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I just don't think you would be talking about it in this way if it was a super meaningful experience.

It's not a popular.

No, it's not.

No, it's not a butt sheet cutter.

It's not a bunch of cutter situation.

It's a disembodiment is what it is.

And I've talked about it a lot, and I've talked about it on this show, so I don't want to be a hypocrite here and say that, you know, but I'm not doing that for views.

I'm just sharing my, I mean, maybe I.

And luckily, you kept your butt cheeks to yourself.

I don't know that I did, but I don't think anybody would have noticed, had I.

Everyone else was doing it too, except for the shaman and the paramedics in the room.

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Oh, yeah, cats and kittens.

welcome back to the commercial break.

I'm Brian Green.

This is my co-host for the moment, Tina.

Best of you, Tina.

Best to you, Brian.

And best of you out there in the podcast universe.

Chrissy, we hope, limping her way back from Menfo to return next week.

No, I actually texted with her, and she's

on her way home, kids.

She's on her way home.

So hopefully, we'll have her back here

next week.

And

I'll be excited to see her back in the chair.

But I've really enjoyed having you here for the last couple of weeks.

It's been a lot of fun.

It's different.

It's been, you know, every once in a while you shake things up.

It

turned out in our favor.

I really have enjoyed our conversation.

I've actually had a few text messages already about our conversation yesterday with your chat GPT,

which was very interesting indeed.

I'm probably not the first to interview.

I'm not the first to interview an AI agent on air, but I thought it was a good conversation that we had with your chat GPT agent.

You can go back and listen to that if you want to.

I am right now, I'm on episode three and a half of Monsters, the Ed Geen story.

And it is getting weird.

I mean, it was weird from the beginning, but now it's getting really weird.

And I do have to say that this is, I mean, I have liked all of them.

I like the OJ one.

I like the Versace one.

Yep.

I liked Monsters.

The Menendez Brothers was excellent.

So good.

And now the OJ one, he has done it again with the Ed Gein story.

It's really fascinating.

And the way he intertwines the pop culture aspect of like our horror flicks right in with it.

So I love that he contextualized it with what was happening in the world.

Like you said, like 30, 40 years later.

Yeah, you listen to true crime stories and they don't often tell you who's president.

They don't really tell you what's going on globally.

This sort of gives you a really wholesome perspective.

It's got holistic.

Yeah, he looks at Ed's world and understands it in context.

And Ed Gein, who is known to be, like, he is the basis for a lot of the very monstrous things that we see in horror movies.

Halloween, Leatherface, Psycho being really the very first kind of horror, horror movie from Alfred Hitchcock.

Silence of the Lambs, I think, just kind of really rips off Ed Gein's story for the most part.

It rips it off completely, in my opinion.

I mean, like, the horror part of it.

That's right.

Yeah.

It does.

And then it throws in some very interesting characters and brings it to the 21st century.

But, and Silence of the Lambs is a truly fantastic movie.

If you haven't seen it, it made a lot of news at the time when it came out.

It was on everybody's lips.

It was just the movie that you had to see because it's at that time kind of indescribable what goes on in that movie.

Now, we've seen this storyline play out a million other times since then.

Sure.

But the cross-dressing, making

masks out of skins, making whole costumes out of skins, lampshades, ashtrays out of dead body parts, necrophilia,

like kind of this repression of a certain kind of sexuality along with an overbearing mother figure turned and schizophrenia, turned Ed into a monster himself.

And his story, in and of itself, is not the worst serial killer we've ever seen.

Not the most prolific, but the deeds might be the most insane.

The things that he did with the bodies, dead or alive, or in between, when he did it.

And he didn't kill a ton of of people.

What he did was he was really into necrophilia and the fascination with dead people and their skins and their bones.

And he just didn't look at them like people.

He saw them as objects to be played with and art to be made and just like fucked up shit.

And I love how Ryan Murphy has taken that and contextualizes it.

Like you said.

Brilliant.

Yeah.

I'll just share a little bit and you can go watch it yourself.

But psycho, Alfred Hitchcock, took the Ed Gein story, the book that was written called Psycho about Ed Gein.

He took that and he made it into a movie.

And at the time, you can only imagine the 50s, the 19 late 40s, early 50s,

cinema was kind of a newish art form, especially talking cinema.

And Alfred Hitchcock makes this bloody, gory, fucked up movie about Ed Gein.

It was like the first sex and violence sort of expose.

It was.

And the way that people reacted to that was they were terrified.

They were horrified.

And and they loved it, and they loved it.

They loved every minute of it.

It's still one of the most classic movies ever.

I mean, Psycho is on the top 10 list of every movie ever.

Oh, yeah.

Alfred Hitchcock created a masterpiece out of kind of the most like the devilish, gruesome, most devilish parts of humanity, like the really the underbelly of humanity.

And his whole point was to bring it out into the light to say, we want to pretend that this doesn't happen, but it does happen.

And I want to show it the way that it does happen.

And so he intertwines the Ed Gein story with the making of Psycho and what was going on at the time on the set.

It's just fascinating.

It's fucking fascinating.

Good for you, Ryan Murphy.

I mean, make a million more.

That's brilliant.

I know.

Make a million more.

The Jeffrey Dahmer story.

And I cannot wait.

It's going with Lizzie Borden.

I think it's in the early 1900s.

She kills her family with axe.

You know, there's like a little nursery rhyme.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay.

I know.

Okay.

So that's what he's doing next.

I cannot wait.

Lovely.

Keep them coming.

Keep them coming.

Keep them coming.

I mean, it's terrible.

It's like a train wreck you can't stop watching.

We love it.

I love it.

I'm on the street.

We can't get enough of it.

The Jeffrey Dahmer story.

That was also so well done.

Maybe that was so good.

I wanted 12 more episodes of that.

I was fascinated by that case because I was alive when that all started to unravel.

