Hour 1: The Fish, The Face Cards, and The Quarterback (feat. Kash)

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Speaker 4 All right, go ahead and pot it up, Chris. Let's listen to what a lot of suits, a lot of suits in front of microphones next to Cash Patel, who's in an FBI jacket.

Speaker 16 The person speaking right now is U.S. Attorney.

Speaker 17 Well, he's moved off for the star of the show, Cash Patel.

Speaker 18 Here we go. Good morning.

Speaker 20 Today, we are here in New York to announce a historic arrest across a widesweeping criminal enterprise that envelops both the NBA and La Casa Nostra.

Speaker 20 The men and women up here standing with me represent a small portion of the leadership team that brought profound justice in an era that needed it more than any.

Speaker 20 I'll just highlight some of the details in the case and the FBI work, and then you'll hear from the others.

Speaker 20 But as you now know, individuals such as Chauncey Billips, Damon Jones, and Terry Rozier were taken into custody today, former current NBA players and coaches.

Speaker 20 What you don't know is that this is an illegal gambling operation and sports rigging operation that spanned the course of years.

Speaker 20 The FBI led a coordinated takedown across 11 states to arrest over 30 individuals today responsible for this case, which is very much ongoing.

Speaker 20 Not only did we crack into the fraud that these perpetrators

Speaker 20 committed on the grand stage of the NBA, but we also entered and executed a system of justice against La Casa Nostra to include the Bonano, Gambino, Genovese, and Lucesi crime families.

Speaker 20 And you'll hear more about those details today.

Speaker 20 The charges and the arrests that were taken down across this country range from wire fraud, money laundering, extortion, robbery, illegal gambling.

Speaker 20 This FBI will leave no room for any perpetrator of crime across this country. You hear a lot about our work of defending the homeland and crushing violent crime.

Speaker 20 Well, this work is also representative of a colossal portion of the FBI's mandate to keep America safe and to keep our entertainment industry fair and secure.

Speaker 20 The men and women that are standing up here today worked tireless hours, days, months, and years. And the fraud is mind-boggling.
It's not hundreds of dollars. It's not thousands of dollars.

Speaker 20 It's not tens of thousands of dollars. It's not even millions of dollars.
We're talking about tens of millions of dollars in fraud and theft and robbery across a multi-year investigation.

Speaker 20 And we could not have done it without our interagency partners that are before us today. The NYPD, HSI, and teams of law enforcement officials from around the country made this day possible.

Speaker 20 It takes a team to bring this kind of justice, sweeping justice, into the halls of the United States courtrooms where our brave United States attorney has led this prosecution.

Speaker 20 It takes courageous prosecutors to stand before you and say we will not allow this kind of illicit activity to happen, not only at the national sporting level, but also where it hides in La Casa Nostra.

Speaker 20 And when these two collided together, they perpetrated a fraud that is historic in terms of not just money, but the scheme and the deceit that they utilize to steal and swindle people from money, to include crypto fraud.

Speaker 20 This is an operation that showcases to you that under President Trump's administration, there is no room for any type of criminal behavior, be it on the world's largest stage or in the back rooms of tiny parlors where guard games are being played.

Speaker 4 They ain't got no more names.

Speaker 20 We are proud to stand here today with the men and women

Speaker 20 and this legal team.

Speaker 18 Still no action.

Speaker 20 To the United States Attorney, I just want to thank you personally for taking the time to display the work that the media is about to hear about today in detail.

Speaker 20 As I said, it does take courageous prosecutors, but it takes a courageous United States Attorney to bring this case because we are going to take heat for it.

Speaker 20 But we don't shy away in this administration. We don't say no.
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We bring you accountability.

Speaker 20 And yes, they will have their day in court and you will hear the evidence through the court system exclusively. We will not deny anyone of due process.
And that's the brilliance of this system.

Speaker 20 That's the brilliance of this administration. Everyone will be held to account.
So, with that, I turn it over to United States Attorney Nocell. Thank you.

Speaker 23 Thank you, Director Patel.

Speaker 23 To be clear, we're announcing today indictments in two major cases, both involving fraud. One involves sports betting, and the other involves illegal gambling, very specifically rigged poker games.

Speaker 23 The first indictment involves six defendants who are alleged to have participated in one of the most brazen sports corruption schemes since online sports betting became widely legalized in the United States.

Speaker 23 This scheme is an insider sports betting conspiracy that exploited confidential information about National Basketball Association athletes and teams.

Speaker 23 The second indictment involves 31 defendants alleged to have participated in a nationwide scheme to rig illegal poker games.

Speaker 23 These defendants, which include former professional athletes, used high-tech cheating technology to steal millions of dollars from victims in underground poker games that were secretly fixed.

Speaker 23 The games in the New York area were backed by the Bonano, Gambino, and Genovese crime families of La Casa Nostra.

Speaker 23 While the cases are separate, there are three overlapping defendants charged in both cases. Damon Jones, Eric Ernest, and Shane Hennen.

