Why Republicans Fear Democracy

Hey, everybody.

Welcome back to the Find Out podcast.

We have a great show for you today.

Joining us is

Louisiana Congressman Cleo Fields from Louisiana's 6th District.

He is in his first term in Congress in this district, but he was also a member of Congress in the 90s for a couple terms.

So, Congressman, thank you for joining us today.

Oh, it's good to be with you, Tim.

I've been hearing so much about your show, so it's just an honor to be on it.

Oh, well, thank you very much, and we are very excited to have you as well.

I think, first, for our listeners, because as we were talking before, we haven't had a lot of Southern Democrats on, but we'd love to hear a little bit about your district.

Like, who do you represent and where in Louisiana?

Louise, it's the sixth congressional district.

It comprises of 10 parishes, East Baton Rouge, West Baton Rouge, Poinkapea,

St.

Landry, Avoils, Rapes,

Natchitoches, on up to DeSota and

Cattle.

So it's

10 parishes as runs from like the center of the district all the way to the Nogan part of the district.

That's great.

That's great.

And, you know, we were talking before.

I just mentioned that you were a member of Congress in the 90s for two terms, I believe.

And then this is your first term coming back.

Just curious, what is the difference that you have seen?

Because a lot of people in Congress, well, a lot of them were there in the 90s still, but like it has changed quite a bit.

And I'm curious from your perspective, since you've been back for about eight months now.

What is the difference that you've seen compared to the first time you were in Congress?

Well, the biggest difference is besides technology.

I mean, back when I was here 32 years ago, the technology, everybody used a beeper.

When it was time to vote, beepers would go off and members would

go to the floor and vote.

Other than that, it's much more partisan now than it was back then.

Back then,

I served under Speaker Tom Foley and under Newt Gendrick, both a Democrat and a Republican.

But I vividly remembered when Tom Foley was Speaker of the House, he would say to us, because we would, you know, we would tease him a little bit and say,

why are you spending so much time with the Republicans?

And he would say, they have as much right to hear from me as you do.

I mean, I'm your leader, but at the end of the day, they have a right to be in Congress.

They should be spoken to.

That doesn't take place anymore.

It is really divided based on party line.

And Democrats don't talk to Republicans.

Republicans, for the most part, don't talk to Democrats.

It is a truly divided Congress.

So

that's, and then the other thing, President, you know, I only served under a Democratic president.

I've never had a president to really control Congress.

I mean, when President Clinton was president, I mean, we had vigorous debates.

We had debated NAFTA.

You know, I was against it, but respectfully, and the president, you know, pulled me into the over office and said, Cleo, my presidency depends on it.

And I said to him that, you know, look, I got people in the district who depend on these jobs.

I eventually voted against it.

And

after passed, I lost the jobs, but it was a fair debate.

Just like the crime bill, I stood up to the president and said, look, I can't be for the crime bill.

Here again, my presidency depends on it.

I voted against it.

Many of the things I thought would happen happen.

It's a big difference now.

When a president says something, it's like golden.

I mean, every member of his party just follows suit.

You know, and I tell people, you know, not only in my district, but across the country, I don't represent the president.

You know, I represent people of the sixth congressional district.

And, you know, that's a big difference.

People here, they come here, they think they represent the president.

And I just think that's a very unfortunate, very unfortunate thing.

Did you have any relationship with the

speaker before you were elected this most recent time?

I'm wondering if you've noticed a change

as someone from Louisiana in who he is, who he used to be,

and what it's like to be part of the Louisiana delegation now.

Well, I mean, look, first of all, your first question, I really didn't know Speaker Johnson.

I never served in the legislature with him.

He served after I had left,

but I knew of him.

But he and I, we never had a relationship while he was a state lawmaker.

And so,

in a real sense, the first time I've really introduced myself to him was when I was elected

to the House.

I just think that, you know, you take people, members of Congress from Louisiana, you know, this big, ugly bill we just passed, that's going to be devastating to our state.

And I just can't see how members of Congress can sell

such

a drastic bill that impacts so many people in the state.

For example, we are an expansion state.

We got 1.6 million people on Medicaid,

about 260,000 will lose their benefits.

I just don't understand it.

We got 800 and some thousand people on SNAP

that benefits from SNAP benefits.

And they were crafty when they drew the bill, when they drew it up.

They basically said none of these

cuts will take effect until after the midterm election.

But we are very clear to our constituents, these cuts are real.

They're coming.

Real hospitals, for example, in Louisiana will close because people won't be able to support them because they're going to lose their health care benefits.

It's a terrible bill.

And I won't dignify it by saying it's a big, beautiful bill.

It's a big, ugly bill.

