Hour 2: The Steph Curry of Sports Media (feat. Jemele Hill)

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Speaker 8 This is the Don Labatar Show with the Stu Gats Podcast.

Speaker 9 Jamal Hill is going to join us now.

Speaker 9 And Jamal, I insist, I insist that we find the funny in this conversation, the stupid, the silly, the nonsense in this conversation, because I was explaining before you came on here

Speaker 9 just the wearying stupidity of having any kind of discussion about whether Jackie Robinson was black or

Speaker 9 I don't even know what the discussion is, honestly, or what the conversation points are that allow us to jump from Jackie Robinson to DEI and then just have the same arguments that we've been having for the last 10 years publicly and privately and longer than that.

Speaker 9 So you for joining us. But

Speaker 9 what's the funny in here? What's the part that you don't find dispiriting and you just say to yourself, okay, media members are fighting in the wrong way?

Speaker 10 I guess probably the most,

Speaker 10 the funniest part to me was Stephen A.

Speaker 10 Smith, who I live for when he challenges people live on national television to some kind of confrontation, be it, you know, I wouldn't necessarily say a fist fight, but like when he he challenged Kevin Durant, like, you don't want to make an enemy out of me.

Speaker 10 Or this time around, when it came to

Speaker 10 J.D. Vance, the vice president and Donald Trump, and all of a sudden, Stephen A.
Smith is like, come on my show and tell me, explain yourself. And I was like, yes, Stephen A, more debate duels.

Speaker 10 Let's go full wrestling. That was the part that I found to be highly, highly entertaining.
It's like, yes, forget about how we used to have celebrity boxing.

Speaker 10 Let's just have debate duel-offs all the time for the soul of humanity. Let's do this.
I'm in.

Speaker 11 The funniest thing I found from this entire situation was Robert Griffin III getting dunked on.

Speaker 2 That's it.

Speaker 10 Just him getting that. Was that funny, Roy, or was that sad?

Speaker 10 Because I found that to be sad.

Speaker 11 I could find the funny and the sad in that situation.

Speaker 2 I thought it was highly hilarious that his take was that dumb.

Speaker 11 So obviously he gets dunked on on that one.

Speaker 10 Well, I was more, I guess, of all the characters, like whenever these debates ensue, right? You have the usual cast of characters that you expect to be involved in some of these debates.

Speaker 10 RG3 was not one that I had on the bingo card.

Speaker 10 But him just coming out of nowhere being like, oh, I long and pine for the days when all of sports talk was just about sports and never about politics. And it was like, what? Where did that come from?

Speaker 10 You know, so it it was, it was more the presence and the oddity of his presence in this debate that I found to be kind of strange, if you will.

Speaker 11 No, I totally expected that the fat black guy with the silly ass fedora would say something about it, but he did not.

Speaker 2 I was really shocked about it.

Speaker 10 Well, see, if that would have happened, I would have been like, okay, this tracks. This is on brand, right? But like, you know, you don't expect.

Speaker 10 RG3 to, you know, come out of somewhere with a, with a, what he considered to be in his mind.

Speaker 10 And maybe this is sort of the dispiriting part is that in his mind, you could tell when he allowed, you know, when he left, let off his opinions that he actually thought he was given some kind of nuanced intellectual take that was somehow missed in all these years in which we have dissected, embraced, celebrated Jackie Robinson's legacy.

Speaker 10 Here comes RG3 with something we've never thought about before or something that is so unique to this discussion that he needed to tell the world that, no, no, Jackie Robinson wasn't in Major League Baseball.

Speaker 10 It had nothing to do with politics, nothing at all. It had everything to do with the fact that he was just there as just a great player, and that's it.

Speaker 10 And just completely just whitewashing the entire context of why this was so meaningful in American politics and American life, period.

Speaker 9 I'm curious, Jamel, of your perspective on this.

Speaker 9 We came up with Stephen A. Smith, and I love the wrestling characters in media and the evolution of what it is that we have done.

Speaker 9 But it wasn't always wrestling characters, and he has become rewarded through the way that he is on television, the modern Howard Kosell and

Speaker 9 one of the most stunning stories in the history of media to go from not needed at ESPN and let go by ESPN to running ESPN. So the wrestling character of it gets rewarded, rewarded, right?

Speaker 10 Well, yeah, I mean, and I don't mean to make it sound as if Stephen A is at home, you know, sort of figuring out what should my character say today. Like,

Speaker 10 I don't want to insult him by, you know, sort of, I'm just sort of politely making, you know, making fun of the whole,

Speaker 10 you know, kind of theater of it. Because Stephen A does understand the performance element of television.

