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Speaker 7 Chris Cody, I'm going to need your help here some. This chair that Zaslow sits in has a way of making people stronger and more confident.

Speaker 7 And so he just blew a whole bunch of breakfast breath in my face.

Speaker 14 Oh, that's so embarrassing.

Speaker 7 With the take that he had yesterday, which I heard on air, but he's still asking me off air, how is Miami minus seven and a half against the Gators not free money?

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Speaker 14 This team is different. They look different.
What am I missing?

Speaker 15 They always do until they don't, you know?

Speaker 14 The Gators lost to the team that the Kanes just beat by 37.

Speaker 7 I worry about Georgia Tech.

Speaker 7 I don't worry about Florida because Florida may have something close to the athletes that Miami does, but I don't expect Cristobal to crystal ball in this one because he didn't crystal ball when they went up to the Gators with what seemed to me a better team the Gators had.

Speaker 10 That's not how crystal balling works.

Speaker 18 Like crystal balling doesn't work against teams that like you tight.

Speaker 16 It's against teams that you should win easily that then you're like, oh, how did this happen?

Speaker 20 It's inexplicable, not explicable.

Speaker 7 thank you well tony gets it okay and and tony does get it and you get it as well but this isn't the team program uh atmosphere culture that lost to middle tennessee state yeah this is not that this but this is not is it not a team that you're watching through the first two games and uh you're like okay

Speaker 7 that is physically strong and fast everywhere and i'm not looking at a lot of teams and seeing that and in the first two games like i know the notre dame game was close but it should not have been and that's cristoball cristoball but they won anyway they looked physically stronger and faster than notre dame i'm not wrong there right like i i the the game the game was they had a two touchdown lead and should have expanded upon it and then did what they can do.

Speaker 7 I've told you before, as stunning a result as I've seen was Mario Cristobal with the team he had in Oregon losing a game to Stanford.

Speaker 7 That I'm sitting there watching it and I'm like, I don't understand how this just happened. Stanford at the end of the game didn't have anything.

Speaker 7 Crystal Ball.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 16 That's how it happened, and that's how it will happen at some point.

Speaker 7 Are those lines moving at all on the Dolphins and UM Gators? Are those lines staying the same?

Speaker 7 It started, the Dolphins were a 12.5-point dog against the Bills tomorrow night, and Miami has stayed a seven and a half-point favorite against the Gators.

Speaker 10 Didn't it open at eight and a half?

Speaker 10 I think seven and a half is bang on. That's a great line.

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Speaker 10 This is a team that had five interceptions at LSU. Should have won that game playing an F-min game offensively.

Speaker 10 They shouldn't have lost to USF. If you watch that game, again, F-minus effort, undisciplined.
They found ways to lose that game. Their defense is talented now.

Speaker 10 I do know that they have some injuries here. And Lagway, if you look at the tape, looks broken.
But this is a rivalry game. It's a smell your own farts week for the university in Miami.

Speaker 10 Like, this should be tighter.

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Speaker 7 Over the last 25 years of horrific Dolphin football, the longest playoff drought anywhere in the sport, you have heard me say that the Dolphins went from being a national team to being a regional team.

Speaker 7 They gave up all of the decades of excellence and now are a regional laughingstock. The athletic today has a headline.
Mike McDaniel was the NFL's next coaching prodigy.

Speaker 7 Then the Dolphins started losing. What is presently around McDaniel isn't around any other coach this early in the season, correct?

Speaker 7 Because it wasn't that long ago that the Dolphins went to the Bills in a playoff game with their third string quarterback and almost won the game. And since then, they're 8-14.

Speaker 10 That's fast how that happened.

Speaker 7 Because to go from Prodigy to Rex Ryan's on television calling you nerdboy as if he's the cool one. Rex Ryan, comfortable calling you nerd boy, creates a visceral reaction around this person

Speaker 7 that is polarizing and poisoned.

Speaker 7 because the lack of trust that the fan base right now has in its leadership makes the Dolphins the only loud laughing stock like this early in the season that is surrounded by flying planes, booing, and the expectation that the coach is going to be fired.

Speaker 10 We did wonder aloud once Mike McDaniel

Speaker 10 showed up into town. And he was a breath of fresh air.
You don't necessarily hear head coaches talk like that for a reason.

Speaker 10 Because we wondered aloud, like, well, how does this look if they run into adversity?

Speaker 10 How does this approach work if they struggle and i think we now know it doesn't help matters when he's out there in front of a microphone searching for the words it gives off bumbling confusion over your head rather than wow what a breath of fresh air step into the micro and saying no today's a great day because we're one step closer to death death does that mean yeah it's fine if you're three and oh yeah it's it's funny and refreshing if it's three and oh but if you're oh and three

Speaker 10 it it it screams this guy should not be leading a football team.

Speaker 18 It's also like not that quick of a hook if they get rid of him after this year.

Speaker 19 Brandon Staley didn't last this long with the Chargers, and he was also viewed as like the next, you know, up-and-coming genius.

Speaker 14 Four years is a long time. Like, this is year four.

Speaker 22 Yeah. Long time.

