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And y'all,

it's just the two of us.

You already know I had that.

Hey, I'm getting you on the track, Ross.

Two of us.

Two of us.

She got a voice, y'all.

Two of us.

Anyway, we are in LA and Angel McCotry, five-time WNBA All-Star.

And I'm Roz Gold on Wooday, well-known on the good teammate wall at Stanford University.

Can you explain to us what that means?

That you're a five-time all-star and I'm on the good teammate wall.

So you're on the good teammate wall.

So there's different walls?

There's different walls.

So, okay, y'all.

Oh, there it is.

Okay.

So, I just recently came in from the Bay Area.

I was at Stanford University visiting with my alma mater.

I visited with the women's basketball team.

Really excited for them as they head into year two in the ACC.

Woo-hoo!

And I did some media training sessions with them, and it was awesome.

But they gave me a tour of their brand spanking new locker room.

Child to be born, and I don't even know what year, 2000.

510, 2010.

It's a nice life.

It's luxurious in that locker room.

My goodness.

They got mirrors and lighting and all high ceilings.

Oh, wow.

I want to live there.

Anyway, so there's different walls.

And one of the walls was for all of the all-Americans.

One of the walls was for all of the WNBA players that came out of Stanford basketball.

And then Kate Pay, the new coach of the Stanford, walked me over.

She said, Here you are, Roz.

You're on the wall for good teammates.

And I love that, though.

Like, I was mad proud.

First of all, it's a sisterhood.

I was proud.

I had a very nice slice of real estate on the good teammate wall.

Hey.

She's up on the wall.

Okay.

I've made a wall.

That's all that matters.

She's on the wall.

I've made a wall.

And it's a sisterhood

and all that.

But we had a good chuckle when I was telling them that before the show.

I was like, yeah, no.

I loved it.

You won a good teammate.

Hey, she's a good teammate, man.

Absolutely.

And five-time WNBA All-Star Angel.

Yes.

McCautri.

All-American in college.

I'm on the All-American wall, but that doesn't matter.

You're on a good teammate wall.

Did you win National Player of the Year in college, too?

I don't even remember.

You did.

Did I?

I don't remember.

I think you did.

Anyway.

All right.

Moving on to today's show.

People are talking about the WNBA that have not talked about the WNBA either before or in a very long time.

I guess all of this attention is good.

Good attention.

I don't know.

We'll discuss it.

And then as we head into the WNBA finals between the Las Vegas Aces and the Phoenix Mercury, we will break down the chip on the shoulder of the Phoenix Mercury and how they've been carrying that around and can they silence the doubters and and maybe get a win over the aces hey maybe

we shall see we shall see well guys you can check us out tuesdays and thursdays thank you for supporting us at the good follow show link comment subscribe we love hearing your comments let's get going bam that was your best one yet that was my best one that was your best one yet finally i got the cue right guys y'all angel has like one like assigned line the rest of this is all just like off the top you know just speaking at each other but it's just and this is your best rendition of it.

We should do a clip.

We should do like a montage of all of Angels.

Okay, guys.

Wait, wait, wait.

Every Tuesday and Thursday, we have a show.

Now,

you did great.

Let's go.

Now we're going to have a good show.

After Nafisa Collier's exit interview, the entire basketball world, in fact, really the sports world was shaken up.

And she has everyone talking.

And I guess it's a good thing all of this exposure.

I mean, I think it is, but let's just check some of the coverage out that's coming out right now.

Kya says it's not about W's and L's.

Yes, it is.

You lost the game.

You lost the ball.

And you're frustrated.

B, your coach acted like a complete...

You don't act like that.

You don't act like that.

And she should apologize.

You know what?

I was out of line.

The court was right.

I can't run into court, curse out the fans, and then on top of it, destroy the officials when my season should deserve the suspension.

Oh, my God.

You know what?

Bless Monica McNutt's heart.

I swear to God.

She didn't, they didn't called Monica in, and Monica came to work.

She was itching, like, uh, she, I don't even think she expected to see or hear for a second there.

I was like, is he gonna call Sherriba her name?

I was like, wait a minute.

Oh, my God.

