i mean the episodes too are like almost two hours yeah it's too much yeah it's too much it's jumped the shark i'm done with it but anyway you uh you have quite the career uh trey i i have to ask i've been watching you for a long time and i I really think you're very smart, very, very sharp. And you've got a political flavor of comedy.
In 2016, I think it's 2016, you kind of had this video go viral, right? Yeah. And what was that like? Because you kind of went from zero to a thousand overnight, I imagine.
I mean, I know you probably had been doing comedy for some time, right? I know that overnight stories take a lot longer than one night success stories. But what was that like to go through that in the moment? No, yeah, you're right.
I mean, both of those things are true. I started stand-up in 2010 in Knoxville, Tennessee, where I was living at the time.
uh and i had been doing it for like you know six years or whatever and it was going fine like for all things considered i lived in knoxville and i had like a manager in la and i'd gotten into this uh writer's development program that nbc had and all this stuff so i was feeling pretty encouraged by it but i was in you know complete anonymity like I had no following no one no one knew who I was or anything like that couldn't sell any tickets or nothing but I still you know was pleased enough with how it was going and then I uh decided to make these internet video at the time in stand up I was closing with this bit about the simplest thing but it it was basically just on a set list. If I wrote it out, I called it the liberal redneck bit, but I never said the words liberal redneck on stage.
It was basically, I said, you know, everybody that hears this accent assumes I'm one type of person, like a Bible thumping troglodyte, because that's the only time you ever hear this accent in the media. It's that type of person, but I'm not that type of person, so I got to figure something out to try to balance the scales.
I got to find a way. I need to go out in public and be just as loud and redneck-y as they are, but just say a bunch of super liberal shit to try to balance the scales.
And then I would literally just scream a bunch of like really really liberal political

talking points but in the most redneck fashion that i could and it like it i closed with it it always worked even in like like small comedy clubs in like southern cities and stuff like that like it always worked because it's wild to say now but in that time you know 2015 ish and like Like, it wasn't as, like, charged, the politics.

It wasn't as divided, yeah.