Speaker 7 The thing that bothers people a lot, though, you guys have heard me say this before, that in sports, the greatest crime, if you want, you know, outside of real crimes, the greatest optical crime, public relations crime, is thinking that you're better than everyone else or giving off something that seems like unearned arrogance.

Speaker 7 We don't mind so much when the arrogance is earned. It might bother us, but you'll beat the respect out of us if the arrogance is earned.
But Staley and McDaniel suffer from the same thing.

Speaker 7 It's film room guy who's there for 12 hours doesn't like when new young toddler comes in and thinks he can scheme everyone to death because he's smarter than they are.

Speaker 7 Charlie Weiss endured this at Notre Dame. He goes from Belichick's side to Notre Dame and in his first press conference he says, I have a significant schematic advantage.

Speaker 7 And then they gave him a giant contract. They might still be paying that.

Speaker 7 I think it was a giant contract for Charlie Weiss that they paid long after Charlie Weiss was gone, but he got undressed, which is not great when you think of him and his physical features that we've mocked because it looks like the bottom half of his body is turned reverse and the bottom bottom half of his body, the back of his body is in the front and the front of his body is in the back, in the lower half.

Speaker 4 But Staley and McDaniel, like, they paid their dues.

Speaker 18 Like, it wasn't like they just were handed jobs.

Speaker 15 They worked their way up in both their situations. With Staley, it just became a thing where Staley's smarter than everyone.
He's the analytics guy. Look at him.

Speaker 18 He never kicks a field goal. He never punts.

Speaker 4 He always goes for it on fourth down.

Speaker 2 And then that didn't work.

Speaker 18 And then they said, you know what?

Speaker 16 We have our franchise quarterback. We're kind of wasting it and we have to get rid of him.

Speaker 15 McDaniel is almost a victim of being too successful too early, right?

Speaker 15 Had you flipped last season and this season to his first two seasons and his first two seasons with these two, you'd be like, wow, this guy's figured it out. Like we should maybe extend this guy.

Speaker 2 But the reality is, is he kind of peaked with this team a little bit early.

Speaker 15 So now everything that he's doing on the back end is a disappointment.

Speaker 10 Instead of him figuring it out, it seems like he's been figured out. We've seen this before in the NFL.

Speaker 10 Guys come into the league, they look good early, and then the league figures them out, and then they got nothing in their bag to respond to.

Speaker 7 Well, but I don't believe McDermott actually is any smarter than McDaniel. I just believe he's got a quarterback that the Dolphins don't have.
And

Speaker 7 he's made that quarterback someone who no longer turns the ball over. And we're going to get to some Tua sound here that kind of explains why it is the Bills are now the new Patriots of the AFC East.

Speaker 7 Listen to Tua. This is not something you hear very often as preview to a Thursday night game, Bills Dolphins.

Speaker 26 He's top tier. You know, if it's not with his arm, it's with his legs.
You know, that dude can do literally anything he wants. So definitely different skill set for me.

Speaker 26 I can't do half of what he does when it comes to running the ball and any of that.

Speaker 26 And then with how he can just chuck a ball down the field, you know, with how far and the arm strength that he has, you know, he's supreme when it comes to that. So it's going to be fun.

Speaker 10 Nah.

Speaker 14 It's not going to be fun.

Speaker 1 That's embarrassing. I hate that.

Speaker 15 I wish they would inject him with Lye serum.

Speaker 16 Honestly.

Speaker 7 Some of that stuff that Adam Adam Silver's been taking lately.

Speaker 14 Oh my God, that guy.

Speaker 28 I am so furious listening to this sound. Honestly, he undersold it.
He can't do three quarters of what Josh Allen does. He undersold it.

Speaker 29 He's too comfortable these last two weeks telling everyone what he can't do.

Speaker 19 Like at the post-game press conference the other day, he's like, I can't throw the ball at 80 yards.

Speaker 10 It's like, don't say that. This is the thing.

Speaker 15 I'm excited to see Josh Allen.

Speaker 2 He's so much of a better quarterback than me.

Speaker 25 I can't do half the stuff he does. It's like, don't say that.

Speaker 10 Like, this isn't what a squad's on here.

Speaker 10 Not that. I want him to lie.
I want want him to lie. And I'm better than Josh Allen.

Speaker 25 Anything but what he's saying.

Speaker 18 Like, he's talking like a veteran who's 43 years old on his way out of the league.

Speaker 4 And he's like, I can't keep up with these young guys.

Speaker 25 It's like, buddy, we just give you like a $250 million contract.

Speaker 22 You know what? It's a good point.

Speaker 10 Figure it out. What are you talking about?

Speaker 22 That's your fourth season.

Speaker 14 And then, oh, he can throw it down the field. His sixth year.
That's a whatever it is.

Speaker 31 A quarterback should be able to throw it down the field.

Speaker 14 I hated that sound.

Speaker 20 That's a guy that's got $250 million coming to him.

Speaker 10 And he's like, I don't really care what he's doing.

Speaker 10 Listen, Buster.

Speaker 10 This is how it works at the nfl that money's fake okay you don't have 250 million dollars there's someone that can do something that goes around over there and then boom boom boom that money's gone real quick nfl money is fake as hell so if he thinks that that 250 million is guaranteed and he can just walk around saying i'm not that good at my job it's not how it works but it says on the contract that a certain amount is guaranteed yeah that money's guaranteed the rest of it is not i would i'm gonna look up guarantees right now zaslow i know it's a wild willie wednesday okay but i did not expect the escalation to go from you calling Tua buddy to calling him Buster.

