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Welcome to another episode of Insights to Mediocrity. I'm Jeremy Tashay here with our expert, our superstar, Tony Galadiou.
Good to be here, Jeremy. Tony, tell me, Jordan or LeBron? Jordan.
Why?

Better shoes. It's a great answer.
People talk about championships. People talk about points.
LeBron's got more points. Jordan's got more championships, defensive, this, that.

Who's got a bigger impact on the culture?

And

LeBron has come out with some nice shoes. I've worn them.
I've bought them. I have them, right?

But the impact globally for the culture that Jordan has made from the shoe perspective, I think outweighs anything that LeBron could do on the the court, off the court.

I think like just that cements Jordan as the goat.

What motivates 10-day Tony?

The next thing.

The next thing. Like, yeah, we're here.
We're doing this thing. You know what motivates me? The next thing.
Like, what are we doing now? We're doing this conversation. What am I going to do next?

That's what motivates me to get to that point. Like, we're going to be done with this.
This will be filmed off somewhere. Somebody will edit it.
They'll put it out on the show. They'll do whatever.

What does that do?

Tell me it's the next challenge for you,

it's the next thing. I don't even know what the next thing is, but that's what motivates me.
I don't know what it is, but I'm gonna find it and I'm gonna do it.

It was, hey, I shoot righty, and yeah, I'm right-handed. I've shoot righty all my life.
Okay, perfect. What if I shoot Lefty?

What if

I shoot Lefty in the game?

What if I shoot Lefty falling away out of bounds? What if people are upset that I'm shooting Lefty? Will I continue? Will I not? I do. That's the next challenge.
So for me, what motivates me? Next.

Needs to be shorter.

Those are insights into mediocrity.

I want to ask before we get to John Cena and

Zaslow traveling to go see him submit for the first time in his career, historically gave up

for the first time in

that in a second, but I wanted to ask you guys, and I'm going to set this up a certain way.

I wanted to ask you something related to Marcus Freeman and ask you if you've heard anyone else say what I'm about to say about Marcus Freeman.

But before I do that, I want to play for you guys some sound of Coach O. Coacho is going through the rubble of what's happened at LSU, and Coach O is telling you that Brian Kelly never fit there.

I want to hear this sound from bussing with the boys.

And Brian Kelly didn't feel like the personality personality to handle that. Were you like, what was your thought process? First of all,

we made a mutual decision. They fired me.

We made a mutual decision, but I wanted to coach this team to the end. And I made, I'm not leaving this team.
I was ready to go because it was enough.

And when they named him, he was a big time hire and stuff like that. But I wondered how well he would relate.
Like you said, Louisiana is a different place, man. People think different.

Players are raised different.

People raised different in the south you got to be a personable person you got to go in there and love them it ain't so much about the x's and the o's it's uh again by getting them to play and you know hey taking care of them and making sure they understand that

he didn't do that

that wasn't he didn't have to do it not a damn right or if he did it i don't know but when he came out and said family and like that it's a great night to be a tiger i'm here with my family

it just it just wasn't a good thing yeah is he a great coach yes he is

he's i mean he did it if i know him for a long time so before i get to marcus freeman i want to ask you guys there do you guys hear coach oh saying there

i won because i connected with the players brian kelly didn't win because he didn't connect with the players it sort of ignores that coach oh had joe burrow and jamar chase and that's not exactly what brian kelly had but you hear coach oh saying there the way i did it was the right way to do it.

The way Brian Kelly did it, he never connected, right? But it could be both.

Like it is, yeah, he had the good players, but also, you know, that's someone who didn't, like, because he's not the only one who's alluded to that. Brian Kelly was never someone who loved LSU.

And, you know, Sabin loved LSU. Les Miles loved LSU.
Ed Ojoan clearly loved LSU. And you never got that impression that Brian Kelly loved LSU.

You take a look at the 2019 team, Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, Clyde Edwards-Alaire, who was a first-round pick, Grant Delpin, who's been been good in the league. Derek Stinley Jr.

was a freshman on that team in 2019, ended up being a top three pick. Patrick Queen, Christian Fulton, Kalevon Chason, Jacob Phillips, Lloyd Cushenberry.