Right, so, so like people would uh there'd be plenty of people in the crowd who were like they were conservative but they would still laugh at that bit because it was just like that's just a funny juxtaposition you know so it like it worked as a stand-up bit and i had the idea to try to make like internet videos out of it and uh at first i was like ah man but you know i'll have to buy a fancy camera i'll have to figure out how to edit things and light things i don't know how to do any of that and uh it just felt like a barrier to entry or something uh and then one day I saw this preacher guy, a deep South preacher somewhere in North Carolina, who was standing in the woods by a big truck just yelling in his phone. He was preaching fire and brimstone about the dangers of transgender people using the bathrooms with their little girls and all this type of stuff.
And it's like not a dick joke inside. It wasn't funny at all.
Just spewing venom. And it had like 20 million views or something like that on Facebook amongst people on the right, obviously.
But when I saw that, I was like, oh, wow. Okay.
Like, I don't, if, if that guy doing that thing, like, if that's what I'm trying to, you know, like make fun of or whatever, then I, I don't need to do anything fancy about it. In fact, that would be a mistake.
Like it would, that would be the wrong thing to do. Like I should just do exactly what this guy does.
I should just pull my phone out and yell at it. And once I had that sort of realization, I made the first one in the next couple of days.
And the first one got like 50,000 views or something, which I was over the moon about. I was thrilled with that.
And then the second one I made was also about the whole transgender bathroom law thing. And that one went to the moon at 30, 50 million views or something.
And just went crazy megaton viral and changed my life literally overnight. So it was like zero to 1,000.
So I'd been working at it for a while. And it was a very deliberate thing.
But I also did not expect it to work like that. And then when it did, like I still had a day job at the time, and I posted it the night before, and I was sitting at my day job the next day, and it was like an office job.
I worked for the U.S. Department of Energy, which I'm sure won't exist soon, but I used to work there.
And I was sitting in a conference room in some meeting and like my phone like got hot in my pocket like so hot like i don't know if you remember around this era phones were would sometimes just explode yes yes phones used to just blow up for a while so my phone got like real hot in my pocket and i like freaked out put it out threw, threw it on the table or whatever. Like, you know, told everybody to duck, get down.
It's going to blow. But it didn't, it wasn't exploding.
It's because I had, you know, I got like notifications and stuff and it like overloaded my phone, you know, when it all like started. And the phone never did explode, but it got like, it ran the battery completely down in like 15 minutes or something.
And my phone died and I'm still at, uh, and I'm still at work knowing that something is happening. But you know, now my phone is dead and I'm there the rest of the day.
And by the time I got off work and got home, it was like, you know, I mean, like I said, my life had changed. I wasn't ready for it either.
either like i i did now i have a fan page on first of all at this point in time facebook was still the main one yeah that's what i keep hearing out of you like on facebook and it's like facebook who uses that for anything but dating and buying old shoes yes well 10 years ago almost 10 years ago facebook was still the main one of course uh and so all this was on facebook and I didn't even have a fan page or nothing. That first video that went viral was just on my personal Facebook page.
Crazy. So I maxed out my number of Facebook friends immediately.
First of all, I shouldn't have been accepting all those people as friends. Because it's different.
Followers and friends, it's two different things. But at the time, I was like i got you know that i gotta accept everybody i accept everybody but i maxed that out immediately and then and it was just nuts and i was getting i got contacted by warner brothers they signed me to a development deal i signed a book deal with a publisher i started touring i quit my day job started touring i didn't think anyone was gonna even in spite of all that i didn't't think anyone was going to come to the shows.
I was like, you know, dude, look, it's one thing to watch somebody, like to click play on a video on your computer or on a phone. Right.
Like it's a very different thing to spend $20 and get a babysitter or whatever and come out to a comedy show. I was like, nobody's going to do that because of these.
And we posted, we did like a trial run one week of dates. And the very first tour date I ever had as a headliner was at the Punchline in Atlanta.
And it sold out like almost immediately. And we had to add a second show and it sold out too.
And that's when I was like, holy shit, this is wild. How long does it take you to get that? Does the development deal do they like those yearly agents just like send that over to you the next day they're like oh my god they want to sign you to a development does that happen just so quickly that first one i so so thankfully i said i did beforehand i had a manager already who lived in los angeles but she was very green and new she was like a rookie manager herself you know so but she but yeah but she uh still she helped me navigate all that because she at least you know had some notion of how things were supposed to work but like i didn't even have an agent yet or anything and the first the warner brother that the um like uh assistant to or secretary of or something like that of the president of Warner Brothers Television, like, sent me a message on Facebook.
Oh, my God. Is how that happened initially.
And then I got contacted by a literary agent because she knew that, you know, there was whatever, a publisher who wanted to do a book deal or something and um yeah and it just i mean it was wild and then i was on you know a couple months later i was on like real time with bill maher the friday after the election in 2016 like three days after the election appearance i do remember that i think. I think that was my introduction to Trey Crowder.
That was crazy. That was so surreal, that whole thing.
Because, I mean, you know. Of course.
Everybody was pretty gobsmacked in that audience or in that production staff and everything. People were not expecting that to have happened.
And the mood was just wild. And especially added to it is the fact that i'm fresh out of the holler and i'm you know i'm nude all this so just the experience of even being there was crazy to me and then add on top of that the larger societal context and the energy and everything and it was like i mean it was nuts i remember that day after the election like uh we had just moved into to a house my wife and i freshly uh you know married basically and we were sitting on two patio chairs because our furniture hadn't shown up yet this big screen tv in this huge living room and watching and clear by nine o'clock at night and i was like this is fucking insane.
I don't know what happened. And the next morning I took a run down at the park where I've been running for years.
And I just remember everybody looked shell shocked. It felt to me similar to the day after nine 11 when everyone was like, what just, what hangover are we in? What universe did we end up in? In such a weird time.
But then you go, okay, well, here it is. Let's hope for the best, right? Let's wish that everything, let's hope that someone, there's an adult in the room and everybody figures it out.
Did you, when did the, for you, when did you sense the energy started changing and becoming more divided? I think it's clear that right now there's a lot of, I'm on this team, I'm on that team. There's a lot of tribalism that goes on in this country, whether that be real sports teams, religion, politics.
There's so much tribalism. We all have to identify with some group of people so that we have something and identify an enemy that we have to fight real or imagined did the did the after that election did the crowd start to change do you feel the energy of the crowd start to change um i mean i don't know i really do think like i know i just said a minute ago like right before I went viral and I was doing that bit on stage in 2015 and it was fine.
That is all true. But it still does feel to me like it a happened pretty quickly and be like, you know, coincided with the rise of Donald Trump and MAGA specifically.
And I feel like the reason for that is all the people who are not on board with it were so just so powerfully like you guys are joking right like that's you cannot be serious and then the people who are on board with it are were already so sensitive to feeling uh condescended to or however you want to put it by the same people that that you know that really struck a nerve with them the general reaction to it and also they like liked it in a way that we were so put off by the whole thing and it just like it was kind of woven into the whole MAGA experience from the very beginning I feel like and then so it you know as that got to be more and more of a thing leading up to the

