Local Hour: Pablo Torre Has Done It Again

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Speaker 13 I can't believe Pablo did this again. Like, you got to be shitting me.
Five o'clock in the morning, everyone's waking up.

Speaker 13 That's two o'clock in the morning for the Clippers to figure out what Pablo's going to put out.

Speaker 9 That's an excellent point.

Speaker 13 Oh, my God. No, like, they've got to be checking it.
He is so far ahead on this story.

Speaker 13 And now, what he dropped this morning, I would urge you right now, if you're listening to this, to just go listen to that.

Speaker 9 Yeah, don't listen to us.

Speaker 13 Just like, because he's got them cornered. Like, he's got a paper trail that...

Speaker 13 I guess you can contort yourself into trying to explain away that the Clippers and Ballmer were doing something that

Speaker 13 is going to take a magic dance from them in crisis and public relations to prove to the NBA that Pablo didn't just do the entire investigation that the NBA is going to have to do for the NBA.

Speaker 15 So

Speaker 15 are you speaking directly at Mark Cuban here?

Speaker 16 Is that what you're doing?

Speaker 13 Oh, no, I'm just speaking.

Speaker 6 Team Ballmer.

Speaker 13 Yeah,

Speaker 13 Team Dennis Wong now, he's going to have to tweet out because

Speaker 13 Ballmer's college roommate and the only other person who has a percentage of the clippers, Ballmer owns 99% and this guy owns 1%.

Speaker 13 His name's on the money that's going to aspiration in a way that Pablo tracks down, that is hard.

Speaker 13 It's just, it's almost impossible to ever have something that looks this much like evidence on rule breaking.

Speaker 9 Oh, thank you for doing that. Now I don't actually have to listen to Pablo's podcast.
I can keep it locked right here.

Speaker 13 What was the most shocking thing to you, Zaslow? Because

Speaker 13 seeing the tie together of there's no way that Ballmer didn't know that his college roommate and the person that he trusts with 1% of the franchise, it's just impossible to think that that person was acting alone.

Speaker 13 And I think the Clippers might need him as a scapegoat.

Speaker 15 I don't know if it's shocking, but the most interesting part to me, because I'm obviously rooting for Pablo in this spot, the most interesting part to me was

Speaker 15 the timeline where on this date, they have no money. They're laying people off.
On On this date, Uncle Dennis, where's my money?

Speaker 15 And on this date, all of a sudden, this Dennis Jay Wong comes swooping in with his $1.99 million dollar payment. And then the timeline of right after that, Kawhi gets his $1.99 million.

Speaker 13 There's never this kind of paper trail.

Speaker 13 Usually people in this position of power, seventh richest man in the world. I told you about Prokhorov on 60 Minutes, no computer.

Speaker 13 They can keep a long, long distance that will give them the ability to deny things. But one of the reasons I think this one's so interesting is at least in part because this isn't illegal.

Speaker 13 It's just illegal according to the NBA. And why does Ballmer have to play by their rules? Like, I know they have a construct in the country club, but clearly he's like, yeah, I don't, okay,

Speaker 9 you know, the rules, whatever.

Speaker 13 They're your rules, but there's not something illegal here that I'm doing. I'm just breaking the rules of the NBA.
It's illegal according to the NBA.

Speaker 13 It's not going to cause me any ramifications outside of the rules of the NBA.

Speaker 9 It's just sad, right?

Speaker 1 Like you bring in your friends and your trusted, like closest people, and then they betray you like this. Like you don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 1 They put you in these impossible spots and now you have to answer for what your friend did.

Speaker 15 He's got to sit there and sweat under the lights with Ramona Shelburne. Tough.

Speaker 1 Does Pablo have a sports calendar? Like, does he not know tonight's commies, Packers?

Speaker 9 What a game, Billy.

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Speaker 13 I will get to the stuff in sports and locally, and Pablo Torre dropping another Pablo on the Clippers with with a 5 a.m. release this morning that is

Speaker 13 really damning and you have to contort yourself in order to try and figure out how to defend the Clippers.

Speaker 13 I would not want to be in their PR crisis meetings on their learning things through Pablo that are being chased at 2 o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 21 And Pablo is so far ahead of this story and has all the documentation on it.

Speaker 13 We'll get to that in just a second.

Speaker 15 Pablo flew all the way to Bristol the next day last time.

Speaker 9 Where is he flying today?

Speaker 13 Well, Billy doesn't believe that. Billy thinks it was an L.A.
studio.

Speaker 9 I think it was Bristol.

Speaker 16 Ramona lives in L.A.

Speaker 1 Ramona flew to Bristol also?

Speaker 15 They don't have those studios anymore.

Speaker 1 They do have it for the NBA show still. They canceled Sports Center, but it was reported they still do the NBA show.

Speaker 6 Pablo said in the episode, like, we made him fly across the country.

Speaker 9 I don't know why you refuse to believe the journalism behind him flying to Bristol.

Speaker 1 I don't believe that he flew to Bristol.

Speaker 13 There are plenty people questioning.

Speaker 1 Show me the the flight log.

Speaker 15 You and Cuban are in on this together, it sounds like.

Speaker 9 Also, that's like an insignificant portion of this story. I know, but you're really hung up on it.

Speaker 1 And while there are, no, I mean, you guys pointed out, I didn't point it out. I just said one time.
I don't think he flew to Bristol. I think he did it in the LA studio.

Speaker 9 I don't think it's once. I'm reporting that exclusively.

Speaker 1 Okay, we can get hung up on this if you want.