Like, you're talking about NFL multi-year starters, some Pro Bowlers, some great players. And it's not like he showed up and these guys were on the roster to his original point.

He developed those relationships. He had to talk a former Mr.
Ohio into picking LSU and leaving Ohio State. Like he secured that talent.

That is the best roster that I've ever seen a college football team have. And he was gone very quickly after that.
Amazing.

I'd say

I'd say better than the University of Miami.

I know that there's some NFL names on it. Hold on on that.
That defense was not that good for a change for you. I need more names.
That's Justin Jefferson.

Roster comparison name for name.

Joe Burrow's better than any quarterback Miami's ever had. That's fine.
Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson are better than any receiver except Michael Irvin. Oh, okay.

I mean, the receivers on that team were pretty freaking good.

I've ever heard of Andre Johnson game. He's got a cold jacket.

Not Not Jamar Chase. You know about that, Reggie Wayne? Not Justin Jefferson.
Okay.

All right.

Jim, Jim, and the defense, it's no question who's better. You know about that Jeremy Schockey?

You can make whatever arguments you want debatable. I will go from there, though, to tell you

that the reason Marcus Freeman is so coveted right now is simply because he surprised us by inheriting what it is that Brian Kelly gave him and keeping it in the same place.

But the thing I wanted to ask all of you in wondering what's presently happening around Marcus Freeman.

The LSU 2019 team had seven first-round picks, which is great. Miami of 2001 had 17.

What?

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Dan, you need to apologize. We tell Clyde Edwards hilar, this isn't a good place for you.
You don't fit.

Time to walk it back, Jack. It might be.

I'm going to have to look at it a second because that LSU offense was better than

any Miami ever had, but maybe I'm wrong on that. Different eras.

The thing that I wanted to say to you about Marcus Freeman, though, to wonder whether or not anyone is doing what I'm about to say.

I know Notre Dame is mad about what just happened, and I know that Notre Dame has every reason to be mad about what just happened.

But if you're Marcus Freeman's agent, it's the best thing that could have possibly happened to your client. Because now you don't actually have to prove that you're better than all these other teams.

You can just say you were and you were wronged, and now you can get any job that you want.

For Marcus Freeman's agent, there is nothing short of winning the championship that would have been better than the position that he presently finds himself in, which is all he had to do is the same thing Brian Kelly did.

And he did that. And now at a ridiculously young age, he can have any job he wants without it being disproven against the best teams in the sport.

But how much of a factor did getting to the national championship last year play in that? Like, you think that if this didn't happen and he got to the playoffs and he lost in the first round,

no, what I'm saying is the result of him not having to do anything other than say we were wronged is the best possible move that his agent would have wanted if I gave him all the moves short of winning the championship.

That finishing second this year wouldn't have made him as coveted as what this makes him right now, where right now he can have any job that he wants and what he's coming off of is there are no stains.

You didn't beat anybody this year. You lost the two big games you had, but you can have any job in the sport that you presently want.

I can't believe that the agent could have much better situations than that. Well, and maybe also because he's available now to go talk to other people about jobs.

Like last year, apparently he was really close to going to the NFL, but he refused to talk to people and they played until the end of January.

Well, now we're at the beginning of December and like he's available. I mean, he's super coveted no matter what.

Like if they make the playoffs and then lose in the first game, he's still a coveted coach. I think so.
But less coveted. Is he? Yes.
Yes, less coveted than he is right now. Yes.
Right now.

Right, Mike, you can tell us. You've been in the thick of the.
I've been a report on this one. So he could have any job, correct?

Yeah, there's plenty of teams that are presently in the NFL playoff mix that are talking about having Marcus freeman as their head coach jobs dolphins should hire jobs that are not open he can literally have his pick there aren't entire divisions that want marcus freeman to be their next head coach in a division i'm not going to do that they have coaches they have jobs they have family

but marcus freeman can legitimately call his shot And by the way, if you're calling your shot, the one that he's presently most linked to

is a New York Giants job. I'm not going to tell you you're wrong.
This guy has New North. This guy has too much.

