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Speaker 11 presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? It's a podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Lebetard podcast.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that.

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Speaker 11 Brian Stelter is going to join us in a little bit to talk about Kimmel last night.

Speaker 11 He made his return, and while Kimmel does about a million a night on linear television, I don't know what he's done this morning as his monologue has made the rounds, but the last time I saw it was in the millions.

Speaker 11 It was approaching 4 million, and I'm sure a lot of people wanted to hear from him. And they did the unusual thing.
It's something I haven't seen him do, and he's done more than 4,000 shows.

Speaker 11 He's been doing it for 23 years.

Speaker 11 They did the monologue, and then they just stayed with him standing up doing more monologue after they went to commercial break. Commercial break is such a quaint thing.

Speaker 11 That's not really what people are doing anymore when they watch this stuff. They're not...
pausing for a commercial anymore.

Speaker 11 You usually get everything you want, but he went twice as long long as he would normally go. And we'll talk with Brian Stelter about that.

Speaker 11 He's written several books and he's been on top of this story since it started. We'll do that in about an hour.
And I'm going to get to

Speaker 11 Ben Simmons and Zion Williamson in a second.

Speaker 14 NBA camps are opening up, Dan.

Speaker 11 They are, and hockey is here as well. And it is, again, too much.

Speaker 11 There is too much sports going on. Something happened after the pandemic where I don't think it's my age.
I think it's everything sped up and now there's just more everywhere.

Speaker 11 The seasons are just as long.

Speaker 11 I don't understand my confusion with it seems like there's more and I'm finding myself saying, no, there's too much that we have to pay attention to.

Speaker 16 Yeah, you're married now.

Speaker 11 Yeah, but I got, okay, I got married eight. What is this? Like, I don't know, is it five years ago?

Speaker 14 It's a thing you need to remember.

Speaker 17 Yeah, you got to remember that. It feels like eight.

Speaker 15 Let's work on that.

Speaker 11 Years. Well, I met, we started dating.
Is that five five years ago, 2020.

Speaker 9 Yeah, starting to check out.

Speaker 11 Yeah, we got married right before the pandemic. But I

Speaker 11 so I have it

Speaker 19 that's what people say about wives.

Speaker 9 That and something else. What is it, says?

Speaker 16 You weren't listening. Cool.

Speaker 20 Don't do it.

Speaker 9 There's a trap. What do they love?

Speaker 21 Thai food.

Speaker 22 Weird space out.

Speaker 11 Ball and chain. I didn't feel like.

Speaker 11 I didn't feel like ball and chain was something we were still using.

Speaker 23 I'm not gonna lie, I got scared when I said it.

Speaker 24 I was like, is this something?

Speaker 9 Yeah, he did look at you like...

Speaker 23 I know. I mean, damn, it is.

Speaker 9 This is an insult.

Speaker 20 Did I not?

Speaker 23 Was like, that's what you say.

Speaker 22 Just jogging.

Speaker 26 Just a bunch of husbands, joshing each other, guy.

Speaker 24 We can all relax.

Speaker 11 I'm more objecting to the idea of when a punishment. Let's think about this for a second, okay?

Speaker 11 When a punishment was to put a chain around someone's ankle that was a weighted ball and to refer to the person you love that way yeah no i mean i guess it's a little mean i guess if you really get at the heart of it but it's just it's just jokes i do it was really cute that it just dawned on you that it feels like there's more sports you can't follow and it just it it ties directly to the time it was it was the pandemic i was blaming the pandemic it turns out it was the ball and chain

Speaker 11 can you get me by the way, I'd like the origins of when it is we started using that as a as a punishment and why it is we started using it as a punishment.

Speaker 11 And it is like beyond the, was it the put it on the poll at Lebato show? Was the ball and chain the ankle monitor before we had the technology for the ankle monitor?

Speaker 27 Something happened to me six, uh, six years ago where all of a sudden sports weren't on my main TV anymore, and instead there was bluey.

Speaker 8 I'm gonna get to the bottom of it, though.

Speaker 23 The ball and chain was a device used to prevent prevent escape.

Speaker 23 So

Speaker 14 I don't feel good about this.

Speaker 11 How weighty was the ball in the ball and chain? I remember here, as I see that the New York Giants, that Brian Dayball is in full job save mode.

Speaker 11 He's going to Jackson Dart, and that's going to be rough for Jackson Dart because look at their schedule.

Speaker 11 They got the Saints in two weeks, but it's two Eagles games, a Denver game, and a Chargers game. Those are four of five defenses.
That's deep water right off the bat.

