The Hockey Show: The Oilers Make The Move

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And February 15th, 2026, at 11:59 p.m. Eastern.
We have a trade. This is the hockey show.

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Rose and Ethan on the Yoda studio. My name is Roy Bellamy.
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Breaking news from this morning.

Elliott Freeman reported initially that the Edmonton Oilers had acquired Tristan Jarry from the Pittsburgh Penguins.

It was Kevin Weeks that reported that Stuart Skinner, Brett Kulak, and a 2029 second-round pick will be going to Pittsburgh

for

Tristan Jari and Samuel Poulan.

And Pierre LeBron also reported that the Oilers made a trade with the Nashville Predators. They will get

Spencer Stasney for a 2027 third-round pick. Frank Selaveri thinks that Stasney is going to be the long-term replacement for Brett Kulak.
Now, Jari has played three years longer than

Stuart Skinner, but Stuart Skinner has more playoff experience.

A little bit. Can we say that essentially the same goaltender in this situation? Is this an upgrade for Edmonton? They sure think so based off the price they paid to bring him over.
Yeah.

They are definitely, whatever their goaltending department, whoever makes their decisions over there, they clearly targeted Jari as somebody that they think can come in, play within their systems, and find some success.

Whether that happens is TBD. What's going on in the shipping container? Rose.
Roses happening.

Sorry.

I just found my mouse after like three months. Hey!

Yay!

All right, very good, very good. All right, back to the show.
No, I'm like, I'm talking about goaltenders, and I see on your face that your attention is far from what I'm talking about.

I mean, when your arms are flapping like,

and I can hear you on Ethan's mic, I tend to, you know, pay attention to what's going on. I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry. I didn't know what I was doing.
That's my bad for having my mic open. Yeah, yes.

Why is your mic open? You know why? Because you're about to talk. Yeah, I'm getting ready to talk.
Exactly. I want to hear what Dorky has to say first, and then I'll give my thoughts.
David,

as we were saying,

you believe that this is a good deal for Edmonton, and he's a better goaltender than Stuart Skinner, who is now a Pittsburgh Penguin.

I mean, statistically, he's having a far better season than Stuart Skinner is having. I think looking it up here, Tristan Jari, 9.8.
Still here rows, by the way.

But as you were saying, David.

You keep setting me up to talk about goaltending, and then you keep cutting me off when I'm talking about goaltending. Because you're a goaltender.
You enjoy talking about goaltending.

But I asked you, saves above expected for Tristan Jari.

9.8 this season, which is in, I guess, the top half of starting goaltenders.

It's not bad. It's certainly better than Stuart Stinner, who, if I keep scrolling down, actually, Skinner's 6.9, a nice, decent

saved above expected. I'm going to have to see him in Edmonton's systems.
I'm going to have to see how the Oilers play in front of him. This kind of move can be offered.
It's not a lateral move.

It doesn't seem like that. We've got to see how the team responds.
Like, this is the kind of thing that can invigorate a locker room.

So there's a lot of variables that I'm curious to see how they come into play.

But God, they gave up a lot for this guy. Yeah.

If Edmonton was going to upgrade their goaltending situation, I figured they would have moved Skinner into the two spot and, you know, acquired somebody to be the one there.

I don't think you're getting any better by acquiring Tristan Jari and continuing with a Jari-Pickard pairing. Like, we forget how important backup goaltenders can be in the NHL so often.

And I just kind of think they just did the same exact thing. And there's a couple tweets I want to,

I want to go to one in a second that we have in video, but there's a couple tweets I want to read out that kind of describe how I'm feeling about the trade.

Our buddy Pete Blackburn from What Chaos said, I genuinely cannot believe we waited two years for the Oilers to make a goaltending move, and this is what they came up with.

It's it that's how it feels. Like, we expected the Oilers to kind of make a splash when it came to goaltending, and they went out and got Trishin Jari, whose career numbers are really solid.

But you also have to have some context here about being behind a good Pittsburgh defense and then now moving to an Edmonton defense. Roy, you have something so

backup goaltender now is, well, has been and still will be Calvin Pickard. Yeah.
How do we feel about that?

Negative 1.5 goals saved above expected, slightly better than Sergey Bobrovsky's negative two.

Yeah. It's been a rough year for, you know, as a Panther fan, we can't say much about bad goaltending right now.
It hasn't been pretty for the Panthers. Defensively, they have some issues as well.

They have given up Spencer Knight.

Well, I mean, Seth Jones got us to Stanley Cup, so it's like, it's hard to say that. But yes, the Panthers are lacking right now.

We'll get to that later in the Panther Den. But another thing I wanted to read off here is Dom

Lashizen from The Athletic, who has been on our show before, trading a second-round pick, Brett Kulak, and Stuart Skinner for Stuart Skinner East is really funny. The Oilers gave up a lot here.

It's a second-round pick in a few years. I think it's like a 2029 second-round pick or something.
So that's not that valuable, but giving up Skinner.

and riding with Pickard and Jari as the pairing and Brett Kulak, who has been a a solid player for them, especially come playoff time, feels like a hefty price to pay for basically a lateral move.

And we'll see what it looks like for Edmonton going forward. We're also not talking about what this does on the other side of the trade.

I'm just thinking about, okay, well, you know, Edmonton, the Panthers are in a playoff battle right now. Pittsburgh is holding the second wildcard spot.

They just basically traded their starting goaltender for Stuart Stinner. That's a hot start at the beginning of the season.

Arthur Shelovs, who I'm very high on, great young goaltender, not having the best season, 4-4-5, 2.9 goals against 900 even safe percentage.

And then you're going with Calvin, or with Stuart Stinner, excuse me. So is Pittsburgh, like, what are they, are they kind of packing it in right now?

To me, this kind of signals we're not, we don't even believe in what we're doing here. Crossbay to the Panthers.
Nobody really believes. I don't think a lot of.
What are you doing? They're doing it.