That's a pretty good job. Good looking, can get any job he wants.
I mean, too much for Marcus Trump.

Giants, if you were to pick a job with that D-line, with neighbors, with a quarterback in the dart, with we'll see where Scataboo is, with ownership, you know, like that's not a bad job to market if you were to pick him.

But there are teams that are closer to Super Bowl ready that want him to.

Absolutely, if he returns to Notre Dame, it'll be for both one of the top three salaries in the sport and because he genuinely loves Notre Dame. And he does.
He loves Notre Dame.

Does he genuinely love Notre Dame if we're going to do this every year where he may leave for the NFL? He may,

dude, his stock will never be higher, I don't think. No, but if he genuinely loves Notre Dame, you don't leave Notre Dame.
Yeah, but you have leverage, though. Like, that's the whole game.
Like, oh,

I may go to the Giants. I may go here.
I may go there. Oh, Notre Dame, you're going to need me more money? Perfect.
So you believe he'll never leave then for an NFL job? If he doesn't leave this year,

I don't know if he ever will. He's still a young man.
But I don't know if his stock is never going to be higher.

I don't see it ever being higher. And his agent may say, like, you know, you're quarterback to Terra's ACL next year, and you won't have these opportunities.

Like, these opportunities don't present themselves that often where every NFL team, we're talking blue blood franchises, wants you as their head man.

You could always go back to the college game if you flame out in the NFL. You will always be a top candidate in the college ranks if you flame out in the NFL.
Does he have any flaws?

I mean, can someone tell me a flaw Marcus Freeman has? Hairline might be received. Oh, does he? Losing to bad teams often.
A little bit.

Yeah. Northern Illinois.
September. Marshall.

Northern Illinois. September football.
Other than bad losses. No flaws.

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Let's examine just for a quick second, though, the hypothetical of just how his agent is thinking as someone who gets 5 to 10% of everything, as Notre Dame is wrong.

He's the one guy who's looking at everything and saying, this is totally good. We have time to interview.
He can go and be just model-esque, wandering around as spokesman and face for a team.

He could look great, and there will be nothing that happens on the field that will affect this.

There's nothing that will affect this the rest of the way.

We've got months of Marcus Freeman just being glorious because he's never going to lose because he doesn't actually have to play in any of the games.

Marcus Freeman doesn't even actually say to himself,

I'm going to make more money off this. Like just the agent says, okay, good.
I'm going to make more money now because Notre Dame and my client were left out of the College Wall Playoffs.

Me, agent guy i'm going to make money i know he loves notre dame we mentioned that already but i've also heard he wants to be in the pros i if everything was there and laid out in front of him and it was a good situation he'd leave for that and now we're finally starting to see it adam schefter said he's going to be the ben johnson of this cycle diana roussini reported the giants level of interest i've been telling you for months this day was coming and basically all that needs to happen is marcus freeman telling his agent exactly where he wants to go and and nobody blames him if he goes to the NFL because that's considered a step up no matter how much you love college football.

Whereas if he goes to New York, you know the Nordium fans would be upset.

He could go to Michigan. I think if he, no, I disagree.
I think if he goes to the NFL, South Ben goes, you know what? I see why he made that move. You guys do understand.

If he goes to another college, South Ben hates him all the time. You guys do understand, though, right, that if he played a game and lost by 20 to Lane Kiffin, it wouldn't be what it is now.

I just agree. I disagree.
I don't agree with that. I disagree.
He's got a track record there. He got the national championship last year.

I don't think a playoff loss, especially since he made it to with an injured team. He made it all the way to the championship game last year.

I don't think it gets, if he loses to Miami again in the CFP, I don't see his stock. You see the way he fills out that shirt? I'm doing degrees, though.
I'm doing degrees.

This is as unblemished as it can be. You never actually have to prove it.
No,

he's the most coveted, and you didn't win a championship, and you may not win a championship, and you don't have to prove it. I know you're like a dog with a bone on this one.
0% change in that.

