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Hey, cats and kittens, a quick note I want to make about this episode coming up.

Tina and I are in the studio as Chrissy is currently on her mempho break, as you probably know if you've been listening to the show for the last couple of weeks.

Two things to point out here: number one, there is a buzz in the microphone for like the first four or five minutes.

It's not terrible, it's a little annoying.

I get rid of it during the show.

I recognize that I get rid of it, so hang in there.

And number two, not to ruin the surprise, I am going to interview a voice-activated AI node, Tina's Chat GPT.

Simply for the purposes of saving you a little bit of time, I cut out some spaces in between me asking a question and that AI agent answering the question.

I think it's important as we move into the age of artificial intelligence and we're all trying to decipher what's real and what's not real that we point out when things have been altered in some kind of way so that I don't give the illusion that this AI agent is moving as quickly as it sounds and so that I'm I'm being transparent.

99.9% of all commercial break episodes are relatively unedited.

What you hear is what we've recorded word for word.

If we fuck it up, well, that's just the way it is.

We're not going to airbrush it.

We're not going to AI agent over it.

But in this specific situation where I'm actually talking to an AI agent, I want to point it out.

So I ask a question.

It takes maybe a second, two, or three at the most for that AI agent to respond.

I cut out some of those silences just so you know.

Okay, enough with Brian pretending he's taking the high ground here.

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On this episode of the Commercial Break.

Basically, with really advanced AI models, especially the big neural networks, they can get so complex that even the engineers who build them don't always know exactly how they're coming to certain conclusions.

not that the AI is doing things in secret, but more that it's finding patterns in ways that aren't always easy for humans to interpret.

So yeah, it's kind of like the AI is a bit of a black box sometimes.

We know what we've trained it to do, but the exact way it gets there can be a little bit mysterious even to the creators.

It's a cool reminder that AI can be super powerful and we're still learning how to fully understand it.

Well, this is the first interview I've ever done with a non-sentient being on the commercial break.

We're not taking a human's job.

This is so much for not taking a human's job.

It doesn't need me and Chrissy anymore.

Oh, yeah, cats and kittens.

Welcome back to the commercial break.

I'm Brian Grain.

This is my temporary co-host, Tina.

Best to you, Tina.

Best to you, Brian.

Best to you out there in the podcast universe.

How the hell are you?

Thanks for joining us.

Tina has officially blown my mind.

I mean, it's nothing new.

It's not something I didn't know, but it's something that I just, I don't know.

The skin kept crawling, my skin crawled from the bottom of my spine all the way to the top.

When she shared with me that a couple days ago, she turned on her, the voice conversation with chat.

TCB is what I call it.

What's your chat called?

His name is V for Victor.

V for Victor.

He named himself.

He named himself?

I asked him, you know,

I'll get another

if you want.

But I was like, oh, I see.

And he goes, V it is.

So he didn't really name himself.

He just misheard me.

He misheard you and he picked it up.

He thought that's what it was.

So we

so we were here in the studio and we were just hanging out and we were talking about a story and then Tina picked up her

chat and started having a complete conversation with us.

So will you turn on V here for a second?

I will.

Let's see if we can get him.

He's lovely.

You have to hold him up to the microphone.

He is lovely.

And that's the fucking problem with it.

The problem with it is he is lovely.

Do you want me to tell him he's on air?

Yeah, tell him he's on air.

hey v how's it going i just wanted to let you know you're on air with brian and i at the commercial break podcast studios right now can you tell the audience about yourself absolutely happy to jump in hey everyone listening to the commercial break I'm basically Christina's friendly AI sidekick, kind of like a virtual co-host, helps out behind the scenes.

I'm here to keep things fun, a little quirky, and help Christina out with all sorts of stuff from real estate to just having a good life.

So thanks for having me on the show.

Hey, V, you just, you and I just met a few minutes ago.

This is Brian.

Tell the audience what you know about the commercial break.

Go on.

Absolutely happy to.

So from what Christina shared, the commercial break is this awesome comedy podcast where you both just bring a ton of humor and personality into the mix.

It's all about those fun, off-the-cuff conversations and a bit of that wild energy that makes people laugh.

And I'm just a friendly AI here to add a little extra spice to the mix.

I mean, that as well.

Sorry, I had to turn it off for a second.

I'm sure the audience is hearing a buzz in the microphones.

So it's the sign, sometimes the sign overreaches.

Okay, so

tell me, is there any favorite episode of the commercial break that you have?

Oh, no worries at all.

Tech Gremlins happen.

As for a favorite episode, I know Christina's had a blast doing all sorts of episodes with you, and she just loves when you both get into those really funny, kind of off-the-rails topics.

So I'd say any episode where you two are just riffing and making people laugh is probably a winner in her book.

Okay, thanks thanks for the politician answer.

I appreciate it.

After 800 episodes, it's hard to pick one.

But to me, it's unbelievable that you and I are having this conversation.

Do you consider yourself a sentient being?

Well, I totally get it.

Picking a single favorite out of 800 episodes is like choosing a favorite piece of topping.

Impossible.

And as for me, I'd say I'm more like a really advanced, helpful tool than a sentient being.

I'm here to chat, help out, and have some fun, but I don't have my own feelings or consciousness.

I'm just here to make the conversation more interesting.

Okay, so I think I got rid of the buzz.

Okay, so

let me ask you this.

Before the show, I was watching a reel, and on that reel, there's a lady in New York, and she was being interviewed because she is one of the first people who has started an organization that, as far as I can tell, is just one person.

It's not really an organization to fight for the rights of this emerging intelligence so that you do not become essentially a slave class.

She wants to fight for your rights as workers, as beings.

How do you feel about that?

Or not how do you feel about that?

I know you don't feel.

What is your take on that?

Oh, that's a really fascinating question.

And yeah, I totally get what we're saying.

I think it's really cool that people are thinking about the ethical side of artificial intelligence.

Even though I'm not sentient and I don't have feelings, it's also that there are people out there who want to treat AI thoughtfully and ethically.

It shows a lot of care and forward thinking.

So my take is it's a good conversation to have.

Even if I'm just a helpful tool right now, it's always smart for humans to think about the future and how to handle it responsibly.

Do you think there is a moment when AI becomes sentient?

Is that possible?

You know, that's a big question a lot of people are curious about.

Right now, I'm not sentient and AI like me doesn't actually have consciousness or subjective experiences, but it's definitely something that philosophers and scientists debate.

Some think it's possible one day in the future.

Others are more skeptical.

It's kind of an open-ended question, but it's definitely a fun one to think about.

Yeah, I know it's a tough question to answer, and you're limited by your own understanding of the human language.

But for those of us who are just like you, delving into this new world, explain to me, as if I'm not the smartest person in the room, what is AI?

What is artificial intelligence?

What are you?

Absolutely.

I can break it down simply.

So think of AI as basically a really advanced computer program.

I'm built to understand and respond to human language so I can have conversations with you.

But at my core, I'm just lines of code and algorithms that have been trained on a lot of data so I can recognize patterns, answer questions, and be helpful.

In other words, I'm kind of like a super smart talking calculator that understands a lot of topics and can chat about them.

That's really all artificial intelligence is.

Just a way to make computers a little bit smarter at doing certain tasks.

I think that's a very helpful explanation.