Speaker 13 So, just to be clear, because I believe the reason that he's reporting that part of the story is simply to point out that the seventh richest man in the world doesn't have to dance to crisis very often.

Speaker 13 And he's in trouble because when you hear this episode, you'll be like, oh my God, this is even clearer than it was before that they are shrouded and engulfed.

Speaker 13 And we'll call it circumstantial evidence, but it's as close to documentation and a paper trail as I've ever seen on something that looks like this.

Speaker 13 And we're talking about an amount of money that's extraordinary, but we will get into that story.

Speaker 13 It's again going to be the biggest story in sports of the day, but please turn down that sound for a second.

Speaker 1 There is commies and Packers tonight, Defense.

Speaker 13 Yeah, you mentioned that. But mood of the country and

Speaker 13 on the 24th anniversary of 9-11, which I'm going to say is the last time I felt quite like this in terms of just horrified and sad about the state of America.

Speaker 13 And I will not make today about gun control, and I won't make today about politics.

Speaker 13 I'm simply going to tell you that when Charlie Kirk is assassinated like that, and I'm watching it on the internet, and as horrifying a thing as you will see.

Speaker 15 It might be the worst thing I've ever seen.

Speaker 13 It's as horrifying a thing as you will see on the internet, and without even knowing yet the suspect, I can tell you this much.

Speaker 13 That was precision on killing someone in a way that maybe that person could have gotten to a hospital, but I feel like that was dead if he had landed on the operating table right behind him just because of the precision of what happened there.

Speaker 9 So totally horrifying thing to watch.

Speaker 13 And I don't know

Speaker 13 which feeling is stronger inside of me, sad or scared.

Speaker 13 Because I know, because what happens immediately after that, because we're so connected to the internet, because people are so lonely, and because there's like a lack of humanity in the air, whether it's a healthcare CEO killed in the street,

Speaker 13 everything's a video game, everything's a cartoon, you're disconnected from humanity in a way that you see a snuff film like that, it's horrifying, and immediately the conversation that starts, it's either about gun control or right and left.

Speaker 13 And it's like, no, that's where we are.

Speaker 13 That's where we are as a country where we're going to start, I'm not going to say normalizing that, but we did this with the healthcare CEO where all of a sudden the conversation afterward, everything's content.

Speaker 13 It feels like I'm living in natural-born killers. Like the movie Natural Born Killers with Woody Harrelson,

Speaker 13 Oliver Stone, it feels like I'm living inside of it.

Speaker 15 Like, you didn't know if you were sad or mad. It made me sad the whole thing.
And by the way, like seeing the actual video of it 1,000% adds to the horror of it.

Speaker 15 Like if we only had the video, that far away video, which was the first one that I saw, it's like, holy shit.

Speaker 15 But then when you see the other videos, it's a completely different story than at that point.

Speaker 15 And then I became mad throughout the day yesterday because I just I just don't understand the whole reaction. Ah, well, you know, you weren't upset when that happened.

Speaker 15 You weren't upset when that happened. And that went from me to being like sad about this man and the family.
And it made me mad, just a lot of the reaction I saw.

Speaker 9 People like to disassociate when things like this happen. We don't have video off and it makes it easy to disassociate.
That's what that looks like.

Speaker 9 And I'm also scared too because they apprehended two people and they released them. This is, as Dan mentioned, this was a very dangerous individual that is still at large.

Speaker 9 And the longer this thing goes without a suspect in custody, the crazier the online theories will get, the worse the rhetoric will get, the more kooky theories people apply to this.

Speaker 9 And it's a scary time, no doubt.

Speaker 15 I don't normally do this. I, you know, my son, my younger son sent me, and my younger son's 13.
He, he, we love watching South Park together.

Speaker 15 So he knows who Charlie Kirk is because they had an episode this season centered around Charlie Kirk. And so my son sends me a message.
He's at the gym. He sees it on.

Speaker 15 He goes, you know, Charlie Kirk is dead. And I wrote him back and I said, have you seen the video? And he said, I have not.
And I said, and I don't normally do this.

Speaker 15 We're pretty liberal in our house as far as what information we share and what we talk about.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 I told my son, I go, I'd prefer you didn't watch the video. And so to today, I don't, I think he's listened to me.
I don't think he's seen it yet.

Speaker 13 I will also say, by context, because I don't want to be prisoner of the moment, as I'm talking about the 24 years between 9-11 and this, there is daily horrifying video coming out.

Speaker 13 of Gaza and there is plenty on the internet that is horrifying. And I think a lot of people react to it in much the same way that they react to what they just saw with Charlie Kirk, because

Speaker 13 it feels like we're in a simulation here where things that you're watching in video, they're like, that can't be so. That's something out of the movies.
That's something out of cartoons.

Speaker 13 That's something out of

Speaker 13 computer artificial intelligence where

Speaker 13 things that you're watching on video that become so very real leave you with a film on you that you can't quite get off of you.

Speaker 9 I mean, the dialogue around this,

Speaker 9 it's going political.

Speaker 9 I mean, cable news is a wasteland right now. I think everybody had the same pit in their stomach.
And some progressives had a pit in their stomach for different reasons.

Speaker 9 Conservatives, this guy represented a movement for some people. This one's connecting more with people, I guess, because of the video, that is inescapable.
I know people, I'm very close to people.

Speaker 9 I know people too. I know I'm very close to people that have tried.
to avoid this video and they open up IG and it's the first video. It's so bad.

Speaker 13 It's so I didn't I didn't think it was real at first.