They've been talking about Marcus Freeman and these jobs for weeks on end. But it is interesting what you're saying because you go back and consider all the hullabaloo around Lane Kiffen.

Marcus Freeman got to the college football national championship game last year. Lane Kiffen has never been in the playoffs.
How'd it go for you this weekend? You fly out to see John Cena.

You fly out to see something that you expected to be what? And how close did it come to meeting your expectations?

We, okay, first of all, we had a great time because we were at the center of what was a pop culture phenomenon over the weekend. And it was a wild scene before the show started outside.

They had a whole fan fest kind of deal. They had their live studio broadcasting right outside Capitol Arena.
That was a whole scene. And we...
We were so charged up and so excited.

The crowd was so into it. I mean, Cena comes out for his entrance.
It's his final entrance ever. The whole crowd is singing his entrance song.

It was wild.

I was shouting, let's go straight up.

We were into it. What was your reaction to the finish?

Spoiler alert. You cried.
You cried.

Spoiler alert.

Don't ever accuse me of the cry. You were a sucker crying.
I never cry. Look at his face right here.
What's wrong with crying? A lot of people on the internet seem to be a little underwhelmed.

Spoiler alert, if you for some reason are going to watch this later,

he just kind of is choked out and just gives a smirk and then a tap. I had my hands on my head like this when he tapped out.

I was shook. I was.

Even though I knew he was going to lose, I was holding out hope that he was going to win. I really wanted him to win.
I wanted the big celebration and the big pop and everybody to be so excited.

Dan, the crowd wanted him to win so bad, but that doesn't happen in pro wrestling when the great guy retires. You always lose.
Okay, I'm a pro wrestling agnostic, so I have the vision.

So that means you don't believe in pro wrestling? I have the agnostic means an atheist means I don't believe in it. Okay.
An agnostic means I'm not a huge fan.

You know it exists, but you don't care.

I don't particularly care. But here's the thing, and only I can say this.
What happens is after an appropriate amount of time retired, four months, five months, John Cena comes back.

It's a big comeback.

Not if he wins that. If he wins, he goes out on top.
The stage is, the script is he loses. He makes a big comeback, big drawing comeback.
Over the summer, perhaps.

Biggest thing in wrestling normally when a all-time great wrestler retires they all say they're retiring or it's their final match retirement match and a few years later they always come back that is not going to be the case here that is why do you think why do you think not because his oh a couple reasons one his whole deal all right is like he's this really super clean cut guy and like honesty and loyalty and respect that's a really big thing it would literally be lying to everybody for an entire year because it's been a year-long tour.

You'd be lying to everyone for an entire year. People spent a ton of money to come see you on all these dates throughout the year, not to mention how expensive the final date is.

Zaz, Zaz, an alleged adult, got on an airplane to go see this. Let's listen to a fan.

I'm assuming this is a child. Oh my god, this is right out of the fire.
Everything, this is actually Zaz. This is a giant toddler.
Let's listen to Zaz crashing out during the match.

It's so!

No one likes you! That's not true. You know what?

You'll just take us to no place!

Take my hat, I dare you. The crowd was chanting F you.

Heavy booze at the end of the match. Crowd was really angry.
Is that like a John Cena line? Take my hat, I dare dare you. Like, where'd that come from? He's trying to make a moment.

They did the right thing for the business. They made Gunther like this big, huge heel, but I thought the show was a laborious watch.
I can't even imagine having to be there.

I'm sure you were getting no, no, it was great being there. No, no, no.
You know, drinks were flowing. It was great.
It was great being there. Well, you're there.

You got to see the moment, and Booing is part of the experience. That's all funny.

The people are really upset at Triple H for booking it that way. But for me, on the whole, they made a big deal of this retirement tour.
Right. They botched it.
I understand people being upset. I do.

I understand people being upset. I'm not saying the ending.
The ending is perfect. The way that the match unfolded, like, that's all kind of dandy.