They're set.

They're basically saying that, yes, I agree with you, David. Like, this sends a message to me that

go play with Nate

or Montreal.

But there's a Nova Scotia boy in Florida.

You think that just because Brad Marchand is playing for the Florida Panthers, that Sidney Crosby is going to force Pittsburgh's hand and train them down here?

You mean like Brad Martin did last season? That is exactly why I just said that.

I think we're getting distracted from the point here, which is that

I'm just pointing that out.

Is all we're talking about?

We need to not talk about the Crosby thing. What we need to talk about is ruffled.
I get you're mad about the idea of Crosby playing in a Panther uniform, which is something that is like everybody.

I think, but again, the point here is that with this goalie trade, like Pittsburgh is basically sending a signal to everybody that, hey, we don't really believe in what's going on here,

or we don't believe in Jari's ability to get us where we want to go because we believe in what's going on here.

We think Skinner is a better option, which to me makes this trade look even worse for Edmonton because they're

basically saying, hey, we believe in Jari, but even though Pittsburgh really doesn't so weird trade all around like I don't like this move for the Oilers I think it's a very lateral move and they paid a high price for it could there be another could Pittsburgh have another move in mind then this may not be their end game if they because like I'm I see what Ethan's saying and like I get that like but if I'm Pittsburgh and I'm having a better than I expected season and they're playing very well with the roster they have maybe they have another move in mind maybe Skinner isn't the endgame maybe they're gonna try to bring in another goaltender from somewhere else they have the wherewithal uh that Kyle Dubas that maybe Edmondson and Stan Bowman didn't have.

Okay, so that would make Skinner their backup if they go after another goaltender?

No, maybe they're going to flip Skinner. Who knows? Flip Skinner.
Okay. Oh, there you go.

And you got to trade Stasney from Nashville for a 2027 third-round pick and the belief that Stasney is the replacement for Brett Kulak. Do you believe that?

Could be. Could be.

Look, Nashville, it's tough to gauge, guys, right? Like, they've been pretty awful for a couple of years now, defensively, particularly.

Certainly, number the

analytics that I'm looking at that I can't think of the advanced metrics. Thank you, Brain, for the advanced metrics.
Yes, just my brain wouldn't get those words to my mouth.

Certainly indicate that there's a higher ceiling there than what we've seen in Nashville. And we know what to expect from Brett Kulak.
So, if they're looking for a replacement, potentially, yeah.

Just on the numbers to back up, David, here, according to hockey stat cards, Kulak has a negative 1.1 defensive rating, a negative 5.4 offensive rating, so a negative 6.5 rating.

Spencer Stasney has a negative 0.6 offensive rating, a plus 1.4 defensive rating. So that is a significant upgrade there based on the underlying metrics.
All right.

Carter Hart is currently playing for the Vegas Golden Knights. As you know, he is one of the five players accorded in the Hockey Canada sexual assault trial.
He's also one of two.

of those five players that have gained a kick of the tires by the AHL. And I say one of two because Dylan Dube is getting a professional tryout for the St.

Louis Blues AHL affiliate in the Springfield Thunderbirds. So that's neither here

or there. But back to heart.
Last night, Golden Knights went to Philadelphia. The Golden Knights did not start Carter Hart.

In fact, the Golden Knights did not hold any media availability for Carter Hart.

Nope.

Roy, you should reference that Carter Hart. Yes, Philadelphia was Carter Hart's former team.
Yes,

yes, yes. As I was about to say, you're absolutely right.
Former team,

the Philadelphia Flyers.

Second round pick in 2016.

Yeah. So get this, though.

Not only did they not make him available to the media, not only did they not start him, but because of the fan reaction in Philadelphia being so negative, that they had extra security around the Vegas bench where Hart was sitting, just in case, you know, the fans died.

I mean, you know, we've seen what can happen in Philly. We've seen, you know, Tai Dome, penalty box, just saying, it's happened before.

A little different situation. Now, obviously, the anger toward Hart would be obviously different than what Tai Dome was facing that night, but still, just a very odd situation.

And I think we can all agree, cowards?

Yeah, my main issue is not making them available to the media. I mean, face the music.

When the Stall Brothers did what they did during Pride night, which was not wear Pride jerseys, in fact, not even a 10 pregame skate because they didn't want to wear the Pride jerseys.

At least the Panthers put them out there on the firing line and the media asked the questions. They didn't even, the going to nights didn't even do that for Carter Hart.
No.

He's gone on a podcast.

That's, you know, where he can control what questions are asked.

This whole thing from Vegas has been absolutely ridiculous. All right.
Anytime you have to release a statement, anytime you sign a player, you probably shouldn't sign that player.

Then they throw Mark Lazarus out of their practice facility, revoke his credential.

A very credible and good reporter for the athletic because he was willing to ask the questions and make them face the music.

And then this whole saga here, whether they don't even play him against Philly, they go with the rotation excuse, and then they don't even put him in front of the media.

Look, we all know how Vegas operates, okay? Clearly, they don't care about these accusations.

The only thing they care about is they feel like Carter Hart can contribute to winning, and they continue to make cowardly moves to protect a guy that doesn't deserve to be protected.

It's ridiculous behavior from the Vegas Golden Knights, and we should hold our organizations and this league to a higher standard to make them more accountable for these kinds of actions.

It's terrible, and they need to do a better job. I mean,

you would think that would happen. You would think that would happen.
No, you wouldn't, Roy, because Vegas has a track record of doing this same thing over and over and over again.

In the real world, you would think that would happen. Of course.
Not in this league. We're seeing far too many people in this league getting second, third, fourth, and fifth chances in this league.

It's very infuriating. And

whatever, man. Like, all right, we're going to move off this subject right now because we have punishments to pay.
And Rose has some explanations about

what we have to do.

