Trump gets owned by Newsom and Putin

Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Find Out podcast.

We are back at full strength today.

We have Chris back with us, who

has almost a three-month-old baby now.

So it's time to come back to work.

Maybe, maybe he's a little bit of a break from the break.

Rich will be joining us in a few minutes, but we have a lot to talk about today because a lot of crazy stuff has happened over the past few days.

And so we're going to go back a few days because I think these all kind of go together.

We're going to talk about the disastrous Trump-Putin meeting and just all of the insanity around it.

So

was that Thursday, guys?

Thursday?

Friday?

Friday.

Donald Trump flew to Alaska.

He also ordered, I think it was fighter jets from Missouri to also travel with him so that he could put on an air show

for Vladimir Putin to the cost, I think it cost $2 million to do that.

So we're going to keep pointing those things out every time because when you cut SNAP benefits and you cut Medicaid, I want you to also know what they are spending their money on.

Then we had soldiers on their hands and knees rolling out a red carpet for a war criminal and Donald Trump clapping for him and also walking weirdly.

I don't know if you saw him him wobbling on a

car.

I was just going to say he's afraid of tripping, but yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, so,

you know, there's a lot of like, there have been a lot of conversations about what happened in that meeting.

You know, they canceled some press briefings.

There was like a photo op that got wrapped up quickly.

People were saying that Caroline Levitt was like, she looked like a ghost when she came out and said some of that stuff was going to happen.

So, do you guys have, do we, do we know what was going on there?

I mean, it doesn't sound like it was very good.

No.

yeah, I mean, that seems to be.

He's like, I don't understand why he's so obsessed with trying to create a deal that benefits Russia.

Like, it to me, it makes literally no sense.

Like, nothing is going to work unless both sides get something out of this.

And him trying to constantly be like, well, let's just make sure Putin gets what he wants.

Like, why?

Yeah, it's really painful.

It's because Putin goes into those meetings and says, you're so smart, and everybody loves you.

And the Democrats cheated.

And they do the same thing in my country.

All of these pro-democracy people, they all just are so mean to me, too.

And that's it.

That's what

he loves

when people just compliment him and say he's the most beautiful person on the planet.

And Putin knows as a former, I mean, you don't have to be a fucking former KGB agent to know how easy Trump is to manipulate.

That's true.

But, but this has got to be like the highlight of Putin's year.

Like getting to walk into

his former adversary's office and, you know, on

American soil and just getting

everything

he wants.

His predecessors couldn't have dreamed of this being possible.

Yeah, it's crazy.

I mean, the thing about it, though, is like, despite all the spectacle, it kind of means jack shit because nothing is going to happen without Ukraine

actually being willing to make a deal that makes sense for them.

Like, I don't like the spectacle element because like, if you just go back, I don't know, five years, even, even less, even the Republicans hated Putin.

Everybody hated Putin because he's the fucking leader of Russia.

Right.

It's like, it's, it's not a difficult thing.

So now it's like, you know, essentially platforming this guy and giving him all this, you know, hey, you come to the table first.

Like, why are we doing this?

Shouldn't they be at the table at the same time?

Like, shouldn't we be doing what you did Friday and what you're doing today, Monday, we're shooting this simultaneously, you know, because we've got two sides here.

It's, yeah, it's, I mean, Trump just doesn't understand.

Trump doesn't understand a fundamental thing here is that Ukraine is never going to give up.

They're never going to cede some shit deal just to end this conflict.

They're never going to do it.

So until he factors that into his negotiation, his little like, you know, peace deal and dream of a Nobel Peace Prize, it ain't going to fucking happen.

Well, my understanding is that the deal that Putin said he would accept actually gives them more land that they control in Ukraine now.

Yeah.

So they would have to give up even more than what the Russians have gained.

But also, you know, Zach, you're exactly right.

Like they are not going to allow this because what kind of message does that send that you can invade and everything's fine and you'll get what you want.

And, you know, I think that Trump was saying this today about Zelensky.

He's like, they're going to have to give up something.

Well, we're the only,

we are the only Western country that is actually suggesting that at the moment.

And it's pretty telling that they're, I believe, meeting right now in the White House, but Zelensky brought seven world leaders with him, including the prime minister of the United Kingdom.

I think Macron must be with him from France.

Germany is here, like all of these people who understand the Russian threat.

And it's more important to them because some of those countries either border Russia or are not very far away.

They absolutely do not want this because this is part of Vladimir Putin's desire to recreate the USSR, which if you looked at his foreign minister, what's his name, Lavrov or whatever his name is, was literally wearing a sweatshirt in Alaska that in Cyrillic, the Russian language, said USSR.

Like the subtle, they aren't Russians.

They're not subtle,

but like this is what they want.

So like if they get a little bit of Ukraine, then they can get a little bit of Georgia.

Right.

Maybe we'll slive off a little bit of Poland.

Like, they want to push their boundaries out as far as they possibly can.

Well, there's a nuance to this, though.

Like, and it's important because, like, I don't think it's so terrible if they end up making a deal where they lose that land.

Because, frankly, that land is relatively valueless to them.

It's very, you know, it's rural.

It's also very Russian.

Like, a lot of the people there want to be a part of Russia.

What has to happen here are concrete guarantees and Ukraine being able to be on a path to join NATO.

That's the truth.

Like Ukraine needs a long-term path to sovereignty that can't be broken because some handshake deal was broken, because that's already happened to them multiple times.

That's going to be the sticking point here.