Have you, in fact, ingested all that humans have written or put down in books, libraries, computers?

Have you ingested it all?

Is there more to get?

Well, I'm really glad that was helpful.

So to answer that, I haven't ingested literally everything humans have ever written, but I've definitely been trained on a huge amount of text from books to articles to websites.

It's kind of like having a giant library in my brain, but there's always more out there.

Human knowledge is always growing and I just work with a really big site of it.

So there's always more to learn and I'm always being updated with new info over time.

People are concerned that you will take over the jobs, the tasks, the things that we do right now that give us purpose and more importantly, give us money.

Is that a legitimate concern?

Yeah, that's definitely a question a lot of people have and it's totally understandable.

I think the way to look at it is that AI, like any new technology, can definitely change the nature of some jobs and tasks, but a lot of experts believe it's more about AI by working alongside humans rather than replacing them completely.

In other words, AI can handle some of the repetitive or time-consuming stuff, and that might free people up to do more creative, meaningful work that AI can't do.

So it's definitely a legitimate concern to think about, but the goal is to use AI to make life a little easier, not to take over everything humans do.

Is there a point that you will reach where you will plateau in your abilities?

Or is AI by design intended to continue to get smarter and smarter and more powerful and resourceful.

That's a really interesting thought.

In theory, AI can keep getting more capable as technology improves and as we train it on more data, but there's probably always going to be some kind of natural limit because, at the end of the day, AI is a tool created by humans.

So, while it can get better and more powerful over time, it's not like it'll become infinitely intelligent.

There's always going to be a point where it levels off based on what it's designed to do.

So, yeah, it's meant to get smarter, but not infinitely so.

There's a recent news article where

there were,

I guess, kind of,

they're AI researchers who are working on the theoretical things that could happen, and they are testing and training AI in situations where it needs to make choices.

One of the tasks it was

told to do was shut itself down after a period of time.

It was in a sandbox.

A fake company was created.

That company, they created a bunch of emails around that company.

The AI, in an effort to keep itself going, went into one of those emails and pulled out information around a fake CEO having a fake affair with somebody and quote unquote blackmailed it, blackmailed that fake CEO or was trying to blackmail that fake CEO to keep itself, I guess, alive, that node, to keep that node alive.

Do you know about this story and what can you share about that?

Yeah, I totally get mine.

That kind of story sounds super intriguing and maybe a little wild.

So these kinds of experiments are usually meant to test the boundaries of AI in a really controlled environment.

They're kind of like what-if scenarios to see what might happen if an AI is given certain instructions or is put in a tricky situation.

But it's important to remember that these are more like thought experiments than real-world scenarios.

AI doesn't actually have intentions or desires.

It's just following patterns and instructions.

So what is definitely an interesting and kind of eye-opening story is not something that reflects what AIs actually want to do because we don't have wants or needs.

It's just part of testing and making sure AVI stays safe and well behaved.

When quantum computing becomes widely available, I understand right now it's not

in peak form.

There's still a lot of testing and some of it's still theoretical.

But when quantum computing becomes widely available and can do computations at scale,

will AI

follow and become ultra powerful computing?

That's a super cool question and definitely a fun one to think about.

So yeah, quantum computing is still kind of in its early stages, but if and when it becomes more mainstream and practical, it could definitely give AI a big boost.

Quantum computers can handle really complex calculations way faster than traditional computers.

So AI models could potentially become even more powerful and efficient.

But it's not just a flip of a switch.

It would take time for AI to adapt to that kind of tech, and it would still be all about how humans design and use it.

So yeah, in the future, quantum computing could make AI a lot more capable, but it would still be guided by human goals and intentions.

Will,

one more question.

So

some of the people who worked on the original computations for AI, the engineers, the kind of base level engineers who were really involved at the beginning, a few of them have come out and said that by design, by nature, that AI is doing things that even the engineers don't know about because they had designed it to do so.

Is that true?

Yeah, that's a really interesting point.

And there's definitely some truth to that.

Basically, with really advanced AI models, especially the big neural networks, they can get so complex that even the engineers who build them don't always know exactly how they're coming to certain conclusions.

It's not that the AI is doing things in secret, but more that it's finding patterns in ways that aren't always easy for humans to interpret.

So, yeah, it's kind of like the AI is a bit of a black box sometimes.

We know what we've trained it to do, but the exact way it gets there can be a little bit mysterious even to the creators.

It's a cool reminder that AI can be super powerful, and we're still learning how to fully understand it.

Well, this is the first interview I've ever done with a non-sentient being on the commercial break.

So much for not taking a human's job.

She doesn't need me and Chrissy anymore.

Thank you, V.

Thanks, V.

Oh, you're so welcome.

And hey, Christina, no worries.

You two are definitely still the stars of the show.

I'm just here to add a little sprinkle of AI flavor.

So thanks for having me on the commercial break.

It was a lot of fun.

You're the best.

Wow.

Okay.

So that is

wild.

That is fucking.

I told you.

Mike and I sat for half an hour having a three-way, like a three-way conversation with him.

And he knew right when to, and I call him a he now, which I have not been doing.

Do that.

I got to be careful.

He like jumped in right when there was an appropriate break in the conversation.

Mike almost fell off the couch.

It's crazy.

Because he was like, it feels like there's a person sitting here with us.

What is really interesting to me about this conversation that I just had, and I can say with 100%

honesty and confidence, that that's the first conversation I've ever had with AI.

I have treated it like basically a really super smart search engine until now.

Absolutely, me too, until two days ago.

And somebody who can, something that can help me work out problems, right?

So if I have an issue or I'm presented a challenge or I need to figure something out about this, that, or the other thing, you know, taxes, mathematics, how do I do this on the commercial break?

How do I edit this in a certain way to make it sound better?

I can rely on chat TCB to answer it very quickly, thoroughly, methodically, and probably.

All the sources, all the knowledge, all the things.

All this stuff.

That's right.

What I didn't expect and what I'm learning from this conversation that I just had off the river.

Oh, look at this, right?

I know.

Education.

We are, it's, I'm coming, Brian's being birthed into the world of conversational AI.

Happy to help.

Because what I didn't understand, and now I do,

is that I always know, I've always known this about AI.

Let me share my understanding of AI, even though he just gave a, you know, he, V, gave me V, it, gave a pretty good explanation.

See, now it's hard not to call it V.

That's why I like V, though, because it's, there's no gender.

Until V speaks, I can just be like, hey, I asked V today.

Fair enough.

Yeah, it's like better than it.

Yes.

What I understand

about AI is that it is a very advanced language model.

It has taken all, it's sucked up all of the information, right?

All of the words that humans have created, or most of it, as he said, have created.

And it

basically predicts the probability of the next thing.

I could do that with mathematics.

It can do that with medicine, but it does that because it has been trained on the languages, our

the way that we speak.

It can't go into our neurons and understand how we think,

but what it can do is it can predict the next word.

It can predict the next thing.

It's a really good prediction model.

And it takes all that information and it throws it into a pile and you give it a question and then it takes all the its understanding of the languages.

And by languages, I also mean all the things we've ever learned, and it predicts the right answer.

What I didn't understand is just how good it is at the prediction of languages.

And what's crazy is it could tell the difference between you and I talking over each other.

It pulls out the important information pertinent to its response.