Speaker 11 But I remember saying to you guys when Russell Wilson signed with the Giants that it made me sad. And you guys, what's so sad about it? What's sad?

Speaker 11 He's getting a bunch of money and he's getting an opportunity to turn the Giants around. And it's like, no,

Speaker 11 I mean, I couldn't have guessed this for Daniel Jones, but Daniel Jones and Saquon Barkley were limited with the Giants because the Giants are so bad.

Speaker 11 Russell Wilson's career ending that way makes me sad.

Speaker 35 Ending, and he just came off a career high for passes, for

Speaker 11 passing yardage

Speaker 11 against Dallas, but he looked so bad in the last game. And now they're like, okay, let's wrap this up.
You guys weren't made sad by that?

Speaker 11 He's a little young to be, I mean, Aaron Rodgers is 41 years old. Russell Wilson's not.
And that looks spent because it can't survive with the Giants.

Speaker 11 Maybe if you put it in a good organization, you get something better than that.

Speaker 14 He wasn't great last year, though. That's a good organization.

Speaker 13 Well, wait a minute.

Speaker 11 What's a good? Well, last year, yes, that was a good organization, but with the Giants, he's been, he's, he's.

Speaker 21 It happened to him earlier, usually at 36, where the, and Russell Wilson's a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 14 I was just going to ask, I think he's played himself out of the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 37 That's a hell of a take.

Speaker 16 In fact, I'm willing to listen to that.

Speaker 25 I'll dig through the numbers.

Speaker 11 It's Stugatz's take, though. You're stealing Stugatz's take.
He already took him out of the Hall of Fame and said,

Speaker 21 when he was with Denver, he was saying that.

Speaker 18 Yeah, he's 36 years old now.

Speaker 22 That's usually when it falls off. But I think Russell, you could argue, fell off at 33.

Speaker 29 That is young.

Speaker 38 Now, he's not your prototypical

Speaker 10 quarterback.

Speaker 38 There is things that he do

Speaker 19 that he does at his size that I guess it would wear and tear on the body.

Speaker 39 I mean, Mike, he's been a bad quarterback for four or five years now.

Speaker 12 Oh, that's tough.

Speaker 14 I think that, and the only reason we'd be talking about him as a Hall of Famer is because he won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 12 All right.

Speaker 14 It's not like he was this monster every single day.

Speaker 9 He made it to a second.

Speaker 16 Right, right, right. But

Speaker 14 you're bad for five, your last five years as a starter.

Speaker 25 I don't know if you're a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 40 According to Pro Football Reference, average QBs in the Hall of Fame classes ends up being 103.58. He's at 94.

Speaker 27 So it's like right there.

Speaker 40 If he has a couple more good games, obviously now that's over.

Speaker 40 Maybe would have put him over the top.

Speaker 11 Didn't make you guys sad, though, seeing him benched.

Speaker 40 you're Dad, he had the worst red zone thing I've ever seen. Four plays in the red zone to score a touchdown.
He threw one into the tunnel, threw the ball away on fourth down.

Speaker 40 Threw the ball into the goal post on fourth down.

Speaker 27 At that point, I was like, it's over.

Speaker 40 There's no coming back from throwing the ball out of bounds on fourth down.

Speaker 33 I think we all knew this day would be coming in relatively soon.

Speaker 19 So I don't know how sad I think he's at a stage in his career where we knew that he had to play lights out to keep that job, to keep Jackson Dart out of that spot.

Speaker 11 You guys have heard me say before, okay, that self-confidence is with athletes and how they don't know how to retire.

Speaker 11 And you've heard the Van Gundies say that superstar athletes are the hardest to coach. Aging superstar is the hardest to coach.
But as it relates to Russell Wilson, you've heard me say

Speaker 11 self-confidence is the last thing to go and the mirror is the last thing to know. If I were to sit down right now with Russell Wilson and say, can you still play?

Speaker 11 Wouldn't he just say, hey, I threw for a career high in yardage on the road against Dallas? It was two weeks ago. Like, wouldn't he say, I don't deserve to be benched.

Speaker 11 I deserve to have some benefit of the doubt here because I threw, I just said the death of the 400-yard game and I'm pointing to the one guy who had the 400-yard game and didn't actually have to do it because he was trailing the entire game, was slinging it the entire.

Speaker 11 If I talked to Russell Wilson about it now, do you think he'd say, yeah, I'm done.

Speaker 13 I'm spent? No.

Speaker 44 No, and I think he's good enough to be a backup in the league.

Speaker 29 I think people kind of underrated the season that he had with Pittsburgh.

Speaker 30 When he aired it out, when they trusted him to, it wasn't in line with their identity, but he could still throw the ball downfield.