I think Ukraine is going to be more than happy to part with a lot of this land because they could give a fuck.

They want to make sure that this will never happen again.

Russia cannot invade again without severe consequences.

And the only way to do that is to say, you can be on a path to join NATO.

And in the short term, the U.S.

and NATO will be providing cover for you, an actual border where you cannot be reinvaded without starting a world incident.

That's the only way it's going to end.

There is no other way.

Well, I think what's really funny is that from all accounts, what we've heard is what Chris said exactly is like Putin comes in and tells him that the Democrats cheated.

He won 2020.

Oh, it's so great to be well part of you, blah, blah, blah, like this five-minute, like, I love you session followed by.

And we won all the land and NATO can't be on the table and da-da-da.

Bye.

Take the photo, shake.

We're gone.

And that was it.

That was it that's why i don't think you saw any other things and then you know you also i thought the funniest part of the whole thing was when they were standing on tarmac and a reporter literally said to uh vladimir putin when are you going to stop killing civilians and he went like this he put his hand to his ear and then he just walked off yeah like he clearly heard and because he speaks english like i don't know if people

he speaks english so

yeah i think it was just a cluster which leads us into the the next part which is that you know now donald trump has been railing because let's be honest, like even Fox News was panning this summit.

Like they were like, it sounds like we didn't get any.

It sounds like it went very poorly.

Yeah, no shit.

It didn't go very well.

And if Fox is saying that.

So then this weekend, our

dear leader, I guess,

started railing.

Guess what he started to go on to again?

Fake elections.

And he is like...

railing against mail-in ballot, mail-in voting, which he has participated in mail-in balloting several times and it seemed seemed fine for him, but apparently nobody else.

And he wants the ability to seize voting machines.

And he said in 2020, I tried to get them and they stopped me, even though there is no evidence.

Let me repeat that.

No evidence of any wrongdoing.

And in fact, Dominion, which runs those machines, have settled two defamation lawsuits, one of which happened today.

The first one was Fox News two years ago, which was for $787 million,

three quarters of a billion dollars.

And then today it was with Fox.

And then today it was announced that Newsmax has agreed to pay $67 million to Dominion for lying about 2020.

And so he has, which kind of stepped on his announcement of wanting to end mail-in voting and

being able to

seize voting machines.

And including, and then today he wrote an EO, or he put out an EO banning fail mail-in voting, which the reason why we want to talk about this is because it is completely meritless.

He has no legal authority to do that.

Elections are in the states.

So basically just ignore it and let the courts fight this out because

they're not.

Yeah.

I mean, it's complete bullshit.

Like not this, like, I think the thing, the headline for me in this, for anybody listening, is this will not be an actual thing.

It won't stand.

Like, it's just a stupid PR stunt that he's doing to further push this narrative that 2020 was stolen and all that crap.

It's all bullshit.

And there's no way this will ever actually play out in the long term.

I wouldn't be so confident that this Supreme Court is not going to like just fold on something that we feel like is settled law.

Yes.

I think recent history tells us that that we should expect surprises.

But what he's doing with these voting machines things,

the voting machines, and

talking about elections now is directly related to what's happening happening in Washington, D.C.

right now.

With National Guard getting pulled out of red states and brought to D.C.,

and ICE becoming more ever-present, all of these things have to do with Trump

normalizing the use of force, having uniformed people he considers loyal, at least,

in blue cities.

So everything, all of these things that we're talking about are voter intimidation.

If he convinces even a few million people out of this entire country that mail-in voting is illegitimate, who may not vote for him, that could be enough to swing an election.

So I think we need to look at all of these things in that context through that lens.

I think, hey, guys, how's it going?

What's up?

Any stupid shit happened this morning that I missed?

I catch everything, so no, the answer is no.

I mean, you got to remember, he's been whining about mail-in voting since forever because he doesn't understand how things happen in the world.

And so when he woke up the day after the 2020 election and realized that he actually lost because he fucking sucks and everybody who didn't want COVID stayed home and mailed mailed in a ballot.

He was absolutely flabbergasted.

And in the past five years, he hasn't figured out how that could have been a thing that was possible.

And it's been explained.

And yet, then come forward to 2024, he actually talked out of both sides of his mouth.

I know this is going to surprise you guys, but he said mail-in voting is the devil.

It's the end of everything.

It's going to destroy America.

Also, go and mail in a ballot for donald trump

and because of that they came within a couple of points on mail-in voting um trump he didn't underperform harris that much on mail-in voting and if you take out like i think it's it's uh i think washington has just mail-in ballots for everybody all of the time for every election yeah if you take out the the blue votes that come from safe blue states i wouldn't be surprised if maybe they broke even or even outperformed um among mail-in mail-in ballots in swing states.

So like he's not coming after Democratic voters.

Like I'm still going to go vote in a building, even if they, even if he convinces my, our Secretary of State to, you know, get rid of mail-in ballots.

Well,

traditionally, before COVID, mail-in ballots were mostly reserved for elderly voters who generally tend to vote for Republicans.

So

this is, it's not very clear that this is actually going to help him very much.

First of all, it's not going to happen.

I mean, there could be some red states that get rid of mail-in voting, I suppose.

But I think in most places, like, yeah, Washington state, I think, is exclusively mail-in balloting.

California has a very robust mail-in, which I think we already know what Calvin Newsom's going to say to Donald Trump about the ZO.

You know, but

I'm waiting for the all caps tweet, but,

you know, which we'll talk about in a second.

But

it's just grievance, right?