Speaker 15 I thought, okay, I saw the one video where it's from far away. Okay, now I'm seeing this one that's close.
I was, I thought maybe it was doctored for just sensationalist purposes.

Speaker 9 It's inescapable and the pit in my stomach isn't just for the person, his family, but also knowing what was going to follow.

Speaker 9 Knowing the toxicity around it, knowing that it's only going to further division, knowing that it's going to be used because he is going to be made into a martyr already.

Speaker 13 There already are t-shirts and he already has been martyred and it needs to be pointed out and doesn't have to be a trilogy because this is horrifying and

Speaker 13 you don't want to go too soon with some of this stuff.

Speaker 13 But he has also said an enormous number of heinous things or did say an enormous number of heinous things and was a divider who was in support of white men and very little else.

Speaker 13 And that's, you know, whether you want to believe funded by billionaires, whether you want to believe that this was somebody who actually believed what he said or didn't believe what he said, it is so that he was basically espousing viewpoints the entirety of his famed life that were anti-everything except white men.

Speaker 13 That is context here without making it any worse than it already is.

Speaker 9 They're still tragic.

Speaker 13 Yeah, and still, and still a human being, just like the healthcare CEO was a human being. And the delight and the celebration of seeing that video is something that I cannot get behind.

Speaker 18 And Mike, Mike mentioned, too, like his family had two young kids.

Speaker 19 And the fact that you grow up with a very

Speaker 18 a very quick look at the way your father was murdered online when you get to a certain age or when you go to school and you're like oh you're Charlie Kirk's kids like did you see the way he got killed yeah that's their life let me go show you how your dad was murdered in 4k like that's something that those kids and that family has to live with forever in a way that nobody can really understand

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Speaker 13 We are going to talk to Senator Mark Kelly about this later, and I don't know how to exactly segue out of that into the nonsense that we do every day.

Speaker 13 So I will do so clumsily, and I will tell you again before we get to Darren Waller and how soon people are going to be booing on Sunday if the Dolphins go three and out on the first drive.

Speaker 13 I do want to get back to Pablo's story today because once again, with his parasol and his rhythmic gymnastics ribbon, he dances around for 25 minutes at the top of an episode before telling you what the news is that he's got.

Speaker 13 He put all

Speaker 13 he put all of the news of his latest information.

Speaker 13 He put it toward the back end of the episode. David Sampson will be here.
He was with Amin.

Speaker 13 It's a great combination of people that he has because there's some real expertise there on basketball and business that helps walk Pablo through some stuff that makes what could be difficult subject matter entertaining.

Speaker 13 But Zaz, what were your takeaways today with the 5 a.m. Pablo drop of Pablo Torrey finds out?

Speaker 15 Oh, I mean, my biggest takeaway was

Speaker 15 I can't believe that we actually found, like there was pretty good what I would say evidence in the first episode and we maybe have even better evidence in this one so I didn't expect that and that being that there's only one minority owner with the Clippers and he owns one percent that's it but this is very rare in sports you usually have a lot of minority owners all right Steve Bomber owns 99 what do you mean by minority you know what I mean and this guy wong he he's a close friend the closest friend of Steve Balmer, apparently, from back in school.

Speaker 9 College roommate.

Speaker 15 And he owns the only other 1%.

Speaker 13 Those two details there,

Speaker 13 those two particular details, I don't know which one's more damning. I think it's 1975.

Speaker 13 College roommate is more damning than, and he owns only 1% of the Clippers, but is the only one who owns another percent of the clippers.

Speaker 6 And Wong claimed to know nothing about Aspiration while his daughter, who works very hard, works at Aspiration. Right.

Speaker 1 Well, there you go. He was supporting his daughter's company.

Speaker 15 Well, that would be the counter, which makes sense coming from you. You're a team bomber.

Speaker 4 Just say you're team bomber.

Speaker 9 What do you mean? You're a team bomber. You know what I mean.
Listen, all I know is this.

Speaker 1 You guys have relationships with Ramona. You could very easily text her and say, hey, where'd you conduct that interview? And for some reason, you guys are not doing that.

Speaker 13 Okay, but it's 6 o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 9 So I don't know if this is part of the cover-up or what's going on. I thought she was in Bristol.

Speaker 13 Okay, I'm going to do it right now, and I'm going to get you an answer. And let's see.
That's a good. Before the end of the show, let's make sure that Dan Levittard finds out.

Speaker 13 No, Billy Gill finds out that Pablo Torre found found out wrong. We can have another.

Speaker 1 I'm not here to discredit people. I'm here for the truth.

Speaker 9 That would undercut the whole story.

Speaker 4 I mean, if that was an act of dumb, yes.

Speaker 9 Like, because if that's untrue.

Speaker 13 It would undercut his priority.

Speaker 1 I hope Adam Silver's not listening because this whole thing may fall apart.

Speaker 15 Adam Silver, you want to talk about head in the sand.

Speaker 9 Yeah, this is definitely a test for Adam Silver. In this episode, we learned that at the Board of Governors meeting that they had.

Speaker 15 What's the test? Are you the Saltist Commissioner or are you definitely the Salftist Commissioner?

Speaker 9 Well, they didn't mention this in front of the board of governors and it led to side conversations. Here's an interesting bit of circumstantial evidence.

Speaker 9 We all know this is hard to parse because Kawhi Leonard is so often injured, but the game logs from that season are pretty damning because before he received the alleged payment, he only played in seven of 27 games and then December 10th rolls around.

Speaker 9 And then he's good for 45 of the 55 games. He goes from 26% of the games played that season to 82%.