Speaker 4 That Buster was for Tony.

Speaker 7 After you bought to a jersey and you the frame was more expensive than the jersey.

Speaker 21 That's the part that I'm regretful of, if I'm going to be honest with you.

Speaker 14 Frame's easily 200 bucks.

Speaker 10 300. Whoa.

Speaker 23 It was crazy.

Speaker 23 And I told this before.

Speaker 21 I don't know if you know this.

Speaker 15 The frame guy asked me, he's like, are you sure you want to frame this jersey?

Speaker 10 No. Yeah.

Speaker 17 He's like, I heard that they may cut them on Sunday.

Speaker 10 He almost rejected business?

Speaker 15 Yeah, he almost rejected business because this was right before they signed him with the extension.

Speaker 27 He's like, I don't know, they might cut him this week.

Speaker 16 Are you sure you want to do this?

Speaker 4 I'm like, brother, you're the worst businessman I've ever heard.

Speaker 14 I mean, it's a Tua jersey. He's a starting quarterback for the Dolphins.

Speaker 14 Like, what kind of jerseys is he also saying that about? Like, this is a starting quarterback of the Dolphins.

Speaker 24 And this is coming off of year two, where they made the playoffs without him, where it's like, once he's back, we're good.

Speaker 2 It's that stupid wrestler was going on there telling Dan that his brain was, he's a rest Mike McDaniel.

Speaker 14 I can't stand that guy. Nowinsky?

Speaker 2 Oh, please.

Speaker 14 Can you imagine watching sports with him?

Speaker 10 No.

Speaker 14 He's sitting there just, well, oh my God, there's ordered their headquarters. Let's tweet.

Speaker 19 What a drag that guy is.

Speaker 27 Not even a good wrestler. Probably a worst doctor.

Speaker 4 Terrible wrestler.

Speaker 10 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 7 Put it on the poll, please, at Lebetard Show. Most condescending, because I did not have this happening in the first 20 minutes.
Buster, buddy, or brother?

Speaker 7 Because you've hit people with the trifecta here over the first 20 minutes of Wild Willie Wednesday.

Speaker 7 One of the things happening with McDaniel that I wanted to examine with you guys for a second, because I don't, maybe Staley got some of this, but to my recollection, the time that I saw this thing happen the most, when Michael Lewis explained Moneyball and what the A's were doing by sort of gaming the analytics to view the game differently than everyone else, and they were doing it differently at the time.

Speaker 7 A whole bunch of pot-bellied scouts wandered over, 80 years old, and they're like, what does that guy know that we don't know? I feel the game in my bones. What does that computer say?

Speaker 7 I don't care about that. People are enjoying what's happening here with the Dolphins.

Speaker 7 Rex Ryan calling him nerd boy because a football coach is supposed to be the guy who curses a lot and then says, let's go get a snack. And it's just violence and caveman grunting.

Speaker 7 And when you ask John Gruden about, hey, your math seems wrong on fourth down. And he says, what do those computer guys know about making a call on fourth down? I feel the game in my gut.

Speaker 7 That's what's happening around this coach. People are enjoying laughing at him because, oh, you didn't actually have any advantages with all your analytics and your scheming.

Speaker 10 Can I ask you a question? Why do people still invoke Moneyball? I don't know.

Speaker 10 As if they were any kind of successful. First off, the movie's all about Scott Hadaburg and not one of the greatest pitching staffs in the 21st century.
It's like they made a movie about the Wildcat.

Speaker 10 Same exact level of success. Oh, we found this incredible thing where Ronnie Brown takes a snap and we don't win jack shit with it.
Can we stop talking about Moneyball?

Speaker 7 Well, I would say that the reason that we talk about it is because not unlike the Tampa Bay Rays who have also not won anything, they found a way to compete with less money with the teams that had the $100 and $200 million

Speaker 7 money advantage.

Speaker 10 Right, but can we make a movie about how they got good draft picks and good pitchers?

Speaker 14 Can we at least agree that it's ridiculous that not once in that movie were Zito, Hudson, or Mulder mentioned?

Speaker 10 They had Jason Giambi. They were really bad.
Like, it's not about necessarily winning within the margins. It's about, like, the sport rewards the bad teams with good draft picks and they draft well.

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Speaker 7 That's part of it, but I would say that in a salary-capped sport like football, you want to have the management team that knows how to find inefficiencies better than the other management teams.

Speaker 7 And it's one of the places, if you're going to make the money equal, which it's equal, Tatua has how much guaranteed? It's 160 what million?

Speaker 10 167 million.

Speaker 7 So if you're going to make the money equal, and if you can't actually overcome, oh, if you miss on Deshaun Watson, you're done.

Speaker 7 Like if you give that kind of guaranteed money, if that's the mistake you make, it's going to set you back for years.

Speaker 7 We're spending so much time these days talking in football about what guys make and who's the highest paid offensive lineman, etc., etc. We're doing a lot of money talk.

Speaker 7 So what we had that excited us with McDaniel when they were scoring 70 points is, oh my God, they figured something out. And then I can make the criticism you just made of Moneyball.