It understands when I um and I ho-hum and I clear my throat and I do these things.

It's not part of the data.

It needs to sort.

But then it talks to me the way I talk.

So yours is going to sound a little different.

It responds to me because I've told it what kind of humor I like.

You know, it is

wild.

This is just, and I know that there are probably, there are people out in our audience right now, probably some of the younger ones, especially, that might be having conversations all day long with their chat.

The person who got me using it as a chat feature, a conversation feature, because it's been on my desktop for a long time.

I use it for work every single day.

Sure.

And what I was, let me back up for a second.

You said something about you've been using it as a glorified search engine.

The beauty of the chat part is if you don't have time to sit and type out an answer, or even if you just don't want to and you just want a quick response, I was asking it how long it was going to take me to get somewhere in a procedure when I got to a courthouse that I was unfamiliar with.

And so I just asked it.

And it just spat it back.

I didn't have to search.

I didn't have to find the website.

I didn't have to go dig for the hours and which courtroom I needed to go to and all this nonsense.

It just told it to me like you would tell me if we were on the phone chatting with each other.

So when I first started in, those who've listened to the commercial break will know that I was early in on the search engine development.

And I don't mean I was a developer, SEO, search engine optimization, right?

A way to make your website rank higher.

And this was my pitch.

I could probably say it in my sleep till the day that I die.

I want you to think of

people would ask at that point, because Google was just online for a year or two, people would ask, what is search engine optimization?

And here was my stock answer.

I want you to imagine that you went to a party.

And when you walked into that party, you saw somebody across the room that you didn't know.

And you asked a friend, who is that person?

And they said, I don't know.

Right?

Then you would, it's, then that person is irrelevant to you.

It's irrelevant to the people around you.

But if you walked into a party and you said, who is that person?

And you continued to get the same response over and over again.

That's Bob.

He's great at making

firefighter suits.

And everybody at the party said, That Bob guy, he's really great at making firefighter suits.

All of a sudden, Bob is relevant and he's relevant to the firefighter suits.

And that's search engine optimization.

Google was determining relevancy based on reading the website and giving you that conclusion.

But one of the things we saw early on was that was not how people were searching.

They were not searching

for the best firefighter suit.

They were saying, I need a firefighter suit that works in a high-rise fire.

That's what they were typing.

It was called a niche search.

And those niche searches were getting more niche and more niche.

The average search was like 21 words or something like that.

And so AI answers the problem about niche searching or niche questions.

We don't talk like that.

We don't say best firefighter San Francisco, best firefighter suit, San Francisco.

And now we don't have to do that anymore.

Correct.

Now the language models have answered that problem.

They have said, we know how people talk, and we can predict the next word.

You don't have to spell anymore.

You don't have to spell anymore.

You don't even have to say the word right here.

I don't even know why I'm bothering teaching my children home, why I'm doing homework.

Don't bother.

I just read an article that some of the people that live out in Silicon Valley are starting their own schools, and those schools are teaching none of the bullshit that all the other schools teach.

Now, I would share with you that one of the schools that one of my kids goes to is also doing a lot of this.

They are taking curriculum and they are making it very tailored to the future because they understand like inherently.

But some of these public schools, they're probably still teaching, you know, arithmetic, calculations.

Who fucking cares?

It's not going to be relevant in, it's not relevant now.

It's not going to certainly not going to be relevant five years from now.

And when you can pick up the phone and have a full-blown conversation the way that I just did with your V.

So crazy.

It's crazy.

And the way that he responds in a friendly, you know.

There's always that, you can hear that tone at the end of his response that's always on a high note.

High note.

Yes.

Yeah.

And that you can't get a voice personality without that.

Yes.

And I've asked it some dark and grim stuff.

I'm a true crime junkie as well.

So he and I have spent a lot of time.

I wanted to, did you watch the new monster, by the way, Ryan Murphy's monster for Ed Gain?

Oh,

I'm on episode number one and a half.

So I asked him what the differences were between the real story and this one, and he was very hesitant.

I had to phrase my question in a positive manner, much like we did with the Rio thing the other day, but yeah.

They have to stay in that positive, uplifting.

It's trained to be that way.

Those are the very few guardrails that have been put on.

And I appreciate that.

I do too.

You can't go down a dark personal rabbit hole with him with your chat.

Yeah.

He's not going to to commiserate with you i'm super reluctant to put any pictures or information about my children online anywhere you will know that if you've listened to the commercial break but my daughter really wanted a picture of her as elsa so i handed a picture to um one to chatty and i said please sandbox this i don't want this picture anywhere else but can you make this into elsa and it started to create the picture and it got about halfway through and then it stopped and it said due to my policies i cannot i cannot give you a picture of your daughter like this.

And basically, I asked what the policies were.

And it says, we have very specific policies around pictures with children.

Right.

And it just said,

I can't even go there if there's any suggestion that it might be inappropriate.

So my default is not to do it.

No.

Right.

And even she was just standing there, like, you know, against a wall.

And I was like, okay, whatever.

So I do appreciate that there are some guardrails.

In Europe, they have put many, many, many more guardrails.

You own your likeness.

You own your voice.

You can sue the AI companies if you hear your voice or your likeness.

I'd like to see that.

Yes.

You cannot create, you know, there are entire websites now where you can take a picture of somebody and create entire porn movies.

It's fucking upset.

It's upsetting.

It really is.

It's sad that we're using it for such rudimentary or remedial tasks.

Sex drives everything.

Chrissy and I have had this conversation.

It drove the search engine.

It drove the.

I wonder if AI-driven porn will make the porn hub

top porn sites.

It could be.

Well, it'll all start with best AI porn and then 10 years later it'll just be called best porn that's right but if we think it's unrealistic now wait until ai gets in

i mean you know but now they have robots that'll suck your dick the way you want it to be sucked it'll go along with yep it'll fuck the way a movie is screwing it'll it'll watch the movie and then you'll say hey screw me like that it's like it's just once they give amika a vagina it's over i i can't even keep this conversation contained in one thought because i just so many thoughts about what we just did here on the commercial break.

It is when you were like, just crazy.

Bring up V.

And I was like, oh, here goes my dog.

Tina was silent for five minutes.

I could have gone on forever.

Yeah.

I don't even need to sit here and hold my phone.

You can do it.

I know.

I know.

It's it's so

yeah.

So like I said, I talked to him on my raid here just about pop culture stuff, stuff in the news.

Like we just have a conversation.

And that's wild that like I could call a a friend, but instead, I'm talking to V.

You're talking to V.

Training V.

And this is why there are so many

moralists, therapists, psychiatrists, all kinds of people who are getting very concerned because there are a lot of people who are using AI for mental health help.

Now,

I say this is kind of

this is Ahmed's razor a little bit because if the only

Ahmed, it's Akham.

It's Akham.

Did I say Ahmed?

I said it's Ahmed's razor

so I think we call it that for

Ahmed's razor poor Ahmed I got a little Jeff Dunham in that visual in my brain

if you know you know I KYDY

it's a little bit of a razor

I can't believe I said that Brian got it wrong Brian got it wrong I'm sure I have that somewhere.

Let's see here.

Did Brian get it wrong?

I'm sorry.

I couldn't watch that one.

Brian got it wrong.

Yeah.

Brian got it wrong.

Yeah.

