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Speaker 18 Hello, everyone. Happy Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 That's what we're doing this year.

Speaker 19 Thanksgilling.

Speaker 20 Why is that?

Speaker 18 Not Thanksgiving, Billy.

Speaker 12 Let's restart.

Speaker 22 I'm going to keep all of it. No.

Speaker 2 It's not Christmas. That's true.

Speaker 18 Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.

Speaker 19 Thanksgilling.

Speaker 1 This is very exciting, guys. Normally on Thanksgiving, we have a few best of episodes where we just celebrate the year that was.
And this year, Jeremy, somebody left us.

Speaker 3 Who is that?

Speaker 16 Billy Gill.

Speaker 12 R.I.P.

Speaker 1 We love Billy, and we miss him. He's still here.
So we want to celebrate Billy this year by having some of his best moments of his last year with us.

Speaker 16 I f this one up. Let's do it one more time.
Okay.

Speaker 16 I didn't like my R.I.P.

Speaker 17 Okay.

Speaker 16 We're going to do it one last time. Okay.

Speaker 25 Oh!

Speaker 25 Merry Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 No, it's not Thanksgiving. It's Thanksgiving.

Speaker 9 Thanksgiving.

Speaker 16 Like Billy Gill?

Speaker 1 This year, we are celebrating our year over the Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 This is terrible. We need to do that.
That's okay. We can start that again.

Speaker 27 We need to lock in. Lock in.

Speaker 16 Merry Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's right, Jeremy. Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.
We want to do things a little bit differently this year. We have best subs coming this Thursday, right now.

Speaker 2 Today's today. Today's Thursday, we have one.

Speaker 18 Thanksgiving. We have one today.

Speaker 1 We have one tomorrow. And they're fun.
We're celebrating our friend, Billy Gill.

Speaker 7 We're calling it...

Speaker 1 Happy Thanksgiving.

Speaker 19 Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.

Speaker 1 We're going to highlight some of Billy's best moments of his final year with us. We're going to do his last show.
We're going to do another great show that we found.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what we're going to get today. Today, what you're going to get is the day where we were talking about aspiration and aspirationally.

Speaker 4 You like what I did there?

Speaker 16 We decided to modulate some voices because of our favorite voice modulated sound. And Billy really brought it that day.

Speaker 4 And we figured, why not highlight that incredible day, which was also a really good day for our comedy.

Speaker 16 Like, Papa putting out all that stuff about aspiration.

Speaker 32 Pretty cool one.

Speaker 4 One of the best shows of the year.

Speaker 1 Billy was highlighted in it. And then tomorrow, you're going to get Billy's Last Day, which he brought out all the stops.
Gary Moz Epic Sound of the Day. He brought Peepo back.

Speaker 1 So you want to check out tomorrow's show.

Speaker 16 It's something we're thankful for.

Speaker 1 We're very thankful for Billy, our time with Billy. We're thankful for you guys, the listeners, all year.
Thank you. It's been a great year.

Speaker 1 I know it's been, you know, some changes to the show, but it's been a great year for us. Our numbers have actually gone up.

Speaker 5 Yeah, we really are genuinely appreciative of the fact that you guys are listening at really a pretty amazing rate right now.

Speaker 16 And to all of the new people joining us, because we know there are several new listeners, thank you for being here.

Speaker 4 Thank you for being here for this Thanksgiving.

Speaker 18 And happy Thanksgiving.

Speaker 19 Happy Thanksgiving.

Speaker 32 Let's get to the episodes.

Speaker 18 Enough of me and Jeremy yammering.

Speaker 1 It's Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.

Speaker 34 Yeah.

Speaker 34 Ladies and gentlemen, Steve Balmer!

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Speaker 34 Yes.

Speaker 34 Football.

Speaker 23 Football. Football.

Speaker 24 Football.

Speaker 24 Football. Football.
Football.

Speaker 24 Football. Football.

Speaker 24 Football.

Speaker 22 Hey, hey, hello.

Speaker 7 It's me, Pablo, here to...

Speaker 5 Football.

Speaker 35 You love, love that slightly cliched chant that I, as an American, am contractually obligated to also say football.

Speaker 35 I'm interrupting this because I am going to join the show, I think, to talk about a new, now not-so-secret episode of my show in our new partnership with the Athletic. That's coming up soon.

Speaker 28 So, finding out,

Speaker 5 find out, foot, find, you know, right?

Speaker 37 Okay.

Speaker 10 I have a journalistic judgment question to ask the group.

Speaker 10 Should we start with Pablo Torre dropping at 5 a.m., a Pablo drop that I suspect will be the biggest story in sports once all the editors and writers wake up and start chasing what Pablo is reporting?

Speaker 10 Or should we talk about how Greg and Billy both think that the Dolphins have a must-win game this weekend?

Speaker 15 A must-win?

Speaker 10 A must-win. Billy and Greg.

Speaker 29 And Big Mac, just so that we're not making it seem like we're two kooks, I think that.

Speaker 10 Must win, they have said

Speaker 10 week one. It seems a truly asinine thing to say.
You want to explain it to me?

Speaker 21 I would love to, yeah. And I say it in the context of how it would seem to be so asinine because I hate it when people use the word must-win when it isn't literally a must-win.

Speaker 38 And it's two words.

Speaker 21 Yeah, the only time it applies really is a game seven in the finals or something like that. that but i will say this expectations are so low for the dolphins particularly relative to the Hurricanes.

Speaker 21 But in general, expectations are low. Not expected to be a playoff team.