Speaker 7 What they figure out? They got Tyreek Hill. They got the fastest player.
Of course they score 70 points in a game.

Speaker 7 It would have broken the record if they, you know, I think McDaniel didn't even go for a field goal late in that game, or they would have broken the record for points in a game.

Speaker 15 But that game wasn't even just Tyreek Hill.

Speaker 2 That was Devon A.

Speaker 19 like coming out party.

Speaker 18 We're like, oh my God, like it's more than just Moster.

Speaker 2 We have reinforcements.

Speaker 15 Like this team is fast and it's young and like there's depth here that they can continue with this offense.

Speaker 2 If someone goes down, they can keep reloading here.

Speaker 7 This is interesting though to me as the Eagles now fight back on

Speaker 7 like pridefully.

Speaker 7 Really, you're going to change the rules because we do something that can't be stopped? The Dolphins... as a study were trying to win the game by scheming and being faster than you and looked faster.

Speaker 7 And as soon as it got to the playoffs, we're all like, yeah, fast, but soft.

Speaker 7 And so football's all about, no, we're going to keep hitting you in the mouth, especially now that all the quarterbacks are thrown for 150 yards.

Speaker 7 It's just, we're going to keep pounding you in the mouth. And who's going to be the champion? The team that tush pushes.

Speaker 10 I do feel for Mike McDaniel and this Dolphins regime a little bit in that they made it to the playoffs twice. They had Skylar Thompson in there.

Speaker 10 This isn't exactly what the whole franchise was built on.

Speaker 28 Almost won that game with Skylar Thompson at Buffalo.

Speaker 10 And look, we're a speed team. We're going to put up points.
We're more finesse.

Speaker 10 Let's have the coldest playoff game in the history of this franchise.

Speaker 10 And against the team of the generation in the Kansas City Chiefs. It is a little bit of tough luck.

Speaker 14 Okay, but where are we now? Like, it doesn't end at that point. Yeah, they were unlucky with all the injuries and the weather, and they're playing the Super Bowl champions and the Chiefs.

Speaker 7 Okay.

Speaker 14 Let's keep it moving.

Speaker 14 And then last year was last year. Now this year,

Speaker 14 it's this downward trajectory. like whatever.
So they made the playoffs the first two years. Who cares? Like, let's keep moving here.
And look at them. They're embarrassing.

Speaker 27 But it wasn't just bad luck because they had

Speaker 4 those seasons came down to loss to the Titans.

Speaker 10 That's all our fault. Last season,

Speaker 30 the playoffs because they lost the Titans early in the week.

Speaker 10 That's our fault. We did a watch.
They were

Speaker 10 busy.

Speaker 30 The season before they lost the Titans on Monday night football when they had control of the division.

Speaker 14 They were up three games with five to play, and somehow they still didn't defend the division.

Speaker 7 Lost to the Titans.

Speaker 29 Two years in a row.

Speaker 30 Like last year, they missed a place by a game, and they lost to the Titans like week three or week four.

Speaker 14 And the Monday Night One were ahead by two touchdowns in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 Three minutes left, not just the fourth quarter.

Speaker 7 Well, that is, you could point to that as ground zero.

Speaker 20 He does that to everyone. If you squinted that night, Dan, you.

Speaker 7 That game is where the descent started, and it happened pretty quickly. I do want to before we get to UM and UF though just examine the glee around the downfall

Speaker 7 because when Rex Ryan is on television calling you nerd boy that is not a level of disrespect like he's talkative and he's outspoken. That's not a level of disrespect that he ever gives another head

Speaker 28 when he wants the job he kind of goes after them.

Speaker 14 He's done this he was pretty hard on Brandon Staley.

Speaker 28 When he sees a job that he might get he goes after them.

Speaker 10 He's pretty good at speaking too. And I think Philly was right in invoking Brandon Staley because it's an affront to not just football people, but you watching at home.

Speaker 10 Brandon Staley literally cost his team a playoff opportunity because he thought he was smarter than everybody else and everyone's just applying conventional wisdom.

Speaker 10 So I do think that people do relish in these people struggling because they gave off I'm smarter than you.

Speaker 20 The other thing, too, is some guys are just built to be coordinators, right? Staley, B-Flow, maybe Mike McDaniel's not a CEO, head of the company kind of guy.

Speaker 10 Spagnola, like not a head coach, looking amazing, coordinator.

Speaker 30 All of the guys that are.

Speaker 10 Wade Phillips is like the all-time guy.

Speaker 7 You know why I don't agree with that? It's because I remember when Belichick was only a coordinator. Everyone said that about Belichick.

Speaker 10 Didn't have what it took. No, they were right.
They were right. I think they're right.
He got Tom Brady. Yeah, I think they're right.
And look at him without him.

Speaker 14 Do you watch that game against TCU?

Speaker 7 I would argue.

Speaker 7 that very often we make these assessments over here and the sport hasn't quite been taken over by all of the schemers and analytics guys.

Speaker 7 But you're not going to convince me that Siriani is a great deal smarter than the other people he's coaching about against, and certainly not Andy Reid. You're just not going to convince me of it.