Speaker 10 And because he understands that performance element and because he does it so well and in a way that is very unique to him and in a way no one else in the industry can actually do it that it is able to evoke reaction you know we live in an attention economy dan as you know and he's able to create a tornado of attention with everything that he says and for a media company like espn this is extremely valuable it's why he he got the big contract.

Speaker 10 You know, his roots are in journalism. And for a long time, he was a very good and one of the best, if not the best NBA reporter that was out there.

Speaker 10 But I think he's tapped into something that is easily monetized. So when it's not just, you know, this reporter saying something, it's Stephen A.

Speaker 10 Smith, the weight of his name is bringing something extra to any discussion that he is in. I just find it

Speaker 10 really more fascinating, the political turn that he's making while still being at ESPN and still representing.

Speaker 10 uh ESPN, because as you know, that is not something that is naturally embraced by this company.

Speaker 10 And so I think seeing his turn, his dramatic turn into politics is really quite stunning given the breadth of his career.

Speaker 9 To call it a wrestling character does diminish it because it is just knowing the value of performance on television.

Speaker 9 But when you say you find that part of it interesting, what is most interesting about it to you?

Speaker 9 Not just the ESPN part, just the slalom course that Stephen A has to ride in an increasing audience between

Speaker 9 Fox and ESPN because he's using both platforms for his own gain.

Speaker 10 So that's the part that I do find to be interesting is that he is embraced in a way in conservative circles that you don't often see

Speaker 10 by people in his position.

Speaker 10 Now, some of that is just based off some of the opinions that he shared about, you know, things that he said about the Democratic Party and being very critical of them, which naturally will get you embraced by conservative circles.

Speaker 10 But very few people can vacillate between two wildly different networks. ESPN is not a political network at all.
Fox is the most conservative.

Speaker 10 Well, maybe they're not the most conservative because you do have Newsmax and you also have OHM. But, you know, they're at the top of the food chain, certainly when it comes to conservative networks.

Speaker 10 It's the value pinging that is very interesting to me to see him going back and forth between these two circles.

Speaker 10 And at least from, I think I read this some time ago, like he's doing some kind of live event with like Chris Cuomo.

Speaker 10 So I just wonder where all of this is going. And so it'll be fascinating to see the arc of his career.
I think, and this is just based off things that he said publicly.

Speaker 10 I mean, I think his ultimate goal is to be the number one media mogul.

Speaker 10 in all of television and as a personality while you know maintaining obviously working on some some projects that give him ownership over things of course but i think his goal is just kind of media world domination.

Speaker 10 So, we're seeing this unfold in real time. And it's really quite a masterclass into how, if you can drill into the performance part of this, what lay ahead for you.

Speaker 10 I mean, because the thing with me is that I, while certainly I'm comfortable on TV, comfortable in formats like this, in virtually any format, at some point, for like I can't perform.

Speaker 10 Like, this is what you get, and this is all there is.

Speaker 10 So, I can't every day sort of create this level of enthusiasm and fight and all these other things to sort of sell the natural opinion that I have. Like that's just not a talent that I have.

Speaker 10 And he has that talent to such a incredible degree that I guess the downside of it is that I feel I worry that for younger journalists, that this is becoming sort of like a Steph Curry effect in the sense that Steph Curry started, you know, shooting these logo threes and shooting these completely ridiculous and banana shots.

Speaker 10 And now every NBA player thinks that they can do that.

Speaker 10 Or young kids coming up learning how to play basketball, they're firing off 60 footers thinking like, this is how you play the game, not realizing that that talent is reserved to one player who can do that.

Speaker 10 And so I guess my larger concern is that what is, and I don't mean to make it sound like it's a bad thing, like he's negatively influencing

Speaker 10 younger journalists, but I know a lot of them are watching him him and thinking I can do that very same thing. And so right now, they're drilling into persona as opposed to work.

Speaker 10 So that's sort of like the long-term 64,000 foot view that I'm a little bit more concerned about.

Speaker 6 Jamil, I'm not sure if you saw over the weekend, but and it's like not a huge story just because not that many people care about it, but they had like a producer from Sports Center that got caught kind of ripping Stephen A a little bit, saying that they bring him on to Sports Center just to like get this reaction and even said like they just bring him on to be the angry black man.

Speaker 6 He doesn't actually care about these things. Then he goes on Fox News and he talks about Gaza.
What does he know about Gaza? He was talking about LeBron two hours ago. What do you make of that?

Speaker 6 I mean, because it's a weird situation where this producer was taped. I don't know if this was on a date or like a social outing and it was kind of like set up, right?