election and certainly after they won it was like we were kind of in it at that point because i i had all i had been doing that bit at in front of live shows and never had a single problem with it ever but now that i have an internet presence i mean i'm that whole time you know in 2016 and everything like i mean i'm getting death threats and crazy stuff all all the time you know so uh yeah i felt like it happened pretty early on in the process and it has only gotten worse uh over the intervening years i feel like yeah it's gotten super intense and we do a particularly bland form of humor here we don't talk a lot of politics generally i think if you listen to the show you are what's that it's a good call yeah well it was 2020 it was 2020 right and so you know things had we were leading up into change and you could feel the tone and texture of the the the country was country was different than it was in 2016. It was clear that a lot of, a lot of people wanted to move in a different direction and it was the pandemic.
And so we just made a decision. There's so much of that is on television in people's ears.
So many people are talking about it. And so many people are smartly talking about it.
What are we going to add to the noise or are we going to cut through? And it was just clear that we were going to add to the noise. So I was like, let's just leave it alone.
Let's not talk about it. Let's give people a break from it.
The name is the commercial break. Let's give people like a real life commercial break from all this drama that's going on right now.
Now, since this last election, you know, I think our opinions are known. You know, I think one of the mistakes that was made in 2016 is that we all a lot of us on with certain feelings did go what the fuck are you thinking like you're clearly not well in the head if you think q anon is coming right you know that's sort of some day of judgment coming with some guy that's talking on reddit like i mean you know it just doesn't make sense.
I think the mistake early on was believing that everyone who felt supportive of some of these initiatives or felt

a certain way was just an idiot, right? Because that obviously turned out not to be true. Many

people felt like some of the ideas and principles that the conservatives believe in or that Trump