Speaker 23 The indictments in these cases contain only allegations, and the defendants are presumed innocent until they are proven guilty in a court of law.

Speaker 23 But my message to the defendants who've been rounded up today is this:

Speaker 23 your winning streak has ended. Your luck has run out.

Speaker 4 Violating the law

Speaker 23 is a losing proposition, and you can bet on that.

Speaker 18 Yeah!

Speaker 18 Yeah, nailed the fist round!

Speaker 23 I would like to talk about United States practicing.

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Speaker 23 Last night he was practicing the basketball gambling case.

Speaker 23 The defendants in this case are Eric Ernest.

Speaker 13 All right, turn it down.

Speaker 17 There will be no traveling.

Speaker 23 Shane Hennen, De Niro Laster,

Speaker 23 Damon Jones, a former NBA player and coach, and Terry Rosier, a current NBA player.

Speaker 23 Other co-conspirators were previously charged for their roles in the scheme, including former NBA player Jante Porter.

Speaker 13 All right, go ahead and turn this down.

Speaker 16 That's actually pretty newsy, that John Tay Porter's role

Speaker 17 being associated with those.

Speaker 4 My favorite part so far was him, Cash Patel, coming out and saying, We're not talking about hundreds of dollars like those crappy Chris Cody poker games.

Speaker 4 We are talking about tens of millions of dollars.

Speaker 4 Those are the bricks

Speaker 23 out early for purported injuries or illnesses.

Speaker 23 They relied on corrupt individuals including Jones and Rosier.

Speaker 23 They also misused information obtained through long-standing friendships that they had with NBA players and coaches.

Speaker 23 And in at least one instance, they got their information by threatening a current player, Porter, because of his pre-existing gambling debts.

Speaker 23 Defendants used this non-public information to place hundreds of thousands of dollars in fraudulent bets, mostly in the form of prop bets, on individual player performance.

Speaker 23 The bets were placed through online sports books and also in person at casinos.

Speaker 23 The defendants relied on a network of straw bettors to place the maximum amount of bets to increase their potential profits.

Speaker 23 Most of these bets succeeded, and the intended losses were in the millions of dollars. The defendants then laundered their illegal winnings in various ways.

Speaker 23 Peer-to-peer platforms, bank wires, and simple cash exchanges.

Speaker 4 All right, that's enough. Those are the big crime families.

Speaker 16 They got all the big boys, Dano.

Speaker 4 They got some big crime families involved. And

Speaker 4 Chauncey Billops is, and I guess Damon Jones are the only new information, right? We knew that some of this was already...

Speaker 4 They didn't say anything about Malik Beasley, but we knew that some of this was already around Jante Porter, and we knew some of this was already around Terry Rosie.

Speaker 2 You know what Arenas too, they didn't mention it.

Speaker 27 Yeah, we knew that some of this stuff was surrounding Jante Porter, but we didn't know that there was a direct tether to Jante Porter, which that was pretty revelatory there.

Speaker 4 I'd like some more information about Chauncey Bills, if indeed we've just ended his coaching career and forever smeared his name. I would like some more information.

Speaker 16 They are giving more

Speaker 16 aspect of this

Speaker 23 scheme to use wireless cheating technology to run rigged poker games games across the United States, including in the Hamptons, Las Vegas, Miami, and Manhattan.

Speaker 23 The scheme targeted victims known as, quote, fish,

Speaker 23 who were often warred to participate in these rigged games by the chance to play alongside former professional athletes who were known as, quote, face cards.

Speaker 23 The so-called face cards included the defendant Chauncey Billips, who at the time of the scheme was a former NBA player and is currently the head coach of the Portland Trailblazers, and also Damon Jones, a former NBA player and coach.

Speaker 23 What the victims, the fish,

Speaker 23 didn't know is that everybody else at the poker game, from the dealer to the players, including the face cards, were in on the scam.

Speaker 23 Once the game was underway, the defendants fleeced the victims out of tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars per game.

Speaker 23 The defendants used a variety of very sophisticated cheating technologies, some of which were provided by other defendants in exchange for a share of the profits from the scheme. For example,

Speaker 23 they used off-the-shelf shuffling machines that had been secretly altered in order to read the cards in the deck, predict which player at the table had the best poker hand, and relay that information to an off-site operator.

Speaker 23 The off-site operator

Speaker 23 sent the information via cell phone back to a co-conspirator at the table, and that person at the table was known as the quarterback.

Speaker 23 The quarterback then signaled secretly the information he had received

Speaker 23 to others at the table, and together they used that information in order to win their games.

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Speaker 4 All right, turn this down for a second. I've got a couple of different questions here.
Does it matter to you guys at all if Billips was doing this while he was a player, but not as a coach?

Speaker 26 No.

Speaker 27 No distinction there whatsoever.

Speaker 2 I mean, my biggest takeaway from it is Billips goes off as a total dirtbag. Like he's in on a poker scheme to rip off civilians.

