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As a kid, I had the, first of all, very supportive parents that were like you can do whatever you want which i don't think is always the case with artists but i also think knowing that it was it had happened for people and they were right in front of me was was encouraging and perhaps led to a lifetime of delusion but i do think you you have to be like you have to be so delusional to stick around doing this i mean what eating you know making a can of garbanzo beans stretch when you don't have rent and you're 24 but your your nourishment is improv

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Oh, yeah, cats and kittens, welcome back to the commercial break. I'm Brian Grain.
This is my dear friend and the co-host of this show, Chris and Joy Hodley. Best to you, Chris.
Best to you Brian.

And best to you out there in the podcast universe. And thanks for joining us on a TCB Infomercial Tuesday as we interview Hannah Vilkis.

Hannah is on one of the hot

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There you go. Leanna available on Netflix, all 16 episodes currently today.

And we'll also talk to her about her upcoming variety show at the Elysian in LA.

Hannah has been a notable content creator since long ago,

since eons ago when Vine was a thing. Who did buy Vine?

Yeah. Was it Facebook? I think I thought that it was.
Or was it Instagram and then Instagram got bought by Facebook? I can't remember. Somebody squashed it.
Yeah, somebody squashed it. Yeah.

Somebody killed it. It was around for a couple of months after they got bought.
But can you imagine being the creators of Vaughan? Vine, you get like a $300 million payday and then they just kill it.

It's just done. It's gone.
Yeah. I mean, I don't know.
Would Vine. Twitter.
Twitter vod Vine. There you go.
So Twitter vaudevine. She is a creator from the days of Vine.

And we've had on quite a few people

who started on Vine. Noel Miller, Morgan.

Who's that? The guy the the guy who does the music morgan i can't remember his name anyway he was anyway

chelsea lynn yeah chelsea lynn was on vine a lot of creators so we'll have an opportunity to talk to her about that she has spent a lifetime in comedy and movies and i'm excited to talk to her yeah sure this is one

uh transparent as i can be This is one where, you know, I don't know her as well as

I know other comedians who have been on the show, and actresses and actors. So I'm super excited just to have a friendly

chitter-chatter about what is going on. Maybe we'll ask her whether or not she's vaccinated, and then we'll go from there.

That is a good way to weed people out.

Are you vaccinated? Even via the teleportation known as telepodcasting, we must know whether or not you're vaccinated.

As we are recording this, we are watching some of the playback of RFK in front of Congress, And it's just in, I mean, like we've, I don't know, what else can I say?

There's not too many more words you can use except for insane. That's the only way to put it.
But hopefully,

I mean, this is one place where I just hope that there's like cooler heads prevail and we get back to science. I really do.
But anyway, that has nothing to do with Hannah.

Hannah is here, and I'm going to put all of her links in the show. show notes.
You said you watched some of Leon. I did watch some of it.
It's really good.

It's, you know, and it was nice and familiar kind of to see the sitcom format

again. So I think I'm four in so far with Leanne, and it's light, it's funny, and

yeah, it's a great show. I recommend it.
Yeah. So Leanne Morgan is who is the writer of this show, the person that is named Leanne.

If I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, Leanne may be coming on the show. I believe she may be coming on the show, but she probably isn't now that I said it out loud.
It's probably wrong.

And now that she has a hit show. She has a hit.
Yeah. Now that she has a hit show, unlikely she's going to come on.
I've said, you're on your way up or you're on your way down.

We'll see which one it is. But I believe there was some conversation about having Leanne on the show.

I don't know if that's been booked yet or not, but I'm very excited because Leanne's been around for a very long time. And all of the sudden, she's like on fucking fire.

Everywhere I turn on social media, there's another real post video about Leanne.

And so, you know, Hannah is really kind of struck gold because the producer, the executive producer, showrunner of this is Chuck Laurie, who, of course, did Two and a Half Men, Anger Management.

Let the list go on and fucking on and fucking on. The guy's like a multi-billionaire at this point.
Did he do?

Did he do?

I want to make sure I get this right. I don't want to say that.
Yeah, Chris is like, Brian,

don't even say it. Don't even say it because then it's going to be wrong and we're going to get a bunch of people.

He did, and I was going to say it and I would have been right. Big Bang Theory.
He did Big Bang Theory. Huge.
Young Sheldon,

Dharma and Greg, the Kaminsky method, Bookie, which I think was also on Netflix. No, I think Bookie's on HBO.
Oh, is it on HBO? Oh, yep, you're right. It's on HBO.
Did you watch it? I did watch it.

Did you like it? That's good. That's got Sebastian Manascalco in it, doesn't it? Okay.

Who also, I think, was supposed to come on the show at one point, but we now know that'll never happen as the most important touring comic out there today, maybe with the

yeah, maybe with the well, anyway, whatever. Hannah is on a show with a bunch of stars, and I am sure that this is very exciting news for her, and it's very exciting news for what a fun ride for her.

Yeah, I can only imagine to be on a hitch show. What would that be like? We don't know.
I don't know, we'll ever know. I don't think so.
I don't think that's happening to us.