Speaker 7 You're not going to, you're going to tell me that Siriani's head coaching material, and I'm going to be like, okay, if you say so, but that seems like an ideal guy given his initial press conferences.

Speaker 7 Like, you're doing it because they win. You're not doing it because you can make the assessment.
Like, I can say this, Mike Martz was that.

Speaker 7 Mike Martz was that, only offense, only coordinator, and didn't end up winning in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 7 But come on, like, you guys can't make that assessment from your couch because you don't like the personality of somebody. You can't do it.
Like, you know, you could do it.

Speaker 7 You're going to do it based on the results. You can't do it accurately when I remember Belichick.

Speaker 7 Everyone said when Belichick was hired by the Jets and then resigned on a napkin, that guy's not a guy who can be running your franchise.

Speaker 7 Like, that's somebody who's very good at coaching defense, and that's what he's going to do.

Speaker 10 And then you guys told me that Charlie Weiss is just a coordinator and matt patricia is just a coordinator and yeah they they were just coordinators but before that they learned from the guy who was just a coordinator until he won what how many championships seven how many did he win six six sorry as head coach what is the percentage point of head coaches that get to say hey good run you you were great you were awesome you can have this job as long as you like it's a transient position this is the life cycle of head coaches about four years and where you get frustrated because someone else in your division is beating your ass because they have better players than you and you think that well let's clean house that'll be the way when really you need to strike on a on a quarterback and Dolphins fans thought that they did but he couldn't take the hits in the league okay but we didn't imagine all right when Mostert was scoring 18 touchdowns and we knew that wasn't an 18 touchdown player that that was Mostert's ability That's not, that's none of us were doing that.

Speaker 7 We're like, that's a really fast player.

Speaker 10 We're not doing like this, this offensive scheme dating back to Mike Shanahan has gotten mike anderson and we were giving we were giving the coach the credit for mostert being what

Speaker 10 mostert was a jacket like it's a scheme it's a scheme which made the first year so confusing because the running game wasn't what mostert did it and he showed you versatility i can do it either way hey third year tight ends are a thing now the thing about him mcdaniel acting quote-unquote acting like he's smarter than everyone else is we wouldn't sound howling with laughing betrayal right now if all of us hadn't believed it.

Speaker 7 Like, that was something we were believing when they were scoring 70.

Speaker 10 Out of the three key pieces here, let's throw Tyreek Hill in there. We all know Tyreek Hill is a problem.
It's a super talented. Four key pieces.
Yeah, four, yeah. Quarterback two.

Speaker 10 Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying. The only reason we all thought Tua was any good was because the stats that he put up in Mike McDaniel's offense.

Speaker 10 The only time you've ever seen Tua be good and had belief in Tua was with Mike McDaniel.

Speaker 16 Well, no, in college, like he was under Nick Steven.

Speaker 18 Everyone believed in him.

Speaker 10 And then when he came here,

Speaker 16 he came to Brian Flores, who did not want him to succeed.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I'm talking about the pros, though. I mean, I've seen him do it with Tua.
So I'm more inclined to believe Tua is an issue than Mike McDaniel.

Speaker 14 I think, look, it's an easy answer. I think they're both issues because Mike McDaniel's job when he got here, he had two jobs, all right, when he first got here.
The first job was,

Speaker 14 can you show us if Tua can play quarterback? That was his first job. And he succeeded at that.
All right.

Speaker 14 Once we found that part out, okay, step two of your job is, can you actually coach the entire team now? And what we're learning is not sure. Not sure if you can coach the entire team.

Speaker 14 And the Tua part, he did his job there, except based on what I'm seeing, I think Tua is broken.

Speaker 21 I don't think he's the quarterback he was three years ago.

Speaker 4 He also had no success without Tua.

Speaker 15 Like every time Tua has been out, he has not won those games.

Speaker 19 So I don't think that we can just say that Mike McDaniel's great at his job and Tu is holding him back.

Speaker 20 I think the other thing too is he runs a tough scheme, right? Didn't Tyreek Hill say, I just learned the scheme like this year? It's been three years that I might be in the game. Possibly.

Speaker 20 But again, as you're a quarterback coming in, you're Snoop Huntley being like, all right, I have to learn this super complicated scheme in a week. Let me figure it out.

Speaker 10 Like it's really tough.

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Speaker 7 This stuff happens very quickly, where you go from genius to Rex Ryan calling you Mick Genius and nerd boy.

Speaker 7 It happens so quickly that I know people are going to listen to this Dabo Swinney sound and they're going to hear the arrogance of what it is that Dabo Swinney does.

Speaker 7 But I'm going to play that sound for you so that you guys hear him remind you of what he is and what Clemson's been because you start with a loss.

Speaker 7 You start with a couple of losses if you're Clemson and you see how quickly the whole thing evaporates on you. You create the expectations.

Speaker 7 You guys have heard me say this before.

Speaker 7 I cannot imagine what it's like to be vrabel in New England because you create such unreasonable expectations that an entire generation of people forgets that the Patriots were bad for 40 years before that.

Speaker 7 They were terrible for 40 years before that. And it was a miracle that they made the Super Bowl and then got slaughtered with Steve Grogan at quarterback.
And then everyone just gets real forgetful.