Speaker 14 And I don't know what state this was in.

Speaker 9 Is this another, though? There's been this gotcha journalism that isn't journalism going out on dates and all of a sudden just recording people and you know embarrassing them.

Speaker 9 Like this has been a this has been a journalistic lane recently, has it not?

Speaker 10 Yeah, it has. It's a sucker move.
And wait, maybe I need to retract everything I said.

Speaker 10 This is actually my favorite story from the last couple of days because, okay, there's so many things with this story.

Speaker 10 Like one, you have this producer who, as you mentioned, may or may not have been on the date.

Speaker 10 Like, I don't know how much people have listened to this, but if you haven't, I encourage you to listen to it. It literally sounds like that they're on a podcast.

Speaker 10 I mean, the sound quality is so crisp. I'm like, was my man wearing a lavalier? Like, why is the sound quality so good? And the other thing too, I mean, I agree with you, Dan.

Speaker 10 Like, this is ultimately despicable. Like, regardless, a lot of people are caught up in what this producer said and how he characterizes Stephen A.
Smith and more or less. how people view him at ESPN.

Speaker 10 Like to me, that's like irrelevant. The most, the relevant part of this is that you could be in a social setting.
And if you work at ESPN,

Speaker 10 wind up being taped and then somebody else giving that to the media. But it also kind of reminds me of a rule I used to have when I was dating.

Speaker 10 And, you know, a long, long time ago, when I was a single woman out here in the wild of dating, I had a rule that if I was on a date with somebody or in that kind of initial interaction where it's like, okay, you know, this, this guy's cute, you know, there's some level of flirting that's going on.

Speaker 10 If they asked me about Stephen A. Smith of Skip Bayless, immediately that dude was canceled.
Immediately. Like,

Speaker 10 no, I don't want anything to do with you because there is nothing more unsexy and unflattering than when you're talking to, you know, somebody who's a potential love interest and you're like, oh, yeah, you know, so what do you, what are your hobbies?

Speaker 10 What are you, you know, trying to get to know them? And they're like, so what's Stephen A. Smith like? I'm like, do you want to be on a date with Stephen A.
Smith?

Speaker 10 Because this, this is doing nothing for me.

Speaker 10 Like whatever arousal point that I had in this conversation just immediately went to negative So it kind of reminded me of that rule that I used to have when I was when I was dating like who who does that Can we play douche or no douche with her, please?

Speaker 9 I'd like to transition out of I do find all of that interesting because it really is a story unlike any other and Jamel you and I

Speaker 9 it's there's a sort of inevitability in if we're talking about some of the stuff that we were trying to push along at ESPN with great gratitude for ESPN deciding for no good reason at all to become a journalistic company or decide that they wanted to try and mix sports and difficult things to cover in sports and try and do it journalistically.

Speaker 9 The fascination I have with the evolution of everything Stephen A.

Speaker 9 into somebody who could

Speaker 9 have a better presidential cue rating than Kamala Harris and Michelle Obama because he's famous.

Speaker 10 Do you believe that, Dan? Like, seriously. I don't believe it.

Speaker 10 I personally don't. Like, I really do not believe that's true.

Speaker 9 I mean, there's a lot of stuff happening that I don't believe it's true.

Speaker 9 And maybe that's, and perhaps the polling and the numbers aren't accurate, but I have read that the polling suggests that he would be like the

Speaker 9 fourth best betting favorite as a Democratic Party.

Speaker 10 I do not believe this. I have to say, like,

Speaker 10 listen, I realize right now we're in, if we did a tournament of top, you know, dumbest times in America to have lived through, I truly realize we're in a time where this could be a number one seed.

Speaker 10 I get it. But I refuse to believe that the average person out here would look at Stephen A.
Smith and say, of all the candidates that are possible in the Democratic Party, that this one is the fourth.

Speaker 10 most viable that they have. And I just, I don't believe, I know that

Speaker 10 I'm probably probably going to regret saying this. I don't, and this is, again, no reflection of Stephen A.
Smith. I don't believe America's that stupid.

Speaker 6 What if you were asking the fact

Speaker 6 that on a date, not the question about tell me about Stephen A. Smith? It was like, would you vote for Stephen A.
Smith? Do you think he'd be a good president?

Speaker 6 Does that then automatically cancel the person on your date with? That's a good question. Because that's kind of like a gray area.

Speaker 2 It's a better conversation.