Speaker 4 Oh, no, you're stealing money from the fish.

Speaker 18 Ripping off fish.

Speaker 26 Total dirtbag.

Speaker 4 You're stealing money from the fish,

Speaker 4 for sure. That's just theft.

Speaker 4 Like, you're scamming in order to steal the money of others. But the reason I'm making the distinction is

Speaker 4 the position that Chauncey Billips is presently in, if he's doing that as a coach, to me, it does feel different than if if he was doing it as a player.

Speaker 18 Why?

Speaker 4 Because of how long ago he was doing it, because he's not in the position of authority when he is taking advantage of his leadership position. It's still wrong.
I'm not saying it's not wrong.

Speaker 4 I'm just saying that when Chauncey Billips' name was associated with this, the reason to me it's a bigger story than Damon Jones is because he's the head coach of something. Like,

Speaker 4 it's not, he's not an assistant coach and he's not a former player.

Speaker 4 He's actively in the league, and and this sounds like they are coming after him for actual crimes, but crimes from years ago, not crimes committed while as a coach.

Speaker 4 To me, there is a distinction there.

Speaker 18 I'm not kidding.

Speaker 16 I didn't grab that from that.

Speaker 21 It seems like he's the draw, right? In the poker game, oh, we got Chauncey Billips in this game, and then whoever's the fish is like, oh, I'm going to go over there.

Speaker 18 I want to play with Chauncey Bills.

Speaker 27 I don't know how you had that takeaway when they said that Jounte Porter is involved in this, and that's a recent thing.

Speaker 18 Okay, so

Speaker 21 Mike, that was on the sports gambling side of it, not the poker game.

Speaker 8 Yeah, but there was, yeah, but there was a tether to it.

Speaker 21 I think they made the distinction that Damon Jones is the tether to it.

Speaker 27 Yeah, but I don't think we're talking about something that happened during Chauncey Billips' playing days. I don't,

Speaker 18 like,

Speaker 18 I didn't get it.

Speaker 4 Just because he said it's a criminal enterprise that goes back years.

Speaker 18 Like, I don't know where all of this. When the mafia goes back years.

Speaker 4 Where all of this started. I don't know how.

Speaker 18 La Casa Notra. Yeah, they were.
Man, why does he keep calling it La Casa? It's not a house.

Speaker 4 Well, he was nervous. You could hear the nerves.

Speaker 2 You know that's what it means, right? La Casa? It means house, Dan.

Speaker 18 That's right about that.

Speaker 4 Do you know what the Nostra means?

Speaker 2 La Cosa Nostra means this thing of ours.

Speaker 4 You're a real godfather expert.

Speaker 2 Don't question my gangster knowledge.

Speaker 4 So, do you guys want to know anything else from?

Speaker 12 He seems to be wrapping up.

Speaker 9 He's like thanking the people who worked on the investigation.

Speaker 4 So, I win the bet, no bigger names, right? I get all your money, I get

Speaker 4 everything here. The biggest we're doing here is Terry Rosier.

Speaker 4 He nailed though, he really nailed the dismount, and you can bet on that. Like, that was that was a

Speaker 12 winning streak has ended.

Speaker 6 Your luck has run out, and you can bet on that.

Speaker 25 But what we did not hear, because we put the audio down, he called the Toronto Raptors the Toronto Rangers.

Speaker 18 No!

Speaker 5 I was like, what team is he talking about?

Speaker 27 So that's obviously Jante Porter.

Speaker 2 My favorite part, though, is not hundreds, not thousands, not millions, but billions, gazillion, trillions of dollars.

Speaker 4 I really did think he was going to go to billions and trillions, but he did tens of millions.

Speaker 18 Wait a a minute tens of millions are millions yeah you should know that your name is cash

Speaker 6 not one not two not three

Speaker 4 so not qualified for that position shouldn't be speaking in front of microphones you know when he started his career here public defender miami i thought you were

Speaker 18 hey hey man

Speaker 4 Can we put the story to the side now and

Speaker 4 realize that the biggest news happened before they came and gave us the details that was going to be the biggest news that we had the biggest news and the biggest news is just names.

Speaker 4 It's just names and they were doing something, but we don't have

Speaker 16 some details.

Speaker 2 I thought the poker scheme is interesting.

Speaker 27 Yeah, the poker stuff, that was pretty detailed. And they gave a little insight as to how they actually use their insight, the people that are alleged of doing these crimes.

Speaker 18 I mean, Dan, did you hear what?

Speaker 26 Gamblers.

Speaker 1 Did you hear what they call like the guy who relays the information?

Speaker 18 Quarterback.

Speaker 4 Quarterback, yeah because they get the play in the heads why wouldn't they call him the point guard i i understand uh that this is obviously a big story and i'm not going to dispute that it's a big story but it's being made bigger by the big show that they're making of chauncey billips was cheating at cards that's what the story is on chauncey billips it's not chauncey billops was affecting the integrity of the game chauncey billips is a thief who was cheating at cards but not chauncey billips is over here doing what Terry Rozier and what John Tay Porter were doing.