Speaker 7 And it's not just decades over which they get forgetful. They get forgetful the first two games of a season in college football.

Speaker 10 But certainly, it's easier to be Mike Grable than it was to be Gerard Mayo. Yeah.
Correct.

Speaker 24 He's the savior that's going to come in and get them right back on track.

Speaker 18 Wait, by the way, they weren't on track at the end of the Belichick.

Speaker 7 All right, make it Alabama then.

Speaker 10 Don't make it the Patriots if you don't want to make it to Patriots. Don't take these jobs.
Don't follow the legend. Just don't take these jobs.
Look what happened to Musk Champ in

Speaker 10 Florida. Makes it to an SEC championship game, recruits at a top 10 level.
level, out of here.

Speaker 10 In fact, they fired three coaches, each of them with an improving winning percentage, just because I read that Billy Napier has to win his 28 next games to match Dan Mullen's winning percentage.

Speaker 10 Just don't follow the legends.

Speaker 15 I mean, if you're Kalen DeBoer, though, it's hard to say no to eight years, $87 million.

Speaker 25 Like, I'll take the ego hit because maybe it works, but if it doesn't,

Speaker 2 you're good.

Speaker 10 Got a house in the keys. There are also examples in college footage

Speaker 10 where guys keep the machine going. Because Larry Coker and Ryan Day would laugh right in my face saying, eh, we can follow the legends.
Ryan Day's been great. Larry Coker.
Not great.

Speaker 7 Perfect. Just a coordinator.

Speaker 9 Sweet man.

Speaker 7 But one more at the beginning of his career than any coach in college football history.

Speaker 10 But only a coordinator.

Speaker 7 Used up all of the Butch Davis talent and couldn't get another job after that.

Speaker 7 did almost win two consecutive championships if not for Terry Porter, that cheating bum that needs to be interviewed by the assembled media and when's Pablo gonna get on that thrilled Larry Coker also tried to rebuild UTSA afterwards I mean built it from the ground up yeah

Speaker 10 I love that sweet man don't don't you dare don't nobody dare say he went to my church I love him he's a sweet man he seems like a really nice guy was no he's not Greek Orthodox I went to University Baptist church when I was in high school was dude you didn't kill that's not a $50 fine no no no I'm just saying was in the past since from when I shook his hand no he recently embraced the devil yes that's right ghost he's still a nice guy I think Larry Coker did not put it on the poll at Levittard show.

Speaker 7 Has Larry Coker recently embraced the devil? I don't know why, Billy Coker.

Speaker 10 No, don't you? Well, because you said he used to be Creep Worth,

Speaker 10 whatever.

Speaker 10 I was trying to coach him at Mike because he's not dead.

Speaker 15 So when you said he used to be, how did he used to be?

Speaker 2 Did he die?

Speaker 18 No, he didn't die. He just, you know, embraced the devil.

Speaker 10 No longer Creek Worth. Coordinator, Brian Flores, maybe coordinator juice.

Speaker 15 Listen, I'm going to come right out and say it.

Speaker 16 I don't know that for a fact.

Speaker 15 In fact, I may have invented that just for entertainment purposes.

Speaker 15 I don't know his stance on the devil.

Speaker 6 Probably anti-devil.

Speaker 10 Very anti-devil from my limited engagements with the man.

Speaker 10 Now, if we're a pro-devil, like, whatever, that's you, no judgment here, but I don't think that's like...

Speaker 14 I would judge someone who's pro-devil. Really?

Speaker 10 Yeah. Why? Don't put that on me.

Speaker 14 I'll judge the hell out of you if you're pro-devil.

Speaker 10 Why is that?

Speaker 14 Because the devil sucks, man.

Speaker 21 How do you know?

Speaker 14 Believe me, I know.

Speaker 24 Have you ever met anyone that you're like, you know what?

Speaker 4 I heard really bad things about this person.

Speaker 17 They're not that bad.

Speaker 14 Look, know I know it's Wild Billy Wednesday. You're going to start this shit here? You're going to defend the devil?

Speaker 21 No, I'm not defending the devil.

Speaker 18 I'm just saying I don't know the devil personally.

Speaker 15 So I don't want to judge or judge others that may have a more intimate relationship with you.

Speaker 27 I've been judged.

Speaker 7 You don't want to judge the devil? I feel like that's an okay one to judge, even if you want to be non-judgmental.

Speaker 10 It's a slippery slope. I don't think that's a slippery slope.
You start with the devil. It's a little condemned, guys.

Speaker 30 You start with the devil, and then I'm out there, and someone's telling me, hey, Fatso, why are you eating that French toast today?

Speaker 18 And I'm like, whoa.

Speaker 14 That slope is so dry.

Speaker 7 It's not not slippery it's on fire too it's there's fire all around lava though lava slippery until it dries since 2011 okay okay clemson has had double digit wins every season but one since 2011 so this is why dabo's mad when people yell at him about losing to a very well-coached georgia tech team if they if they want me gone they can if they tired of winning they can send me on the way because that's all we've done is win so if they tired of winning we've had we've won this league eight out of the last 10 years is that not good I'm just asking, is that good?

Speaker 8 I don't know if that's good or not, to win your league eight out of 10 years, to go to the playoffs seven out of 10 years, to be in four national championships, win it twice.

