Local Hour: Chasing The First Jai (feat. George Cloney)

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Speaker 2 Look at look at all the space I have today

Speaker 2 Look at this, everybody. Sitting on the throne by myself in the big room hey everybody come see how good i look all right

Speaker 2 you guys are very fired not fired up on that side so oh this is ridiculous let me see if i got this let me see if i got this all right first of all before before we get to everything that's actually happening in that room right now let's make sure everybody knows today's a huge day All right.

Speaker 2 Today's a very, very big day. Perhaps the biggest, Saz.

Speaker 2 Really, and you may be saying, Saz, the way you talk about it, the Heat aren't playing tonight. The Panthers aren't playing tonight.

Speaker 2 How is this a big day? All right, but Mike, Cyclone. That's right.
That's it, right? This is it. This is the Magic City Fronton finale.
The final Battlecourt game ever played at the Magic City Casino.

Speaker 2 We are moving venues next year. It is Battle Court Championship Day.
Big day or not a big day?

Speaker 2 It's a big day. It's a big day.
Perhaps the biggest day of my life.

Speaker 2 And I came in with a certain type of energy. It's not every day that you get to wake up knowing that the team that we co-own can win a championship today,

Speaker 2 7 p.m., live on YouTube, live on the ESPN app. ESPN 3 is still a thing.
I've been told. Now that's for real.
Like it's on, I'm on ESPN tonight. I'm on ESPN radio tonight.
You are busy.

Speaker 2 You have a good excuse. I could literally Google what you're up to tonight.

Speaker 2 But like I could tell people while I'm on tonight, I'm doing the show with Amber Wilson, and I could tell people while we're on, like, hey, you could go watch on the app,

Speaker 2 you could watch the Cyclone. That's a real thing? That's right.
If you want to see a championship tonight, because a lot of people don't know. Some people are just at home.

Speaker 2 What do you want to watch tonight? You could see a championship one tonight. If you're not in Miami, if you're listening to us abroad, I just booked your Friday night plans.
Open up a nice bold cab,

Speaker 2 cuddle up on the couch, and watch the Cyclones win a championship. How long?

Speaker 2 is a high-line match? It depends. Doubles take longer.

Speaker 2 In the battle court final it's all doubles that's what the playoffs are so this could last about like two hours it depends but is it kind of like tennis where it's really short or really long two anywhere between two and three hours three would be a long match three a long time man three hours oh stop all right everything slows down in the playoffs how long is the radio show three hours going seven to ten tonight okay you want to do it live from the front on i would that would be amazing it does get a little loud it would be amazing why don't you do it yeah you should do it i mean i feel like it's a little bit late for me to sell that that to an ESPN.

Speaker 2 No. Hey, come set me up down at Magic City.

Speaker 1 Live from a championship.

Speaker 2 I know. I would like that, but this is something we should have arranged before

Speaker 2 10 hours till showtime. You could argue corporate synergy.
Hey, we have a championship game being played on the ESPN app.

Speaker 2 And I can broadcast live from there. You guys send me.
Great internet. You guys send me to some of the biggest sporting events in the nation, and this is one that's in our backyard.
Now,

Speaker 2 when I'm selling it on the air to listeners, like, hey,

Speaker 2 how do I sell it? I think you should, number one, tell your update anchor to play it straight.

Speaker 2 Like, you have sports. Do they still just do it at the top of the hour? Yeah, wouldn't that be amazing? Top and bottom.
Top and bottom.

Speaker 2 Depends what day part you're on, but tonight when I'm on, it's top and bottom. Top and bottom, we gotta legitimize this sport.
So just make sure it's passing.

Speaker 2 It's a simple sell. Hey, sports fan, do you like to witness greatness? You want to see the best back quarter in the world go for a title tonight?

Speaker 2 I mean, it's just like Unda, the revelation. Are you guys

Speaker 2 have you had moments where you're thinking to yourself how it's going to feel to own there yet? To be the, you haven't thought about it. So this is exciting because I have lifted the prestige

Speaker 2 Battle Court trophy. It was inside the bubble.
It was a COVID season, the first ever season. And it's, you know, have you ever done heroin?

Speaker 2 Everyone says you're chasing that first high for the rest of your life. And that's been us with Battle Court.

Speaker 2 We're chasing that first high. I wasn't even there for that one.
I was on a cruise. He was on a cruise.

Speaker 2 Wow, absentee owner. Yeah, I mean, trust me, we've been there.
Can you imagine if the heater in the NBA Finals and Mickey Arrison's on a cruise?

Speaker 2 I could actually.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because that's his other job. That was a bad example.

Speaker 2 No, it's a great example because he would never be on the cruise.

Speaker 2 Of all the examples in sports, though, probably the worst. No, that's likely a great example.
Be like, I'm sorry. Because he owns it and he would still never be at that job.
That's

Speaker 2 you're bad at analogy. You don't know know what you're talking about.
You don't know what you're talking about. He owns Carnival Cruise Lines.

Speaker 2 It's like that would be a legitimate excuse, better than what Roy's got going on.

