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And the reasons are varied.

Not only do I like EDN, Escuela De Nada, the podcast he is a part of, but Nacho and EDN live large in the hearts and minds of many of the Venezuelans that circle my universe.

So this gives me a true opportunity to be kind of a rock star with people who may not normally tune in to the commercial break.

But my reason for popping on ahead of time is twofold.

Number one, to tell you this is a really long episode of the commercial break, but I think you're going to enjoy this conversation.

And you'll notice that Chrissy is not a part of that conversation.

The only reason why is the scheduling conflict.

So while you may not hear her, she's here in spirit.

But number two, last week I announced I'd be doing a separate podcast called After the Break.

Nothing is happening to the commercial break.

This continues to be my baby.

And sitting with Chrissy four times a week and doing this show is the true highlight of my life outside of my children and being married to Astrid.

I'd like to take the opportunity to play that trailer for After the Break right now before the show starts.

And then you'll have an opportunity after this episode to go take a listen.

You can find it anywhere you download your podcasts, wherever you're listening to this this show right now, search for After the Break.

And you can put in my name, Brian Green, if you want to.

Okay, without further delay, my trailer for ATB and then my conversation with Nacho Redundo.

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It's a miracle.

It's not even far away from the concept of a miracle.

It literally is.

Like we were at the precise moment and the precise, we said the precise words to make people come into our ship.

And that's, I'm so grateful for that.

It's just, it makes me so, so,

yeah, it makes me so happy just being able to do that.

And

then I built the traumas to like the trauma ship and also a lot of people come in from every single country in the world, not only Venezuelans.

And it's become such a such a blessing.

It's weird to say it because I don't take it that seriously, like I said, but it just,

it feels weird.

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Welcome back to the commercial break.

I'm Brian Green.

I'm here by myself to interview someone very special, someone near and dear to the hearts, the Venezuelan hearts and minds here at the Green household.

His name is Nacho Redondo.

Some call him Nacho Red.

He is part one-third of an extremely popular podcast called Escuela de Nada, or also affectionately referred to as EDN.

They have sold out theaters.

They have been all around the world.

They have reached the highest heights of podcast success.

And

we have been listening to them here at the household for a long time because, of course, my wife is is Venezuelan.

My brother-in-law Gutavo, who you know from the show, is Venezuelan.

And this is a podcast who has really struck a chord with those in the Venezuelan community, really around the world.

But, you know, they're Venezuelan, living in Mexico City, recording out of Mexico City.

The show is the podcast.

But they have reached these Venezuelans who have been displaced all throughout the world and have become fabulously successful.

And I've been hearing about it, and I've been listening to it, and I've been enjoying with my family members, with my Venezuelan friends, this show for the last six, seven, maybe eight years.

They've been around a lot longer, I say a lot longer, longer than the commercial break.

Has we've even written into them as the commercial break, saying, hey, we like you guys, and just wanted to let you know that we're rooting for your success.

EDN

has a close connection, like I said, to the family and my Venezuelan friends.

But Nacho himself is a successful stand-up comedian

Successful Venezuelan stand-up comedian who's currently touring with a show called Tramádicos or Traumas.

It's in Spanish, mostly in Spanish.

I think he does do a little bit of English here and there, but it's mostly in Spanish.

So if you are bilingual or if you are one of our Venezuelan listeners or one of our bilingual listeners, you can get tickets.

I'll put a link in the show notes.

NachoRed.com is where you would go.

He's also got a couple specials on his YouTube channel.

And then, of course, the podcast, which you can listen to and is, uh, publishes frequently just like we do.

I don't think they publish four days a week, but I think they publish a couple days a week under the name EDN or Escuela Denata.

Here's why this

interview is very,

I say important to me, but I'm so glad that we finally made this happen.

It's because when you hear someone that you respect and love talking with such respect, love, and reverence about someone else or another podcast.

You take note.

You say, what are they doing?

You know, what is what's going on with them that's making their show successful?

And how are they connecting with their listeners?

And if you understand Spanish and you listen to the show, then you know that not only are they really fucking hilarious, they really are, but they have a special interaction between the three of them that moves through the speakers into your ears.

And then you say, yeah, that's why they're good.

It's because they have that magic, like where time and space just come together and it meets the moment and there they are.

This,

I don't know, like almost, it's miraculous that they have this incredible show that's really, it's moved into a space in and of itself.

EDN is its own thing.

It's greater than the sum of its parts, so to speak.

But one of its parts is here today.

Nacho Redundo.

So we're going to have a conversation with him.

We're going to talk to him all about it.

We're going to talk to him about his stand-up special.

We're going to talk to him about EDN.

And then we'll talk to him about Venezuela, too.

He's married to also another, like a fabulously successful Mexican actress who's very popular down in Mexico.

Like I said, they all live down in Mexico City.

They're out of Venezuela.

I'd like to ask him about if there's plans to return to Venezuela, because a lot of my friends who know this interview is happening and they're Venezuelan have asked me, do you think they're going to have that big homecoming show?

So we'll ask him all about that.

Stick with me for this conversation.

I think it's going to be a good one.

Regardless if you know who EDN is or you know who Nacho Red is, I think this is going to to be a good conversation one uh mediocre comedy podcaster to another me and nacho red just shooting the shit and for those of you that might be concerned don't be worried that chrissy's not here chrissy is out for menfo and this is the time when nacho could be here so rather than pass up the opportunity to have a conversation with him i decided i will do it and you know Let's be honest, if there's going to be a Venezuelan that's going to interview another Venezuelan, let it be this Irish Venezuelan.

Right?

Am I right?

Okay, let's take a break.

And then through the magic of telepodcasting, I'm going to have Nacho Redundo right here in the room with me on that television screen.

And we'll chop it up, him and I together.

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And welcome back to the Commercial Break, the favorite podcast of Nacho Redondo.

Nacho, hello, hola.

It actually is from today.

For this,

since today?

It's going to be.

It's from fun.

Now that I'm here?

Yeah, of course.

How you doing, bro?

I'm good, brother.

So let me fill my audience in.

For those who may not know, Nacho Redondo, one-third of the very popular podcast, Idien Escuela de Nada.

Of course, anybody who listens to the show knows I'm married to a Venezuelan.

This is a phenomenally successful podcast in Venezuela.

But Nacho is also a stand-up comedian currently touring with his show that translates traumas in English or Tramáticos.

And so,

Nacho, let me share with you some of my trauma.

Here you go, ready?

Here's my biggest trauma in life.

I'm married to a Venezuelan.

Yeah.

I didn't

hit.

I mean, I knew that from second one, that was your trauma.

And also your blessing, because that's the way it works uh i think so totally yeah i feel that's very risky from you it's very risky i know i took well listen i like to live life on the edge if i'm not stressed out then i don't feel like i'm i'm operating at my highest level that's the curse of add i don't know if you have that too but oh i do for me yeah i do So this this new tour that you have, and I want to I want to very interested in this concept.

And I know there are other people, comedians and performance artists who have have gone on stage and they use trauma as the linchpin for their show, but it's usually them mainly dumping their trauma as a joke or as a performance.

You

engage the audience in this.

You ask them to say, hey, tell me about your traumas.

Tell me, what is the wildest thing that you have heard out on the road?

And you can share it here because we're.

Yeah, yeah.

So go ahead.

I will, I will, I will.

And I'm not, actually, it's, it's, it's very healthy to share this kind of story because it is what the, what the show is about.

Sharing and integrating the trauma into your current life and understanding that it doesn't define who you are.

But, but, but, but actually, it makes you, it makes you even

more connected to who you are.

Um,

agreed.

Actually, the show is about me, but the thing is that I haven't shared in my in my social media accounts or whatever the part of the show where I talk about me because that's the special that's the that's gonna that's what's gonna be the my because people think that I only get on stage and like hey tell me your trauma and that's it no it's a very well structured show it has three parts and every part has a

trauma that's that's in my life in my life a trauma a trauma for me a trauma my trauma in that specific area it starts with the family trauma that starts with the like the like the funny trauma like the weird ones like i saw a dead body whatever

and at the end are the the oh yeah and at the end oh you're you're gonna you're gonna like this one and at the end it's it's the the the relationship trauma so every every aspect of the show has my own trauma introducing to however this concept of a trauma

means so people can also

if i do it people tend to feel a lot safer.

And it's, it's my, it's my responsibility.

They open up, they feel like they can relate.

It opens them up on some level.

Yeah, absolutely.

So, one of the wildest traumas I've heard, and I, and I, I kid you not, I've heard

the shows have been so they're so rich in like emotional stuff that people tend to cry and people

they go up and and hug each other.

And it's very, it's a very therap, like therapeutic way approach to to mental health awareness yeah uh because everyone's sharing so it's so like the worst horrible stories that you can imagine and and and we have the license to not make fun of because that's a very very hard difference but to laugh about it that it's not it's not like making fun of or bullying or making making it shameful because people tend to feel that the show could go that route, which is not even close.