Speaker 10 Yeah, we're a little down right now.

Speaker 8 Take your shots, but I got a long memory, in case y'all don't know. We'll be all right.
We'll bounce back. This is a program built to last, always has been, always will be.

Speaker 8 And I would just say, if you give up on us, if you don't believe on us because we've lost two games down to the last trade and we're one, you didn't believe in us anyway, so it don't matter.

Speaker 8 You wasn't all in anyway. If you're all in, you burn the ships, man.
You ain't no, there ain't no exit strategy. Like, you're freaking all in.
And hey, listen, I mean, the Clemson's tired of winning.

Speaker 8 They send me on my way, but I'm going to go somewhere else and coach. I ain't going to the beach.
Hell, I'm 55. I got a long way to go.
Y'all going to have to deal with me for a while.

Speaker 10 I got a long way to go.

Speaker 8 I'm just getting going. I'm just now good enough to be a head coach.

Speaker 14 Is there a profession on earth that talks more highly of themselves than than the college football head coach.

Speaker 10 It's kind of right, though.

Speaker 10 He's absolutely right.

Speaker 10 He's absolutely right. He did that at Clemson.

Speaker 10 He beat Nick Sabens, Alabama when they were absolutely rolling. He had the season last year that Clemson fans were pining for for three decades.
He is absolutely right.

Speaker 10 I remember what they were saying last year, and they ended up winning the ACC and playing admirably well at Texas in the college football playoff. He's absolutely right.

Speaker 10 That guy can stay in charge at Clemson as long as he wants.

Speaker 7 There's a generation of people who do not know that Clemson used to have a verb, Clemsoning, that was super negative that the team was going to collapse under every circumstance.

Speaker 7 That has been eliminated since 2011. They do nothing but double-digit wins since 2011.

Speaker 10 Beat Nick Sabens, Alabama twice.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 10 With Deshaun Watson and a true freshman, Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 10 Both of which are ass in the pros right now.

Speaker 7 Ass.

Speaker 14 That is important to point out. He won with two terrible quarterbacks.

Speaker 10 Well, great college quarters. Great.

Speaker 10 NFL quarterbacks. Number one draft picks.
Terrible.

Speaker 4 That's why I said right now.

Speaker 10 But, I mean, Trevor Lawrence was a true freshman. Those are not terrible quarterbacks.
Those are great college quarterbacks.

Speaker 10 Trevor Lawrence has never looked better than he did with Dabo as a freshman. Never looked better.

Speaker 7 I've been doing this too long. If we're going to take number one draft picks and say that they're terrible college quarterbacks.

Speaker 10 Have you not watched Trevor Lawrence? They're ass right now. They're ass right now.
Dabo absolutely should get a lifetime contract from that. Go ahead, let that get away.

Speaker 10 Alabama will be the first phone call that he gets. And with that support system, he'll get that train moving again.

Speaker 15 I think if Trevor Lawrence went back to Clemson today, he would light up college football.

Speaker 7 That's true. When you say they're ass, I believe that the ass gets a bad rap here.

Speaker 7 I believe that the ass is a very functional thing.

Speaker 14 There's some good ass.

Speaker 10 There's a lot of good ass.

Speaker 10 They're the badass. Do you want to fight me on Trevor Lawrence and Deshaun Watson being ass presently? They are ass ass.

Speaker 7 I am fighting you on ass as an insult. The ass is necessary.
There are many fine asses.

Speaker 7 And the way that you guys are describing this right now, and trust me, I had Jacksonville on the money line Sunday.

Speaker 7 So when he dropped back to pass, what I saw was a body with an ass on top with a face mask. There was an ass on his face.

Speaker 10 He was wearing number seven, Dan. That's what he was wearing.

Speaker 10 Mike Williams is out of the league now. He's retired.
Christian Wilkins, ass.

Speaker 10 I'm just saying. Those Alabama teams that they beat, they got guys still in the league.

Speaker 32 We could be talking about a donkey, you know, a mule, that type of ass.

Speaker 14 Not all ass is bad. I'm telling you, there's a lot of ass on my algorithm, and it ain't that bad.

Speaker 10 He works hard.

Speaker 15 Christian Wilkins is injured and then released from his team because of something weird. Something that we don't exactly know.

Speaker 10 He was expendable.

Speaker 7 Where is he now? Did he re-sign in?

Speaker 10 Nowhere.

Speaker 18 I think he's still recovering from whatever his injury was.

Speaker 7 He kissed someone on the head. That's what Leonard Lee is.

Speaker 10 Conflict reports.

Speaker 10 And other people have gone at like, oh, you're softening your reporting. That's not actually what happened.
And it was a whole thing. And then the game started.

Speaker 10 And we're like, we don't give a shit anymore.

Speaker 7 Justin Tucker anywhere? Is someone going to sign Justin Tucker when they get into a panicked situation?

Speaker 7 Justin Tucker.

Speaker 10 I don't know if anybody's kicking situation is going to be that desperate. I'm pretty sure Justin Tucker is done, done.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 I'd be shocked.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I got ball sacked not too long ago where I'm like, the Browns signed him.

Speaker 16 And then that's why I remember.

Speaker 15 I was like, yeah, he's. And I was like, no, that was fake.