Speaker 19 I think he showed that against Dallas.

Speaker 33 What's so weird is that the line of demarcation is when he decided to leave Seattle.

Speaker 18 Like, that's when he stopped being good.

Speaker 22 His final season in Seattle was good.

Speaker 21 There were a lot of people in contention for his services.

Speaker 14 And by the way, those last few years in Seattle, Pete Carroll seemed to not want to have anything to do with him anymore.

Speaker 11 Well, that's not entirely true.

Speaker 11 It seemed like Pete Carroll was the only one in that organization who did want to have anything to do with him because everyone else in the organization thought he was the teacher's pet who ended up getting all of the money and wrecking their defense because he got all of the money.

Speaker 11 And we did that, you know, Mr. Unlimited stuff where...

Speaker 11 He did a lot to tarnish what was his public reputation over the course. Or I shouldn't even say his public, that's too strong.

Speaker 11 He became less and less likable after winning that Super Bowl, just the way that people people were absorbing him and the reports coming out about him, where it seemed like the defense that helped win him a championship didn't really appreciate him as a leader anymore.

Speaker 47 I don't think it was unlikable.

Speaker 23 I think it was more just like corny.

Speaker 9 He's a bit of a try-hard.

Speaker 48 Like, people made fun of him.

Speaker 11 Okay, but that's all I meant. Okay, forgive me.
Unlikable might also be too strong. But yes,

Speaker 11 he went from swaggering champion who was value at the position who we who should be rooted for because he's undersized who should be rooted for because his style of play was electric it was unusual who created a new model for winning in the sport make sure you get value at quarterback so you can pay everyone else in a salary cap sport to oh this is how it ends ooh

Speaker 11 you lose your job to jackson dart on a failure of a season when the giants aren't going anywhere this season and i'm telling you those five games i'm going to say it again just so that whatever assessments are made about about Jackson Dart over the next five games, you ignore unless they're good assessments because he did it against good teams.

Speaker 11 Philadelphia, twice. Denver, the Chargers.
Like, if I don't throw the Browns in there, like, those are the defenses you do not want.

Speaker 11 A quarterback who does not yet know how to play professional football to play against those defenses.

Speaker 10 I also want to crunch the numbers a little bit more to see this is a newer era of mobile quarterback and guys that even though he was a better passer than runner, he he was a timely runner um and elusive when he did decide to run those guys careers they are getting a little cut short i know cam had off-the-field injuries that affected that too but i it makes me very curious to see how josh allen will age because he's so reliant on his physical gifts when he when he gets to a certain age like around 33 what is that going to look like i'm also curious to see how patrick mahomes' body ages he doesn't seem to really take care of himself he's leaning more now on his rushing ability which is interesting well one of the things that I really genuinely discovered with Russell Wilson, because I will remind everyone here, hugely undersized for the position.

Speaker 11 Usually, that guy before Russell Wilson, not a success in the pros.

Speaker 11 It isn't just that his playing style was electric, and by calling him a timely runner, you're being unfair to him. He was wildly elusive, and this is the part that I hadn't seen before.

Speaker 13 Didn't get hit hard.

Speaker 11 Was not one of these guys who was, like, he'd get hit and he'd get tackled, but he had a way of knowing not to do what RG3 was doing, which is getting pulverized.

Speaker 11 There are, hell, Michael Pennix is going to learn this very quickly.

Speaker 11 Like, you cannot run through secondaries the way those quarterbacks, even with all the new rules protecting them, Russell Wilson never seemed to get hit hard.

Speaker 8 Hard to put a clean hit on him. Hard to put a clean hit on Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 44 In fact, he's the one that's dishing out the punishment.

Speaker 28 Hard to put a clean hit on big.

Speaker 36 There are guys that are just smart about how they do it.

Speaker 9 Honestly, the biggest thing that went sideways in RG3's career was his inability to not be able to get rocked every time he got hit.

Speaker 16 I've never seen a quarterback fly

Speaker 22 on contact the way that I saw RG3 do it.

Speaker 11 You say that he's thin, but Lamar Jackson, I mean, we've seen him thicken up, but he's been thin and he runs so much and he's got the similar skill set where nobody seems to be able to square him up.

Speaker 11 And it's an unusual thing to say.

Speaker 11 I wanted to point something out from yesterday as I talked about the Ravens defense that I had left out because the Ravens have allowed as many points as the Dolphins have this year.

Speaker 11 And the Dolphins, I believe, to be a historically bad defense. Do you know how hard it is to allow as many points the Ravens have allowed in three games when one of your opponents was the Browns?

Speaker 25 That's

Speaker 11 really bad.