I just saw that somebody put out the list of the hundred most important and uh

podcasts of all time

guess who was 101 yeah we were 101 yeah we were 1010101

that's what we were

no mention of the commercial break anyway but uh you know

not like i was expecting anyone to pay attention to this dumb show but all right so let's do this hannah pilkis coming at you after the break chrissy let's Take a moment. Let's listen to our sponsors.

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Magic.

I think we should do it. We'll be back.

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And Hannah is with us now. Hannah, where in the world does this podcast find you?

Pasadena. Pasadena, California.
How's the weather out there?

Pasadena is beautiful. It is.
It's beautiful. It is a soup out here.
It is

a bisque. I am hot.

And I have AC, but I have windows, so that's not powerful enough right now.

It's pretty miserable in Swamp. Wait,

you said you have an ocean view? No, just AC. Oh, AC.
I thought you said I see, and I'm like, and I face the beautiful.

I'm always facing the PCH as I write my novel, but

oh, it's just, it's so hot that it's permeating through the walls. And it's weird.

It's the West Coast, so it should be a desert, but, you know, humidity's creeping up over here. It's bad.

Yeah, but you need it. So don't worry.
Do you, are you one of the people who

I think there's two kind of people in the world and especially in California, the kind of people who go to Burning Man and the kind of people who are excited that the kind of people who go to Burning Man are at Burning Man for a week?

Okay. I think I'm the third category who aspires to be someone that could go to Burning Man, but is so asthmatic and could never do that.
You can't do that.

That does. Forget it.
Yeah. Oh, my God.

I've been talking about it all week, and I've been like, it just seems like such a fucking struggle to go to this place. I'm like, they need a new location.
I get the concept. Just move the location.

Go somewhere else. And what would your currency be? Like, I've really chewed on that.
You know, I'm like, what, what would be the thing I'm exchanging other than, you know, affirmations? And yeah,

why not?

Handies. Yeah.
Handies. That's just not there anymore.
So what are you going to do? Dang it. No orgy tent.
No orgy tent. The orgy tent blew away.
Maybe that's a sign from somebody at the orgy.

Well, you know, Gen Z is pretty asexual. So it's true.
It's a true story.

It's a true story.

Every time I read a story about this, it really

baffles me. You know, sex is fun and sex is a rite of passage, and sex is something you should be getting into at some point in your life.

You know, I understand that for whatever reasons, you may not, you know, maybe you wait till marriage or whatever, but you should be fooling around.

There should be some dry humping going on on the couch at least in these fashions. You're a big dry humping fan.
I'm a big dry humping fan. Yes, I've heard that.

I've heard that's that's real in all the circles. I've heard that you're just exclusively clothes on.

Everyone's talking

about dry humping and grinding. Yeah, grinding like in a middle school dance.

Gene to gene friction. That's my thing.

Jay to J. Jay to JF.

Yeah, I think Burning Man feels like such a struggle to me that I just don't, it doesn't interest me.

And I've been to not drop, not Burning Man, but Burning Man, you know, other parties that are very similar. And I always feel leaving.
a little more bankrupt than I, but not financially, like morally,

spiritually, yeah. when I get there you um you have a little bit of a hit on your hands with yeah

oh so good I love her to death and it's you know her whole story is so extraordinary and as someone that was grinding it out in comedy for what felt like a really long time she's such a prime example of someone who has been brilliant forever but is just getting not only her flowers just bouquet on bouquet it's so cool to see her everywhere yeah she's a star yeah she's talking about how did did you get, how did you get, how did you get involved in the project?

I, I, it was a Zoom audition and with Ken Miller, who I love. And then it's a pretty unorthodox way they cast it.

The next week, we just kind of hung out and talked in Chuck's office, probably to get clearance that I wasn't crazy. Yeah, exactly.
In some way,

you're not Charlie Sheen.2.

And well, and then, and they found out I was, but uh, but nevertheless, we continued. And then, and then we did

yeah, exactly, texture, her. But then we did a chemistry read and it all pretty, it moved very, very fast.
I will say, she looks more like my mother than my own mother for starters.

Her pictures, when she's my age, it's like pretty uncanny. And I'm 5'10 and a half.
And this is a tall cast. You have Kristen, who's 6 feet.
Leanne's 5'11.

It was the only role where my height really... was of service.

Yeah, you can't. Because usually I'm like, you know, leaning for all these short boy actors.
Yeah. So I'm 5'6.
I could be 5'6. Yeah.

And Chuck Laurie is like, he's

a pretty, I mean, he's Chuck Laurie.

Like, he's put together some of the, he's been the showrunner, producer, and of some of the, and writer of some of the most storied television program sitcoms in history.

So to be on one of his shows, you must, when you get cast, you must feel like, oh, this, I know I at least got one season at it, if not more. Yeah.
I mean, look, fingers, I hope we know soon.

And I hope that Netflix does the right thing. But I will say, sitting across from him in his office, you're just so aware of like, it's like we all, you know, not bashing us.

We've got successful careers. And then there's like a maven who has like created a whole empire and it's hard.
Like the air in the room is gone. You're just like, hey, I'm just happy to be here.

You know, it's so.

powerful.

But, but yeah, I remember when I got the job and I'm outside of his enormous office, you know, there's like a whole building of Chuck stuff and I was sobbing and all these, you know, there's like golf carts go by with tours and they're, oh, are you okay?