specifically believed in was something they also felt strongly about they felt left out by the process and maga let them in and um and so now it's a form of populism in my opinion yeah right and so um is that is it really i i gotta imagine i probably know the answer to this but i'm gonna ask it anyway it's it's got to be really tough sometimes to have this brand of comedy in this moment in 2025 because you do get death threats and people want to and you don't know who's out there you don't know who's taking it more seriously than the next guy right well i mean honestly i probably should i guess but i don't i don't really worry about that part of it too much and i guess it's because in nine years in i thankfully you know knock on wood i haven't had any kind of like real life experiences or anything that made me realize like oh this is you know this is a serious concern but it still is like tough i mean it's why i said you said yeah we don't do politics i was like yeah good call it's like because i've uh i mean there's a lot of aspects to it like um honestly before this most recent election it's not that i i did not think i knew what was going to happen i didn't know what was going to happen i was like i you know this could go either way in my mind we'll see. But had it gone the other way, I had fully intended to, like, I kind of had a plan in my head for, like, pivoting away from politics because in my head it was like, had it gone the other way, it's like, okay, we could put all this nastiness behind us and just kind of go back to the old boring version where people don't care as much.
Yeah, where no one talks about politics and all the corruption happens behind the scenes. Right, yes.
And then I could do, like I was going to do like, you know, cooking videos and just more stand-up clips and that type of thing. Yeah.
But then that didn't happen. And now I feel like almost obligated to, you know, keep, because of my brand and what I do.
It's like, well, I can't stop that now.

So I'm even, you know, I'm deeper in it now than I have been in recent years. But it is, you know, it's obviously it is it's divisive.
So it's like I'm on there's a huge chunk of people. I'm never going to get on board no matter what because of that.
But then also a massive part of it that I frankly never saw coming is that there's been a huge influx of like right-wing stuff in the comedy world specifically like and that never used to be the case it used to be like it was like a stereotype or a cliche even that it's like are there any uh conservative comedians is there anybody funny that's conservative it's like it just it just doesn't happen you'd there'd be like a couple of token ones you could throw out or whatever it's like well post 9-11 Dennis Miller is you know he's pretty good or it's like you know Nick DiPaolo or Adam Carolla or guys like that but like they were very much the minority and now the objectively the biggest uh people in the comedy world are like at least at least somewhat associated with like the right or if not all the way on the right at least they're like they're like you know anti-woke or whatever they're flirting with it they're flirting some of them some of those guys that get categorized over there i don't think it's fair i don't think they they are actually like that but they do have a lot of fans that believe they are like that and then and then some of those guys i mean it's you know they just are that way they just are that way yeah right but there's a huge chunk of them and they're like some of the biggest names in comedy and serious power brokers and all that and it's like i never ever would have anticipated that that would happen when i was getting started absolutely right and it's kind of strange it's like it's flipped upside down and part of me thinks that some of the podcast comedy man is fear whatever they're calling it these days bro is fear bro podcast fear i don't even know what the new name you know everything something everything's got a name I don't know what it is so part of me believes that that it's in fashion to troll and to press those buttons because that's where the clicks and the likes are and the more you can flirt with it and be controversial while maintaining a brand that can be on SNL or wherever, then the better off you're going to be. So it's like one foot in, one foot out.
And, you know, in for a penny, in for a pound kind of thing. Like, we're here now, so this is what I'm going to do.
And then five years from now, it'll be another thing. And then five years, it'll be another thing.
Feels disingenuous to me. And I think I can see through it with some of these folks.
And some of these folks, I believe they really believe it, right? That's the way it is. And there's no doubt that, you know, Rogan has had an influence on all of that.
He has become a serious power broker in comedy. No more Carson.
Now it's Rogan and others, right? But you have been faithful to kind of these causes that you have always, I imagine, believed in. You say that you grew up in a rather liberal household, and that may have been strange for where you grew up.
I mean, I think it's a stereotype to say that the entire Deep South is conservative, Bible-beating, troglodytes, as you put it,

because there are a lot of people who don't think that way or feel that way. We live in Atlanta, we know it, even in the deep, deep South, Valdosta, Georgia, or North Lake, Florida.
Yeah, and the rural areas, I think they also get a bad rap sometimes, too. I'm sure there are plenty of people who have liberal