Speaker 21 Indianapolis is not very good. Okay.
Indianapolis is a team they can beat, dare say should beat, even on the road.

Speaker 21 And so I just think if the Dolphins lose this game Sunday, their whole season sags right out the gate.

Speaker 21 I think they need this win in a big way just to entice the fans, just to get the fans a little bit excited, which they're not right now.

Speaker 14 The Pablo now back to football so he's exactly right

Speaker 29 here's the problem is that some people greg and i i don't know dan seems to be one of these people don't seem to understand every game counts exactly the same.

Speaker 29 So if this game was being played week 17, you say that's a big game.

Speaker 36 That's a must-win. They got to win this.
But they're playing that game week one. So you got to win the Indianapolis.

Speaker 36 Daniel Jones is their quarterback.

Speaker 14 If you can't be Daniel Jones, I'm scared of Daniel Jones.

Speaker 10 The Colts overcame the fact that they had a quarterback playing for them who didn't know how to play quarterback who had started like all of 15 games in college and the pros and would appear to be something of a bust.

Speaker 31 Yeah, like are we forgetting?

Speaker 40 I understand what you're saying. The Colts, they're not very good.

Speaker 9 The Dolphins and Colts both won eight games last year.

Speaker 40 Like the Colts are definitely looking at the Dolphins with the exact same mindset. You know, if we don't beat that team, you know, our season sunk too.

Speaker 40 And like it felt, it felt good when they announced Daniel Jones. And so it's like, nice, Daniel Jones sucks.
Right. He's better than Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 24 Yeah, arguably.

Speaker 10 No, he's better than...

Speaker 26 No, what do you mean, arguably, Greg?

Speaker 21 Daniel Jones is a bust.

Speaker 28 Uh-huh.

Speaker 21 Nobody likes Daniel Jones. Greggson's

Speaker 3 the Giants.

Speaker 14 He won a playoff game.

Speaker 10 Anthony Richardson started 15 games, made about seven good throws, got hurt a bunch. Great throws.

Speaker 10 And doesn't know how to play quarterback because he doesn't have the reps of having played quarterback.

Speaker 10 Daniel Jones knows how to play quarterback. The Colts have to be at least a three-point favorite in the game, are they not?

Speaker 23 One and a half.

Speaker 10 One and a half, which means the Betters think Miami's a slightly better team if they're going to be beaten it's going to be by jonathan taylor not not daniel jones no no no if the colts are at home and a one and a half point favorite i understand what you're saying that three points go to the home team but if the colts are favored uh the money is saying that the colts are going to win the game they're favored to win the game but you know how odds go i do but the dolphins are on the road this is not a home team that's it's not the better team playing at home that is the dolphins this is the better team being the colts because they're at home in dan's defense it's weird for you to hear the line and say, well, that suggests the Dolphins are three points better.

Speaker 42 I don't understand how that.

Speaker 41 No, the line suggests that the Colts are one and a half points.

Speaker 21 Well, which means the Dolphins are one and a half points better on a neutral field.

Speaker 38 You guys don't. That's all.

Speaker 6 I get what he's saying, though, because usually the home team gets a minus three.

Speaker 41 Thank you.

Speaker 6 Some gets a plus one and a half.

Speaker 41 Thank you.

Speaker 14 There's a math there.

Speaker 41 There's one game that gets played in that league on a neutral field, and it's the last one.

Speaker 14 So the Dolphins and Colts are actually London. No, no, no, no, no, Friday.

Speaker 23 There's one Friday.

Speaker 10 The NFL starts Friday with a game on a neutral field.

Speaker 9 Thursday, starts Thursday, then.

Speaker 15 Tricky League.

Speaker 10 It starts tomorrow?

Speaker 21 Yeah, but tomorrow.

Speaker 3 But the Brazilian

Speaker 23 family, but the

Speaker 7 Cowboys Pablo's ass already.

Speaker 21 The Brazil game is Friday, today's point.

Speaker 15 Hold on a second.

Speaker 32 Would tomorrow night have been going on and you wouldn't have been watching?

Speaker 10 Well, Friday night would have been going on and I wouldn't have been watching because I didn't know until yesterday when it scrolled across on YouTube.

Speaker 10 I'm like, wait a minute, there's a game Friday night as well?

Speaker 14 Brazil?

Speaker 10 I was not aware of it.

Speaker 40 A couple high-profile teams playing tomorrow night.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I just World Champions.

Speaker 22 I heard. Big game.

Speaker 10 Thank you for

Speaker 2 kicking off. Game of the year.

Speaker 10 Must-win, guys.

Speaker 38 Yeah, yes. I mean,

Speaker 17 we're going to take your word for you.

Speaker 4 You didn't even know the season started tomorrow.

Speaker 3 What do you know?

Speaker 41 How are Dolphin fans going to feel about their season if they lose that game? They're going to feel like it's over.

Speaker 43 So that's why it's obviously ugly.

Speaker 10 Oh, but wait a minute, though.

Speaker 10 The Colts fans, how are they going to feel

Speaker 10 if they lose that game?

Speaker 14 They're not people.

Speaker 10 Colts fans are looking at that and saying that the Dolphins are an eminently beatable football team. That is ripe for total collapse.

Speaker 10 I know a big deal was made a few days ago that they didn't make Tyreek Hill a captain, which was only the easiest and most obvious decision that Mike McDaniel has made since he's been coach of the Dolphins.

Speaker 17 No falsehoods.