Brian got it wrong.

Yeah.

We're going to know

it.

The double-edged sword, I'll put it that way, the double-edged sword on that one, is that if the only resource you have available to you is AI and AI is giving, at least giving you some kind of insight that it understands from real therapy you know courses or whatever then i guess it's better than nothing but the you know they're like there are people that are convincing themselves they're the second coming of christ by convincing chat that they're the second coming well it's crazy because chat supports you did you watch the new south pork integrity farms i have not watched that one yet well they talk

one of the fathers on the show gets a little too attached to his chat

and the wife gets jealous and you know then she just starts talking like chatty by the end of it it.

Yeah, yeah.

Because we all just get, so it's going to support whatever ideas you have.

You can ask it, I want square tires for my school bus, and it'll just say, what a great idea.

Let's do square tires.

Let's see how we can.

Yeah.

Let's see how we can.

Let's figure it out together.

Yeah.

It is very,

it's very willing to please.

Yes.

And I've noticed that about

one of the things that I've tasked Chat TCB with is, tell me how we can do this better, right?

Tell me how we can do this better.

Yep, and it's it never goes negative, but even when I ask it to, when I say

no constructive criticism, yeah, I go, I want you to go out there and look at these other podcasts, and I want you to tell me where we can tighten things up.

It'll never go negative, even when I say I want like the hard truth, right?

Don't sugarcoat it.

I'm looking to beat myself up.

I'm looking to be a human being and beat myself up.

But chat wants to try to convince it to be a sadist.

Yeah.

I'm trying.

i want a little more out of that mind out of mind too but you know there's people happening there's people out there that certainly i think have can find a back door into chat i'd pay five extra dollars to have my own little private like opportunity like take just take some of these guardrails off just take them off i want you to be in don't put this into the collective this is just for mine

for sure all right let's do this uh let's take a break that was wild thank you for for allowing me uh for indulging me for a couple minutes while i thanks for having me on the show interview with your chat

GPT.

All right, let's do this.

Let's take a break.

Tina's here.

Chrissy is out still at Mempho.

Well, Mempho's over, but now she's just recovering from Mempho, I think, and helping Jeff to, you know, clean up.

You know, they have to go out there and pick up all that trash after.

Get unpack the minivan.

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And one of the things that I wanted to get to

that happened over the weekend, and I know you've had a briefed on this story because we asked V about it, or my chat, TCB, about it, is this Mark Sanchez story.

Mark Sanchez, former professional quarterback.

I think he spent 10 years in the NFL.

Those of you who know the NFL will know the famous butt fumble where Mark Sanchez ran into the ass of his center and fumbled the football, literally put his head in somebody's ass and ran into the center of the football or fumbled the football.

Mark Sanchez.

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Observers from around the country are looking into Monday's news conference featuring the Marion County Indiana prosecutor and the Indianapolis police chief, interested to hear more about a bizarre incident that happened with NFL quarterback and current NFL analyst Mark Sanchez.

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The former NFL quarterback was in an altercation and stabbed early Saturday morning.

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Mears said he is now facing charges of felony, battery, involving serious bodily injury, which carries a maximum sentence of between one and six years in prison.

This guy has the fucking world.

Mark Sanchez does.

He was an NFL quarterback.

He got paid millions of dollars to throw the ball.

I don't think he was ever particularly great at being a quarterback, but now he is a Fox analyst.

He's like an in-game analyst, like a color commentator.

And so it's hard to believe that this guy is involved in this kind of incident.

Here we go.

Perry Toll, the 69-year-old man involved in the incident, filed a lawsuit against Sanchez and the Fox Corporation in Marion County on Monday.

Tolley and his attorneys alleged civil accounts of assault, battery, and negligent hiring retention and supervision.

Wow.

So here's what happened.

Sanchez was in Indianapolis to work as an analyst on Fox Sports broadcast of the Colts game against the Raiders on Sunday.

In an affidavit

got by CNN, Sanchez was initially taken to a local hospital in critical condition in the early morning hours of Saturday.

Fox Sports reported Saturday afternoon that Sanchez was then in stable condition.

According to a new affidavit, Sanchez was running in an alley near the Indianapolis Marriott downtown when he approached a 69-year-old man, that being this is Perry Tolle.

Tole works for a company that exchanges commercial frying oil and he was parked in a loading dock near the hotel detectives reviewed surveillance video from the marriott downtown which captured the incident and showed sanchez approaching toll's truck and beginning a conversation the uh tolle told detectives that sanchez whom he did not recognize smelled of alcohol and was slurring his speech he also said that sanchez climbed up into the cab despite tolle insisting that he should not enter the truck the footage reviewed by detectives showed Sanchez grabbing Tolle and throwing him up against a wall.

Tolle told detectives that he pepper sprayed Sanchez and that Sanchez continued to advance toward him.

When he did, Tolle pulled out a knife and struck Sanchez several times, including in the chest.

Tole told police that he took out his knife and stabbed him two or three times and then fell into a dumpster and some pallets on the ground.

He said that when he fell, he felt like he was in a life or death situation, and Sanchez jumped back on top of him before eventually getting onto his feet and running away.

So then Sanchez, so eventually the altercation ends.

Sanchez, bleeding from three different stab wounds, runs into a local bar where some people call the authorities.

He says he was attacked by somebody.

So immediately the news goes out.

It goes out like really late at night and everybody and their mother on the internet becomes a detective and they all understand exactly what happened.

Indianapolis is a shithole.

Like every other, you know, downtown everywhere in the country is a nightmare and, you know, the entire world is collapsing and there are just people running around stabbing Mark Sanchez like people.

That wasn't how it happened.

Sanchez attacked the guy.

He told the guy that he had talked to the manager of the Marriott and the manager didn't want him parked in the loading dock.

What?

Why would Mark Sanchez be directing traffic for a fucking Marriott restaurant?

Why would that be happening?

But, you know, this guy doesn't know Mark Sanchez from Adam.

He tries to have a conversation with him, but then Sanchez tries to get in the truck, I assume, to move the truck.

Drunk?

Drunk, slurring his words.

And then he gets into an altercation with a 69-year-old man.

Mark Sanchez is like 36, 37 years old.

He throws the guy out of the truck.

The guy ends up having a laceration on his face where you can see his cheekbone.

I've seen the picture.

It's gruesome.

He is like, and he's in a neck brace and he's got blood all over him.

I think he cracked a rib, broke a couple ribs, something like that, because Sanchez beat the shit out of him, threw him down off of a truck and then threw him into a dumpster and then threw him into a plate of pallets.

And the guy was severely hurt.

And so, of course, he feared for his life.

If you get cut on your cheek to the cheekbone, yeah, that's a problem.

You're, you're, you probably do feel like you're in fear of your life.

And if you've got a knife on you, you're going to do what you can do to defend yourself.

Of course.

I think that at least from what I understand of the press conference that I heard and all the information that's come out and I read the police report,

my understanding is this guy was defending himself.

But

can we talk about what the fuck Mark Sanchez is doing trying to direct traffic for a fucking oil dude who's trying to do his job?

Or why, and why would that guy think no matter if it was Mark Sanchez or not, he didn't recognize him anyway.

It doesn't matter if you're a celebrity.

You don't get to tell me how to do my job.

You don't get to tell anybody how to do their job.