And that was a fascinating, fascinating case, a terrible case.

And people, a lot of people lost their lives in the most vicious of ways.

But this is a really well-done crime drama, and I love it.

Super dark.

Super dark.

Yeah, if you're, if this, my wife, Astrid, would never be able to watch not even a half a minute of this, but I just love it.

I love watching it.

And I am in tandem watching Task, the HBO

crime drama.

And give you my login.

Task is excellent.

It's excellent.

In a tradition and a long line of HBO making great crime dramas, here is another one that the first three episodes were watched by a lot of critics before it actually released, and they said, eh, you know, whatever.

But it is such a, it is so fucking good.

You need to watch Task.

I'll give it to you.

In the era of,

in the kind of the same vein as Sharp Objects,

Mayor of East Town.

Is that what it was called?

Mayor of East Town?

You don't have it, so you don't know.

Yeah, no.

The Night of Tokyo Vice, Perry Mason.

They have really also done a great job with that kind of serialized crime drama stuff.

Theirs made up usually of whole cloth.

Like it's not a story, you know, they're not true stories.

But wow, what a great time to be alive for television.

I mean, honestly, what a great time to be alive for television.

Hate what streaming is doing to television, but love the fact that it's out there and that I can watch all the episodes of the Ed Gein story.

At one time.

At one time.

That's what I did.

I don't know.

I couldn't look away.

Was driving me crazy about Aliens, which did you watch Aliens?

I have have not.

Well, I guess we can talk about it now because it's been a couple weeks since the final episode aired.

I was so into it, episode number one.

Episode number two, I didn't feel as excited about.

Episode number three and four, I got really excited.

Reinvigorated, yep.

Yeah, but I felt like it ended kind of on a weak note.

I understand, and a lot of loose ends that weren't tied up.

I thought it was wonderfully acted that you see a lot of these creatures, and now there's five different of them, not just the one alien that we all know about from the movies.

There's different aliens that have come back to Earth from some you know, research spaceship.

It's a terror, it's terrifying, it's gross, it's bloody, it's gory.

I'm usually not into this sci-fi drama, you know, horror bullshit.

That's how I am, but I really got wrapped up into this, and I thought it was really well done.

But then I thought it ended so weakly that they better have a season two and they better wrap up some of these storylines, or else I'm going to be pissed that I invested all this fucking time

in nothing.

Nothing.

That's so frustrating.

It is so frustrating.

So you were sharing with me,

I went down a rabbit hole

maybe like three, four, five months ago.

I heard about the telepathy tapes and then you texted me about it the other day.

I'm the last one to know.

Hey, listen.

I just found it.

I bet there are a lot of people that don't know about the telepathy tapes.

I just showed up on like a recommended for you or something on my podcast app.

Yeah.

And I was like, oh, what's this?

Because I'm sort of witchying into that kind of thing.

And yeah, and it was not what I expected.

Okay.

So for the audience who doesn't know, explain what the telepathy tapes are.

I don't know what the actual tapes are.

I just found the podcast.

Apparently there's

maybe it was a YouTube movie or something to that effect.

I think there's some documentation.

I don't know, but they're suggesting that they say non-speakers.

which I understood to be.

Autistic, non-verbal.

Non-verbal.

Yeah.

Are telepathic and that they're like training them or using some facilitated form of communication to get these messages out.

It's a very strange phenomenon.

Okay, so let me explain just a little bit so we give a little color commentary to this.

Autistic, nonverbal.

So kind of the most severe form of autism.

Maybe even having tics, maybe even being physically impaired in some way, shape, or form.

And you have a therapist that comes in and works with that person to try and get some version of communication in a way that the autistic, nonverbal person might be able to communicate something, their needs, their wants, their desires, just say yes or no, I love you, whatever.

And that therapy, what's happening is essentially an interpretation of what may or may not be going on in somebody's mind.

It's very controversial, by the way.

And there's a lot of scientists, there's a lot of criticism about this facilitated communication because a lot of people say, say,

Let's just say this.

If I told you for your entire life that two and two was three, that if I said that to you, right?

And that's what you believed,

then you would never,

you could never communicate with me that two and two is four because that's not what you learned.

That's not what you know.

That's not your world.

That's not what you understand.

I'm giving you a very simple premise.

And if someone comes in and then they try to interpret my world, even though I understand it's three,

I can't replicate what I understand and what I know.

And either can someone outside my own brain.

They cannot pull that information out of me.

And especially when there's no, like we don't have an established version of that communication.

There's no neural link inside of their head.

Right.

So their world is three and our world is four.

And how do we get to a ground where we understand each other?

I don't know.

To be determined, because I think that facilitated communication has fallen out of fashion

in a lot of areas of the world.

Yeah, they also suggested on those telepathy tapes that

there's a school you can attend or a course you can get to learn how to communicate.

Like you and I could just sit here and speak brain to brain.

Okay.

So this goes down a whole different rabbit hole.

The CIA did very famous work on this and probably started.

For 20 years.

No, it's been shut down.

Okay.

It's been that version has been shut down.

Right.

Yeah.

They're not going to tell you about the one that's.

It was

Stargaze.

Stargate.

Stargate.

Yeah, I think it's called Stargate.

I think it's called Stargate, too.

Project Stargate.

What is the famous CIA studies or

division that used to study remote viewing?

Yes, that's what they were known for.

Certain types of

psychic powers.

I think it was called Stargate.

That's what V and I talked about on the way home yesterday.

Is that Project Stargate?

Exactly.

Yeah, that's the one.

It was called Project Stargate, and it basically involved the CIA and some other agencies looking into remote viewing and all kinds of psychic stuff.

So you got it right on the nose.

Okay, thanks.

So now I'm having conversations with my chat, TCB.

Okay.

Now it's just a part of the show.