Speaker 2 Okay, so that's what's happening tonight, all right? And I'm going to make sure everybody on ESPN radio knows what's going on and they could watch you guys on the ESPN app because that's how I roll.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 all that excitement that we just described, Mike Ryan is also a little bit angry because for the last few days. I am a little bit angry.

Speaker 2 for the last few days Mike Ryan has been coming in you know he's been been in the office here got that Burton Ernie cadence that drives me wild and he'll say like who wants to come on Friday clone cartel uh you know I got a suite I want to make sure that there's enough room for everybody and I specifically told Mike I'm like oh man I would totally come which I would I would totally come but I'm working tonight.

Speaker 2 I can't.

Speaker 2 I know you to be busy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So apparently like everyone else is giving you excuses? This entire back room, open invite, courtside seats. When have you ever been offered a courtside seat to a championship before?

Speaker 2 Jeremy, you ever been up close to a game before? No, never in my life. Another bad example.
He's a good player.

Speaker 2 Certainly not a finals game. Yeah, certainly not.
And you won't be unless you trade Tyler Hero. More on that in a second.
Wow. But I assume, look, we're all doing this together.

Speaker 2 Our show owns the Cyclones. That's always been the way that I view it.
It's not a Chris Cody team. It's not a Mike Ryan team.
It's a Dan Lebetard show with Stu Gott's team. You're right.

Speaker 2 And Dan's not going to be there. Stu's certainly not going to be there.
It would be a real shock if he were. That would be an upset.
That would be something. That'd be a swerve.
That'd be something.

Speaker 2 Text me back.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I assumed, I guess, ignorantly, that everybody here would be super psyched and matched our level of excitement.

Speaker 2 We've been talking about the Battle Corps Championship for weeks on end, and I know that you've been busy. It's cool.
But I was like, Tony, you excited tonight? Can't wait to see you there, pal.

Speaker 2 And he's like, oh, I would go. I would.
I definitely would go. What's your excuse? I'm not an instant excuse.
Wait, no, no, no. Don't couch as an excuse.
You definitely wouldn't. I would.

Speaker 2 No, no, I would. Don't tell me you would when the opportunity is staring at you right in the face.
I've gone. If you would, I don't remember you going.
If you would. He's been.
He's been.

Speaker 2 Then you screamed at my buddy Tommy for getting too close to the net that one time. That I don't know who was.
That's a rookie move. You don't walk close to the net.
You don't walk close to the net.

Speaker 2 Okay, but you remember that or no? Everybody knows that. I drink a lot at these things.

Speaker 2 And he's not going. Tony's not going.
You got to get a dryer getting delivered.

Speaker 2 I got one of those pods being delivered. And I'm like,

Speaker 2 at 7 p.m. for first toss, you have a.

Speaker 2 What does that even mean? So I'm moving. We bought a half podcast delivered.
We got to move my stuff, right?

Speaker 1 The thing is, we've got to move out this weekend, and I got to start doing the work early, right?

Speaker 2 They're going to put the pods in. It won't work.
You didn't hire a mover?

Speaker 2 You got money for a mover, buddy? Yeah. Send it to me.

Speaker 2 You're doing this all yourself?

Speaker 1 Doing my brother, too, my brother-in-law?

Speaker 2 I can't think of it. Moving yourself.

Speaker 2 It's only a couple of things. My brother-in-law with the pirated shirts? Yes.
No, I don't like that. Moving on your own? Sucker behavior.
It's not sucker behavior because it is. You're a sucker.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 2 So, Tony, wow. I didn't expect that this early in the week.
We only use A's for suckers. So, Tony's out.
Very insulting. Jeremy, what's your excuse? I'm also moving.
That's a lie.

Speaker 2 That's got to be a lie. That's rich.

Speaker 2 How many people can possibly move on a front? You know what?

Speaker 2 Everybody knows the great window to move is Friday evening. Everybody saves their moves for Friday evening.
Every community has laws that like you can't move on the weekend.

Speaker 2 So here's what's happening. I already live in my home, but for the last two months, I've been out of my home because we had a leak in our house.
Wait, you're serious?

Speaker 2 We're doing a moving kind of thing as well? Yeah, there was construction in our house for the last two months. Today is the day that we are kicked out of the Airbnb.

Speaker 2 It's the last day that we have for rent. We literally, as of yesterday, got the sign off to be back in our house.
All of the timing worked out great.

Speaker 2 The unfortunate part is that the timing also meant there would be a controversy with Highline.

Speaker 2 This is the bullshit. That sounds like bullshit.
This is the bullshit. That sounds like bullshit.
All right, now we're moving on.

Speaker 2 This is the bullshit. Now, two people moving on.
Do you call me a liar? Waiting for, you know what? Everybody loves their weekend plans of moving on Friday. There's nothing I could do about it.

Speaker 2 What if insurance would only cover this Friday? Two kids.

Speaker 2 I have no choice. And then we turn our attention to Roy.
Roy? A legacy member of the cast. Someone that I know would love to celebrate a championship.