It's obviously the complete opposite.

Actually, I've been in a couple situations where maybe someone shares an abuse story, a rape story, which is horrible.

And I can't find the joke and I'm very open about it.

Like, I'm not going to joke about this.

And

the person with the trauma is like, no, no, no, no.

You have to.

I give you permission.

You have to do it.

Yeah, that's.

That happened a couple weeks ago in LA.

Some amazing girl was telling me about an abuse story when she was five years old.

It's a horrible story, okay?

And I'm like, I'm like, dude, that's horrible.

We love you.

And she's like, no, no, no.

We have to find a joke.

And there's somewhere.

It turned out to be very funny.

Not the trauma, but

the situation.

Yeah, but for example, you asked me about the ones that I have like more engraved in my mind.

Yeah

one guy

this one's in the funny

category, but it's not the the worst one.

Okay, this one is a is a kid Venezuelan kid

this show was in Porto Portugal.

Okay, so

kids an Amazon delivery guy.

Okay, okay, so he he turns up he he he manages to deliver something and he's being himself and like shit I have to go to to a bathroom.

And he goes to a street and behind a dumpster, he starts, you know, pissing there.

Yeah, and

he looks at a carry-on that's there, a little luggage carry-on.

And he's like, shit, this is amazing.

I'm taking this.

So my house is

new.

It looks great.

And when he grabs it, it's like a little heavy.

And I was like, what the fuck?

And he opens it.

And

there's a chopped up person inside.

Like

arms and shit.

And the guy was like, what the fuck's happening here?

And he called the police and he even showed me the news article about the local news article.

And he's like talking to the police.

And yeah, he found a body inside a

piece of luggage.

That's insane.

That is crazy.

That's insane.

That's crazy.

I have to imagine, like, I like what you said about this, is that some people, they come to the show, they demand, almost demand, that this be something.

I need a healing moment from this.

I need to find a way for my body to react in a way that is not so traumatic.

Because we all have PTSD about something.

Something traumatized us at some point.

And like you, I'm a big proponent of therapy and have been going for many years, right?

Yeah.

And, but still, sometimes our own bodies don't allow us the,

I guess, the relief that we need when we get into moments where we're experiencing this or reliving this.

And so they come to your show and they say, I need to react a different way to this.

And I think comedy in that way, in so many ways, is a place where you can be dark, where you can take the most taboo of subjects, where you can take the most fucked up shit and turn it around into something that we relive in a way that becomes maybe not pleasant, but we have a different experience with that trauma.

We play with it in a different way.

Yeah, and people are desperate

to do a talk, to just talk to someone.

And they, maybe

they're scared of therapy or even because therapy is very expensive.

Maybe you don't have the money.

And that conversation starts that

need to go to see a professional.

And I always say it, always.

Have you talked to a professional about this?

Most of the time are like, yeah, maybe, well, once or whatever.

And it's like, no, no, no, you have to go after we talk here.

And that's great.

but you have to go to a professional.

Yeah.

The guy from EDN is not your therapist.

You need to go see someone about this dead body.

Very far from it.

I wonder if you take any of this stuff home with you.

Like, do you onboard this, some of this trauma, like emotionally?

Do you go home at night and you're like, holy shit, what did I just hear?

Like, I just, I was in a room full of people and I heard three terrible stories.

And I'm not like the energetically, you're feeling a little off.

Oh, yeah.

Well, this show, this is a very

responsible, irresponsible show to do.

Yeah.

Because uh i was i i i well i talked a lot with my therapist and my my

stepfather is a psychiatrist so it's a very well designed show with the

well i mean well i had to be very very careful with everyone that talks to me i have to be able to feel if this is a door that it's closed and we can talk about it or or if this is a very open door and i'm bringing the trauma back into the person's life

so I I managed to design this with my psychologist my therapist and she she she was able to let me understand the signals that make me understand if I had to dig deeper or just step back in the most elegant way so this person doesn't get home again reliving this horrible event.

Wow, man.

So

really well thought out.

Yeah, because

it's not like we do it and it's funny and that's it.

And most of the stories, because I know how to,

I've been in therapy for 30 years.

And all of

my

family members are psychologists or psychiatrists.

So it's very, very engraved in our DNA, in our home DNA.

all the mental health issues

even the my my my my stepfather he he always tells me like you should have been a psychologist and i hate you for being a comedian because and i and i'm and i i sent him i i just did a show in in tech a couple shows in texas and i sent him uh

uh a girl that the punch in the face at her father's funeral

she punched in the face and kicked out of the funeral uh

her father's mistress okay

very venezuelan whoa even very Venezuelan yes and and I and she was like very mad and whatever and I and I asked her like why is she more guilty of this than your father and she didn't even like thought about it like why

yeah why aren't you mad at your dad and why are you mad to her and even with that i told her i was like talking to her like first of all is he was he a good dad to you she was like yes that's the only thing you you have to be worried about the the the relationship aspect of her of her parents and how they treat each other that's not our of our business but it's very different difficult especially for latinos yeah to disconnect that yeah and and i'm like if he's a good father to you

you're you're well served that that's it you're you that's what your father is supposed to be with you that's your your your next that your nexus to him is that you you don't have to worry about if she if he's unfaithful to your mom or whatever that's not your problem and you shouldn't be it like there you shouldn't be you shouldn't be hitting anyone but your mistress your father's mistress

further that's that's amazing you should have been a therapist

i know a therapist i know and i said that to my to my um to my therapist and to my to my to my stepfather and that well my father not stepfather my father and and and they were like dude it's never like please go to college, please.

And I'm like, no, I have a great life being a comedian and an irresponsible therapist.

But

answering your question, I do therapy weekly and talk about a lot of the things that I'm that I get charged with.

And I sort of, and it's very, it's a very

it's a lot of the things we already know happens in the world, but it's very difficult to put a face on the specific sufferings of abuse of alcoholism of you know all the things that yeah, that you know that the world is made of

but like seeing it to to the fate through the through people to real people it's different to read it or to someone oh someone tells you the story or whatever but to just

understand

it from a point of view directly from the person who's a victim of that,

it really saddens you in a way that's very specific.

And

it's very humanizing also.

You start to be more empathetic with everything that happens on your surroundings.

Like you start listening a lot and

seeing further.

into people's lives and understanding certain behaviors and you know you you become a little more aware of like how horrible and beautiful the world is at the same time well i think you become aware i've said this for a long time that i think that the screens that are in our hands the way that we can the way that we absorb a lot of our media this in these days it it dehumanizes us or it desensitizes us yes to the atrocities when we see it on tv running in a loop 24 hours a day on the screen we get desensitized to the fact that you know there are these are atrocities there are human beings that are behind these things.

Yes.

That, you know, it's, it might be a one-minute clip on a news story and you go, oh, that's terrible.

But then there are people who live this for the rest of their lives.

They have to absorb, they have to find a way to navigate through their own emotional bullshit for the rest of their lives.

And we see it as a one-minute thing.

When you go in there and you see, I imagine, when you see these people stand up and they're crying or they're dumping or they're, you know, you seeing it come to life and you're seeing that's a person there that's been dealing with them this all their life and they have a long way to go to get any kind of closure to this.

I'm sure that it does like wake you up a little bit, and then you become more keenly aware.

I always think about this.

I don't know if you're like this, but I go to like Starbucks and I'm standing in front of somebody who seems a little fussy or pissy or whatever.

And I always, my mind always starts to put a story to why that person might be acting that way.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, they're having a bad day.

Like,

you rewind

the steps to get to the Starbucks.

Yes.

Yeah, I do.

I don't know why, but I do that as well.

It helps me give empathy to the person in front of me who's acting like an asshole, right?

I say, well, you know, and then sometimes there's just assholes.

Sometimes I'm the asshole too.

No, and that's the tricky thing is that I can empathize with you, but if you're not open with me,

it doesn't justify you being an asshole.

Oh,

it's like, it's like, okay, you're an asshole because you're, I don't know, you fought with your wife or whatever.

That's, that's understandable, but not really.

So, because the people that were there, we don't know you.

So, you have to shut the fuck up and take your mocha latte blah blah blah blah to your fucking house and shut the fuck up.

You know?

That lady gets paid $13.50 an hour to make your bullshit, just shut up and move on.

To make a coffee that has like five lines of words.

So you should, she should be mad at you

and your wife.

Yeah, you're a pumpkin spice bullshit latte.

Let me ask you a question.

Do you ever feel

a weird.

I wonder if some people in the audience who make this connection with you, you know, they're big, I imagine a lot of them are big fans of EDN.

They've been listening to you for a long time.