Speaker 4 It's an important distinction.

Speaker 2 Yeah, CNN straight up put on the screen, Terry Rozier allegedly rigged NBA games.

Speaker 4 ESPN has not covered this at all. They're talking about Aaron Rodgers.
There's no coverage anywhere on ESPN of what is presently happening.

Speaker 4 ESPN is slightly less nimble than it used to be about going to live programming. programming off of news events.

Speaker 4 So I don't know what's happening here, and I can't make an accusation on what's happening here. But it is suspicious that the FBI just had a 10 a.m.

Speaker 4 press conference, and ESPN was talking about Aaron Rodgers during it.

Speaker 4 They cannot or have not broken into coverage of what this

Speaker 4 scandal is.

Speaker 21 Yeah, what are they saying about Aaron Rodgers?

Speaker 18 The Steelers are playing well, right?

Speaker 17 Obviously, they had a hiccup last week, but they're back on track.

Speaker 21 Aaron Rodgers could be dark horse for maybe an MVP if they keep winning.

Speaker 4 The Steelers, what happened to them last week against the Bengals was legitimately confusing to me to watch offense like that happen against the Steelers, but I don't.

Speaker 2 Steelers' defense sucks this year.

Speaker 4 They haven't been very good. It's weird.
There is one thing that I said with certainty before the season started, which is that the Jets and Steelers' defenses are good.

Speaker 13 It's not looking great.

Speaker 18 You can't win them all right now.

Speaker 13 Yeah, well, I don't win many of them.

Speaker 4 So, Chauncey Billops, if you're just joining us, cheated at cards and stole the money of Fish as the quarterback who should have been named the point guard. That just makes sense.

Speaker 4 Why wouldn't you just make it the point guard?

Speaker 9 I mean, it would be so simple.

Speaker 6 It could call him the point guard.

Speaker 13 It's Chauncey Bills.

Speaker 4 It would have been so simple. It's Chauncey Billows, right? The way they were doing that, though,

Speaker 4 that sucks to sort of realize, like,

Speaker 4 you have to understand that there is some fish out there turning on his television. He's like, wait a minute, Chauncey was using a rigged shuffling deck?

Speaker 4 That's why I kept losing. There's somebody who woke up this morning, tuned into this press conference, and it's like,

Speaker 4 I was so happy to be with Damon Jones and Chauncey Phillips, and they had a rigged deck.

Speaker 18 Three full houses in a row.

Speaker 4 And the dealer, Emily, was in on it.

Speaker 4 She was in on it as well. She was so nice.
How were they always folding their cards when I had Ace King? How

Speaker 4 they are.

Speaker 18 How'd they know?

Speaker 4 I thought they were such good poker players, but they happened to know.

Speaker 18 They were using, they were using a Jose Altube.

Speaker 18 Is that a bowl? Trash can banging on a trash can.

Speaker 4 No, wait a minute.

Speaker 4 It's not buzzing.

Speaker 4 Nobody was being sent a text.

Speaker 21 Well, the guy's checking his phone like, yeah, I'm in a folder. You go.

Speaker 26 All of a sudden, the phone

Speaker 10 on the table just vibrates.

Speaker 4 Why did the vibration catch on to every time the phone was vibrating? Fish.

Speaker 4 Did that attorney practice how he was going to say, known as the fish?

Speaker 4 he learned that term he learned that he hasn't watched rounders he doesn't know anything about poker if if if you don't know who the sucker is at the table then the sucker is you this guy got an indoctrination to what uh what gambling is with this story and was thrilled to do that press conference first take actually just took the press conference live they have it now It's just a bunch of people in suits applauding.

Speaker 4 They've already already given out the news.

Speaker 8 Hey, just some guy, 30 years he's been here.

Speaker 12 They're just now giving like platitudes to people.

Speaker 17 To those wrongdoers, you have gone up against a full house.

Speaker 18 And you'll

Speaker 30 just have twos.

Speaker 2 And we've got the nuts.

Speaker 17 You have busted out.

Speaker 17 I suggest you fold now.

Speaker 4 It felt like a movie poster. Can you guys get for me just him saying your luck has run out? He was practicing that with his wife.

Speaker 17 We have an ace up our sleeve.

Speaker 21 Babe, what do you think of this one?

Speaker 18 What if I use a betting pun at the end?

Speaker 6 Even I didn't like that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it wasn't

Speaker 4 great, but they were really enjoying

Speaker 4 giving a lot of big adjectives to the great work that they are doing. And again, Chauncey Billops has been caught cheating at

Speaker 18 cards.

Speaker 18 Get him!

Speaker 18 Let's get him!

Speaker 16 It is a sensational name,

Speaker 3 and it takes my attention away from other stuff.