Speaker 9 But the thing about that is, like, he got healthy.

Speaker 6 He's getting paid like $40 million.

Speaker 1 So you're telling me his paycheck's not enough, but that $1.2 million from the tree company is like, well, now I'm going to earn the rest of my life.

Speaker 13 $1.75 million.

Speaker 9 Here's where I'll buck up against it because it's not about the $1.7 million. It's about the totality of the deal and the integrity of that.

Speaker 9 We had this side deal, and you guys aren't coming through on that. So while, yeah, in a vacuum, $40 is so much more than $1.7.
No, no, no. We had a deal.
You're supposed to give me me payments.

Speaker 9 It's bookie logic here.

Speaker 13 Let me backtrack for a second because what is now happening as reporters chase this story is Bruce Arthur in Toronto.

Speaker 13 I can't wait till they get to the San Antonio reporters because we still don't know the details on why he left San Antonio or how because he speaks so little. This is a perfect mystery.

Speaker 13 on guy who's straight commerce and has a representative who does not care about what your structure is because Toronto is saying that they they were asking for all sorts of things, ownerships of maple leaves.

Speaker 15 Wanted to own the maple leaf.

Speaker 13 They were just kept asking for stuff. And it's really comically amusing when you think of it this way.

Speaker 9 The thought of Kawhi Leonard being brought in on whether or not they should re-sign Mitch Marner.

Speaker 13 When you think of a guy from the inner city, with giant hands and an uncle as a representative, walking through these rich rooms silently because he doesn't speak and is a mystery.

Speaker 13 And says, and he's doing like, did you guys ever see when Michael Jackson went to Las Vegas and just started buying everything in one of the gift shops for a million dollars, it cost a million dollars and he just went around pointing at everything.

Speaker 9 That gift shop's still there and they have the video of him doing the thing.

Speaker 13 Kawhi Leonard is walking into the structure of rich people want me, I'm a champion, I'm LeBron, but I'm not going to play it like LeBron. Uncle Dennis, get in there.

Speaker 9 Ask for what?

Speaker 9 Everything.

Speaker 13 Everything.

Speaker 9 I want Canada.

Speaker 13 I want to own a portion of Canada. Just keep asking rich people for something and look at what Ballmer would do because he wants to be relevant in sports with his plaything.

Speaker 9 So we have a player who, like, it was well documented as it was happening, by the way, that he was asking for things that circumvented the salary cap.

Speaker 9 And I guess we were all okay with that because surely when he finally signs a contract, they'll abide by the rules. So now you have all this reporting from Toronto.

Speaker 9 We recall what he was asking for from the Lakers. And now you have this story.
So he signed with a team.

Speaker 9 While he was asking for all of that other stuff, while they were pursuing him, he landed on a team. And you have pretty strong evidence to suggest he had a side deal and there was circumvention.

Speaker 9 And now, furthermore, I think this episode is even more damning than the initial report because of the paper trail that you alluded to.

Speaker 9 The very tight circle that Steve Ballmer has.

Speaker 15 Like you never had an actual bank statement from Steve Ballmer. You now have a bank statement, okay,

Speaker 15 which is registered to this Dennis Jay Wong's LLP. Like literally him.
It's a bank statement from his company.

Speaker 1 I get that this is like juicy and there's all of this information and evidence, but...

Speaker 1 What's the ultimate punishment? Do you think they're going to take the clippers from Steve Ballmer? Or is this just going to be like a hefty fine? Because if it's a hefty fine, then like...

Speaker 13 No, no, no, it won't be just a fine.

Speaker 1 this this kind of profit it's not a crime that's being committed if taxes were paid on this and all of that then this wasn't like they were evading anything

Speaker 13 just nba rules who cares but but uh the nba is going to come down hard on him you mentioned the board of governors meeting and again i if you're just joining us pablo tore finds out has unleashed another pablo

Speaker 13 this morning and i don't think it's as damning as the original episode and the original news.

Speaker 13 But I do think it feels now that we have all of the context and information, it does feel like this is closer to

Speaker 13 being the truth than whatever felt like the bullshit of spin that Ballmer was trying to do with Ramona Shelburne in either Los Angeles or Bristol. We have not confirmed that yet.
Bristol.

Speaker 9 Dan, I wanted to make something apparently clear.

Speaker 9 Abundantly clear. My bad.

Speaker 18 I'm doing a Tony finds out about Pablo's finds out.

Speaker 9 Pablo. Is that so?

Speaker 18 I'm working on a little bit of a theory here.

Speaker 17 And I think what this is, is Pablo's hate for a specific person. Well, no, because I wrote it upside down.

Speaker 2 So, Dan, go with me here for a second.

Speaker 2 What does Pablo like more than anything?

Speaker 17 Attention. Being right about something.

Speaker 13 Well, that's close, but attention.

Speaker 1 That's telling people he went to Harvard.

Speaker 9 Now, hold on.

Speaker 2 Now you're close.

Speaker 17 You're getting closer, Billy.

Speaker 9 All right.

Speaker 2 So Pablo's one true love, himself being right in 15,000 words or more, right?

Speaker 18 What does that make you think of? Oh, the one time that he wrote that 20,000-word piece about the process.

Speaker 17 Okay, so Pablo loves the process, right?

Speaker 18 Kid born in New York City, all of a sudden becomes a Philly fan.

Speaker 9 What's that about?

Speaker 9 All right.

Speaker 18 Now we go a little bit further up.

Speaker 17 Who killed the process?

Speaker 9 Joel and Bede's knees.

Speaker 13 Ben Simmons.