We all know that when you get, you know, when people start listening to you, sometimes there's idolization, and that doesn't happen with everybody, but sometimes.

And they walk into the room and now they're really connecting with you, like they're making a super connection with you.

I wonder if anybody ever crosses the line.

Do you ever get nervous that people are going to want to take that outside of the room and go, oh, well, I just, you know, I connected with Nacho on this level.

So now I'm, I'm, you know, now he's my friend.

Now we get to talk.

Now we get that.

Like, do they take it over the line?

I mean, yes and no.

The

cool thing about the trauma show

is that

it has brought me such a wider audience that the podcast has so i really drew a line between the podcast uh audience and my stand-up audience uh even though

even though the the my stand-up audience has been always there even

behind edn before the edn yeah yeah i i was when edn started i already had like six years in stand-up so um it it but this time around with this show

um

because of my podcast persona it's a little

like

goofier, and maybe

I'm more into the conversation between friends, and I'm a little more like relaxed and whatever.

And I'm and in the in the dramas scenario, I'm a little more tense but also loose because I'm it's I understand the language and whatever, but I'm also a little aware that something hard is gonna come through the stage.

So people,

I've always had this, people had this image of me because I'm such a

emotionally responsible person

and very very aware of the limits I present to people, even my closest people, like, hey, you don't cross this line.

And people are very intimidated by that part of my personality.

So I usually don't get that.

that people are very respectful of who I am.

They come through me and

most of the people are very, very nice and very educated.

And also, I have a lot of limits in my social media.

For example, you can write me a direct message.

That's closed in my social media.

So

you only can write me a DM if you, if, before I put this, this, yeah, this limit in my settings,

before that, you, you, you spoke to me.

I can get a message, but I'm very easy on blocking people or or like

putting like very I'm very blunt on that.

Like, hey, we're not friends.

Take it easy.

Remember, I'm a mat.

I'm your imaginary internet friend.

So, treat me as a stranger because I am.

That's a very common, and people tend to like wake up.

Oh, I'm so sorry.

And I'm like, don't worry.

I understand that we have like this like parasocial relationship where you hear my voice almost daily and you think we're close and i get it it's part of the job i'm not i'm not uh

it's not bad i don't i don't feel like it but like like it's bad for us but i've seen it with my with my partners for example with chris for example there people tend to because chris is like the most funnier guy and he's like more but he's he he's a little more approachable in like the bullying thing and people tend to get to him like and i i'm usually there chris can can say this about about

maybe someone comes in and like hey what's up you little idiot or whatever and i'm like hey hey do you understand that we're not we do do you you guys don't know each other are you friends and and the guy's like oh yeah yeah i'm sorry don't worry don't worry i get it but be respectful you guys don't know each other You guys are not friends.

Respect for the way that you handle this, Nacho.

I have a lot of respect

because we get it too.

You know, we have a phone line and people can text us, and 90% of the time, one of us will respond.

Because I feel that's my responsibility to the audience: not to just have some silly, you know, autoresponder going out.

And I understand, like, if you have millions and kabillions of people that are texting you, maybe you can't respond, but we're still at, we still can figure out a way and a time.

But sometimes people take it too far and they are, and it doesn't feel

commiserate with the relationship that we have.

It's like, hold on one second.

I'm a podcaster.

I talk on this microphone with my best friend and we have these conversations that are going on.

And that doesn't mean that you and I are best friends yet.

Right.

So I don't, so you need to just be respectful of that.

And so, and it's a deep.

And it doesn't leave the door closed.

I mean, I have a lot of.

persons that I know that are actually very good friends of mine today that started being a fan.

Like they just managed to be very nice to me and we had a lot of cool things in common and then it's like okay hey uh i'm in your town come to the show i'll invite you and let's have a coffee and yeah just you know and that and that becomes you know what the the thing is that

when when a comedian in particular i'm not gonna say other types of artists when a comedian really bites on the fame cookie That's weird.

Because the nature of our job is to be a cynic.

And if you take yourself that seriously, where you think that you're a star or whatever, you're an idiot.

For me.

And you know what's weird is that I've been around multi-millionaire fame, like 15,000 to 20,000 sitter show comedians.

Me too.

And those guys are the best.

Like the most humble, the most down-to-earth guys, at least the ones that I've known but the ones that are struggling are the more asshole which is insane it's totally insane it's ridiculous I think that comes with like you you're six years before EDN now six years seven years with EDN phenomenal success you

You move through that and then you start to understand that you can understand how someone can bite on the fame cookie, but you have decided that's not for me.

That bullshit is not for for me.

But I agree with you.

I won't say the name, but I just had a guy on the show, and we've interviewed hundreds of people, comedians, most of them.

I just had a guy on the show that has reached pretty much the pinnacle.

Television show, movies, selling out arenas, right?

The guy could not have been more humble, more nice, stayed afterwards, said, come to my show, whatever, backstage, whatever.

I don't care.

It doesn't matter.

All that stuff.

Come see me.

Let's have, you know, whatever.

He was the nicest guy.

And it was the opposite of what I had expected.

I expected that maybe a little bit of Prima Donna because of the success that he has had.

And but he didn't bite on the fame cookie.

And I appreciate that.

Convert,

like you said, we've had people on the show who are not everyday, like named comics.

They're popular, but not everybody knows them.

And they come on and they have an attitude.

And it's like, oh, okay.

It's very weird.

And I get also, I understand that, for for example, if you're going up and you're getting a certain amount of attention,

you start putting up shields and walls.

That's because most people want to take advantage of you in some sort of way.

I understand that.

But if you're

remotely smart, you understand that very quickly on who's in that lane.

Who's gonna...

try that who's gonna try to be nice and just and and and comedians that take themselves too seriously are dangers because we're just i i don't want to diminish the the things that we do because i live and and breathe comedy yeah and i understand it as a big part of like especially now especially now that i don't know especially now especially now and i under but this the history and the contemporary like

world

weather if you want to yeah political ambience, political climate, yeah, has put us, the comedians, in a weird space and in a weird place where we are almost like the last word on political issues or whatever.

And it's like, no,

that shouldn't be happening at all.

Yeah.

But it happened and I get it because reality has been, has become so absurd that the guys who have the observational power to speak to things or about things are the ones who at who have the last word without even thinking the for the possibility for us to be wrong which is what it's happening a lot i i i i do not with politics anymore Because well, we can talk about it.

I can't talk about it.

But Venezuelan politics are very specific, so I don't care.

But I've seen it in like a U.S.

politics

landscape.

the one type of comedian and the other type of comedian and it's like and I the the the cool thing about it and I have no opinion on I understand every side of it like for real and I get it and I don't think anyone means bad or harm to the other

But what I'm seeing right now is a lot of comedians say, oh, I fucked up.

And that's great.

Because that's what's supposed to happen when someone talks and they say, oh, I I think I messed up.

And that's great.

It doesn't define

anyone.

But now everyone's like, oh my God, you fucked up.

And I'm like, you listen to me?

Yes, you changed.

You changed your fucking mind?

Yeah, I changed my fucking mind.

I'm a human being.

I realize

you're doing the right thing.

I said this to someone the other day.

I said, it doesn't matter why they're saying I fucked up.

They're admitting it.

They're being honest.

That's right.

And that's all you can ask of them.

They're fucking comedians.

That's what they're doing.

They made a call.

It was the wrong call, in their opinion.

Now it's the wrong call.

And dude, the reason why you understand both sides of it is uniquely, and I've also said this on the show: you're Venezuelan, and Venezuelan politics is very specific.

And that history is very specific.

And, you know, I kind of know your history, Adam.

We don't need to get into it here, but it's Venezuelans understand

what's going on, the political climate right now, I think, better than most.

And so they are.

It depends.

I think so.

I mean, it depends on which Venezuelan you're talking to.

Where do they live?

Florida?

Yeah.

Do they live in the country or do they live somewhere else?

I mean, I understand that, for example, this is for the people that like politics and whatever, but what you're saying is very true.

But at the same time,

because what we lived was so extreme that the answer to whatever you're feeling is the complete opposite.

And that that does that's not necessary

not that's necessary what's happening in real life to be in the exact opposite of things of what you live.

But I understand that you're there because it was so extreme and so hurtful that I will imagine it's for it's like me.

I had

an alcoholic stepfather.

So I

do reject alcohol a lot.

You don't fuck with alcohol.

Yeah.

I don't fuck with.

I can drink a beer.

That's the difference.

I think the example went better than I thought.

I can drink a beer.

I can drink a glass of wine.

But being drunk, for me, it's like not, it's not

seeing drunk people.

I kind of reject that.

So,

but I can enjoy a beer and I can have a drink with you.

And I don't fuck with hard liquor, but in that sense, it's like I have all

the reasons to not fuck with alcohol at all.

But I do go there, but I'm kind of here

where I can have a beer.