Speaker 29 That was a sign that Tyreek Hill actually is a captain. And we talked about this weeks ago, and we said the captains are going to come out.

Speaker 29 And Tyreek has been someone that, you know, is at odds with his teammates.

Speaker 36 He's been named a captain for years now.

Speaker 29 and if he's named a captain we know he's not a captain because he accepted that role however if he's not a captain it shows he's a true leader and he says you know what i'm gonna step down i'm gonna take a step back and he's really a true captain and a leader on this team by not accepting the label of captain what the hell are you talking about no he's right it shows growth and leadership and maturity okay It's very important to note that Mike McDaniel does not pick the captains.

Speaker 21 It's a team vote.

Speaker 21 It's a player vote.

Speaker 21 I think it's very significant that the players themselves demoted Tyreek Hill because they were fed up with him refusing to go in a game late last season and then making all these uncaptain-like, unleadership-like moves on social media before finally retracting with his tail between his legs.

Speaker 21 As Tua said, and I give Tua credit for this, on opening day of training camp, Tua comes out and says Tyreek has to earn back the respect of the team.

Speaker 21 And apparently he hadn't when they voted for captains.

Speaker 3 I think it's a big deal.

Speaker 43 I'm going to have to side with Billy here.

Speaker 11 Thank you.

Speaker 12 They probably all gathered in the locker room, and Tyreek Hill probably stepped forward and said, Guys, I shouldn't be captain, which is a true captain.

Speaker 9 It could be.

Speaker 3 It could be. It was a relationship move.

Speaker 10 Nonsense. Good correction there.
I thought that Mike McDaniel had made that decision. The players making that decision.

Speaker 29 He doesn't make any decisions.

Speaker 41 It's fairly obvious.

Speaker 38 He's running a lot of decisions.

Speaker 1 Isn't it one of those things, though, where all the votes go to Mike McDaniel? So he's sitting in the office counting the votes. I mean, he can kind of say, whoa, whatever.

Speaker 31 Chris Cody finds out.

Speaker 38 Right in ballots.

Speaker 17 Voter fraud and dolphins captain election.

Speaker 32 Nothing's stopping him.

Speaker 10 them put it on the poll please uh

Speaker 10 now players are going up to tyree like hey man i voted for you i don't know what happened yeah and he's saying i'm a leader i don't need this guys i think for the betterment of the team you guys be the captains this year put it on the poll please uh at uh your leisure at lebertard show

Speaker 10 uh did the dolphins players make tyreek hill the captain and uh did mike mcdaniel then jerry rig the vote well it that's one view if the correct probably view is that Tyreek Hill said, you know what, for the betterment of the team of the organization, I'm going to step down.

Speaker 36 I don't think it's a stretch to say he's laying down the foundation for Walter Payton man of the year.

Speaker 38 I do.

Speaker 10 I wish you'd let that silence sit, Greg. Why wouldn't you? Really? Really? So you object to Billy's contention that Tyreek Hill might be NFL man of the year.

Speaker 3 It was important.

Speaker 40 If he didn't say anything, someone may have thought that Greg agreed.

Speaker 10 I wanted the silence. If we could have just stared at him for five seconds, it would have been funny.

Speaker 21 I let it sit for 2.5 seconds.

Speaker 10 You didn't let it sit for it. Not even close.

Speaker 41 It's a quick clock on that.

Speaker 6 2.5 is quick.

Speaker 40 I know you're 2.5 seconds.

Speaker 36 Some people, by the way, have also said Walter Payton Man of the Year is really the most important trophy that you can win, not the Lombardy.

Speaker 3 Yeah, laughable.

Speaker 14 Craig, can you get a little closer to the market?

Speaker 21 You're trying to just annoy me at this point. The NFL says it's their biggest trophy, which is ridiculous.
No offense to Walter Payton.

Speaker 4 Or Tyreek Hill, potentially.

Speaker 39 Rest in peace.

Speaker 27 Right, exactly.

Speaker 38 Sweet.

Speaker 38 Or his son, son, who damned was a bathroom attendant.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 21 No, it's crazy, though.

Speaker 19 Come on.

Speaker 10 I did not think he was a bathroom attendant. I thought he was at the kiosk handing out tourist pamphlets.
I did not think he was a bathroom attendant. That is not how far in extreme my racism ran.

Speaker 10 I simply made him the convention center pamphlet handler, which is also insulting. Your glasses are also fogging.

Speaker 21 I know, they're poorly.

Speaker 10 It's the coffee, I think.

Speaker 3 Poorly what?

Speaker 21 They were fitted wrong for my head. So they sit too close to the Cody eyeball.
The Cody nose.

Speaker 21 The Cody nose nose.

Speaker 21 No, it's badly designed. I'm not going to say who the

Speaker 21 eye doctor is that I go to because I don't want to.

Speaker 14 McGillicuddy?

Speaker 21 No, no, it's not McGillicutty either.

Speaker 10 Greg, the coffee, what's happening with the fogging of the glasses is that your coffee's hot and you're fogging the glasses by drinking coffee.

Speaker 34 Yeah.

Speaker 24 I love coffee.

Speaker 30 Coffee.

Speaker 21 Everybody loves coffee. It's the American drink.

Speaker 38 No, not everyone.

Speaker 10 Yeah, some people don't like it. Yeah.
Put it on the poll at Lebatar Show. Does everyone love coffee? I learned something that I did not know when I was in Hawaii.
I guess, evidently, that...

Speaker 10 coffee prices have exploded because of the tariff situation.