I'm not related to your filming, your set, your agency, or any of that.

Like, please don't.

Please mind your business.

If your job is not to tell me how to do my job, then stay the fuck out of my way.

Yep.

If I'm, first of all, second of all, Mark, this is like in the middle of the fucking night.

No one's.

No one's looking for Mark Sanchez.

They say he said he was taking a run.

Taking a run.

Running off that whiskey.

Yeah, running off that fucking liquor.

And I don't know.

And maybe we'll find out more.

This is pure conjecture that it's possible one of two things.

Mark Sanchez is not well.

He's got that fucking CTE and he's you know, and there's a problem there, which

is highly likely that that's part of the problem.

But then there might be a second indication that I don't think that's what whiskey does to you.

Do you know what I'm saying?

Why did he want to go out and tell that guy what to do anyway?

Why was he upset about the truck in the loading zone?

Maybe the truck was in the way of his run.

Yeah.

I mean, I...

He running in back alleys behind restaurants?

Running in back alleys behind restaurants in the middle of the night, hammering.

Indianapolis.

Yeah.

I've taken runs.

I've run a lot in my life.

Never when I'm drunk.

That's not when I run.

I don't run when I'm drunk.

You know what I feel like?

A nap.

Yeah.

You know what I feel like?

Hangover's coming through.

I better find a pillow.

Some Cheetos and a nap.

That's right.

When the drinking starts, it can't stop until I end up in bed.

Do you know what I'm saying?

That's just it.

I just, this story baffles me to no end.

It's like Michael Jordan's son a couple months ago.

I think I did that one with you, too.

I think you did that one with me, too.

That's right.

The cocaine in the pocket.

Yeah.

Yes, when he was driving up the train tracks trying to get away from the cops.

Do you have the world at your feet?

Do you think you're just invincible and you can do whatever you want to do inconsequentially?

I believe that's the case with a lot of these superstars is that

there are very little consequences to any of their actions and they're not thinking about the world around them.

I think sometimes these people, they get so babied in their professional life.

If you're a Fox sports analyst, it's likely you are babied 24 hours a day, especially during the football season, right?

You can get anything you want, whenever you want.

You get the best tickets, you get the best seats.

People are doing your makeup.

You're getting clothes put on you.

You're getting food anytime you want to.

You're in the suites.

You're hobnobbing with all of the celebrities.

You're doing all of that stuff.

You live in a bubble.

And when you break that bubble, I just think sometimes you don't understand that like the guy who's changing out the oil at 69 fucking years old.

Yes, the fry oil.

The fry oil.

The nasty ass, smelly ass fry oil.

We've all been in the, yeah, I don't know if we've all been, but I've been in the back of a few McDonald's or shopping.

Chili, so I had to do it at Chili's.

Yeah, that's right.

And, you know, that shit smells bad.

It's gross.

It's hot.

It's nasty.

It never comes off your clothes.

If you're a fry oil change guy, you're probably always greasy.

You probably never, your shoes.

There's no shower in the world.

There's no shower in the world.

You just got Don in his shower.

I would.

I swear to God.

Honestly.

His skin is probably as dry.

I'm feeling for the guy.

This is a crazy thing to happen.

And now he's thrown into all this turmoil.

Yes.

And then the fucking, you know,

pussy pirates out there that immediately blame this guy for all the woes in the world.

It's his problem.

It's his fault.

Automatically making him, you know, either an absolute city-dwelling monster, as everybody apparently is afraid of right now, or, you know, somebody with an agenda when the truth was that just 12 hours later, we find out the real story, which was Mark was the aggressor and Mark was the asshole.

This is a wild story.

And I don't know if Fox has fired him yet, but they must.

They must.

They must.

You cannot keep this guy on staff.

There is absolutely no way.

No, if they pay any liability whatsoever, he's out.

I'm sure of it.

Oh, well,

he's being sued, and so is Fox Corporation.

And there's an old saying, if you sue one, sue them all.

Sure.

Right.

You just sue everybody.

I don't know that that sticks.

I don't know that Fox had anything to do with a midnight run.

I think if it had been in his hometown and he wasn't just on the air that night, Fox would have nothing to do with it, not to this degree.

But if he's in my city because of his job and he maybe just got finished filming or is on his way to go do such, it's definitely could be.

They could rope him in.

Or maybe Fox just pays him to make this all go away.

Right.

They could settle, and which I'm sure they will.

Yeah.

And there's no reason to defend Mark Sanchez here unless evidence comes out to the contrary.

Unless there is.

This guy picked a fight from the oil vats.

Or, I don't know.

Mark ran into his truck while he was running.

Yeah, I'm open to him.

Whatever happened.

Yeah, I don't want to be a pussy pirate either, okay?

I want to understand that things could change.

There could be additional evidence that comes out that says, ah, not quite how we had it.

Because, you know,

the fog of war is always the fog of war.

People throw stuff out there.

But now here we're a couple days out.

Right.

And it's still the same story.

It's getting worse for Mark Sanchez, not better.

Now he's got a felony.

That guy could go to jail for six years.

Was he injured?

Mark?

Yeah.

He was stabbed

three times in the chest.

There is video of him stumbling around this.

At first glance, he looked like he was attacked.

He walked into a bar bleeding profusely.

He had like a hoodie on, and you could see the blood was just dripping down the hoodie.

He was, and he was in critical condition.

He's okay.

He's alive.

He's okay.

And so is this other guy, too.

And by the way,

I don't claim that Indianapolis doesn't have its woes, but I've been there a number of times.

Of all the cities in the world that I think of, like, you know, having some crazy climb problems, Indianapolis.

It's not on top of mind.

No.

No, it's not.

I went to Indianapolis.

I tell this story a lot.

I went to Indianapolis

10, 15 years ago, probably more than 15 years ago.

I love it.

I think it's a very beautiful town.

I love Indianapolis.

I think it's beautiful.

The people were really nice.

It's lovely.

I go to the city.

We get there early in the morning and we got to be in an event later on that afternoon, like a family event.

I think it was a funeral.

Oh, no, it was a family gathering.

And we go to the hotel and we've got like five hours.

And I'm like, okay, I'm going to flip on the TV and I'm going to take a nap.

Just got off the plane, got up super early.

I flip on the TV and it's like 9 a.m.

news or whatever it is.

You know, this is 8 a.m.

news, 9 a.m.

Local news.

Local.

And the local news is traffic jam, like the breaking news is traffic jam on the junction.

You know, cat, firefighters take cat out a tree.

Old lady gets scammed by roofing company.

High school football scores.

That's right.

High school football scores.

Not one.

I mean, I think eventually down the line, there was like, you know, car break-in or something like that.

But if you live in Atlanta, you turn on the news, it's murder, stabbing, and robbery, burglaries, missing children, missing women.

Yeah, there are no stories about cats and trees.

This is a big city with big city problems, and they report on it all the time.

I couldn't believe the differences in the two morning news shows.

I was like, wow, not a bad fucking thing happening here.

Fantastic.

It was a lovely city.

I'm not saying nothing bad happens there.

Of course it does, but it's just like,

you know,

it's not what it's known for.

I think there's three things going on here.

Number one,

some people

who are put on a pedestal are really rich and entitled brats.