That's the problem with most Latinos,

especially Cubans and Venezuelans that have experienced these dictatorships and hunger and shit.

That's very serious.

And you go to the States and you say, oh, the answer is the complete opposite.

The answer is conservatism because he came in through the liberal door, right?

And it's like, it's like you can go and

make a cool

mix of things and be happy about it.

Yes, my father-in-law, who is Venezuelan, and living in Venezuela, says it doesn't matter which door they come in, they end up in the same place, right?

And so.

Extremes on both sides end up in the same place.

And I think that's, you know, I think that's a good way to measure it.

And I understand what you're saying, and I agree with you.

I have a question to ask you because I think you are a fan of comedy, like a historian of comedy.

I think you take, you understand comedy in a way that I also

look at comedy through that lens, like the history of comedy and the way that it's kind of navigated

woven in and out of history, really.

It's kind of helped build history in a lot of ways.

What was the first thing you found funny?

I'd like to ask this question to some comedians.

What is the first thing you ever remember finding funny?

Like in your brain, when you think of funny, that first memory.

What was it?

Jesus.

Well, I'm a big movie fan as well.

Well, it's one of my passions, like movies and cinema in general.

So as a fan of movies, and that's the my

in my generation, I'm almost 40.

So my generation was like renting movies, right?

Yeah, that's what I was like.

Me too.

So

the first two

people,

the first two people that make me understand comedy the way that I like it for me was Jim Carrey and Leslie Nielsen.

Both of them.

Like the Naked Gun movies.

There's nothing like it.

And Jim Carrey at the golden time where that couple years where he released Ace Ventura, the mask, Dumb and Dumber, Liar, Liar, like that.

like an amount of crazy amazing movies that make Jim Carrey who he is

especially for the ones who were abroad and like the international fame that that got him for me was Jim Carrey and Leslie because I rented those movies like I was sick it was a sickness

I already the the guy at the rental already knew me so he always I know I was getting something new and I'm always getting Ace Ventura or the or Naked Gone or any Mel Brooks movie that had Leslie on it like the one that where he's Dracula or even the the Robin Hood one where Chappelle is also

that those those movies like really shaped the way that uh that I was that my comedy and the way I perceive comedy in the world that was my that if you if you ask me the first thing that made me laugh for sure was that for sure those those Leslie Nielsen movies especially the naked gun ones And I mean, you can go all the way back to Airplane and some of the other movies too, right?

But those Leslie Nielsen movies, he was a very serious actor.

He was never a

comedic actor.

He had no training.

No one ever thought of him as a comedian.

And he played the deadpan role, the deadpan comedian role, better than,

in my opinion, than any other actor-actress in history.

There's no equal.

There's no equal.

There is nothing funnier than, in my opinion, as far as slapstick slapstick quick comedy is concerned, than those naked gun movies.

They are fucking hilarious.

I watched them religiously over and over and over again until I had the jokes timed.

I mean, that was the way that it was.

Do you

who are your favorite comedians that you're following today?

Like, let's bring it present.

Who are some of the comedians that you enjoy watching that you think are doing good work?

Well,

there's a lot, it depends on the style.

I'm usually changing that list because I I don't even have like a big um

fixation on having a favorite comedian and until I see them live and yeah, that that for me is like very because I understand that all it doesn't translate uh into video sometimes the show of your experience.

I'm gonna tell you a quick like very recent example.

Please.

Um, I admire all the the

preparation and hard work Matt Rifes doing right now into his comedy, right?

But I didn't,

I'm not going to say, and this is, I hate when comedians do this, but hopefully

if for whatever reason he sees this, I want him to understand I'm a big fan.

But I didn't love his special in Netflix, and I'm like, that's great because he's so young.

And I'm like, Jesus, this guy is amazing.

And his crowd work is just exceptional.

Like, best in the game.

No, no questions asked.

I have to admit, but I

just saw him in Austin.

I went to his taping.

I think he was doing a taping there.

And

the writing comedy got amazing.

Like, I'm telling you, this guy is one of the best comedians I've ever seen in life.

And not only his crowd work part, like, his joke thing.

It just evolved ridiculously.

He's such a great comedian.

And

my stomach was hurting on his writing.

And that's great.

That's what I want to see.

I'm always rooting for comedians.

I don't want them to be bad.

I'm always in the...

And I understand that even if that Netflix special wasn't for me, which I'm not going to say is bad because he got it and he deserves it.

And he's great.

And he has, but he was very, maybe too young for me.

And I didn't get the jokes or whatever.

But this time around, dude, whatever he's releasing I'm gonna I'm telling you that's gonna be a legendary special because the jokes are amazing but in if you want to go back and like which ones are my my go-to comedians like my favorite ones in in the world I have to say even though it's a complete opposite of my style

Anthony Jessin Lake is basically the best pen in in in the world it's the best writer joke writer in the world for me one of the funniest yeah he's there's just no one like him.

I have to say that Louis and Chappelle are basically the ones that I'm I follow the most.

And especially

Louis.

I have to say, Louis is,

it's, I think he's the American comedian.

No, no other like him.

And I'm obviously, you know, okay, you can all of this.

But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You go way back.

Yeah, yeah.

But for me, for me,

those two guys are just

and obviously burr.

i i mean the like the the og comedians like the ones that are always angry are the ones that make me laugh

uh i can't i can relate i i mean i'm i'm even though i'm not i have more control of my emotions than most of the people

i feel like i'm i feel like i'm funniest i feel like it's coming out of me funniest when there's a bit of spice when it's anger so i get the burrs and i get the carlins and i understand that line that lineage of humor because there's something about getting charged up that just like you,

the wheels are off the track and you just kind of go with it.

And I know you know this too.

It's like when I'm here and there's a good riff and

we're really going,

it's mindless.

There's no thinking about it.

It's just coming out of you, right?

And something about...

Yeah, go ahead.

Yeah, yeah, go ahead.

Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

Well, here's what I wanted to say about Chappelle, is that what's really interesting about Chappelle to me, and I don't know if you'll agree with this, is that Chappelle has become not only a great comedian, but a great orator.

He is a commentarian, an observationalist, like no other I've ever seen, including Carlin.

He's like up there with Carlin.

Those two make observations about the world around us, and they have a way to present it that is unique, at sometimes funny, but most definitely poignant.

That's the thing, it's pointed.

I met Chappelle at a show that he did,

a very small show in Atlanta, 200 people, something like that.

And I was there.

that was that was it was basically and this is I'm not gonna be I'm not gonna be able to

to portray what happened there but it's a religious experience it's almost like mass it's almost like a church

because of him and the energy that he puts in and the people that engages with him it's a very church-like experience and it's very interesting um i don't know if it's

if it's cool, but it's definitely something, and it's I appreciate it a lot.

And the other comedian that I really, really like

because there's a there's a physical aspect of comedy that I'm always, always engaged to.

And there's two comedians who one of them doesn't get the credit enough.

It almost goes as a fashion.

Like sometimes every now and then he gets it, but he's the real goat and the real inter first internet comedian it's dane cook i mean dane is such a legend bro and i really get and i get the hate that he gets because i understand that he broke the internet code first yes and and i get and he was very hated on a pun and he tried to make that at that time where Hollywood was a little more

more

like heavy that internet presence presence yes he managed to put this big but he he wanted this because this was what what's what what you had to make like go go and make movies and whatever and it didn't go as well as he thought it would be and then he he basically like left a little unattended like the internet and comedian stuff but for me As a Venezuelan kid who downloaded a lot of illegal shit because we didn't have access,

dude, there wasn't, there wasn't, and I hopefully doesn't offend this thing at all.

I know it wouldn't, but dude, I downloaded every single special and clips, and I was very young, and I was, dude, I was screaming, for example, that Burger King, uh, like, like, car thing.

Oh, the burger thing where he's got

exactly like that.

Whopper,

dude.

That thing, for me, it changed, it changed everything because of the physicality of it.

and right right afterwards not afterwards, but a little further, it's Sebastian.

I mean, Mariscalco is just dude, the physical thing.

He's a master of his body.

He's a master of his vocals.

Yeah, it breaks me.

That thing that he does, like with that, that the physicality of it, it breaks me.

I don't care what you're saying.

I really don't.

But you're so good at the timing and the professionalism of it.

It's just magical magical for me.

It's, I just, I, I saw, I saw Day, I saw Dane at the Iprov once, and I saw Sebastian at the Hollywood Bowl at the Netflix.

Uh,

I think those big arena things, it's not for me, but I just think it's difficult to translate of a physicality like that.

You're just watching a screen if you're not close enough, right?

And that's yeah, it's a huge screen.

I remember how Chappelle used to stalk, I mean, um, uh, how Chris Rock used to stalk the stage.

And I saw him live here in a bigger venue, but we were up close.

And that he's a master of physicality, also.