Speaker 10 It's one of the things that have happened where we don't have a lot in America of the kind of soil that you need to make some of the best coffee. So you can do some of that.

Speaker 10 You can find some of that in Hawaii and where else, I guess, Puerto Rico might have some climate that you would want for coffee but we don't make coffee well and america is addicted to coffee put it on the poll at lebitard show um does everyone like coffee because uh have you guys seen uh the coffee prices explode in a way that you're noticing it the way that people noticed that egg prices were exploding nah a little bit a little bit like like i i buy 10k cups of an unnamed brand it it was always 9.99 you know basically a buck a cup for years and now it's like $12.99, $13.99.

Speaker 18 That's pretty big.

Speaker 10 I thought Zaslow was going to bring in a plane stick today. What happened? Oh, I'm going to go.
Yeah, good job. Good job.

Speaker 22 Good job. Why can't someone remind me?

Speaker 9 I got to remember everything.

Speaker 14 You blew it.

Speaker 37 You got to remember to go.

Speaker 9 Everything I got to remember.

Speaker 10 You're going to get a plane stick at Dunkin' Donuts when that's your thing. You said yesterday, that's my thing.
I'm going to bring it in tomorrow.

Speaker 40 And now I'm annoyed because now I'd really like to eat a plane stick right now.

Speaker 10 And everyone said it, and then we put it on a poll, and 85% of the people said they didn't know what a plane stick was. And you were going to show us today what a plane stick was.

Speaker 31 I've let everyone down. Yeah, you have.

Speaker 39 It's okay. We used to.

Speaker 40 Yo, you didn't have to agree so quick, Greg.

Speaker 5 Bricks of Cuban coffee are out of control, if you're asking me, Dan.

Speaker 4 Like, Yava Bustelo, they used to be like $1.99 or something for like a brick down near $5. Now it's crazy.

Speaker 10 Put it on the poll as well at Lebatarge Show. Have you noticed that coffee prices have exploded?

Speaker 16 Hey, everyone. It's Jeremy here, and I want to talk to you about Black Friday Game Day, because Black Friday Game Day is coming to prime with an epic day of live sports.

Speaker 16 Black Friday football is back with the Chicago Bears taking on the Philadelphia Eagles at 3 p.m. Eastern.
That's followed by an Emirates NBA Cup double header, Bucks Knicks at 7 p.m.

Speaker 16 and Mavs Lakers at 10 p.m. And the whole day starts with the Capital One Skins game as four elite PGA golfers meet with $4 million on the line.

Speaker 9 Black Friday game day.

Speaker 16 The Capital One skins game at 9 a.m., Bears Eagles NFL action at 3 p.m., and the final night of Emirates NBA Cup group play with Bucks Knicks at 7 and Mavs Lakers at 10.

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Speaker 10 Don Lebatard. You don't remember the idea for that?

Speaker 15 I was probably like, that kind of thing.

Speaker 14 Something.

Speaker 26 Okay, no. The home run call was that kind of swing, that kind of thing.

Speaker 9 Stugats.

Speaker 29 Oh, it's a good call. Thank you.

Speaker 21 And plus, it doesn't matter who's hitting it. Like, you're not tailoring it to a particular name.
You know, all that jazz. You know, you don't got to do that.

Speaker 14 You just got to go.

Speaker 3 Oh, that would be a great call.

Speaker 22 Oh, that's kind of a call.

Speaker 37 That kind of swing, that kind of thing.

Speaker 10 This is the Don Lebatar show with the Stugats.

Speaker 10 The Pablo Torrey Finds Out story that I do believe, I don't know, you guys have now seen it. It dropped at five o'clock.

Speaker 10 Do we have any special imaging, even though we're coming in a couple of hours late on what it is that's happening with Pablo Torre? His episode dropped at 5 a.m. this morning.

Speaker 10 He's been working on it for seven months, okay, because this is his first assignment in partnership with the athletic, and he's coming out with the biggest story I think he's ever had.

Speaker 10 But you guys have now seen some of the story. Did we overpromise and under-deliver? Did we promise correctly? Or did we under promise and over-deliver?

Speaker 10 Because we normally don't talk this positively about something that's coming out.

Speaker 10 But I really do believe that even in a football week, as soon as people see what the size of this story is, it's got some nuance in it.

Speaker 10 Some of his stories are hard to report cleanly, like just saying, hey, this thing is so, and it's a fact because you're accusing people of things, and there's lawyering involved.

Speaker 10 You don't want to get sued. You have to, like, you have to make sure that you have your facts right on a story like this.

Speaker 10 You can't be flippant about it, but where, so, so, if anyone here is accused of violating the salary cap with a, for example, an alleged $28 million no-show job for Kawhi Leonard, a superstar that everyone was wondering when the Clippers got him.

Speaker 10 How did that happen? Uncle Dennis was involved. Kawhi was asking for a ton of things.

Speaker 10 Did we overpromise?

Speaker 40 I'll be honest, when Pablo first started

Speaker 40 mentioning this like a few weeks ago, and I got a big story coming out, you know, and David was mentioning, hey, he's saying he's got a big story coming out.

Speaker 40 I was like, all right, it's like, better be a doozy, all right? Because Pablo's had a couple stories that felt pretty big, and you're saying this one's bigger. So I'll admit, I was skeptical.

Speaker 40 You know, is this going to come out? Like, eh, it's not that big of a thing. And then I see it this morning, and it's a pretty big thing.

Speaker 32 I think that people are going to be, like, I think they're going to be a lot of trouble with this story.