Speaker 42 And they didn't score that much there.

Speaker 22 I don't know. They've given a lot of points up to Question.

Speaker 11 I think the Browns scored more there. I think they scored 17, which is more than they've scored in any other game.

Speaker 23 It was so funny watching the Under the Tunnel, the head coach and the GM of the Browns celebrating. And I just like looked back and laughed of like, like, they think they have a chance.

Speaker 23 Like, watching them celebrate was like, they're like, this is it.

Speaker 12 This is where we turn it. It's just like.

Speaker 13 It's a huge win. You're the Browns, though.

Speaker 23 It's just funny how excited they get.

Speaker 9 It's a massive win.

Speaker 48 They genuinely think that they have a chance this season.

Speaker 9 That's cute.

Speaker 37 I mean, what was the survivor pool count on that game?

Speaker 33 Like, 75% of the people out of the?

Speaker 18 The Packers in that one?

Speaker 28 I mean, that is a huge win for their program.

Speaker 44 I am super locked in on this Chiefs-Ravens game.

Speaker 23 I thought you meant the Browns. No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 16 They lost me.

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Speaker 54 Don Lebatard.

Speaker 11 No one else here is willing to do a Trump or a Biden.

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Speaker 47 Stugats.

Speaker 40 Yours is terrible.

Speaker 20 You just got to get a little redder. A little pinker.
You're right there, man.

Speaker 11 Yours is not. You're Biden.

Speaker 20 What do you mean? Oh, his is good. That's actually not bad.
That's not terrible.

Speaker 11 That's not terrible.

Speaker 20 We got to come together.

Speaker 20 Little Southern George.

Speaker 31 Little Bush. Little George Bush in that one.

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Speaker 11 it may be, Chris Cody, that the Browns management is deluding themselves into some sort of confidence that their season will have success.

Speaker 11 But I do believe that very often in that sport, because of how much it physically hurts,

Speaker 11 when you avoid 0-3 as the start of a season, like it's just really hard to go into work after the first month of the season if you know right away that your season is over before it's gotten started.

Speaker 23 I can sleep better now, is essentially what they're celebrating.

Speaker 14 And they know their defense is great. Like they feel like, okay, we just did this against a really good Packer team.

Speaker 12 Maybe there'll be a bunch of other games where we're within a score late as well.

Speaker 19 How is Miles Garrett having the best season of his career?

Speaker 23 There was a clip of him beating a tackle and the tackle, we can't play it because it's like game footage where the tackle is as he gets by like, Jordan, run!

Speaker 24 It's hilarious.

Speaker 24 She's like, Jordan, run!

Speaker 39 That has to happen sometimes, right?

Speaker 14 We can't can't hear it because, you know, we're watching on television, but if the tackle gets beaten, you have to yell to your quarterback.

Speaker 7 Like, come on! Bunside! The man's like, what the hell?

Speaker 7 I screwed up!

Speaker 7 He's so fast and big!

Speaker 11 The funny thing about what you guys are saying is that yelling can't be heard by Jordan because Jordan hears the crowd telling him because it's a game on the road.

Speaker 12 But you still got to try to hear the tackle.

Speaker 13 You got to try to yell.

Speaker 11 The crowd is watching.

Speaker 9 The crowd is hoping that Miles Garrett is, they are giving you an alert on what Miles Garrett is doing.

Speaker 16 Miles had a great quote.

Speaker 42 He was asked about Micah Parsons.

Speaker 27 Man, I thought, man, he did it.

Speaker 45 Found a way to get away and get his money.

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Speaker 11 wanting the game elevated around here. You guys are easier to please about this stuff than I am.
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Speaker 55 Just want to remind the show that the last time the University of Miami scored a touchdown in a conference championship game, I saw the movie Made in Manhattan at my local theater.

Speaker 55 The ticket cost $7.50.

Speaker 57 Somebody check out Mike Ryan. The Browns won against the best team in the NFL and the way they usually lose those games.

Speaker 58 Make sure he's okay. I think that all kickers need to be drug tested.

Speaker 58 Just last year, announcers would tell us the kicker was maxing out at 55 yards before the game, but now kickers are booming 65 yarders in their sleep.

Speaker 58 Can Chris Cody please stop mouthing every word that's on the video screen when he's on there?

Speaker 58 Thanks. I'll still listen and watch.

Speaker 57 So this might be reckless speculation, but for the past couple of weeks, I keep hearing Mina and Foxworth talk about the fact that the Chargers defense is playing so aware, almost running the route to the wide receivers.

Speaker 57 And are we to believe that that is a coincidence given who their coach is and why he's no longer coaching Michigan?