I'm like, no, it's

happy too. It's happy.
But yeah, just the sheer overwhelm of being attached to something with not only Leanne, but yeah, with Chuck's name on it was surreal for sure.

With Chuck then getting mostly positive reviews, you know, I actually learned about this show because I read an interesting story. I think it was AV Club or something, Vox, or one of those.

And they said the streamers are finally getting multi-camera sitcoms right, right? And it named the Leanne show as one of those where they're like hitting their stride.

First of all, Chuck's behind it, so he knows, right? But then also,

it just said, now we're getting shows that look and feel like what a sitcom should look like. And Leon was named as one of those

in a positive light. And so, you know,

in a lot of ways, you're bringing this format, this well-known, familiar, comfortable format to a streamer, which traditionally has not had a ton of success with these type of shows.

Or not just, I don't know, if it didn't get the format right, didn't get, it wasn't comfortable, didn't feel right to the viewers, but then it's getting positive reviews. So I think you would

probably get a second season, but who knows how Netflix does what they do. Let's all be, let's be, let's, you know, I'm, I'm at the point where I'm lighting an abundance candle, guys.
I am,

I am, I'm chasing house flies around the house and I'm lighting candles. I am, I am lost.
I've lost it until we hear, but no, I, I think just

nostalgia, but nostalgia with a kick.

Like what I think is so brilliant about, and Kristen too, and Ryan Stiles and Celia Weston and Blake Clark, it's like there's, there's an ode to what was, but it still feels like it's from now.

Yeah.

And I think the dichotomy of those two things is, and it just, I've been really, you know, I knew that my friends moms would be all about it because i was getting blown up on facebook messenger i was getting hi it's mrs so-and-so from 11th grade i am just such a advantage so but when the show came out that was my anticipation was okay great well i will be a hit with the moms but it's all ages i think it's super evergreen and and that's you know she was on amy poehler's podcast and i'm like lovable is lovable it's it's just an ageless thing so that was really cool to see that the response was quite diverse

age-wise. Yeah.

And the format works because it works. It's been around for a long time.
It's not that it's needed. It's been around for a long time.
It works because it works.

And, you know, if you can find the right material, obviously then you have to find the right people to put in there. Magic happens, magic happens.

And it becomes a hit. But, you know, everyone,

some of our audience may be.

being introduced to you for the first time, but overnight success stories are never overnight. You've been doing this for a long time.
I mean, you know, we always seem to, there's, we always say this.

There's two reasons you come on the commercial break. You're on your way up or you're on your way down.
So that's assuming you're on your way up. And

a feeling.

You're not on. I have a feeling that you're ascending, but it's too early to tell.
I don't know. Only time will tell.

Don't worry. I have a really public breakdown that's coming at the 20th minute.

Yes. When does your Charlie Sheen moment happen? When will Chuck realize

I'm getting the hands ready?

Even Chuck and Charlie went on to work together. Yeah.
Listen, yeah, it works. It works.
When you're talented, you're talented, right? Even with crack, you're talented.

So

how did you get started in comedy? Tell the audience a little bit about your journey. Well, when I was a kid, my very first audition.
Let's start. When I was born, I was eight pounds, three ounces in.

Yes. I do think you're funny.
I have an interesting question for you that I sometimes like to ask. What is the first thing you remember being funny? Television show, joke, movie.
Oh my gosh.

Anything Molly Shannon, anything Molly Shannon and Tim Biddos did on SNL. I mean, that was my.

And I lived on 68th and Central Park West. So my sister, who is like, you know, we're just, we both gush over this stuff, we would stand outside of 30 Rock.

Or if we saw cast members walking around New York, we'd play in a script. Like we saw Adam Sandler once, and I'm like seven, and I stroll up.
I'm like, hey, big fan of your work.

And he's like, aren't you a little young? And then my sister,

he goes, that's where I come in. Hi, I'm your sister.

Oh, my God. I love it.
That's awesome. But, you know, we are that like cliche

concrete jungle kids that just, you know, we were going to see like Blue Man Group and Moom and Shants and SNL, like all this. So my exposure to comedy was honestly just like, New York City's funny.

People are funny. There's so many characters.

And then proximity to SNL and just that feeling like, I don't, you know, not necessarily being like, I want to be on it, but being like, these superheroes live 15 blocks away. Like, how crazy is this?

You know, you can do that. Yeah, I guess that's attainable.
Yeah, that's attainable.

And I guess that's a really interesting perspective that I hadn't thought about before is that as a New Yorker, living close to kind of ground zero for comedy in some in a lot of people's minds.

I mean, Saturday Night Live has done so much for comedy over the 50 years that it's been on. It's your backyard.
And so you feel like it's part of me. I am part of it.
It is part of me.

It's like people who love the Cubs, right? Wrigley Field is part of me. I am part of it.
I am part of the Cubs. I am the Cubs.
So when

you are so close to this, and you see those people walking down the street, their actual practice

on the screen. I think when something's tangible in that way, it doesn't.

As a kid, I had the, first of all, very supportive parents that were like, you can do whatever you want, which I don't think is always the case with artists.

But I also think knowing that it was, it had happened for people and they were right in front of me was encouraging and perhaps led to a lifetime of delusion. But I do think

you have to be so delusional to stick around doing this. I mean,

eating, you know, making a can of garbanzo beans stretch when you don't have rent and you're 24. But your nourishment is improv.