And it was ugly yesterday.

It's ugly today.

And it's going to be even uglier tomorrow.

And I have advocated strongly against it.

So we understand that the speaker is coming for your constituents.

Now, how have your constituents been reacting to that?

And

I think that most of our listeners don't know what we're talking about.

There's been so much attention to the redistricting in Texas.

Can you tell us what's going on in your state?

Well, I mean,

the president, I mean, the president basically is, you know, he's, you know, the king.

And we all supposed to bow down and do what he say, do when he say do it, and how often he say do it.

At the end of the day, a group of legislators were called into Washington.

They met with the president.

The president said, you know, I suspect, he said, I need that seat in Louisiana.

And it's kind of,

you know, draconian because Louisiana is right now before the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court has

opined that they're going to hear the case for a second time on the 15th of October.

Though the Louisiana legislature has not been called in the session,

a notice has been sent to all the members of the House and the Senate to keep their

calendars clear for October because there may be a special session.

And we are told that the special session will deal with redistricting on the congressional level.

I just think this is a bad, bad precedent that the president of the United States of America is

setting in our nation.

You know, who does that?

Who says, I need five more Republican seats?

Let me call up a governor and have him to do it.

I mean, that's just,

that's draconian at best.

Redistricting is for, you know, every

10 years, states should redistrict because the Constitution provides that we can't have but so many people in our respective districts based on the 435 that are divided up across the country.

And then 60 years ago, we started a Voting Rights Act because, you know, minority voters were being discriminated against.

They were being, particularly in the southern part of our country,

their vote didn't count as much.

And so the Justice Department and the Congress passed a bill that said the Justice Department shall step in and review all actions of these 10 states, Louisiana being one of them.

And then they did away with Subsection 5, but we still have Subsection 2.

it is illegal uh to buy to to dilute minority voting strength and uh and that's exactly what they're attempting to do in texas and um and probably is going to come forth you'll probably be hearing about it in louisiana as well well and i just to for our listeners uh so this district correct me if i'm wrong congressman was originally the supreme court ordered

Louisiana to add a second

minority majority district.

Am I not correct in that?

And that's how your district revisited.

What happened was

the old plan, a lawsuit was filed against it.

And the district court agreed with the plaintiffs and said, no, you're right.

You know, Louisiana, according to the 20 census, Louisiana increased in minority population and decreased in majority population.

Louisiana's population is over a third black.

Over 33% of Louisiana population is black.

So the court says, listen, you can't get away with that any longer.

You got one congressional district that provides a minority and opportunity to be elected.

That's wrong.

And so the court said, your plan is invalidated.

And it not only did it

on the district level, but the appeals court did the same, you know, and then they tried to get some relief from the Supreme Court.

And the Supreme Court said, no, we'll take the case later.

Y'all got to comply with, you know, what the district court and the appeals court have opined.

And that's how we ended up in the Supreme Court because this plan took effect.

And then several white plaintiffs filed a lawsuit saying that their 14th Amendment rights are violated because of the creation of the plan.

And thus we're in the Supreme Court.

And when do you, first of all, that is.

I will say it completely, completely absurd.

And I just want to let folks know that your district, I believe, is 55% black, correct?

Actually, it's 50 is 53%.

It is the most diverse district, you know, in the state.

I mean,

and look, when I, this is not my first rodeo.

I've been down this road before.

You know, every, there's, and I was telling a group of people on yesterday, there's not a single day I have served in Congress where the district which I represented was not under attack.

You know, and I mean, look, you got a third of your population black, got six six members of Congress, you can draw a district that's compact with two members of Congress.

Why are we debating this?

You know, and to actually go back

and put that legislature back into session to

debate redistricting is just counterproductive to everything Louisiana should be standing for.

Yeah, and I think that, you know, also it's, I mean, it's just, this has never been done.

I think people need to understand because you hear a lot of people saying, well, states like Illinois are gerrymandered and all this sort of stuff.

And the answer to that is yes, but like that is done every 10 years with the census as required by the Constitution.

There is no constitutional requirement or anything in it about this

mid-decade gerrymandering other than for strictly partisan reasons that Donald Trump knows that

traditional.

He's afraid.

And he knows traditionally like the party in power

in the midterms loses seats.

And I think in particular, this bill, right, is very unpopular.

And I'm going to guess, Congressman, that that bill is incredibly unpopular in your district as well.

Oh, absolutely.

You know, I've held

several town hall meetings and people flock to the town hall meetings and people of all races, of all ages, and they're terrified.

I mean, they are, they are, you know, and many members of Congress are not holding town hall meetings on the other side.