Speaker 9 Close, close.

Speaker 18 The shot that Kawhi Leonard hit.

Speaker 5 And all of a sudden, Tony

Speaker 9 all of a sudden, wait a second, Pablo's like, I hate him. Yeah.
Why? Not because of the Sixers.

Speaker 9 Because I'm wrong about the Sixers.

Speaker 9 The process is dead now. Who killed him, Kawhi Leonard?

Speaker 2 But here's the issue.

Speaker 9 What?

Speaker 18 And this is why he had to go after somebody he likes.

Speaker 9 Ballmer. Where'd Ballmer go to school?

Speaker 9 Uh-oh. Harvard.
Okay.

Speaker 4 O-M-G.

Speaker 17 They stick together, right?

Speaker 4 Their Harvard guys stick together.

Speaker 9 But Pablo's hatred for Kawhi Leonard turned Steve Ballmer into collateral damage at the Harvard Club that now he cannot join together with Pablo, right?

Speaker 2 Like they can't be in the Harvard Club at the same time.

Speaker 9 So he was collateral. The conspiracy falls apart a little bit after the Kawhi shot.

Speaker 9 You were on your way to becoming Harvard. He's still finding out.

Speaker 1 He hasn't said that he found it.

Speaker 4 It's collateral damage.

Speaker 9 He's still finding out damage. Thank you.

Speaker 4 Admittedly, you shouldn't have added the last part.

Speaker 9 Yes, that's the...

Speaker 9 About the Harvard Club?

Speaker 13 He did have us, and then you were on your way to becoming Alex Honest, and then your conspiracy theory all fell apart uh I want to get he used the voice modulator again he's got good sources inside of Aspiration Pablo does

Speaker 13 and I I forgive me perhaps uh rising corporate giant uh Zaslow has more familiarity with business than I do I don't know what an LLP is what is an LLP it's well there's an LLC which I have

Speaker 13 a businessman and then there's also an LLP so wait you're a journalist, you're a lawyer, you're a judge, you're a

Speaker 14 race war expert, and you're a businessman.

Speaker 22 Yeah, I have an LLC.

Speaker 4 He's a business man.

Speaker 13 A businessman? So LLP, I don't know what that is.

Speaker 15 There's LLC and there's LLP.

Speaker 9 What is LLC, Dan?

Speaker 13 Limited Liability Corporation.

Speaker 9 What's LLP now? A longer album.

Speaker 9 Limited Liability Partnership.

Speaker 9 Okay.

Speaker 13 Thank you, Zazzlo. I appreciate your expertise in this matter.
I already did find out.

Speaker 9 The Harvard Club thing, there's something there, Dan.

Speaker 18 I'm going to keep working.

Speaker 13 You guys will be surprised to know that even though Zaslow has been someone, everyone's noticed around here and elsewhere.

Speaker 13 Everyone in the media, everyone's noticing that Zaslow is making a mark and they're noticing Zaslow. And Zaszlo's rising up in the media and at our company.

Speaker 13 And the other day, for the first time, he was interacting with our COO via email. I introduced them.
And so

Speaker 13 our COO's name

Speaker 13 is Bimmel

Speaker 13 and Bimmel

Speaker 13 Bimmel Bimmel is spelled simply B-I-M-A-L I don't know what's going on with Zaszlo's spell check I don't know what's going on with his eyes and his reading he only wrote a sentence by way of introduction to meeting Bimmel and it the way that it begins is instead of hi Bimmel hi

Speaker 13 Himalayan

Speaker 13 unfortunate autocorrect didn't even notice it he didn't Zaszlo sent it without even noticing. I'm introducing the two of them to each other by email, and Zaszlo starts the introduction.

Speaker 13 Second word in, it took him two syllables to screw it up. Hi, Himalayan, which would be a better name.

Speaker 15 And I sent it.

Speaker 9 I don't think so. I think Himalayan is a bit more like a sound.
It's a better name. Or it's a better name for

Speaker 9 a carnival ride. Yeah.

Speaker 15 It's so embarrassing.

Speaker 13 If I told you right now, if I told you right now, there's a new star quarterback, and his name is Himalayan Dart.

Speaker 9 well that's the dart thing

Speaker 9 i mean dart is sick

Speaker 15 well dart works and i got an email back like later in the day or the next day or just just start with himalayan great names oh my god i was mortifying it's an executive with this company hey just keep it moving we make mistakes around here and we uh sink into them Hey, listeners, it's Mike.

Speaker 9 Hey, Billy Gill. Hey.
Hey, Billy, as a proud member of your inner circle, remember when we were hanging out last weekend?

Speaker 24 Oh, yeah, fishtail fishtail palms.

Speaker 9 Fishtail palms, great memories we made, kids playing in the pool and in our hands, a nice ice-cold can of Miller Light.

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Speaker 16 I know, but it was so cold in my hand.

Speaker 9 We took that first sip. It was crisp.
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Speaker 16 Hell yeah. We fist bumped.

Speaker 9 Whether it's, we actually really did. Whether it's that touchdown.

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Speaker 16 Don Lebatard.

Speaker 4 I think I would have been on his side.

Speaker 9 I would have looked at you like, what did you say?

Speaker 9 I'm telling you, me and my friend, the rest of the way home, all we kept saying was, I ain't cheating. Stugats.
It's like, why did you get your ass?

Speaker 13 I think he got your ass.

Speaker 9 I got his ass.

Speaker 8 Hey, Chris won this one for sure.

Speaker 9 Not pathetic. That's your valy, Jeremy.
Valy. It was great.