The business end of this, the failed heel run at the WrestleMania for his last WrestleMania, it was too TKOE for me, and it felt like they just botched it.

So, Greg, part of the reason, or a major, the major part of the reason that the great wrestler loses in the final match because you're supposed to give back.

You're supposed to give it to the guy who beats you.

And so, as a result, Gunther is now a monster heel do you know what heel is gunther volkswagen do you know what gunther is no do you know what heel is that's that's that's a bad guy all right so now gunther is a monster heel so check this out we have video of this all right where gunther he has to be escorted to his bus after the match because look at the people they're crowding him they're chanting

you gunther they're so angry look at they're following him like they're gonna attack him the people are gonna attack gunther as he's walking

for gunther though all right this is good for him oh it's amazing for Gunther. I'm looking at Greg Cody, though, and he is barely concealing his disdain for your enthusiasm for this as an adult.

Okay, first of all, people are going like this. What are they doing? They're marking my words.
They're marking my words. It's only a matter of time before he makes his big comeback.

And what I imagine, and I'm talking about all those people chasing him to his bus. Maniacs.
Maniacs. Do those people not know the whole thing is scripted?

Like, what is the attitude of a fan blaming Gunther? They don't care. They want to be happy and they're happy and they're got a win.

I feel your disdain and I just would like it articulated because I see you bemused by Zachary. Do you think it's strange that I loved it, that I'm so invested in it? Of course.
That

he would fly to go see it. Yes.
Spend actual money to go see something that isn't actual. Right before the show started, you could have sat ringside $11,000, Greg.
Okay.

How about I give that money to charity instead of somebody else can go instead of me because I would pay $11,000

not to be there.

It's like watching a play. I mean, you put on a gala for a family pick'ems.
That's a good shout right there from Chris. That's a real league.
I mean, it's a reality. It's literally a fantasy.

No, it isn't. It's a fantasy.
The league's been in existence since the late 60s. It's real to you, damn it.
Look,

more than real. Look,

there are millions of people just like you who will frown on me for traveling and going to this kind of show. But I was at, like I said, what was a pop culture phenomenon on Saturday nights.

Only 20,000 people in the world were there. I was one of those 20,000 people.
Everyone was talking about it. That shit was fun.

Didn't get the ending that I wanted, of course, but that was a fun, fun night. Okay.
Well, good for you. I mean,

and your analogy, Mike, about liking it to a play, I get that. You know, it's suspended belief.
But is it suspended belief, though, when those people... Well, those people are maniacs.
Okay.

Like, was I one of those people? Was I booing at the end of the night? No, because I'm not a maniac. You shake out your head.

You don't know. You don't know.
You were crying. You were disappointed.
You're not crying. You gotta stop saying I was crying.
You were crying.

You gotta stop saying I was crying.

He cried. That happens with scripted content all the time.
When there's a really unpopular death in the world.

Game of Thrones is nukes the show. Red wedding, Game of Thrones.
You weren't shook watching Red Wedding?

The thing that is different about wrestling than anything else in the history of, let's just say, ESPN.com is the scripted play never ends up as the fourth headline on ESPN.com between Mahomes out with an MJ.

See, what happened in Hamilton?

Mahomes out with a knee injury, Micah Parsons

out for the season, Cena submits for the first time ever in scripted content that was written by writers.

I was singing his theme when he came out. I was charged up, man.
I was interested.

I just can't believe when they're like going through all the possible endings to that match, they're like, I know how it's going to end. a smirk and a tap.
And why is that, though?

Because they're thinking down the road, am I the only one here who knows, would bet on Cena coming out of retirement. Let's do it.

You would bet on it. I will bet on that too with you.
I will take the other side. Okay.
Greg Cody is taking both the ignorant and stubborn position of usually these guys do come back.

But what he's saying is so, Cena's one of the few in the history of the sport. Even Hulk Hogan had a heel turn.
But this guy's entire premise is I'm all-American moral integrity guy.

Funny. So, I'm

funny. Why are you questioning Judge Sena's integrity? Wait a minute.
Let me get this straight.