Speaker 10 You know what? That's actually,

Speaker 10 to my single ladies out there, that might be the one, you know, because we hear all these reports that one of the reasons, or you want to talk about things, whether or not you believe or don't believe, but one of the things that's messing up the dating game is that like

Speaker 10 a lot of men who have expressed support for Donald Trump is

Speaker 10 turning off the ladies. Okay.
And so that this is part of the reasons that social scientists and experts say that men are living in the loneliest time.

Speaker 10 that they've ever experienced because a lot of women are choosing to stay single. One of the top reasons is

Speaker 10 our political beliefs, the differences, especially among college-educated women. And so maybe that is now the ultimate dating test.
Would you vote for Stephen A. Smith?

Speaker 10 And whatever the answer is, ladies, you can decide if you found your man or not found your man.

Speaker 5 Dan, fourth best odds, Stephen A.

Speaker 5 Sprinkle a little something on that.

Speaker 16 Definitely a little something on that.

Speaker 2 Sprinkle a little something on that.

Speaker 9 Tony and Zaz say that that debate that you wish for, Jamel, would be Super Bowl numbers, they say.

Speaker 10 Between Stephen A and Donald Trump?

Speaker 10 Okay, I can believe that.

Speaker 10 I can believe that. I would believe that.
I would sprinkle something on that.

Speaker 10 I'd pay for Tony's on that.

Speaker 17 Would you pay for it?

Speaker 16 Would you pay five bucks for it?

Speaker 15 I got five on it.

Speaker 10 I'm going to hate myself. I'm going to hate myself for it.

Speaker 7 You know you're going to do it.

Speaker 2 You know you're going to do it. You're going to call the girls over and watch.
Have a watch party. Come on now.

Speaker 2 Come on now.

Speaker 10 I am disgusted with myself in this moment. So five bucks.
Yes. I would pay $5

Speaker 2 and Stephen A. debate.

Speaker 10 I'm not going to lie. All right.
I would.

Speaker 10 I would pay five bucks for that. I would not, I did not want, you know, if the Mike Tyson fight with Jake Paul had been, had you had to pay for it.
I mean, I already had a payment for it.

Speaker 16 I pay $199 a month for it, but whatever.

Speaker 10 Right, right. I already paid for it.
But if that were available to pay for in the traditional pay-per-view model, I would have never paid for that.

Speaker 14 But Stephen A.

Speaker 2 versus Trump.

Speaker 10 Stephen A. Smith versus Donald Trump.
I would pay for that. I might even pay $10 for that.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to lie. Can I get you $20?

Speaker 2 Can I get you $20?

Speaker 8 $20?

Speaker 16 Can I get you $20? You invite the girls over.

Speaker 12 Everybody splits five. You bring a couple bottles of wine.

Speaker 17 You get on the charcuterie board with you.

Speaker 8 If you're going to pay $10,

Speaker 6 you can pay $15, Jamel. You can pay $20.

Speaker 15 Pay $15.

Speaker 10 All right, $19.99. Okay, sold.
$19.99 is as high as I go. Sold.
$19.99 is as high as I go.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 10 I'm not going past that.

Speaker 4 How about a Loser Lee's Town game?

Speaker 2 Would you pay $50 for that? Wow. Would you pay $50 for that? Oh,

Speaker 1 Loser Lee's Time game.

Speaker 17 $49.99.

Speaker 10 $40.99.

Speaker 7 $49.99 for a loser leaves time game.

Speaker 10 I mean, for the possibility of getting rid of Donald Trump. $49.
I mean,

Speaker 2 I'd pay $50.

Speaker 2 There it is.

Speaker 8 You're a hell of a salesman, Tommy.

Speaker 9 Look at America coming together.

Speaker 13 Everybody's coming together.

Speaker 17 $49.99. Loser Leaves Town Game, though.

Speaker 9 As Jeremy has the appropriate.

Speaker 6 $65 and the loser has to shave their head.

Speaker 2 Wow. Okay.
All right.

Speaker 9 Let's play douche or no douche here. Leaving stickers on your flat brim hat.
Douche or no douche.

Speaker 10 Leaving stickers on your flat brim.

Speaker 10 I'm going to say no douche.

Speaker 9 No douche. Morning routine videos on social media.

Speaker 10 I'm going to say douche. Because that's just

Speaker 10 way too attention-seeking. Like, I don't care that much about what you're doing in the morning.

Speaker 9 Speaking of which, bathroom selfies.

Speaker 10 Oh, that is. You know what? That's no douche because I don't consider, I think that's just kind of sad.
Like, I don't think you're a jerk for doing that.

Speaker 10 I just think you probably haven't quite evolved yet. Like, those things should be out.