This is a third co-host here to make sure that Brian says things correctly.

Project Stargate, you know, they did some, some, a lot of studies on this.

20 years.

Yeah, 20 years.

And they would give people LSD.

They would do all kinds of shit.

And there were some people who had some level of success doing this, like scientifically understood, as much as you can understand telepathy and, you know, remote viewing.

They had some success.

They saw stuff across the world that they could look at.

Yeah, they would give them coordinates.

And some people, so, you know, I asked how they vetted these test subjects.

Yeah.

Most of them came from paranormal, parapsychology, parapsychology, and highly decorated detectives, you know, some sort of law enforcement background.

But yeah, some of them were spot on, and most of them were not, which is why they discontinued the program.

Very, very few of them actually had like a success that was measurable, but the few that did had amazing

things that were happening, right?

And so, but, you know, how could they use it?

How could they do it?

How could they replicate it?

They never knew, so they shut it down.

They also shut it down because they were doing controversial things like dropping, you 55,000 micrograms of LSD in someone's coffee in the morning and then following them around until they had schizophrenia.

But

was that the staring at goats thing?

I don't know.

Anyway, so this is all very subjective.

And, you know, to go to a course for a weekend

and then come out and think that you can communicate verbally.

Telepathy.

Telepathically with your autistic child, or it's just, I don't know.

I don't know where to fall on it, but it weirds me out.

Okay.

I also understand that if you have a child that is nonverbal, I have children, and if they were nonverbal, when they were nonverbal, like the dog that I have running around here, it's incredibly frustrating.

Like when my dog is hurt,

I wish I could say, I wish they could tell me what's going on.

You can sense it to a point.

You know, your babies cry and stuff like that, but this.

mentally just sitting in a room together.

Having a whole conversation back and forth.

How's your lunch?

yes and the whole premise of the the the telepathy tapes is that some of these kids are like you know super psychic and they can guess what number you're thinking and they can tell you what you know what's going to happen in a week or they can you know talk to and edna who died a week you know a month ago so they're essentially creating these little teresa caputos out of children who already have enough problems

it's like this weird hope maybe i don't know yeah i wonder if in this day and age anything is hope or views, right?

It's all like,

I mean, I want to be sensitive about the subject because having an autistic child that's nonverbal has got to be an incredibly difficult and painful experience and journey.

And I don't want to minimize that, but this seems really hokey-pokey to me.

And there's a whole podcast about it that's incredibly popular.

So popular, they've paywalled it.

So now you got to pay to go listen to most of it.

It's crazy, yes.

But they have all of these tapes of these kids that are supposedly, you know, saying these things to people who are interpreting what they're saying.

It seems to me like some of this is a little bit of voyeurism

in a situation that doesn't deserve voyeurism.

And it seems to me like, yeah, maybe some of this is just parents really wanting to believe that they're communicating with their child.

And maybe, maybe, just to throw it out there, there's a very small percentage of this that could be true.

Absolutely.

It's a sense.

It's a feeling.

It's hard to prove it's not.

It's hard to prove Teresa Caputo's not psychic.

It's hard to prove that, you know, all these things.

And that, and in the

like our mind abhors a vacuum.

Yes.

So we pour a bunch of stuff in the middle, believing it because we want to believe it and because we don't want the absence of information.

That's something that just kills us.

We are little creatures who are just so fucking nosy and curious.

We can't get over it.

If someone is not talking to us and we need them to say something to us, we will make it up on our own.

Plus, I will say this.

I don't know what intuition is.

It's the indescribable feeling that something is or isn't, right?

That is intuition.

Something's going to happen.

Something's going on.

This person is not being truthful.

They don't feel good about this.

Don't feel good about this.

They're not going to this hotel.

Right.

That has got to be some level of

psychic ability, right?

I mean, there's no other way to describe it.

Intuition is sensing an energy that is either off or on or more or less or whatever it is.

Energy also something we can't prove or, you know like the feeling, right?

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I'm not throwing every, I'm not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

No terrible pun intended.

I'm not throwing the entire baby out with the bathwater on this one.

It just felt a little alien light language to me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And we don't need another alien light language.

We'll get enough of that.

We really don't.

I haven't seen her in months.

I don't know what happened to her.

Now there's the

star child.

Have you seen this one?

Oh, God.

The blonde with the huge.

I'll see if I can find her on the break, but she's got the huge dreads and she sings the same fucking song on every single reel that she created, you know, I am a star child,

big boobs flapping everywhere.

Like, it's just so, it's so for views.

You know, she's talking about how she doesn't need a man.

I love myself.

You got to love yourself.

And then she puts out reel after reel after reel of her

just, you know, panning for the camera, doing it all for the camera.

If you really didn't need the attention, if you really were comfortable in yourself, you wouldn't be pining for every view that is out there.

Now, I will say this: like, you know, okay, maybe she's totally comfortable with herself.

Maybe that's just, maybe that is the truth.

If you take all of the cameras away and at night, when you lay down, you're talking to this person.

No insecurities at all.

No insecurities at all.

But I find it really hard to believe.

It seems like at this point, first of all, do another song.

Please get another song.

This girl is so famous, by the way.

She doesn't like,

she's selling out like small clubs to go hear her single.

Admittedly jealous.

So she makes her, yeah,

admittedly jealous.

Not even going to pretend.

Admittedly jealous.

I couldn't sell out a small club if I paid for the tickets myself.

I mean, but it's just one of those things where it just irritates the fucking shit out of me that these people, that some folks who have little to no life experience

are out there.

teaching the rest of us about life.

You know what I'm saying?

And, but that's okay.

You know, that's only something you can learn with time because when I was that age, I thought I knew it all too.

So I guess I'll give her a little bit of grace on this one.

How old is she?

I thought these star children were a couple generations ago.

You know, it was like the star children, then the indigo children.