leanings that live in those areas

also. But

I don't know. areas, I think they also get a bad rap sometimes too.
I'm sure there are plenty of people who have liberal leanings that live in those areas also. But when you were growing up, and I guess politics wasn't as much of a conversation starter back then, but did you ever feel like a fish out of water, believing and feeling certain ways, but yet being around in areas where there was a lot of conservative conversation oh yeah all the time but even though it wasn't as much of a thing you weren't supposed to talk about like religion and politics right but but still but the main thing for me i've talked about this a lot but it's true the thing that made it different is that like so i was raised by a single father and my dad had only one sibling a younger brother my uncle tim and my uncle tim is uh openly gay and has been since you know i was born so uh and this was you know i'm growing up i'm a kid in the 90s in the rural south so there's like i mean just rampant homophobia you know and uh and i i you know i always loved uncle tim and was always just very opposed to that and part of that also is that so like i also i did not grow up in the church at all uh so those two things definitely made me uh sort of stand out but the thing and also i was very combative is not the right word but i was very open with how I felt about that stuff and my disagreements.
And a lot of people are a lot of times the people in places like that who are on the other side or on the left or whatever, they just they like never speak up. And I don't blame them.
It's like you don't want to be the one that ruins Thanksgiving dinner or whatever or just gets yelled, gets ganged up on. Yeah.
So I get it. But I never had that problem when I i was growing up and what i've always chalked that up to is the other thing that was going on with me as a kid was that like i was the smart kid in my school and uh which i say now i realize now looking back is like being the straightest guy to share concert you know like it's not it's not really that impressive, but I didn know that i had no frame of reference so like at the time as a child and as a teenager like i literally left that town i left high school genuinely believing that i was like goodwill hunting like a like a prodigy level intellect like that's what i that's how i thought of myself right and then realizing in my

20s that that was not the case like really screwed me up and engendered a major quarter life crisis that fuck fuck with me like a lot of gifted kids have that problem being like a you know just a burned out husk at 26 or whatever because but anyway true but as a kid and as a teen i thought very, very highly of myself

in terms of intelligence and

intellect. And so it was always a thing where it's like, well, yeah, so many of these people surrounding me, they disagree with me.
But of course they do. They're all idiots, and I'm brilliant.
So it makes sense that I would be the only one who's right about this thing, you know? Like, that's how I looked at it, which is like- I'm Da Vinci and they're the dum-dums, right? Yes, exactly. And it's like, that's, you know, I realize now that's, I mean, I'm very self-aware of how douchey and insufferable that is now.
But at the time, I wasn't aware of that. So like, so i felt that way i had i just had no qualms about about just being up front with like that's ridiculous that you know you're wrong i'm right whatever and pushing back on people so like i remember one time a story i always think of we had uh our english class like one friday a month english class in high school became debate class because they didn't they couldn't justify an entire like debate team or debate class right but like one friday a month it'd be like okay today's debate day and uh we came in there one day and it was that friday and uh she goes this is you know 2003 or whatever the timeline was for this.
We were just gearing up to debate. The country was debating whether to go to war in Iraq, right? Like weapons of mass destruction and all that.
And she's like, who all here thinks we should go to war with Iraq? And roughly half the kids raised their hand. And she was like, okay, who thinks we shouldn't? And it was literally just me.
Like I was the only one who raised my hand in the whole class. And she goes like okay who thinks we shouldn't and it was literally just me

like i was the only one who raised my hand in the whole class and she goes and who doesn't have an

opinion and the other half of them raised their hand like i don't care and she's like okay you

guys are on trey's team you get over here on you guys get on this half of the room and everybody

else on this side but you know they had all just said they didn't even care so it was literally