Speaker 2 And I said, hey, family-friendly. Kids free.
This is free to the public. This is the best bargain in town.
And I'm like, Roy, you coming tonight? And he's like,

Speaker 2 exaggerating, right? Searching. And guess what he told me? I don't know.
I got one person hosting radio. That's okay.
I can Google it.

Speaker 2 I got two people moving at the exact same time on a Friday Friday night. I don't believe them, but whatever.
You know what Roy told me?

Speaker 2 I'm going to the practice rink. There's no way.
There's no way.

Speaker 2 Yeah. As you know, the Winter Classic is coming down in about two weeks, and I have to get my skating legs under me because...

Speaker 2 You're practicing. Yeah.
Oh, I thought you were like going to watch the Panthers practice. No, no, the Panthers are.
No, on the road. I can't.
Do you understand how road trips work?

Speaker 2 Roy's lacing them up because he's got a big one against the rags. Yeah.
So, yeah, I have to get my skating legs under me. Okay, hold on.
What is that's by far the most ridiculous?

Speaker 2 What does you skating have anything to do with the Winter Classic? Uh, there's a media skate, and uh, I'm gonna be a part of that.

Speaker 2 When you say skate, that's like a game, yeah, not a game, like you get to go on the ice at the ballpark. Wait a second,

Speaker 2 you're training for a casual skate around the rink. Yeah, this is bullshit.
This is not outside of Rockefeller. I watched it.
He's getting his skating legs under him.

Speaker 2 I go to Kendall Ice Arena like once every three years. Trust me, I don't need to train for it.
I hope at seven. Oh, I'd would like to see you skate then.
I do. Every three years.

Speaker 2 I gotta ask him all.

Speaker 2 That is the bullshit. That was talking about.
That's all the bullshit. That was the bullshit.
This is a completely fair point that Mike Ryan is making because I haven't skated.

Speaker 2 I haven't ice skated in years. And I know if you took me to an ice skating rink right now, I'll skate my pants off.

Speaker 2 I would like to see that.

Speaker 2 I would not. He's poor Canadian.
You don't forget how to skate. Like, I can tell you.
Skating is like riding a bike zap. Yeah, Yeah, it really is.
It really is. For you, maybe.
It is.

Speaker 2 If you didn't ever know how to skate, though, and you're learning. But he's learned.

Speaker 2 The learning's been done. He's already a learned skater.
He's a learned skater. It's 7.15 tonight when, like, the intense moment.

Speaker 2 If we're about to have first toss, I want just a cut to what Roy's doing.

Speaker 2 He's just at a night. This is insane.

Speaker 2 I thought he was training for a media game. Because that's what I heard a year ago when he began his training.
And now it's just a casual jaunt around a rink in a baseball park.

Speaker 2 I've never once in my life gone to Kendall Ice Arena and been like, damn, I should have trained for this. Are you going to go backwards? I'm going to try.

Speaker 2 Roy, you just started, like, you just learned how to skate? Yes. How long ago?

Speaker 2 I learned how to play while skating about a couple of months ago. And what about learning how to actually skate? How to actually skate not intensely before this year.

Speaker 2 So no, it was really the first time I really learned how to skate. Wow.
When you first got out there, were you out there like with the bullshit?

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Speaker 2 Roy, I want to hear who, and we're going to get back at the clones, all right? I want to hear who else is skating in this media skate. Well, I don't know.

Speaker 2 I just know that the league, the league emailed me.

Speaker 2 I'm going to text them.

Speaker 1 They emailed you to be like, hey, Roy, do you want to skate before the game?

Speaker 2 I'm texting Peter Black.

Speaker 2 It's not draining for this casual skate. What is it? It's like, I don't know, maybe a week or two, or a week before the game or something like that.

Speaker 1 So it's a week before the game that you're just going to skate on ice.

Speaker 2 I could take you to the Cato Ice Arena. Tell you what.
I'll make you a promise.

Speaker 2 I will go watch your little bullshit skate around and support you if you and the family, including Princess Claire, come out and support the team you co-own tonight. Magic City Fronton, 7 p.m.

Speaker 2 First Toss, Eastern.

Speaker 2 You need a credential for a skate there.

Speaker 2 For the front-on?

Speaker 2 Are you telling me I can't come to your casual skate? Hold on a second. You can just

Speaker 2 say that. Are you telling me I can't pull a cred?

Speaker 2 Let me tell you, I'll be there with a lanyard on. All right.
I will have a fancy-ass lanyard. He'll wear a hat.
He'll wear a hat that says press on. I will be there.
He'll have level one access.

Speaker 2 I would love to see you. Yeah.
He'll be on the ice with you. How about that? Oh, you got skates? This is the I can, yeah, and I don't need a train board.
I don't need a train board.

Speaker 2 I'll be like, well, it's one of those times once an Olympiad, Mike laces them up.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 look, I'll be fine. I'll be okay.
Racer on the ring? Yeah. Oh, yeah.
I'll be okay. This is the bullshit that I was telling you about, Taz.
Wow. Roy, look at me in my eyes.
Wow. Bad excuse.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 Roy, Roy, imagine game seven. And you're like, Chris, you going tonight? And I'm like, I'm going to play volleyball, my friend.