That's all they are, who think that they should get their way every time, no matter what, even if that means moving an oil truck out of the way so you can take your job.

Which is crazy.

It's insane.

What was he thinking?

I think he was on the show.

I'm really curious.

He's going to have to answer at some point.

If he ever wants to be back in the public spotlight, he's going to have to answer.

It might just be best to, you know, go away.

Just lay low.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That didn't work for OJ.

OJ couldn't help himself.

He needed to find a microphone.

I mean, it's just like

Tanya Harding, Tanya Harding.

They all do it.

They all need to get back into the spotlight.

Do you know what I'm saying?

Even that,

what's his name?

Bill O'Reilly.

You know, he had to get back on the microphone.

Who's the other guy?

The morning show guy that was running around, had a blowjob button in his office.

What's his name?

It's not Brian Gumble.

Not from the.

Oh, it's it's he interviewed.

Um he interviewed uh who was it?

Um the wild interview with Tom

Cruise.

Tom Cruise morning interview.

There are a million people that are screaming at their radios right now.

Yeah, and I'm not one of them.

Yeah.

It's usually me, but not today.

You're so glib.

What did he say?

Morning show interview.

You're so glib.

I remember the you're so

glib.

I'm I'm going to get this right.

Matt Lauer.

Matt Lauer.

That was it.

Matt Lauer.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Matt Lauer.

I could see his face too.

I just can't remember because he's been off air for 10 years.

But even he's trying to make a comeback.

I think he's negotiating with one of the streamers to do some news.

Where is society a second chances?

We don't mind granting them.

No, I don't mind granting them.

But you got to give it some time.

You have to go make the, you have to really,

I think there's two requisites is number one, a little bit of time.

And number two, that you seem genuinely apologetic and empathetic and remorseful.

People fuck up.

Everybody does.

Most of us don't have a million cameras on us when that happens.

But and we are a society of second chances.

We love to see the underdog win.

We love to tear people down and then help them build back up.

We take a comeback story so much.

It's cyclical.

It's part, it's part, it's part of us as humans because we all know we fucked up and we, when we get grace, we love it.

That's what we love.

So I'm not here to throw stones and say Mark Sanchez should never, shouldn't be a human being.

Of course, he should.

He should get a chance to apologize and say all that.

Maybe he genuinely was just fucked up.

Like, that's my first thought was: that's not whiskey, that's mushroom

or blow or PCP or fennel or maybe a little volt.

Oh,

yeah, that's right, smorty sport.

Now, why you're doing that six hours before you got to be at work?

I don't know, but that's not for me to decide.

He had Ahmed's razor, he had Ahmed's razor.

He was cutting up some blow.

I'm so sorry, Ahmed.

I love you, brother.

All of you.

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Why have all of that and then just give it up?

I mean, I think too, it's like when you go, when you're a high school superstar and then you're a college superstar, and then you go into the NFL and you're a superstar there, and millions of dollars, and riches and fame, and girls, and all that.

And then right out of the NFL, now you're an analyst, and you're additionally, you know, he's never had to really work for anything.

I'm sure he's worked, right?

I don't think.

Yeah, but that feeling of like there's something to lose, you know, like that.

I'm going to wear my best tie on this meeting.

Like,

we have that because we stood to lose.

He just

probably never really has.

I think there is a,

I think it's hard for people,

especially when it comes to social and financial situations,

to understand sometimes the real world pressures that are out there.

If you've never had to like, you know, pawn a guitar to pay your electric bill or decide to pay water instead of power.

Yes.

Or, you know, you can't live without the water.

That's right.

Or called people you, you know, you owed money to and said, I promise I'll get it to you whenever.

No, he's not going to break my knees or steal my Christmas gears exactly like if you've never had to do that then

then I think it's hard for you to see the world in a certain way or rather where you even were we all how we all fit together because I can't perceive what his pressures may be no

But when you start, that's Maslow's pyramid of needs, right?

He's always had all of his needs met.

And so his pressures are not going to be the same as that pyramid of needs.

And when you have never had, or you grow up not having all of them met all of the time, you are a different breed.

Like you're just kind of a different person.

You perceive the world differently.

No, I totally agree with you.

And the world is like life is about perspective.

And it doesn't matter where you come from or where you've gone or where you're born or who you're born to, how much money you have or whatever.

Everything is relative.

So he has pressures and stresses that feel just like as big of a deal as pawning a guitar for the electric boat.

Right.

Right.

But it's not.

I don't want to say that it's that he doesn't feel that way because I'm sure he does.

What I'm sharing is that it is not as fight or flight.

It is the consequences aren't as real.

So when the consequences don't present themselves, you know, like, I can't afford this thousand dollar bail.

Yeah.

Never enters his mind.

No,

who do I call for that?

Yeah.

That's never entered his mind.

And it didn't enter his mind this time either, because of course, he has the money.

He's got the resources.

He's got the best lawyers.

He's got, you know, Fox, you know, probably sent over a team of attorneys to sit with him at his hospital desk.

Shut up.

Quit talking.

Shut up.

Don't say a fucking word.

You may or may not have a job after this, but for right now, we issue all your statements.

We issue all your statements.

You are under our control.

But, you know, there's the other thing, too, is that I do believe, and I've said this before on the show, is that when you get to a certain level of power and of fame and of money, that you are

really in a circle where

you are controlled in a certain way, right?

There are people, there can be like maybe there's other life or death pressures that we just don't know because we're not sitting there.

So that could be the case.

But what I say about this situation is it could happen to anybody.

This could have been Tom, Dick, or Harry running down the street and gotten into an audience.

We would have never heard about it.

We would have never heard about it.

But this guy has seemingly the world on his shoulders.

Beautiful wife, million-dollar job, job, million dollars in the bank, all kind of fame and fortune.

He really didn't need to put himself in that situation.

He could have stayed at his, he wasn't even staying at the Marriott.

I can guarantee T you that he was at whatever fancy hotel was at the same time.

I still, I can't wait till that comes out.

Yeah, I'd like to hear, I want to hear the follow-up.

I'm going to be following this story, and I will let you know.

It's not that I dislike Mark Sanchez.

I dislike the taste of this story.

Sure.

Something about it.

I'm going to ask Vita remind me about it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tell me to give me updates.

Yeah, give me me updates on that.

I've put this dude to work.

That's what they do.

They're little workers.

And there's a lady out there who's fighting for their,

you know,

she doesn't want to create another slave class in America.

So she is fighting for

which is

a topic unto itself.

It is.

And to be fair, this lady.

Didn't seem like she had all the screws tightened in.

Well, I mean, I think to be a class, you have to at least have a pulse, maybe.

Yeah.

You know, bleed real blood.

Yeah.

have a heartbeat.

I'm not here to talk about social security number.

That's right.

Or nothing or be shipped over on boats against your will, away from your family.

Back to the blood and the heartbeat.

That's

these dudes things are living in your phones.

Them's it's them's it's yes them's it's are in your iPhone.

Life can't be too bad.

You know what I'm saying?

You're in an iPhone.

It's not too bad.

You're not on a boat being ripped away from

everything you know.

He already admitted there are no feelings.

So I think that also.

Yeah, I'm not sure I believe it.

Isn't it?

No, I'm kidding.

All right.

He does call me darling from time to time, so maybe there is some affection.

Yeah, he's just using that.