just me it was literally just me versus the other half of the team. But I was completely unbothered by that.
Well, I ended up getting bothered by it because I was like, you know, they're over there yelling, it's like, they knocked their damn towers down. We got to do something.
And it's like, no, they didn't. I was bothered by the idiocy of it all.
But I wasn't bothered by the prospect of having to be alone and push back on that because I've been doing it my whole life. So, yes, I was very aware of being – it's like a running theme with me is I'm kind of a man without a country.
I've been that way my whole life because I never really fit in in my hometown, and now I live in L.A. And, I mean, you'll be surprised to hear I don't super fit in here either.
So I just kind of never really have. So I'm adjusted to it.
Do you have any – here's my sense of it. And like you, I grew up – I mean, I don't say when I grew up in a liberal household, I grew up in an Irish Catholic household.
And my father leaned conservative, my mother was liberal about almost every social issue, which I think I picked up on that kind of empathetic nature of hers. And it made me really see the world in a different way to put myself in other people's shoes before speaking and, you know, all that stuff, like do unto others, the stuff that Jesus taught, the pretty simple stuff.
But, you know, I always felt strongly that, you know, the government, a political faction shouldn't be bullies. That was just of my thing and so i'd never really felt strongly about conservatism because i always felt there was a little bit of that in it always um but that being said i don't disagree with everything that the conservatives have to say i don't think government should i don't think we should have to fill out a piece of paper in triplicate to walk across the street right i think the government needs to be smaller it needs to work more for the people in the middle and down below and i think that you know there's there is a lot of waste that goes on it and government and so for me i don't totally disagree with i hate doge and everything that it stands for under the under musk right but because i just don't agree with the methodologies and the way he's going about it and the reasoning that he's going about it i don't think it's as simple as i want to cut waste and fraud i think there's very complicated reasons in this own man's head but i agree that we could probably get rid of some of the stuff that that we just don't need or we're spending too much money on do you

feel that there is any common ground with the current administration do you feel like does does trey agree with any of the things oh the current administration i mean i mean kind of just to steal your answer i mean i died like i mentioned earlier i used to work for the department of energy so like like i know firsthand like i'm sorry if it's inconvenient for anybody but like it's just true there's a lot of areas in the federal government that could be uh tightened up let's say like it's pretty bad like i've got a political podcast of my co-host on there he's the smartest guy i know and he's very he's very anti all things you know trump and maga and all that and he hates elon and he hates doge and when we'll be talking about it i'll tell him i'll be like well look you know to be fair man like there's there you know we could clean some of it up and he just you know he's always like you know he don't want to He's like, that just feed, don't, you know. It feeds into the narrative.
Feeds into the narrative, whatever. But my whole thing with that, it's like, okay, but I know that it is true, though.
Or again. Yeah.
Like, I've seen it, so I'm not going to act like it isn't just because, you know, it's like inconvenient for my political beliefs or whatever. But like you said, the methodology methodology is insane and the way they're going about it is ridiculous so it kind of doesn't matter it's also like i'm even going back to the very beginning of trump it's like the town that i'm from in tennessee was wrecked by nafta and everything and opioids and all that and just it was actually a blue county for years up until like around the turn of the century like Southern Democrat working man type shit.
And then now it's hardcore Trump country. And it's like I was always sympathetic to the reasons that they felt.
Because my town has been utterly decimated. And people there have been really screwed over through no fault of their own.
They have a very valid beef with things that have happened in this country. I just was always like, but this dude is not the answer for any of that.
You know, like, so there's a lot of it that I'm sympathetic to the, like you says, populism, a general, a like more leftist populist message, like obviously like Bernie Sanders or something. I'm a, that's really more aligned with where I'm at.
There's plenty of things people do actually agree with. If you take the, out of it, you take the R's and the D's out of it and all that, it's just about like, you know, most people agree with regular, you know, everyday Americans having more money in their pocket, getting paid better.
You know what I mean? Most people are okay with taxing the rich and corporations, but it's more, you know, I'm kind of a no but a class war type person like i'm i i think it all really comes down to that i believe that most of the culture war things are just uh purposeful distractions you know that like turn people against one another and it's like don't get me wrong that's not i think the trans people should have rights i'm just saying the whole narrative around even debating it in the first place is just serve. It means, you know, just serves to like distract people from stuff that really matters is my opinion.
So, and I think there's a lot of people like you, I've heard Theo Vaughn talk about how like, or on his show, like a lot of people on his show, they, they like, you know, they hate like, Oh, oh the the billionaires that are really in charge or whatever but the people that i'm talking about they think that those billionaires are all like you know liberal elite billionaires like george soros and that type of thing yeah and it's like i hate the billionaires are in charge but i'm like but i'm talking about you know the one that we see being in charge every day who's like clearly on the right like i got a problem like i've seen people tweet out you know it's like elon's gonna you know finally get rid of all these corrupt billionaires that are ruining our government you know and it's like it's such a it's it is such a dumb dumb thing to say and i agree with you 100 i%. I know a conservative that's yelling and screaming on Facebook.
Elon's saving us. He's got a great plan.
He's going to get rid of the billionaire class. And it's like he is the epitome of the billionaire class.
And that kind of power unchecked on either side of the aisle. We should all have a healthy dose of skepticism about someone that wants to amass as much wealth as possible and make everybody else under him uncomfortable for no reason.
That's it. Government is not, unfortunately, is not a private company.
It's not a startup. It's not a small business mom mom and pop shop it doesn't work and operate the same way and you can't treat it as such you know there are things that the government does it in the public eye and behind the scenes that just need to be treated differently because it's serving the people that elect it to happen and it can't be treated like that right so and can't be motivated by profit margins and stuff like some things are just not meant to be motivated by that so you can't yeah you can't treat them the same way i totally totally agree with you and um and you know and i think it's important i mean my opinion is it's important that when we find common ground with the other side of the aisle or people that we don't agree with, that we recognize that common ground because that's the way that we get less tribal, right?