The way that he's

great.

He's great as well.

Yeah.

You brought Rock.

So it's for me, it's very difficult because I have so many stories with each of us.

I grew up watching

HBO specials.

But for me, the first three comedians that I saw

religiously and I got sick sick of just studying them were Rock, Cat Williams, and Chappelle.

Ah.

So that's why I am the way I am.

That's the way, you know.

Listen,

the first, very first guy that I ever interviewed was...

Dane Cook.

First comedian that I ever interviewed was Dane Cook.

He was nice enough that I was a nobody.

There was no reason to come on.

And I interviewed him.

And he could not have been nicer.

While he was never my favorite comedian, I did understand why people liked his comedy and the physicality of that comedy was funny to me.

Like, it he's such a legend.

He certainly was.

And well, he was so humble.

Like, he just was like humble.

He's also been through so much shit.

Oh, guys.

Like, his story.

His brother's story and whatever.

Yeah.

Oh,

everyone.

Yeah, that's one of the examples of someone who got someone very close to him got and took advantage of his work.

And

that definitely makes you uh

not i'm not gonna say weird but makes you feel you want to be protected all the time and i get it and but he had i had i i only hear great stories about him i don't i do not i think it's a he gets the same hate that matt rice gets because he's he's good to connect those two yeah you know he's great he's very hardworking and i get that makes people i don't know move a little bit you know well he's he's young.

He had a lot of success.

No one expected the success, just like Dane.

No one really expected Dane to do anything.

He wasn't doing anything.

And then all of a sudden, he broke the rules.

He said, if they're not going to have me on Letterman, I'll have, I'll send it out through my MySpace.

And all of a sudden, people were like, well, shit, here's free comedy.

I just download on Dane.

And he built an empire that way.

Unfortunately, you know, he had to rebuild.

All right, so you're a big music fan.

I see the drums in your background there.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, man.

Look at that.

That's a a nice ludwig set you have back there i also

heard that you went and saw oasis not once but twice hottest ticket in town and nacho went twice are you a big oasis fan because i'm a big oasis fan um leo from edn he got me the wembley tickets uh for christmas and and we we it was a very um it's amazing an amazing experience but i i actually like i love oasis i'm not gonna say i'm the number one fan because I'm not.

But I love the lore of Oasis.

I think Oasis is one of, if not the best marketed band in the world.

And not even thinking about it.

They just annoy it like that way.

But I think...

I really think that what Oasis represents, it's a lot of what the

artistry industry really needs to start regaining again, which is a little right.

Like, they have to be more rebellious and more like, fuck you, I don't care.

I'll do whatever the fuck I want.

I don't do this for money.

I don't do this.

I just do it because I want to.

And

that kind of attitude,

without being disrespectful,

it has to be...

I agree.

Yeah.

I really miss that

in the industry in general.

You know, they did it right from the beginning because from the beginning they came out with this winner takes all attitude that we are the next beatles we're coming to america and we're going to take over and i was alive i was a teenager when their first albums came out or becoming a teenager when their first albums came out a little bit older than you and they just had this mythology from the beginning that they were you know kind of asshole-ish pricks from London, you know, from England that we're going to come over here and, you know, take over.

And the truth was, they had the music to back it up.

So once all of these anthemic songs started playing and then they beat each other up on stage and you know all this other stuff and they let the his they let it brew for so long that but the lore get back together the lore is it's that it's so powerful that oasis wasn't even like a big music seller it it out of the uk Your Oasis was big, but not this big.

That arena all over the world.

Uh-uh.

That wasn't like that and he did they didn't have that many hits as you thought of because we're fans we know the hits but it's not like they were big and famous all over the world but the reason they're selling right now that much is because of the lore and everyone wants to live through it and the amount of young people i saw In the UK, not in Mexico, in Mexico, I saw like people my age and shit.

But in UK, the little guys, like the young guys, the kids that they are being introduced by their fathers and their parents, like this is me, bro.

Like,

understand this shit.

And

it was such a cool thing to study and to just experience.

And the lore

is that powerful that makes arenas sell out in hours, even though they're not as.

You want to be part of it.

and want to understand it.

Yeah, Pearl Jam's a much more popular band from that age.

I think so.

Yeah, of course.

In the U.S.

In the U.S., in so many hits and so many people, but you know, they don't, they're not selling out, you know, no offense to Pearl Jam, I love them, but they're not selling out Soldier Field in Chicago to 150,000 people in six seconds, right?

It just doesn't, it hasn't worked like that because they have been feeding the beast the entire time.

I agree with you.

I think it's, I don't know, I think there's a lot of just PR.

Yeah.

I just, um, I just knew, and this is a fun fact.

It was for me like a couple weeks ago the pearl jam means jizz you know that I didn't pearl jam means jizz.

Yeah, you know I knew that

I had two weeks I had this information in me since a couple weeks ago

If I turn now I get it.

I understand it makes a lot of sense.

If I turn this camera around, there's 12 Pearl Jam concert posters framed up here.

I had no idea.

You're a Jiz fan.

You're a Jizz fan.

25, Nacho.

I'm a man of the people.

I am too.

So fuck it.

I don't care.

Nacho is on tour with

Traumas right now.

The show is in Spanish.

So just to let everyone know, and I know we do have a lot of Venezuelan listeners.

He's going to be on tour here in the U.S.

I'll put a link down in the show notes.

Of course, EDN is everywhere.

So you don't have to worry about it.

Just wherever you're listening to this podcast, you can go check out EDN.

Nacho, I can talk about that.

I don't have to leave.

I don't have to leave if you want to talk a little more.

Oh, yeah, no.

If you don't have to leave, I want to talk to you more.

Let's go.

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Let's talk about EDN for a minute.

EDN

is so incredibly successful.

And I know

I have experienced this myself.

And just let me share a story for a moment.

Yeah.

This show, you know, it has its fans.

You know, I know we get hundreds of text messages.

The engagement that comes through, right?

That's when you know a show is really starting to take off, is the engagement and then the charts and all that other stuff.

But we have never had engagement, like the engagement that we get anytime that I talk about Venezuela.

When I talk about my personal connection to Venezuela, my best friend of 32 years is Venezuelan.

I became an honorary Venezuelan at some point.

I was the, you know, the palones, right, of the gringo in the family.

And then, of course, I married my wife who is Venezuelan, like from Venezuela, Venezuelan.

And which city?

She's from Caracas.

She was in Caracas when I I met her.

And then she went to Switzerland to get her master's degree.

So then we just, I followed, I chased her around, Nacho.

That's what I did.

That's what Venezuelans do.

Yeah, of course.

Two gringos.

Yeah.

Should I put this on the other foot?

Yeah.

Huh.

United States.

That's a great place.

So.

I understand the power of loyalty from Venezuelans because now they follow me, they comment, they listen to the show, and it's been a wonderful, beautiful relationship.

When EDN starts, you guys are just like three buddies that just decide, hey, we should do this.

We're comedians, we could probably rap for a couple of hours.

How did this all start?

Well,

it was that easy.

I mean,

we were sharing the same city.

The three of us were in Mexico City.

I was the last one

to come here.

And we were friends because we worked in a in a comedy office in Venezuela called Plop which is it was like the

Venezuela has its own the onion which is El Chi Vuir Viparia I'm sure you heard of it that's the office where that happened where like the the El Chihuida was going on and there was a funny page called El Mostacho which was mimicking funny or die at the time Okay.

And we were all part of that.

We were writing.

The thing with Plop, it was like everyone was involved in every project.

Yeah.

So I was, the reason I entered Plop was because I was writing for a late night for Erica del Avera at the time.

So I was already into the TV writing space and everyone there started doing stand-up.

Every comedian you know was there.

Like Led Varela was there, Jose Rafergusman was there.

Lanutia was there.

the guys from El Cuartico, which is the other podcast that's also very successful,

and also the three of us.

Every single comedian right now who is touring and it's a great success, and that's our school, that's our college, blob.

So my generation that started there,

Chris was there, Leo was there.

And we all, all of us make a, make, made a great, like,

yeah, like a great group of community yeah and then obviously everyone took took took off and some of us went to some some some yeah miami argentina whatever and but for whatever reason leo chris and i managed to land in mexico city and i already did a pilot with chris in venezuela for a podcast before i had to flee flee the country uh because of the amazing democracy and the beaches and the mountains I was just tired of it.

I needed a little more chaos in my life.

And then we landed here.

And Leo was the one who had the idea.

And it brought us to a coffee place.

And we're like,

what about doing a podcast, the three of us?

And I'm like, of course, why not?

I mean, I was just living out of my stand-up.

And I was like, I can use a little more internet presence.

you know.

And some structure, some purpose, something to do.

Like, you know, exactly.

Now, Leo and Chris were in a,

they were working in an office in a, in a, yeah, like a marketing or wherever.