Yeah, these are like,

no, these are these star children are in their early 20s.

Okay.

Yeah, they're young.

They're babies.

I mean, not baby babies, but you know, they're my baby's age.

Yeah, your baby's age.

There you go.

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Here she is, Shannon Blake.

You know, an obviously attractive young lady, right?

Yeah, very cute.

Naked.

Of course, that's how you get the likes.

That's how you get the likes.

That's how you get the views.

I mean, there's one.

I mean, listen, and I don't care.

Be naked.

Whatever.

I like nudity.

Cool.

Yeah, but I mean,

there's a picture of just her nakedness.

Just her butt cheeks.

Yeah, just her butt cheeks.

She's got these huge, crazy dreads.

Here she's.

here she's kissing a tree let's see what she's saying in this one

baby talking a leaf she's baby talking she's dog talking a leaf

oh here's her song

is she singing

yeah well apparently she is i don't know that she really is but apparently she is.

And I will say this:

I just managed to physically disconnect my microphone.

How did I do that?

I don't even know how I did that.

I will say this.

If you have done ayahuasca with shamans, if you have done that,

and I have, I just don't think you would be talking about it in this way if it was a super meaningful experience.

It's not a popular

cutter.

It's not a bunch of cut of situation.

it's a it's a disembodiment is what it is and i've talked about it a lot and i've talked about it on this show so i don't want to be a hypocrite here and say that you know but i'm not doing that for views i'm just sharing my i mean maybe and luckily you kept your butt cheeks to yourself i don't know that i did but i don't think anybody would have noticed had i everyone else was doing it too except for the shaman and the paramedics in the room so um

you know No knock on Shannon.

I mean, I get it.

Shannon's.

She's doing her thing and she's making her money.

And

it's a different world than it was 20 years ago when I was into my own kind of hallucinogenic healing thing, right?

So it's 20 years ago, and I didn't have an opportunity to jump on Instagram and tell everybody about myself.

No, no, we couldn't get ketamine from our Instagram accounts.

We couldn't, you know, like that was just a different world.

It wasn't being used for therapy.

No, that's true.

You're right.

It wasn't being used for therapy.

It wasn't being used for widespread

recreational healing and fucking burning man

or you know what soul tribe or whatever wherever you're at the reality is it's so accessible now also when i did it so wild you got an invitation i got an invitation and i had to show up to a meeting two weeks ahead of time to prepare so that the people who had done this before the people who were in the know could pass down some information that they felt would be helpful to my experience and to caution against taking this lightly because holy shit, it's going to put your dick directly in the dirt.

And you should know that.

And you're going to die.

Be ready.

You're going to die a thousand deaths.

And I can't explain to you how that's going to happen, but be ready.

Be mentally prepared for not being mentally prepared for what's going to happen.

Right.

Come rested and hydrated and the rest, you know.

That's it.

We'll have paramedics on board.

Yes.

And if something happens, we'll do our best.

And, you know, it's like being invited to the best party in the world, but you may die at that party.

It's possible you're going to die at that party.

Or at least think you did.

Yeah.

Yeah, you're definitely going to die.

But will you still be breathing when it's all over?

I don't know.

We'll have some paramedics.

Maybe they can help you.

But, you know, it's just, it seems like there's a very flip, there's all this stuff is very flipped now.

Like, yeah,

I'm doing an ayahuasca with this retreat this week.

It's lost some decorum and the respect factor.

Yeah.

I went to the Hamptons and we had an ayahuasca tea party.

We listened to, you know, we listened to Maroon 5.

And yeah, the parties about it are like, you sort of kept it quiet.

Like, hey, I'm having a party.

Come over.

Bring some favors.

I got invited to a yurt in someone's backyard to drink mushroom tea.

You know, it was like on the invitation, on the E-vite.

Yes.

It's wild.

It's weird.

It's weird.

It's wild.

Sound bath mushroom tea party.

Like, I'm in.

Yeah.

Listen, I got an invite recently.

I went.

I did it, you know, but I knew who was there and I knew the seriousness upon which it would be taken.

And it was.

Yeah, the ceremony.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There was a shaman there who was an actual native who was an actual shaman who lived it, breathed it, did it.

You know, she was a Mayan priestess.

That's what she did.

Not, that's, that's not she like.

It's who she is and what she does.

Correct.

She didn't, um,

what do they call that?

When you appropriate, she didn't appropriate someone else's culture

and then make it into what they wanted to make it into for fast casual consumption on Instagram.

This is what she was, right?

And as was the shaman that I did ayahuasca with.

This was very much the real deal.

Like, this guy was from the Amazon.

I don't think he'd ever seen a real television before.

I mean, honestly, the guy was like completely fish out of water when he came here, as was I once I did, and because I am essentially appropriating his culture by taking his medicine, but at least he's blessing me with it, right?

At least I'm not out there, you know, buying it on

Silk Road, too.

And I'm not saying you can't have meaningful experiences doing that, also.

I'm not trying to like shit on everybody who hasn't done it exactly the same way I have.

What I am cautioning against is the fact.

Let me repeat that because I think that's a cool phrase.

The fast casual consumption of these types of medicines,

you know,

feels a little bit dangerous to me.

I don't know.

Can be dangerous.

Let's put it that way.

Okay,

let me let you listen to a reel that I found.

I don't know if this is real or not.

So I want to caution against us, you know, going straight into it and believing that any of this is for real.

It sounds like rage bait to me, but so let's be careful that

we don't make the assumption right off the bat.

I just want to say that.

Let's see.

Where is the link that I put?

Here it is.

I even asked Chad if this was real, and they said, probably not.

They said, probably not.

Can AI detect AI?

Yeah, AI can detect.

I think it can.

I asked V if we could have a chat with all of our other AI friends.

Oh, yeah.

Should we have the two of them talking about that?