So, yeah, we've been playing this game where David and I suck.

So,

the three of us lost, and we haven't paid our due. So, we're going to do it right now.
And we're gonna stick our hands on water ice, and we're gonna make Ethan do it also. Why?

I'm not even a participant in the game,

and I have to be in the punishment

because then he says we are crybabies, so he is also gonna do it.

You guys haven't even done it yet. Let me see how you guys behave, and then I'll see if you guys are crybabies.

There's video. Oh, okay, fair, fair, fair.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, fair. Why have you not seen that, Mr.
Producer? I've seen it. All right.
You know what time it is, boys? Yes, we just talked about it.

Okay, it's racing time. Come on.
Here we go.

All right.

We're going to put all hands in this water.

Oh, wow. I didn't even put it in now.
Put it now. Now.
Now.

Now.

For the entire song.

The entire song. Come on.
Come on.

Okay, here we go. Go.
Here we go. Go.
Go, both. Both hands.
Put your hands.

Okay, hold on. Let me take my ring off.
Oh, come on. I don't want my ring off.
I want my hands.

Frostbite.

Okay, that's cold. I don't care.
That's really cold. Hold on.
I'm telling you. Shit.

This sucks.

I know, bro.

We're still going. Alright, does anybody have anything to say about hockey currently? No!

Oh,

the desk is getting lower. The Panthers giving up 20 shots to the avalanche in the first period was a really bad idea.

Yeah, that's not good.

Give up a goal in the first period. Okay, no, no, no, no.

I give up. I give up.

You give up?

How long is it gone? I don't know.

Oh, my God. Alright,

I don't think it's been a minute. I'm yelling at the business.
Take your hands out, god damn it.

Look at this. Oh, my computer.
Let's go. So, that was your first time with you.
Oh, my God. My hands are terrible.

I am so glad that everybody got to.

Hey,

get off of there. Why? Has it been a minute? Yeah, it has.
It's been more than a minute. It's been more than a minute? Yeah.
Are we sure it's been a while? Oh my god, my hands are so cold.

What are you trying to do to prove something? Yes, I'm trying to prove a point that I'm a man.

I'm a man. Everybody,

you're 40. I'm a man.

I'm 40. All right, my hands are out now.
All right.

That was terrible.

Okay.

All right. I'm dry my hands off because I can't touch a light floor.

All right. It is time for puck luck.
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David, you can go ahead and try to win people money even though we haven't yet.

Thanks for that, Roy. Sorry.

Yes, we are, this is going to be the week for Puck Luck. I have a good, good feeling that we're going to hit it this week.

This week, there's only two games tonight, though, so we had to get a little selective. First off, we're going to do Chicago, the Blackhawks.
Roy's, you love the Blackhawks.

Yeah, I love the Blackhawks. They're in St.
Louis. Second favorite team.
They're in St. Louis tonight.
We're going to take Tyler Bertuzzi to go over his shots of one and a half.

He's hit that in five of his last six, in eight of his last 10, in 13 of his last 16. He also had four shots on five attempts when Chicago played in St.
Louis earlier this season.

And then we're going to take the Chicago money line from that game.

The Blackhawks haven't been playing that well lately, but they are fresh off an impressive 3-0 win over the Rangers earlier this week. And St.

Louis is playing on the second end of a back-to-back, playing for the third time in four nights. The Blues have also lost each of their last two games by a combined score of 12-2.

And as I mentioned before, they lost earlier this season at home to Chicago 8-3. Final leg of the parley.
You keeping up with me, Roy? Yeah. Beautiful.

Brandon Martin Tour, our old Panthers friend, has been absolutely ripping puck lately. So we're going to take him over his two and a half shots on goal prop.
He's hit that in five of his past six.

Total odds on this parlay this week is plus 504. So go make yourselves some money.
I'll be riding with you. Let's do it, Roy.
I cannot feel my hands. It is time.
Look at your tough guy.

For the hockey. I'm sorry.
Stat of the week. See, now when you point at me,

you made me think like you flipped the thing.

The hockey. Shadows are leaking.
Hey, guys.

We were just talking to you.

That's my thing. Okay.

Not as analytical this week, boys. This one's pretty simple.
I heard this one on What Chaos yesterday, and I'm updating it after last night's game.

Nathan McKinnon has been involved in 44 five-on-five goals this season. The Seattle Kraken.

Have 42 five-on-five goals this season. Wow.

That guy's pretty good. Yeah.
That guy's pretty good. And that team is pretty good.
Send the heart ballot now.

Yeah. I don't think there's any competition.
It's him and McCarr right now. Like, it's

the two teammates battling it out. He has been unbelievable this year.
That team has been unbelievable this year. And that train kept on rolling last night in Denver.
They are, they feel unstoppable.

We'll see how it

goes come playoff time. But

that team is

pretty exceptional right now. All right.
It is time for Rosa and Un Minuto. Rosie, go ahead.

Come on, kids. Let's get this started.
Yo, Ijo, searches a military home with Ross establishes Toronto, all intensive, excuse me.

Let's see what I'm talking about, insurance, claramente. This is people in Toronto, but

I'm not sure.

Dennis Hilbert, yes, first of all, in NHL.

NHL! Enla Victoria 2 control tampa bay, y Toronto de Joe in Sera Cuchera cuchara via Brain Point! Not even for the minute

looks like Jose leaves,

and I'm 10 over time. Well, I'm going to call Marcador Al Granador, and all the volume that is too free.
That's here, Aston Matthews, if you have

supermatsudi with Maximo de Franquisia, if Toronto, if you're the Victoria, and two.

Mucho talent much, and my suspension is a good hockey rose.

All right, it's time

Cole fields scoring the regulations and this shootout. And at this point, it's clearly personal.
Toronto tied, but once again, came up short. Then came a calm and a miracle net.