I don't know.

But I was completely like

invested in my stand-up.

So.

we started doing this and it was very natural our chemistry is really unheard of like we are very different we have our differences and whatever, but like the chemistry between the conversations that we have.

Well, we have we have done Scuela Anada for almost eight years, uninterrupted.

And with a, I,

those two guys are the one are the people who are spent the most time in my life.

I'm sure of it.

Like, even more than my mom, not even my dad.

Well, he wasn't there, so who gives a fuck?

So,

but, but, like, like, for us, it was very easy, and

it it was just a spark it's it's not

i i i i wish i had like a cool story about

oh and i just managed to fall into a table and the microphone was on and whatever it was just very easy for us and it just exploded in our faces we didn't we didn't we we truly don't understand

that much what happened Yeah.

I have had conversations, long conversations with my brother-in-law, Gustavo, about EDN because it's obviously

your brother-in-law.

Yeah.

Brother-in-law.

The one with a small like...

Yeah, with a small penis.

Yeah, it's an unfortunate problem, but we're going to see.

We're going to take a doctor and see if we can get it fixed.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Yeah.

There's pumps and penis, you know, extenders and all that.

We'll figure it out.

There's dick doctors all over the world.

There's lots of dick doctors.

Yeah.

He's seen a few.

He's got, that's his future.

There's a lot of dick doctors.

Well, he's studying to be a dick doctor.

So

I think he's doing a lot of research on penises, if I'm being honest.

I get it.

I do it at comedy.

I do comedy.

He's doing on digs.

On penises.

That's great.

That's great.

That's great.

He says that one of the, and I think that Venezuela, especially the young folks, they are displaced people in general, right?

They're all around the world.

And one of the things that Gustavo says is feels

like why he's so loyal to EDN is that it's a little bit of home.

Like it feels like a little bit of home.

It's three guys, three personalities that we all know from our own lives.

And they come into a room and they talk about the things that we know and the things that we love.

And it feels like a little bit of home.

And these Venezuelans from all around the world feel like they're tuning in to a little bit of home, and you're fucking funny.

And then, you know, you talk about pop culture and the things that represent this kind of larger daspora, these people who are all over the world.

Yeah, that's

a little magic there.

Yeah, that's the most common message we get when we encounter fans of the podcast all over the world.

It's like, you are the Venezuelan kitchen with my friends.

Like, you know, we Latinos, we manage to have our conversations inside the kitchen.

Even though we can have like the biggest living room in the world or a terrace or whatever,

you're going to find us in the kitchen.

I don't know why, but it just causes.

Yeah, I mean, it's where the food is, but we don't cook.

We just drink and have a conversation.

Well, Tiqueno is in the air fryer, and after that, it's like, you know, there you go.

Not even the air fryer.

Air fryer is a little gustavish, you know?

But in the like like you said it it just managed to connect with the people who felt alone in the in the in the process of being new into to a to a new country uh

and the amount of people who just wrote us like um you you managed to to you accompany me with those years where I had no friends and no no partners or whatever and now it's such such a long time has passed since EDN got born that a lot of people that were alone we are we I already know a lot of people who re who I see most of the shows who I see

yeah on the streets or whatever now they have children yeah yeah and they have a local partner like uh maybe a chilean wife or or or a spanish husband you know and and

that that's that thing really connects with me it's like like I was there when you had nothing.

And now you have this family.

And they bring the kids to the show.

And

it really doesn't come...

It doesn't get any better.

It's going to be a great feeling, man.

It's going to be great.

It's ridiculous.

And

even

this is going to sound a little traumatic, but even people who were fans that died.

And I remember them.

And remember this guy?

Oh, he had cancer and he passed away last year and I remember those guys and I remember the people who who were there and then maybe come to my show and they say oh I lost a little of

I got lost a little in Scuela Anada because of my family I have a family now and I'm like don't worry you can come back whenever you want it's like it's a it's a little club where people come and go maybe they pass away maybe they have a great amazing like big family and

for whatever reason, Square Not just was, is

tattooed on their lives.

That's so weird

for me to have that impact on someone's life talking shit with my friends.

It's just

like three years ago, I remember getting this.

I woke up, I get in the studio, and I get this, and I'm reading through some text messages, and someone's telling me, like, they sent this like very heartfelt letter to the commercial break about how they were going through a bad time, divorce, you you know, separation with the kids and all this other stuff.

And they were thinking about taking their life, but

we got that.

I'm sure you guys have had 12 of those, right?

But we did that.

And then I just remember thinking, the commercial break is a thing in and of itself.

And it almost has nothing to do with us anymore.

I mean, it is us, but it's like, it's a thing.

And people turn it on and they rely on it and they want it and they like it.

And that's not the, I'm trying to be, I'm trying to humble brag a little bit here, but, you know, it's a thing that we created two friends just shooting the shit and now people they are into it it's got a personality of its own and i would imagine it's bigger than you guys and it's bigger than us they are than us i i that i had we had a great conversation a couple of days ago about you know what what's the stage of each of one of us in their lives and what what should we because right now as we speak yesterday there's a there's a colombian counterpart of scuela anada like you you know there's a we we managed to say that there's a scuela anada in each country.

And I have to be very, I'm very,

yeah, I'm very lucky to be friends with almost every podcast that has been

brought up

in every Latin America country that has become very big and very successful.

In Colombia, it's peros criollos.

Peros criollos, it's a, but they, they just did an arena, a 14,000 people arena in Colombia.

And

in that show,

they announced that they're breaking up.

And it's like,

that was all

the thing that we wanted to do is just

to touch

the top of the mountain, say thank you, and then fuck off.

And that was...

That's insane.

But that's so inspiring.

Cool.

That's what that is.

That's inspiring.

It's like,

the purpose of this, this, and

we've talked about the end of Scotland.

Of course, we've done it.

But it's such a big project.

And

the thing that the three of us agree on is that it's bigger than us.

So

when the time comes to have that conversation for real, we have to respect it as it is.

It's bigger than us.

It really touched.

a lot of people's life.

I don't want to take it that seriously because

I can't do it.

It's not in my spirit to do so.

But

it really,

yeah.

But it is what it is, Nacho.

It is what it is.

It's like you, you created this thing.

You birthed this thing, the three of you.

And now it's out there in the world.

And a lot of people, you know, they are attached to it in some way, emotionally, spiritually, maybe even just to listen to some.

Maybe they, you know, maybe they're hate listening.

I don't know.

There's a lot of that stuff.

Yeah.

That's got some weight to it.

And so so when you decide the moment comes, I've always said to Chrissy, I'll do it until it's not fun.

And when it's not fun, then I have to take seriously consider what's next, right?

But I also have to consider that there are a lot of people out there that listen to the show and they, you know, we'll see.

I don't know.

Who knows?

It might maybe be five more years, maybe five more episodes.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Exactly.

That's the way to...

That's the way to approach it.

And the Pedro Scrillo situation

got very close to heart in that sense because I'm almost 40.

I started this in my very early 30s.

I'm a very different person that when the podcast started.

People are starting to notice it in a good way, not in a bad way, but it's inevitable.

You change.

You like different things and people come and go.

And it's cool to understand

that that that impact has also a limit.

And in your life, it's it's also important and if it's not fun for you you should listen to yourself and you say it's a i hope that i i i don't i don't want to make people bump and get bumped but i have you're having a very you're having a very honest quite a very honest conversation about the nature yeah of this yeah it's very

it's very important for most of people but you also can't yeah you're very important to the product as well so if you're not feeling well if you're not being cool about it um it's not supposed to go it's it's it it's very it's very interesting the way that you're committed to something that

so many people are engaged to in that passionate way yeah that you almost feel you you have to be very careful not feeling a slave of your own creation you know that's the difficult part but also when you wake up in the morning and i have to remember this sometimes too is that the earth has how many billions of people most of them i would imagine in somewhere in their brain, they're going to an office today.

They would love to have a show where 10 people were engaged in that manner, right?

Oh, no.

Yeah.

Listen, I mean, we are the product of a miracle.

It's a miracle.

It's not even far away from the concept of a miracle.

It's it literally is.

Like we were at the precise moment, and the precise, we said the precise words to make people come into our ship and that's i'm so grateful for that and it's just it makes me so

so

yeah it makes me so happy to just being able to do that and and and then i build the traumas to like the traumas ship and also a lot of people come in from every single country in the world not only venezuelans and it's it's become such a such a blessing it's weird to to say it because I don't take it that seriously, like I said, but it just

feels weird.

It feels weird.

I'm not comfortable being that person, like the person who is responsible to entertain that much people.

It's but like you said,

that was my dream.

That was my dream, was a lot smaller.

I have to admit it.