Speaker 19 I think a bathroom selfie is okay.

Speaker 1 That's because you looked in the mirror and you liked what you saw, and that's such a nice thing that you could feel confident about yourself and go, you know what?

Speaker 1 I'm going to take a selfie in this mirror and I'm going to show the world that I feel good about myself.

Speaker 2 I think a bathroom seems to be a little bit more like that.

Speaker 10 Nobody wants to see the legs sticking out of the stall. That's fair.
Nobody wants to see that. Nobody wants to see that.

Speaker 2 Right. Yeah.

Speaker 10 You got to think of the aesthetic. Okay.

Speaker 4 Solo bathroom. Okay.

Speaker 9 Driving a cyber truck. Douche or no douche.

Speaker 10 You're a douche.

Speaker 10 And I live in LA. So you imagine how many that I see on a, on a daily basis.
There's also a Tesla dealership that's walking distance to me.

Speaker 10 No one's vandalized anything, by the way, in case anyone cares.

Speaker 9 Jamal, nice seeing you. Thank you for being on with us.
It's always good seeing you.

Speaker 10 Now

Speaker 10 I got to go and feel bad for myself the rest of the day because you guys got me to admit that I would pay to see Donald Trump debate Stephen A.

Speaker 9 Smith. You think that's the part that's going to be aggregated?

Speaker 2 You know good and well that ain't.

Speaker 2 You know good and well that ain't the part that's going to get I know.

Speaker 10 Bye.

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Speaker 9 Jeremy, what do you have to update there?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I really hate to put a damper on this one for you guys, but according to McLaughlin and Associates, in January of 2005, they did a poll thinking ahead to the 20, 2025,

Speaker 1 thinking ahead to the 2028 Democratic primary election for president, if that election were held today, among the following candidates, whom would you vote for?

Speaker 1 So in terms of percentages, Kamala Harris had 33. Pete Budigech had nine, Gavin Newsom had seven, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez had six.

Speaker 1 Josh Shapiro, Tim Walz, Gretchen Whitmer, and Amy Klobuchar all had three. Stephen A.
Smith down at two.

Speaker 1 So, you know, it's not going to happen.

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Speaker 1 I would do anything to not have Stephen A. Smith be the president.
Anyway. except for Donald Trump being the president.
So I guess I'd rather him than Donald Trump, but like he's a Republican.

Speaker 1 I don't want him running for the Department of Department.

Speaker 18 You're going to catch 22 here, Mary.

Speaker 2 Losing these town game.

Speaker 16 You're paying 50 bucks. Sorry.

Speaker 1 No, I'll just vote for the far-left candidate. I mean, like, that's what we'll do, right? If Stephen A.
is the Democratic nominee, the Democratic Party doesn't exist anymore.

Speaker 1 No, we're all just cool with that.

Speaker 7 Guy who's always said all I care about is money and he's just going to be there. All right.

Speaker 2 That's fine.

Speaker 2 I'll shut up. Very presidential.

Speaker 5 Something on it.

Speaker 9 There we go. What are you, the salt, bae? Like, what are you doing there?

Speaker 2 You want want to i'm sprinkling a little something on it

Speaker 9 a little sprinkle i'm just trying to win some money all right a value proposition well you can't have your moralities around my value propositions it's just gambling i can't just be both with our freedom and our democracy we'll be fine but if you lose it you might as well win money right

Speaker 12 you probably lose that too if you lose the freedom yeah but it's about the figure that out once we get there yeah but you win on a long shot i mean how does that feel it's something to brag about

Speaker 5 it's something to brag about for the rest of your life hey i you you know, I spent a couple of little bits. You know, I swear.
I took it early.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 5 And I took it early.

Speaker 9 Nobody likes the person who gives the morning routine, right? That's not something that we,

Speaker 9 that's something that everyone's going to respond. I don't want to watch your morning routine on social media.

Speaker 6 Depends how interesting it is.

Speaker 11 Yeah. I honestly don't know what this is.

Speaker 2 But what is this?

Speaker 2 Morning routine? Yes. I don't know what this is.

Speaker 9 Well, Roy is suffering at the moment. We'll get to that in a second.
Roy is, and this is a good character, actually. I would like to develop this character with Roy.

Speaker 9 Roy feels like, this is well beyond the sad report that Chris Cody is producing. The slow report, excuse me, not the sad report.

Speaker 2 That's mine. That's mine.

Speaker 9 That's the one I do. Yes, I'm sorry.
The slow report is Chris Cody. Mine's the sad report.
But Roy is feeling these days like he is the very last to know anything.