He lost mail-in ballots in 2020.

So, and then he had a shitty meeting with Vladimir Putin.

And he's like, what can I do?

He pulls out one of his greatest hits.

Voting is corrupt, even though somehow with mail-in balloting, Donald Trump managed to win twice.

So, our ability to rig elections is we're pretty bad at it.

Actually,

we were one out of three on presidential elections, and we didn't bother to rig the ballots for all of the down ballot races

that we very much,

you know, in hindsight wish we had won

i mean it's just nonsense and it's just he's trying to pivot and he's trying to get his base off of this and obviously epstein is still out there too i mean it's just very obvious but it does scare people and chris is right like all of this is meant to make people think that their votes don't count so they don't vote that's it no i i mean it's it's we know that he just wakes up and reacts to things um but like it's still surprising every time because you know that putin told him a bunch of shit like I mean, he's, he's, he's, he's so fucking stupid.

He just went to Fox News and said, I talked to Putin about voting, about elections, an election integrity.

Everybody's like, don't fucking say that.

They're like kicking him on this under the table.

And, and Putin tells him, yeah, the 2020 election was stolen.

Yeah, I wouldn't have invaded Ukraine.

Like, by the way, what the fuck does that have to do with anything?

I wouldn't have invaded Ukraine had you been president.

He tells him that he's just, he's just telling him whatever dumb shit he wants to hear because he's just manipulating the fucking guy who's ruining the country.

And Putin very much wants us to be ruined so that he can then be relevant again.

Because remember, he's a former KGB spy and he wants the Soviet Union to be a real thing again.

Ronald Reagan literally just ignited into a burst of flames in his grave somewhere.

And so then he comes out, you know, two days later.

Like he doesn't even bury the lead.

He comes out two days later.

Putin said that the election was stolen.

He blamed mail-in ballots.

That helps me.

Mail-in ballots are stupid.

I'm going to ban them.

I guarantee there was no, like, he didn't consult with anybody on this.

He didn't read a thing.

Like, can I do this?

It's just like, it's that train of, that, what do you call it?

The train of consciousness, a stream of consciousness.

Like, that is his existence.

We're seeing another example of it.

It'll be, it'll be dead inside two weeks, if I had to guess.

Also,

how does Vladimir, I mean, this is so stupid to even talk about, how does he know that the election was rigged?

Now, I understand.

Because he was in every voting machine, right?

that's what they're they're the ones saying that shit

yeah it's crazy well he also wants that out there because you know they want to say that everything of russia was a hoax from the beginning which it wasn't right and there's it's all part of the big play to to convince mega world that you know the democrats are evil and eating babies and faking and like you know and you know swinging elections except two of the three that Donald Trump was in.

But the crazy thing is, people believe this shit.

That's the thing.

It's like they're going to believe it.

And they're going to, you know, it's just, anyways.

So a bit of a pivot here from this.

There is somebody that has been taking a page out of Donald Trump's playbook recently to great success.

And wouldn't you know it?

It's California Democratic governor Gavin Newsom.

My guy.

Who in the last few days has gone from not a pariah, but just sort of like, well, he did a silly podcast with like right-wingers right-wingers to literally people making memes of him.

I saw one today of him shirtless with a six-pack and a

memes are so good.

The USA Speedo.

Yep.

Really?

Oh, God.

And look, like, so the big news is that he has announced this ballot initiative in California that is going to ask the people to temporarily eliminate or pause the independent gerrymandering commission so that they can gerrymander California and take five seats from Republicans, like Republicans are planning to do in Texas.

And not only is he doing that, but he's also

at the same time launched a full-scale Trump-ish-style media blitz against dude.

His tweets are so fucking good.

They're

unhinged, all caps, like low, everyone's low IQ, scumbags.

It's just great.

It's this Trump-style shit, man.

I love it.

And then, and then, and then Fox is like,

this is below the governor of the, of California.

You're like, you, you tweet, you're writing that shit with a straight fucking face, man.

Like, insane, dude.

I love it.

It's so good.

Like, it's the best strategy ever.

Like, you literally, he's like, he pretty much hired Donald Trump's people to write these fucking things for him.

It's, it's a one-to-one, dude.

And I just, I love it.

Like, anybody right now who's shitting on Gavin Newson needs to shut the fuck up.

This dude is killing it right now.

He's literally showing everybody how you do this.

This is how you do it.

I mean, this is, and I did a video on it this weekend, but like I said, I think I titled it a message to the 3,000 Democrats that are going to run for president.

It's like, do you see what Gavin Newsom is doing?

You can do that too.

And do it.

People want a fighter.

Yep.

Like this is, right?

And like Gavin does not have a sterling progressive

agenda.

He's, you know, he's done some things with homelessness and he said some things about the trans community that they really don't like.

So he's not this like AOC leftist person.

But my God, the reaction to people online from somebody finally standing up and basically saying,

I'm going to punch back, which is like the first time in the 10 years that Trump's been running for president.

Like, this is a signal of what people want.

Yeah.

He can win.

So I think we should give credit where credit's due.

The social media director behind Newsom is a Latina named Camille Zapata.

She is the one who's doing the Trump style tweets.

She's the one who's successfully trolling the entire MAGA movement.

I mean, I don't spend a lot of time on Twitter or X except for like my work.

Or when you want to feel bad about yourself.

Yeah.

Like Fox News, the entire MAGA movement doesn't get it that they're being trolled.

They

do not understand that they are being trolled.

And it's the funniest thing in the world.