And so

their constituents, many of their constituents actually come to my town hall meetings to voice their frustrations and concern and i stand there and i listen to it uh

because because you know i i i if i if i can represent them too in congress i will i would but uh it town halls are just on fire all across the country i think uh and that's the reason why

the president is so adamant about getting more seats because he know knows what is going to take place in the midterm because people are fed up.

You know,

we increased the deficit by $3 trillion and gave the riches of the rich people a tax break on the backs of poor people, taking away their Medicaid.

That's unconscionable.

It should not happen.

And I think the people can't wait to get to the polls to correct it because they have always lived in a country where there were three branches of government and they were equal and no branch was was over the other.

And now they see one branch of government that's controlling everything, controlling the legislative branch

and to some degree controlling the judicial branch.

And people,

if they wanted to be in a dictatorship, they would have moved to Russia.

I mean, they live here in America and they want the freedoms.

People who have served in our military have fought for these freedoms.

And I just think the people are going to go to the polls in November and they're going to send a real strong message.

And that's why the president is dialing up governors and insisting that

they reapportion their respective states.

Now, what do you think, Congressman, of the way that

Democrat leaders around the country have responded like Gavin Newsom?

Damn it, you stole my question.

Listeners of the show know where I stand on this.

And Luke, if you want to kind of talk about your feelings.

Well, I mean, I've I've said from from day one,

I don't believe fighting fire with fire.

I believe fighting fire with water.

Because when you fight fire with fire, you start another fire.

When you fight it with water, you put it out.

But listen, you know, Democrats can't sit back and just take it, you know, all the time.

We've been taking it for too long.

I mean, I wish I could say there were other options, you know, but this is just crazy when a president, you know, first he called the Secretary of State, I think, in Georgia, said, give me some votes.

Now he's calling state saying, give me votes again.

Give me members of Congress

so I can continue to run this train down this track.

Look,

it's not going to stop.

I mean, Gavin Newsom took the position, you take out Democrats, Democrats, I'm going to take out Republicans.

I just think that's, that's, that's, that's,

it's not going to lead to any sanity in our country.

Uh, but, but, but look, I can't blame him because

it is what it is.

You know, sometimes, you know, my mom taught me, you know, bless her, so

the best way to deal with a built bully is just stand up to him, you know, and

governors are standing up to him and good for them, you know,

because this is, but, but, but where do we find ourselves in the country in the future?

You know, we got mass federal agents, you know, stopping people on the side of the road,

not identifying themselves as police officer,

police officers, and arresting them and putting them away and not even charging them.

That's, we're better than that.

I mean, but you know,

and the president really understands the power of Congress.

And that's why he has taken the route that he's taken.

And look, kudos to Gavin

Newsom, and kudos to

the governor

of Illinois as well, Pritzer.

Look,

we got to stop this madness, and we got to stop it some kind of way.

My attitude is you stop it at the voting booth, and you stop it in November.

Yeah, and just to let people know the outrageousness of what's happening in Louisiana, correct me if I'm wrong, Congressman, but

if the Supreme Court rules in favor of dismantling this district, a lot of those,

where do those voters go, right?

Like, I believe a lot of them would actually end up in Speaker Johnson's district, right?

Which essentially means that their voice will be neutered because he will not listen to anything that your constituents who would theoretically move would he would not listen to them at all, I am assuming.

Yeah, if they nullify the district, and I can't see how they do it, but if they do,

I mean, then they would redistrict.

The legislature will be called into session to redistrict the lines.

And ultimately, the legislature will make the determination as to what the lines look like.

I just think that, you know, if Louisiana go down that road, and it appears that they are,

that's a dangerous precedent

in and of itself.

And they

might need to be careful because they may not get the desired results that they're seeking.

Because I just think people are mobilized now.

People

want to be heard in their U.S.

Congress.

And

drawing lines won't keep them from doing that.

It's not like a magic light switch that flips and suddenly the seat's taken.

Like, you still got to, you got to win.

And people aren't just going to take it lying down.

That's right.

That's right.

And I'm feeling that all over the country, quite frankly.

Yeah, I think we've talked to a lot of folks.

We've talked to Congressman Kesar in Texas and a state rep,

Inojosa in Texas, about just the rage that I think constituents are feeling because, I mean, it's not even hyperbolic to say that like that

they are taking power away from people in order to build their own power around

legislation that they pass and executive orders that they issue that are incredibly unpopular.

I think you mentioned the ICE agents who are masked and don't identify themselves.

This is not what a democracy does.

I think it's exactly what you said.

This is what you would expect this in Russia with like a unmarked van shoving people in and taking away.

And

I think it's great to hear that your constituents are very, very concerned and angry about it.