Speaker 9 That anything going on on social media that is viral, that for whatever the reason it is, it's getting to him last.

Speaker 9 He feels like he's arriving at things that others are talking about, and they've already talked about it.

Speaker 11 Yeah, and as much as I'm on Twitter, or X as it's currently known right now, I've yet to see whatever this morning routine thing is.

Speaker 18 Like, 0% knowledge of this.

Speaker 5 I don't know what it is either.

Speaker 16 I think it's you have an Android, it just gets to you slower.

Speaker 13 Yeah, god damn it.

Speaker 11 It is not because I have an Android.

Speaker 18 It might be. Like, I guess it just, it's not in the algorithm, I guess.

Speaker 6 Well, that's why Zaz is here telling you to sprinkle a little something on Stephen A now. Like, that's getting to you early.
Take note of this.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 9 The morning routine, Billy, that you're obsessed with?

Speaker 6 Well, so there's this morning routine video that's been going around. There's lots of morning routine videos.
We do some with Nick's, kind of. That's something that we do.

Speaker 6 But there's a morning routine that's going on, and it's, I don't know what this guy does, if he's like an influencer or whatever, but like his day starts very, very early.

Speaker 6 And people are catching on to the fact that times are not necessarily adding up when he's doing things. Because it's playing now.
There's no sound on this.

Speaker 6 But it starts at like 17 a.m by 401 a.m he's out on his balcony doing push-ups as you know as one does that lasts until about 404 a.m then he's not a morning routine that's a middle-of-the-night routine well no no it's well it starts at three that look rise and grind early bird gets the worm you know what i mean zaz so he's that was you for like 20 years dude yeah well eventually i had to take a step back but yes while he's there he then puts his face in a bowl of ice water for some reason.

Speaker 6 That's good for you. He puts on his running things, a $20,000 watch from what Tony says.
He's there walking you through this video. Then at 6.20 a.m.
He leaves his apartment.

Speaker 6 He goes into the elevator at 6.23 at 6.38. He's on the treadmill until 6.52.
7.30 he's going outside for a swim. 7.31 he's there.

Speaker 4 He takes off his shoes and whoops there he goes. 7.45.

Speaker 6 7.37 he jumped at 7.40 a.m. he landed in the pool.
So he was floating in the air for about three minutes there.

Speaker 6 Then he goes back upstairs, takes another shower at 8.28 a.m. 8.35.
He dries himself off. He now is rubbing some banana on his face for so long.

Speaker 5 What are you sad about?

Speaker 6 Sits down. Oh, his face is back in a tub of ice.
And now he's having an important meeting where I think he just said, like, give me 10,000 or something like that.

Speaker 6 And now he has someone making him breakfast. And he's eating breakfast at 9.26 a.m.
And you can watch all that with sound on the social medias.

Speaker 9 Probably would have been better or worse with sound.

Speaker 7 Worse. That was way better.

Speaker 2 Billy had good play. Yeah, Billy killed it.

Speaker 15 I'm working on my play-by-play skills. Professional better.

Speaker 6 The more I do it, the better it's getting.

Speaker 9 The doing of the morning routine. And what do you so, Roy, you don't feel like you've missed anything, right?

Speaker 2 For why and for what? Seriously.

Speaker 2 What is that? Well, the sharing it or having it.

Speaker 19 I'm calling this a morning routine. This is like a man performing masculinity on the internet for other people to consume.

Speaker 19 This isn't like, ooh, I'm brushing my teeth and I'm washing my face and then I'm going to work.

Speaker 6 I think that's supposed to be motivational. Like, you're supposed to see how

Speaker 6 they rise and grind, and you see how much, like, oh, wow, while I'm sleeping, you know,

Speaker 6 this guy's doing push-ups on his balcony at 4:01 a.m. for three minutes.

Speaker 15 What's the point in waking up before 4 a.m.?

Speaker 19 You could have ended the sentence at waking up.

Speaker 9 Jeremy, can you find for me the Mark Wahlberg routine where I would imagine this is where this started?

Speaker 9 Because he's famously someone who gets up at 2:30 in the morning because you want to rise faster and grind harder than the person.

Speaker 8 Oh, you wake up before anyone.

Speaker 5 You're accomplishing so much.

Speaker 1 2:30 a.m., wake up, 2.45 a.m. Prayer time.
3.15 a.m. Breakfast.
3.40 to 5.15 a.m. Workout.
5.30 a.m. Post-workout meal.
6 a.m. shower.
7.30 a.m. golf.
So I don't, I don't, an hour.

Speaker 2 No one's impressed. Shower.