I'm taking the ignorant point of view, whereas the people chasing that guy to the bus, angry that he followed the script. You're just taking the money.
Most people are ignorant. No, no.

I'm the ignorant.

There could be multiple ignorant people here, but you're being ignorant because you are not using, you're just basically using your viewpoint on old rock acts, old acts of all kind.

They all come back.

It would be surprising if this one came back because the entire construct, he's Olympic hero guy. He's guy who represents America.
That's Kurt Angle. That's Kurt Angle.

If he comes back, he literally would have scammed paying customers. Oh, wow.
Like, that's never happened. Yeah.

Like, Mike Tyson coming back at age 56 is not scamming paying custom customers.

Gotta side with Greg. You're saying Tyson and John Cena are the same integrity? I gotta side with Greg.
If he's coming back, it's not like the fans are gonna be pissed off that

lied to. They're gonna be thrilled to see him back.
Exactly. He put his sneakers on a Riyodd season logo.
Let's be real here. We all thought HBK was done.

HBK came back. So you would bet the way that Greg Cody does, you would bet that he will indeed be back.
I'm taking bets over. Guys, he left his shoes in the ring.
Isn't that a thing?

Yeah, but pick them up all the time. Right.
And he got back after that? Yeah, it has happened.

I'm more inclined to believe what Zaz is saying, but

him coming back would not surprise me because there have been plenty of people that said they would never do that. Right, of course.
He was an ultimate Vince guy, though.

So I just don't know how much he fits in this incarnation of WWE. He ain't going out on the bottom, this guy.
He's not going out with a loss, trust me. They all go out on a loss.

Literally, what happens? Not this guy. Not Taker.
No. This guy, for reasons you mentioned, pristine reputation, that guy goes out with a W.

Wow.

Exactly.

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Don Lebatard. I've never stepped foot on that campus.
If you told me right now your life depends on it, go to Santa Fe University and just take a picture. Stugats.
I would die.

I don't know where it is. This is the Don Lebatar show with the Stugats.

A couple of teams in the AFC that I believe are not being talked about enough because

we spend so much time

talking about the quarterbacks in that sport.

So proud of himself. Look at him.

Just getting in my way and offering some of that. The joke would have been transition.

Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Yeah.

Well, yeah, but the joke that the show makes is transition. Segway.
Fancier word.

Hop on it. Right down the sidewalk.
In Greg's defense, he is a writer still, and Segway is a stronger word

than transition.

It really is. It's got a French flair to it.
Go on. What were you saying? Something about non-quarterbacks.
We all want to talk about the NFL, but not talk about quarterbacks. Start with a guard.

Start with a backup safety. Who did you have in mind? Go on, Dan.
It's your show.

The two teams that I was going to talk about that will excite no one when it comes to advancing.

What are you laughing at? Are you sure nobody? I'm excited already. What are you laughing? What are you laughing about?

You're teasing what you're about to say by saying the two teams I'm about to talk about about that no one will be interested in.

The reason I'm saying it is because if they get to the Super Bowl, people are going to be mad that defense is what got to the Super Bowl.

It's Houston and the Chargers. Yes.

Houston and the Chargers getting to the Super Bowl will be unappetizing to everyone who's listening to this because it's great defense that's getting you there.

And at the end of yesterday's Chiefs-Chargers game, did you guys see? So Tony Jefferson is a lifelong nomad. He's played for 10 years in the league.
He's had four interceptions before this year.

He's got four interceptions this year.

He's been a healthy scratch three times this season, but still is just crushing people, like physically, is somebody who is hitting everybody, and he's got four interceptions.

And then he gets ejected from yesterday's game late because he's doing obscene gesture. I didn't see the obscene gesture, but there's only one he can be doing, right? It's only middle.
fingers.

It's Pavia in the club in New York.

When I say obscene gesture, is there a second? You guys aren't doing any of the other obscene gestures except for middle finger, right? Because I'm reading the story. I haven't seen the video.