And I do think it could serve as

a voter turnout explosion in a way that wouldn't work very well for them as well

oh i i agree and i don't care how they change the lines i mean i just don't see the president's the president winning in november i just don't see him winning the majority in november i don't care how they change the lines uh it i i don't see it happening i think people just fed up with

with you know lack of a better word the foolishness i mean people ready for a sane uh society that they have, you know, been a party part of for years.

This is insane what we're doing today.

And,

you know, hopefully the courts will end some of it.

But, you know, once we elect a new Congress, the new Congress will definitely end a lot of it.

So, Congressman,

what do you see as the day after?

If the best case scenario happens, if the redistricting does not happen the way that the Republicans want it to, democracy

works, ICE agents are not intimidating voters around the country, right?

Let's say Democrats take the House and even take the Senate.

What do you see the second two years of this Trump presidency being?

Is there going to be an opportunity to

disincentivize this bad behavior?

Because I think that the last 10 years

or so have proven to me that to,

you know, Michelle Obama, I love her as a person, but the advice that she gave us of when they go low, we go high, that hasn't seemed to work.

It seems like every time we go high, they go lower.

And I personally am of the opinion that we need to start imposing costs.

on these fascists, on these people who are stripping the rights, specifically of the most vulnerable minorities around the country with with the intent to make their lives miserable.

It's not simply a game of power.

It's to hurt people.

So what are Democrats going to do if, in the best case scenario, they get not just the House, but the Senate next year?

I think best case scenario, Democrats are going to roll back a lot of the

policies that the Trump administration has put in place, quite frankly.

And I don't think they're they're going to do it

in a slow motion type manner.

I think they're going to do it from day one,

because I think depending on how the vote turns out, it's going to be a mandate.

I believe that there is going to be a mandate from the voters

to silence a lot of this madness.

I mean, who, you know, right now, the president doesn't believe in diversity, equity, and inclusion.

I never thought I would dream to be in and

live in a day where a president of the United States of America actually signs an executive order saying,

I want to do away with all diversity, all equity, and all inclusion.

I mean, how draconian can you be?

You know, our military, which is the finest fighting force in the world,

you know, they are diverse, you know, and didn't make them worse, it made them better, you know.

Universities, I mean,

we have to, look,

some people don't think we can wait until November, you know, but you know,

absent the courts, we have to.

But I don't think you're going to see any hesitation from Democrats once they get control of this will.

and really slow this president down and put this

country back on the right course.

And I don't think they're going to be bashful about it.

I think you're right.

And I have been one of the members who have spoke very loudly about we have to be the adults in a room.

Let us not do it this way.

Let us do it that way.

But at the end of the day, you know, I think we have seen so much pain and suffering from,

you know, from the least of the.

that we have to fix it and we got to fix it right away.

And I think that's what you're going to see from the Democrats come, you know, the next session of Congress.

I'm very happy to hear that.

And I think for our audience, you touched on it a little bit.

The DEI stuff, by the way, also businesses who institute DEI policies drive stronger revenues because it works.

It's the same, like you said, it works in universities.

It works in the private sector.

And it's actually anti-business to be against DEI, which is an infuriating thing.

But this president seems to be hell-bent on vengeance rather than solving.

Are you suggesting that the guy who bankrupted a casino doesn't know how business works?

That he doesn't know that diversity is good for a business?

I will say that I think the guy who played a businessman on TV is not who we have as president.

That is for sure.

But, Congressman, I want to ask,

on the Supreme Court case, are there things that our listeners could do?

right now?

Like, you know, we have folks all across the country.

They're always looking for action.

Always looking for things to do.

Is there anything that they can do to support you and making sure that

the Supreme Court hears your position and rules in the way that it should?

Is there anything they can do?

Yeah, I mean, I hear it all the time in town hall meetings.

People want to do something, you know, and we always give people a call to action, tell them what we think they can do.

I mean, obviously, they can call their members of Congress.

They can, you know, every person have two U.S.

senators.

They can call both of them.

And I say to people when I have town hall meetings,

if I'm not your Congressman, call your Congressman.

So they certainly can call their members of Congress.

I'm at my congressional office, so I can't do any kind of pledge.

But you can always go to CleoFields.com, you know.

But do something.

You know, every single person needs to do something no matter where you are,

where you live,

you can do something.

And because it's going to take everybody getting into action to change the trajectory of this country.

Well, Congressman, I think that is all the time we have today, but thank you very much for coming on and being a champion of working people.

And if our audience is, you know, while you are still listening, please go to CleoFields.com to learn.

I'm still getting used to playing a reporter, Congressman.

So you got to bear with me.

I'm like a political hack that's now asking questions.