That's funny. Did you do improv? Is that where, is that how, is that your kind of comedy path was improv?

So I referenced the movie because I was a child actor, and that was a heavy drama with Kevin Bacon. And that was my like introduction to acting.
And it, it was great.

But I think what I realized was drama is hard to live in all the time. And all of my muses and inspirations were comedic.

So I moved out here at like 19 and started doing Second City and UCLA Extension for writing and kind of made my way through all the schools from really young. Yeah,

I was like the youngest improviser in my class, which doesn't mean much now, but back then it was like the coolest thing ever.

And actually, I just had a memory that the first like boyfriend I had was some guy from Second City, and he broke up with me because he met someone at Burning Man to bring it all back around.

I knew it. I knew they're all shitheads.
I said it. Oh, that's what I'm saying.

You don't need to go to Burning Man. None of us need to go to.

No one needs to go to burning man anymore it's jump the shark it's officially jump the shark so you're at second city you're at um ucla taking writing courses you said yes yeah i mean

i didn't get a degree because i i was so afraid of debt and i just like i didn't know if it was balance a checkbook or bounce a checkbook i if you don't know the difference you know so i i yeah and will we ever and i'm like when will checks just be gone yeah but i do think my i i was sort of like okay i'm gonna because i'd been introduced to acting young, it was sort of, I'm going to try and skip a step and move out here, which inevitably you, you know, you have the cliche, you're in LA, you try to get an agent.

But

I will say at the same time as Second City, Vine came out, that ad. Oh, yeah.
And so that was my livelihood through a lot of my early 20s, which was such a gift.

And I'll never forget doing six-second ads for TikTok. Can you imagine? 6.7 seconds.
Yeah. Yeah.

It seems easy, but yeah. No.
I, you know, I read commercials

the time. And mine always go long because saying,

giving a sponsorship or a personal endorsement or whatever it is in 30 seconds is impossible. It's impossible to fit into 30.
And I talk fast and I still can't.

6.7 seconds. I can't even imagine.
What did you say? Wild.

Well, in hindsight, I'm like, surely it wasn't medication because I wasn't going to be like side effects included, you know, the possibility of stroke, amnesia, da-da-da.

But it was, you know, you're like more neutral, your bubble yums, your Nordstroms, your.

But, you know, I really don't know what I said.

It's wild to look back on that time because, first of all, it was almost like the original camcorder where you couldn't edit.

So you would just press and then you'd go to the grove and you do the second half. And then sometimes your finger would slip and you'd delete the whole thing.

I mean, it was the preciousness of filming the vibe.

Again, it sounds so trivial and silly, but the stakes felt enormous because it became a job for so many of us in a time when you're on your way up trying to make comedy. It's

if you don't have to do a day job, if that can be your day job, it's a gift. Yeah.

Exactly. Yeah.
We have talked to so many people who are still here today and Vine was the place, right? Vine is where it kind of all started. Do you still have access?

This is just like a minutiae question. Do you still have access to those vines? I'm just laughing because you said still here today.
I'm like, they all all passed

it wasn't that long ago it's crazy there are so many viners still living in

i mean you're getting old right if you if you started on vine you're over the hill you're just you're washed up it's no it's it's it's a lifetime ago it's a truly i mean especially when you think about when i think about the lifetimes i've led living in LA and that that was a particularly chaotic time in my life, as it should be.

I was like 23, but you see it. I'm like, I wasn't washing my face.
I was out till four.

I'm like, that is, I have vocal fry, you know, but I, the only way you can access them now is a YouTube compilation and like 10 years of vines is 20 minutes total. Oh, wow.

You're not going through it.

I'll just not worth that much. No,

no, no.

But I wish I had, you know,

I haven't checked, but I don't, I don't imagine it's in the app store. But

I know I don't think it is.

Shut that shit down. Didn't he buy it?

And yet,

E-bomb's World still kicking. E-bombs World still out there.
One of the OG. E-bombs world still out there.
Still kicking. And you know, it sounds funny that we say, like, oh, they're still around.

And what I mean to say is they have made really good careers being content creators and actresses. Yeah, actresses.
Still relevant. It's still relevant.

That was a heater system, a farm system for great content creators. And the good

have really made it work we we just talked to noel miller who started on oh yeah yeah yeah and he has i mean he's like a whole enterprise he's like has all you know different content creators and podcasts and podcast networks and so it was early proving ground for this kind of model that now we are all involved in, which is create content, distribute it directly to the people who want to hear it, find your own audience, figure it out on your own.

And, you know, and I guess a prelude to the streamers, too. what's interesting to me about this is that you think about Vine, like, you know, six, seven, six, second, seven second videos.

Now some of the most sought-after content where these streamers are now paying attention are in these one-minute melodramas. Do you know, do you see, do you

understand this? These soap operas that happen in one-minute chunks and then there's 127 of them. And then they get released at a certain time and they go out.

And there are like Netflix is paying hundreds of millions of dollars to get these showrunners who are just content creators to make these one-minute soap operas, essentially, which is crazy.

So we're back to, it was long, you know, short format, long format. Now we're back to short format.
It's just all over the place. You can't figure out what we want.