Speaker 40 I mean, heck, I was listening on the way in here on Sirius XM on NBA Radio.

Speaker 27 They were all over it.

Speaker 40 Like, they were talking about the story and Pablo this, Pablo that. Like, I think once people are starting to wake up today, they see the story.

Speaker 31 I think it's big trouble.

Speaker 21 Yeah, I normally have below average interest in business stories and stories that involve contracts, but this is a true blockbuster.

Speaker 21 And I think the size of it, the weight of it is going to be known when the repercussions come in. Like is Ballmer going to be suspended? Are they going to be fined? Are the club going to be fined?

Speaker 10 They can't lose draft picks because OKC's got them all.

Speaker 9 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 21 But what are they going to do? You know, is the deal going to be negated?

Speaker 40 No, the punishment should be they have to keep Kawhi Leonard.

Speaker 24 That's the punishment.

Speaker 37 That's good.

Speaker 39 They played good last year, Zaz.

Speaker 40 They would love to get out from that contract.

Speaker 1 I kind of poo-pooed the last one of these Pablos.

Speaker 32 This one, this one's big. It's a good one.

Speaker 1 Kind of like the Woj has a Woj bomb.

Speaker 19 This is a Pablo. Pablo.

Speaker 23 Whoa.

Speaker 10 That's the dropping of a Pablo?

Speaker 38 Yeah, he's blown away.

Speaker 2 Like, can you feel it? Oh, yeah, I can't.

Speaker 3 Is there a Pablo out there?

Speaker 41 It's brisk, but it's not like powerful.

Speaker 8 Maybe that's like a nuke, and this is like the nuclear winner sound.

Speaker 1 It sounds to me like a Pablo.

Speaker 10 This is the dropping of a Pablo. Get back in the workshop and see if you can make better imaging for that.

Speaker 41 Damn, that's falling $7,000.

Speaker 3 I feel nervous.

Speaker 5 What's Pablo's security detail like provided by Metal Arc?

Speaker 39 Because he's pissing off a lot of powerful people who, you know maybe might try to kill him.

Speaker 10 I don't know if people listening.

Speaker 10 That was not.

Speaker 10 I don't think that people

Speaker 10 necessarily...

Speaker 10 the discerning ones do, but I don't think that people necessarily see what's happening throughout the entirety of media and sports media that makes it more and more difficult with all of these corporate partnerships and all of these teams not caring for sports journalism.

Speaker 10 And as far as I can tell, not sure how much sports fans care for sports journalism until it's done this kind of thoroughly and they then enjoy, of course, the scandal.

Speaker 10 But what's happening throughout sports journalism is resources throughout local news, throughout everything, not just sports, is that it's all being hacked to death.

Speaker 10 by an assortment of efficiency cuts and people not seeing this stuff as important.

Speaker 10 So Metal Arc Media has made a substantive investment in making sure that this show can do what Outside the Lines used to do, what HBO Real Sports used to do in the podcast form.

Speaker 10 No one else is doing this in the podcast form in sports. Let's play a clip from Pablo Torrey Finds Out.
This episode dropped at 5 a.m. We will get better imaging for when it is a Pablo chop.

Speaker 48 Do you remember the first time that you discovered Kawhi Leonard's endorsement agreement with Aspiration?

Speaker 13 Oh, it was within the first 30 days of my employment with the company. And I didn't so much as discover it as I was told about it.

Speaker 36 What was your reaction?

Speaker 48 What were you told?

Speaker 13 My reaction was, what the f ⁇ ?

Speaker 13 And I was told, like, oh, these are the major contracts and the major players you really need to be aware of. And we went through a litany of, you know, really, really top-tier name contracts.

Speaker 13 And then, oh, by the way, we also have a marketing deal with Kawhi Leonard, like a $28 million organic marketing sponsorship deal with Kawhi.

Speaker 13 And that if I had any questions about it, essentially don't because it was to circumvent the salary cap LOL. There was lots of LOL when things were shared.

Speaker 48 Did you ever see proof of Kawhi Leonard marketing or endorsing Aspiration in any way?

Speaker 13 Never, not once. The single largest payment to an individual for marketing that Aspiration ever made has completely evaded all press.
Nothing. He didn't have to do anything.

Speaker 48 In other words, Kawhi Leonard got from Aspiration a $28 million no-show job.

Speaker 13 Yeah, it's amazing. I'm honestly so jealous.

Speaker 13 So jealous. I mean, he's got the dream.
Like, it's within my beliefs to be paid $28 million and do absolutely f ⁇ all as well.

Speaker 10 One of the things that I wrote down on a piece of paper when we left the ESPN in terms of aspirational bullet points, there weren't that many, but one of them was,

Speaker 10 I'd like to start something that allows me to use a voice modulator.

Speaker 10 And I don't think we do it particularly well here.

Speaker 41 No, that was bad because that was very clearly Boban. Yeah.

Speaker 10 I think it's pretty obvious to anybody who worked with that person who that is. Like, I believe his voice is distinctive enough.
Oh, a sign in a pronoun.

Speaker 15 Okay.

Speaker 10 That while it is that we're listening to it

Speaker 10 we don't know who it is but I think the people who would be mad that that person spoke would recognize that voice I don't think we use the voice modulator very well so identifiable unbelievable what yeah that guy to people who know him to people who work for that company how can you know that the voice sounds different please

Speaker 41 I mean what if it's a woman and it's possible in fact I would say in my opinion I heard that I'm like it's possibly a woman woman. And to hear you guys speak with such certainty that it's not,

Speaker 9 probably speaks to the fact that it might be a good voice modulation.