But that was from Mad Dog, um, Chris, uh, Chris Russo on First Take.

Let's let's hear some more.

Skip Bayless chimed in.

If Caitlin Clark, out since July 15th, had returned for the playoffs, the fever would be in the finals oh my gosh hey thank you so much for your for chiming in skip so great to hear from you uh this wnba season just like not that and this is no shade to caitlin like it's probably possible sure we like caitlin's an excellent player this is not even about caitlin it's just about oh okay i see that you've made it to the to the conversation thank you skip

and this is your this is your contribution some hypothetical like there's so much actual things that actually have happened you could comment on, and you're just gonna

and and for skip.

Skip, my message to you is: let's nothing against Caitlin.

Can you give the girls props who made it to the semifinals?

No, he didn't watch that.

Girl, stop.

Who they only lost by what two points or something like that?

Child,

the fact, okay, let's keep going.

Okay, we're not gonna get because that's not even all of the big talking heads, huge platforms that are that are now speaking about the WNBA.

And we're happy to have the word, I guess, or the brand get out there.

But I mean, perhaps how it's being discussed is so inflammatory or just crazy.

But let's go on.

Going back to

first take, God bless Monica McNutt.

Now let's hear from Stephen A.

Kathy Ingelbrookdu, Commissioner of the League.

You need to resign.

Period.

When a player,

any player,

but especially one of that magnitude,

attacks you publicly like that.

That weak ass statement Commissioner Engelberg gave is not good enough.

She basically provided no defense of herself.

Her words were piercing.

That was an attack against your leadership.

It was an attack against your integrity.

It was an attack against your character.

Against your character.

And that's the statement you came out with.

Mm.

it's getting spicy yeah I mean and actually it's not even that sometimes the comments being made are things you may you may even agree with or it's it's you know but later he he full on came out and was like Kathy Engelbert needs to resign

and just a really bold statement you know to come out and and and declare that the the commissioner of a professional sports league needs to be fired and for that to possibly be one of your three public statements on the w nba for the season is bold is bold um okay we got one more person.

So Dave Portnoy,

actually,

not only does he think that Kathy should be out, but he thinks he could do a better job as commissioners.

Oh, really?

Let's tap in.

What if the WNBA approached you to be the commissioner?

There we go.

I said it.

All these women who think they hate me, Angel Reese, she thinks she hates me.

The one with the fingernails thinks she's hating me.

D.

John Carrington, these girls would be whining and dying and be like, oh my God, it's not about the color of the skin.

It's about sports, basketball.

And this guy's putting money in my pocket.

He's a genius.

We would be flying, dining, and driving.

It would be unbelievable.

I would

absolutely

see.

Kathy Engelberg can't market her way out of a paper bag, embrace the stuff that's going on in this league.

She's doing investing.

Who invests an entire fan base over nothing and creates everyone?

Who wants your fans to be called racist for no reason this this woman's a moron

well

i for me there's certainly people there's fan bases that agree with with dave and and he's talking to somebody there and but i'm not even here to critique what what some of these people are or not saying it's just the manner in which they have like plowed their way into the WNBA conversation, Angel.

First, I'm going to say for Dave,

Portnoy.

The first thing is, I need to talk to your wife or girlfriend or whoever to see how you're going to manage all these women.

If it's going to be another commissioner in our WBA, it's going to be someone who has dealt with the blood, sweat, and tears in this league.

And who I nominate?

NECA Agumika as our next commissioner.

Ooh.

Well, she's already, you know, president of the Players Association.

There you go.

And as somebody who has been a player under her tutelage or her leadership,

what stands out about NECA?

She's an amazing person, number one.

She's been through the blood, sweat, and tears.

She's a great leader.

I've played with her.

She just knows how to weather this storm.

She's been fighting for us for the CBA for a long time.

And you've been her teammate.

Yeah.

So you know these qualities that she would be a great leader for.

Well, I would run through a wall for NECA.

There you go.

I think she's a great human being, a great leader, a great teammate.

You know, and so I didn't even know you were going to make a nomination.

I certainly stand behind NECA for anything, full stop.

But, you know, we've heard some critique coming out from players that the next commissioner,

it's not just about being a good business person.