Dennis Hilbert earned his first NHL shot out. A stopping 249 shots and 2-0 win with Tampa Bay.
Yes.

Toronto shot out, push her out, and right in point. Nobody saw that coming.

And

let's keep it rolling.

But the week ended with a Luke's drama against the San Jose. The Leagues were up 2-0 and still lost 3-2 overtime.
Runnerberg scored a winner, and Toronto went back to doing what it does best. Suffer.

Yeah. That said, Astamatha keeps making history.
He's now seven goals away from passing Matt Furon at the franchise all-time leading scorer.

So Toronto finished with a week with one win, two two loses, a ton of talents, a ton of noises, and the same suspense as always. This was one minute of factor with Rose.

Your weekly recap of passion, a little bit of chaos. All right, it's time for wins and fails of the week.
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What's your win? My win of the week, it's very visual. It's beautiful.

Earlier this week, the other night, the Rangers were in Chicago

for a matchup of original six franchises. That's right.
There's no audio, Rose. That's right, Rose.
Thank you for that box. Let's just be rolling.

There is no audio on my win of the week because all you got to do is use your eyes. Are you hand still code?

Why is it every time I start talking about stuff? I've been sick. I'm so sorry.
I've been sick.

Oh, no, babe. All right.
Can we get the picture up, please, that I've been talking about?

Look at that. Wow.
They're both wearing dark colored jerseys, jerseys, road jerseys, home jerseys, whatever time frame. Red and blue.
Red and blue.

We've seen it a couple of times this year where each team has worn their color scheme jersey. The NHL has come out and said they're okay with it.
Hopefully, we see more of it. I think it's amazing.

I love it. It's beautiful on the eyes.
More. They're encouraging this, apparently, the NHL.

I read yesterday that they're encouraging more color-on-color matchups, including the stadium series, which we'll talk about later.

We can agree on that. Yes, we can agree on that.
Dark versus dark.

Excellent. All right.
My win of the week belongs to people with punchable faces. The Athletic did their player survey.
They do it every year.

And one of the questions was: who has the most punchable face? Now take a look at this.

One is Nick Cousins. We all know that.
Number two is Brad Marshand. And number three is Matthew Kachuck.
All right. So we have one former Panther.
We have two current Panthers.

Another Panther, Aaron Eggblad, received votes. And on that list as well is Sam Bennett.
So four of the top seven are Panthers related. Yes.

That is the style of play that has gotten the Panthers three straight conference championships and two straight Stanley Cups.

Yeah, I think Nick Cousins has like been on the top of this list a couple of times. I don't think this is the first time.
I think it happened when he was down with the Panthers, too.

No, no, you're right. And if you are the former Arizona Coyotes, you know he has a punchable face.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Ethan. Oh, I guess I'm next.
Okay. My

wife. What are you usually Rosie? Hill,

me, and you, and then Rosie. Got it.
All right, we got to go quick. The myth of the week is this unreal assist from this Mighty Might.

Look at this falling down the Ovechkin to his buddy who, I mean, great finish here, man. I mean, this is going like upper 90 top shelf where Mrs.
Moeller keeps the peanut butter. I mean, that is

an awesome play. Watched him get taken down.
No call. Right there.
I love the Mighty Mites game at the Panthers, like during the intermission when the little kids run around bigger. It's hilarious.

They get the gold horn.

That's awesome. If you're a mite and you're playing in a game in an ancient arena and they play that, they blast that gold horn for you when you score.
Oh, I can't imagine. Rosie, what's your win?

My win of the week goes.

This is a spunner. So if you haven't watched Stranger Things, just take it off.
My win of the week goes. What are you doing? Episode four of Stranger Things, The Sorcerer.
Yeah, Will. My God, that's

real.

We were not expecting. Well, I was expecting it, but we were not expecting it that soon.
Did not see that happening. That was real.
You can go to your fails now. Sure.
Dave, what's your fail?

Other than how excitedly I was texting Rose when I watched that episode the other day. Ridiculous.
I don't understand what you mean.

My fail of the week earlier this week, on the same night, there were two major defensive fails that occurred in two different games in literally the final second of each that cost that team a point.

And in one case, two points. In Pittsburgh, Eric Carlson used his glove to knock in a shot from behind the net by Bennett Seneca with a tenth of a second on the clock.
Roy 0.1. Buzza beater.

0.1, dude. And then Anaheim went on to win that game in a shootout.
Wow. Wow.
Wow. Wow.
I can't believe his own defenseman did it. Yuck.
A couple hours later. I hate that man.
I hate it.

A couple hours later in Edmonton, Connor McDavids scored with exactly one second left to tie Buffalo with three.

A game that the Sabers led three to nothing after two periods. I mean, you come to expect that with Buffalo, my third favorite team.
I must have been betting on them.

Yeah.

You must have been. I don't even want to talk about last night.
You haven't learned your lesson yet. You don't bet the Sabres and you don't bet the Sharks.
No,

I don't learn anything. Anyway, so my Fail of the Week actually ties into Rose's fail of the week.
Yeah.

My fail of the week ties there because

one second left and McDavid scores. And then they still went home with a loss.
They did not cash in. So I think the Edmonton lawyers are my fail this week.
Okay, well, there you go.

My fail of the week goes to Skateblades because we have been seeing this often. One Fogel, who plays for the Kings currently, already had a broken stick, right? He had a broken stick.

Now he has no stick and he comes up to try to block a shot and he pulls away and ends up hitting a skate and the skateblade comes off.

So now he is forced because you can't skate on one blade to crawl to the bench. What a disaster.
I love this image of the play just going on as he's just crawling.

Why have we not seen this practice, though? Like this happens all the time. As you said,

but they should be

getting off the ice fast when you lose a skateboard. Like, this should be a drill because it happens so often.
Like, right? Am I wrong? Like, they should be practicing.