But I want to thank you for coming on.

I want everyone to go to your website and support you in any way you can.

We will have you back on after the ruling, and we can talk about next steps.

But we appreciate you being in this fight, and we wish you all the luck moving forward.

Thank you, Tim.

Thanks, Chris.

All right.

Thank you all.

Take care.

All right.

That was Congressman Fields.

It was really great to have him on.

I actually didn't know that the Louisiana case was going on, and it just shows that Republicans are going to go across the country to essentially take away votes from Democrats, in particular, Democrats of color.

As the congressman said, his district is 53%

black, and a lot of them would go to Bike Johnson's district, where, of course, he will do jack shit for any of them.

So, yeah.

I think

our everybody's favorite segment is going to feature a certain speaker of the house this week.

But we got a couple other things that we want to talk about.

We got a couple other things we want to get to because there's been a lot of stuff in the news, but we're going to start, we're going to keep going with gerrymandering in Texas, where

the Texas Republicans were requiring

the Democrats who have returned to the state to sign documents allowing the police to escort them off the grounds of the Capitol and back, essentially to make sure that they don't leave again.

And one Congress and one state rep refused, and they locked her in the chamber.

There's that party a fiscal responsibility.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And would you be shocked to know that that woman is a person of color?

No,

she didn't do this too.

And if you look online, there's pictures of her literally like sleeping in the chambers with like a blanket.

And,

you know, and I think some other members also joined her, possibly.

And there were some really amazing creators on the ground, a couple of women in particular, which I'm unfortunately spacing on the names, that really gave attention to this issue.

And I think it's important to highlight the work that these women have done to make sure that everybody knows this story.

So we want to give them a lot of kudos.

But

yeah, this is what Republicans do now.

They are trying to lock or I guess detain members of the opposing party.

in order to get what they want.

They're not fascists.

Seemed like a good strategy.

Yeah, not fascist.

No.

I just think that it's just so on the nose that the Republicans have to be doing this on purpose.

They're like,

they think

they know

that literally locking a black woman up is going to get them votes.

They know that their base is excited by the idea.

or the ideas of misogyny and racism and that is why they're allowing uh the the optics to exist like this.

You know, this is

exactly like, you know, it's the same idea, the same logic as deploying the National Guard from former Confederate states, the militia from former Confederate states to Washington, D.C.

to patrol and intimidate black neighborhoods.

This is

all a through line for them.

And just so I did not say her name because I wanted to to make sure I got it right.

It is Nicole Collier, the representative from the Fort Worth area that was essentially detained.

So if you want to go support her, you can Google her and do that.

But yeah, Chris, you're right.

I mean, this goes along with, like you said, like National Guard from West Virginia and I think South Carolina were called to DC.

And by the way, if you look at any of the photos and videos coming out of DC, most of these people are just sitting around doing

fuck all.

I actually had a question on that, and I think it goes to Chris.

I read online that they've not been given like specific orders that's kind of just sit around and do fuck all.

And I also read, but I couldn't find like a good source on it, is that there's no payment that goes out if there's not a specific order involved.

Is that true?

So anytime that they're activated, they're going to get paid for their time.

What typically happens with the National Guard is if you're on orders for longer than 30 days, like basically a month or longer, then you get an additional pay.

It's recognized as kind of a hardship.

So

and this isn't just a Trump thing.

The Democratic presidents do it as well.

When there's natural disasters, they make sure that the National Guard is only active, or governors and presidents make sure the National Guard is only activated for like 28 days and then they rush them all.

So this is a way that troops get fucked, no matter who is president, no matter who is governor.

So we can expect more of that.

But as far as not receiving specific orders,

I just did a video on this yesterday, kind of explaining why the dismissive comments that I'm seeing and the dismissive reporting that I'm seeing of like, oh, they're only patrolling the safest neighborhoods, the tourist areas.

That's because what the orders are is to conduct a presence patrol.

The vast majority of what I did in Iraq was a presence patrol.

Like

every day, you're not going and kicking down doors doing raids, right?

That is not what a sustained occupation looks like.

A presence patrol is you're wearing all your gear, you drive your big armored vehicle into the middle of a city, and then you walk around.

And you look scary.

Your presence.

Yeah.

Your presence is both.

a threat to your perceived enemies saying, hey, we're big, we're bad motherfuckers, and we'll take you out if you, if you fuck with us.

And it's to communicate

reassurance to your allies.

So in the case of DC specifically,

the communicated threat is in front of the tourist areas because a photo of a National Guardsman in front of the National Mall or in front of the Washington Monument or Congress or the White House, that communicates the threat more broadly than it does

a National Guardsman hanging out in the Navy yard where the average American is not going to recognize the building behind them.