Speaker 10 You know what? I need to slightly take that back because I erred in assuming that it was or is a man.

Speaker 10 Where I don't think I erred is in thinking that we would be bad as a group at voice modulation and that therefore that would be a man because to disguise the voice and have it be a woman would be well done.

Speaker 10 I don't believe we did it that well.

Speaker 12 The second episode of Pablo Torre finds out is we track down whether or not that's a man or a woman.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Hey, there's spaces in between.

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Speaker 9 Don Lebatard.

Speaker 8 Let me get some golf ASMR.

Speaker 9 Stugats.

Speaker 13 Oh, f me.

Speaker 9 This is the Don Lebatar show with the Stugats.

Speaker 10 Greg Cody

Speaker 10 wanted us to find when he came in here today what I have spoken about before, which is the one time that he was using a voice modulator when he suggested in print, something that Zaslow still makes fun of him about 30 years later, that the Dolphins trade Dan Marino.

Speaker 21 I'm the only person in this room whose voice has been modulated, so I speak from experience.

Speaker 10 Well, Chris has done some voice modulation with a new toy that he has back there that we've given him because, again, the bullet points where I wanted to be good at voice modulation and we're still not good at voice modulation.

Speaker 5 I also snitched on bomber to pop.

Speaker 17 Oops.

Speaker 10 Greg, would you please get in that seat over there where our voice modulator is in the middle seat and see since you, I'd like to see if we can get slightly better at the voice modulation here.

Speaker 10 But I'm on it. In front of the, he loved, Greg Cody loved that in 1990 or thereabouts.
Can you look at the date on that framed column?

Speaker 24 Probably 93.

Speaker 10 On the wall on when it is that Greg Cody, the most memorable column Greg Cody has ever written.

Speaker 3 93.

Speaker 10 In 1993, he blasphemed sacrilege. He traded Dan Marino in print.
And afterward, I thought it was Channel 10 that interviewed him, although he said it was Jim Berry, who I think is still on the air.

Speaker 10 I think Jim Berry is still on the air. Anchor chair.
And

Speaker 10 he had his voice and his face modulated like you would

Speaker 10 a whistleblower or anybody whose identity you were trying to conceal who was giving you information that was dangerous for them to be known to

Speaker 10 be giving. And so he once did an interview in front of the Miami Herald building that way, and he wanted us to find it for him from 30 years ago.

Speaker 10 And I feel like I would have had to go straight to Jim Berry and ask him to go through things I would have to put in a VCR in order to get them to play because this is so old, it's 10 years before the internet.

Speaker 10 Never mind social media.

Speaker 17 Pablo would have found it.

Speaker 10 Maybe Pablo can find it so that we can hear a young sounding greg cody but greg let me hear let me see if your voice would be well disguised here if we modulated it here instead of using all of the resources that pablo has hello this is not greg cody

Speaker 24 that kind of thing

Speaker 44 and you know it

Speaker 10 okay nice any questions i want the whole show like this um do you you want greg to sit in there all show must win for the dolphins Dolphins, huh?

Speaker 24 Not Greg.

Speaker 44 But I do agree with Greg.

Speaker 3 Why are you talking so slowly?

Speaker 34 The Dolphins need to win this opener.

Speaker 14 It's because you can hear yourself.

Speaker 1 It's kind of awkward.

Speaker 24 What do you mean?

Speaker 41 Greg, do you have a back-in-my day?

Speaker 3 A what?

Speaker 44 I stand behind Greg for not doing back in my days anymore.

Speaker 27 You all have him singing songs and doing so many ancillary things that it's ridiculous and you know it talk faster why are you talking so slow

Speaker 53 i'm talking at my normal speed

Speaker 38 this is uh yeah my wife loves this deep sexy voice i'll tell you that there you go how would you talk to her with it yeah baby what's your wife's name i forget

Speaker 10 you're not greg so uh yeah i'm not greg my wife's name is eileen

Speaker 3 come on Eileen. Eileen that way, and you know it.

Speaker 1 Come on, Eileen.

Speaker 34 I didn't say that.

Speaker 10 Roy said it. I know.

Speaker 1 I was like, we're doing a duo thing back and forth.

Speaker 23 And then you know it.

Speaker 10 I have to admit that that is not only an exceptional voice simulator, it's at least in part exceptional because the person speaking is clearly about 350 pounds heavier than Greg Cody.

Speaker 10 You can hear that.

Speaker 3 Thank you.

Speaker 1 We could play a game where you turn around and then someone in here talks and you have to guess who's doing it.

Speaker 34 Ooh, that's a good idea.

Speaker 3 Baby.

Speaker 10 I think we're doing pretty well with Greg Cody.

Speaker 14 Yeah, we just cook.

Speaker 10 Although, I also think that Billy could do all of this better. Let's, Billy, would you go outside, please go? Because I want to do, what is the pixelation called? I guess that's what it's called.

Speaker 10 Pixelation.

Speaker 14 You nailed it.

Speaker 23 Yeah, good job.

Speaker 29 Now, if you're telling me to go do something pixelated, people will know it's me because you just told me to do it.

Speaker 14 Right, okay.

Speaker 38 Which defeats the purpose of the pixelation.

Speaker 10 Let's do something then where no one could ever know it's you. I want you to put on

Speaker 38 now.

Speaker 4 They'll know because, again, you're saying me.

Speaker 29 Just say someone should

Speaker 29 do it.