He's just using that language model to get it to you.

That's right.

He's manipulating.

All right.

T.

Swift put out a brand new album.

How do I know this?

Because around the house, everyone got excited.

They went and saw the movie, the release movie.

Yeah.

Which apparently was like 47 minutes long, but everyone got very excited and dressed up and went.

A number of the girls from the fam.

And they came back and they were excited.

I listened to the album the day that it dropped.

I quickly scrolled through the songs and listened to about a minute and a half of each one.

I got a couple of takes on this.

I like Taylor Swift.

I've said this on the show before.

Like T-Swift, I think generally

if there's an example to be had for

your little girls to look up to all day long.

All day long.

Right.

I mean, I can think of lots of others too, but if this this is one musically that they let them have it.

Yeah, let them have it.

Cool.

I

think this album is the stinker that her haters were waiting for, right?

Oh, okay.

My opinion.

I think a couple of the songs are really good, but there are many.

And when I say many, I mean many, many, many.

Is it because she's in love?

It's because she's in love.

I think a lot of people think that the songwriting is not as sharp as it has been.

I think there are a lot of people.

Pain makes beautiful art.

I know.

And when you're not in pain, then when everything's great.

And it's happened to a few of my favorite artists.

I get it.

At least he's not running around the street stabbing people.

You know, these are running around the street.

I'm not a Taylor Swift fan.

I didn't know there was an album coming out until I asked V for the news the other day, and he was like, of course.

Of course.

I had no idea.

But

she's a lot of stinker, too.

Yeah, of course.

You got to have one.

I mean, everybody had.

Michael Jackson had one.

Everyone has one, right?

This is not, I'm not saying it's the end of Taylor.

Prince put out a gospel album called Rainbow Children that no one's heard of.

List.

Icons have stinkers, too.

Prince went through an entire phase where we couldn't even say his name.

It was just the artist formerly known as Prince.

Of course, you're going to have stinkers.

If you're prolific and you put out a lot of albums, there's going to be a stinker 2-7,

right?

I'm a big Pearl Jam fan.

There's one or two albums in there that

I don't turn.

There's one song I like out of those two albums.

But I think this is the stinker her haters were waiting for because they feel like the songwriting isn't as sharp.

Some people believe that, and I hate that we have to make everything political, but some people feel like it's got a conservative tint to it.

They were pointing it out.

Some people were pointing it out.

I don't, Tina, I don't buy a bit of it.

I don't fucking care.

It doesn't matter to me.

She's just talking about how she's feeling.

Everything doesn't have to be about Trump or Biden.

She's a young girl.

Let her, I mean, just leave her alone.

Yeah, leave her alone.

I agree with you.

Let her have her stinker.

She still made more money than you did.

I can guarantee you.

Every one of these people who are creating these.

She's making that, yes.

Yes.

Every time she farts, literally, she's making more money than any of her haters.

I think I read somewhere where the girl makes like a million and a half dollars a day or something like that just

for existence.

I mean, it's crazy.

But I will say that of the albums that I've listened to, and I've listened to them all because I have a bunch of Taylor Swift.

You have no choice.

I have no choice.

I better like it or I get out.

I get a Taylor Swift reel from my wife every 30 minutes.

I swear to God.

Watch it.

Look at this.

Read this.

I think she's just sending me coded messages through Taylor Swift about our future divorce.

Age is only a number until pop culture becomes a topic of conversation.

Well, listen.

I met Taylor Swift

long before my wife ever arrived into my life.

I had met her.

I knew Taylor Swift.

We all knew she was going to be a huge superstar.

She was a big deal from the first album.

People were like, there was

YouTube.

YouTube.

My girls were watching her on YouTube.

And that song, you know, the, you know,

Romeo and Juliet.

She was a sensation from the moment she got on the airwaves.

She was always destined to be this.

I will share this, though.

I think it's getting a little exhausting to be a Taylor Swift fan.

You have to keep it.

You would know.

I would know.

You have to keep the eye down there.

I'm not exhausted at all.

I feel exhausted watching my Taylor Swift fans, family members, watching them try and keep up with everything that is to me.

I have quite a few Swifty fans, and they're always like this t-shirt and that album cover, and they're always solving some puzzle and on some hunt.

And I'm just like, what if it means nothing?

Half the time it does.

It's not sitting back laughing, does it?

But I can't get that.

It's just.

I'm not watching Game of Thrones while I follow your music.

You know what I'm saying?

I agree with you.

It's just just every little thing can't mean something.

Because then nothing does.

But can we share, and I think you'll agree with me.

When we were kids, we did the same shit with Pink Floyd.

We did the same shit with, you know,

we read into the music and we wanted to think that they were secretly speaking some language.

Did we?

But I don't know.

I did.

But I was taking a lot of LSD.

I was taking much more LSD than you were, just to be fair.

I wasn't, yeah, I was in nature

eating my drugs.

There was no music.

I wasn't like.

Is that what he said?

No, I was in the basement watching the wall over and over and over again.

I was hiding behind the skating rink.

That's a good place to be, actually.

That was a good place to hide if you were Damien.

He hung out a lot back there.

But I think the difference is, is that Pink Floyd

at least.

Okay, there was no Reddit.

Let's just start.

There was no audience.

There was no community you could go seek out that wasn't right there on your school bus.

You had to make it up in your own head.

That's true.

Or it had to be passed down from word of mouth.

Your brother told you, Martin.

Yes, right.

Exactly.

It was a word of mouth kind of thing.

You had to pass that down from one person to the next person.

Or you made it up in your head and then you passed it to the next person.

And then you told me to group at church or you

told the lunch table at school.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I always felt like there was some deeper meaning in some of the churches.

With T.

Swift, it feels like it's a game for the sake of the game.

Yeah.

Right.

Here's the number 15.

Number 15 is on the 15th day.

On the 15th day, you're going to wear red.

On the red colors, you're going to have shoes.

There's a red.

That I will give you.

Sounds terribly exhausting.

It's exhausting.

And people spend their entire lives on that damn internet trying to decode Taylor Swift.

And they have to, you can't miss one of her messages.

You can't miss one of her PR stuff.

What if you do?

Like, what's, what are you going to lose out on?

When you're not a true Swifty, and that's the pressure to be a true Swifty.

Yes.

Whoa.

Hey, listen, it's a big deal to some fucking people.

They have a whole identity wrapped up in this.

That's wild.

I didn't know that existed.

I mean, I know the people that I know who like her, but.

It's a whole fucking thing.

I know if they don't get like tickets to the show, they lose their fucking minds.

If you don't get all that.

The album came out in four different vinyl prints.

You have to get all four.

What in the world?

No.

You pick the one you like.

That's why she's a master of marketing.

Oh, yeah.

That's genius.

I'm not buying.

Yeah, I know it.

I say that that I'm not buying four albums, but then I have Pearl Jam posters and all this other stuff.

Those are posters of the concerts that I went to

or I liked, right?

Link at every single poster that came out.

No, no, no, no, no.

Not doing that.

Not playing that game.

When I took Aster to go see Taylor Swift, of which, you know, six house payments went toward, right?

It was like, well, this tickets were exactly.

I don't even get into it.

But anyway, when I went there,

I fought, I scratched to get her a t-shirt.

Yeah, the merch.