But I travel the world yearly with my friends and by myself.

and the the shows are full and I I do

like one day I'm in Argentina and the next day I'm in Bilbao what the fuck what the fuck you couldn't have imagined this

15 years ago you would have

my wildest dreams I and and it's it's just because of yeah it's just how many days do you guys record How many days do you guys record in a week?

Or in a week?

It depends.

It depends because, for example, today we're recording two episodes and tomorrow we're doing three.

So because that's because I'm on tour and we that's that's our

little our secret and not secret, but the

same thing.

We batch record sometimes.

Yeah, but it's there is in it's Escolana has never failed a deadline.

Never.

There are in seven years.

That's crazy.

I think one time.

And it's because we were very, very tired.

And we were very honest.

Like, hey guys, i know our but one time we've done more than a thousand episodes wow so wow so that's ridiculous that's stupid that's that's stupid and the commitments there that and that's the reason that so it really it's not successful because we're talented which we are but not the the the the discipline and the constant like every every aspect of us being very professional is very impregnated in the pro in the project and that's the reason it's successful it's because we don't stop and we we we respect the audience very much does edn i know edn did netflix as a joke uh was it last year or the year before last year uh two years i think it was i can't remember i think it was last year i don't know i remember reading that i do not understand the concept of time

i can that's got to be like a totally mind fuck experience to be running around and waking up in a different city every third day and you know i know i talk to all the comedians about this because it's the part that's the most interesting.

My comedy lives here.

I also have a small children.

And so for me, I'm not touring right now.

It's just not going to happen, right?

I want to be part of their, their lives, but I understand there's lots of people who do that, but that's got to be a real mind fuck to grow up, to wake up every third day in a different city.

I mean, that's just like, and it's not like you're.

you know, at the four seasons on a beach hanging out.

You're in a room, you do a late night show, you come home, you get some sleep, you eat a cheeseburger, you know, you wake up.

Maybe you walk around the streets the next day, and then you get to get on a flight and do it again, right?

So it's

you're doing it for the ride, for that three hours you're spending on stage.

Well, we've gotten to a place, a very lucky and dessert place because of our work ethics, where

it has become a little more comfortable.

I'm not gonna be,

I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna like,

I'm not talking shit about the oh it's horrible

it is exhausting it is psychologically damaging yeah to to do and in my case in particular for example we used to do big tours with Scuadanada and then I go on tour by myself and repeat the cities all over

for I think last year I did Chicago five times only Chicago

in different combinations like with the guys I did three shows.

And then I did by myself two shows.

And then I did the 312

festival by myself.

And then, you know, it's...

And it becomes, I had a serious mental breakdown in January this year when I was about to get a divorce.

I was about to leave Squadron.

I was about to go live at Oslo and just, you know, raise a couple of werewolves or whatever and

just die.

And die.

And I was like very well served I said I did my best and I just called it and I went to the woods and you were feeling it huh oh yeah because it was very I was very very

I'm a workaholic that's my only problem and I really am a

I am the complete opposite of a mediocre guy

and it really it really brings you to the to the floor once you get to those places and when you're doing 120 150 shows a year,

and it's not in your country, you're traveling a lot, you're doing nine-hour flights to do a small tour, you're doing uh, you're living out of jet lag, you're living out of shitty food because it's not because I can't afford it, it's because the time, it's because it's different, I don't have the time, and and the flying, the airports, the i i i think it's and and once again it's such a privileged life.

It's I hate talking about this.

But everything is relative, Nacho.

Everything is relative.

Yes.

I get it.

And

I try to

land that in a like a human perspective of it.

Sure.

Because

even though it's fun and it's cool,

I also get very, very anxious and very tired in general.

Last year I was like like you said i i thought that was impossible to to mismatch a city like to oh where am i i thought are you stupid i did have how does that happen to a to a shakira for example like shaquira said hi peru and he was like

it's like oh how you're so stupid shakira how did that happen i understood that like i i understood yeah you know oh no what what is it to wake up like at 3 a.m completely bathed in sweat?

Like what the fuck's happening?

And not like defining the skyline of the window?

Like, okay, is this Miami?

Is this, oh, where DC?

Okay, yeah, okay.

Yes.

And I felt that at the end of last year, and

I shut down for a while.

How long have you been married?

I've been married almost three years now.

To a Mexican woman, correct?

Yes, sir.

I owe also like the danger.

Yeah, you're also having trauma.

I'm not sure which causes more trauma, the Venezuelan or the Mexican wife, but we can debate that off air.

You guys got married.

That's going to be a great debate.

That's

a complete episode of.

That's a complete episode where both of us probably get canceled and never get hired again.

I'm used to it, so I don't know.

But yeah,

I've been married three years almost.

And are you in

when you say you're about to get a divorce, it's that serious?

It's just like the travel and the stress and it's just too much and everyone's stressed out about I just exploded on all fronts.

It didn't have necessarily

had something to do with my marriage or my relationship in general, but it definitely had

the guilt that I felt of not being home that much.

And my wife's also a she's a very famous actress.

So when she when she's in when she's filming, it's exactly like me going on tour.

She's out of the house at a time.

Or even in the same city, like in Mexico City.

She gets out at 5 a.m.

and she gets back home at 12

in the noon or 11 in the night.

And she goes like straight to the bed because she's exhausted.

And

we had to understand a little bit of her dynamic.

of each other so we can integrate.

We we also she's exactly like me like workaholic, best in the business, very well,

very professional, and very successful also.

So the pressure she has is very similar to mine.

But we managed to understand

where's the,

well, we basically talked to each other very honestly and say, we have to take breaks to be with each other.

That's it.

Yeah.

And and and we we understood that mission and we made it happen this year.

And we went to Oasis in the UK.

And we did a lot of cool plans together.

But the pressures of trying to be relevant or trying to be working, making a living out of it, it comes from my mind.

It doesn't come from me being hired by anyone.

So it's a little, it's a different pressure.

It's not better or worse.

It's just

the anxiety and the pressures of being the one responsible for your your money to come in, not in a hired way, but in a creating way,

it's very different.

Well, I've said this to some of my friends.

You know, it's like, you know, they have a boss or they have a thing or they have investors or whatever it is.

And those investors are telling them what to do and putting pressures on them.

My pressures come from internal.

If I don't make it happen, it's not going to happen.

Or if we don't make it happen in the room, it's not going to happen.

And that kind of pressure with no structure around the pressure with no direction around the pressure is something that is unique like you know some people can do it some people can't do it i'm not saying better or worse or indifferent it's just the way that it is but it also can be the kind of crushing pressure that that you might feel if your boss was you know telling you you got to get that project done or you're going to get fired and but we drive it in it's driven in here and that is a different kind of stress when it's your own voice that's telling you i got to get this done i got to get this done i got to get done.

And that also can make us a little insensitive to those around us because they don't understand.

I got to get it done.

Get out of my way so I can get this done.

And I totally get people who don't get it and say, what the fuck are you talking about?

You're vacationing all year.

You're a fucking podcaster, Brian.

What are you doing?

And it's kind of true.

It's kind of true.

We have to give that to them.

It's not, I'm very,

I designed it and I'm proud of it because i i worked my ass off to get it but i get it when someone that has a job that maybe they don't like they say to me like what the are you talking about but you're you're traveling the world doing comedy shut the and they have a point they do have a point They always have a point.

Because the truth is, at the end of the day, I'm very grateful that I get to fuck off for a living.

That's it.

I get to fuck off for a living.

But I'm the one who has to get up and make myself fuck off for the living.

do you know what i'm saying so yeah and i did 10 i did almost like 10 years of doing something that didn't make me do a dime in a completely collapsed economy that pushed me to a politics to a to a place where i had to leave the country so it's not like oh it's been always like this no but i managed to understand that if i did that and if i survived that i would get to a place where i can have my own drunks

all right two more questions, and then I'm going to let you go so I know you got to record.

Number one, Andrea, who's a Venezuelan friend of the family, she wants to know: is Escuela De Nada going to, or you, specifically you, Nacho, are you guys have specials in the works where you're going to do something on a streaming platform?

Um, is there anything in the works?

Well, I recorded traumas in Madrid this year this this year, so the special is done, but uh, traumas became very viral in the summer, so it's the first time I made a conscious decision to repeat a show in a lot of cities, and it's been amazing because it's so new for a lot of people, even though I have been doing this show for two years, which is completely out of my limit right now.

I actually like to write a lot, I already have my new show developed, done, proven, uh, ready to go that it's gonna go next year.

But okay, um, i do have a special coming out i am negotiating if it's gonna be on platform or not or youtube like my youtube channel like always where my three specials live um

and and i i i am just more engaged now with the control i have with my own social media and content production uh

and and the way i promote my shit i i really don't i haven't had the opportunity opportunity to work with a Netflix or an Amazon, whatever, with a special.

I would love to, and I'm always very close to closing that deal

because I have a great relationship with Netflix.