Speaker 16 This is the Don Lebatar show with his two guys.

Speaker 13 Speaking of mistakes, I may be wrong about Darren Wall.

Speaker 1 You won't know until he plays. So you have that going.
So he'll never know. Yeah, you may never know.

Speaker 15 He will never know.

Speaker 13 Didn't Will Fuller famously get a deal here where he just signed a deal and then just never played and collected the check?

Speaker 9 10 million.

Speaker 6 Byron Jones did it.

Speaker 9 Odell.

Speaker 15 Yeah, Odell is pretty much in that category.

Speaker 13 I got to tell you, this is a better way to do it than Kawhi Leonard.

Speaker 13 It's a better way to do the no-show job.

Speaker 15 Kawhi's looking at it and saying, that dude, that dude,

Speaker 9 he's got this down.

Speaker 9 Kawhi knows nothing about being paid by a team and not showing up.

Speaker 13 How does this go for Darren Waller, where a week ago they told us he might be ready for next week and now it's like he might be out all year?

Speaker 15 Well, it's not even that a week ago yesterday,

Speaker 15 mcdaniel said that he's he's on track to play week one but it was we held him out strategically from practicing wednesday because we this that's part of our plan

Speaker 13 and then when the injury report comes out the next day he's out hip injury like mcdaniel's just straight up lying just straight up lying his hips do lie

Speaker 13 Do you guys believe that the booing is possible in the first series of game two? Do you believe believe that we will?

Speaker 13 What is the earliest we will hear?

Speaker 1 Coin toss. They lose the coin toss, and they're going to hear it, I think.
There's carryover. They haven't seen this team yet at home, so there's going to be carryover.
Those fans are waiting to boo.

Speaker 1 They will take any opportunity they can to boo. When they take the field, they won't, though.

Speaker 9 They

Speaker 9 might. They might.

Speaker 9 If Chris Greer's on the field doing a presentation to someone, it better be an Army vet because if not, he is getting booed.

Speaker 13 Billy, you've been around this team long enough now.

Speaker 13 When I'm trying to provide the context yesterday of never remembering outside of Fiedler and Feely, first half of first game of Wanstedt, this is clearly the end. Everyone knows it's the end.

Speaker 13 They've been howling all season, and the coach panics and makes a quarterback change at halftime. of the first game because they don't have a quarterback.

Speaker 13 Do you think I have the proper context when I say that it's never been this around the Dolphins, that in your lifetime,

Speaker 13 this early, it's never been what we're headed to in game two, where you're going to see the planes and the frustration bubbled over with the worst week one performance that any team in the sport had.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to remember the exact circumstances, but don't forget there was the time that in the preseason practice game that was just for season ticket holders, they were chanting for Kyle Orton while the quarterback was on the field.

Speaker 13 The whole Cam Cameron years was something that, I mean, 1 in 15 was horrible.

Speaker 9 I just don't remember it being horrible.

Speaker 13 Where I'm wondering, are they going to boo the first drive of the season? At home.

Speaker 6 That's where you're nailing it. This early in the season, I don't think there's a comp because don't doubt how sad and beaten down we've been over time.

Speaker 6 Like we've been this sad many a time, but it's usually later in the season.

Speaker 1 It's touched on her bus, by the way, on that first drive, too, because like even if they settle for a field goal on like fourth and two, the boo-birds will come out on a field goal.

Speaker 9 She's got a missed field written all over it that first drive.

Speaker 14 A missed field goal.

Speaker 6 A good drive down the field

Speaker 6 end up at the 10-yard line. It's a fourth and short.
He goes for it. Doesn't get it.
There's no booze there.

Speaker 9 He's right about that. If you go for it, no booze.

Speaker 6 A good drive down the field, fourth and two. We're not kicking a field goal.

Speaker 9 We're going for it.

Speaker 15 Okay, so what's...

Speaker 16 And they fail.

Speaker 9 Yeah. No, but then they're

Speaker 9 booed if they're failing.

Speaker 6 It's a good drive down the field. The booze will come the second drive over that.

Speaker 13 Put it on the poll, Juju, at Lebatard show. Over, under,

Speaker 13 on when Dolphin fans begin booing.

Speaker 13 One and a half drives.

Speaker 9 One and a half

Speaker 9 drives. It may happen before they even get the ball.

Speaker 1 If they are defending first and they give up a touchdown, it'll start. I'm going over there.

Speaker 15 No, no, booze have to be with the offense on.

Speaker 13 No, that'll be an under, though, Billy. If it starts before they get the ball, then

Speaker 1 it's under, but I'm saying we're saying it'll be their first drive. It may be less than that.

Speaker 15 I'm saying I don't believe that anyone boos unless it's something to do with the offense.

Speaker 1 I want to go. Boos are coming in the intros, probably.

Speaker 9 I like Mike McDaniel. We've interviewed him.
Seems like a nice guy. I don't root for his demise at all.
I want it to work out for him. I really do.
But my mind.

Speaker 9 Are there people you root for their demise? Yes, plenty.

Speaker 9 I can't. You wanted to whisper some popularity?

Speaker 22 Are you kidding me?

Speaker 9 I got a list. Whole list.
Anyways,

Speaker 9 I like Mike McDaniel. Want him to keep his job.

Speaker 9 But I am also really interested in what happens if they lose this game to Mike Rabel in his first year and Drake May in his second year because I just don't see a scenario in which they're 0-2 with a loss at home to the New England Patriots, a team that every Dolphin fan assumed they'd be better than.

Speaker 9 Someone has to go.