Speaker 1 No one's impressed. 8 a.m.
Snack. 9.30 a.m.
Cryo Chamber Recovery. 10.30 a.m.
Snack. 11 a.m.
Family Time Slash Meeting Slash Work Calls. 1 p.m.
Lunch. 2 p.m.
meeting slash work calls. 3 p.m.

Speaker 1 Pick up kids at school. 3.30 p.m.
snack.

Speaker 2 It's equal to 10. 4 p.m.

Speaker 1 Workout number two. 5 p.m.
shower. 5.30 p.m.
dinner slash family time. 7.30 p.m.
bedtime because his life sucks.

Speaker 5 I'm sorry. You're going to sleep at 7.30.

Speaker 5 You're right.

Speaker 5 Your life sucks. You're going to sleep at 7.30.
What are you doing?

Speaker 6 I couldn't agree with you more.

Speaker 5 7.30?

Speaker 2 Who wants to do that?

Speaker 5 And he's like a star. He's got lots of money.
He's going to bed at 7.30. Waking up at 2.30? Get over yourself.

Speaker 9 No one cares.

Speaker 5 Like, is there anyone who you say I wake up at 2.30 in the morning?

Speaker 2 Like, wow. It's awesome.

Speaker 16 I wake up at 2:30 in the morning every morning, by the way.

Speaker 9 I do think there are people that are impressed by a military lifestyle of discipline. Yes,

Speaker 9 I'm not saying that I am one of them, but I don't think that Mark Wahlberg is showing that to people because he doesn't think they're going to be impressed.

Speaker 5 But military guys don't wake up at 2:30, they wake up at 0600 hours. You know what I mean? That's 6 a.m.
That's 6 a.m. That's military time, 0600.
Don't want to confuse anyone.

Speaker 5 Inclusive show.

Speaker 9 Tony, what do you have for us?

Speaker 16 Dano, I'm glad you asked.

Speaker 12 Obviously, we've talked a little bit about the uh

Speaker 15 is that a fine there?

Speaker 19 No, it was a video of someone just sent me a Willow sleeping out there on the couch.

Speaker 2 Just making sure. Willow, just making sure.
Oh, Willow.

Speaker 13 We've got a bracket update, Dano.

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Speaker 12 Dan, it's been a very chalky bracket, right?

Speaker 16 If you look in the Midwest region, you got one, two, three, four. A lot of ones, a lot of twos, except the two that I picked, which, of course, was St.
John's. I had them in the final four.

Speaker 16 I had them beating Florida in a very exciting, you know, run for the Johnnies.

Speaker 16 Then they continued to go for, what did they go? Four for 41 on threes.

Speaker 2 Well, combined. Combined.
I mean, look at how cute that is.

Speaker 19 Come on. Yeah.

Speaker 18 I could not click play on.

Speaker 17 Shouldn't be here in the office.

Speaker 2 Zaz, do you agree with that? Whoa.

Speaker 5 That the dog shouldn't be in the office? Dog ain't bothering anybody.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 15 It's bothering somebody.

Speaker 5 I was at a brewery yesterday, and there was a dog right next to me, at the table, right next to me.

Speaker 13 Drinking beer? Sitting in the chair?

Speaker 5 Like next to my chair, lying down right, you know, right up against me. I was like, you're not bothering anybody, whatever.

Speaker 1 She's so cute.

Speaker 9 How do you feel? So you're okay with dogs.

Speaker 9 This is the first time hearing that Tony's not okay.

Speaker 16 No, I'm aligned with Amin on the fact that the dog needs to be.

Speaker 2 That's what we're doing. We're doing the show.

Speaker 5 Yeah, as long as the dog's not bothering anybody, I had no problem.

Speaker 16 Anyways, we've got number one still alive across the board. I got Duke winning it all, so I'm still in

Speaker 16 good graces there when it comes to the national championship.

Speaker 2 Why?

Speaker 6 They just wouldn't be in the top 10 places to visit.

Speaker 2 We've gone over there. Oh, that's right.

Speaker 5 I don't want to hear about the dog being an emotional support animal, though. Like, that's garbage.
Like, everybody has a dog to emotionally support you.

Speaker 5 You have a dog because having the dog makes you feel good. All right.
That's everyone. So the fact that you could bring your dog anywhere because it's an emotional support animal, that's bullshit.

Speaker 5 bullshit.

Speaker 17 I agree.

Speaker 16 I also have Michigan State in the Final Four. So the Sparties are looking good, Dano.

Speaker 12 That's the Toasted Bracket update brought to you by Jimmy Johnson.