Speaker 2 No, no, no. Chris is like, I got to practice volleyball

Speaker 2 because I'm playing in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 Roy, what would happen if you didn't go to practice tonight and you show up to the media skate? Like, would you just be, you'd be falling down all over the place? Roy, what's the matter?

Speaker 2 Oh, you know, I went to Cyclones. You think there are going to be scouts there? You think the Rangers are going to be there? Like, wow, that guy should have trained three weeks ago.
You don't know.

Speaker 2 I mean, at least Roy's being honest. Jeremy's just making up.
Make up, Jeremy. See, I was just thinking to myself, I feel so much better.

Speaker 2 I feel almost no guilt now because I actually have something to do. So if we're going to race.
What are you talking about? You asked me to do something. How many more times?

Speaker 2 Roy, How many more times do you plan on skating before this ultimate practice skate? Great question. Hopefully several more times.
Exactly. So you got several more opportunities.

Speaker 2 That's a worse skating.

Speaker 2 You can possibly get all of that. I got Joy Campbell

Speaker 2 in your last summer.

Speaker 2 I could be out of the Dirbi and BC.

Speaker 2 We were learning about Championship.

Speaker 2 Why do you have the Dirby BC?

Speaker 2 Gotta tell you. It's unbelievable.
Gotta tell you. A little disappointed in this group.
So, Mike, Chris, because both of you guys, you'll obviously be there, your owners.

Speaker 2 Menez will be there. Okay.
Ethan.

Speaker 2 If we haven't told you yet, Ethan's going to be there.

Speaker 2 If we had to rank level of disappointment.

Speaker 2 If we had to rank level of disappointment with unattendance.

Speaker 2 Number one with a bullet is Roy. That's the bullshit.

Speaker 2 And I don't believe Tony. Straight up.
His excuse is, I got a pod being delivered at 3 p.m. Eastern Time.
I didn't say 3 p.m. I said the window is 5 to 7.

Speaker 2 No, you didn't. No, you didn't.
So if we hit that early window, you'll be there. Yeah.
You said you would.

Speaker 2 I said I would. Yeah.
You said you would. I would.
Opportunity. It's a knocking.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Once it knocks, then I'll know.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 1 6:35.

Speaker 2 I'm like, oh, I don't know. I'm in West Canada.
The lowest on the spectrum of disappointment is Jeremy because, quite honestly, between us, I didn't even want him there. I had to invite him.

Speaker 2 Also, keep in mind, this is going to be content for the hockey show.

Speaker 2 But what? This is... What? Content for the hockey show? What? The Dan Lebaturg show with Sue Gotts owns a flippin team.
We can win a flippin championship.

Speaker 2 Content for the hockey show, trust me, your content for the hockey show is going to be fine if you don't get one of your next six training skates in.

Speaker 2 This is the bullshit. Boy, I did not expect a Friday.
We should all be in a great mood today. We should all be excited about tonight, and I did not expect this level

Speaker 2 of disappointment.

Speaker 2 Mascot. Yeah, name the mascot.
I don't know what goes with Cloney. Do we call him Cloney? Ooh, that's a nice name.
George Cloney says that. George Cloney.
George Cloney. That's a nice name.

Speaker 2 Go get George Cloney. George Cloney.

Speaker 2 Bring Cloney in here whenever he's ready. Bring him in here.
He can hang out.

Speaker 2 He could support tonight's efforts. Bring him.
There he is. Bring him in.
Look at that. Oh, it's a little bit scary because he's a cyclone.
You know, I'm a little scared. Oh, here he is.
Hey, Cloney.

Speaker 2 My man, come sit down right here. Just hang out.
Hey, Georgie.

Speaker 2 Here you go. George Cloney.
There he is. Can he sit in that? Is the the real question.

Speaker 2 Let's see. All right.
He can sit.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 2 It's just going to be gorilla me here. You know why we're not going to the Super Bowl this year?

Speaker 2 That costume.

Speaker 2 You're looking at a $20,000 costume. Worth every penny.
You're a little disappointed, and I get it. Hopefully everything works out for you tonight.

Speaker 2 But let me see if I can try and turn that frown upside down. What's that slogan from? Anyone? Anyone? I don't know where it originated.

Speaker 3 Lionel Playworld.

Speaker 2 Turn that frown upside down. I don't know.
I'm sure they said that before. Put that thumb in this direction.
That was the big rival to Toys R Us growing up. Lionel Playworld.
Anyway. So.

Speaker 2 What was KB Toys? Oh, KB Toys is a great toy store growing up. They had one in Aventura Mall.
I used to love going to KB Toys. Yeah.
You went to... Wait.

Speaker 2 Weren't you like 18?

Speaker 2 Wasn't 18 what? When the KB Toy Store opened up in Aventura Mall. No, KB Toys, man.
When I was a little boy, they had KB Toys. It was right next to JCPenney.