Speaker 7 Is that the verb you want to use with Justin Tucker that you got ball sacked without any context?

Speaker 6 I think that means.

Speaker 16 Without any context, no one would know what that meant. Precisely.
With the context is why it becomes bad.

Speaker 10 You're the problem.

Speaker 15 You made this bad.

Speaker 7 UM and UF is this weekend.

Speaker 7 And while they don't play all the time, I'm old enough to remember when that was the University of Miami's biggest game and biggest rival, that there was no rival bigger than Florida.

Speaker 7 I think some of that has dissipated, right? Because the games were against Florida State, and Miami doesn't hate Florida State. Bobby Bowden's part of the reason for that.

Speaker 7 But when you think of rivalries with Miami, Notre Dame goes to a higher level than Florida because all those games in the past were always for the championship.

Speaker 7 But Florida, Miami is still, I thought that that's why the point spread is where it is, honestly, because people are just giving, the money is giving respect to the idea that teams that don't like each other and have rivalry games, that those games are often very close or closer than you expect them to be.

Speaker 14 I think sports books are just trying to help boost the economy, because that's free money.

Speaker 10 I think it's a perfect line. Florida showed last year that when their backs are up against the wall, they play hard for their head coach.

Speaker 10 To me, this is my most hated rival. I know it's not, the feeling's not mutual.
Florida, even though they would readily admit that they hate Miami,

Speaker 10 they'd consider Georgia their biggest rival.

Speaker 10 I got it, Florida, Florida State, Notre Dame, and then like the Virginia Techs of the world. But I think that Florida's defense.

Speaker 14 The Kates are probably fourth on Georgia's list.

Speaker 14 Georgia. On Florida's list.
They would have Georgia, Tennessee, Florida State.

Speaker 10 LSU. But

Speaker 7 only because they stopped playing.

Speaker 10 They stopped playing. And this was absolutely Florida's choice to stop playing Miami.
Miami would absolutely play Florida every year if they could. And it dates back to the Gator Flop.

Speaker 10 It dates back to recruiting battles over the last

Speaker 10 five years or so. The fiercest battles between these two teams have been on the recruiting trail.

Speaker 14 But why have they been so readily

Speaker 14 willing over really like the last 10 plus years, 15 even, to start playing again?

Speaker 10 I mean, these were scheduled years ago when Florida had their program running and Miami was desperate to get back to that level. And it's a big-time moneymaker.

Speaker 10 I think we'll go several years again without seeing these two teams play.

Speaker 14 Is this the last one scheduled?

Speaker 10 Yeah, last one scheduled, I believe.

Speaker 1 This is the big rivalry for the, like, you guys are talking about from the fans' perspective.

Speaker 28 From the players, though, a lot of these kids like grew up together.

Speaker 31 I would argue Miami, Florida, like the players think this is the biggest rivalry.

Speaker 10 Most of the players on this field had a decision to make. Do I go to Florida or do I go to Miami? And they picked their sides.

Speaker 7 The way that Florida played, you said they could have won that game and they could have. And it's hard to win a game when your quarterback is throwing five interceptions.

Speaker 7 I don't know how many there have been in history where your quarterback is throwing five interceptions.

Speaker 14 They usually get taken out after four. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Or your Jared Goff.

Speaker 7 I have not seen a quarterback play that was quite that catastrophic this year. And they were all these throws.
What you saw on almost all of the throws was, ooh, he's slopping it in there super soft.

Speaker 7 And he's just giving a lot of time for that. He doesn't have the arm strength.

Speaker 7 He thinks, Lang White thinks he's got a stronger arm than he does trying to make those throws against the secondary that can move.

Speaker 10 I'm a Lagway believer in watching that game live.

Speaker 10 I haven't done a re-watch, but I do know people that do like breakdown film and they say like, this guy is broken, but you can tell like he entered fall camp.

Speaker 10 We all know about the shoulder injury, but then he got a calf strain. And you can see in his throws, he is not using his lower body to throw these balls.

Speaker 10 And that's why they don't, they don't look the same way that, and also, I think it played a role in his conditioning. DJ Lagaway is a big dude.
He's like 250 pounds.

Speaker 10 He's a big guy and it doesn't look particularly in shape.

Speaker 7 You saw the interceptions though, right? Like the way he's throwing the ball to places where it's a bad throw, bad decision, thrown too softly.

Speaker 7 And he's telegraphing in a way that's giving the corners and safety plenty of time to size it up. And they're not,

Speaker 7 LSU wasn't making great plays to make those interceptions.

Speaker 10 No, no. In fact, watching that game, I'm like, I think Brian Kelly is maybe not the first question, but is your offense ass? Also, it's a very reasonable question.

Speaker 7 I wish someone opened

Speaker 7 Brian Kelly's next press conference by trying to provoke him. Why is your offense so ass?

Speaker 10 Excuse me, Brian. We just need one run to not be ass.
Did you not see it? Did you not see it?

Speaker 14 I already told you. There's a lot of ass out there that's good, my algorithm.

Speaker 7 Okay, you've mentioned this before. I thought it was boobs.
I thought your algorithm was boobs.

Speaker 14 There's a lot out there in the algorithm. I'll discriminate.

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