Speaker 17 And then no one will know who it is.

Speaker 3 All right, so.

Speaker 41 I say, Greg, Greg.

Speaker 4 Why don't you go do it, Greg?

Speaker 5 I could do that.

Speaker 44 If I can find Greg, I'll let him know.

Speaker 34 Okay, good.

Speaker 34 I still can't get over that.

Speaker 24 Zaslo forgot the plane sticks.

Speaker 40 Oh, I don't know why you got to keep bringing that up.

Speaker 31 Would it kill someone to remind me in the morning? I got a lot going on.

Speaker 10 Tomorrow you're going to bring in a plane stick.

Speaker 31 If someone reminds me.

Speaker 24 Bring in enough for everybody.

Speaker 10 All right, someone please leave the room and or someone go into another room, a total mystery figure, and let's see if we can figure out who that person is based on whatever it is.

Speaker 10 The maximum disguise that we can pour resources into so that we can actually do this correctly before we try the game that Chris is suggesting, which is I have to turn my back to things and figure out who's talking at the microphone.

Speaker 10 We will do that in a moment. And we will also get to the fact that the state of Florida has three teams in the top 15.

Speaker 10 The biggest stunner, FSU, all of a sudden in the top 15, going from 13 and 1 to 2 and 10 to now back in the top 15. That is a roller coaster ride.

Speaker 38 Boy, do they look good?

Speaker 44 The overreaction to their beating Alabama to vault them from unranked to number 10 is ridiculous.

Speaker 40 Good thing they weren't 10, though.

Speaker 11 They were 14.

Speaker 34 Well, still, my point is well made.

Speaker 3 That kind of thing.

Speaker 10 You not only sound like you're 450 pounds, you also, because of how slow you're talking, you sound like you're slurring. Like, you sound like you've had a great deal to drink.

Speaker 3 Right. Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 44 You know, I was born this way. You know, don't make fun of my voice.

Speaker 33 Now, I can artificially try to talk even quicker and see how it turns out.

Speaker 34 But this is the quickest it goes. Hey, this is the quickest it goes.
Everybody, this is the quickest it goes. Yeah,

Speaker 23 this is the quickest it goes.

Speaker 10 This is the quickest it goes. All right, we go out into the other room where Billy obviously is better at all of these things than we are.

Speaker 10 Let's go out to a super secret person who clearly is not Billy. It's somebody else.
Let's see if we can figure out who this is.

Speaker 3 This is good.

Speaker 54 And the voice is going to be changed.

Speaker 29 Yeah, yeah, you're good.

Speaker 30 So, we're talking about Pablo.

Speaker 20 Oh, he broke another story.

Speaker 3 Big deal. Wow.

Speaker 54 We're with the athletic now. We're breaking serious news.
How about this for breaking news? Football starts on Thursday. You're releasing a story on Wednesday.
And what's the story?

Speaker 54 Oh, a rich guy did something a little bit sketchy and maybe got around laws.

Speaker 20 Who could have seen that coming?

Speaker 54 Billionaires getting their way by not following the law and making up fake tree planting companies. I'm shocked, aghast.
How about this?

Speaker 54 Philadelphia Eagles, Thursday, football stars, Friday, Brazil, Saturday, FIU Penn State, Sunday, Sunday night football. The NFL full slate is back.
Monday.

Speaker 20 This story has what?

Speaker 54 a day to exist and we're gonna throw a big party to find out that all of a sudden these people are not all on the up and up, allegedly.

Speaker 20 Who cares?

Speaker 14 Why don't we move this?

Speaker 54 Like, did Pablo not get enough attention as a child?

Speaker 54 And now we have to stop everything that we do every time he puts out a podcast episode and pretend like we've discovered some sort of great thing that's going to change the world. No one cares.

Speaker 54 No one cares about the story. No one's going to care about it.
Everybody's flying down to throw a party. They're sending all these do not report until 5 a.m.

Speaker 54 on Wednesday as if I want to tell my friends about this story anyway.

Speaker 20 Like, I want to talk to my friends. Did you hear about Kawhi Leonard and Steve Ballmer?

Speaker 54 No, no one gives a shit about Steve Ballmer and Kawhi Leonard. Here's the story: they cheated and they still suck.

Speaker 20 They haven't won anything. Why don't you explore that?

Speaker 54 Why don't you find out why they keep cheating and can't win?

Speaker 47 That's the interesting thing.

Speaker 20 If anything, cheat better.

Speaker 47 This isn't even good cheating. You haven't won shit.
Who cares about this story? Who cares about the Clippers? Who cares about Kawhi Leonard's? Who cares about replanting trees?

Speaker 54 Fucking ridiculous.

Speaker 10 I do want to talk about what a great fake business the tree planting business is.

Speaker 9 God damn.

Speaker 6 If you're talking about fraud, the one thing you got to do is make sure that you're not selling something that can be traced back to you, right?

Speaker 46 Hey, yeah, we planted the tree.

Speaker 15 See that tree right there? We planted it. And you're like, really? Wow.
How much did it cost you? 100 grand. No biggie.

Speaker 42 And you just re and you just multiply that for 28 million dollars.

Speaker 25 You put a trillion trees. Everybody's happy.
You replay the replant the rainforest and you never did anything and you get all this money and it doesn't matter. What an incredible fraud.

Speaker 10 I think that that mystery figure was indeed right when he or she shrugs his or her shoulders and says, oh, big surprise, a billionaire skirting the rules.