Speaker 58 Why are you giving me carrots and celery with my buffalo wings? I just ordered deep-fried chicken smothered in sauce.

Speaker 57 Don't patronize me with your rabbit food.

Speaker 59 My boldest take is that Mike actually won the soup competition 5-0,

Speaker 59 but because it was Greg's birthday, he got two sympathy votes.

Speaker 56 A buddy of mine caught a football at an NFL game through a field goal.

Speaker 11 And the NFL made him give it back.

Speaker 56 So my hot take is, why are the two biggest leagues so stingy about their balls?

Speaker 55 when the colts play the jaguars we have to call it indiana jones and the temple of dude

Speaker 11 put it on the poll please at lebotard show why are you giving me carrots and celery with my chicken wings because it's a delightful cool relief you don't even eat it textural

Speaker 13 you get the hot with the cold i don't eat carrots i eat all of it i give me extra of that stuff what about the ranch and the bushes

Speaker 23 that's cool too right but that you i need it all give me a cold little like celery with the ranch You guys are nice.

Speaker 40 This is coming from a guy who orders a drink and sometimes, let me see today. Okay, today's drink sometimes doesn't get drank the entire day.
Wow.

Speaker 40 So there's a lot of times where you'll probably order some wings and you'll eat like one bite of the celery.

Speaker 23 What was that?

Speaker 23 Coming from the guy who sometimes orders a drink and doesn't drink it.

Speaker 27 Like, what did you just like?

Speaker 16 What was that influence coming?

Speaker 8 You talk about a guy.

Speaker 27 Here's a guy.

Speaker 11 You felt attacked?

Speaker 23 He doesn't finish his drink, man. Sometimes he orders it.
He only drinks three quarters of it, man.

Speaker 33 He was doing Collins. I was.
I was doing Collins.

Speaker 25 Here's a guy.

Speaker 9 Here's a guy who orders it, Mike. Here's a guy.

Speaker 11 Put it on the poll as well at Lebittard Show. Should football, should the NFL allow you to keep the football if it goes into the stand? Because

Speaker 11 I am with that caller. Let's go out to Jeremy, who is now, I saw him writing all over the board again.
He erased everything.

Speaker 28 We have more?

Speaker 11 Well, yes. What more do we have on the Marlins? Again, the Marlins are playing meaningful baseball the last week of the season.
It's a stunner. It deserves to be appreciated.

Speaker 11 They have, with discounts and efficiencies, they have built a team where, and with farm system issues that they've had under Jeter, they have fixed some things with cheap players and have exploited some market inefficiencies the way that the Rays have done that.

Speaker 11 So let's, what are we going out to here? Now you've got some small writing.

Speaker 31 That's what we're going to do.

Speaker 11 Four and five. team permutations.
What do we have here, Jeremy?

Speaker 23 That's exactly right, Dan.

Speaker 15 So we talked about the three-team tiebreakers and the two-team tiebreakers, where head-to-head, the Marlins would not get to the postseason if they're going up against the Cardinals or up against Arizona, Solo, or, of course, both of those teams together.

Speaker 15 But now things get interesting.

Speaker 15 If the Marlins are at 82 and 80 and tied with the Mets, Diamondbacks, and Reds in a four-team tiebreaker by mere percentage points at a 579 win percentage ahead of the Marlins' 577 win percentage against all of those teams, the Reds would advance.

Speaker 15 But if it's a four-team tiebreaker between the Marlins, Mets, Diamondbacks, and Cardinals, the Marlins, Mets, Reds, and Cardinals,

Speaker 15 or the Marlins, Reds, Diamondbacks, and Cardinals, the Marlins would be the team to advance. So in three of the four scenarios in which there's a four-team tiebreaker, they advance.

Speaker 15 And say all five teams end up at 82 and 80 with an overall head-to-head record of 18 and 14, the Miami Marlins would be the team to advance.

Speaker 15 So, what we've laid out here is amongst all the different scenarios, the four head-to-head scenarios, the six different three-team tiebreakers, the four four-team tiebreakers, and the one five-team tiebreaker, all those different scenarios, there are only four in which the Marlins would not advance as the wildcard selection in the National League.

Speaker 23 I stopped listening.

Speaker 18 I totally didn't listen. Yeah, it was just

Speaker 49 do want to make a correction on the Ed Orgeron front.

Speaker 42 That stuff, the sexual assault stuff was there when Les Miles was there.

Speaker 19 That's what it dates back to.

Speaker 42 Ed Orgeron was not named in that stuff, so I was trying to be responsible. I don't know what Jeremy was talking about.

Speaker 23 It seems like we want the Cardinals involved, huh, Jeremy?