Speaker 9 Thank you. Zaszlo, how do you feel about Florida being a favorite as someone who is a proud gator? And

Speaker 9 the best Florida run there's been was Joe Kim Noah

Speaker 9 and Horford and Billy Donovan.

Speaker 9 This is the best team since then, is it not?

Speaker 5 Yeah, and by the way, you know, we had the Cooper Flag conversation earlier. All those guys were projected lottery picks, and they all came back the very next year.
Like, that's all of them.

Speaker 5 Horford, Joke, no, Corey Brewer, they all came back the next year.

Speaker 9 Jeremy, what are you rolling your eyes?

Speaker 1 I wasn't rolling my eyes as much.

Speaker 1 It's just, it was a different time, right? Like, and those guys were not all freshmen. It wasn't the time of one and done.

Speaker 1 It was a different time in college basketball where those players all going back was ultimately good for them.

Speaker 1 And look, all the power to Cooper Flag, if that's what he decides to do, if all of those lottery picks at Duke maybe win a championship and say, let's go win another one, maybe that happens.

Speaker 1 We were talking about an individual player where I'm expecting that his teammates are going to leave too. But if you tell me that some Duke booster, you know, swoops in and is willing to give

Speaker 1 however many millions to all of those lottery picks to stick around, maybe it happens. But you're right.
UF is like the ultimate. That was the ultimate example of perfect college basketball.

Speaker 5 It was a different time, but doesn't that make it even more shocking that those guys all stayed up?

Speaker 1 Yeah, passing up on the money. You're right.

Speaker 5 And Joachim Noah, there was talk he was going to be the number one pick after 2006. He stayed.
He ended up going like number nine or whatever it was.

Speaker 9 Well, that would be my test case if I was trying to make the argument against you guys as you correctly assembled so much more money is the thing.

Speaker 9 If you went and asked Joachim Noah and Al Horford now and Corey Brewer now with whatever money they made, hey, that second year that you guys got together where you got to do it again, what was that worth?

Speaker 9 What would you pay for

Speaker 9 to have that year back? I think in the case of those three, it's an extraordinary amount of money. All their teammates might not have that money, though, and they might have a different answer.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think they certainly liked it because they gave up the year

Speaker 5 and they accomplished exactly what they set out to do. Like it worked out exactly the way that they wanted it to.

Speaker 9 Well, because they were better than everybody. This team's supposed to be better than everybody, except for Duke.

Speaker 9 Like it's the, it's the best offense in the sport in 10 years when people aren't, I mean, you can say people are good at offense, but this is by percentage, this is inefficient basketball.

Speaker 9 This is crude basketball. It's it's not even that you're never, you know, the cost of what we're talking about in making college what we've made it is.

Speaker 9 That Florida team will never exist again. Like it's not it's not even a thing that's possible.

Speaker 9 Even if Phil Knight decides he wants to make Oregon something bigger, the pros are always going to be the calling. That's dead.
It's dead forever.

Speaker 9 And a portion of college basketball gets killed with it because Cooper Flag is the name that you know, but you don't, you're never.

Speaker 9 The Duke team of Zion Williamson, where Zion was the third best recruit, that's not going to play together for three years the way it would have at UNLV Once Upon a Time.

Speaker 1 It's also dead because we just generally have more of that get that bag mentality, right, in America than we did

Speaker 1 18 years ago, ago, right?

Speaker 5 It was still pretty shocking back then.

Speaker 1 It was surprising, but it'd be way more surprising now because the kids that are playing college basketball right now were being born around then.

Speaker 1 And the way that we've shifted our conversation about individually going and getting the bag, no matter what that takes, is

Speaker 1 different than it was then. So you can motivate, hey, you guys just want a championship.
There's this collective bond over whatever. I mean, you see it in the

Speaker 1 better chance if you lose the championship.

Speaker 5 Like if Cooper Flag and Duke win this year, I don't think you even consider staying. I think if they fall short, it's like,

Speaker 5 I came here to win a championship. I'm just staying at the game.

Speaker 9 There is no consideration anymore, right? This isn't even a conversation anymore, even though you can stay in college and get millions of dollars. It ceased being a conversation.

Speaker 9 Everyone agrees that it's dumb to go back.

Speaker 5 Someone's going to do it. I don't think it's going to be Cooper Flag.
Someone's going to do it.

Speaker 13 And like at Duke this year?

Speaker 2 No, no, no. No, I don't think it's going to be this year.

Speaker 5 But someone's going to do it one day where, wow, I make enough money here. I'm not trying to play for the winner.

Speaker 9 That is a bold prediction that will never be able to call you on.

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