Speaker 2 Man, you don't know what you're talking about. Well, I haven't

Speaker 2 got that. That's right.
I forget that Aventura Mall was like a mall before they totally redid it. Yeah, Aventura Mall has been around forever.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but like, it wasn't worth a note at all until they redid it. I don't like it now.
It's not, it's not good now. It's far as hell from where we are.
Aventura is so far.

Speaker 2 How do they still call that Miami? That's not Miami. That's hot.

Speaker 2 It's Day County. No, it's not Day County.
It is not.

Speaker 1 It takes you two hours to get there.

Speaker 2 It's on the border. Anyway, let me see if I could,

Speaker 2 you know, turn that attitude in a brighter direction. What if I told you guys that Giannis Antetacumpo might

Speaker 2 be interested in the Miami Heat? What if I told you that that's the direction that the reports are in right now? That Giannis, there are reports out there that Giannis Antetacumpo

Speaker 2 might be interested in the Miami Heat. Would that be something you? Would be interested in? I might be interested in that.
Just give me a second.

Speaker 2 I'm going to pull out the dent that's in George's eye.

Speaker 2 So, Giannis Antetacumpo, this is according to Howard Beck, a very respected NBA guy. Giannis Antetacumpo reportedly likes the Miami Heat as a landing spot if he can't land in New York.

Speaker 2 Quote, again, in doing the Giannis story and talking to people around the league, Miami was suggested to me as a place Giannis would really love to land if it's not New York. End quote.

Speaker 2 Cloney, how you feel about that Giannis report right there?

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 here's the thing, all right? Giannis can want to go to New York all he wants. I don't see how New York acquires him.

Speaker 2 And the reason I say this, okay, New York's obviously going to give up Carl Anthony Towns. Fine.
But they don't really have anything else to give up.

Speaker 2 And there's no reason Milwaukee would be in on just Carl Anthony Towns because Giannis is a lot better than Towns.

Speaker 2 And, you know, they're not any good right now with Giannis, so why would they want Towns? New York doesn't have any draft picks, they have no draft picks that they could trade.

Speaker 2 So, if you're at Milwaukee, you can't just build by getting Carl Anthony Towns in return. So, Giannis can want New York all he wants, but I don't see it as a realistic destination.

Speaker 2 The packages that they could potentially offer would be towns and some filler of role players that aren't the names you recognize, and pick swaps, or they they could offer Kat and Mikhail Bridges together, but to your point, Zaz,

Speaker 2 when you're trading away a superstar, particularly within the same conference to a team that obviously would be elevating itself,

Speaker 2 you don't often see a trade like that not be for a haul for your future. So theoretically, a top prospect with high upside plus several picks.

Speaker 2 And the Heat aren't the only team that can offer something like that.

Speaker 2 Like if Atlanta was willing to offer Jalen Johnson and several picks, that's like probably the best thing that could potentially happen.

Speaker 2 But it depends on what both the Bucs and Giannis ultimately want here. And will they handle it the same way that Portland did and just send him wherever they feel like?

Speaker 2 If he decides he wants out, will they be able to keep a good relationship? Like these are all the questions that you ask as this unfolds over the next, you know, few months.

Speaker 2 But we're three days away from essentially everyone being open to being traded from every roster that's starting on on December 15th it's like the question is Milwaukee still doing the thing where they're not listening to offers even though they're obviously listening to offers because they have to listen to offers right every time a player has gotten to the point where he's going to request that trade the team always starts with they're not listening to offers yeah so we're not listening to the 29 offers that are pouring into our inbox every single second of the day.

Speaker 2 And then I love the reports like Golden State says, hey, we'll trade you, Draymond. Now, hold on a second.
And everybody's like, okay. Hold on a second.

Speaker 2 When you say Golden State, like, what does that mean Golden State says?

Speaker 1 There's been conversations said that Golden State would offer Draymond Green as part of a trade.

Speaker 2 Okay, because the way you originally said it, you made it sound like Steve Kerrig on front of a microphone said, yeah, we would trade Draymond for

Speaker 2 basically type.

Speaker 2 For Milwaukee, by the way, when we're talking about picks, like this year, they have a pick. It's just whichever one is the worst of their pick and New Orleans, likely to be their own pick.

Speaker 2 But if you look forward in the next few years, they're not going to have a 2027 pick. They're going to have the least favorable of several different teams' picks in 2028.
They don't have a pick in 29.

Speaker 2 They're going to have a pick swap with Portland in 2030. So they have some draft picks available to them.

Speaker 2 But the real likelihood here is they're going to be looking for some draft capital because even if they struggle over the next few years, their picks aren't going to be great.

Speaker 2 Now, that is where you could convince yourself if you're on the Knicks side of this. Well, if their own first round picks are going to be swapped with other teams, they might as well

Speaker 2 end up with the worst possible pick because who cares, right? If you get a bad pick, the other team's just going to take that from you and you might want to remain competitive.

Speaker 2 But normally the way this all ends up working itself out, these teams are looking for a giant haul in return for their superstar.

Speaker 2 So whether that ends up being, like I just mentioned, if it's Jalen Johnson in Atlanta, there are other teams that can can make these offers. But I don't think that they would do it either.