So that they can talk to each other.

That might not be a bad idea, actually.

Okay, here we go.

Ready?

Okay, hold on.

Let me see if I can.

Sorry, I just literally just went out.

She's going to school.

I'm about to drop her off to her last day of school.

I have to take her to.

And then the adoptees are picking off on the school pickup line.

And yeah, I'm a free woman after that.

I'm selling my house.

I'm buying an RV.

I'm about to travel the world.

I'm pretty excited.

I have been like waiting for this moment my entire life ever since I had her and I was being guilty and not giving her up just because like I felt like as a mom you're not supposed to give your kid up.

But then I had a good talk with like my boyfriend and he said that it

doesn't matter what other people think, it's what you want and I don't want a kid.

so that is a crazy reel where that has been going around.

It's probably the second time I've seen it.

I saw it again this morning.

Where the young lady wakes up and she explains, it says on the reel, like it's written in text, that today is the day I give up my daughter for adoption.

Right.

And she explains that the daughter is seven years old.

She's dropping, in case you didn't, in case it was a little, the music was very loud.

She's dropping her daughter off.

And then she

will not be the one picking her up.

No, she will not be the one picking her up.

Somebody else, the adoptees are going to pick her up.

Now, the reason why I first call bullshit on this is because that's not how the adoption process works.

You don't drop them off at school and then the new parents pick you off from school.

That is facilitated.

Usually, in some legal or authoritative way, there's a handoff of some nature.

And there are usually facilitators involved in that, whether that be CPS or the foster care program.

Or a child advocate at the very least.

Even private adoptions are handled in a different way.

So that's where I was kind of like, hey, I'm not sure this, this is real.

But there were so many reactions, tens of thousands of comments.

And I wondered,

my, but my second reaction to this was good for that young lady if it is true.

Because if that's her, that little girl, that's her fucking mom,

and her mom is taking, you know, therapeutic advice from some shithead boyfriend that she's got about, you know, go live your best life.

That is insanity.

That lady does not need to be a parent.

I know.

I say it all the time.

If you don't know, if you, if you're unsure if you want kids, you don't want kids.

That's it.

Period.

I think there's two things that I think are important

that we should stake as we move into the future here.

Number one, some guy on the internet had this idea.

I think it's wonderful.

At the age of 13 years old, every male in this country has to go register their DNA.

I know.

I've been saying this for a long time, but not register your DNA.

That's better than mine.

I said vasectomy when they're born because it's reversible.

It is.

It can can be reasonable.

And then, once you prove income and worthiness and dedicate like whatever you need to prove to become a parent, at least make it as difficult as it is to get a driver's license.

That's it.

This kid had the idea that at 13,

at the age of sexual maturity, every man, boy has to go in, they have to give a sample of their DNA.

Should they impregnate somebody, then they are legally responsible for 50% of the bills, 50% of the housing, 50% of the co-parenting, and they have the mandatory parenting.

You have to fund garnishments if you're not making your payment.

That's it.

And after that, after mandatory parenting class, it's brilliant.

Yes.

And then after a certain period of time of not paying, then the woman or whoever is taking care of the child gets that money plus interest.

And after a certain amount of that, then there's mandatory work.

You have to go to the military.

You have to do whatever.

This kid had a whole idea, and it was really fucking smart.

Because, you know, parenting, I've said this so many times.

I really tell him blue in the face along the lines of what you're saying.

You need a license to go pull a fish out of the fucking river.

To eat.

Yes.

You got to take a class to drive a fucking moped.

You have to learn how to skydive.

Something that doesn't, that doesn't cause any responsibility.

It could kill you, right?

It takes away life, not gives it.

But any fucking moron can be a parent.

Anyone.

Any fucking moron can be a parent.

And there are so many bad ones out there.

There are a lot of good ones, a lot of good ones.

But this is the hardest thing I have ever done in my life.

I heard a lady once, I don't know if she told me or I overheard it.

I can't remember where I heard this in context because I'm a man and that's just the way my brain works.

But

the,

the, like I'm paraphrasing what she said.

I did most of my growing up raising my children.

Right?

I did most of my growing up.

I grew up with

my kids.

That's for sure.

For sure, right?

I'm growing up at my extended age.

I'm growing up with my kids.

That's it.

I'm raising children and I'm knocking my head against the wall at every corner, trying to figure out how to feed them and clothe them and make sure that they're okay emotionally and physically.

Do the least amount of damage.

That's it.

Do no harm, right?

Steal no joy, do no harm.

That's it.

And I'm not sure I always get it right.

I'm not sure I ever get it right.

I promise you, you don't.

I promise me I don't either.

But the reality is that if this is true, and I don't think it is, I really think that this is not, this real is not actually a thing.

I think this is rage.

I think it echoes a lot of what might be happening in our collective consciousness, though.

People don't know the true commitment.

And, you know, maybe you got pregnant and you're like, okay, well, I don't believe in abortion, or maybe I'll give this a shot, or I want this kid.

It doesn't mean your feelings don't change.

And if she, for some reason or other people are talking about not having a connection with their child and wishing they could do it over, I mean, we've seen it in the, I mean, there's Reddit, there's Reddit threads and boards about, you know, like

I don't want them anymore.

Yeah, I can only imagine.

So I think it, it may be fake, but I don't, I think it probably echoes a sentiment that is very real.

Yep.

There is a law in the United States of America that you can drop a baby off anybody, a kid.

Any, just any child.

At defects, yeah.

At defects, at a fire station, or at a hospital, at a police station.

No consequences, no questions asked.

That's it.

And there have been famous cases of that happening.

I don't think it happens very often, but I used to work with a cost.

I used to work with ACASA, which is a child-appointed special advocate here in Georgia.

And yeah, one of the kids that I worked with, his mom did that.

13 years old.

13 years old.

Dropped him off at Defects and went to Chicago.