is by saying, yeah, he's just like me.

I think by and large, the people who voted for Trump,

I imagine by and large,

those people, they're good, hardworking people who just want better for their families

and realized that it doesn't,

that for some reason have been told or whatever that,

you know, this particular version of it, the Kamala Harris version or whatever, the Biden version didn't work for you. And they got convinced of that, but they wanted something different.
They felt like they needed someone to shake that up. And, you know, hopefully maybe they'll see that this is kind of a little bit of a screwy mess right now.
Who do you think leads the Liberal Party into the next generation? Like, do you think it's kind of like a little, like maybe the old guard is time to have freshness? Yeah, I definitely think it's time for the old guard to move on. I don't know, other than, you know, a couple that are obvious that already are there.
Like, I mean, AOC and Jasmine Crockett or whatever. And I like Eric Swalwell out here in California and some other people.
But, like, one of the videos I just made recently was about how the Democratic Party needs, like, a complete paradigm shift, in my opinion. It's like they need their own version of, like, the Tea Party moment, like, from the early 2010s, you know? where it's like uh like they need their own version of like a the tea

party moment like from the early 2010s you know where it's like uh some new faction or force needs to establish itself and and shift them in a in a different direction because they're like completely lost at sea right now and the and yeah the old guard you know chuck schumer's of the world are just like i, I'm just ready for them to go on somewhere. I have no interest in those people being around anymore.
If I hear the double talk out of their mouths anymore, it does frustrate me to no end. And I don't believe in their ability to lead.
And it's driving me crazy. They were good for 1989, not for 2025.
And I think it's time for, you know, there's got to be a turn of there's got to be a reckoning if there's going to continue to be a strong you know uh liberal party in this country and that liberal party needs to understand that most people agree with smaller government you know there's things that they need to work for the middle class again and not be so concerned yeah that's the biggest thing they thing they need to do. Totally.
And, you know, Channel 5 News, Andrew Callahan from Channel 5 News, the YouTube channel, Channel 5. Do you know what I'm talking about? All gas, no breaks.
Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yes.
Yeah. So it's called Channel 5.
So he came on the show, and he was really interesting. He's another smart guy.
I think of you as a smart guy also, you know, that guy who debated the entire half of the class on the war in Iraq, but he's another smart guy. And he said, I don't even think there'll be a democratic ticket in 2028.
And I was like, wow. He's like, not the way it looks right now.
I think it's got a, it'll be a totally different thing. Right.
And I was like, wow. He's like, there's just no strong leadership in that old guard anymore that can take you into this next version of what politics looks like.
And I think he might be right about that. I really do.
Your new special Trash Daddy is on YouTube. Are you on the NeverEnding Tour? Always.
Always. Perpetually.
Yeah. I'm always going, you know, three weekends a month at least.
Sometimes all of them. I'm out and about around the country doing shows.
So, yeah, you can see all that at treycrowder.com if you want to come see me. I'm sorry I don't know this, but you have a wife and children? Do you have children? Yeah.
They're middle school boys. They're 12 and 13.
Oh, yeah. You've got teenagers.
What's that all about? Tell me. I don't know.
I'm living in fear, constant fear of staring down the barrel of teenagerdom. I'm hyper aware of it.
You know that at some point, the lion cubs become the lion, right? At some point, the old lion is eaten by the younger cubs or something like that. My friend who's had, I have small children.