You got to know ball.

I think also you got to understand the wants, needs, plights, desires, coverage, lifestyle, the

nuances of the players within your league.

And if a majority of them, you know, are minorities, are black, are the LBGQ community,

you know, you to be able to resonate and relate and also empathize.

And it's been a lack of connection and empathy with Kathy Engelberg that keeps coming up and coming up.

And this isn't just the black thing.

Like, you know, I would point out Kathy has had a few missteps now.

You know, even when she came to the bay and was supposed to give the Coach of the Year award to Natalie Nikase.

And That's a huge award.

It's one of the major awards for the season.

And she had a blunder in mispronouncing her name.

She said Nikase or Nikase or whatever.

And she was corrected by the media.

And at the moment did go viral, but it's more than just like, did she have a slip up?

When you're under so much critique, it actually was revealing of, well, one, was she properly prepared?

Two, are you familiar with your league?

Are you watching your league?

How do you not know how to say Nikase's name?

This name's been said all season long.

All we're talking about is the incredible coaching job happening in the bay with all those injuries and, you know, kind of lacking of big-name players look at how well they're doing nakase nakase nakase right and then to go back to insensitivity culturally there was power in that name to give her the coach of the year now nakase is the first ever asian american head coach in wnba history So to go up there and have this culturally relevant, this Asian American coach and to say her name wrong showed a lack of sensitivity, cultural sensitivity.

So, you know, she's had a few slip-ups like that.

And to say the least, so Dave, you got to know the players' names.

Okay.

Right.

At least, right.

The girl with the nails, the girl crazy.

And then you

the girl with the nails is absolutely insane.

I want to go back because that's not.

Okay.

He did his thing.

I want to go back to mad dog Chris Russo

because

on first take, before he even speaks about the WNBA,

he actually starts it with, well, I'm not really following this.

Oh, Jesus.

I don't really follow it.

There's no world,

Angel, there's no world where a woman

could go on any national network and begin her commentary with, I don't, I'm not really following this.

I don't watch, I don't really talk about it.

I likely did not prepare.

Can you imagine?

Did not prepare for what I'm about to say to you.

And then not only have some commentary, have some really strong commentary, have some really strong opinions about like what should happen here.

And his whole dialogue was just lacking in the right respect and understanding of the gravitas of of Cheryl Reeve.

Like, of course, her behavior was poor, but babe, this is, this is like pop of the league, you know, like you're ups, you kind of played down Nafisa Collier, but without having the depth of knowledge to know what the, what the battle has been with officiating for the whole season long.

And okay, I'll give you this example.

When you go to someone's house for like the first time, Angel, you go to someone's house, you're usually polite.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

You might even come into the house for the first time and ask them, do you guys take your shoes off here?

Should I take my shoes off the door?

Yeah.

Okay.

You know, you might even, you might even, you want best behavior.

You might come over with a dish.

Yeah.

I come over with a bottle of wine.

People have come over to my house.

They've given me a candle.

Etiquette.

Etiquette.

Right.

Or just, it's the first time you've been there.

Maybe it's, you know, so you still polite.

And these, these people are coming in.

one or two times a year to the house of women's basketball and ain't nothing like ain't nothing about it.

Like, okay, well,

let me lean into you, Monica.

What do you think?

Because you know, you've been covering it all year, or da-da-da-da.

Instead, they in there throwing things in the fridge, drinking out straight out the carton, talking about your family, mucking up the floor, mud all on the floor with their shoes,

jumping on the couch.

That's what it feels like.

Coming right in, demanding commissioners should be fired and that they could do a better job, and randomly having a tweet that has like, honestly, like not a lot to do with the moment, or just coming in and doing the most being so loud.

And I appreciate the platform, but often their coverage with these huge platforms is so like alarmist and often used to kind of sh ⁇ on the league or used to point out moments when there's mishaps or, you know, or like.

talk down on the women who are playing.

It's inflammatory coverage.

Yeah.

There were some great stories.

How about where were y'all when Kelsey Mitchell had that inspiring run?

There you go.

Where were y'all when the Aces were on a 17-game win streak, which was historically significant?