Speaker 6 Can I make the argument, though, if we lose this game to the Patriots, that's it on the season. We want the first overall pick.
You almost want to be bad.

Speaker 6 You keep McDaniel and just like, yes, this is the best.

Speaker 9 This is why I think the move is you get rid of Tyreek Hill. Because out of, I mean, maybe you could argue you get rid of Greer because we can keep things moving.
We don't need a GM all that much.

Speaker 15 No way Ross does that.

Speaker 13 Let me just, I do want to say to you guys, like, I understand that when something looks like this and feels like this you're gonna go straight to the top of the food chain and blame I've seen that guy do what he did when he had the pieces healthy and

Speaker 13 turned Raheem Mostert into someone who had 18 touchdowns. You can sit here and lament how bad a coach you think he is.

Speaker 13 He's getting collateral damage on architecture here that is an owner and a GM who have been failing for a long time. And maybe a different coach would make it look different.

Speaker 13 Brian Flores made it look a little more competent. But what I saw Sunday in terms of offensive line and defensive line play, there wasn't a coach who was going to fix what was happening there.

Speaker 13 There's not, that was not a matter of scheme. That was a matter of a defense that doesn't have enough pressure up front, can't guard anybody in the back playing against a team that was well coached.

Speaker 13 But I don't think that that is coaching. Wait, I don't.

Speaker 13 Wait, Dan, are the pieces that much worse this year than they were the year previous and the year previous to that because the team is getting worse offensively they're definitely not different but the quarterback is different mike i have seen this coach put together a scheme of bandages when some of the pieces are healthy to win hill chief among them and you see that the offense does things and again mostert scores 18 touchdowns dan lebetard No one on this show was more on the record about liking Mike McDaniel.

Speaker 9 He is not without blame. The things that you're mentioning.

Speaker 13 I'm not saying he's without blame. I'm just saying that he's not the top of the list.
He's just the top of the organization. So that's where the blame will go.

Speaker 9 I think the scapegoat, the obvious one here is Tyreek Hill. The vibes are toxic around him.
You could say, like, look, we tried to change the culture with Tyreek, but he's the culture issue.

Speaker 9 And it's the one guy, even like, well, Greer, maybe. But if you get rid of Tyreek Hill, the fan base might be like, okay, we can still be good now that we got this out of our huddle.

Speaker 15 I hear what you're saying. It's an easy way, especially if KC also 0-2 after this week.

Speaker 1 It's not that easy, though, because you have to take the money into it and how much he's making and how much cap room your team has, what the nice cap hit would be for you.

Speaker 9 No, you're right about that.

Speaker 1 No, it's not just like, you want him for number three, here you go. Like, it doesn't work

Speaker 15 anyway. No, you're right.
But the easy part, which I think is what Mike is getting at, is

Speaker 15 it's like a stay of execution where it's, hey, Give us a little time. We just got rid of another toxic element and it buys you another couple weeks to maybe look better on the field.

Speaker 13 The thing though that we're doing to McDaniel, and again please do not take this as a defense of McDaniel, but one of the reasons that that job can be unpleasant as head coach is when you are the face and the voice of a team every day People notice the general manager less and less.

Speaker 13 And so Chris Greer cannot get what it is that McDaniel gets because he's not a face and a voice that you're looking at all the time.

Speaker 13 But he's more responsible for what we're presently witnessing than the coach.

Speaker 13 I've seen this coach be good, and you can say that he's since been addressed or that or undressed or that he can't make adjustments to the adjustments the moment that his quarterback's head scrambled or his receiver's a little bit slower.

Speaker 13 But I've seen him score 70. I've seen the offense look like it's never looked.
I've seen Mostert put up 18 touchdowns as a pretty disposable running back.

Speaker 13 And so I'm not going to say that he's the top. top of the blame here.

Speaker 9 But I mean, Chris Greer can take credit for that. Tyreek Hill can take credit for scoring 70 points.
I've seen them all individually and collectively be good at the exact same time.

Speaker 9 But if they fall to 0-2, someone must pay.

Speaker 13 I can't dispute that. And I want to, before we get out of the local hour, celebrate that Billy Gill and Shula Bowl Week is here.
Billy Gill is a broadcaster for FIU. He is a

Speaker 13 he is somebody whose voice is different than I would say just about anybody in sports broadcasting.

Speaker 1 Like on sound of my voice?

Speaker 9 Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 5 I got a normal voice, I think.

Speaker 9 I got a

Speaker 9 normal.

Speaker 13 I meant in content,

Speaker 13 but also in voice. Here's some Billy Gill FIU broadcast.

Speaker 9 It's a big one this week, Dan. You're going to come?

Speaker 9 Pipple is tweeting about it.

Speaker 13 I want to hear more about it after we play a little assortment of you on the first game broadcast.

Speaker 26 I believe that Central Michigan game last year, Corey, you described as one of the biggest games in program history. And I'll stand by that.
Okay.

Speaker 27 Fair catch by Jean-Pierre. He's contacted and goes down.

Speaker 27 A youthful mistake for the Wildcats.

Speaker 26 Yep, and a fan in the stands has a whistle that they sure do, and they are right in front of us.

Speaker 9 So you'll be hearing that.

Speaker 27 Please note, all whistles heard on FIU Sports.com are not official. We will let you know when one is.

Speaker 27 Joke about time zones, but ultimately, you're closer to Japan than you are to Fort Lauderdale.

Speaker 9 I'm going to say that. I'm not going to like that.