Speaker 21 What even's going on out there?

Speaker 18 Exactly right.

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Speaker 6 Yeah, it wasn't just the Toronto Rangers that were mentioned.

Speaker 6 It was the Toronto Rangers, along with the Lakers, the Hornets, and the Blazers, which is obviously interesting in regard to anything that could be going on with Chauncey Bills.

Speaker 6 The Lakers, of course, I believe, and I'll go back and check now, Damon Jones might have been an assistant on their staff when LeBron first got there because obviously their connection from having played together in Cleveland, and I can go search for that.

Speaker 6 And then the Hornets, that's where this was going on with Terry Rozier. Obviously, the Miami Heat, not named

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Speaker 18 Yes.

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Speaker 4 Let's go to the Dentech bucket. Let's do some of our football picks this week.
My wife has been very concerned about how to make me look like Bad Bunny.

Speaker 18 Which one are you going to go with, Dano? Yeah. Because there's a lot of looks for Bad Bunny.

Speaker 21 I know you know that, Zar.

Speaker 4 Roger Goodell yesterday said that blowback, he is undeterred. He is still going with Bad Bunny as the Super Bowl half to be.

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Speaker 22 Jeremy, you are first.

Speaker 3 I got the Carolina Panthers.

Speaker 4 They are a seven and a half point dog at home against Buffalo. Keep it full.

Speaker 18 Keep it. Redrock.

Speaker 3 Revenge game against the Bills, but I like that.

Speaker 18 I like the

Speaker 18 kids.

Speaker 31 The cover, not to win.

Speaker 3 I got the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 18 Who are on a bye?

Speaker 4 Congratulations. No one's happy for you.

Speaker 18 Woo!

Speaker 19 Point on me.

Speaker 4 Mike Ryan is going now.

Speaker 24 I got the chicago bears

Speaker 22 a live dog against the ravens no lamar this week

Speaker 18 i like that

Speaker 4 baltimore minus

Speaker 4 plus six and a half they've removed the ping-pong tables from the ravens locker room that was oh but is is lamar still there i think he's coming back i don't think so think about what you guys just did there he's coming back because chicago is a six and a half point dog even though they're four and two against one and five baltimore

Speaker 18 a one in five team that's a six and a half point favorite i like that the san francisco 49ers.

Speaker 36 They're at CJ Stroud and the Houston Texans.

Speaker 4 The Texans are a one and a half point favorite. You hate the Texans.
You're happy to be on the other side of the Texans.

Speaker 18 Yeah, I think this is an upgrade. McCorkle.

Speaker 21 Let's see. I got the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Speaker 18 They are

Speaker 4 a four and a half point favorite at New Orleans.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I'm going to keep them.

Speaker 25 This is my last week of the Gordon Helmet.

Speaker 1 Geez, I thought you were leaving too.

Speaker 18 Oh, wow.

Speaker 18 Wow, holy shit.

Speaker 4 Sounds like you're making your announcement.

Speaker 26 That's how you want to go where?

Speaker 18 Listen to the fake out, Roy. Good fake out.
I wonder how you would do it. Where the hell am I going?

Speaker 16 This is my last week.

Speaker 18 Oh, shit, Roy. Hockey news.

Speaker 18 Going to the hockey news.

Speaker 12 I got the bears now.

Speaker 10 I'm putting that back.

Speaker 31 Hey, where's your mouthpiece?

Speaker 18 I'm fire in, man.

Speaker 4 Your dentech mouthpiece.

Speaker 24 I got the steelers.

Speaker 18 Karina hot porn underdog at home. Against Green Bay.
I'll keep her.

Speaker 28 That game is going to be really hard to look at.

Speaker 34 Both teams wearing gold, garrish uniforms from the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 18 Hey, I like that, man.

Speaker 4 Was that your Nixon? Who was that? What was that in person?

Speaker 18 Oh, brooded to you, man. Garish uniforms.

Speaker 33 I got the Saints.

Speaker 18 Let's go back.

Speaker 4 Me and you. Me and you.

Speaker 31 You want to switch with me? No, I'm saying I got the bucks.

Speaker 22 There's no switching.

Speaker 18 No, no, no. No, no, no.

Speaker 18 No, no, no. I got the Bucks.

Speaker 21 He's got the Saints.

Speaker 18 We have a little friendly wager menu.

Speaker 13 Nope, I'm putting that back. Wow.
Scared, Crack.

Speaker 33 I got the Washington Commanders.

Speaker 27 You got Marcus Mariota, pal, against the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 36 You should have gone with me, buddy.

Speaker 18 Woof. Woof.
Woof. It would have made it worth your while.

Speaker 4 I got the Dallas Cowboys. Do I want the Dallas Cowboys? They are on the road at Denver.

Speaker 19 I do not want the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 16 Plus three nights.

Speaker 4 How did I get them again?

Speaker 18 Because you're terrible. I thought he didn't rummage.
I'm not that with the Browns last rummage.