They're used to skating in all their gear. Are they used to crawling in all their gear? I don't think so.
So, you're going to have to push on with one knee on the other side.

Or get another guy to grab the bad blade and just push you off like a lawnmower. But then you have, then it's just.
Or give him a shove towards the bench.

There's got to be better ways than having to crawl across the ice like an idiot. Going across the ice on that one.
That must have been a disaster. He couldn't have felt very cool.
Scared.

Ethan, what's your fail? My fail comes from that Edmonton Buffalo game we mentioned earlier. Evan Bouchard.

He's always there for us when we need him. Look at this turnover.
Tate Shompson just steals the puck right off of his stick, finishes right out in front.

I mean, this is the kind of defense that's going to be playing in front of Chersinjari.

So good luck, Edmonton. Have fun with that.
Good luck, Tersinjari.

I'm sure it'll be the same as playing behind Eric Carlson and Chris LaTang and Sidney Crosby and Evgeny Malkin.

I'm sure that playing behind Evan Evan Bouchard and Darnell Nurse will be the same as that. Have fun with that.
Good luck, Edmonton. That's the kind of like the defense on the island.

As you remember, Tony DiAngelo with that

just a disastrous turnover. That was my fail last week.
Yeah. That was a straight-up pepperoni pizza, man.

Yeah, with extra cheese. Well done.
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So, yeah, most likely we are going to end up being angry and yelling at each other at this. Keep the frozen water away from me.
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Jonah McPherson of the Miami Herald joins us here today. We will talk about Panthers in a little bit, but you have some scenarios for us that most likely will have us yelling at either you or Ethan.

Yeah, probably. You guys always yell at me.
Yeah. And again, these are all the usual like press box banters.

David and I basically, every time we're in the press box, just random conversations that whether they mean you yelling at me for not cheering in the press box. Well, yeah, that too.
Yeah.

I mean, when money's on the line, you know. They want to stand the cop! No, that was the ox press box.

I was not there. Totally acceptable.
Totally acceptable. I have no, I was not physically there for that one, so I will just abstain from that company.
By the way,

I've known Jordan the longest of any person in this. Why are you bringing them up? Well, that's only because Jeremy Tashay isn't here.
That's only because Jeremy Tashay is here. No, forget me, though.

Gators stick together, man. That's fine.
Stop. Shut up.
All right. Go ahead.
Jeez. Go ahead.
All right. Roy territorial.
My friend. Yeah.

all right so the first one which david i again i have this argument with david or conversation david almost every time when a puck hits the post puck hits and that's something but it's not counted as a shot on goal despite it hits the goal yeah but it's not a shot on goal yeah it's literally a shot on goal it's ridiculous it's the most ridiculous thing it's literally a shot on goal Somebody should get credit for that.

Well, okay. Now, there's, I know why you're complaining about it.
It's the same thing that I'm going to complain about it because this is money.

These goal, I mean, if you are betting on shots for a player prop, obviously, if you hit the post and then all of a sudden you come up one shot short of getting paid.

I have a theory.

I have a theory.

The reason this is not a shot on goal is because the stat keepers are lazy and they don't want to have to also keep a stat for unsaved shots because it shouldn't count as a save because the goalie didn't make the save, it hit the post.

But they don't want to keep the stat unsaved shots, so they just leave it as shots on goal. Doesn't the goalie has to actually make a save?

Well, your theory is kind of busted if you think about advanced metrics with Coursey and Fenwick. So you're betting shot attempts, and of course, the shots are under blocked.
True, that theory is.

That could be a third one, though. Like, they could start keeping track of shots off post.
So, what are you going to name it? Yeah, well, I mean, shots off post. Shots off post.

NAJL.com, they do sort of have it when they break down missed shots. They do miss wide, miss high,

miss-net,

or miss-post. But this isn't a miss.
miss exactly yeah well it's classified as a miss now because it's not a shot on goal by their by the but it's not a miss yeah i know yes see

as a goaltender you should love this dave because it

i mean it keeps less track of how many shots have gotten by you because i love my goal posts they're my friends it's not going to affect the

percentage it's not going to affect the goals against average unless you go a bar down or something but yeah i mean come on man well and but you just brought up an interesting point it's not just puts off post it's shots off post It's shots off post and in, shots off post and out, shots off posts that create rebound opportunities.

Like, we're creating a whole nother thing of analytics here. A shot that goes off the bar and in counts as a shot on goal.
So why should a shot...

Because it's a goal. Right.

But

if it's one inch this way, it doesn't mean that it should count as a shot on goal versus being one inch that way. Wow, that is rich to it.
It's a semantic discussion.

So who gets credit off a deflection?

We are in the weeds, boys. This is inside.
Inside hockey, ladies. This is inside hockey.
All right, you have another scenario.

I have a couple other, but again, I don't think anything's going to top that one. I felt like we hit the gate as hard as we could.

Looking at your list, I see some piss and vinegar that could be coming. Yeah, a couple other ones.
Roy and I have discussed this one.

When a player gets called for embellishment, why does the original call, the original penalty still stand? Yeah,

that is true.

It should not be automatic. If it's a tripping call and the referee is looking...

straight at the trip. Now, if it's an actual trip, I can understand them.
I can understand the referee calling a a trip. But if it's not a trip and just a dive, that should not happen.

But if it's an actual trip, what's the embellishment?

The embellishment is the actual

stop.

I have long been on the theory of you can't have embellishment if you actually have a penalty. Yes.

But I was at the Preds game recently and E-Rod hooked a guy like definitively, but he really sold it. I can't remember which player it was, really sold it.

And I'm like, okay, now I see how you can have a penalty and embellishment on the same play.

Definitely a sliding scale, but I've seen plays where like a guy just it's like, you know, like soccer, where like nothing happens, but a guy is on the ice like he just got shot.