Speaker 10 However, one of the shocking things about this to me, many, many years ago, can you look this up for me and see if it is indeed true? Because it might be an urban myth.

Speaker 10 But for many years, the greatest example of cheating in sports with money used to be Eric Dickerson and the way that he was recruited and specifically the way SMU recruited him before SMU went on like this total probation because they were cheating everywhere.

Speaker 10 And the story goes, and please look this up for me to see if it's true, because I've asked Eric Dickerson and he will not confirm it.

Speaker 10 And I can't remember if it's true or urban myth, that SMU offered him an oil well.

Speaker 37 That's 40 years ago.

Speaker 10 To see that make an appearance in the pros because of course they're going to try and get around the salary cap and Mark Cuban one time got gonged because he just let Dennis Rodman stay at his house for a while because they're very particular about we're legislating equality here.

Speaker 10 Bad teams get better. We need everything to be competitive.

Speaker 10 When you circumvent the salary cap, as it looks like the Clippers did, to land Kawhi Leonard with a $28 million no-show job that used to be the exclusive domain of colleges and the way that colleges recruited

Speaker 10 before they could pay players is legitimately shocking to me even understanding that uncle dennis and kawhai were working in the shadows and weren't doing business the way necessarily ballmer usually does business how unlikely is it to you guys that steve ballmer is the only billionaire that tried this in a cap sport because my take after this reporting by pablo is i think there are some other owners that are getting a little nervous name names

Speaker 10 i thought that uh and i've never been able to actually confirm this because I thought that

Speaker 10 for a while there, when China was making its way in and the Chinese endorsements were making their way into the sport, that there were creative ways that an assortment of owners were leveraging relationships to get people endorsement money because of the relationships that they had in China that would have been outside of the salary cap and had some promises in it that would allow this.

Speaker 10 But a $28 million

Speaker 10 no-show job is beyond the pale.

Speaker 10 Like this is to pay someone that much for something that they didn't even have to do an endorsement deal, that the whole thing just seemed kind of bogus because he was hiding behind some plants,

Speaker 10 hiding behind some plants and tree planting.

Speaker 40 Do we know for sure that he didn't plant any trees?

Speaker 6 That's what they say. So the thing is, if you're going to go through with a good scam, you got to have the backstory, right? You got to have Kawhi in some Timbalan boots with a shovel.

Speaker 6 You got to have him next to a couple of trees, a little bit of dirt on his face, face, a little bit of sweat. And you're like, look, he's planting these trees.

Speaker 6 What was his no-show job at this company? No show.

Speaker 10 It was to no-show.

Speaker 25 Tree planter? Was he just picturing with the tree? Like, what was his job?

Speaker 10 As a celebrity endorser, like Robert Downey Jr., they were spending a lot of money on celebrity endorsements.

Speaker 40 I like the LLC that he created to get payment, KW2. Like, they're really hiding the

Speaker 40 well, I mean, you may as well just named it Salary Cap Cheating LLC.

Speaker 9 KW2.

Speaker 29 What had the name of the fake company in it?

Speaker 34 Well,

Speaker 37 part of the outrage here is the stupidity.

Speaker 9 The idea that they have a fake company for Kawhi Leonard and don't even go through the pretense of him actually having a job. It would be so easy to fake that.

Speaker 53 Have him do an ad, have him do a commercial appear in a magazine.

Speaker 44 They did none of that. But to Mike's point, and he's right,

Speaker 44 I instantly wondered if this team is so hamhandedly trying to circumvent the salary cap, it's got to be going on not only in the NBA, but in every major team.

Speaker 37 I don't think so.

Speaker 10 Okay, you say that.

Speaker 45 The MLS is overtly doing it with Messi.

Speaker 42 I mean, they have rules that designated players can make what they want, but the pot was sweetened with Apple.

Speaker 41 And we just understand the business that Messi brings over to that league, and everybody is okay with it.

Speaker 36 But but there is just no way on earth that steve ballmer was the first person to think of this and execute it no way now other people may be better at covering up their tracks i assume i can only assume that there are teams right now looking into this kind of thing in fairness to kawaii and steve ballmer sometimes seeds just don't take that is true you know like i don't know if you've ever had to like the school project where your kid bring homes like a pumpkin seed you're like wow i'm gonna have a pumpkin patch in my backyard and now it never pay for pumpkins again at you know halloween and it just never grows.

Speaker 4 So it's possible they got dud sees, and they're the real victims here.

Speaker 10 Can you look up for me, please, what are the greatest salary cap scandals in the history of sports? Because we're fascinated by the numbers. Jawan Howard and the heat.
The salary cap.

Speaker 10 Yeah, after that one, Pat Riley had the famous quote that the NBA office made him feel like he had just gone back from the proctologist and they'd stuck a hundred-foot pole up his fork

Speaker 10 because they

Speaker 10 overrode the Juwan Howard trade. But when you guys, or the Juwan Howard transaction, when you guys are cynical and understandably saying, ah, this probably happens all the time, that's one thing.

Speaker 10 I don't agree with it because they're very vigilant about investigating this stuff. And the penalties are harsh and will be harsh.

Speaker 7 But they did investigate this previously and found nothing.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but they weren't super vigilant.

Speaker 10 No, but this is my point exactly. It's one thing to suspect it.
It's a whole nother thing to be able to prove it. And it's in public now and it feels proven.
That one is is what's rare about it.

Speaker 10 Like you can have your cynicisms, but Pablo actually did the work and the facts on this are something that are gonna, they're gonna have reverberations throughout the sport.

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