Speaker 2 This is the second time this season.

Speaker 18 Just as long as you rummage.

Speaker 13 Truly awful rummage.

Speaker 18 You put an orange.

Speaker 23 You want to switch?

Speaker 4 I don't think that that's the way that that's supposed to go.

Speaker 18 A shot rummage.

Speaker 8 It's a possibility.

Speaker 36 That's why we say put it back in.

Speaker 3 It's always possible.

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Speaker 37 Tony hasn't lost this year.

Speaker 18 He meant to

Speaker 18 lost this year.

Speaker 4 He thought it was very important to interrupt his father.

Speaker 13 I think he thought his mic was off.

Speaker 18 It was so

Speaker 21 he turned this mic back on.

Speaker 27 He was so interested in that and it was

Speaker 4 in any way interesting.

Speaker 12 Dan was telling about his grinding, and all of a sudden, I haven't lost this week.

Speaker 18 I'm really happy for you. Just a

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Speaker 4 Tony, yes.

Speaker 4 The thing that I wanted to play for the audience, though, Joe Flacco, and I don't know, I feel like I've got a group of people here who are self-conscious about eating alone.

Speaker 4 Put it on the poll at Lebetard Show. Are you self-conscious about eating in a restaurant alone?

Speaker 4 I never have been, but just what happened to me the other day because I was eating in a restaurant alone and then someone recognized me and I realized that without the buffer of having somebody with me, people can take inappropriate amounts of your time because you're alone.

Speaker 4 And I don't really have an excuse if my food is in front of me and I'm eating alone and there's nobody else.

Speaker 4 else around I have no buffers from somebody just sitting down comfortably if they're willing to do the thing of the day, which is if you have no shame, you'll get whatever you want.

Speaker 4 And so the person just sat down across from me because I was eating alone. Yes.

Speaker 2 Did it say like, hey, can I sit here?

Speaker 18 No.

Speaker 2 And when they sat down, what did you say?

Speaker 4 I mean, I'm never going to be... I'm never going to be anything other than polite to anybody who's a fan of the nonsense that we do because it's our customers.
So I sat there and I ate with him.

Speaker 2 How long did they stay?

Speaker 4 About 20 minutes. Whoa.

Speaker 21 What did you guys talk about?

Speaker 4 The show.

Speaker 18 Yeah, the show.

Speaker 4 And you know what? One of the things, and this one happens to me all the time. This conversation is one that I have all the time with strangers.
And it happens just like this.

Speaker 4 Cody really doesn't understand the show, huh? And I'm like, no, he still doesn't understand it after 20 years.

Speaker 12 I'm getting it.

Speaker 4 Like,

Speaker 4 that's a real thing with Greg Cody.

Speaker 18 What'd they think of me?

Speaker 4 That, yeah, you didn't come up. So, Joe Flacco was eating alone,

Speaker 4 and he's got a take on eating alone that is the wisdom accrued by the aged, the wisdom accrued by kids who buy the Jameer Gibs jersey instead of rooting for you, their father, who's in a game.

Speaker 4 He's got wisdom accrued of, I like eating alone. You know why? Because my family's not there.

Speaker 29 I think there's always a challenge of sitting in a room by yourself and being lonely. So for me, it's trying to find ways to maybe stay over here a little bit longer and then,

Speaker 29 you know, just kind of take myself out of that mindset, call home,

Speaker 29 go sit at a restaurant by myself and realize that, man, that's pretty enjoyable to do.

Speaker 29 You know, after there's not too many situations.

Speaker 29 I tell you, I tell people all the time, I mean, I used to see guys sitting at a bar by themselves or, you know, just sitting by themselves eating and grabbing a little meal.

Speaker 29 And I'm like, man, I feel so bad for that guy. You almost want to go join him.
And now I realize like that dude was in heaven.

Speaker 21 It's so true.

Speaker 10 I love eating by myself.

Speaker 4 You just love eating.

Speaker 9 I do love eating.

Speaker 2 I've never seen a guy eating by themselves and just wanted to join them.

Speaker 12 You never thought it's sad, though?

Speaker 10 I'm with you on not wanting to join them, but it does convey, like, oh, they're alone.

Speaker 27 I was at an Italian restaurant in Chicago a few months back, and there was a dude that dressed up.

Speaker 27 He was wearing a collared shirt, took off a blazer, sat down, treated himself to a nice Sunday, red sauce Sunday.

Speaker 16 Took himself on a date. Date yourself.

Speaker 19 And I was like, man, this guy is a king.

Speaker 4 This is a place I believe where people listening will separate on

Speaker 4 what they believe about this. Because I do remember

Speaker 4 being in a restaurant with Moises Alou, and Craig Counsel had just been traded over to the Marlins.

Speaker 4 And Moises Alou was looking at Craig Counsel, eating in the restaurant by himself, and he just said under his breath, that poor guy. Everyone listening to this has an opinion on this.