I have a great relationship with Mo.

I just

for me, I haven't had that experience of seeing how like a Netflix works with a yeah, you know, with a special

is, but yes, yeah, dramas is done.

Uh, maybe I'll re-record it because I added some new jokes along the way.

So maybe I'll do the special again in December here in Mexico

and I'll see which one I'll release.

You can intertwine the two.

A lot of people do that, right?

They call them pickups.

I can do that.

Chris Rock was the first one to do that.

But I think I'll maybe record it again in December because actually

this is such

so childish of mine, but it's because of one joke that I want to read

this book.

One stupid joke that I that I came up with in the middle of the tour in Latin America.

And I'm like, this didn't get into the special.

I love this joke.

And it's real.

It's literally, dude, Brian.

It's just one word.

One word.

It's one word.

It's one word.

It's one word.

But it's so good.

And I like it so much that I'm about to dispose a complete production and do another one and invest a new one just for one fucking joke.

I really do.

Oh my God.

Nacho, we're cut from the same cloth.

I just recorded an entire podcast episode and I heard one joke when I listened, I keep like religiously listening to it over and over again before I release it.

It's like a special project I'm working on.

It's an hour long.

There is one joke, one like one callback that I think I could do that would just be like perfection, right?

But it's like they say, the artist never knows when the last stroke comes.

You just never know.

And I am considering redoing an entire 15-minute segment that, by the way, took me like three months to complete just so I can get that to reframe it so I can get that one thing in there.

And

I am not a perfectionist.

I really don't.

I am very, very comfortable with things not being perfect because that's the nature of being a comedian.

Basically,

but this joke, I like it so much and it's so good that I had to put it in time.

I'm almost, I always, I even thought about like, do I recreate the

stage just for this fucking joke?

And I dress exactly the same and I do a joke and then, and I edit it in?

I don't know.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's it.

All right.

That's one more.

But I had that one.

Yes.

One more.

And this comes from a couple different people.

And I know that the answer to this is difficult.

It's difficult to pinpoint this.

Do you ever imagine EDN or Nacho or the, you know, the guys, whatever?

Do you ever imagine the homecoming show?

Do you think that'll ever come to fruition?

Oh, fuck.

Yeah.

Dude, we fantasize about it every day.

Have you ever had like serious conversations with anybody that could make that happen, or is that just so out of the realm of possibility?

No, I do not negotiate with Chavistas.

No, I wouldn't either.

Form or no.

And we've gotten offers.

Oh, really?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, like like hey you come and i and we do this and you're good you're all right first of all i don't trust you second of all i have ethics and i have a position where we don't we're not friends we're not i i i i this is a very weird space to be in but uh

i do not fuck with any government No government is a friend of mine.

No government is a friend of mine.

Canadians are always opposing power.

That's right.

So I am not friends with you.

I do not criticize the ones who take another.

I don't care.

That's me.

Me, I do not go with you.

So, and you, they damage so much people and

also me and

make me suffer a lot.

So we're not friends.

So I'm not going to give you,

I'm not going to wash your face and like, hey,

everything's cool here.

Yeah, you're not going to whitewash the situation and say, hey, listen, everything's cool because I can make some money and I can talk to some people that I haven't seen in a long time.

It will be such an such a

people don't even get

how much money

can we make if we do that.

And I don't do this for money.

It's never been my goal.

So the money just came in because I'm such, this is such a cliche, but

I hope it really resonates with artists that are seeing this.

If you're really engaged and you're very disciplined and you have your work ethics very straightened up, the money's gonna come

by itself.

You're gonna see your account and you're gonna say, What the fuck just happened?

Because you're good, because you're engaging, because

you're working your ass off.

So,

but I really think about it once Venezuela gets freed, which is gonna happen eventually.

Yes, um,

uh, hopefully, in the least traumatic way.

Look at that pun.

Amazing.

I'm a great comedian.

In the least

traumatic way.

Traumatic way.

Yeah, that's right.

And we're definitely gonna, that's gonna happen.

And it's gonna be

a great.

I was just telling my wife, I deserve to have a second half of my life where I collect and

where I get not paid in money but I get what I deserve what I deserve of being a cultural um

that sounds very complicated

yeah I really want to have the the I really want to have my flag put into in in my hometown and say I am I work this I I want to feel my the people of my hometown to

they first of all they deserve the things things that I've been working on for decades

and and

for me it's a dream just to be able to entertain my hometown and collect what I deserve of the hard-working years I've been doing abroad and I've seen I always tell that with my Mexican comedian friends when I go to the shows here in Mexico City for example and if they are from Mexico City

I always tell them like I told this to Riccio Farrell at the time like I envy in the most healthy way that you can go and do a show in your hometown, like a big show, and they go home and have a sleep in your bed.

Um, that's something that's so stupid to imagine, but at the same time, it's so symbolic and so nice to understand.

I would love to do a show in my hometown and just being able to go home.

I don't have a home in Venezuela, but Venezuela is home.

Yeah, but you know,

yeah, and it's something that it is gonna happen.

I'm i'm not dying with that i'm not dying without living that and it's we're doing scuera and a and i'm doing by myself both shows are happening in caracas and in the rest of venezuela uh

much earlier than we think so

i

when i think about the venezuelan people and this isn't um i'm not hamming up to the venezuelans but i love them dearly they have provided me in some ways family that i didn't receive myself and uh love and support and loyalty.

When I think of the Venezuelan people, my heart aches, but I will never know what it's like to be ripped or forced from your country or having to move because there are no opportunities or you have to find a place that's less dangerous.

The Venezuelan people's plight is not one, as some people will think of,

you know.

I'm not going to get political about this.

I just want to say it will happen.

And when it does, I can't wait to be one of the first.

I'll be in the front row with you, brother.

I'll be in the front row.

Yeah, I can't wait.

But we're not that close of a friend, so you have to buy your ticket.

Second row.

You're buying.

But

I'll give you the link earlier.

Listen to that.

There are benefits of being fellow podcasters.

That's a great benefit.

No, of course

you'll be backstage with us, bro.

That's the way you go.

I love EDN.

And Gustavo, even if he has a very small dick, he's going to be there.

We're going to be with everyone.

Yes.

Not only do I feel for the plight of the Venezuelans, I feel for the plight of the small penises.

Gustavo,

first of all, congratulations on your upcoming marriage and your graduation.

Gustavo, we love you.

And about the you're going to be an amazingly dick doctor in the future.

We really.

That's great.

Chuichi Soni.

Oh my God.

He is going to just, he's going to love me.

Nacho, I would invite you back anytime, my friend.

If you want to come visit in a couple months, you're going to be in Atlanta.

Let me buy you a cup of coffee or whatever.

Absolutely.

Let's go.

Let's go.

Let's have

lunch or something.

I'll be there.

I think that's one of my first theaters.

Yes, you're playing the Variety Playhouse.

You're playing the Variety Playhouse, which is a lovely, lovely theater in a lovely part of town called Little Five Points.

And me and my small penis brother-in-law, Gustavo, are going to be there.

He's already making plans to travel in town.

So we will be there.

I will text you.

We will get together.

Nacho Redundo.

Links in the show notes.

This has been a true pleasure, my friend.

Thank you so much.

It's been, it's been a great conversation.

Thank you so much for having me.

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Wow, not only does that clock in at the longest longest episode of the commercial break ever, it certainly is by far the longest interview I've ever done.

We've ever done.

For sure.

But I think it was worth it because I just,

you know, two guys chopping it up.

We needed to talk.

We have to get it out.

Us guys, you know us, we're emotional creatures.

We have to talk about it.

We have to get it out.

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All right, there you go.

Nacho Redundo.

Thank you very much to Nacho for coming in.

I'm sure he's now running late for everything else in his day, but you know,

when you're on the commercial break,

when you're on the commercial break, you don't leave the commercial break to do something else.

No, no, no, no, no.

You stay.

I can't wait for Nacho to come back.

I really enjoyed that conversation in case you couldn't tell.

All right, nacho red.com.

I'll put links in the show notes.

He's on tour here in the States.

That tour is in Spanish.

So just beware if you buy tickets, you might want to understand some Spanish or, you know, get on Duolingo or something.

Bring your

EarPod 3s.

And then it can translate in real time for you.

Yeah, and listen to EDN.

EDN is a...

Really, if you understand Spanish, it's a really fucking funny show.

It's fantastic.

They talk all about pop culture.

They have really in-depth conversations.

It's not all shits and giggles.

They go there.

And I think that's why I appreciate the show.

I know that's why Gustavo loves it.

And to my wonderful brother-in-law, Gustavo, we love you.

We know that your penis is big.

Okay?

You're a tall guy.

There's no doubt.

It's big.

I don't know personally, but somebody does.

And it's huge.

It's huge, Gustavo.

It's huge.

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