Well, you have tight framing, limited sets, low budgets, probably the same five people in it. You have underpaid writers.

I have many friends that have that have applied for these jobs and the copy, I mean, you just, you churn it out over, you know.

But yeah, it is, it's so wild, you know, the difference between the two things.

It's like short form is wonderful, but if you're only doing short form as a performer, it's not a sustainable model and it doesn't help you with long form.

Like I remember doing groundlings the same time as Vine, and I would get scolded because all my characters were like eight seconds long. Yeah.
They're like, all right, and stretch, but stretch, yeah.

I, you know, people say everyone's attention spans are short now, but I beg to differ. I still think that there's a huge market for both.

And also some, sometimes I want to consume something really quick and palatable. And other times I want to, you know, binge hunting wives.
But I don't know. I guess

I push against the notion that people don't want to listen to something or watch something longer, hence the podcast that's an hour or, you know, like the pit.

Yes. Yeah.
This one's going to be 16. I have all my meals ready to go.

But

yeah,

but it is wild. There's kind of something for everybody now.

You know, that's an interesting point that you make. I am not

like I like Instagram videos and I like TikToks and I like shorts. And it depends on the situation.
But I want to get into the pit. I want six more episodes of the pit.

I want that shift to last six more hours. Do you know what I'm saying? Oh, my goodness.

The doctor. Yeah, but if I'm waiting at the doctor,

then I want some short stuff. That's right.
That's why I keep it.

And

there was a guy and the doctor playing them all at highest volume in the office.

Two things.

Two faux pas, the loudest volume and someone at a cafe with their text tone on. Oh my God, that drives me crazy.

And it was someone from, I'm not going to say a reality TV franchise. And I thought, it's gone to your head a little bit because you are so unaware of the world around you.

You need to tell that real housewife of wherever that just shut the fuck up. It was crazy.
I was like, I cannot focus. I'm trying to write the first page of my screenplay over and over.

You were in the Groundlings and Second City?

So, I never did the company. I did Conservatory at Second City, and we had like a run over there.
And then Groundlings after that. I never, and then I kind of pivoted into more solo material and

got to like open for a lot of awesome comedians, got to tour with Paul of Tompkins. Um, and that was great.
The nice thing about solo is that you can just kind of bring yourself anywhere.

Um, but the training from all those places and all those people that I met there are still my collaborators. And I met my husband at Groundlings in the class.
Oh, you did? Yeah.

How long have you been married? We've been married three years, but we met at Groundlings seven years ago, which is wild.

You might go the distance. I mean, I don't want to.
You might be on your way up. Don't jinx it.
You might be on your way up. And this might be your forever marriage.
Yes.

It's not a starter marriage. You always say guests on your podcast either stay together forever or promptly break up after.
Yeah. Yeah.

Because they came on the podcast. You were on what?

You're the ring of dating seven days.

Did you, did you ever try out for Saturday Night Live?

Yes, I did. I got close-ish.
I had a virtual testing agreement during COVID, which was, which was sad.

So never went to 30 Rock. And, you know, when I got Lee in, it was sort of like, for however long this goes, that is, and I hope forever, that's not something that you can go out for anymore.

So, but I have many a friend. I just had a dear friend get on.
Chloe Feynman's one of my dearest friends who 10 years ago at Groundlings, I approached and was like, hey, you're kind of funny.

Would you want to be friends? Like, and then the rest is history. So, you know, I have a.

We all feel connected to it in some way. And we've all been close or sort of close.
Everyone in my orbit, you know, that I admire and respect. So, but yeah,

it is, like I said, in a lot of ways, ground zero, or at least a big part of the fabric of comedy, and especially

comedic players who go out there and do television or movies. It's just like there's so much connective tissue to Saturday Night Night Live over the last 50 years.
But can I ask you a question?

Because we were talking about this yesterday. Sure.
You're here to answer my questions. So then I'm going to ask you.
All right. And I was, I was unclear in the power dynamic, but now it's clear.

Do you think that Chrissy and I believe believe that there's been like a big deal, bigger deal made out of the fact that Lauren Michaels is turning some of these cast players this year than there has been in past years?

It feels to me like there's a big uproar online over or a lot of publicity around the fact that cast members are changing when that, in fact, is just what's always happened.

But it feels this year there's some outcry that I haven't read about in past years, or maybe I just wasn't paying attention in past years.

I think I'll say this in as neutral a response response as possible. I think a lot of it has to do with a swapping out and an erasure of diversity a little bit.

I feel like we are kind of experiencing a world. I don't know about y'all, but I'm a little spooked at the state of the world.
I feel like, yes, even in media.

Feel free to speak. You're amongst friends.
You're amongst friends.

I just feel like there is kind of this resurgence of unapologetically

feeling like we don't need to

diversify. And I wonder if that is, and listen, this isn't bashing anyone that got on.
That's not the fault of the people auditioning.

I just, for me, a show like SNL thrives when there's different points of view and different perspectives and when there's too many overlapping ones.

You know, for me, it's, you know, you just, you just,

it's easy to check out. So I think it's that maybe partially.
That's like,

and, and, and cast members being taken off that maybe we felt like had some interesting opinions and things to say.

And I wonder if that ruffled any feathers. Like I really loved Emil.
I loved his updates and I was really excited about someone that really was speaking their mind.