Speaker 4 There is an opinion on how you feel about the person eating alone at the restaurant.

Speaker 4 And I do believe it matters whether you have kids or not, because as we've learned around here, many of you go to the bathroom to hide from your kids. Like many of you around here, this is a trick

Speaker 4 in these circles. And I'm not a very good one.
I'm going to read for 45 minutes and my family might think I have stomach problems, but I just have, I don't want to be around my family problems.

Speaker 12 Is there a difference in sadness in eating alone at like a booth by myself and at the bar?

Speaker 17 Because bars. You can't sit in the booth by yourself.

Speaker 12 Bar, 100%, never sad.

Speaker 35 Bar's awesome.

Speaker 9 So if I'm at a booth alone, that's sad. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Like if you, if, if you're not sitting at the bar, you got to sit at a table that's like a table for two, but you're by yourself, that's okay. You can't sit at the booth by yourself.

Speaker 13 I like a booth.

Speaker 35 What if like there's, it's an empty restaurant, so I had my choice and I'm like, I'll take a booth.

Speaker 19 Yeah, I don't want to, sticky elbows.

Speaker 27 I don't want to at the bar.

Speaker 21 Really? You prefer the booth?

Speaker 18 Are you not familiar with my brand?

Speaker 27 Don't talk to me.

Speaker 4 You mentioned that was just a character earlier in the show. You got penalized for that.

Speaker 18 Blur the lines.

Speaker 17 Work, shoot. You never know.

Speaker 4 This is from Chris

Speaker 4 Vanini on Twitter.

Speaker 4 Within a week, we've had a major jewel heist, a mafia-involved poker ring, and sports gambling corruption. We're all living in the 1920s.
I fully expect prohibition to fall upon us here.

Speaker 29 That feels more like the late 30s, early 40s.

Speaker 4 Can you get me the sound, please? And forgive me for not knowing who this suit was who got in front of us and gave this press conference that he practiced in a mirror last night.

Speaker 4 But I just want you to imagine this sort of on a Schwarzenegger movie poster as he comes out as the local DA to tell some athletes that all of a sudden their gambling in sports terms is going to end up with them holding a losing hand.

Speaker 23 Your winning streak has ended. Your luck has run out.

Speaker 4 There was another sentence though to that dismount. I want the third sentence because he absolutely hit three notes there.

Speaker 16 And you can bet on that.

Speaker 18 He nailed it.

Speaker 16 And you can bet on that.

Speaker 2 When he practiced it the night before, he definitely thought this would be like a round of applause, right?

Speaker 4 Did he practice it wearing the dress shirt, the tie, but no pants? Like, did he practice?

Speaker 17 Classic look with the boxers only.

Speaker 19 Then again in the morning doing the necktie.

Speaker 16 And you can bet on that.

Speaker 4 Does he have, he's got beige dress socks on and the dress shoes. Only thing missing is the pants, correct?

Speaker 18 Stirrups to hold up the socks.

Speaker 23 Your winning streak has ended.

Speaker 4 Thank you. That's about the only stuff from that press conference that I want to hang on to.

Speaker 4 I also, though, want to go back to what it is that's happening at this point in the career of Joe Flacco, where I've always thought that he has the personality of a dry cleaning bag, like just sort of starched.

Speaker 4 But now I love him because he's a human robot.

Speaker 27 It says a lot about aging.

Speaker 19 No,

Speaker 17 he has found his personality.

Speaker 27 Every time he's had like a great clip a week in front of the press when he's made available, he speaks

Speaker 7 opposite of Tua.

Speaker 27 He's not necessarily worried about what he's going to say because he knows he's not going to say anything that like Tua that'll hurt his team.

Speaker 19 He's just been a fountain of knowledge. And I'm like, I never in a million years would have thought, man, I want to see Joe Flacco in the media.
And now I'm like, put him in the Monday Night booth.

Speaker 4 Well, one of the things that I'm enjoying about Joe Flacco, and he seems to realize just how precious this is because I've talked to so many athletes who don't realize this until after they're done.

Speaker 4 He is absolutely carrying himself with the gratitude of, oh, I can't believe I get to throw to T. Higgins and Jamar Chase at the end, like I get to throw a couple more footballs to good receivers.

Speaker 4 And he's carrying himself as if he knows he's got the fountain of youth in his locker where he's just super grateful to be able to play when so often these guys leave the game and they're like, ah, I didn't, why didn't I enjoy it more?

Speaker 4 I didn't, I didn't know what I had in my hand.

Speaker 27 He's articulated that.

Speaker 17 I know T.

Speaker 27 Higgins and Jamar Chase help matters, but he's always been grateful to still be playing at a level where he feels he belongs in the league because he loves playing these games.

Speaker 27 He just, he feels blessed to be doing it and he articulates it in ways that you don't often hear.

Speaker 4 It's a funny thing, though, to hear him be grateful just because at that age, it must really hurt when the 300-pounder lands on you and

Speaker 4 you've had 200 of those hits.