After 10 years, if not more, of the left Democrats not understanding how to play this game,

one woman came in and was like, all right, let me fucking show you guys how it's done.

And I think that Democrats who are running, Chuck Schumer can't do this, to be clear.

Like he'll never, that's never going to work.

But

who actually have that personality, like should

go ahead and hire digital directors just like her.

All right.

So, Luke, I have a question for you.

I know you don't like Gavin Newsom,

but does this approach he's taking at all, A, change your attitude towards him?

And B, would it get you on a path to voting for him one day?

I mean, it's not like I wouldn't vote for him.

Like, I am not a fucking,

I'm not going to vote for somebody I don't like.

That's not a good thing.

No, I mean, like, maybe like in a primary, like in a primary, in a primary, it'd be real tough.

Like, he's what I'm saying.

He's one, like, he is real quick to throw trans people under the bus and homeless people under the bus.

and I think he's very performative I think I mean I think you can't be mad that he's fighting but I don't think the fight comes from a purely uh

noble place yeah yeah it's not it's not noble no

he's in it because it may it puts him on a name it puts his name out there for a lot of oh he's that guy that stood up to Trump and like I'm not against that but he's got a history and like if he's not willing to change that then yeah I'm not going to be thrilled what's I just out of curiosity because I don't know what's the stuff with him and homeless people people and trans people?

He's just, as far as it's like some legislation shit, right, Tim?

I,

yeah, I mean, he's, he's, I think he said some stuff about trans people in sports and then the homeless thing they have been clearing out.

Yeah.

That's, yeah.

Oh, is it the fairness thing in trans?

Because like he, yeah, I, I agree with him on that.

I mean, I think that it's a, we need to be different on the issue.

Like we, we can't just.

pretend like there's not a fairness gap if that's a real thing.

It's not an issue in my mind.

Like it's not an issue we should be thinking about, but I I think that he's right that like if we're going to be, you know, realistic about having a conversation about this, you can't be like, well, you know, somebody who was biologically male is competing against biologically female people.

That is a disadvantage in a lot of ways.

But it's after they've, I mean, it's not like somebody goes, okay, I'm a girl now.

Like they, it's after they've gone through hormones, which changes their body full.

Like full throttle changes their body.

No, 100%.

I just think it's.

Nobody would know Riley Gaines' fucking name if she didn't lose to a trans person because she'd have been fifth still.

No, but it's less so about the, like, I don't, the issue I think is an on-issue in my mind, but I think it's more so about, I think he was right about the fact that we can't just shut down the conversation on, like, we have to at least be open to the fact that we could, there could be nuance here that we don't like.

And I think that that I, there, so I agree with him in that sense of like, we need to at least approach having a conversation, not be like, no, no, no, no, nope, there's no conversation here.

We can't have it.

Like that kind of fucks us.

And I think yeah, if you can't have any conversation, it's a problem.

But like at the same time, talking to these fuckers, like

I mean, the place they're coming from is not genuine at all.

They could give two fucks.

Oh, yeah, that's fairness in sports.

They're in it because they can demonize people that are the most marginalized on the planet.

And talking to them like that's a like, oh, we're going to debate on this is fucking useless.

That's a waste of time.

I think the problem is with whatever, what always happens when Republicans put a culture war thing on is that we can't have the conversation because when you're explaining, you're losing.

And so they're like, this isn't fair.

And when you're in a vacuum, and you're like, Well, if this is a biological male playing against a biological female, there is an inherent physical advantage, but then you gotta, you go into like look what you were talking about.

And I think this is the problem with our politics of the way that we talk about it.

You can't sum it up in a tweet, you lost,

but that's the problem.

That's the problem.

And we, you know, and I think, like, these people are too goddamn stupid.

Like, it's just like, and hang on.

So, we've already spent more time on trans people in sports than is actually warranted in any political conversation.

So, like, we have to just stop because this is exactly exactly what they want.

That is,

I just don't like the right stand.

No, I get that.

But hang on.

So, the right to be a human with dignity

supersedes

the right to play sports.

The first sport is on the Epstein list.

Don't like, but if we,

that's what I'm saying.

The conversation is not going to fucking have it.

It's like a bullshit conversation.

It's a big one.

conversation.

I don't even need to talk about it.

And this is why I like where Newsom is right now, because

I did a video about this.

It was difficult.

I did like five takes because I was like, there's no way I'm not going to fuck this up.

But the fact is that we,

this is not my choice.

But when we look at the results, we have to put social justice in our pocket.

and take it with us everywhere we go.

That's kind of how I'm thinking about this.

We're not talking about it all of the fucking time because

they have systematically attacked.

I was looking at the hierarchy of needs.

They are attacking your sense of like RFK, your sense of food and water safety.

They're attacking your sense of physical safety, saying immigrants are going to murder you in the street.

They're going to steal your pets and eat them.

They are attacking your hierarchy of needs at the most fundamental physiological physical state to where now people are, they're not thinking about identity.

They're not thinking about camaraderie.

They have no empathy for other people.

Once you have gotten, once they have gotten you to that point where you think, I might be murdered by a refugee and somebody says, this trans girl can't play volleyball.

They go, I don't give a fuck about the trans girl playing volleyball because I think my refugee neighbor is going to kill me and eat my pets.

And they have done this so effectively that now we have to go and win.

on that level.

And I don't mean we got to play their

thing or play on their turf.

We have to get back to those basic issues of saying, no, you actually are better off physically and economically as a working human being in this country when you are taken care of with progressive economic policies.