It's kind of sad.

Yeah.

This is a Halloween episode of the commercial race.

All the horrors of the world coming out.

Yeah.

It happens, but being excited about it on social media is a totally different story.

I totally agree with you.

Why you would ever put that story out there?

And I don't know who that young girl is.

And the reel is reposted, and there's no identifying information.

I did as much digging as I possibly could to see if I could get to the root of who did this, why they did this.

But the fact that you put it on social media is just, that is emblematic of what is going on.

I hope this lady doesn't actually have a kid.

She probably doesn't.

There was one lady.

There's one lady out there who does simply rage bait.

She takes real stories from Reddit or Twitter or whatever.

She takes real stories and then she acts them out on the camera as if it's her doing it, right?

And it's just rage bait.

It's all the worst possible things that humans have thought or done or whatever.

And her reels go viral all the time.

She got me the first time.

I forget what it was.

It was something like that.

If you think about it, and I was like, you motherfucker.

And then I'm like, that cannot be true.

And then,

and then it wasn't true.

I mean, it wasn't true for her.

There was somebody who did it.

Yeah.

But she has this whole thing.

She's like, you know, for entertainment purposes only, reenacting

truth in all this madness.

There is always a bit of truth and all the bullshit.

All right.

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We'll see what other horrible things we can talk about.

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All right, so let's keep the macabre going.

Two recent theme park deaths have made the news.

Have you heard about that?

I have not.

Sure.

There was the one guy.

Okay.

Well, let's go to chat

so that I don't misspeak here.

How's that?

Here in the U.S.?

Here in the U.S.

Okay.

And she'll give us the information.

Can you tell me about the recent death at the Universal theme park in Florida?

So just to fill you in, there was indeed a tragic incident recently.

A 32-year-old man named Kevin Rodriguez Zavala passed away after riding the Stardust Races roller coaster at Universal's Epic Universe.

They did look into it, and Universal said the ride was functioning as it should.

But the family and their lawyer are raising concerns about reopening it without an independent inspection.

Okay, so here's what happened: Kevin Zavala, the man who died after riding the roller coaster, has sued Universal.

His family has sued Universal.

They believe that Universal was criminally negligent in allowing Kevin to ride the ride.

Kevin was not,

he was disabled.

He was used a wheelchair to get around.

He went on a roller coaster that's very intense.

It's an intense roller coaster by the admission of the park and everybody else who's ever ridden it.

It's a very like G-heavy, thrash you around kind of ride.

When Kevin left, he was put in, he was helped into the ride vehicle.

He was strapped in.

When Kevin left, he was fine.

He was awake.

He was alert.

When he came back, he was bloody.

There was blood all over the ride.

There was blood all over people.

Apparently, this is a very gory scene.

And he died from blunt forced trauma to the head.

Whoa.

Yeah.

So people initially were saying that Kevin may have been hit by something on the ride.

Like he hit a part of the ride, whatever.

But what came to light was that Kevin was not able to use parts of his body in the first place, and that Kevin maybe shouldn't have been on the ride.

He can like hold his neck steady.

Couldn't hold his neck steady.

What some people are speculating is that Kevin had some kind of medical incident on the ride, became limp, and then because of his disabilities, was unable to even keep himself in a position and then got thrashed around, hitting his head on the restraints or the front of the ride or, you know, the front of the car or whatever.

Terrible, terrible situation.

That's awful.

For Kevin.

And for everyone on the ride with him.

For everyone on the ride with him.

And for the employees that had to deal with it.

And apparently the family is saying that the employees didn't deal with it appropriately when you came back.

How do you deal with it?

How is there a protocol for that?

This reminds me

greatly of the young man here at Six Flags over Georgia who was decapitated

by someone's feet.

It was the Batman ride because your legs hang down.

Batman ride because the legs came down.

That's the reason I don't ride it anymore.

I have a hard time going on that ride, too.

It just reminds me of something so terrible because it was very, it's very descriptive.

And if that kind of thing bothers you, I'm going to share what happened so you can turn it off.

Fast forward a minute and a half.

Kids lost,

one of the kids, he was with his friend, they lost the hat on the rock.

Ball cap, yeah.

Ball cap.

And they decided, they saw it, they decided to jump the fence to get it.

And when they jumped the fence to get it, the Batman ride has a circular, it's one of those hanging rides.

So your feet dangle down and you sit on the seat.

Yeah.

And it swoops upside down and then it comes back around toward the ground.

The hat was right there.

They thought the vehicles were out of the way.

The ride came through and the young man.

The girl, yeah, yeah, the girl kicked the head off, essentially, is what happened.

And the girl had major damage to her legs, and he lost his head.

His head came clean off his body, and that was that.

There were many witnesses to this, and it was a terrible, terrible situation.

But it reminded me of this.

The Batman ride is still on and functioning to this day.

It was off for a couple of months.

They did the major investigation.

The family sued Six Flags.

I think it went away.

Six flags.

It was clearly marked on the fence.

Do not cross

under any circumstances.

I mean, come on, guys.

Like, I'm not blaming the victim here.

He was a young kid.

Yeah.

You know, when you're younger.

The ride didn't malfunction.

No.

It wasn't six flags negligence.

He just jumped the fence.

He wanted his hat.

He wanted his hat.

He died over a hat.

I mean, the terrible, terrible.

Awful.

I just don't think I'd be able to sleep at night if that was my kid ever again.

I mean, that's.

Or the girl.

I mean, if you kick someone's head

clean off, that's some therapy for sure.

Yeah, well, I think she had so much damage to her leg, I believe that one of them was amputated.

I wouldn't doubt it.

Yeah, that's the young lady.

I mean, I think they both settled with six flags, but that's the young lady.

You know, she's got to live with that for the rest of her life.

And, you know, this is terrible for Kevin.