Right.

And the second thing is by the National Guard being so present and getting so much visibility, that is allowing ICE and the rest of these masked thugs

on the outskirts of that area to engage in more violence because they feel reassured.

They're like, we have the backing of the military, so we can go ahead and beat the fuck out of americans and and violate their uh first amendment violate all of their constitutional rights that's just it i did a video on this monday i think where i had seen that there's like several reports now of ice impersonators grabbing women and kidnapping and assaulting them and i asked the like in the video i asked the slack jod fuckwits that watch my videos to explain to me where the difference is between that and what ice is doing because there's no identification they don't show warrants They don't show badges.

They don't show their face.

They come in, they scream and shout like fucking cartel kidnappers.

And there's no fucking difference.

So, like, how, how?

And because I saw it so often on like the conservative fucking cesspool online that, you know, the women should have known the difference between the impersonators and real ICE.

How?

What the fuck is the difference?

There's no difference.

But they really spun into that one real hard.

When the cops came and arrested the conservative tick tock hero the elder millennial and he peed his pants they can't stop peeing i can't stop peeing

well they were wearing police uniforms the elder millennial gets the respect you know because because he's a white guy because he's a piece of

that that other americans do not um and i just i just want to reiterate that the elder millennial peed himself

several times we need to stop we need to for those

for those listeners who are not perpetually on TikTok, we have to explain who this is.

So elder millennial.

Sack of shit, who is perpetually alive

all the fucking time.

His handle is the older millennial.

He's been banned countless times.

I think he's finally got himself a verified account, though, so he's safe from banning.

But he spreads possibly the most heinous shit, and it goes really fucking viral.

I mean, normally most of his shit goes viral because some liberal TikToker stomps the ever-loving ever-loving fuck out of him and then a bunch of people go to watch the original video.

But he is a major piece of shit.

But as a lot of major pieces of shit do, he was in a little trouble with the law.

I think it was a parole violation that they were looking for him for.

And he was on the run staying at an Airbnb, having a few drinky poos.

And the cops finally found him.

And he was in like the backyard.

as is very common on the uh well just comply motherfuckers he did not just comply he attempted to flee and they finally got him.

And I think, did they tase him, Chris?

I think they tased him.

I think they tased him.

He got tased.

He got tased.

To be clear, he is absolutely pissed drunk.

And after he's been tased, he's laying on the ground and he's talking about how he can't stop peeing himself, just can't stop peeing.

And it is the funniest fucking thing you will ever see.

Well, and it's great is like two days later, he went back to producing videos about just comply and and you

can't be done.

They have no fucking shame.

Well, but that's, but they know, but the thing is, yes, they don't have any shame, but they also know that like that it works when you talk to other MAGAs and you say to everyone who is,

especially a white male, yeah, you just comply because nothing's going to happen to you.

But like, you know, there are so many instances of people of color just all across the country

complying and it doesn't matter.

Are complying and they're getting, let's say, a knee on the neck, or they're getting

tell me, just comply, I'm going to punch you in the throat because that's some racist shit.

That is a racist dog whistle.

You've got, you know, the South Carolina police officer who shot the black man in the back as he was running away.

So, like, all of these things about just comply, it's just a dog whistle, right?

It's just like it.

You're telling people of color.

Shut up.

That's all it is.

It's victim blaming.

But when they do it, you know, older millennial is like literally, well, tried,

tried to run from the war.

he didn't get very far.

Uh, and uh, we're laughing because he, he,

he is so absurd and so vicious,

garbage person.

At one point, he argued for uh disabled children being killed at birth, and that to me is like, okay, I don't ever have to worry about ever saying anything bad about you because you already did it.

You are a sack of shit who is fucking worthless.

That's just my opinion on the guy,

right?

But unfortunately,

I wouldn't be surprised if older millennial got a position in the Trump administration because they all

think the same stuff.

Yeah.

Like they, but this is this is how MAGA operates.

It's like one set of rules for me.

and a different set for everybody else.

And that's how the sort of our class structure has been set in this country anyways, right?