You're more secure.

You're safer.

You're going to be happier.

Your kids are going to be safer and happier.

When we get people in that headspace, then they go, oh, you know what?

Maybe all these people who are different from me aren't actually a threat.

And that's, and we have to win that back.

And so like, we don't have to talk about other stuff because it's, it's not going to land with, with the people who were influenced by that, by the MAGA arguments.

There is one, there's one psychological 180 tweets that wasn't 180 characters.

Right.

Oh, I agree.

No, I agree.

We can't do that.

Well, here's the thing.

That's why we made his podcast because the TikTok videos weren't fucking long enough.

We need an hour and a half to yell about this shit.

But there is a psychological reason why Gavin Newsom does this and why what he's doing is smart is because what he's essentially doing is acknowledging that there might be a point to this and then moving on.

He doesn't dive in and go, let's get into the little details.

He deflates their argument by going, yeah, maybe there's an issue of fairness.

Next thing.

Like he doesn't devote a ton of time and attention to it, but at the very least, what he does is appease the psychology of the middle where they go, I don't know if I love this whole trans, you know, sports thing.

And then they just hear this guy go, eh, it's fun.

You know, maybe there's, maybe you've got something to do with it.

They're denying it.

Right.

Right.

You know, that's all it takes.

Like, because you're right.

Like, we do need to kind of put it in our pocket and move on, but you have to at least acknowledge it.

If you don't acknowledge it, you completely ignore it, you end up where Kamala Harris did.

And

that's how it got fucked.

I do think that there's a lot of truth to that because I think that Democrats, when they ignore things sometimes, it makes it seem like that they're not taking it seriously.

The best example I can give you is Al Gore.

And in 2009 and 10, when all of these

right-wing people, just saying, the same people who are talking about the trans issue were saying climate change is fake.

And they were saying, debate me, debate me.

And he wouldn't do it because he, and I understood the thing thing a lot at the time.

Right.

He basically said, it's below me.

I don't want to give oxygen to this.

But what it actually did was it created a vacuum.

Yes.

And so then all of a sudden everybody's like, why won't Al Gore debate?

If it's so obvious, why won't he do it?

And I think that was the beginning of the, of the sort of, you know, messaging

reality that we have now is like.

Unfortunately, and I think this is why Gavin's being successful is that on the gerrymandering thing, he's punching him right back in the mouth.

He's saying, oh, you're doing this?

Well, then I'm going to do it too.

But I'm only doing it because you're doing it.

And I'm also going to get the people on my side.

And I think that's the important message.

I think that we have to find a better message on the transit.

I agree.

Like, I think they should be allowed to play.

I don't give a, like, this whole thing is completely absurd.

Like, I do not care.

It's like not that many people.

Let them play.

Also, this, what's her name?

Riley Gaines or whatever the hell her name is.

Who's the swimmer?

Luke.

Oh, Riley Gaines is the swimmer.

Riley Gaines.

So if you want to know whether she's being altruistic or not with this and that this is what she really believes, do you know what she posted yesterday?

She was was in her car hawking ivermectin for people of course she was

of course she was for immunity to boost their kids immunity going back to school this is what she did so she

was a fifth place swimmer so like okay if you take the transaction for fifth place okay so even so if you take if you take out

if you take out the trans athlete she still finishes fifth she has now turned and by the way swimmers don't make any money like and other than like a little bit of sponsorship.

So like a fifth-place swimmer is not going to make anything.

She immediately turns to the right-wing grift.

It's the same goddamn thing that Kyle Rittenhouse did.

Second thing they are

murdered two people, got away with it, and then he goes on a tour.

So like part of this is also, I think, punching back at that shit.

It's like the second these assholes come out and attack somebody that's vulnerable, they turn around and they make a fucking profit off it.

And I think that's about the grossest thing that you could possibly do.

And that right there, where you ended it, Tim, that is what Democrats need to do.

When we bring up the transition or whatever issue, I say Trump is on the Epstein list.

Trump is a fucking rapist, according to the New York State's court of law.

An adjudicated rapist.

That is a fact.

Trump is an adjudicated rapist.

That is a fact.

That has been established.

That has been a finding by the courts, right?

What I'm doing is I'm not getting stuck playing defense or defending.

Instead, I'm imposing a cost on the other side.

The problem that Democrats have had, and that Al Gore, like, I think he did the right thing in not debating these people, what Al Gore should have done is gone, well, that motherfucker's paid by the oil industry.

Yep.

That motherfucker is getting paid to make sure that your kids grow up with lungs that are going to get cancer.

He shouldn't have said, no, here's why it's real.

He should have said, that guy's a piece of shit.

Here's why this guy wants your kids to die.

And that is what Gavin Newsom is doing with his trolling campaign.

He's not defending.

He's not getting stuck on defense.

He's not

sitting there trying to talk about why it's, you know, it's okay to screw over Republicans in the state of California because it's more fair for the United States.

He's just saying Republicans are fucking bad and we are trying to hurt them.

And that is why people are gravitating towards him.

I think because he's on offense.

There's a little bit of nuance difference.

Like, I think if you change the subject too aggressively, that comes off as defense.

Like if you say, if somebody tries to push an issue and you say, well, no, look over there, then they go, well, why am I looking over there?

We're talking about this right here.

You have to commit to the bit.

And that's why Donald Trump has dominated all conversations for 10 years.

No, it's true.

But Newsom is doing it differently.