Yeah, or yeah, flopping, whether it's soccer or basketball or yeah, no, for sure. The flopping exists.
It does not have to be a penalty. I cannot remember ever seeing embellishment called by itself.

Yes. I cannot recall that happening once.

It must have happened during a Panthers. It probably happened.

And we're probably just trying to burn it out of our memories, but

you know what penalty you don't see that on? You don't see it on roughing.

see somebody get punched in the face with a glove rock

when you get punched in the face you get punched in the face or it didn't get punched in the face but the person the player ends up yanking the headband yeah like didn't they make a movie about that with nicholas cage

like a prize fight snake eyes snake eyes anybody anybody yes gary sineese yes thank you yes yes fellow old curmudgeon it was like a rain it was a rain there was rain outside or like a hurricane uh some kind of rainstorm there was a prize fight the the guy took a dive replay showed he took a dive.

And then somebody got shot in the rain. It was a crazy movie.
And Gary Sinise, of course, was the bad guy. Spoiler alert.
Oh, thanks a lot.

Thanks for that.

No, it's just, you know, typical good 90s movie. Nicholas Tage.
Phobe. Should have been a Superman.

Do you have a notice in her?

The other two are sort of revolving, both just sticking with the penalty part.

A team that commits a penalty, the four who are still on the ice after the penalty should take that first shift on the PK. Like icing.
Exactly. I like it.

So if, like, player, like, like, Matthew Kachuk, for example, somebody you'd never see on the PK, if he's out there for a penalty, he starts the penalty killer. You have the fourth line out there.

It's up to the team to clear this.

Fourth line, third pair, Uvis Blinskis takes a penalty. Is your fourth line in P-Tree

or that first shift?

You have to hope you clear that puck right away and get to the bench. That would be a disaster, man.
No, but

this could make things more interesting.

I like it. And it will force teams to have everybody practicing PK, not just

having your rotation of five to six forwards and your top four defenders. We are changing hockey practices right here, right now.

We're crawling drills,

okay?

Crawling drills when you don't have a skateboard. How not to embellish.

And now everybody's in on the PK. Yes, everybody's in like that.
Yeah, practice is definitely going to be different. How you construct lines is going to be different.

Yeah. Yeah.
This reminds me of something we were talking about earlier. Like, why have pregame warm-ups not changed in 100 years?

That is true.

In fact, people in the media rely on these

on pre-game skills. Well, because we know what's coming.

But like, we know when it's eight minutes and 20-some seconds left. Exactly.
Just start

looking for the line rushes. Yeah, hockey is just like baseball.
But why can't these guys, like, what if somebody wants to work on accuracy in the corner? What if somebody wants to work on tipping?

What if somebody wants to work on face-offs? Like, these guys should be able to choose what they want to warm up before the game. Why aren't there multiple, like, why isn't it more loosey-goosey?

Like, you see the players out there talking to their families, having fun with kids, throwing pucks. So clearly, it's not a super serious situation.

Why have we not changed warm-ups in a billion years?

And you know what? If I'm disparaging to my goaltenders, because the point is to warm us up, I'm sorry. But I'm bored.
You're bored as the goaltenders union. You're bored.

But again, the goalies are only in the net for a few minutes of that warm-up period. So keep those few minutes the same and then go wild.
Again, you have 18 minutes. You have 18 minutes.

You don't have to unlock that 18 minutes. You're the exact same thing every single time, right? I agree with that.

Yeah, you can't forget at the end of pregame skate, you got to have that one guy guy that stays out there and shoot all the way down the ice. I love watching A.J.
Dreer do his thing, though. Hey, man,

the game depends. If it's win or loss, it all depends on AJ Drear.
Eventually, he's going to have that chance to have a cross-ice empty nut shot. Yes.
He needs to be ready for it.

Yes, that's practice right there.

I like the idea of Paul Maurice out there dropping pucks for face-offs for guys because it's not like the refs, unless the refs take warm-ups too, and they're out there just dropping

the players that do it for themselves.

Or even better, Carter Berhage dropping a puck for Rhino,

Whoever the backup goaltender is

dropping the pucks for face-offs. In full pad.

Daniil Tarasov or a Sergey Bavrovsky right in the middle of Anton Lundell and Etu Lewis Ryan going for face-offs. Boy, we are in the wee shit.
No, stop that.

Stop that.

We are innovating hockey right now is what we're doing. All right.
Yeah, you know, that just makes me think of Paul Maurice at practice with the puck line. Oh, God.
Yeah, darn drills.

Yeah, those first days of training camp. Yeah.

Explain that. Go ahead.

Yeah, the first days of training camp when Paul Maurice just wants to absolutely just tear them apart.

He lines 10 pucks up at center ice. And for each puck, the players have to do a board battle, do a lap, repeat it the other way.
So player A doing the board battle with player B, do a lap.

Player B with player A, do a lap. He throws one puck away.
You repeat until there are no pucks left. Day one, there are 10 pucks.

It's a half hour to 45 minutes the first day, and it goes back about five minutes or so each day up until their first preseason game.

The players absolutely hate it, but at the end of the day, they realize how beneficial it is. I mean, look at the first cup point in game seven.

They basically replicated what they did on day one of practice to close out their first Stanley Cup victory. And the Eastern Conference.
And the Eastern Conference finally.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Had the book.

It is a Stanley Cup-winning formula.

I remember during preseason, just one second, Ethan.

I remember just watching Paul do that and thinking to myself, what the hell is he thinking out there when he's standing by himself with nobody talking to him, nobody around him, and you see the smirk on his face?

So I asked him, I'm like, are you thinking about groceries? Are you laughing at guys getting destroyed?

And he's like, honestly, I'm just looking to see who's standing out, whether it's good, bad, whatever. But I didn't buy that answer because he looks like he's having too much fun out there.