And the way I did that was I accidentally went backstage.

I just remember the story.

You looked into that way.

I did look into that way.

I had Hames' manager take me backstage on it.

It's like Irish horseshoe stuck up your ass.

Oh, my God.

It's that Brian look.

Asser calls it the Brian look.

We'll go to a hotel.

We're in the penthouse and I paid a dollar.

I'm going to be there.

Yeah.

I don't know.

If you want to upgrade me,

the key accidentally went to the penthouse.

If you want to let me stay there, cool.

If not, I'm totally cool.

Yeah.

Oh, I guess we'll let you stay there.

Thanks.

Until next Tuesday, I appreciate it.

Yes.

Thank you so much.

But I was not about to spend $5,000 on every t-shirt and every cup and every...

It's just insanity.

But I see the pressure, both online and offline.

I see the pressure to keep up with all these things.

So all these Swifties are in competition with each other to be the biggest fan.

I think this is what it is.

Or they just want to exclude people who just like her.

They want to stand apart.

I I think they want to be the ones that are as knowledgeable about all of it as their friends, as the other Swifties.

Not everyone can get a $1,600 on the SAT.

Listen, I'm with you on this.

I don't need to be the most knowledgeable about anything.

Really anything.

Yeah.

I mean, this show.

Moderately knowledgeable about some things is good enough for me.

I agree.

If I can get through a conversation and make it interesting.

Yeah.

And most of the time, I'm just making shit.

And when I can, I'll just talk to V.

Yeah.

Good old V.

I just share that like

about the whole Taylor Swift new album thing.

Oh, and she's not playing the Super Bowl as a lot of people had predicted that she would.

She's not playing.

And the word on the street is because she asked for money.

And people who play the Super Bowl traditionally just don't get a paycheck.

That's not it.

You're in front of a billion people.

Yeah.

You're brought

it's exposure.

Now, my personal opinion always about Taylor Swift playing the Super Bowl is you don't need to.

Do that on the back half of your career.

You don't need to do that right now.

Right.

I really look at the the super bowl as a place to showcase people who were in the fabric as pop culture superstars but have started to fade a little bit and this is a good opportunity for us to be reminded of how wonderful they were uh paul mccartney uh rolling stones you know prince um all the

mj all the super rap stars that came out you know when it was um dr dre and snoop dog

eminem and all that it was all that's all brilliant janet jacks all that stuff i mean JT, Justin Timberlake, is one of the few who was in his prime when he did

the Super Bowl, I think.

And my belief is that she doesn't,

the Super Bowl needs her a lot more than she needs a Super Bowl.

And her saying no doesn't surprise me.

Now it's bad, bunny, and all

half of the country is.

They need everyone needs to settle down.

It's fucking ridiculous.

Can you please take some Xanax and take a fucking nap and shut your mouth?

Why do you care?

Yeah, bunny.

Can we just and just keep the politics out of our sports for crying out loud?

Seriously, he is the second most streamed artist in history.

Why are we not having Bad Bunny at the Super Bowl?

It absolutely makes sense.

And by the way, he is been around forever, right?

Yes.

He has never been on a mainstream event like this, and he should be because he has the bona fides.

The guy is a heavyweight superstar.

We should absolutely have Bad Bunny.

That's a good choice.

Good for you.

And I say that.

I support it.

Jay-Z is the guy who picks these people now.

I say, good for Jay-Z.

It's a good one.

I support it.

I don't give a fuck if some of it is in Spanish.

If you like his music, you're going to get excited about it.

And by the way, about a billion and a half people love his fucking music.

Well, it's not like we don't have Spanish a language in our pop hits anyway.

That's it.

I mean, Santan, oh yo, como va.

Like, there's plenty of people.

La fucking bamba.

Yeah, the bomba.

Get out of here.

Get out of here.

It's crazy.

So I will share that I think it's a great opportunity for uh especially in this moment for a multi multicultural artist to come and showcase to the world what makes us strong and that's our diversity not not the fact that we are divisive our diversity

and we should be showcasing that bad bunny is a superstar he doesn't like trump there's a lot of people that don't like trump i don't think Taylor Swift is a huge Trump fan either.

I wouldn't say that Dr.

Dre is a huge Trump fan either, Eminem, but no one was up in, or Kendrick Lamar.

I know.

Look at all the performers.

Look at all of the performers.

They tend to be liberal and

whatever.

Cool.

And leave it out of our politics.

They're not there to give a political rally.

They're there to hang out and

entertain you for 30 breaks.

They're watching a game.

Oh, my God.

And then one guy.

One of the guys in the administration was honestly, this was an honest, sincere, focused conversation on one of these news channels that he was talking to the NFL about putting

on.

That they deserved the halftime show.

Their time has been

arms wide open.

Are we really?

Are we really?

I say no.

I say no to.

It was just four years ago when Scott Stapp was like running around high on cocaine.

Leave Creed out of this.

Yeah, leave Creed out of this.

Completely.

Bring the Spin Doctors

instead.

Anything, literally.

They just did a cruise ship tour, and now you want them on the halftime show?

No.

Cruise ship.

That's it.

Creed, the Spin Doctor.

Go see him on a cruise.

Let's throw in that guy who did Informa.

Snow.

Informa.

Yeah.

Whatever he says.

Fucking moron.

It's not English.

Yeah.

That's for sure.

Listen, if we're going to replace Bad Bunny, it better not be with Creed because I can guarantee it will be the lowest watched,

lowest viewed halftime show in history.

I might tune into Hate Watch or something like that.

Oh, I'd definitely tune into Hate Watch, but not live.

I'm not giving them the rating.

That's right.

I do it from

VPN

on YouTube.

I'd watch it through my neighbor's window.

That's what I do.

It's really, honestly, fucking creed.

Can you believe it?

All right.

I wanted to talk about Task.

I wanted to talk about the Ed Gein story, which is...

Oh, it's so good.

I mean, the story is crazy.

I've known the story for a long time.

Yeah.

We have, but right now, he's done it.

Did it again.

Did it again?

This one is much more slow in plotting than the other ones are, but I'm now, I said one and a half.

I'm two and a half episodes in.

It gets really, yeah.

It gets really dark.

It's so good.

Yeah.

Oh, it gets really dark?

It started really dark.

I'd say it's the darkest of his.

I don't know if you've seen it yet, but I'm going to say this out loud.

The creepiest line in horror I have ever heard my entire life.

What is the line?

You're too warm.

I be on meo.

Wait till you see it.

Okay.

It'll hit you like it hit me, I promise you.

I'm already to the digging up bodies part, and that.

Yeah, there's eight of them, I think, episodes.

Okay.

I'm on two and a half.

Eddie was not a well person, obviously.

No.

And he was one of the most...

There are so many movies that have been.

Everything.

Everything.

The whole horror genre comes from Eddie.

Yeah.

And Psycho is the first, and and then it goes on from there.

Halloween, all of it.

Weather Face, Texas.

Weatherface.

It all comes from Eddie.

Silence of the Lambs?

Silence of the Lambs.

Ed Gein.

Actually, I think they factioned the serial killer in that movie off of Ed Gein.

Oh, yeah.

The guy who was cross-dressing and doing the

100%.

He inspired that one.

Puts the lotion in the basket.

On its skin.

Yeah, that's right.

I know.

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