Speaker 15 What you really want is the Mets involved. You really want the Mets involved.

Speaker 15 Every single scenario in which the Mets are involved in a three-team, a head-to-head, or four-team tiebreaker, there was only one in which the Marlins Marlins would not invest

Speaker 15 the Diamondbacks and the Reds. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 15 The Cardinals are not involved in that one, but I erased it here, but the head-to-head against the Cardinals, the Marlins would not advance, and the head-to-head in which it's the Diamondbacks and the Cardinals in the three-team tie, the Marlins would not advance either.

Speaker 48 Now I get it.

Speaker 15 Ultimately, you know, you're looking for the Mets to be involved as much as possible, which means really, in the next two nights, you're actually rooting for one Mets win.

Speaker 15 You really want them to split with the Chicago Cubs over the next couple nights before the Marlins ultimately sweep them over the weekend.

Speaker 32 I have a question for Jeremy.

Speaker 49 He was doing a service, and I'm glad he was doing that stuff.

Speaker 21 I lost me.

Speaker 22 Who does Central have this week?

Speaker 42 I've got a baseball question for you.

Speaker 29 This is twice this week that I've wanted to talk baseball.

Speaker 22 And I mean, it makes sense that it's both guys that played while I was watching baseball.

Speaker 19 Is Mike Trout going to be remembered as the most talented loser ever?

Speaker 26 I know historically we had that conversation about Ernie Banks because Ernie Banks famously never made the playoffs.

Speaker 29 However, I ran the numbers and if Ernie Banks played with the same kind of playoff expansion rules that Mike Trout did, Ernie Banks would have made the playoffs three times at least, whereas Mike Trout only made the playoffs once and lost out in the ALDS.

Speaker 11 Are you doing just baseball? Because Miles Garrett's going to nominate.

Speaker 12 Miles Garrett has been to the playoffs.

Speaker 38 Miles Garrett beat a Pittsburgh Steeler team on the road that at one point was 11-0 that season.

Speaker 44 I know that because I was going through NFL teams that fell on their face and collapsed.

Speaker 11 Are you doing just baseball?

Speaker 22 Miles Garrett also made it to the playoffs with Joe Flacco and lost to CJ Stroud, who was having probably his last hurrah in terms of being an exciting player.

Speaker 14 It's really hard to be an all-time great player and just

Speaker 14 never do anything in the playoffs.

Speaker 18 But the question is for Jeremy, because I know he's dialed in on hardball.

Speaker 33 This Mike Trout thing, like, it's going to become his legacy, whereas before his legacy was this guy is the most complete baseball player we've probably ever seen.

Speaker 18 He has the perfect elements of new school and old school.

Speaker 14 Well, part of it being his legacy is that he doesn't seem to care. Now, he probably does, but he doesn't give off that it's like, man, I want to go somewhere and win.

Speaker 15 I think that's part of it, right? I think ultimately with Mike Trout, it'll be more of a Mickey Mantle scenario of the what if he was healthy for his entire career.

Speaker 15 There's a little bit of that with Ken Griffey Jr., despite having all of the counting stats that he has.

Speaker 15 The thing with Trout is really, it's tough for an individual position player to put that on them. If he got to the postseason and he struggled, he could be an all-time loser.

Speaker 15 If he was an individual pitcher who would not come up clutch in the final moments of a season, you could argue the same thing.

Speaker 15 But when you have a team, I mean, they had a team that was built around him and Albert Pujos who didn't perform to what they wanted that contract to be.

Speaker 15 Same deal with Anthony Rendon that really handicapped their ability to put a good team around him. When you're one individual player, it's really difficult to overcome organizational shortcomings.

Speaker 15 And so yes, you're right. Ultimately, he's not going to have a postseason career that's worth anything or memorable, unless maybe at the end of his career, he ends up in the right place.

Speaker 15 But it'll be more of a Mickey Mantle type of thing, in my view.

Speaker 50 One time he did.

Speaker 42 make it to the playoffs in the series he got eliminated and he went one for 12 and you're applying helpful context but it's context that is relatively absent from the Ernie Banks discussion maybe that's because of all the time that passed but I mean I laid it out for you Ernie Banks played in a time where it's just pennant winners that met up in the world in the World Series and got into the playoffs.

Speaker 38 Like, this is really embarrassing.

Speaker 33 And you laid out.

Speaker 9 Played with poo-holes. Played with Shohei Otani.

Speaker 18 Maybe this is more of an organizational conversation that we need to have about the Angels because they're presently in last place in the ALS, and that is a hugely disappointing franchise when you especially consider the money and resources they provided that team.