And we're probably never going to get the real answer until after everything's all said and done.

And the funniest thing is seeing the players just slide either belly first or ass down to some ice once they get to that meeting at the end of those drills. Oh, it's worse than a basket.

It takes a while for the room to open up on those first days of training camp. Jordan, I have a scenario for you

from fan to media member. Okay, I was at a game.
This reminds the Preds game we talked about earlier.

The Preds game we talked about earlier.

Give me a credential, but me.

I go to these games as fans. So a couple,

we were speaking about the Nashville game, and something happened at that Nashville game that I've been wanting to discuss on this show. Okay.

Give me a behavior report here on fans starting the wave. I know you hate the wave.
I hate it. Absolutely.
In a - nothing game in the third period.

It's the equivalent of playing Peppas before the game's lockdown for the Heat fans. Oh, no.
Which happens all the time.

Although, one wave scenario that I did see on social media that I would be fully supportive of, Colorado from

the top of the stadium all the way to the bottom, and they can replicate an avalanche. That's

I would be fully supportive. That's not a wave.
No, that is not a wave. It's a wave wave adjacent.
It's an avalanche. Yeah.
See, I'd be worried, though, that like

someone gets you into it and topple down.

Yeah.

The hands are going down and starts up. Yeah.
It starts up and they just go all, and they just go down. They just replicate from the very top all the way down to all the way to ice level.
Interesting.

I used to get really mad at Gator games, Jordan, because people would do the wave when we were on offense. And so the crowd would be going

while we're on offense.

I'd be telling everybody around me, shut the f up.

We're on offense. I just know.
Oh, look at Rose. She's pissed off now.
What are you doing? She's trying to do one bleep on YouTube. Oh,

Rose, I got to warn you, I dropped a few F-bombs during the punishment. Oh.

Oh, no. I'm glad you got it.
Rose did too.

I heard a couple of them slip out. But hold on a second.
Hold on a second. I just realized something.
Are you wearing all that shit because you knew he was coming in today?

Well, I had his jersey recently.

And then when I heard Jordan was in, I was like, this is too easy. On audio, Ethan is wearing a Gators.
Yeah, he copies.

My Hollister.

Oh, Ruby.

Have some good

Gator stuff. And I saw this the other day, and I was like, yes.
All right, enough of the Gators. Next scenario.
All right, yeah. Last one, just sticking with the PK.

I'm a big fan of the jailbreak rule. If you get a

shorthanded goal, penalty is over. But not just if it's on a PK.
If you're four on four, three on three, whatever, if you score, your teammate gets out of the box.

So if it's four on four, you score a four on four goal, your guy gets out of the box, and you get a power play for the rest of the penalty for the opponent. Yeah.

As I said before, the NHL hates change.

It's one of the

easy changes, and just similar to the other one where your first group stays on there for the opening PK shift, it's going to open things up.

You're going to be seeing more chance from the team that's shorthanded, at which point

opens up everything for the rush on the other end.

It's better for teams who have an aggressive pill.

Absolutely. They do this in the PWHL, don't they? They do this rule in the PWHL.
Yes, absolutely. I know Jeff Merrick has been championing this, championing, championing,

championing,

championing

this rule. I love it.
I think it would be a great idea. And it would force teams to go for it shorthanded and try and score goals because it gives them a reason to go for it as well.

It would be awesome. David, you have a scenario.

It's just something I'd like to see change that I think would be pretty cool. Jordan and I were talking about this on the way to the studio today.

I think teams should install mirrors in the away team penalty box underneath the glass along the boards. And they're angled in a way.

that every time that player looks into the mirror, he sees the faces of all the fans sitting behind him.

And when they look at those mirrors, they see the player's face sitting in the box and they can antagonize him and they can flip him off and they can do all these things to piss him off.

And he can't look up because every time he looks into that mirror, all these eyes around him are going to be looking at him.

I think this is an awesome idea that every hockey team should think about doing in their penalty box. So it's not enough that the fans behind

the

guy can be able to get the best of the family.

They're very good at ignoring all that now, okay? Players, that's like ingrained into their brain. They're perfectly great at ignoring what happens outside the glass.

But when you bring that into their face, it could be a little different. But what about the side of the parony box? No, you got them on both sides.

That just wraps around. I mean, you think about Vancouver in this situation with the Green Men, that they used to do.

The guys dressed up as Greenmen. Yeah, I remember them.
Back when Lou was in Vancouver and they were doing the playoffs and Stanley Cup final and all that.

But no, no, this is, I think this is a great way to create another mental edge over the visiting team.

And Jordan, you agree with this assessment?

I understand the logic. I understand the premise.
I'm non-committal now. I'm neutral now.

Okay. All right.
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jonah mcpherson continues with us we are talking about the florida panthers as we enter the panthers then all right so the panthers coming off of a losing streak finally got it to get her this week week as they won three in a row.

All right. They lost four out of five coming into this week.
All in the five. Won three in a row.
On home ice.

They finally took advantage of home ice advantage in this situation with their 11 out of 12 games. Yeah.
Finally. Finally.
All right. They needed that.

They needed that desperately, man.

And unfortunately, last night they went in and played the best team in the National Hockey League. And boy, did they look good.

And they looked like the best team in the National Hockey League.

They absolutely did. And yeah, they gave gave up a goal very, very, very, very, very early.
I mean, very early. A minute 45 seconds into the game? No, it was a minute 14.
Minute 14.

Yeah, it was like 74 seconds. Yeah, 114.
Oh, yeah, they scored at 18.45. Yeah, okay.
Yeah, a minute 14 into the first period. They tied going into the second, and then

it sucks, though, because that first goal was like the only bad one, I mean, really, that Terasov gave up. Yeah.

I mean, he played the whole game, but he was really good because Colorado is just like relentless.