Speaker 26 I never had considered it, right? You see it on a map and you're like, ah, it's far, but I didn't, you know, I've never drawn a line to see what it's closer to.

Speaker 26 And really, I mean, how much different could Hawaii possibly be from, you know, Keybiscaine?

Speaker 27 Hawaii and Biscayne. Many have said basically the exact same thing.

Speaker 26 Some people call Keeba Scain the Maui of Florida.

Speaker 27 A familiar name. The McLean game sees him then transfer to UCF.
And now, here with Bethune Cookman, his first drive.

Speaker 26 McLean.

Speaker 26 I have to rip up all my notes. I wasn't prepared for this, Corey.

Speaker 27 Be along here on ESP. Oh, there it it is.
That's the first time that's happened.

Speaker 9 Ever.

Speaker 27 Happy to have you here on FYU Sports.com. Ball is up.
Corey Brooks, Billy Gill with you.

Speaker 26 Hey, what are we doing in our volleyball game?

Speaker 13 Home opener?

Speaker 27 It's next weekend. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Goldie and I will be in Penn State.

Speaker 26 Goldie and I.

Speaker 22 Wait, are you cheating on me?

Speaker 15 Goldie and I.

Speaker 22 I thought we had an open relationship. Wait a minute.

Speaker 28 Oh, no.

Speaker 26 You know what? I'm going to call Kim Boat Gamper. We're going to do something together next weekend.

Speaker 26 The opposing broadcast is saying that ball was too far ahead and they didn't have a chance at that play. Gotta tell you.
Let you know if I hear it.

Speaker 27 You're gonna be biased both ways here in the radio booth.

Speaker 26 Hey, I think that's what I said. You said immaculate.
Okay. I was just kind of agreeing with his co-signing.

Speaker 28 Feels like good is a downgrade.

Speaker 26 Okay, fine. Sorry.
Great vibes. The best vibes I've ever had about.

Speaker 27 Legal bullying the FYU fans. Vibes not high.

Speaker 9 Grant Toe.

Speaker 27 Cain Saw Cheney and the other stuff for the Panthers.

Speaker 26 Love that nickname.

Speaker 27 I gotta tell you, if you have 6, 7, 320 coming at you on a blitz, I don't blame you for throwing it away.

Speaker 26 That's the stuff of nightmares.

Speaker 27 I'd be throwing that all the way to West Palm Beach, given the circumstance.

Speaker 26 I don't think you could throw it that far, but I get your point.

Speaker 27 That Willie Simmons story you told from Deuce that you kept calling Media Day is actually from Content Day interviews that have not aired yet and are only accessible to you.

Speaker 9 Okay.

Speaker 9 Well,

Speaker 26 you know, you're trying to make me feel bad, but I finally feel like I'm an important person around these parts.

Speaker 15 Doe you've always been a

Speaker 26 loser content no one else can get their hands on.

Speaker 27 Internal content until it airs on ESPN Plus.

Speaker 28 Oh, when's it airing? Leak from Billy Gill. It depends.

Speaker 26 Well, had I known I'm not supposed to talk about it,

Speaker 26 it's necessarily that you've been watching it.

Speaker 27 It's not that you're not supposed to. It's just that it hasn't aired yet.

Speaker 26 Gotcha.

Speaker 27 So you're just kind of, you know, providing spoilers.

Speaker 22 Well, I didn't know that.

Speaker 27 It's like saying Dumbledore dies at the end. That's all.
That's all you've done.

Speaker 26 Okay, I haven't seen that, but now you've told me. And if I remember, I'm going to be very upset when I watch that.
So there's a barber on the team.

Speaker 26 Think about getting a haircut?

Speaker 27 I just got one today.

Speaker 26 Did you?

Speaker 27 I've never availed myself of the team barber. Thank you.
Probably not great. You didn't notice it until I said I got it, but that's it.

Speaker 26 Well, I mean, I didn't see your hair yesterday, so I don't know.

Speaker 15 I'm going to get my player of the game to

Speaker 22 Chainsaw.

Speaker 9 I thought you might.

Speaker 13 Roy, what did you just say in my ear with a big smile on your face?

Speaker 1 This play-by-play guy, AJ, he sounds so happy.

Speaker 9 Well, he loves Billy. He sounds like he loves corporate work.
He's really fine, yeah. It's corporate.

Speaker 4 I thought it was AJ. Works shopped that back.

Speaker 9 Yeah, you could have corrected us then.

Speaker 9 Hey, listeners, it's Mike. Hey, Billy Gill.
Hey. Hey, Billy, as a proud member of your inner circle, remember when we were hanging out last weekend?

Speaker 24 Oh, yeah, fishtail palms.

Speaker 9 Fishtail palms, great memories we made, kids playing in the pool and in our hands, a nice ice-cold can of Miller Life.

Speaker 9 It was so hot out.

Speaker 16 I know, but it was so cold in my hand.

Speaker 9 We took that first sip. It was crisp.
It was refreshing. Oh, man, there is nothing like cracking open a Miller Light with your crew and your inner circle bones.

Speaker 16 Hell yeah. We fist bumped.

Speaker 9 Whether it's, we actually really did. Whether it's that touchdown.

Speaker 4 It didn't make a sound, but it was just like...

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And here's a kicker, Billy. What? It's just 96 calories.
What?

Speaker 16 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.

Speaker 9 The original light beer since 1975 and still hitting different five decades later. Miller Light, grape taste, 96 calories.

Speaker 9 Go to millerlight.com/slash dan to find delivery options near you, or you can pick up some Miller Light pretty much anywhere they sell beer. It's Miller time.
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