Speaker 22 But man, is it disappointing for one of the guys that was labeled as perhaps the greatest baseball player we've ever seen?

Speaker 54 Don Lebatard.

Speaker 14 Can I tell you something? I don't know, it was maybe like a month ago, and I decided to watch Pitch Clock, and I told Jeremy, Stugats, this is a good show you're doing.

Speaker 54 This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats.

Speaker 11 Give me some assistance here because Anthony Rendon is champion. Anthony Rendon, when they won the World Series, was great for that baseball team.

Speaker 11 Only thing I think about when I think of the name Anthony Rendon is bad money spent.

Speaker 11 Give me the people in sports that do that for you, where you, I mean, obviously Deshaun Watson is going to be that, but a person you mean franchises?

Speaker 11 I'm talking about somebody who was great, got the money, deserved to get the money, deserved to get it, because Rendon's contract, that was more than $200 million, right?

Speaker 11 Giancarlo Stanton sort of shook the sport, and then everyone started getting that kind of money. All of a sudden, Jason Wirth was getting that kind of money.

Speaker 11 But Rendon is somebody I now just associate

Speaker 11 with

Speaker 11 bad money spent. When you arrive at the position that Anthony Rendon is in, you're top 1% of the top 1% of people competing for money in sports.
You've arrived at the very top level, guaranteed...

Speaker 11 hundreds of millions for how good you are at a sport. But when I hear that name, the place I go immediately is bad money.
So top it for me.

Speaker 11 When I say nominate some people that you just,

Speaker 11 and they've got to be someone whose excellence was earned, not somebody who just got

Speaker 11 a contract out of the draft or something. Somebody who professionally, in pro sports, earned the money.

Speaker 30 Made it to multiple contracts.

Speaker 29 Ben Simmons.

Speaker 14 That's the one I was going to say. It's Ben Simmons.

Speaker 11 Yeah, but Ben Simmons wasn't really successful in the pros, was he?

Speaker 41 In fact, Ben Simmons.

Speaker 13 Well, wait a minute.

Speaker 11 Ben Simmons, I'm pretty sure Ben Simmons didn't even make the NIT as the number one pick in college basketball. Or if he made the NIT,

Speaker 11 they didn't. No, I don't think he made the NIT when they were in NIT.

Speaker 19 I think they opted out of postseason play, but Ben Simmons got a five-year $177 million.

Speaker 14 He was a good player.

Speaker 30 He found a way to get that contract without shooting the ball.

Speaker 11 He's not even pretending anymore to give us these workouts on video that suggest that he is making a comeback and is working hard to come back. We now have all of his social media activity.

Speaker 11 Is he trolling when he's just gone fishing? Like, is he trolling when he's just showing us these big fish that he is catching instead of giving us workout videos?

Speaker 14 It's quite the direction, you know, this time of year, we used to get the workout videos where they would carefully edit him making jump shots, making three-pointers.

Speaker 14 Oh, Ben Simmons, he's coming for your ass this year.

Speaker 48 I mean, we made fun of those two.

Speaker 11 Oh, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 48 If I'm him, I'm like, all right, I'm just going to go.

Speaker 11 See, I don't, when it comes to Ben Simmons, that's a different category for me, even though it is of course bad money spent for me he uh he occupies the space that i cannot assign to many athletes ever which is just short-circuited mentally like that's not that is not something sixer somehow had two of those guys and markel folts and him like where you're you're just you're dealing with a mental short-circuiting so i go somewhere else originally when i hear do word association with ben simmons i feel like three weeks ago we would have put daniel jones in this conversation on money i mean that was a bad contract he got with the Giants.

Speaker 16 If you look at the bad contracts in the NBA,

Speaker 38 like you have guys,

Speaker 32 most of the bad contracts that get highlighted are guys that ended up having injuries, physical injuries.

Speaker 16 Ben Simmons is the first person that had something go wrong with him that was intangible.

Speaker 42 It was between the ears with him.

Speaker 33 But it's not like even before he started citing those issues, he wasn't an extremely flawed player.

Speaker 11 Can I get some video or photograph of how Zion Williamson looks now, speaking of basketball returning and the offseason, because I believe that at this point still, Zion Williamson, who represents, I'm going to say, let me see if I have this right, who am I missing when I say in terms of basketball physical freak, the biggest physical freak since Shaq, physical freak novelty since Shaq, coming out of college and just stronger than everyone else in the post in a way way that can't be stopped without a double team.

Speaker 23 I was going to say Wenbunyama until you said strong.

Speaker 43 Yeah, well, yes, right.

Speaker 11 Wenbanyama is good and also a physical freak.