And when it says obscene gesture, all I've got is middle finger. There's no other gesture you're getting ejected for.
Dan, the obscene gesture that

he did was a palo que dio Taekwan Thornton because that was a balo. Yeah, it was a legal hit.
And Harbaugh said after the game, all I've seen is good football out there from that guy

because he just crushes people. Chris Cody is doing, who invented this gesture? The running the back of your hand against the bottom of your

chin

as a gesture. I thought it was the Italians.
I thought that

bleep off, right? That's how Brando's was more of like a scratch than like the full way. You know what I mean? I wasn't offering up a sincere guess.

When you say something, I think you're doing a thing. I like somebody, though.
I like a referee having to make a decision as a guy does this going off of the field.

Is that obscene enough to eject a football player from the bottom? You get the face mask in the way too, so you can't really go the full. You're doing it the Italian way.

I like to do it the Michael Jackson way.

Plus, what if the obscene gesture isn't a full bird? It's just like a half knuckle. That's not obscene.
It's not a bird. Isn't it? That's not obscene.
I got to see a nail or else.

Do you ever do it when you have the other fingers bent? What if I go like this? You know, like

this as. Wing.
That's how

it's. Kickstands.
Kickstands. I used to do that when I.
I don't know. Why are your fingers so weird? What? Yeah.

You can't put your fingers out like that in the middle finger? What? Great thing. It looked like you were trying to do it hard and it wasn't working.
You can't do the West Coast?

Can you do that again? I wish I could do West Coast. Can you do this? Don't take it.
Can you do the Vader time? Spock?

Vader time. Can you do this?

That's Spock. Jeremy, look up for me.

Bud Adams, I believe at the time he was the owner of the Oilers.

He was wearing a blue leisure suit, and he got fined for middle fingers that I believe he did old man style, no kickstands, just straight up. Two middle fingers to the crowd with no kickstands.
I need

no kickstands.

Thumbs were tucked in, huh?

It was just two middle fingers trying, they were flying naked.

They had no support for it. He's right.

It was just old man shit, and it was a blue leisure suit up. And with championship rings on each ring finger.
Ooh. Ooh, that's boss right there.

There is no other obscene gesture, though, right? If I do one hand

to grab the package, that's an obscene gesture. We can find a few.
Like one of these right here. The grabbing of the package is an obscene gesture.
I don't think that one gets him ejected.

Do you think

we're doing that? Do you think that one gets him ejected?

He does that injection.

Do you think that gets someone? I think Blood Adams were doing this to call him a fan.

Okay, so that for the audio audience is just basically slapping below your bicep to kick up the other arm halfway. It's not a middle finger.

It's just basically I'm doing my whole forearm as a middle finger. I mean, it wants to be a middle finger.
That's what that's birthed from. You can also do the wanker.

That's more of an insult in Europe. How do you do that? I'm not going to do that.

This was was 2009 he was fined 250 000 he was 86 years old when he did this the 120 fab a bird i think middle finger is the only obscene gesture what about first ballot a hall of famer uh nanny nanny booboo yeah what about a nanny nanny boo-boo put like the the moose antlers they get that it's same family of garbage uh there's only one first ballot obscene gesture hall of famer right first ballot grabbing the package is not first ballot no grabbing the package

first ballot no Joe Maurer.

Who are you giving obscene gesture first ballot status other than the middle finger? What I grew up calling the bird. That's it.
That's it. So it's not even a Hall of Fame.

It's not really actually an entire museum. It's basically just one exhibit.
It's Bud Adams' middle finger, no kickstand. That's the only thing in that Hall of Fame.
It's called the Bird Hall of Fame.

Okay, the bird is the word.

This is very myopic. You guys have clearly never seen Liam Gallagher enter or exit a room.

I want to segue again here to an accusation against Zaszlo. I read Awful Announcing did a list of the best and worst local NFL announcers.

But you laugh. Here's the accusation.
You be careful because the accusation's headed your way.

I believe.

that

Zaszlo voted on this and was quoted in this article disparaging the Miami Dolphins local broadcasting team, making them rank last among all NFL broadcasts. How could I have made them rank last?