Speaker 18 Not just that. It must hurt when you're a former Super Bowl champion and you're being churned out through the league.

Speaker 27 The Jets didn't want you. They wanted Tim Boyle over you.
You're doing a pit stop in Philadelphia. You're in Cleveland twice.

Speaker 27 You don't have to be doing that.

Speaker 17 A lot of this stuff, when guys reach this age, and yeah, they may be able to play at a level like Flacco.

Speaker 13 They don't want to swallow their pride.

Speaker 16 I'm a Super Bowl champion.

Speaker 28 What do I got to be third string on the depth chart?

Speaker 27 Joe Flacco is just blessed to be still in camps.

Speaker 4 It is a bit crazy, though, when you think about he's still got the hose.

Speaker 4 Like he's still that that game against pittsburgh i'm not kidding you when i tell you that was as confusing a game as i've seen this season it's not just because pittsburgh's not good at defense and i expected them to good be good at defense it's i didn't expect the cincinnati offense to look like it was led by joe burrow if it wasn't joe burrow leading the offense like i'm i did not expect it to look that easy when i'm watching every quarterback in the league throw for 150 yards does jake browning stink or does the cleveland offense stink jake browning kind of stinks, but you talk about Flacco.

Speaker 21 He got there in a week and was like, yeah, I got the offense. Throw it to these two guys.

Speaker 4 Well, but he targeted. What was the target rate

Speaker 4 on Jamar Chase? It was he threw to him. But it's not just 23, it's 23, and he's always open on the shallow route.
Like his open bikes,

Speaker 4 like everything was super easy, weirdly easy. Offense is no longer easy in that league.

Speaker 4 Who's making, look, man, for 18 weeks, I don't care what you say, the Chiefs' offense wasn't making it look easy. Like

Speaker 4 they made it look very easy before that they're making it look very easy the last couple of weeks but for 18 weeks patrick mahomes was not making it look easy

Speaker 4 18 weeks they made a super bowl it but it looked constipated on offense you're not going to dispute me on that right no in fact i was not disputing that i was just saying they need guys back but joe flacco looking all of a sudden like um better than the Detroit offense that you guys give me maybe Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold in a shootout give me all the offenses day offensive days you've seen this season that looked as easy as what Cincinnati made it look like against Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 Pittsburgh and Jets week number one.

Speaker 17 Like, that was it. Justin Fields looked incredible against Pittsburgh.

Speaker 16 Crap defense.

Speaker 15 Buffalo and the Ravens.

Speaker 18 I see those uniforms, though, and I'm like, that has to be a good style.

Speaker 27 I understand you see those uniforms.

Speaker 17 But trust me, Joe Flacco's got stinkers up his sleeve.

Speaker 27 He's going to look pretty bad.

Speaker 4 Oh, he'll throw three and four interception games. That's what's been the case the last couple of years, why you're not going anywhere if he's your number one starter, except he can get you to Burrow.

Speaker 4 He can do that. He can give you two or three games.
Like if you're going to get the three interceptions from Browning anyway, go top end and see if you can get them from Flacco.

Speaker 27 That's the one last job.

Speaker 16 That's like, do you still have it, Joe?

Speaker 27 Get me to Joe Burrow with a chance to make the playoffs. That is all you have to do.

Speaker 17 You don't have to run a table. You don't have to set passing records.
You just got to basically go 500 the rest of the way.

Speaker 4 Can you do that? You mentioned that Flacco Flacco is press conference you want to see. Zadzlow was saying that now that two of press conferencers are must-see, but for all the wrong reasons.

Speaker 37 He was asked why he didn't target Jalen Waddell more.

Speaker 38 I think with that, some of it has to do with being able to see guys,

Speaker 38 with their guys also up front and our guys. And I'm not the tallest guy in the back there either.

Speaker 38 So being able to see and then, you know, sometimes when that happens, you don't want to just throw it blindly.

Speaker 12 So I want to throw to them, but there's these, they're tall in front of me, and I don't see him.

Speaker 21 I don't want to throw it blindly, but then I threw three picks blindly.

Speaker 12 But I really want you to think that I know what I'm doing here. So I'm going to talk like

Speaker 12 I really think that they're just tall, so I just, I don't see them.

Speaker 6 Is that your tua?

Speaker 13 That's my two.

Speaker 18 I'll work on that.

Speaker 4 He needs an influence.

Speaker 12 It's more of the tone of like, I'm saying something really important.

Speaker 16 You have the cadence.

Speaker 11 You have the cadence sound because I'm really just trying to sound smart.

Speaker 4 It's the same thing a sixth grader would say if I threw him on an NFL football field and said, why didn't you throw to Waddle? I couldn't see him. Those guys are really big.

Speaker 27 Look, I know over the last few weeks, you guys have been worried about my brains and my approach to the game. I just want to remind you, I also have physical limitations.

Speaker 17 I can't do half, Josh.

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