Speaker 2 Like, that's the thing. I think Atlanta's in the space presently where they've decided, like, that's their goal.

Speaker 1 Jalen Johnson could be their best player in the Easter Conference in three years.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 And I think that they'd be more likely to move Trey Young as a piece to a team that thinks that could take them over the top or dismantle things around it so they can build around Jalen Johnson than they would be willing to move him in exchange for Giannis to pair with Trey Young.

Speaker 2 That's where you look at the Miami Heat and you say, whatever their best offer is, may actually end up being at the very least near the best offer that Milwaukee can get.

Speaker 2 And if that's one of the two places that Giannis would want to be, that's where you go.

Speaker 2 But the weird part about all of this has become like normally this show and Heat Twitter are doing all of the hope trafficking.

Speaker 2 Right now, we've all been sort of like resigned to Giannis won't end up here. And this is all coming from national voices.
Howard Beck is not a guy who's not going to be able to do it.

Speaker 2 It's funny that you're saying that because I haven't seen a ton of it from Heat fans either on social media where it's like like the Heat are going to get Yannis, they should do this, that.

Speaker 2 It's finally been broken. Maybe.

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Speaker 3 If Daniel Day-Lewis did it, you'd be jerking off all over yourself.

Speaker 2 Oh, come on. Yeah, I would be.
Aggressive description. I mean, what is it?

Speaker 3 What is that? I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 No, no, no. I was just saying one.
That's me. Daniel Day-Lewis does something.

Speaker 2 I see that photo of Daniel Day-Lewis looking like Lincoln before he's about to start filming Lincoln. And you know what I do, Amin? Stugats.
I jerk off all over myself. That's what I do.

Speaker 2 Lincoln, who you outed the other day? Don't make this a rejoin. This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats.

Speaker 2 Why does Mike look like Nick Cage on skates in this page?

Speaker 1 That's a very con air, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, you look

Speaker 2 at the lanyard at Roy's skate around.

Speaker 2 And look how confident I am upright on my skates. Ankles not turned down.
You know why?

Speaker 2 It needs the sleeve. But

Speaker 2 honestly, it looks a little bit more like Frank Kaminski. And look, you got the Lanyard in the connection.
I got the Lanyard. You belong.
I look like Mr. 305 Eats there.
Shout out to George.

Speaker 2 Yeah, shout out to George. We like George.
George went to the last Battle Court Championship that we were in. We lost that one.
We're one and one in the Battle Court Finals. Not George Richards.

Speaker 2 You're such a a martyr. Yeah, Locky.
Dude, get who? What a martyr? Who the hell is George Richards? What a Mars. No, dude, who that is? No, no, no.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 Yeah, back off. We love George Richards.

Speaker 2 I don't know who that is.

Speaker 2 You don't know that fool? Roy. I don't know that fool.
I'm making a personal appeal. It would mean a lot to me and Chris.
I feel like I'm speaking for Chris here. May I? Yeah.
You may.

Speaker 2 We want you there.

Speaker 2 We want you. We want Anid.
We want Claire. We want the Bellamies.
Princess Claire. We want them all there at the Magic City for on time.
Bellamies. Yeah, but Roy wants to go skate.
Bella.

Speaker 2 He'd rather skate than go to the Battle Board Championship. That's embarrassing.
Bella. You should.

Speaker 2 I'll be there.

Speaker 2 Yay!

Speaker 2 In spirit. Oh!

Speaker 2 Wow!

Speaker 2 Dog! You

Speaker 2 dirty fake out! That was a good psych. That was a good psych.
Mike, I have good news. I want to see that psyche now.
I can't make it. That's great news.
Yes, that's great.

Speaker 2 And, and, and I'm sending my replacement. Jason will will be there.
Oh, I love your brother. George A.R.
He'll be there in my stead. Your brother is really good.
You're the plus one.

Speaker 2 I'll ask him. Jason Tashay can do whatever he wants around these parts.
He is a-okay.

Speaker 2 So terrific. So Jeremy explains there what Milwaukee would want in a potential Giannis trade.

Speaker 2 And here's where Adam Silver, the softest commissioner in all of professional sports, is really screwing the heat. All right.
Because the Heat only had...

Speaker 2 Like, the Heat can realistically put together a package for Giannis. All right.
A package that starts with Kell Elware, of course, you're going to throw in Tyler Hero most likely as well.

Speaker 2 And we'll give you Niko Jovich, too. But you want to have the opportunity to give all the picks.
And the Heat only have two tradable draft picks right now. Why is that?

Speaker 2 That's because the Hornets and the NBA screwed the Heat. All right.
And like, Tony, you understand how this works? Like, why? It wasn't even a screwing. It was a Royal screwing, Zaz.
That's right.

Speaker 2 They screwed the Heat. And what's Adam Silver doing about it? Sitting on his hands.
Nothing. Nothing.
That's his move. Do nothing.
He's doing nothing. He's doing nothing.

Speaker 2 Some people do something. He did nothing.
He does nothing.

Speaker 2 This is going to get figured out, right? No. No.
Why?