Like rich people, rich white people have a different set of rules than the, than the, you know, the poor

people of color.

uh they they don't get the same rights that everybody else does and they this this mega movement was born out of the fact that things were evening not even not even but things were getting closer to equitable and that's why they lost their minds well it's victim blaming it's always victim blaming with them it's no different than the why couldn't you tell the difference between the ice impersonators and real ice because and it's no different than well what was she wearing or this all of it is bullshit it's always victim blaming just comply all of it always

yeah and for for folks who don't know the older millennial and don't want to go on tick tock you can just google joe redden r-e-d-d-e-n i saw somebody that made a flash game out of the thing of of him getting tased well tell tell them what it is chris what's the what if you go to

so his full name is joe redden r-e-d-d-e-n

um and i i wish i knew this this uh this person's name but i believe that the reason that he was found because he had been on the run because he had violated uh parole for his dui or perhaps multiple dui multiple there there was a woman who her name was bunny

her hand was bunny i think it's bunny so there was a woman who we went after and she had

professionally done very similar work to what i do like intelligence gathering and she she does that work specifically for law law enforcement for people who skip bail so so for a guy

stupid idea for a guy who skips bail is like oh i'm gonna pick on this this totally random woman not like a big creator not a public person right he went after her personally and she was getting like debt threats and all sorts of stuff and she's like she's like joe my friend

This is what I do professionally.

So she started using things like, like watching his videos and seeing what's in the background and cross-referencing it to find street names and narrowed down to the Airbnb because she saw the outside of the house.

She went through Airbnb and looked for listings in that area, found a matching house and was like, called up the local PD and was like, hey, that guy who skipped bail, I know exactly where he is.

And as cops do, they, you know, paid him a visit at 2 a.m.

when it might have been a weekday.

I'm not certain, but I think he was pissed drunk at 2 a.m.

on a weekday.

He attempted to run.

See, I used the term piss.

He was pissed drunk.

Yeah, I got it.

I got it.

That was accidental.

Literally.

But it just goes to show, man.

Like

during this show, we have talked about all of these fucking heroic women.

You know, these, whether it's the member of the Texas House or

the creators and activists from Texas

who really drove that

news of this story of a black woman being unlawfully fucking detained by her colleagues, the racist Republicans in Texas, to

the woman bunny, the TikTok creator bunny, who...

investigates people who skip bail for a living, who is doing what I always advocate all the time, imposing real costs on these fucking fascists.

Well, it's just clear that like the rule, old rules don't work anymore.

Like you, you can't take them to the fucking map.

You can't be the bigger person because if you're the biggest, what you can sit on your moral high ground as everything burns.

Like it doesn't, it doesn't work.

So you have to do this.

It's the same with like.

We all support what Gavin Newsom's doing in California, not because we like gerrymandering, because we don't.

And I think we all.

Because we like Gavin Newsome, because I don't.

Well, right.

I mean, like, he's had some stuff, you know, but, but, you know,

it's time to fight fire with fire because, like, sitting on your moral high ground and never being able to recapture the House of Representatives doesn't do any good for anybody.

No.

So, yeah, we're in this.

We'd prefer it to be an independent commission that did these fairly, which

isn't going to happen.

That's what I think that could have happened if you didn't have a fucking idiot.

Yeah, but this is this, they are a lawless administration, and the people that support them don't give a shit about the Constitution.

They don't give a shit about the Bill of Rights.

They just care about power.

That's it.

And Democrats are

sort of starting to wake up to that, I think.

Yeah.

Oh,

could we talk about the Senate candidate in Maine?

Yeah, let's do it.

Dude, so

Tim, do you remember his name?

I feel like a dummy

trying to bring him up.

I'll find you in a second.

So

there's a combat veteran who just announced his candidacy.

I think yesterday.

It's at least the first I saw it was yesterday, two days ago, if you're listening to this while this episode is fresh.

He's an oyster farmer.

And this guy's video, you know, the intro videos for Democrats are always very high production and they're often very fucking impressive.

But this guy, you know, calls what is happening in Gaza a genocide.

This guy says, you know, the enemy isn't left or right.

The enemy is the oligarchy.

This type of progressive populism is exactly the kind of thing that not Democrats, not progressive, that Americans have been clamoring for.

The idea, I mean, Donald Trump's whole thing, drain the swamp.

Idiots believe that.

They're like, oh, yeah, this billionaire whose

corruption is part of his fucking DNA and always had been before he was involved in politics.

He's going to drain the swamp.

People who are naming the oligarchy

in their first campaign act that is somebody who i want to see in the senate i want to see people in the senate who uh who are not going to treat mark zuckerberg like a special little fucking he's not a pound who gets you know who who gets to fucking you know uh reshape country by letting guys like steve bannon get access to every uh every American so that they can try and manipulate our reality into

this fear-based fucking clickbait bullshit.

So his name is Graham Plattner, and he is an oyster farmer in Maine.

And, you know, a lot of people think of lobster.

And I'm from Maine,

which I've said a million times, so probably everyone knows.

He's a maner.

He is a mana.

And, you know, people think of lobstering in Maine, but oyster farming is also

a big industry there.

And he looks like a Mainer.

And I think that's really important.