Speaker 40 Giannis grew into his body a little bit, but he was thin when he got into the league.

Speaker 29 Yeah, what makes Zion Williamson so interesting, because at his size,

Speaker 21 he's only six foot six.

Speaker 33 It's his weight and his explosiveness that didn't make any sense, but he's not this imposing. He doesn't have this imposing stature.

Speaker 11 Now he is filled out for his size and he has a really strange body type but it's not like you see this guy i think what the novelty about him was like how is this guy so powerful well he looks so explosive he looks fit here and i wonder if he loses any strength because those arms those arms used to be thighs and those arms are no longer thighs you're doing the thing i feel like the internet's gonna do too skinny well no no i'm doing too much weight loss no no i'm not i will not weight shame anyone except you there is no one else that i am weight shaming uh and myself that's correct But let's see some video here of Zion and you tell me what you guys' thoughts here because

Speaker 11 he looks different, a good deal different. And

Speaker 11 he does look good, but he is undersized. And so

Speaker 11 I do wonder if he can be as strong, given that

Speaker 11 in the history of that sport, the only person that I can actually think of like him is Charles Barkley, where led the league in rebounding, at least in part, because his ass is where normal shoulders are on someone.

Speaker 11 When I stand next to Charles Barkley, he's not a lot taller than I am. He isn't.

Speaker 12 He's 6'4 Barkley, I think. But his ass.

Speaker 11 His ass is where my shoulders are.

Speaker 9 It's a really unusual. High ass.

Speaker 31 He's got a high ass.

Speaker 16 His ass is six feet off the ground.

Speaker 39 He's got that high ass?

Speaker 31 Do you have low shoulders?

Speaker 11 No, I do not. That is why he led the league in rebounding at six foot four and a half or six foot five.
But let me see some video on Zion here because they can do some optical illusions with AI.

Speaker 11 I've seen Zion people do some photoshopping with Zion that fools me. Let me see some video here and see what we've got.

Speaker 4 We came up with a plan, and

Speaker 4 from boxing to working out on the football field a lot

Speaker 4 to just different random workouts.

Speaker 4 And during that time frame last year, I really felt a shift in my body to where I would look at him and go,

Speaker 4 dude, it feels good to to feel good. I haven't dealt like this since college, high school, just where I can walk in the gym and I'm like, it just, I feel good.

Speaker 14 It's great. His seventh year in the league.
He's finally a professional.

Speaker 8 Finally feels good.

Speaker 40 What do we think about that goatee?

Speaker 23 Yeah, that's

Speaker 31 a question.

Speaker 9 Where are we with it?

Speaker 18 Like on the disgruntled superstar progression, like, how is he still a pelican?

Speaker 9 Aren't we supposed to be moving along here like three years ago?

Speaker 11 Oh, but I think his trade value is such that people people are a little bit scared of trading for him.

Speaker 11 And when Zaz says seventh year in the league, I do believe that we've gotten a little too accustomed to guys coming out of high school and freshmen in college.

Speaker 11 Where you say seven years in the league, but once upon a time, this player, if he were Tim Duncan, would have stayed three of those years in college and would now be in his third or fourth year in the league.

Speaker 11 Because

Speaker 11 you cannot give a 19-year-old NBA intoxicants and and expect all of the 19-year-olds not to succumb to whatever the NBA intoxicants are.

Speaker 29 I do think, though, the general expectation is for them to

Speaker 42 adhere to a certain level of professionalism.

Speaker 30 And the injuries are one thing. His approach to the game, I mean, obviously Stephen A.

Speaker 10 Smith is very vocal about it, but

Speaker 30 I mean, he's called him fat multiple occasions.

Speaker 21 But also, let's not forget, there's off-court stuff with Zion Williamson that scares a lot of teams away.

Speaker 32 This dude, just around league circles is not considered a pro.

Speaker 11 It is very easy in our position to tell others how to be professional. And yes, that is the standard.

Speaker 11 If you are being paid millions and millions of dollars to play a game, you should aspire to professionalism.

Speaker 11 But I do think that it should at least register with some people that not every person who's coming into those millions and millions of dollars is equipped to be an adult, never mind a professional.

Speaker 11 I've talked to enough athletes who get to the pros and they're just stuffing their clothes, dirty clothes in the closet for months.

Speaker 11 Or Ron Artest has dog shit all over his house because whenever he has to go on the road and stuff, he doesn't do the things that are necessary to just keep his home in order.

Speaker 11 I understand everyone listening to this is going to say, be a pro, be an adult, but you're going to have some casualties there when you go from the transition of abject poverty and just trying to survive to try and get to a place where you're the professional that everyone else expects you to be.

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