Newsom is...

directing it right back at them and ratcheting it up a level in the in the category that they're talking about.

Like that, I think, is the critical thing that like Democrats do all the time that's not helpful.

Like let's not change the subject to divert to something that only the left gives a shit about.

Anyway, like

we need to be able to go toe-to-toe on an issue and then ratchet it up.

And that's why Newsom is being successful.

Well, I think it's two things because I think Chris is right.

Like with the Rila Gainstig or whatever her name is, it's like you talk about how she's hawking Ivor Beckton, full stop, because that's still part of that conversation.

It's like the person that you have put up on a pedestal that is pushing this view is doing it for money.

She's not doing it for moral reasons.

She's doing it for money.

And then on the Gavin thing, first of all, he waited for Texas, the Texas Democrats went out of state.

I'm sure there were conversations, and then it was like, oh, we have a landing for you to be able to go back to Texas.

Is I'm going to launch this thing.

It's all interconnected.

I agree.

If you go off, way off into the wilderness, that doesn't make any sense.

But if you go after the person and say, like, Kyle Rittenhouse is profiting off being a fucking murderer.

She is profiting off of being a transphobe.

And a shitty swimmer.

And a shitty swimmer.

You know, I mean, not a better than me, but still a shitty swimmer.

I think I would lose.

Is the more convincing message to the opposition.

That is the more like, that is going to flip the switch in their brain.

You have to convince them that this person is a loser, not that they're an asshole.

They don't care.

No, they love assholes.

They don't care if they're a loser.

Donald Trump didn't win those debates because he won on the merits.

He won on those debates because he made Marco Rubio look like a three-inch tall, like weakling.

And he like

Jeb.

And Jeb, he, you know, please clap Jeb, like ate him alive.

Like he, it wasn't like, I have a better tax policy than you, or I have a better way of like negotiating.

He was just like, no, fuck you.

I'm the strongest man in the room.

I'm going to make everybody look small.

That's why he won.

Like, I mean, he has the myth of the bullshit that he's a successful executive, which he's not, but like he had a show that showed that he was.

But like, and we had a conversation with a, with a, uh, a messaging strategist earlier today, some of it, not everybody here, but like, you know, some of the message testing they did last year to try to move men was to basically find

somebody that they could blame for something else, for their lot in life, like picking, and this is the same situation.

And it is an inherently like, it is a thing that is in every one of us that like people love to punch down.

And when there's somebody on the top of the mountain, that's the person they're going to follow.

It doesn't have anything to do with the policies.

I bet we could get a whole bunch of people that voted for Trump to vote for whoever in 2028 if they're basically like, fuck you, Republicans.

I guarantee you that they'll be crossover.

It's about energy matching.

And

I know that that's a thing that people are recognizing now.

like meet, you know, match the energy that somebody brings at you.

And bullies crumble when you match energy.

And like, we know that, but we didn't have that like concept to give to it.

And now I think people are starting to, we have that like mental model, as you might say in a workplace.

But we, we know how to think about it now.

And we think, oh, no, you've got to, you've got to meet this head on and you've got to match it.

You've got to stay in the lane.

Like you've just got to.

You've got to have this conversation.

You can't tiptoe around it.

And I think that's why Gavin is doing such a great job is because not only, like, do I think, I mean, let's be real clear.

Trans people are better off in the hands of Gavin Newsome than they are in the, in the hands of JD Vance or Rubio or whoever is going to run the rights.

So like

full stop.

So like we don't have to have a new, it's still going to be a binary choice, ultimately.

And so like, regardless of how we talk about it or whether we use the right words, trans people are going to have more rights under Gavin Newsom or Pete Buttigieg or whoever or Gretchen Whitmer, whoever we, whoever we choose.

But the why I love what he's doing right now is because

he is the candidate for the times right now.

He is energy matching.

He is showing up everywhere, whether it's the gerrymandering, whether it's the tweets, whether now it's the jacked AI images.

I

made one myself.

He was riding a bald eagle carrying Trump in his talons with an American flag in one hand and an assault rifle in the other.

It's the America we believe in.

You should put that in the Substack chat.

I'll throw it in there.

And

so he's matching that energy.

He's doing what needs to be done.

And frankly, I'm not seeing anyone else do that.

But let's also recognize that had Hillary Clinton tried this or had Kamala even tried this, I mean, her troll game was pretty strong.

But

it like had Clinton tried this,

she would have been obliterated by the press because she would have been lowering herself.

You know, she would have like, well, I can't believe you're dignifying, you know, this trash with a response.

And she would have been eviscerated by all of the major outlets because she would be lowering herself and

you know to to that level and even though he was getting a hall pass but now we all are there we're all there like everybody is there we all know how bad it is and how disgusting he is and it's like okay now we're ready to watch this fight play out in the mud and and vote for the fucking winner and that's and that's and that's right and that's what that's what i will be doing when 2026 and 2028 roll around and yes we will have elections for our office so i

you know i obviously i worked on the hope and change campaign, right?

And like one of the great, great experiences and the energy and everything about it was amazing.

That's dead.

Hope and change is dead.

I want somebody that is a fucking flamethrower coming out and just mowing everything in front of them down.

Yep.

I want them to go after this administration with their justice department.

I want them investigating every department.

The EPA is basically saying climate change is fake.

They're getting rid of all of the like all they're trying to get rid of as many regulations as they can, which basically will let coal spew into the air.

I want to fly.

I want to fight.

I want investigations into this White House.

I want Pam Body investigate.

I want them all.