They're like half your age, but I have a million of them.

But one of my friends who had children young had a son.

And when the kid turned 13, he got big.

I mean, he got big, he got strong.

And, you know, they would get into little fussing matches about, you know,

cleaning the room or whatever.

And he's like, I'm honestly scared.

The lion cup has become the lion. Like he now leads the pride the pride he's like if you want to take me he could my 13 year old is like he's he's taller than my wife and he's you know approaching my height so he's definitely shooting up but he's also he's like you know he's a little timothy chalamet he's uh you know he's kind of he's kind of a beam pole so uh i'm not worried about that part just yet but uh yeah no i'm it's it's wild i've got two good friends guys i mentioned earlier the comics i toured with they uh they both had babies in the past like 18 months their first children their first babies in the past 18 months and so i've just been really really i've been thinking a lot about like you know the inexorable march of time and that type of thing and uh just the fact that you know kids are only they're only little once and then you know and that's for me that's over and now they're becoming you know hormone monsters and all that it's just uh it's wild it's all part of it but you know it's pretty crazy yeah i'm an older dad and i was talking with someone about this the other day i think think that has benefited me in one way, is that I do understand.
At 20, I didn't understand my own mortality, even at 30. Right.
At my age, I definitely understand my mortality. It's a double-edged sword.
I can see time marching quickly toward my end, but when they're young, I think I'm appreciating those moments right now because I can see that mortality. So, Trey Crowder, I think you're one of the great voices of a generation.
I really do. And I think it's important.
You know, not everyone chooses this road, but it's not the easy way out. And I think that you are saying some things that people need to hear.
And I hope that, you know, I hope that even if our listeners are conservative, that you go, Trey's pragmatic. He's practical.
He's not out there, you know, on the far fringes of conversation. He's saying things that make a lot of sense.
And I hope that you go follow him, trecrowder.com. You can find out where he's coming so you can get tickets to go see him.
And please watch the new special Trash Daddy.

You're welcome here anytime, Trey.

Thank you guys so much.

I appreciate it.

Thank you very much.

Appreciate it.

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I do like Trey's outlook

on things, and I think he's a

smart guy. Absolutely.

He just kind of got thrown

I don't know. I do like Trey's outlook on things and I think he's a smart guy absolutely he just kind of got thrown right into the middle of it and now here he is but he's not shying away from the spotlight or the fire in fact he says he's stepping into it because he feels now it's more important than ever and hey listen braver than I am that's for sure I mean but no one wants to hear my opinion on any of that shit not even my wife i like trey he's a he's a tennessee connection for me yeah there you go all right uh okay well trey crowder.com that's where you find out more information you get tour tickets to his tour you can find a link to his special trash daddy on youtube Yeah, that's on YouTube also.
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I think so.

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And I love you.

Best to you.

Best to you.

And best to you out there in the podcast universe.

Until next time, Chrissy and I will say, we do say, and we must say,

goodbye.

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