But when Colorado has that speed, that aggressiveness, and Oh, yeah, it takes 42 shots on goal compared to Florida's 25 and Florida on the back half of a back-to-back going into Colorado.

Very unpaneled. The writing was sort of on the wall for this game.
Yeah. Yeah, this was like the most scheduled loss of all time, back-to-back in Colorado at altitude.

I know they went to Park City a few days earlier to kind of try and get used to the altitude. Clearly didn't help.

Colorado coming off a loss as well. This team is unreal.
Like when you give up 20 shots in the first period to a team, it's probably not a good idea. Not what you want to do.

Dave, you sent me the gift last night. What did you say about that? Gonna have a bad time.
You're gonna have a bad time if you give up 20 shots in the first period. And that's what the Panthers did.

And Colorado, they just come at you in waves. Like,

it's just so aggressive right now. They keep the puck hemmed in the zone.
You can't get out. And when you do get out, they turn it right back over and fly up the ice.

I mean, there were so many, there were two breakaway goals, like just so many defensive breakdowns, just things that are so uncharacteristic from the Panthers.

And that's been kind of the story of this season. Even in the games they've won, you know, that crazy game against, who was it, Columbus?

There were defensive breakdowns in that game that are just, you're not used to seeing from the team

goals. Out in front of the net, like too much traffic.

Here's the situation, though. There were two back-to-backs within

a week of each other. And there's another one coming up.
They have,

I believe that. That lightning game, there's a back-to-back.

It's the weekend. Carolina.

Carolina. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sorry. Carolina and St.
Louis are on a back-to-back. So the Panthers, it'll be the third back-to-back in like two weeks for the Panthers.

So that brings up the goaltender scheduling issue. There was nothing that Terasov could have done in that game.
And I don't think there's anything that Bob could have done in that game. No.
Really?

It was just defensively, it wasn't great.

As Ethan alluded to, when they're giving up that many rush opportunities, which is exactly the opposite of what this Panthers defensive systems tried to do, you know that there's a problem.

And when Colorado's doing it as frequently and as easily, really, as they were last night, that was a little bit jarring.

And I'm curious to see how they respond against the very good Dallas team who's right there with Colorado in the standing.

A couple of breakdowns, by the way, in the Utah game that led to a couple of breakdowns. Bob was brilliant in the Utah.
That save was unreal. Yeah.

You talk about Dallas, Roy. I mean...
Right now, 51 points for her. Sorry, David talked about Dallas.
51 points for Colorado, 47 for Dallas.

If you look at the rest of the league, the next best team has 40 points. That's Carolina and Washington.
So these two teams are a cut above right now, above everybody.

And the Panthers are playing them two games in a row here. These are two big games.
And then they've got to go play the Lightning, who are red hot on the road in Tampa.

And you know how those games always are. So this is a tough stretch for the Panthers right now.
If they can come away with two, three points in these next two games, that would be really big for them.

Yeah, my thing was

my thing was they need to get four out of the eight points this trip.

If they were able to get four out of eight and then come back home for basically, again, they have one game where they go back to Carolina, but they have three, four, five, six, seven of their next eight games are either home or in South Florida if you include the winter classic.

If they can get four, nine, yeah, you forgot about that, that one at Lone Depot parts the home game.

Yes, I conclude that I forgot about the Colorado game after that, but yes, but yeah, they only have one more road game after this stretch between the 17th and June and January 4th.

If they can split this road trip and then take advantage of home ice, which they didn't do their last time with an extended home stretch outside of the end, it sets them up well for what they should be doing.

Plus, they hope they can have a guy who's number 19 back sooner rather than later as well.

And they have to take advantage of this home stretch because they've had such a loaded home schedule to start the season that it's going to get road heavy in the back half.

The Panthers don't have a home Saturday game after January 31st this season. So they need to take advantage.
And the Olympic break could be big for them.

It could also be a problem for them because they are going to have a bunch of guys going over to Milan, you you know, as long as

it works out there, including Matthew Kachuk. So, look, the Panthers,

only three points back of the Penguins, who just traded their starting goaltender, five points out of third in the division.

It looks like they're going to have to fight for the wild card here, boys, but they're hanging around. And that number 19 is going to be back soon, hopefully.
It's just what they got to do.

Thinking about this now, it's a shame that the Avalanche and the Stars are in the same division. You're not going to see them in the conference final.
Really is a shame. Well, you could, though.

Well, yeah, yeah, no. Two minutes for being wrong.

What? What the hell was that? Wow. Okay, well, Colorado and Dallas of 1v2.
I don't know if Dirk is going to be able to get away from one of them.

They're not going to be able to. Yeah, I mean, there's eight points right now between Dallas and Minnesota.
That's the new system. That's why we don't like it.
That's why we want to go back to 1v8.

Yes. Yeah.
This might be the final straw that pushes them back to one for one through eight.

It's going to be Dallas and Colorado this year in particular playing again before the Western Conference finals.

And most likely, we will will not see the Kings and the Ollers in the first round for the first time.

Put one up for that.

Put one up for that. There's still time.

Jordan McPherson, thank you for joining us, sir. All right.
Thank you to Gino, and thank you for Jason for helping us out back there in the video room. It's Fuentes.
Gino.

I just said Gino. I literally said Geno.
No, it's Michael Fuentes. Oh, it's Mike.

Exactly. It's the worst Fuentes.
Oh, wow. I did not say that.
He's my best friend.

I did not say that. That was not me, Mike.
That was Ethan. You taking up with him.
Ethan Rose, thank you for making my hands cold. And David, brother, I'm sorry.

You know, way to go, tough guy.

Our last show of the year is

next week. We will have Brad Williams, and he will give us his Anaheim Ducks update.
So we'll do that. And then we will go into 2026 refreshed after covering the winter classic.
My name is Roy Balmy.

This has been the hockey show. Have a great weekend, everybody.

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