And I think you also read posts about writers and cast members that had mixed experiences.

I did read that.

You know, folks having a boycott when Chappelle is on. And so, you know,

I think it's, it is pop culture boiled down.

It's beautiful and problematic and it's everything in between right so it feels like this concentrate of what we experience daily paired with the fact that i think the industry is at a deeply um volatile period right there's so much less work there's nothing shooting in la so i do think that there's just less to fixate on right now i think it's maybe a hybrid of both of those things you know and and i say that just as a as a performer that's even experienced a change in like the way things are being written and and cast right now that just feel

a little like we're back in the times, kind of a little bit. Yeah,

I had I was of the opinion that it could be a combination of three things. One,

there's a lot of PR being churned up because maybe there's some external, in external, internal pressure that Lauren needs to figure out what happens next with him

in the show. But number two, I said, I think what you're trying to say, which is the political pressure to

not act out and the punishment that could come from that made

the choices more clear when they may not have been in the past because NBC, the company, NBC Universal, who owns SNL,

maybe not implicitly,

but maybe not explicitly, but implicitly said, get rid of troublemakers or tone it down. We don't want more fines and more focus and all this other stuff.

And that's just, that's crazy, but it is part and parcel of the world that we live in today. I mean,

totally. I think that we're seeing it because I'm not an institution and I famously, I'm always sympathizing with CEOs.
And you can put me on record saying that.

No,

you do, you do, you know, I think about the Kennedy Center. I think about colleges getting defunding.

And I, and it's so scary because you know the rebuttal is a beautiful thing, but it's also, is it potentially at the expense of the thing combusting completely because its funding's cut off?

What is the right course of action as you're seeing

any form of free speech being eradicated? It's a really unprecedented and spooky time.

I agree with you. And we wouldn't have to go down the whole road, but at the end of the day, it's the thing that some people

in a certain ideology were bashing against, the wokeism, the cancel culture,

the silencing of voices, but only when it's happening

to them, right? And then it's just very, it's all very interesting and hypocritical, but I guess at the end of the day, human beings are hypocritical in general. It's just the way that we're built.

And so we say one thing, we do another. It's just the way that we are.
At least it's the way I know. I can recognize that

in myself. So, okay.
So now you have Leanne. And so now we'll take the pressure off the political conversation.
So now you have Leanne

so that we don't get, you know, so that no one finds us. I don't care.
Right.

What are some of the shows? I'm curious, what are some of the other shows that you're watching or like guilty pleasures or comfort when things get scary and crazy in the world?

Well, ironically, and this makes sense. And now I'm piecing it all together.
30 Rocks, always my comfort food. I mean, just a laugh a minute.
I watch it all the time.

And Jane Krakowski doing O'Mary now. I'm so excited.
Just, I mean, everyone, Jinx Monsoon,

Betty, Betty Gilkin, I was true, Gilpin, Betty Gilpin.

I am, I'm watching Hunting Wives, of course,

and having an absolute ball.

I watched that limited series, Dying for Sex, and I loved it so much. I'm just such a Jenny Slate fan.
It's heartbreaking.

And I will watch, I love watching Love is Blind in Germany or Japan or Brazil.

Yeah, we're doing it. I mean,

Guys, isn't it the most that in couples therapy, I think, is one of the most honest.

I know it's saying honest portrayal and love is blind, but I do think if you've had a couple drinks and you're, you start having the like Munchausen of like being in these, this enclosed space, you do forget there's a camera there.

And I think that it's just a stream of consciousness. And I find it the etiquette, what manners look like, how they dress, and just the differentiation between cultures is so fascinating to me.
Very.

Totally couldn't agree with you more. I love watching shows from Europe or even Japan or shows that are familiar formats, but they're taken somewhere else.

And you see the differences in comedy and what's funny and what's interesting, the psychology and the mannerisms. And it's just, it's all fascinating to me.
I'm with you on that. That is comfortable.

I,

because you're now a Netflix superstar and probably,

you know, in some way embedded in the company, but did you watch

Unknown Caller?

No. Documentary, Unknown Caller.
I haven't seen that either. Okay.

Go watch it. I'm not going to say anything about it.
Go watch it.

About the two high school kids that started getting tech, they were a couple and they were like 13 years old and they started getting text messages from an unknown caller

saying some of the most incredibly hurtful, damaging, crazy things to them to try and get them to break up. And then it's a true story, obviously, to doc.
Watch it.

Watch it. That's all I'll say.
I'm not going to ruin it. And then if you need a palate cleanser after that, you can watch Train Wreck Poop Cruise.
Oh, it's hard. I watched that.
Oh, my God.

What I love the most is people crying in the end. And you're like, we don't need to make this a murder doc.

It sucks that there was feces around, but you're okay, kid. Yeah, you're fine.
Everything's okay. And there's these girls, and they're like, yeah, they're like, we couldn't take shots.

We couldn't do limbo.

It was so hot in there. It's like you were on a cruise.
They, you know, you Everything was fine.

No one was going to. Open up the bar.
Yeah, they opened up the bar.

Oh, my God. Worst idea of all time.

One other comfort thing I will shout out is my father loves Korean soaps. Loves them.
And I said, well, which, I said, which ones have you seen? And he said, all of them. Really?