This is a terrible tragedy for him.

But it also reminds me that, you know, there is.

There are rules and guidance around riding these rides.

They're not all the safest things in the world.

Things do go wrong on these rides.

Things can happen.

I listen, I have read,

this is kind of macabre, but I have read about all of the medical, major medical accidents that have happened on Disney rides.

There's been about 300 throughout the years.

You know, this, that, the other thing, people getting stuck in, you know, ride vehicles, people, you know, getting their leg caught in between a track and a thing.

You know, there was a monorail accident where a monorail hit another monorail and one of the drivers.

That was terrifying.

Yeah, the driver died.

They crashed each other when they were trying to pull him into the service stations.

They crashed at like, you know, 20 miles per hour, and there was really nothing to protect the guy.

He was just standing in this glass box, essentially.

So all of these things just were, but there's also the personal responsibility is that if you don't think you can ride a ride, don't ride.

I don't get on them anymore.

I mean, truly, I had a friend when I was in middle school got thrown from one of those teacup style rides at the the carnival.

Oh, really?

Still friends with him today.

He's actually, you called me while we were here.

Yeah, he got thrown from it, you know, like stunted his growth.

Oh, my God.

I don't get on any of those, you know, like

I had the seatbelt bar come up on the screen machine on me.

I was like, teenager at six flags.

Like, it is terrifying.

Yes.

And the people operating these machines, I mean, and they are big machines.

That's what they are.

Complex big machines.

17-year-old kids pushing buttons, you know, and to hold them accountable in any way seems crazy.

You can't even use a meat slicer at Publix until you're 18.

Yeah, you can't serve a margarita at Chili's until you're 18 years old.

Access is licensure for like ridiculous.

Yeah, it's insane.

I agree with you 100%.

I think the places like Disney and Universal have better training

too, but still, yes.

You can make a career out of that.

At Six Flags, those are summer workers.

Summer

workers.

That's what they do.

They're summer workers making $10.25.

They get a two-week training course and then there's free roller coaster rides.

Free roller coaster rides and soft drinks.

And they're supposed to operate these incredibly complex machines.

Of course, there are adults around.

Sheets of engineering, they are.

They really are.

And, you know,

listen, in the order of trust, as far as roller coasters, theme parks, and amusement parks are concerned, Disney World and Universal may be up there.

Yeah.

Right.

Six flags, or like a Bush Gardens, second, a Six Flags, third, the State Fair, fourth, and any local carnival, parking lot carnival, zero.

I just won't do it anymore.

No, I've seen too many videos now where I'm like, holy shit.

And I also know that there's almost zero oversight over any of that.

What about I got thrown up on the, not the Gravatron, but the one that's just a loopy coaster that just goes in a circle and then it slings you backwards.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Person threw up.

Oh shit.

Yep.

I was waiting in line to take the kids on because I'm like, this one's okay, right?

Yeah, but no, thank you.

I looked at the girls.

I was like, I'm so sorry.

Listen, I love roller chasers.

I'm going to get fried Oreos instead.

I have always loved Roller Chasers.

It's so fun.

I love it all.

Take me on all of them.

I want to go on all of them.

I love, and now I'm taking my kids on them.

I love them, but I want to do that in a really well-disney

universal.

Yeah, Disney Universal.

Bush Gardens.

Bush Gardens.

Maybe King's Dominion.

Maybe King's Dominion.

Those are the like the things that are open year-round, where they're billion-dollar industries, where they have.

And they're known globally.

Yeah.

They have six or seven guys.

Like, I took the backstage tour, tour, Astrid and I did of Disney World.

We went on like the VIP backstage tour one time.

And we went on that tour and they took us into one of the rides.

It wasn't even the ride.

It was like the hall of presidence.

We went in there and saw like how it all worked.

There were 12 dudes that were sitting around working on that ride on a regular day when it was working.

There was 12 dudes.

Engineer.

Yeah, imagineers, engineers, whatever they were underneath it, working on it, plugging stuff in, oiling this up, doing that.

We're there for, I don't know, 45 minutes, watching all of these guys do what they do just to make sure that it operates.

And these guys all look like competent adult people that were doing their job, right?

Vetted by Disney.

Correct.

Vetted by Disney, there for a long time, understood the ride, probably knew it like the back of their hand.

Something went wrong.

They could fix it in a heartbeat with a piece of gum and some shoe leather, right?

That's the way that they were.

Kids at...

A pimple-faced

15-year-old at...

Running the mall parking lot carnival?

Yeah, running the mall parking lot zipper.

I'm trusting him with mine or my kids.

That's right.

I mean, sometimes I go to those carnivals and I see they're literally using a clothespin to hold you in.

And I'm like, that can't possibly be Saint.

Yeah, that carabiner is not going to hold.

No, it's not.

No way.

But even, you know, stuff does happen at Disney, too.

Like, Disney just had an incident where someone died on their haunted mansion ride.

What?

It's a very slow-moving ride.

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't see how anything could happen.

It's one of my favorite rides.

It's a wonderful ride.

Anybody who's ever been on it knows that it's a sentimental favorite.

Even it holds up today.

It still seems like a feat of engineering that they can make those ghosts look real.

It's so cool.

So cool.

Even though I know how it's done, I still don't understand it.

Even though

I know how it's done, I still don't understand how those ghosts appear like they do.

It's really quite crazy.

But someone passed away.

I think in this situation, it was probably a major medical incident, like having a heart attack or something like that.

But still, I mean, these things happen all the time.

It's just, you know, there's a certain amount of risk that you assume with anything.

You walk into a nail salon, you could could get an infection that kills you.

It's just the way that it is.

I feel really bad for this guy, Kevin.

It's made a lot of news.

There's a lot of people, especially theme park junkies, that are talking about this and what happened and how did he get this, all this trauma to his head and all this other stuff.