I think that I saw some quotes in there that read like things I've heard you say.

Yeah.

Okay, so they're ranked last. Yes, they were ranked 32nd on Awful Announcing's local broadcasts for the NFL.

And you're telling me whoever, a broadcaster was ranked dead last, I would be the only one who would say certain things.

Not you're the only one, but they had 93 votes, 16 Ds as a grade, 17 Fs, and I believe you were one of the F's, and I believe you were quoted in the article. Tell me I'm wrong.

I'm going to tell you, I will, I'm not copying to that at all. I'm not going to confirm or deny.
Awkward denial. I mean, I just, I don't know.
There's no proof.

It's good. There's no proof of that.

It sounded a lot like that. What sounded like me? Which part sounded like me? It sounded like you're really close to going happen to know on this.
What did it say? What did it say?

What was the quote? What'd it say? Yeah, what'd it say? What'd it say? I want to know the quote. All right.

Probably damning.

If you put a vote in front of me right now, vote on the Dolphins broadcast, A, B, C, D, or F, I'm obviously giving it an F. I mean, yeah, obviously.
And clearly I was not the only one.

It was ranked last. A lot of people gave it F.
So you are admitting you gave it an F. Oh, no, I'm not admitting to anything.

I'm saying if you asked me right now, no, if you asked me right now, what would my vote be? Yeah, I'd give enough. Yeah.
But you didn't then, but you would know.

I want you guys to keep an eye on him and see how incriminating this is.

Just look at his face because I've got to read from this article and you guys just look at him and tell me whether or not it gives you a glimpse of incrimination here, okay?

Cephalo is, quote, the worst in the business for the last 20 years.

He's been doing play-by-play for years and never gets any better.

Cephalo is a horrible play-by-play guy, makes way too many mistakes. I feel bad for Joe Rose.
He's good.

It's good. Big dog.

What do you guys think? Anything? Did you guys see anything there that would suggest strong poker face or anything? That Zazzlo has.

You read that. I'm going to read you one up and see.
I feel like I have heard Zaz say this on this show. Okay.
He's been doing play-by-play for years and never gets any better.

He has a horrible play-by-play guy, makes mistakes, and you don't know what he's going to say.

But the rest of the broadcast is useless, zero idea what's going on, not a talk show, but they sound like it.

Didn't even move a muscle in this face for the last two minutes. That's a poker face right there.
Destroy all you poker.

There were also remarks going after their perceived homerism, including their play-by-play is abysmal and boring.

The analysis is 100% homerism, which is fine, except they're not very good at it, which is what they're hired to do, excite and inform the fanbase. Listen,

are all of those things the way that I feel? Yes, they are. wow what do you got against cephalo it sounds personal no it's not personal he's a terrible broadcaster ha ha funny

who said that

i just i just i just like how you think that i had control of like the entire like i put them last it's mic on mic crime you know you're both leaning into a microphone for a living you're supposed to be publicly um

not brutal really well yeah i didn't know that no it wasn't publicly brutal that was private off the record.

Well, on the record, but anonymously. Right.

Coward.

I admit to nothing. But you deny nothing as well.
I will not confirm or deny.

Zaj, wasn't there a play that Jimmy had the call on that something weird happened in the game and you said you couldn't understand what was going on that there was a pick, but there was a fumble

every play.

Oh, every play. The Minka Fitzpatrick two-point conversion.
I was in the car listening to that, and I had no idea.

I had no idea what happened, what was going on.

I was just generally confused. I'm just staring at my radio and I'm like, what are the

so last week, a few days ago was like seven years, maybe it was for the miracle in Miami, the

Gronkowski. Gronkowski.
Yeah, yeah. Gwelkowski doesn't have the angle, you know? And Kenyon Drake scores the touchdown.

And so on one of these videos on Twitter, like they attach the Dolphins' radio call to it. And it's an incredibly exciting play.
I mean, it was a mirror. It's called Miracle in Miami, all right?

Cephalo didn't tell you what was going on until Kenyon Drake was at the 10-yard line.