So he has gone through all the catalog of Korean soaps on Netflix and he's ready for more. Yeah.
He says they're just so comfortable.

and i and i watch squid game and he's like that i don't i don't need a squid game in my life right now i need an optimistic love story and he loves a korean soap oh yeah

he's reading it with the subtitles

reading it with the subtitles or the dub yeah well now he's fluent in korean no i keep maybe eventually

no no dubbing he knows korean

no but he he says if you if you need comfort and to seek some solace somewhere away from this world it's um it's it's a good watch and and i do mean all of them i mean that's hundreds of hours of content that my dad's incredible and like your dad already yeah oh he's the best

kind of guy we need in our lives is a guy we love him

and he's your next guest

he's on his way up yeah he's on his do you does he live in new york

he so we grew up in new york my dad's dutch grew up in holland and then uh we moved to New York. And now, my entire, it's a sitcom outside of a sitcom.

My mom, my dad, my sister, my brother-in-law, their dogs. My nephew live a mile from me in Pasadena.
Oh, that's amazing.

Yeah, because you live there, like they all decided to move?

Yes, and I think we all lived all over the world. My sister and her husband lived in Hong Kong because he's an imagineer for many years.
And when they had a imagineer? Yeah. Yeah.

I'm so excited about this. Yeah.
And he's and he's your guest after my dad.

I'll take your dad and your brother-in-law, both of them. Yes.
But I think when my sister had a baby, I think we all, and I think COVID was really illuminating of time, and life is really precious.

And, you know, so now we

just had my dad's birthday in my yard and we see each other, you know, once every couple of weeks. It's great.
Yeah. That's that is incredible.
I like that. It's cozy.

Here,

my wife is Venezuelan. Family is everything in that culture.
Sure.

Everybody is family, right? The third cousin, 50 times removed,

doesn't stay in a hotel when he comes within 100 miles of Atlanta. He stays in our house because that's

what it is. So I'd love to hear when families, especially American families, where I think that things are much different here.
And we don't focus on the family as much as we should.

And I'd love to hear when families are taking care of each other. And that's awesome.
Yeah. Yeah.
I also like think there's something really beautiful about how adults meet each other on new terms.

Like I think me being in my 30s living near my parents versus me at 18, you know, drinking a Coca-Cola in bed, sleeping till two, being like, get out of my room.

You know, it's been a really cool thing for us all to kind of get to know each other this way. Yeah,

that's a different dynamic for sure. Yeah.
Yeah. That's,

I love that. I feel like that's something that happens is as you get older, you meet your parents as people and not as parents.
Yeah, totally. Yeah, the authority.

And you're like, wait, you had friends? You know, it's like, it's really shameful. This like you, you, you project onto them that they have no history and their sole purpose and function is you.

They should have been perfect when they

do.

Yeah, that's a thing I've been thinking about a lot. Yeah.
Yeah. Because I'm perfect.

Yeah.

You seem perfect. You have been the perfect guest.

Absolutely delightful.

One more question. Not about you, about

your brother-in-law. He's an imagineer, and so he worked to open Hong Kong Disney when it opened.

So

his company works with a bunch of different companies. So yeah, he did a lot of the work at Disney in Abu Dhabi and in Hong Kong and had a lot to do with building the Star Wars ride for Disneyland.

A lot of what his company does is like things to scale.

So if you look from far far away and you think something's massive, and you get up close, and that's just forced perspective, and also building materials. So, rock that, of course, isn't real rock.

He's he's like the kind of guy where you come over and he's like whittling a walking stick for his son while making a souffle. You're like,

some people are just wired different.

Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, I love it.

I can't wait to have him on. Yeah,

yes, I know, yes.

I've always wanted to, my son is fascinated with all things Disney.

And we've been watching this behind the attraction where they talk about these on Disney Plus, where they spend an hour talking about one fame, you know, Space Mountain or whatever it is, and all the Imagineers and all the people that did it and why they did it and the thoughts that went behind it and Waltz and all this other stuff.

And we've been watching it at night, and I am just as fascinated by this as he is. I'm like, wow, you just don't think about it.

You go on a ride, you love Disney, it's a great place, but you don't think about the minutiae it took, all the powerful, creative, wonderful people who were behind making it come to life and the small decisions that they made.

And these are full-grown fucking adults making these decisions about, you know,

which rock,

what the rock is going to look like from 100 yards away. It's like, I think I grabbed that stuff as my adult life, but that's his job.
That's very cool.

And you're also like, you know, he must come up with the concepts like, oh, he's got a good imagination and he's an architect and you have to do physics and you have to do chemistry because there's the safety, the building, the aesthetic, the lighting.

I mean, it's, and of course, there's a bunch of people working together.

But when I went into his office, I expected it to be all these tchotchkes, and it's a, it's just blueprints, many, many blueprints.

There's just so, like you were saying, there's so many technical aspects that we take for granted. Like if it's a log flume ride, it can't sink.

So you have to figure out, and they were doing a bunch of testing for a Pirates of the Caribbean ride and figuring out, wow, what is the capacity for people?

How do we make this beautiful, illustrious ship not sink? And so I'm so fascinated by it too. Yeah.
I love that.