Speaker 2 What faith do you have in it getting figured out? It's just so unfair. Yeah, it's very unfair.
Yeah. Maybe there's a memorandum we can send.
Like, hey, guys, this is unfair.

Speaker 1 A memorandum of understanding.

Speaker 2 Yeah. One of those.
Oh, don't get me started on that. I was listening.
Did you intend it? Dude,

Speaker 2 memorand?

Speaker 2 I was listening to an Ivan Meisel interview

Speaker 2 on, it was actually pretty interesting. Ivan Meizel

Speaker 2 wrote a book about Notre Dame, and he is also on the College Football Playoff Selection Committee. And he joined a podcast.
Didn't he used to be like a reporter for ESPN? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 How many CFP podcasts have you listened to in the last couple weeks? I've listened to a lot of them. You're a 1.55 speed guy, right? Yeah, I'm 1.75.
Wow. But I never do that.
Should I do that?

Speaker 2 Your ears are just a bad thing. 1.5, you figure it out.
1.75 is a 0.5. 2.0 is a little crazy, but 1.75.

Speaker 2 I read a book about Garth Brooks allegedly being a serial killer in like a day. So anyways, Ivan Meisel was on this podcast.
It was Gene Wojakowski, Gene Wojahowski, or Wojakowski.

Speaker 2 I think it's a houske. I think it's housky.
Pat Forty and some other guy.

Speaker 2 And Ivan Meisel was on it. And this is the first time that I've heard anybody from the College Football Playoff Selection Committee do an interview.

Speaker 2 And as you know, Ivan Meisel made news recently because Notre Dame's bookstore canceled an appearance because he wrote a book on Frank Leahy,

Speaker 2 the Notre Dame coach. So, whenever Notre Dame came up in the club, that's not why they canceled it.
They canceled it because he's on the committee and Notre Dame got left out.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Ivan Meisel, by the way, was not happy about that, and they have since rescheduled. In fact, Pete Bavakwa,

Speaker 2 he reached out to Ivan Meisel to apologize because the bookstore was acting independently. Ivan Meisel was ready for all the smoke.
Any hoodles.

Speaker 2 Ivan Meisel gave keen insight into the selection process, and I thought I would come away encouraged by it. I was more gaslit than ever because that like

Speaker 2 well, he recused himself, right? He did. Anytime the Notre Dame Fighting Irish would come up, like a light would go up on his laptop.

Speaker 2 He's barred from talking about Notre Dame because he wrote that book. Yeah, a light would come up on his laptop.

Speaker 2 A light would, like, they're all like in this meeting room, and anytime like they talk about Notre Dame, like a light comes up on his laptop to signal to all the other committee members, like, yeah, he can't be here.

Speaker 2 He has, there are certain like tiers of access. He had access to remain in the room.
Some people have to recuse themselves completely and have to leave the room entirely.

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, isn't that what happened with Ward Manual a couple years ago in Michigan? Yeah, he, Ivan Meisel, was able to stay in the room, just he would have to be,

Speaker 2 you know, zip up the lips. Wow.
So Ivan Meisel was there and he was explaining like the whole like Miami, Notre Dame, because it defies common sense that

Speaker 2 no one in that room until Sunday was like guys these two teams played and Miami beat them but he was genuine in that the head-to-head never came up with Miami not not once and guys

Speaker 2 can what are we what the are we you don't believe you don't believe him so the way like I sincerely believe I do believe I believe someone can come out and say that's not true I believe him but this is where I lost so much faith in the process.

Speaker 2 His argument for, like, let's say the penultimate episode was BYU in between Notre Dame, who was ahead of BYU and Miami.

Speaker 2 And the way that they would genuinely look at it is, well, we think BYU is better than Miami, and we think Notre Dame is better than BYU.

Speaker 2 And that's like, when you hear that in a vacuum, you're like, okay,

Speaker 2 but Miami and Notre Dame are 10-2, and Miami beat Notre Dame. This is common sense.

Speaker 2 How can BYU be better than Miami, but Notre Dame be better than BYU if Miami beat the team you're saying is better than BYU? That's transitive theory. That's right.
The transitive property.

Speaker 2 This is common sense. This is applied in AP rankings since the dawn of the AP rankings.
Yet for whatever reason, these 13 people never thought until Sunday that this was ridiculous.

Speaker 2 It boggles the mind. And I came away saying, thank God for this weekly show.
Thank God God for it.

Speaker 2 Even though it's like a dog and pony show, even though it was part of the problem that Notre Dame rightfully has with this process, it holds people accountable.

Speaker 2 Because in that room, those folks, clueless. Wow.
They're clueless. And I like the fact that there is a weekly show to hold people accountable so you can get outraged.
And yeah, does it farm outrage?

Speaker 2 Absolutely. 100%.
That's part of the deal. But some of that outrage is warranted and it could actually bring about change.

Speaker 2 In all seriousness, instead of having these athletic directors and people who we,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 we don't necessarily believe are the most informed,

Speaker 2 why can't they have, you know, some of the top college football media people who we know are well aware of everything that goes on with all these schools and these teams and what have you.