They were almost on the verge of having the longest winning streak in the history of the league, but they fell short.

That was a great story.

Where were you to cover that?

There you go.

There were stars in that story.

We're not asking you to cover something small.

That was big.

So you only come here to run the league and talk about when things are on fire.

I guess.

But it's given, it's given bandwagon behavior.

But like you said, if we did that, we would get roasted we could never do that in football we could never do that in the nba but here you guys can come in our league and and on it like you said no research done and and brag about it brag i don't want i'm the next commissioner or or i i don't i don't i don't follow this how can you even be allowed to speak on a professional platform first of all where's your where's where bring back shame How can you speak so strong when you are willingly, willing to admit, I don't watch, I don't follow.

And like, if it was me, I would have come in and had a much more demure, cutesy, you know, take.

Like, you know, I think what's happening in the league is, you know,

it's a lot happening.

The ladies have a lot at stake.

We'll be following.

But to just come in and

everything.

And let me say this to Chris Russo.

The last thing you want to do is injure three ligaments in your foot.

Right.

You have a career in the injury in this league.

The workers can't finish.

You're done.

Remember, we don't have pension.

So that's the last thing you want to do.

But that's a whole nother story.

So to what you said, we could never.

Oh, we could never.

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I'm Roz, she's Angel.

And today was the exit interviews for the Indiana Fever.

And you know, everybody's been waiting to hear from Caitlin Clark and what she has to say about Fee's comments and everything about the commissioner and the league and all the things.

So she spoke on it.

Here's what Caitlin had to say.

I have great respect for Fee, and I think she made a lot of very valid points.

And, you know, if Fee Fee said it all, this is

straight up the most important moment in this league's history.

Well, this league's been around for 25 plus years.

Caitlin Clark basically, you know, unified front with all of the players, which I think is really important right now as they head into CBA discussions.

And the end of October date is looming here and likely not to be met.

But Sophie Cunningham also gave her two cents during exit interviews for The Fever, and she had this to say.

I'm just tired of our league.

league our leadership from top to bottom needs to be held accountable i think that there are a lot of people in a position of power in the w nba who they might be really great business people but they don't know about basketball

so

sophie gonna tell you like it is gonna tell you exactly how she feels uh what do you what do you make of this angel you being a former player i wouldn't sophie i wouldn't say i'm just tired of our league i wouldn't say that part i would have left that part out and just talk about the leadership we need.

But it's speaking to a level of frustration that everyone's at right now.

No, it's definitely a big level of frustration.

Shout out to Caitlin because we needed to hear your voice.

You know, we need you.

You are a big voice in our league.

So I'm happy to hear what she had to say.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's important to hear from Caitlin because so much of momentum has come with her joining the league.

You know, look, you can't deny that there is some kind of Clark effect here.

She definitely demands attention, eyeballs, dollars.

So this is the WNBA's newest, most

attention-getting asset right now.

You want to hear that, who was she with?

And

if she didn't endorse Fee and the players and come in the Unified Front, even she didn't have to say, oh, I'm pro Kathy in the league.

It would be taken as that.

It would have been.

So to continue to stay quiet, it would be taken as that.

Instead, she made a decision.

And I'm sure there's got to be meetings with her team and whatever.

Like, all eyes on on you.

Here's how we're going to approach it.

Here are some good words to say.

I'm sure they don't just let her come up there and wing it.

But, but she gave an endorsement of fee and unified front for the players.

Anything you want to add on what's going on with the CBA?

Actually, I do.

I got, you know, I kind of hear what's going on in the meetings.

I'm not going to disclose the information, but I will say that from what I've heard and the discussions and negotiations, it's disheartening.

I'm just going to put it at that.

And just know that there could be possibly a lockout.

Yeah, I think a lockout is likely to happen.

You know, we're not, I don't think they're going to suddenly have an agreement by the end of October.

Yeah.

But more what I'm concerned about is just, you know, what this means for things like draft and training camp.

And isn't there supposed to be like an expansion draft and all these new teams coming in?

And,

you know, I want the season to start on time.

And obviously, you know, I think there's so much momentum and it does feel like at this moment we're not running.