Your family would be good dinner guests. So next time I go to Pasadena, California, I'm going to invite myself to be able to do that.
Come on over.

Yes. Yes.
Join our sitcom outside of my sitcom. I love that.

Hannah is in the television show, Leanne, that's now on Netflix, all 16 episodes. Am I right about that? All 16 episodes.
Available currently on Netflix.

She will also be at the Elysian the 27th in LA. Tell us more about this.
What pray tell me?

This is a

show I'm doing with Mackenzie Berman. We're going to be trying out some new material to bring on tour eventually.
It's just going to be a super fun variety show.

We have a bunch of awesome special guests, some of your favorite comedians. So, yeah, come on out.
7:30, Elysian. Yeah.
Okay. And so I'll put a link to get tickets.

I'll make a link to the Netflix and all your social media and all that stuff. You have been an absolute delight.
Yes, thank you so much. What a dream.
Thank you guys.

I would love if at the end of some, you go, so this has been a time. We're here.
Oh,

we've

been here.

We've had them.

I can name them.

You will know them. Yes.

These are five things, five worst guests.

We did that once. We did that.
We did that once. We called it out like we saw.
We'll be pretty honest with the audience, but we've done hundreds of guests at this point. And not all of them go well.

Not everybody's super nice. Not everybody is as pleasant.
You don't know what you're going to get, right? It's a mixed bag. Most people are awesome.
They're wonderful.

Some people are, we have a lot of fun with, like you. And then there have been a few where we have left the interview, just wondering if we should even run it.
Yeah. Like, oh, gosh, time's up.

We got to go.

It's like a speed dating where it's like, oh, we have 12 minutes to speed date. Okay.

Great. It's been humid out, huh? Yeah.

No, I've loved getting to know you guys, and I've listened for a long time. So super fun to get to be here.

Thank you so much. You are welcome back anytime.
We hope that you will come back. And all of Hannah's information available in the show notes.
Thank you. Appreciate it.
Thank you, Hannah. Bye.

Thank you guys. Bye.

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So keen-eared listeners will have heard that she mentioned a movie with Kevin Bacon when she was a kid. I did not know this, but I went and I researched it during the break, and it's The Woodsman.

Yes. And I've actually seen this film.
I watched it maybe sometime during the pandemic. So maybe it was a couple of years ago, but it came on somewhere, Pluto, or something like that.

And I watched it, and I thought it was an okay movie. I actually liked it.
And now I know she was the character who liked to talk to him about bird watching or whatever.

Anyway, she's been doing this for a very long time. She has a very long time.
Kevin Bacon, too. Wow, to start off.
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Hannah was absolutely wonderful. Delightful.
Delightful. Delilah.

She was delightful. She didn't go to Burning Man, so we didn't have to skew her about that.
She's got the asthma and the vocal fry and all that. She called out her own vocal fry.

She said, I have vocal fry. But I have a feeling that has more to do with the asthma than anything else.
It's not because she's on some reality show. I love you.

So all of the information down below in the show notes. Check out Leanne that's getting great reviews.
Chrissy watched it. She said she liked it.
I give it my blessing.

Comfort food for the soul and Leanne Morgan, who is now, quite frankly, become legendary at this point.

You know, there are people who you've been watching for a long time, but you don't really like, they don't come to top of mind, like Leanne. And then all of the sudden, they are everywhere.

And you realize this is the moment when they are...

moving into legendary status because she has been doing this for so long and finally getting the recognition that she deserves and the television show that we all hope gets a second season.

Good for Netflix. Yeah.
You know?

Good for Leanne. And yeah, well, of course.

And good for Netflix. They're figuring it out.
Pretty soon, we're all going to be watching TV exactly as we did before at 7.30 on Saturday night or whatever it is, you know, 8.30 on Thursday.

It's just weird. It's weird.
But anyway, I'm not going to get into a whole rant about it. Go check out her stuff.
And if you're in the LA area and on the 27th, you want to check out her variety show.

Tickets are available. Links.

I would totally go to that if we lived in L.A. Totally.
She's naturally funny. Like, you can just tell.

She's one of those people that you'd want to have it a dinner party because she'd spice it up a little bit and it would be fun. Plus, her brother-in-law is an imagineer.
An imagineer!

I felt

your spidey senses. You could feel me going.
You're a little jingly.

I've never met a real Imagineer.

I met a guy who I one time had dinner in Epcot with Astrid. Okay.
When we were, I think when Astrid was pregnant with our first child, we went and we had dinner at the Hibachi place

in Japan in Epcot. And then we met a kid who was from Japan.
He was a Japanese guy.

He worked there and he worked in Imagineering. He was doing like an internship at Imagineering and he was working on future rides and ideas and concepts.

So we met someone who was in the building, but we've never really, I've never really met an Imagineer because they really are, quite frankly, like, you know, the cream of the crowd. Yeah.

Those are the kids that, uh, those are the kids that make other kids happy. Those are the people that do things that are magic, basically.

And if you've ever been on some of those rides, then you know. Same with Universal.
What do they call the Universal ones? Imagineers for Disney. I don't know.
You're the Disney expert.

Universineers for Universal? Not really sure. Anyway, check out the show notes and check out all of Hannah's stuff.
Thank you so much. We appreciate her being on.
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I think so. I'll tell you that I love you.
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