Do you think it's going to change some of the protocols going forward?

No, I don't.

Well, protocols, possibly.

Possibly

they will

discuss with the employees how you handle something like this.

Should someone, should the, the train pull into the station with a with a bloody body.

You know, how do you handle it?

Um, but there's just certain things you just can never prepare for.

Right.

Like, how do you prepare for a decapitated kid

below the Batman ride?

I know.

That run really messed me up for a while.

Oh, it messed everybody in Georgia.

Yeah.

They talked about it 24-7 for a long time, and it was a really big deal.

How do you psychologically repair yourself from that?

How do you prepare for that?

And then how do you react to that?

When a girl comes back with half her leg missing and yeah there's a head you know rolling around on the grass like how do you deal with that i don't know i don't want to be flip about this poor kid because terrible thing the whole thing was a tragedy yeah absolutely but how do you deal with that how do you deal with the minutia of that i don't really know so i don't i wasn't there i don't know but apparently the the park security and and the people who were working the ride they stayed with kevin and tried their best to help him But I think he was already dead by the time he pulled into the ship.

So are they saying that they should have told Kevin he couldn't ride the ride?

I'm wondering if Kevin should have been riding the ride.

Like, if it says, if you have a heart problem, if you have a back problem, if you have whatever.

That's not you.

That's your

responsibility.

And like, I've seen pictures of Kevin in his wheelchair at the theme parks being excited about all this.

So, Kevin is obviously not a novice to theme parks.

He had done this before.

But if you have to be transferred into a vehicle, that you can't do that on your own power, should you be riding a ride that could potentially cause a lot of g-forces to move your body in a way that you can't control?

Right.

Right.

So, you know, as an able-bodied person, I can tighten myself up if I know a turn.

You have to on some of those rides.

The ninja, one of my favorite coasters here at Six Flags, I mean, if you don't hold your head right, you're going to get a migraine.

You're going to hit your bang around so bad because it's just a little rickety, you know, like it's a concussion factor.

Yes, you have to be able to keep your neck stiff or you're going to pay for it.

Yeah, you really do.

And so, you know, if Kevin gets on a ride like that,

I'm not blaming the victim, right?

I'm sure no one expected.

I'm sure Kevin had done this a hundred times and Kevin knew his own limitations.

You know, he loved it enough to he took the risk.

He took the risk, and that sometimes you're on the losing end of that, right?

That sucks for everybody involved and all the employees and Kevin's family.

So I want to say that I am, I am, I'm heartbroken for his own family.

To go to a fun day at Universal and then end up with this happening is literally like the worst of the worst.

However, all of that said, should Kevin have been riding those?

And should there be protocol around people who are not able-bodied in certain ways?

Probably.

Being restricted from

you read those signs, right?

I'm pregnant.

You might not know that.

I'm going to get on the ride, even, you know, despite the warnings.

Yeah.

Same with a heart condition.

Nobody can detect that by looking at someone with a heart condition.

Epilepsy, another one that, you know, you just

if I'm loading you into the ride as the park worker, I'm not going to know you have those

emotions.

Of course not.

You got to police yourself a little bit on this.

Like Astrid and I went to Disney World when she was pregnant with our first.

And I will tell you what.

Cautious would be an understatement for how Astrid and I were about getting on any of those rides.

It was like the haunted mansion was about as exciting as it is.

Mr.

Toad's Wild Ride.

Yeah, Mr.

Toad's Wild Ride, Spaceship Earth.

I had to do all the roller coasters by myself as it should should have been, because she was pregnant.

And she, you know, to jostle around like that when you're pregnant is an obvious and known risk.

Yes.

And we were very cautious about that.

We had a great time, but it was just really walking around looking at the pretty things.

It wasn't like we didn't, that wasn't the time to go on all the big roller coasters and have a blast.

So, you know,

best wishes to Kevin's family, I hope.

Yeah, tragic.

I hope you get some kind of conclusion out of this that makes it feel a little bit better, though.

I don't ever think you get over anything like that.

He was with his girlfriend, too.

Man, Man, what a terrible, terrible thing to happen.

I wouldn't want to go to Disney and end up dead.

Hopefully, it was like a bucket list item for him, and he was

just full of joy.

I just said I wouldn't want to go to Disney and end up dead, but maybe that is where I'd want to go.

Yeah, you just want to, yeah, full of joy.

Yeah, maybe that's just it.

Magic and wonder, all expectation and excitement.

Family, having a great time.

That's it.

And then all of this.

It's not the worst thing in the world.

Yeah, you just go.

You just don't know.

And hopefully, that's how Kevin went.

But, and then all those people on the coaster.

Oh, that's that's the real.

There's the lawsuit, right?

That's draw.

Yeah.

Universal is going to be cutting some checks.

I'm sure they want this to go away.

This is like during Halloween horror nights.

This is like two weeks ago, I think this happened.

Yeah.

Nothing will ever top, however.

Any theme park horror story will never top the kid who got taken away by the alligator at Disney World.

That

is.

Oh, yeah, at downtown Disney.

No, at the Grand Floridian Hotel.

He was on the beach.

Yeah, and then he was playing by the water.

Yeah.

And the father jumped in and tried to save the baby and wrestled the alligator.

Unbelievable.

They only had one press conference with ABC News, conveniently owned by Disney, and I'll never forget it.

They just, it was like a three-minute.

They had to go away.

It was like a three-minute conversation with Diane Sawyer or something.

And it was just like, it was unfortunate.

Like, you could tell the lawyers were standing behind her at that moment.

Like, you can say that.

You can't say that.

We make your statement.

Here's the $25 million check.

Yes.

You know, hey, listen, that's the way it works, you know?

Life is a risk.

Yeah, life is a risk.

But I don't care how much money they got paid.

Give me my baby back.

Give me my baby back.

That's right.

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