Speaker 2 Like, why does it have to be these, you know, these athletic directors who we don't necessarily trust?

Speaker 2 It should never be an athletic director. I don't, I don't understand why they're,

Speaker 2 it should be, even though I

Speaker 2 top college football media figures. It should be like 13 Ivan Meisels.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah.
Tim Kirchin. I, I,

Speaker 2 there is such a conflict of interest with an AD being in that room. Crazy.
This is such a transient. There should not be a scenario where, in this case, it's Ivan Maisel.

Speaker 2 There should not be a scenario where someone has to recuse themselves from a conversation. There is, like, you've you've known ADs.
Very rarely do they stay at one school.

Speaker 2 They have, they've, they've all gone through some sort of climb. They've been at other schools.
They all know each other. They all have relationships.

Speaker 2 When you're having an SEC conversation, you can't have the chairperson getting daily calls from Greg Sankey because he's the athletic director at Arkansas. This is beyond stupid.
Says, you know, ADs?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 Well, you know about them.

Speaker 2 I mean, yeah, I know about them, but but I don't know those fools. You know about them.
I know about them, but

Speaker 2 I'm not trying to conversate and hang out with ADs. Suffice to say,

Speaker 2 they're not souped to nuts over there in their administrator role.

Speaker 2 They have a climb. They go to other schools.

Speaker 2 They get recruited over

Speaker 2 by headhunters and they put them in place over there.

Speaker 2 It's asinine that you have athletic directors in this room. What keen insight would an athletic director have over, say, Desmond Howard?

Speaker 2 This is stupid. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 What are your qualities? I understand why Mark D'Antonio is in there. I understand why Chris Alt is in there.

Speaker 2 And by the way, why is an athletic director spending so much time watching other teams' football games as opposed to paying attention to his athletic department? Like his job.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that was another thing. I don't think they watch these games.

Speaker 2 That was like, he made a whole big deal about the Saturday. Like, we watched the noon game, then we took a little break, and they skipped the SEC.
They didn't sit there for the SEC championship.

Speaker 2 They went back for the Big Ten title game. No wonder Alabama stayed where they're at.
They didn't watch it together. What is this process?

Speaker 2 Let him speak.

Speaker 2 Jeremy, you got the Mac Daddy offer for us?

Speaker 2 Well, I've been doing some research here into the protections on these picks

Speaker 2 and why the Heat can't trade four first-round picks they can only trade two. And what this is, is in 2027, the pick that they have going to the Hornets and the Terry Rozier, Kyle Lowry.

Speaker 2 Where Adam Silver's just sitting around doing a lot of stuff. His lottery shit.
Sham trade, by the way. Sham trade.
Okay, but even with the sham trade, this is where I'm at.

Speaker 2 Jeremy, you'll admit Adam Silver sitting around doing nothing. Oh, it's garbage.
It's garbage the way that this is being handled. I'm glad.
But this is

Speaker 2 Sham's trade.

Speaker 2 This is the interesting part of what's happening. Is that a sham trade or a sham trade?

Speaker 1 Steve Martin, too.

Speaker 2 the hornets and the heat could negotiate to unprotect that pick in 2027

Speaker 2 so officially that pick would convey in 2027 and the heat could trade 26 28 30 and 32.

Speaker 2 no wait not true that is true you can't trade back-to-back years what did i just say 26 28 you just said but they're going to give 27 that would be back-to-back years idiot you can you i know they are in the

Speaker 2 if they convey, if they convey, if they unprotect this pick in 27, the Heat will be able to move. That's been the conversation.
They won't be able to trade 27 picks. So it may be the other way.

Speaker 2 It would be 27, 29, 31, 33 at a certain point.

Speaker 2 If they unprotect 27 and it's going to convey there no matter what, then they're going to be able to get a picture

Speaker 2 and 31. There's a scenario here in which the Heat would be able to trade four picks.
Yeah, I'm a little bit more. If Adam Silver gives the Heat their pickback.

Speaker 2 Well, okay. Either way,

Speaker 2 what I was going toward is the Hornets, just like the ACC commissioner, need to do the right thing.

Speaker 2 The Hornets need to negotiate in good faith this time, not in bad faith, not like Dan Lebetard yesterday in his argument.

Speaker 2 Bad faith.

Speaker 2 They need to negotiate in good faith and help the Heat get to a space where they can have more picks available, even if it's just a second-round pick swap to be able to help them have the most draft capital possible.

Speaker 2 And if they do,

Speaker 2 you're offering essentially everything that's valuable in the cupboard except for Bamo to buy. I'm getting worried about George Cloney

Speaker 2 because it feels like our air conditioning cut off here. Yeah, it's a little hot.
I mean, it has to be hot. He hasn't moved in a few minutes.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 2 How sweaty are you? Is it sweaty under that? Ask him on a scale of one to ten how sweaty he is. I don't think he can hear me, Zaz.
Yeah. You got to ask him.
Yeah, ask him how sweaty he is.

Speaker 2 Yo, how sweaty are you? Scale of one to ten. Sweaty.
Sweaty. He's fucking.