And I will not vote for somebody who isn't like, these people have been fucking you over for 10 years.

Well, it's decades now.

And it is time for a completely new vision.

So if somebody can come out with the fucking Horowitz or whatever that thing, that old machine gunning thing is, mow everything down and say, like, there is a new path forward.

I think that person's going to, I think that person's got a great shot at being the next president.

We need words.

So, like, they had hope and change.

I would like our listeners, come, come, you know, go to our sub stack or YouTube channel.

Um, give us the new words for hope and change that are the like, you know, like, this is like blood and bile.

Like, we need, like, what are the new words for blood and bile?

What is going to be on the battlefield after we've won this?

Like, think of those words and put them in the comments.

Man, yeah.

I mean, yeah.

I mean, I thought Congressman Kesar, if this is not the right term, but I loved his

peaceful but pissed comment, which I think is a good, it's not the right messaging for a presidential campaign, but like, I think it's, but I think it's representative of our side.

Like, everybody is angry, but we also do not get violent.

Like, I mean, most political violence in this country is right-wing.

And I think NHS.

It's all lefties.

Right.

All radical left, lunatic, trans.

My Antifa buddies.

Okay,

right.

All those, all those Antifa people that no one ever was able to identify.

But I just, I, I, I don't want to hear hope and change.

I don't want to like, we are not there.

Everybody tells me status quo, I'll slap him upside the fucking.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

And I agree.

If a Democrat's just like, I'm just going to reverse everything Trump did, that's not the right answer either.

No, I don't want to go back to that.

Yeah.

No, because it didn't work.

I've been reading

a new sub stack that I just came across.

A writer named Evelyn Quartz.

And she talks about how

Democrats and liberals have been playing kind of like the old game.

And

the Republicans that the Democrats have like welcomed into the party in the name of fighting Trump have been all fighting for the same thing.

And that is conservative,

what is gone, what is in the past, what we're longing for, right?

Democrats in many ways have become, and I mean DNC Democrats, have become the, we want to make America great, but not use those words again, right?

We want to go back into the past.

We want to restore what was lost.

We need to be more forward-looking than that.

And I think that forward-looking involves breaking the rules as they are today.

We should not allow a filibuster to stop us from making DC a state.

Like full stop.

We should do, in fact, if every Democrat takes either the House, if Democrats take either the House

or Senate and the presidency, they should figure out a way to eject Republicans from being able to vote and make DC a state.

Like we should just do breaking the rules, power grabs.

Another brilliant creator who I've seen, Tad Stormer,

he's on TikTok.

He's also on Substack.

He's been talking about how the

post-Civil War

amendments got passed.

And that's because the radical Republicans were just like, well, guess what?

The Democrats aren't here today.

So we're voting to make sure that everyone born in the United States now has citizenship.

That's how these laws got passed.

That is against the Constitution.

But that is how we save democracy by saying, fuck the fascists.

They don't get to play our game.

We are going to run them over.

And that's what I want to see in a Democratic

candidate, whether it's for the House, the Senate, fucking dog catcher, or president.

Well, I think that I think Donald Trump's actually given us an opening on statehood because of what he's done in D.C.

The only reason that they have been able to send the military in there is because D.C.

is controlled by the federal government.

I think it is a very, very easy case to be made now is if you don't want military intervention in our streets, you start with making D.C.

a state.

You give him a governor, two senators, a representative that actually can vote, and then they can't do it anymore.

You do the same thing in Puerto Rico, where I think you have to give them the chance to vote for that.

We know in D.C.

that everybody wants it, but it's a little more complicated in Puerto Rico.

Give them the opportunity.

I actually think you should do it for every fucking territory that we've got.

Why isn't Guam a country?

Virgin Islands.

We own them and they don't get representation.

Why?

Like.

Do them all.

Like, I don't care.

Like, and honestly, like, we should.

If we are a true representative democracy, they they have to have the right to vote.

And right now, D.C.

doesn't have that.

I lived in D.C.

for 10 years.

Like, I could vote for president, and then I could vote for Eleanor Horms Norton, who is a non-voting delegate.

So who gives a shit about that?

And

a city council that can only do a certain amount, and a mayor that can only do a certain amount.

Why are they excluded from this other than the fact that it is two guaranteed Democratic senators and one guaranteed

Democratic Congress?

For the only reason.

Well,

there were some Republicans a few years ago that were were for there was like a there was going to be a compromise where I think they were going to give them the House of Representatives.

It was going to be a voting delegate and that they were going to give Utah an additional district.

But at this point, fuck them.

Like they should, we should, if we get 50 senators,

nuke the filibuster,

get those states in and basically just give the double fingers like Mitch McConnell did when he refused to have hearings on Merrick Garland.

It's no different.

No, I think, I mean,

if

it was Newsom or Buttigeg or or whoever it's going to be,

imagine them coming in and just saying, writing an executive order and signing it that just says the Electoral College is not real anymore.

Make them win in court.

Stop fucking breaking the rules.

Stop pretending the rules matter anymore.

They don't.

And he's gotten success not because he writes the thing and then they do the thing, but because he writes the thing and he forces them in court on their heels to defend it slowly but surely.

And then he gets 20%, 30% progress on that thing.

Like he, he is closer on birthright citizenship.

And more importantly to him, he has pushed the envelope more broadly on all things immigration and deportation because the very first thing he did was drew that completely fucking batshit line in the sand of saying an amendment is not real.

I'm making people not citizens anymore.

And everyone said, What the fuck are you talking about?