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Yeah.

So

I hope that

we shall see.

Let's get to what is exciting and happening and what the momentum that is happening is the WNBA finals.

Touch of that.

Absolutely.

Oh, the finals.

The Phoenix Mercury, the Las Vegas Aces, they face off in the WNBA Finals.

Very interesting.

That's a 45-minute flight.

You just pop right back

and forth.

Go to all the games, do everything.

But the Phoenix Mercury in particular, they are playing with a chip on their shoulder as they have all season.

And, you know, this is actually from their own Twitter account.

They've been posting receipts.

Anyone who picked against them, which

seemingly was almost everyone in their route to taking down the Liberty, taking down the number one seed links.

But

while while others doubted, I've been, Ross Gono would have been saying,

do not sleep on the Mercury.

And guess what?

I got receipts.

You got receipts?

Receipts.

Y'all better not sleep on the Phoenix Mercury.

Do not sleep on the Phoenix Mercury.

Do not sleep on the Phoenix Mercury.

But let me tell you right now, if all of them get healthy, And then all those international players in that deep bench, then you got a big four of Alyssa Thomas, Dewana Bonner, Kalia Copper, and Satu Sableye.

That's a very dangerous team.

That team is a crazy team to see in the playoffs, and it'd be hard to bet against them.

Wow.

All I can say is, wow.

I'm watching them play all season.

It's not even like, am I some smart person or something?

It's literally, I watched them.

I covered the Liberty.

I watched them play the Liberty all season.

And I've been looking at them and going,

but you saw it.

If you're watching, it's not surprising.

Like they have an identity.

This is a talented team.

They're tough.

They're physical.

They play defense.

They have players on this team.

It's not some Cinderella group of, you know, never been here before.

These are experienced players.

Let's pull this up from Christina Williams.

Okay, so look, Dewana Bonner, two-time champion, Sammy Wickham, two-time champion.

Khalia Copper, one-time champion.

She's a finals MVP.

You got players who have been to the finals.

Don't forget Alyssa Thomas has been there a bunch of times.

You got Olympians on this team.

Like,

there's a lot of reasons why this team is prepared for this moment.

And then also, again, they love this chip thing, you know?

Love that.

Yeah.

They were slighted on the all-rookie team.

Monika Koa Makani.

She absolutely had a case for all rookie team.

I think all of those players that did make it are deserving.

But when you look at her minutes, points, and assists, it's notable, especially at the point guard position and her impact on a high-achieving team, a rookie point guard.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

Coaches got slighted.

You could argue, or executive staff, Nick Uren had an executive of the year

case.

You know, they got a lot of critique hiring Nate Tibbets.

He came from the NBA side, and people were really upset.

You know, people want to see women in these roles, but he came from the NBA side.

And look, he's winning.

He's getting results in year two.

And Nick Uren changed up the whole culture.

New era, got rid of players, brought.

all these different pieces in and it's working.

So, you know, I think they both could have, you know, could deserve more flowers for what they've been able to do to this point.

Think about Alyssa Thomas, another season, no MVP,

but she's coming for that chip.

You look at,

you look at Satu Sableye, new chapter in Phoenix.

She heard y'all talking about her in Dallas.

She told me that.

And she took it personally.

And Dawana Bonner

had a debacle in Indiana with the fever.

And it looks like she's getting the last laugh.

She's the one going to the finals again.

Hello.

So I don't know.

Can the Mercury just silence all the doubters here and pull this out?

One more seeding upset over the Las Vegas Aces?

I think so, Roz.

You dropped the mic on it and gave all the facts.

So can y'all just stop treating them like a Cinderella team already?

It's funny because the Aces feel like they've been slept on all season.

This is a chip-off.

This is a who has a bigger chip in their shoulder.

Both of them are looking at the other one like, I'm an underdog.

Nobody believed in us.

I like that.

It's a chip-off.

It's a chip-off.

We're out of time.

Guys, we'll be back to discuss probably the first first game or two of the WNBA Finals.

Tune in.

It starts on Friday night.

Thank you for watching.

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I'm Ross Goldenwoode, great teammate.

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