He is the salt of the earth guy, like you said, like Susan Collins has not faced somebody like this before.

And I actually think, you know, depending on how it goes, as you know, we just see one video, but I think somebody like that could give her a run for money because people could see themselves in, like, I just look at this and I'm like, yep, I've got a bunch of friends who look exactly like that.

And I think that matters.

And Susan Collins is a creature of DC.

She's been there since the 90s.

She's already violated her pledge to only serve two terms.

And she is the fakest moderate.

I know.

Well, she's also just like the bigger lie is that she's a moderate.

And I think that Maine loves independent people.

So she has done this very smartly.

But the reality is she's never the, she's never the deciding vote on anything that she votes against Republicans.

And that's because she's got a deal with McConnell and Thune and all these guys.

It's basically like, let me vote no when we've got the votes.

Now, because so that she can run back and go, I didn't vote.

I didn't support this.

I didn't vote for the the BBB.

But like, she, if it came down to it and it was a 50-50, she would have.

And I think somebody like this, like Sarah Gideon, who ran before, I'll be perfectly honest, she had a horrible campaign.

She raised a ton of money and then she didn't spend it all.

And she,

it was bad.

And I think somebody like this could be the anecdote.

And it also could be a signal to other Democrats.

These are the types of Democrats people want.

And this is a way to turn the page on sort of this, Democrats are weak and feckless and all this stuff.

It's like, no, like that guy, veteran, works with his hands all day long.

He knows more about what Maine means than Susan Collins.

Hey, so you want to talk about somebody else that's feckless?

Let's do it.

Wait, are we are we ready for

luck and transition?

I thought I was probably

ladies and gentlemen.

I know.

I should have just let you do it.

Now I'm going to do this horrible intro.

Ladies and gentlemen, it is time for everybody's favorite segment on the Find Out podcast.

It's time for Get Fucked, presented by Luke.

So, you know, I've been thinking about this this whole episode when we recorded with the Congressman.

And now, unfortunately, I, you know, but I was thinking about it.

I'm pretty sure that Mike Johnson is the only fucking person on the planet that somehow evolved without a spine.

I mean, he can stand perfectly fine somehow, but

he fucking rolls over at every possible turn.

And at the same time, preaches him.

Oh, the fucking preaching.

I don't, oh, oh, we passed the big beautiful bill where we're going to cut fucking Medicaid and health assistance for so many people.

Oh, and food assistance for veterans and kids.

Nah, fuck them.

We're going to pray afterward.

You know, I think that was in the Bible, right?

The, you know, take from the poor and the needy and give it to the rich because it's theirs.

I'm pretty sure I remember that line.

And at the same time, he demonizes every fucking LGBTQ person on the planet while at the same time being in a fucking pledge with his son to

manage what kind of porn each other watches.

That's the kind of fucking person we're talking about.

They have an app that tells each other what porn they're watching because they're each other's accountability partners.

You tell me that that's not a fucking freak show thing to do.

I'll tell you that it is.

So get fucked, Mike Johnson.

I hate it.

It is so fucking weird, dude.

Like I have, I have been studying like QAnon since the beginning, since before it was before it was q anon when in the pizzagate era right when there were these conspiracy theories about hillary clinton like drinking children's blood in a fucking basement that didn't exist in a in a pizza place right

to see the party who is so obsessed with the idea that everybody's a pedo being like you i have no problem with the speaker of the house

sharing his porn habits

exactly Oh, sorry.

So it's a problem that a trans person reads a fucking children's book, two children.

But when Mike Johnson tells his son that he's watching this kind of fucking porn, it's fine.

No, that's fucking freaky.

And the fact that you can't see that makes me fucking hate you because that tells me that it doesn't have diddly fuck to do with kids being exposed to things they shouldn't be exposed to.

And it has to do with fucking bigotry.

That's all it is.

Yeah.

I mean, let me fit this into a tweet.

Mike Johnson shares with his kid what kind of porn he watches.

Exactly.

That is fucking crazy.

That is fucking crazy.

And it's common knowledge and nobody seems to care.

Well,

go back to the first segment in the show.

Like a lot of Congressman Field's constituents, if the Supreme Court overturns the district, are going to be in Mike Johnson's district, but in a small enough number that he never has to listen to them.

And it is just completely outrageous that this right-wing, you know,

culture warrior has any power, let alone being Speaker of the House.

And, you know, the whole praying after you cut a trillion dollars from Medicaid.

I think that that is probably a good note to end on for today.

I want to thank everybody for listening and thank you to the congressman for joining us on short notice.

It hasn't even been 24 hours since we put that together, so it's pretty awesome.

And everybody, please go support him at CleoFields.com.

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