I think even our best friend on

TikTok, the older millennial, posted a video about how that was such a genius, and we're not saying his name again, how that was such a genius move because liberals took the bait and we're all complaining about birthright citizenship.

And he said, of course, the courts are going to strike down this executive order, but he's buying himself time.

He's providing air cover for all this other shit he wanted to do.

And it's like, okay, well, you might not be right.

I think he does want to get rid of birthright citizenship, but he probably knew.

People around him certainly told him

there's a high likelihood that even the Supreme Court is going to look at this dumb executive order and be like, are you fucking kidding me right now?

And that's what's happened.

Like so far, it's still not real.

And it probably, hopefully, I don't think can ever be real because it's just too literal in how he wrote it.

But it helped him make a lot of progress everywhere else.

So if we did the same thing with...

with voting rights, with women's rights, with the Electoral College, with maybe equal apportionment of electoral votes, if we can't get rid of the Electoral College, there is something in between, right, choice voting.

There are things in between where we're at now and where we want to go.

And by drawing the line in the sand and saying this is where we want to go ultimately, but we will, we will settle for halfway for now if that's what it comes to.

At least people know what you're out there fighting for.

I think there's one.

I'm just trying to map all this out in my head now because I agree with all this stuff today.

Like it makes sense.

It makes perfect sense in 2025 that this is, we got to get angry and fight back news and tactics.

I think by the time 2028 runs around, this would be a losing strategy because people are so fucking sick of that sort of strategy that if Democrats go, we're going to do the same shit Trump did just for four weeks, they'd be like, no, please don't do that.

Can you please like, I think the whole restore some sanity to the situation will become a very successful model three years from now.

It's not going to be now.

I mean, think about it like in 2018, was Joe Biden the guy?

You're like, he's going to take on Donald Trump.

Fuck no.

But COVID completely changed the territory.

And everyone, no, no, I need the safe dude.

Please, God, give me the safe old man.

We have no clue what the terrain is going to be like in 28.

I think for 25, absolutely.

For the midterms, absolutely.

Well, the midterms are going going to determine that.

How successful are we in litigating this horseshit in the second two years of this term?

Because if we can just, if it's just impeachment hearing after impeachment hearing for two years and he is just fucking losing his mind on the internet, but he can't do anything because he can't get a bill to his desk that isn't like Donald Trump's going to prison.

Like, that's going to be every bill that they send him once we take back Congress and

hopefully the Senate too.

But even if we just take back the House with a 20, 30, 40 vote majority, like it's going to be a bloodbath for his agenda.

And he knows that.

And that's why he's fighting everything between now and then.

But if we can do that and we actually don't lose our backbone in those ensuing two years, then I agree 2028 will be a time of like, let's seal this deal and do the thing that we need to do.

But it's not going to be going back 10 years.

It's not going to be going back to the 90s or the 80s.

This is going to be a new era where

we erase all of the horrific shit he did and then we rebuild fucking walls 10 times higher so that people like him can't fucking do it again.

Oh, for sure.

Yeah.

Policy-wise, it'll be a really hard shift left.

I think.

I think 28, no matter what happens, is going to be like, it must be progressive or bust because that's how you get working class voters, but that's a whole separate thing.

That should be our next episode.

Yeah.

Well, guys, I think it is time.

for everybody's favorite segment.

And I figured out a better way to introduce it.

Thanks to my wife, who listened in mild horror last week when I introduced this.

So, ladies and gentlemen.

That was really funny, though.

It was funny.

That was really funny.

It really was funny.

I didn't mean to do it.

It just was sort of, and then I came out of my mouth and I went, oh, that doesn't work.

Getting fucked by Luke.

Ladies and gentlemen, get ready for Get Fucked.

Presented by Luke.

You know, I had somebody else in mind when I started this recording, but then Tim dropped a name as we were recording, and I've been sitting here seething the whole fucking time.

So I'd like to invite that geriatric son of a fucking tortoise, turtle fucking throated

son of a fuck

Mitch McConnell to go ahead and get fucked.

Because he has successfully, so many issues with today can go so far back, and they trace directly back to that motherfucker.

So can someone find his last fucking horrux or throw his ring into the fires of a fucking volcano so we can be rid of that piece of shit.

God, I hate him.

No Harry Potter references, though.

We need a new word for Horcrux.

It'll work.

I'll take it.

God, I hate him.

Well, he's leaving, right?

He's finishing the term.

Well, it's almost like he's older than sliced bread.

Oh, wait.

He is.

He literally is.

He might be.

He's literally older than sliced bread.

He is honestly like first,

he is a very, very good politician, and he has done tremendous damage to this country.

There is no doubt about it.

Fucking worst.

I mean, we would have Justice Garland if it wasn't for him.

And we'd be in a 5-4 situation rather than a 6-3.

So yeah, I'm totally on board with that.

And also, there's this really lovely photo of him standing in front of a Confederate flag back in the day, which is surprising

who he is.

What's AI?

He's an American.

It's AI.

It's fake news.

I think I saw this photo a little before AI, but yeah, it's a lot of people.

That's something the deep state wants you to believe, Tim.

Exactly, exactly.

And I'm just part of the deep state, even though I have no power in the government whatsoever.

But I don't know.

Anyways,

anyways, I think we have, we have

a good note to wrap on.

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You're going to get off.

Let's get off.

Oh,

God.

Billy.

I'm done.

I'm going to mute myself.

All right.

Bye, everybody.

Bye-bye.